Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 496 ｜ 'Vaccine Apostles'： How the COVID Cult Hurts People

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful day,

00:00:13.540 a wonderful week so far. So a couple things before we start, we're going to talk about

00:00:17.560 some COVID things, but I just want to remind you that next Tuesday is our 500th episode

00:00:23.680 and I am super, super excited about it. We've got a bunch of fun things planned, things

00:00:28.660 that we are working on. It's going to be a super fun episode. One thing that I'm asking you guys

00:00:33.420 to contribute to the episode and not, not the whole thing will be this, but a good chunk of it

00:00:38.560 will be, uh, you guys, if you would send me a voicemail and let me pull up the voicemail number

00:00:47.780 so I can give it to you. But if you would send me a voicemail, um, telling me something that you

00:00:54.160 have especially appreciate appreciated about the show or something that, um, something that your

00:01:02.800 mind has changed on because of the show, then that would mean so much to us. And we will play several

00:01:09.060 of those in our 500, 500th episode. The number is, are you ready? 682-503-1369, 682-503-1369.

00:01:20.500 That's where you can leave a voicemail for relatable. We will be listening to those and

00:01:26.100 we will play, like I said, several of them, not all of them. And if we don't get to yours,

00:01:30.040 it's not because I didn't so appreciate it. It's not because I'm not grateful to you for taking the

00:01:34.020 time to do that. We just do have a limited amount of time, but please, if you haven't done that,

00:01:38.640 uh, please do. So that would mean a whole lot to us. I'm really, really excited about our 500th episode.

00:01:44.660 I can't believe it's been that long. Um, all right, let's get into today's episode.

00:01:49.300 One more thing, actually, speaking of voicemails, we're going to play one or two or a few,

00:01:54.700 I don't know how many would you rather that you guys sent me, uh, via voicemail. And maybe I'll

00:01:59.760 talk about, uh, one or two, a couple other fun separate things at the end of this episode. So

00:02:06.260 stay tuned for that. All right. Today though, we're going to talk about the new governor of New

00:02:12.120 York who took the place of Andrew Cuomo when he resigned. Uh, she gave a speech at a church in

00:02:17.140 Brooklyn about God wanting you, calling you to get the vaccine and you being her apostles and going

00:02:23.620 out and sharing the good news of vaccination. Uh, we're going to talk through some data and discuss

00:02:29.940 how yet again, the CDC has proven itself to be a political entity rather than a scientific one,

00:02:36.540 specifically as it comes to booster shots. And, uh, then I said, like I said, at the end,

00:02:42.220 we might talk about, um, a couple other things. Uh, let's talk about first, why does talking about

00:02:50.580 all of this COVID stuff matter? And I just like to remind everyone of this because we've been

00:02:55.260 talking about it for so long, so persistently, especially over the past few months. But I'm

00:03:00.740 reminded every day, every week, how much the truth matters, especially on this based, uh, on things

00:03:07.460 that are not true based on feelings, not grounded in reality, people are making policies that are

00:03:15.400 negatively affecting people. And so the truth matters or, and I don't have a monopoly on the

00:03:20.560 truth. I'm not trying to say that, but certainly there should be a lively debate, um, about the facts

00:03:26.980 surrounding the virus and the measures that have been taken that are being taken to supposedly

00:03:33.140 mitigate the spread of the virus. Like we should be looking at this from a variety of perspectives

00:03:39.640 and I am offering you, um, a different perspective. And when I do, it's not my opinion. I'm not saying

00:03:45.880 I have a hunch about this, that I, you know, am an armchair epidemiologist. That's certainly not what

00:03:52.260 I'm saying. I'm saying, let's look at the data. Let's look at some peer reviewed studies that are not

00:03:56.500 making it into the mainstream. Um, and let's talk about those and try to, as well as we can

00:04:02.940 deduce, uh, some things from it that may have an effect on the policy decisions that the people in

00:04:09.200 charge make. That is, if you actually think that this is about public health and science anymore,

00:04:13.120 which I certainly have my doubts. Um, I watched a speech of a parent the other day. It was actually

00:04:19.820 in the same school district as the guest that we had yesterday, talked to a mom from Richardson ISD

00:04:24.720 who found a bunch of just pornographic grotesque things in a book that her eighth grader was

00:04:31.100 recommended by a teacher. Go listen to that episode. If you haven't already, it's maddening,

00:04:36.140 also super encouraging and inspiring to listen to the mom that stood up for her children. But I was

00:04:41.740 listening to some of the speeches at that school board meeting. And I listened to this mom talking

00:04:46.280 about masks. So Richardson independent school district in Texas, it's a suburb outside of Dallas.

00:04:51.720 They are defying governor Abbott's, uh, mandate or ban against mask mandates in school districts.

00:04:58.660 What that means is not that a kid can't wear a mask or that a parent can't, uh, make a kid wear a mask

00:05:05.720 or ask their kid to wear a mask. What it simply means is that the school cannot force the students

00:05:11.500 to wear a mask. It should be up to the parents. And so a lot of people who are, you know, freaking out

00:05:18.460 about this ban on mask mandates, uh, seem to be very afraid of choice when it comes to masks.

00:05:24.540 But of course, they're all about bodily autonomy and choice when it comes to killing an unborn child.

00:05:29.400 But we don't have time to get into that kind of hypocritical argument. So this particular mom

00:05:34.740 at the school board meeting, uh, was saying that kids without masks are biological weapons,

00:05:40.400 that they're murdering people with their germs. And that is why she believes her school or her

00:05:45.480 school district should, uh, defy governor Abbott's ban on mask mandates and just mandate them

00:05:50.520 anyway. Um, except her arguments is passionate and as articulate as she was. And as much as I am sure

00:05:57.420 she cares truly about her children, what she was saying just wasn't factual. Like we know

00:06:03.320 that kids are not walking around murdering people like with their COVID germs. Uh, remember

00:06:10.560 there have been, according to the CDC, 464 deaths of people ages zero to 17 involving COVID. That's the

00:06:20.600 CDC's words. And so there are instances when they simply had COVID. They also maybe had something else

00:06:27.260 that primarily, um, killed them because also if you look at the CDC data, the vast majority of these

00:06:33.100 kids, if not all of these kids who died quote involving COVID had some kind of underlying condition.

00:06:38.220 That doesn't mean that it, it doesn't matter that we should discount that, but it's important to

00:06:43.300 know those facts again, to have some perspective if our, if the truth is supposed to be influencing

00:06:48.580 public policy, which has an effect on millions of people. So, um, 464 deaths, uh, people ages zero to

00:06:56.940 17 involving COVID since February of 2020. So that's more than, um, or that's about a year and a half at

00:07:04.680 this point. Now for some further perspective, there are 73 million people aged zero to 17 in the United

00:07:12.420 States. So that is 0.00063% of the adolescent population that has died involving COVID. According

00:07:20.180 to the CDC, according to the new England journal of medicine, more than 4,000 children die in car

00:07:25.960 accidents every year. So almost 10 times the number of kids die in car wrecks in one year that have died

00:07:32.860 from COVID in a year and a half. So I'm just saying, if you're not, um, refusing to put your

00:07:39.180 kid in your car to go somewhere, then you shouldn't be scared of them dying from COVID or you can be

00:07:44.740 scared of, of both. And trust me, I can relate to that. You can choose to shield them from everything

00:07:51.940 forever so that they're just purposeless little balls of anxiety their whole lives. And like I said,

00:07:57.460 I get that. Like, I'm a worrier. You love your kids. I don't, I don't doubt that. But thankfully,

00:08:03.660 like, isn't this good news? Isn't it good news that we don't have to live in fear of kids dying

00:08:07.840 from COVID because the risk is so low? Isn't that a good thing? Like, shouldn't we feel liberated from

00:08:14.660 that? Shouldn't we be glad that we really don't have to inhibit our children's wellbeing, their social,

00:08:20.300 emotional, uh, welfare, their, uh, their speech development, their, uh, cognitive development,

00:08:30.220 their school experience because of our fear of COVID for them? It just, it should be really good

00:08:36.980 news. It should be good news that it is so incredibly rare that they get a serious case of

00:08:42.920 COVID and they die from COVID. Could it happen? Yeah, it could happen. You could also get struck by

00:08:47.900 lightning tomorrow. It's really about a comparable risk for kids. And the 2017 to 2018 flu season,

00:08:55.580 the CDC estimates that 643 children, 17 and under, die to the flu. We'll include the link to that in

00:09:02.260 the description so you can see for yourself. The CDC says this, quote, deaths in children with

00:09:06.860 laboratory confirmed influenza virus infection are reportable in the United States and 183 deaths

00:09:12.980 were reported for the 2017 to 2018 season. However, influenza associated pediatric deaths are

00:09:19.320 likely underreported as not all children whose death was related to an influenza virus infection

00:09:24.180 may have been tested for influenza. Therefore, we used a mathematical model to estimate the total

00:09:29.760 number of pediatric deaths based on hospitalization rates and the frequency of death in and out of the

00:09:35.240 hospital from death certificates, estimating that there were more than 640 deaths associated with

00:09:40.720 influenza in children. Again, that's 2017 to 2018 flu season. That's about a six-month period.

00:09:49.300 So we haven't stopped kids their entire lives, or we haven't stopped kids' entire lives because of

00:09:55.560 the threat of the flu, have we? Then we shouldn't be doing that now either. Here's the CDC director just

00:10:02.440 a few weeks ago admitting on CNN that kids are not getting sicker from the Delta variant.

00:10:06.980 Now, the Delta variant isn't making kids any sicker per se. Is it because the statistics as the studies

00:10:13.900 have come back from children and COVID, what from the UK, what did we learn there? Some 99.995%

00:10:22.160 of the 470,000 children in England infected survived. I mean, that's an incredible survival rate.

00:10:29.300 The Delta variant isn't making kids any sicker, is it?

00:10:31.340 We don't have any evidence that is doing so, and that's really great news. But I do want to

00:10:36.080 emphasize, and I know all of the data, and it is so true that all of the data say the kids do better

00:10:41.460 than the adults. Transmission is less in schools than it might be in other places.

00:10:46.260 So, I mean, that's from the horse's mouth. And I don't think that Rochelle Walensky,

00:10:51.560 I don't think that she does a good job. Like, I think that she is very politicized. I think that

00:10:56.160 she is not a confident, competent spokesperson for the CDC, but she was kind of made to admit

00:11:03.180 what we know is true. I hear a lot of people talking about, well, the Delta variant has changed

00:11:06.820 the game for kids, or long COVID has changed the game. There's really no evidence that long COVID

00:11:13.780 is anything different than long flu. And I'm not saying that COVID and the flu are the same thing

00:11:20.400 for all age groups. It's not. COVID is a lot deadlier for the older age groups than the flu is,

00:11:26.360 but it's not deadlier for kids. And so this idea that, oh, yeah, we might not have to worry about

00:11:32.400 COVID deaths right now among kids, but we need to worry about long COVID, the evidence on that is

00:11:37.820 shaky at best. It just seems like people are just clinging to this for no reason when it comes to kids.

00:11:44.120 I just don't understand it in a way that other countries absolutely are not. Remember,

00:11:49.260 the New York Magazine article analyzing the CDC's data on masking in schools and demonstrating that

00:11:55.400 the data does not show that masking actually does anything. At least the data doesn't show it either

00:12:02.520 way, is what he concluded. There's a good summary of that article, which we have talked about on this

00:12:08.920 podcast a few times now on fee.com that says, a recent New York Magazine article states that the

00:12:16.300 science on masks remains uncertain, but noted the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in May

00:12:21.000 published a large scale study of COVID transmission in U.S. schools. The study, which analyzed some 90,000

00:12:26.920 elementary students in 169 Georgia schools from November 16th to December 11th, found there was no

00:12:33.320 statistically significant difference in schools that required students to wear masks compared to schools

00:12:39.080 where masks were optional. The 21% lower incidence in schools that required mask use among students

00:12:45.900 was not statistically significant compared with schools where mask use was optional, the CDC said.

00:12:52.480 This finding might be attributed to higher effectiveness of masks among adults who are at

00:12:57.080 higher risk for COVID-19 infection, but might also result from differences in mask wearing behavior

00:13:03.060 among students in schools with optional requirements. And so the point is that looking at the data,

00:13:08.700 I mean, there was no way to be able to tell, like there wasn't any kind of statistical difference.

00:13:15.640 We also read the article in The Atlantic by Vinay Prasad, who is an epidemiology professor at UC San

00:13:21.680 Francisco, who writes this, quote, no scientific consensus exists about the wisdom of mandatory masking

00:13:29.240 rules for school children. The World Health Organization, which recommends that children 12 and

00:13:33.760 underwear masks under the same circumstances that adults do specifically advises against masking kids

00:13:46.880 age five and younger. Many European nations have been taking the agency's advice. The United Kingdom

00:13:52.920 has emphasized rapid testing instead of masking and has not required elementary school students or their

00:13:58.940 teachers to wear a face covering. Mask mandates can be challenging for little children to follow and

00:14:04.360 deprive them of stimuli they need. In addition to recommending masks for young kids, CDC guidelines

00:14:11.000 also urge masks for most vaccinated caregivers who work in infant daycare centers. This advice also

00:14:17.960 deviates from standard practice in other nations, including the UK. Many studies support the importance of

00:14:23.300 babies seeing caregivers' faces. Of course, of course, we all know this. And prior to the arrival of COVID-19,

00:14:29.900 many American professional organizations, including the AAP, strongly agree. Now, I'm just going to

00:14:35.420 insert my commentary here, and I think that I've spoken about this before, but the AAP had a section on

00:14:41.460 their website that talked about the importance of smiling at children, not just at school and in daycare,

00:14:47.800 but also at home and why it's so important for their social development, their speech development,

00:14:55.020 to be able to see faces, to see the formation of words, to see smiles. And then when people started posting

00:15:02.600 that on Twitter, they took it off their website. I mean, talk about Orwellian. Did the science change? Did they

00:15:09.600 make a statement saying, you know, we've gathered some data and we realize that's no longer true? No, they didn't say

00:15:16.200 anything about it. They pushed it down the memory hole. We've always been at war with East Asia. I

00:15:22.380 mean, it's insanity. It's insanity to me how people don't see this at this point. The article goes on

00:15:29.160 to say, and I know I'm reading a lot out of it, but I just think that it's really good. He says,

00:15:33.640 K-8 schools in affluent and highly educated Palo Alto, California, require kids to mask even outdoors

00:15:39.700 at recess. San Diego schools recently announced an outdoor mask mandate as well. Yet scientists have

00:15:45.480 known for some time that outdoor transmission is exceedingly rare. And many experts believe that

00:15:50.720 outdoor masking is misguided. When masks are required in outdoor settings, kids may experience

00:15:55.180 limitations in play, exercise tolerance, and socialization. And actually, I just saw, and this

00:16:01.060 just came to my head, and I don't have it right in front of me, that obesity has increased by something

00:16:08.060 like 30 percent or something like that among kids ages 5 to 11 over the past year and a half. And

00:16:16.140 we're going to try to inhibit their recreation, their exercise even more by putting a mask on

00:16:24.300 them outside? I mean, for what gain? That's what he asks too. For what gain? The benefits of mask

00:16:29.660 requirements in schools might seem self-evident. They have to help contain the coronavirus, right?

00:16:34.480 But that may not be so. In Spain, masks are used in kids ages 6 and older. The authors of one study

00:16:39.980 there examined the risk of viral spread at all ages. If masks provided a large benefit,

00:16:45.280 then the transmission rate among 5-year-olds would be far higher than the rate among 6-year-olds.

00:16:51.240 The results of that study in Spain do not show that, he says. Instead, they show that transmission

00:16:57.020 rates, which were low among the youngest kids, steadily increased with age, rather than dropping sharply

00:17:03.460 for older children subject to the face covering requirement. This suggests that masking kids in

00:17:08.420 school does not provide a major benefit. It might provide none at all. So if you don't believe me,

00:17:13.700 like if you think that I'm politicizing this, listen to other doctors, listen to epidemiologists that are

00:17:19.540 standing up and saying, no, this doesn't make sense. And ask yourself why organizations like the CDC,

00:17:25.120 the AAP, won't actually give you the science behind making, for example, 2-year-olds wear masks,

00:17:31.020 or why they have decided to defy the WHO when it comes to this. Why America, and maybe Canada,

00:17:40.020 I'm not sure, stands alone when it comes to masking little kids. Even Australia, where it's literally

00:17:45.420 a police state in some parts, they don't make kids wear masks. And so this is, you know, people get mad

00:17:52.120 when I say this, but it's true. If you are making your kid at this point wear a mask, and I'm not just

00:17:57.480 talking about, okay, you have to get on a plane, you have no other option, you have to make your kid

00:18:02.460 wear a mask. I'm talking about if you are choosing to make your kid wear a mask, whether you know it

00:18:07.700 or not, you're doing it because of politics. You're doing it because of politics. The data isn't there.

00:18:12.860 The science is not there. You're doing it because, and again, I'm sure it's not intentional, but because

00:18:18.920 you have been told this is what it looks like to be safe, to be smart, to be scientific, to love your

00:18:24.320 neighbor. But none of those descriptors are actually true if the reason that you're masking

00:18:31.220 your child isn't actually based in any scientific evidence. It's crazy. It's crazy. So we've also

00:18:38.620 talked about Dr. Marty McCaughey. He is a professor at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public

00:18:43.800 Health. He writes for Wall Street Journal about the adverse effects of masks on kids. He says,

00:18:50.380 In March, Ireland's Department of Health announced that it won't require masks in schools because they

00:18:56.100 may exacerbate anxiety or breathing difficulties for some students. Some children compensate for

00:19:03.420 such difficulties by breathing through their mouths. Chronic and prolonged mouth breathing can alter

00:19:08.460 facial development. It is well documented that children who mouth breathe because adenoids block

00:19:13.040 their nasal airways can develop mouth deformity and elongated face. The possible psychological harm of

00:19:20.200 widespread masking is an even greater worry. Facial expressions are integral to human connection,

00:19:25.960 particularly for young children who are only learning how to signal fear, confusion, and happiness.

00:19:31.800 That's something that I really worry about. I really worry about kids who are victimized,

00:19:36.600 who are unable to describe their abuser, who are unable to even express their discomforts. I just think

00:19:46.040 it puts kids in a very vulnerable situation. Gosh, I can't even imagine what we're doing to them long

00:19:51.680 term, which I'll talk about in a second. The article goes on to say by Dr. Macari, covering a child's face

00:19:57.460 mutes these nonverbal forms of communication and can result in robotic and emotionless interactions,

00:20:02.560 anxiety, and depression. Seeing people speak is a building block of phonetic development. It is especially

00:20:07.980 important for children with disabilities, such as hearing impairment. Also, a University of Waterloo study

00:20:14.380 finds, and we've talked about this before, that cloth masks and surgical masks are not effective.

00:20:19.880 Hardly at all. New York Post reports this. The results show that a standard surgical and three-ply

00:20:24.740 cloth mask filter at apparent efficiencies of only 12.4% and 9.8% respectively. And that is if the masks

00:20:33.860 are totally clean and totally dry, which the dryness and the cleanliness of those masks goes away in about

00:20:40.740 20 minutes. We've talked about that. That's according to another study that was done several

00:20:45.440 years ago, I think in 2010, that I linked to in the long post on my website that I did about masks and

00:20:52.540 all the studies that show that, especially for kids, they're not all that effective. However, I want to

00:20:58.000 give air to this because you might have seen a new study by the CDC that came out on the 24th that

00:21:04.380 looked at schools in Arizona. The study finds this, quote, in the two largest Arizona counties

00:21:10.440 with variable K through 12 school masking policies, the onset of the 2021 to 2022 academic year,

00:21:18.600 the odds of a school-associated COVID-19 outbreak were 3.5 times higher in schools with no mask

00:21:24.840 requirement than in those with a mask requirement implemented at the time school started. So what do

00:21:32.300 we make of all of that? I'll tell you what I think that we should make of that in light of everything

00:21:37.960 else that we know and the other data that we have. So how do we square that what I just read about

00:21:49.540 Arizona schools with the CDC study from a few months ago that was reported on a New York magazine

00:21:56.040 of the 90,000 students in Georgia that showed that there's really no evidence that masking helps.

00:22:02.300 Well, I actually am guessing that they go together pretty perfectly. So David Zwick, I think that's

00:22:10.020 how you pronounce his last name, the author of that New York magazine article that analyzed the CDC

00:22:14.480 Georgia study writes this, quote, at the end of May, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

00:22:22.140 published a notable yet mostly ignored large-scale study of COVID transmission in American schools.

00:22:27.520 A few major news outlets covered its release by briefly reiterating the study's summary.

00:22:32.300 That masking then on vaccinated teachers and improving ventilation with more fresh air were

00:22:37.440 associated with the lower incidence of the virus in schools. Those are common sense measures and the

00:22:43.320 fact that they seem to work is reassuring but not surprising. Other findings of equal importance in

00:22:48.960 the study, however, were absent from the summary and were not widely reported. So that's one problem that

00:22:56.140 he talked about. He was on a podcast talking about this and he said, you know,

00:22:59.540 these studies, they give a summary and that's the only thing sometimes that journalists

00:23:04.340 actually read. And so that's the only thing that they report on rather than digging into the data.

00:23:09.000 And why not all of the findings are included in the summary that they know that most people are

00:23:14.640 going to read? I'm not sure. But David Zwick actually dug into the data and he goes on to say

00:23:21.940 this in his article. These findings cast doubt on the impact of many of the most common mitigation

00:23:26.600 measures in American schools. Distancing hybrid models, classroom barriers, HEPA filters, and most

00:23:32.860 notably requiring student masking were each found to not have a statistically significant benefit. In other

00:23:39.080 words, these measures could not be said to be effective. So knowing this from that CDC study,

00:23:47.040 my question would be, what were the other differences between the schools analyzed in

00:23:53.140 the CDC's Arizona study? Was there better ventilation in some schools? Did some schools

00:23:58.220 spend more time outside? There are so many factors that could come into play here. And I think it's

00:24:03.120 really important to look at them before we maybe unintentionally make a correlation causation fallacy.

00:24:10.300 And even if it were true that there were higher case rates, just higher case rates in those schools

00:24:17.120 without masks and say it even was because of the masks, which again, in light of the other data that

00:24:22.740 we know, probably not, at least not probably not exclusively because of the masks. My question would

00:24:28.680 still be, so what? So what? If you're a kid, COVID mostly in like mostly, mostly, mostly,

00:24:36.480 mostly, okay, is no big deal for you. And if you're an elderly person who works at a school,

00:24:42.580 you're a person who's vulnerable, or you live with someone who's vulnerable, you are totally free to

00:24:47.460 get the vaccine, which has been available to you for a long time. That vaccine is supposed to protect

00:24:52.220 you from serious illness and death. And if you're an adult who hasn't gotten the vaccine, well, you don't

00:24:58.380 want to at this point. And you can't be scared of someone spreading it to you because you've made the

00:25:04.500 decision not to get the vaccine. And so you have already kind of calculated your risks and all of

00:25:10.740 that. And you're probably not afraid of a child spreading it to you. So I just don't understand.

00:25:16.100 I don't understand what benefit there is to kids being masked. I just don't. The risks clearly,

00:25:22.100 in my opinion, from the fact, from the data that we see from the arguments being made by many

00:25:28.660 epidemiologists, the risks outweigh the benefits when it comes to masking kids. And when I see,

00:25:35.900 as I have many times, I was in DC this past weekend, and I saw this several times, parents

00:25:40.900 walking around without a mask outside, which is fine. Great. Don't wear a mask outside. But they're

00:25:47.060 holding the hand of their little four-year-old or five-year-old who is wearing one. So help me.

00:25:53.700 When I see that, it just frustrates me so much. I mean, to be completely charitable, I do think

00:26:00.200 people still have this erroneous idea that masks actually protect the wearer. So maybe they think

00:26:05.280 that they're protecting their kids walking around outside, literally not even within 30 feet of

00:26:10.060 anyone by making them wear a cloth mask when it's 80 degrees. Maybe they think that they're protecting

00:26:14.520 their child, but masks don't actually protect the wearer. And they've never claimed, the CDC has never

00:26:20.680 claimed that the masks are supposed to protect you. That's never been it. The mask is supposed to,

00:26:26.320 supposed to stop your sickness from getting on someone else. But that's really only true if you've

00:26:32.980 got a certain kind of mask on that is clean, that is sterile, that is fitted perfectly. An N95 mask has a

00:26:40.700 pretty good effectiveness, at least from that University of Waterloo study, or at least a lot

00:26:47.500 more than a three-ply surgical mask or a cloth mask. So much of this, guys, so much of this is

00:26:53.940 just, it's nonsensical. It's nonsensical. We played the videos last week of two-year-olds being forced

00:27:00.160 to mask against their wishes. I've gotten many messages from parents saying that they're hard

00:27:04.560 of hearing children or their special needs child or their child in speech therapy, especially kids with

00:27:10.920 autism that really are struggling to and trying to learn how to socially interact, how to pick up on

00:27:19.560 people's emotions, that they're really struggling right now. Like, I don't understand why we don't

00:27:25.400 care about that. We are supposedly, and I say a big emphasis on supposedly, we are supposedly

00:27:32.020 this empathetic, understanding society, and yet COVID fear trumps everything. It gives people an excuse

00:27:39.960 to appear loving by wearing a mask without actually having to be loving and self-sacrificial

00:27:46.060 by doing what's actually best for those around us, especially the most vulnerable, especially

00:27:50.780 children. Like, I think Jesus had something to say about that. Something about, you know, whitewashed

00:27:55.920 tombs looking righteous on the outside, but not actually having righteousness and love on the inside.

00:28:00.520 I don't know. I seem, that seems to call something to mind. Anyway, all of this matters because these

00:28:07.820 things affect people. These things affect people. I can't help but think that we are creating a

00:28:13.060 generation who is going to be even more anxious than millennials and Gen Z. The skim posted a picture

00:28:19.420 of this precious little boy, probably nine years old, on their Instagram account, who wore his mask

00:28:24.680 in school, in school pictures, because he said his mom told him that he couldn't take it off even for

00:28:30.540 school pictures. Now, who knows if his mom actually said that or if she actually met school pictures,

00:28:34.220 but he didn't take off his mask. And he's just like, he's just, you know, sitting there with his

00:28:40.000 little mask on for school pictures. And it's super sad to me. It's super sad. Again, it's nonsensical.

00:28:45.980 We're teaching kids to be afraid of everything and everyone and to be irrational. Do you think that

00:28:51.620 we need more irrationality and fear today? Or do we maybe need some more strength and some more

00:28:57.540 courage, some more logic? And yes, of course, we need healthy discernment. We need wisdom and we need a

00:29:03.560 healthy fear of the right things. Absolutely. But illogic and hysteria and isolation and further

00:29:10.120 distrust and division? No. And again, I say that as someone who definitely has the propensity to

00:29:17.640 choose safety over strength for my kids. I want to protect them from all the things, all the time.

00:29:24.140 But I also really want them, even more, I want them to be functioning, critically thinking,

00:29:29.480 wise, brave, kind, contributing adults who follow the Jesus who spit his ministry touching lepers.

00:29:36.720 I mean, I cannot simultaneously teach my kids to love their neighbor and regard their neighbor as a

00:29:44.040 virus factor. I cannot expect my children to be like Christ who mingled with, touched, and healed

00:29:50.940 the sick and unclean if I teach them that their number one priority in life is not catching a cold

00:29:55.640 from someone else. I can't teach my kids how giving a warm smile to a stranger in the grocery

00:30:02.280 store can change someone's day for the better if their faces are covered all the time, especially

00:30:07.200 a covering that is not scientifically necessary for them, especially in situations like the grocery

00:30:14.320 store or outside when we're passing by people that we don't know. It's not actually doing anything

00:30:19.820 for anyone. It's not actually doing anything beneficial for anyone, I should say. So not only are we not

00:30:26.100 teaching kids love, we're also not teaching them truth. And I just won't, I won't be a part of that. I'm

00:30:32.100 sorry. Lies about masks and kids and risks affect people. Probably you want to talk about long COVID,

00:30:40.340 which like I said, is just very shaky evidence-wise. Let's talk about the long-term social, psychological,

00:30:49.760 emotional impact that we're having on kids that I promise you will be far more damaging to them

00:30:55.740 than COVID is right now. Our kids may be affected forever by this. And the people who are spreading

00:31:04.040 these lies, who are trying to whip up fear of parents, I don't even know why, honestly, just for

00:31:09.480 clicks, for control. I don't, I don't know. Or the people at least who are refusing to correct

00:31:16.780 those misplaced fears. They don't care. They don't care. But lies, lies affects people. And there's

00:31:22.900 more than one example of this. We've talked about this. We talked about this a lot last week. This,

00:31:27.400 this story had me fired up, fired up, and we'll get back to COVID. But think about the Biden

00:31:33.840 administration and the media spreading lies about the Border Patrol agents whipping migrants.

00:31:39.480 I talked about extensively on Instagram because I was so incensed about this. I talked about how

00:31:45.300 that just wasn't true. We looked at the different angles of the different photos that were taken.

00:31:49.140 We looked at actually the video footage. The photographer actually came out and said,

00:31:53.000 whoa, whoa, whoa, this picture is being taken out of context. What people are saying was happening with

00:31:57.420 like migrants being rounded up and whipped like cattle. That just wasn't true. And yet you had every

00:32:02.500 Democratic politician, including Joe Biden himself, saying, oh, this is not who we are. Biden actually took

00:32:08.060 the podium and said, they will pay. It was a lie. It was all based on a lie. They were just doing

00:32:14.900 their jobs. And yet the agents based on this lie were demoted and the agents can no longer use their

00:32:20.640 horses to do their jobs. And the border will be more open, more vulnerable because of that.

00:32:26.260 And none of these people that are crossing over, to bring it back to what we were talking about,

00:32:31.220 are vaccinated. Most probably aren't even tested. Most aren't wearing masks. And yet the Secretary of

00:32:37.560 Defense just said, we've accepted at least 12,000 Haitian migrants into the United States.

00:32:42.540 Now, if you want to know about, you know, refugee status and what's really going on and the

00:32:48.140 deleterious effects of having open borders and having border patrol agents that are prohibited from being

00:32:54.980 able to do their jobs effectively, go back and listen to last week's episode. We'll link. It's on this

00:33:01.340 topic and we talk about also how to approach it biblically. But a lie about border patrol whipping

00:33:08.700 migrants became public opinion and public opinion became policy. And now that policy will have serious

00:33:15.540 effects on real people. I mean, those guys who were doing their jobs, who from at least the footage

00:33:21.180 that we saw weren't doing anything wrong. They weren't being abusive. They were actually holding back

00:33:26.340 a lot. I mean, really a border patrol agent trying to enforce the law by grabbing a grown man's t-shirt

00:33:31.900 like that is going to be what sends people into this spiral of hysteria and not the hundreds of images

00:33:37.760 that we have seen of little kids being drugged and smuggled across the border because of these

00:33:45.260 lax border policies. It's just it's crazy. It's so clearly political and it's so clearly nefarious.

00:33:52.280 Now these guys who are making, I don't know, maybe $60,000 a year who already had an almost

00:33:57.320 impossible job anyway because they haven't been equipped and supported by this administration.

00:34:01.760 Now they've been demoted. Do they take a pay cut? Have their lives been ruined? Are people still

00:34:06.180 trying to dox them? Like think about their wives and their children and the people they know them

00:34:10.520 because he grabbed the guy's t-shirt who was trying to enter the country illegally like it was worth

00:34:15.560 Joe Biden perpetuating a lie and in trying to ruin their lives? What? But lies affect people. They

00:34:23.700 affect policy and the people who perpetuated that lie about the border patrol agent, they won't feel

00:34:28.260 an ounce of guilt about it in the same way, in the same way that the people who are perpetuating lies

00:34:33.620 and are exaggerating the risks of COVID to kids and the benefit of masks to kids. They won't feel an ounce

00:34:41.160 of guilt in 10 years when we realize all of the negative psychological effects that these measures

00:34:49.460 are having on kids. Other lies, like all police officers are racist, so let's defund the police

00:34:57.040 based on that narrative. Well, now murder has ravaged cities like Minneapolis who have made that choice.

00:35:02.920 Lies have consequences, left and right. It's not just a left-wing issue. Lies have consequences,

00:35:10.700 whether it's Donald Trump saying a lie, whether it's Joe Biden saying a lie. Jesse Kelly did make a

00:35:18.460 great point, though, about all of this on Twitter, a great sad point about all of this. He said 12,000

00:35:26.220 unvaccinated illegal immigrant Haitians are currently being fully supported by the United States and

00:35:31.640 they're being brought into the United States. But a health care worker in New York who doesn't want

00:35:36.340 the vaccine is currently unemployed and is not even eligible for unemployment benefits. Crazy. I mean,

00:35:44.520 New York, and we're going to talk about the New York governor in just a second. She said that they're

00:35:48.820 calling in the National Guard to replace the health care workers that are being fired because of their

00:35:57.300 refusal to get the vaccine. What? What? How can we say that that's about health care? Can you honestly

00:36:04.200 say that that's better? I mean, we've already seen the hospital in New York. There was at least one

00:36:09.520 hospital in New York. I've heard a couple other reports of this happening around the country that

00:36:13.580 they had to stop delivering babies because there were so many labor and delivery nurses that because

00:36:17.660 of the vaccine mandate decided to quit their jobs. And anyone who says, well, I don't want

00:36:21.900 unvaccinated people treating me. So you think it's better to not get treated at all? You think it's

00:36:26.240 better that there are no longer competent nurses working in these places so people don't get any care

00:36:32.380 that they need? You think that that's better? So health care workers, servicemen and women,

00:36:38.140 people who signed up to make the ultimate sacrifice for our country, people in all kinds of jobs,

00:36:45.140 even people, you know, frontline workers who never stopped working at the height of the pandemic,

00:36:52.000 who risked, you know, getting sick, decided to still go out there and do their job. These people are

00:36:58.520 being forced to quit. They're being fired because they aren't getting this vaccine for many different

00:37:03.700 sincere reasons, maybe religious, maybe they want to wait and see, maybe they're pregnant or

00:37:08.700 breastfeeding and they just want to see more data. Maybe they have a medical reason. Maybe these people

00:37:13.600 have already had it. So they know that their natural immunity, as we read last week in that Israel

00:37:18.800 preprint study, and as Dr. Fauci has said himself, and as the New York Times has reported, is very strong

00:37:24.880 and very enduring. You are less likely as an unvaccinated person who has gotten COVID to be

00:37:30.540 reinfected than a vaccinated person who has never gotten COVID previously. And all vaccinated adults,

00:37:36.680 by the way, as we also talked about last week, are still more likely to die from COVID than an

00:37:41.800 unvaccinated person under the age of 18. I want to read you this quote. So there was,

00:37:47.620 there was, you know, a meeting about booster shots by the FDA. And there were a bunch of different

00:37:55.460 doctors that came together and they discussed the, the need for booster shots and whether or not

00:38:01.900 booster shots were something that were necessary. You might've seen Joe Biden. He got his booster shot

00:38:06.540 on air. A lot of people were saying, did he really? I'm guessing it's real. Like he got his booster

00:38:12.020 shot on air. And the FDA originally said, no, no booster shots. We don't know. We don't have enough

00:38:18.200 data. We don't need this. But now it seems like the CDC is influenced again by politics, by the Biden

00:38:24.240 administration to say, oh no, we need booster shots. And why does it have to do with the support

00:38:29.660 of companies like Pfizer? I don't know. I don't know. But so Dr. Joseph Freeman. So I looked at the

00:38:37.360 transcript of this FDA meeting and maybe I'll link to the transcript. It's like eight hours long and

00:38:42.660 all of these different doctors are going back and forth talking about whether or not we should,

00:38:48.080 we should do booster shots. And I just thought that this was interesting from Dr. Joseph Freeman.

00:38:53.580 He says this, no conflicts to declare. I'm an emergency physician educated at Cornell Medical

00:38:58.260 School, my residency with Charity Hospital in New Orleans. And I've been working in this region since

00:39:03.000 where I work over 65 percent of the population are not vaccinated. I'm here today to ask for help

00:39:08.780 for those working the front line to help us reduce vaccine hesitancy. For this, we need larger trials

00:39:14.140 that demonstrate the vaccine reduces hospitalization without finding evidence of serious harm. I know

00:39:20.560 many think the vaccine hesitant are dumb or just misinformed. That's not at all what I've seen. In fact,

00:39:25.860 typically independent of education level, the vaccine hesitant I've met in the ER are more familiar

00:39:31.180 with vaccine studies and more aware of their own COVID risk than the vaccinated. And then he says,

00:39:36.200 next slide, please. For example, many of my nurses have refused the vaccine despite having seen COVID-19

00:39:42.460 cause more death and devastation than most people have. I ask them, why refuse the vaccine? They tell me

00:39:48.180 while they've seen the firsthand dangers of COVID in the elderly, the obese and diabetics that their risk

00:39:53.460 is low. They're not wrong. Next slide, please. He says, one nurse showed me this Oxford risk calculator,

00:39:59.860 a 30 year old female has about a one in 7,000 chance of catching COVID and being hospitalized

00:40:06.040 over 90 days. She asked me, can I assure her that the studies found her risk of serious harm from the

00:40:11.580 vaccine is lower than her risk of hospitalization? The truth is I can't. So this Dr. Joseph Freeman,

00:40:18.360 who is clearly pro-vaccine, he wants to convince people to get the vaccine. At least he is giving credit

00:40:23.920 to the people, to many of the people who don't want the vaccine, who have done a lot of research. Now,

00:40:28.940 maybe that's not true for everyone who is refusing the vaccine. Maybe some people truly,

00:40:33.160 you know, they believe in conspiracy theories. But at this point, if someone hasn't gotten the

00:40:36.880 vaccine, like they probably cannot be convinced. And yet you had Joe Biden say yesterday that

00:40:42.620 we need like 98% of the country to get the vaccine before we can move on. Is there any historical

00:40:49.600 precedent for that kind of thing? For saying like that is threshold for when we can move on past a

00:40:55.680 particular disease, I guarantee you not even 98% of the country has had their MMR shot. Like there

00:41:00.480 are probably a lot of adults walking around right now who either got their MMR shot when they were

00:41:07.160 young and it ended up fading because that does happen. That's why, for example, your OB might tell

00:41:13.400 you when you're pregnant to get the MMR shot again. Or they just never got the MMR shot. Like

00:41:19.840 there's a bunch of baby boomers who never got measles, mumps or rubella, but they also didn't

00:41:24.200 get MMR when they were younger because it wasn't on the list of immunizations that were required for

00:41:30.320 kids. So I guarantee you there's a ton of people, a much bigger percentage than 2% who have never

00:41:36.740 gotten their MMR shot who are walking around fine. We've never thought about it. But now we have to

00:41:41.040 have 98% of people vaccinated in order to move on with our lives. Like when are you guys going to

00:41:47.320 realize this does not have to do with the science for the most part? For the most part. I'm not

00:41:52.180 saying it never does. I'm not saying COVID is fake. I'm not saying it doesn't threaten people.

00:41:57.140 I'm just saying the measures that we're taking at this point, the policies that are being put into

00:42:02.280 place at this point really don't make a whole lot of sense and obviously hurt more than help,

00:42:06.620 especially when you see hospitals like those in New York that are really struggling. Like when you see

00:42:12.240 police officers in Melbourne, Australia and in France beating unarmed women, pushing elderly people

00:42:19.840 to the ground who are peacefully protesting the lockdowns and they're doing so in the name of

00:42:24.160 health. Like, do you honestly think that once you get vaccinated or do whatever else that they

00:42:29.620 want you to do, if they want you to wear a, I don't know, a hat with a spinny wheel on top of it

00:42:36.500 and they tell you that somehow gets the germs away from you and that you won't get COVID, I guess

00:42:41.340 people would be willing to do that too. Like, do you honestly think that if you do, if everyone does

00:42:46.220 what the government tells them to do, that things are going to go back to normal, does this seem

00:42:50.100 normal to you? Does like dispatching the police, the militarized police around the world in places

00:42:58.260 like Australia and France to try to push people to the ground who are peacefully protesting or who are

00:43:04.420 just in the wrong place? I saw a terrible video yesterday of a man in Melbourne, Australia, who

00:43:10.160 was like smoking a cigarette outside with one of his friends who was like, you know, a hundred yards

00:43:16.320 from his house. He was literally tackled to the ground by police officers, hands behind his back

00:43:21.360 and got arrested. His friend is standing there like, what the heck are you doing? We weren't doing

00:43:25.780 anything wrong. And the police in the video, you can hear them say he has no valid reason to be out in

00:43:31.000 this park and eating with his friends. Like, do you think that has to do with normalcy? Do you think

00:43:36.480 that has to do with health? Is it healthier for these police officers to approach this person and

00:43:41.940 get right in his face than it is to, than it is for them to just leave him alone and eat outside in

00:43:47.540 peace? Like what about any of the people in charge makes you think that normal is the goal that they

00:43:53.100 have? Like, does history give us many examples of people who get unprecedented power and then give it up

00:43:59.420 willingly? No, no, no, it does not. Okay. Let's play this interesting clip from our, um, good friend,

00:44:13.600 governor of New York, Kathy Hochul. We are not through this pandemic. I wished we were, but I prayed a lot

00:44:20.740 to God during this time. And you know what? God did answer our prayers. He made the smartest men and

00:44:27.900 women, the scientists, the doctors, the researchers, he made them come up with a vaccine. That is from

00:44:34.040 God to us. And we must say, thank you, God. Thank you. And I wear my vaccinated necklace all the time to

00:44:41.920 say, I'm vaccinated. All of you. Yes, I know you're vaccinated. You're the smart ones, but you know,

00:44:48.000 there's people out there who aren't listening to God and what God wants. You know, this, you know who

00:44:52.720 they are. I need you to be my apostles. I need you to go out and talk about it and say, we owe this to

00:45:00.040 each other. We love each other. Jesus taught us to love one another. And how do you show that love,

00:45:07.180 but to care about each other enough to say, please get vaccinated because I love you. I want you to live.

00:45:12.240 I want our kids to be safe when they're in schools. I want you to be safe when you go to a doctor's office

00:45:16.660 or to a hospital and are treated by somebody. You don't want to get the virus from them. You're already

00:45:23.140 sick or you wouldn't be there. We have to solve this, my friends. I need every one of you. I need you

00:45:29.180 to let them know that this is how we can fight this pandemic, come back to normal, and then start

00:45:35.880 talking about the real issues that we have to. Fighting systemic racial injustice, which exists today. And if

00:45:41.900 there's a dot denier, I will take you on any date because I've seen it. I know it exists. And we are

00:45:46.780 not going to have a blind eye to this ever again, any longer under my watch. And that is my commitment

00:45:51.420 to you. How does, how does that last part always get in there? Like we, there wasn't even talking

00:45:56.820 about that. And somehow like, let's bring in the, the racial injustice point. So, so strange. I have so

00:46:05.420 many problems with that. I did say something that I was probably too rude. And I regret saying on

00:46:11.540 Instagram, when I posted this on Instagram, I said something super snarky, which honestly,

00:46:17.460 I'm being serious. I shouldn't have said, I said, you know what, people who are pro abortion,

00:46:21.800 that part is true. And who haven't read their Bible in 27 years, shouldn't pretend like they

00:46:25.940 have moral and spiritual authority. That was rude. I do not know that she hasn't read her Bible in 27

00:46:30.020 years. In fact, I read some other things about her and you know, she's Catholic and I'm sure she has,

00:46:36.600 you know, read her Bible. I should not have said that. So I apologize for being snarky.

00:46:41.180 Her argument just really bothered me. And I'll, I'll explain, I'll explain why. First,

00:46:47.900 just factually, unvaccinated does not mean infected. Also vaccinated doesn't mean not infected. So

00:46:54.460 someone who doesn't have the vaccine may not be infected and is therefore not passing it on.

00:47:00.380 And someone who is vaccinated may have it and may pass it on. And you're not necessarily less likely

00:47:06.300 to get COVID and you're definitely not less likely to pass COVID once you get COVID. If you are

00:47:13.100 vaccinated, we have talked several times now about that CDC map that we have linked that you can look

00:47:18.220 at vaccination rates, um, that vaccination rates and case rates. There are many parts of the country

00:47:25.660 right now that have high vaccination rates and some of the highest case rates in the country. What it does,

00:47:30.280 what the data does seem to show is that even if you get it and even, um, you know, if you're able

00:47:35.740 to spread it, which we know that the viral load is the same in the vaccinated versus the unvaccinated,

00:47:41.120 that you're probably not going to go to the hospital and die, but you're also probably not

00:47:45.080 going to go to the hospital and die if you don't get the vaccine. But for some, you know,

00:47:49.180 parts of the population, your hospitalization risk might be higher. And so once you get vaccinated,

00:47:54.400 you have a lower, um, you have a lower risk of that. So my question is knowing that you can still

00:48:00.240 get it, you can still spread it. Who are you loving by getting vaccinated yourself? If the vaccine

00:48:06.540 doesn't stop you from spreading it. And if everyone who wants the vaccine has gotten it is, and it's

00:48:10.920 supposed to be therefore protected. I know people say that, um, you know, uh, that healthcare workers

00:48:18.180 are the ones that are really being burdened by all of this because people who are not vaccinated

00:48:22.960 are coming in and they're, um, you know, they're needing care that they shouldn't have to need

00:48:28.520 because it's preventable. But I don't know about that. Uh, David Swig, now writing for the Atlantic

00:48:34.000 reports this quote, a new study suggests that almost half of those hospitalized with COVID-19 have mild

00:48:40.860 or asymptomatic cases. Um, some COVID patients need extensive medical interventions such as getting

00:48:47.400 intubated. Others need, others require supplemental oxygen or administration of the steroid,

00:48:52.620 dexamethasone, uh, dexamethasone, but there are many COVID patients in the hospital with fairly mild

00:48:58.760 symptoms too, who have been admitted for further observation on account of their comorbidities or

00:49:04.260 because they reported feeling short of breath. Another portion of the patients in this tally are

00:49:08.620 in the hospital for something unrelated to COVID and discovered that they were infected only because

00:49:13.760 they were tested upon admission. How many patients fall into each category has been a topic of much

00:49:18.240 speculation. In August, researchers from Harvard medical school, Tufts medical center, and the

00:49:24.180 veterans affairs healthcare system decided to find out, uh, did they need a treatment for COVID or was

00:49:29.800 there some other reason for admission like cancer treatment or psychiatric or a psychiatric episode?

00:49:34.560 And the COVID diagnosis was merely incidental. According to the researchers, 40 to 45% of the

00:49:40.760 hospitalizations that they examined were for patients in the latter group. Um, and these are, are being

00:49:49.380 counted as COVID hospitalizations. I just don't believe from what we know that it's true that most

00:49:55.680 hospitals are overwhelmed because of COVID. Definitely not in the pediatric ICU, which is what we've been

00:50:02.540 hearing. Um, they're experiencing a big wave of serious RSV, which actually does kill infants. And just as an

00:50:08.640 aside, consider why so far we haven't seen a huge push for an RSV vaccine, even though it has been

00:50:16.220 very dangerous and even deadly to children for a very long time. I don't know, just something to

00:50:20.540 think about. Uh, I think that, you know, the overwhelmed hospitals because of COVID, I think

00:50:25.500 that's, you know, the case in some places. I don't doubt the people who, some of the people, the nurses

00:50:30.460 who are saying that, especially those of you who follow me, who say that's true. I'm not, I'm not doubting

00:50:34.500 you, but I think, and actually I know that most hospitals are also short staffed and that you see

00:50:39.720 this little phrase, staffed beds are full in some ICUs and some hospitals, which actually means it's

00:50:46.040 a staffing shortage, not a bed resources shortage. Um, people are coming in also for things that they

00:50:52.160 weren't coming in for last year because they were still shut inside their homes. They were scared of

00:50:55.540 getting COVID. And so hospitals are also overwhelmed for that reason. Um, and I, I really do fail to

00:51:02.140 understand how your neighbor is all that affected in light of everything that we just noted is all

00:51:09.760 that affected by you getting this particular vaccine. Now I am actually fine with what the

00:51:16.260 governor said. Um, you know, I'm actually fine with some people saying that they believe that a vaccine

00:51:22.960 or any development of modern medicine is a gift from God. I think that there are many forms of modern

00:51:28.340 medicine and treatments and preventatives today that are what we call gifts of common grace. That

00:51:33.840 means they're not exclusive to Christians. They are by God's grace available to everyone. So good food,

00:51:38.740 beautiful mountains, sex. These are all examples of gifts of common grace, but for whatever reason,

00:51:45.620 you may not believe that this vaccine is a gift to us from God. And the truth is,

00:51:52.180 this is an area that belief and however that belief manifests itself, um, is an area of Christian

00:51:59.320 liberty. So it's not a salvation issue. It's not something that the Bible speaks explicitly to. And that's

00:52:05.140 really the big thing here. That's one of the big problems that I have with this speech, because what

00:52:09.620 we're seeing and what she's saying is spiritual manipulation. I mean, this is the kind of stuff that

00:52:13.540 you hear from like those prosperity televangelists who tell you that God told them to tell you

00:52:20.260 that God wanted you to do something that's actually not in the Bible, but I want you to do it anyway.

00:52:26.520 God is telling me that you need to give me $15, just $15. And that backache that you got will be

00:52:34.000 released from you. Can you tell that I've seen this kind of stuff before? That's what the, that's like

00:52:38.860 the same vibe in her little vaccinated necklace. It's like so obvious that this is worship. This is

00:52:44.760 worship for some people. I mean, as Christians, we know God's will. We know what God wants us to do. Yes,

00:52:51.480 we have to discern how the Bible applies to different ways, uh, you know, in different ways to different

00:52:57.160 areas of our lives. But we know from scripture, it's to love God and love our neighbors. And he shows us

00:53:02.920 how to do that in scripture. So whether or not that includes getting a vaccine or wearing a mask really

00:53:09.420 depends on a variety of factors. It's not un-Christ-like to get the vaccine, nor do I believe

00:53:15.740 it's necessarily Christ-like to get it. But you see how this has become not just a religion for some

00:53:22.640 people, but really more of a cult because they've got the telltale signs of a quote of a cult, which is

00:53:28.380 co-opting, um, you know, language and concepts from Christianity and then applying it to doctrines that

00:53:35.200 have nothing to do with Christianity. Um, and this, you know, in the midst of her saying

00:53:41.060 that they are, uh, in the midst of her saying that they are actually going to

00:53:47.440 allow hospitals to fire healthcare workers who don't get the vaccine again, for a variety of

00:53:53.880 reasons and bring in the national guard. Are they trained in the same way that nurses are? I mean,

00:53:59.520 this is just insane. You can't say that that's for health. How can you say that that is for health?

00:54:05.200 I mean, I honestly, like if we are seeing a bunch of healthcare professionals

00:54:10.520 walk out of their jobs and protest this mandate, don't you think we should listen to them? I mean,

00:54:16.860 these are people who, again, we're on the front lines at the height of the pandemic. We're willing

00:54:21.680 to get sick even when we thought that, oh, maybe this is like a 5% death rate for everyone. Those

00:54:27.020 people were still going to work every day and now they're getting fired. Like even as, as you know,

00:54:32.740 we noted earlier, there are thousands and thousands of migrants who are being untested and unvaccinated

00:54:37.800 being imported into the United States. Ask yourself again, do you think that this is for public health?

00:54:44.740 It's hard for me to believe that. It's very hard. And I don't know. I don't know the reasons for it.

00:54:50.360 I think things start to make a lot more sense when you just kind of allow yourself to accept the fact

00:54:55.500 that some choices are just being made for destruction. Like they're purposely bad choices.

00:55:02.120 They're purposely hypocritical. They're purposely duplicitous. They are purposely manipulative.

00:55:08.100 And actually the point is destruction. The point is chaos. I don't like to believe that even about

00:55:13.860 administrations that I didn't vote for. Like I pray for this administration. I pray for the people

00:55:18.760 in charge, no matter whether they have an R or a D by their name. Um, but it's, it, everything makes a

00:55:26.320 lot more sense if I say, okay, what would be the worst possible choice to make the worst possible

00:55:31.100 message to convey in this situation? Or what would be the best message to convey if I wanted things to

00:55:35.820 go really badly? Um, and then, and then, you know, Biden tends to fill in the blanks. The people in

00:55:43.200 charge tend to make that decision and use those, uh, use those means to get their point across.

00:55:49.620 All right. Um, that's all we've got on, on that front. So let me play you, um, one or two,

00:55:57.340 it depends on how much time we don't have that much more time, but, uh, one or two would you

00:56:01.920 rathers and I will give my answer to it. So first, would you rather, I happen to know it's from Chloe.

00:56:08.280 I don't know what the would you rather is though. So let's go ahead and play that.

00:56:11.640 Hi, Allie. This is Chloe. We met at March for the Martyrs this past weekend and my would you

00:56:17.840 rather is, would you rather have to wear low waisted jeans forever or your hair be permanently

00:56:25.680 styled with a middle part? Chloe, it was so great to meet you and your husband and your cute little

00:56:32.200 baby son. Um, and I, she came up to me at March for Martyrs and I was like, dude, she, she wanted to

00:56:38.500 tell me her, would you rather right then? I said, no, you have to leave a voicemail. I'm so glad

00:56:41.560 you did. So if you guys have been following me, especially on Instagram, you know, I have

00:56:45.240 protested my hill to die on has been this resurgence of low rise jeans, which absolutely

00:56:50.680 no one asked for, nor do they need. And the resurgence of the middle part, like we're going

00:56:57.200 back to 2000 and you know why I, I was never able to wear low rise jeans. Plus I was like

00:57:02.800 too young. I was like nine years old when low rise jeans were cool, but it's just not,

00:57:05.960 not my body type doesn't look good on me. I actually don't know anyone who looks better

00:57:11.400 in low rise jeans than they do. And just like your regular jeans, like there's absolutely

00:57:15.940 no reason for that. Now, you know, Abercrombie and Hollister are super excited. They thought

00:57:21.000 that they were just going to go bankrupt. And now they're like, yes, low rise jeans are back

00:57:25.380 and we can maybe, you know, sell this to Gen Z. And then we've got the middle part, which

00:57:30.100 I literally look like a different person. And I know I'm going to get a barrage of messages

00:57:34.400 from you guys being like, show us your middle part. No, I won't. I won't. I will spare you

00:57:39.420 that. So would I rather have to do middle part or low rise jeans forever? That's really,

00:57:50.060 really hard. Oh my gosh. I guess, I guess low rise jeans. I guess, oh my gosh. I can't

00:57:56.420 believe I said that, but I would just have to wear like a really long shirt forever. Or

00:58:00.880 can I just like not wear jeans? Because I also don't like to wear jeans. I'm wearing

00:58:05.600 them today. But I guess that I can't hide. I can't hide the middle part. And I would probably

00:58:11.680 lose my job. Like Blaze TV would probably be like, we can't sit you in front of a camera

00:58:16.120 anymore. What are you doing? So I'm going to have to go with the low rise jeans. All

00:58:20.100 right. Do we have one more? Can we do one more?

00:58:22.060 Hi, this is Holly. I'm calling with some virtue signaling. Would you rather? Would you rather

00:58:29.060 wear AOC's tax the rich dress to a dinner party or wear a mask with one of those mouthpiece

00:58:37.540 holes in it to a dinner party? So you can be wearing the mask the entire time, even while

00:58:42.380 you're eating. Thanks, Allie. I love your show.

00:58:44.940 I love your little I love your little sign off. I love the little like

00:58:49.100 AOC's tax the rich versus a mask with like a mouth, a mouth hole. Oh my gosh, that'd be so

00:58:58.720 embarrassing. Both of them would be so embarrassing. Probably the tax the rich because then I could

00:59:05.360 just be like, oh, irony. Like I am, you know, it's funny. I'm kind of making fun of AOC.

00:59:10.720 Probably, uh, probably, probably that, probably that one. That's really difficult. Okay. Let's,

00:59:16.300 I got to stop, but let me think if I can just like think of, think of one as it comes to me.

00:59:23.400 Okay. Would you rather, um, let's see, would you rather text your, I'll give you an option,

00:59:32.400 just different stages in your life. Would you rather text either your father-in-law or your boss

00:59:38.760 or your English professor, give you some different options and say, um, uh, hey,

00:59:48.320 I just wanted you to know that, um, I have been, um, uh, I don't even know what I'm, how I'm going

00:59:57.500 to finish this sentence. I'm like Michael Scott. Like sometimes you start a sentence and you don't

01:00:00.880 even know how you're, how you're going to finish it. I've been thinking of you and I just wanted you

01:00:05.140 to know that you are, um, a right, a rising star and whatever I can do to help you in your career.

01:00:12.180 Let me know. So father-in-law, your boss or your English professor, um, text them, let them know

01:00:17.420 that they're a rising star. And if you can do them any favors in their career to let you know,

01:00:22.160 or would you rather have to, every time someone says hello to you, um, either in passing or someone

01:00:33.700 that, you know, before you say anything to them, you have to quack like a duck. So you say quack

01:00:39.300 and then you can go on with your life. But every single time someone approaches you, greets you,

01:00:43.040 you have to say quack, or would you rather text your father-in-law, your English professor, or your boss,

01:00:48.060 tell them that they're doing a great job that you've been thinking about them. And they're a rising star,

01:00:52.160 in their field, and you can help them, uh, with their profession. However, you know, however they

01:00:57.780 need. Think through those situations, really think about the repercussions of both of them.

01:01:02.080 And then let me know, let me know what your response is. All right. Uh, that's all I've got

01:01:07.240 time for today. We'll be back here tomorrow talking about a whole host of things. Um, and I've got a

01:01:11.260 guest coming on that's going to lend her expertise. So I'll see you guys then.

01:01:22.160 I'll see you guys then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 28, 2021

Ep 496 ｜ 'Vaccine Apostles'： How the COVID Cult Hurts People

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