Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 556 ｜ How Race Marxism Is Infiltrating Schools, Churches & the Government

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00:00:22.380 good ranchers.com slash ally all right today we are having a fascinating conversation with our

00:00:27.380 friend james lindsey he's got a new book out called race marxism we're talking about that but we're

00:00:33.180 talking about a lot more than that we are talking about the philosophical ideological roots of the

00:00:38.560 left wing in this country that we have not discussed before we've just we've discussed a lot of things

00:00:44.500 but today what we're analyzing we haven't talked about and we're talking about a lot of the things

00:00:49.640 going on in the news right now how that fits in to this ideology and we're also going to be talking

00:00:55.220 about theology and our differences there he is an atheist slash agnostic and i of course am a

00:01:02.840 christian and so it truly is such an interesting discussion and as i always say i could talk to him

00:01:09.620 for six hours and still not talk about all the things that i want to talk about he's just such

00:01:14.960 an interesting person i know you're going to learn a lot from this conversation i certainly did

00:01:19.500 so without further ado here is our friend james lindsey james thank you so much for joining us i'm

00:01:27.720 sure everyone at this point knows who you are you've been on here this is the third time you've been on

00:01:33.540 rogan three times as we were just talking about so most people know who you are but just in case

00:01:37.880 there are a few people who don't tell us who you are and what you do well i'm james yes that's true

00:01:44.740 james lindsey i write i do podcasts i own a company called new discourses the podcast is

00:01:51.940 creatively titled the new discourses podcast um that's where i put out most of my content now

00:01:56.940 in addition to you know books or whatever and lately i guess i'm like a speaker or something like

00:02:01.820 a phenomenon i'm invited everywhere all over the country to talk uh so i do a lot of that as well

00:02:08.420 so is that who i am that's who you are that's the real me yeah and why do you think that kind

00:02:14.720 of suddenly over the past year i would say especially even though your rise has been steady

00:02:18.380 for a while why do you think over the past year you have come in such high demand i got lucky enough

00:02:25.780 to study something that's happening to everybody that people are increasingly noticing is happening

00:02:31.360 to everybody and people are hungry for the truth and i don't hedge when i talk about it i just say what

00:02:37.480 i think and because it's such a strange situation you know just there's hunger real hunger for the

00:02:44.580 truth yeah and i think that's really what it is i say what i think i i take it seriously i don't come

00:02:50.380 out and just say oh the left this the woke that i go read their materials and i say this is what they

00:02:55.740 say this is what they mean by that this is why this is important and they aren't fooling around

00:02:59.780 they mean what they say yeah you know they say we want a revolution well they want one yeah i think

00:03:05.680 that your expertise is taking us back to the roots of the things that we hear about today that most

00:03:11.280 people assume are just new white privilege um white fragility the things that people are reading from

00:03:19.120 ibram x candy riots are the voice of the unheard this kind of excusing of violence on their side and

00:03:25.960 then castigating it when it comes from the other side all of this i think most people assume this is

00:03:30.840 just a product of our social media divided politically polarized age and it's unique to

00:03:37.060 2020 to 2022 and what you have taught us is that really this goes back a very long time not just to

00:03:44.220 the 1960s but even before even before that hundreds of years you really talk about the lineage the

00:03:50.960 philosophical lineage of things like critical race theory and i think that's what makes what you do so

00:03:56.460 interesting most people don't want to read those philosophers most people don't want to read that

00:04:01.320 history um and you break it down in a way that people really understand so if you can summarize take us

00:04:07.740 back a little bit so i mean the past couple years obviously have been very tense because of the riots

00:04:12.700 after george floyd and to everyone like i said that just seemed that just seemed to happen almost

00:04:17.700 in a vacuum kind of they were just so taken aback by it and everything you know 1619 project what

00:04:23.860 we're seeing and public school curriculums with critical race theory when did all of this start

00:04:28.680 how long has all of this been building i mean the idea is the philosophical ideas probably go back

00:04:34.600 you know thousands of years but um you know the kind of concerted push we're seeing in the west

00:04:41.980 really is a project that's a little over 100 years long which is the cultural marxist project so you

00:04:48.620 know i can't say cultural marxism and say it started there without saying well marx was obviously

00:04:53.300 relevant somehow as well but marx came up with a number of ideas uh you know and he had a number

00:05:00.200 of predictions about how things would go probably most pertinently he predicted that you know

00:05:05.400 capitalism would reach this kind of ripe stage and then the workers would realize their exploitation

00:05:10.780 and in realizing their exploitation they would come together and rise up and so you'd see the major

00:05:16.100 industrial centers turn socialist and then that didn't happen the russian revolution in 1917 comes

00:05:23.440 along and peasant society goes communist because the bolsheviks forced it to go communist everywhere

00:05:31.480 else it's tried they tried in hungary the hungarians are like we're not having this no and they like

00:05:36.740 four months later they beat the communists out of power and then berlin doesn't go communist london

00:05:43.600 doesn't go kind of paris doesn't go kind of new york you name it none of them went communist and so

00:05:48.680 you have these marxist thinkers in 1910s 1920s looking at this situation even in 1930 saying what

00:05:55.380 marx got something wrong what was it and they said well we got to look at the cultural side of things

00:06:00.260 we got to look at a cultural economy because the cultural economy is somehow propping up the material

00:06:05.600 economy and so a whole new branch of marxist thought came into being um that really focused on the way

00:06:12.560 that cultural institutions create kind of a force field that keeps out revolutionary change

00:06:17.120 and over the course of the 30s and 40s the so-called frankfurt school uh institute for social research

00:06:23.620 which by the way was originally going to be named the institute for marxism but i guess they thought

00:06:27.200 it was a little too on the nose and so they backed off and called the institute for social research as

00:06:31.900 they do they hide everything they do and like lies so true tricky language and so it comes along and it's

00:06:38.140 looking at the situation he says well the working class has had a bunch of labor reforms and they're

00:06:43.060 happy we have a stable middle class now most of them are conservative they're in fact counter-revolutionary

00:06:49.100 even when they're not conservative they just want to go to work earn a fair reasonable living in a

00:06:55.040 reasonably safe working environment and buy their corvette and wash it on saturday and enjoy their little

00:07:02.120 you know their little neighborhood house and their barbecues and their maybe they play golf a couple

00:07:07.420 times a month or whatever it is they like to do people actually like that and they like being free

00:07:12.000 and so they the these frankfurt school critical marxists they're called or critical theorists

00:07:18.180 stared at this and they said well the problem is that the working class stabilizes itself

00:07:23.060 what on earth you know we know that there's something going on with culture but we also see

00:07:27.220 that the working class is a terrible revolutionary force because it agitates for change the change

00:07:32.280 comes in small parts and then they're stable and they become counter-revolutionary it's like a

00:07:37.260 self-defeating program that marx had actually laid out what are we going to do and they said oh i know

00:07:42.780 identity politics that's where some real energy is they're looking at the black you know this is

00:07:47.480 what mid 20th century at this point yeah 50s 1960s the i mean they first conceived of the idea that a

00:07:54.100 critical theory had to address the fact that the working class stabilizes itself by about the late

00:07:58.420 1930s 37 38 by the 50s and 60s they started to figure out that going after consumer culture

00:08:05.600 and trying to just badger people for liking things that they like wasn't going to work so basically

00:08:10.700 they realized as you said that the working class stabilizes itself and isn't actually in need of some

00:08:16.480 kind of liberating revolution in order to get better wages in order to have a free life that

00:08:26.760 they like to gain the security that they're looking for yeah um now some people would also say well

00:08:34.060 that's actually thanks to um that's actually thanks to some left-wing movements that's thanks to the

00:08:41.500 policies of fdr or that's thanks to the unions and so they would say even if it wasn't marxism that

00:08:48.420 helped the working class in the mid 20th century it was still the left wing of american politics that

00:08:54.980 helped stabilize the working class in the united states would you agree with that or would you say

00:08:59.600 that they're i mean because that's different than saying that they're self-stabilizing which is what

00:09:03.160 you argue sure sure um yes it's generally correct when when i say self self-stabilizing a lot of these

00:09:10.840 people actually and this is a thing that a lot of people don't understand about how movements actually

00:09:14.520 work the these people who are the workers they don't just automatically self-stabilize they started to

00:09:19.720 agitate for change they joined labor movements they got involved in unions yeah it does come down to

00:09:24.180 things that fdr put into place etc because there were some real reforms that were needed at the

00:09:29.060 level of you know preventing terrible exploitation of workers for example uh if you've read the jungle

00:09:36.460 upton sinclair you know you can hear you can see just how horrible the meatpacking industry was

00:09:41.640 until that book forced people to even though it was fiction forced people to actually and he was a

00:09:47.460 socialist forced them to go look at uh what's really going on in the meatpacking industry and then it was

00:09:53.560 horrible you know it was actually terrible and so then all of a sudden they started to work on these

00:09:57.860 reforms so yeah left-wing movements achieve this but what happens is a lot of people you know think

00:10:04.700 that leftism means that you just have to keep going left right and or these movements want to just keep

00:10:11.740 going left but the thing is no there was there was a there's a left side that was very wrapped up in

00:10:16.260 marxist so labor movements and these workers joined those movements not specifically necessarily

00:10:23.260 because they were left or right but because they were agitating for the things they needed they got

00:10:27.440 the things they needed and then they said okay we got what we wanted and they got out and so this is

00:10:31.760 the thing a lot of people fail to appreciate movements aren't meant to go on forever if they're

00:10:35.980 actually you know goal oriented the problem with outright leftism or marxism is that it doesn't have

00:10:42.440 in fact not only does it not have a limiting principle i was gonna say it doesn't have a

00:10:45.840 limiting principle like that oh we got what we want let's get out of the game no they just want

00:10:49.200 more left yeah that's they don't have anything in specific that they want they want more left to get

00:10:54.380 to super left revolution and that's a different goal than you know no i just want my job to not suck

00:11:01.180 yeah you know and so what you have is is these people that are hard on the left have this like

00:11:09.040 hardcore vision that most of the people who end up helping them you know in their movement don't

00:11:15.800 want and then eventually leave we see this also with the feminists there's you know there's a very

00:11:19.460 marxist and the very radical feminists through the say 50s and 60s and 70s and then there are

00:11:24.460 these very liberal feminists who are just like no i want to be able to get my own bank account i want

00:11:28.660 to be able to be treated as an equal i want to be able to work if i want to work i want to be able

00:11:31.820 to stay home if i want to stay home i just want to be treated you know equally as a person and make

00:11:36.320 my own decisions and then you know a lot of these reforms came through and the radical feminists and

00:11:41.340 the marxist feminists are still pissed off doing whatever feminist things they do whereas most

00:11:45.900 women are like cool we're free like we got what we wanted and they've moved on with their lives

00:11:50.620 and you know girl power but let's like not take it too seriously the problem is that leftism

00:11:56.060 is really almost and i mean it's really like an intense religion yeah and most people aren't there for

00:12:05.680 that they aren't there for this you know have a revolution for society program so yeah left-wing

00:12:12.140 movements did i mean that the labor movement was largely a left-wing movement and it achieved some

00:12:17.580 things that were valuable it achieved some things that got brought in as riders that are problems yeah

00:12:22.780 and of course we see we see that now we actually see when you kind of pair the standard what used to

00:12:30.220 be standard you know agenda for the democratic party which was pro-working class pro-labor now i

00:12:36.380 would push back against someone who said that fdr's policies were really what brought us out of the

00:12:41.160 depression and were really great i think we would probably agree uh agree with that but it is kind of

00:12:47.820 the wedding of the radical leftist ideology with that kind of standard democratic agenda that we see

00:12:54.240 for example the danger of the teachers unions today they've kind of wed those two things and

00:13:00.420 it's become so powerful and so ideological and so religious that it really like you said it really

00:13:06.560 can't even be described as a political movement anymore so can you talk a little bit more about

00:13:11.520 that when did when did that start to happen was it the 1960s that the democratic party really started

00:13:16.680 to move to the left or leftism started moving to the left you know the there have always been these

00:13:22.060 kind of elements there you know fdr obviously is before then and woodwell wilson is before that

00:13:28.000 and they had some very you know the progressive era going back to wilson becomes kind of really

00:13:34.000 relevant because it laid a lot of the tracks upon which the leftist train has been running ever since

00:13:39.100 you know wilson was an outright hegelian progressive he openly was and we see all kinds of changes that

00:13:49.780 kind of got swept in during his era so you know we could go all the way back there to i mean that's

00:13:56.640 when even when for example we since you brought up the nea or the teachers unions that's when compulsory

00:14:02.120 public education became a thing in the united states and so in the space in which that occurred

00:14:08.080 immediately progressive reformers as they're called or social reformers or school reformers

00:14:12.600 came in john dewey and was it something thorndyke marshall thorndyke something like this

00:14:17.680 get involved immediately you know in the kind of school reform movement and all of a sudden there's

00:14:23.220 this attempt to start twisting and these guys are straight out of the communist party or connected

00:14:28.500 straight to the communist party usa there's this attempt to start kind of warming this stuff in so

00:14:33.940 what you have to understand like with a democratic party etc is that the marxism it sounds so bad to

00:14:39.700 say this i don't want to give off some like demagogue vibes but the function of it is actually very parasitical

00:14:46.840 and so i'm not saying that marxists are parasites but it's very parasitical in its approach it looks for

00:14:53.640 some opening whether that's going to be this kind of compulsory public education and then it

00:15:00.380 kind of starts worming its way in and changing the policy slowly from within creating what antonio

00:15:06.360 gramsci referred to as a counter hegemony from within that's that cultural marxist turn and um

00:15:11.600 you see this with the teachers unions as well the teachers unions have had this kind of colored history

00:15:15.980 back and forth as long as this has been going where sometimes they're a little bit less crazy and

00:15:20.160 sometimes they're a little bit more crazy in the 70s they at the very beginning of the 70s they were

00:15:24.760 getting latched onto the whole kind of what we would recognize as like white fragility thing it wasn't

00:15:29.460 called white fragility then it was white awareness um but the the there's a there was a professor named

00:15:34.620 patricia bydahl at the time who was writing the first books that were claiming that whiteness

00:15:40.760 operates like a form of schizophrenia and you know you're either with us or against us you're either

00:15:46.020 racist or anti-racist things people associate with kendi today and that was written in 1970 and it

00:15:52.020 was funded by the nea the nea actually funded patricia bydahl putting together a she had her book she

00:16:00.160 wrote in 70 and by 73 they had one that she brought out for um schools specifically and the nea paid for

00:16:07.040 it if you get a copy of it which is very hard to get a copy of and i can't remember the title to tell

00:16:10.900 you to go look it up right now racism and education or something like this if you look in the you know

00:16:16.040 paid for by the national national education association going on for so much longer than most

00:16:21.060 people have realized certainly longer than i've realized what made all of this take root now like

00:16:26.420 why is your standard even i would say republican open to reading ibromax kendi or certainly my

00:16:34.780 friends who have considered themselves conservative christians after george floyd i mean it's like they

00:16:40.260 became at least for a couple months full-on progressives talking about anti-racism and the

00:16:45.660 dangers of white privilege and how they were going to raise their little toddlers to understand their

00:16:50.420 privilege and to deny their whiteness i mean that obviously didn't happen i don't think among

00:16:56.400 you know your standard moderate american in the 1960s and 70s even though these ideas were

00:17:03.060 percolating so what happened between then and now to make this mainstream to the point where it's

00:17:09.700 dominating our political institutions but also our corporations and even some of our churches

00:17:14.000 so this is a um when i i said they're very parasitical they they work their way into opportunities

00:17:20.380 whether it's the school reform movement whether you're talking about marxists marxists yes marxists

00:17:25.580 marxists work their way in and they slow the the cultural marxist turn that we see you know

00:17:30.860 following people like gramsci following things like the frankfurt school is actually to slowly get

00:17:35.380 inside of an institution whether that's a school whether it's a family whether it's a church whether

00:17:40.440 that's the country overall whether it's a particular government agency what like say the department of

00:17:46.060 education or whatever is to get in it and very slowly tweak one little thing at a time

00:17:51.420 almost imperceptibly the goal like if it was you know if if you have a tick you don't feel the

00:17:57.740 tick you can crawl up your leg and you don't even feel it on you it can bite you you don't even feel

00:18:02.620 it it's got you know techniques and poisons or whatever it is that make it do that they they actually

00:18:08.460 are very subtle like that there's an old saying there's another group called the called the fabian

00:18:12.480 socialists which you maybe have heard of founded in 1844 probably the reason by the way that george

00:18:18.420 called his book 1984 because a century of the fabians uh creep but that one of their emblems

00:18:25.200 was a turtle and it says you know something like to to build up slowly and then hit hard all at once

00:18:32.780 and so they've slowly demoralized slowly watered down slowly poisoned the way that we look at things

00:18:41.680 they've slowly caused people over the course of 50 years at least to question that america that

00:18:49.840 americans can feel proud to just say yeah america is good it's like even you'll find a lot of people

00:18:56.020 will say even though they feel a little cringe to say something like that and that little bit of

00:18:59.960 cringe it's a little bit of poison has worked its way in so thoroughly and then through the say the

00:19:05.380 political correctness movements that they've done with language they've slowly tailored it to where you

00:19:10.900 well there are these rules about how you have to speak about things you can't say this you can't

00:19:14.820 say that you have to try to find a polite way to say things you've always got to stay respectable or

00:19:19.840 we're going to pounce on you very vigorously you know with the media that you said something very

00:19:24.020 coarse and we're going to tie you to racism and we're going to tie you to sexism we're going to tie

00:19:28.280 you to exploitation and it's not even really just respectable i mean that's what they want you to

00:19:32.340 think that political correctness is but uh it is actually sometimes a denial of reality like when

00:19:41.080 it comes to using particular pronouns that's they say that that's just respectful you'll just be

00:19:46.040 respectful but obviously it is a denial of that which is actually true but i think it starts with

00:19:53.480 people just saying well i'm just being kind i'm just being polite i'm just being respectful and no

00:19:58.520 one wants to be a jerk no one wants to purposely be a jerk but then it gets to the point where we

00:20:02.740 are now to where we if i do not call a man who is obviously a man a she and a woman then that's not

00:20:10.160 being respectful and actually they bring it to the point of where if you misgender as they say uh

00:20:16.380 someone if you don't call this man a woman then you are perpetuating suicide you're killing these

00:20:21.800 people yeah of course of course they tie it to these really horrible things uh you know you can

00:20:26.340 either have a trans kid or a dead kid you know they put these horrible like false dichotomies on

00:20:32.020 you and associate associate with the worst kind of evil before this it was fascism every if you

00:20:37.620 didn't do what they said they would call you a fascist and that's still happening like the these

00:20:46.540 poor truckers in canada who are pushing for freedom they're being called a fascist convoy by people who i

00:20:53.380 guess don't know what fascism is i don't know there was that whole political cartoon where the guy drew

00:20:57.100 the trucks and just wrote fascism on the side of every truck that's ridiculous right and and so this

00:21:02.000 is what they do though it's it's this game of very slowly smearing and demoralizing and then when they

00:21:07.920 feel like the conditions are sufficient then they pounce and so it feels like it comes all at once

00:21:13.620 because they don't act until they think that the structure has been rotted out enough to where it'll

00:21:18.620 collapse if they hit it what does pouncing look like in your analogy well i mean when george floyd

00:21:23.160 died there was the pouncing came very quickly you were super racist if you didn't do literally

00:21:27.580 everything they said including you know tolerate riots tolerate arson bail people out of jail for

00:21:33.420 engaging in riots and arson putting you know all of the the social media behavior like you were

00:21:40.580 supposed to say these things or say those things and if you didn't say those things you know somebody

00:21:44.980 and your family would probably text you and say you're not being compassionate enough and

00:21:48.820 something would get twisted on you you know and um you have to give money we're gonna make lists at

00:21:54.680 your employment at your job we're now we're gonna have diversity you know offices everywhere remember

00:21:59.540 after george floyd died how quickly this crazy boilerplate that was virtually identical appeared in

00:22:06.520 literally like every university every corporate board out of out of nowhere they pounced yeah those

00:22:14.360 materials were large like you know largely prepared in advance for such a moment and then disseminated

00:22:22.880 very quickly by who by these big foundations that produces stuff kind of endlessly waiting for their

00:22:27.720 moment and so all of a sudden you know they had assessed that there was enough you know dry tinder on

00:22:34.040 the ground george floyd died the spark dropped and they you know now it's like fan the flames fan the

00:22:39.860 flames as wide as possible and to people who would say though and i guess this will get into your to

00:22:46.280 your book um who would say well you know what's wrong with that george floyd that incident really

00:22:51.080 happened that really was terrible it really was emblematic of you know systemic racism and white

00:22:56.480 supremacy in the united states so what's wrong with these corporations taking a stand against racism

00:23:00.240 and committing to diversity isn't that completely innocuous why are you against diversity james

00:23:05.100 because it's communist um diversity is communist yes diver all their words mean communism every word

00:23:11.740 you pick a word we can get to communism but what you're saying is what they mean by diversity is

00:23:16.640 communism not that actual diversity of course see this is the thing is you you can't fall for the

00:23:21.860 trick of using their language um on terms that haven't been clearly defined so now if i i don't even

00:23:29.940 if i think a word has been captured i don't use the word except ironically and in their way

00:23:35.280 so and i do so you know viciously to criticize it i don't use the word misinformation anymore because

00:23:39.880 that word's been captured i don't yeah i suppose there is any any language left if we're not using

00:23:46.540 any of the words that are captured or can we use the words that they use and use them in the way that

00:23:52.060 is real it's hard to it's while the capturing still exists you can't do anything with it because

00:23:59.640 there's always ambiguity about what's meant and that ambiguity is set up to always advantage

00:24:04.780 the marxists every single time so why am i against diversity because what diversity means is somebody who

00:24:11.820 has the uh critical consciousness the awakened consciousness of their um their the way that the

00:24:20.120 structural forces of society whether it's systemic racism or whatever that they believe structure

00:24:24.620 society that those systemic forces have created a unique set of character they call it the unique

00:24:31.380 voice of color as a matter of fact and so diversity means that you are awakened to saying what say

00:24:36.460 critical race theory says you're supposed to say about being whatever race you are so if you're white

00:24:41.320 that means there's no positive white identity if you're black that means that you're politically black

00:24:45.560 as nicole henna jones had it or if you want like ayanna presley said we don't want any more

00:24:49.880 black and brown faces who don't want to be black and brown voices what's she talking about she's

00:24:54.200 talking about that you are somebody who speaks the politics that's supposed to be right for that

00:25:00.520 identity and supposed to be is defined by being a critical race theorist because they believe that

00:25:06.020 everything is structurally determined and so what does that make a diversity person well in ibram

00:25:11.860 kendi's exact words a formally trained expert on racism in other words a critical race theorist

00:25:16.820 in other words in older language a commisar because his definition of racism is not prejudice

00:25:22.460 against someone because of their skin color it is a it is any policy i think how did he define racism

00:25:28.880 racism is racism is racism and a racist that's right it's racism is racism when it's racist by a racist

00:25:35.140 that's really what it comes down to um he said that it was when you have racist outcomes determined

00:25:40.860 by racist policy put in place by racist people well only by white people he doesn't believe that a

00:25:45.260 black or brown person can be racist i don't know because um uh larry elder ran for governor and the

00:25:51.320 la times said that he was the black face of white supremacy yeah and then dave chappelle made jokes

00:25:56.000 about trans people on his special and they said that he uses white privilege to make those but that

00:26:00.360 actually goes exactly to the point that you are making that those people you know i think that

00:26:06.440 they would say that i i think that they would say those two things at the same time i think that

00:26:10.860 ibram x kindy would say a black or brown person maybe he would say can't actually be racist because

00:26:17.320 racism is prejudice plus power and only white people have power you know that whole thing but at the

00:26:22.240 same time they would say that someone like larry elder isn't actually black so because larry elder

00:26:28.500 isn't actually black he's actually what he's functionally white yeah because he can be racist

00:26:34.360 um and so it sounds crazy but you know decoding what they're saying it does kind of make sense in

00:26:42.900 some kind of convoluted way since you brought up the privilege plus power or no prejudice plus power

00:26:47.900 definition by the way that also was patricia bydal the woman who was funded by the nea 1970s that's

00:26:54.760 she came up with that and the adl the uh uh the is it the adl that just came out with a new

00:27:02.340 uh definition of racism the anti-defamation defamation league yeah you know it was prejudiced

00:27:09.400 against someone because of the skin color now it is like a system of oppression against people of

00:27:14.320 color only by white people yeah exactly if you actually look up the definition of race used by

00:27:19.020 critical race theory it says that it's you know a characterization created by white people

00:27:23.040 originally from europe that holds themselves up as the archetype of humanity so that they the white

00:27:27.620 race so that they can oppress other people it really that's their definition of race it's all like

00:27:33.060 that they have all these self-serving definitions that you don't know are happening i say it all the

00:27:38.180 time on twitter communists share your vocabulary but they don't share your dictionary they have

00:27:43.640 completely different meanings so back to your other question though why does it matter if

00:27:48.120 corporations see the george floyd incident and want to do that it doesn't

00:27:52.620 what's weird is when all of them are doing it all at the same time with almost like copy pasta

00:27:59.140 boilerplate and then every university saying the same thing and the government is saying the same

00:28:03.960 thing it is nothing natural is happening when myriad people across all kinds of walks of life

00:28:11.180 are all saying and doing exactly the same thing and this kind of weird like if if we took some of

00:28:16.720 that boilerplate and read it in a chant everybody would recognize this is a cult this is really weird

00:28:21.940 but yeah when you read it as it is you know you realize this doesn't say anything really and

00:28:27.700 except there are these key words now commit to equity yada yada yada which by the way also means

00:28:32.700 socialism yeah and so it's what's weird is that there was no there was no diversity whatsoever in

00:28:39.380 the response to this uh there was no critical thought allowed and if anybody attempted to it either got

00:28:45.000 drowned off media or you got bullied or people got screamed at fists in their face you know screaming at

00:28:50.980 there's that iconic image of the the young woman who supported black lives matter by the way sitting

00:28:55.460 at a table it was she's like i just don't want to raise my fist because you're making me and they

00:28:59.220 freaked out on her you know there's so yeah it was there was this was what you said you what does it

00:29:03.960 look like when they pounce they pounced everything had to be that from every direction everywhere all at

00:29:10.520 once and that was sustained for as long as they could sustain it and it was totally justified

00:29:16.620 and defended even by people that i know and respect they at the very least so after the george floyd thing

00:29:24.220 happened lots of you know i'm very in you know christian white woman instagram world i see it i see

00:29:32.220 how they react to things and even the ones who would say they would definitely say because i don't think

00:29:37.000 that they are they would say i'm not a marxist are you kidding me i don't believe in marxism i don't

00:29:41.060 believe in communism i'm conservative like you but they'll post the black square they'll talk about

00:29:46.140 anti-racism they'll repost a story about uh border patrol agents whipping migrants they'll always

00:29:53.500 go with the left-wing narrative of something especially when it comes to race because they

00:29:58.760 have white guilt themselves but they'll say they're conservative they'll say they're conservative

00:30:02.960 evangelical and they're not progressive christians and whatever but they will never post the other

00:30:09.220 side of the story um while still just you know defending themselves as completely apolitical

00:30:16.020 and completely neutral but they would call someone like me on the conservative side they would

00:30:20.340 never repost me or like one of my posts or agree with something i say but they would be much quicker

00:30:26.260 to defend an outright communist i think and a racial marxist um on their views even though they

00:30:33.420 consider themselves conservative it's just wild to watch that's the two things there that's the

00:30:38.740 demoralization people don't know how to feel like a good person in that bullying campaign that

00:30:43.900 comes along with it and so they go along with it because they they you know they kind of think

00:30:48.820 maybe there's something to that and they haven't really thought about it a lot then they're just

00:30:52.640 going to kind of go with it because the bullying campaign is obvious and everybody else is doing

00:30:56.700 to it racist you know race there are racists there like there's people who are racist and they have

00:31:01.860 friends who said well i've been followed around in a store whatever and so because of that empathy

00:31:06.860 which i would love to hear you talk about empathy um that's really the thing because of empathy

00:31:12.220 they have to post the black square they have to say that they're reading ibram x candy right the

00:31:15.980 funny thing was is there was actually nothing racist whatsoever as far as i can tell about the

00:31:20.560 george floyd incident there was except that the one the cop was white and the victim was black

00:31:25.560 and that's all you need in their formula yeah exactly and so um you know who's who's projecting

00:31:32.980 racism into the situation it becomes a question at that point uh but yeah the weaponized empathy

00:31:38.640 lack of understanding what words mean because they've been made ambiguous they mean multiple

00:31:42.520 things at multiple times depending on you know who's using them and for what purposes but with

00:31:47.980 empathy you know a lot of people get their heart out in front of their head um we need a heart we

00:31:54.400 need to have that care but you know you've everybody could think of kind of an example of somebody who

00:32:01.820 just kind of you know comical kind of television sort of scene where somebody's trying to help and

00:32:07.500 they're flailing around trying to help and they're doing all the wrong things because all they want

00:32:12.180 to do is help but they don't actually know how to help or they haven't taken time to slow down and

00:32:16.980 assess the situation and do something that's appropriate for the situation so there's this kind

00:32:21.260 of um you know very emotionally driven empathy and then which is very instinctual and it happens very

00:32:29.000 fast and you feel like you know something must be done i have to care and that's so important or

00:32:34.500 maybe i just do care but then there's there's kind of head driven empathy which is kind of goal

00:32:39.240 driven or results oriented empathy like something maybe is wrong i don't know maybe something is wrong

00:32:46.120 in in the country with policing i am suspicious this has been a hard driven narrative by marxist

00:32:52.100 organizations for a while so i'm suspicious of the facts but we should take a look and we should start

00:32:59.980 saying well if there is this kind of pervasive problem what does it actually look like what

00:33:04.480 do the data say you know what are real solutions how do we kind of a b test potential solutions and

00:33:10.360 see see what the outcomes are and start picking solutions at work to whatever problem may actually

00:33:16.640 be how do you start to bridge the gap of lack of trust between these kind of inner city predominantly

00:33:23.340 black communities or neighborhoods and the police who feel like they have to police them in particular

00:33:28.440 ways particularly harder and maybe is there racism there and what can be done to bridge that trust

00:33:32.820 these are things that you know kind of goal-oriented thoughtful empathy like i care about this issue and i

00:33:38.960 want it resolved not i care about this issue and somebody said this is the thing to do so i have to do this

00:33:44.840 and it reminds me of something that you know and we actually haven't talked about critical race theory

00:33:54.480 in a little bit we kind of took a little bit of a break because we were talking about it so much but

00:33:58.340 something that we say a lot is by thomas soul that uh disparities in themselves are not proof of

00:34:07.680 discrimination and i think that's where this empathy piece comes in for people that you see these gaps

00:34:15.340 this is what people on the left do by the way it's a little bit of a rhetorical trick they say

00:34:19.820 well why are black people you know being shot by the police at a higher rate than white people or

00:34:26.300 why are they less likely to graduate from high school why are they on average poorer than white or

00:34:31.560 they actually they probably won't even mention asian they'll just say then then white white americans and

00:34:36.520 so you look at all of these gaps and uh then someone fills in those gaps by saying well those gaps can

00:34:44.300 only be because of discrimination right and if you're on the other side of that especially if

00:34:50.180 you're a white person you don't want to argue with a black person who says that those gaps those

00:34:55.520 disparities are because of discrimination especially when they say they do this trick too and this has

00:35:00.720 happened to me because i've said well that's not disparities aren't proof of discrimination there

00:35:05.060 could be so many other factors that are playing in there they'll say oh so it's you know it's our fault

00:35:11.700 so you're saying it's some innate characteristic that's causing these disparities and actually

00:35:15.820 thomas soul debunked that like back in the 1980s and so it's a conversation that's been going on for

00:35:20.440 a long time but you could see how your average person especially your average white person who

00:35:24.880 wants to be empathetic when you hear from a black person well these are the reasons for the disparities

00:35:29.240 you don't want to argue against that and say well what does the data say is that really true that

00:35:33.780 it's because of discrimination then you really seem like a bigot and a racist and no one wants to be that

00:35:38.240 well you seem like you're uncaring and then that gets transformed into bigotry and racism uh and

00:35:44.960 it these manipulations are are extremely subtle like a lot of the people that are doing the

00:35:50.000 manipulations don't even necessarily know that they're engaging in what boils down to a moral

00:35:53.720 extortion racket which is what that is that was a moral extortion racket being put on you you say

00:36:00.040 there's a problem you think you know you've offered there so we'll take for granted that the

00:36:05.540 problem is real and exists maybe it doesn't maybe it doesn't let's take for granted that it does

00:36:09.600 and then you've offered an interpretation of that problem and you don't have to actually deny the

00:36:14.060 problem to deny the interpretation exactly and so we're often wrong our interpretations of what's

00:36:18.720 going on are frequently wrong every time anybody's ever got food poisoning they tend to they're like oh i

00:36:24.060 must ate some bad chicken or whatever and chances were it was a salad bar that's a classically known

00:36:29.060 thing because it's not cooked and so you know we don't really know our interpretations are not always

00:36:35.640 that great um and so we should be questioning each other's interpretations and data are the best way to

00:36:41.660 resolve those questions but these manipulations are extremely subtle and by the way ibram kendi is

00:36:46.400 directly has has called directly for reversing that mentality he in his in 2019 he wrote an essay or

00:36:54.500 paragraph really for for politico how do you fix inequality and he says that we should have an

00:36:59.900 anti-racist constitutional amendment and the second of the two principles that he says that should be

00:37:06.040 in that constitutional amendment is that inequity or differences in outcomes she'll be taken as proof

00:37:13.000 of discrimination right as so that's the only possible explanation now you can see that this is going

00:37:17.940 to be a disaster in the making if that's what you're actually going to do is always boil it down to

00:37:23.240 you you know the explanation for whatever happened in advance um and then it's something very sensitive

00:37:28.960 like racism that you can inflame people and you can get people i don't want to be associated with

00:37:32.940 racism so i'm not going to argue it's a very subtle and nasty manipulation um and just it's just to put

00:37:39.980 it in really simple terms so people understand it's basically saying if you earned five dollars and i

00:37:44.600 own earned two dollars for the same job the assumption has to be that it's because of sexism or some

00:37:50.840 unfair you know form of discrimination when really it could be that i don't have as much education as you

00:37:57.160 or i didn't do the job as well or i didn't take as many hours to do it whatever it is um and you see

00:38:01.840 the same thing actually in feminism when it comes to the wage gap even though when you control for all

00:38:07.660 factors men and women have no wage gap between them for the same job um but when you don't control

00:38:13.820 for the factors women do make 79 cents on a dollar because we work less we work fewer hours uh we tend

00:38:21.460 to not want to take the job that is you know um as trying as the job as a man would take and so you

00:38:30.580 see this really across leftist talking points yeah and so what you actually are what we see in general

00:38:36.400 is actually a denial of responsibility or accountability for failed left-wing policy

00:38:43.120 that's kind of the underlying theme of all of it you know all granted there's also marxist

00:38:48.980 manipulation but if we're trying to be a little bit like less they're communists about everything

00:38:54.100 what's going on you know what for example with race what causes what actually causes a lot of these

00:38:59.620 these issues these differences and outcomes the data actually are not equivocal on this the it's not

00:39:05.780 totally 100 of the explanation but a huge proportion and i don't know the statistic but a very large

00:39:11.820 proportion of it comes down to do you have a stable two family or two-parent household and in a stable

00:39:17.060 neighborhood yeah and so so that moves the question back well why don't you have those right why are why is

00:39:23.240 there such a huge disproportionate uh disproportionality by racial group in that particular uh domain

00:39:31.900 and you know the the great society maybe it was well intended but in some of the programs that they

00:39:38.300 installed were certainly of some benefit but of others they were wrong-headed and they should have

00:39:43.660 been short-term or never implemented at all and you see very clearly and if you talk to you know

00:39:49.660 people who've studied you know american history of of blacks through the desegregation period through the

00:39:57.520 civil rights era and on both sides of it what you see is that's where the policies that they put into

00:40:02.360 place decimated the family and the decimation of the family led to the decimation of neighborhoods

00:40:08.680 yeah and the black family used to be extremely strong it was the backbone that let before the

00:40:14.340 1960s the divorce rate was lower and or the fatherlessness rate was lower among black americans

00:40:20.180 there was they were very very pro-family and then some bad policy got put into place but that policy

00:40:26.860 was put forth by democrats and therefore and in the name of equity because you know they still saw okay

00:40:33.240 there's these gaps of outcome when it comes to income or when it comes to education and so we're

00:40:39.120 going to fill those gaps with government programs and as you're saying actually disincentivized

00:40:44.460 um family togetherness because as the government does i mean talk about parasitical it is taking

00:40:52.300 the power of the family which is the incubator of liberty and of values and of all of these things and

00:40:57.980 it's replacing it with something that really can't replace it effectively that's and one thing that

00:41:03.680 also people don't really point out if you're looking at the fatherlessness rate among black americans and

00:41:09.640 white americans starting in like the 1940s to today even though starting in the 1960s um the black

00:41:16.720 fatherlessness rate uh went up at a faster rate than the white fatherlessness rate both went up starting

00:41:24.420 in the 1960s so if because like you said when you okay fatherlessness we know is one reason for teen

00:41:32.720 delinquency and a lot of different things that are plaguing any community that has a rampant

00:41:38.780 fatherlessness but the left would peel that back and they would say no it's not because of the great

00:41:43.620 society and lbj and these government programs it's because of mass incarceration in the 70s and 80s and

00:41:49.540 that's really what led to fatherless fatherlessness in the black community so it's right-wing policies

00:41:54.300 whatever but again if that's if that's the case for black americans then what is the reason behind

00:42:02.240 white fatherlessness uh also increasing at a very quick rate starting in the 1960s but they never

00:42:11.080 want to meddle with those kinds of inconvenient facts well they don't want to bring up the fact

00:42:16.380 that the answer to the question is the f word feminism the feminism and uh i mean that quite seriously

00:42:24.520 one of the more interesting things that i had when i was reading you know i started to talk about the

00:42:29.020 birth of the identity politics into the marxism earlier and so we're looking at this big black

00:42:33.820 liberation movement the black nationalism movement these things were huge in the 60s um and then an

00:42:40.040 offshoot of this was black feminism and if you actually go read the black feminist writings from

00:42:45.780 say the 1970s the combahee river collective statement for example has it explicitly in there they start

00:42:52.000 talking about how they and this is the where the birthplace of intersectionality is also by the way

00:42:56.220 they talk about how they need to start like the the big issue that they have is that the black men

00:43:03.260 don't want anything to do with feminism they're they're you know they're like no you're not going

00:43:07.460 to have that and you know basically you're not going to be some uppity woman and mess everything up and

00:43:12.900 in the combahee river collective statement which is really the first kind of manifesto of a black of

00:43:19.140 marxist black feminism what you see is there they it's a it's like a five page manifesto and they take a

00:43:25.880 they have one thing they really quote and what they quote is you know look how terrible these

00:43:31.040 you know black nationalist movements are for the way that they view women and it's this very you know

00:43:37.080 you know i am the man you are the woman you're not busting up our family with your feminism we're

00:43:42.340 going to keep the family together the family is the core of of you know the the black community

00:43:48.040 etc etc and they're like this is terrible and so these black feminists were saying the black feminists

00:43:53.380 were saying this is terrible which reminds me so much of blm because people don't realize that blm

00:43:57.620 is was really founded not on you know wanting to preserve black lives but really it's founded upon

00:44:04.760 that queer feminist radical feminist ideology that seeks the breakdown of the family that's why they

00:44:12.900 didn't mention fathers when they were talking about black communities and black families on their

00:44:16.540 website yeah and so i mean there's there's so much there that you know it's pretty well known that

00:44:24.360 young men are fairly reckless unless they have something that they're working for the highest

00:44:30.140 rates of violence etc are men 16 to 25 um p.s you should look at their testosterone levels with the

00:44:37.180 age and testosterone makes you crazy uh you know the roid rage thing or whatever is something people

00:44:42.960 talk about and when you create situations to where they're not able to be building toward a family

00:44:50.040 you're going to see increases in criminality you're going to see increases in all kinds of

00:44:54.280 you know uh anti-social behaviors and so you have this kind of self-fulfilling

00:44:59.540 wheel of destruction going on in in circumstances like that but you also had this strong movement of

00:45:05.200 feminists saying to the point where the the to the to the black nationalists were like stop you know

00:45:11.800 no y'all are a problem trying to break up this idea of the of the two-parent

00:45:19.620 yeah household and the government just made that easier by saying okay well we'll take care of you

00:45:25.880 we'll take care of you and if you have children um you know without being married then we'll give you

00:45:32.640 more money and if you have children from different fathers we'll give you even more money like yeah and

00:45:37.460 those incentive structures lead to bad decision making so now you have these guys who aren't working

00:45:42.060 channeling that energy into building you know the best stable home situation that they can because

00:45:50.020 baby mama threw them out and maybe for good or bad reasons maybe you know they were a jerk who knows

00:45:55.540 but you're not channeling that energy anymore and so you can see how this becomes kind of a vicious

00:46:00.640 circle of problems creating problems creating problems and it's really becomes very easy to just start

00:46:06.440 pointing and saying well this is why this is why but the degradation of the family is really at the

00:46:11.480 heart of yeah and and whether or not there were any right-wing policies that were uh proactively

00:46:18.820 picking up say black men uh to continue racism in the post-segregation era and after the civil rights

00:46:25.480 movement regardless of whether or not that's happening there's also a concerted left-wing effort to

00:46:30.960 degrade the family that's stretching back a hundred years that's coming to fruition through the various

00:46:35.500 identity politics angles of marxism that were became prominent in the 1960s yeah and that'll hurt any

00:46:41.860 community no matter the skin color and as you know as i said you saw that among white families too the

00:46:47.520 rate of fatherlessness really hiking up um from the 1960s onward and so if you're going to say that

00:46:53.500 fatherlessness in a black in the black community is only due to racism well you're also going to have

00:46:58.120 to answer for why white fatherlessness rate uh the white fatherlessness rate is also up and to go back

00:47:05.200 to your point of just being able to see that strong correlation between a present father in the home and

00:47:11.040 father and mother in the home and success um i mean it's just an undeniable correlation if you look at

00:47:17.360 each racial group because the group and i know they call this the model minority myth but the facts are the

00:47:23.840 facts is that asian americans have the highest median income the highest graduation rates the lowest

00:47:29.440 crime rates and they also have the lowest fatherlessness rate and that is just too it's too

00:47:35.840 strong it's too strong of a correlation to say that there's not a causal relationship there and to speak

00:47:42.140 to your point about you know every leftist narrative just trying to cover up for the failures of democratic

00:47:48.060 policies when you talk about that all they do is they point to right-wing policy which like you said

00:47:54.880 i'm not saying that that's not a problem but that's all they do and they also deny or they just ignore

00:48:00.240 the fact that a lot of these communities these predominantly black and brown communities that they

00:48:04.760 say are just oppressed by white supremacists have actually been run not just by democrats but black

00:48:09.740 democrats for decades and still they somehow point to the white evangelical trump supporters the source of

00:48:16.200 their of the issues in these cities and communities i mean we're seeing the same thing in the canadian

00:48:21.340 trucker convoy right now too of course right it's obviously the stupid vaccine mandate policies are what

00:48:28.780 moved the truckers to start doing what they're doing and then there's this whole weird left-wing movement

00:48:34.280 where they're trying to support the so-called real truckers who are still delivering goods and doing their

00:48:39.940 regular job and who have you know basically stayed in their lane quite literally as far as truckers go

00:48:46.820 and so now it's it's it can't possibly be the fact that there are these tyrannical policies that many people

00:48:55.980 hate and we seem to have almost no political recourse against we petition we beg we ask the news won't even

00:49:03.260 cover it the politicians just ignore it you say we don't want to do these mandates people try to do things

00:49:08.540 against the mandates and they're like more mandates for you then you know until everybody comes along

00:49:13.180 and it's been very tyrannical and so it can't possibly be the policy that's causing the problem

00:49:17.380 is that the truckers are fascists that so it's like they have absolutely no capacity to accept

00:49:23.520 accountability for the fact that you know i'm not even of the mindset that all left-wing policy is

00:49:30.460 necessarily bad the right if it has all of its way all the time tends to get stagnant yeah you need some

00:49:36.940 movement a little bit but at the same time if you're absolutely unwilling to to take any

00:49:42.400 responsibility for your failures and to correct for those you're on a collision course with disaster

00:49:46.980 and the thing is is that when you and i'm not talking about liberal versus conservative because

00:49:52.800 there's that third category leftists leftists are literally completely convinced it's nobody leftism

00:49:59.400 never fails people just fail leftism and that's you know that's a cult mentality that that's the whole

00:50:05.960 communism has never been tried mentality yeah real communism has never been tried because you know

00:50:11.480 it got co-opted by the state and became state capitalism which is a kind of fascism which is

00:50:16.340 ultimately right-wing or you know whatever it's always that

00:50:19.640 and you said something earlier that seems to be true is that the goal of progressivism should not

00:50:29.880 be to continue to go to the left if the goals really are what they say that they are to help

00:50:36.520 the working class to help the traditionally marginalized person i think most people are on

00:50:41.480 board with that i disagree with what you say a person on the left what you say is the cause of the

00:50:48.360 problems and therefore i disagree with your proposed solutions um but if the goal is to actually help

00:50:56.020 people and lift people up i think there are a lot of conservatives that are also interested

00:51:00.160 in that the problem is is that we want to listen to people like ibram max kindy instead of someone

00:51:07.420 like walter williams or thomas soul who have really been talking about uh economic solutions to the

00:51:14.740 disparities that are between black americans and white americans no one is saying that that's a great

00:51:19.280 thing like no one is saying that it's great that black americans have a lower median income than white

00:51:24.220 americans i'm just saying if we're just going to blame that on some you know intangible idea of

00:51:32.400 white supremacy and your solution ibram max kindy is to not hire white people or to somehow discriminate

00:51:39.300 against white people which is exactly what his proposed solution is well then i'm not on board

00:51:43.980 with that and you're actually just going to get in some kind of gridlock because okay then i guess you

00:51:49.620 don't want to talk solutions and we're just going to stay as we are and i don't think that's a good

00:51:53.580 thing but i don't know what else to do because i can't agree with their premise right well their

00:51:58.580 premises are bad all the way down if you read for example paulo ferrari he's a brazilian marxist

00:52:04.120 educator he's dead now but he he was very influential he in fact is the most influential figure

00:52:10.200 in terms of what our education system does today if you read him he talks in his book pedagogy of the

00:52:16.180 oppressed he talks about trying to reach the peasants and teach them about their dependency

00:52:19.740 right and at no point does he say you know well the path out of dependency is to teach these people

00:52:24.780 responsibility teach them how to be like maybe they actually are naive maybe they actually do have

00:52:30.020 beliefs that keep them you know down oh this is just the way it is for us we're peasants you know

00:52:35.200 and they're very self-defeating and he talks about that maybe they really do have these but he doesn't

00:52:38.760 teach people to take responsibility he doesn't teach that at all in fact he says instead that you have

00:52:44.400 to teach um that the source of their dependency is the system itself and that they need to band

00:52:50.100 together in solidarity to overthrow the entire system and so you can see this mentality whether

00:52:54.160 it's in white appalachia whether it's in you know kind of the black ghetto in the cities or whatever and

00:52:59.940 you see it in ferrari and the idea is that if you were to teach the peasants responsibility or if you

00:53:05.540 were to teach the oppressed to take responsibility for their lives teach them to read teach them whatever it

00:53:10.420 happens to be to be able to lift themselves out of their dependency then what would happen is some

00:53:14.620 of them would succeed and some of them wouldn't and they would those people would therefore become

00:53:18.740 part of the problem they would actually have abandoned the neighborhood left the peasants off

00:53:22.880 even worse and become part of the problem that's oppressing in the first place they would have become

00:53:27.840 white as the racial marxists would say unfortunately yeah because whiteness is the scapegoated cultural

00:53:34.500 property uh so they would be white or white adjacent or that they are seeking white reward or you know

00:53:41.660 something of this kind and so yeah but it's always that there's some overarching structural system because

00:53:48.840 it's marxist that's actually the organizing principle of society and what you have to do is teach people

00:53:55.380 that they are made dependent or made oppressed by that system and that their only legitimate option

00:54:02.360 is actually to band together inside their oppression and dependency and negativity and have a revolution

00:54:08.960 to overthrow the whole system because it's ultimately a marxist approach and that's the that's the trap

00:54:15.060 that they're in that's the when you say you know i disagree with your diagnosis of the problem and

00:54:19.160 therefore i disagree with your prescription of the medicine that's why because that that's the way they

00:54:24.080 think about the world is that it's not any individual person's fault or even any individual person's

00:54:29.360 responsibility it's the collective's responsibility to make the world so that nobody is in oppression

00:54:35.960 or dependency but also by saying it's no one person's fault it's also everyone's fault it's

00:54:41.600 actually everyone's fault that they see on the side of the oppressor anyway which is exactly why

00:54:45.620 they don't if you know if you didn't do the thing that they wanted you to do or say the thing that

00:54:51.700 they wanted you to say even just in a performative way like posting a black square

00:54:55.660 and your defense was well i don't know that you know the george floyd incident had to do with race

00:55:01.200 i can think it was bad and that justice needs to be exacted without you know saying that had to do

00:55:07.000 with race and i don't really want to post a black square because i don't know what that represents

00:55:10.800 and i don't really know if i support black lives matter and i definitely don't support the riot and

00:55:14.420 looting just kind of like these critical questions and you get accused of racism and your defense is

00:55:18.680 well i'm not racist i just have these questions that they don't even take that as a response

00:55:24.600 for i think a couple reasons that i've heard you talk about before one because of this idea of

00:55:30.520 structural racism therefore if you have benefited from white privilege then you are racist you're

00:55:36.600 responsible for this racist structure um in some way but also this kind of kafka trap that if you deny

00:55:43.700 that you are something that is just more proof that you are actually that thing and so your only

00:55:51.580 option that is to say okay well i'm not playing anymore exactly and that's because ultimately again

00:55:55.760 if people don't know like nobody's really read marx and the people who have according to the

00:56:00.480 you know the marxists that i've read in the past or the you know who've written in the past say 20

00:56:04.660 years i don't think a lot of people understood marx um so marx had this very simple kind of

00:56:10.040 construction of the world you have this thing called the base later in the structural framing

00:56:14.340 it got called the infrastructure that's your productive workers it's also where nature is it's

00:56:18.340 where all the stuff's happening but all of your productive working class is is is the base that's

00:56:23.700 what actually builds society society is made out of that and then you have all these people who do

00:56:28.360 things like what we're doing we're talking we don't do real work we talk we write books you know

00:56:33.340 we're lawyers we mediate people's problems we're priests or pastors and we just shepherd people

00:56:38.500 through spirituality that's their opiate of their of their masses or whatever these aren't real jobs

00:56:42.960 they don't produce any real tangible stuff so in a sense marxists see that as a grift but what marx

00:56:48.880 called all of that is the superstructure of society and that's where the real organization of society

00:56:53.100 kind of gets its kind of basis and everybody who's involved in the superstructure is also known as

00:56:58.520 an ideologist an ideology is this bunch of excuses the people who get to work in the superstructure

00:57:04.560 give for why they get to be in the superstructure the why they get to do this fake work that doesn't

00:57:10.680 have to produce anything while somebody else has to toil with a hammer or a sickle

00:57:13.940 uh to produce the the the base of society and so they have these things called ideologies and they

00:57:20.900 convince themselves that their ideology is the real explanation for how the world works and so they

00:57:27.200 therefore are trapped into thinking well this is how it's supposed to be i've earned my way here

00:57:33.440 i went to school longer you know i meritocracy i i did the right stuff i did i sacrificed i've worked

00:57:40.560 my way up and you could too if you wanted to but what you have is that those two things are held in

00:57:46.560 this relationship in tension with one another and they're creating the structure of society that

00:57:51.180 organizes how society works and it therefore conditions how everybody thinks depending on where

00:57:56.120 you are positionally as they would say in intersectionality against that structure of power

00:58:01.260 where are you relationally to being part of the either cultural or material production base

00:58:08.000 where are you in terms of the ideology and one of the features of the ideology is that you think that

00:58:13.680 you don't have an ideology that's the magic sauce of the ideology you can't see it but you are being

00:58:18.720 conditioned by these structural forces that are ultimately what marx called the social relations

00:58:23.900 produced by the relationship between the infrastructure and superstructure and this is a dialectical

00:58:29.700 relationship so that's what dialectical materialism is all about so you are conditioned by that that

00:58:35.760 determines who you are it determines your character so with critical race theory whiteness becomes the

00:58:41.400 property white supremacy becomes the structure that justify it's the ideology i should say that justifies

00:58:47.780 why some people get access to whiteness and why other people don't and then systemic racism becomes the

00:58:53.560 structure that shapes all of society conditions everything and so any answer or excuse that you give

00:58:59.080 it's truly a conspiracy theory it's a huge conspiracy theory you know it reminds me not to interrupt you but

00:59:03.900 as you're talking i'm thinking i'm like this sounds exactly like what people say when they talk about

00:59:08.660 chemtrails seriously like when they're talking about chemtrails and they're like well see the chemtrails are like

00:59:15.120 uh convincing people of different things they're like playing with your mind but i i am the one person who has

00:59:21.220 escaped the power of the chemtrails and i am here to tell you about that and if you deny that chemtrails

00:59:27.320 have had an effect on your thinking it's just because it's working it's working that's right and

00:59:32.020 i use the special soap or whatever that got them out of my hair it's like no seriously though it's um

00:59:36.700 it is a huge conspiracy theory even in the book i have to call it a conspiracy theory um the whole

00:59:42.520 thing is a giant conspiracy theory and that everybody's participating in and the only people

00:59:48.360 who are aware that this is even how it works just like with the chemtrails are the people who have

00:59:53.520 the awakened consciousness in other words the marxists and so they therefore get to appoint

00:59:58.380 themselves the arbiter of how everything's going to go how everybody's going to have to respond

01:00:02.820 and they're the only if you disagree with them you must not have understood correctly so you don't have

01:00:08.220 epistemic authority to challenge them or you must be secretly a racist or it's because you're it's

01:00:13.260 because you're white and it goes back to almost like almost like pathologizing whiteness that your

01:00:17.780 white brain just can't understand because it's been conditioned by the structural reality of

01:00:23.420 systemic racism so that it's just not possible even though you know we've had comedians you know

01:00:29.920 breaking down the racial barrier by talking about white culture and doing you know eddie murphy or

01:00:34.860 whatever bernie mack all these guys coming out doing their white person voice and making fun of white

01:00:38.880 people culture like everybody's been making fun of this for a long time it's that what they're saying

01:00:43.460 doesn't even make any sense but they think they're the only ones who can actually see that this is how

01:00:49.100 this really works in society but they don't realize that they're actually in a cult

01:00:53.420 okay guys that was just part one of that conversation we had to cut it short split it

01:01:00.460 into two parts because it was really it was long and we just felt like you know you needed some time

01:01:07.300 to chew on this and to think about the things that he was saying because there's just so much to unpack

01:01:12.400 the second part of this conversation we're going to talk about our differences in theology why

01:01:16.840 christianity is so important to the found the moral foundation of lawmaking in the west and so there

01:01:23.920 are more fascinating parts to this conversation to come so stay tuned on that i'll see you guys then

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 01, 2022

Ep 556 ｜ How Race Marxism Is Infiltrating Schools, Churches & the Government ｜ Guest： James Lindsay

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