Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 27, 2018


Ep 57 ｜ The Truth About the Caravan


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In this episode, Allie talks about the migrant caravan and how Christians should respond to it. She also talks about what we should do if we find ourselves in a similar situation and what we can do about it.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. My name is Allie. Thank you so much for joining. This is a podcast
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00:00:22.460 great. You can see my little miniature set where I do my podcast from. Today we are going to talk
00:00:29.480 about the migrant caravan. You've probably been hearing or maybe reading on Twitter or watching
00:00:34.940 on the news about this migrant caravan that traveled from Honduras all the way to the border of
00:00:40.920 California, between California and Mexico in the San Diego area or close to San Diego. They're still
00:00:46.420 in Mexico now. So I'm going to tell you what is actually happening. What is the truth behind all
00:00:51.840 of this? Because you're probably just hearing that, you know, America is, uh, we're terrorists and we
00:00:57.740 are hurting these innocent women and children who are seeking asylum, but there's a little bit more
00:01:02.880 to the story than that. So I'm going to discuss what the reality is and then also how we as
00:01:09.340 Christians should respond. We're going to be hearing a lot over the next few weeks, especially,
00:01:13.880 uh, that Christians should be welcoming these people and just saying, yeah, come on, come on in.
00:01:19.900 We will feed you. We will close you. We will do all of these things. And that sounds very good.
00:01:24.180 It sounds biblical even, but again, uh, there's more that we need to think about with that. There's
00:01:29.160 more information that we need to consider and there's some logic and wisdom that comes into play
00:01:34.660 when considering that kind of position. So we're going to get into all of that. Uh, first, I want
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00:03:13.640 on that discount. Okay. Now to the migrant caravan. So I'm going to back up just a little
00:03:19.960 bit in case you guys, uh, don't know everything that's been going on. Honestly, even for me,
00:03:26.240 it's been hard to keep up with everything. What we heard before the midterms was that this is just
00:03:31.460 a Republican talking point. They're just stoking the flames of division. They're just stoking our
00:03:36.140 fears, uh, trying to make us scared. So we will vote Republican. Um, we have heard on the left that no,
00:03:42.220 this is not an invasion. No one's coming for you. No one's going to storm the border. These are
00:03:46.600 poor asylum seekers. And we should have compassion by just, I guess, letting them in. That's what,
00:03:52.580 that's what we should do. Um, and we heard that we weren't going to be talking about this anymore
00:03:57.340 after the midterms, because this is just a political ploy by Republicans. But as it turns out,
00:04:02.580 we are still talking about it. Why? Because they're doing these so-called asylum seekers. 1.00
00:04:08.440 These caravan people are doing the very things that Republicans, that we conservatives said that
00:04:15.700 they were going to do. Why? How did we know that they were going to be storming the border the way
00:04:20.440 that they did Sunday and throwing rocks at border patrol agents? Because they talked about it.
00:04:25.300 They've talked to reporters that are both American reporters and Mexican reporters as they have been
00:04:30.500 traversing through Mexico. They've talked about their disdain for America, their disdain for Donald Trump.
00:04:36.540 Um, they have already harassed citizens of Mexico. That's why Mexico doesn't want to take these 1.00
00:04:43.040 people. Um, so we know what a lot of these people are like. And so we weren't just, uh, fear mongering.
00:04:49.980 We weren't just, um, you know, pulling things out of thin air. These people owned up to the fact
00:04:56.520 that they have resentment against America. They have resentment against people who will not grant them
00:05:02.620 the asylum that they seek. So, uh, these people, I think most of these people, if not all of these
00:05:07.800 people come from Honduras. Now they might come from other countries in South America, like Guatemala,
00:05:12.900 but they started in Honduras and they made their long trek from Honduras, uh, to the border between
00:05:20.120 Tijuana and Baja, California, specifically San Diego. Um, and it's been a very, a very long journey.
00:05:28.760 So what started out is about 7,000 of these, uh, so-called migrants. If you, if you want to call 1.00
00:05:34.820 them that some people just call them illegal aliens or, uh, people who are trying to break the law.
00:05:40.840 So criminals will go, we'll go with migrants. We'll give, we'll give the benefit of the doubt 1.00
00:05:45.480 there. Um, so started out is 7,000. It's now, according to Mexican authorities, about 4,000. So
00:05:53.180 people have either, I don't know, maybe been granted asylum in Mexico, or if they've just decided,
00:05:58.220 you know what, this is not for me, I'm going to turn around. Um, but it's been, uh, narrowed down
00:06:04.020 to about 4,000 of these people, maybe even less than that. Um, and we hear that these people are
00:06:10.460 seeking asylum, that they are, um, they are turning away from a violent country. They are fleeing danger.
00:06:20.240 They are fleeing for their lives. They are fleeing hunger and destitution and, um, that they deserve
00:06:27.020 our utmost empathy. Okay. Well, we'll get to the truth in that in just a little bit. Um,
00:06:33.140 about 2,000, maybe even more than that. I think, uh, actually about 2,700 have applied for asylum
00:06:39.320 in Mexico. Uh, but Mexico has actually said, I'm sorry, but we don't have room or the resources for
00:06:44.860 all of these people. Uh, we can't house these people for months. This is just not going to work.
00:06:49.180 So even Mexico, Mexico, who thinks by the way, that America should take all of their poor 0.70
00:06:54.360 with open arms without condition. They say, uh, actually we can't take these people in either.
00:07:01.760 Uh, this is according to CNN, people who were on the ground apparently, or they got this report
00:07:06.920 from people on the ground, um, on Sunday, they said about 500 migrants on the Mexican side of the
00:07:14.400 border overwhelmed police blockades near the San Ysidro port of entry Sunday afternoon. As the
00:07:21.180 migrants tried to cross the border authorities on the U S side, use tear gas. And by the way,
00:07:26.260 I'm just going to insert in this paragraph, uh, authorities on the Mexican side of the border as
00:07:30.900 well. That is according to another report, uh, use tear gas to disperse them. Uh, video of the
00:07:36.720 scene showed a cloud of tear gas that sent people running and screaming, including families and
00:07:41.220 young children. So we're going to see this image played over and over again. There's a particular
00:07:45.180 image where a woman is basically dragging two young girls, um, out of the way of the tear gas.
00:07:51.300 And what we're going to hear is that America is absolutely horrible. This was unnecessary. Um,
00:07:56.240 but if you listen to this carefully, it sounds like what happened was rather than going through
00:08:02.380 the port of entry, the San Ysidro port of entry legally, and actually applying for asylum,
00:08:07.820 the way that they were supposed to, uh, about 500 migrants on the Mexican side of the border,
00:08:11.840 overwhelmed police blockades near the San Ysidro port of entry. And so people have been saying,
00:08:17.960 well, yeah, the port of entry was shut down. They couldn't legally apply for asylum. That's not what
00:08:22.300 I'm reading. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it sounds like they actually overwhelmed the police
00:08:26.920 blockades. They tried to storm the border rather than interlegally. And that's what put, uh, the San
00:08:32.700 Ysidro port of entry on lockdown, that these people decided that they were going to storm the border
00:08:38.000 rather than enter the way that they're supposed to. And that's what actually stopped the process
00:08:43.860 of entry that is supposed to happen. If you are applying for asylum, we hear that these are asylum 0.93
00:08:48.840 seekers. If you're applying for asylum, you are supposed to go to a port of entry along the border
00:08:54.480 and you apply. Um, I actually read all of the rules for applying for asylum. You get this application.
00:09:00.800 You say, uh, here is why I am coming. Here's why I am filing for asylum. Here is my spouse. Here are my
00:09:07.460 children. You have to also say, um, if you've ever been convicted of any sort of crime, that is a
00:09:12.700 non-political crime, but here is, here's the qualifications. Here's, here's the qualifications
00:09:19.660 for applying for asylum. Cause we keep on hearing that these people are asylum seekers coming from
00:09:24.900 Honduras. Um, but here, according to us law is what you have to be in order to actually qualify
00:09:32.760 for an asylum claim. A refugee, according to our laws is someone who is unable or unwilling to 1.00
00:09:38.700 return to and avail himself or herself of the protection of his or her country of nationality,
00:09:44.140 or if stateless country of last habitual residence because of, and this is important because of
00:09:49.960 persecution or a well-founded fear of persecution on account of race, religion, nationality,
00:09:57.600 membership in a particular social group or political opinion. That is not why these people
00:10:05.440 are leaving Honduras. People are leaving Honduras and leaving South America, not because of persecution
00:10:10.880 there. There's not, as far as we know, there's not that going on. There's gang violence, there's drug
00:10:16.100 violence, there's corruption in the highest levels of government. There is hunger, there is poverty,
00:10:21.180 but there's not persecution. They are not technically a refugee or else every single person that is poor
00:10:28.680 that doesn't live in the United States is a refugee. And we have to grant them all asylum. No, of course 1.00
00:10:34.520 not. There is a very specific definition according to us law, unless I'm reading the wrong thing. And
00:10:39.840 you guys can point me in a different direction. I really scoured for this. I, I read the whole thing.
00:10:44.620 You have to be our definition of a refugee. Even the mayor of Tijuana said that these people don't
00:10:51.100 qualify under international law as a refugee, they're not going to necessarily qualify for
00:10:57.420 asylum. Maybe some of them will, but just because people are fleeing poverty, which the poverty rate 0.81
00:11:03.520 in Honduras is awful. The murder rate in Honduras is awful. I'm not saying that they don't live in 1.00
00:11:09.640 terrible circumstances in Honduras, but that does not qualify you for asylum. Now, those are very
00:11:15.460 legitimate reasons to immigrate out of a country. That's a very good reason to want to come to 1.00
00:11:21.480 America. I do not blame them for wanting a better life. The American dream, even though the left wants
00:11:27.380 to say it's dead is extremely appealing to almost the entire world. Uh, certainly the world that lives
00:11:34.060 in poverty, the way that South America does. So I certainly don't blame them for wanting to come here, 0.87
00:11:39.320 but those are simply reasons not to apply for asylum, but to try to enter legally. That is not
00:11:46.740 a reason to join a caravan. See what the caravan thought was that they were just going to be able
00:11:52.040 to come in that. Oh, there's too many of us for them to actually stop. Um, and so what they did
00:11:57.980 rather than trying to in a legal and in a peaceful manner, just apply for asylum. They decided that they
00:12:03.880 were going to storm the border. And I don't know why on God's green earth, they thought that that was
00:12:08.720 going to happen. Uh, here's what, uh, border patrol actually said. So border patrol, the U S border
00:12:16.120 patrol, um, reported this today, meaning Sunday, several migrants through projectiles at the agents
00:12:22.220 in San Diego border patrol agents deployed tear gas to dispel the group because of the risk to agents
00:12:28.240 safety. Several agents were hit by the projectiles. So for all of the people, especially the leftist blue 0.99
00:12:34.360 check marks that are certainly going absolutely insane on Twitter, of course, saying this is Trump's
00:12:40.440 America, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, uh, compared this to somehow, uh, criminalizing Jews that were
00:12:48.120 fleeing Germany, which is not the same thing at all. So all of these people who are freaking out about
00:12:54.700 this, who are saying, Oh my gosh, I can't believe that we're using tear gas on these people.
00:12:59.140 Uh, what do they expect a border patrol to do? This is self-defense. This is not saying they're
00:13:05.800 all saying we are attacking asylum seekers. We're attacking refugees. No, that is not what happened
00:13:11.920 by no account, by no account was this U S border patrol agents, um, using tear gas for people who
00:13:20.120 were just lined up to apply for asylum peacefully. That's, that's not what is happening. These were
00:13:25.500 people who were storming the border, who were throwing rocks. And we're talking to apparently,
00:13:30.220 according to reports, like big rocks, rocks that could actually hurt you, that if it hit you in
00:13:34.560 the head really hard, you could possibly die or at least suffer a concussion. So what are we supposed
00:13:40.220 to do? What is U S border patrol supposed to do? Are they not supposed to protect themselves?
00:13:45.560 People are saying, Oh, well, they could have, they could have just walked back a few feet.
00:13:48.840 Well, no, they couldn't because they have to actually man their station. They have to actually
00:13:53.420 protect the border. That's why they are called border patrol. So what did they do? They use
00:13:58.440 non-lethal force, non-lethal force tear gas. I mean, I've never had tear gas sprayed at me.
00:14:05.840 Thank goodness. I don't want to like, I know it's very uncomfortable, but it's not lethal.
00:14:10.640 It's not going to kill you. And we use tear gas. Police use tear gas on our own people, by the way,
00:14:15.620 to break up, especially rowdy parties or violent protests. It is used to subdue chaos or to
00:14:22.600 disperse any kind of situation that is causing violence or is causing danger to, uh, to people,
00:14:28.960 to other people involved, to people, not involved, whatever it is. Tear gas is used on our own
00:14:33.560 citizens. So yeah, when someone storms our border, when they storm our border, try to break in 0.99
00:14:39.740 basically illegally, we are allowed to use non-lethal force. There are people saying, Oh, this is just
00:14:47.520 like, this is just like using gas on the Jews and in Nazi Germany. This violates international,
00:14:54.380 uh, chemical weapons law. No, it doesn't tear gas is not a chemical weapon. And now look,
00:15:00.360 uh, am I happy and excited and glad and giddy about women and children choking or gasping for air 0.99
00:15:09.480 because of tear gas? No, I'm not. I've seen the pictures of the girls of the little girls of the
00:15:15.300 little kids that are fleeing. Of course it's bad. And of course I have compassion for those people.
00:15:20.140 There's no doubt that I I'm sure that there are people that are in this, uh, caravan that are
00:15:24.620 genuinely, that are, that are genuine, that are seeking a better life that deserve our empathy.
00:15:30.160 They all, even if they are, even if they are bad actors, even if they are criminals as Christians, 1.00
00:15:35.880 of course, they all deserve our empathy, but that doesn't mean there's not consequences for their
00:15:39.820 actions. They are trying to break the law. You are going to hear over and over again,
00:15:44.320 these are innocent asylum seekers. If they are, they need to go through the port of entry. They 1.00
00:15:49.720 need to apply legally. And if the port of entry is closed because people overwhelmed police blockade,
00:15:57.660 that is their fault. That's just what you had to do. There are so many things that are,
00:16:04.160 there are so many things that are wrong with this. This is disrespectful to the people who are trying
00:16:09.080 to enter legally. It's also just disrespectful to legal immigrants in general, who now have to
00:16:14.240 kind of suffer. I think probably a little bit of a bad reputation. Like if you legally immigrated 0.96
00:16:19.080 from Mexico or South America, I don't know. I feel like you would be afraid that you're going to be
00:16:24.660 lumped in with all of these people that have no respect for us law when that's not true about you.
00:16:29.800 So how frustrating for them. And then of course, uh, most importantly, this is extremely dangerous,
00:16:36.720 this kind of thing for us citizens, um, to have these kinds of people that obviously don't respect
00:16:41.940 our laws that obviously don't care about, uh, authority in the United States, who have
00:16:47.440 no intention probably of assimilating, who don't care at all about American values. It doesn't seem
00:16:53.340 like coming into our country. Are you saying, are the people on the left who are condemning this 0.96
00:16:58.540 saying that those people should be allowed into our country, that we should just let them all in 0.97
00:17:03.060 no matter what. And of course, those people are not talking about the Mexican reaction to all of
00:17:07.760 this. The mayor of Tijuana has been, uh, forced to take control of this. Um, he has been forced to
00:17:15.520 be the one to call on the UN for help, uh, because, because the federal government in Mexico isn't
00:17:23.360 helping at all. Um, and you know what he actually called them. This is according to a Mexican reporter
00:17:28.000 that was then, uh, reported by townhall.com. He called these people in the caravan bums,
00:17:33.440 his words, not mine. He called them bums. Why? Because there's been reports of some of them, 1.00
00:17:39.000 uh, looting, um, rape. There's been reports of rape, of carjacking, of kidnapping, of all these
00:17:47.080 kinds of crimes that the people of Tijuana do not want for themselves. I mean, I'm just guessing that
00:17:52.060 the city of Tijuana probably isn't the safest place in the world that really Mexico in general,
00:17:57.100 isn't the safest place in the world. I'm sure that the innocent people of Mexico are like, 1.00
00:18:01.140 Oh, great. More crime. This is exciting. Like our government can't even take care of us. And now
00:18:07.180 we have to bear the weight of all of these people that are migrating from other countries. And they 1.00
00:18:12.020 are well within their rights to feel that way. But the left isn't talking about the Mexican reaction
00:18:17.100 that, that they feel the same way, that they don't want to bear the burden of more people. And I know
00:18:23.160 that sounds unempathetic. I know that sounds not compassionate. Um, but it actually, it is
00:18:29.680 compassionate and it is logical to think about the security and of the wellbeing of the people in
00:18:35.360 your country. Americans are the only people to which the United States, to our, uh, to which our
00:18:42.800 leadership is responsible. We are the only people to which Donald Trump answers to. He doesn't answer
00:18:48.520 to the people of South America. He doesn't answer to the people of Mexico. The same thing for the 0.94
00:18:52.160 Mexican government. They are the only people for which the Mexican government is responsible.
00:18:57.580 Donald Trump and this administration would be a wicked and a cruel and a stupid administration
00:19:03.320 if they did not care about the security of our country. That is what makes responsible leadership
00:19:09.540 caring about the security of our country in America is still exceedingly generous. We allow you
00:19:16.060 to apply for asylum, even, even if this is according to us law, even if you are here illegally,
00:19:22.120 you're already in the country illegally. You can still apply for asylum as long as it's within a year
00:19:27.040 that you got here illegally. And we will let you stay if your asylum is actually granted. 0.62
00:19:32.680 That is an amazing act of generosity that I, I'm not even sure is a good thing. Um, so for anyone to
00:19:39.660 say that this is unprecedented, that this is not compassionate, that this is not loving,
00:19:45.300 where is the wisdom in any of that? Not, not to mention that it's highly hypocritical. All of these
00:19:50.320 leftist blue check marks, all of these pundits, uh, that are on CNN, MSNBC, blaming Donald Trump and
00:19:56.340 conservatives for all of this saying how, um, barbarian this is. Well, you know, this happened
00:20:01.780 in 2013. This is according to the San Diego Tribune on the exact same day, by the way, November 25th,
00:20:08.320 uh, 2013, according to the San Diego Tribune, uh, that says a group of about a hundred people trying
00:20:14.880 to illegally cross the border Sunday near the San Ysidro port of entry through rocks and bottles
00:20:19.960 at us border patrol agents who responded by using pepper spray and other means to force the crowd
00:20:24.740 back into Mexico. Federal officials said that happened in 2013. It sounds exactly the same,
00:20:30.840 which is almost like, I don't know, this is an orchestrated effort by the left. This caravan is
00:20:36.620 leftist organizations to try to make a scene to show how awful America is. But did you hear,
00:20:42.220 did you hear any kind of uproar about this in 2013? Now it does say that some immigrants rights
00:20:48.780 groups and people on both sides of the aisle were debating this in 2013, but I, maybe I wasn't paying
00:20:54.060 attention. I certainly don't remember this kind of vitriol, this kind of blame being cast on Obama
00:21:00.600 for being awful and terrible and evil. But now that's all we're hearing. Every single celebrity,
00:21:06.260 every single person on the left, oh, this is awful and terrible. Donald Trump is evil. He's the
00:21:11.640 spawn of Satan for doing this. Really? Did you say that about Obama in 2013? Maybe this isn't a
00:21:17.340 partisan thing. Maybe this is just about securing the border. Oh, I'm waiting. I'm waiting for Barack
00:21:23.860 Obama to come out and say that this is, this is awful, that we need to have more compassion, that we
00:21:29.320 need to have more, more empathy. Okay. I'm waiting for that. I mean, we already have one of his staffers,
00:21:35.420 Ben Rhodes. He worked for President Obama tweeting, it's wrong to gas women and children and the
00:21:40.620 elderly. That shouldn't be a partisan view. He was actually responding to Chris Cuomo. He worked
00:21:46.340 for Obama when Obama did the same thing. I'll have to go back to look at his tweet history if he called
00:21:52.140 out his boss at the moment for doing the exact same thing. But somehow I imagine not. I mean,
00:21:57.800 he has been so insanely hypocritical when it comes to criticizing Trump, considering he was part of the
00:22:05.240 Iran deal and the whole disaster that was and the whole disaster of the Obama presidency. Every
00:22:10.480 criticism he has of Donald Trump is actually hypocritical because he was a part of some of
00:22:15.620 the same things and worse under Barack Obama. Yet he never ceases to have something to say
00:22:20.360 negative about this president. So we're not, we're not going to be hearing the truth. Just know that
00:22:28.100 and remember this podcast and come back to it. Just remember over the next few days when you are told
00:22:33.760 that you voted for a president or you supported a president or you support a political party
00:22:37.860 that believes in gassing women and children, that it's a lie. The outrage is fake. It wasn't there
00:22:44.000 in 2013 when Obama did the same thing. It's not based on any truth. They don't believe that border
00:22:49.320 patrol agents, I guess, should secure the border, even though it's in their name. They don't believe
00:22:53.080 in self-defense. I guess they believe now they wouldn't say this, but I guess they believe that these
00:22:58.140 people should just be able to enter however they want. As many as possible should just get to come
00:23:04.580 in. I don't know. Is that the solution? Is that the compassionate thing? Is that the right thing?
00:23:10.720 Is that the wise thing to do? And here's the thing about Democrats. They don't actually have
00:23:17.280 any plan for the border. They don't actually have any plan for illegal immigration. All they say is,
00:23:23.000 well, what Donald Trump is doing isn't right. Deporting people isn't right. It's not sympathetic.
00:23:27.760 It's not compassionate. It's not who we are. What's your plan? How many people should we let in?
00:23:33.120 What's the right number of illegal immigrants? What's the right number of legal immigrants?
00:23:38.040 What's a good system for making sure that we don't allow criminals in? For making sure that we allow
00:23:42.960 people in that aren't going to be completely dependent on society? Not that they care about that.
00:23:46.700 They are dependent on the government. They love people to be dependent on the government.
00:23:50.220 So what's your plan? How are we going to keep America safe? Should it just be open borders?
00:23:55.740 Is that what the goal is? We should just abolish ICE? We should just abolish the border patrol and just
00:24:02.060 say, oh yeah, come on in. Does that make the country better? Has that worked well in Europe?
00:24:07.280 I just want to know. See, people say it's immoral to have borders. People say it's immoral to have a
00:24:12.380 wall. I think it's immoral to allow your own people to be susceptible and to be vulnerable to
00:24:18.260 illegal immigration. Because without borders, you are not a nation. There's no point in laws if you 1.00
00:24:24.000 can't actually enforce them. There's no sovereignty if you don't have any borders.
00:24:30.620 So I just want to know. I want to know their plan. I'm very interested to hear, but I don't think
00:24:35.860 they have one. All they do is use this as a political ploy. They want to sit on immigration
00:24:40.300 reform. They don't want to reform immigration because it takes away their talking point.
00:24:44.280 So they can say, oh, well, our immigration system, it's so broken. People have to enter 1.00
00:24:49.240 illegally. Well, they don't want to fix it because they want to be able to say that. And they're fine 0.90
00:24:53.740 with people entering illegally. I guarantee you if these people ended up voting Republican or in
00:24:58.920 any way helped the Republican Party, they would be saying, oh, we need to secure our borders right
00:25:02.840 now. But of course they're not. And so let's get into the Christian reaction because, of course,
00:25:07.620 I have seen leftist Christians say, particularly one Catholic priest, he said he tweeted one of the
00:25:19.740 pictures of the migrants fleeing tear gas. And he tweeted Matthew 25, 35 through 40, which is,
00:25:26.280 of course, I was hungry and you gave me food. I was weary and you gave me rest. I was naked and you
00:25:31.280 gave me clothing. And so he was trying to make the point that that's not what we're doing,
00:25:37.040 that this is what we're supposed to do as a nation and as Christians. And by not letting 0.98
00:25:42.620 these people in or spraying tear gas, that we're not abiding by Jesus's commands.
00:25:49.260 Okay. So again, let's just assess the wisdom in this statement. A, I agree with you. That is
00:25:56.680 something that Jesus said. We are supposed to help the poor and the weary and the homeless and the
00:26:03.780 destitute and those that are fleeing violence. We are supposed to have empathy for them. We are
00:26:08.380 supposed to have compassion for them. We are supposed to give a, give them the shirt off our 1.00
00:26:12.520 back. But is that really, is that a, um, a mandate for an entire government that instead of enforcing
00:26:22.140 our own laws, instead of trying to secure our own borders, instead of trying to keep our own citizens
00:26:28.380 safe, we are supposed to unconditionally invite those who try to enter illegally in?
00:26:34.040 Well, was that what Jesus was saying? Is that the only form of compassion that Jesus is allowing,
00:26:39.940 that we should just let everyone in? Is that, is that what we're supposed to do? Would that make
00:26:43.900 Donald Trump a good leader? Would that make us a smart country? Would that mean that we have wise laws
00:26:49.400 that whoever wants to come in for really any reason, whether they're a refugee or not,
00:26:54.580 they just want a better life that we should let them in? Is that fair? Is that fair to the people
00:27:01.280 applying for legal citizenship? Is that fair to the people of this country that are looking for 0.75
00:27:05.360 jobs? Is that fair to our economy? Does that really make us better? Does that make it better for
00:27:09.820 Americans? So we're not allowed to have compassion for Americans. We're not allowed to think about the 0.96
00:27:14.180 well-being of our own country because we can only think about the well-being of, of these so-called 1.00
00:27:19.460 refugees who aren't really refugees. They're just migrants. Like, do we think that that's what 0.99
00:27:24.220 Jesus was talking about? That that's the form of compassion that we are being called to? Which
00:27:30.480 is really just taking away our own responsibility and telling the government to be unconditionally
00:27:37.120 lax on all of our laws? Is that what Jesus was talking about? I don't think so. I don't think
00:27:44.620 that's wise. That doesn't employ any logic whatsoever. If we set up a system of unconditional
00:27:52.480 asylum of open borders that encourages people to make this kind of trek that possibly risks them 0.99
00:27:59.140 being murdered, raped, or trafficked, is that right? Does that help the world? Does that help
00:28:08.000 other countries? I don't think so. Why don't we look at the organizations that are actually helping
00:28:15.160 these countries where they are and why don't we help them? Why don't we fund them? Why don't we put all
00:28:20.540 their efforts behind them? Why is the only form of compassion and empathy that these people
00:28:26.160 ever present is letting people in unconditionally? Are we not allowed to use wisdom? Are we not allowed
00:28:33.460 to think with our heads? We should only just feel consequences be damned? I don't think that's what
00:28:39.260 God is calling us to in Matthew. I don't think that he's saying, you know, you shouldn't secure your
00:28:44.980 own borders. You shouldn't follow your own laws. You shouldn't think about your own people. I mean,
00:28:48.700 that's certainly not how God acted with Israel. America is not Israel, but we see the importance 0.96
00:28:54.080 of protection throughout the Bible. We actually see the use of walls in both the literal and
00:28:59.300 metaphorical sense as an example of security and of peace and of steadiness throughout the Bible.
00:29:08.480 So obviously security is a good thing. Obviously order is a good thing. It's not a bad thing.
00:29:14.480 Maybe we should be holding accountable. I don't know. The president of Honduras, who, by the way,
00:29:21.260 has said that this caravan is actually funded and organized by leftist organizations, three of which
00:29:27.120 are actually funded by George Soros's Open Society. I know that sounds like a tinfoil hat
00:29:32.920 theory or conspiracy, but it's not. It's just true. It's just true. This is according to the president
00:29:38.120 of Honduras. But besides that, how about we hold him accountable? I mean, Honduras has the highest,
00:29:44.900 if not one or one of the highest, if not the highest homicide rates in all of the world.
00:29:50.800 They are impoverished because they rely almost entirely on agriculture and they just don't have
00:29:57.200 enough to actually offer. People aren't buying enough from Honduras. No one wants to actually go 1.00
00:30:02.120 invest there. No one wants to build a business in Honduras because it is absolutely ridden with violence.
00:30:07.220 About two-thirds of Hondurans are living in poverty. It is a horrible country. But there are ways to
00:30:13.440 fix that. And there are organizations that are trying to help those people. I have some examples
00:30:20.920 of organizations, Association for a More Just Society. They deal with corruption within the
00:30:25.840 government and gang violence, World Gospel Mission, Frontline Missions. All of these organizations
00:30:31.120 are actually on the ground in Honduras and other South American countries actually trying to make it
00:30:36.740 better. Because immigration is not the way to make the world a better place. It's not. The way that 1.00
00:30:43.520 we can make the world a better place is obviously a sharing the gospel, which spreads peace and love
00:30:51.320 and charity and all of the good things that the world can actually operate in a healthy manner on.
00:30:58.680 But it also equips the leadership and equips the people that are on the ground in that country that
00:31:03.700 are actually going to be able to contribute to their own society and make their country better.
00:31:08.580 Immigration is not the answer to everything. And actually, it's a very lazy way of expressing 0.99
00:31:14.260 compassion because these people who live in these these celebrities, for example, these Democratic
00:31:21.080 politicians like Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, all of these people
00:31:26.040 that are calling for empathy and compassion, they are never, ever going to experience the consequences
00:31:31.160 of illegal immigration. They're just not. They live in their hoity-toity, vast majority white 1.00
00:31:36.560 neighborhoods, probably 97 percent white neighborhoods in their gated communities, in their mansions,
00:31:41.360 far away from any of the consequences of illegal immigration. They're never going to experience
00:31:46.000 violence at the hands of an illegal immigrant. They're never going to experience the weight on the 1.00
00:31:50.940 economy that these people sometimes add when they come in illegally and they get on welfare or
00:31:56.720 whatever it is. They're never going to experience any of those things. No, what they're asking is that
00:32:00.860 you and I bear that burden and that we're okay with it, that we actually show empathy and compassion
00:32:06.180 because they don't really have to. All they have to do is point fingers and tell us that we're not
00:32:10.640 good people for wanting to secure the border. They're never going to have to deal with those
00:32:14.700 consequences. That's actually true of everything that these rich, liberal, elite, white Democrats 0.74
00:32:20.340 think. And that's true of all of the policies that they put forth. They are not going to have to deal
00:32:28.560 with the consequences and the burdens that it puts on the middle class of average everyday Americans
00:32:33.200 like you and me. They don't have to deal with it. All they have to do is sit on their high horse and
00:32:37.760 point fingers and say, let all these people in, knowing that up on their castle on the hill,
00:32:42.780 they'll never have to deal with it. Us peons, we peons well, but they never have to.
00:32:47.820 So the bottom line is, I think in all of this, well, I think this is going to help President Trump
00:32:53.740 if, if he actually takes action. I am more convinced, way more convinced than I was two
00:32:58.940 years ago that we need a wall. I don't think that's uncompassionate. I actually think it's
00:33:03.700 very immoral that we don't have a wall. Now, I don't know if it's possible to have a wall along
00:33:07.700 the entire border between Texas, California, and Mexico. I don't know if that's possible,
00:33:13.340 but making our border as impenetrable as possible, I think is the moral responsibility of the American
00:33:20.100 government. It is better for the people that are trying to immigrate here illegally. It will 1.00
00:33:24.740 discourage them from immigrating here illegally, which is a very dangerous track, especially for
00:33:29.400 women and children who often get captured and raped and trafficked in these situations. It will
00:33:33.920 discourage them from making that journey that is extremely deadly. It also shows respect for
00:33:39.500 illegal immigrants who came here the right way, who have respect for our laws and plan to contribute
00:33:43.940 to society. Um, and most importantly, it also protects American citizens. That is the job of
00:33:51.060 the American government. The job of the American government is not to, uh, let other people in 0.80
00:33:56.760 just because they want to get in. That's not their job. Their job is to protect American citizens,
00:34:02.400 no matter our race, no matter our background, no matter our socioeconomic status, no matter our
00:34:06.820 nationality or where we originally came from, that is their job. And so securing the border is like a
00:34:14.600 number one issue. It should be a nonpartisan issue until Democrats found out that they could somehow 0.98
00:34:20.960 get illegal immigrants to vote, man. So I just want you to remember this podcast. Remember the truth 0.96
00:34:26.960 about all of this, because in the next few weeks we are going to be hearing nonstop. There's going to be
00:34:31.500 a time magazine cover with the women and children fleeing from the tear gas and talking about how
00:34:37.020 awful Donald Trump is. Um, I've criticized Donald Trump many times and I actually think he could do
00:34:43.000 a better job of securing the border than he has so far. But what you're going to hear from liberal
00:34:48.020 punditry, it's just, it's just, it's not going to be true. It's not going to be true. It's going to be
00:34:53.440 shrouded in emotion and it's going to be completely factless. So just remember that over the next few
00:35:00.060 days. Um, and for our last thing, I want to highlight a nonprofit, which, you know, we sometimes
00:35:06.300 do at the end of this podcast. And this is a nonprofit that actually specifically helps people
00:35:10.740 in South America. It's called frontline missions. You can go to front F F M USA.org F M USA.org. Um,
00:35:20.220 this is just, this is not something they're sponsoring me to do. I just thought it would be a
00:35:23.820 good and fitting organization for us to donate to, or to look into if you're looking to go on a short
00:35:28.720 term mission trip over the summer. They host these. So, uh, frontline missions partners with
00:35:33.180 local churches in South America to share the gospel, to help with construction projects,
00:35:37.080 medical clinics, providing school supplies. They serve the orphans and widows in the poorest areas.
00:35:42.260 They do a lot of good work. They've been there since about 1998. The people who founded it started
00:35:47.000 in the 1980s. So they are very familiar with the natives there. They are very familiar with the
00:35:53.760 culture. They know the ways that these people really need to be helped. These are the people that
00:35:58.440 are on the front lines. These are the people that are actually making things better. Not the people
00:36:02.740 who just say, Oh, I'm going to sit back in my mansion and open the borders. No, these are the
00:36:07.760 brave ones and we should be supporting them. So frontline missions, you can go to F M USA.org.
00:36:12.500 You can donate, or you can find out more about how to get involved. Uh, that's the podcast for
00:36:17.180 today. Hope you guys enjoyed it. We will be back here on Thursday.
00:36:20.960 Okay.