Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 546 ｜ When They Try to Shut You Up, Double Down ｜ Guest： Andrew Klavan

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00:00:38.420 clavin he is the host of the andrew clavin show at the daily wire and he is a prolific author he

00:00:44.180 is such an interesting insightful thinker and he is going to give us his commentary his analysis

00:00:52.520 about quite a few things that are going on one thing that we are going to talk about is that the

00:00:57.400 justice department under joe biden just announced that they are going to start a launch a domestic

00:01:03.220 terrorism department in the justice department and the reason why this is a little concerning

00:01:12.540 is because this is the same justice department that basically agreed with this idea that parents who

00:01:18.180 complain at school board meetings are domestic terrorists and of course they are doing this in

00:01:23.000 light of january 6th that we um the day that we have heard from people like kamala harris is the day

00:01:30.560 that will live in infamy right along with pearl harbor and 9 11 wow we are going to get andrew clavin's

00:01:37.780 insight on all of that um and then we're going to talk about several other things that are going on

00:01:42.280 you're really really going to enjoy this conversation so without further ado here is our

00:01:47.560 friends andrew clavin andrew thank you so much for joining us uh first i want to get your reaction

00:01:56.180 to a headline that i just saw on twitter it's an ap headline that says that the justice department is

00:02:03.640 creating a unit focused on domestic terrorism this is seemingly something that they're um that

00:02:10.600 they're doing to commemorate the anniversary of january 6th the worst day in american history at

00:02:17.460 least since 9 11 if not worse than that day um tell me your reaction to this maybe your reaction

00:02:23.880 to also some of the uh headlines surrounding january 6th this year and where you think this is headed

00:02:30.820 well i mean in one sense it would be hilarious if it weren't frightening another sense frightening if it

00:02:37.400 weren't hilarious uh you know january 6th i i said from the beginning i think it was a bad thing i think

00:02:43.460 trump handled it badly uh and i'm not making any excuses for him he should have gotten off his butt and 0.81

00:02:49.340 got out there and stopped it uh right away you don't overturn an election without proof that there is

00:02:55.260 that the election has been stolen however however the people who incited the george floyd riots george

00:03:02.260 floyd a career criminal who probably died of a fentanyl overdose whether or not the policing in

00:03:07.840 that case was good or bad it was bad but still this to elevate this career criminal and make it seem as

00:03:14.180 if that were an example of the uh countrywide racism in police forces which is nonsense to incite riots

00:03:22.580 to stand by while those riots took place to then go on the news and tell us that the riots were mostly

00:03:28.220 peaceful those riots caused 20 times more damage more violence uh and more lasting uh um damage to

00:03:36.480 the society than january 6th a bunch of clowns who got over their skis a little bit uh in the middle of

00:03:43.660 a protest for them to talk about january 6th as if it were a unique example of political violence after

00:03:51.620 having caused and covered up the political violence of the summer of blm riots is obscene and to use

00:03:59.120 that to try and um identify those of us who disagree with them basically the entire republican party or

00:04:05.460 those who show up at school board meetings in defense of their children's education to identify

00:04:10.380 them as terrorists and to use the force of the law against them is really really dangerous i mean i'm not

00:04:16.100 the first person to understand that almost everything the left charges the right with is what

00:04:21.520 they do uh they for four years we heard about what an authoritarian trump is uh and now they've got the

00:04:27.820 fbi investigating parents uh who show up at school board meetings to protest bad teaching and basically

00:04:34.140 people who think that the election was rigged you know which which listen the election may or may not

00:04:39.420 have been stolen but it was certainly rigged i mean it's rigged when you uh knock the hunter biden news

00:04:44.440 off all social media when you ban discussing what the election was rigged or not uh so you know

00:04:49.940 this is really dangerous stuff the only thing about it is i don't think it's going to sell

00:04:55.300 and that's the only reason i'm not really frightened by it the american people remain a very uh sensible

00:05:03.360 and common sense people despite what you see about the people on social media uh even most democrats

00:05:10.340 i'm talking about like 67 of democrats feel that the january 6 riot was a protest that got out of

00:05:16.600 control uh i think 85 percent of republicans i'm talking off the top of my head but it's something like

00:05:21.360 that 85 percent of republicans feel it was a protest that got out of control i think that's accurate

00:05:25.460 uh and i think the attempt to turn all people who stand against their socialist plans into terrorists

00:05:32.560 is obscene there's so much in in what you just said that i want to unpack one thing that

00:05:38.880 you said that we've talked about a lot is the projection that we often see from the left

00:05:44.260 obviously not the entirety of the left but at least the activist left the political left that we see

00:05:50.100 on twitter and in congress calling trump and everyone who supports trump in particular white

00:05:57.040 evangelical christians of course i check those those boxes and when i see articles saying that

00:06:02.920 january 6th is the terrorism of white evangelical christians and the evangelical fascist christian

00:06:11.220 nationalist state is imminent as they have been saying for the past 50 years in intelligentsia by

00:06:16.840 the way um i just have i have to stop for a second and consider how it is possible for someone to live in a

00:06:25.120 world where they think that is reality when all of the threats of authoritarianism at least right now

00:06:30.520 are coming from the left when all of the institutions in the united states and maybe globally are dominated

00:06:36.700 by left-wing ideology when you see the countries that look more like police states right now because of

00:06:43.920 uh you know covet restrictions places like canada and australia that are limiting things like free

00:06:49.620 speech the freedom to work and provide for your family freedom of uh freedom of worship these are not

00:06:56.420 right-wing conservative nations and governments that are limiting these things or conservative

00:07:01.600 institutions and businesses that are limiting freedom of expression these are all left-wing

00:07:06.620 institutions the right are not the people trying to limit someone's freedom to provide for their

00:07:13.120 family based on their medical decisions that is a decidedly uh left-wing action that is currently being

00:07:20.300 taken the authoritarian call is coming from inside the house when it comes to the left

00:07:26.380 yes yes yes i i agree with you there were a bunch of fools that did a lot of foolish and in some

00:07:31.900 cases violent things on january 6th i feel no affiliation or need to justify those people but when we're

00:07:37.640 talking about institutional power and the actual ability to be able to um enact any kind of tyranny

00:07:46.300 you are looking at an exclusively left-wing authority um that allows that allows the institutions of the

00:07:56.160 people in power to be able to limit people's freedoms don't you think don't you think that this is all

00:08:02.380 just exclusively projection from the left who's complaining about christian nationalism fascism

00:08:08.160 tyranny coming from the right it's a trick you can pull when you own the media which essentially they do

00:08:13.680 if you get a hundred people together who espouse a philosophy 10 of those people are going to be

00:08:19.500 extremists where are our extremists our extremists are on the comment sections of our websites they're on

00:08:24.480 twitter making a lot of noise you know they they show up whenever they call for a meeting of some

00:08:29.160 you know white supremacist hyper right-wing clowns 10 people show up i mean they and even they can't

00:08:35.480 even gather a quorum uh to get a good uh you know hate rally going however where are the left's

00:08:41.800 extremists they're in congress right now they're in the white house oddly enough because biden is just

00:08:46.360 a make-believe uh leftist but that's still he's doing that they they are in the academy

00:08:51.480 they're on television they're in uh the businesses they're running businesses the businesses have

00:08:56.580 become woke our corporations have become woke they're knocking people off the biggest platforms

00:09:01.340 in the world twitter facebook google is woke so that's where their radicals are and our radicals

00:09:07.920 are basically expelled from the center of the movement so what they do is they use their cameras

00:09:14.120 to focus on those few radicals that we have that most of us don't even like or want to be part of

00:09:19.220 uh and and then they sort of say to us well we're not radicals the radicals are over there and

00:09:24.100 it's it is insane because you know when you have a group that calls itself the resistance that agrees

00:09:30.320 with universities that agrees with businesses you know that agrees with uh hollywood what are they

00:09:36.760 resisting they're resisting the people and that is the real problem that we have is the notion that

00:09:41.940 the individual man and woman has a right to his own life to his own thoughts to his own ideas to his

00:09:48.220 own worship that's what we're defending and you know what the funny thing about that is that is

00:09:52.780 the only radical idea in political history there's only one new idea in political history and that's

00:09:57.120 the idea that the individual has a right to his own life that has never existed before it developed over

00:10:03.660 long years of warfare and bloodshed and stupidity and bigotry out of that foment uh of european madness 0.95

00:10:12.220 came this incredibly great idea that's the idea they're at war with and all of their um panic their

00:10:19.880 climate panic their race panic uh all of that panic is just directed toward getting rid of that radical

00:10:26.980 idea the idea that each person goes his own way and the thing is as edmund burke pointed out when you

00:10:32.960 allow people to be free some bad things are going to happen and he said it's worth it to have those bad

00:10:38.680 things happen and keep the freedom than it is to have a perfect state dominated from on high and that's

00:10:44.640 that is how that is what they argue against because you're going to get some clown who goes on youtube and

00:10:50.500 says ugly things in the name of conservatism because you're going to get that all conservatives should

00:10:56.020 now be tarred with the same brush whereas on their side they will not let you say what you're not

00:11:02.440 supposed to say and yet ali where is the racism coming from i mean i'm like you i'm a i'm a follower

00:11:08.980 of jesus christ there is no room for racism in my philosophy there is no room for racism in love your

00:11:14.160 neighbor there's no room for for racism in man and woman was created in god's image that erases all 0.99

00:11:20.020 possibility of of uh exceeding to racism but where is the racism who talks about the whiteness who talks

00:11:27.820 about you know systemic racism that means we have to segregate black people out of colleges and have

00:11:33.920 them have graduation ceremonies all to themselves who talks about that stuff it's all on the left all

00:11:39.480 of it and and i think it they have befouled themselves and they've befouled the country and now the question

00:11:45.980 is can we marshal a mainstream version of our ideology that will recall the american people to themselves

00:11:56.860 into their founding documents into their founding principles because it all comes down to politics

00:12:01.000 in the end it's can we win uh in a fair contest and i think we're going to find out in a couple of months

00:12:07.480 there are a lot of people and this is what i kind of worry about because

00:12:14.960 we've been talking we as in conservatives have been talking about how uh democrats are hurting their

00:12:22.260 chances for 2022 with all of the panic that you just described most people don't even buy into a lot of the panic

00:12:29.140 even a progressive who cares about the climate and who thinks white supremacy is some big threat in the united

00:12:34.920 states i really don't think they're buying a lot of what the democrats in power are trying to sell with the

00:12:42.020 whole our democracy is on the brink and it's because of these uh conservatives that really have no

00:12:48.220 institutional power i just don't think most people feel that which is why in my opinion they're trying

00:12:53.620 to push this radical voting legislation to take a lot of power away from the states um so that they can

00:12:59.820 ensure um that they win elections a lot of conservatives though are saying because they just didn't have

00:13:07.040 faith in the last election that it doesn't matter that the midterms don't matter that what's the point

00:13:13.200 of voting what's the point of elections when you know things are going to be rigged you mentioned the

00:13:18.080 difference between rigged and stolen and i think that i think that's a very important distinction

00:13:22.620 there was a big time magazine article basically saying that the election was rigged and what is

00:13:27.460 meant by that is that they were all of these um uh people organizations who are very influential who

00:13:33.320 controlled the flow of information to ensure that there was a very low probability of trump winning

00:13:39.260 that is an accepted acknowledged fact that's not a conspiracy theory so whether or not a conservative

00:13:44.980 thinks that it was rigged or whether you know they think it was stolen there's a lot of people that

00:13:49.320 don't have trust in the election process so i guess my question is for you like what would be your

00:13:55.440 message to conservatives who they have the same hope that you do that we um can convince people of the

00:14:01.960 winning message of individualism and go back to you know the vision of the founders and all of that stuff

00:14:07.980 um but they mistrust our our process in general and they think that it is hopeless to try to get

00:14:15.640 involved to try to even win elections and they just kind of want to sit on their hands as a lot of

00:14:20.420 people in georgia did with the senate elections last year um what's i guess what's your message to

00:14:25.500 them should they have any hope should they still try to get involved if they think it's all just going

00:14:29.260 to be rigged from here on out absolutely i'm in virginia and we just took back the state uh because a

00:14:35.420 guy ran a campaign geared toward the state without dissing uh the the trump people but also including

00:14:42.580 other people uh from who might be more toward the center the big question that the right has to ask

00:14:47.840 itself and it really does have to ask itself this and it has to ask it in public and it has to ask it

00:14:52.060 of its loudest uh most belligerent members do we believe the american experiment still exists i very

00:14:59.720 strongly do i very strongly believe that the american systems are are are strong uh they're vital

00:15:05.900 they can still work if that's true then we have to acknowledge certain things about the american

00:15:11.680 system the american system involves talking to the other side it involves compromise it involves

00:15:17.120 argumentation it involves making arguments it does not involve charging into you know the capital and

00:15:23.060 and shouting at people it involves bringing proof before uh courts it believes it uh involves in

00:15:28.960 obeying the law uh and changing the law uh by by legal means that is the american system that is the

00:15:36.100 system we were given that is the constitution the the problem with the left is they keep talking about

00:15:41.020 the constitution but every time they lose they want to change it so you know they they want to

00:15:46.720 pack the supreme court when they lose the majority they want to uh censor free speech when they lose

00:15:53.460 the argument they they just want to you know they want to get rid of the electoral college when they

00:15:57.240 lose an election but but what i what i'm saying what i think we should be saying is no this system

00:16:02.560 this system has worked for a long time longer than any constitutional republican history uh and there's no

00:16:08.540 reason it can't continue if we basically uh subscribe to what it is what we can't have was we can't have

00:16:14.640 a battle where one side is using a machine gun and the other side is you know boxing to the marcus

00:16:19.880 of queensberry rules that's why i was not uh that's why i voted for trump twice i i thought he was a

00:16:25.720 loud mouth but i thought yes we have to have something we have to have a bull who goes into the china shop

00:16:30.140 and breaks the piety so we can fight back against these people because they will do anything to win

00:16:35.580 you know the the thing that really turned a corner for me was the uh me too movement uh and especially as it

00:16:44.460 applied to the supreme to brett kavanaugh brett kavanaugh was accused by a woman who could not

00:16:50.800 even prove that she had ever met brett kavanaugh that that he had done something untoward in his

00:16:56.780 teenage years and all of us all of us have done things that are untoward our teenage years it should

00:17:02.220 not basically keep you off the supreme court i'm sorry it just shouldn't i think what what he was

00:17:06.160 accused of if they could have proved it would have been bad but i still don't think it should have

00:17:09.980 kept him off the supreme court joe biden was accused of throwing a woman up against the wall

00:17:15.240 in his adulthood and penetrating her with his fingers now when brett kavanaugh when the charges

00:17:20.940 were made against brett kavanaugh it was a story that went on and on and on women on the left were 0.94

00:17:26.580 writing editorials that essentially said well i was molested so therefore brett kavanaugh is guilty

00:17:30.900 i mean insane stuff but it was on in big columns on the new york and it worked on people that kind of

00:17:38.080 that kind of emotional argumentation especially for women can make you feel like well if i don't

00:17:43.700 oppose this nomination then i am basically condoning the abuse that happened to another woman it's crazy

00:17:50.000 so uh joe biden is accused of a much worse crime by somebody who definitely knew him and who reported

00:17:58.060 the crime at the time 20 days of silence after which the new york times runs a single column inside

00:18:03.340 page on easter sunday saying that there's nothing to this and when dean beckay was asked about it the

00:18:08.700 editor in the new york times he said well kavanaugh was up for a an important position on the supreme

00:18:13.440 court joe biden was only running for president so we didn't we didn't cover that story so it was all

00:18:18.180 a lie it was all a lot the racism the systemic racism all a lot it's it's just a lot and so we have

00:18:25.180 to stop fighting as if uh they have anything to say as if you know their accusations have to be

00:18:31.360 answered ted cruz learned this the other day on january 6th and i love ted cruz i think ted cruz

00:18:37.280 has been a fighter for freedom i think he's a legitimately good senator but when you come out

00:18:40.780 and say well it was a terrorist attack no it wasn't a terrorist attack and we don't have to give them

00:18:44.700 anything uh they are liars uh they're manipulators they want nothing but power so we do have to fight

00:18:50.620 back um at a very powerful level but but we have to fight back with faith in the american system

00:18:57.560 in virginia we won an election uh that was that basically we stole we took a blue state away from

00:19:04.840 them we didn't steal it we elected a blue state away from uh and we can do that again in a lot of

00:19:10.080 other states there's no reason to think we can't we have to stop this steal from within the federal

00:19:15.200 government as they try to seize control over our election laws but i don't think they're going to

00:19:19.280 get away with it and and i think we should definitely have faith in the system and show up

00:19:24.020 if you're just a big mouth on twitter pounding your fist into your palm but you don't show up to

00:19:29.300 vote you're nothing you're nothing but you're not part of the system at all yeah and you know what

00:19:34.300 maybe maybe there is a reason for some people in some places to not have faith in their election

00:19:40.680 process maybe there are some corrupt places like you said the possibility is there but you are

00:19:45.280 guaranteeing a loss if you don't show up maybe you'll show up and you'll still lose maybe the system

00:19:50.060 will be rigged but you're definitely going to lose we're definitely going to lose um if you don't

00:19:55.340 show up one thing that i've noticed you talk about not even giving an inch and man when you talked about

00:20:00.360 how things changed for you during the kavanaugh saga me too like and no pun intended me too um that

00:20:07.380 is that is exactly when it happened to me that oh we're not on we're not playing by the same rules

00:20:13.120 like this is not this is not a fair game this is not a fair debate and maybe it had been like that for a

00:20:17.960 while and i just didn't really recognize it but it was during the kavanaugh saga and i remember

00:20:23.520 actually vividly being on an airplane and trying to constantly refresh my page to watch the testimonies

00:20:29.940 between ford and kavanaugh and when i watched i watched her testimony it was emotional it might

00:20:34.340 have been compelling but when i watched him and i realized what was happening it just i don't know

00:20:40.120 what happened inside me i just said okay this is this is different this is worse this is more wicked

00:20:46.480 and more cruel than i thought it was and it changed permanently how i thought about our political

00:20:52.700 dialogue you're absolutely right we can't give it an inch and when you talk about language i really

00:20:57.840 liked head crews to really respect him but when he said this is um you know this was an act of

00:21:03.840 terrorism well then you have the justice department creating a unit focused on domestic terrorism

00:21:08.920 you're giving into their premises i think it's the same thing when conservatives say well you know

00:21:14.220 it's absurd to say that a man can become a woman but i am going to basically use the same language

00:21:20.300 as the left when it comes to people who identify as transgender it's only ever the right that is 0.99

00:21:27.440 giving into the language games that is giving into the rhetorical plays that is compromising when it

00:21:32.700 comes to that stuff um it's never the left the left is never giving a little bit uh even you know

00:21:39.660 an inch to the right and i think that is how we slowly drift to the left because it's always the

00:21:46.060 right that's compromising just a little bit that's right and that and that is a function of the media

00:21:50.760 i mean the right is like an abused child uh they come out and they speak the truth and for three days

00:21:56.920 every media outlet calls them racist bigoted whatever whatever it is they said they twist it they make

00:22:02.060 it sound ugly and so politicians who are cowards and who are in washington dc and surrounded by this

00:22:08.860 media bubble they think that that's what the people think they think that they are hearing the

00:22:13.360 response of the people and they get cowed and they start to make gestures toward uh the left and that

00:22:18.500 you're absolutely right that is how you get um you know what used to be called the greenhouse effect

00:22:23.440 because linda greenhouse the liberal reporter on the supreme court would have this effect where she 1.00

00:22:28.440 would move the supreme court to the left over time because they were cowed by the media you know

00:22:32.460 there's a wonderful book by c.s lewis called that hideous strength which is a novel about a satanic

00:22:37.720 takeover of england and the satanists have an organization and the organization is called nice

00:22:42.540 and the left is very good they have organizations called black lives matter uh that have cost thousands

00:22:48.940 of black lives by debilitating the police uh they have are you know they have things that they call 0.93

00:22:54.620 tolerance which are based on shutting down uh conversation that the right has got to learn this game

00:23:01.640 i'm talking about politics because you and i know it a lot of people on the on the right in the media

00:23:06.360 know it but the the left right wing politicians have got to learn to play this game ron de santos

00:23:11.460 knows how to do it the first thing you do is you attack the narrative you do not say you do not

00:23:16.240 respond you know i've heard guys actually ask do black lives matter the response to that is black

00:23:20.860 lives matter is a maoist terrorist organization that has cost more black lives than anybody else i 0.84

00:23:25.900 don't care what you call it you know it's such a stupid question it's such a violently corrupt

00:23:31.400 question we have to learn how to deal with that media and how to be bold because the people know

00:23:36.160 this is the thing you have to have faith that a majority of the people know they are being gained

00:23:41.700 nobody watches cnn unless he's running for a plane you know nobody watches that that network

00:23:47.520 even on january 6th fox news outbeat the other uh news outlets in its coverage of january 6th so

00:23:55.320 people are being gained people know they're being fooled and conservative politicians i'm speaking

00:23:59.880 specifically about politicians because they're you know a cowardly lot by nature they have got to

00:24:05.520 learn that the media is not the people and there is now this new media namely us they can get around

00:24:11.680 that it was big that big media to get the word out it can be done uh and it will be done if people

00:24:17.360 are bold and speak the truth again ron de santos really does it well and i think a lot of people

00:24:21.740 should pay attention to him trump trump had the instinct and he had the guts and it was very impressive

00:24:27.760 but he never had was articulate enough and he was never civilized enough uh to make it a kind of

00:24:32.940 mainstream thing but there are politicians coming up who can't and i think this is particularly true

00:24:39.220 when it comes to covid you talked about the right kind of being an abused child they come out and they

00:24:45.120 say the truth and then they're called not just bigots but also conspiracy theorists i mean this has been

00:24:51.040 true from the very beginning it's hard for me to even think of a theory that was put forward by

00:24:57.620 the right or um not even just a theory but an accusation especially by people like uh ran paul

00:25:04.380 who have talked about the origins of this virus who have talked about some of the corruption going on

00:25:10.040 in state governments and the hospital when we're talking about the efficacy of the vaccine all of

00:25:15.520 these things that were uh said over the past couple of years by conservatives or at least by heterodox

00:25:22.020 people who were all castigated for saying it some of them were deplatformed that means their livelihood

00:25:28.240 was at least diminished by saying these things that are now coming out to if not true they are viable

00:25:36.460 theories cnn one headline that i saw the other day was oh yeah like a woman's menstrual cycle could be 0.95

00:25:42.600 affected by the shot just a few months ago i was told that that is a wild conspiracy that biologically

00:25:48.840 scientifically that is just impossible when you look at the science of these vaccines and now

00:25:53.360 they're coming out and saying well yeah that's a possibility but don't worry about it so it always

00:25:57.440 shifts that's what they do with every single narrative and they'll never apologize but what i'm

00:26:02.820 seeing is a lot of conservatives people just in general self-censoring not just when it comes to this

00:26:08.580 but when it comes to other things because they don't want to be kicked off social media which i do

00:26:12.900 understand that but they also don't want to be disliked they don't want to be called a conspiracy

00:26:16.700 theorist they don't want to be lumped in with q anon especially when everyone on the right is kind

00:26:22.100 of lumped into this domestic terrorist uh you know category people who are concerned about their kids

00:26:28.340 curriculum going to school board meetings domestic terrorists and so you see people on the right just

00:26:33.200 kind of backing down they don't want to get arrested they don't want to get their kids taken away they

00:26:37.100 don't want to get deplatformed what's your message to those people who find themselves self-censoring

00:26:41.540 because of real fear of the threat of the government um you know trying to infringe upon

00:26:46.600 their rights because they've committed wrong think you know my message to those people is a very

00:26:51.940 uncomfortable message i have to tell you this um this this is a real we're really in a fight for

00:26:57.320 the country and it's it's happening hopefully and hopefully will continue to happen mostly peacefully

00:27:02.660 you know mostly we're not shooting at each other but we are doing things to one another that we should

00:27:06.700 not do silencing each other uh the platforming firing people canceling people and all this stuff

00:27:11.880 my message to people is that freedom requires courage and it requires courage from you it doesn't

00:27:17.280 require courage from heroes the other guy you know who might be in on the front line somewhere it

00:27:22.400 requires courage from you every single day and and this is a sad thing because i i grew up in america

00:27:28.800 that didn't require so much courage you know you were kind of free and people left you alone but

00:27:32.480 that's gone uh you know i have been fighting for a long time over the culture i've been telling

00:27:37.840 people that we have to change the culture and that means changing the movies uh that we make and

00:27:42.040 changing the novels people write and changing uh the the songs we sing and all this stuff and it

00:27:47.300 requires all these artists to come out and do things but the culture is not just the arts the

00:27:51.980 culture is the way you live now and the things you say and the things that your children see you do

00:27:57.480 and see you say and hear you say and that means that you have to risk things you have to risk getting

00:28:04.040 uh thrown off social media you have to risk getting canceled sometimes you even have to risk

00:28:08.440 your job now that doesn't mean you should be stupid that doesn't mean you should charge into the can you 0.53

00:28:13.460 know stick your head in the cannon's mouth and wait for them to blow it off it simply means that when

00:28:17.540 your company comes in and tells you uh that your whiteness is a problem you need to organize with the

00:28:23.280 other people in your company and come and say you know what no it's not my my white skin is no more

00:28:28.420 problem than my friend's black skin and and if i want that out of the company you've got to get that 0.97

00:28:33.340 out of the company it is not acceptable it is not acceptable to judge people by the color of their

00:28:38.000 skin no matter what that color is and so you know this is this is the moment that we were chosen to

00:28:44.440 fight you know nobody you know it's like they say they uh like gandalf tells you in the lord of the rings

00:28:49.280 nobody wants to be chosen for this moment but this is the moment that we were chosen to fight we're

00:28:53.960 not being asked uh we're not being asked to load our flint locks and charge out into the battlefield

00:28:58.220 and that kind of rhetoric kind of hides the fact that what we are being asked to do is is very

00:29:02.840 difficult it is to live our ordinary lives with faith courage and out loud to to say to say you know

00:29:09.860 yeah you know i don't i don't actually think that you can live a life without god and and actually

00:29:14.320 know the truth about things i don't actually think uh that you can uh tell other people what to think

00:29:20.200 and silence other people i think you're wrong to do that it doesn't matter but how right you think

00:29:25.540 you are how righteous you think you are if we don't start doing that and especially on this

00:29:30.080 transgender stuff which is an absolute atrocity against women this idea that women should essentially 1.00

00:29:35.880 be erased uh from social life actual women should be erased from social life because of a few 1.00

00:29:42.280 pretenders uh a few guys who have mental problems with their gender uh should be allowed to erase

00:29:48.160 half the human race uh from their existence to take away their athletic achievements to take away

00:29:55.500 their academic achievements to take away uh their unique experience of the world uh through uh physical

00:30:02.060 the physical creation of future generations that that's that's an obscenity and when people say it

00:30:08.820 and they threaten to knock you off or call you phobic or call you hateful you've got to just stand up and

00:30:13.440 do it because we cannot let our women it's just it's a country that doesn't respect its women is a 1.00

00:30:19.460 country that has lost its way entirely and if if we who are the basically the front lines of the west

00:30:25.300 don't say no our women are uniquely women and have unique rights as women and unique responsibilities

00:30:30.680 as women if we can't say that and say listen if you have a problem with your gender that's fine i don't

00:30:35.780 want to hurt you but i'm not going to accept that a man can put on a dress and then take away a woman's

00:30:41.540 athletic ability or take away her place in a school or take away her right to be treated like a lady

00:30:47.380 it's just it's just an obscenity and these are the kinds of things that it takes courage to say

00:30:52.560 but we've got to say i'm loud and proud and a lot

00:30:54.980 you can tell a lot about a country about how they treat um women and also children that's something 1.00

00:31:06.840 that i've learned over the past couple of years how much our society seems to really detest

00:31:11.460 children obviously go ahead go ahead no i've noticed that too i've noticed that for a long time

00:31:17.540 you know saying oh for the children the children they don't give a rat's patoot about children and

00:31:23.720 it's uh and and this the things that they're doing in our schools uh teaching them to hate themselves

00:31:30.360 for the color of their skin and then having newsmen go on the air and say no no no that's just teaching

00:31:36.200 history i'm 112 years old i was taught history of slavery when i was a little kid i was taught bad i was

00:31:43.860 taught that we did it and i was i just taught it was a stain on our country there's no problem

00:31:48.240 teaching the true history of america in this country but teaching people that they are somehow 0.51

00:31:53.460 essentially wrong because of the color of their skin that's a sin yeah you know as you're saying 1.00

00:31:58.480 that i'm realizing that this is actually consistent tactic by a lot of people who call themselves

00:32:03.040 progressives kind of collapsing two things so that you accept the bad with the good so teaching

00:32:11.280 history you collapse that with critical race theory supporting women you collapse that with 0.99

00:32:15.980 the support for abortion being inclusive you collapse that with accepting the idea that a man can become 0.86

00:32:21.680 a woman um obviously we knew that but just thinking about how they kind of they put the bad under the 1.00

00:32:30.420 under the good so that you have to accept the whole thing it's kind of like what you do with toddlers

00:32:36.180 you try to hide the vegetables and like the mac and cheese and so they'll take the whole thing

00:32:40.880 well that's kind of what progressives do for the culture they hide the bad under these really good

00:32:47.720 completely innocuous terms like black lives matter i guess it's just a form of propaganda that has

00:32:53.200 always existed and we have to be more discerning but like you said we have to be able to call it what

00:33:00.420 it is maybe it doesn't seem like a big thing to say hey a man can't become a woman or hey life inside

00:33:06.120 the womb matters or hey you know whatever controversial opinion that it is but shifting

00:33:11.760 that overton window back over saying what people on the left and in the mainstream are saying is

00:33:17.840 forbidden to say it matters it matters that is actually what can change the culture and i agree

00:33:25.780 with you all the absurdity that we see from people you know storming the capital and things like that

00:33:31.400 that's not going to be what changes things it's just not i still have faith that words that ideas

00:33:37.400 that courage that clarity can change people's minds and therefore change the culture i just still have

00:33:43.700 faith in that um last thing because you are changing the culture you've been a culture warrior for a long

00:33:49.760 time you talked about replacing bad ideas with good ideas by creating good creative content that's

00:33:56.000 something that you do very well and you recently uh wrote another book doing just that can you tell

00:34:02.460 us about that book and then it sounds like you've got another book coming down the pipeline too yeah no

00:34:07.800 you're very kind to mention i wrote this christmas mystery uh when christmas comes uh and it's still

00:34:14.580 listen it has gotten such great responses i think it's got close to 2 000 i haven't looked recently but

00:34:20.740 close to 2 000 five star reviews on amazon that's awesome and yeah and it's it even though christmas

00:34:27.920 has passed it is a very very good story and and listen i i think uh you know i i have loved being a

00:34:35.380 crime writer i've been a crime writer most of my life i've written movies i've written books uh but

00:34:39.440 this is a new thing you know the sequel is already in the works and um and a third book has just been

00:34:44.680 contracted so it's the beginning of a series uh and i'm really excited about it i'm really excited i mean

00:34:49.380 stuff has been happening in my life that it really has been gratifying i've got a book about um about

00:34:55.460 christianity and poetry uh coming out uh in april called the truth and beauty so i've got a lot of

00:35:01.740 stuff going on i i do feel i gotta tell you ali i do feel that i am waging this war a little bit

00:35:07.700 single-handedly it's not like there's no one else but it's just that i i just feel that a lot of people

00:35:12.420 don't haven't paid enough attention to the culture uh to create culture because great culture is not

00:35:18.380 going to be propaganda it is not going to be like rah rah for the republicans or rah rah for

00:35:23.300 conservatism it is simply going to be the story of what human beings are really like uh you know

00:35:28.560 conservative culture doesn't always look like conservative life it's sometimes more violent

00:35:32.460 more sexy um more uh deals more with dysfunction a conservative life is usually pretty functional

00:35:38.660 uh and non-violent and uh and and usually kind of faithful in its sexuality but stories are full of

00:35:45.120 all kinds of crazy stuff and that's how you learn about uh human nature and so i just try to write

00:35:50.260 books that are uh honest yeah great stories that are honest and and that uh is now become a radical

00:35:57.820 act you are definitely one of the few people that's creating culture to replace bad culture but i will

00:36:03.940 tell you something that my dad always says because sometimes i think you know all of us have the

00:36:08.600 tendency to feel like we're alone or are we doing enough there are so many things that we want to

00:36:12.380 respond to and do and fix and change my dad always reminds me that god can use very small things or

00:36:19.300 small efforts to do what he wants to do we are finite but he is infinite so he always reminds me

00:36:24.680 he just has fishes and loaves fishes and loaves and so god can take what seems very small and he can do

00:36:30.800 whatever he will with it and that's the comfort that i have so even if it seems like you are fighting

00:36:37.420 this battle single-handedly um god maximizes and he multiplies and i have faith that he will continue

00:36:43.780 to do that with the work that you do so thank you so much where can everyone um buy your books

00:36:49.000 yeah well their books are available wherever books are sold amazon i always you know i know people have

00:36:54.040 some problems with amazon but it's always nice to see the numbers go up on amazon because that's where

00:36:59.120 most books are sold so it is available there available barnes and noble and just about anywhere

00:37:03.400 books are sold great well thank you so much andrew for taking the time to come on thank you very much

00:37:08.980 it's always good to see you thank you

00:37:10.620 okay guys uh we will be back here tomorrow and let me know what you guys are interested in learning more

00:37:24.360 about if we um again i'm recording this in the morning maybe by the time this comes out the supreme

00:37:29.800 court will have a decision on the osha mandate if so we will talk about that tomorrow but there's lots

00:37:36.040 of other things that we could possibly talk about so please let me know what you are just hankering to

00:37:43.080 hear me comment on and discuss um until then have a wonderful evening and day see you guys back here tomorrow

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 11, 2022

Ep 546 ｜ When They Try to Shut You Up, Double Down ｜ Guest： Andrew Klavan

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