Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 549 ｜ Voter Suppression Propaganda, Islamist Terrorism & Muscular Conservatism ｜ Guest： Josh Hammer

00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable happy monday hope everyone had a wonderful weekend and that you're

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00:00:37.600 we haven't had on before but i've been following him and reading him for so long because he's so

00:00:41.600 brilliant his name is josh hammer he is a newsweek opinion editor he's a syndicated columnist he is a

00:00:48.480 fellow at the edmund burke foundation and he really is adding so much to conservatism right now with

00:00:54.600 his insight we're going to be talking about a few different things today we are going to be

00:00:58.420 talking about the hostage situation that occurred at a synagogue in texas over the weekend and how

00:01:04.900 the media is reacting to that and why it actually matters that the media doesn't tell the truth

00:01:09.480 about the actual statistical threats that are posed against the jewish community in the united states

00:01:17.520 we are also going to be talking about this big piece of voting legislation that you are hearing about

00:01:22.660 so much joe biden our president was in georgia last week and basically said that if you do not

00:01:30.260 support this voting legislation then you are like a segregationist you are like a supporter of jim crow 0.88

00:01:36.060 you are racist and a white supremacist of course that's not very surprising that's what democrats 0.99

00:01:42.160 like to do if you don't support them it is because you are an evil vile person not because you have 1.00

00:01:47.780 any legitimate reason to disagree but we don't care what they have to say the fact of the matter is is

00:01:53.400 that there are many legitimate reasons to take issue with this voting legislation that they are trying

00:02:00.640 to push through the senate by getting rid of the filibuster probably not going to happen but we'll talk

00:02:05.540 about what's actually in this bill and is democracy really at stake because of some of the voting laws

00:02:12.220 that have been passed in places like texas and georgia you can probably guess my answer but we will

00:02:17.520 explain that and then we'll also hear from josh like what should a winning gop a republican party

00:02:24.500 really look like what kind of conservatism should uh republican candidates and elected officials really

00:02:32.520 be pushing is it economic policy is it culture war issues uh what should that look like we have

00:02:40.580 some uncomfortable i would say politically incorrect things to say especially when we are talking about

00:02:46.840 what happened at the synagogue and um it's never fun to talk about issues that have to do with race

00:02:53.600 that have to do with who is victimizing whom um so just know walking into that that some of the things

00:03:00.820 that we're going to say are simply factual but they are generally covered up by a lot of people in the

00:03:07.000 media because they are politically incorrect um things to say this everything that we are talking

00:03:14.060 about on mlk day uh there are a lot of nuances to mlk and his life and his theology and his philosophy

00:03:21.560 i really encourage you to listen to albert moeller's the briefing he really goes through the the spiritual

00:03:28.340 lineage the theological lineage of mlk talks about the goods and the bads of his uh philosophy and i thought

00:03:35.140 that was very informative i listened to that um this morning we won't get into all of that but there was

00:03:41.180 a lot of good that mlk obviously brought to the united states in the civil rights era his focus on love

00:03:49.100 and forgiveness on peaceful protests and uh civil means to push back against actual true injustice i think

00:03:58.400 a lot of his words unfortunately are co-opted by activists today to basically say we're facing the

00:04:04.260 same problems that we were when mlk was fighting for civil rights that is simply a historical nonsense

00:04:11.880 that's not to say we don't have issues today but america today is not what it was in the 1960s we can

00:04:18.020 give a lot of credit to the bravery the courage of mlk uh for that and um so we can't allow we can't allow

00:04:28.180 people to either co-opt or to completely negate what mlk jr preached the good things that he preached

00:04:35.940 in the 1950s and 60s for really a new form of divisive racism that we are seeing through activists like

00:04:44.740 ibram x kennedy and nicole hannah jones and the purporters and the peddlers of critical race theory

00:04:50.420 and um other forms of racial division today uh so just want to make a note on that and i also want

00:04:59.620 to say one more thing before we get into our conversation uh c4 was a law that passed it was 0.99

00:05:06.880 a bill that became a law um that was passed in canada that bans so-called conversion therapy i will link

00:05:15.020 the conversation that i had with a canadian pastor from a couple weeks ago where we talk about that

00:05:21.260 law what it actually means why it's not actually a ban on so-called conversion therapy certainly not a

00:05:27.500 ban on just you know barbaric electroshock therapy it really is an infringement um upon christianity

00:05:35.540 upon freedom of religion upon free speech and it truly is so dangerous and it's not going to end well

00:05:41.520 for anyone there link that past episode the reason why i'm bringing it up is because

00:05:45.920 yesterday um i think it was about 4 000 pastors in the united states and canada honored uh biblical

00:05:54.080 sexuality sunday where they simply preached what the bible has to say about biblical sexuality i will

00:06:02.960 also link a past episode that i did um about biblical marriage and the definition of gender

00:06:11.120 and all of that as i have said i love alliterations and basically the summation of the biblical

00:06:17.940 perspective on male and female and the holy matrimony of male and female is rooted in creation

00:06:26.680 it's reiterated throughout scripture it's repeated by jesus himself in matthew 19 it is uh it is

00:06:35.200 represented in uh it is representative i should say of uh of the gospel and in that way or it is sorry it

00:06:46.500 is representative of christ in his church and in that way is reflective of the gospel so it is rooted

00:06:53.760 in creation reiterated throughout scripture repeated by jesus himself representative of christ in the

00:06:59.540 church as we see in ephesians 5 and is therefore reflective of the gospel so biblical marriage between

00:07:06.120 male and female who are not interchangeable but are actually a fixed status that god created we see it

00:07:14.100 throughout scripture it doesn't just have physical significance but it also has spiritual and eternal

00:07:18.660 significance and therefore to compromise on that is to compromise on a lot the definition of male and

00:07:25.600 female the definition of marriage is a genesis one issue so it is foundational and if you are not even

00:07:32.040 willing as a christian to stand up for genesis one as i've said i have a hard time believing you will

00:07:36.760 long stand up for the much more controversial message of scripture which is the gospel that can

00:07:41.760 be summed up in john 14 6 that jesus is the way the truth and the life and that no one comes to the

00:07:47.300 father except through him that's far more controversial far more scandalous than god made them male and

00:07:53.860 female and defined marriage as a union between male and female so let's stand strong there let's be 0.87

00:07:59.840 a refuge of clarity and courage for a very confused and a chaotic world i just wanted to mention all of

00:08:05.800 that before we get started in this conversation with josh josh thank you so much for joining us

00:08:13.260 first in case there are a few people who may not know can you tell us who you are and what you do

00:08:17.220 i am the opinion the opinion editor of newsweek around the op-ed section there you can find our work

00:08:21.480 everyday at newsweek.com opinion i write a weekly syndicated column i do a lot of like law school

00:08:27.600 and college talks i'm a lawyer by background i used to live in dallas i was a blaze contributor for a

00:08:32.080 little while so definitely miss those days but always great to be back on air with you guys yeah well

00:08:36.880 thank you so much for taking the time to come on i originally asked you to come on to talk about this

00:08:41.220 voting legislation which we're going to talk about but i've seen you also talk a lot about in the past

00:08:46.780 few days uh the hostage situation that occurred in collieville texas where uh a synagogue people in

00:08:53.460 the synagogue were held hostage by a man by the name of malik fazal akram i guess that's how you

00:09:00.680 pronounce it he's a 44 year old british national uh presumably muslim who says that he was there holding

00:09:08.080 people hostage to try to um get his sister out of prison who was in prison for trying to harm i believe

00:09:17.280 fbi agents um so tell us more about what went on there and tell us a little bit about the the media

00:09:24.760 reaction and how they've covered this sure so this it's a tragic story obviously thank god that everyone

00:09:30.000 managed to escape what was a legitimate hostage crisis okay so you know thank god that the fbi swat

00:09:35.920 units everyone did what they had to do so there's there's so many elements of the story so like i

00:09:41.460 just mentioned you know like you ali you know i used to live in the dallas area um you know connie

00:09:45.660 burden um who's the former state senator from there in collieville in in northeastern tarrant county i

00:09:50.620 believe it is in the fort worth area it's a dear friend of mine so i mean i know the area well i'm

00:09:54.620 actually i'm actually friends with someone named idamar geldman whose facebook post about this went viral

00:09:59.180 he used to be a a congregant in that synagogue um idamar ran for congress in the dallas fort worth area years ago

00:10:05.100 um and in his facebook post this was kind of really kind of bone chilling stuff actually he

00:10:10.940 said that the rabbi there as is often the case with kind of these politically liberal

00:10:16.500 theologically non-orthodox synagogues the same way that kind of you know

00:10:20.540 christian christianity has a problem with its theologically liberal sex so do we in judaism

00:10:24.460 have a massive problem with our theologically liberal sex so idamar gelbin was talking about how the 0.88

00:10:29.260 the rabbi at this reform non-orthodox synagogue has said horrible things about israel over the years 0.93

00:10:34.440 he has called it an apartheid state oppressing muslims he has uh he previously forbid his own

00:10:39.680 congregants from concealed carrying in synagogue there so um you know i mean i'll be honest the

00:10:46.460 the very first time i i when i saw this happen uh when i saw like the first headline my very first

00:10:51.960 thought was this is probably a non-orthodox synagogue honestly because in most kind of

00:10:56.640 both theologically conservative and more politically conservative shuls especially in a red state like

00:11:01.040 texas or where i live now in florida there's going to be armed security and or a lot of people

00:11:05.880 carrying so um you know it seems like the he took the easiest target there and the actual story here

00:11:12.880 it's very it's it's exactly what you said it looks like it's a it's a british pakistani national um a

00:11:19.000 muslim guy it's unclear whether the person that he's referring to as his sister is actually his

00:11:23.180 biological sister or just his sister in islam sister in faith or whatever but um the real story

00:11:30.580 here i think that as we're going to play out over the next kind of 36 to 48 hours so the real story

00:11:34.520 i think is going to start to focus on care the council on american islamic relations because care

00:11:38.500 as recently as a month and a half ago was hosting a fundraiser they were doing these prolific events

00:11:44.880 trying to free this prisoner this prisoner who this nut job who is now dead went into a synagogue to try 0.85

00:11:52.120 to take hostage jews in order to free so care i think you know that's an organization of ilan omar

00:11:57.640 rashida tlaib all kind of the nut jobs in the squad and kind of um you know the far left democratic 1.00

00:12:02.380 party they kind of sycophant themselves to care care has a very long and inglorious history it was

00:12:07.960 it was like founded if you go back far enough as a muslim brotherhood hamas operation on u.s soil so

00:12:12.560 that's where i think the narrative is going to go here but look obviously i mean speaking very

00:12:17.360 personally ali you know as as a jew who goes to synagogue pretty much every week i i would never go to a

00:12:22.400 to a shul i would never ever ever step foot in a synagogue unless there were a armed security

00:12:26.900 and or b i was concealed carrying and i just hope that my fellow jews pay attention and do the same

00:12:31.660 thing right now something that's interesting in this is that the fbi is saying and of course the

00:12:38.280 media has kind of echoed this that there is no explicitly um explicitly anti-semitic motive

00:12:46.340 here that this is something that just happened it had nothing to do with the fact that this was a

00:12:52.020 synagogue apparently he was just going to hold anyone hostage are you buying that you know it's 0.92

00:12:58.740 this makes me so angry it literally makes like my blood like like viscerally boil right so a friend

00:13:05.760 of mine um a friend here in miami actually a law school friend of mine showed me a google maps like

00:13:10.380 a satellite image of where this shul is in collieville texas the media and the fbi it's unbelievable by the

00:13:17.460 way that we're conflating the mainstream media and the fbi but they deserve to be conflated at this

00:13:21.440 point they are having us believe they are they are suggesting they are putting out there the notion

00:13:26.600 that this synagogue was in like a random strip mall where he could have gone into the walgreens he could

00:13:30.600 have gone into the walmart he could have gone into like the indian or chinese restaurant or he could

00:13:34.520 have randomly wandered into a shul if you go on google maps and you look at where this synagogue is it's in

00:13:40.340 a heavily residential neighborhood okay it is not in a strip mall it is not surrounded by anything

00:13:45.700 so what this man did this british pakistani national who very clearly is not particularly

00:13:51.580 assimilated into our norms our customs literally what i think is going on here okay and i and i think

00:13:58.660 i'm probably pretty spot on on this the culture in a lot of these kind of um you know islamist 0.71

00:14:04.560 centric countries um you know ian hersi ali who grew up in somalia who grew up kind of inculcated in

00:14:10.560 deep deep anti-semitism has spoken a great length about this and a lot of these countries they are

00:14:15.080 really taught that like the jews you know the elders of zion all these horrible kind of conspiracy 0.99

00:14:19.420 theories really just control everything and the nut shop who was in prison this woman siddiqui who 1.00

00:14:24.980 he was attempting to free has basically said that she has said um and some she was a neuroscientist

00:14:31.300 at brandeis university i mean this is someone who had some some academic credentials to her name

00:14:35.200 but she has said that like the jews control everything the jews are behind everything so what i think

00:14:39.320 happened was this british pakistani guy probably actually believes that the jews really control

00:14:45.080 everything and i think he really he just went into a random synagogue to hold up a bunch of jews

00:14:50.920 including the rabbi obviously and thought that he would use as a bargaining chip so that someone i

00:14:57.020 guess in his mind like literally like the council members of the elders of zion to go back to like

00:15:02.100 these ridiculous conspiracy theories would then free this siddiqui terrorist behind bar that is my best 1.00

00:15:07.740 guess as to what his thought process was honestly yeah um it's it's it's a remarkably stupid way to 0.99

00:15:15.460 approach this to put it mildly um it is dripping with anti-semitic conspiracy theories but that is 0.95

00:15:19.920 really the culture that i think a lot of these kind of pakistani somali whatever kind of uh cultures

00:15:25.040 grow up in frankly are you surprised at all that the media some in the media of course not all seem to

00:15:30.980 be more concerned with the potential of islamophobia after this story than the blatant anti-semitism that was

00:15:37.160 actually expressed like we saw a tele a tweet by the telegraph saying breaking man with english accent

00:15:43.420 holds rabbi and congregation hostage at texas synagogue the fbi saying that this had nothing

00:15:49.440 to do with anti-semitism you have a lot of outlets just describing him as a british man to me that seems

00:15:57.200 to of course bury the lead you're trying to hide the inconvenient fact that this person wasn't as

00:16:02.420 islamist extremist does that surprise you at all or are you used to that look i the media after an

00:16:09.700 event like this is going to gaslight okay they're going to try to refocus the narrative back on white

00:16:14.180 supremacy back on white nationalism back on kind of the biden white house's war on domestic terrorism

00:16:19.340 january 6th i mean we know all the talking points okay we know the narrative that they're going to try

00:16:23.380 desperately to get it back to here i thought that what happened excuse me i thought what happened this

00:16:28.120 time was particularly egregious this was worse gaslighting than i think we've normally seen after

00:16:33.360 an event like this and i think that the median person kind of sees right through this i mean

00:16:38.000 literally the front facing person for the fbi who was there kind of on the ground i don't remember his

00:16:43.420 name but the guy who was kind of organizing all the various units he had a press conference there or a

00:16:48.100 brief conference on saturday night where he literally said we are looking for the true motive still

00:16:53.100 i mean are you kidding me are you kidding me like a a muslim pakistani british national goes into a 0.87

00:17:01.100 synagogue yelling about freeing this terrorist other muslim woman who's behind bars who care held an

00:17:07.900 event to try to free a month and a half ago in a synagogue and we're trying to find the true motive

00:17:13.360 here i i mean this is vicious malicious stuff but to to your point am i surprised look jew hatred is the

00:17:21.420 oldest form bigotry in the world obviously it goes back thousands and thousands of years it is the

00:17:25.220 bigotry that never has gone away never will go away and honestly like you know as jews like we have to

00:17:31.280 deal with that fact i mean like we just do right so like again like we we need armed security we need to

00:17:36.740 get more comfortable training with firearms concealed carrying i've been saying all this stuff for years

00:17:41.300 and years here but the notion that like the media and in this case the fbi would try to change a

00:17:47.040 narrative i mean i mean it's just very it's it's malicious and it's vicious and it's also sad i mean

00:17:52.000 if you look at kind of the fbi hate crime statistics in any given year as far as religious based hate

00:17:56.520 crimes go in in the united states jews comprise i think it's about 55 to 60 percent of religiously

00:18:02.560 based hate crimes it's like five to six times more hate crimes than muslims get in the united states 0.99

00:18:07.760 and every year obviously the media would prefer to focus exclusively on the you know islam based hate

00:18:13.860 crimes for various intersectional nonsensical reasons but i i'm not surprised because um you

00:18:20.040 know uh jew hatred to this day is one of the last politically correct forms of bigotry in america it

00:18:25.540 really just is and you just hit on really the reason i think that a lot of people in the media

00:18:31.140 focus on what they focus on and obfuscate what they try to obfuscate and that is that intersectionality

00:18:37.060 which is totally irrational but um they will simultaneously conflate or they will just say 0.82

00:18:45.660 that jewish people are just white so they have all of the privilege of basically your average wasp 1.00

00:18:52.480 but when it's convenient for them they will use anti-semitism to try to speak out against what 0.98

00:18:59.340 we're told is the main enemy in america the biggest enemy in america and that is white supremacy

00:19:04.620 it's the same thing with the whole stop asian hate hashtag that was going around last year we were 0.92

00:19:10.900 told that the real problem in the asian community the real enemy that they're fighting is white

00:19:16.340 supremacy when the vast majority of the violent crimes that were committed against asians that

00:19:21.440 we were seeing statistically throughout the years but in particular last year we saw with our own eyes

00:19:25.980 they were not white people perpetrating those crimes but you're right when they say when you say that 0.84

00:19:32.060 it's one it's intersectionality which like i said is irrational and two it's gaslighting in order to

00:19:38.400 advance their agenda of intersectionality and it actually makes the world i i believe a more

00:19:44.720 dangerous place because we are unwilling to call things as they are people are too scared to tell the

00:19:50.820 truth and so they are unable to see threats as they are which means that they can be unwilling in some

00:19:58.120 cases to take the steps to try to protect themselves um against these kinds of um against these kinds of

00:20:07.220 threats don't you think totally look um it does a huge disservice to people's ability to recognize

00:20:14.100 the threats that are actually happening out there now i i don't want to downplay obviously that there

00:20:19.600 are you know there's an extremely extremely small percentage of people in america who do have a

00:20:25.620 you know vile white supremacist neo-nazi beliefs okay the person who attacked they do not like 0.85

00:20:30.820 they do not like jews it their their targets aren't just you know black and brown people but 1.00

00:20:37.220 they are viciously anti-semitic as well yeah of course i mean the person who attacked the chabad of 0.94

00:20:44.100 poe california outside san diego i think it was in april 2019 if i believe it was uh well almost three

00:20:49.380 years ago now that's crazy i remember like that like it was yesterday um he was a neo-nazi um you know

00:20:54.180 the person at the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh i i think had neo-nazi or neo-nazi-esque

00:20:59.620 beliefs but yeah if you look at the majority of anti-semitic attacks in america it's actually not

00:21:05.220 it's it's not coming from white people it's just not i mean it's literally coming from people of color

00:21:09.140 predominantly in the black community this is this is a deeply non-politically correct thing that i'm

00:21:15.200 about to say but if you look at historic polls that trace the levels of kind of um of viewpoints that

00:21:21.660 kind of you know any mainstream jewish organization the adl whatever would consider it to be anti-semitic

00:21:27.680 if you look at that those beliefs do happen in a larger percentage from the black community than

00:21:31.920 most communities in the united states and you know we saw that you know uh in jersey city new jersey in

00:21:36.780 december 2019 we're in a kosher supermarket um you know i think it was one or two people were killed 0.89

00:21:41.520 from kind of a a black hebrew is israelite which is basically like a black nationalist terrorist

00:21:46.120 organization the machete attack in muncie new york later that same month was from like a

00:21:51.100 a similar kind of black nationalist type obviously you can go back to the early 90s with with the

00:21:56.060 pogrom the actual pogrom that al sharpton started in crown heights brooklyn leaned to the death of an

00:22:01.060 australian jew named yankle rosenbaum for which al sharpton to this day has literally never apologized

00:22:05.800 for starting that literal pogrom so look um this is not a new thing um you know i i i think jews who have 0.95

00:22:12.900 been around long enough who will follow this know that the threat more often than not as a basic

00:22:19.200 statistical level actually does happen from the muslim community or the black community these are

00:22:23.880 not kind of easy things to say but they still must be said here and again that's not to like play down

00:22:28.540 the the abhorrent and violent neo-nazis but as a basic percentage of who was actually committing

00:22:34.520 these hate crimes and to your point ali by the way those hate crimes really not just against jews but

00:22:39.380 against asians too when we saw all those all those attacks against asians in new york city in

00:22:43.160 particular in the bay area in california really did not seem like it was all that many white people

00:22:49.000 i mean i'm sure some obviously were doing terrible things but a lot of the anecdotes that kind of

00:22:53.620 were caught on camera really did seem to be blacks or sometimes perhaps hispanics these are not easy

00:23:00.060 things to say but i mean we kind of have to say it because you need to recognize what you're facing

00:23:04.500 and be ready to act on that yeah i it's not easy to say and no one really wants to talk about that it'd

00:23:10.440 be a lot easier not to talk about it and of course it's it's not saying anything about um any innate

00:23:16.780 characteristic in any group of people and you're not painting with a broad brush but statistically

00:23:22.280 the bureau of justice statistics says the same thing about asian americans and who they are most

00:23:27.160 likely to be murdered by if they are murdered and that's actually very different from every other race 0.52

00:23:31.700 in which a white person is most likely to be killed by a white person a black person is most likely 0.59

00:23:36.980 to be killed by a black person that's actually not true only for asian americans um so just

00:23:43.900 interesting i do think it's important to to to talk about and to note even if it is super uncomfortable

00:23:49.660 and it's something that i don't like to mention but when you are told by the government that the

00:23:55.240 biggest threat of violence the biggest threat of quote domestic terrorism in the united states is white

00:24:00.700 nationalism and white supremacy i mean knowing the things that we do know that we just talked about

00:24:06.040 i mean we should that should cause people to take a step back and say well why then why are they

00:24:11.160 why are they saying that where are these threats coming from how are they so pervasive and yet we

00:24:16.040 don't have a whole lot of anecdotes um about those happening frequently and your estimation like what

00:24:21.780 is the motivation um behind joe biden this administration um talking about the biggest threat

00:24:29.680 to the united states i'm not saying that it's not a threat but the biggest threat to the united states

00:24:33.520 we hear is white supremacist domestic terrorism what is the motivation behind that when that just

00:24:39.760 doesn't seem to be factual so it's a fantastic question look i i think if i had to kind of armchair

00:24:45.480 quarterback or maybe even kind of like armchair psychiatrist as to like what's really going on here

00:24:49.440 i think we're seeing kind of the intergenerational kind of downstream symptom the downstream effect

00:24:55.480 of decades and decades of thought in the american academy and the western academy and the university

00:25:01.600 at large that has basically said that america and western civilization for that matter is inherently

00:25:06.740 kind of racist colonialist obviously kind of you know the we you know you and i both both on the

00:25:12.040 narrative right i mean these white european colonialists came there you know they conquered

00:25:16.320 squanto and the indians you know um you know every person of color was subjugated so that i think

00:25:22.740 ultimately is kind of the narrative here obviously that's a large part of what's going on with um

00:25:27.280 1619 project from the new york times in particular here that's very much a part of this narrative so

00:25:32.580 i think it kind of a a at a full philosophical level what biden is kind of implicitly doing maybe

00:25:38.760 not explicitly on database but but the sentiment that he's implicitly channeling is he's basically

00:25:43.540 trying to say kind of mea culpa he's trying to say like my bad as a white person like i like my people

00:25:50.540 and again this is you know this is me trying to imitate him this is not like what i think but he's

00:25:54.620 basically trying to say my bad you know my people the white people have kind of come here they've

00:25:58.800 invaded they've conquered this country here and now i recognize that we are to blame so let you know 0.99

00:26:04.100 let all the you know intersectional olympics you know um the people of color of all various stripes

00:26:09.820 do your thing have try to have your country back on the margins i think a kind of a broader kind of

00:26:15.240 higher level that's probably what's going on here obviously a kind of a narrower level a kind of a

00:26:20.960 bread and butter crass tactics of of modern 2022 politics level i think what's happening here is

00:26:27.180 the democratic party obviously knows that it is hemorrhaging voters very badly um with working

00:26:32.220 class whites in particular that obviously has kind of become the the voting base the crux of the voting

00:26:36.700 base of the republican party and the democratic party recognizes that it has to massively kind of

00:26:42.420 drive huge turnouts among the black community among the hispanic community although obviously the

00:26:48.360 polls show the hispanic community is much more split nowadays than they were just a couple of

00:26:52.560 years ago or so but i think i i think the thought is that like you have to kind of just appeal you have

00:26:58.060 to kind of just throw kind of carrots out there to all the various kind of intersectional groups to

00:27:02.220 drive out margins at the polls because democrats know that with their crazy kind of woke nonsense

00:27:07.800 not to mention some of their like insane you know bread and butter kind of fiscal taxation 0.66

00:27:12.380 policies they are really just kind of losing white americans at the polls at a very basic level i think

00:27:17.740 speaking of trying to let's see i'm trying to think of the transition speaking of trying to gain power

00:27:28.820 through dishonest means let's talk about this voting legislation let's transition into that subject

00:27:35.540 um speaking i guess of all the racial things that we were just talking about joe biden and i think we

00:27:41.960 have the clip to play out joe biden uh gave a speech a scandalous speech in georgia basically saying if

00:27:49.960 you don't support democrats voting legislation then you are a racist like bull connor so let's play that

00:27:58.260 if we have it do you want to be the sign the side of dr king or george wallace do you want to be in the 0.96

00:28:06.080 side of john lewis or bull connor do you want to be the side of abraham lincoln or jefferson davis

00:28:13.580 this is the moment to decide all right so that was pretty stunning to me and apparently it was

00:28:19.340 stunning to a lot of democrats they were trying to kind of walk it back jensaki was saying oh that's

00:28:24.860 not really what he was saying um is that true is it true that uh opposition to this voting

00:28:32.840 legislation is opposition to black americans being able to vote i mean you ali you and i both know

00:28:39.400 that the answer to that is obviously no um you know the word for this is very straightforward the

00:28:43.360 word for this is demagogery okay um a demagogue kind of going back to plato and aristotle and kind

00:28:48.920 of the greeks who originated this term it refers to demagogue the root there is demos the people it

00:28:54.560 refers to someone who kind of it's a political figure who rises up by stirring the passions of

00:28:59.700 the people trying to rile them up um oftentimes at their very worst trying to kind of put them

00:29:04.820 against themselves and pit them against themselves this was joe biden's probably most demagogic speech

00:29:10.160 to date and already in his one year in the oval office there was a large sample size there to

00:29:15.380 choose from he has had many demagogic speeches about the so-called pandemic of the unvaccinated and

00:29:21.000 kind of pitting the vaccinated against the unvaccinated so there's a lot to choose from there but

00:29:24.460 this was his this was demagoguery at its very worst so look what happened as far as voting laws are

00:29:31.440 concerned here in the year 2020 obviously um you know back when covid was you know at its uh at its

00:29:37.780 fiercest where we when we really didn't know uh quite how serious or but as the case may be with

00:29:43.180 omicron non-serious the virus actually might be when everyone was locked down all these states kind

00:29:47.660 of unilaterally not all of them but a lot of them unilaterally changed their voting laws oftentimes

00:29:52.560 actually via unconstitutional means constitution is actually quite clear that if a state wants to

00:29:57.700 change kind of the times places manners and regulations of its voting regime of its voting

00:30:03.180 laws that must happen through the legislature a lot of states pennsylvania north carolina and others

00:30:07.880 actually passed them through executive fiat so shame on the supreme court for not having fixed that

00:30:13.460 at the time it was it was flagrantly unconstitutional all the time but what they did so kind of holding

00:30:18.240 aside the law and focusing on the policy what they were doing here is they were really trying to make

00:30:22.200 kind of a one-off dispensation an exception like a one-time 2020 election exception and again hold

00:30:29.160 aside whether that was even necessary i think usually it was not but they were trying to make one-time

00:30:34.200 exceptions because of this what we at the time thought was this novel once a century pandemic that kind

00:30:40.220 of shut down all society the democrats arguments is that in states where we are trying just to return

00:30:47.080 to the status quo ante of two years ago of you know january february 2020 just before covid started

00:30:53.720 that returning to that status quo ante now makes you tantamount to bull connor you know and the fire

00:30:59.900 hoses down in montgomery alaban that is literally their stance this is it is just so shameful i mean like

00:31:07.500 this is such an insult to the legacy you know of marlon luther king of all the people who did march

00:31:12.900 in selma alabama of all the people who did kind of fight against um the horrific jim crow regime in in

00:31:18.780 the southern united states it's really just galling stuff i mean it kind of reminds me the same way i

00:31:23.840 mean this you know this weekend here in florida nikki freed who's running the democratic primary and 0.93

00:31:28.520 might challenge ron desantis you know she compared ron desantis to hitler i i mean like this is such an

00:31:34.120 insult to people you know who who have relatives who died in the holocaust the same way that what's 0.62

00:31:39.600 happening with joe biden is an insult to people whose families you know suffered in the jim crow

00:31:43.900 maybe died in some of these marches from vicious police officers i mean it is demagoguery at its very

00:31:49.460 worst and it's also just it's flagrantly ahistorical as a basic matter of constitutional law too voting of

00:31:56.180 the united states is predominantly a state issue that is kind of like a con law 101 red and butter matter

00:32:01.340 now there are various constitutional amendments um specifically i guess would be the let's see the

00:32:05.400 15th the 19th the 24th and the 26th amendments or the four amendments that kind of carve out kind of

00:32:10.600 federal exceptions but the point is historically speaking with the exception of like the voting rights

00:32:16.020 out of 1965 and those four amendments voting is really a state issue it is up to the states to do this

00:32:21.520 so what's what's really happening here is it's a naked federal power grab is the democrats

00:32:25.540 recognizing that they are in deep deep doo-doo that they are going to get schlacked this fall at the

00:32:32.100 midterms and they're trying to kind of effectuate a very quick power grab to put in policies that will

00:32:38.200 get them slightly better or at least less bad at the polls that's really what's actually going on here

00:32:42.800 it's deeply cynical demagogic and shameful stuff and i want to get into some of the specifics in just

00:32:48.620 one second but i want to read a little bit of nancy pelosi's reaction to the speech when she was

00:32:53.760 asked asked about it going back to my point about democrats kind of seem to be walking this back

00:32:58.280 which i think is actually rare they usually just double down but nancy pelosi said nobody knows who

00:33:02.800 bill connor is you know if we're going to make the case to say we're going to be with martin luther

00:33:06.680 king or bill connor who's that and she probably doesn't realize the point that she's making but

00:33:11.240 that's actually exactly what i was thinking the fact that most people don't know who bill connor

00:33:16.240 uh bill connor is most people don't know the racist that he was contrasting to the civil rights

00:33:23.300 heroes that actually says a lot about our nation and the people that we lionize the people that we

00:33:29.180 have put up on a pedestal and made heroes they're the civil rights leaders not the racist those people

00:33:35.800 have gone to the dustbin of history most people probably in his audience didn't even know who the 0.98

00:33:42.080 racists were that he was listing and yet we're supposed to believe like you said that ridiculous

00:33:48.220 notion that if you just simply want the states to control their own elections if you want to go back 0.96

00:33:53.840 to pre-pandemic rules and regulations uh about elections then you are some um awful segregationist

00:34:02.100 and racist it's just it's just absurd now let's get into some specifics about this power grab as you

00:34:09.240 argued they're trying to protect themselves from losing more elections what exactly i know there's a lot

00:34:15.580 but just a few things what are some of the biggest things that are in this bill that are so dangerous

00:34:20.740 okay so there's so as far as i'm aware there's two kind of major pieces of federal legislation

00:34:26.800 there's um the freedom to vote act if i have the name correctly there which would basically kind of

00:34:31.960 federalize various regulations referring to kind of early voting and mail-in balloting and things

00:34:36.820 like that and then there's the john lewis advancement act again if i have the name right there

00:34:41.700 yeah which basically would kind of put in so basically what happened there is in in 2013 in

00:34:48.720 the shelby county versus holder case of the supreme court the supreme court basically threw out the

00:34:53.140 so-called coverage formula from section 4b of the 1965 voting rights act because they basically said

00:34:59.600 that congress had not updated this um you know at the time i guess it was 48 years it's basically

00:35:04.280 a half century and the way that the voting rights act works there are two major components

00:35:07.920 there but section 4 basically has a so-called coverage formula that relying on literally 1965

00:35:15.360 data what congress did was it said like if you are in a certain jurisdiction here predominantly

00:35:19.260 obviously in the south i think you know some places like out in arizona but mostly really in

00:35:24.160 kind of the old south if you were in a certain jurisdiction that has a history of discriminating

00:35:29.160 on voting rights and i don't want to downplay that um that actually was totally legitimate

00:35:33.360 yeah that really happened of course but if you were in a certain jurisdiction here of course then

00:35:37.580 in order to make changes to your voting laws to your policies you had to get federal pre-clearance

00:35:43.520 from the department of justice the issue is that they that may have and quite possibly was justified

00:35:50.380 um at the time due to the horror that was jim crow but as a basic matter of constitutional law like i was

00:35:56.680 explaining earlier that kind of flips federalism on its face okay voting rights voting regimes really are

00:36:01.640 historically kind of a state issue and again like there were various amendments there is the voting

00:36:05.760 rights act that kind of make exceptions to that but as a general rule it kind of flips on its head

00:36:10.440 federalism so in 2013 the court basically said okay congress has not updated this coverage formula in 48

00:36:17.320 years now we're gonna we're gonna throw it out so the john lewis advancement act would basically seek

00:36:22.760 to put in a new coverage formula in section four the issue with that is twofold one is that again you know

00:36:31.000 as horrible as jim crow was and it was obviously horrible we're now you know 55 60 years after

00:36:36.760 after the voting rights act query whether we still need this extremely heavy-handed policy in place

00:36:43.640 that kind of from a con law one-on-one perspective flips federalism on its face especially when in the

00:36:49.320 case of the voting rights act there's actually other kind of um litigation avenues there's section

00:36:54.200 two which is kind of a pre-enforcement mechanism but not worth getting into but the point is

00:36:58.680 theory whether we even need this and i haven't actually looked into the granular data but based

00:37:03.080 on the what i have read it does seem like the section four coverage formula the democrats want to

00:37:08.200 put back into this statute basically just copies and paste more or less what was the case 55 60 years

00:37:13.880 ago so um the data does not support that the data in today's day and age simply does not support the

00:37:18.760 proposition that georgia and alabama and are in mississippi whatever are discriminating on the basis of

00:37:23.960 race at the polls any more than indiana minnesota whatever this is nonsensical stuff so it it is

00:37:29.640 farcical on its face and it flips federalism the other legislation the freedom to vote act um same

00:37:35.800 thing i mean like they're basically just trying to federalize election they're trying to make a

00:37:39.400 national power grab here as to what under our constitutional order is quite emphatically and

00:37:44.280 quite clearly a state issue um i i a lot of this is probably unconstitutional on its face because

00:37:51.080 again historically speaking we had to have those four amendments the 15th 19th 24th and 26 in order

00:37:56.840 to kind of take away from the states to the federal government these kind of voting rights mechanisms

00:38:02.200 because the default the default presumption is that voting is a state issue so it's probably

00:38:07.240 unconstitutional on its face and second again we just don't need this like these policies were in

00:38:12.840 place in 2020 as like a one-off pandemic era exception to the norm but as a basic matter of policy you know

00:38:19.720 mass mass mail-in balloting early voting for 20 30 days whatever these are bad policies on their face

00:38:28.680 i mean early voting is problematic for any number of reasons that i've you know i've written about for

00:38:33.080 years now so they're bad policies and it's not it's a facially unconstitutional power grab these

00:38:38.360 are state issues that are trying to federalize for sheer cynical purposes to drive out the numbers of the ballot box

00:38:43.880 yep and not to mention that a lot of the provisions in the bill are very unpopular among the american

00:38:50.840 people of course if you ask people are you for democracy are you for voting rights the vast majority

00:38:56.360 of people of course are going to say yes but if you break it down what's actually in this bill for example

00:39:03.080 um banning state photo vote or uh photo voter id laws well most people are going to be against that

00:39:11.000 there was a pew research poll uh that showed i think it was upwards of 78 percent thereabouts

00:39:18.680 um americans who support voter id laws and like i said in general people want people who are qualified

00:39:26.920 to have access to voting of course but i do believe that most americans also care about voter integrity

00:39:35.960 and they can see just common sense tells us that there are some vulnerabilities in the election

00:39:40.840 process if the rules and regulations don't make sense and if they're not localized every state is

00:39:46.520 different the requirements should be different based on what the voters there want and what is actually

00:39:53.000 needed there's also a requirement for states to allow this is the the um the main piece of legislation

00:40:00.200 that we are hearing about the john lewis voting rights advancement act but a requirement that states

00:40:06.360 to allow online voter registration not tied to an existing state record on any individual giving

00:40:12.440 election officials no time to verify the accuracy of the registration and the eligibility of the voter

00:40:19.880 to anticipate the number of ballots and election workers needed at polling places if you allow same-day

00:40:25.160 registration requires states to automatically register individuals to vote from state and federal

00:40:30.600 databases and so there's a lot in here that simply makes it seem like what they want is not just a

00:40:37.400 federal power grab but also to make it easy to cheat and look i'm not saying that voter fraud either

00:40:43.320 is some big rampant problem that is manipulating every election that we've had in the past but again i think

00:40:50.040 common sense tells us that this would make it easier to take advantage of our system to manipulate the

00:40:58.040 voting process by a bad actor of course this opens the door to illegal immigrants voting which if you 0.99

00:41:04.440 want to talk about true voter suppression allowing non-citizens especially illegal immigrants to vote well 0.98

00:41:12.040 that waters down the voting power of americans democrat or republican black white hispanic it doesn't matter 0.73

00:41:19.400 the more illegal immigrants or non-citizens are allowed to vote the last your vote counts as an american

00:41:26.680 that's true voter suppression and yet they don't seem to care about care about that at all now what's

00:41:32.680 the likelihood at this point since they're not abolishing the filibuster it doesn't it doesn't seem

00:41:37.800 um and they don't have probably the votes to pass this what's the likelihood before the midterms that

00:41:43.960 this gets through well real quick i mean kind of just kind of emphasizing the point that that you

00:41:49.640 made ali um voter id in particular is remarkably popular among basically any subset of the population

00:41:58.600 there has been so much polling on this for so long now and majorities of every population subgroup

00:42:05.160 if i'm correct correctly white black hispanic you know literally whatever kind of intersectional

00:42:10.760 demographic whatever you know rainbow kind of coalition that you want to carve out there

00:42:15.720 a majority supports voter id because it is so commonsensical i mean the same way that you need

00:42:21.960 an id to get a prescription from the pharmacy to walk into any government building to get on an airplane

00:42:27.880 you need an id to do so many basic things in life you probably should need an id to verify who you are

00:42:33.560 before trying to alter the course of our democracy before trying to alter the course of our republic if we

00:42:39.160 can keep it to kind of channel the ben franklin line from you know 250 years ago whatever so it

00:42:44.440 the democrats you know stacy abrams biden harris whoever is on the side that voter id equals jim crow

00:42:51.240 is so far out of touch with the median voter of any kind of subgroup they're basically also as far as

00:42:58.040 the polling that i've seen they're way out of touch with even the median democrats so this is a pure

00:43:02.520 panzer play and uh again to use the word that i used earlier it really is kind of this demagogue

00:43:07.000 fundamentally but to your latter question what the odds that this passes i mean the odds are you

00:43:12.280 know basically zero at this point i mean now that kind of kerson cinema and joe manchin are you know

00:43:16.680 admirably standing firm on the filibuster and by the way you know exactly what they're trying to do in

00:43:20.600 the filibuster here um the notion that they were trying to make on this like one-off exception to

00:43:24.920 kind of put in a voting rights all to the filibuster rule is totally nonsensical that's not how this works

00:43:31.640 uh obviously once you make a one-time exception there'll be a second time exception a third time

00:43:36.120 exception and they know that and that's exactly because every piece of legislation that they push

00:43:40.520 is always what they say democracy is riding on it's never just like okay this piece of legislation

00:43:46.200 isn't that important i mean of course it's ironic that while they are trying to upend democratic

00:43:53.240 norms um they are saying that they are advancing the cause of democracy but that's kind of what they do

00:43:59.320 but yeah you're absolutely right this is not an exception yeah no exactly um it's not an exception

00:44:04.200 at all but i as far as kind of making like an actual prediction i mean the odds that this passes

00:44:08.200 muster before republicans presumably retake the house and quite possibly the senate this november are

00:44:13.960 effectively zero um i mean it's just not gonna happen at this point i mean look it's possible um if

00:44:18.920 joe biden really wants to go into like yolo mode i mean it's possible that he could that he could

00:44:23.080 like purport to issue some kind of wildly unconstitutional executive order trying to change

00:44:29.160 this um you know laterally i mean there's no chance that would pass you know article three

00:44:34.760 federal judiciary court muster some court wouldn't join that pretty quickly but he could try if he

00:44:40.040 gets frustrated enough just to kind of show his base that he's you know trying to do something to

00:44:44.440 save our democracy but as a basic matter of kind of the legislative process you know it's quite

00:44:49.240 clearly not getting past the senate at this point yeah it's just amazing how how much we heard

00:44:55.960 while trump was in office that he was the demagogue and that democracy was at stake and that trump was

00:45:03.880 divisive that he is trying to ignite some kind of civil war when we've seen i mean at least in my

00:45:09.720 estimation a lot more not just demagoguery in rhetorical form but actual attempts at um

00:45:20.200 actual movements that can be described as authoritarian i won't go so far as to say that biden

00:45:24.920 is himself an authoritarian but trying to for example put a moratorium on evictions through the cdc

00:45:31.480 despite what the supreme court said constantly trying to subvert what the supreme court and the

00:45:37.400 constitution say about the policies that he wants to enact that is far less democratic and far more

00:45:44.040 authoritarian than in my opinion anything that donald trump did and yet they are um you know positioning

00:45:51.400 themselves as the guardians of democracy and it's just uh it makes me sad that some people fall for

00:45:57.800 it but i i think you're right i think most people don't i think most most americans see through this

00:46:04.200 kind of stuff this kind of propaganda um what do you think just to kind of close us out what do you think

00:46:15.160 the republican party should be and do going into the midterms going into even the next presidential

00:46:21.000 election crazy that we're already starting to talk about that but i've read a lot of your pieces

00:46:25.480 recently on where you think the republican party can do better what you think the conservative movement

00:46:30.760 should look like what do you think a winning gop looks like not just when they're running campaigns

00:46:36.440 but when they're actually governing great questions this is like this is my favorite topic of the

00:46:42.120 moment obviously um you know it's so fascinating you know trump came in in 2016 like a wrecking ball

00:46:46.520 and he blew up so much and as like as an overton window shifting mechanism he was very useful and

00:46:52.920 very helpful obviously but he didn't necessarily leave kind of a thorough kind of a through z kind of

00:46:58.200 policy manual or you know a philosophical roadmap or anything in his place so this is like it's a very fun

00:47:03.880 space to be in right now and i you know i'm trying to do my little part to contribute to it so

00:47:08.280 look my my basic thesis here um you know i i definitely side with um the so-called kind of common

00:47:14.200 good conservatism camp um you know i think what i would call that uh national conservatism and what

00:47:19.400 i basically mean by that is it is a philosophy of governance of a philosophy of conservative governance

00:47:26.520 that recognizes that the time for kind of 19 era 1980s kind of you know reagan bush era bromides

00:47:33.480 about how like the only thing we can do is slash taxes cut regulations free trade open borders

00:47:38.760 this kind of excessive focus um on neoliberal economics as an end unto itself has to stop

00:47:46.600 okay the current threats that are happening in the united states in the year 2022 are to an extent

00:47:52.440 happening from big government that's what we're just talking about for sure okay that's what we're

00:47:55.560 talking about with the bind administration's various excesses when administrative overreach trying to

00:48:00.920 carve out and change the filibuster these are changes but i think most fundamentally the biggest

00:48:06.680 issue that we on the right that we as kind of sane americans who just want to go to church or synagogue

00:48:11.560 and you know live our lives on a free day-to-day basis without kind of you know covet hysteria without

00:48:16.920 kind of illegal aliens kind of running amok without crimes and anarchy and blm antifa looting in the

00:48:22.360 streets what we really face as a as a basic threat is kind of the woke ideology i think the woke ideology

00:48:29.240 and and it's spread and it's spread it is spread through all the institutions of high society it is

00:48:34.920 there in big tech they are censoring us they are kind of kicking us off the town square it is there

00:48:39.640 all across the fortune 500 all across world capital you know chris rufo has done investigation after

00:48:44.680 investigation kind of showing how every major corporation you know is basically treating its

00:48:50.040 employees to effectively hate white people um and and hate conservative viewpoints so it's happening

00:48:54.680 across the corporations it's happening across the big tech oligarchs it's obviously happening on the 0.93

00:48:59.320 american university campuses we're having so much as a vaguely right-of-center viewpoint gets you shut

00:49:04.360 down if not outright banned from polite society here so in order to fight back against kind of the spread

00:49:09.640 of this current threat you know whether it's critical again critical race theory um you know biological

00:49:14.520 men competing with women's sports this kind of crazy woke notion that has spread which is fundamentally

00:49:20.120 different from kind of the issues of oppressive taxation and whatnot that kind of motivated the

00:49:24.440 conservative movement of 40 50 years ago it necessarily requires an update to our policy

00:49:29.720 manual and our actual approach to the art of politics so the kind of form of conservatism that

00:49:35.000 i've been pushing a lot of my articles and speeches and whatnot is a much more what i would say muscular

00:49:40.040 kind of hands-on version that is not just willing to settle for just kind of slashing taxes and tweaking

00:49:46.280 around the edges of kind of economic policy but it's really trying to get in there on the culture

00:49:50.920 war that's going to fight the culture war with the aim of victory over our opponents that recognize 0.65

00:49:54.920 that we are in a civilizational fight with people that want to tell us that women are men that men

00:50:00.200 are women and that white people basically are racist due to the fact they were born white that is 1.00

00:50:04.920 an evil toxic and pernicious ideology and we have to be willing to not just kind of plead live and let 0.98

00:50:11.160 live to kind of say like let us do our thing in our own space we have to actually put out there a

00:50:16.440 substantive vision of what america is as a just society grounded in the constitution the declaration

00:50:23.000 our founding documents and basically be unapologetic about that there and we have to kind of actually

00:50:28.040 wield the levers of power to institute that yep i agree with you and i have been heartened my husband

00:50:36.200 and i both have been heartened to kind of see this push um within conservatism i mean i i have been a

00:50:43.480 fan for a long time of a lot of things that ronald reagan did but i've also been able to look at his

00:50:48.680 presidency and his actions objectively to see that his actions the actions of george hw bush also kind

00:50:55.320 of got us in the position where we are with china um and kind of the grand vision of globalizing liberal

00:51:03.720 democracy uh just doesn't seem to be in alignment with reality or even potential reality in alignment with

00:51:11.960 possibility and the focus um on only economic prosperity and tax cuts and corporate tax cuts

00:51:21.400 and things like that well they do have their place and i do think that they can be important discussions

00:51:25.960 to have in my opinion they come so far below the importance of the culture war that you were talking

00:51:32.120 about and a lot of people like to brush the culture war off to the side that you know that's divisive

00:51:37.560 you certainly have um libertarians try to like redefine what it means to be based and to say oh

00:51:44.120 no we're not going to worry about those cultural moral issues we're just going to worry about you

00:51:49.800 know free market capitalism i'm just not i'm just not there i'm not saying that i don't care about

00:51:54.600 free market capitalism i just care so much more about the culture wars because in my opinion that's

00:52:00.600 what's going to affect my kids the most it's going to affect what they're learning the kind of life

00:52:04.920 that they can lead what is seen as normal what is seen as good and right and true that to me is a

00:52:10.440 much bigger battle and i agree with you i would like to see conservatives pushing that um a lot more

00:52:17.880 than they than they currently do but i'm not sure that we have many elected officials who are willing

00:52:23.080 to do that what do you think the test case right now is glenn youngkin glenn youngkin is kind of the test

00:52:29.560 case for this because because he just wanted he wanted campaign in a light blue state effectively

00:52:34.280 running on this platform i mean he made obviously critical race theory kind of education kind of

00:52:39.160 parental role over kind of woke educational bureaucrats that was his issue of all issues here

00:52:44.760 so i i think you know what we've seen right out of the gate from governor youngkin and his his attorney

00:52:50.440 general you know his attorney general on day one when sworn in kind of fired the entire existing

00:52:55.320 civil rights division in the attorney general's office in richmond virginia pretty pretty high energy

00:52:59.640 stuff so yeah that's going to be the test case there i think i think let's see what he does in

00:53:04.120 office look i mean not to like show for my young governor but i mean here in florida you know i

00:53:08.680 think governor de santis has been a a pretty decent model of that here i mean he hasn't look i mean

00:53:14.040 look as far as vaccine mandates he has banned kind of private sector vaccine mandates a lot of i think

00:53:18.680 kind of more like libertarian leaning republicans might say like oh let every business decide for

00:53:23.160 itself but again that that mistakes the nature of the threat the threat is not kind of like an

00:53:28.040 individual free enterprise threat right now the threat is this is this ideology that allows

00:53:33.400 people to subjugate the unvaxxed to allow people to subjugate on the basis of biomedical tyranny

00:53:39.400 exactly so you know whether it's critical race theory again here um he's kind of been like a great

00:53:45.720 example so i think at a state level what that agenda can look like but personally i'm gonna be

00:53:51.000 paying extremely close attention to what happens with glenn youngkin in virginia because he literally

00:53:55.960 won a a stunning victory in a light blue state a state that joe biden won by you know i think it

00:54:01.800 was like 11 or 12 points uh in 2020 he won running on this platform he literally ran on a culture war

00:54:08.760 platform so let's see what he does in office there but right out of the gate it's looking pretty good

00:54:13.160 there yeah you know i was obviously excited about his victory for a lot of reasons i was also a little

00:54:21.720 bit i was a little bit wary just looking into his background the carlisle group is very liberal

00:54:28.040 itself i mean it pushes the tenets of critical race theory very fiercely within its corporation and so

00:54:33.720 i you know i was like you know what maybe he just did what he had to to win but when it comes to action

00:54:38.920 once he gets in he's going to be far more moderate than um we want him to be as conservatives but you're

00:54:44.600 right right out the gate so far he has taken a lot of bold action and i i think it is completely fair to

00:54:50.520 give credit to ron de santis for kind of setting the standard um of really what conservatives want

00:54:58.040 their governance to look like and when i look at so kevin mccarthy gop leader in the house he says that

00:55:05.720 when republicans regain the house we'll get america on track by stopping the flow of drugs and human 0.99

00:55:10.120 trafficking on our border that's a good thing i think that's great making it easier to start and

00:55:14.360 grow a business in america also great re-establishing america's energy independence great passing a

00:55:21.080 parent's bill of rights i think that's excellent i would love a parent's bill of rights but there

00:55:25.400 are a lot of things missing there there are a lot of things missing i think one of the biggest things

00:55:30.200 that conservatives are concerned about are these vaccine mandates and the biomedical tyranny that you

00:55:35.400 just talked about and i'm like okay did he just leave that off the list did they not care are

00:55:40.200 they scared about that i mean what do you think is going on there so my good friend uh and podcast

00:55:47.400 co-host rachel bovard had a fantastic piece at the federalist kind of explaining where she thought

00:55:51.880 kevin mccarthy went off the rails in this talk in this kind of talking points or or bullet list here

00:55:56.920 and i think you know if i don't remember the exact phrase but i can kind of paraphrase what rachel said

00:56:00.680 she said that kevin mccarthy was just reiterating kind of the gop's talking points for her entire life

00:56:04.760 i mean look the parental bill of rights thing maybe it's like a little responsive to the critical

00:56:09.960 race theory national phenomenon that's that's kind of getting a little closer to what glenn

00:56:13.400 youngkin went on in the commonwealth of virginia but kevin mccarthy you know i look i mean i remember

00:56:18.920 when kevin mccarthy was one of the gop quote-unquote young guns i mean like there was they have this like

00:56:24.120 they have this young guns program he didn't he like co-write a book if i recall with paul ryan and

00:56:28.520 eric canter or it was the three of them they had a co-wrote a book together they were on the cover of

00:56:33.000 a book together they kind of came up together right and you know paul ryan um you know not

00:56:37.560 exactly kind of the front-facing spokesperson of the kind of conservatism that you and i are talking

00:56:42.280 about to put it mildly i mean he obviously is focused on um these set of issues that i think

00:56:47.080 you and i are talking about kind of putting to a second or tertiary concern there this kind of

00:56:52.040 economic policy wall street journal editorial board style issue so i don't think kevin mccarthy

00:56:56.920 in his core kind of intuits where the base of the party is or where the movement's kind

00:57:02.680 of as a matter of policy or political philosophy frankly needs to go i think that's what's happening

00:57:07.240 here at a higher more abstract level what i would encourage kind of the viewers your podcast to do

00:57:13.720 is to check out what governor de santis said in his state of the state address in tallahassee

00:57:17.880 last week here because he it was a pretty kind of fulsome you know 35 to 45 maybe even a little

00:57:22.840 longer 50 60 whatever minute speech where he kind of went through all the lindy of issues talking

00:57:27.320 about a lot of the issues that it seems like really do kind of motivate conservatives more than

00:57:31.480 kind of these stale 1980s style talking points kevin mccarthy's talking about i mean in his speech

00:57:36.520 last week de santis talked about kind of the imperative to fight urban anarchy and crime and

00:57:41.000 looting and homelessness in the streets he talked about kind of the need to kind of put like a a a

00:57:46.120 right of action for someone who has been banned from big tech to kind of get that platform access

00:57:50.200 back yet he obviously talked about his signature issue a lot which is kind of coveted in the biomedical

00:57:55.080 security state so i would encourage the listeners or viewers to kind of go back to his address

00:58:01.160 and kind of do like a little side by side comparison because i think it'll be quite telling

00:58:04.600 but kevin mccarthy look i've never i've never met the guy i don't pretend to know him but i mean he

00:58:10.520 he's never struck me as someone who is kind of a core republican voter i i mean you know not to like

00:58:16.520 play that card but he is like from california you kind of have to wonder at least a little bit whether

00:58:20.360 he's deeply in touch with kind of like the proverbial kind of like heartland median american voter but

00:58:25.480 um at a bare minimum to give him like a a modicum of credit look the parental bill of rights thing is

00:58:31.560 encouraging at least but a lot of those other talking points are just you know i mean energy

00:58:35.640 independence i mean look i want america i want america to be energy independent okay i mean i i

00:58:40.280 pay a lot at the pump for gas like most americans do these days but i i mean come on like that is just

00:58:46.040 seriously not like a top five issue right now and it's utterly it's ludicrous to suggest that it is

00:58:51.400 yeah i'm in agreement with you of course while we've talked a lot about ron desantis so if you

00:58:56.280 had the choice between ron desantis and trump in a primary who you going for um i'm obviously on

00:59:04.600 ron's team i mean i don't know if he's gonna challenge trump obviously i my guess is as good

00:59:08.840 as yours but um if if that's the mano a mano matchup i'm gonna vote for governor desantis yeah you

00:59:14.760 know i see a lot of people kind of going in that direction we'll see we'll see it's gonna

00:59:21.160 be a very interesting couple of years as it has been i mean it's just been non-stop for the past

00:59:27.960 several years and it's not slowing down anytime soon which is why i'm very thankful for you

00:59:32.600 and your voice and thank you so much for taking the time to come on i really appreciate your insight

00:59:37.480 thanks so much it was a pleasure thank you

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 17, 2022

Ep 549 ｜ Voter Suppression Propaganda, Islamist Terrorism & Muscular Conservatism ｜ Guest： Josh Hammer

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