Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 01, 2022


Ep 556 ｜ How Race Marxism Is Infiltrating Schools, Churches & the Government ｜ Guest： James Lindsay


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Our friend James Lindsey joins us to discuss his new book, "Race Maoism" and the philosophical ideological roots of the left wing in this country. We discuss the role of race theory in the development of critical race theory and how it ties into the current political climate.

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00:00:00.000 hey guys welcome to relatable happy tuesday today's episode is brought to you by good ranchers get
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00:00:22.380 good ranchers.com slash ally all right today we are having a fascinating conversation with our
00:00:27.380 friend james lindsey he's got a new book out called race marxism we're talking about that but we're
00:00:33.180 talking about a lot more than that we are talking about the philosophical ideological roots of the
00:00:38.560 left wing in this country that we have not discussed before we've just we've discussed a lot of things
00:00:44.500 but today what we're analyzing we haven't talked about and we're talking about a lot of the things
00:00:49.640 going on in the news right now how that fits in to this ideology and we're also going to be talking
00:00:55.220 about theology and our differences there he is an atheist slash agnostic and i of course am a
00:01:02.840 christian and so it truly is such an interesting discussion and as i always say i could talk to him
00:01:09.620 for six hours and still not talk about all the things that i want to talk about he's just such
00:01:14.960 an interesting person i know you're going to learn a lot from this conversation i certainly did
00:01:19.500 so without further ado here is our friend james lindsey james thank you so much for joining us i'm
00:01:27.720 sure everyone at this point knows who you are you've been on here this is the third time you've been on
00:01:33.540 rogan three times as we were just talking about so most people know who you are but just in case
00:01:37.880 there are a few people who don't tell us who you are and what you do well i'm james yes that's true
00:01:44.740 james lindsey i write i do podcasts i own a company called new discourses the podcast is
00:01:51.940 creatively titled the new discourses podcast um that's where i put out most of my content now
00:01:56.940 in addition to you know books or whatever and lately i guess i'm like a speaker or something like
00:02:01.820 a phenomenon i'm invited everywhere all over the country to talk uh so i do a lot of that as well
00:02:08.420 so is that who i am that's who you are that's the real me yeah and why do you think that kind
00:02:14.720 of suddenly over the past year i would say especially even though your rise has been steady
00:02:18.380 for a while why do you think over the past year you have come in such high demand i got lucky enough
00:02:25.780 to study something that's happening to everybody that people are increasingly noticing is happening
00:02:31.360 to everybody and people are hungry for the truth and i don't hedge when i talk about it i just say what
00:02:37.480 i think and because it's such a strange situation you know just there's hunger real hunger for the
00:02:44.580 truth yeah and i think that's really what it is i say what i think i i take it seriously i don't come
00:02:50.380 out and just say oh the left this the woke that i go read their materials and i say this is what they
00:02:55.740 say this is what they mean by that this is why this is important and they aren't fooling around
00:02:59.780 they mean what they say yeah you know they say we want a revolution well they want one yeah i think
00:03:05.680 that your expertise is taking us back to the roots of the things that we hear about today that most
00:03:11.280 people assume are just new white privilege um white fragility the things that people are reading from
00:03:19.120 ibram x candy riots are the voice of the unheard this kind of excusing of violence on their side and
00:03:25.960 then castigating it when it comes from the other side all of this i think most people assume this is
00:03:30.840 just a product of our social media divided politically polarized age and it's unique to
00:03:37.060 2020 to 2022 and what you have taught us is that really this goes back a very long time not just to
00:03:44.220 the 1960s but even before even before that hundreds of years you really talk about the lineage the
00:03:50.960 philosophical lineage of things like critical race theory and i think that's what makes what you do so
00:03:56.460 interesting most people don't want to read those philosophers most people don't want to read that
00:04:01.320 history um and you break it down in a way that people really understand so if you can summarize take us
00:04:07.740 back a little bit so i mean the past couple years obviously have been very tense because of the riots
00:04:12.700 after george floyd and to everyone like i said that just seemed that just seemed to happen almost
00:04:17.700 in a vacuum kind of they were just so taken aback by it and everything you know 1619 project what
00:04:23.860 we're seeing and public school curriculums with critical race theory when did all of this start
00:04:28.680 how long has all of this been building i mean the idea is the philosophical ideas probably go back
00:04:34.600 you know thousands of years but um you know the kind of concerted push we're seeing in the west
00:04:41.980 really is a project that's a little over 100 years long which is the cultural marxist project so you
00:04:48.620 know i can't say cultural marxism and say it started there without saying well marx was obviously
00:04:53.300 relevant somehow as well but marx came up with a number of ideas uh you know and he had a number
00:05:00.200 of predictions about how things would go probably most pertinently he predicted that you know
00:05:05.400 capitalism would reach this kind of ripe stage and then the workers would realize their exploitation
00:05:10.780 and in realizing their exploitation they would come together and rise up and so you'd see the major
00:05:16.100 industrial centers turn socialist and then that didn't happen the russian revolution in 1917 comes
00:05:23.440 along and peasant society goes communist because the bolsheviks forced it to go communist everywhere 0.80
00:05:31.480 else it's tried they tried in hungary the hungarians are like we're not having this no and they like
00:05:36.740 four months later they beat the communists out of power and then berlin doesn't go communist london
00:05:43.600 doesn't go kind of paris doesn't go kind of new york you name it none of them went communist and so
00:05:48.680 you have these marxist thinkers in 1910s 1920s looking at this situation even in 1930 saying what
00:05:55.380 marx got something wrong what was it and they said well we got to look at the cultural side of things
00:06:00.260 we got to look at a cultural economy because the cultural economy is somehow propping up the material
00:06:05.600 economy and so a whole new branch of marxist thought came into being um that really focused on the way
00:06:12.560 that cultural institutions create kind of a force field that keeps out revolutionary change
00:06:17.120 and over the course of the 30s and 40s the so-called frankfurt school uh institute for social research
00:06:23.620 which by the way was originally going to be named the institute for marxism but i guess they thought
00:06:27.200 it was a little too on the nose and so they backed off and called the institute for social research as
00:06:31.900 they do they hide everything they do and like lies so true tricky language and so it comes along and it's
00:06:38.140 looking at the situation he says well the working class has had a bunch of labor reforms and they're
00:06:43.060 happy we have a stable middle class now most of them are conservative they're in fact counter-revolutionary
00:06:49.100 even when they're not conservative they just want to go to work earn a fair reasonable living in a
00:06:55.040 reasonably safe working environment and buy their corvette and wash it on saturday and enjoy their little
00:07:02.120 you know their little neighborhood house and their barbecues and their maybe they play golf a couple
00:07:07.420 times a month or whatever it is they like to do people actually like that and they like being free
00:07:12.000 and so they the these frankfurt school critical marxists they're called or critical theorists
00:07:18.180 stared at this and they said well the problem is that the working class stabilizes itself
00:07:23.060 what on earth you know we know that there's something going on with culture but we also see
00:07:27.220 that the working class is a terrible revolutionary force because it agitates for change the change 1.00
00:07:32.280 comes in small parts and then they're stable and they become counter-revolutionary it's like a
00:07:37.260 self-defeating program that marx had actually laid out what are we going to do and they said oh i know
00:07:42.780 identity politics that's where some real energy is they're looking at the black you know this is
00:07:47.480 what mid 20th century at this point yeah 50s 1960s the i mean they first conceived of the idea that a
00:07:54.100 critical theory had to address the fact that the working class stabilizes itself by about the late
00:07:58.420 1930s 37 38 by the 50s and 60s they started to figure out that going after consumer culture
00:08:05.600 and trying to just badger people for liking things that they like wasn't going to work so basically
00:08:10.700 they realized as you said that the working class stabilizes itself and isn't actually in need of some
00:08:16.480 kind of liberating revolution in order to get better wages in order to have a free life that
00:08:26.760 they like to gain the security that they're looking for yeah um now some people would also say well
00:08:34.060 that's actually thanks to um that's actually thanks to some left-wing movements that's thanks to the
00:08:41.500 policies of fdr or that's thanks to the unions and so they would say even if it wasn't marxism that
00:08:48.420 helped the working class in the mid 20th century it was still the left wing of american politics that
00:08:54.980 helped stabilize the working class in the united states would you agree with that or would you say
00:08:59.600 that they're i mean because that's different than saying that they're self-stabilizing which is what
00:09:03.160 you argue sure sure um yes it's generally correct when when i say self self-stabilizing a lot of these
00:09:10.840 people actually and this is a thing that a lot of people don't understand about how movements actually
00:09:14.520 work the these people who are the workers they don't just automatically self-stabilize they started to
00:09:19.720 agitate for change they joined labor movements they got involved in unions yeah it does come down to
00:09:24.180 things that fdr put into place etc because there were some real reforms that were needed at the
00:09:29.060 level of you know preventing terrible exploitation of workers for example uh if you've read the jungle
00:09:36.460 upton sinclair you know you can hear you can see just how horrible the meatpacking industry was
00:09:41.640 until that book forced people to even though it was fiction forced people to actually and he was a
00:09:47.460 socialist forced them to go look at uh what's really going on in the meatpacking industry and then it was
00:09:53.560 horrible you know it was actually terrible and so then all of a sudden they started to work on these
00:09:57.860 reforms so yeah left-wing movements achieve this but what happens is a lot of people you know think
00:10:04.700 that leftism means that you just have to keep going left right and or these movements want to just keep
00:10:11.740 going left but the thing is no there was there was a there's a left side that was very wrapped up in
00:10:16.260 marxist so labor movements and these workers joined those movements not specifically necessarily
00:10:23.260 because they were left or right but because they were agitating for the things they needed they got
00:10:27.440 the things they needed and then they said okay we got what we wanted and they got out and so this is
00:10:31.760 the thing a lot of people fail to appreciate movements aren't meant to go on forever if they're
00:10:35.980 actually you know goal oriented the problem with outright leftism or marxism is that it doesn't have
00:10:42.440 in fact not only does it not have a limiting principle i was gonna say it doesn't have a
00:10:45.840 limiting principle like that oh we got what we want let's get out of the game no they just want
00:10:49.200 more left yeah that's they don't have anything in specific that they want they want more left to get
00:10:54.380 to super left revolution and that's a different goal than you know no i just want my job to not suck
00:11:01.180 yeah you know and so what you have is is these people that are hard on the left have this like
00:11:09.040 hardcore vision that most of the people who end up helping them you know in their movement don't
00:11:15.800 want and then eventually leave we see this also with the feminists there's you know there's a very 1.00
00:11:19.460 marxist and the very radical feminists through the say 50s and 60s and 70s and then there are 0.95
00:11:24.460 these very liberal feminists who are just like no i want to be able to get my own bank account i want 1.00
00:11:28.660 to be able to be treated as an equal i want to be able to work if i want to work i want to be able
00:11:31.820 to stay home if i want to stay home i just want to be treated you know equally as a person and make
00:11:36.320 my own decisions and then you know a lot of these reforms came through and the radical feminists and 1.00
00:11:41.340 the marxist feminists are still pissed off doing whatever feminist things they do whereas most 1.00
00:11:45.900 women are like cool we're free like we got what we wanted and they've moved on with their lives 1.00
00:11:50.620 and you know girl power but let's like not take it too seriously the problem is that leftism 1.00
00:11:56.060 is really almost and i mean it's really like an intense religion yeah and most people aren't there for
00:12:05.680 that they aren't there for this you know have a revolution for society program so yeah left-wing
00:12:12.140 movements did i mean that the labor movement was largely a left-wing movement and it achieved some
00:12:17.580 things that were valuable it achieved some things that got brought in as riders that are problems yeah
00:12:22.780 and of course we see we see that now we actually see when you kind of pair the standard what used to
00:12:30.220 be standard you know agenda for the democratic party which was pro-working class pro-labor now i
00:12:36.380 would push back against someone who said that fdr's policies were really what brought us out of the
00:12:41.160 depression and were really great i think we would probably agree uh agree with that but it is kind of
00:12:47.820 the wedding of the radical leftist ideology with that kind of standard democratic agenda that we see
00:12:54.240 for example the danger of the teachers unions today they've kind of wed those two things and
00:13:00.420 it's become so powerful and so ideological and so religious that it really like you said it really
00:13:06.560 can't even be described as a political movement anymore so can you talk a little bit more about
00:13:11.520 that when did when did that start to happen was it the 1960s that the democratic party really started
00:13:16.680 to move to the left or leftism started moving to the left you know the there have always been these
00:13:22.060 kind of elements there you know fdr obviously is before then and woodwell wilson is before that
00:13:28.000 and they had some very you know the progressive era going back to wilson becomes kind of really
00:13:34.000 relevant because it laid a lot of the tracks upon which the leftist train has been running ever since
00:13:39.100 you know wilson was an outright hegelian progressive he openly was and we see all kinds of changes that
00:13:49.780 kind of got swept in during his era so you know we could go all the way back there to i mean that's
00:13:56.640 when even when for example we since you brought up the nea or the teachers unions that's when compulsory
00:14:02.120 public education became a thing in the united states and so in the space in which that occurred
00:14:08.080 immediately progressive reformers as they're called or social reformers or school reformers
00:14:12.600 came in john dewey and was it something thorndyke marshall thorndyke something like this
00:14:17.680 get involved immediately you know in the kind of school reform movement and all of a sudden there's
00:14:23.220 this attempt to start twisting and these guys are straight out of the communist party or connected
00:14:28.500 straight to the communist party usa there's this attempt to start kind of warming this stuff in so
00:14:33.940 what you have to understand like with a democratic party etc is that the marxism it sounds so bad to
00:14:39.700 say this i don't want to give off some like demagogue vibes but the function of it is actually very parasitical
00:14:46.840 and so i'm not saying that marxists are parasites but it's very parasitical in its approach it looks for 1.00
00:14:53.640 some opening whether that's going to be this kind of compulsory public education and then it
00:15:00.380 kind of starts worming its way in and changing the policy slowly from within creating what antonio
00:15:06.360 gramsci referred to as a counter hegemony from within that's that cultural marxist turn and um
00:15:11.600 you see this with the teachers unions as well the teachers unions have had this kind of colored history
00:15:15.980 back and forth as long as this has been going where sometimes they're a little bit less crazy and
00:15:20.160 sometimes they're a little bit more crazy in the 70s they at the very beginning of the 70s they were
00:15:24.760 getting latched onto the whole kind of what we would recognize as like white fragility thing it wasn't
00:15:29.460 called white fragility then it was white awareness um but the the there's a there was a professor named
00:15:34.620 patricia bydahl at the time who was writing the first books that were claiming that whiteness 0.94
00:15:40.760 operates like a form of schizophrenia and you know you're either with us or against us you're either
00:15:46.020 racist or anti-racist things people associate with kendi today and that was written in 1970 and it
00:15:52.020 was funded by the nea the nea actually funded patricia bydahl putting together a she had her book she
00:16:00.160 wrote in 70 and by 73 they had one that she brought out for um schools specifically and the nea paid for
00:16:07.040 it if you get a copy of it which is very hard to get a copy of and i can't remember the title to tell
00:16:10.900 you to go look it up right now racism and education or something like this if you look in the you know
00:16:16.040 paid for by the national national education association going on for so much longer than most
00:16:21.060 people have realized certainly longer than i've realized what made all of this take root now like
00:16:26.420 why is your standard even i would say republican open to reading ibromax kendi or certainly my
00:16:34.780 friends who have considered themselves conservative christians after george floyd i mean it's like they
00:16:40.260 became at least for a couple months full-on progressives talking about anti-racism and the
00:16:45.660 dangers of white privilege and how they were going to raise their little toddlers to understand their
00:16:50.420 privilege and to deny their whiteness i mean that obviously didn't happen i don't think among
00:16:56.400 you know your standard moderate american in the 1960s and 70s even though these ideas were
00:17:03.060 percolating so what happened between then and now to make this mainstream to the point where it's
00:17:09.700 dominating our political institutions but also our corporations and even some of our churches
00:17:14.000 so this is a um when i i said they're very parasitical they they work their way into opportunities
00:17:20.380 whether it's the school reform movement whether you're talking about marxists marxists yes marxists
00:17:25.580 marxists work their way in and they slow the the cultural marxist turn that we see you know 0.56
00:17:30.860 following people like gramsci following things like the frankfurt school is actually to slowly get
00:17:35.380 inside of an institution whether that's a school whether it's a family whether it's a church whether
00:17:40.440 that's the country overall whether it's a particular government agency what like say the department of
00:17:46.060 education or whatever is to get in it and very slowly tweak one little thing at a time
00:17:51.420 almost imperceptibly the goal like if it was you know if if you have a tick you don't feel the
00:17:57.740 tick you can crawl up your leg and you don't even feel it on you it can bite you you don't even feel
00:18:02.620 it it's got you know techniques and poisons or whatever it is that make it do that they they actually
00:18:08.460 are very subtle like that there's an old saying there's another group called the called the fabian
00:18:12.480 socialists which you maybe have heard of founded in 1844 probably the reason by the way that george
00:18:18.420 called his book 1984 because a century of the fabians uh creep but that one of their emblems
00:18:25.200 was a turtle and it says you know something like to to build up slowly and then hit hard all at once
00:18:32.780 and so they've slowly demoralized slowly watered down slowly poisoned the way that we look at things
00:18:41.680 they've slowly caused people over the course of 50 years at least to question that america that
00:18:49.840 americans can feel proud to just say yeah america is good it's like even you'll find a lot of people
00:18:56.020 will say even though they feel a little cringe to say something like that and that little bit of
00:18:59.960 cringe it's a little bit of poison has worked its way in so thoroughly and then through the say the
00:19:05.380 political correctness movements that they've done with language they've slowly tailored it to where you
00:19:10.900 well there are these rules about how you have to speak about things you can't say this you can't
00:19:14.820 say that you have to try to find a polite way to say things you've always got to stay respectable or
00:19:19.840 we're going to pounce on you very vigorously you know with the media that you said something very
00:19:24.020 coarse and we're going to tie you to racism and we're going to tie you to sexism we're going to tie
00:19:28.280 you to exploitation and it's not even really just respectable i mean that's what they want you to
00:19:32.340 think that political correctness is but uh it is actually sometimes a denial of reality like when
00:19:41.080 it comes to using particular pronouns that's they say that that's just respectful you'll just be
00:19:46.040 respectful but obviously it is a denial of that which is actually true but i think it starts with
00:19:53.480 people just saying well i'm just being kind i'm just being polite i'm just being respectful and no
00:19:58.520 one wants to be a jerk no one wants to purposely be a jerk but then it gets to the point where we
00:20:02.740 are now to where we if i do not call a man who is obviously a man a she and a woman then that's not
00:20:10.160 being respectful and actually they bring it to the point of where if you misgender as they say uh
00:20:16.380 someone if you don't call this man a woman then you are perpetuating suicide you're killing these 0.56
00:20:21.800 people yeah of course of course they tie it to these really horrible things uh you know you can
00:20:26.340 either have a trans kid or a dead kid you know they put these horrible like false dichotomies on 0.89
00:20:32.020 you and associate associate with the worst kind of evil before this it was fascism every if you
00:20:37.620 didn't do what they said they would call you a fascist and that's still happening like the these
00:20:46.540 poor truckers in canada who are pushing for freedom they're being called a fascist convoy by people who i
00:20:53.380 guess don't know what fascism is i don't know there was that whole political cartoon where the guy drew
00:20:57.100 the trucks and just wrote fascism on the side of every truck that's ridiculous right and and so this
00:21:02.000 is what they do though it's it's this game of very slowly smearing and demoralizing and then when they
00:21:07.920 feel like the conditions are sufficient then they pounce and so it feels like it comes all at once
00:21:13.620 because they don't act until they think that the structure has been rotted out enough to where it'll
00:21:18.620 collapse if they hit it what does pouncing look like in your analogy well i mean when george floyd
00:21:23.160 died there was the pouncing came very quickly you were super racist if you didn't do literally
00:21:27.580 everything they said including you know tolerate riots tolerate arson bail people out of jail for
00:21:33.420 engaging in riots and arson putting you know all of the the social media behavior like you were
00:21:40.580 supposed to say these things or say those things and if you didn't say those things you know somebody
00:21:44.980 and your family would probably text you and say you're not being compassionate enough and
00:21:48.820 something would get twisted on you you know and um you have to give money we're gonna make lists at
00:21:54.680 your employment at your job we're now we're gonna have diversity you know offices everywhere remember
00:21:59.540 after george floyd died how quickly this crazy boilerplate that was virtually identical appeared in
00:22:06.520 literally like every university every corporate board out of out of nowhere they pounced yeah those
00:22:14.360 materials were large like you know largely prepared in advance for such a moment and then disseminated
00:22:22.880 very quickly by who by these big foundations that produces stuff kind of endlessly waiting for their
00:22:27.720 moment and so all of a sudden you know they had assessed that there was enough you know dry tinder on
00:22:34.040 the ground george floyd died the spark dropped and they you know now it's like fan the flames fan the
00:22:39.860 flames as wide as possible and to people who would say though and i guess this will get into your to
00:22:46.280 your book um who would say well you know what's wrong with that george floyd that incident really
00:22:51.080 happened that really was terrible it really was emblematic of you know systemic racism and white
00:22:56.480 supremacy in the united states so what's wrong with these corporations taking a stand against racism
00:23:00.240 and committing to diversity isn't that completely innocuous why are you against diversity james
00:23:05.100 because it's communist um diversity is communist yes diver all their words mean communism every word
00:23:11.740 you pick a word we can get to communism but what you're saying is what they mean by diversity is
00:23:16.640 communism not that actual diversity of course see this is the thing is you you can't fall for the
00:23:21.860 trick of using their language um on terms that haven't been clearly defined so now if i i don't even
00:23:29.940 if i think a word has been captured i don't use the word except ironically and in their way
00:23:35.280 so and i do so you know viciously to criticize it i don't use the word misinformation anymore because
00:23:39.880 that word's been captured i don't yeah i suppose there is any any language left if we're not using
00:23:46.540 any of the words that are captured or can we use the words that they use and use them in the way that
00:23:52.060 is real it's hard to it's while the capturing still exists you can't do anything with it because
00:23:59.640 there's always ambiguity about what's meant and that ambiguity is set up to always advantage
00:24:04.780 the marxists every single time so why am i against diversity because what diversity means is somebody who 0.92
00:24:11.820 has the uh critical consciousness the awakened consciousness of their um their the way that the
00:24:20.120 structural forces of society whether it's systemic racism or whatever that they believe structure
00:24:24.620 society that those systemic forces have created a unique set of character they call it the unique
00:24:31.380 voice of color as a matter of fact and so diversity means that you are awakened to saying what say
00:24:36.460 critical race theory says you're supposed to say about being whatever race you are so if you're white
00:24:41.320 that means there's no positive white identity if you're black that means that you're politically black 0.69
00:24:45.560 as nicole henna jones had it or if you want like ayanna presley said we don't want any more 1.00
00:24:49.880 black and brown faces who don't want to be black and brown voices what's she talking about she's
00:24:54.200 talking about that you are somebody who speaks the politics that's supposed to be right for that
00:25:00.520 identity and supposed to be is defined by being a critical race theorist because they believe that
00:25:06.020 everything is structurally determined and so what does that make a diversity person well in ibram
00:25:11.860 kendi's exact words a formally trained expert on racism in other words a critical race theorist
00:25:16.820 in other words in older language a commisar because his definition of racism is not prejudice
00:25:22.460 against someone because of their skin color it is a it is any policy i think how did he define racism
00:25:28.880 racism is racism is racism and a racist that's right it's racism is racism when it's racist by a racist
00:25:35.140 that's really what it comes down to um he said that it was when you have racist outcomes determined
00:25:40.860 by racist policy put in place by racist people well only by white people he doesn't believe that a
00:25:45.260 black or brown person can be racist i don't know because um uh larry elder ran for governor and the
00:25:51.320 la times said that he was the black face of white supremacy yeah and then dave chappelle made jokes
00:25:56.000 about trans people on his special and they said that he uses white privilege to make those but that
00:26:00.360 actually goes exactly to the point that you are making that those people you know i think that
00:26:06.440 they would say that i i think that they would say those two things at the same time i think that
00:26:10.860 ibram x kindy would say a black or brown person maybe he would say can't actually be racist because
00:26:17.320 racism is prejudice plus power and only white people have power you know that whole thing but at the
00:26:22.240 same time they would say that someone like larry elder isn't actually black so because larry elder
00:26:28.500 isn't actually black he's actually what he's functionally white yeah because he can be racist
00:26:34.360 um and so it sounds crazy but you know decoding what they're saying it does kind of make sense in
00:26:42.900 some kind of convoluted way since you brought up the privilege plus power or no prejudice plus power
00:26:47.900 definition by the way that also was patricia bydal the woman who was funded by the nea 1970s that's
00:26:54.760 she came up with that and the adl the uh uh the is it the adl that just came out with a new
00:27:02.340 uh definition of racism the anti-defamation defamation league yeah you know it was prejudiced
00:27:09.400 against someone because of the skin color now it is like a system of oppression against people of
00:27:14.320 color only by white people yeah exactly if you actually look up the definition of race used by
00:27:19.020 critical race theory it says that it's you know a characterization created by white people
00:27:23.040 originally from europe that holds themselves up as the archetype of humanity so that they the white 1.00
00:27:27.620 race so that they can oppress other people it really that's their definition of race it's all like 0.69
00:27:33.060 that they have all these self-serving definitions that you don't know are happening i say it all the
00:27:38.180 time on twitter communists share your vocabulary but they don't share your dictionary they have 0.56
00:27:43.640 completely different meanings so back to your other question though why does it matter if
00:27:48.120 corporations see the george floyd incident and want to do that it doesn't
00:27:52.620 what's weird is when all of them are doing it all at the same time with almost like copy pasta
00:27:59.140 boilerplate and then every university saying the same thing and the government is saying the same
00:28:03.960 thing it is nothing natural is happening when myriad people across all kinds of walks of life
00:28:11.180 are all saying and doing exactly the same thing and this kind of weird like if if we took some of
00:28:16.720 that boilerplate and read it in a chant everybody would recognize this is a cult this is really weird
00:28:21.940 but yeah when you read it as it is you know you realize this doesn't say anything really and
00:28:27.700 except there are these key words now commit to equity yada yada yada which by the way also means
00:28:32.700 socialism yeah and so it's what's weird is that there was no there was no diversity whatsoever in
00:28:39.380 the response to this uh there was no critical thought allowed and if anybody attempted to it either got
00:28:45.000 drowned off media or you got bullied or people got screamed at fists in their face you know screaming at
00:28:50.980 there's that iconic image of the the young woman who supported black lives matter by the way sitting
00:28:55.460 at a table it was she's like i just don't want to raise my fist because you're making me and they 0.99
00:28:59.220 freaked out on her you know there's so yeah it was there was this was what you said you what does it
00:29:03.960 look like when they pounce they pounced everything had to be that from every direction everywhere all at
00:29:10.520 once and that was sustained for as long as they could sustain it and it was totally justified
00:29:16.620 and defended even by people that i know and respect they at the very least so after the george floyd thing
00:29:24.220 happened lots of you know i'm very in you know christian white woman instagram world i see it i see
00:29:32.220 how they react to things and even the ones who would say they would definitely say because i don't think
00:29:37.000 that they are they would say i'm not a marxist are you kidding me i don't believe in marxism i don't
00:29:41.060 believe in communism i'm conservative like you but they'll post the black square they'll talk about 0.62
00:29:46.140 anti-racism they'll repost a story about uh border patrol agents whipping migrants they'll always
00:29:53.500 go with the left-wing narrative of something especially when it comes to race because they
00:29:58.760 have white guilt themselves but they'll say they're conservative they'll say they're conservative
00:30:02.960 evangelical and they're not progressive christians and whatever but they will never post the other 0.99
00:30:09.220 side of the story um while still just you know defending themselves as completely apolitical
00:30:16.020 and completely neutral but they would call someone like me on the conservative side they would
00:30:20.340 never repost me or like one of my posts or agree with something i say but they would be much quicker
00:30:26.260 to defend an outright communist i think and a racial marxist um on their views even though they
00:30:33.420 consider themselves conservative it's just wild to watch that's the two things there that's the
00:30:38.740 demoralization people don't know how to feel like a good person in that bullying campaign that
00:30:43.900 comes along with it and so they go along with it because they they you know they kind of think
00:30:48.820 maybe there's something to that and they haven't really thought about it a lot then they're just
00:30:52.640 going to kind of go with it because the bullying campaign is obvious and everybody else is doing
00:30:56.700 to it racist you know race there are racists there like there's people who are racist and they have
00:31:01.860 friends who said well i've been followed around in a store whatever and so because of that empathy
00:31:06.860 which i would love to hear you talk about empathy um that's really the thing because of empathy
00:31:12.220 they have to post the black square they have to say that they're reading ibram x candy right the
00:31:15.980 funny thing was is there was actually nothing racist whatsoever as far as i can tell about the
00:31:20.560 george floyd incident there was except that the one the cop was white and the victim was black
00:31:25.560 and that's all you need in their formula yeah exactly and so um you know who's who's projecting
00:31:32.980 racism into the situation it becomes a question at that point uh but yeah the weaponized empathy
00:31:38.640 lack of understanding what words mean because they've been made ambiguous they mean multiple
00:31:42.520 things at multiple times depending on you know who's using them and for what purposes but with
00:31:47.980 empathy you know a lot of people get their heart out in front of their head um we need a heart we
00:31:54.400 need to have that care but you know you've everybody could think of kind of an example of somebody who
00:32:01.820 just kind of you know comical kind of television sort of scene where somebody's trying to help and
00:32:07.500 they're flailing around trying to help and they're doing all the wrong things because all they want
00:32:12.180 to do is help but they don't actually know how to help or they haven't taken time to slow down and
00:32:16.980 assess the situation and do something that's appropriate for the situation so there's this kind
00:32:21.260 of um you know very emotionally driven empathy and then which is very instinctual and it happens very
00:32:29.000 fast and you feel like you know something must be done i have to care and that's so important or
00:32:34.500 maybe i just do care but then there's there's kind of head driven empathy which is kind of goal
00:32:39.240 driven or results oriented empathy like something maybe is wrong i don't know maybe something is wrong
00:32:46.120 in in the country with policing i am suspicious this has been a hard driven narrative by marxist
00:32:52.100 organizations for a while so i'm suspicious of the facts but we should take a look and we should start
00:32:59.980 saying well if there is this kind of pervasive problem what does it actually look like what
00:33:04.480 do the data say you know what are real solutions how do we kind of a b test potential solutions and
00:33:10.360 see see what the outcomes are and start picking solutions at work to whatever problem may actually
00:33:16.640 be how do you start to bridge the gap of lack of trust between these kind of inner city predominantly
00:33:23.340 black communities or neighborhoods and the police who feel like they have to police them in particular
00:33:28.440 ways particularly harder and maybe is there racism there and what can be done to bridge that trust
00:33:32.820 these are things that you know kind of goal-oriented thoughtful empathy like i care about this issue and i
00:33:38.960 want it resolved not i care about this issue and somebody said this is the thing to do so i have to do this
00:33:44.840 and it reminds me of something that you know and we actually haven't talked about critical race theory
00:33:54.480 in a little bit we kind of took a little bit of a break because we were talking about it so much but
00:33:58.340 something that we say a lot is by thomas soul that uh disparities in themselves are not proof of
00:34:07.680 discrimination and i think that's where this empathy piece comes in for people that you see these gaps
00:34:15.340 this is what people on the left do by the way it's a little bit of a rhetorical trick they say
00:34:19.820 well why are black people you know being shot by the police at a higher rate than white people or
00:34:26.300 why are they less likely to graduate from high school why are they on average poorer than white or
00:34:31.560 they actually they probably won't even mention asian they'll just say then then white white americans and
00:34:36.520 so you look at all of these gaps and uh then someone fills in those gaps by saying well those gaps can
00:34:44.300 only be because of discrimination right and if you're on the other side of that especially if
00:34:50.180 you're a white person you don't want to argue with a black person who says that those gaps those 0.81
00:34:55.520 disparities are because of discrimination especially when they say they do this trick too and this has
00:35:00.720 happened to me because i've said well that's not disparities aren't proof of discrimination there
00:35:05.060 could be so many other factors that are playing in there they'll say oh so it's you know it's our fault
00:35:11.700 so you're saying it's some innate characteristic that's causing these disparities and actually
00:35:15.820 thomas soul debunked that like back in the 1980s and so it's a conversation that's been going on for
00:35:20.440 a long time but you could see how your average person especially your average white person who
00:35:24.880 wants to be empathetic when you hear from a black person well these are the reasons for the disparities 0.99
00:35:29.240 you don't want to argue against that and say well what does the data say is that really true that
00:35:33.780 it's because of discrimination then you really seem like a bigot and a racist and no one wants to be that
00:35:38.240 well you seem like you're uncaring and then that gets transformed into bigotry and racism uh and
00:35:44.960 it these manipulations are are extremely subtle like a lot of the people that are doing the
00:35:50.000 manipulations don't even necessarily know that they're engaging in what boils down to a moral
00:35:53.720 extortion racket which is what that is that was a moral extortion racket being put on you you say
00:36:00.040 there's a problem you think you know you've offered there so we'll take for granted that the
00:36:05.540 problem is real and exists maybe it doesn't maybe it doesn't let's take for granted that it does
00:36:09.600 and then you've offered an interpretation of that problem and you don't have to actually deny the
00:36:14.060 problem to deny the interpretation exactly and so we're often wrong our interpretations of what's
00:36:18.720 going on are frequently wrong every time anybody's ever got food poisoning they tend to they're like oh i
00:36:24.060 must ate some bad chicken or whatever and chances were it was a salad bar that's a classically known
00:36:29.060 thing because it's not cooked and so you know we don't really know our interpretations are not always
00:36:35.640 that great um and so we should be questioning each other's interpretations and data are the best way to
00:36:41.660 resolve those questions but these manipulations are extremely subtle and by the way ibram kendi is
00:36:46.400 directly has has called directly for reversing that mentality he in his in 2019 he wrote an essay or
00:36:54.500 paragraph really for for politico how do you fix inequality and he says that we should have an
00:36:59.900 anti-racist constitutional amendment and the second of the two principles that he says that should be
00:37:06.040 in that constitutional amendment is that inequity or differences in outcomes she'll be taken as proof 0.82
00:37:13.000 of discrimination right as so that's the only possible explanation now you can see that this is going
00:37:17.940 to be a disaster in the making if that's what you're actually going to do is always boil it down to
00:37:23.240 you you know the explanation for whatever happened in advance um and then it's something very sensitive
00:37:28.960 like racism that you can inflame people and you can get people i don't want to be associated with
00:37:32.940 racism so i'm not going to argue it's a very subtle and nasty manipulation um and just it's just to put
00:37:39.980 it in really simple terms so people understand it's basically saying if you earned five dollars and i
00:37:44.600 own earned two dollars for the same job the assumption has to be that it's because of sexism or some
00:37:50.840 unfair you know form of discrimination when really it could be that i don't have as much education as you
00:37:57.160 or i didn't do the job as well or i didn't take as many hours to do it whatever it is um and you see
00:38:01.840 the same thing actually in feminism when it comes to the wage gap even though when you control for all 1.00
00:38:07.660 factors men and women have no wage gap between them for the same job um but when you don't control
00:38:13.820 for the factors women do make 79 cents on a dollar because we work less we work fewer hours uh we tend 1.00
00:38:21.460 to not want to take the job that is you know um as trying as the job as a man would take and so you
00:38:30.580 see this really across leftist talking points yeah and so what you actually are what we see in general
00:38:36.400 is actually a denial of responsibility or accountability for failed left-wing policy
00:38:43.120 that's kind of the underlying theme of all of it you know all granted there's also marxist
00:38:48.980 manipulation but if we're trying to be a little bit like less they're communists about everything
00:38:54.100 what's going on you know what for example with race what causes what actually causes a lot of these
00:38:59.620 these issues these differences and outcomes the data actually are not equivocal on this the it's not
00:39:05.780 totally 100 of the explanation but a huge proportion and i don't know the statistic but a very large
00:39:11.820 proportion of it comes down to do you have a stable two family or two-parent household and in a stable
00:39:17.060 neighborhood yeah and so so that moves the question back well why don't you have those right why are why is
00:39:23.240 there such a huge disproportionate uh disproportionality by racial group in that particular uh domain
00:39:31.900 and you know the the great society maybe it was well intended but in some of the programs that they
00:39:38.300 installed were certainly of some benefit but of others they were wrong-headed and they should have
00:39:43.660 been short-term or never implemented at all and you see very clearly and if you talk to you know
00:39:49.660 people who've studied you know american history of of blacks through the desegregation period through the
00:39:57.520 civil rights era and on both sides of it what you see is that's where the policies that they put into
00:40:02.360 place decimated the family and the decimation of the family led to the decimation of neighborhoods
00:40:08.680 yeah and the black family used to be extremely strong it was the backbone that let before the 0.52
00:40:14.340 1960s the divorce rate was lower and or the fatherlessness rate was lower among black americans
00:40:20.180 there was they were very very pro-family and then some bad policy got put into place but that policy
00:40:26.860 was put forth by democrats and therefore and in the name of equity because you know they still saw okay
00:40:33.240 there's these gaps of outcome when it comes to income or when it comes to education and so we're
00:40:39.120 going to fill those gaps with government programs and as you're saying actually disincentivized
00:40:44.460 um family togetherness because as the government does i mean talk about parasitical it is taking
00:40:52.300 the power of the family which is the incubator of liberty and of values and of all of these things and
00:40:57.980 it's replacing it with something that really can't replace it effectively that's and one thing that
00:41:03.680 also people don't really point out if you're looking at the fatherlessness rate among black americans and
00:41:09.640 white americans starting in like the 1940s to today even though starting in the 1960s um the black 0.57
00:41:16.720 fatherlessness rate uh went up at a faster rate than the white fatherlessness rate both went up starting
00:41:24.420 in the 1960s so if because like you said when you okay fatherlessness we know is one reason for teen
00:41:32.720 delinquency and a lot of different things that are plaguing any community that has a rampant
00:41:38.780 fatherlessness but the left would peel that back and they would say no it's not because of the great
00:41:43.620 society and lbj and these government programs it's because of mass incarceration in the 70s and 80s and
00:41:49.540 that's really what led to fatherless fatherlessness in the black community so it's right-wing policies 0.96
00:41:54.300 whatever but again if that's if that's the case for black americans then what is the reason behind
00:42:02.240 white fatherlessness uh also increasing at a very quick rate starting in the 1960s but they never
00:42:11.080 want to meddle with those kinds of inconvenient facts well they don't want to bring up the fact
00:42:16.380 that the answer to the question is the f word feminism the feminism and uh i mean that quite seriously 0.84
00:42:24.520 one of the more interesting things that i had when i was reading you know i started to talk about the
00:42:29.020 birth of the identity politics into the marxism earlier and so we're looking at this big black 0.99
00:42:33.820 liberation movement the black nationalism movement these things were huge in the 60s um and then an
00:42:40.040 offshoot of this was black feminism and if you actually go read the black feminist writings from
00:42:45.780 say the 1970s the combahee river collective statement for example has it explicitly in there they start
00:42:52.000 talking about how they and this is the where the birthplace of intersectionality is also by the way
00:42:56.220 they talk about how they need to start like the the big issue that they have is that the black men 1.00
00:43:03.260 don't want anything to do with feminism they're they're you know they're like no you're not going 0.93
00:43:07.460 to have that and you know basically you're not going to be some uppity woman and mess everything up and
00:43:12.900 in the combahee river collective statement which is really the first kind of manifesto of a black of
00:43:19.140 marxist black feminism what you see is there they it's a it's like a five page manifesto and they take a 0.94
00:43:25.880 they have one thing they really quote and what they quote is you know look how terrible these
00:43:31.040 you know black nationalist movements are for the way that they view women and it's this very you know
00:43:37.080 you know i am the man you are the woman you're not busting up our family with your feminism we're 1.00
00:43:42.340 going to keep the family together the family is the core of of you know the the black community
00:43:48.040 etc etc and they're like this is terrible and so these black feminists were saying the black feminists 1.00
00:43:53.380 were saying this is terrible which reminds me so much of blm because people don't realize that blm
00:43:57.620 is was really founded not on you know wanting to preserve black lives but really it's founded upon
00:44:04.760 that queer feminist radical feminist ideology that seeks the breakdown of the family that's why they 1.00
00:44:12.900 didn't mention fathers when they were talking about black communities and black families on their
00:44:16.540 website yeah and so i mean there's there's so much there that you know it's pretty well known that
00:44:24.360 young men are fairly reckless unless they have something that they're working for the highest 1.00
00:44:30.140 rates of violence etc are men 16 to 25 um p.s you should look at their testosterone levels with the
00:44:37.180 age and testosterone makes you crazy uh you know the roid rage thing or whatever is something people
00:44:42.960 talk about and when you create situations to where they're not able to be building toward a family
00:44:50.040 you're going to see increases in criminality you're going to see increases in all kinds of
00:44:54.280 you know uh anti-social behaviors and so you have this kind of self-fulfilling
00:44:59.540 wheel of destruction going on in in circumstances like that but you also had this strong movement of
00:45:05.200 feminists saying to the point where the the to the to the black nationalists were like stop you know 1.00
00:45:11.800 no y'all are a problem trying to break up this idea of the of the two-parent
00:45:19.620 yeah household and the government just made that easier by saying okay well we'll take care of you
00:45:25.880 we'll take care of you and if you have children um you know without being married then we'll give you
00:45:32.640 more money and if you have children from different fathers we'll give you even more money like yeah and
00:45:37.460 those incentive structures lead to bad decision making so now you have these guys who aren't working
00:45:42.060 channeling that energy into building you know the best stable home situation that they can because
00:45:50.020 baby mama threw them out and maybe for good or bad reasons maybe you know they were a jerk who knows 1.00
00:45:55.540 but you're not channeling that energy anymore and so you can see how this becomes kind of a vicious
00:46:00.640 circle of problems creating problems creating problems and it's really becomes very easy to just start
00:46:06.440 pointing and saying well this is why this is why but the degradation of the family is really at the
00:46:11.480 heart of yeah and and whether or not there were any right-wing policies that were uh proactively
00:46:18.820 picking up say black men uh to continue racism in the post-segregation era and after the civil rights
00:46:25.480 movement regardless of whether or not that's happening there's also a concerted left-wing effort to
00:46:30.960 degrade the family that's stretching back a hundred years that's coming to fruition through the various
00:46:35.500 identity politics angles of marxism that were became prominent in the 1960s yeah and that'll hurt any
00:46:41.860 community no matter the skin color and as you know as i said you saw that among white families too the
00:46:47.520 rate of fatherlessness really hiking up um from the 1960s onward and so if you're going to say that
00:46:53.500 fatherlessness in a black in the black community is only due to racism well you're also going to have 0.95
00:46:58.120 to answer for why white fatherlessness rate uh the white fatherlessness rate is also up and to go back
00:47:05.200 to your point of just being able to see that strong correlation between a present father in the home and
00:47:11.040 father and mother in the home and success um i mean it's just an undeniable correlation if you look at
00:47:17.360 each racial group because the group and i know they call this the model minority myth but the facts are the
00:47:23.840 facts is that asian americans have the highest median income the highest graduation rates the lowest
00:47:29.440 crime rates and they also have the lowest fatherlessness rate and that is just too it's too
00:47:35.840 strong it's too strong of a correlation to say that there's not a causal relationship there and to speak
00:47:42.140 to your point about you know every leftist narrative just trying to cover up for the failures of democratic
00:47:48.060 policies when you talk about that all they do is they point to right-wing policy which like you said
00:47:54.880 i'm not saying that that's not a problem but that's all they do and they also deny or they just ignore
00:48:00.240 the fact that a lot of these communities these predominantly black and brown communities that they
00:48:04.760 say are just oppressed by white supremacists have actually been run not just by democrats but black 0.81
00:48:09.740 democrats for decades and still they somehow point to the white evangelical trump supporters the source of
00:48:16.200 their of the issues in these cities and communities i mean we're seeing the same thing in the canadian
00:48:21.340 trucker convoy right now too of course right it's obviously the stupid vaccine mandate policies are what
00:48:28.780 moved the truckers to start doing what they're doing and then there's this whole weird left-wing movement
00:48:34.280 where they're trying to support the so-called real truckers who are still delivering goods and doing their
00:48:39.940 regular job and who have you know basically stayed in their lane quite literally as far as truckers go
00:48:46.820 and so now it's it's it can't possibly be the fact that there are these tyrannical policies that many people
00:48:55.980 hate and we seem to have almost no political recourse against we petition we beg we ask the news won't even
00:49:03.260 cover it the politicians just ignore it you say we don't want to do these mandates people try to do things
00:49:08.540 against the mandates and they're like more mandates for you then you know until everybody comes along
00:49:13.180 and it's been very tyrannical and so it can't possibly be the policy that's causing the problem
00:49:17.380 is that the truckers are fascists that so it's like they have absolutely no capacity to accept
00:49:23.520 accountability for the fact that you know i'm not even of the mindset that all left-wing policy is
00:49:30.460 necessarily bad the right if it has all of its way all the time tends to get stagnant yeah you need some
00:49:36.940 movement a little bit but at the same time if you're absolutely unwilling to to take any
00:49:42.400 responsibility for your failures and to correct for those you're on a collision course with disaster
00:49:46.980 and the thing is is that when you and i'm not talking about liberal versus conservative because
00:49:52.800 there's that third category leftists leftists are literally completely convinced it's nobody leftism
00:49:59.400 never fails people just fail leftism and that's you know that's a cult mentality that that's the whole
00:50:05.960 communism has never been tried mentality yeah real communism has never been tried because you know
00:50:11.480 it got co-opted by the state and became state capitalism which is a kind of fascism which is
00:50:16.340 ultimately right-wing or you know whatever it's always that
00:50:19.640 and you said something earlier that seems to be true is that the goal of progressivism should not
00:50:29.880 be to continue to go to the left if the goals really are what they say that they are to help
00:50:36.520 the working class to help the traditionally marginalized person i think most people are on
00:50:41.480 board with that i disagree with what you say a person on the left what you say is the cause of the
00:50:48.360 problems and therefore i disagree with your proposed solutions um but if the goal is to actually help
00:50:56.020 people and lift people up i think there are a lot of conservatives that are also interested
00:51:00.160 in that the problem is is that we want to listen to people like ibram max kindy instead of someone
00:51:07.420 like walter williams or thomas soul who have really been talking about uh economic solutions to the
00:51:14.740 disparities that are between black americans and white americans no one is saying that that's a great 1.00
00:51:19.280 thing like no one is saying that it's great that black americans have a lower median income than white
00:51:24.220 americans i'm just saying if we're just going to blame that on some you know intangible idea of
00:51:32.400 white supremacy and your solution ibram max kindy is to not hire white people or to somehow discriminate
00:51:39.300 against white people which is exactly what his proposed solution is well then i'm not on board
00:51:43.980 with that and you're actually just going to get in some kind of gridlock because okay then i guess you
00:51:49.620 don't want to talk solutions and we're just going to stay as we are and i don't think that's a good
00:51:53.580 thing but i don't know what else to do because i can't agree with their premise right well their
00:51:58.580 premises are bad all the way down if you read for example paulo ferrari he's a brazilian marxist
00:52:04.120 educator he's dead now but he he was very influential he in fact is the most influential figure
00:52:10.200 in terms of what our education system does today if you read him he talks in his book pedagogy of the
00:52:16.180 oppressed he talks about trying to reach the peasants and teach them about their dependency
00:52:19.740 right and at no point does he say you know well the path out of dependency is to teach these people
00:52:24.780 responsibility teach them how to be like maybe they actually are naive maybe they actually do have
00:52:30.020 beliefs that keep them you know down oh this is just the way it is for us we're peasants you know
00:52:35.200 and they're very self-defeating and he talks about that maybe they really do have these but he doesn't
00:52:38.760 teach people to take responsibility he doesn't teach that at all in fact he says instead that you have
00:52:44.400 to teach um that the source of their dependency is the system itself and that they need to band
00:52:50.100 together in solidarity to overthrow the entire system and so you can see this mentality whether
00:52:54.160 it's in white appalachia whether it's in you know kind of the black ghetto in the cities or whatever and
00:52:59.940 you see it in ferrari and the idea is that if you were to teach the peasants responsibility or if you
00:53:05.540 were to teach the oppressed to take responsibility for their lives teach them to read teach them whatever it
00:53:10.420 happens to be to be able to lift themselves out of their dependency then what would happen is some
00:53:14.620 of them would succeed and some of them wouldn't and they would those people would therefore become
00:53:18.740 part of the problem they would actually have abandoned the neighborhood left the peasants off
00:53:22.880 even worse and become part of the problem that's oppressing in the first place they would have become
00:53:27.840 white as the racial marxists would say unfortunately yeah because whiteness is the scapegoated cultural
00:53:34.500 property uh so they would be white or white adjacent or that they are seeking white reward or you know
00:53:41.660 something of this kind and so yeah but it's always that there's some overarching structural system because
00:53:48.840 it's marxist that's actually the organizing principle of society and what you have to do is teach people
00:53:55.380 that they are made dependent or made oppressed by that system and that their only legitimate option
00:54:02.360 is actually to band together inside their oppression and dependency and negativity and have a revolution
00:54:08.960 to overthrow the whole system because it's ultimately a marxist approach and that's the that's the trap 0.97
00:54:15.060 that they're in that's the when you say you know i disagree with your diagnosis of the problem and
00:54:19.160 therefore i disagree with your prescription of the medicine that's why because that that's the way they
00:54:24.080 think about the world is that it's not any individual person's fault or even any individual person's
00:54:29.360 responsibility it's the collective's responsibility to make the world so that nobody is in oppression
00:54:35.960 or dependency but also by saying it's no one person's fault it's also everyone's fault it's
00:54:41.600 actually everyone's fault that they see on the side of the oppressor anyway which is exactly why
00:54:45.620 they don't if you know if you didn't do the thing that they wanted you to do or say the thing that
00:54:51.700 they wanted you to say even just in a performative way like posting a black square 0.73
00:54:55.660 and your defense was well i don't know that you know the george floyd incident had to do with race
00:55:01.200 i can think it was bad and that justice needs to be exacted without you know saying that had to do
00:55:07.000 with race and i don't really want to post a black square because i don't know what that represents
00:55:10.800 and i don't really know if i support black lives matter and i definitely don't support the riot and
00:55:14.420 looting just kind of like these critical questions and you get accused of racism and your defense is
00:55:18.680 well i'm not racist i just have these questions that they don't even take that as a response
00:55:24.600 for i think a couple reasons that i've heard you talk about before one because of this idea of
00:55:30.520 structural racism therefore if you have benefited from white privilege then you are racist you're
00:55:36.600 responsible for this racist structure um in some way but also this kind of kafka trap that if you deny
00:55:43.700 that you are something that is just more proof that you are actually that thing and so your only
00:55:51.580 option that is to say okay well i'm not playing anymore exactly and that's because ultimately again
00:55:55.760 if people don't know like nobody's really read marx and the people who have according to the
00:56:00.480 you know the marxists that i've read in the past or the you know who've written in the past say 20
00:56:04.660 years i don't think a lot of people understood marx um so marx had this very simple kind of
00:56:10.040 construction of the world you have this thing called the base later in the structural framing
00:56:14.340 it got called the infrastructure that's your productive workers it's also where nature is it's
00:56:18.340 where all the stuff's happening but all of your productive working class is is is the base that's
00:56:23.700 what actually builds society society is made out of that and then you have all these people who do
00:56:28.360 things like what we're doing we're talking we don't do real work we talk we write books you know
00:56:33.340 we're lawyers we mediate people's problems we're priests or pastors and we just shepherd people
00:56:38.500 through spirituality that's their opiate of their of their masses or whatever these aren't real jobs
00:56:42.960 they don't produce any real tangible stuff so in a sense marxists see that as a grift but what marx
00:56:48.880 called all of that is the superstructure of society and that's where the real organization of society
00:56:53.100 kind of gets its kind of basis and everybody who's involved in the superstructure is also known as
00:56:58.520 an ideologist an ideology is this bunch of excuses the people who get to work in the superstructure
00:57:04.560 give for why they get to be in the superstructure the why they get to do this fake work that doesn't
00:57:10.680 have to produce anything while somebody else has to toil with a hammer or a sickle
00:57:13.940 uh to produce the the the base of society and so they have these things called ideologies and they
00:57:20.900 convince themselves that their ideology is the real explanation for how the world works and so they
00:57:27.200 therefore are trapped into thinking well this is how it's supposed to be i've earned my way here
00:57:33.440 i went to school longer you know i meritocracy i i did the right stuff i did i sacrificed i've worked
00:57:40.560 my way up and you could too if you wanted to but what you have is that those two things are held in
00:57:46.560 this relationship in tension with one another and they're creating the structure of society that
00:57:51.180 organizes how society works and it therefore conditions how everybody thinks depending on where
00:57:56.120 you are positionally as they would say in intersectionality against that structure of power
00:58:01.260 where are you relationally to being part of the either cultural or material production base
00:58:08.000 where are you in terms of the ideology and one of the features of the ideology is that you think that
00:58:13.680 you don't have an ideology that's the magic sauce of the ideology you can't see it but you are being
00:58:18.720 conditioned by these structural forces that are ultimately what marx called the social relations
00:58:23.900 produced by the relationship between the infrastructure and superstructure and this is a dialectical
00:58:29.700 relationship so that's what dialectical materialism is all about so you are conditioned by that that
00:58:35.760 determines who you are it determines your character so with critical race theory whiteness becomes the
00:58:41.400 property white supremacy becomes the structure that justify it's the ideology i should say that justifies
00:58:47.780 why some people get access to whiteness and why other people don't and then systemic racism becomes the
00:58:53.560 structure that shapes all of society conditions everything and so any answer or excuse that you give
00:58:59.080 it's truly a conspiracy theory it's a huge conspiracy theory you know it reminds me not to interrupt you but
00:59:03.900 as you're talking i'm thinking i'm like this sounds exactly like what people say when they talk about
00:59:08.660 chemtrails seriously like when they're talking about chemtrails and they're like well see the chemtrails are like
00:59:15.120 uh convincing people of different things they're like playing with your mind but i i am the one person who has
00:59:21.220 escaped the power of the chemtrails and i am here to tell you about that and if you deny that chemtrails
00:59:27.320 have had an effect on your thinking it's just because it's working it's working that's right and
00:59:32.020 i use the special soap or whatever that got them out of my hair it's like no seriously though it's um
00:59:36.700 it is a huge conspiracy theory even in the book i have to call it a conspiracy theory um the whole
00:59:42.520 thing is a giant conspiracy theory and that everybody's participating in and the only people
00:59:48.360 who are aware that this is even how it works just like with the chemtrails are the people who have
00:59:53.520 the awakened consciousness in other words the marxists and so they therefore get to appoint 0.99
00:59:58.380 themselves the arbiter of how everything's going to go how everybody's going to have to respond
01:00:02.820 and they're the only if you disagree with them you must not have understood correctly so you don't have
01:00:08.220 epistemic authority to challenge them or you must be secretly a racist or it's because you're it's
01:00:13.260 because you're white and it goes back to almost like almost like pathologizing whiteness that your 0.88
01:00:17.780 white brain just can't understand because it's been conditioned by the structural reality of 0.52
01:00:23.420 systemic racism so that it's just not possible even though you know we've had comedians you know
01:00:29.920 breaking down the racial barrier by talking about white culture and doing you know eddie murphy or
01:00:34.860 whatever bernie mack all these guys coming out doing their white person voice and making fun of white
01:00:38.880 people culture like everybody's been making fun of this for a long time it's that what they're saying
01:00:43.460 doesn't even make any sense but they think they're the only ones who can actually see that this is how
01:00:49.100 this really works in society but they don't realize that they're actually in a cult
01:00:53.420 okay guys that was just part one of that conversation we had to cut it short split it
01:01:00.460 into two parts because it was really it was long and we just felt like you know you needed some time
01:01:07.300 to chew on this and to think about the things that he was saying because there's just so much to unpack
01:01:12.400 the second part of this conversation we're going to talk about our differences in theology why
01:01:16.840 christianity is so important to the found the moral foundation of lawmaking in the west and so there
01:01:23.920 are more fascinating parts to this conversation to come so stay tuned on that i'll see you guys then