Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 504 ｜ Dave Chappelle, Joe Rogan & Southwest Airlines： Truth Is Winning

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day,

00:00:15.180 a wonderful week so far. Okay, we're going to talk about pushback today. We're going

00:00:21.120 to talk about Southwest. We're going to talk about mass protests against vaccine mandates,

00:00:25.500 but we're also going to talk about celebrities like Joe Rogan, Dave Chappelle, putting out their

00:00:31.360 unpopular opinions in a way that I think is super productive. Maybe not in the way that we would on

00:00:37.900 this podcast, but in a way that I still think is super helpful to society. And I want to start

00:00:43.840 with Joe Rogan and Dave Chappelle because we're going to go from talking about Southwest and the

00:00:51.740 mass protests that we are seeing and the pushback that we're seeing against vaccine mandates into

00:00:58.200 talking about Christian liberty and how Christians should be talking about the vaccine, vaccine 1.00

00:01:02.720 mandates. And I think that's a good place to end. So let's start by talking about Joe Rogan and Dave

00:01:07.700 Chappelle. The pushback that I'm talking about is not having to do anything with COVID. Now,

00:01:14.180 Joe Rogan has been outspoken. He posted this awesome video that I don't think that we ended up playing

00:01:20.960 on this show. There were a couple of videos that he put out. One was a clip from his show.

00:01:26.300 The other one was one that I saw that he shared maybe on YouTube, but I saw it on Instagram

00:01:30.380 saying, hey, that when you push people to the point of making them feel like they are dealing

00:01:36.760 with some kind of ultimatum to either take this medical treatment or be able to provide for their

00:01:42.240 family, that is a form of tyranny and totalitarianism. And if we don't hold on to the foundational values

00:01:49.420 upon which this country was built, we're going to lose all of it. We're going to lose

00:01:53.000 the freest republic in the world. So I highly recommend you going to his Instagram page and

00:01:58.840 watching that video. But that's not the pushback that I'm talking about today. I am talking about

00:02:04.400 the recent statements that both of them have made in regards to gender and transgenderism.

00:02:09.620 You've probably seen this story about Dave Chappelle circulating. Dave Chappelle's latest

00:02:15.560 Netflix special, The Closer, is getting a lot of attention. It's getting a lot of criticism,

00:02:20.700 at least from a small group of very loud people, from transgender Netflix employees and people on

00:02:27.400 social media and people in the liberal media, because in it, he says a few things. One of the things that

00:02:32.380 he says is gender is a fact. And what he means by that in context is that male and female biology

00:02:39.460 is a fact. Now, there's been a redefining of gender to be something that is separate from sex,

00:02:46.300 that some people say, okay, biological sex is male and female, but gender is something independent

00:02:52.220 from that. Gender is how you express yourself, which may not be male or female. Obviously, we completely

00:02:58.340 reject that idea that gender identity is something that is malleable, something that is detached from

00:03:04.820 biological sex was an idea that was originated by someone named Dr. John Money, who we have talked

00:03:11.460 about extensively on this podcast, who ended up being a perverted pedophile, who hypothesized that you

00:03:17.440 could choose your gender. He experimented on a young boy that he told the parents to raise him like a 0.95

00:03:25.240 girl, who will give him something that looks like female anatomy, call him Barbara, he'll be fine. 0.99

00:03:30.560 Well, he and his twin brother ended up not only being experimented on by this perverted Dr. John

00:03:36.040 Money, but they also ended up both committing suicide as adults. And that's a long story. You can go back

00:03:41.820 and listen to a previous episode that I did on that. So I reject this new idea, this newfangled gender 1.00

00:03:47.780 that is separate from biology. There might be different expressions that a man chooses to

00:03:55.540 manifest. He might like things that are known as more traditionally female or feminine. A woman might

00:04:04.580 like things or dress in a way that is more traditionally masculine. That's all well and good.

00:04:11.240 That's fine. But that does not erase the fact that there are two genders as well as two sexes. Gender 0.93

00:04:19.020 and sex are interchangeable. This idea that you can identify something other than your biology,

00:04:25.560 there may be a long philosophical history to something like that, but it's bunk science. It's

00:04:30.880 junk science. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially when it starts imposing on

00:04:36.060 people's language, their privacy and our understanding of reality and even tries to

00:04:43.800 influence scientific data and scientific literature itself. We'll talk about a little bit more about

00:04:50.320 that in just a second. But back to Dave Chappelle, what he means again, when he says gender is a fact

00:04:56.220 in his special is that male and female biology is a fact. He says every single one of us got here by

00:05:02.280 being pushed through a woman's legs. He says that is a fact. Now, I have some pushback on that. That's not

00:05:07.860 completely true. Some babies are cut out of a woman's abdomen, but the point stands. We all come from

00:05:14.840 a uterus, from the only kind of person that has a uterus, which is a woman. He talks about J.K. Rowling,

00:05:21.640 who he says that she was called a TERF, a word that he says that transgender people make up to win 1.00

00:05:27.940 arguments. It means trans, exclusionary, radical, feminist. He says that he is on team TERF, like he's 0.90

00:05:34.540 on her team. He says that women feel, and of course, this is a joke with a little bit of seriousness in

00:05:41.040 it, as most jokes are. He says that women feel about transgender people, what black people feel

00:05:47.420 about blackface. He says that they are, it's like the women are being impersonated without

00:05:54.220 actually having gone through any of the struggles and the experiences that girls do growing up, which

00:05:59.780 I mean, that's true. They don't have any of the experience that girls have growing up, 1.00

00:06:05.720 and those experiences are important. That's not reducing girls to having a period, but let's not

00:06:11.160 act like that part of being a girl isn't an important part of the female experience. It is. 1.00

00:06:16.680 But if you actually watch the special, he is very sympathetic toward transgender people. He talks about

00:06:22.360 a friend who identified as transgender who committed suicide. He just says, basically paraphrasing,

00:06:29.420 look, you can identify as trans, but that doesn't legitimately make you the opposite sex. He also

00:06:36.880 talks about how a rapper called DaBaby was canceled. The cancel mob came after him because he said some

00:06:43.300 mean things, legitimately mean things about gay people at a concert. But a few years ago, a few years

00:06:48.620 before that, he literally murdered a guy at Walmart in North Carolina, and he suffered no consequences,

00:06:54.360 no career consequences because of that. So Chappelle says, in our society, you can kill a person and

00:07:00.740 you're fine. But if you offend a gay person, if you hurt a gay person's feelings, it's over, which is a

00:07:05.000 funny point. It's a funny point. Well, all of that, particularly the trans stuff, got him in hot water 1.00

00:07:11.000 as he knew what happened. He even talked about that on the special. Glad tweeted, quote, Dave Chappelle's

00:07:16.820 brand has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities.

00:07:22.160 Negative reviews and viewers loudly condemning his latest special is a message to the industry.

00:07:28.660 The audiences don't support platforming anti-LGBTQ diatribes. We agree, except actually the reviews for

00:07:37.120 the special are really good. Like if you look at Rotten Tomatoes, the so-called critics have a low

00:07:42.300 rating, but the audience has a really high rating. Variety tweeted, quote, hashtag dear white people

00:07:49.680 showrunner. I guess that's a show. Jacqueline P. Moore announced Wednesday she'll be boycotting 1.00

00:07:54.520 Netflix over Dave Chappelle's transphobic news special. She opened up to Variety's Mark Malkin

00:08:00.380 about why she's taking a stand against the dangerous rhetoric. Now I'm using Variety's

00:08:06.820 terminology, but just to be clear, because I think clarity and honesty are really important.

00:08:12.300 This is a man, this person who says that he is boycotting Netflix over this. This is a man

00:08:19.160 who identifies as a woman who just a few months ago, you can look back on his Instagram,

00:08:24.940 just a few months ago dressed like a man, completely like a man, and now has grown out his hair and

00:08:30.000 wears makeup and jewelry and is now saying things like this, quote, I never loved Dave's trans

00:08:36.420 material before, but this time it felt different. More told Variety, this is the first time it felt

00:08:42.800 like, oh, people are laughing at this joke and they're agreeing that it's absurd to call me a

00:08:47.580 woman. And it's interesting to go look at all of the comments under that tweet. And all I have to say

00:08:52.680 that is, well, I don't know, like, I don't know what you want, how you want someone like him or how

00:09:00.520 you want people to respond. But this is also like, this is the exact situation that Chappelle talks

00:09:06.740 about in his special, that now all of a sudden white people now get more oppression points and

00:09:12.140 social capital than black people by claiming to be the opposite sex. And then accusing people like 0.98

00:09:17.980 Chappelle of punching down, that's something that he talks about a lot in the special, how he's

00:09:22.020 accused of punching down when he makes these jokes. So this person has lived his whole life as a white 0.94

00:09:27.880 male. And now, because in the past few months, he started wearing makeup and a dress, he evokes more

00:09:34.560 sympathy than a black man. Now, for the record, I don't think either of these people are oppressed in

00:09:40.880 the slightest, but it's definitely illogical to all of a sudden shed tears for a person who just a year

00:09:47.060 ago was living their life as a white man and now is claiming oppression because he changed how he

00:09:51.840 dresses. And just to note on the pronouns, we have a policy on this show and just in general to assert

00:10:01.040 that biology is not bigotry. Biology is not bigotry. I do not use he to talk about a man because I want

00:10:09.100 to be purposely inflammatory or because I want to be purposely offensive. We call people, we have all

00:10:17.040 always called people by particular pronouns according to their sex, at the very least, secondary sex

00:10:23.740 characteristics. Now, if a transgender person legitimately looks like the opposite sex, most people are not 1.00

00:10:30.440 going to go out of their way to call them him or call the person him if he looks like a woman. It all gets

00:10:38.400 so confusing. But I think that we have to own up to the fact or we just have to recognize the fact that

00:10:45.680 especially if a person, a man who identifies as woman, doesn't look like a woman, it's very difficult

00:10:52.560 to force everyone to bend not just their language, but their understanding of reality to try to appease

00:10:59.800 you. That's part of what it seems like from my interpretation Dave Chappelle is talking about. And look,

00:11:06.280 he is not some conservative by any means, but I do think that he plays a very important role here in

00:11:12.700 simply pointing out what's obviously true to a world that has been deluded, bullied into believing

00:11:18.840 that you can't say that the sky is blue or two plus two equals four or that only women give birth.

00:11:23.780 Like something we all knew was true 10 years ago that wasn't even mildly controversial, even though

00:11:29.740 there were people who considered themselves transgender, they probably didn't necessarily

00:11:33.900 call themselves transgender then. Like it was just known that even if people wanted to live a certain

00:11:38.800 way, even if people wanted to dress a certain way, even if they wanted to change their name,

00:11:42.480 even if they had a circle of people who changed their pronouns for them, this wasn't something that

00:11:46.920 we were forcing on the rest of society to redefine what it means to be human. I mean, that's really

00:11:52.340 what's going on is redefining what it means to be human and what it means to be able to bring forth

00:12:00.440 life. Like this is really fundamental stuff that is getting pushed in our faces and is getting forced

00:12:06.780 upon people. And it's not just that we have to now respect how people identify or accept how they want

00:12:15.980 to dress. Okay. It's not even that we only are expected to change our language, which I think that

00:12:23.920 that's too far, but it's not only that we are actually being expected to again, change our definition

00:12:30.020 of what a woman is. And as women, we have to be totally cool with having our worlds turned upside 0.99

00:12:35.980 down by using gender neutral terms about some of the things, some of the things that make us special

00:12:43.040 birthing people, chest feeding people with periods. We have to pretend that these unique experiences,

00:12:49.260 which are part of what make us female, what are part of what makes us women. They're not the only

00:12:55.420 things that make us women, but they are essential parts of what make us women. We have to pretend 0.57

00:12:59.460 that that's just open to everyone and not just women, that it's not special to us, that it's just

00:13:03.740 a human experience to start your period and to be able to get pregnant and have kids and all of

00:13:10.480 these things. And I understand that there are different disorders in which maybe a woman wouldn't 1.00

00:13:15.120 have a period or she's not able to have children or some women just don't have children. I'm not saying 1.00

00:13:20.300 that's everything that makes you a woman, but it's certainly part of what makes you a woman. Biology is an 1.00

00:13:25.160 essential part of womanhood and of manhood as well. We have to suddenly be okay as women with women and 0.80

00:13:34.900 girls sharing locker rooms and bathrooms with men and boys. I'm not seeing this pushed upon men,

00:13:40.560 by the way. There's not this debate on the other side of this, but we have to be okay with not just

00:13:45.160 sharing locker rooms and soccer teams and bathrooms, apparently, with men who identify as women.

00:13:51.440 But we also have to be okay with women sharing prison cells with male convicted sex offenders 0.99

00:14:00.200 who now all of a sudden say that they are women. That's happening in places like Washington and 0.99

00:14:04.880 California. That's not just some hypothetical situation. There was this terrible story,

00:14:09.380 actually, that I saw that the Daily Wire reported, Luke Rosiak reported for the Daily Wire, that in

00:14:15.040 Loudoun County in Virginia, where they're having all of these very intense school board meetings about

00:14:20.280 things like CRT, about things like, you know, radical transgender policy. And one of the debates

00:14:26.780 that was had over the summer, it was actually covered up that a few weeks before that, a 16-year-old

00:14:32.620 girl, actually, I think she was 15 at the time, she reported that she was raped by a boy in her class

00:14:39.940 that identified as gender fluid. And because he identified as gender fluid, he was able to go into

00:14:44.820 the girl's bathroom. And she reports that she was raped by this boy who identified as gender fluid.

00:14:50.320 Well, the dad came forward and said, hey, this happened to my daughter. And like, something needs

00:14:57.080 to be done about this. This actually matters. And he was actually told by a school official that a female

00:15:03.880 school official that she didn't believe his daughter. So it's believe all women until it gets 0.99

00:15:09.820 inconvenient with the different intersectional points when it comes to people who identify as

00:15:15.400 gender fluid. That's apparently the top of the oppression pack, that no matter what you know to 1.00

00:15:21.620 be true, no matter what you accuse these people of, it just, I don't know, it just slides off them

00:15:26.900 like Teflon, because that's the new world that we live in, where we have to deny reality, we have to deny

00:15:33.800 right versus wrong to try to acquiesce this small group of people. It doesn't make sense. So everyone

00:15:39.800 else has to bend their speech, their privacy, their knowledge of reality to people who are denying the

00:15:45.380 reality of male and female. And by the way, I just want to say, this does not, this does not represent

00:15:51.600 everyone who identifies as transgender. Like, I think that the people who truly struggle with gender

00:15:56.180 dysphoria, which that is a disorder, it's a rare disorder, but it's a disorder. People who truly struggle

00:16:02.900 with gender dysphoria are not always, I would say not typically, most of the time are not the ones

00:16:08.880 out front who are trying to say, yeah, you know, a naked man should be able to, you know, like the

00:16:14.580 we-spot situation should be able to walk around naked in front of underage girls in the name of, 1.00

00:16:20.760 you know, gender ideology. I don't think that this kind of radical activism and this kind of coercion

00:16:27.480 that we're seeing from the LGBTQ lobby necessarily represents the majority of people who struggle

00:16:34.140 with gender dysphoria or even who identify openly as transgender. I think it's a small, loud group of

00:16:40.300 people that know that they will get attention, they will get pats on the back, they will get some kind

00:16:45.420 of, you know, social capital, social rewards if they go against someone like Dave Chappelle, who is simply

00:16:51.020 saying things that are objectively true. But I think it's good. I think it's good that people like Dave

00:16:56.560 Chappelle, who are not simply Christian conservatives, that they're out pointing out the absurdity of 0.53

00:17:06.140 all of this. And Joe Rogan is another person who has talked about this several times. He's had

00:17:10.740 Abigail Schreier, who talks about rapid onset gender dysphoria among young girls in her book,

00:17:16.740 Irreversible Damage. He has had her on. He has had Meghan Murphy on. We've had both of them on.

00:17:22.020 Meghan Murphy got kicked off of Twitter. I think it was 2018 for simply saying that a man is a man.

00:17:27.940 I disagree with both of those people about certain things. Certainly Meghan Murphy, she is pro-choice. 0.81

00:17:34.380 We disagree on some things, but they are both people who have stood up for reality and have stood up

00:17:39.900 for women, have stood up for facts. And Joe Rogan has had both of them on his show before.

00:17:45.000 And he posted just the other day on Instagram, a picture of a segment of healthline.com

00:17:51.140 that says, quote, yes, it's possible for men to become pregnant and give birth to children of

00:17:56.780 their own. In fact, it's probably a lot more common than you might think. And his caption said,

00:18:01.820 plot twist. So I just think it's funny. I think it's funny that there are people who don't consider

00:18:10.240 themselves conservatives who are probably quite liberal in a lot of ways, pointing out the

00:18:16.140 ridiculousness of all of this. That article on Healthline, by the way, goes on to say that men

00:18:22.240 who give birth have ovaries and uteruses and a vagina, aka they're women. Now, why I think it's good that 0.95

00:18:29.180 people like this are pushing back against this attempt to rewrite human nature is because it gives

00:18:35.460 other people cover. And it's going to take people who are not just like me, Christian conservatives,

00:18:43.100 questioning it. It gives people just in regular society who aren't in political media, who maybe

00:18:51.300 aren't even religious like I am to say, you know what? We see what human beings are. We're not going

00:18:58.700 to completely rewrite all of the rules that we have known for all of human history everywhere in the

00:19:03.460 world because some people want to bring upon us this Orwellian world in which two plus two don't

00:19:14.080 equal four. Now, ultimately, for me, as we've talked about several times, and we won't get into all of

00:19:19.500 the complexities of this, this is biblical. Yes, it's scientific. Yes, it's obvious, but it's also

00:19:26.520 biblical. This is a Genesis 1 issue that God made them male and female. In his image,

00:19:32.360 he created them male and female. So again, that goes back to this is part of what it means to be

00:19:38.200 human. It's part of what it means to be made in God's image. And I know people say, well,

00:19:42.320 there's intersex people. Yes, there are intersex people. That is a very rare genetic anomaly or

00:19:48.180 different kinds of hormonal anomalies that someone who is considered intersex, which is kind of an

00:19:53.200 umbrella term, might be. But that doesn't change the fact that human beings are male and female.

00:19:59.880 Now, that's just a fact. That's just a biological fact. In the same way that, yes, there are some

00:20:07.600 babies that are born with one leg, but that doesn't change the fact that human beings are

00:20:12.300 bipeds. The exceptions don't rewrite the rules, especially biological rules. And by the way, it's not

00:20:20.600 just Genesis 1 that talks about male and female. This is reiterated throughout Scripture. Jesus reiterates

00:20:27.280 it in Matthew 19. So it's, again, not just a biological fact, but it's a biblical reality

00:20:32.600 that is reiterated over and over again and originated by the God who created us. And if

00:20:38.060 anything, if anyone gets the trump card, it's him. Okay, let's talk about Southwest. We touched on it

00:20:47.620 a little bit at the beginning of yesterday's show. Yesterday's show, I was with Chris Ruffo. We talked

00:20:53.200 about critical race theory in schools and how Biden's Department of Justice is mobilizing the

00:20:58.000 FBI against concerned parents, what that means, how you should respond as a parent in light of that,

00:21:03.700 why all of us parents are not should care about that. So go listen to yesterday's episode if you

00:21:07.660 haven't. But we talked a little bit about Southwest at the beginning. And now that I have more details

00:21:13.040 and I've talked to some of you who work for Southwest, I feel like I can fill in the gaps a little bit.

00:21:18.160 So you may have seen over the weekend, the news reports and the tweets about about 2000 flights,

00:21:24.880 Southwest flights that were canceled in a matter of a couple days. The videos that we saw were of

00:21:30.780 airport chaos. I mean, it was madness. People weren't able to book other flights. They couldn't

00:21:36.200 find hotel rooms. I mean, it just looks awful. There's truly there's nothing more stressful. I mean,

00:21:41.320 there are probably a few things, but there are a few things more stressful than being stranded in an

00:21:45.980 airport. It looks awful. I really feel for anyone who was affected by this. Like I said, yesterday,

00:21:50.560 I was traveling this weekend. And even though, you know, I mean, I was just I was just thankful. I was

00:21:57.360 thankful that I wasn't affected by it. But I really do sympathize for all of you who were affected by

00:22:03.440 it because it's it's just the worst. But I've also talked to a lot of you who were affected. And you

00:22:09.320 say that because of what we're about to talk about, you're actually okay that you had to be

00:22:14.320 inconvenienced. And what I what I mean by that is that there were bits of info that started

00:22:19.360 circulating on Twitter that turned into a narrative. And that narrative is that Southwest

00:22:23.420 employees walked off the job in mass to protest vaccine mandates that Southwest recently announced

00:22:29.640 that all employees must be vaccinated by December 8th. I've actually seen the email from the CEO

00:22:37.020 talking about this and saying that everyone must be vaccinated by December 8th. I just think that's

00:22:44.620 odd. I mean, that's right before Christmas. We're talking about not just disrupting the lives of the

00:22:50.820 people being fired. I mean, that sucks right before the holidays. But also think about the surge of

00:22:56.460 travel that happens around the holidays. Just strange timing, right? Like, it's just it's just

00:23:02.560 strange. However, in response to that narrative that was circulating on Twitter, Southwest put out

00:23:07.920 a statement saying this quote, on Friday evening, the airline ended the day with numerous cancellations

00:23:13.740 primarily created by weather and other external constraints, which left aircraft and crews out of

00:23:19.000 preplanned positions to operate their schedule on Saturday. Unfortunately, the out of place aircraft and

00:23:24.520 continued strain on our crew resources created additional cancellations across our point to point

00:23:30.720 network that cascaded throughout the weekend and into Monday. So the problem with this, with this

00:23:37.300 statement, as many are pointing out, is that other airlines operating in the same places did not see

00:23:43.340 mass cancellations due to weather. In fact, there weren't high numbers of cancellations at all on other

00:23:49.480 airlines. Like they were saying specifically Southwest was saying, oh, bad weather in Florida, you know,

00:23:54.960 caused caused these cancellations, these specific cancellations in this region. But people

00:24:00.700 living in Florida are like, what are you talking about? The weather was fine. The union also

00:24:05.580 representing Southwest Airline Pilots, Southwest Airline Pilots Association, echoed that there was

00:24:12.520 no official walkout. They said this quote, SWAPA is aware of operational difficulties affecting Southwest

00:24:18.860 Airlines today due to a number of issues. But we can say with confidence that our pilots are not

00:24:24.340 participating in any official or unofficial job actions. However, however, let me say in response

00:24:33.180 to those two statements, reporter Alex Berenson reported something on his substack that that was

00:24:39.700 also affirmed by someone who wrote to me who works for Southwest. They both said that allegedly the union

00:24:47.420 and Southwest had a really tense, a bad negotiation a few years ago that ended in the union promising

00:24:53.580 the pilots would not officially or unofficially do something like this, that they wouldn't just walk

00:24:58.180 off the job. Tucker Carlson reported last night that it was a stick out, that pilots can't say it

00:25:04.520 because of that, you know, promise that the union made that apparently maybe they don't even have to

00:25:09.480 talk to each other about it. But Tucker Carlson is reporting that they know 100 percent that pilots did

00:25:16.240 call in sick and they did stay home. That was the reason for the cancellations. At the same time,

00:25:21.400 one thing we do know is that there were a number of air traffic controllers in Jacksonville, Florida,

00:25:25.320 who decided to walk off the job in protest of Joe Biden's vaccine mandate that requires them

00:25:30.740 as federal employees to get the vaccine by next month. I talked to a few of you who either work for

00:25:38.560 Southwest or whose parents or your spouse works for Southwest. And the consensus, at least on my end,

00:25:45.620 is pretty clear because a lot of you didn't know everything that was going on. You didn't have

00:25:50.820 like a whole lot of inside information. You're just piecing things together yourself.

00:25:54.900 There are lots of employees at Southwest who have not gotten the vaccine and who don't want to get

00:25:59.460 the vaccine. But none of you who talked to me confirmed to me that this was a massive pilot

00:26:05.840 stick out. Now, maybe I'm sure that, you know, Tucker Carlson has much deeper contacts than I do.

00:26:11.360 And so I don't doubt at all that it's been confirmed to them. In my conversations, you guys did not

00:26:15.900 confirm that to me. What I did hear is that lots of employees are filing for exemptions.

00:26:21.400 But Southwest has already told you that the acceptance of those exemptions will be very rare.

00:26:29.040 Some employees are holding out hope that Southwest is going to reverse their requirement.

00:26:33.440 government. But Southwest and all of these airlines are under immense pressure by the federal

00:26:39.220 government. And I really feel I really feel for I really feel for the employees, because a lot of

00:26:47.320 you have told me how much you love working for Southwest, like the number one thing that Southwest

00:26:52.000 says they look for is a servant's heart. And the employees, especially the pilots, have exemplified

00:26:58.220 that for a long time. A lot of you guys really like the CEO. And you've told me that this just

00:27:05.380 puts a lot of pressure on you that this has been really stressful, and that it's been really tiring

00:27:10.100 for the pilots, which is not at all safe when you're thinking about like what they're operating,

00:27:15.240 being exhausted and being overly stressed, like doesn't lend itself to safety at all. So again,

00:27:21.360 if this were about people's health, would you really put this kind of stress on the thousands

00:27:25.680 of pilots who apparently don't want to go along with this vaccine mandate? So you're being put

00:27:32.480 in a position of either getting a shot that you don't want or don't need or not being able to

00:27:42.420 provide for your family. And there are many reasons why people wouldn't get the shot. Like you have

00:27:46.900 strong antibodies, which are likely stronger than the shot, as we have talked about many times,

00:27:52.060 the many studies that show that, in particular, a large preprint study coming out of Israel.

00:27:57.760 Maybe you have a history of vaccine injury, which is a real thing. You have some other condition that

00:28:02.460 prevents you from being able to get not just this vaccine, but any vaccines. Maybe you have a sincere

00:28:10.320 moral or religious qualm with this vaccine because it was researched using cell lines from aborted

00:28:15.340 babies, which is not some conspiracy. It is actually true. And faithful Christians disagree 0.65

00:28:20.940 on the ethics of that. There are some Christians who I've heard ethical arguments that are persuasive 0.70

00:28:25.440 both ways about getting vaccines that are either the research or the development

00:28:33.460 involved fetal cell lines. Christians disagree on the ethics of that. But no Christian or any person 0.95

00:28:41.060 should be forced to violate their conscience when it comes to something so serious, especially when

00:28:45.500 it comes to a new vaccine. I know the RNA technology has been around for a long time.

00:28:50.460 I am not anti. I'm not I'm not anti vaccine. I hate even saying that. I'm so tired of like

00:28:56.140 giving that caveat. I'm so tired of hearing people give that caveat because it doesn't actually matter.

00:29:00.240 I can say all day long, I'm not anti vaccine. I'm not anti this vaccine. I can say that all day long.

00:29:04.780 People are still going to call me an anti vaxxer because I'm anti forced vaccination. So it doesn't even

00:29:09.880 matter. I should just stop even giving that caveat. But especially when it comes to something,

00:29:14.960 even though the RNA technology has been around for a long time, like some people just still want to

00:29:20.480 see more. They still want to see more research. They still want to see the side effects. They're

00:29:24.160 looking at some of the numbers and they're saying, wow, I know a lot of people who have been fully

00:29:27.760 vaccinated and got sick. And I know everyone is saying that, oh, well, yeah, sure. They got sick.

00:29:35.380 It's a leaky vaccine, whatever. They got sick. But at least they didn't get a serious case. But the

00:29:39.640 numbers show they probably wouldn't have gotten a serious case anyway. So you don't actually know

00:29:43.520 if the vaccine that they got really did stop the severity of the illness. You don't know. Maybe

00:29:50.000 that's what it that's what the data seems to show that it does stop severe illness. But we don't

00:29:55.420 know that everyone who gets COVID after getting the vaccine didn't get a severe case only because of

00:30:00.080 the vaccine. If they're young and healthy, they probably wouldn't have gotten a severe case.

00:30:02.860 Anyway, I want to dig into the Christian response to this. What I believe the Christian response to

00:30:10.660 this vaccine mandates, the choice of vaccine, the vaccine itself should be. And we'll get there in

00:30:15.800 just one second. All right. So I have been kind of disturbed by the reaction that I've seen by

00:30:24.680 professing Christians in response to people who have sincere qualms with this vaccine or hesitations

00:30:32.120 about it or you don't even have hesitations about it themselves. But they just don't like the vaccine

00:30:37.700 mandates. And I've told you guys, in case you're wondering, like, I don't talk about my vaccine

00:30:43.320 status. Like even that phrase is so crazy to me because I think we should normalize not even say

00:30:49.480 like, I don't care. I don't care whether or not you're vaccinated because I think that it is your

00:30:54.960 choice. If it truly simply works to stop the severity of it or lessen the chances of death,

00:31:02.700 which I do think that the data bears that out pretty well, then I don't care. If you can still

00:31:08.020 get it and transmit it to other people, then I mean, I don't really care if you get the vaccine

00:31:13.040 or not. You shouldn't care if I get the vaccine anyway. That has not been the response of some

00:31:18.320 professing Christians. The fact that there are Christian influencers and pastors completely bypassing

00:31:23.580 that reality that I just talked about and the reality of the fact that people have real hesitations,

00:31:29.380 that they're not giving any credence to the hesitation that people have because of the

00:31:35.740 reasons that we just listed, it's truly grotesque to me. Like it is an area of Christian liberty that 1.00

00:31:40.480 we as Christians should be so quick to honor. Like this should not be a left or right issue.

00:31:46.040 You have professing Christians who are always so quick to poo-poo on Christians who they view as

00:31:52.300 right-wing conspiracy theorists who are actually just people with sincere differences in belief,

00:31:57.560 particularly when it comes to COVID measures and this vaccine. I mean, these are the same people

00:32:03.000 who would have been in Soviet Russia being like, you know, everything is probably fine. It's, you know, 0.52

00:32:08.720 that person got arrested in the, you know, in the middle of the night, but you know, they probably

00:32:14.680 actually did something wrong. And then things just close in on them and they're like, oh,

00:32:19.100 we're living in a police state. Like they're so, they're, they're so dedicated to being accepted

00:32:25.640 by secular progressives that they will just absolutely try to make fun of and belittle and

00:32:33.980 condescend to their fellow Christians who have different views than them on things like the 0.95

00:32:37.860 vaccine masks and things like that. It's the big evangelical complex. They're truly so embarrassed

00:32:44.020 by so many people who agree with them on the gospel, but disagree with them on things like

00:32:49.940 critical race theory or Trump or COVID. They're so desperate for approval of secular progressives

00:32:54.760 and they work so hard to distance themselves from conservative Christians whom they just deem

00:32:59.080 as Christian nationalists and can't even define the term. It's super sad. Like it's super sad, 0.57

00:33:04.520 but this isn't the first time. Like this should comfort us. I think it's super interesting and it

00:33:09.340 should also be a little bit comforting. I think should also be guidance for us. History tends to

00:33:14.020 be that. The fact that Christians have argued over vaccines before. If you go all the way back

00:33:21.140 to the 18th century, you can learn about really fierce debates between Christians about inoculation.

00:33:27.080 Founders Ministries has a great article by Ben Purves. I think that's how you say his last name. Maybe

00:33:32.300 it's Purves. On their website detailing the disagreements between Christians during the smallpox

00:33:39.140 epidemic of 1791 in Boston. So Cotton Mathers, he was a Christian who learned about the process of

00:33:49.420 inoculation from his slave, Onesimus, and Mathers became a huge fan, a huge promoter of this method.

00:33:56.280 He convinced a doctor in the area to start taking the blood of a sick person and

00:34:02.180 putting it into a small cut of a not sick person. And then what happened was the mortality rate from

00:34:07.400 smallpox among those who were inoculated went from 15% to 2%. So 15% of those who were not inoculated

00:34:15.200 to 2% of those who were inoculated. But there were also people who died from that inoculation. And

00:34:21.900 most famously, the fire and brimstone preacher, you know, sinners in the hands of an angry God,

00:34:26.700 Jonathan Edwards. Edwards was a big believer in inoculation. He got it for smallpox.

00:34:32.180 And he and his daughter ended up dying because of it 30 years after Mathers and Onesimus developed

00:34:39.140 and promoted the method. Even though people could die from the inoculation, though, Mathers' father,

00:34:46.680 Increase Mather, very interesting names, did a lot of PR for it from the beginning. So back when the

00:34:53.920 smallpox was breaking out in Boston about 30 years before Jonathan Edwards died,

00:34:58.260 there were people dying then too from the inoculation. But Increase Mathers argued that

00:35:04.660 to not get inoculated is the same thing as breaking the biblical command to not murder. So this sounds

00:35:11.140 really familiar. He argued that people who didn't get inoculated were followers of Satan. Take that

00:35:17.340 big, Eva. You guys are on the same side as the slaveholder when it comes to this vaccine stuff. 0.99

00:35:22.180 That gets a little complicated. However, this article in Founders Ministries also notes,

00:35:29.080 despite these tactics, it is surprising to note that Increase Mather did not want anyone

00:35:34.840 to receive inoculation contrary to conscience, but instead for them to be persuaded to change

00:35:40.540 their mind. So actually, even Increase Mathers and Cotton Mathers were a little bit more considerate

00:35:48.180 and a little bit more logical when it came to this than some of the professing Christians are today

00:35:55.480 when it comes to this. There were also pastors who argued that anyone getting the inoculation

00:36:02.320 didn't trust God and were themselves not faithful Christians. The article says this,

00:36:09.020 quote,

00:36:09.080 In reading multiple sermons and letters from this period, opposing sides of the inoculation debate

00:36:14.140 would manipulate scripture to advocate for their position, sometimes with both sides using the

00:36:19.120 Sixth Commandment to argue their case. In contrast to these polar opposites were the voices that

00:36:24.000 appealed to Romans 14 and viewed inoculation as an issue of the liberty of conscience. So the article

00:36:30.520 includes this letter written by Pastor John Newton on June 3rd, 1777, quote,

00:36:35.520 It seems I must write something about the smallpox, but I know not well what. Having had it myself,

00:36:41.640 I cannot judge how I would feel if I were actually exposed to it. I am not a professed advocate

00:36:46.620 for inoculation, but if a person who fears the Lord should tell me, I think I can do it in faith,

00:36:52.000 looking upon it as an expedient which God in His providence has discovered and which therefore

00:36:57.540 appears my duty to have recourse to, so that my mind does not hesitate with respect to the lawfulness,

00:37:05.620 nor am I anxious about the event, being satisfied that whether I live or die,

00:37:10.460 I am in that path in which I can cheerfully expect this blessing. I do not know that I

00:37:16.580 could offer a word by way of dissuasion. He goes on to say, but if another person should say,

00:37:23.600 my times are in the Lord's hands, I am now in health and I'm not willing to bring upon myself

00:37:28.080 a disorder, the consequences of which I cannot possibly foresee. So they're saying, you know,

00:37:32.480 if something happens to me because of the vaccine, like I don't want to take that risk.

00:37:36.720 John Newton is saying that this person could go on to say,

00:37:41.480 if I am to have the smallpox, I believe he is the best judge of the season and manner in which

00:37:46.140 I shall be visited, talking about God, so as may be most for his glory and my own good.

00:37:52.260 And therefore, I choose to wait his appointment and not to rush upon even the possibility of danger

00:37:56.460 without a call. If the very hairs of my head are numbered, I have no reason to fear that,

00:38:01.060 supposing I receive the smallpox in a natural way, I shall have a single pimple more than he sees 1.00

00:38:06.560 expedient. And why should I wish to have one less? So they understood then, many, many years ago,

00:38:14.420 hundreds of years ago, that, or at least John Newton understood that this is an area of Christian

00:38:20.080 liberty. And of course, earlier when I was talking about some people being on the side of slave

00:38:25.320 holders, that was a joke because a lot of people in Big Eva and the Big Evangelical Complex 0.79

00:38:33.520 actually discount all of the theology and all of the points by slave holders from hundreds of years

00:38:41.560 ago. I just think it's interesting that they're actually holding some of the same views on the

00:38:48.180 sinfulness of not taking a vaccine as people that we know held slaves. Then I think that we should

00:38:55.320 just all embrace the fact that history can be very complicated. But the point is that these

00:39:01.660 these arguments have been had, like these arguments have been had. I personally think that John Newton

00:39:07.140 nails it, that there are different ways to look at this. Now, the fetal cell line does add another 0.99

00:39:14.340 complicated layer, but I have heard arguments, persuasive biblical arguments from people like

00:39:19.660 Al Mohler, persuasive biblical arguments from people like John Piper about that particular issue.

00:39:26.280 And so I do believe that this is an area of Christian liberty. And Christians should be

00:39:31.980 so, so quick and so passionate about honoring that Christian liberty and should be so slow to say,

00:39:41.240 if you get the vaccine, it's because you hate babies and you're not really Christian and you 0.94

00:39:44.960 don't trust God. Or if you do get the vaccine, or if you don't get the vaccine, it's because you hate

00:39:49.440 your neighbor and you're not loving. Look, there are risks that you take every day that may or may not put

00:39:55.240 your neighbor at risk. You take that risk every time you get into the car, especially if you're

00:39:59.360 someone who has ever texted and driven. Now, if you have texted and you have driven at the same time,

00:40:04.880 does that mean that you are a hateful person who doesn't love your neighbor? Maybe you were being

00:40:08.580 reckless at that time and you shouldn't have done it. But I mean, we all take risks every day.

00:40:14.620 And most of us don't consider ourselves, you know, hateful people who don't love our neighbor because of

00:40:19.960 risks that we take. And especially when it comes to this, when there's like, there's a downside,

00:40:26.180 there is a possible downside. There are side effects that come with this shot. They may be rare. Some

00:40:31.660 people argue based on the VAERS database that they're not exactly rare. I've even heard doctors

00:40:36.600 say that. But there are risks that people have to consider. And to say that you have to take this risk

00:40:42.780 or else you're not a good Christian or else you can't feed your family, that's criminal to me.

00:40:46.940 That's so wrong. And that's why I think that Christians should be the first people 1.00

00:40:50.480 as really the reformed Christian tradition shows us to be the first people to stand up for people's

00:40:56.740 liberty. And we're talking about loving your neighbor. Why is it not loving your neighbor

00:41:00.780 to stand up for their liberty, to not take a, you know, a shot that they don't want to take that

00:41:06.220 maybe they don't even need? Why is that not a way to love your neighbor? I'm your neighbor. That's

00:41:10.760 how you can love me. I'm your neighbor. You can love me by defending my liberty. I'm going to love

00:41:16.440 other people by defending their liberty. I also don't want to get them sick. That's why I'm not

00:41:20.160 going to be around people if I'm sick. And, you know, we can all make a decision about the vaccine

00:41:28.540 if we want to take that. And we won't get into that all right now. But it is an area of Christian

00:41:32.920 liberty. It should be an area of American liberty as well. It should be an area of civil liberty.

00:41:39.120 There are other people that are pushing back against this. So Southwest Air Pilots kind of

00:41:46.320 circling back to that, the union that represents them, according to Bloomberg.com, before this

00:41:54.500 alleged sick out that happened that allegedly led to the cancellation of these flights, the Southwest

00:42:03.580 Airlines company Pilots asked the court to temporarily block the company from carrying out

00:42:08.900 federally mandated coronavirus vaccinations until an existing lawsuit over alleged U.S. labor law

00:42:13.540 violations is resolved. So we know from that that the unions are upset about this or that this

00:42:19.380 particular union is upset. That means that a good number of pilots are upset about this. So it's not

00:42:24.520 coming from out of nowhere, this idea that a lot of pilots are pushing back against this and might

00:42:29.440 have possibly taken an action that disrupted the flights in Southwest. There are still there are NBA stars

00:42:36.860 like Kyrie Irving who are refusing to get vaccinated and are speaking out against the

00:42:41.600 mandates. Kyrie Irving can't play in the Brooklyn Nets home games because he hasn't gotten a COVID-19

00:42:48.500 vaccine. Apparently he's standing strong about that. And there obviously we had Jonathan Isaac.

00:42:56.500 He is he plays for the Orlando Magic. He has had COVID and he's saying that he doesn't believe in the

00:43:02.540 mandates. There were a few other players that spoke out against that. There are celebrities like Nicki

00:43:08.460 Minaj who said, you know, people should have their own choice. They should have liberty when it comes to

00:43:15.540 this. There was another there was an actress who was the actress that was in Black Panther

00:43:22.980 who also spoke out against the mandates. Let's see. Oh, Letitia Wright. So she apparently, you know,

00:43:34.860 the media is saying that she was anti-vax, which I'm just now like pulling this up on DuckDuckGo right

00:43:40.720 now. And so I don't know exactly what she shared, but she pushed back on the mandates and forced 1.00

00:43:46.800 vaccinations and things like that. And I just wonder, like, how is the media squaring

00:43:52.400 their criticism of anti-vaxxers with their constant push to elevate Black voices? Because

00:44:00.280 some of the loudest voices against vaccine mandates are Black. So it's just so strange. Like, 1.00

00:44:07.060 we've seen so much hypocrisy. And I tweeted about this, that the same people who want to elevate Black

00:44:16.000 voices when it comes to Black Lives Matter, they don't want to hear the Black voices that are against

00:44:20.720 the vaccine mandates. The health care for all folks want hospitals to deny service to the

00:44:27.680 unvaccinated. The, quote, anti-racist crowd has nothing to say about vaccine passports disproportionately

00:44:33.040 affecting Black people because because the majority of Black people in the United States are not

00:44:41.100 vaccinated. The bodily autonomy activists deny bodily autonomy when it comes to consenting to a

00:44:48.880 medical procedure or at least not having an ultimatum when it comes to a medical procedure.

00:44:54.900 They're only for bodily autonomy, I guess, when it comes to killing a baby. The defund the police

00:44:59.780 people are eerily quiet about police force against dissenters in Canada and Australia who have been

00:45:05.280 beaten for just peacefully protesting. The speak truth to power politicians cheer on the big tech censorship

00:45:13.120 of proven therapeutics and prophylactics and questions about mask mandates and things like

00:45:19.620 that. The so-called anti-fascists have no problem with the obvious wedding of corporate and federal

00:45:25.780 power. The, quote, pro-democracy advocates seem OK with the DOJ and the FBI coming after concerned

00:45:33.440 parents when it comes to mask mandates and CRTs and things like that. The pro-worker congresspeople have

00:45:39.440 yet to publicly support the airline unions or speak out about the mass firing to the working class

00:45:43.960 who they were all applauding a year ago as our health care heroes. I mean, it's great. Like we have

00:45:49.880 seen if there's one good part about all of this, we have seen a lot of hypocrisy be exposed.

00:45:58.500 All right. So that's all that we have got for today. I'll just repeat what I said yesterday.

00:46:04.660 Like this fight for liberty matters. This pushback for liberty matters. Keep on raising a respectful

00:46:11.720 ruckus. I posted on Instagram some organizations that are helping with legal help and financial help

00:46:22.200 for those of you who need it. A lot of you ask me every day, what do I do? My job is mandating this

00:46:27.840 shot. I don't want to work for a company that's mandating the shot or you don't want to get the shot

00:46:32.300 yourself. And so you're looking for, you're looking for help. I posted some of those organizations on

00:46:40.120 my story. And so make sure you go look to them because I, I linked or I tagged them. And so you

00:46:45.580 can go check them out. Pacific Justice Institute, Liberty Council, apparently Apologia Church is

00:46:51.860 helping out military who have gotten the boot because of this, ForUnitedSolutions.org, Family

00:46:57.380 Research Council, Alliance Defending Freedom, ICAN-DECIDE. That's I-C-A-N-DECIDE. So there are

00:47:06.300 opposingmedicaltyranny.com. There are a few outlets that are pushing back against this or a few

00:47:13.400 organizations. And so try to get in contact with them if you need help with this. Again, this has

00:47:18.400 not very much to do with the vaccine itself for a lot of people. For some people it does. It really

00:47:23.340 has to do with personal choice and freedom. And I think it's really important that we stand together

00:47:27.260 in solidarity on this. Gosh, especially from a Christian perspective, we should be the foremost

00:47:31.500 advocates for Christian liberty and civil liberty. All right, that's all I've got for today. Tomorrow,

00:47:36.360 we're going to talk about what's happening with the supply chains. Like why are some grocery stores not

00:47:40.640 able to restock their food? Why aren't you able to get the supplies that you need to redo

00:47:45.200 your bathroom the way that you have been saving up for and wanting to? There are a lot of

00:47:51.400 questions about that that I can't answer. Why are there so many shipping containers

00:47:54.700 off the coast of California that aren't able to unload their ships? So we're going to talk to

00:47:58.940 someone who is a logistics expert, who is a supply chain expert tomorrow. He's going to answer our

00:48:03.420 many questions. And then on Thursday, we've got a really interesting interview that I'm excited about

00:48:10.200 that I'll announce tomorrow. All right. See you guys tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 12, 2021

Ep 504 ｜ Dave Chappelle, Joe Rogan & Southwest Airlines： Truth Is Winning

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