Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 492 ｜ Busting Border Propaganda ｜ Guest： Rep. Chip Roy

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day so

00:00:14.960 far. So today we're going to talk about everything that's going on at the border. Congressman

00:00:18.620 Chip Roy of Texas is going to tell us all of the facts that are going on there. We're

00:00:23.340 going to bust some myths and then we'll spend the second part of the podcast talking about

00:00:27.760 the theology of all of this and how I think we can approach this biblically. So without

00:00:32.120 further ado, here is Congressman Chip Roy. Congressman Roy, thank you so much for joining

00:00:41.300 us again, talking about this subject again. Can you just paint a picture for us? What's

00:00:46.380 going on at the border right now? Why is it different than what has gone on in the border

00:00:51.840 in the past, say, under the Trump administration? Well, right now the southwest border in Texas

00:00:59.180 to Mexico is about as bad as I've ever seen it and it's getting worse by the day. And

00:01:04.060 you know, a lot of folks think this is something that you, you know, some far away issue. But

00:01:08.520 let's be very clear, this is an issue that's affecting every single American in one way

00:01:11.840 or the other. We've had about 1.4 million, okay, I want to say that number again, 1.4 million

00:01:17.580 apprehensions over the last year. These are record numbers. We had 208,000 in August. We

00:01:23.940 had 212,000 in July. That was prior to the recent crisis with respect to the Haitian refugees.

00:01:31.920 And the fact is those numbers, of course, don't tell the whole story. Of those 1.4 million,

00:01:37.320 which by the way is the population of Dallas, about 500,000 or so, give or take, have been

00:01:43.000 released. It depends on what numbers you look at. And several hundred thousand are known gotaways

00:01:48.500 that we've seen when we see camera footage and intel. And so we know there's somewhere around

00:01:53.480 800,000-ish people that are now in the United States that have not been removed, that were not here

00:01:59.320 at the beginning of this year because of the policies of the Biden administration, which are

00:02:03.660 very specific and purposeful, okay? The Biden administration is refusing to do the things

00:02:09.400 the Trump administration was doing to ensure that we could secure the border, specifically

00:02:14.180 the return to Mexico policies and program that they worked out with Mexico through pressure with

00:02:21.000 tariffs and trade. And we just had a federal judge say to the Biden administration, well, you're not

00:02:26.620 doing this and you really should be doing this under our current law. And then secondly, what we call

00:02:32.780 Title 42, which are health court, health code laws, health code provisions that allow us to stop

00:02:38.960 people at the border to protect the citizenry when you have pandemics or communicable diseases.

00:02:44.000 Clearly, we have that situation now. But the Biden administration has been refusing to apply it.

00:02:49.200 Now you've got a federal judge that's saying you can't apply it to family units, which means the

00:02:53.780 numbers are actually going to get worse if Congress doesn't act now to be very clear that we should

00:03:00.640 apply Title 42 at the border. Now, what does all this mean in simple speak? Lots of danger for the

00:03:06.080 American people. Narcotics, fentanyl flowing into our communities. 92,000 opioid deaths in the last

00:03:12.640 year. And I want to put that in perspective. When we were freaking out about cocaine in the 1980s,

00:03:17.620 we had about 10,000 people dying a year. We're now close to 100,000 people dying a year.

00:03:23.500 Fentanyl is killing American young adults and young children. Why? Because they're taking drugs they

00:03:30.420 think are something else and it's laced with fentanyl and they're dying. This is because of the power

00:03:35.540 the cartels at the border and what Joe Biden is doing or refusing to do under his constitutional

00:03:40.740 duty to secure the border. And you also said you shared a long Twitter thread about everything

00:03:47.140 that's going on and some of the consequences that you just alluded to. One of the things that you

00:03:51.420 said that the Biden administration is refusing to do is devote necessary resources to the Border Patrol

00:03:57.500 and to ICE and also refusing to designate cartels as terrorist organizations. Why do you think

00:04:03.960 they're refusing to do that? And what help do you think that it would do if they did?

00:04:09.160 Well, what you have on our border are very dangerous cartels. And a lot of people sort of put this on

00:04:14.620 a shelf like they're watching some HBO documentary about El Chapo or something. This is real. We now have

00:04:20.640 the cartel Jalisco New Generation, which is merged with the Reynosa faction of the Gulf cartel and the

00:04:25.800 cartel del Noreste and Los Zetas in Nuevo Laredo. Now, why does that matter? Because these are very

00:04:30.560 dangerous cartels. They bury human beings alive. They light them on fire. They put them into boiling

00:04:36.420 oil. They hang them on bridges. They lock them into bars and light them on fire. And now we just

00:04:42.500 had, in fact, a cartel individual who was apprehended in the United States having killed

00:04:48.100 an individual in America. They're now reaching up into the United States. They move human beings and

00:04:53.160 narcotics for hundreds of millions of dollars of profit. We stopped an automobile in Bernie, Texas,

00:04:58.080 a suburb of San Antonio. Let me be clear. In a suburb of San Antonio, we stopped a car with nine 0.99

00:05:04.460 people in it. It was driven by an individual who was an American citizen who was employed by the cartel

00:05:09.360 del Noreste, who was moving these people to put them into a stash house in Houston to put them into the

00:05:14.360 sex trafficking trade. This happens on a daily basis. And the cartels should be designated as

00:05:20.240 terrorist organizations so that we can target them, so we can go after people who provide material

00:05:24.840 support to them. They are as dangerous in many respects as the Taliban. And the two things that 0.83

00:05:30.180 are common between those two entities, the United States refuses to acknowledge either of them as

00:05:35.020 the terrorist organizations that they are. And you believe that the Biden administration's policy,

00:05:40.360 some of which you have just listed, is actually kind of incentivizing or at least enabling

00:05:45.120 this kind of behavior, making this kind of behavior easier, correct?

00:05:50.120 No, that's exactly right. And people need to understand there's a direct consequence to the

00:05:55.660 Biden administration and their lack of action. The Biden administration could be using Title 42 that

00:06:00.800 I described before with respect to COVID. They could be using the Return to Mexico program.

00:06:05.700 They could be providing more resources to supplement Border Patrol. And they could be taking more

00:06:10.840 overt and specific action to turn people away and then return them to where they come from. Now,

00:06:16.160 why does that matter? Because, and this is important as a Christian and as people who want to care for

00:06:21.380 individuals. Let me pause for a second. I met with a bunch of ranchers in South Texas, okay?

00:06:26.440 And their fences are getting cut. And their families are getting endangered. And their livestock is

00:06:31.100 getting out. And they are finding dead bodies of migrants on their ranches. 89 dead migrants in Brooks

00:06:37.640 County. 75 or more dead bodies in the Del Rio sector. Hundreds all along South Texas. These ranchers find them

00:06:45.540 dying or they're dehydrated in the process of dying. And they call 911 to try to help them. Because as

00:06:52.440 Christians and as human beings, you want to help people. Migrants are getting hurt, okay? Migrants 1.00

00:06:58.280 are dying. Migrants are getting put into the sex trafficking trade. Migrants are getting put into the 0.99

00:07:03.360 slave labor trade. Cartels are making tons of money. I sat down with a woman who runs safe houses for 1.00

00:07:09.100 these folks that are abused by cartels. And she showed me graphic pictures of little girls with 0.73

00:07:14.900 brands and burns on their bodies that were horrific. And videos where you see cartel members threatening

00:07:20.920 little girls and people. And now to have the Biden administration refuse to take the steps to stem

00:07:26.400 the tide, hold the line so that it would protect the migrants and protect Americans who are dying from 0.99

00:07:33.120 fentanyl, whose property are getting destroyed, who are having massive numbers of people come to the

00:07:37.760 United States, take jobs, fill hospitals, fill schools, all of the negative consequences of

00:07:42.540 all of that. And the Biden administration could stop it. They just would take the steps necessary to

00:07:47.560 do so. They refuse to do it.

00:07:58.220 I think we've all seen at least one video or image of a child that has been abandoned on the American side

00:08:06.660 of the border. There was a photo that I saw just the other day of a four-year-old and what looked

00:08:12.360 like about a three-month-old infant that had been abandoned there. Thankfully, Border Patrol found them

00:08:17.840 and got them to safety. There was another video that I saw the other day of this group of men. There

00:08:24.820 were no women, men and little kids who seemed to be knocked out with some kind of medication.

00:08:32.560 The Border Patrol had flashlights flashing in their eyes and the little kids, they weren't responding,

00:08:38.500 they weren't waking up. And so we don't know exactly what was going on there, but it's obvious

00:08:43.440 that this kind of incentivizing of illegal activity and illegal crossing is hurting the most vulnerable.

00:08:52.700 It's hurting not just the people at the border, but it's also hurting, like you said,

00:08:57.800 the little kids that are being trafficked for profit. And then what we're seeing is the same

00:09:05.460 Border Patrol agents who are the only lifeline for some of these kids, the only help that some of

00:09:11.800 these kids have, the only salvation that these kids are having from sex trafficking are now being

00:09:19.560 demonized by a media that is lying about, quote, whipping Haitian migrants. I want to play,

00:09:28.060 or I don't know if it's pictures or video. I think it's pictures that we have. I want to put up some

00:09:32.140 pictures that we have seen of Border Patrol agents that are going around. So this is one of the pictures

00:09:39.280 that's going around where people are saying, I saw Sean King, for example, share on social media that

00:09:45.260 this is a Border Patrol agent whipping this person. And then there was, that was the one picture that

00:09:53.020 was going around the most, that people were saying that this is a Border Patrol agent whipping this

00:09:58.640 migrant. Joy Reid said, what is this, 1851? There were multiple, you know, blue check journalists

00:10:05.580 saying, wow, this is, you know, like the slave patrol. That's not at all what's happening here.

00:10:11.200 And I would love for you to explain what you see happening. But as far as I understand,

00:10:14.920 these are just split reins. These are horse reins. There's no whipping going on whatsoever.

00:10:20.380 These are Haitian migrants that I guess are trying to cross illegally. And people are up in arms about

00:10:26.380 this saying that, you know, somehow this is racist. Yeah, I appreciate you showing those pictures

00:10:32.320 and highlighting this issue. I mean, pretty much anybody who's not a completely stupid Yankee who has 0.94

00:10:36.660 no idea what's going on in Texas would have an understanding of what's actually going on, 0.99

00:10:40.760 where you've got Border Patrol, by the way, who are significantly Hispanic. Okay. Border Patrol is

00:10:46.480 about 70% Hispanic. I would invite any of these crazy leftists, okay, to come sit down and for a 0.99

00:10:52.200 day and go sit down with Border Patrol along the border and allow me to get just a little fired 0.97

00:10:56.440 up here for a second. When I'm watching Texans, okay, Texans get hurt. And I watch migrants get hurt. 0.99

00:11:02.960 And I watch these leftists sitting in their studios in New York City, and they pat themselves on the back

00:11:07.580 for their compassion. And they sit there trying to preach to us about what they would do to secure

00:11:12.820 the border. But they don't care about the little girl getting raped. They don't care about the 0.99

00:11:16.580 little girl getting sold into the sex trafficking trade. Where are they when this is what is

00:11:21.620 happening when cartels have them under their thumb and are making them pay ransom because they're in a

00:11:26.080 stash house in a basement in Houston, Texas, or in Del Rio, Texas, because these people have no idea

00:11:31.600 because they sit in their studios and they pontificate and they try to play the race card.

00:11:35.860 And they try to use that to divide us and to try to make everything about that instead of what's

00:11:40.740 actually happening at the border, endangering human beings. I can't for the life of me understand

00:11:45.700 why we're allowing this to happen. And I want to know with all due respect to the leaders in our

00:11:51.080 country, where are the men? Where are actual honest to God men who will stand up and say,

00:11:58.300 we need to secure our country and protect the vulnerable? And by the way, how about not draft

00:12:02.800 our daughters? Maybe a subject for another day or for later. But where are the men in this country

00:12:07.440 to stand up and to make sure that we protect our country, protect our communities, and stand up to

00:12:12.860 protect migrants and people getting abused and not allow all these wailing and gnashing of teeth of

00:12:17.920 these leftists sitting comfortably in their studios, drinking their lattes, and going around having

00:12:22.140 people serve them while they wear masks and feel good about themselves.

00:12:25.080 Yeah, you're absolutely right. We do want to talk about on another day, the drafting of the

00:12:29.580 daughters, because I do think that that indicates where we are as a country culturally, even morally,

00:12:36.000 I would say. And it does kind of speak to the subject that we're talking about, though,

00:12:39.920 because we are a country, we're no longer a serious country. We're not a country that is

00:12:44.120 concerned with security and safety and actually wise policy. We're a country who is,

00:12:49.860 it seems like bent on its own destruction, bent on its own weakness, not just when it comes to border

00:12:57.400 policy, but when it comes to foreign policy as well. And you said a word earlier in your first

00:13:04.000 answer to the question that I asked that was very disturbing. You said purposeful. You said you

00:13:09.100 believe that the Biden administration is purposeful in its refusal to do its job and protect our border.

00:13:16.620 But you just described a whole lot of destruction, not just for the citizens of this country,

00:13:21.440 but also for the migrants that, of course, the Biden administration and the Democratic Party

00:13:25.560 says that they care about a lot. Why do you believe that this is purposeful?

00:13:30.580 Well, there's no other way to characterize when you have a policy that was working and holding

00:13:35.300 a flow to roughly 20,000 a month, right? Somewhere around 240,000 in the year last year,

00:13:41.200 compared to today where we've now had over 1.4 million and we don't have September numbers yet.

00:13:47.060 There's no other way to characterize the choice, okay, the choice by the president and Secretary

00:13:54.440 Mayorkas, and I assume supposed borders are Kamala Harris, to choose not to enforce Title 42 and to 0.91

00:14:02.920 choose not to use the migrant protection protocols to ensure that we can return to Mexico to stem the 1.00

00:14:09.560 tide. Instead, they changed those policies. They stopped fully using Title 42. They're essentially

00:14:16.200 going to acquiesce to judges on that front and leave our border wide open. There's no other way

00:14:21.320 to interpret it other than purposeful. I believe that it's very much driven by politics, very much

00:14:26.620 driven by their desire to say that it is only Democrats who can say that they're compassionate

00:14:31.640 to brown people. That's what this is about, okay? This is about Democrats saying we are the ones

00:14:37.740 who care for brown people, okay? But go down to Laredo and go sit around the table like I have 1.00

00:14:44.380 with, you know, people with Mexican heritage, with Hispanics in Laredo, who are, frankly,

00:14:50.640 traditional Democrat voters who are moving hard to the Republican side because they're saying our

00:14:55.240 communities are under assault. When I stood down there with a county judge in Webb County in Laredo

00:15:00.400 with Senator Cruz two weeks ago, and I said, where is Joe Biden? And then he stood up and he said,

00:15:05.800 yes, the congressman is right. Where is Joe Biden? Where is this administration? Why our families

00:15:11.620 are struggling and why our communities are under assault? What in Zapata County, which went for a

00:15:17.860 Republican president for the first time since 1920, the mayor of McAllen is now a Republican.

00:15:23.740 We are seeing a trend in the Rio Grande Valley. So I think Democrats are doing this at their peril,

00:15:28.780 but I still believe they think that they can win this narrative by doing what they did yesterday,

00:15:33.340 showing horse rain, rains on a horse as whipping because they want to try to divide us by race.

00:15:39.680 Yep. They're so separated from the issue. I have a lot of people who listen to me who are either

00:15:45.580 they're married to Border Patrol agents, which, like you said, the majority of them are Hispanic. And so

00:15:50.160 a lot of these are Hispanic followers. I have a lot of people who listen to this podcast who live at the

00:15:54.660 border. And then I've got a lot of people who listen to this podcast whose family is from Mexico and

00:15:58.900 still has family that lives in Mexico. And they can tell you, especially if that family lives along 0.54

00:16:03.600 the border, how horrific it is, how the family there in Mexico, they're not saying this because 0.60

00:16:08.020 of politics, but they know that it is an absolute clown show to use a nice word to describe it down 0.94

00:16:16.820 there. It is dangerous. It is reckless. And again, these people who are living at the border,

00:16:21.080 both in Mexico and in Texas, aren't your, you know, they're not your right wing, anti-immigrant

00:16:30.020 evangelicals that the left likes to think that they are. They're people that are actually seeing

00:16:34.740 their livelihoods and their lives put at risk because of an administration that refuses to do

00:16:40.580 its job. And you meant, oh, go ahead, go ahead. Then I want to get your reaction to something.

00:16:45.420 Yeah. I want to add one thing that 100%, everything you just said is exactly right. And one other thing

00:16:49.700 you just triggered in my head that a lot of people don't know about is the extent to which we are now

00:16:54.520 allowing Mexico to get worse, to fall into a narco-terrorist state and the Northern Triangle, 0.74

00:17:00.680 Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Central America, to become worse because of brain drain, because of

00:17:06.060 labor drain. The first lady of, I think it was Honduras, I can't remember which country, who came 0.98

00:17:11.080 to the United States last year and was saying, you're hurting our country with open borders and we need

00:17:15.660 to stop it. And here's why that matters for your listeners. China is exploiting that. China is 0.81

00:17:21.880 exploiting Mexico to send fentanyl to kill your kids. China is using the breakdown in the Western 0.99

00:17:28.580 Hemisphere and the lack of leadership by our country to exploit that for their own gain. 0.92

00:17:33.480 So rather than our country working with the rest of the countries in the Western Hemisphere to build an

00:17:38.300 alliance of strong economic activity with a strong rule of law to combat China, we're giving China an 1.00

00:17:44.480 avenue into harming us. That's what's going on right now, not to change the subject, because it's

00:17:49.180 all related. Yeah, definitely working with these guys. Definitely. I think it's important for people

00:17:54.380 to see that, that that's kind of how it it fits into the bigger picture, at least one part of the

00:18:01.360 bigger picture. This does weaken America, it weakens other parts of the world, and it makes the world 0.72

00:18:06.320 worse. A weak America is bad for the world. A strong China is bad for the world, as we are seeing. 0.99

00:18:11.960 Now, going back to what you were talking about, about, you know, liberals in their in their studios

00:18:19.080 and tweeting and kind of being separated from this subject, we've got some of your fellow members

00:18:25.200 of Congress that are, of course, tweeting about this, one of them being AOC. Now, people might

00:18:30.680 remember that a couple of years ago, AOC and some of her friends had a photo op, a photo shoot down at

00:18:40.160 the border, dressed in all white, holding on to some chain-linked fence and pretending to cry about

00:18:45.120 what was going on at the border. I don't even know, really, what in the world she was trying to do.

00:18:50.240 For the past few months, she's said basically nothing about what's going on at the border.

00:18:55.220 This humanitarian crisis that we're seeing has been raging since Joe Biden took office. This hasn't

00:19:01.140 just happened in the last couple of days. And the first time, at least since June, if not before that,

00:19:06.320 that she's talked about anything happening at the border, the so-called kids in cages,

00:19:11.100 the separation of families, which has still been happening, by the way. She tweets this yesterday.

00:19:16.880 It doesn't matter if a Democrat or Republican is president. Our immigration system is designed

00:19:20.400 for cruelty and dehumanization of immigrants. Immigration should not be a crime. So I would say

00:19:26.220 she's saying open borders and its criminalization is a relatively recent invention. What? This is a stain

00:19:33.600 on our country. And this is her retweeting that misleading picture of what she, I guess, assumes

00:19:42.180 is a Border Patrol agent whipping a person, which he's not at all. What's your reaction to that?

00:19:50.280 Well, I can only hope that my colleague from New York maybe sold off her dress to pay for her 0.87

00:19:55.840 Abuelita's house. Yes. Oh, let's hope so. Poor Abuelita. I mean, look, AOC, colleague, I work with

00:20:05.120 her. But let's just be honest, right? She was flat out lying for with hyperbole in order to stir people

00:20:13.520 up two years ago when she said kids in cages. Okay. These were structures set up by the previous

00:20:20.340 administration, the Obama-Biden administration, in order to create a facility when you had large

00:20:26.160 numbers of people coming. Now, by the way, then-Secretary Jay Johnson was lamenting a thousand

00:20:31.540 people a month at the time when they set these facilities up with the chain link barriers in

00:20:36.540 order to have airflow and to make sure that you could watch people and separate kids from

00:20:40.700 adults. And not just family adults. You don't know if it's their family. Okay. You want to keep

00:20:45.700 them safe? You got a baby on your doorstep. What do you do? So, fine. Now, we have 7,000 people

00:20:52.800 coming every single day, right? I mean, it's absolutely extraordinary. And so, AOC was lying

00:20:59.420 then. Now, she ignores the fact that there are people piling up into these facilities. Won't say

00:21:04.860 anything about that. She went down to the border, you remember, and tried about kids drinking out of

00:21:09.240 toilets, which was a lie. I sent my chief and staff down there the very next day. We went to the

00:21:13.080 facility. They were the same kind of structures that we have in all of our holding facilities,

00:21:17.020 where the toilet is connected to a water fountain. You're not drinking out of a toilet. She knows

00:21:21.760 that. She was lying. When she took that photo op wearing her white outfit, of course, didn't have

00:21:26.200 any red lettering on it then. Her white outfit, when she was down there, there was nobody across the

00:21:31.520 fence. Everybody there knows. It was a total fake photo op. It was all marketing. So, now, she's nowhere

00:21:37.680 to be seen in terms of actually trying to solve the problem. But then she'll make these grand

00:21:43.180 statements about, well, any kind of an immigration is correct. It's nonsense. A sovereign nation 0.99

00:21:48.460 requires having a secure border for the good of its citizens and the citizens or the individuals

00:21:54.160 who seek to come here. We allow over a million people a year to come in legally. But you cannot

00:22:01.500 have a wide open border, particularly in a post-9-11 world, and particularly when you have a social

00:22:06.300 welfare state, and particularly when you have a pandemic. You just can't do it. It's irresponsible.

00:22:11.700 She would know that if she weren't pandering, trying to build up her socialist utopia,

00:22:17.100 while she'll destroy jobs, drive people into energy poverty, spend money we don't have, 1.00

00:22:21.580 and leave our borders completely defenseless. Yep. Yep. And of course, no surprise, Ilhan Omar,

00:22:26.400 Joy Reid all said the same thing. I have one more question to ask you. I want to play a quick clip

00:22:32.860 of what's happening in what's called or under which the international bridge, I think it's called,

00:22:41.180 on the border where there's like 10,000 Haitian migrants. I want to show people what that looks

00:22:46.580 like. Okay, so what's going on? Why are there, I think it's a little over 12,000 Haitian migrants.

00:23:00.760 How did they get here? Who helped them get here? Why are they here? What's going on?

00:23:07.140 Well, best I can tell, and I've got a pretty good number of sources that I speak to on a regular

00:23:10.760 basis. Jason Jones is a great guy. If you don't follow him, y'all should. Todd Benzman is a great

00:23:17.280 follow. Todd went down and did some undercover research on all of this. And at the end of the

00:23:22.220 day, what we understand is that the Haitians had moved to and through Central America and or

00:23:28.400 Southern Mexico. They had been aggregating in Southern Mexico for some period of time.

00:23:33.780 They were held there and the Mexican government was prohibiting them from flowing up. And then

00:23:38.540 magically on September 12th, all of a sudden those floodgates opened. Mexico decided we're going to

00:23:43.400 let them go. And that's what then caused this migration from Southern Mexico up to Del Rio. So

00:23:49.980 that's how a large number of Haitians ended up. They've been aggregating over time in Southern

00:23:55.280 Mexico. And then they came up to Del Rio. Now we have 12,000 across the river. And once they've

00:24:00.580 crossed the river, now they're trying to claim asylum status and they've got to go through all

00:24:04.400 the procedures of asylum status. If we don't apply Title 42 and return to Mexico, as the Trump

00:24:10.700 administration was doing, say, no, you can't do that. You can apply for asylum, but you're not going

00:24:16.460 to come here, get released. And we hope you return for your hearing. And so that's what we should be

00:24:22.840 doing. But now we've got 10 or 12,000 there. The Biden administration, to some tiny degree of

00:24:28.400 credit, is taking some of these migrants and putting them on an airplane and flying them back 1.00

00:24:33.060 to Haiti. Now that's causing some of the Haitians to go back to Mexico because they're, oh, I don't 1.00

00:24:39.120 want to go back to Haiti. So that's causing at least some pressure. But let's be honest, DPS,

00:24:44.080 the Texas Department of Public Safety, has more people in Del Rio right now than Border Patrol

00:24:49.420 because we appropriated Texans $3 billion. And we have the DPS, Department of Public Safety,

00:24:56.700 going down and doing the job of the federal government to try to secure our communities.

00:25:01.440 And frankly, I think they should be applauded for it. Governor Abbott, the head of DPS, Steve

00:25:06.220 McGraw, the whole team. I know them all well. We're going to probably have to go more, do further.

00:25:11.660 We're probably going to need Texans to step up even more because it's our communities that are on the

00:25:15.220 front lines. That's what's happening. And we've got to do something about it and give the

00:25:19.040 Border Patrol the help they need. They are retiring. They are leaving. Their morale is low. They're not

00:25:24.020 supported by this administration. Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Congressman. I really appreciate

00:25:28.500 you taking the time out of your busy schedule to talk to us. I know a lot of people are going to

00:25:33.680 benefit from this conversation. So thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks for what you do and look

00:25:38.560 forward to coming on again. God bless. Thanks.

00:25:48.340 Okay. So we kind of got the facts of everything that's going on. There's a lot more that we could

00:25:54.040 talk about. There are so many numbers that we could go through, unaccompanied minors,

00:25:59.300 the numbers for fentanyl and trafficking and all of that stuff. But I think that the congressman

00:26:06.360 gave you a really good picture and a lot of a lot of good material to kind of sift through and trying

00:26:13.400 to understand really what's going on. And the facts really do matter. Unfortunately, what I anticipate

00:26:19.960 is that there will be people, many of whom will be professing Christians who have not said anything

00:26:26.320 about Biden pushing for, say, taxpayer funded abortion or his commitment to dismantling the Texas

00:26:33.700 abortion law, his insistence upon boys and men being able to access female spaces in the name

00:26:41.000 of like gender equity or something, his deadly negligence and callousness in Afghanistan, his 0.89

00:26:46.300 ineffective and at times cruel COVID policy. And you haven't said anything about this crisis at the

00:26:52.140 border that's been raging over the past few months that has led to all kinds of atrocities.

00:26:57.060 Now, I anticipate because there's a new narrative to latch on to, they're going to speak up. And so

00:27:02.640 they're going to see this picture decontextualized, an angle that looks like something is happening,

00:27:10.280 that when you look at the other angle is not actually happening. We'll see them posting about

00:27:15.760 border patrol under the direction of a Republican governor whipping black refugees when that is not 0.97

00:27:24.860 true. But it won't matter. They'll post, you know, Exodus 22, 21, which says that you shouldn't 0.96

00:27:30.900 oppress the foreigner. They'll say explicitly or implicitly how terrible and unjust America is and

00:27:38.080 how racist America and the Republican Party are. So we've already gone over the fact about what's

00:27:44.800 really going on at the border. But let's talk big theological biblical picture here. A country has the

00:27:52.200 right to protect its borders. To be a country, you must have borders. Borders give a country sovereignty,

00:27:58.820 the ability to have and enforce its own laws to protect the rights and safety of its people.

00:28:04.800 Every single country on earth has that right. Not just the United States, every country.

00:28:09.840 It is very difficult to, and I don't think most people know this, but it is very difficult to

00:28:13.980 legally immigrate and become a citizen of most countries. I was talking to a friend who immigrated

00:28:18.800 from Zimbabwe and she was telling me, you know, no one wants to move to Zimbabwe, but it's actually

00:28:23.440 very difficult to immigrate there, to become a citizen there. That is true of most countries,

00:28:28.820 even the countries that you'd think would want new people, like poor countries. America is one of 0.99

00:28:35.480 the easiest countries to illegally immigrate to and then stay illegally and receive all kinds of

00:28:41.420 benefits paid for by the taxpayer. That does not happen in most countries. And you want to know who

00:28:46.240 typically is angriest about that. Like if you talk to, um, a legal immigrant and I'm not speaking for 1.00

00:28:53.020 all legal immigrants, of course, but a lot of the legal immigrants that I know, those of you who

00:28:57.860 follow me have told me in much harsher terms that I've heard from, uh, non-immigrants in this country

00:29:05.480 say how angry it makes you when someone curtails the legal process, uh, to try to just cross the border

00:29:11.660 and come here illegally. Every country, every country has a right to enforce its borders, to maintain 0.95

00:29:17.100 order at the border, to deport illegal immigrants and to disincentivize illegal immigration, whether

00:29:23.040 it's Nigeria or Japan, Hungary, the United States, it doesn't matter. Every single country can do this.

00:29:29.360 And in my opinion, should do this because doing so protects the nation's sovereignty, protects the

00:29:34.980 rights, the safety, the prosperity, the culture of its own people, the people, a government has the

00:29:41.120 responsibility to protect. And before anyone gets upset, uh, by this word culture, there is not

00:29:48.980 anything racial in that. I think that we've been made to believe, you know, by people who for some

00:29:54.100 reason see the world as racially black and white, that that word culture is somehow racialized or,

00:30:00.880 or racist, but it's not. And that's not what I mean at all. What I mean is that American culture is

00:30:05.660 different than British culture. It's different than Australian culture. It's different than Bosnian 1.00

00:30:09.580 culture. It's different than Mexican culture. It is good to love your country and your country's

00:30:14.120 characteristics, your country's values, your foundational principles, your, your, your culture

00:30:19.820 and, and the people that you share those things with. This is not racial, especially in the United

00:30:25.100 States. I have more in common with, uh, for example, a Hispanic American than I do, for example,

00:30:30.860 white Bulgarian. And I care about America and I care more about the wellbeing of America more than I do 0.72

00:30:38.040 the wellbeing of say Bulgaria. That doesn't mean that I don't love the people of Bulgaria or that

00:30:44.760 I don't think that they're, you know, great people made in the image of God. It doesn't mean that you

00:30:48.100 don't love people from other countries or that you don't appreciate their cultures. But what I am

00:30:54.820 saying is that it is okay to love and appreciate your home more than you love and appreciate other

00:31:00.880 people's homes. It's okay to want to protect the borders of your home and maintain its sovereignty

00:31:06.520 and security. In fact, I would argue that is a way to seek the welfare of the nation in which God has

00:31:12.580 purposely and providentially placed you and to love the neighbors next to whom God has placed you.

00:31:19.900 C.S. Lewis, uh, talks about the love of country, the love of place and the culture of your country

00:31:26.360 in his book, The Four Loves. He writes this quote, I think love for one's country means chiefly love for

00:31:32.200 people who have a good deal in common with oneself, language, clothes, institutions. And in that is

00:31:38.040 very like love of one's family or school. And it is good because any natural help towards our spiritual

00:31:44.320 duty of loving is good. And God seems to build our higher loves round our merely natural impulses,

00:31:51.180 sex, maternity, kinship, old acquaintance, et cetera. With this love for place, he says,

00:31:57.540 there goes a love for the way of life, for beer and tea and open fires, trains with compartments in them

00:32:03.780 and an unarmed police force and all the rest of it. Of course, he's not talking about America here

00:32:08.700 and for the local dialect and for our native language. And he then references G.K. Chesterton

00:32:16.260 and says something that I know and totally understand is hard on our modern day Western ears,

00:32:23.560 but would be totally accepted in most parts of the world today and was acknowledged in the West back

00:32:29.800 then. As C.S. Lewis says, as Chesterton says, a man's reasons for not wanting his country to be

00:32:35.520 ruled by foreigners are very like his reasons for not wanting his house to be burned down because he 1.00

00:32:40.740 could not even begin to enumerate all the things he would miss. Now, I'll be honest with you. That quote

00:32:47.720 is hard for me to read. It's hard for me to say because it sounds harsh. And I really don't want

00:32:53.780 it to seem like this is anti-immigrant in any way because it's not in the slightest. Some of the

00:32:59.000 best, hardest working Americans, the most patriotic Americans are immigrants. And it's also not to say

00:33:05.580 Americans are inherently better than people from other countries because I obviously don't believe

00:33:10.260 that. I simply think it is the responsibility of a government to protect its borders, to protect and

00:33:16.800 prioritize the citizens of their country and to maintain that kind of national and cultural

00:33:23.140 coherence. And I believe, again, that every single country in the world has that right and that

00:33:28.500 responsibility. I believe the world is better when governments represent the best interests of their

00:33:34.460 people and when people patriotically love their country and their culture, not in a way that is

00:33:40.120 idolatrous, but in a way that is sane, in a way that is wise, in a way that is grateful to God

00:33:46.540 for, again, purposely and providentially placing us in every nation and every place that he has.

00:33:52.580 So it is okay for a Zimbabwean to love their country, to love their culture, to love their

00:33:57.440 people, and to not want, for example, Nigerians to come in and change those things. It is okay for me 1.00

00:34:03.040 as an American to not want Swedes to come in and try to make America Sweden. I don't want to live in 1.00

00:34:08.580 Sweden. I like America how it is. Well, I mean, there are plenty of things I could change, but I like the

00:34:14.100 values on which America was founded. I like a lot of American culture. I don't want it to become

00:34:20.600 Sweden, and that's okay. I believe God actually created us that way. Every country expects and

00:34:27.460 is okay to expect the people who immigrate there to do so legally, to work hard, and to a certain

00:34:34.000 degree, to varying degrees, assimilate. That doesn't mean not retaining any of their country's

00:34:39.480 culture. America is extremely tolerant of that, and that's what part of it makes it so awesomely

00:34:44.260 unique. But it does mean embracing certain values like hard work, like liberty, like the rule of law

00:34:50.060 here in the United States. America accepts more immigrants every year, by far about a million

00:34:55.340 legal immigrants every year. So anyone who says this is some white supremacist, nationalistic

00:35:00.980 hellscape with too strict border and immigration laws is just wrong. They're uninformed or misinformed

00:35:06.560 about this. We are, at least right now and in some prior administrations, I think way too lax when

00:35:13.360 it comes to illegal immigration. Incentivizing illegal immigration, as we talked about with

00:35:19.280 Congressman Roy, causes the tragedies that we are seeing right now and that we have seen for a long

00:35:25.620 time. Sex and drug trafficking of children, empowerment of the vicious, murderous drug cartels, 0.87

00:35:32.000 huge upticks in crime in Texas and Mexican cities at the border, rampant sexual assault of 0.82

00:35:36.540 women and children traveling from South America into the United States. It causes chaos. And that 1.00

00:35:42.960 chaos is not good for anyone involved. It's not good for the countries that are being left. You heard

00:35:48.140 Congressman Roy say the phrase brain drain. So the people who leave those countries in South America,

00:35:55.380 in Mexico, in places like Haiti, are the people who either have some means to leave or the people who

00:36:01.100 have at least the mental and physical capacity to leave. So that means that the people who are left

00:36:05.200 behind in these countries are the most vulnerable. That's true when it comes to not just illegal

00:36:10.620 immigration, but mass migration in general. Mass migration in general is not good for most people

00:36:17.160 who are involved. It's not good for the people who are making the journey, which is hardest on women

00:36:21.600 and children, children who are often smuggled, trafficked, or abandoned. It may pay off when some of these

00:36:27.720 illegal immigrants come in and the Biden administration is driving them into the interior of the United 1.00

00:36:34.020 States to live here without following the law. But it comes with a lot of risks. It is not good for

00:36:39.680 the United States, who will be paying for the social services for illegal immigrants, who may be

00:36:45.140 economically displaced, and who, especially at the border, suffer the consequences of these crime

00:36:51.120 surges. So without borders, you have no sovereignty or legitimacy as a nation. Without legitimacy, you have

00:36:58.500 no rule of law. Without enforceable laws, you have no rights. Without rights, you have chaos and oppression

00:37:04.400 and anarchy and injustice and corruption. I don't want that for my neighbors. I don't want that for migrants 1.00

00:37:10.100 or for American citizens. We see the idea of nations as natural and good in Scripture. Nowhere do we see

00:37:18.920 God restrict nations or his nation of Israel from protecting their people or their borders. In fact,

00:37:25.160 we see God demand the establishment of the nation of Israel accomplished through battle and conquest.

00:37:32.860 Now, God certainly can't be said to be against advancing the interests of one's own nation. We just don't see

00:37:40.720 biblical support for that argument. God demands in Exodus and Deuteronomy that Israel show kindness to the

00:37:46.360 sojourner, as we so often hear from those who use these verses to say that America should have open

00:37:52.200 borders and accept anyone who wants to come in. But there are a couple of things I want to say to

00:37:57.860 respond to that argument, because I'm sure you've heard it too. Okay, so let me respond to this argument.

00:38:07.320 One, America is not ancient Israel. And this verse that they typically quote is not meant to be the

00:38:14.960 basis of immigration law. And the funny thing is, a lot of people that use this to say, you know,

00:38:20.140 this is what we're supposed to do. We're supposed to have open borders based on this particular verse.

00:38:25.540 Well, they're the same people that call people like me, Christian nationalists, for just quoting the

00:38:31.240 Bible, Psalm 139, when it comes to abortion, or when it comes to different issues, even though I am not

00:38:38.120 saying that the Bible lays the foundation of every single policy in the United States. They think any

00:38:42.920 Christian conservative is a Christian nationalist for quoting the Bible when it comes to particular policy.

00:38:47.640 But they love to decontextualize verses and say, you know, this is the basis for this government

00:38:53.880 program, or this is the basis for open borders. The reality is, is that sojourners in the Bible were more

00:39:00.860 akin to legal immigrants than foreigners, than foreigners were. God calls Israel to be kind to

00:39:07.040 sojourners and for sojourners to assimilate. Now, one example of this is Leviticus 17, 15.

00:39:12.920 And every person who eats what dies of itself, or what is torn by bees, whether he is a native or a

00:39:18.280 sojourner, shall wash his clothes and shall wash his clothes and bathe himself in water and be unclean 0.54

00:39:23.820 until the evening, then he shall be clean. So this is one example. If you're going to look to the Bible,

00:39:30.860 for inspiration for policy, which I'm okay with, even though I am not for living in a theocracy,

00:39:38.780 because we see no biblical precedent for that. But if we want to look to the God who made justice

00:39:43.620 for us to be able to determine what justice looks like here, I'm okay with that. But if you're going

00:39:49.460 to say that a verse saying be kind to sojourners should establish our border policy and our immigration

00:39:56.400 policy, okay, well, then we're going to have to look at everything that God says about the

00:39:59.800 sojourner. And one thing that God says repeatedly when he is giving laws to Israel is that the

00:40:04.200 sojourner, the foreigner, well, really the sojourner more than the foreigner, has to assimilate. 0.57

00:40:09.720 We see distinctions in the Old Testament between Israelites and foreigners. In Leviticus 22, 25,

00:40:18.140 Deuteronomy 14, 21, Deuteronomy 23, 20, Deuteronomy 17, 14 through 15. These are all examples of God

00:40:27.600 drawing distinctions between foreigners and Israelites. So God distinguishes between the 0.96

00:40:33.380 nation of Israel and sojourners and foreigners, and he has a distinct process and guidelines for how

00:40:39.420 these people are to be treated. What we see throughout scripture is that God is not a God of chaos.

00:40:46.120 He's not a God of lawlessness. He's not a God of confusion, but he is a God of order. He is a God

00:40:51.180 of parameters. He is a God of protective limitations and processes, not because he needs the boundaries,

00:40:57.380 but because we do, because I believe he created us that way. And again, this is not saying that

00:41:02.880 America is ancient Israel because I don't believe that. I'm just saying, again, if we're going to 0.97

00:41:08.480 look at a particular verse, let's look at the context. And if we're going to say, okay, this should be

00:41:13.900 the inspiration for American policy when it comes to immigration. Well, again, we need to look at

00:41:18.740 everything that God actually says about the foreigner and the sojourner in the Old Testament.

00:41:24.500 Now, God says that we are not supposed to oppress the sojourner. And there he's talking about a legal

00:41:30.020 immigrant or something more like a legal immigrant in the Old Testament. He is not talking about

00:41:35.100 oppression being protecting the border or enforcing the law. God created nations. They were his idea,

00:41:42.240 they're a very good idea. They are meant for order. They are meant for protection. So here's

00:41:47.880 what Deuteronomy 26, 19 says about Israel, quote, and that he will set you in praise and in fame and

00:41:54.640 an honor high above all nations that he has made, and that you shall be a people holy to the Lord,

00:42:01.120 your God, as he promised. So all the nations that he has made, God made nations. Let me read you

00:42:07.760 Acts 17, 26. And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth,

00:42:16.440 having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place. So the idea

00:42:22.120 of earthly boundaries, allotted dwelling places for people is God's idea. This borderless world in

00:42:30.040 which there are no distinct cultures or countries lends itself to, again, I keep saying this word because

00:42:35.600 I truly believe God hates it and I believe it's bad for humanity. It lends itself to chaos. It lends

00:42:41.280 itself to strife and injustice because it goes against how God created human beings and the world

00:42:46.740 to function, at least on this side of eternity. And on the other side of eternity, let me read you

00:42:53.380 a part of Revelation 7, 9 through 10. So this is God through John speaking.

00:42:59.400 After this, I looked and behold a great multitude that no one could number from every nation,

00:43:03.820 from all tribes and peoples and languages standing before the throne and before the lamb crying out

00:43:09.040 with a loud voice, salvation belongs to our God. I mean, that is a beautiful picture of worship of

00:43:15.220 Christ, where the church, which is made up of all different kinds of people will be united in our

00:43:20.640 adoration of him. But even here, like we see that God through John distinguishes people by their nation,

00:43:27.220 tribe and people group. There is an acknowledgement of earthly distinctions, at least in his rendering,

00:43:32.140 and John's rendering of what he saw, even if those distinctions don't actually divide us

00:43:37.440 in heaven. And again, I would say that America, that the role of the government is not to make

00:43:45.120 America be like heaven. Like that's not what it, that's not the role of the government. That's not

00:43:52.180 what it's going to look like. That doesn't mean that we can't be united as a diverse people,

00:43:56.740 but what unites us in heaven will be the glory of God and our love for the glory of God that is not

00:44:02.600 meant to inform immigration policy here. And just a couple more things that I want to say about this

00:44:09.680 before I close out. If we look at Romans chapter 13, for example, verse 1 talks about every person

00:44:16.900 being subjected to governing authorities, and there is no authority except from God. They're supposed to be

00:44:23.420 servants of God. Now we know that we have to obey earthly authorities insofar as we are not caused to

00:44:31.080 sin in the United States. We believe in a philosophy called the law is king. So the constitution actually

00:44:37.000 is supposed to bind the authority of the people who are, quote, in charge. And so when they go against

00:44:45.760 the constitution, it is they who are disobeying the authority that is supreme in the United States,

00:44:50.060 not us. But we absolutely have laws against illegal entry. And so it is not right, it is not righteous

00:44:59.460 to break that law. And it would also not be righteous for the United States to incentivize or enable

00:45:05.540 the breaking of that law. It certainly wouldn't be biblical and it wouldn't be right for all of the 0.98

00:45:10.520 other reasons that we listed and all of the consequences of enabling illegal immigration. Now that doesn't

00:45:16.300 mean that we should be intentionally cruel. We of course should have compassion for people as much

00:45:21.160 as we can, but that shouldn't be mutually exclusive with protecting our border. We also have to have

00:45:26.360 compassion for the people who live here. I was against building a wall at some point. Now I actually

00:45:35.340 think it can be a very effective strategy. We also see throughout scripture, and I don't have time to read

00:45:40.100 you all of the references today, but we see throughout scripture that walls are always a

00:45:46.000 depiction of security. They're a depiction of wisdom. They're actually seen as a blessing in the

00:45:51.040 Bible that when a country is safe and secure, when it has orderly processes, it's better again for

00:45:57.480 everyone, not just the people in the country, but also the people trying to come here. So our compassion

00:46:03.320 that we have has to be paired with critical thinking. It has to be paired with knowledge.

00:46:08.940 These knee-jerk reactions to decontextualized, misrepresenting pictures is not God-glorifying

00:46:16.640 because it's not truthful. All right, that's all I have time for today. I will see you back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 21, 2021

Ep 492 ｜ Busting Border Propaganda ｜ Guest： Rep. Chip Roy

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