Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 536 ｜ Ghislaine Maxwell, Secret CIA Sex Crimes & the Jussie Smollett Hoax

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone's having a wonderful week. Today

00:00:14.160 we are talking to Jack Posobiec. He is Senior Editor of Human Events, a former Navy Intel

00:00:20.260 officer. And he is going to talk to us today about a few things. We're going to talk about

00:00:26.140 the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. What's going on there? We're going to talk about this bombshell

00:00:31.520 report from BuzzFeed News from December 1st that says that secret CIA files say staffers

00:00:39.100 committed sex crimes involving children. And this involves a huge cover up, sadly. And we're also

00:00:45.960 going to touch on the Jussie Smollett case that is taking place right now. I'm going to give you

00:00:53.380 some context for both of these things because Jack is going to kind of get in the weeds and

00:00:58.200 explain some of these things for us. But I'm going to kind of lay the groundwork before we start

00:01:04.940 talking to him. But before I get into all of that, I do want to ask you guys to please send me a

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00:01:20.340 either play next week or the week after that sometime before Christmas. I'm talking like

00:01:26.820 what's the Christmas movie that everyone loves that you hate? And tell me specifically why. Or

00:01:32.320 what's a Christmas tradition or a Christmas food that everyone thinks is awesome but that you loathe?

00:01:37.940 So you can say anything. The one thing that is totally off limits is that you cannot say

00:01:43.720 that you don't like It's a Wonderful Life. That's not allowed. Like that's not,

00:01:48.420 that's just going against objective truth. You can have your own opinions. That's fine. You cannot

00:01:53.740 have your own truth. And the truth is, is that It's a Wonderful Life is the best Christmas movie.

00:01:59.900 So anything else, anything else, but It's a Wonderful Life, George Bailey, that's off limits. Okay.

00:02:05.960 I make the rules unrelatable. Anything else though? Tell me, tell me what you, what your unpopular

00:02:11.460 Christmas opinion is. It can be as out there as possible or just send me a funny voicemail that has to do

00:02:18.260 with Christmas. We'll only be able to play a few of them, but I'll try to listen to all of them. So

00:02:23.580 682-503-1369. Call us, leave us a voicemail. Try to keep it short and sweet. If you need to write

00:02:32.940 it out and practice it beforehand, that's totally fine. And hopefully we will pick yours and play it

00:02:40.000 sometime in the next couple of weeks. All right, let's get into some of these stories just to kind

00:02:44.200 of give you some context here. So the CIA cover-up, this was reported by BuzzFeed News. Their

00:02:52.320 investigative team said that over the past 14 years, the CIA has amassed credible evidence that

00:02:59.580 more than 10 of its employees, or at least 10 of its employees, have committed sexual crimes involving

00:03:06.040 children. And this includes some terrible, awful, very disturbing allegations. And we're going to go

00:03:14.780 through some of those when I start talking to Jack. Now, if you're obviously, if you're listening

00:03:20.080 with children, you've probably picked up on this so far. This is not an episode to listen to them or

00:03:25.540 with them too. I am just warning you, some of the allegations that we're going to talk about

00:03:31.880 involving this story and involving the Ghislaine Maxwell trial are very disturbing. So just brace

00:03:37.240 yourself for that. We're not going to get graphic or anything, but we're just going to talk about

00:03:40.860 what some of these allegations are. And really the big story behind this CIA report, well, one of the

00:03:46.580 stories is the lack of story. The fact that BuzzFeed reported on this, good for them, but obviously it

00:03:52.760 was covered up by intelligence agencies and it has not been reported on widely. The Federalists

00:03:59.640 reported on it. Some other journalists talked about it, but you probably didn't even hear about

00:04:04.200 it. I only heard about it the other day, several days after it had been originally reported. And

00:04:08.720 the fact that this isn't a huge bombshell that everyone is talking about is really disturbing.

00:04:13.580 What is it? Are we just use to this kind of child sexual abuse? Is it, has it become normalized?

00:04:20.760 Has it become sterilized in some way that we just don't really want to talk about it?

00:04:24.220 I do also wonder if any mention of pedophilia in the ranks of the intelligence world or in the

00:04:31.680 ranks of the government or in the powers that be has been so cleverly associated with conspiracy

00:04:37.400 theory over the past several years. And part of it is because there are conspiracy theorists like

00:04:42.680 QAnon conspiracy theorists who push ridiculous things that have also made it more difficult for

00:04:47.480 people to raise actual allegations of pedophilia and sex trafficking and child sex abuse. But I do

00:04:55.140 wonder if some propagandists in the media have done such a good job of tying any allegations of sex

00:05:02.380 trafficking and pedophilia to conspiracy theories that most people just don't want to talk about it

00:05:07.160 because they don't want to be seen as some Pizzagate QAnon person. And that in itself is evil.

00:05:13.480 But the fact of the matter is, is that this is something that is going on. This is something that has

00:05:17.280 gone on. So the loss of credibility that intelligence agencies have garnered over the past several

00:05:22.860 years is something that they have brought on themselves. And this is the straw on the camel's

00:05:28.420 back. This is it's like if you haven't completely lost faith in our agencies in the people that are

00:05:36.160 supposed to be keeping us safe, then this should do it. This should do it. We're going to talk to Jack

00:05:42.360 about all of that. Just a quick note, I would think long and hard before you put your child's

00:05:47.820 image on social media. I know that there are innocent motivations behind that. And I think

00:05:52.360 every parent can make the decision that is best for them. Absolutely. Just know that social media

00:05:58.420 is a cesspool of people that do not have good intentions. And unfortunately, that includes some

00:06:03.700 people in our intelligence agencies that are supposed to be protecting and serving but are actually

00:06:09.620 victimizing the most vulnerable people in some cases in our population. Just think just think

00:06:16.580 about that. Remember that as a child, the nature of him or her being a child is that she cannot she he

00:06:24.360 or she cannot consent to their image being online. And so that is, you know, it's a breach of privacy

00:06:31.260 in some ways. And again, I don't want to sound like I'm condemning parents who put images of their

00:06:36.000 kids online. But I would just think long and hard about that before putting your child's face or their

00:06:43.900 image in any way on social media, there is no downside to your child having more privacy. There

00:06:50.160 are a lot of downsides to your child having less privacy, but there are no cons whatsoever to your

00:06:55.760 child not being on social media. So that's just something that I encourage you to think about. Also to

00:07:03.080 give you some context and what's going on with the Ghislaine Maxwell trial. Now you probably

00:07:09.040 already know, you probably already know about Jeffrey Epstein. But just to kind of give you a

00:07:16.540 refresher in July 2020. This is according to lawandcrime.com. They have been covering this trial pretty

00:07:23.360 extensively. Federal prosecutors hit Maxwell with six charges mostly focused on allegations that she

00:07:28.980 enticed girls between the ages of 14 and 17 to travel to Epstein, to travel with Epstein for his

00:07:36.800 sexual abuse. These allegations are generally known as violations of the Mann Act. This past March, the

00:07:42.240 government leveled two more charges, sex trafficking and conspiring to commit sex trafficking. If convicted

00:07:47.840 on the six charges at issue in her trial, the 59 year old Maxwell faces the possibility of 70 years

00:07:54.360 imprisonment. Now Jeffrey Epstein was a rich billionaire who was very well connected. It is well documented

00:08:01.780 that he is connected to many global diplomats, academics, politicians, rich people, business

00:08:11.740 moguls, people in power. He would go to this place called Epstein Island and allegedly, although it is

00:08:18.480 pretty hard to argue against because there is photo video evidence of this, he apparently entertained his

00:08:26.740 guests with the presence of minor females, minor women, or girls, I should say, and sexually abused

00:08:36.940 them. And apparently there are other people that he brought along on these trips who were also sexually

00:08:43.600 abusing these young girls. And some of these girls who are now women are testifying in court and are

00:08:50.400 testifying against Maxwell, saying that she had a part in this. Of course, the defense is saying,

00:08:55.700 um, no, she didn't have a part in sex trafficking, but we will get into more of that with Jack Epstein.

00:09:03.480 He did go to jail and he allegedly committed suicide. Um, I believe it was in, um, I believe it was in

00:09:14.920 2019 that that, yeah, I think it was in, in 2019. It's so hard. The past two years have been a blur.

00:09:20.860 It's hard to remember what happened in 2019 versus 2020. Um, but you know, one of the jokes that people

00:09:26.240 have said, kind of a joke, but kind of not, but it's become a little bit of a meme is that Epstein

00:09:31.760 didn't kill himself. And so there's just a lot of mystery around this. And there are so many people

00:09:36.380 in power that are involved and potentially involved. And again, uh, a lot of people are

00:09:42.840 scared to talk about this because they don't want to be seen as conspiracy theories, but you're looking

00:09:47.080 at the court documents. You're looking at the objective reporting about this, not the sensationalized

00:09:52.780 reporting and the conjecture surrounding this. And you're seeing that a lot of the allegations that

00:09:57.760 some of these so-called conspiracy theorists have been making about the so-called elites,

00:10:03.800 um, actually hold some water. And so it's just really disturbing. And I think it is rightfully

00:10:10.900 invoking a lot of curiosity from people because there's still so much mystery surrounding it.

00:10:16.100 We're going to try to take away some of, um, that mystery today as we talk about what's going on.

00:10:22.560 And then we're going to talk about the Jussie Smollett trial. Now, if you don't remember this

00:10:29.340 whole Jussie Smollett thing, this did happen at the beginning of 2019. I mean, I can't believe it's

00:10:34.280 already been that long, but in January of 2019, actor Jussie Smollett, he is the, uh, he played a

00:10:41.500 role in Empire. I guess that was a show maybe on HBO. Apparently he's also an R&B singer. I did not know

00:10:47.600 that, but he claimed that he was attacked in the middle of the night on the snowy streets of Chicago

00:10:53.380 when he was going to get a subway sandwich. And he claimed that two guys, one of them wearing a

00:10:59.340 red MAGA hat, uh, they threw bleach on him and they put a noose around his neck and he got back to his

00:11:07.100 apartment and he called the police. Apparently he still had the subway sandwich in hand and he still

00:11:11.000 had the noose on his neck. And they said that, Oh, I, I forgot the best part. Uh, but that they called

00:11:17.000 him, uh, uh, words that we would never say. And, um, that I can't say that he calls homophobic and

00:11:25.480 racist words and says that you're just, uh, you know, expletive Empire actor. So apparently these

00:11:32.320 two, uh, uh, you know, these two Trump fans living in Chicago who knew that Jussie Smollett was going to

00:11:39.940 go get a subway at 2am when it's freezing cold and snowing. We're also fans of Empire. So this is

00:11:47.300 entirely, entirely believable, right? Um, so it comes out a few months later that, um, the two guys

00:11:54.940 who allegedly attacked him were actually potentially paid by Jussie Smollett to attack him. And he wanted

00:12:03.200 to give it, uh, he wanted to get it on camera so he could release it. And then I guess become some

00:12:09.840 sort of hero and victim because he wanted more attention. It also came out during this trial that

00:12:15.340 he apparently did a quote dry run with them. So he did this, you know, actor's going to act. He had

00:12:21.100 to do some kind of dress rehearsal with them to make sure that they got it in front of the security

00:12:26.020 camera that he wanted to get it in front of. And, um, you'll remember at the time when the

00:12:31.060 allegations came out, uh, Kamala Harris stood by him publicly and said, you know, um, you know,

00:12:38.440 I'm paraphrasing that he's such a gentle soul. This is so awful that this happened to him. This

00:12:44.220 is racist and homophobic. You had Democratic Senator Cory Booker saying that we need to pass this

00:12:49.760 anti-lynching law in light of this terrible thing that happened to Jussie Smollett. And of course the

00:12:55.720 media ran with this, there are allegations that Don Lamont tried to help Jussie Smollett in this.

00:13:03.040 This is according to Newsweek. Um, it says that, uh, Don Lamont is facing scrutiny after Jussie

00:13:09.880 Smollett testified that the CNN anchor sent him a text message to warn him that police didn't believe

00:13:14.600 his allegations about having been the victim of a racist and homophobic attack. In a Chicago courtroom

00:13:19.500 on Monday, the actor testified that, uh, it's, it's Lemon. I, you pronounce it Don Lemon, but it's

00:13:25.560 just become this whole thing that people call him Don Lamont. It's kind of funny, uh, that Lemon

00:13:29.800 contacted him to relay the message that the Chicago police department did not believe his account

00:13:34.080 of what had happened on the night in question. While Lemon has yet to address that particular

00:13:40.560 part of Smollett's testimony on the air, the development has sparked outrage among a number

00:13:45.420 of conservative commentators who have called on CNN to dismiss the newsman over the

00:13:49.280 allegations. Obviously they just dismissed Chris Cuomo. Are they going to dismiss, uh,

00:13:54.560 Don Lamont as well? I'm not sure, but there's obviously some collusion going on here between

00:14:01.060 the media, between politicians, between Hollywood and Jussie Smollett. Now, um, there haven't been

00:14:07.920 quite as many people who have come to his defense recently, as I'll talk about with Jack. Um, the

00:14:13.700 Black Lives Matter has come out and said, we still support him, you know, no matter what the

00:14:17.720 testimony is, which is so funny. Obviously you can't let facts get in the way of your personal

00:14:23.540 truth. Um, and so this is, it's sad, but it's also a hilarious, it's a hilariously sad

00:14:31.280 tale. I don't know if Jussie Smollett meant to become the star of a dark comedy, but he has,

00:14:38.460 he had this interview, I think it was with ABC after these allegations, uh, were made both the

00:14:45.540 allegations that he made and then the allegations that he had made it up. And, uh, you know, he had

00:14:50.880 this very emotional interview where he talked to the interviewer just about how he was struggling,

00:14:58.700 you know, for freedom and, and liberation from oppression and equality and all this stuff. And she

00:15:04.360 said, that's so beautiful, Jussie. That's so great. I mean, it's just so disgusting. It's so

00:15:10.160 disgusting. Like if you want to know why there seems to be rumblings of, um, populist pushback,

00:15:18.060 it's because of the stories that we're talking about today. It's because of this kind of, uh,

00:15:25.040 non-quantifiable, almost in intangible elite class that you can't fully define, but you kind of know it

00:15:34.000 when you see it. It's because the people who have tried to convince us that they are our moral and

00:15:39.080 intellectual betters, we are finding out so many of them, whether it's Republican or Democrat are so

00:15:46.040 corrupt and depraved to the core. And that really all they want is power. They want insulation from

00:15:53.460 justice and accountability. And so you can't blame people for, you can't blame people for this kind of

00:16:00.680 populist push that you see when it seems like the people who are in charge of us and to have power

00:16:08.520 over so much of what we consume and so much of what we're able to do and say when they are so

00:16:14.660 disgusting. You can't blame people for that in my opinion. Um, and so there's a lot more that goes

00:16:22.840 into this Jussie Smollett case. I'm going to ask Jack whether he thinks what he thinks the verdict,

00:16:28.480 um, is going to be. There's also some collusion between Jussie Smollett and the Cook County State's

00:16:35.200 attorney's office, which released thousands of documents in the Smollett case in response to an

00:16:41.040 open records request, including a text from Kim Fox. She is the attorney in Cook County and she is

00:16:48.920 known for letting criminals off in the name of social justice. There was recently, um, a shootout in which

00:16:55.180 multiple gang members were murdered and he, she decided that she wasn't going to press any charges

00:17:01.140 because that's just, I guess, what happens in Chicago. So if you actually care about black lives,

00:17:07.360 shouldn't you care about this kind of injustice? But no, it obviously doesn't fish. Uh, it doesn't,

00:17:12.360 uh, it doesn't fit the narrative. Um, because she says, uh, she said apparently in these texts that

00:17:20.580 Smollett is just a washed up celeb, but he was overcharged. And so she didn't believe in the charges

00:17:26.380 that were leveled, um, against him. And so they actually had to, in August, on August 23rd, 2019,

00:17:34.400 a judge named a former U S attorney, Dan Webb, as a special prosecutor to investigate why the charges

00:17:40.480 against Smollett were dropped by Fox. And so it's just this big old convoluted mess. Smollett is still

00:17:45.700 maintaining his innocence, which is just crazy at this point. Apparently there's a love triangle

00:17:50.640 between the two Nigerian brothers who were set up to so-called, you know, allegedly attack him

00:17:57.520 and Jesse Smollett. So it's just crazy guys. It's just crazy. It's crazy. The world is bad. The world

00:18:06.100 needs, the world needs Jesus. Y'all the world needs Jesus. Um, and we can continue to pray for justice in

00:18:12.120 each of these cases though, because we know that God can do anything and our hope has to be in heaven.

00:18:17.380 And that one day God is going to rule in perfect peace and enact perfect justice forevermore. And

00:18:23.120 we won't have to deal with any of these clowns who are in charge. Jack, thank you so much for

00:18:28.840 joining us. Lots of things I want to talk to you about. First, I want to talk to you about this CIA

00:18:34.340 coverup that was actually reported on by Buzzfeed. I don't know if you're surprised by that. I kind of

00:18:41.440 was. Tell us what this is about. Yeah. So the CIA story that came out of a FOIA request

00:18:46.760 return at Buzzfeed. Now the Buzzfeed news investigative division, I got to give him

00:18:51.760 credit, right? And I know that as you know, the conservative media isn't supposed to say anything

00:18:56.000 nice about anyone on the liberal media. And those guys, Jason Leopold and Anthony Cornier over there,

00:19:01.940 they actually have done a couple of pretty good, um, FOIA requests. And that's kind of their beat.

00:19:07.360 They do FOIA requests all over the place. And I remember they did one a couple of months ago about

00:19:11.760 Fauci and Wuhan and a lot of emails came out of that. And that's sort of their thing. They're kind

00:19:16.680 of that like left libertarian Gen X sort of demographic where they're more like we're against

00:19:22.880 authority. And if that authority happens to be the government or the intelligence agencies,

00:19:28.400 that's perfectly fine for us to go after. So, um, there's some people that I've noticed a few times

00:19:33.320 in the past. They've also been very critical of, you know, done critical reporting, I should say,

00:19:37.200 of the Mueller investigation, a lot of the Russiagate stuff that was coming out. And so

00:19:41.100 I know BuzzFeed kind of gets this bad rap because they released the dossier, but at the same time

00:19:46.120 they released it, but that specific unit at BuzzFeed wasn't like releasing it, saying it was true.

00:19:51.860 They were releasing it saying, Hey, we got the document. Yeah. Gotcha. Okay. So tell us what

00:19:57.120 they revealed in this article titled secret CIA files say staffers committed sex crimes involving

00:20:03.760 children. Uh, the opening part of it says over the past 14 years, the central intelligence agency

00:20:08.520 has secretly amassed credible evidence that at least 10 of its employees and contractors

00:20:12.860 committed sexual crimes involving children. This sounds like a huge story. And yet it came out

00:20:19.320 at the beginning of December, December 1st. And I've hardly heard anything about it. The only reason

00:20:24.520 I heard something about it is actually because you mentioned it backstage before we went on Candace's

00:20:29.180 show on Monday. That's the only way that I actually knew about it. So what's going on here?

00:20:33.280 Why isn't it seen as a bigger deal? Yeah, this is one of those times where I always talk about

00:20:38.020 the corporate media's biggest power isn't actually their bias in terms of their reporting. It's their

00:20:44.140 bias in terms of story selection. So story selection bias is probably one of the most powerful

00:20:49.300 tools of the corporate media. And what do I mean by that? They can pick and choose what stories

00:20:54.960 they talk about. Why did Gabby Petito get so much attention from corporate media? And I'm not saying

00:21:00.560 she didn't deserve attention. That case didn't deserve attention. It's not what I'm saying. What

00:21:03.520 I'm saying is why did that get raised to the level that it got to? I mean, we have Amber Alerts in

00:21:07.800 this country all the time. Joy Reid said it was white woman syndrome. Yeah, Joy Reid brought up and said

00:21:13.300 it was racism because, of course, that's Joy Reid's job to say that everything is based on racism and

00:21:17.060 critical race theory and systemic racism, et cetera, et cetera. So I commend her for sticking to her

00:21:21.180 guns on everything and finding a way to turn anything into race. But even when in that situation,

00:21:26.920 I believe everyone involved was white. But it's really a situation where you ask these questions.

00:21:34.140 If this stuff is going on for 15 years, we see in these documents, the CIA Times, where you've got

00:21:38.740 people, actual CIA officers, analysts that are going into chat rooms. They're going into sex apps,

00:21:45.920 trying to meet with people or meet up with people that are underage, 14, 15, 13. And in one of the

00:21:52.040 cases, at least, we're told that the person they were talking to was actually an undercover FBI agent.

00:21:57.160 So you've got some spy on spy right there. Then you've got times where people are coming back on

00:22:01.480 agency laptops, agency equipment with thousands and thousands of photos that they downloaded while

00:22:07.620 on assignment of child pornography. And so the question becomes for everybody, what's really going on

00:22:14.200 here? Why are we getting this information now? And why are they trying to cover it up? What are

00:22:19.140 they fighting to cover up? Well, it's quite simple. Number one, this is the type of stuff,

00:22:24.020 and I say this as a prior intelligence officer, this is the type of stuff that our adversaries,

00:22:28.660 whether that be China, Iran, Russia, et cetera, they would use this in order to compromise intelligence

00:22:35.980 officers and then be able to blackmail them into handing over the keys to the kingdom,

00:22:40.620 handing over classified intelligence over not only what the United States is up to, but our source

00:22:46.240 networks, our CIA source networks and intel assets in those respective countries. Find out who their

00:22:51.260 informants are. This is a huge national security risk. That's number one. And the fact that you have

00:22:57.000 this mainstream media that spent years and years talking about Russiagate, which was based on absolute

00:23:02.120 nothing, right? You've got a situation here where, hey, wait a minute, there actually is a compromise

00:23:07.080 on these specific intelligence officers and intelligence analysts, potentially more within

00:23:12.580 our highest intelligence agency in the United States. And yet it doesn't really seem that anyone's

00:23:17.880 doing anything about that. Plus, you don't even see any senators or congressmen really taking up this

00:23:22.660 bill. Some have been pretty good on this, but taking this up, this situation and saying, hey,

00:23:26.300 let's hold a hearing on this. Let's find out what's actually going on behind the scenes of Langley.

00:23:30.280 And I'll tell you why. That's because they're terrified that they knew under John Brennan that the CIA

00:23:35.400 was spying. And we know this, right? This has all come out, was spying on Congress.

00:23:39.740 They are terrified of these people. And Chuck Schumer told us, he said the quiet part out loud,

00:23:45.000 that if you go against these guys, they have six ways from Sunday to get back at you. That's exactly

00:23:50.060 what happened with Donald Trump through his four years in office. That's exactly what would happen

00:23:53.360 to anybody. So I think it's really a situation where they release a little bit of it. And it's

00:23:58.460 something called a limited hangout. What is a limited hangout? That's where they can say,

00:24:02.600 well, all right, look, we know there's a bunch of information out there about this. We know this

00:24:06.740 has been going on, but look, it was just a couple of guys over a long period of time. We're going to

00:24:11.240 release a little bit of information and maybe you'll go away. They want you to go away. They'll

00:24:15.800 say, look, we reported it. We took care of it. It's over. But what they're not doing is reporting

00:24:20.140 what was actually going on and why particularly only one of these people was even prosecuted for this.

00:24:26.100 That's actually a huge problem in this country in general, that the prosecution of crimes against

00:24:30.500 children like this of a sexual nature is not taken seriously. Many times these people are

00:24:34.400 given probation or very scant time behind bars. It's really something that we need to take as

00:24:39.880 whether you're Republican, Democrat, left, right, whatever. I don't know if there's criminal justice

00:24:44.040 reform for child sex predators, but if there is, that's something that absolutely needs to be

00:24:49.320 turned around. So this kind of stuff doesn't happen. It's awful. There are some examples that

00:24:54.160 BuzzFeed gives. And like you said, only one actually served in a jail time for this.

00:24:58.820 One employee had sexual conduct. This is one employee of the CIA had sexual contact

00:25:03.180 with a two-year-old and a six-year-old. He was simply fired. One employee purchased sexually

00:25:08.540 explicit videos of young girls filmed by their mothers. He resigned. One employee estimated that

00:25:14.500 he had viewed up to 1,400 sexually abusive images of children while on agency assignments.

00:25:20.880 Not sure what actions, if any, were taken by him. One contractor arranged for sex with an

00:25:26.200 undercover FBI agent. I think that you mentioned that. Posing as a child, he had his contract

00:25:31.040 revoked. One CIA staffer was charged with child sexual crimes and the employee was also under

00:25:37.720 investigation for mishandling classified material. The CIA did not answer detailed questions saying

00:25:43.740 only that the agency takes all allegations of possible criminal misconduct committed by

00:25:50.600 personnel seriously. So you're saying the reason why they didn't take this more seriously,

00:25:55.400 why there weren't actual prosecutions that were carried out is because what they were trying to

00:26:02.780 not only protect their agency, but trying to protect the country from being compromised in some way by

00:26:10.680 our foreign enemies who would use this information in some kind of bribery scheme.

00:26:15.120 I think that it's actually quite worse than that. What I, in my personal opinion, my analysis based on this

00:26:20.380 is that they know that we're already compromised and they don't want to have to admit how compromised

00:26:24.960 we are by the, by these foreign adversaries, by these foreign intelligence agencies. They know

00:26:30.020 we're compromised and they don't want it all spilling out into court. So they'll go over to FBI. They'll go

00:26:34.880 over to DOJ and say, Hey, don't worry. We're taking care of this. Hey, don't worry. We'll take care of

00:26:39.020 this guy. Don't worry about that. Don't ask any questions. We don't want those secrets coming out in

00:26:42.840 court. We know the FBI does this, uh, time and again, just like in the Carl Rittenhouse case where

00:26:47.320 the FBI was able to testify behind off camera, uh, completely in silent. And then their testimony

00:26:53.020 was stricken from the record. So we couldn't even get a public review of what the transcript was,

00:26:57.480 what the FBI testimony was in the Carl Rittenhouse case, because we know they were conducting

00:27:00.800 surveillance of this entire thing. It's the exact same thing. And we're, and I was told behind the

00:27:05.360 scenes in that case, they said, we don't want our operations spilling out into court and people

00:27:10.440 talking about it on YouTube. That's a direct quote. Wow. Okay. Here's, here's more from this

00:27:16.120 and we'll finish this and then move on to the Ghislaine Maxwell trial, but sexual crimes involving

00:27:21.120 children says Buzzfeed, including the viewing, the viewing of images of abuse have been uncovered

00:27:25.820 at other agencies that handle sensitive information. And in November, 2009 report,

00:27:30.360 the department of defense acknowledged that dozens of Pentagon staff members or contractors had such

00:27:34.200 images. In 2014, the inspector general of the intelligence community found that two officials

00:27:39.220 from the national reconnaissance office, which oversees America's spy satellites acknowledge

00:27:44.580 viewing images of child sexual abuse during polygraph examinations. This is so disturbing at a

00:27:50.220 symposium in 2016, Daniel Payne, a top Pentagon security official said that when workers computers

00:27:56.340 were examined, the amount of child porn I see is just unbelievable. Is this something that is

00:28:02.400 happening for whatever reason with more frequency, um, in our intelligence agencies, or is this something

00:28:10.640 that is more pervasive in the general population than I originally realized? I mean, what's going on

00:28:17.480 here? This is so evil. Ali, we're told, and I, when I was put through recruitment into the intel

00:28:24.620 community, you know, you're put through polygraphs, you're put through a rigorous election process.

00:28:28.360 Why aren't these people weeded out? Why are so many pedophiles allowed to be given top level

00:28:36.320 security clearance? Remember, these aren't just people walking in off the street and saying,

00:28:39.440 Hey, can I get hired? Can I get a job? You're put through an extremely rigorous background check

00:28:43.940 screening, screening process. It's called an SSBI single scope background investigation.

00:28:48.440 There are people, they interview you, they interview your family, they interview your contacts,

00:28:52.060 they go through your online footprint, they go through everything. So why is it that when they're

00:28:57.040 going through these footprints, they're not checking these digital footprints, they're not checking

00:29:00.680 for so many pedophiles getting through their ranks. If it were up to me, you need to go into Congress

00:29:07.420 and Congress needs to launch a brand new church committee. Number one, to talk about domestic

00:29:11.340 surveillance operations. But number two, to ask the question, why are there so many pedophiles

00:29:16.420 sitting behind those computer screens within the walls of Langley, within the Pentagon and throughout

00:29:21.560 the broader intelligence community? It's so disturbing. And something that I've realized,

00:29:30.020 especially over the past couple of years, is how much our society hates children, not just because

00:29:34.100 it tolerates things like this and the highest levels of governance and in the general population,

00:29:39.740 but also seeing the so-called pandemic response that has disproportionately negatively affected children,

00:29:48.460 the way that children are used as progressive social experiments when it comes to gender theory,

00:29:54.180 and also, of course, the literal sacrifice of children when it comes to abortion. It just seems

00:29:58.420 like our society is so ready to lay children on the altar of adults' whims. And it's really sad and

00:30:06.140 it's really sick. Well, because at the end of the day, Ali, they've commodified human life. And to them,

00:30:10.500 you know, a child isn't someone who can be a worker. A child can't be someone who's a productive,

00:30:14.240 you know, producer or contributor to the GDP. So the child is just a commodity that can be pushed along

00:30:21.100 anywhere else to one of its best uses. This idea of looking at people as instruments, as looking at

00:30:26.780 people as just, you know, a cog in the machine, not as human beings, with humanity, with spirituality,

00:30:32.760 with a unique soul, right? A unique spiritual sense of that actual person. You're just a commodity.

00:30:40.380 You and I, we're just commodities, right? That we can be bought and sold and moved around. It doesn't matter.

00:30:44.240 Yeah, it's anti-Christ mentality and behavior. Of course, the same Jesus who said, let the children

00:30:51.200 come to me. Of course, the people who are against Christ are also going to be against the children

00:30:56.900 that he welcomes to him. Okay, speaking of pedophilia, underage people, let's talk about

00:31:02.540 this Ghislaine Maxwell trial. Now, some people are saying that the fact that there are no cameras inside

00:31:09.380 the courtroom, the fact that a lot of people aren't reporting on this is just evidence that the media

00:31:13.500 doesn't want us to pay attention to it. But it's actually not normal for cameras, media cameras,

00:31:20.660 to be inside the courtroom for these kinds of cases, correct?

00:31:25.620 It's a no federal court case has ever been broadcast on TV. Now, typically, though, there will be call-in lines.

00:31:33.200 And so you can have audio of these things. And that was going on for a lot of the trials for

00:31:37.760 General Flynn, Roger Stone, some of those, some of which I did attend, the Manafort trial I went to

00:31:42.900 here in D.C. So you can go as a member of the public. Now, of course, with COVID, for the Ghislaine

00:31:47.960 Maxwell, you've got to wait for hours. People are telling me you have to wait for hours standing in line

00:31:52.940 out there and to maybe get a chance to even get into that courtroom. So you've got a few intrepid

00:31:57.980 reporters and, you know, all credit to them for going and putting up with all of those restrictions

00:32:04.160 to be able to get into that courtroom and then post stuff on Twitter. Inner City Press is an example of

00:32:09.620 someone who's just out there every single day, shows up at like five in the morning to get in line

00:32:13.000 for this in the cold in New York. But the fact that there isn't a call in line, we're not even

00:32:17.740 getting audio of this. They're not even bringing forward any accusations regarding the Epstein

00:32:23.580 network. It really leads a lot of people and myself included to say that this isn't an

00:32:28.000 investigation. This is a cover up. The lead prosecutor in this, Maureen Comey, James Comey's

00:32:33.780 daughter. This is in Southern District of New York, one of the most powerful and liberal politicized

00:32:39.440 districts in the entire United States. So everybody knows if it's going through SDNY, it's a political

00:32:45.420 case. Now, the real question is, what are they doing? And it's simple. They don't want anyone

00:32:51.800 talking about this story. That's why they're holding it right by Christmas. They're saying

00:32:55.180 it's going to wrap up within two weeks. It might actually be, we're checking the days on this,

00:32:59.100 but it might actually end up that the Ghislaine Maxwell case, with everything that was going on

00:33:03.080 there, a human trafficking of an industrial scale, underage women, girls, and in some cases,

00:33:08.780 boys being brought to an island in the Caribbean, some of the top names, most powerful names in the

00:33:13.920 world. Epstein, the world leaders that he was into, the academia that he was into,

00:33:18.740 Wall Street tycoons, Jean-Luc Brunel, this massive French mogul in terms of media recruiting and model

00:33:26.760 recruiting. And yet we get two weeks. It's right by Christmas. The verdict comes down, and then

00:33:31.900 they're going to say, boom, boom, case closed. We don't have to talk about that anymore because

00:33:36.440 Ghislaine Maxwell, we convicted her. She's going away to jail for a long time, and that'll be the end of

00:33:40.520 it. They don't want anyone talking about this story. But there were some interesting photos

00:33:45.120 that actually came out yesterday in court, one of which included Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein

00:33:52.060 standing together or sitting together on the porch of a wooden cabin. That cabin, a lot of people

00:33:58.760 pointed out, looked very familiar, and that is actually the cabin of the royal family, the cabin of

00:34:03.720 Queen Elizabeth on Balmoral Estate up in Scotland. So Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein, again, showing

00:34:10.700 us this massive level of access. And of course, that was Ghislaine Maxwell's role in all of this.

00:34:15.600 Her father, Robert Maxwell, powerful, extremely powerful newspaper publisher, tabloid publisher up

00:34:21.220 there in the UK. Of course, he died under mysterious circumstances back in the 90s, but he had a direct

00:34:26.720 access to the royal family. That essentially passed on to his daughter. That's why Epstein brought her in

00:34:32.680 in the first place, was her access to these extreme power players that influence the level of people

00:34:39.380 that they were able to get access to, the places and the networks that they were into, the circles

00:34:43.360 they were running in, some of the most powerful in the entire Western world. And her defense is

00:34:49.040 basically trying to separate her from Epstein, basically trying to say that they had broken up at

00:34:56.320 some point and that he might have been helping her, but that was the extent of it that she wasn't

00:35:01.780 actually guilty of any kind of sex trafficking. Right. So it's very interesting. You mentioned

00:35:06.380 their direct relationship because that's something that prosecutors have really brought up throughout

00:35:10.620 all of this. And I think something that has come out through testimony and then also come out through

00:35:15.880 one of these photos, it hasn't specifically been stated yet. And we're wondering potentially,

00:35:20.400 will it happen? And will this come up if, and we're told, by the way, that there is an outside

00:35:25.420 chance that Ghislaine Maxwell might take the stand? Her side, the defense side is going to start next

00:35:30.760 week, but we'll have to really see whether or not that happens if she's going to take this in. Of course,

00:35:34.680 we saw Kyle Rittenhouse do that recently. We're seeing a lot of people do that recently. So that is

00:35:39.940 the big question. So one of the victims that came out and testified a few days ago stated that she saw

00:35:46.920 a photo of Ghislaine Maxwell naked and appeared pregnant. This is significant because we don't have

00:35:54.560 any information. Nobody's ever seen any information about Ghislaine Maxwell ever having her own

00:35:59.320 children. And then the question, of course, would be if she was with Epstein at the time. Now, she is

00:36:04.900 married now to someone else. She has stepkids up in New Hampshire. But the question is, did she

00:36:11.380 potentially have a child with Jeffrey Epstein? One of the photos released by the U.S. attorney for the

00:36:17.300 Southern District of New York yesterday. It's back in the 90s. They're both wearing sort of like

00:36:21.420 that ubiquitous 90s, you know, neon kind of ski clothing. And it's a photo of Epstein standing with

00:36:29.620 Ghislaine Maxwell and he's got his hand over her belly. And it's very clearly standing over her

00:36:36.780 belly. He's not hugging her. He's not like embracing her. He's got his hand on her belly. And the same

00:36:42.000 way that you'd see in any pregnancy photo when I did, you know, pregnancy photos with my wife, that's

00:36:46.860 exactly the pose, right? That's the pose you do when you are pregnant, when she's pregnant. And so

00:36:52.560 the question is, is it possible that there was a love child between Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey

00:36:59.000 Epstein? And if so, what happened with that child? Was it a miscarriage? Was it an abortion? Or was the

00:37:05.700 child born? Is it someone that's potentially related to this or, you know, given up for adoption? We don't

00:37:10.900 know, right? We have no clue what's going on with this entire thing. But that really would be something

00:37:15.600 that I think if they had a child together that prosecutors would be able to use to point out

00:37:21.680 how directly involved with Epstein she was at the time and, in fact, has always been.

00:37:27.920 Right. And what's interesting is going back to what you said earlier, is that even though the

00:37:32.580 connection, as you just mentioned, is so obvious, it's very well documented over the years, it seems

00:37:39.260 that the prosecution is fumbling the ball. And this is reported by Vanity Fair, by

00:37:45.520 Gabriel Sherman, saying that the prosecution is fumbling its case against Ghislaine Maxwell. Now,

00:37:51.120 you mentioned that they're just trying to get this conviction over with, saying that they did their

00:37:55.900 job and then covering it up for all of the other powerful people that are involved. Is it possible

00:38:00.740 that they are trying purposely to fumble their case? I mean, this seems like a pretty easy case to make.

00:38:09.820 And yet, according to Vanity Fair, the prosecution, I guess James Comey's daughter,

00:38:14.740 isn't doing a good job. Why would that be?

00:38:17.300 So, so, of course, it's Gabe Sherman who wrote that. So Gabe has this wonderful history of taking

00:38:21.980 something that's seemingly true and then just like driving, you know, putting his foot on the gas

00:38:26.320 pedal and taking it all the way to 100. He did that throughout the Trump White House years with

00:38:30.460 these like, you know, he always said, I have a source. And then it like never came true.

00:38:34.100 But I will give him this, right? There's always kind of a nugget of truth in anything Gabe

00:38:37.820 Sherman says. It's just you have to take away the spin on it. The fact of the matter is that they

00:38:42.660 haven't put forward a lot of documentary evidence against Ghislaine Maxwell. For me, I want to see

00:38:49.040 where's the money, right? Where's the videos? Where's the photos? We're told there were 20,000

00:38:54.500 images of all of this that there that the FBI had recovered. So we've got a few of these images that

00:39:00.660 come out. Some things like this, you know, potential pregnancy photo, a photo on the porch

00:39:05.180 with the queen. Great. Got it. They were in a relationship 100 percent. But she's not on trial

00:39:10.220 for having a relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. She's on trial for human sex trafficking and for

00:39:15.020 rape. And so where is the evidence of this? Where are the letters? Where are the emails? Where's the

00:39:19.860 phone call chain? Show me the chain of custody on all of these documents. Now, we are going to see

00:39:24.800 today, this week, Annie Farmer, one of the fourth victim who is going to be coming forward in this

00:39:30.640 case, is actually coming out and testifying in open court, not behind a privacy screen,

00:39:35.800 not protecting her anonymity. She is going out there and she is going to testify directly on this.

00:39:41.400 And so they are doing everything they can to really just base this on eyewitness testimony.

00:39:47.920 Now, of course, obviously, in cases like this, criminals, of course, are very careful not to

00:39:54.340 create any type of paper trail. But again, that's not what we've been told. The facts of this case are

00:39:59.580 videos all over the island, 20,000 images found on these hard drives, these huge binders that we

00:40:05.980 see all over Epstein's mansion, yet are completely redacted whenever the FBI releases them. I think

00:40:12.660 that it stands to reason that we can reasonably infer that there are images and there are documented

00:40:19.520 photographs of Ghislaine Maxwell participating in this type of activity. Yet the question remains,

00:40:26.200 why hasn't that information been introduced in court?

00:40:35.480 Before I move on to Jussie Smollett, I do just want to ask, like, how deep does this go? We often say

00:40:42.280 the elite and it's hard to define who exactly that is. It includes some people in academia, in Hollywood,

00:40:48.720 in the government, just the rich and influential and the powerful, some names that we've never heard

00:40:52.920 of before. But how deep do you think the connections with Jeffrey Epstein and this trafficking of minors

00:41:00.560 goes? I mean, it starts to sound like some kind of QAnon conspiracy. And yet here it is. There's

00:41:05.240 evidence of it actually happening. I mean, how pervasive is this is my question.

00:41:10.300 Look, and of course, you know, they'll take even you and I discussing this or anyone discussing this and

00:41:15.320 use it as, you know, as a way to smear people and a way to attack people and a way to say, oh,

00:41:20.820 they're crazy. Look at the stuff they said. But then I can turn around and say, but wait, look at

00:41:24.960 what the court record says. Look at what the documents say. Look at the people who are dying

00:41:29.160 behind bars. Look at the people who are on trial for these very things. And in my to my mind, I think

00:41:35.620 and I've always said my analysis on this is that at some level Epstein was running a blackmail

00:41:40.680 operation or blackmail scheme of some sort. Whether that was tied to anyone else, we just

00:41:45.040 don't know. Right. There's there's tons of speculation out there on that. But when it comes

00:41:48.480 down to it, my biggest question is, why did all of these Wall Street tycoons, people who

00:41:53.800 are CEOs of some of the most powerful companies get involved with this guy, have this guy be

00:41:58.800 the one who's managing their money, who's, you know, again, he's supposed to be this this

00:42:02.800 Wall Street money manager. And yet he has no no seeming background in this. He has no

00:42:07.380 education in this. We still aren't really sure how he made all the money that he had,

00:42:12.960 all his billions of dollars. And so the question is, was he set up in order to do this? Did

00:42:19.060 he have the ability? Did somebody bring him into these types of operations and then he

00:42:22.980 expanded it? Or was he using this type of blackmail as a way to enrich himself and to

00:42:28.080 enrich others by the by the power, essentially, of sharing secrets? Shouldn't we be a little

00:42:33.260 bit encouraged, though, that this actually is coming to light, that some people are talking

00:42:38.760 about it, reporting on it and that there is even a trial being put in place? Doesn't that

00:42:43.620 kind of cut against the idea that everyone in our intelligence agencies and everyone kind

00:42:48.940 of in our justice system is completely corrupt?

00:42:53.520 Well, no, I don't think it's like that. And I do say that as somebody who is in there,

00:42:56.340 right, I think there are people you know, you could say white hats and black hats is kind

00:43:00.220 of a phrase that's out there. But I think it's in general that there are people there

00:43:03.780 that are looking to do the right thing. I think there's people there who sign up that

00:43:07.460 want to help the country that want to do public service. But then there's other people who

00:43:11.060 go in and see it as a vehicle, who see it as a tool for their own personal interest,

00:43:15.400 their personal careers, their personal agendas. And they realize that they can become

00:43:19.220 richer, vastly richer, vastly more powerful by dealing in some of these types of operations.

00:43:26.360 Or if you get blackmail over somebody, now you can control them. And that has been just

00:43:31.140 part of human nature for as long as we've had civilization, this type of stuff. Blackmail

00:43:35.720 has been going on. These types of crimes, unfortunately, have been going on for as long

00:43:38.880 as human civilization, because it is part of humans' atavistic, primal nature. Unfortunately,

00:43:45.260 that's always going to be there. Whenever you have this level of power and this lack of oversight

00:43:49.840 over people with this kind of power, you're always going to see these type of injustices go on.

00:43:55.280 Maybe not specifically this, but you're always going to see injustices go on when there is no

00:43:59.060 transparency. Yep. Okay, quickly, let's talk about Jesse Smollett. Now, today, as we're recording

00:44:05.080 this, we don't know the verdict yet, but it might be coming out today on Thursday. So everyone knows

00:44:11.400 what happened in 2019 and kind of the timeline that has led up to today. Tell us, though, just what

00:44:17.360 has happened in court. Can you give us a synopsis of what some of the testimonies have been and what

00:44:23.180 Jussie Smollett and his team are maintaining as of now? Well, the big turning point, I think,

00:44:27.640 in all of this, and we just talked about will Ghislaine Maxwell take the stand, Jussie Smollett

00:44:31.340 took the stand himself there in that courtroom in Chicago and said, look, those guys, those Nigerian

00:44:37.000 brothers, they're lying. They're completely insane. They attacked me. And so the story has changed

00:44:42.440 right along the line because detectives have come up and shown text messages from Jussie Smollett to the

00:44:47.460 brothers saying, I'm going to take care of this. I know you didn't do anything wrong after they had been

00:44:52.700 arrested. The money, the $3,500 check that he gave to them that he claims is for nutrition and

00:45:00.440 workout programs, that doesn't really make any sense. And yet he's up there saying all of this

00:45:06.880 stuff. He's really getting into the idea that apparently he and one of the brothers were

00:45:11.420 involved in a romantic relationship that included trips to a bathhouse. He also claimed that at one

00:45:18.420 point, the brothers went to him and said, we will drop our accusations about a hoax if you give us

00:45:26.440 each $1 million. And Jussie testifies to this and Jussie's lawyers testify to this. And I remember

00:45:32.840 sitting there thinking, scratching my head going, you know, he's looking at the jury. I don't think

00:45:37.340 that makes you look good, Jussie. Right? Yeah. Pay us off so that we won't testify against you. Well,

00:45:44.460 he's saying it's a shakedown operation, but I'm saying, no, I think the evidence fits. You've got

00:45:49.280 video of this, you've got text messages of this, and you had every politician on the entire left

00:45:54.760 from Kamala Harris on down backing Jussie Smollett. He was put on Good Morning America. He was put

00:45:59.420 everywhere for this. This was a guy who was trying to further his career by using a false hate crime,

00:46:06.060 a hoax to be perpetuated against him to try to gain fame and notoriety because he didn't like that on

00:46:11.880 Empire. You know, he was only making a hundred grand an episode that, you know, that might sound

00:46:15.940 like a lot to a lot of people, but in terms of that level of TV production for HBO, that's not

00:46:21.140 that much. He wanted more. He wanted to be the star. He wanted to be in movies. This is what he saw as

00:46:26.920 his ticket to stardom. He actually testified at one point, I kid you not, he testified that in his

00:46:32.500 mind, he viewed himself as the black Cary Grant. And that's what he viewed the track of his career to

00:46:40.400 be. I mean, you're dealing with someone who, you know, I think people throw around the word,

00:46:44.080 uh, narcissistic personality disorder a lot these days, especially online. Like, you know,

00:46:48.820 every, everyone says, Oh, my ex-boyfriend was a narcissist. I saw her a narcissist. Right. Or

00:46:52.440 it, you know, I think it's become kind of a meme, but I think in this situation, you actually are

00:46:56.780 dealing with somebody who has narcissistic personality disorder. Now that's not exactly uncommon for people

00:47:01.820 in Hollywood, but it certainly is uncommon for someone to go to this absolute levels to further

00:47:07.320 their interior, just hollow self looking for something and trying to find it in fame and

00:47:13.660 fortune. Well, it leads to sociopathic tendencies. And of course, this wasn't the first time he did

00:47:18.440 something like this. He allegedly wrote a racist letter to himself and had it delivered to the studio

00:47:24.420 where Empire was being filmed for the same reason that apparently that, uh, you just listed that he

00:47:30.300 wasn't getting enough attention. What was it garnering enough fame? Um, and so he had tried to achieve

00:47:36.940 some sort of victim status in order to attain that. Um, I do, before we end, I just want to

00:47:42.460 read people a little bit of black lives matter statement, which I just thought was hilarious.

00:47:47.560 Um, it's from Dr. Melina Abdullah, director of BLM grassroots and co-founder of BLM Los Angeles.

00:47:53.980 I won't read the whole thing because it's a little long and we can post the link to it in the

00:47:58.400 description of this episode. But, um, she says basically that we have to align with Jesse because

00:48:04.460 we love everybody in our community. It's not about a trial or a verdict decided in a white

00:48:09.180 supremacist charade. She is calling this trial. I mean, talk about a charade. We're talking about

00:48:13.840 an actual charade that he put on. We have to stand, we have to stand with Jesse because he's a proud,

00:48:19.040 strong black man. And I would point out that obviously both of the brothers who are accusing him

00:48:25.680 are Nigerian. So they're also also, as is the superintendent of the Chicago police,

00:48:31.320 who's been extremely vocal in this case because his guys had to waste all their time trying to

00:48:35.780 to investigate all of it. And she said that we can't believe the Chicago police because they've

00:48:40.440 done bad things in the past that she accuses them of being racist. But she says that he has been

00:48:46.240 courageously, Jesse Smollett has been courageously present, visible and vocal in the struggle for black

00:48:52.600 freedom. And it goes back to what you were saying earlier about certain people in certain political

00:48:58.460 and social realms, seeing people as commodities. And so I guess the reason why she sees Jesse as

00:49:05.120 someone to be believed and not the Nigerian brothers is because in his position of influence,

00:49:10.400 he's more useful to their political ends. She says, we can never believe police, especially the

00:49:16.280 Chicago police department over a Jesse Smollett, a black man, while policing at large is an

00:49:21.580 irredeemable institution. CPD is notorious for its long and deep history of corruption,

00:49:25.700 racism and brutality, blah, blah, blah.

00:49:27.440 I want to know how many, how many mansions are the founders of BLM up to at this point?

00:49:32.600 Is this, was it Patrice Cullors? I think she's up to four or five. She's got to spot a ranch

00:49:36.300 out in near, I think it was Beverly Hills, right? Some ranch up in the Hollywood Hills or something,

00:49:41.240 millions of dollars. So I, you got to wonder, are they looking at another mansion out of this?

00:49:45.520 Yep. And she said that this is going towards the abolition of police

00:49:48.800 and to overturn every unjust system. So this really goes back to-

00:49:53.600 Yeah, because people in the police is doing, is working out really well across the country right

00:49:56.740 now.

00:49:56.980 Yeah. Especially if you are for the, um, the preservation of black lives in somewhere like

00:50:04.160 Chicago, the police, the police are not the issue. The police are not the ones taking the lives of

00:50:09.820 black people primarily in Chicago, but this just kind of goes to the whole progressive narrative that

00:50:15.620 truth doesn't matter. Facts don't matter. The larger meta narrative is what matters are in

00:50:21.100 political goals are what matters. So they really don't care whether or not, at least black lives

00:50:26.360 matter. They don't care whether or not he lied. It doesn't matter. In the end, they've got their

00:50:31.120 own version of truth. And that version of truth is what they were going to push no matter what.

00:50:36.300 I'm just, I'm just speaking my truth. I'm just speaking my truth, right? Don't,

00:50:40.480 don't try to impose your truth on my lived experience. Exactly. And that, and that is

00:50:46.300 exactly what they are trying to push. So they don't really care what the verdict is. Hopefully

00:50:50.400 we'll have some sort of justice though, right? What do you think the verdict is going to be?

00:50:54.980 Um, I wouldn't surprise me if Jesse is convicted, but I doubt that he'll see any jail time or any

00:50:59.640 significant, you know, jail time. He'll probably get probation with, uh, of course he'll get community

00:51:04.480 service. They'll probably have him doing like vaccine PSAs by, uh, by next week or something.

00:51:08.700 Yeah. Oh my goodness. This is, this is crazy. Well, thank you for navigating all of this insanity

00:51:13.980 for us today. I really appreciate it. Where can people find, follow you, listen to you?

00:51:18.960 Thank you, Ali. God bless you. And Merry Christmas before I don't say it. Um,

00:51:22.560 follow me. Human events daily is my podcast. We are tearing up the charts every day. We do 25 minutes

00:51:27.360 on this stuff. You get in, get out our motto to you. Just like when I was in the Navy,

00:51:30.700 it's be good, be brief, be gone. Then we go. You can also follow me Twitter and get her G E T T R.

00:51:36.520 It's Jack Posobiec on there. We just saw what Twitter did with their new CEO. They brought out

00:51:40.020 this new woke guy. The censorship is coming down. The band hammers are coming down. That's why I

00:51:43.960 always say I'm getting my lifeboat ready. I'm going to get her. Hang on. Okay. I got to pause

00:51:49.160 because there are people saying though, that get her has taken millions of dollars from a Chinese

00:51:54.100 billionaire that you don't need to go to get her. What do you say to that? Well, that's a miles

00:51:58.880 Guo is someone who's is actually a Chinese dissident against the CCP and he's provided information to

00:52:03.280 the U S government about the CCP's operations. Hmm. Okay. I don't know enough about that,

00:52:08.520 but people that we both love and respect have been saying some things about get her that I

00:52:12.260 haven't personally verified. So I just want to see your take on that because I know you care about

00:52:15.960 that too. Thank you for your take on that. Oh yeah. You're taking on all of this. You know,

00:52:20.220 they've got investors just like any other tech startup. Well, thank you so much, Jack. I hope

00:52:24.200 you have a great day. Thank you.

00:52:25.800 I hope you got it.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 09, 2021

Ep 536 ｜ Ghislaine Maxwell, Secret CIA Sex Crimes & the Jussie Smollett Hoax ｜ Guest： Jack Posobiec

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