Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 12, 2021


Ep 504 ｜ Dave Chappelle, Joe Rogan & Southwest Airlines： Truth Is Winning


Episode Stats

Length

48 minutes

Words per Minute

174.3362

Word Count

8,413

Sentence Count

464

Misogynist Sentences

20

Hate Speech Sentences

29


Summary

Celebrities like Joe Rogan and Chappelle are putting out their unpopular opinions in a way that I think is helpful to society. Today we discuss the recent statements made by both of them regarding gender identity and transgenderism.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful day,
00:00:15.180 a wonderful week so far. Okay, we're going to talk about pushback today. We're going
00:00:21.120 to talk about Southwest. We're going to talk about mass protests against vaccine mandates,
00:00:25.500 but we're also going to talk about celebrities like Joe Rogan, Dave Chappelle, putting out their
00:00:31.360 unpopular opinions in a way that I think is super productive. Maybe not in the way that we would on
00:00:37.900 this podcast, but in a way that I still think is super helpful to society. And I want to start
00:00:43.840 with Joe Rogan and Dave Chappelle because we're going to go from talking about Southwest and the
00:00:51.740 mass protests that we are seeing and the pushback that we're seeing against vaccine mandates into
00:00:58.200 talking about Christian liberty and how Christians should be talking about the vaccine, vaccine
00:01:02.720 mandates. And I think that's a good place to end. So let's start by talking about Joe Rogan and Dave
00:01:07.700 Chappelle. The pushback that I'm talking about is not having to do anything with COVID. Now,
00:01:14.180 Joe Rogan has been outspoken. He posted this awesome video that I don't think that we ended up playing
00:01:20.960 on this show. There were a couple of videos that he put out. One was a clip from his show.
00:01:26.300 The other one was one that I saw that he shared maybe on YouTube, but I saw it on Instagram
00:01:30.380 saying, hey, that when you push people to the point of making them feel like they are dealing
00:01:36.760 with some kind of ultimatum to either take this medical treatment or be able to provide for their
00:01:42.240 family, that is a form of tyranny and totalitarianism. And if we don't hold on to the foundational values
00:01:49.420 upon which this country was built, we're going to lose all of it. We're going to lose
00:01:53.000 the freest republic in the world. So I highly recommend you going to his Instagram page and
00:01:58.840 watching that video. But that's not the pushback that I'm talking about today. I am talking about
00:02:04.400 the recent statements that both of them have made in regards to gender and transgenderism.
00:02:09.620 You've probably seen this story about Dave Chappelle circulating. Dave Chappelle's latest
00:02:15.560 Netflix special, The Closer, is getting a lot of attention. It's getting a lot of criticism,
00:02:20.700 at least from a small group of very loud people, from transgender Netflix employees and people on
00:02:27.400 social media and people in the liberal media, because in it, he says a few things. One of the things that
00:02:32.380 he says is gender is a fact. And what he means by that in context is that male and female biology
00:02:39.460 is a fact. Now, there's been a redefining of gender to be something that is separate from sex,
00:02:46.300 that some people say, okay, biological sex is male and female, but gender is something independent
00:02:52.220 from that. Gender is how you express yourself, which may not be male or female. Obviously, we completely
00:02:58.340 reject that idea that gender identity is something that is malleable, something that is detached from
00:03:04.820 biological sex was an idea that was originated by someone named Dr. John Money, who we have talked
00:03:11.460 about extensively on this podcast, who ended up being a perverted pedophile, who hypothesized that you
00:03:17.440 could choose your gender. He experimented on a young boy that he told the parents to raise him like a
00:03:25.240 girl, who will give him something that looks like female anatomy, call him Barbara, he'll be fine.
00:03:30.560 Well, he and his twin brother ended up not only being experimented on by this perverted Dr. John
00:03:36.040 Money, but they also ended up both committing suicide as adults. And that's a long story. You can go back
00:03:41.820 and listen to a previous episode that I did on that. So I reject this new idea, this newfangled gender
00:03:47.780 that is separate from biology. There might be different expressions that a man chooses to
00:03:55.540 manifest. He might like things that are known as more traditionally female or feminine. A woman might
00:04:04.580 like things or dress in a way that is more traditionally masculine. That's all well and good.
00:04:11.240 That's fine. But that does not erase the fact that there are two genders as well as two sexes. Gender
00:04:19.020 and sex are interchangeable. This idea that you can identify something other than your biology,
00:04:25.560 there may be a long philosophical history to something like that, but it's bunk science. It's
00:04:30.880 junk science. It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense, especially when it starts imposing on
00:04:36.060 people's language, their privacy and our understanding of reality and even tries to
00:04:43.800 influence scientific data and scientific literature itself. We'll talk about a little bit more about
00:04:50.320 that in just a second. But back to Dave Chappelle, what he means again, when he says gender is a fact
00:04:56.220 in his special is that male and female biology is a fact. He says every single one of us got here by
00:05:02.280 being pushed through a woman's legs. He says that is a fact. Now, I have some pushback on that. That's not
00:05:07.860 completely true. Some babies are cut out of a woman's abdomen, but the point stands. We all come from
00:05:14.840 a uterus, from the only kind of person that has a uterus, which is a woman. He talks about J.K. Rowling,
00:05:21.640 who he says that she was called a TERF, a word that he says that transgender people make up to win
00:05:27.940 arguments. It means trans, exclusionary, radical, feminist. He says that he is on team TERF, like he's
00:05:34.540 on her team. He says that women feel, and of course, this is a joke with a little bit of seriousness in
00:05:41.040 it, as most jokes are. He says that women feel about transgender people, what black people feel
00:05:47.420 about blackface. He says that they are, it's like the women are being impersonated without
00:05:54.220 actually having gone through any of the struggles and the experiences that girls do growing up, which
00:05:59.780 I mean, that's true. They don't have any of the experience that girls have growing up,
00:06:05.720 and those experiences are important. That's not reducing girls to having a period, but let's not
00:06:11.160 act like that part of being a girl isn't an important part of the female experience. It is.
00:06:16.680 But if you actually watch the special, he is very sympathetic toward transgender people. He talks about
00:06:22.360 a friend who identified as transgender who committed suicide. He just says, basically paraphrasing,
00:06:29.420 look, you can identify as trans, but that doesn't legitimately make you the opposite sex. He also
00:06:36.880 talks about how a rapper called DaBaby was canceled. The cancel mob came after him because he said some
00:06:43.300 mean things, legitimately mean things about gay people at a concert. But a few years ago, a few years
00:06:48.620 before that, he literally murdered a guy at Walmart in North Carolina, and he suffered no consequences,
00:06:54.360 no career consequences because of that. So Chappelle says, in our society, you can kill a person and
00:07:00.740 you're fine. But if you offend a gay person, if you hurt a gay person's feelings, it's over, which is a
00:07:05.000 funny point. It's a funny point. Well, all of that, particularly the trans stuff, got him in hot water
00:07:11.000 as he knew what happened. He even talked about that on the special. Glad tweeted, quote, Dave Chappelle's
00:07:16.820 brand has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities.
00:07:22.160 Negative reviews and viewers loudly condemning his latest special is a message to the industry.
00:07:28.660 The audiences don't support platforming anti-LGBTQ diatribes. We agree, except actually the reviews for
00:07:37.120 the special are really good. Like if you look at Rotten Tomatoes, the so-called critics have a low
00:07:42.300 rating, but the audience has a really high rating. Variety tweeted, quote, hashtag dear white people
00:07:49.680 showrunner. I guess that's a show. Jacqueline P. Moore announced Wednesday she'll be boycotting
00:07:54.520 Netflix over Dave Chappelle's transphobic news special. She opened up to Variety's Mark Malkin
00:08:00.380 about why she's taking a stand against the dangerous rhetoric. Now I'm using Variety's
00:08:06.820 terminology, but just to be clear, because I think clarity and honesty are really important.
00:08:12.300 This is a man, this person who says that he is boycotting Netflix over this. This is a man
00:08:19.160 who identifies as a woman who just a few months ago, you can look back on his Instagram,
00:08:24.940 just a few months ago dressed like a man, completely like a man, and now has grown out his hair and
00:08:30.000 wears makeup and jewelry and is now saying things like this, quote, I never loved Dave's trans
00:08:36.420 material before, but this time it felt different. More told Variety, this is the first time it felt
00:08:42.800 like, oh, people are laughing at this joke and they're agreeing that it's absurd to call me a
00:08:47.580 woman. And it's interesting to go look at all of the comments under that tweet. And all I have to say
00:08:52.680 that is, well, I don't know, like, I don't know what you want, how you want someone like him or how
00:09:00.520 you want people to respond. But this is also like, this is the exact situation that Chappelle talks
00:09:06.740 about in his special, that now all of a sudden white people now get more oppression points and
00:09:12.140 social capital than black people by claiming to be the opposite sex. And then accusing people like
00:09:17.980 Chappelle of punching down, that's something that he talks about a lot in the special, how he's
00:09:22.020 accused of punching down when he makes these jokes. So this person has lived his whole life as a white
00:09:27.880 male. And now, because in the past few months, he started wearing makeup and a dress, he evokes more
00:09:34.560 sympathy than a black man. Now, for the record, I don't think either of these people are oppressed in
00:09:40.880 the slightest, but it's definitely illogical to all of a sudden shed tears for a person who just a year
00:09:47.060 ago was living their life as a white man and now is claiming oppression because he changed how he
00:09:51.840 dresses. And just to note on the pronouns, we have a policy on this show and just in general to assert
00:10:01.040 that biology is not bigotry. Biology is not bigotry. I do not use he to talk about a man because I want
00:10:09.100 to be purposely inflammatory or because I want to be purposely offensive. We call people, we have all
00:10:17.040 always called people by particular pronouns according to their sex, at the very least, secondary sex
00:10:23.740 characteristics. Now, if a transgender person legitimately looks like the opposite sex, most people are not
00:10:30.440 going to go out of their way to call them him or call the person him if he looks like a woman. It all gets
00:10:38.400 so confusing. But I think that we have to own up to the fact or we just have to recognize the fact that
00:10:45.680 especially if a person, a man who identifies as woman, doesn't look like a woman, it's very difficult
00:10:52.560 to force everyone to bend not just their language, but their understanding of reality to try to appease
00:10:59.800 you. That's part of what it seems like from my interpretation Dave Chappelle is talking about. And look,
00:11:06.280 he is not some conservative by any means, but I do think that he plays a very important role here in
00:11:12.700 simply pointing out what's obviously true to a world that has been deluded, bullied into believing
00:11:18.840 that you can't say that the sky is blue or two plus two equals four or that only women give birth.
00:11:23.780 Like something we all knew was true 10 years ago that wasn't even mildly controversial, even though
00:11:29.740 there were people who considered themselves transgender, they probably didn't necessarily
00:11:33.900 call themselves transgender then. Like it was just known that even if people wanted to live a certain
00:11:38.800 way, even if people wanted to dress a certain way, even if they wanted to change their name,
00:11:42.480 even if they had a circle of people who changed their pronouns for them, this wasn't something that
00:11:46.920 we were forcing on the rest of society to redefine what it means to be human. I mean, that's really
00:11:52.340 what's going on is redefining what it means to be human and what it means to be able to bring forth
00:12:00.440 life. Like this is really fundamental stuff that is getting pushed in our faces and is getting forced
00:12:06.780 upon people. And it's not just that we have to now respect how people identify or accept how they want
00:12:15.980 to dress. Okay. It's not even that we only are expected to change our language, which I think that
00:12:23.920 that's too far, but it's not only that we are actually being expected to again, change our definition
00:12:30.020 of what a woman is. And as women, we have to be totally cool with having our worlds turned upside
00:12:35.980 down by using gender neutral terms about some of the things, some of the things that make us special
00:12:43.040 birthing people, chest feeding people with periods. We have to pretend that these unique experiences,
00:12:49.260 which are part of what make us female, what are part of what makes us women. They're not the only
00:12:55.420 things that make us women, but they are essential parts of what make us women. We have to pretend
00:12:59.460 that that's just open to everyone and not just women, that it's not special to us, that it's just
00:13:03.740 a human experience to start your period and to be able to get pregnant and have kids and all of
00:13:10.480 these things. And I understand that there are different disorders in which maybe a woman wouldn't
00:13:15.120 have a period or she's not able to have children or some women just don't have children. I'm not saying
00:13:20.300 that's everything that makes you a woman, but it's certainly part of what makes you a woman. Biology is an
00:13:25.160 essential part of womanhood and of manhood as well. We have to suddenly be okay as women with women and
00:13:34.900 girls sharing locker rooms and bathrooms with men and boys. I'm not seeing this pushed upon men,
00:13:40.560 by the way. There's not this debate on the other side of this, but we have to be okay with not just
00:13:45.160 sharing locker rooms and soccer teams and bathrooms, apparently, with men who identify as women.
00:13:51.440 But we also have to be okay with women sharing prison cells with male convicted sex offenders
00:14:00.200 who now all of a sudden say that they are women. That's happening in places like Washington and
00:14:04.880 California. That's not just some hypothetical situation. There was this terrible story,
00:14:09.380 actually, that I saw that the Daily Wire reported, Luke Rosiak reported for the Daily Wire, that in
00:14:15.040 Loudoun County in Virginia, where they're having all of these very intense school board meetings about
00:14:20.280 things like CRT, about things like, you know, radical transgender policy. And one of the debates
00:14:26.780 that was had over the summer, it was actually covered up that a few weeks before that, a 16-year-old
00:14:32.620 girl, actually, I think she was 15 at the time, she reported that she was raped by a boy in her class
00:14:39.940 that identified as gender fluid. And because he identified as gender fluid, he was able to go into
00:14:44.820 the girl's bathroom. And she reports that she was raped by this boy who identified as gender fluid.
00:14:50.320 Well, the dad came forward and said, hey, this happened to my daughter. And like, something needs
00:14:57.080 to be done about this. This actually matters. And he was actually told by a school official that a female
00:15:03.880 school official that she didn't believe his daughter. So it's believe all women until it gets
00:15:09.820 inconvenient with the different intersectional points when it comes to people who identify as
00:15:15.400 gender fluid. That's apparently the top of the oppression pack, that no matter what you know to
00:15:21.620 be true, no matter what you accuse these people of, it just, I don't know, it just slides off them
00:15:26.900 like Teflon, because that's the new world that we live in, where we have to deny reality, we have to deny
00:15:33.800 right versus wrong to try to acquiesce this small group of people. It doesn't make sense. So everyone
00:15:39.800 else has to bend their speech, their privacy, their knowledge of reality to people who are denying the
00:15:45.380 reality of male and female. And by the way, I just want to say, this does not, this does not represent
00:15:51.600 everyone who identifies as transgender. Like, I think that the people who truly struggle with gender
00:15:56.180 dysphoria, which that is a disorder, it's a rare disorder, but it's a disorder. People who truly struggle
00:16:02.900 with gender dysphoria are not always, I would say not typically, most of the time are not the ones
00:16:08.880 out front who are trying to say, yeah, you know, a naked man should be able to, you know, like the
00:16:14.580 we-spot situation should be able to walk around naked in front of underage girls in the name of,
00:16:20.760 you know, gender ideology. I don't think that this kind of radical activism and this kind of coercion
00:16:27.480 that we're seeing from the LGBTQ lobby necessarily represents the majority of people who struggle
00:16:34.140 with gender dysphoria or even who identify openly as transgender. I think it's a small, loud group of
00:16:40.300 people that know that they will get attention, they will get pats on the back, they will get some kind
00:16:45.420 of, you know, social capital, social rewards if they go against someone like Dave Chappelle, who is simply
00:16:51.020 saying things that are objectively true. But I think it's good. I think it's good that people like Dave
00:16:56.560 Chappelle, who are not simply Christian conservatives, that they're out pointing out the absurdity of
00:17:06.140 all of this. And Joe Rogan is another person who has talked about this several times. He's had
00:17:10.740 Abigail Schreier, who talks about rapid onset gender dysphoria among young girls in her book,
00:17:16.740 Irreversible Damage. He has had her on. He has had Meghan Murphy on. We've had both of them on.
00:17:22.020 Meghan Murphy got kicked off of Twitter. I think it was 2018 for simply saying that a man is a man.
00:17:27.940 I disagree with both of those people about certain things. Certainly Meghan Murphy, she is pro-choice.
00:17:34.380 We disagree on some things, but they are both people who have stood up for reality and have stood up
00:17:39.900 for women, have stood up for facts. And Joe Rogan has had both of them on his show before.
00:17:45.000 And he posted just the other day on Instagram, a picture of a segment of healthline.com
00:17:51.140 that says, quote, yes, it's possible for men to become pregnant and give birth to children of
00:17:56.780 their own. In fact, it's probably a lot more common than you might think. And his caption said,
00:18:01.820 plot twist. So I just think it's funny. I think it's funny that there are people who don't consider
00:18:10.240 themselves conservatives who are probably quite liberal in a lot of ways, pointing out the
00:18:16.140 ridiculousness of all of this. That article on Healthline, by the way, goes on to say that men
00:18:22.240 who give birth have ovaries and uteruses and a vagina, aka they're women. Now, why I think it's good that
00:18:29.180 people like this are pushing back against this attempt to rewrite human nature is because it gives
00:18:35.460 other people cover. And it's going to take people who are not just like me, Christian conservatives,
00:18:43.100 questioning it. It gives people just in regular society who aren't in political media, who maybe
00:18:51.300 aren't even religious like I am to say, you know what? We see what human beings are. We're not going
00:18:58.700 to completely rewrite all of the rules that we have known for all of human history everywhere in the
00:19:03.460 world because some people want to bring upon us this Orwellian world in which two plus two don't
00:19:14.080 equal four. Now, ultimately, for me, as we've talked about several times, and we won't get into all of
00:19:19.500 the complexities of this, this is biblical. Yes, it's scientific. Yes, it's obvious, but it's also
00:19:26.520 biblical. This is a Genesis 1 issue that God made them male and female. In his image,
00:19:32.360 he created them male and female. So again, that goes back to this is part of what it means to be
00:19:38.200 human. It's part of what it means to be made in God's image. And I know people say, well,
00:19:42.320 there's intersex people. Yes, there are intersex people. That is a very rare genetic anomaly or
00:19:48.180 different kinds of hormonal anomalies that someone who is considered intersex, which is kind of an
00:19:53.200 umbrella term, might be. But that doesn't change the fact that human beings are male and female.
00:19:59.880 Now, that's just a fact. That's just a biological fact. In the same way that, yes, there are some
00:20:07.600 babies that are born with one leg, but that doesn't change the fact that human beings are
00:20:12.300 bipeds. The exceptions don't rewrite the rules, especially biological rules. And by the way, it's not
00:20:20.600 just Genesis 1 that talks about male and female. This is reiterated throughout Scripture. Jesus reiterates
00:20:27.280 it in Matthew 19. So it's, again, not just a biological fact, but it's a biblical reality
00:20:32.600 that is reiterated over and over again and originated by the God who created us. And if
00:20:38.060 anything, if anyone gets the trump card, it's him. Okay, let's talk about Southwest. We touched on it
00:20:47.620 a little bit at the beginning of yesterday's show. Yesterday's show, I was with Chris Ruffo. We talked
00:20:53.200 about critical race theory in schools and how Biden's Department of Justice is mobilizing the
00:20:58.000 FBI against concerned parents, what that means, how you should respond as a parent in light of that,
00:21:03.700 why all of us parents are not should care about that. So go listen to yesterday's episode if you
00:21:07.660 haven't. But we talked a little bit about Southwest at the beginning. And now that I have more details
00:21:13.040 and I've talked to some of you who work for Southwest, I feel like I can fill in the gaps a little bit.
00:21:18.160 So you may have seen over the weekend, the news reports and the tweets about about 2000 flights,
00:21:24.880 Southwest flights that were canceled in a matter of a couple days. The videos that we saw were of
00:21:30.780 airport chaos. I mean, it was madness. People weren't able to book other flights. They couldn't
00:21:36.200 find hotel rooms. I mean, it just looks awful. There's truly there's nothing more stressful. I mean,
00:21:41.320 there are probably a few things, but there are a few things more stressful than being stranded in an
00:21:45.980 airport. It looks awful. I really feel for anyone who was affected by this. Like I said, yesterday,
00:21:50.560 I was traveling this weekend. And even though, you know, I mean, I was just I was just thankful. I was
00:21:57.360 thankful that I wasn't affected by it. But I really do sympathize for all of you who were affected by
00:22:03.440 it because it's it's just the worst. But I've also talked to a lot of you who were affected. And you
00:22:09.320 say that because of what we're about to talk about, you're actually okay that you had to be
00:22:14.320 inconvenienced. And what I what I mean by that is that there were bits of info that started
00:22:19.360 circulating on Twitter that turned into a narrative. And that narrative is that Southwest
00:22:23.420 employees walked off the job in mass to protest vaccine mandates that Southwest recently announced
00:22:29.640 that all employees must be vaccinated by December 8th. I've actually seen the email from the CEO
00:22:37.020 talking about this and saying that everyone must be vaccinated by December 8th. I just think that's
00:22:44.620 odd. I mean, that's right before Christmas. We're talking about not just disrupting the lives of the
00:22:50.820 people being fired. I mean, that sucks right before the holidays. But also think about the surge of
00:22:56.460 travel that happens around the holidays. Just strange timing, right? Like, it's just it's just
00:23:02.560 strange. However, in response to that narrative that was circulating on Twitter, Southwest put out
00:23:07.920 a statement saying this quote, on Friday evening, the airline ended the day with numerous cancellations
00:23:13.740 primarily created by weather and other external constraints, which left aircraft and crews out of
00:23:19.000 preplanned positions to operate their schedule on Saturday. Unfortunately, the out of place aircraft and
00:23:24.520 continued strain on our crew resources created additional cancellations across our point to point
00:23:30.720 network that cascaded throughout the weekend and into Monday. So the problem with this, with this
00:23:37.300 statement, as many are pointing out, is that other airlines operating in the same places did not see
00:23:43.340 mass cancellations due to weather. In fact, there weren't high numbers of cancellations at all on other
00:23:49.480 airlines. Like they were saying specifically Southwest was saying, oh, bad weather in Florida, you know,
00:23:54.960 caused caused these cancellations, these specific cancellations in this region. But people
00:24:00.700 living in Florida are like, what are you talking about? The weather was fine. The union also
00:24:05.580 representing Southwest Airline Pilots, Southwest Airline Pilots Association, echoed that there was
00:24:12.520 no official walkout. They said this quote, SWAPA is aware of operational difficulties affecting Southwest
00:24:18.860 Airlines today due to a number of issues. But we can say with confidence that our pilots are not
00:24:24.340 participating in any official or unofficial job actions. However, however, let me say in response
00:24:33.180 to those two statements, reporter Alex Berenson reported something on his substack that that was
00:24:39.700 also affirmed by someone who wrote to me who works for Southwest. They both said that allegedly the union
00:24:47.420 and Southwest had a really tense, a bad negotiation a few years ago that ended in the union promising
00:24:53.580 the pilots would not officially or unofficially do something like this, that they wouldn't just walk
00:24:58.180 off the job. Tucker Carlson reported last night that it was a stick out, that pilots can't say it
00:25:04.520 because of that, you know, promise that the union made that apparently maybe they don't even have to
00:25:09.480 talk to each other about it. But Tucker Carlson is reporting that they know 100 percent that pilots did
00:25:16.240 call in sick and they did stay home. That was the reason for the cancellations. At the same time,
00:25:21.400 one thing we do know is that there were a number of air traffic controllers in Jacksonville, Florida,
00:25:25.320 who decided to walk off the job in protest of Joe Biden's vaccine mandate that requires them
00:25:30.740 as federal employees to get the vaccine by next month. I talked to a few of you who either work for
00:25:38.560 Southwest or whose parents or your spouse works for Southwest. And the consensus, at least on my end,
00:25:45.620 is pretty clear because a lot of you didn't know everything that was going on. You didn't have
00:25:50.820 like a whole lot of inside information. You're just piecing things together yourself.
00:25:54.900 There are lots of employees at Southwest who have not gotten the vaccine and who don't want to get
00:25:59.460 the vaccine. But none of you who talked to me confirmed to me that this was a massive pilot
00:26:05.840 stick out. Now, maybe I'm sure that, you know, Tucker Carlson has much deeper contacts than I do.
00:26:11.360 And so I don't doubt at all that it's been confirmed to them. In my conversations, you guys did not
00:26:15.900 confirm that to me. What I did hear is that lots of employees are filing for exemptions.
00:26:21.400 But Southwest has already told you that the acceptance of those exemptions will be very rare.
00:26:29.040 Some employees are holding out hope that Southwest is going to reverse their requirement.
00:26:33.440 government. But Southwest and all of these airlines are under immense pressure by the federal
00:26:39.220 government. And I really feel I really feel for I really feel for the employees, because a lot of
00:26:47.320 you have told me how much you love working for Southwest, like the number one thing that Southwest
00:26:52.000 says they look for is a servant's heart. And the employees, especially the pilots, have exemplified
00:26:58.220 that for a long time. A lot of you guys really like the CEO. And you've told me that this just
00:27:05.380 puts a lot of pressure on you that this has been really stressful, and that it's been really tiring
00:27:10.100 for the pilots, which is not at all safe when you're thinking about like what they're operating,
00:27:15.240 being exhausted and being overly stressed, like doesn't lend itself to safety at all. So again,
00:27:21.360 if this were about people's health, would you really put this kind of stress on the thousands
00:27:25.680 of pilots who apparently don't want to go along with this vaccine mandate? So you're being put
00:27:32.480 in a position of either getting a shot that you don't want or don't need or not being able to
00:27:42.420 provide for your family. And there are many reasons why people wouldn't get the shot. Like you have
00:27:46.900 strong antibodies, which are likely stronger than the shot, as we have talked about many times,
00:27:52.060 the many studies that show that, in particular, a large preprint study coming out of Israel.
00:27:57.760 Maybe you have a history of vaccine injury, which is a real thing. You have some other condition that
00:28:02.460 prevents you from being able to get not just this vaccine, but any vaccines. Maybe you have a sincere
00:28:10.320 moral or religious qualm with this vaccine because it was researched using cell lines from aborted
00:28:15.340 babies, which is not some conspiracy. It is actually true. And faithful Christians disagree
00:28:20.940 on the ethics of that. There are some Christians who I've heard ethical arguments that are persuasive
00:28:25.440 both ways about getting vaccines that are either the research or the development
00:28:33.460 involved fetal cell lines. Christians disagree on the ethics of that. But no Christian or any person
00:28:41.060 should be forced to violate their conscience when it comes to something so serious, especially when
00:28:45.500 it comes to a new vaccine. I know the RNA technology has been around for a long time.
00:28:50.460 I am not anti. I'm not I'm not anti vaccine. I hate even saying that. I'm so tired of like
00:28:56.140 giving that caveat. I'm so tired of hearing people give that caveat because it doesn't actually matter.
00:29:00.240 I can say all day long, I'm not anti vaccine. I'm not anti this vaccine. I can say that all day long.
00:29:04.780 People are still going to call me an anti vaxxer because I'm anti forced vaccination. So it doesn't even
00:29:09.880 matter. I should just stop even giving that caveat. But especially when it comes to something,
00:29:14.960 even though the RNA technology has been around for a long time, like some people just still want to
00:29:20.480 see more. They still want to see more research. They still want to see the side effects. They're
00:29:24.160 looking at some of the numbers and they're saying, wow, I know a lot of people who have been fully
00:29:27.760 vaccinated and got sick. And I know everyone is saying that, oh, well, yeah, sure. They got sick.
00:29:35.380 It's a leaky vaccine, whatever. They got sick. But at least they didn't get a serious case. But the
00:29:39.640 numbers show they probably wouldn't have gotten a serious case anyway. So you don't actually know
00:29:43.520 if the vaccine that they got really did stop the severity of the illness. You don't know. Maybe
00:29:50.000 that's what it that's what the data seems to show that it does stop severe illness. But we don't
00:29:55.420 know that everyone who gets COVID after getting the vaccine didn't get a severe case only because of
00:30:00.080 the vaccine. If they're young and healthy, they probably wouldn't have gotten a severe case.
00:30:02.860 Anyway, I want to dig into the Christian response to this. What I believe the Christian response to
00:30:10.660 this vaccine mandates, the choice of vaccine, the vaccine itself should be. And we'll get there in
00:30:15.800 just one second. All right. So I have been kind of disturbed by the reaction that I've seen by
00:30:24.680 professing Christians in response to people who have sincere qualms with this vaccine or hesitations
00:30:32.120 about it or you don't even have hesitations about it themselves. But they just don't like the vaccine
00:30:37.700 mandates. And I've told you guys, in case you're wondering, like, I don't talk about my vaccine
00:30:43.320 status. Like even that phrase is so crazy to me because I think we should normalize not even say
00:30:49.480 like, I don't care. I don't care whether or not you're vaccinated because I think that it is your
00:30:54.960 choice. If it truly simply works to stop the severity of it or lessen the chances of death,
00:31:02.700 which I do think that the data bears that out pretty well, then I don't care. If you can still
00:31:08.020 get it and transmit it to other people, then I mean, I don't really care if you get the vaccine
00:31:13.040 or not. You shouldn't care if I get the vaccine anyway. That has not been the response of some
00:31:18.320 professing Christians. The fact that there are Christian influencers and pastors completely bypassing
00:31:23.580 that reality that I just talked about and the reality of the fact that people have real hesitations,
00:31:29.380 that they're not giving any credence to the hesitation that people have because of the
00:31:35.740 reasons that we just listed, it's truly grotesque to me. Like it is an area of Christian liberty that
00:31:40.480 we as Christians should be so quick to honor. Like this should not be a left or right issue.
00:31:46.040 You have professing Christians who are always so quick to poo-poo on Christians who they view as
00:31:52.300 right-wing conspiracy theorists who are actually just people with sincere differences in belief,
00:31:57.560 particularly when it comes to COVID measures and this vaccine. I mean, these are the same people
00:32:03.000 who would have been in Soviet Russia being like, you know, everything is probably fine. It's, you know,
00:32:08.720 that person got arrested in the, you know, in the middle of the night, but you know, they probably
00:32:14.680 actually did something wrong. And then things just close in on them and they're like, oh,
00:32:19.100 we're living in a police state. Like they're so, they're, they're so dedicated to being accepted
00:32:25.640 by secular progressives that they will just absolutely try to make fun of and belittle and
00:32:33.980 condescend to their fellow Christians who have different views than them on things like the
00:32:37.860 vaccine masks and things like that. It's the big evangelical complex. They're truly so embarrassed
00:32:44.020 by so many people who agree with them on the gospel, but disagree with them on things like
00:32:49.940 critical race theory or Trump or COVID. They're so desperate for approval of secular progressives
00:32:54.760 and they work so hard to distance themselves from conservative Christians whom they just deem
00:32:59.080 as Christian nationalists and can't even define the term. It's super sad. Like it's super sad,
00:33:04.520 but this isn't the first time. Like this should comfort us. I think it's super interesting and it
00:33:09.340 should also be a little bit comforting. I think should also be guidance for us. History tends to
00:33:14.020 be that. The fact that Christians have argued over vaccines before. If you go all the way back
00:33:21.140 to the 18th century, you can learn about really fierce debates between Christians about inoculation.
00:33:27.080 Founders Ministries has a great article by Ben Purves. I think that's how you say his last name. Maybe
00:33:32.300 it's Purves. On their website detailing the disagreements between Christians during the smallpox
00:33:39.140 epidemic of 1791 in Boston. So Cotton Mathers, he was a Christian who learned about the process of
00:33:49.420 inoculation from his slave, Onesimus, and Mathers became a huge fan, a huge promoter of this method.
00:33:56.280 He convinced a doctor in the area to start taking the blood of a sick person and
00:34:02.180 putting it into a small cut of a not sick person. And then what happened was the mortality rate from
00:34:07.400 smallpox among those who were inoculated went from 15% to 2%. So 15% of those who were not inoculated
00:34:15.200 to 2% of those who were inoculated. But there were also people who died from that inoculation. And
00:34:21.900 most famously, the fire and brimstone preacher, you know, sinners in the hands of an angry God,
00:34:26.700 Jonathan Edwards. Edwards was a big believer in inoculation. He got it for smallpox.
00:34:32.180 And he and his daughter ended up dying because of it 30 years after Mathers and Onesimus developed
00:34:39.140 and promoted the method. Even though people could die from the inoculation, though, Mathers' father,
00:34:46.680 Increase Mather, very interesting names, did a lot of PR for it from the beginning. So back when the
00:34:53.920 smallpox was breaking out in Boston about 30 years before Jonathan Edwards died,
00:34:58.260 there were people dying then too from the inoculation. But Increase Mathers argued that
00:35:04.660 to not get inoculated is the same thing as breaking the biblical command to not murder. So this sounds
00:35:11.140 really familiar. He argued that people who didn't get inoculated were followers of Satan. Take that
00:35:17.340 big, Eva. You guys are on the same side as the slaveholder when it comes to this vaccine stuff.
00:35:22.180 That gets a little complicated. However, this article in Founders Ministries also notes,
00:35:29.080 despite these tactics, it is surprising to note that Increase Mather did not want anyone
00:35:34.840 to receive inoculation contrary to conscience, but instead for them to be persuaded to change
00:35:40.540 their mind. So actually, even Increase Mathers and Cotton Mathers were a little bit more considerate
00:35:48.180 and a little bit more logical when it came to this than some of the professing Christians are today
00:35:55.480 when it comes to this. There were also pastors who argued that anyone getting the inoculation
00:36:02.320 didn't trust God and were themselves not faithful Christians. The article says this,
00:36:09.020 quote,
00:36:09.080 In reading multiple sermons and letters from this period, opposing sides of the inoculation debate
00:36:14.140 would manipulate scripture to advocate for their position, sometimes with both sides using the
00:36:19.120 Sixth Commandment to argue their case. In contrast to these polar opposites were the voices that
00:36:24.000 appealed to Romans 14 and viewed inoculation as an issue of the liberty of conscience. So the article
00:36:30.520 includes this letter written by Pastor John Newton on June 3rd, 1777, quote,
00:36:35.520 It seems I must write something about the smallpox, but I know not well what. Having had it myself,
00:36:41.640 I cannot judge how I would feel if I were actually exposed to it. I am not a professed advocate
00:36:46.620 for inoculation, but if a person who fears the Lord should tell me, I think I can do it in faith,
00:36:52.000 looking upon it as an expedient which God in His providence has discovered and which therefore
00:36:57.540 appears my duty to have recourse to, so that my mind does not hesitate with respect to the lawfulness,
00:37:05.620 nor am I anxious about the event, being satisfied that whether I live or die,
00:37:10.460 I am in that path in which I can cheerfully expect this blessing. I do not know that I
00:37:16.580 could offer a word by way of dissuasion. He goes on to say, but if another person should say,
00:37:23.600 my times are in the Lord's hands, I am now in health and I'm not willing to bring upon myself
00:37:28.080 a disorder, the consequences of which I cannot possibly foresee. So they're saying, you know,
00:37:32.480 if something happens to me because of the vaccine, like I don't want to take that risk.
00:37:36.720 John Newton is saying that this person could go on to say,
00:37:41.480 if I am to have the smallpox, I believe he is the best judge of the season and manner in which
00:37:46.140 I shall be visited, talking about God, so as may be most for his glory and my own good.
00:37:52.260 And therefore, I choose to wait his appointment and not to rush upon even the possibility of danger
00:37:56.460 without a call. If the very hairs of my head are numbered, I have no reason to fear that,
00:38:01.060 supposing I receive the smallpox in a natural way, I shall have a single pimple more than he sees
00:38:06.560 expedient. And why should I wish to have one less? So they understood then, many, many years ago,
00:38:14.420 hundreds of years ago, that, or at least John Newton understood that this is an area of Christian
00:38:20.080 liberty. And of course, earlier when I was talking about some people being on the side of slave
00:38:25.320 holders, that was a joke because a lot of people in Big Eva and the Big Evangelical Complex
00:38:33.520 actually discount all of the theology and all of the points by slave holders from hundreds of years
00:38:41.560 ago. I just think it's interesting that they're actually holding some of the same views on the
00:38:48.180 sinfulness of not taking a vaccine as people that we know held slaves. Then I think that we should
00:38:55.320 just all embrace the fact that history can be very complicated. But the point is that these
00:39:01.660 these arguments have been had, like these arguments have been had. I personally think that John Newton
00:39:07.140 nails it, that there are different ways to look at this. Now, the fetal cell line does add another
00:39:14.340 complicated layer, but I have heard arguments, persuasive biblical arguments from people like
00:39:19.660 Al Mohler, persuasive biblical arguments from people like John Piper about that particular issue.
00:39:26.280 And so I do believe that this is an area of Christian liberty. And Christians should be
00:39:31.980 so, so quick and so passionate about honoring that Christian liberty and should be so slow to say,
00:39:41.240 if you get the vaccine, it's because you hate babies and you're not really Christian and you
00:39:44.960 don't trust God. Or if you do get the vaccine, or if you don't get the vaccine, it's because you hate
00:39:49.440 your neighbor and you're not loving. Look, there are risks that you take every day that may or may not put
00:39:55.240 your neighbor at risk. You take that risk every time you get into the car, especially if you're
00:39:59.360 someone who has ever texted and driven. Now, if you have texted and you have driven at the same time,
00:40:04.880 does that mean that you are a hateful person who doesn't love your neighbor? Maybe you were being
00:40:08.580 reckless at that time and you shouldn't have done it. But I mean, we all take risks every day.
00:40:14.620 And most of us don't consider ourselves, you know, hateful people who don't love our neighbor because of
00:40:19.960 risks that we take. And especially when it comes to this, when there's like, there's a downside,
00:40:26.180 there is a possible downside. There are side effects that come with this shot. They may be rare. Some
00:40:31.660 people argue based on the VAERS database that they're not exactly rare. I've even heard doctors
00:40:36.600 say that. But there are risks that people have to consider. And to say that you have to take this risk
00:40:42.780 or else you're not a good Christian or else you can't feed your family, that's criminal to me.
00:40:46.940 That's so wrong. And that's why I think that Christians should be the first people
00:40:50.480 as really the reformed Christian tradition shows us to be the first people to stand up for people's
00:40:56.740 liberty. And we're talking about loving your neighbor. Why is it not loving your neighbor
00:41:00.780 to stand up for their liberty, to not take a, you know, a shot that they don't want to take that
00:41:06.220 maybe they don't even need? Why is that not a way to love your neighbor? I'm your neighbor. That's
00:41:10.760 how you can love me. I'm your neighbor. You can love me by defending my liberty. I'm going to love
00:41:16.440 other people by defending their liberty. I also don't want to get them sick. That's why I'm not
00:41:20.160 going to be around people if I'm sick. And, you know, we can all make a decision about the vaccine
00:41:28.540 if we want to take that. And we won't get into that all right now. But it is an area of Christian
00:41:32.920 liberty. It should be an area of American liberty as well. It should be an area of civil liberty.
00:41:39.120 There are other people that are pushing back against this. So Southwest Air Pilots kind of
00:41:46.320 circling back to that, the union that represents them, according to Bloomberg.com, before this
00:41:54.500 alleged sick out that happened that allegedly led to the cancellation of these flights, the Southwest
00:42:03.580 Airlines company Pilots asked the court to temporarily block the company from carrying out
00:42:08.900 federally mandated coronavirus vaccinations until an existing lawsuit over alleged U.S. labor law
00:42:13.540 violations is resolved. So we know from that that the unions are upset about this or that this
00:42:19.380 particular union is upset. That means that a good number of pilots are upset about this. So it's not
00:42:24.520 coming from out of nowhere, this idea that a lot of pilots are pushing back against this and might
00:42:29.440 have possibly taken an action that disrupted the flights in Southwest. There are still there are NBA stars
00:42:36.860 like Kyrie Irving who are refusing to get vaccinated and are speaking out against the
00:42:41.600 mandates. Kyrie Irving can't play in the Brooklyn Nets home games because he hasn't gotten a COVID-19
00:42:48.500 vaccine. Apparently he's standing strong about that. And there obviously we had Jonathan Isaac.
00:42:56.500 He is he plays for the Orlando Magic. He has had COVID and he's saying that he doesn't believe in the
00:43:02.540 mandates. There were a few other players that spoke out against that. There are celebrities like Nicki
00:43:08.460 Minaj who said, you know, people should have their own choice. They should have liberty when it comes to
00:43:15.540 this. There was another there was an actress who was the actress that was in Black Panther
00:43:22.980 who also spoke out against the mandates. Let's see. Oh, Letitia Wright. So she apparently, you know,
00:43:34.860 the media is saying that she was anti-vax, which I'm just now like pulling this up on DuckDuckGo right
00:43:40.720 now. And so I don't know exactly what she shared, but she pushed back on the mandates and forced
00:43:46.800 vaccinations and things like that. And I just wonder, like, how is the media squaring
00:43:52.400 their criticism of anti-vaxxers with their constant push to elevate Black voices? Because
00:44:00.280 some of the loudest voices against vaccine mandates are Black. So it's just so strange. Like,
00:44:07.060 we've seen so much hypocrisy. And I tweeted about this, that the same people who want to elevate Black
00:44:16.000 voices when it comes to Black Lives Matter, they don't want to hear the Black voices that are against
00:44:20.720 the vaccine mandates. The health care for all folks want hospitals to deny service to the
00:44:27.680 unvaccinated. The, quote, anti-racist crowd has nothing to say about vaccine passports disproportionately
00:44:33.040 affecting Black people because because the majority of Black people in the United States are not
00:44:41.100 vaccinated. The bodily autonomy activists deny bodily autonomy when it comes to consenting to a
00:44:48.880 medical procedure or at least not having an ultimatum when it comes to a medical procedure.
00:44:54.900 They're only for bodily autonomy, I guess, when it comes to killing a baby. The defund the police
00:44:59.780 people are eerily quiet about police force against dissenters in Canada and Australia who have been
00:45:05.280 beaten for just peacefully protesting. The speak truth to power politicians cheer on the big tech censorship
00:45:13.120 of proven therapeutics and prophylactics and questions about mask mandates and things like
00:45:19.620 that. The so-called anti-fascists have no problem with the obvious wedding of corporate and federal
00:45:25.780 power. The, quote, pro-democracy advocates seem OK with the DOJ and the FBI coming after concerned
00:45:33.440 parents when it comes to mask mandates and CRTs and things like that. The pro-worker congresspeople have
00:45:39.440 yet to publicly support the airline unions or speak out about the mass firing to the working class
00:45:43.960 who they were all applauding a year ago as our health care heroes. I mean, it's great. Like we have
00:45:49.880 seen if there's one good part about all of this, we have seen a lot of hypocrisy be exposed.
00:45:58.500 All right. So that's all that we have got for today. I'll just repeat what I said yesterday.
00:46:04.660 Like this fight for liberty matters. This pushback for liberty matters. Keep on raising a respectful
00:46:11.720 ruckus. I posted on Instagram some organizations that are helping with legal help and financial help
00:46:22.200 for those of you who need it. A lot of you ask me every day, what do I do? My job is mandating this
00:46:27.840 shot. I don't want to work for a company that's mandating the shot or you don't want to get the shot
00:46:32.300 yourself. And so you're looking for, you're looking for help. I posted some of those organizations on
00:46:40.120 my story. And so make sure you go look to them because I, I linked or I tagged them. And so you
00:46:45.580 can go check them out. Pacific Justice Institute, Liberty Council, apparently Apologia Church is
00:46:51.860 helping out military who have gotten the boot because of this, ForUnitedSolutions.org, Family
00:46:57.380 Research Council, Alliance Defending Freedom, ICAN-DECIDE. That's I-C-A-N-DECIDE. So there are
00:47:06.300 opposingmedicaltyranny.com. There are a few outlets that are pushing back against this or a few
00:47:13.400 organizations. And so try to get in contact with them if you need help with this. Again, this has
00:47:18.400 not very much to do with the vaccine itself for a lot of people. For some people it does. It really
00:47:23.340 has to do with personal choice and freedom. And I think it's really important that we stand together
00:47:27.260 in solidarity on this. Gosh, especially from a Christian perspective, we should be the foremost
00:47:31.500 advocates for Christian liberty and civil liberty. All right, that's all I've got for today. Tomorrow,
00:47:36.360 we're going to talk about what's happening with the supply chains. Like why are some grocery stores not
00:47:40.640 able to restock their food? Why aren't you able to get the supplies that you need to redo
00:47:45.200 your bathroom the way that you have been saving up for and wanting to? There are a lot of
00:47:51.400 questions about that that I can't answer. Why are there so many shipping containers
00:47:54.700 off the coast of California that aren't able to unload their ships? So we're going to talk to
00:47:58.940 someone who is a logistics expert, who is a supply chain expert tomorrow. He's going to answer our
00:48:03.420 many questions. And then on Thursday, we've got a really interesting interview that I'm excited about
00:48:10.200 that I'll announce tomorrow. All right. See you guys tomorrow.