Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 539 ｜ The Rise of the Metaverse Church & the Fall of COVID

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable happy wednesday hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far

00:00:14.440 today we are talking to our friend steve days we're going to be talking about a few things we're

00:00:19.080 going to be talking about to the metaverse church i don't know if you guys saw this it's like a sims

00:00:26.160 game where you can attend church as like an avatar and there are differing opinions on this is it good

00:00:31.940 because you're reaching more people is it bad because it's taking away the in-person opportunity

00:00:37.080 that people have to fellowship and do things that we're supposed to do together as christians we're

00:00:41.100 going to talk about that we're going to talk about his new book the need that we have for boldness

00:00:45.720 and preserving the freedoms that seem to be on the precipice of vanishing not just in the united

00:00:54.200 states but certainly around the world and then of course we are going to talk about covid we're

00:00:59.500 going to talk about some of the covid numbers some of the restrictions that we are seeing come down

00:01:03.380 the pipeline what's the truth about omicron all that stuff and then also he has a book that is

00:01:08.560 turning into a movie and there's been some drama surrounding the production of that movie and so

00:01:13.820 we're going to talk about all of that now before i get into my conversation with him i do just want to

00:01:20.120 talk about some of the specific numbers of covid that we are not going to get a chance to get into

00:01:26.320 with him because he's mostly going to be offering his analysis and commentary but i do kind of want

00:01:31.260 to set it up and look i understand we're tired we are tired of talking about covid i am tired of

00:01:38.320 talking about covid i don't want to talk about covid anymore but this is something that's affecting

00:01:42.460 people's lives not just people who are getting infected by the virus but who are affected by

00:01:48.640 the uh the policies and the rules and the mandates and the passports and all of the things that are

00:01:54.800 being put forward in the name of public health and safety by the way authoritarian measures are always

00:02:01.560 done in the name of public health and safety it's so funny when i see people saying for example

00:02:08.180 vaccine passports vaccine verification for five-year-olds in new york city which has been

00:02:13.780 blocked by a judge but was tried to uh de blasio tried to put it into place a couple weeks ago when

00:02:20.080 i see people online saying that's totally unnecessary this is not good this is authoritarian this doesn't

00:02:26.920 seem to be logical and then you get the retorts to that saying this is for our health why are you so

00:02:32.420 terrible why do you not care about children yeah authoritarianism always has the pretense

00:02:38.140 of benefiting society that's not really the point the point is is this the role the responsibility the

00:02:46.000 right of the state to infringe upon people's rights to move and live and eat freely i mean that's a

00:02:52.700 significant question the question really isn't whether or not it's going to keep people safe the

00:02:57.440 question is whether or not the government has a role to do that and if the government takes

00:03:02.060 responsibilities that they don't have and infringe and infringes upon rights that we do have then

00:03:08.820 there are going to be very dire consequences to that action even if in the short term it seems to

00:03:15.440 keep us safe which by the way vaccine passports for five-year-olds will not keep anyone safe it won't

00:03:22.020 there's no logic there's no science there's no data backing that up so now we have omicron which we

00:03:26.820 talked about a couple weeks ago what we're seeing apparently so far is that people aren't really

00:03:32.240 dying from omicron although it's going to take a little bit to see if that is true over the next

00:03:38.740 couple of months it seems to be more transmissible as the who says if we can even trust the who who

00:03:45.080 covered up the origins of this mass to begin with as we talked about from the beginning uh but

00:03:50.720 apparently it is not quite as deadly whereas with delta we saw higher transmissibility we also saw

00:03:58.280 a higher death rate but even with that it wasn't the it wasn't the severity that we were warned about

00:04:06.260 with delta that's not saying that the people who died with the delta variant don't matter that their

00:04:11.300 lives aren't valuable we're just looking at the numbers we're looking at the data and a lot of the

00:04:16.320 doom and gloom that we have seen from the beginning hasn't come to fruition again i understand

00:04:20.360 hundreds of thousands of people have died in the u.s i understand millions of people have died

00:04:24.180 worldwide i'm not saying that this is a virus that you shouldn't have any concern about

00:04:27.840 whatsoever i'm just saying when you're making policy you do have to weigh the risks and rewards

00:04:33.420 you do have to look at things like hard numbers to ask yourself what makes sense here and it seems like

00:04:39.260 a lot of our politicians haven't looked at those things or they have looked at those things and they

00:04:43.240 have just simply nefariously put in restrictions that limit people's liberty because they want more power

00:04:48.900 of course we can look throughout history and we can see that that is probably true dr anthony

00:04:55.300 fauci lord fauci told cnn on tuesday that omicron will for sure become the dominant strain in the u.s

00:05:01.320 given how rapidly it is spreading so that may very well be true but of course around the world they are

00:05:09.260 not seeing like i said an increase in death and hospitalization rates because of this particular

00:05:13.900 variant and yet we are seeing countries uh put restrictions in place in the name of helping

00:05:21.360 people so we've seen austria impose criminal fines up to 15 862 dollars a year for those who refuse the

00:05:28.920 covid vaccination that's supposed to take effect in february in australia we are seeing people placed in

00:05:35.820 quarantine camps even despite negative covid tests in germany ritual humiliation this is according to

00:05:42.520 fox 26 news uh ritual humiliation of children in germany is happening where kids are apparently

00:05:49.840 are forced to go they're forced to go to the front of the classroom and state their vaccination status

00:05:54.060 kids who are vaccinated are apparently applauded while kids who are not vaccinated are not applauded

00:06:01.500 hmm you would think that germany would understand the danger in dehumanizing and segregating

00:06:09.120 uh parts of their population and punishing parts of their population based on a particular status but i guess

00:06:16.720 not they have also imposed new restrictions on gatherings uh culture and leisure facilities are now

00:06:23.680 accessible only for people who can prove full vaccination by the way the definition of full

00:06:28.520 vaccination keeps changing about 16 to 17 percent of the country has already gotten booster shots

00:06:33.920 now that is considered full vaccination what you're going to see is people who got the two doses of the

00:06:40.140 vaccine say whoa whoa whoa i was told that i could do this and it'd be done and now you're telling me i

00:06:44.860 have to get even more doses of this vaccine you're going to see even more pushback and i saw a tweet that

00:06:50.560 i appreciated that said those of you who are now just now realizing that forced vaccinations and

00:06:59.580 restrictions based on vaccination status is bad because you are part of the group that only has

00:07:05.720 two vaccinations uh those of us who have been against vaccine mandates and restrictions this

00:07:11.160 whole time have always had your back and we're glad that you are now joining the team of rationality and

00:07:17.440 in italy um italy is to impose super green pass covid restrictions on unvaccinated this is also

00:07:26.160 happening in the uk unvaccinated workers must come clean to employers under new covid rules that is

00:07:32.900 according to telegraph they have also just voted to implement vaccine passports according to ian msc

00:07:41.420 on twitter who we talk about a lot we cite his graphs that he makes based on publicly

00:07:47.300 available data he talks about on twitter that the uk just implemented these vaccine passports in

00:07:53.940 addition to other restrictions and then he gives a graph starting i think in the at the end of january

00:08:01.940 in 20 yep in 2020 and he looks at the uk case rate per day and in the graph he places all of the

00:08:14.760 dates of the different mandates that were put in place mask mandates and of course these new

00:08:20.580 restrictions and he shows that there was no change in the case rate the case rate did not go down when

00:08:27.900 any of these mandates were put in place and yet here they are putting new mandates in place hoping i guess

00:08:32.780 that this time is going to be different now this is all having a severe effect on people's mental health

00:08:41.520 including children and i want to get to that in just one second so this is according to the new

00:08:47.280 york times this is the headline across the world covet anxiety and depression take hold this sense of

00:08:53.080 endlessness accompanied by growing psychological distress leading to depression was a recurrent theme

00:08:57.520 in two dozen interviews conducted in asia europe africa and the americas among adolescents and young

00:09:05.160 adults stuck on their screens often unable to uh unable to date over the past two years inundated

00:09:11.520 with online friends but short of actual contact anorexia and bulimia have spread how devastating

00:09:18.260 said miss uh melchior i think that's how you pronounce it the fringe epidemiologist who focuses

00:09:23.920 on mental illness in france depression and anxiety are at about twice normal levels the surgeon general in

00:09:31.360 the united states warned the young people are facing devastating mental health effects as a result of

00:09:35.380 the pandemic and other challenges experienced by their generation it's not a result of the pandemic

00:09:40.020 it's not it's not a result of covid they are not having depression they're not having eating disorders

00:09:44.960 they're not struggling with their gender identity and all different kinds of psychological confusion and

00:09:49.580 trauma because of the pandemic the they are struggling because they have been isolated in their homes

00:09:55.880 because a lot of them have parents that have been living in paralyzing paranoia for the past

00:10:01.160 couple of years they have parents who have put restrictions on them for no reason because

00:10:06.120 they have a at most a 0.03 chance of death from covid they're struggling because of a lack of normalcy

00:10:15.620 because of a lack of stability because parents have put their fear before not just parents because most

00:10:22.440 parents are doing the absolute best job that they possibly can most parents have tried really hard to

00:10:28.120 create a very stable and normal environment for their kids liberal and conservative alike i should say

00:10:32.940 adults politicians some teachers the teachers unions have put their fear above the well-being and the

00:10:42.760 health especially the mental health of young people we have sacrificed the stability and health of young

00:10:49.800 people for a pretense of safety and protection for the old and the infant that's not how society is

00:10:57.320 supposed to be ordered and yet that's exactly what we have done uh the same goes for cognitive

00:11:02.700 development for young children there is a new study showing that children born during the pandemic

00:11:07.980 score lower on cognitive tests the study finds um a study of 672 children from rhode island that has

00:11:14.900 run since 2011 those born after the pandemic began uh after the pandemic began showed results on the

00:11:21.100 mullen scales of early learning that corresponded to an average iq score of 78 a drop of 22 points

00:11:26.760 22 points from the average of previous cohorts scores among children born during the pandemic began to

00:11:33.440 decline in 2020 in an early composite that measured fine and gross motor control visual reception and

00:11:41.160 expressive and receptive language but it was in 2021 that the developmental deficit became significant

00:11:46.980 the effect was larger in boys than in girls um this is according to uh one of the authors

00:11:56.620 of the study it says we do have some preliminary data that we're working on in a separate study

00:12:02.440 using miniature recorders which the infants wear on their chest which measure the interaction

00:12:07.400 between the caregiver and the child and what we are seeing anecdotally is a significant depression

00:12:12.340 and the number of words spoken to kids and as you can imagine a massive increase in tv exposure

00:12:17.540 and a decline in meaningful conversations time spent engaged with the caregiver is way down which

00:12:23.320 is absolutely devastating this also has to do with masks like we know the american academy of pediatrics

00:12:29.980 before they became politicized they put out a 2013 study about the importance of smiling to your infant

00:12:36.400 and the importance of uh seeing of the infant seeing your mouth move when you are forming words and now you've

00:12:43.780 got a bunch of kids who are still in daycare or they're still in school where their teacher where their

00:12:50.060 caregiver is wearing a mask in some cases even the parent is wearing a mask that is going to have a

00:12:54.500 huge long-term effect on your child and if the other students the other kids are wearing masks that is

00:13:01.800 going to have a huge long-term developmental social impact on your child if you can if your child is

00:13:08.780 currently in a setting where they are surrounded by people wearing masks if you can i know this is not

00:13:14.060 possible for everyone you need to try to change their setting you need to bring them home you need to put

00:13:18.660 them in another institution that is not requiring this this is a form of psychological abuse that we

00:13:23.600 are seeing among kids and i know that a lot of people think that they're doing it for their safety

00:13:27.860 but there is no data showing that cloth masks are helping kids not get the virus and guess what even

00:13:33.120 if they do get the virus it's going to be mostly i know not every time but it's going to be mostly

00:13:38.100 sniffles there are other viruses that are circulating even though a lot of people are still wearing masks

00:13:44.360 like rsv that's going around it's raging again just like it did over the summer kids are being

00:13:49.180 hospitalized because of that and yet we have no mitigation strategies in place whatsoever to try

00:13:53.580 to prevent kids from getting that only this virus that seems to have a very uh light uh impact on them

00:14:02.400 and on their health it doesn't make any sense it doesn't make any sense the risks to the so-called

00:14:08.100 mitigation strategies that we've put in place uh seem to have way more risks than rewards for

00:14:16.200 adolescents once again we are placing kids on the altar of adults wishes and that is not how society

00:14:23.020 is supposed to be ordered we're also seeing emergency department visits for suspected suicide attempts

00:14:29.260 among people aged 12 to 25 years before and during the covid 19 uh pandemic we are seeing that those

00:14:37.520 numbers are much higher from uh 2020 to 2021 than they were pre-pandemic they're up significantly

00:14:45.860 especially ages 12 to 17 years old especially among young girls this is according to the cdc

00:14:53.020 and so again we are not doing a service to our kids everyone who is talking about oh we get to go

00:14:58.820 back to normal when i vaccinate my kids oh we get to go back to normal when more than 60 percent of the

00:15:05.260 country is vaccinated first of all that's not going to happen your kid can't wait okay there's no time

00:15:10.280 there's no time and if you fumbled the ball so far by allowing your kid to be paralyzed by paranoia

00:15:16.540 allowing your child to be placed in a setting unfortunately i understand not everyone has

00:15:22.280 control over this but if your child has been negatively impacted by this so far then you need

00:15:29.500 to make every effort as parents our responsibility to put your child in a situation that is as normal as

00:15:34.760 possible as interactive as possible they can have real life interaction they can have meaningful

00:15:39.580 conversations i know i've been talking about this on social media a lot but your child having

00:15:44.440 unrestricted access to social media and the internet is damaging to them psychologically it's damaging to

00:15:50.020 them morally it's damaging to them emotionally and spiritually as the parent we have to put those

00:15:56.540 boundaries in place and place our kids in situations that's going to make them smarter that's going to make

00:16:01.980 them kinder that's going to make them wiser more whole and healthier that's our responsibility as

00:16:07.160 parents and unfortunately the state as it always does has fumbled the ball because the state doesn't

00:16:11.880 care about your child but you do as we talked about yesterday as well um all right there's a lot more

00:16:18.420 that we could get to also drug overdose deaths uh top 100 000 annually that's a big deal that hasn't

00:16:24.820 happened in a very long time in the united states and so mental health is not doing well it was already

00:16:31.180 not doing well before covid now it's definitely not doing well and so this is an opportunity not just for

00:16:36.280 parents to step up but especially for christians to step up to make sure that we are opening our doors

00:16:41.220 to everyone to make sure that we are fellowshipping in person to make sure that we are bold about the hope

00:16:47.780 that we have in christ like this is the opportunity for the church to be a refuge of love and fellowship

00:16:53.800 and uh hope and boldness and bravery and courage and clarity all of the things that people are trying

00:17:00.020 and failing to find inside themselves in the world and from the government the church must offer it

00:17:04.340 through the power of christ and that is how we are going to start the conversation with our friend

00:17:08.760 steve dace in just one second steve thank you so much for joining us we've got a lot to talk about

00:17:15.960 per usual first can you tell us about your new book and also tell us how you write a new book every

00:17:21.900 three months um well our new book uh which you were uh kind enough to endorse which i appreciate

00:17:29.100 uh it's called do what you believe or you won't be free to believe it much longer and it's it's kind

00:17:35.540 of an update and an homage of francis schaefer's classic from 40 years ago the christian manifesto which

00:17:41.920 really shaped a lot of um contemporary christian political and and cultural engagement in the

00:17:49.140 1980s and 90s and and had a lot of influence there and certainly not claiming uh to walk a mile in

00:17:55.100 those moccasins but i just kind of looked around and and thought you know we could use some updated

00:17:59.820 tactics given the fact we're facing a next level assault on the culture i mean when you see stats like

00:18:05.460 40 years ago 40 percent of american households were married with children and today the number is 18 percent

00:18:11.460 yes that's death of that's death of the west kind of stuff okay and and so when you look at big tech

00:18:16.940 censorship so even though we've got increasing information and data out there showing whether

00:18:22.740 no matter what your your your countries or states uh jab rate happens to be uh it doesn't really affect

00:18:29.920 the spread of covid whatsoever so of course in response to that twitter says we we may start banning

00:18:34.800 people who claim that vaccinated people can spread the virus which they can we're just facing a

00:18:40.840 totally different level of of culture war than we were when when schaefer wrote that classic so

00:18:46.120 this is my attempt to update it as best i can uh also with my own experience working in political

00:18:54.320 circles and cultural engagement and what i've observed doing the show and it's written for both

00:18:58.980 individuals and small groups there are discussion questions after every chapter and this is really

00:19:05.300 a how-to guide how do we go out there and do what we believe i think this is so important for the

00:19:12.160 church right now because there's a lot of people who say that they believe and have always said that

00:19:18.460 they believe in the hope of heaven they're bold because of christ they have faith in christ they know

00:19:22.840 that our outer selves are being you know they're wasting away our inner selves are being renewed day by

00:19:27.760 day these things that we all say as christians we're more than conquerors in christ and then covid hit

00:19:33.040 and we saw a lot of people and are still seeing a lot of people mimic the paranoia of the world not

00:19:39.140 to say that there is no reason for concern when it comes to sickness or something that is contagious of

00:19:44.580 course there is but we saw a lot of people acting just as afraid uh just as paranoid just as anxious

00:19:54.880 as a world who believes that this life is all there is and we're seeing the consequences of churches

00:20:02.120 looking exactly like secular society and their behavior and response to covid we're seeing uh in

00:20:08.900 the wall street journal it says that church attendance is roughly 30 to 50 lower than it was

00:20:15.420 before the pandemic before the pandemic that was two years ago 30 to 50 and i just wonder if that's

00:20:22.980 because a lot of a lot of churches closed a lot of churches closed their doors a lot of churches now

00:20:28.560 apparently are saying sorry we're only having services for people who are vaccinated i wonder

00:20:33.840 if that has something to do with the lower attendance and what kind of long-term consequences

00:20:40.060 the absolute fear of the church will have on society well when you have a when you have a system that is

00:20:48.020 predicated uh ali pardon me sorry it's early for me to talk this much uh when you have a when you have a

00:20:53.960 system that is predicated on god-given rights and not mandate government mandated and recognized

00:21:01.080 privileges the idea that you're going to preserve that fundamental cornerstone truth of your society

00:21:08.240 god-given rights without a vibrant and active engagement and role from the church that is his

00:21:13.620 representative corporately not individually we are but corporately is his representative to a

00:21:20.120 community in a culture or a country good luck with that and it's not even all the points you made are

00:21:26.900 absolutely i think valid let me let me add one though if you don't mind it's one thing to make

00:21:32.860 church accessible it's another thing to make it easy accessible and easy are not the same thing

00:21:39.660 because what we also did was we kind of just said you know church doesn't literally mean gathering

00:21:45.400 in the original greek it doesn't mean that uh and and so you know just stay home you know and church

00:21:51.400 is like netflix and chill yeah you can participate passively in other words it's not special we the

00:21:58.560 church voluntarily branded itself as not special that it's not really you know paramount that you are

00:22:07.520 here physically in this space that we can do everything we typically do virtually which is funny because

00:22:14.880 this time of year and you can see our studio set here is adorned uh with the most wonderful time

00:22:20.000 of the year this time of year we sing and we recognize and we celebrate that that god did not

00:22:26.320 keep it virtual uh that god did not send a zoom call uh from on high uh that that he put himself

00:22:32.600 into human form that he nursed like a human baby did he dirtied his diaper like a human baby does

00:22:38.800 that he needed to be burnt he needed to be taught to speak to walk to function uh he needed to be

00:22:44.620 turn it become literate that he had to go through all the same things we as humans have to we celebrate

00:22:51.480 the fact that god made himself accessible and doing that wasn't easy it required him to basically leave

00:22:58.640 paradise uh and and circulate here amongst a bunch of sinful meat bags and sweat like they do and hunger

00:23:05.900 and thirst like we do uh i mean and that's sort of the model that we are to be uh as his church to the

00:23:12.420 world we are accessible but we are not easy we have branded ourselves that it's not special to come

00:23:18.240 and commune here any longer it's not it's not special to participate any longer you just sit there

00:23:23.520 you chill out on the couch you keep it safe and we'll bring the product to you and i think that's

00:23:29.400 also factored into this yep john one the word became flesh and dwelled among us we call him

00:23:37.520 emmanuel because that means god with us i guess he could have perhaps stayed on high and just issued

00:23:44.020 the decree and issued some kind of form of redemption that didn't involve a bloody sacrifice

00:23:51.560 obviously we knew that he was going to because of old testament prophecy but as you said he is god

00:24:00.960 made flesh he dwelt among us and um he was in person he was in form of redemption he wasn't just

00:24:10.140 a message decreed on high and i do think we forget that i am curious before i get to my question about

00:24:18.300 the metaverse church which i don't know if you've seen this or not but i feel like you would have a

00:24:22.120 take on it uh before we get to that i do want to just encourage people to go to uh there are many

00:24:28.220 places that they can get your book do what you believe or you won't be uh free to believe it much

00:24:32.980 longer but if you don't want to get it from amazon you can go to a place like conservativereaders.com

00:24:38.460 they've got it there there are a variety of places where they can get your book correct correct the

00:24:44.620 publisher always wants me to promote amazon because that's the number one most recognized

00:24:48.820 sales mechanism nowadays and over 80 percent of books in america are sold there but you bet i mean

00:24:55.700 anywhere that you can find it would be great but uh amazon is the place that the publisher always

00:24:59.980 says make sure you promote amazon so yeah and hey that's a good thing even though we don't love

00:25:04.240 amazon we want people to see books like this on the list and on the top charts and we want more people

00:25:09.080 to read it so if that's the place where you want to get it then amazon is great too okay so speaking of

00:25:14.580 what we were talking about i know we're going to get into some covid stuff in a second but i saw this

00:25:18.540 pastor um promote basically a metaverse church where people can go to church not not just um not

00:25:26.620 just online so you're not just watching a sermon online i don't know if you saw this or not but

00:25:30.320 you're basically like a sims character where you are you see your character on the screen going in and

00:25:36.800 sitting down and congregating with people having you know digital coffee and things like that and i saw

00:25:42.120 i mean we're not talking about progressives here we are talking about people who probably see

00:25:46.000 themselves as conservative evangelicals praising this and saying this is great i guess i get it on

00:25:51.040 the one hand like you are using whatever means possible to reach people on the other hand my

00:25:55.460 thought is okay how can you really fellowship get to know people hold people accountable for their sin

00:26:00.600 encourage one another take communion baptize one another through the metaverse which are all

00:26:05.700 commands that we are given in scripture what do you think about that it goes back to what we were

00:26:10.760 just talking about you know i'm not even a big fan frankly taking a step down i don't like it when

00:26:16.340 churches franchise right uh and where well we're one church in many locations okay but that doesn't

00:26:24.100 mean that there's a local pastor there that is preaching and teaching a congregation right apparently

00:26:28.900 you couldn't find anybody in the ancillary suburb that god could possibly call you're just such a

00:26:34.840 special teacher that you're just so uniquely gifted that we had we had to franchise you out like

00:26:41.700 crispy creams or mcdonald's fries we couldn't find somebody local to shepherd the people uh you couldn't

00:26:47.320 plant a church uh you just had to plant more of yourself you had to expand your brand i'm not even a fan

00:26:52.800 of that okay um because so much of this is the local church is the prime is god's primary entry point

00:27:00.680 of discipleship of discipling the nations uh it's the primary contact point to the world is the local

00:27:07.860 church uh and that is a very tangible transaction we are materialistic beings uh on a spiritual path

00:27:15.680 we require therefore a materialistic natural connection that's why going back to you know you

00:27:22.080 quoting from from from the new testament there emmanuel god with us that's why god came here and before that

00:27:28.020 he physically manifested himself as pillars of smoke uh burning bushes consuming fires because we he and

00:27:36.500 he sent the holy spirit to individual prophets because we require that level of tangible connection as

00:27:43.920 materialistic beings in a fallen world the idea that we would now just remove that and we wouldn't do

00:27:50.400 that by the way to for some you know pietistic spiritual hyper spiritual conversation that we can

00:27:58.500 have is this moving us to a place of deeper spirituality but instead for further uh convenience

00:28:05.660 again to make it easy to participate uh that it's that to me i just find uh i find that every bit is

00:28:13.440 threatening frankly as open heresy at least with an open heresy i can confront it head on at least with an

00:28:19.520 open heresy saint nicholas can get up at the council of nicaea and pimp slap areas a couple of times

00:28:24.860 okay with this kind and that literally happened by the way for people that want to know what i'm

00:28:28.700 referencing uh in this with this kind of of softened heretical or unorthodoxy or deorthodoxy

00:28:37.100 maybe is a better word to me that's even more threatening because it's there's a reason why we're

00:28:42.360 warned against wolves in sheep's clothing and not wolves when you see the fangs and claws of a wolf

00:28:47.760 you instinctively know what to do as a person it's when it comes dressed when it shows up at

00:28:53.360 little red riding's house little red riding hood's house and it's dressed in grandmother's garb that's

00:28:57.780 when you let it in i also think about the fact that the church is the bride of christ and in the

00:29:03.660 same way we're that you wouldn't have a metaverse marriage uh it seems to me that it's just as

00:29:10.200 illogical that you would be able to have a metaverse true relationship with the church it just

00:29:16.180 doesn't work like that if god wanted us to exist digitally he would have created us that way but

00:29:21.020 he did create us in the flesh and as you said so well jesus is god made flesh so that to me tells

00:29:27.320 us something about how we are to interact with one another as the body of christ we're also called the

00:29:33.080 body of christ there are so many different parts of this we're not the avatar of christ right right

00:29:38.580 we're not exactly we're not the screenshot of christ we're the body of christ okay cool right

00:29:42.960 right right exactly there are so many different pieces i knew you would have a good take on it okay

00:29:47.320 let's move to uh let's move to some covid stuff i'm sure that you feel like me like i'm tired of

00:29:54.360 talking about covid i just yes i just wish that we didn't have to talk about it anymore and yet there

00:30:00.700 are some people that their fear truly is renewed and refreshed every time a new variant comes around

00:30:08.420 apparently this variant though is less deadly but more transmissible than previous variants i honestly

00:30:15.960 don't know what do you know steve what i know you know i feel like led zeppelin i just don't want to

00:30:21.420 play stairway to heaven anymore even though everybody keeps requesting it okay i mean talking

00:30:25.440 talking about this and and the way we have approached this subject on our show has literally tripled our

00:30:31.400 audience in the last year and a half and and i don't want to talk about it anymore okay because

00:30:36.200 however i i it's it's the godfather part three every time i think that i'm out they pull me back

00:30:41.540 in right right so now i am i am actually maybe ecstatic isn't the right word intellectually

00:30:49.820 stimulated peaked by omicron and and i think this is something that your audience needs to know is that

00:30:57.080 omicron is more than a variant it is a control group and here's why omicron is going to be quite the

00:31:04.300 revealer here in the u.s in the next few months so if you look at south africa where they claim

00:31:08.840 omicron uh originated which i don't believe by the way but but i'll even use as i've often used

00:31:14.860 their own data against them i will i'll use their own narrative their own origin story against them

00:31:20.040 all right so south africa has already kind of seen its epidemiological peak with omicron

00:31:25.100 and and i'll keep in mind people like to say well they have less obese people in south africa and

00:31:31.100 that is true ali and one of the reasons why is because 55.5 percent of the population of south

00:31:36.440 africa is below the poverty line so it's not like they're just throwing plates around 24 hours a day

00:31:41.400 there at planet fitness there in johannesburg okay uh they're not healthy the other way they're starving

00:31:46.520 in that country the average male life expectancy and we know that covet hits men harder than women

00:31:51.900 the average male life expectancy in south africa is 64.1 years in the united states it is 78.9 that is

00:31:59.880 15 years that's a massive difference yeah in the 21st century it is not a healthier population

00:32:05.760 also only one out of four people in south africa are double jabbed in the continent only 17 percent

00:32:12.060 of the continent has been double jabbed or more so this is a low jab i don't even use the term

00:32:17.440 vaccination anymore these aren't vaccines in that that's why they had to change the definition

00:32:21.840 they do not stop you from getting the virus or spreading it they're not inoculations they're not

00:32:26.880 immunizations uh they're a form of a prophylaxis therapeutic frankly like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine

00:32:33.780 are they just inject a different technology into you right so um they're they're not jabbed they're

00:32:41.540 they're not healthy they're poorer much poorer than we are and yet the death rate from omicron in south

00:32:48.740 africa is extraordinarily low as cases surge well now originally here in the u.s this summer and and in

00:32:56.800 the west in the uk everywhere in the west this summer delta looked like the same thing and i can go

00:33:02.440 back and show you all kinds of media articles from july and august saying you know delta symptoms often

00:33:07.680 you know present themselves as a as a cold what happened why delta then became more serious why

00:33:15.220 well omicron is about to reveal that to us because if it if the same thing happens with omicron as it

00:33:22.300 asserts itself especially now with northern seasonality here in the u.s what we what we're

00:33:27.960 seeing right now with omicron is we don't i think we have two people that have died with it in the u.s

00:33:33.560 total uh and then something like you're five times more likely to have uh have tested positive for

00:33:41.360 omicron if you're double jabbed than if you had natural immunity you're you're more than two times

00:33:46.760 more likely to have tested positive for omicron if you're triple jabbed than if you had natural

00:33:51.260 immunity so we are seeing natural immunity hold up against omicron we are not seeing

00:33:55.360 the pharmaceutical jabs hold up against it and the what what omicron is going to show us is

00:34:02.160 if it remains mild here then we have then omicron is the control group that shows us

00:34:08.000 that the virus is attenuating and that the pandemic is essentially over that doesn't mean covet is over

00:34:13.480 the flu is not over rhino virus isn't over rsv isn't over okay but the pandemic phase of this

00:34:18.620 operation is over the virus is now attenuating down as viruses typically do when they mutate

00:34:24.240 and that's what we're seeing in south africa if however it it goes the way of what of what delta

00:34:31.580 did that it grows stronger the the further it penetrates into the population then we have

00:34:37.920 another control group and we're going to have to look at two questions as to why that is a is it

00:34:43.780 because we have erroneously attempted to vaccinate into a pandemic and therefore from an evo a smally

00:34:51.400 evolutionary standpoint we have presented a weaker a weaker vessel against a mutation against uh of an

00:34:59.140 outbreak and a strain causing the mutations to grow stronger rather than weaker that does happen

00:35:04.980 it's sometimes referred to as antibody dependent enhancement or a leaky vaccine and then we also have to look at

00:35:13.460 places in africa what are they doing for early treatment there uh prophylaxis over the counter

00:35:18.460 things like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine one of the reasons they're so little jabbed over there is

00:35:23.400 a lot of these countries cannot afford them uh and so they a lot of them are using early treatments

00:35:29.080 that are cheaper and more available anti-parasitics like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine

00:35:33.980 that they're trying to stop you from using here in the united states either way omicron is going to

00:35:39.880 reveal a truth to us that either the virus is attenuating and the pandemic phase is over and

00:35:45.680 therefore as the democrat governor of colorado recently said quote the emergency is over and

00:35:51.000 unquote or that it is growing stronger as as delta did when it came to the west and then we have to

00:35:57.640 ask ourselves why what are we doing similar to india where delta came from it was originally called

00:36:03.400 the indian variant what did what are we doing differently here than in india well india except for a

00:36:08.820 couple of its largest population states used early treatments like ivermectin it's a very low

00:36:13.460 vaccinated country so we would have the same questions to confront here in the u.s and we're

00:36:19.240 going to sit here over the next few months with northern seasonality yep and i think that we are

00:36:25.500 seeing some people realize even some democrats realize that as the colorado governor said the

00:36:32.960 emergency is over and yet in some places that are not seeing an emergency level of new deaths or

00:36:39.180 cases or hospitalizations we are seeing them increase restrictions we're seeing that in places

00:36:44.960 like ireland we're seeing the uk they just decided to use vaccine passports we're seeing denmark

00:36:51.520 we're yeah in the scandinavian countries which is very frightening considering we've looked to a place

00:36:56.840 like sweden as a as a bastion of freedom and common sense over the past couple years um obviously

00:37:05.140 they've got camps in australia and i believe new zealand as well some people are saying oh it's fine

00:37:12.660 you get netflix and things like that but you're literally you're not allowed to leave you don't

00:37:16.500 have any you don't have any liberty you don't have any choice and even people who are testing negative

00:37:20.980 for covid or even in some cases being put in these camps and so um and then of course you've got new

00:37:28.300 mask mandates in places like california in places like new york since those have worked so well in

00:37:34.100 the past you've got vaccine mandates in places like la i think that they just deferred the deadline for

00:37:40.120 that until fall of 2022 because that's what you do when there's a health emergency you can defer the

00:37:44.800 thing that you're saying exactly this is so it's so adamant that we do all of this which that we have

00:37:49.080 to postpone it for uh 10 months exactly so what's going on here what's going on why why is this

00:37:54.480 happening if the emergency is over it's because you're you're seeing a confluence of belief systems

00:38:00.480 within a within one singular worldview and they're in conflict now with one another and they are right

00:38:08.300 now the dominant shall i call it strain or mutation in charge of a lot of the urban sectors large urban

00:38:15.140 sectors of the country and in charge of washington dc and so there is sort of this political reality

00:38:21.640 guys we're going to lose 80 bleepin seats next year if we don't stop this okay i mean you're we're going

00:38:28.040 to see i mean stacy abrams isn't going to lose by just 50 000 votes in georgia this time okay she's

00:38:34.100 going to lose by 150 000 votes um we're going to lose the senate we're going to lose everything if we

00:38:38.900 don't stop this i think the colorado governor who is in one of the last few truly 50 50 purple states

00:38:45.100 left in the country i think he is because of the demographics he is confronted with is forced to

00:38:51.600 accept a certain level of reality that democrats in places like san francisco and los angeles and a lot

00:38:57.620 of other places usually aren't now even in los angeles as you mentioned there was such so much pushback

00:39:03.420 particularly amongst the minority communities against you have to vaccinate kids to put them to school

00:39:08.400 that they put this off to the next school year uh which as you pointed out it's just laughable this

00:39:14.060 is such an emergency that we just won't we won't go there for 10 more months that just goes to show

00:39:19.060 you this is all political calculation markers are being set ground is being taken and and stakes are

00:39:26.140 being planted in in what your new normal will look like what is the new precedent that you will permit

00:39:31.720 and you will allow you are watching a hyper balkanization the country is not politically polarized it is

00:39:37.300 balkanized this is an american yugoslavia all right we have completely opposite notions of culture and

00:39:43.820 reality and truth not just political differences uh that that that then diagram of right and left has

00:39:50.480 been utterly and undeniably destroyed you've you've got famous people you know now uh famous chefs

00:39:57.360 celebrities elon musk moving their operations out of california and to places like your home state of texas

00:40:03.380 because they may be to the left of us but they still believe in a little thing called reality

00:40:08.400 okay and and what you're watching is that there is a spirit of the age that has overtaken much of the

00:40:15.220 american left not all of it which is why we're seeing people like bill maher is literally bill maher

00:40:20.240 is doing the kinds of shows i've done with republicans for many years basically you know come now let us

00:40:25.320 reason together you know you're going to get creamed if you do this right okay he's trying to do that now

00:40:30.220 to his party okay and so you have people like bill maher andrew sullivan elon musk dave chapelle

00:40:37.060 these are these are you know these are not people wearing uh team ally and team steve but from a

00:40:42.200 worldview standpoint but but they don't believe in completely abandoning reality either and they're

00:40:47.380 attempting to wrestle with the spirit of the age that has overtaken much of their party and and that

00:40:53.600 internal dialectic uh and conflict will continue until we have an election and what i think will

00:41:00.760 will occur here is is is more and more this year you will see more and more red states and red areas

00:41:06.780 completely break away from this uh or mean next year and then you'll have an election and the democrats

00:41:12.120 will get annihilated it will be just to some extent to what extent the annihilation occurs and i think

00:41:17.280 shortly thereafter in after that occurs uh in the in the in the first or second quarter of 2023 uh

00:41:24.640 three after this new congress is ushered in and new governors are ushered in i think you'll see much

00:41:29.860 of what i call covet stan pretend like none of this ever happened and just pivot away from this into

00:41:36.720 whatever their new talking point new crisis is uh and and just try to get off this train as much as

00:41:42.660 they possibly can but right now they're conflicted because much of their own base not all of it

00:41:47.880 you know not everybody who's a who's a branch covidian is a democrat but or not every democrat

00:41:53.400 is a branch covidian but everybody pretty much everybody who's a branch covidian is so so they're

00:41:57.780 they're internal fighting within their own within their own ecosystem when when they get annihilated

00:42:03.940 for that fight then you'll see team reality within their ranks just completely break free and move on with

00:42:08.920 their lives and then you'll see you know branch team branch covidian will have to just figure out

00:42:13.820 what the new uh emergency is what the new crisis is what the new climate change is and it'll go back

00:42:19.720 to uh sort of the the political reality we knew pre-covid that's what i believe will happen unless

00:42:27.020 what geert bosch who's an award-winning vaccinologist who's worked for the gates foundation uh unless what he

00:42:33.080 is trying to warn the world uh that that we are going to do if we keep trying to vaccinate into this

00:42:38.540 pandemic unless that occurs and pray that it does not okay i i keep i keep telling people in my

00:42:44.400 audience that is that that our vaccination attempts are make are creating the very super bug we were

00:42:50.280 told at the beginning covid was going to be you know i brought that up i am so not an epidemiologist

00:42:55.940 and i don't pretend to be an epidemiologist i'm like you i you know i look at the data i talk to

00:42:59.780 people who are smarter than me who are epidemiologists and i wondered aloud you know in the beginning of

00:43:05.300 this could it be that vaccination is actually helping to create the new variants as these as

00:43:11.960 the virus is looking for a suitable host that just kind of seems logical to me based on what we know

00:43:17.020 about epidemics and of course i was told that that is some kind of anti-vax conspiracy you're so stupid

00:43:22.920 you don't understand how science works but no one was ever able to explain to me how that is not at

00:43:28.960 least a possibility um they just gave you a talking point yes of course and so yeah just hearing you

00:43:36.040 say that i'm like yeah i think a lot of people were wondering that who don't even have the expertise

00:43:39.880 that he does i mean there's there's a clip going around your audience has probably seen they may not

00:43:43.540 know they may be sharing it and not realize that it's from last year it's a clip of fauci talking to

00:43:48.760 mark zuckerberg on a zoom call about this very phenomenon and then people share it thinking that this

00:43:54.540 happened recently and they find out it was last year and they think oh so it's not relevant it's

00:43:58.560 the opposite it's actually more relevant meaning before that all that before the billions of dollars

00:44:05.300 from operation warp speed kicked in before the incentive the incessant assault on of commercials

00:44:11.600 you see in every break do we advertise anything else in america other than these vaccines when you

00:44:16.700 watch a commercial okay that before all of that all of that money machine and that printing came in

00:44:22.000 the big tech censorship and everything else you know if i would have said six months ago on social

00:44:26.660 media that the early data the early data trend i show i see shows waning efficacy will be talking

00:44:33.040 not just about third shots but fourth shots by the end of this year i'd have been banned from every

00:44:37.600 single dang platform in america of significance and yet here we are see it's actually more significant

00:44:43.540 that fauci said all this last year before this the big tech fascism censorship and big and we're now

00:44:50.000 the united states of pfizer began and every product they put out has a they report has a hundred percent

00:44:54.960 efficacy and literally every dang media outlet in america just rips and reads their press releases

00:45:00.060 without any skepticism or scrutiny as if you know uh so say we all see that's when he was telling you the

00:45:06.660 truth all right before we were all bought weighed measured and found wanting it's actually more relevant

00:45:12.460 that he said this before the vaccines hit why isn't he saying that now what is the benign rational

00:45:18.660 explanation for why we are going to see more deaths this year than last what is it there were no

00:45:25.200 vaccines last year there were no early treatment protocols last year things like rendemsivir which

00:45:30.980 doesn't work by the way and it's actually actively harmful yes it is it causes more renal failure than

00:45:37.180 it than it actually causes success or or the monoclonal antibodies they were originally a brand name

00:45:42.500 called regeneron there's other versions of it now these things weren't even approved until november of last

00:45:47.720 year so we didn't have any of these approved treatments we didn't have people like pierre cory

00:45:52.520 that you had on your show a couple of months ago and dr peter mccullough forming their own co-ops of

00:45:57.640 health care to do ivermectin and early treatment protocols none of this existed last year ali none of

00:46:03.420 it did no early treatment protocols no independent health care co-ops to provide them when the mainstream

00:46:08.840 health care system didn't want to and no no attempts at vaccination and yet we're going to see

00:46:14.160 far more deaths and mortality this year than last there is no benign innocent explanation for that

00:46:20.540 all the potential answers to that are bad which is why we better hope that when omicron shows itself

00:46:27.140 as the revealer and control group that i talked about that it shows itself as an attenuating virus

00:46:32.920 and it doesn't go the way of delta if we see a second consecutive strain do what delta did that is a very

00:46:39.640 bad sign and and we need to start having a serious conversation about ending mass vaccinations going

00:46:46.200 back to square one this is why i keep reasserting natural immunity because the herd immunity is the

00:46:52.460 point of a vaccination program the point of a vaccination program is to coincide with natural

00:46:57.280 immunity to get us to herd immunity as fast as we can with the least amount of of health care loss

00:47:02.700 and loss of life that's the point yet now they're telling us that herd immunity isn't possible

00:47:07.180 well if it's not possible then what is then what is the point of your vaccination program

00:47:11.040 what are we actually doing here if omicron does not attenuate and it grows stronger as delta

00:47:16.780 we need to cease mass vaccinations we need to go back to square one and focus our vaccination efforts

00:47:22.920 on vulnerable populations and reassert natural immunity and do this the way we have done this

00:47:28.780 prior to covid since the late eight the late 1800s when we first started or the late 1700s when vaccines

00:47:35.200 began and go back to herd immunity which is how we sustained ourselves as a species with outbreaks

00:47:40.760 for thousands of years before we even had vaccines i can hope against hope that that will happen it's

00:47:48.180 hard to believe with all of the corruption and the manipulation and the dishonesty uh that goes on

00:47:54.160 in our media class and in our pharmaceutical class that something like that that that kind of reversal

00:47:59.920 could happen but we can hope and we can pray um there's more that i want to talk to you about

00:48:04.840 there but i want to talk to you lastly since we've got to close about the filming of your book that is now

00:48:12.860 being filmed as a movie in oklahoma the nefarious a nefarious plot um what's going on there there's been

00:48:19.800 some kind of debacle in the filming process well if you if you know anything about films uh from even the

00:48:26.360 mainstream back in the day that horror films that presented evil realistically and biblically uh like

00:48:32.480 the exorcist or the omen uh from when i was a little kid i mean the the stories of the the the

00:48:38.640 problems that they had making these films plane crashes disasters bombings uh everything was done

00:48:44.980 to stop these films almost as if an entity or a force somewhere didn't want a mainstream audience

00:48:51.460 to become aware of its presence and fully exposed to it because then they might get scared straight

00:48:56.740 but we're attempting to do that with a nefarious plot it's a book about a demonic takeover of america

00:49:02.240 and and we are adapting it to a film right now in oklahoma with the team that did unplanned uh that was

00:49:08.880 the very successful award-winning pro-life film from 2019 this is their their next movie and they come

00:49:14.420 out of mainstream hollywood and they've always wanted to do sort of an omen exorcist but a pg-13 version

00:49:20.640 of those classic horror films that show mainstream america real evil to be afraid of okay uh and and

00:49:28.580 teach and maybe kind of wreck your soul a little bit there's one of the one of the greatest growths

00:49:33.420 of in catholic confirmations in the 20th century actually came after viewing the exorcist when that

00:49:39.620 movie came out in 1973 so so they want they kind of want to emulate that model so of course though

00:49:45.640 when you go down that road of shining that light in the darkness the darkness does not like that so

00:49:49.640 we've had to face an ad hoc attempt to unionize on our state or on our set in a right to work state

00:49:55.860 strikes in a right to work state um with a not with a union that doesn't even have a local in the state

00:50:01.860 calling a union that doesn't have a local in the straight in the state calling strikes from new york

00:50:07.080 and austin texas uh in a right to work state so i had to i guess we'll say uh encourage uh the re the

00:50:15.420 the republican majority in oklahoma to uphold their right to work law uh over the last week as i was

00:50:21.280 down there we actually just had the the a guy who was basically a spy for the union to infiltrate our

00:50:27.680 production we found out that he had run off with a couple of our props so we had to go back at him

00:50:32.680 and threaten him with a police report unless he returned them i mean it's just our directors both got

00:50:39.240 coveted so seriously in august when we were supposed to film they were hospitalized for weeks

00:50:43.680 so we're kind of making our own the making of nefarious video we're building one heck of a

00:50:48.820 testimony to get this movie made right now sounds like there uh is a lot of perhaps even spiritual

00:50:55.320 opposition to sure i think a lot of it is spiritual opposition yes well um i'm excited for the completion

00:51:02.480 of this project i am sure that it will be completed and that it will be awesome when it is um all right

00:51:09.120 that's all we have time for today uh remind everyone where they can listen to your show

00:51:13.900 uh just look for it on itunes uh stitcher google play amazon uh you can go to blaze tv.com slash dace

00:51:22.700 if you want to watch it i don't talk about that place that censors me all the time so if you want to

00:51:26.840 get free clips of the show go to rumble.com slash steveday show and there is still time to get a copy of

00:51:33.640 the new book if you want to uh do what you believe or you won't be free to believe it much longer

00:51:37.660 if you want to get one to somebody or yourself before christmas yeah great christmas present also

00:51:42.420 a great gift for maybe your small group as well this sounds like a a good book to talk through

00:51:48.120 with people in your church all right thank you so much steve for coming on you bet merry christmas

00:51:52.920 everybody thank you ali okay guys so tomorrow i will be uh talking about santa claus and how i think

00:52:02.620 that we as christian parents should approach santa claus it'll also be kind of a theological episode just

00:52:07.580 getting us ready for christmas and getting our minds right and reminding us about what christmas is and

00:52:15.320 what it's about and what the true message of christmas should be and so we will be covering

00:52:21.740 that tomorrow and then just as a reminder for the next two weeks only two new episodes will come out

00:52:27.840 one tuesday one thursday next week will be christmas themed episodes the next week after that i'll be having

00:52:32.840 two very interesting conversations with two very brilliant people who are going to teach us a lot

00:52:37.700 the week after that the first week of january we will have no new episodes come out so my team and

00:52:41.840 i are going to take about three weeks off to uh rest and refresh spend time with our families and enjoy

00:52:48.160 the holidays i encourage you to do the same please leave a five-star review on apple podcast if you

00:52:53.720 love this podcast that would mean a lot to us thank you guys so much thank you guys for

00:52:57.620 listening uh merry christmas and i'll be saying merry christmas tomorrow too but i've already recorded

00:53:04.240 that episode so i feel like as i'm recording this i have to tell you merry christmas and i'm kind of

00:53:08.600 saying goodbye all right i will see you guys back here tomorrow

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 15, 2021

Ep 539 ｜ The Rise of the Metaverse Church & the Fall of COVID ｜ Guest： Steve Deace

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