Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 503 ｜ Now Is the Time to Double Down ｜ Guest： Chris Rufo

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Wow,

00:00:15.820 wow, wow. I am very fired up. I was fired up coming into the studio this morning because

00:00:20.720 there is a lot going on right now. We're going to talk about all of it this week, or I'm

00:00:26.000 going to try to talk about all of it this week. Southwest Airlines, this is probably the biggest

00:00:30.760 story going on right now, had to cancel over 1,000 flights, I think almost 2,000 flights over

00:00:36.460 the weekend, apparently because of employees walking off the job in protest of the vaccine

00:00:42.940 mandate. Now, that's not being covered by the media, so we're kind of relying, including myself,

00:00:48.460 I'm relying on people who work for this airline to tell me what's going on. There are many

00:00:53.240 conservative journalists who are kind of in the same boat. Southwest is saying it had something

00:00:58.260 to do with weather. That's why a bunch of flights got canceled going in and out of Florida, but

00:01:04.760 other airlines did not have to cancel their flights going in and out of Florida, and people in Florida

00:01:09.060 are like, what the heck, our weather is fine. It turns out that at least from voices on the inside,

00:01:15.240 they are saying that people are protesting this vaccine mandate. We're hearing rumblings of other

00:01:21.320 airlines who have mandated the vaccine, like American Airlines, that this is going to happen

00:01:26.920 as well. Thankfully, the unions, which I'm not a big fan of what unions have become. I understand and

00:01:34.900 appreciate the original need for labor unions, but they have become these very left-wing bureaucratic

00:01:45.600 bodies that mostly exist for themselves and their own power and not actually representing

00:01:50.540 workers' needs and speaking truth to power and all of that. But in this case, it seems like the airline

00:01:55.860 unions, the pilots' unions and just the airline unions in general are actually pushing back against

00:02:04.560 these mandates. And from what I have learned, there are just a few thousand pilots at Southwest Air that

00:02:12.360 are saying, no, either, no, they're not getting the vaccine or they have gotten the vaccine and

00:02:18.220 they're simply pushing back against what they see as an unjust and tyrannical mandate. And you know

00:02:24.980 what? Good for you. Good for you. Good for you, pilots. Good for you, flight attendants. I truly,

00:02:32.440 sincerely feel for everyone whose plans were disrupted over the weekend. Like there truly are few things

00:02:38.500 more stressful than being stranded at an airport and getting a flight canceled. I had to fly over

00:02:43.380 this weekend. Um, I don't travel that much, but I had to go to places this weekend and I actually had

00:02:50.300 to fly three different airlines, which is very unique to me. I'm typically, uh, an American airlines

00:02:56.240 girl. It's just what I've always flown. Um, but I didn't fly Southwest at all this weekend. And I'm like,

00:03:01.640 Oh, thank you Lord for your providence and helping me get home because I would really hate to be

00:03:06.600 stranded in Detroit where I was or stranded anywhere. But, uh, that's where I was on, uh, on

00:03:12.740 Saturday. And so I'm very thankful, very thankful for that because I really feel for the people who

00:03:19.020 are stranded at airports, even as I am fully supportive. I'm fully supportive of everyone who is

00:03:25.840 pushing back, um, in this way, like to pilots, to teachers, to flight attendants, to nurses that are

00:03:33.560 pushing back against this in a peaceful and effective way, hold the freaking line. Like this

00:03:39.620 fight matters. It absolutely matters. This is not an anti-vaccine stance. Although there are people who

00:03:46.900 are, uh, against, uh, the vaccine. Okay. That's fine. But more than anything, like the mass protests

00:03:52.920 that you are seeing around the world, the protests that you are seeing here that very often aren't

00:03:57.560 covered by the media, the boycotts that you're seeing, the walking off of jobs that you, um, are

00:04:04.360 seeing. It's a big, massive pushback against these mandates, against these passports that are a huge,

00:04:13.300 uh, infringement upon people's liberty and their ability to provide for their families. And honestly,

00:04:20.760 I just have so little understanding at this point of Christians who don't see what's happening, 1.00

00:04:26.840 who don't see this as a huge infringement upon people's liberty, who don't see this as an

00:04:32.120 injustice, who don't see why, uh, all of these different restrictions, regulations and mandates

00:04:37.240 and passports have a cumulative effect of oppression and totalitarianism. How do you not see that that's

00:04:43.300 where we're headed? Like if you are someone over the past year who has talked about police brutality,

00:04:48.000 and yet you're looking at what's going on in Australia, where people are being beaten in the streets

00:04:52.620 because of, because they're peacefully protesting, you don't have anything to say about that. Or maybe

00:04:57.660 you think that's good. Or maybe you think the police should be enforcing these vaccine mandates and

00:05:02.100 vaccine passports and mask wearing and all of that. You're a giant hypocrite and you don't see what's

00:05:07.500 going on. Like too many people did not pay attention in history class when it, when it came to the history

00:05:15.760 of the 20th century and the patterns that we see leading up to totalitarianism. So many people are

00:05:22.800 just so dedicated to believing that everything is well and good, that the right is always blowing

00:05:29.340 things out of proportion, that everything is fine. It's okay that Australia, parts of Australia have

00:05:33.880 become a police state. It's okay that pastors are getting arrested in places like Canada. Oh, maybe they

00:05:39.340 deserve it. Maybe it's really for our public health. It's fine that there's a mandate that is causing

00:05:43.760 thousands of nurses to quit, apparently in the midst of a pandemic that's putting a strain on our 0.52

00:05:48.640 hospitals. Oh, it's fine that military servicemen and women who signed up to pay the ultimate

00:05:54.040 sacrifice are now being booted out of the military because they won't get a vaccine that for a disease

00:06:00.420 that they probably have natural immunity for. Or if they don't, they simply don't want to get the

00:06:05.480 vaccine and that choice should be honored. Oh, that's all fine. It's just a mask. It's just another

00:06:10.540 restriction. It's just a mandate. It's, you know, just the Biden administration saying that they are

00:06:17.860 going to cut antibody supply to these certain Southern states that won't go along with his

00:06:24.120 authoritarian mandates. It's fine. It's all for public health. You're asleep. You're asleep. And I

00:06:29.440 just have so little patience for that anymore. How do you not see what's going on? How do you not see it?

00:06:34.860 I don't know. I don't know. And then what we're talking about today, we're talking about Merrick

00:06:41.660 Garland mobilizing the FBI against concerned public school parents. We're going to talk to Chris Rufo.

00:06:47.260 He is a journalist who has been one of the loudest and most persistent voices against critical theory

00:06:52.400 in both the government and in schools. I don't see how anyone could look at this story that we're

00:06:59.600 going to talk about today. The other stories that I just mentioned, and gosh, I haven't even talked

00:07:03.660 about the supply chain issues. The fact that there are shipping containers all around outside of the

00:07:07.900 United States that can't actually unload all of their supplies because we have a worker shortage. 0.97

00:07:14.460 The fact that the Biden administration claimed that they were going to add, you know, half a million

00:07:19.280 jobs last month. It was less than 200 million or two. Sorry. Yeah. Half a million jobs. 200,000 jobs

00:07:25.920 were only added last month. The economic crisis that we are going through and are about to go through.

00:07:31.520 I haven't even talked about all of that. How do you not see what's going on that we are being

00:07:35.220 destroyed from the inside? How do you not see it? Anyway, we only have time to talk about one of

00:07:41.240 these things today. We'll talk about the rest of them, uh, for the rest of the week, but we're going

00:07:46.240 to talk about this. Uh, we're going to talk about this memo from the attorney general today and what it

00:07:52.800 all means. And then I'll have, um, just a couple words of encouragement at the end for you.

00:08:03.760 Chris, thank you so much for joining us again. So I noticed in the memo that it doesn't actually

00:08:10.340 say anything about critical race theory. Um, in your tweet, you talk about how this seems to be,

00:08:16.640 um, a referendum on the parents who are pushing back against critical race theory. So can you tell

00:08:22.560 us how you kind of got there? Yeah, well, you know, at first it was, uh, kind of a hypothesis,

00:08:29.820 but now we've actually confirmed it. So America first legal led by Stephen Miller, uh, has uncovered

00:08:34.980 evidence that he's now sent, uh, to the department of justice, that this was really a kind of inside

00:08:40.380 job. This was a request that originated within the department of justice and the FBI. Uh, they farmed it

00:08:45.820 out to the national school boards association, uh, asking them to request it, to give them a

00:08:51.420 pretext. And then the national schools boards association, original letter, which came out just

00:08:55.900 a few days before the attorney general's announcement, uh, requested that not only the attorney general

00:09:01.220 unleashed the FBI on parents, uh, but that he classified some parent protesters as domestic terrorists

00:09:07.740 and prosecute them under the Patriot Act. Um, and then what we're seeing now, and I have a document,

00:09:13.000 uh, request a FOIA request that I will confirm this. And we're also getting this from reports from

00:09:18.060 America first legal is that this is a really a collusion between the teachers unions, the national

00:09:23.940 school board association, the Biden administration to take the heat off of these school administrators

00:09:30.260 that have been under tremendous pressure from parents and then unleash the state against them.

00:09:35.080 Uh, it's something extraordinary, uh, that I think we haven't seen in a long time.

00:09:39.320 And to those who say, and I know that you've talked about this many times, I've talked about

00:09:43.940 it as well to, to those who still say, because I'm still seeing this a lot, not just from elected

00:09:49.940 officials, but, um, just from people in the public sphere saying, look, critical race theory is not

00:09:57.180 being taught in schools. These parents who are pushing back or just believing some grand conspiracy

00:10:02.160 theory, or maybe they're even racist as one candidate for governor said in Virginia, Terry McAuliffe.

00:10:08.760 Um, can you give us just some examples of what it might look like for critical race theory, which was

00:10:14.000 once kind of an obscure collegiate legal theory being taught in grade school?

00:10:19.880 Yeah. Well, I mean, it, what I think is happening is that they're playing what I call a linguistic shell

00:10:25.340 game. They're using the definition of words. They're changing them. They're hiding them. They're moving

00:10:30.100 them in order to confuse parents in order to shift the blame in order to avoid responsibility. But, uh, you have to

00:10:37.600 know the principles of critical race theory to know whether critical race theory is being taught.

00:10:41.860 So if you see something like white privilege, uh, white fragility, internalized, uh, white supremacy,

00:10:47.720 uh, if you see unconscious bias, which is derives from critical race theory, all of these key terms,

00:10:54.520 often diversity, equity, and inclusion, not always, but I think more often than not adopts the principles

00:11:00.520 of critical race theory into its pedagogy. So if you're seeing any of these key terms or buzzwords,

00:11:06.380 uh, you are finding whether they label it critical race theory or not, the key tenets of critical race

00:11:13.320 theory, which divides the world into oppressor oppressed by racial categories, uh, which advocates

00:11:18.440 for, you know, really, uh, uh, uh, uh, crushing, uh, existing, uh, liberties, freedoms, constitutional

00:11:24.860 guarantees in order to liberate the country in their word, uh, from racism and oppression.

00:11:31.640 Yep. And this is not just some kind of random deduction that you're doing or labeling every,

00:11:37.900 um, you know, social justice, racial justice phrase is critical race theory, or especially any,

00:11:45.140 um, teaching about racism as critical race theory. Like you can read, for example, Richard Delgado's

00:11:51.540 introduction to critical race theory as I have, and you see where all of those ideas originated.

00:11:58.540 This is not an attempt to call everything that we don't like or every controversial teaching

00:12:03.580 critical race theory. It truly does originate from the ideas of the original, uh, critical race

00:12:11.200 theorists. Part of the problem is that this is actually supposed to be an obscure legal theory,

00:12:17.600 obviously one that I don't agree with, but that's where it's supposed to live. And yet these elementary

00:12:23.060 school, middle school, high school teachers who are not at all even trained in this legal theory

00:12:28.620 are trying to boil it down in its most crudest, in its crudest forms and, uh, teaching them to kids.

00:12:36.740 What's going to be the effect of this? Do you think if they are continued to be allowed to do so?

00:12:43.000 Well, there's two ways of looking at it. One is that, uh, American public schools in many cases

00:12:47.780 are so incompetent. Uh, they have trouble teaching anything. Hopefully they will have trouble teaching

00:12:52.640 this, but I think more likely is that this seeps into the background knowledge of kids. And I think

00:13:00.160 what I've heard from parents over and over is that when they're teaching intersectionality,

00:13:03.880 privilege, oppression studies, et cetera, um, it, it, it creates a kind of guilt and shame complex among

00:13:11.520 majority race kids, but also creates a kind of fatalism and fear complex within minority kids.

00:13:18.920 You know, I had a father who was a interracial couple in Arizona. Uh, he actually ended up speaking

00:13:24.200 out at the school board meeting, you know, black father, white mother. And he said, this is ripping

00:13:28.380 my family apart. It's filling my kids with fear. Uh, you know, they, my, my 10 year old is now asking

00:13:34.040 to sleep in, in, in, in the bed with mom and dad again, because he's, he was terrified by what the

00:13:39.380 lessons that they learned during black history month, which should be a celebration of black 0.96

00:13:43.660 achievement and black resilience in the United States. Uh, but this father said it, it, it filled

00:13:48.540 him with fear that he would be hunted down and murdered by the police at any moment, uh, that he couldn't

00:13:53.320 ever succeed in life. And I think we're seeing now enough of these examples where they're saying

00:13:57.840 not just that there has been historical groups of people in the United States with power and

00:14:02.660 privilege, which is absolutely true and should be taught extensively, honestly, sometimes even

00:14:07.900 brutally, but it's saying that you five-year-old, six-year-old, seven-year-old by virtue of your

00:14:13.480 skin color are inherently oppressive. You are responsible for the collective crimes of the 1.00

00:14:18.680 past committed by people who look like you. It's one thing to teach honest history. 0.97

00:14:23.320 It's a quite another thing to teach critical race theory.

00:14:26.500 Exactly. And that's the accusation that, um, people, teachers, parents are getting from the left

00:14:32.860 that, um, people who are pushing back on this just don't want anyone to talk about racism or they don't

00:14:39.880 want anyone to talk about, um, you know, the history of white supremacy or slavery or Jim Crow in the

00:14:46.120 United States. And that's not true at all. And not only do I believe that those things should be

00:14:51.640 taught at the right time in the right way, but I actually think that critical race theory

00:14:55.820 gets in the way of, of teaching those ugly points in American history accurately. Because if you are

00:15:02.880 only looking at history through the lens of black oppressed and white oppressor, then you're missing

00:15:09.800 a lot of, uh, nuance. You're missing a lot of, uh, nuance. You're missing a lot of in between. You are

00:15:15.220 missing the other reasons that other kinds of injustice happen. Like you are teaching a form of

00:15:23.600 morality that is based on skin color and not based on actual character, not based on motive, not based on

00:15:30.780 intention, not based on things that actually happened in the outcomes that were actually, uh, that were

00:15:38.540 actually exacted. Uh, you unfortunately are giving kids not only an inaccurate look at history, but also

00:15:48.440 I think an inaccurate look of what it means to be good, what it means to be evil, because you're actually

00:15:54.060 reducing it down to people's skin color and these very, um, often inaccurate categories of bad versus

00:16:02.260 good as white versus black. And so I just imagine it's not only oppressive to kids' minds, but it's 1.00

00:16:09.000 very confusing and it actually inhibits them from being able to learn things accurately and well.

00:16:16.500 I think that's right. And what you see throughout the critical race theory literature, I've read,

00:16:20.880 you know, thousands and thousands of pages of this stuff over the last year is that, uh, it's at

00:16:25.800 heart, a philosophy of racial pessimism. Uh, and the founder of critical race theory, Harvard law

00:16:30.760 professor, Derek Bell says very explicitly that racism is a permanent and indestructible force in

00:16:36.420 the United States. It was the foundation of this country and it will always be the foundation of this

00:16:41.400 country. It will always be essentially the most important thing. You can boil down anything in the

00:16:46.320 United States to racism, racism, racism. And again, I think as, as you're saying, as I'm saying,

00:16:52.640 obviously the United States has a history of racial injustice, sometimes really brutal, evil,

00:16:58.260 and horrific injustice, uh, which we should reckon with, which we should explain to people,

00:17:03.400 which we should teach in schools. Uh, absolutely. Uh, but you also have to not have a one dimensional

00:17:09.780 story of the United States as evil only and evil always. You also have to teach the story of the 0.61

00:17:16.460 United States's highest ideals first declared in the founding fought over and consecrated in blood

00:17:22.600 during the civil war, uh, codified into law in the 1960s. Uh, and then now I think now seeping into the

00:17:28.320 culture. I think most people in the United States, uh, today are probably the most tolerant people, uh,

00:17:34.580 in the history of the world. I mean, we have people from every country on the planet, uh, and we have

00:17:40.000 a peaceful, productive, cooperative society. Uh, and how did that happen? If the United States is

00:17:45.720 a permanently, essentially, uh, just a kind of racist oppressor nation, how have we built the good

00:17:52.180 things that we've built over the centuries? Critical race theory doesn't have an answer to that. And

00:17:56.720 therefore it's a one dimensional philosophy. It's a philosophy of racial pessimism. It's a philosophy 0.89

00:18:02.060 that will kill, that will fill kids, not with a sense of hope and optimism and possibility,

00:18:07.360 but a sense of despair. That's not, I think what we should be teaching our kids. And, and importantly,

00:18:13.140 I think this is a crucial point. According to polling data, uh, recent polling data in the 20

00:18:19.200 fastest growing cities. So places that are diversifying quickly, parents from every racial category,

00:18:25.080 white, black, Asian, Latino, all oppose critical race theory in the classroom. And together,

00:18:31.780 as a whole, they oppose it by a 42 point margin. I mean, it's just overwhelming people of all racial

00:18:39.000 backgrounds do not want this in the classroom. Yeah. No one wants their kid to learn to hate

00:18:44.060 themselves or to hate someone of a different skin color. I mean, that's supposed, that's the exact

00:18:48.640 opposite direction that we are supposed to be going. And that I think that we were going for a long

00:18:53.000 time. It seems like over the past 10 or so, but especially the past six or so years, I mean,

00:19:00.520 we have turned a very dark corner. I was actually looking at, um, a Gallup poll recently that asked

00:19:07.960 people what they think the, you know, black Americans, white Americans, how they feel about

00:19:12.220 race relations in the United States. It's the worst that it's been at least in 30 years, black and white 1.00

00:19:19.100 Americans feel that we are very divided among race. Now, how can that be possible? If as the critical

00:19:26.480 race theorists say that critical race theory is supposed to make us reckon with our history,

00:19:31.280 that it's supposed to bring us together, we're supposed to find some kind of restoration and

00:19:36.260 reconciliation by, you know, reckoning with that we really started in 1619 on slavery and not on all

00:19:43.720 of these very good founding ideals that are found in our founding documents. It's obvious that these

00:19:49.100 kinds of principles, which really became more popularized and mainstream while Barack Obama was

00:19:53.500 president, um, it's obvious that it has torn us apart, which is in its nature. That is what critical

00:19:59.800 race theory is and does. Like you said, it believes that America essentially has to, we have to start

00:20:06.600 back at zero and rebuild something different in order for, you know, people to be liberated and equal

00:20:12.940 and equitable and, and all of that. But it has no, um, it doesn't have in its nature and it has no

00:20:21.180 suggestion for how we build from zero. It only has plans for destruction and division. It doesn't

00:20:27.000 have any plans to actually bring us together and build. Do you agree with that? Yeah, that's right.

00:20:31.700 And that's one of the most striking things when you actually read the literature of critical race

00:20:35.920 theory, you go through, you read the books and you say, okay, you know, point, point, point diagnosis

00:20:41.760 of the problem, problem, problem. And what should we do about it? And on this point, the critical race 0.86

00:20:46.060 theories are more or less silent. They have very little to offer in the way of practical solutions,

00:20:50.880 but what you see at the kind of end of a lot of these essays or, uh, in the kind of margins of a lot

00:20:56.960 of these books is that they default to the old leftist ideology that has always animated that political

00:21:03.400 movement. Uh, they want to seize and redistribute property. They want to severely limit or restrict the

00:21:10.300 first amendment. They want to, in essence, abolish the spirit of the 14th amendment, replacing equal

00:21:16.580 protection with group identity-based protection. Uh, and then they want to, uh, subvert and destroy

00:21:22.500 the system of free enterprise and capitalism, uh, and want to install a bureaucracy with an almost

00:21:28.280 totalitarian reach, uh, in order to enforce their ideology of quote unquote anti-racism. And then you

00:21:35.440 get, uh, the kind of outlines of a system that looks not much different than the kind of bureaucratic

00:21:42.800 socialist regimes of the 20th century, which all ended in disaster. So, uh, if you're looking for

00:21:49.100 hope, if you're looking for solutions, you're not going to find it with CRT.

00:21:53.640 No, you're not. And what's interesting to me is that, you know, they've been saying the same things

00:21:57.940 for a very long time. I picked up a book by Thomas Sowell that was read, uh, that was written in 1984

00:22:03.180 and it was called civil rights, rhetoric or reality. I think it's rhetoric or reality. And he addresses

00:22:09.120 all of the things that we're talking about because they've been around for a few decades now. I assume

00:22:14.240 that that is the reason why the media doesn't elevate Thomas Sowell as an influential black

00:22:18.660 voice that we should be listening to because he has destroyed all of these arguments with basic

00:22:23.100 economic data for a very long time. And what it comes down to really for critical race theorists,

00:22:29.660 as you just said, is power. It's about power. It's as you know, all communists, uh, are they,

00:22:37.260 they're always about power. And I think we see this even today in something like the push for

00:22:43.720 vaccine passports, Ibram X. Kendi, who kind of, you know, he draws a lot of inspiration from

00:22:49.940 critical race theorists, even though he would say maybe he doesn't, um, his whole shtick is that

00:22:55.520 any law that has the impact or the outcome of a disparate impact on black and brown Americans

00:23:01.380 is racist. It is the impact, not the intent. Um, and so considering that the majority of black 1.00

00:23:09.080 Americans, there's the highest percentage of, um, uh, of people in, in black Americans that are

00:23:15.560 unvaccinated things like vaccine passports will disproportionately affect black Americans.

00:23:22.040 And according to Ibram X. Kendi and other critical race theorists, that is then by their definition

00:23:26.840 racist. And yet I see maybe a few black lives matter people talking up, uh, talking or standing

00:23:32.480 up about the, uh, for that, uh, against that, pushing back against that in places like New York

00:23:37.180 city. But for the most part, I don't see Robin DiAngelo and Ibram X. Kendi and a bunch of Democrats

00:23:41.940 on the left who call themselves anti-racist pushing back against things like vaccine passports,

00:23:46.900 even though they will disparately disproportionately affect black Americans. Why do you think that

00:23:51.860 is? Well, it's actually, there's a twist to the story. Ibram Kendi spoke, uh, in Minneapolis,

00:23:57.300 I believe a few weeks ago and, uh, the Twitter account, uh, myth informed, uh, went to the event,

00:24:03.480 asked him, do you think vaccine passports are racist? Kendi, because he knows where his bread

00:24:08.300 is buttered. He knows, uh, that he doesn't want to offend the greater project of the left said, well,

00:24:13.360 no vaccine passports aren't racist. Healthcare is racist and society is racist and history is racist,

00:24:19.880 which, which leads to things that may look like, uh, racist outcomes, but aren't. Uh, and, and,

00:24:26.480 and, and, and I mean, stumbled into this, this ridiculous thing, got exposed and embarrassed

00:24:30.680 on Twitter. And then, uh, surprise, surprise, Twitter just hunted down and took down all of

00:24:36.100 these videos. Uh, you know, yeah, they did. They took down the videos with, with really no explanation.

00:24:41.260 Um, uh, and then, you know, temporarily, uh, block the accounts of people who were posting them,

00:24:47.380 uh, to protect Ibram Kendi's reputation because he had botched this question so bad. Uh, and,

00:24:52.780 you know, I don't think vaccine passports are racist. I think vaccine passports are a bad idea. 0.97

00:24:57.600 I think they're a violation of our liberties. I think they're unnecessary. Right. I think they're

00:25:01.280 a path towards a kind of state of being that we really don't want. Um, but certainly the anti-racist

00:25:09.220 should be consistent, but what we see over and over is that they're not consistent because their

00:25:13.880 goal is power. Their goal is control. Their goal is to move the country left. And I think that,

00:25:19.080 uh, you have to think race is the means. Marxism is the end. Yeah. This is the kind of two-part

00:25:25.840 formula that they've used for decades that we see very clearly, uh, patterns. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm with

00:25:32.740 you. I don't buy this definition that impact, not intent, um, is, you know, is the formula or the

00:25:41.020 qualification for what is racist. So I don't think they're racist either, but gosh, like you said,

00:25:47.480 if anything, according to their definition of racism is racist, it's certainly vaccine passports,

00:25:52.880 which are not just disproportionately affecting black Americans in some like intangible way. I mean,

00:25:57.800 you're literally segregating them from society. Like you are blocking on vaccinated people,

00:26:02.760 which happen to be disproportionately black in places like New York city, you're blocking them

00:26:07.240 out of polite society. And wow, what a coward, you know, that's not the only time that Ibram X. 0.74

00:26:13.620 Kendi has been, um, exposed for something that is hypocritical. Or in this case, it was something

00:26:19.920 that wouldn't be popular on the left. He made some comment in an interview that he would be really sad

00:26:24.120 if his daughter came home and said that, you know, or his daughter, I think did come home and say that,

00:26:29.140 you know, she thinks she's a boy now. And instead of him celebrating it, he said, you know, that really

00:26:34.160 made him really sad and distressed. And that got buried real quick. You have to, I guess, protect

00:26:39.800 Ibram X. Kendi at all costs. Um, now I want to get back quickly to, uh, this DOJ, um, this DOJ memo.

00:26:49.480 What, what I want to know is, and I, I kind of, I know the answer, but I want you to tell us,

00:26:56.220 is there any evidence of concerned parents, um, threatening or causing violence towards school

00:27:04.920 administrators, school board members, at least in large numbers? Like is the DOJ justified in any

00:27:10.940 way to mobilize the FBI against allegedly violent parents? Uh, no. And I'll explain why. I mean,

00:27:18.020 if you look at the evidence outlined, the Biden administration DOJ memo cites zero evidence,

00:27:23.440 right? They cite no evidence of threats. They cite no evidence of violence, no absence of any

00:27:27.520 kind of credible, uh, claim towards domestic terrorism. Uh, but the NSBA letter, which started

00:27:33.700 this whole thing was served as a pretext, actually went through every footnote in the letter, every

00:27:38.480 report, every bit of data. And they only provided one single example of parent violence against a

00:27:45.080 school official, uh, uh, uh, an individual, 30 year old man in Chicago was being taken out of a

00:27:50.520 school meeting after disruption. Uh, and then he committed a battery against a school official.

00:27:55.940 It's not clear whether he swung at him or pushed him or her, uh, but a, a, a simple battery, which

00:28:02.480 is condemnable. You shouldn't be, uh, assaulting or committing battery against school officials or

00:28:06.500 anyone else, obviously. Uh, but it's hard. One case of a simple battery is hardly the pretext for

00:28:13.600 a national counter-terrorism investigation involving every branch of government. Um, and

00:28:19.360 guess what? Shoving a school board official is not domestic terrorism. It's something that can be

00:28:24.360 easily handled by local law enforcement. Uh, you arrest the person, you charge them, you, you take them

00:28:30.020 to trial and then, you know, at, at, at, at worst they serve a little bit of time in jail as they

00:28:34.740 should. But, uh, what they're doing is they're taking this energy that's out there and they're,

00:28:40.960 and because it's conservatives, um, they're using it as a pretext to say white supremacy, domestic

00:28:46.680 terrorism, uh, kind of criminalizing dissent. Uh, and I think what you're seeing is that you don't

00:28:53.140 need a real pretext in this society right now. Uh, MSNBC will go to great lengths to cover for you.

00:29:01.160 The New York times will go to great lengths to cover for you. They're going to present.

00:29:04.400 We'll go to great lengths to cover for you. David French might go to the greatest lengths of all.

00:29:09.240 I mean, his, his, his length is, uh, is on this stuff is, uh, endless, uh, and his hypocrisy is,

00:29:15.360 is boundless. Um, but, um, but really they know they're going to get cover from the left wing and

00:29:21.820 then kind of, kind of formerly right wing, uh, media. Um, so they can just brazenly lie to say

00:29:27.340 that parents who show up and they're angry, uh, parents who show up and they're yelling,

00:29:31.180 parents who are showing up and they're disruptive. It's not just that this is a kind of boisterous,

00:29:36.040 loud part of democracy. Uh, maybe parents should tone it down a little bit. Uh, I, I think it would

00:29:41.080 be better if they did personally, uh, but no, no boisterous, loud arguments, yelling, uh, this is

00:29:48.600 domestic terrorism. I mean, I mean, it's absolutely absurd. And, and the idea that anyone would buy

00:29:56.020 into it, uh, I, I find really disturbing because if they can use this as a pretext, um, they can use

00:30:02.900 anything as a pretext. They can come after you. And, you know, the point on, on David French,

00:30:13.840 like I have really learned a lot from what he, you know, used to write. I appreciate a lot of his

00:30:20.200 advocacy work for things like the first amendment. And I've given him the benefit of the doubt many,

00:30:25.140 many times because I don't think he's a bad, I don't think he's a bad person. His evolution,

00:30:30.860 at least in my eyes over the past couple of years has been disturbing, particularly on this. When I did

00:30:36.240 ask him, I tagged him, you know, underneath your tweet asking him, and he said that there, you know,

00:30:40.880 has been an increase in threats and things like that. And so I looked into it and the, the letter

00:30:46.420 that the NSBA sent does include a couple examples of what they consider domestic terrorism.

00:30:52.840 Apparently, according to them, there was a guy giving a Nazi salute at a meeting. One guy called

00:30:57.620 a recess at a school board meeting because of his opposition to critical race theory. Um, there was a

00:31:03.560 video that went viral reported on by the Washington post of parents in Williamson County, Tennessee,

00:31:07.900 yelling at the heck health experts called to give testimony at a four hour school board meeting in

00:31:12.520 favor of mask mandates. School board members in Loudoun County, Virginia say that they have gotten,

00:31:17.200 um, death threats. But again, to your point, and I would agree with this while we would say,

00:31:22.580 you know what, that really doesn't help our cause. Can parents try to be as respectful and raising

00:31:27.460 their ruckus as possible? Like the death threats. And of course, any kind of like Nazis, I don't even

00:31:32.400 know, um, anything like that anywhere at any time. It's never the right idea. I mean, but I think it's

00:31:43.100 like, you have to know local politics. Like I participated in local politics throughout my life

00:31:47.440 and it does attract some, some strange, some nutty people, some weird people on, on both sides. I mean,

00:31:56.360 I participated in Seattle and you get some real, uh, you know, kind of psychotic people that, that,

00:32:02.020 that show up because there's conflict. Um, and, and we should all condemn that. We should minimize

00:32:07.920 that. We should attempt to marginalize that kind of behavior. Um, but parents have a legitimate claim

00:32:13.840 and 98%, 99% of parents are just hardworking middle-class people who are showing up after work

00:32:21.760 hours on their own private time to say, Hey, look, I don't want you teaching my kid that he or she's an

00:32:27.080 oppressor. I don't want you teaching my kid that this country, uh, is out to get him. Uh, uh, and,

00:32:32.680 and these are good people with a real grievance. And I think that they're following the process.

00:32:38.580 This is how the process works. If you want change at your schools, you show up at your school board

00:32:43.400 meeting. And once we criminalize this basic form of dissent, we're not just telling parents to shut up

00:32:48.740 and sit down. Uh, we're also telling parents that the bureaucrats are in charge. Yeah. It's not you

00:32:53.960 who gets to decide what's taught, how the school runs, who gets elected, what the curriculum looks

00:32:59.060 like. No, it's the experts, the anti-racist, uh, program directors, the school board officials,

00:33:05.080 the teachers union bosses, we are in control. You're merely a kind of cash, uh, service for us.

00:33:12.760 Yeah. And that's the message that they're sending. And I think parents are really revolting against

00:33:17.720 that because they want to, they want to know that they still have democratic rights and democratic

00:33:23.100 participation, uh, within our system, especially at that local level. Yep. And it's obvious what

00:33:30.120 Democrats and bureaucrats in general think about this. Terry McAuliffe, again, running for Democrat,

00:33:35.520 running for governor in Virginia recently said, um, in an interview or no, in a debate actually

00:33:42.400 against his Republican contender that parents don't shouldn't have a say in what gets taught

00:33:48.500 in schools. And this is, that's not just one thing that said, obviously he's a mainstream Democrat,

00:33:53.480 but we have heard this kind of rhetoric coming from, um, academics coming from left-wing researchers

00:34:00.960 coming in so many words from, um, activists and politicians on the left that really parents just

00:34:07.280 need to step aside. They need to step aside for a second and realize that, uh, these teachers

00:34:13.200 teaching, not just racially divisive, um, racially divisive lessons, but also in some cases, sexually

00:34:21.200 explicit and confusing, uh, lessons and curriculum to kids. They just need to be the ones that are,

00:34:28.660 um, who are in charge and parents just kind of need to be quiet. So you would see why parents are

00:34:33.920 really frustrated about this. This is a really big deal. I mean, you're talking about the only

00:34:39.440 people in the world who have, uh, the biggest interest in their child's wellbeing, who will live

00:34:45.480 with whatever consequences, um, their, their child has to endure because of whatever they may be

00:34:52.000 learning or not learning in school. I mean, you're talking about the parents, the only ones who are

00:34:56.600 waking up in the middle of the night to comfort their child. The only people who know everything that

00:35:02.200 makes their child tick that their child loves their child hates. I mean, parents are the people who

00:35:07.400 are tasked with protecting, providing for loving their child, not the state. I mean, what right

00:35:13.760 does Terry McAuliffe or anyone in a teacher's union or school board have to say what a child should be

00:35:19.080 learning, um, in a way that trumps what the parents say. It's just so bizarre to me.

00:35:25.280 It's bizarre, but unfortunately it comes from a very long lineage. Uh, the, the writer,

00:35:29.780 Christopher Lash wrote a book called Haven in a Heartless World, where he looked at family

00:35:34.400 politics over the course of, uh, a few hundred years. And he traced the lineage of the left-wing

00:35:40.400 idea that the family is an oppressive structure. And even Lash's death, uh, in the literature of

00:35:48.720 critical race theory, they make it even more explicit. They say that, uh, the family is a,

00:35:53.480 the nuclear family or the bourgeois family is a capitalist white supremacist construct, uh, meant to

00:35:59.700 oppress children, uh, oppress women, uh, and then keep society, uh, essentially serving, uh, the 1.00

00:36:07.000 capitalist interests. And in order to break up this patriarchal racist and capitalist oppression

00:36:14.180 structure, the family, um, we actually have to undermine it at its deepest roots, which will allow

00:36:19.900 us, uh, the dent to then liberate each component part of the family, uh, liberate the wife or the woman,

00:36:26.120 uh, liberate the children, uh, from the oppression of the father, from the oppression of the greater

00:36:31.200 society. And so this has a long historical legacy. And in fact, uh, I, I did a story, uh, a scoop in

00:36:38.000 Buffalo public schools. Uh, they were teaching in as part of their official, uh, racial justice

00:36:44.320 curriculum to disrupt the nuclear Western family. They were teaching kids as young as kindergarten,

00:36:49.820 that your family is oppressive. Your family is evil. Uh, you need to be in inducted into our

00:36:55.680 politics and liberated, uh, even from your own parents. Yeah. And, and, and, you know, without

00:37:02.200 putting too fine a point on it, you see this in China's cultural revolution in the 1960s, where

00:37:07.800 they're using children, they're using young people, they're using students, uh, and turning them against

00:37:12.920 their parents, whether they're, uh, ratting them out to the authorities, whether they're hauling their

00:37:17.820 teachers, uh, out of the classroom, filling their mouths with dirt and then executing them. I mean,

00:37:23.260 you had teenagers doing this kind of stuff on behalf of the state. Um, we're not anywhere near

00:37:28.200 there. I don't mean to say that there's a parallel, uh, but certainly there is a kernel of this same

00:37:33.680 kind of cultural spirit that I, that I see in this, uh, left-wing ideology at this point, thankfully,

00:37:40.420 at least in the abstract. Yeah. And I see it. I'll say, I'll say there's a parallel, obviously not to

00:37:47.180 that level, but it all does come from the same lineage. And I mean, you saw it throughout the

00:37:52.640 20th century. You saw it in Pol Pot's Cambodia. You saw it, um, in anywhere there was totalitarianism

00:37:58.700 and in particular communism, but also fascism, especially in the 20th century, you see this

00:38:04.020 recruitment of children for the cause of the people in charge. And you see this also in the dystopian

00:38:10.780 novels like Brave New World in 1984. They both get certain things right, um, about the moment that

00:38:17.120 we're in and lots of moments throughout the past 100 years. But the one thing that both of those

00:38:21.640 books share is the disintegration of the family. And I get really disappointed when I see well-meaning

00:38:28.120 people say, um, you know, well, there are some good tenets to critical race theory that we need

00:38:32.840 to hold on to. This is mostly Christians that I'm talking to and saying, um, but not queer theory,

00:38:38.740 not the other critical theories, just critical race theory. But what you've kind of, yeah,

00:38:42.780 what you've kind of just explained is that essentially, like maybe there are different

00:38:46.860 premises, but essentially they're all the same, especially in this one sense of liberating

00:38:52.620 different people from what they see as, as, uh, oppressive hierarchies. And one of those

00:38:58.920 is the family. We see this certainly in the form of what queer theorists would call like sexual 0.67

00:39:05.280 liberation of kids. That's part of why we are seeing a lot of what parents are uncovering at

00:39:10.420 these school board meetings, reading, I mean, just sexually grotesque, glorifying things like

00:39:15.700 pedophilia and child rape in, in, uh, books that are recommended to and assigned to middle schoolers.

00:39:22.500 It's all, it's not, that's not critical race theory, but that is part of the umbrella of critical

00:39:28.560 theory, the liberation of children, the disintegration of the parent child relationship.

00:39:33.620 It all works together. Don't you think? Yeah, it does. And we're seeing all of these interlocking,

00:39:40.200 uh, theories now, uh, really come to fruition in the school systems. And it, it all starts with the

00:39:46.980 original critical theory, which in the United States came to its kind of high point in the,

00:39:51.560 in the late, uh, 1960s, early 1970s, and then spawned all of these related ideologies, whether

00:39:57.220 it's post-colonial theory or gender theory, queer theory, uh, critical pedagogy, critical race theory,

00:40:03.220 critical whiteness studies. All of these, all of these ideologies share, share as central, uh, what,

00:40:08.640 what the philosopher Herbert Marcuse called new sensibility. And they operate by negation. Uh,

00:40:14.600 it's a, it's a dialectical philosophy that operates, uh, by destroying, shredding and

00:40:19.700 undermining existing institutions, which are deemed oppressive with this idea that once you shred them,

00:40:25.300 once you destroy them, uh, those individuals that are caught in those social institutions will be

00:40:30.480 liberated. And I guess for, for my, uh, my, my, our, our, our, all of our friends, uh, who are

00:40:35.480 Christians or, or like, like me and a Catholic, um, I mean, guess what, uh, in this ideology,

00:40:42.540 the greatest oppressor of all is God. Um, it's a myth that's used, uh, in their words, uh, it's a myth

00:40:49.400 that's used to subjugate people, to habituate them to oppression, uh, to provide them sucker of,

00:40:55.820 for the afterlife, uh, while actually exploiting them in the present life. Um, you know, going all

00:41:01.960 the way back to Marx, this has been the steady line. And, uh, this is not the civil rights movement

00:41:08.380 in the 1960s, which, uh, which harkened back to two things. They predicated their philosophy on two

00:41:13.800 things, the declaration, Martin Luther King, famously student of the declaration. Uh, and then

00:41:18.940 also the Bible. These were, this was a largely Christian movement, uh, formulated and really

00:41:24.720 advanced from black churches. Uh, critical race theory likes to claim the mantle of the civil rights

00:41:30.960 movement, but it's neither an appreciator of the declaration of independence, which they'd say is

00:41:36.400 a white supremacist document, uh, nor the Bible. Uh, this is an explicitly atheist movement. Uh, so the

00:41:42.580 idea that you can kind of pick and choose like some sort of, uh, some sort of fine buffet, uh, and only

00:41:49.180 take what you want back to your, uh, back to your chair, uh, I think is false. And, uh, critical race

00:41:54.840 theory is a totalizing ideology. If you take any part of it, it's going to metastasize and grow and

00:42:01.320 spread until it can express itself fully. And this would be a disaster for families, uh, for churches,

00:42:07.360 for schools, for our country. Yep. And I was just thinking when you were talking about it, it boils

00:42:13.660 down to very often an assault on, um, fatherhood. I mean, we saw that in the Black Lives Matter 1.00

00:42:19.220 website, um, that it wouldn't mention fathers. It said mothers and parents, we want to disrupt the

00:42:24.600 nuclear family. They took that down after a lot of backlash. They put it down the memory hole, but

00:42:28.660 thankfully we have, uh, we have receipts of that. And when I think about Christianity, uh, fatherhood,

00:42:35.380 God, the father is central to, um, the eternal plan of redemption. I mean, we see that all the

00:42:42.000 way in Genesis one. And then of course the Bible also ends in a marriage of the bride and the

00:42:46.740 bridegroom, Christ and the church. And so anytime you see a specific attack on the family, anytime

00:42:52.880 you see a specific attack specifically on fatherhood, and like you said, on God himself, like, you know

00:43:00.040 that that is going to be a destructive ideology, a destructive movement. And that's what we're seeing.

00:43:04.860 Um, a couple of points. I just, I just want to make, uh, like you already talked about the fact

00:43:09.460 that we really don't see any evidence cited of this huge issue of parents, like threatening school

00:43:14.300 board members. Of course, when it happens, we condemn it, but there has been evidence, um, at

00:43:19.160 least a few instances, the other way around in Rochester, New York and Penfield central school

00:43:23.780 district, a father claims that when he told a school board member to quote, be respectful and

00:43:28.760 said, this is not about you, bud about whatever they were discussing. The board member yelled an

00:43:33.340 expletive at him, the F word, and tried to physically fight him. Uh, the daily wire uncovered

00:43:37.980 that teachers in Loudoun County, Virginia conspired together on Facebook, uh, to make a blacklist

00:43:43.680 of parents that they suspected disagreed with things like critical race theory. And as we've

00:43:49.160 already discussed, like, let's not forget what parents are actually uncovering here. What they're

00:43:53.420 uncovering is worth a lot of outrage. It's worth a lot of the energy, respectful, peaceful, but

00:43:59.400 the energy that we are seeing. I had a mom on a couple of weeks ago who said that her eighth grade

00:44:05.140 daughter in Texas was recommended, you know, 10 books by her teacher. One of those books had a child

00:44:11.760 gang, rape glorified pedophilia. A couple of books had rape. One of them opened with a how to guide

00:44:17.360 to commit suicide in a variety of ways. Um, and so why isn't that the thing that is causing outrage

00:44:25.480 from the Biden administration? Why isn't that what is, I'm not even saying that the federal government

00:44:29.740 should have any part of this, but if anything, why wouldn't that get the ire of the department of

00:44:36.040 justice? If they're going to meddle at all, why is it that the parents that are concerned about that

00:44:40.720 filth are the ones that are the threat and not the curriculum itself? Oh man, I didn't know about all

00:44:46.860 that. Um, I've seen some of these examples and they're, they're really horrific. And, and you,

00:44:51.100 you, you, you truly wonder, I mean, uh, who is running a lot of these institutions? Is this

00:44:56.700 deliberate? Is this accidental? You hope in some ways it's accidental, but then it comes up so many

00:45:01.800 times and it has to go through so many hoops in order to get there. Uh, someone should have stopped

00:45:06.860 it. And I think that, listen, we have 14,000 school districts in this country. They're supposed to

00:45:13.020 operate with, uh, independence. They're supposed to tailor their curriculum, uh, to the needs and desires

00:45:18.720 and, and democratic will of the people within those districts. We should get back to that system

00:45:24.620 so that this isn't necessarily even a national political fight. It's just handled at the local

00:45:29.700 level. Hey, look, if Berkeley, California wants to have some, some books like that, uh, in their

00:45:35.500 curriculum, you know, go for it. Uh, that's, you know, that's, that's their right in many cases.

00:45:40.400 Uh, and if, and if a district in Texas doesn't want it, that's also theirs. Uh, but what we see is a

00:45:45.740 one way ratchet, uh, where things have to get more extreme. And then any pulling back from it is seen

00:45:53.180 as a censorship and attack on free speech, uh, kind of, uh, parents who have, who have, are overstepping

00:46:00.500 their bounds, domestic terrorism. Uh, and, and I, we have to figure out a political approach to solve

00:46:06.460 this because if you say, Hey, look, I don't want critical race theory in my schools. I don't want,

00:46:10.860 uh, you know, pedophilia oriented, uh, literature as the featured book of the week for my fifth

00:46:16.660 grader. Um, that should not only be, uh, not controversial in the least, uh, it should be

00:46:23.220 easily done. It should be done immediately. Uh, and, and the fact that it's not the fact that

00:46:28.660 they're holding on the fact that they're resisting, they're digging in their heels. They're appealing to

00:46:32.720 the, to the federal government. They're really just trying to entrench themselves with this ideology

00:46:37.900 against the will of parents, uh, should be a wake up call for people. Hey, look, our institutions,

00:46:43.540 our great American institutions, uh, that, you know, defeated Nazism and fascism in World War II,

00:46:49.780 uh, that built a great country, uh, uh, you know, over this massive continent are not what they were

00:46:56.400 in the past. Uh, they're not what they were even in the 1990s. Um, they're very different. Uh, and,

00:47:02.800 and we have to treat them, uh, not necessarily as institutions to be reformed,

00:47:07.900 uh, but as institutions to be attacked, uh, because it's going to take some more aggressive

00:47:13.280 political action in order to get them, uh, to heal. Yep. We like to say, raise a respectful

00:47:19.120 ruckus. We want you to be respectful. We want you to be convincing. We want you to be peaceful

00:47:23.400 because I think peaceful can be very persuasive. That doesn't mean that you can't be boisterous

00:47:27.500 and energetic and organized. We think that you should be, or I think that you should be,

00:47:31.900 I won't speak for you, but I'm, I'm sure that you agree with that. Um, and this is an attempt

00:47:37.340 to, um, to intimidate you parents. This is an attempt to try to silence you to preemptively,

00:47:44.720 um, try to get you to stop, um, you know, uh, stop criticizing the system. Um, but my encouragement

00:47:54.660 to parents is to double down, don't back down, double down, keep raising a respectful ruckus

00:48:00.280 for the sake of your kids, because it's absolutely worth it. Um, now how can they support you, Chris,

00:48:05.600 where can they follow you and all that good stuff? Yeah, I'm, I'm most active on Twitter

00:48:09.620 at real Chris Rufo. Uh, you can also visit my website, Christopher Rufo.com. That's Christopher

00:48:14.660 Rufo.com. Uh, all of my, uh, essays, articles, videos. Um, I've also have a critical race theory

00:48:21.340 briefing book that's free for parents, uh, to give them the background on CRT, to give them

00:48:26.060 the language that they can use at school board meetings. Uh, and then you can also sign up to

00:48:30.000 support me, have a great community of, uh, now 2,500, uh, small supporters and, uh, grateful

00:48:35.640 for, uh, for everyone who does. Thank you so much. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

00:48:40.680 Thank you.

00:48:47.280 All right. I just want to give you guys a couple words of encouragement. I know that I came in hot

00:48:53.420 at the beginning of this episode. I'm still coming in hot at the end. I'm just super fired up about this

00:48:58.480 moment that we're in. And I want to see Christians and Christian leaders speaking up about this

00:49:05.540 as Christians should have spoken up in, for example, Soviet Russia. I'm not saying that we

00:49:11.440 are in the exact same place as the, the Russians were during the Soviet revolution at the beginning

00:49:17.200 of the 20th century. We're not in the exact same place, but we see similar preliminary patterns. I mean,

00:49:23.380 totalitarianism is so boring. Like it always follows the same kind of path and paths. And I hope that

00:49:30.880 we're not going in that direction here. I'm not saying necessarily that we are, but let's speak

00:49:35.020 up while we still can. When we are just starting to see the silencing of dissent and the squashing

00:49:42.280 of free speech and the trampling upon individual liberty. I mean, Solzheniten, one thing that he says

00:49:49.640 in the Gulag Archipelago is that the reason that people got where they were, the reason that the

00:49:56.040 Soviet revolution happened is the reason that any totalitarian revolution was able to take root in 0.91

00:50:00.880 the 20th century. And that is, he said that men have forgotten God. And so it is incumbent upon

00:50:08.120 Christians following the strong reformed Christian tradition that we have to push back against tyranny.

00:50:15.240 As you can see, maybe we can pull up my John Knox quote over here on the side. If you are watching

00:50:21.140 from on YouTube, resistance to tyranny is obedience to God. That is a way to love your neighbor. As we

00:50:31.020 say, politics matter because policy matters because people matter. Politics affects policy. Policy affects

00:50:36.420 people. So this is a way, not the only way, maybe not even the primary way to love your neighbor,

00:50:42.280 but one way to love your neighbor is to push back against tyranny, to hold the line, to raise a

00:50:47.700 respectful and peaceful ruckus. You push back. What you're seeing right now, you're seeing people

00:50:54.560 organized with other like-minded people in their organization. They're strategizing, they're coming

00:50:59.160 up with a cohesive message, and they're taking a risk. They're taking a risk to make a point that they

00:51:04.120 don't want their individual liberty trampled on. And tomorrow, when we talk about this a lot more,

00:51:09.720 we're going to talk about some COVID stuff tomorrow. I'll try to come up with some resources for you

00:51:13.460 guys because I'm constantly asked, what do I do? How do I, you know, how do I push back against this?

00:51:18.480 How do I protect my individual choice? My husband is losing his job. I mean, I've talked to wives of

00:51:23.140 firefighters, of police officers, of servicemen, of all kinds of different employees and different

00:51:31.860 workers in our economy who are losing their jobs and their means to provide for their families

00:51:36.340 because they're willing to stand for their individual choice, whether they've actually

00:51:40.460 gotten the vaccine or not. That is honorable. That is, I am behind you and I will support you and I

00:51:46.680 will help you however I can. Hold the line. Hold the line. It is worth it. It's worth it. Like,

00:51:54.180 now's not the time for nostalgia. When we look back at the 1990s or the early 2000s, when it seemed like,

00:52:00.020 you know, America was better. It was still this beacon of liberty and that people could come together,

00:52:04.100 the right and the left. We just don't live there. We don't live at that time anymore. It's time to

00:52:07.720 stop looking back. We can't go back. The only way is for it. And the only way that we even have any

00:52:13.400 chance, I don't know if we have a chance, honestly, the only way we have any chance or any hope of

00:52:18.060 preserving the liberty that so many people have fought and died for is to do our own part in holding

00:52:23.640 the line and sharing the arrows with people who are holding the line in very risky ways by

00:52:29.140 potentially losing their job standing up for this liberty. So that's our role. If you don't know

00:52:34.640 what to do, how to fix all of this, we can't. We still serve a sovereign God who is totally in

00:52:39.640 control. All we can do is the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God,

00:52:45.640 both big and small. That's the only role that we have, whether that's speaking out or just doing

00:52:50.860 what's right in front of us, big and small ways. That's all we can do is, um, is the will of God

00:52:57.520 with joy. All right. That's all I got for today. We'll be back here tomorrow to talk about the rest of it.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 11, 2021

Ep 503 ｜ Now Is the Time to Double Down ｜ Guest： Chris Rufo

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