Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 520 ｜ Vaccine Mandates： Anti-Freedom, Anti-Logic & Anti-Science ｜ Guest： Ben Shapiro

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week.

00:00:14.460 So my surprise guest yesterday, I know that a lot of you guys were shocked. I had a lot

00:00:21.460 of different guesses as to who it could be. Last week when I put it out there that I was

00:00:26.900 having a big surprise guest and most of you didn't think that it would be that big of a guest. And so

00:00:32.280 I loved seeing y'all's reactions. I had the whole plan that I wasn't going to, at least on

00:00:36.980 the listening side, I wasn't going to put his name in the title. I wasn't going to put it in

00:00:41.560 the description. I wasn't going to announce it on social media, at least until a lot of you

00:00:47.200 had already downloaded it. The most faithful listeners I knew were going to be the people

00:00:53.320 that were going to be pleased by the surprise the most. And we're going to enjoy not knowing

00:01:01.220 who it was. And I just loved the idea of you not knowing that it was going to be Trump until you

00:01:08.420 heard his voice. And just the messages that I got from you guys saying that you screamed,

00:01:15.660 that you couldn't believe it, that you felt like you needed to pull over on the side of the road.

00:01:19.660 That's exactly what I wanted. That was exactly what I wanted. And so thank you for all of the

00:01:24.520 sweet messages and for the encouragement. I really appreciate it. No matter what your view is on

00:01:32.540 Trump, whether or not you voted for Trump, I appreciate that you appreciated the significance

00:01:39.160 of that conversation. And as for everyone saying, you know, you should have asked him this, or there

00:01:45.160 weren't really that many people sending me those kinds of messages, but a few messages and comments,

00:01:48.780 of course, saying, why didn't you ask him this? Why didn't you bring up this? Why didn't you push

00:01:52.840 back on this? I only had 15 minutes. We actually went a little over. He was gracious with his time.

00:01:58.060 We had a little over 15 minutes and there were a lot of questions that I wanted to get to.

00:02:02.200 And you know, if you press in on one particular point that the interviewee makes, then you're going

00:02:08.740 to spend several more minutes on that. Those are several minutes that you can't then use to ask the

00:02:14.960 other questions that you want. Now, maybe one day I will have the wonderful opportunity to sit down

00:02:19.500 with him for an hour or longer, and I can ask him all of the questions that I want to ask him.

00:02:24.560 There are so many things that I wanted to press in on that he brought up that we just didn't have

00:02:29.080 time to. So I wanted to talk about some news items, a couple of political things. And then I also wanted

00:02:34.900 to ask him questions that you may have not heard other people ask him before, like how does he

00:02:41.340 maintain the relationships with his family members that he seems to have done so successfully for

00:02:48.460 so long? So if you haven't listened to that, definitely go back and listen to yesterday's

00:02:52.960 episode. It's obviously no longer a surprise and you can watch it on YouTube as well. And it was just,

00:03:00.820 it was such a great, fun opportunity. He is so, when people ask me, when my friends texted me

00:03:06.280 afterward asking me how it went, I just said, he's just Trump. Like he just is who he is. He's

00:03:13.260 consistent. No matter who he's talking to, no matter what he's talking about, he is going to be true to

00:03:18.600 himself and true to his personality. And that in itself, I think is something to admire him for.

00:03:25.440 All right. Today, we are going to talk to another guest, another big name guest, and that is Ben Shapiro

00:03:31.640 about Joe Biden's vaccine mandate that requires companies with a hundred employees or more

00:03:36.780 to require vaccines or weekly testing and constant masking for their employees that officially took

00:03:43.780 effect last Friday. So he's going to break down for us what it is, what it means. There's no one

00:03:49.720 that can explain these complicated matters better than Ben Shapiro. He is going to talk about what the

00:03:55.400 governors and the companies are doing to push back. But we recorded that actually on Friday.

00:04:02.220 And while all the information is still accurate and relevant that you're going to hear him convey,

00:04:07.340 there has been a development that I just want to say before we actually start that conversation.

00:04:11.960 After the conversation, I'm going to talk some more about news surrounding the vaccines,

00:04:16.700 the numbers surrounding the vaccines, why a lot of this just isn't adding up, what's going on there,

00:04:21.580 vaccines in regards to children and some of the mandates coming down the pipeline with that.

00:04:27.000 So we have more to talk about after I talk about or after I talk to Ben. But before we talk to Ben,

00:04:32.320 let me just say that the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals has blocked the mandate from going into place.

00:04:38.960 However, the Biden administration is saying that this decision by the Fifth Circuit

00:04:43.580 appellate court shouldn't stop companies from implementing the new rule while the courts are working

00:04:49.780 it out. This is at least the second time the Biden administration has tried to go around judicial

00:04:55.560 decisions. They tried to enact an eviction moratorium at the expense of working class

00:05:01.200 landlords, even when the Supreme Court ruled that they and the CDC had no authority to do so.

00:05:07.460 They said, well, we're just going to do it anyway. We're just going to we're just going to make

00:05:12.460 sure that landlords cannot evict the tenants who aren't paying rent anyway. 70 percent of landlords

00:05:18.660 are just working class people who manage one or two properties. They're not some rich misers who

00:05:26.660 are, you know, managing millions of properties for millions of dollars. That's just not true of

00:05:32.060 landlords. And it's not fair to say that you're not allowed to collect rent from tenants who are

00:05:36.740 refusing to pay and who have been given multiple stimulus checks. By the way, for at least one of the

00:05:43.980 purposes of the stimulus checks is to or was to give people the ability to do things like pay rent. And

00:05:51.260 so they were punishing landlords for really no reason, trying to say that you can evict people who

00:05:58.300 are not paying their rent. Supreme Court said you can't do that. The Biden administration said, oh, we're

00:06:03.160 going to do it anyway. They're doing the same thing here. They're ignoring this decision by the Fifth

00:06:07.440 Circuit Appellate Court. And they're saying, oh, we're going to try to implement the rule anyway.

00:06:13.340 Trump was called an authoritarian for far less. By the way, when you have an administration, when you

00:06:19.360 have a power that is circumventing the checks and balances that were put in place in order to stop

00:06:30.560 tyrants from enacting totalitarian power, that makes you a tyrant, right? Like that makes you an

00:06:37.240 authoritarian. And yet you don't see the left complaining about this because, as I've said

00:06:41.400 before, I've noticed that among our leftist friends, they call authoritarian simply things

00:06:47.120 they don't like. So they'll call, for example, the abortion law in Texas, which was passed by duly 0.85

00:06:53.760 elected officials in Texas. They'll call it that authoritarian, but they won't call the executive

00:07:01.740 branch going past circumventing the checks and balances put in place, put in place and placed

00:07:09.560 before them by the judicial branch. They just want to do what they want to do. So they're going to do

00:07:15.380 it. You don't hear authoritarians calling the president. You don't hear leftists calling the

00:07:21.520 president an authoritarian because of that. So it's a little bit of hypocrisy. Anyway, there's still a

00:07:27.440 ways to go with this mandate before we see if it will actually hold. We're going to go to Ben Shapiro,

00:07:35.000 as I said, to explain this all for us. And then we'll talk about some more crazy COVID news.

00:07:44.740 Ben, thank you so much for joining us. All right. Tell us what's going on with this whole OSHA thing.

00:07:51.300 President Biden talked about it. He talked about it a couple of months ago. I think people thought

00:07:55.300 that was, you know, the official mandate, but now people are freaking out again. So what's going on?

00:08:01.600 So they actually put out the text of the OSHA mandate yesterday and then officially today.

00:08:05.520 And the OSHA mandate is a lot more strenuous than I think a lot of people thought it was going to be.

00:08:09.720 It kicks into effect formally January 4th. So all employers with over 100 employees have to get the

00:08:15.620 records of all of their employees. If you're vaxxed, then you're fine. If you're not vaxxed,

00:08:21.020 then you have a couple of options. One is to either get tested every week and wear a mask for

00:08:25.520 the rest of time, apparently. And the other is that you can be fired. Right. Those are the only

00:08:29.700 two options. So there is no option where you stay unvaccinated and you're not checking in with your

00:08:34.960 company every single week, which, of course, is an attempt to intimidate people into getting

00:08:38.800 vaccinated. So we at The Daily Wire, we feel that it is your prerogative to decide whether or not

00:08:43.480 you wish to be vaccinated. It's one thing to say that you should get yourself vaccinated just as a

00:08:47.960 matter of advice. I've been saying that all along. I'm vaxxed. My wife's vaxxed. My parents are vaxxed.

00:08:52.040 I think that virtually all adults should be vaxxed. I think it's a good idea. However, that is a big

00:08:57.140 difference from saying I, as an employer, I'm going to mandate that my employees get vaxxed,

00:09:01.600 particularly since I'm already safe. I'm no longer worried about COVID because I am double vaxxed.

00:09:05.800 I'm not worried about any of my employees getting COVID because if they want to get vaxxed,

00:09:09.300 they are vaxxed. If they don't want to get vaxxed, they don't have to vaxx. And guess what?

00:09:12.500 That is their decision. And now Pfizer is coming out with a pill, apparently, that reduces

00:09:17.400 hospitalization and death by at least 90 percent after you're diagnosed with COVID.

00:09:21.300 So I don't even know what the Biden administration is seeking to accomplish here other than top

00:09:24.620 down command and control and punishing businesses that wish their employees to be able to live

00:09:28.400 their own lives. OK, so you just explain how this is illogical. But something that you say a lot

00:09:33.140 is that we should not ascribe to malice what we can ascribe to stupidity. But I don't think that

00:09:39.160 the people making this regulation are stupid. So what do you think? Is it malicious?

00:09:43.360 I mean, I do think this one's malicious. It's hard to see it as anything other than malicious.

00:09:48.260 I really suspect that the Biden administration does not believe. Excuse me. I really suspect

00:09:53.820 that the Biden administration doesn't even believe this is going to go into effect.

00:09:56.580 I think that Joe Biden is putting this out there for effect so he can say to his constituents that he

00:10:01.200 did his best to force everyone to vaccinate, that he's using the federal government as far as he can

00:10:06.120 use it, sort of how he used the CDC eviction moratorium, even after stating and knowing that it was

00:10:10.660 unconstitutional. I think he's sort of doing the same thing here. And the proof is in the pudding.

00:10:14.520 He's doing this under an emergency temporary standard. Well, he declared two months ago

00:10:18.080 that he was going to be putting forth an emergency temporary standard. This doesn't go into effect

00:10:21.960 for another two months. So when was the last time you had a bleeding emergency in your life,

00:10:26.340 like a serious emergency in your life? And you said, OK, I'm making an announcement in two months.

00:10:30.060 I'm going to make an announcement about that emergency. And two months after that,

00:10:33.720 there will be something that comes forward that actually is intended to address the emergency.

00:10:37.600 That is definitionally not an emergency temporary measure. It seems more like grandstanding to me

00:10:43.140 than anything else. But it's going to do an awful lot of damage to businesses if it's ever

00:10:46.780 kicked into place, because the kind of fines they're talking about levying against businesses

00:10:50.140 are utterly insane. It's like fourteen thousand dollars per offense. And if it's deemed a willful

00:10:54.220 offense, it's like one hundred and forty thousand dollars. And let's back up a little bit.

00:10:57.540 What is OSHA? Is this something that has happened before? So emergency temporary standards

00:11:02.760 under OSHA. So OSHA is the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. It was created

00:11:07.100 by an act of Congress. And the basic idea was that they could create workplace safety rules.

00:11:11.520 So when you walk into a restaurant, you see a sign on the bathroom wall that says you need to wash

00:11:14.940 your hands before you go back to work. That's usually because of an OSHA regulation. Or if there

00:11:19.300 are regulations that there can't be asbestos in the workplace, that's usually because of OSHA.

00:11:23.360 But OSHA was not given the power to simply declare that for literally a hundred million people,

00:11:28.740 we are going to force you to mask up or vaccinate. There's nothing in OSHA's purview

00:11:33.140 that suggests that they are able to seize state power like this. So there are a few

00:11:36.700 constitutional issues. One, if the legislature wants to do this, it's the legislature's job

00:11:40.540 to do this. A broad piece of enabling legislation cannot be interpreted this way. There's an

00:11:45.300 administrative law issue here. Then there's the federalist issue, which is typically if you have

00:11:48.620 a state vaccine mandate, it is done by the states. This is why all of those idiots in the media

00:11:52.540 who you will see saying that the OSHA regulation is probably legal. And then they cite a Supreme Court

00:11:56.740 case from the early 20th century about the state of Massachusetts and a vaccine mandate.

00:12:00.320 Right. Notice that's a state. States have a different set of powers than the federal government,

00:12:03.800 which was never given this sort of power. So there are a bunch of ways in which this is

00:12:08.300 illegal. And then again, OSHA has you has tried to use the emergency temporary standards before

00:12:12.780 something like six times since the 1980s. It's been rejected by courts every single time,

00:12:16.700 every time they overstep with an emergency temporary standard because they don't go through the

00:12:20.400 proper response process. When you when you create a regulation, usually you have to solicit

00:12:24.760 public response and the public gets to sound off. And then there's a bunch of go around

00:12:29.200 with an emergency temporary standard. You just go right around that entire process.

00:12:32.580 It's not clear, again, because they're delaying it so long that this even falls under the ETS

00:12:37.500 standards. So temporary is in the name. Do you think it's going to stay temporary or do you think

00:12:43.460 that the government intends for it to stay temporary? I mean, if they had their way, absolutely not.

00:12:48.320 So right in the OSHA regulation, it's a 490 page regulation right in the regulation. They say that we

00:12:53.440 are interested in making a permanent rule. And some of the questions they're asking about the

00:12:57.080 permanent rule are far stricter than anything that they are saying in the temporary rule.

00:13:01.400 So, for example, right now, if you don't want to get vaccinated, theoretically, you could test once

00:13:04.960 a week at your own expense and then show it to your employer. The permanent rule, they're actually

00:13:10.260 openly acknowledging the possibility to get rid of that that opt out. They just force you to get

00:13:15.920 vaccinated, that if you don't if you don't get your employees vaccinated, then you have to fire

00:13:19.040 them. They're saying that they might extend it to all businesses with under 100 employees.

00:13:24.120 They're saying that they might change the standards with regard to what type of mask you can wear. So

00:13:27.700 right now, it's basically any cloth mask that you can make at home. And they're saying, well,

00:13:31.100 maybe we'll up it to a KN95 or an N95. You never know. And so when they make these standards

00:13:36.300 permanent, if they try to, they'll probably become more strict, not less.

00:13:40.620 Right, right. And so you're pushing back on this. You're not going to enforce your employees who are

00:13:44.940 not vaccinated to get vaccinated in order to stay employed or even to test once a week. Correct?

00:13:49.300 Correct. That's right. So we were firing a federal lawsuit. We have a federal lawsuit. The legal

00:13:55.020 advisors who are working with us, our law firms, our Dillon Law Group, as well as the ADF, the Alliance

00:13:59.160 Defending Freedom. And we filed a federal lawsuit literally the day that the regulation was promulgated

00:14:03.680 with the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. And we will be pursuing that with alacrity for as long as the

00:14:09.040 regulation remains on the books. We're not the only ones, obviously. You've seen governors of many states

00:14:12.520 who are also sounding off and saying that they're not going to participate in this and creating

00:14:16.300 conflict of law situations by passing regulations saying that employers are not allowed to mandate

00:14:21.060 that their employees get vaxxed, for example. So when governors say that they're not going to

00:14:25.280 participate in this, does that actually protect the people in their state? I've got I've got friends

00:14:30.120 who are still dealing with their companies trying to mandate the vaccine or the weekly testing or

00:14:40.260 whatever other onerous burden they want to place on their employees, even though they're living

00:14:45.420 in Republican states that have supposedly banned these vaccine mandates. So, like, do they have

00:14:51.620 any relief from their governor saying, no, we're not going to participate in this or no?

00:14:57.600 So unclear. So one thing that governors are saying is we're not going to help you out, right? In much

00:15:01.560 the same way that Democratic cities have said that they are sanctuary cities for illegal immigration.

00:15:05.220 A lot of Republican governors are saying, listen, you want to come enforce this? You're going to have

00:15:07.920 to do it yourself. You're going to have to send OSHA agents to every place of employment in our state.

00:15:11.760 We are not going to facilitate any of this. So that's helpful in the sense that OSHA obviously

00:15:16.460 can't audit everyone. And they're probably going to be relying on disgruntled employees to send tips

00:15:20.380 into OSHA to punish their companies. So that's that's somewhat helpful. The other thing that states

00:15:24.720 have been doing is they're they're they're passing laws that are forcing employers not to do it. So

00:15:30.020 that creates a conflict of law situation where if you're an employer, do you decide to violate

00:15:33.820 federal regulations or state law? So if a court sees that, it's possible that a court says, OK, well,

00:15:38.820 we can't hold you responsible for a fine if your state is literally banning you from performing the

00:15:43.120 act that the federal government mandates of you to have a pretty significant federalism

00:15:46.720 conflict. I think more states are going to create those federalism conflicts specifically so they

00:15:50.840 can give businesses the out. So you seem pretty optimistic that this is not actually going to go

00:15:55.580 through. What do you think is going to be the most effective pushback? Is it going to be the

00:16:00.600 governors? Is it going to be corporations like yours pushing back? Is it going to be a cumulative effect

00:16:04.880 of all of these different forces pushing back against this? What's going to do it?

00:16:09.680 I mean, I think it's going to be all of it. So obviously we are putting special focus on the courts

00:16:13.060 because I think that if a court strikes down the regulation, we're done. Right. And then nobody has

00:16:16.700 to worry about it again. And that that goes into effect for everyone. So that's kind of chief

00:16:21.380 mode of attack. We also obviously are pushing Republican senators very hard and Democratic senators

00:16:26.400 to use the Congressional Review Act to strike down the regulation or at least get these jerks on record 1.00

00:16:30.480 as to whether they support the regulation in the first place, because Congress has a an interest

00:16:34.720 in kicking responsibility to unelected bureaucrats and the administrative agencies. We want to hold

00:16:39.200 them to account on that. Now, business is refusing to. Sorry, Congressional Review Act. Sorry,

00:16:43.980 Congressional Review Act. I think that's what I heard you say, that people should be calling their

00:16:48.280 senators, Republican or Democrat, their representatives to tell them that they want a

00:16:52.540 Congressional Review Act. Can you just detail a little bit more what exactly that would do?

00:16:56.500 Sure. So the Senate of the United States is allowed to review and reject regulations promulgated by

00:17:02.160 administrative agencies. So remember, administrative agencies only were enabled to do certain things

00:17:06.620 by Congress. They didn't really exist under the original constitutional structure in the early 20th

00:17:10.740 century. All of these new agencies are built inside the executive branch by the legislature. The

00:17:15.180 legislature says, OK, we want there to be, for example, a food and drug administration and their job

00:17:19.760 is to make sure that your food is clean. So what Congress can do under the Congressional Review Act

00:17:23.960 is they can say the FDA went too far. You've gone beyond your mandate. And now we are taking back

00:17:28.340 some of that power. So the Congressional Review Act allows the the the Senate of the United States

00:17:33.380 to vote by pure majority to strike down any regulation. The president of the United States,

00:17:38.300 unfortunately, then has the capacity to veto that. And then you have to have a super majority in order

00:17:42.520 to overcome that veto. So it really is super backwards because really the Congress should be able to

00:17:47.340 without the president, just reject that authority. Because, again, it really was up to Congress to

00:17:51.780 determine whether that administrative agency is acting within the purview of authority. Congress

00:17:55.980 gave it in the first place. That really shouldn't be up to the executive per se. But the Congressional

00:17:59.700 Review Act, theoretically, if you had a super majority of senators who are willing to strike

00:18:03.840 down a regulation, then the regulation goes down, even though Joe Biden is promulgating it.

00:18:08.280 OK, so you said that's part of it. And then you said corporations like yours and you said states

00:18:13.000 pushing back. You think all of it together is going to be what actually shuts this thing down.

00:18:17.460 So can you continue on that a little bit? Yeah, I mean, I think that the more corporations say

00:18:21.800 we're not going to do this, the harder it's going to be to enforce. It's sort of like if everybody in

00:18:25.040 the United States one day said, you know what, we're not paying our taxes. The IRS just not just

00:18:28.920 does not have the enforcement. They can make some examples out of people. They don't have the

00:18:31.900 enforcement power to come after everybody. And I think that that is becoming clear. Also,

00:18:36.480 the downstream economic effect of employers saying that we are not going to do this or that if you

00:18:41.560 force us to do this, that we're going to have to shut our doors. That's going to be pretty bad for

00:18:45.600 the Biden administration, creating supply chain crises. I mean, if this policy goes into place,

00:18:49.840 it's going to ding the economy in a very severe way. If you think there's an undersupply of labor

00:18:53.460 right now, wait until corporations are being forced to lay off 20 percent of their workforce

00:18:56.900 because Joe Biden says that you have to fire people or get them vaxxed.

00:19:00.920 And why doesn't he care about that? I mean, surely they know that that is going to be

00:19:04.880 an effect of all of this. Why don't they care?

00:19:08.640 So, again, I think that this is all a ploy. I don't actually think the Biden administration

00:19:12.100 wants this thing promulgated. I think that they've made it very strong and very rigid.

00:19:15.600 Because they want it struck down. Now, there is a silver lining here, and this is what I'm hoping

00:19:19.280 for. I'm hoping that through all of this, not only does the regulation get struck down,

00:19:23.660 but also the Supreme Court uses this as an excellent opportunity to strike down the so-called

00:19:27.500 Chevron Doctrine. So the Chevron Doctrine is a very controversial point in American administrative

00:19:31.580 law. It basically suggests that when the Congress gives power to a regulatory agency,

00:19:36.580 they create an act like the OSHA Act and they give power to OSHA.

00:19:39.780 And it's this very broad law saying you get to make workplaces safe.

00:19:43.000 And now OSHA gets to interpret what that means.

00:19:45.840 Chevron, this case by the Supreme Court in the 80s, the Chevron Doctrine says the administrative

00:19:50.660 agency cannot then be questioned in court. The administrative agency has its own courts,

00:19:54.240 and you have to go through the administrative agency and challenge the administrative agency

00:19:57.760 within the administrative agency. They are best placed to determine the interpretation of their

00:20:01.580 own enabling statute. And anyway, Congress can strike it down and all the rest.

00:20:05.160 The Chevron Doctrine is super controversial. There's certainly a majority on the Supreme Court

00:20:08.320 to strike down the Chevron Doctrine, which would mean that anytime a regulatory agency exceeds its

00:20:13.020 authority, you wouldn't need to go to the legislative agent, the administrative agency

00:20:18.000 or to Congress to lobby. Instead, you would just challenge it in court and the court would strike

00:20:21.980 down the regulation as outside the purview entirely, right? They could just look at it and

00:20:27.720 say this is not regulatory. This is not regulatorily related to the original purpose of the statute.

00:20:33.380 And that'd be a really good thing. So I'm hoping the Chevron Doctrine goes down on this basis.

00:20:36.460 How quickly do you think this is going to make it to the Supreme Court?

00:20:40.020 Fast. Really, really fast. I mean, it's going to kick into place January 4th.

00:20:44.160 I think that within a month, you're supposed to start seeing some of the preliminary effects of

00:20:48.900 it. So it depends on whether one of the games the Biden administration is playing here is by making

00:20:53.280 it only effective January 4th. What they're attempting to do is say to courts, don't adjudicate

00:20:57.720 it until January 4th, right? Wait until after the holidays, then adjudicate it because there's no

00:21:01.740 specific harm that is actually accrued to anyone at this point, right? I mean, it just went into

00:21:06.440 effect. Nobody's getting fired. So if there's no specific harm, you can't have a case or

00:21:10.100 controversy under the Constitution. So I think they're trying to delay it. I don't know that

00:21:14.500 courts are going to buy that. If courts don't buy that, then we could get rulings on this

00:21:18.080 thing pretty quickly. It could get elevated to the Supreme Court on a fast track the same

00:21:21.480 way that the CDC eviction moratorium got elevated to the Supreme Court on a fast track.

00:21:25.820 So what individuals do in the meantime, they don't want to get vaccinated, but they're facing

00:21:30.000 this old ultimatum. What do they do? I mean, right now, it depends on if you feel like complying

00:21:36.100 with the mandate. If you don't want to comply with the mandate, then you can wait and you can

00:21:39.320 see and you can stick with us and hope that the regulations get struck down. If you are deeply

00:21:45.260 worried about the vaccine mandate and you really need to put food on the table, you are between a

00:21:50.000 rock and a hard place, which is exactly what the Biden administration wants you to feel like.

00:21:53.880 They want you to feel like you must get vaxxed or you're going to lose your job. And then they will

00:21:58.020 brag about how they got you vaxxed and how they saved your life in the process. Again, this is all

00:22:03.120 pretty wild stuff, considering that you are a rational human being capable of deciding your

00:22:07.020 own health factors. And worst case scenario, if this does go into place, what are some of the

00:22:15.020 short term, long term implications that go just beyond this rule? Specifically, people are thinking

00:22:20.240 about their kids. I mean, maybe that has nothing to do with OSHA, but just kind of this principle

00:22:25.240 that the federal government can force this kind of thing in a variety of workarounds,

00:22:30.620 in a variety of ways. People are really worried about that for their children.

00:22:34.160 And they should be worried about that. San Francisco just essentially mandated that all

00:22:37.440 five through 11 year olds have to be vaccinated to go to school. So I think that that is going to

00:22:40.640 become a common talk with with the Biden administration. I'm hopeful that the the practicalities

00:22:46.720 on the ground are going to push back against that. Obviously, the new Pfizer oral oral therapeutic,

00:22:52.440 I think, is going to help along these lines. But again, kids were never really at risk from

00:22:56.180 COVID in a very serious way. So I've been worried about that ever since Pfizer announced that this

00:23:00.660 was will that this was going to be effective in five to 11 year olds. Not that it's bad that it's

00:23:04.320 there, but that there are just people out there who want to force you and your kids to do things

00:23:07.900 and they don't have any concerns about your liberty or freedom.

00:23:11.320 Yeah, absolutely. Well, can you end us on I know you already kind of gave us some silver

00:23:17.160 linings and you guys are pushing back. But can you give us a little bit more hope?

00:23:20.860 People are really worked up and really afraid right now. People have a lot on the line. Tell

00:23:27.700 us how hopeful you are that people are going to be able to hopefully retain their jobs and

00:23:31.940 their livelihood and that this isn't the end of liberty forever.

00:23:35.600 I mean, I think that I'm very hopeful. I think the regulation gets struck down. I think that the

00:23:39.040 the big silver lining here that we haven't talked about really is that if corporations decide to push

00:23:43.660 these sorts of mandates inside their companies without the federal government or just because Joe Biden

00:23:47.680 said so, then I think there are going to be new conservative companies that spring up where

00:23:50.940 freedom is still a priority. And the big sort that's been happening broadly across the country,

00:23:55.020 which I think is a good thing, is going to extend into the market arena. And I'm not sure

00:23:58.100 that's a bad thing either. Yeah, I hope so, man, especially for health care workers and all of

00:24:02.880 that. There's a lot of people that have lost a lot due to this. Thank you so much for breaking

00:24:06.420 that all down. So clearly it was super helpful. I appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

00:24:10.520 Thanks, Allie.

00:24:13.320 All right. Hope you enjoyed that conversation. He is so good at explaining all of that. He

00:24:19.020 explained it very quickly as he typically does. He might have to turn it on halftime

00:24:23.500 to really take in and take notes on what he is saying. I always, you know, I block out a certain

00:24:30.140 amount of time for these interviews. And I always know when I'm interviewing Ben Shapiro, it's probably

00:24:33.920 going to be five minutes less than what I originally planned for it, which is which is perfectly fine

00:24:40.700 with me. I have trained myself to try to keep up with Ben Shapiro's fast talking explanations.

00:24:49.220 All right. So not only does this mandate not make any legal sense, it also doesn't make any logical

00:24:57.100 or scientific sense. Here's a report out of the Wall Street Journal, quote, COVID-19 infections among

00:25:03.740 vaccinated people are complicating the fight to bring the coronavirus under control. And in the

00:25:09.280 UK, where the path of disease has been more closely tracked than just about anywhere in the world,

00:25:14.620 they are on the rise. So according to our world in data in Johns Hopkins University, the vaccination

00:25:21.360 rate in the UK is 68 percent and 75 percent have at least one dose of the vaccine. That's higher than

00:25:30.620 the US where the vaccination rate is like 58 percent with 68 percent with at least one dose.

00:25:36.160 That's still a lot. And above the age of 70 years old, it's like almost 100 percent of Americans have

00:25:43.200 gotten the vaccine. General population, though, the majority has. And yet the UK is even higher.

00:25:49.160 But if you look at the at the case numbers for the UK, they're almost as high as they were at the peak

00:25:54.880 back in January of 2021. From about February to June of 2021, when vaccination was much lower in the

00:26:02.280 UK, cases were at their lowest since the beginning of COVID in March 2020. Now, thankfully, if you look

00:26:08.900 at the death rate in the UK, it is much lower than it was in January, but it's higher than it was over

00:26:15.900 the summer when, again, the vaccination rate was much lower than it is now. Let's look at Australia,

00:26:21.980 where in where in many cases, in many regions, there are intense restrictions such as vaccine

00:26:30.280 passports, mask mandates, lockdowns, travel restrictions that are inhibiting people from

00:26:37.120 going to visit dying family members in other parts of the country. I read a terrible story on

00:26:41.640 Instagram about this woman. She doesn't seem political at all. She doesn't seem to be making 0.99

00:26:45.640 any kind of political statement. She is vaccinated. She wanted to travel to another part of the

00:26:51.980 Australia to see her dying father who is in hospice. She had to prove to authorities that her father was

00:27:00.580 actually dying in order to be able to travel there and see him before he died. She tried to show them

00:27:07.880 proof. She got a letter from her father's doctor. Still, the authorities said, no, that's not good

00:27:13.500 enough. We don't actually believe you. This is a vaccinated person, by the way. We don't actually

00:27:17.900 believe you that that's why you might be traveling to this other part of Australia. And so we're not

00:27:22.600 going to let you. What? You think that's for health? You think this is about compassion? In

00:27:28.120 Australia, that's the same place where a year ago, their travel restrictions actually stopped babies

00:27:34.240 who needed emergent care from getting the care that they needed because they were unable to travel to

00:27:41.040 the parts of the country where that kind of care was accessible. So people have died because of

00:27:46.160 these restrictions and you're telling me that this is because of health. Now, the death rate from COVID

00:27:51.360 in Australia is extremely low, has been since the beginning, but it is higher now in Australia than

00:27:58.140 it was in October 2020, all the way to July of 2021, in which there were no recorded deaths. And most of

00:28:06.020 that time was spent without widespread vaccination. And now 68% of its population is fully vaccinated and

00:28:13.220 the death rate is higher. Ian MSC on Twitter, he only talks about COVID. So I recommend that follow.

00:28:21.000 It's very interesting. He just puts graphs together made from publicly available data. He doesn't even

00:28:27.000 make these political statements. He doesn't seem ideologically bent in one direction when it comes to

00:28:34.980 COVID. He just tweets the publicly available data. And then he parallels that to the restrictions that have

00:28:42.180 been put in place, making the point that, look, these restrictions that have been put in place

00:28:45.920 in a variety of states and countries in the world don't seem to be having any kind of positive effect

00:28:54.560 on COVID transmission. So he graphed the COVID case numbers in Australia and then placed when the various

00:29:02.380 lockdowns across Australia were put into place. And as you can see, we'll show it on, we'll show it on

00:29:08.520 YouTube. As you can see, there is no correlation between lockdowns and case numbers. The case

00:29:14.980 numbers continue to rise despite the lockdowns. In Ireland, 75% of the eligible population is fully

00:29:23.840 vaccinated. And according to Johns Hopkins, their case count is as high now as it's been since January

00:29:31.500 when less than 1% of the population was fully vaccinated. Now, thankfully, again, deaths in

00:29:39.700 Ireland have remained low, but the death rate was zero back in May when less than 10% of the population

00:29:46.660 was fully vaccinated. All you have to do to find this information, by the way, is just type into

00:29:53.140 Google Ireland COVID cases, Ireland vaccination rates, and you look for yourself. It's all there.

00:29:58.880 Um, let's also look at the curious case of Singapore, where 83% of their population is

00:30:06.200 fully vaccinated, one of the most vaccinated countries in the world, not the most vaccinated

00:30:10.320 country in the world. Right now, they're at their peak in both cases and deaths. Okay, think about

00:30:17.380 that. They're at their peak. Look all the way back to March of 2020. They're currently at their peak

00:30:23.100 for cases and deaths. One of the highest, uh, highest rates of vaccination in the world.

00:30:29.640 Look this up and Google will pull up the data for you compiled from Johns Hopkins, our world in data

00:30:34.820 and the New York times. And it's the same story in many other countries with high vaccination rates,

00:30:40.100 Iceland, Germany, Finland, all of these super rare breakthrough cases that are seriously

00:30:46.940 complicating this idea that mandating vaccines is going to stop the spread. In the United States,

00:30:53.680 the most vaccinated state is Vermont. 72% fully vaccinated. They are currently, they're right

00:30:59.740 now hitting their peak in case numbers higher than January of this year when hardly anyone was

00:31:05.360 vaccinated. The highest numbers we've seen in Vermont, the entire pandemic, same with deaths.

00:31:10.880 The deaths are low. That's good. They've always been low in Vermont, but the rate is as high. The

00:31:17.620 death rate is as high as it's been since March of 2020. Now, what do we see when we look at a state

00:31:24.720 like Vermont? We see that cases and deaths got down to pretty much zero during the summer months of 2020

00:31:30.840 and the summer months of 2021. And they've gone up significantly in winter months. And let's see,

00:31:38.280 what do we see in other states that tend to have harsh winters? Let's see what Google tells us.

00:31:47.060 Illinois? Yes. Pennsylvania? Yes. Wisconsin? Yes. Michigan? Yes. Following the same kind of pattern.

00:31:55.560 And then just for fun, let's see what's happening in Texas, Florida, Arkansas, Georgia, those southern

00:32:02.260 states with very hot summers. Well, it looks like these states hit a peak in case and death numbers

00:32:09.320 toward the end of the summer in August of this year. And they're now coming back down. So could it

00:32:16.380 be just based on what we can easily observe that this virus like mini viruses spreads more easily

00:32:22.320 when people tend to be indoors? So in the summer months, people in the southern states spend a lot

00:32:27.680 of time inside. It is not fun to go outside. Sometimes even the pool is hot because it's over

00:32:32.600 100 degrees several days in a row. So people are spending a lot of time inside. In the fall and

00:32:38.340 winter months, people in northern states spend a lot of time inside. So could it be that this is

00:32:45.400 affected by seasonality? That this is affected by people's behavior based on the weather? That it's

00:32:51.480 simply going to spread based on whether or not people are spending a good amount of time inside?

00:32:57.440 See, right now in southern states, it's in the 70s. It's in the 60s. So people are spending a lot of

00:33:03.340 time outside. So it makes sense that it would have peaked in August in those hot southern states. And now

00:33:09.420 it's leveling off. And now COVID is getting a lot worse in those northern states, even in the northern

00:33:14.080 states where the vast majority of people are vaccinated. People were calling Ron DeSantis,

00:33:20.040 death Santas. They were accusing him of killing people back in August when the cases and deaths

00:33:26.800 were so high in Florida, when he said that schools were not allowed to force masks. Now, remember,

00:33:35.300 he didn't say that people couldn't wear masks. He didn't say that parents couldn't have their kids

00:33:39.940 wear masks. He just said schools, you can't force students to wear masks. And oh my gosh, you I mean,

00:33:45.540 people called him a tyrant. People called him an authoritarian. People called Greg Abbott the same

00:33:49.660 thing for making the same rule for simply saying, look, I'm protecting individual choice. These

00:33:55.140 entities can't actually force people to wear masks. I mean, calling him a totalitarian, calling them

00:34:01.040 totalitarians. When again, at the same time, if you look at the actions of the Biden administration,

00:34:05.520 they're far more tyrannical and authoritarian than anything that Ron DeSantis or Greg Abbott have done.

00:34:11.540 DeSantis' critics said that he was murdering children by not allowing schools to force these masks.

00:34:18.480 An absolutely absurd claim that has no basis. In fact, I'll link the previous episode that I've

00:34:24.640 done looking at all of the data on mask wearing. There is no study that shows that mask mandates

00:34:30.760 and in particular mask mandates for kids have saved any lives. Again, like if you look at the graphs of,

00:34:37.380 if you look at the graphs of cases and deaths for states that have had mask mandates versus graphs

00:34:45.100 of cases and deaths for states that have not had mask mandates, it's very hard to tell the difference.

00:34:51.240 It's very difficult to tell the difference between those states that have had mask mandates and that

00:34:57.220 haven't. There's really no study that shows that it is saving lives. DeSantis refused to lock down.

00:35:05.160 He refused to go along with the vaccine mandates. He did encourage people to get vaccinated. He made it

00:35:09.300 very easy for people to get vaccinated. He made sure that people had access to monoclonal antibodies.

00:35:14.820 You know, that lifesaving treatment that the Biden administration, they reduced their supply

00:35:21.260 of those antibodies to southern states like Texas and Florida. It seems like for punitive partisan

00:35:27.140 reasons, which again, talk about tyrannical and just cruel. But here's some headlines about Ron

00:35:33.640 DeSantis, this evil, murderous guy from back in August when the cases and the death counts were

00:35:39.880 high. New York Times, as COVID surges in Florida, DeSantis refuses to change course. New York Times,

00:35:47.600 Ron DeSantis, how many COVID deaths are enough? New York Times, what went wrong with the pandemic in

00:35:53.440 Florida? Washington Post, DeSantis criticizes masks restrictions as coronavirus roars to record

00:35:59.820 levels in Florida. Washington Post, DeSantis blames Florida surge on COVID season. That's misleading,

00:36:07.000 experts say. Is it misleading though? Is it based on the data we have? Now, Florida has the lowest case

00:36:14.040 rate in the nation. According to Fox News, quote, the first hospital in the state of Florida to treat a

00:36:20.840 coronavirus patient is now celebrating another first. No COVID patients in its care since the pandemic

00:36:27.520 began. Christina Peshaw, who is Ron DeSantis' spokesperson, said this to Fox. This is great

00:36:35.580 news. For two weeks and counting, Florida has had the lowest rate of new COVID-19 cases in the entire

00:36:40.400 country with no mandates, no vaccine passports or lockdowns. Overall, COVID hospitalizations have

00:36:48.060 been declining for more than 70 days straight and we're at an all-time low in terms of the number of

00:36:54.280 COVID patients hospitalized statewide. Now, shouldn't it really be partisan that people are celebrating

00:37:02.240 that? I don't think so. Shouldn't everyone be excited about that? Now, you have to wonder,

00:37:09.200 why wasn't Oregon getting the same kind of media treatment Florida was in August? Oregon also had 0.98

00:37:18.000 their highest COVID case rate in August of the entire pandemic. Their death numbers peaked just last

00:37:24.060 month despite having had almost 70% of the state's population vaccinated. Oregon was the first state

00:37:30.300 to reimpose a mask mandate indoors and outdoors for everyone, regardless of vaccination status in

00:37:35.980 August. And that is, of course, why the media aren't talking about how irresponsible Governor Kate

00:37:42.500 Brown is, because the media don't actually care what works. They don't actually care what works.

00:37:48.100 They don't care about the numbers. They believe that placing heavy restrictions on people is

00:37:53.120 responsible. It's righteous, regardless of the outcome, regardless of whether it's proving to

00:37:58.360 be effective based on data, because they've learned, I guess, that this is a way to make Democrats seem

00:38:04.660 good and Republicans seem bad and calloused without actually having to make any factual substantive

00:38:12.000 argument. Let's also note something about the country of Sweden, who has stood apart in their COVID

00:38:18.120 response. Let's know that Sweden ranks 54th in the world in COVID deaths per million, below the United

00:38:24.500 States, below France, and many other countries with all kinds of COVID restrictions like mask mandates,

00:38:30.560 vaccine passports. And Sweden does not have and has never had any of those restrictions.

00:38:38.020 So none of this makes a whole lot of sense from a public health perspective, does it? If the vaccine

00:38:44.280 does at least stop the severity of symptoms, then great. You should absolutely be able to get it.

00:38:51.280 I'm okay with the government encouraging people to get it. I'm okay with there being an entire campaign

00:38:56.060 of encouragement to get this shot. If that's what the government wanted to do, that's fine. And if it's

00:39:04.920 really effective, then your power of persuasion should be able to get people to be able to get it

00:39:11.740 for themselves. You can get two plus boosters every few months. Since we now know that vaccine immunity

00:39:23.480 wanes significantly after a few months, you'll have to get those boosters. And that's fine. I think it

00:39:29.800 makes more sense for some than others. Just what we know about the data, what we know about the

00:39:36.400 comorbidities with this disease associated with COVID. But it's your choice. And it should remain

00:39:47.360 your choice. All right, let me read you this very interesting report from the LA Times says this,

00:39:57.220 that records of 80,000 US veterans were studied. And the researchers found that as the Delta variant

00:40:02.620 first started spreading, the three vaccines were roughly equal in their ability to prevent infections.

00:40:07.900 But this decreases rapidly in just six months. So by the end of September, Moderna's two-dose COVID-19

00:40:14.940 vaccine measured as 89% effective in March. It was now only 58% effective. The effectiveness of shots

00:40:23.220 made by Pfizer and BioNTech, which also employed two doses, fell from 87% to 45% in the same period.

00:40:30.060 The Johnson & Johnson single-dose vaccine plunged from 86% to just 13% over those six months.

00:40:37.320 And remember, as we have learned from the New York Times in a huge Israel pre-print study,

00:40:44.500 natural immunity, so if you have been infected, the immunity that you've gotten from actually being

00:40:50.220 infected with COVID lasts much longer than that. It can last a year, maybe more than that. It depends

00:40:56.420 on the severity of the infection that you had. It depends on your own biological makeup. It might

00:41:03.640 be different for everyone, but it's pretty reliable based on the data that we have that natural immunity

00:41:08.680 is very strong. So when the president and when Democrats say, and when world leaders say, I guess

00:41:14.680 they got some email blast telling them that this is the talking point, that this is a pandemic of the

00:41:19.860 unvaccinated. That's just not factually true. These people who say follow the science, they're not

00:41:25.600 following the science. So why should something that may help you and only you be mandatory?

00:41:35.120 Why should it be mandatory? Don't tell me that it has to do with protecting the babies who can't get 1.00

00:41:42.520 vaccinated. Like, again, follow the science, follow the data, guys. The virus is so insanely

00:41:49.660 unthreatening to children, much less threatening than RSV and the flu. RSV is much more dangerous

00:41:55.940 to babies. In fact, that's why you saw again over the summer, this surge in PICU numbers. It's not

00:42:06.020 actually because of serious cases of COVID for the most part. It was because of RSV. RSV, it was very

00:42:13.380 strangely surging over the summer. Both of my kids unfortunately got RSV. Thankfully, we avoided the

00:42:19.120 hospital. But for a lot of babies who catch RSV, they do have to go into the hospital. And have we

00:42:25.220 been clamoring to get and mandate a vaccine for that? Something that is far more dangerous again

00:42:29.780 for kids? Something that is easily passed from adults to kids? Why haven't we been talking about

00:42:37.300 the urgency for that? So don't tell me that we have to mandate these vaccines to protect the kids who

00:42:42.820 can't be vaccinated yet, when we know that for the most part, this is a non-threatening virus for them.

00:42:50.360 And San Francisco and now New York, while New York is considering it, San Francisco is definitely doing

00:42:55.520 it requiring proof of vaccination status for 5 to 11-year-olds to enter businesses. I mean, children

00:43:01.500 are the most marginalized group in the entire world, children of every race. They are the most likely 1.00

00:43:07.920 victims of abuse, of sex trafficking, of neglect, marginalization in every sense of the word. Children

00:43:17.500 around the world are most likely to be victims of it. And now we're pushing them even further to the

00:43:24.260 outskirts of society by telling them if you don't have a vaccine that still doesn't have a whole lot

00:43:30.960 of safety data. It doesn't have enough safety data, at least for parents to feel comfortable

00:43:35.080 and giving it to their kids. You're going to say that if a kid doesn't get that vaccine that he or

00:43:41.580 she probably doesn't even need, that they can't go into a business? Are you serious? University of

00:43:49.300 Minnesota Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy found that a study in clinical infectious

00:43:57.280 diseases yesterday shows that children are unlikely to be the source. So this is actually from last

00:44:03.100 year this came out, that children are unlikely to be the source of COVID-19 household outbreaks and are

00:44:09.080 less likely to be infected with SARS-CoV-2 by another household member with implications for vaccine

00:44:15.060 distribution. So this was a study that came out last year. This is something we have known for a

00:44:19.620 very long time. And not only are we seeing some parts of the country try to mandate this vaccination

00:44:25.660 in certain school districts and require a passport for these kids to be entering into, entering into

00:44:35.360 stores, they're ignoring, they're ignoring the science that we have known about kids and the spread of

00:44:41.020 COVID. We've known it for a very long time. We've known that schools are not primary drivers of COVID, either

00:44:46.700 from students to teacher or vice versa. And there's also still the risk of myocarditis for kids. Daniel

00:44:54.000 Horowitz has been following COVID and COVID policy very closely at The Blaze. He writes this for The Blaze's

00:45:01.200 site. In Pfizer's FDA briefing document prepared for the October 25th meeting was an admission that even

00:45:07.140 according to the company's unverified and misleading math, there is a scenario where there would be

00:45:11.980 more hospitalizations among children for myocarditis, just one side effect, than from COVID. Under scenario

00:45:18.840 three, the document says, the model predicts more excess hospitalizations due to vaccine-related

00:45:25.760 myocarditis, pericarditis, compared to prevented hospitalizations due to COVID-19 in males and in both

00:45:31.860 sexes combined states Pfizer in page 33 of the document. I'll link to Horowitz's article so you

00:45:40.660 can read it for yourself. It has also linked the Pfizer document, and so you'll be able to read that

00:45:45.840 for yourself. He goes on to say, already in March, 42% of children 5 to 17 have had the virus, according

00:45:52.900 to the CDC, and that number is likely much higher following the prolific spread of the Delta variant.

00:45:59.000 So the benefit in terms of lives saved is much less than they predict, because the majority of

00:46:05.140 children likely already have protection even from mild illness. So that was back in March, the CDC was

00:46:10.360 saying that 42% of kids that age have been infected with COVID already, and now that's probably much

00:46:17.180 higher, and it's probably even higher than our reporting shows, because a lot of kids have such

00:46:21.020 mild symptoms that they're not even going to get tested, which means that most kids already have

00:46:25.140 natural immunity to a disease that doesn't really affect most of them very seriously. Heal us a lot

00:46:33.080 of data from around the world that really shows the logic behind these mandates, these requirements,

00:46:39.680 even really the encouragement to get the vaccine for children. And so I encourage you to, I encourage

00:46:47.160 you to read that article. There's a lot of data in there that really just goes against any suggestion

00:46:52.180 that a kid should be forced, especially to get this vaccine. There is also this report,

00:47:00.440 a report from Reuters that came out the beginning of October that says Finland on Thursday paused the

00:47:07.920 use of Moderna's COVID-19 vaccine for younger males due to reports of a rare cardiovascular side

00:47:13.800 effects joining Sweden and Denmark and limiting its use. Don't you think it's interesting that when it

00:47:19.200 comes to economic policy or when it comes to health care policy, progressives are always talking about

00:47:24.220 how we need to follow the Scandinavian model? They love Sweden because they think erroneously that

00:47:30.580 Sweden is socialist, even though Swedish people will tell you that it's not. They just have a very large

00:47:35.300 safety net, social safety net that is enabled by high taxes. But when it comes to Sweden's response,

00:47:43.500 which has been very unrestrictive and very data driven to COVID, you don't see left to celebrating

00:47:49.720 that system at all. Reuters goes on to say Mika Salminen, director of the Finnish Health Institute,

00:47:55.780 said Finland would instead give Pfizer's vaccine to men born in 1991. And later, Finland offers shots

00:48:02.480 to people aged 12 and over a Nordic study involving Finland, Sweden, Norway and Denmark found that men under

00:48:08.620 the age of 30 who received Moderna spike vax had a slightly higher risk than others of developing

00:48:15.060 myocarditis. And so obviously this they were able to figure this out after distributing these vaccines

00:48:22.680 to young people. So you see why a lot of parents would say, hmm, you know, I think I'm going to wait

00:48:28.420 a little bit. I think I'm going to wait if I'm going to give my kids this vaccine at all. I would like

00:48:33.240 some more data on this. I would like to see how this plays out. That's called responsible parenting.

00:48:37.000 I mean, that is that is good stewardship of your responsibility of caring for your kids and weighing

00:48:43.640 the risks and benefits. Now, every kid is different. I'm not saying a parent who decides that it's best

00:48:48.940 for their child to get the vaccine is a is a bad parent or stupid or anything like that. I'm not saying

00:48:54.360 that. But I understand why a lot of parents are skeptical and are taking their time and are being patient

00:49:00.880 with this and may decide ultimately not to allow their kid to get the vaccine at all because it just doesn't

00:49:08.180 make a whole lot of sense based on the data that we have. So progressives just need to understand, as I said

00:49:13.180 a little bit earlier, that just because you like something or think that it's good does not mean that it has

00:49:19.560 to be mandatory. And just because you think something is bad doesn't mean that it should be banned. Follow the

00:49:25.700 science and realize there is no logical reason for this thing to be mandated, especially for kids, but even

00:49:31.120 for adults. And I hear a lot of people saying, you know, it shouldn't be mandated even on the right people

00:49:36.540 saying it shouldn't be mandated for people who have had COVID or who have a religious exemption. True, but it

00:49:42.240 actually shouldn't be mandated at all. It just doesn't make any sense. Like, do you not see where all of this

00:49:47.260 goes? Do you not see at this point looking at these policies that this is not really about your

00:49:53.420 health? Don't you see that this never ends? It's just an excuse for a power grab, that this isn't

00:49:59.320 the last virus, the last excuse that the government will find to take away your freedom and your ability

00:50:04.620 to work? Like, why don't you care about that? How do you not see that that hurts not just you, but hurts

00:50:11.920 everybody? This is about power. That's it. And those who benefit from this power grab get really mad when

00:50:20.400 other people don't go along with it. Like Aaron Rodgers. So Aaron Rodgers, I'm just going to

00:50:26.120 briefly brief you on this. He is a Green Bay Packers quarterback. He's under fire for saying

00:50:31.520 vaccines should be a choice on the Pat McAfee show. Is it McAfee? It's McAfee. Pat McAfee show.

00:50:41.620 Rodgers is unvaccinated, which means he has to be tested regularly for the NFL. He recently tested

00:50:46.720 positive for COVID and he claims that he followed the same protocols that were recommended by Joe

00:50:53.520 Rogan. So that includes taking what the media has decried as horse to warmer, which of course is far

00:50:59.560 more than that, as we talked about with Pierre Corey several weeks ago in one of my most listened to

00:51:04.800 episodes ever. So definitely go back and listen to that. But Aaron Rodgers said, when then President

00:51:09.560 Donald Trump in 2020 was championing these vaccines that were coming so quick, what did the left say?

00:51:14.440 Roger said, and I'm talking about every member of the left. Don't trust the vaccine. Don't get the

00:51:20.200 vaccine. You're going to die from the vaccine. And then what happened? President Joe Biden wins and

00:51:23.860 everything flips. Shouldn't that initially give you a little bit of pause? Isn't this expletive that

00:51:30.940 this isn't about health and not about like politics? I believe strongly in body autonomy, he says,

00:51:39.360 and the ability to make choices for your body, not to have to acquiesce to some woke culture or

00:51:44.160 crazy individuals that say you have to do something. Now, I don't think he's a conservative.

00:51:48.500 Same thing with Nicki Minaj, who expressed skepticism about this. But man, they get absolutely

00:51:54.080 lambasted for just questioning the mainstream narrative and just saying, hey, I don't think

00:51:59.220 that we should be punished for making a different medical decision. That was something that the left

00:52:03.320 used to care about. I mean, the people who call themselves the resistance are on the same side as

00:52:08.360 big pharma, who is partnering with big tech and big government and big business to take away the

00:52:14.760 ability of working class people to earn a living. And they think that they're the anti-fascists.

00:52:23.000 That's really embarrassing. Now, I expected The Washington Post is very mad about this Aaron

00:52:29.100 Rogers fiasco saying, my football idol has shown that he has feet of clay and a mind full of mush.

00:52:38.020 The New York Times says that Aaron Rogers is still vulnerable to the blindside blitz of

00:52:45.120 misinformation. So it couldn't be that these people are just critically thinking. It couldn't

00:52:48.960 be that they're looking at any of the data that we just read that, again, is so accessible and

00:52:53.020 publicly available to everyone. It's because they're stupid. And that is supposed to encourage

00:52:58.180 people to get the vaccine and trust the federal government. Got it. Matt Walsh made a really good

00:53:02.920 point on Twitter. The sports media are far, far angrier at Aaron Rogers for not getting

00:53:07.520 vaccinated than Deshaun Watson for sexually assaulting dozens of women or Henry Ruggs for

00:53:12.120 driving 125 miles per hour while drunk and killing someone. I mean, that's true. It is very easy to find

00:53:19.320 many cases of domestic abuse involving NFL players. And there was also this Raiders player. He did,

00:53:28.500 I think, kick off the team for posting a video. A gun pointed at the camera saying that he was going

00:53:39.040 to kill someone. And he did get released for that. But that kind of stuff, unfortunately,

00:53:44.300 is pretty common when it comes to NFL players. And you don't see the New York Times writing about it.

00:53:48.640 You don't see most people mad about it. It's just like, oh, yeah, another NFL player is arrested for

00:53:52.700 domestic abuse. Sadly, it's super sad. But people who really don't pay any attention to that are so

00:53:58.400 mad that Aaron Rogers, who, again, has already been infected with COVID, has decided that he cares

00:54:03.620 about bodily autonomy. Oh, so bodily autonomy only counts, leftist, when it comes to killing the baby

00:54:09.780 inside your body. Got it. Got it. Okay. So it's a lot of propaganda, guys. If you want to get the

00:54:16.180 vaccine, you should totally get the vaccine. And I'm not going to tell you whether or not you should

00:54:20.760 get it. I read you the data. You can make decisions based on, you know, the conversations

00:54:25.440 that you have with your health care provider, based on the publicly available data that's out

00:54:30.080 there. And you can make the decision that's best for you. I don't believe in asking people

00:54:35.620 for their vaccination status because I don't really care if you're vaccinated. You really

00:54:39.240 shouldn't care if I'm vaccinated. I believe that you can make the decision that's best for you

00:54:43.240 and best for your family. But honestly, the fact that it is being foisted upon people,

00:54:48.780 the fact that people are losing their jobs, they're losing their livelihoods, we're not

00:54:52.600 getting something that we already know, the LA Times is admitting, wanes in efficacy after

00:54:58.720 just a few months, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And if you're not asking those

00:55:03.540 questions, it might be too late, honestly, to wake up. And so maybe you can just continue

00:55:09.660 to wade in your ignorance. Maybe ignorance is bliss. So maybe it's better for you to stay

00:55:14.700 asleep. But for the people who have been awake for a long time, it's time to continue to push

00:55:20.040 back. A lot of people have been pushing back. A lot of people have sacrificed a lot. Speak

00:55:24.040 up to your employer and push back. Push back against the mandates however you can as peacefully

00:55:31.800 and as respectfully as you possibly can. I mean, people are literally just walking away from

00:55:36.940 their jobs because of this. One piece of advice that I would say if your job is making you get

00:55:42.260 this and you either don't want to work there in principle because you don't believe in that kind

00:55:45.820 of mandate, or if you don't want to get the shot yourself, don't quit. Make them fire you. File a

00:55:53.060 religious exemption, but be honest about it. Be honest about it. If it's not the whole fetal line 0.96

00:56:00.360 thing that gives you pause about this vaccine, because fetal lines are used in the research for

00:56:05.380 lots of different medications that we use on a daily basis, if that's not it for you, don't lie.

00:56:10.840 Don't lie on the exemption. Only file for truthful exemptions. Give your real rationale behind it.

00:56:18.280 The person who takes the exemption doesn't have to agree with you, doesn't have to think that

00:56:22.580 it's rational. If it's simply that it goes against your conscience to take the vaccine,

00:56:28.520 then that's what you need to say. If your exemption isn't accepted, then you file a complaint with the

00:56:36.260 EEOC. There are different avenues that you can take, but don't quit. Make them fire you. Alliance

00:56:41.920 Defending Freedom, other organizations are pushing back against this. As Ben Shapiro said, there are a

00:56:46.900 lot of people continuing to push back, but you need to hold your ground. Even if you have no qualms with

00:56:52.120 the vaccine at all, that's fine in principle for liberty. That kind of stuff matters. It absolutely

00:56:57.040 matters. All right. We'll be back here tomorrow to talk about another controversial topic that's in

00:57:05.200 the news, and that is race and whether or not racially divisive lessons are really being taught

00:57:12.620 in public schools as we hear that they are. So we will be back here tomorrow and we'll see you then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 09, 2021

Ep 520 ｜ Vaccine Mandates： Anti-Freedom, Anti-Logic & Anti-Science ｜ Guest： Ben Shapiro

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