Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 569 ｜ Kim & Kanye, 'Conscious Co-Parenting' & Disrupting God’s Order ｜ Guest： Delano Squires

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00:00:21.980 All right, guys, today we are talking to Delano Squires. He is a contributor for The Blaze,

00:00:29.300 and he is a writer. He's got so much insight that he is going to share with us today. We are talking

00:00:37.020 about Van Jones and his announcement that he just had a child, not with his ex-wife, who he has two

00:00:44.580 children with, but with another woman. They are calling it conscious co-parenting because they're

00:00:49.340 not actually romantically involved. They are just friends who wanted to have a child. So he's going

00:00:55.080 to tell us, what does that mean about our culture and how we view family? Why is this problematic?

00:01:01.820 We're also going to talk about Kim and Kanye, and then we're going to talk about Leah Thomas,

00:01:07.520 this swimmer that we've talked about several times, and how the rejection of God's created order,

00:01:13.000 as is demonstrated in all of these stories, is damaging to our society. He is such a wise person,

00:01:19.760 and guys, when I say that he speaks our language and the things that he says and how he talks about

00:01:25.800 them, I mean it. You are going to love him and love this conversation. So without further ado,

00:01:32.080 here is our friend Delano Squires. Delano, thank you so much for joining us. For those who may not

00:01:40.840 know, can you tell everyone who you are and what you do? Sure. My name is Delano Squires. I am a

00:01:47.980 contributor here at The Blaze. They know me as Professor D. I'm known as Professor D on Fearless

00:01:55.200 with Jason Whitlock. I'm a Christian. I'm a husband, father of three, homeschool dad, and I've

00:02:03.600 been writing for public consumption for the better part of the last 10 years. First with a site called

00:02:10.120 Black and Married with Kids. Then I wrote for The Root, a couple pieces on The Griot. Then I had my own

00:02:17.000 blog for a period of time, and then I wrote for The Federalist, and I've been with The Blaze since last

00:02:22.520 July. Wow. And one thing that I want to talk to you about just briefly before we get into what we

00:02:28.240 will actually be discussing today, you're a homeschool dad of three. We have a lot of homeschool parents

00:02:34.280 out there, a lot of people who are considering homeschool, especially over the past couple of

00:02:39.020 years. They're kind of intimidated by the prospect. Can you tell us how you and your wife decided that

00:02:45.180 you wanted to homeschool your kids and what that looks like on a day-to-day basis?

00:02:50.720 Yeah, I mean, it's a great question. Our oldest is six, so we have a six-year-old,

00:02:56.760 a three-year-old who turned four in July, and then our last just turned two last week. So

00:03:03.380 really, our oldest is the one who gets the bulk of the instruction. Yes. But we really decided,

00:03:09.760 honestly, after just a number of years of discussing how we're going to do childcare and

00:03:17.540 school, my wife is actually, prior to coming home, she worked as a social worker, and we realized that

00:03:25.040 right before the pandemic, right before our third was supposed to be born, that the prospect of paying

00:03:32.320 for daycare for a second child meant that she was going to be spending her entire day taking care 0.79

00:03:38.780 of other people's children, and we were going to be paying someone to take care of ours.

00:03:43.760 So part of it was a practical decision, you know, sort of based on dollars and cents, but honestly,

00:03:49.100 a big part of it was just us growing in our faith, and particularly me, because when she first

00:03:56.840 floated the idea of coming home years ago, I thought she was joking about it,

00:04:02.320 and I realized now that my mind had been just as conditioned by sort of, you know, feminist thought 0.82

00:04:10.220 around women's primary place being in the workplace and being wage earners, that I just, I didn't

00:04:18.560 consider the impact of having her home with our children, particularly in their early years.

00:04:24.280 So part of it was just, you know, our faith developing, listening to, you know, people like

00:04:29.880 Pastor Votie Bauckham, who I know you are a big fan of, and your audience is probably a big fan of,

00:04:35.800 hearing him explain that when Christians send their children to be educated by Caesar,

00:04:42.060 that we shouldn't be surprised when they come home acting like Romans. And we start to see with our 1.00

00:04:47.780 oldest at her public charter school, they had up some materials, you know, around Black Lives Matter.

00:04:56.580 They had A as for activists in the school library. And even though I don't think it touched her

00:05:03.060 classroom, because I mean, she was in the youngest, she was in a pre-K three class. And I think our

00:05:07.760 teachers were, you know, really dedicated to helping the children develop like those basic building

00:05:13.140 blocks. When I emailed the principal and asked, hey, do you all know what these groups stand for?

00:05:19.100 What is your position on them? I never heard a response. So that was one of the final straws for

00:05:24.980 me. But a big part of it was just thinking about my duty, particularly as a Christian father,

00:05:32.520 to educate our children. And I see equal education is equal parts scholarship and discipleship. So

00:05:39.880 once I started to reframe the issue that way, making that decision, you know, with my wife became a lot

00:05:46.520 easier. And you mentioned that this happened as your faith grew, and you grew in wisdom and

00:05:53.020 understanding. And of course, as we grow in the fear of the Lord, we do grow in wisdom. And that

00:05:57.340 means a lot of things change. I'm curious if your politics also changed. You mentioned that you

00:06:03.560 wrote for The Root, which is a pretty left wing publication. I'm not sure what the subject of your

00:06:10.360 articles was, but have your politics changed as your faith and worldview have evolved?

00:06:18.920 That's a great question. In some ways, they have. 2020 was the first time I ever voted for a

00:06:25.720 Republican, you know, in any election. Part of it, I mean, I grew up in New York City, there weren't that

00:06:31.620 many Republicans to vote for. And I didn't become eligible to vote until I went off to college anyway.

00:06:37.960 But I was raised in a home, raised by a church-going family. So I've always been in and around the

00:06:49.120 church as a kid. And I would say that the personal views of my parents and relatives and church family

00:06:57.180 members would be considered conservative, even if their voting record wasn't so. So in some respects,

00:07:06.740 my politics have changed. I think the biggest part of it is just trying to, you know, apply a biblical

00:07:13.400 worldview to every issue I encounter. So even the interesting thing is that even when I wrote for

00:07:19.000 The Root, my articles were on, one was the lessons my father taught me. So that was like a Father's Day

00:07:26.620 tribute. One was talking about Bill Cosby and the fact that members of the left really started to

00:07:36.160 have disdain for Cosby after his pound cake speech. It wasn't the allegations of sexual assault.

00:07:42.280 And another one was a critique of Republicans, particularly Black Republicans, 0.79

00:07:46.960 based on how they would do outreach to potential Black voters.

00:07:52.720 And long before people heard of Candace Owens, there was a woman named Crystal Wright, known as GOP Black Chick. 1.00

00:07:59.240 And on the first day, I think it was February 1st, 2016, so basically the first day of Black History Month,

00:08:06.300 she was on, you know, Fox and Friends and called Black people, I think it was politically ignorant,

00:08:13.840 political dummies. That's what it was. And I sort of get the point she was making in terms of her thoughts

00:08:20.500 that, you know, Black voters were being abused by the left. But I just thought that was a totally wrong way

00:08:25.380 to go about it. So I was calling balls and strikes, you know, even back then. But, you know, to your

00:08:32.940 question, I think in some ways my politics have evolved. And I think more than anything, I have

00:08:39.700 started to see more clearly the types of the impact of the policies that the left pushes, and particularly

00:08:47.760 in the Black community. So even something, for instance, like

00:08:52.060 President Obama's opposition to the

00:08:56.300 voucher program in D.C., you know, where I'm located,

00:08:59.840 you know, when he came into office, he said his daughters couldn't go

00:09:03.980 to D.C. public schools. And then the first thing he did when he got in office was try to

00:09:08.080 cut a voucher program that actually served low-income

00:09:11.100 residents in the city. And I started to realize that the left's

00:09:15.820 promotion of diversity is really superficial representation

00:09:20.160 masking as, you know, legitimate, you know, political interests.

00:09:27.120 Right.

00:09:27.820 And once I realized that, I said, like, this is just smoke and mirrors. A lot of times

00:09:33.060 these policies don't really benefit us. They really serve the politicians who are promoting

00:09:38.660 them and their interests, the teachers' unions, and in the case of, you know, abortion, Planned

00:09:43.640 Parenthood, and so on and so forth. So I think over the last couple of years, I've just evolved

00:09:48.280 in some of those areas. And for lack of a better term, the scales have been lifted off of my eyes.

00:09:55.180 Yeah, I think that happens for all of us in one way or another as we try to apply more accurately

00:10:02.240 a biblical worldview. That doesn't necessarily mean we come to all of the same conclusions when it

00:10:06.920 comes to different policy issues. But we certainly see about a number of ideas that the things that

00:10:12.300 we thought before just weren't true, or we saw them in the wrong way, and we see a fuller picture

00:10:17.080 now. It really is amazing how biblical wisdom really does enlighten us and the practical and

00:10:24.540 the political and the social as well. One area that I think that you are just so strong in that you

00:10:30.200 really have been a beacon of light in is talking about the family, not just, you know, the black

00:10:36.220 family, but the family in general, the family that God created mom, dad, children, and the importance

00:10:41.660 of the cohesion of the family. And I came across one of your articles that you shared on Twitter for

00:10:48.940 The Blaze talking about Van Jones and his friends deciding to engage in what he is calling conscious

00:10:56.600 co-parenting. So he was married. He had two kids with his wife. He divorced her in 2018, or they got a

00:11:07.720 divorce in 2018. So people were kind of surprised that, okay, he had another kid, a girl just recently,

00:11:14.940 and that he says that he is parenting with a woman who he's just friends with. Tell me your take on this.

00:11:22.780 Is this, you know, a fine alternative to a married mom and dad having kids together?

00:11:29.940 That was a nice alley-oop, Allie. I mean, it's, I think what the ideas that Van Jones is promoting

00:11:39.320 are incredibly harmful. Because in his announcement, he didn't just say, I'm doing this, this is a private

00:11:46.520 decision, you know, between me and my friend. He said, this is a, this is a, a model for parenting

00:11:53.620 that I think other people should explore. And I think that that was really one of the most harmful

00:11:59.580 things about it. And what I've written before for The Blaze and in other venues is that issues around

00:12:06.740 family, and you're right, it's not, it's not just the black family, but I focus in that area for

00:12:11.240 particular reasons. And I can mention those really quickly. But, you know, this issue in terms of

00:12:17.820 family breakdown to me is the single biggest social issue facing our country today. And when people

00:12:25.400 like Van Jones or other celebrities on the left erode the natural family, one, one man, one woman

00:12:34.620 for one lifetime, you know, committed to each other and the well-being of their progeny,

00:12:41.420 it really has impacts that go, that reverberate far outside of their households.

00:12:47.160 So I think it's one of these things where, you know, sometimes people, celebrities do this a lot,

00:12:52.580 where they will adopt an alternative lifestyle, quote unquote, and then try to come up with language

00:12:57.840 and new concepts to try to justify it for the masses. This almost never happens in the reverse,

00:13:05.760 right? So a lot of the things that we've accepted, even some of the issues around, you know, sex and

00:13:12.180 gender identity, have only found firm footing in our society because of who's promoting them, 1.00

00:13:19.580 right? If, if transgender ideology and gender theory was being pushed up from mechanics of the

00:13:27.960 jiffy lube, nobody would take them seriously. But because they come from the ivory tower and the

00:13:32.840 academy, then people, you know, grant them a level of legitimacy that they that they shouldn't have.

00:13:38.800 So I think what Van Jones is doing is extremely harmful. And I hope it's not something that catches

00:13:45.120 on, particularly in this day and age where I said, so many children across ethnic groups are being

00:13:51.460 raised by parents who aren't married. And I'm of the position that, and this is where I want to be

00:13:57.980 specific in terms of, you know, what I'm saying. I don't equate not married to father absence or

00:14:05.020 father abandonment. And sometimes on the right, people will use those terms interchangeably. They'll

00:14:09.620 say, for instance, you know, 80% of black kids are abandoned by their fathers. And that's not true.

00:14:14.140 Um, now what you can say is between 70, 75% of black children are born to unmarried parents.

00:14:20.480 That is true. Um, and that, again, you can chart, you can see that rise in non-maryland births across

00:14:28.300 groups. Um, but I think it's good to be, to be specific about what we're talking about. And

00:14:34.800 as I said, I think what Van Jones, Van Jones is doing is, is pretty, pretty destructive.

00:14:39.620 Yeah. And, you know, I raised some, um, questions on, on Twitter. What happens if one of them gets

00:14:46.260 a new job and has to move away? What happens if one of them decides to get married and wants to have

00:14:51.180 kids with someone else? And so there are all kinds of different logistical questions about this. And

00:14:56.300 of course, some pushback that I got was, all right, but that could happen with anyone. That's true of any

00:15:01.240 relationship that could happen in a marriage or that could happen, you know, with any two people.

00:15:05.620 And my response would be, well, that's, that's actually the point, whether they're dating or not

00:15:11.840 anytime, especially this, I think brings it to another ethical and moral level in a problematic

00:15:19.020 way that they are purposely creating a child outside of the bonds of marriage. It's not that,

00:15:23.880 oh, this was a surprise pregnancy or, oh, uh, you know, they were married, they had a child and

00:15:29.640 something happened, you know, circumstances happened. That's unfortunate. They're purposely

00:15:33.940 creating a child outside the bonds of marriage. And my point is, in bringing up all of these

00:15:38.760 questions, what if this happens? What if this happens? It's not to say, okay, this particular

00:15:44.060 scenario is, uh, you know, practically different than if they were dating. My point is that, yeah,

00:15:49.620 these are the questions you have to ask anytime you bring life into the world. When you're not

00:15:53.800 married, marriage is a child friendly institution. As you talked about in this article, the data has

00:15:59.920 been in for decades that when kids are born to a present mother and father, when the mother and

00:16:05.440 father are in the home, they simply have a greater chance of emotional and social and even financial

00:16:11.400 success. That doesn't mean that the child that is born to a single mom or who is even abandoned by mom,

00:16:17.000 whatever it is, can't have a successful life or that they won't thrive and have a wonderful family

00:16:22.480 and be productive one day. But the best foundation for a child is a married mother and father. To me,

00:16:29.380 it is unethical. It is entirely unethical and immoral to, like I said, deliberately bring a child

00:16:36.860 into a situation that is going to be inherently unstable and insecure, going from house to house,

00:16:45.260 not really knowing fully who they belong to, knowing that your parents don't love each other.

00:16:51.120 And it just goes back to me, to this narcissistic age that we live in, that we believe that we have

00:16:56.060 a right to have a child. We don't have a right to have a child, that we basically view having children

00:17:02.240 as just kind of something that if we want to, we can check it off the box. And we imagine that

00:17:07.180 children are just, you know, endlessly adaptable, that they can just do whatever we say,

00:17:11.940 you know, oh, they'll be fine. They'll be fine. They'll be fine. But it's not true. Children are

00:17:16.360 not fine. They actually need some kind of stability and security in their life that is really brought

00:17:21.900 to them by marriage. Absolutely. I mean, you hit on so many key points. I use this analogy, right?

00:17:30.380 There's a difference between, you know, someone on a road trip who gets a flat tire and has to drive

00:17:39.100 from, I don't know, Houston to Dallas on a spare and going in and purchasing a brand new car,

00:17:46.800 right, that already has a spare tire on it and going to the manufacturer and saying, hey,

00:17:52.960 what's going on with this vehicle? And they say, well, we've decided since it's possible to drive

00:17:57.420 long distances with a spare, that for the sake of, you know, cost cutting measures, we're going to

00:18:03.020 start building all of our cars that way. Because we all know intuitively that the best way to get,

00:18:11.540 you know, efficient usage out of your vehicle is for it to have four fully functional tires.

00:18:19.300 Now, you can, again, you can ride on a spare for a period of time, but no one would advise that

00:18:24.900 you build cars that way. Right. And in the same way, it takes two people to make a child,

00:18:30.880 but somehow our society has been convinced that it only takes one to raise them. And I also think

00:18:37.460 that this discussion would be entirely different if, for instance, 40% of mothers lived separately

00:18:46.300 from their children. Because no one debates the importance of mothers when it comes to rearing of 0.82

00:18:51.540 children. But somehow for fathers, they become expendable in some respects. And I think a big

00:18:57.580 part of that has to do with, you know, financial security and financial security is important,

00:19:02.940 right? I believe every child is entitled to be supported by both mother and father. But when you

00:19:09.480 look at men as just a paycheck, what you end up doing is sort of supporting the argument of people 0.74

00:19:17.540 say, well, single motherhood or single parenthood generally is not particularly bad if the woman

00:19:25.340 in question has the resources to support a child. And what you end up doing is losing the part of

00:19:33.640 fatherhood that's about, you know, the protection of your child, the affirmation of their worth and

00:19:41.580 dignity, the types, the ways in which fathers interact with children differently. We play

00:19:48.060 differently. We encourage them to take more risks. Sometimes we discipline differently. And children

00:19:53.440 need both of those things. But for some reason, we've convinced ourselves that, you know, dads don't

00:19:58.260 particularly matter. We're like the cultural appendix, right? Great if you have one, but not 0.84

00:20:02.720 particularly necessary. Yeah. And I think that's that's a really, really bad move.

00:20:12.280 You know, gosh, that's a that's a really good point that fathers are seen as more expendable,

00:20:17.740 it seems like, than mothers. And yet, you know, because I have talked recently and have had a few

00:20:23.640 guests on talking about really the corruption that's in the surrogacy industry. And also I had

00:20:29.620 I had someone who is an advocate for the right of children to have a mother and a father, there are a

00:20:35.640 lot of ethical and moral problems with this with the reproduction industry. And one of them is that

00:20:44.840 through a lot of these processes, a child is taken away from either their biological mother or their

00:20:51.580 biological father to be raised by two moms, or to be raised by two dads. And because of that, 0.58

00:20:58.500 you're actually seeing a phenomenon that we've never seen before in human history. And that is

00:21:03.700 motherlessness. So you have a child that is being raised by two dads, they, you know, picked a

00:21:10.180 surrogate and an egg donor, maybe out of the catalog. And they have this child because like a lot of

00:21:15.680 people today, like Van Jones, they think they have a right to have a child, no matter the ethical

00:21:19.720 questions. And so now you are creating a generation of kids who their mother is actually seen in

00:21:28.480 as expendable. That is, I'm not saying that that's better or worse than the father being seen as

00:21:35.120 expendable. I'm just saying, I don't even think that we have seen the repercussions of that long

00:21:42.540 term. We've kind of seen, unfortunately, fatherlessness throughout history. It's much more difficult for a

00:21:48.720 woman to do that just because she's physically attached to her child. There's even more bonding 0.99

00:21:52.580 that happens when that child is born. So we've seen, unfortunately, the damaging effects

00:21:57.260 of fatherlessness throughout history. Now we are actually manufacturing motherlessness,

00:22:02.900 which just goes to show that when we view children as basically, you know, possessions,

00:22:10.980 when we don't take the formation of the family seriously, which I think goes back to not taking

00:22:18.780 God seriously as the authority over and the creator of all of these things, there's going to be really

00:22:24.740 serious consequences for kids who, by the way, don't consent to any of this and unfortunately are

00:22:31.280 forced into a situation where they don't know their mom or dad. Yeah. And I said that in articles like

00:22:37.520 the adults want to reap the benefits, but the children are the ones who pay the cost. Yeah. I mean,

00:22:44.380 you hit the nail on the head again. I think in many respects, our culture sees children as

00:22:48.920 trinkets, as baubles, as, you know, a capstone on a self, you know, self-fulfilled life. And I think

00:22:59.180 all of those things, as you said, have a tremendous impact on the fabric of society, on the well-being

00:23:07.480 of children. You know, I also mentioned in the column how in generations past, the children of

00:23:15.800 divorced parents would be seen as sympathetic, you know, sort of victims in some respects,

00:23:20.820 collateral damage of the fallout and breakdown of relationship between a mom and a dad.

00:23:26.060 But now with the genre of divorce made me better essays and books, primarily by women.

00:23:33.240 Right. Yep. Children don't even factor into that. Right. So when the woman who wrote that 1.00

00:23:38.040 recent essay in the Atlantic said that she destroyed her family, I mean, the children really were an

00:23:43.560 afterthought. They were only mentioned to the extent that, you know, she said, well, now we have,

00:23:48.920 you know, two apartments and the kids go in between both. But who knows how that is going to affect,

00:23:57.140 you know, children and her children, both now and in the long term. And a lot of times people will focus

00:24:03.820 on obviously the well-being, the financial security for kids. But one of the key benefits of marriage,

00:24:13.540 and particularly in family formation in the way that God designed it, is that it has incredible

00:24:19.280 modeling benefits for children. When kids get to see mom and dad up close negotiating their relationship,

00:24:26.760 loving and respecting one another, and seeing what the type of security and safety that that brings,

00:24:34.760 that gives them something to model their own relationships after. But if all they know is

00:24:41.300 adults who either don't or can't commit to one another, or adults who commit to one another and

00:24:47.360 then break up because one of them says, I don't feel fulfilled. I'm tired of being known only as

00:24:54.340 your mom or dad or, you know, your wife or husband. I think it makes it a lot more difficult

00:25:02.360 for those children to then want to have, you know, marriages of their own. And I think that's part of

00:25:10.920 the reason we're starting to see this, and particularly among millennials who grew up hearing, you know,

00:25:19.460 first comes love, then comes marriage, then comes baby in the baby carriage. And now are living,

00:25:26.840 if I had to make a new rhyme, I'd say, you know, Chris and Jessica staring at their screens, T-E-X-T-I-N-G,

00:25:34.260 first comes sex, then comes baby, then comes marriage, but that's a big maybe, right? The paradigm

00:25:41.360 has completely shifted where we're putting the cart before the horse and the kid has totally

00:25:49.360 dropped off the cart. So, you know, I think it's one of those things where we are doing a lot of

00:25:55.960 social experimentation in this country around gender, gender identity, sex, sexuality, family

00:26:02.940 formation. And we have no idea what the doors we're opening will bring forward in the years to

00:26:12.600 come. Yep, absolutely. We say a lot on this show that children are always the unconsenting subjects

00:26:19.240 of progressive social experiments, whether it is the redefinition of marriage and the family,

00:26:25.520 whether it's reproductive technology, a lot of forms of reproduction, reproductive technology, 0.98

00:26:30.800 whether it is COVID policy, whether it's gender ideology, or whether it's abortion. Children are

00:26:36.880 always the one placed on the altar of basically adults' whims. And it just takes a lot of hubris,

00:26:46.160 a lot of pride. I think it's the result of people believing that they are their own God. And so they

00:26:51.860 can take people who don't have the power to know or say otherwise and say, well, I want you to live how I

00:26:58.340 want you to live in the context that I find convenient and good for myself, and you'll just

00:27:04.020 be fine. And unfortunately, I don't know that we will get a whole lot of research out of

00:27:09.720 intelligentsia of the true consequences of this, because they're bought and paid for by politics.

00:27:16.360 They're driven by ideology. And so at the end of the day, for the Christian, even though data is 0.80

00:27:21.140 important, facts are important, studies are important, what we can trust in is that we can

00:27:27.860 trust in Genesis 1. We can trust that the family is supposed to be a certain way because God created

00:27:32.920 it that way. And anytime we go from what's natural to what's possible, there are going to be questions

00:27:41.340 that Christians really need to grapple with. That doesn't mean that what's possible through technology 0.82

00:27:46.040 or, you know, social change is bad. It just means that there are always going to be questions,

00:27:52.660 especially when kids are involved. And that kind of transitions into and if you have comments on that,

00:27:59.100 I would love to hear them. But that kind of does transition us into what I want to talk to you about

00:28:03.760 next, which kind of just emphasizes everything we're talking about, which is Kim and Kanye,

00:28:08.680 based on what you just said, like you talked about that Atlantic article and how these articles are mostly

00:28:12.820 written by women, that they're liberated from their past life of motherhood and marriage and all of

00:28:18.140 this stuff. I mean, it's just really sad and bitter to me. But Kim Kardashian recently said,

00:28:22.820 according to Vogue, that I've chosen myself. She said, for so long, I did what made other people

00:28:28.440 happy, the 41-year-old explains. And I think in the last two years, I decided I'm going to make

00:28:33.340 myself happy. And that feels really good. And even if that created changes and caused my divorce,

00:28:39.380 I think it's important to be honest with yourself about what really makes you happy.

00:28:43.240 I've chosen myself. I think it's okay to choose you. And of course, they have two children or four

00:28:50.940 children together. And so this whole thing, as well as the public drama that has unfolded has really

00:28:55.580 made me sad. What's your reaction to all of that? Yeah. So, I mean, I wanted to touch on your first

00:29:02.940 point because actually, I had the benefit of being connected to a great local church. And in our men's

00:29:10.380 theology class this past Friday, we were talking about common grace. And we talked about why believers

00:29:17.680 need to have discernment when it comes to things like, you know, scientific advances in medical

00:29:23.040 technology. Because if we have no limit, if everything that science produces, we see as an

00:29:29.500 unadulterated good, then when scientists begin to play God, the Christian has no basis on which to 0.97

00:29:41.840 say, okay, that far and not a step further. Exactly. So whether it's the reproductive technology

00:29:49.160 or certain types of stem cell research, if we don't have a biblical worldview on these things,

00:29:57.100 we're going to get swept up, you know, with, you know, the rest of the mainstream. And I think is

00:30:03.960 one of the most disappointing sort of aspects, and particularly the last two years, um, with the

00:30:10.820 rise of, you know, some social justice movements and, and, and BLM and racial rec talk of racial

00:30:17.780 reckonings. Um, I have seen prominent evangelicals who spend more time talking about what white 0.98

00:30:27.580 conservative Christians thought about, you know, the civil rights act of 1964, then they do talking

00:30:34.060 about the impacts of the equality act of 2021. Um, and it's one of those things where I understand you,

00:30:40.860 you want to address the past and, and I'm, I'm off of studying history primarily to, to learn from it,

00:30:47.640 not to relitigate it, but the silence of, of in many respects, the, the Davos evangelical crowd

00:30:56.480 means that we are compromising the future of our children. Um, and to me, that's, that's much more

00:31:02.380 important, um, than whether you can get, you know, the members of your church to, to, to mimic three

00:31:09.820 words and say, yes, I, you know, I, I believe in racial justice. Okay. Well, first of all, what does

00:31:15.500 that even mean? And, and two, how is, you know, how are the things that the people you are following,

00:31:22.560 how do they square with the scripture? Um, and I, and what I, what I found over the last couple of

00:31:26.960 years is that a lot of pastors, theologians, public intellectuals who identify as Christian,

00:31:32.040 um, have just been asleep at the wheel. So, so, so that's on that point, um, on the Kim and Kanye

00:31:38.260 stuff. I mean, I, I think we're seeing, you know, the, that passage you read from Kim Kardashian squares

00:31:44.640 perfectly with what I see every single day. And again, men have their own challenges around family.

00:31:52.420 A couple of generations ago, the, the mid-level manager, madman type of ad exec who runs off with

00:32:00.480 the secretary to start a new life was sort of a well-worn, um, archetype. But now what we have is

00:32:08.160 the, the generation of me first mommies. Um, and obviously you, you know, this, I know you are

00:32:15.020 speaking our language. Yes. My wife read your book. She loves it. And, uh, but, but I see it all the time.

00:32:22.200 It's always about me, you know, finding myself and my truth and my happiness. And I think that,

00:32:28.780 that follows that pattern of general narcissism in our, in our country, which is a bipartisan

00:32:35.140 sort of, uh, fair across all ideological lines where everything is about how I as an individual

00:32:44.180 feel, always about rights, never about responsibilities. And as I said, and we're both saying,

00:32:50.740 you know, the kids are the ones who end up getting left in the lurch. So I'm not particularly

00:32:55.460 surprised, you know, by, by Kim and Kanye. And as a, as a dad, there's some things that Kanye West

00:33:01.580 has done that I just find extremely concerning and disappointing. And just, just being able to

00:33:07.580 have private conversations with your, your spouse or potentially soon to be ex-wife without leaking

00:33:13.660 them to the media. So he, he has his own challenges, but nothing about her statement surprised me

00:33:20.640 given the moment that we're in right now.

00:33:23.360 Yeah. And you know, this is not about, at least on this show, we're not even getting into like

00:33:28.260 the details of the back and forth and the drama or saying that, you know, their marriage was great.

00:33:33.560 And that's like you said, that Kanye is without fault. It's not about that at all. Unfortunately.

00:33:38.420 I mean, it's been really sad, honestly, to watch all of this unfold and to get, to see their kids

00:33:44.740 caught in the crosshair. I know one thing I don't even know. I'm sure I disagree with Kanye on a lot,

00:33:49.520 but one thing that he said, which again, I agree he should have handled privately, but

00:33:52.860 he talked about, you know, their eight-year-old daughter being on TikTok and Kim even shared like

00:34:00.160 some thoughts about that, that basically it just makes her happy. It makes her daughter happy. 0.95

00:34:05.600 That also seems to be an issue among a lot of parents, not just when it comes to social media,

00:34:12.460 but maybe especially when it comes to social media. Well, this makes my child happy. This is what

00:34:16.960 satisfies them right now. This is what they want to do. It makes them feel good about themselves.

00:34:21.160 So it doesn't really surprise me for like a mom. If a mom thinks that the highest priority,

00:34:26.620 the only priority in life is doing what makes you happy in the moment. You pass that down to your

00:34:30.820 kids that manifests itself in potentially like really dangerous behavior. My personal opinion is

00:34:37.640 that kids should not be on social media at all, especially TikTok. So like I got his point there,

00:34:43.140 but all of this kind of makes sense, but it's also like the consequences of a fractured family too.

00:34:49.380 Oh yeah. Oh yeah, absolutely. And I mean that, that, um, the type of culture that has created,

00:34:56.440 you know, children's happiness, quote unquote, at all costs. I mean, we, we've been seeing that play

00:35:02.480 out for a number of years that that's part of what has fueled the, you know, participation trophy

00:35:08.100 generation. And part of the reason I think so many, you know, children are, and young adults are so,

00:35:15.000 um, sensitive and anxious and neurotic and fragile is because they have been trained their entire lives

00:35:21.740 that their happiness is what counts, you know, more than anything. So, um, that, that part is not a

00:35:29.380 surprise at all. And I share your perspective in terms of social media, um, or even honestly,

00:35:35.760 just things like screen time in general is just so much of what we're getting, um, from our culture

00:35:42.060 is about instant gratification. And it's hard enough as adults to manage some of these things and,

00:35:47.000 you know, some training and discipling a generation of children in these things is, is even worse. But

00:35:53.540 yeah, I mean, ultimately it's, it's the kids that get caught, caught in a crossfire. I believe they

00:36:00.160 have four children together. Um, I don't doubt that both of them are involved in caring parents.

00:36:06.740 What did I say that, you know, the, the breakdown of their family is in many respects, similar to what

00:36:12.540 we see in other families. It's just, they have, you know, way more resources to, to deal with it.

00:36:17.700 And, and, um, it's interesting because in some of Kanye's responses, he's, he has talked about

00:36:23.060 himself as, you know, as, as a black man and the father of black children. And one of the reasons

00:36:29.080 that, that I've written about the black family specifically, um, it's, it's not that the issue

00:36:34.320 is different, but the breakdown of the black family specifically has been attributed to different

00:36:41.940 causes than other families. So if, you know, white liberals and white conservatives are at a

00:36:49.180 conference and they're talking about, you know, why the non-marital birth rate, uh, among white

00:36:56.020 Americans is higher than it was among black Americans. When the Moynihan report came out in the

00:37:02.680 mid sixties, um, none of those people is going to respond that has anything to do with slavery, right?

00:37:08.280 But that's one of the things that you hear in the black community often. Now the data suggests

00:37:12.280 that, um, from emancipation up until, you know, the middle of the 20th century, um, black Americans,

00:37:23.280 I think under men and women under 35 were more likely to be married, um, than, than their white

00:37:28.680 counterparts. So what you see is, is a trajectory of the black family that obviously was decimated 1.00

00:37:36.120 by slavery that got stronger from emancipation through Jim Crow, um, reached sort of, uh,

00:37:45.120 uh, uh, a tipping point in the mid sixties, which sort of necessitated the Moynihan report.

00:37:52.380 And, and at that time it was 25% of black children were being born to unmarried parents.

00:37:57.440 And by the time you get into the mid eighties, it was over 50% and it's been over 70%, um, for

00:38:03.680 well over the last decade. So, um, the, the other thing really quick that I think needs

00:38:09.020 to be addressed is, uh, it's the fact that in, in the black community, there are so many

00:38:16.240 intellectuals, academics, media professionals who, who aren't just sort of ambivalent about

00:38:24.220 the family. They are actively hostile to the notion of the nuclear family, because these are

00:38:30.440 people who have been influenced by Marxism, um, and feminism, um, and they see patriarchy

00:38:39.820 as a much more sort of dangerous influence, particularly to black women and black children 0.89

00:38:46.740 than, you know, sort of the loss of the nuclear family. And I, and I've been in debates with some

00:38:52.600 of these people who will openly say the black family, the black community does not need nuclear

00:38:57.960 families to thrive. Um, this is the same ideology that was sort of mimicked in BLM's black villages 0.99

00:39:06.060 principle that starts out that they are committed to disrupting the Western prescribed nuclear

00:39:10.720 family. And then they go on in that principle to talk about supporting villages, quote unquote,

00:39:17.260 and other family structures to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.

00:39:24.440 They never mentioned that website. Yeah, right. They never, they never mentioned fathers as if,

00:39:29.700 as if fathers don't exist. And I even said this yesterday in response to, you know, a related tweet

00:39:34.780 that for people who think like this, black men are only needed for their seed to create life

00:39:43.220 and for their corpses to fuel activism, never as a husband or head of his home. Um, and I think

00:39:51.320 it's important to name that specifically. A new phenomenon increasingly women are, and this is not 0.99

00:40:02.000 even a racial issue at all, but women are just seen as, you know, as, as wombs, or I'm not even sure 0.96

00:40:10.000 the term woman has become so arbitrary in the same way that a man and what he actually brings to the

00:40:17.600 table brings to a family brings uniquely to different spheres of society has kind of been,

00:40:25.020 it's been patronized. It's been belittled. I mean, we saw the father in sitcoms for the past 30 years

00:40:33.060 has been turned into a dunce and silly while the serious mother has been the one who is, you know,

00:40:39.180 actually keeping the family together. That's certainly reflected in society. And then, so while

00:40:45.320 male has been belittled, the definition of female has become completely arbitrary. I don't know if

00:40:52.660 those two things go hand in hand, like the feminization of masculinity has turned into 0.75

00:40:58.380 men trying to become women. And then the term woman also becoming belittled and arbitrary.

00:41:05.060 I'm just kind of like flush. I don't know if the, I guess those things come together and maybe this

00:41:08.940 just, again, goes back to the rejection of God as the creator and the authority and the rejection of

00:41:15.340 Genesis one. And obviously we're seeing the consequences of that in the family, as we just

00:41:19.900 described, but we're also seeing the consequences of that in men now infiltrating women's spaces.

00:41:25.680 That's not happening the other way around. And you've talked about this recently. So I do,

00:41:30.920 I want to get your, um, your take on Leah Thomas, the swimmer that we've talked about several times,

00:41:37.820 previously Will Thomas, a man identifying as a woman swims for the university of Pennsylvania

00:41:43.780 was like 462nd. I think when it came to collegiate swimmers, when he was identifying and presenting as

00:41:51.400 a man and competing against men. And now is number one, of course, among collegiate swimmers. Um,

00:41:57.700 now that he is competing against women. And then there is also, uh, there's also a, uh, a woman 0.75

00:42:05.280 who identifies as a man who has gotten surgery, who still gets to compete against women. Why doesn't 0.99

00:42:12.180 this person who now goes by Isaac compete against men? It's just kind of funny. Um, but I want to get

00:42:18.220 your take on that after we watch this clip of Leah Thomas dominate smoke, uh, his competition. 1.00

00:42:27.700 Thomas heads in for the final turn. It's going to be a race for second place. It might be

00:42:33.680 Penn going one, two with Barroker making the turn currently in second place. And over the last half

00:42:40.080 of the pool, nobody will touch Leah Thomas, who will finish at 437-32. Leah Thomas, Ivy League champion. 1.00

00:42:48.100 Wow. Delano, I don't know about you, but I just feel inspired and proud to be a woman with that

00:42:58.600 dainty, lovely lady who is just setting records. It just makes me feel so proud. Um, and so feminist-y 1.00

00:43:07.160 and so happy to see a woman be such a dominant athlete. What about you?

00:43:13.700 I mean, I think you framing this in, in, in, in biblical terms, right? In terms of what happens

00:43:24.160 when people reject the truth of, of God's creation is important, particularly for Christians, because

00:43:31.120 this is exactly what we're seeing. Right. And many of us would understand this issue. If, for instance,

00:43:38.520 if someone used their, their, um, their iPhone as a coaster, someone looking at them do that would

00:43:46.780 say, well, that's, that's not the purpose of an iPhone, right? That's not what you use it for.

00:43:50.640 That's not what it was created for. Um, if Steve Jobs was still alive, he would tell you that he

00:43:55.340 would say, you're using my creation in a way that is outside of my intention. But when it comes to God's

00:44:02.760 creation, somehow we reject it, we think we know better. We think we know better than the manufacturer.

00:44:09.060 And what we're seeing is, you know, the, the malfunctioning of a society that's using its iPhone

00:44:17.060 as a coaster basically. So I think there are people who desire, um, an androgynous future where male and

00:44:26.180 female, um, have no particular meaning. And I know, Ali, you, you've, you've probably seen this.

00:44:32.760 There was a time where, when we talked about transgenderism, you would hear about gender

00:44:36.440 dysphoria and, and mental health and mental illness that has sort of faded away. There was a time

00:44:42.820 where people would draw a clear distinction between, um, a person who identified a male who identified as

00:44:50.300 a woman. And now people are saying that, for instance, someone like Leah Thomas is a female.

00:44:56.480 So when the New York Times says that, um, the, the deputy secretary of HHS has become the first female

00:45:04.640 admiral, they're, they're, they are capturing sort of rhetorical and cultural territory that to this point,

00:45:13.680 um, you know, sort of the normals have, have had access to, and, and they're moving us further

00:45:20.020 and further away from God's truth. So yeah, I've, I've written about Leah Thomas, you know, a number

00:45:25.500 of times and, and what his victory means both for women's sports, but really, I think it's a reflection

00:45:31.760 of, of something I wrote in a, in an article for the blaze, you know, about a week or so ago. And it's

00:45:38.440 really that I think feminists hate women. Um, and I hate to put it so, so boldly, but it's hard to, 1.00

00:45:47.840 to claim you care for a group of people when you reject the very things that make those people

00:45:53.900 unique. And ultimately for feminists, they want to be wherever the men are. And, um, if, if, 1.00

00:46:04.440 and, and, and, and I mean, that was the case, you know, years ago, if the men were in the workplace,

00:46:08.760 they say, okay, we want to be in the workplace. If the men were at certain private clubs, we want to be 0.82

00:46:13.400 there. It never goes in reverse. You know, men don't typically say we want to break in on women's

00:46:19.340 night at the bowling alley because we say, okay, but women have their own spaces and we respect that. 1.00

00:46:24.420 Now what the feminists are doing are saying, we want to get the men into where the women are 1.00

00:46:29.320 and the rise of Leah Thomas and swimming, um, CC Telfer and track, same thing, uh, uh, biological male 0.95

00:46:39.460 who quote unquote transitions and goes from mediocre racing against men to an NCAA champion

00:46:47.120 racing against women. Um, and it really is sad. It's sad to see so many young girls being forced

00:46:55.320 into enduring the indignity of having to look up at a person they know is a man smiling with the gold

00:47:05.240 metal around his neck and them having to turn and smile at the camera as well. So that's why I was

00:47:10.480 really inspired by, um, the young lady you had on a couple, a couple days ago was talking about

00:47:16.760 correct her, her op-ed and, and the need to protect women's sports. And I think that, that these young

00:47:25.100 women, girls and women need voices to speak up for them. We know that they're not going to get it 1.00

00:47:32.160 from corporate media. They're not going to get it from ESPN or, or, you know, Fox sports or any of

00:47:38.800 these other sort of mainstream publications. Um, so they're going to need to get it from

00:47:43.920 traditionalists, from complementarians, from, you know, the toxic patriarchy, because at the very,

00:47:52.580 for whatever people, whatever issues people may have a patriarchy, one thing patriarchs acknowledge

00:47:59.640 is that men and women are different and that women deserve protection. Um, and that it's on men to 0.97

00:48:07.440 provide that. Um, so it really is disappointing to see it, but that's why I have a tremendous amount

00:48:12.380 of respect for what you do. I mean, you hold that line way better than anybody at ESPN. And, um, I think,

00:48:19.900 you know, it's, it's to be commended. Well, thank you. I mean, I appreciate that. This is

00:48:24.760 just something that I can't, that I can't budge on because I can't, I really can't think of anything

00:48:31.000 more absurd to say that a man is a woman or that a man can identify as a woman. And, you know,

00:48:38.080 there are people who identify as feminists. They're more rare, but who identify as feminists who, even 0.97

00:48:43.600 though I disagree with them on almost everything, they do insist they're mostly in the UK, but who do

00:48:48.800 insist that, okay, a woman is a woman and, um, you know, a man is a man. So I do of course commend

00:48:55.120 them for that. But I think you're right that the people who push this men and women, it truly does

00:49:00.040 come from a place. And this is typically like a left-wing talking point, but I think it's actually

00:49:03.860 true. It comes from a place of misogyny. It comes from a place of really hating women, not just trying

00:49:09.140 to, you know, diminish their accomplishments, but truly victimize them.

00:49:18.800 Women are not just losing competitions, but they're actually truly safe in private spaces 1.00

00:49:25.120 are being infiltrated. There was this story that I'm, I'm sure you saw that at a California science

00:49:31.280 camp, they allowed quote, non-binary men who go by they, them to be housed with fifth grade girl

00:49:38.140 campers. The parents did not know this. Um, they were told by their fifth grade girl. So we're talking

00:49:43.460 10 and 11 years old. They were told by them when they got home, of course, the parents are livid.

00:49:49.140 The camp confirmed that according to California state law, they have to allow, and we're talking

00:49:54.560 about counselors, by the way, we're not even talking about other 10 year old boys, which would

00:49:57.960 be a problem, but we're talking about counselors. So teenagers, young adults housed with fifth grade

00:50:03.380 little girls, parents are not told they're not giving consent. The camp confirmed that that's what

00:50:08.640 they have to do. According to California state law, there's this another, another terrible story

00:50:13.140 by Fox news, which uses she, her pronouns for men, which I really hate. Um, this man named Hannah

00:50:19.540 Tubbs, and we'll put up a picture for YouTube looks completely like a man. Um, he says he's

00:50:24.320 transgender. Now he sexually assaulted a 10 year old girl in 2014 and is actually caught on tape saying,

00:50:31.620 okay guys in court, you've got to call me. She, her, so I can avoid being registered as a sex 1.00

00:50:36.560 offender. Um, and I can go into the women's prison men are infiltrating women's prisons 1.00

00:50:41.260 and places like Washington and California, um, domestic shelters, bathrooms, locker rooms.

00:50:47.720 The activist side says that this doesn't happen. It's happening every day. You have to hate women 1.00

00:50:52.520 and children to allow this kind of stuff. And I think calling a man, she, her actually in it.

00:50:58.660 Cause you're getting, sorry, I'm on a rant, but you're giving into the premise. You're giving

00:51:02.560 into the premise that a man can identify as a woman. And so if you're giving into that premise,

00:51:07.420 why shouldn't that, why shouldn't that so-called woman go into a girl's bathroom? Why shouldn't 1.00

00:51:13.480 they house with a 10 year old little girl? If you are saying that a man is a she, then what you're 0.64

00:51:19.480 doing is you are enabling the premise that is then enabling those who are actually predators to prey

00:51:25.640 upon these women and girls. And that is why I think it is so important to hold the line on this.

00:51:31.600 Okay. My rant is over final commentary before we close this out.

00:51:37.060 I mean, I, I agree with you a hundred percent. I mean, it's, I think it's a mat, an act of moral

00:51:43.160 cowardice to see how many people and particularly men. I mean, I couldn't, Ali, I'm, I'm, I'm,

00:51:49.880 I'm a fairly mild mannered guy, but if, if it was, if that was my 10 year old daughter, I mean,

00:51:56.040 my wife would probably be telling me, babe, calm down because I would want to flip something over 0.78

00:52:01.800 if a school took those types of liberties when it comes to the safety of my child. Um, but so many

00:52:09.900 men have just abandoned their posts. And I think part of what's going on here is that, um, that cowardice

00:52:17.820 in men has been growing for a long time because, you know, the, the same type of, of guy who posts

00:52:26.340 his pronouns and, and, and, and where's his, you know, the future is female type of t-shirt is also

00:52:33.020 the guy who's not going to stand up for his own daughter because if he can't stand up, um, to women

00:52:41.020 who are promoting bad ideas, he's not going to stand up for women who are being subjected to bad

00:52:47.420 ideas. And, um, I, I think that cowardice has, has just spread like a virus throughout our, our

00:52:54.280 culture. Um, but, but I'll say one last thing. And I said this on Twitter the other day, and I said

00:52:59.620 this in my conversation with Jason Willock on Friday, is that obviously we are subjecting women to,

00:53:06.940 to, you know, the things that we're talking about, right? The invasion of their private spaces by 0.89

00:53:12.200 biological males. Um, obviously we are engaging in a form of reality distortion by calling women, 0.98

00:53:22.000 she, and using terms like birthing person on ironically, right? Those things are obvious, 0.91

00:53:28.100 but particularly as Christians, we are not being kind and loving when we affirm someone in a lie.

00:53:36.700 And when you tell someone who is a man, that they are a woman, that's, that's exactly what we're

00:53:44.240 doing. And we're making it more difficult for them to come to the knowledge of, of the truth. Um,

00:53:50.480 and, and that's something I just, I can't abide that I can't for the sake of my own reputation,

00:53:55.640 because that's exactly what this is. This is part of it is cowardice, but part of it is people who

00:54:01.720 don't want to be seen as bigots and haters, um, and the equivalent of the Ku Klux Klan,

00:54:07.880 they are engaging in their own reputation management and, and are willing to sacrifice

00:54:15.800 the wellbeing of a generation of children to do so. Because I'm of the position that if we don't get

00:54:22.320 this corrected soon, we're going to have a generation of children who look back in 10 to 20

00:54:27.720 years and ask us, the adults, why did you let me do this to myself? Why did you let me cut off

00:54:34.500 healthy breast tissue? Why did you let me mutilate my, my genitals? Why did you let me pump myself 1.00

00:54:40.500 full of hormones? Um, just because I told you, this is how I felt. Yeah. All right. And, and,

00:54:46.240 and the adults in this generation are not going to have an answer other than, well, you told me

00:54:50.440 that's how you felt and I want to affirm you and I'm sorry, but that's, that's just not good enough.

00:54:54.460 Yep. And that goes back to everything that we have been talking about. There is something more

00:54:59.100 important than temporary happiness when it comes to ourselves, when it comes to our kids and it all

00:55:05.200 comes back to submitting to the authority of God. Um, very well said. Thank you so much for all of the

00:55:10.780 insight that you shared. I know people are going to love this conversation. People can follow you

00:55:15.100 on Twitter, follow your writing, and of course, watch you on Jason's show, correct?

00:55:21.060 Yes. Um, my Twitter handle is at Delano Squires, D-E-L-A-N-O-S-Q-U-I-R-E-S. Um, same on Instagram.

00:55:29.840 I write twice a week for the blaze. Um, typically my, my, my columns come out on Tuesday and Friday

00:55:35.120 and I appear twice a week on Fearless with Jason Whitlock. So they can follow me there.

00:55:39.920 Awesome. Thank you so much, Delano. I really appreciate it.

00:55:43.120 Thank you, Abby. Have a good one.

00:55:44.940 Thanks.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 22, 2022

Ep 569 ｜ Kim & Kanye, 'Conscious Co-Parenting' & Disrupting God’s Order ｜ Guest： Delano Squires

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