Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 24, 2022


Ep 571 ｜ Russia & Ukraine： What's REALLY Going On？ ｜ Guest： Jason Buttrill


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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Today's episode is brought to you by our friends
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00:00:11.040 Allie. Okay, as promised, we are talking about Russia, Ukraine. We are talking to Jason Buttrell.
00:00:27.440 He is the chief researcher and head writer for Glenn Beck. He is a foreign policy expert. He's
00:00:35.080 going to break it all down for us and explain what is even going on between Russia and Ukraine.
00:00:41.180 Russia is invading Ukraine. They're saying that's because Ukraine really belongs to us.
00:00:45.940 And then Western countries are saying not so fast. Why are we paying so much attention to this? Should
00:00:52.500 we be paying so much attention to this? What does this mean geopolitically? And then we're going to
00:00:57.400 talk about lots of things that fit into this. Hopefully, by the end of it, you will have a
00:01:01.640 picture of the significance of all of this and kind of the different perspectives on the left
00:01:07.340 and the right with it. We'll be following up on this big subject in the coming weeks, though,
00:01:13.500 for sure. Without further ado, here is Jason Buttrell.
00:01:19.540 Jason, thank you so much for joining us. Basically, we need you to explain this Russia-Ukraine
00:01:26.000 conflict like we're five. So pretend like we don't know anything about what's going on,
00:01:32.460 what's happening and why.
00:01:33.940 Just watching Kamala Harris talk to the people over in the EU.
00:01:38.620 You know what? That's better. Explain it to us like we're Kamala Harris.
00:01:42.100 Listen, guys.
00:01:43.440 Yeah.
00:01:44.240 You like that?
00:01:44.980 Yeah, exactly.
00:01:45.860 Yeah, it was funny. I was watching her talk to them and she was talking about it as if this is,
00:01:51.860 you know, she was like, we've been, it's been peace for 70 years. And, you know, now we're on
00:01:55.680 the verge of war. Well, really, it's already been happening since 2014. There's been a hot war
00:02:00.100 in eastern Ukraine between Russia since 2014. It hasn't stopped. It's just no one really talks
00:02:05.460 about it.
00:02:05.960 Oh, OK.
00:02:06.540 So basically, I'm going to, I'm going to go back to Hillary Clinton.
00:02:11.080 OK.
00:02:11.520 Hillary Clinton talked a lot about the Russian elections. When was that? I want to say around
00:02:18.860 2008-ish, 9, 10. And Putin was up for, for a re-election. And they did a lot of things
00:02:25.760 working through NGOs, got some protests going. And from what they said, it interfered in their
00:02:31.940 elections. Now, you fast forward to the 2016 election, Putin never, never forgot that. He
00:02:37.900 struck back. I'm not saying that their election interference actually changed anything because
00:02:42.020 it didn't.
00:02:42.540 But they tried.
00:02:43.360 But they tried. And they did it. And it was a direct payback from Democrats at the time
00:02:47.540 screwing with Russian elections or interfering in Russian, you know. And again, I'm not apologizing
00:02:53.400 for anything he did. It's just, that's a fact. That's what happened. Now, you go to 2014,
00:02:57.920 you had the Ukrainian revolution, all of that going. Again, a lot of the same people in the
00:03:05.080 State Department within the Obama administration, Biden was the point man at the time. They helped
00:03:10.120 orchestrate a lot of what was going on then by encouraging people to protest, supporting the
00:03:15.360 protesters.
00:03:16.540 So the Ukrainian revolution in 2014, that was a revolution against Russia.
00:03:21.780 Russia. Yeah, that was taking over Ukraine. OK, yes. If you could just fill us in, I'm
00:03:26.980 it's coming back to me a little bit about what that was about.
00:03:29.640 So that was remember that that Russia, that very pro Russia, Ukrainian president Yanukovych.
00:03:33.700 Yes. He all of a sudden was like, hey, you know, we're not going to look towards the EU.
00:03:39.020 We're not going. We're just solely going to focus on Russia. That was a huge, I guess, split
00:03:45.900 from what the Ukrainian people actually wanted. Yeah. Western Ukraine is very, very pro Europe.
00:03:50.680 Eastern Ukraine, like in the breakaway regions now, which we can get to later. They're very,
00:03:55.540 very pro Russia. Yeah. Very big split there. But so this was Russia, you know, exerting its
00:04:01.520 influence on their guy that was the president to completely side with Russia. That sparked off the
00:04:08.120 revolution. The people in the foreign policy elite also did not like that here in the United
00:04:12.700 States. That's why the Biden, Biden, Obama people, that's why they supported the Ukrainian
00:04:17.920 revolution. And that's where the fissure happened. Well, Putin, again, just like, you know, Hillary
00:04:23.940 Clinton back in, you know, for the election stuff, never forgot that. Now, there's a big
00:04:29.740 reason why this didn't happen under Trump, because all of Trump's people weren't there
00:04:34.420 for one, but they had a different vision for, you know, how things would progress. Now, fast
00:04:39.440 forward to now, Putin knows exactly what the Biden people want to do. They want to dominate
00:04:44.360 Ukraine. And that's obviously a big red line for Putin. So he's striking back against the
00:04:51.560 Biden administration and what they plan to do. That's why I see I see now it's just so
00:04:56.340 ridiculous how, you know, there's actually people trying to blame Trump for what's going
00:05:00.900 on now. Yeah, they're like, you know, Trump said this is just ridiculous. Rachel Maddow
00:05:05.480 just tweeted something about how Trump's policies were in line with the Russian agenda.
00:05:11.580 Is that true? Can you debunk that a little bit? Like, what were Trump's policies towards
00:05:16.920 Moscow? Weren't they a lot harsher than what we hear? I mean, we hear that he was, you
00:05:21.060 know, Putin's puppet. Is that true? So ridiculous. It's revisionist history. It's a complete memory
00:05:26.580 hole of what actually happened during the Trump administration. I mean, you look at his entire
00:05:30.640 strategy was to get NATO more money, basically to make NATO stronger. That's not the Moscow
00:05:36.560 agenda, which is what Matt, I'll call it. Yeah. Sanctioning. Trump put sanctions against
00:05:42.960 Russians. He expelled multiple diplomats. I mean, there was no way he was. He gave Ukraine
00:05:49.160 lethal weaponry when Obama would not. Yeah, that's not the Moscow agenda.
00:05:54.080 So that's a little bit confusing, though, because you did say that Obama was that his administration
00:05:59.640 was supporting Ukraine and the revolution against Russia. But it was Trump that actually supplied
00:06:04.600 Ukraine with weaponry. So like, who's really supportive of Ukraine? That's a little bit of
00:06:11.140 a confusing point for me. There seems to be a debate between like the right. Should we be
00:06:15.100 supporting Ukraine? Should we care about this? And then it's like, well, is it all is it a Democrat
00:06:19.340 position to support Ukraine? Like, what is it? Which which administration, which side really want
00:06:25.300 support for Ukraine? And why? Well, I think the left, they want to dominate Ukraine and they want to
00:06:32.500 make as much money as possible as they can off of Ukraine. How would they do that? How would they
00:06:37.460 make money off of Ukraine? For example, like Burisma, putting their guys in certain sauce,
00:06:43.780 because you think about right after the revolution, then they saw it as wide open. There are all these
00:06:48.940 industries that were within Ukraine that and it's a very rich industry, actually, lots of rare earth
00:06:54.140 metals, oil, natural gas, all that. They saw that as a big piggy bank. And that's why you had officials
00:07:00.600 like Hunter Biden moving in and all of a sudden he's a, you know, an expert in Ukrainian natural
00:07:05.760 gas and oil. It was ludicrous, but, you know, it was a cash cow. That's what it was. You know,
00:07:12.220 other groups like George Soros that were in there and this is fully documented that we're leading this
00:07:16.580 charge to dominate Ukraine. Every time one of these things happens, it's like, you know, Russia after
00:07:24.360 the fall of the Soviet Union, there's all these people that suddenly become oligarchs. Billions and
00:07:28.440 billions of dollars are made. That's what the left wanted to do to Ukraine. They didn't want to give
00:07:32.100 them weaponry, you know what I mean, to help defend themselves. No, they wanted to dominate
00:07:35.580 the country. So you're arguing that basically they wanted to use Ukraine to line their own pockets. And
00:07:42.200 that's why they didn't want Russia or one of the reasons that they didn't want Russia to overtake
00:07:46.960 Ukraine. But when it came to the Trump administration arming Ukraine, what was the
00:07:51.500 motivation behind that? Was it pro-democracy or what was it? I think the Trump administration
00:07:55.480 always had this, you know, there's this idea of a multipolar war world. What we have now is really
00:08:02.740 an aberration. We have one country that since the end of the Cold War has been a superpower that no one
00:08:09.920 else can match the United States. Since our founding, we were never meant to be that. If you're in this
00:08:16.080 goes back to your question on why is there some confusion now on, you know, who supports who or what?
00:08:22.120 Because, I mean, we are, you know, isolationists at heart. That's who we are. And it's it's really
00:08:30.020 hard to find a policy that, you know, I think conservatives can be behind on what to do to
00:08:34.780 Ukraine. I mean, we've got, you know, Canada on our northern border. We've got a Canadian Putin,
00:08:40.980 if you will, right on our back door. You would think that we would be focused more on what's
00:08:46.640 happening to our northern neighbor. You would think, you know, we'd be focusing in more on the
00:08:50.920 collaboration between the American left and let's say the Canadian left that seemed to be going,
00:08:55.380 you know, authoritarian. That to me, in my mind, is a lot scarier than what's happening in Eastern
00:09:01.760 Europe. Yeah. But we still have a foreign policy. We still have to, as conservatives, juggle what do
00:09:08.580 we do about this? And I think Trump's policy was more of a this multipolar war. Let's have countries
00:09:15.660 within Europe, be the first ones that are in line to defend Europe. Yeah. So rather than sending our
00:09:22.680 troops over there, which is what has happened now, correct? He said, you know, we'll equip Ukraine
00:09:29.680 against Russia or help them, but we're not actually going to fight this war. We'll sanction Russia.
00:09:36.500 Also, it seemed like a big part of deterrence of Russia's imperialist, imperialistic power was
00:09:46.300 energy independence for the United States, which Trump worked for. And Biden undercut that as soon
00:09:54.360 as he got into office, he shut down the Keystone pipeline. Now we are relying on Russia for oil,
00:09:59.820 correct? And so that's part of the issue. Yeah. Gas prices. And it was, that was yesterday,
00:10:05.680 Biden saying that, hey, we're just going to have to, you know, we're defending democracy,
00:10:10.140 you know, global democracy. First off, that's not our job. I mean, that's, that's a Cold War era
00:10:15.560 model of thinking, right? That's not who we are anymore. That's not what we're trying to do.
00:10:20.600 Yeah. But they said that we're going to incur some pain. I don't remember the exact quote,
00:10:23.760 but it was something like that. Actually, you know what? I'm going to pause because we have the clip
00:10:27.200 and we'll just play out Biden saying that. Defending freedom will have cost for us as well.
00:10:34.000 And here at home, we need to be honest about that. But as we will do, but as we do this,
00:10:41.040 I'm going to take robust action to make sure the pain of our sanctions
00:10:44.560 is targeted at a Russian economy, not ours. Okay. So what he means by that is that we're going to be
00:10:51.100 paying what, even more in gas, $6, like inflation is going to get worse. There was this ridiculous
00:10:55.980 quote by CBS yesterday saying, oh, you know, the conflict with Russia and Ukraine, you're going
00:11:00.420 to see prices go up as if we haven't. There it is. The U.S. economy has been hit with increased gas
00:11:04.860 prices, inflation and supply chain issues due to the Ukraine crisis, as if that hasn't been
00:11:09.660 happening largely because of the economic policy of this administration for the last year. Now it's,
00:11:14.840 it's Russia's sole fault because of that. That seems like a lot of gaslighting.
00:11:18.600 Yeah. Oh, it's such a cop out. It's such a cop out. It would be very, I mean,
00:11:22.520 just a year ago we were energy independent. Right. Um, now because of all these, I mean,
00:11:27.460 they were, they were saying that global warming and climate change and all that
00:11:30.840 was the number one security threat to our country. Right. That's what they were directing
00:11:35.680 Pentagon assets to look at that over crises like this occurring. Right. It's,
00:11:41.740 it's baffling. It's absolutely baffling. Um, but yeah, I think it's, I think just going
00:11:49.420 back to where I, you know, what, when people are trying to figure out what to actually do
00:11:53.780 about this. Yeah. I mean, there's one stance and I'll just like, I don't, I don't know if
00:11:58.660 you saw Tucker Carlson's monologue last night. Yes. He was, where he was basically saying,
00:12:02.720 what has Putin done to us? You know, like he hasn't said, you know, basically he, he is towing
00:12:08.660 a very fine line. That's Tucker Tucker is where it's hard to answer if from a conservative
00:12:17.200 and from an isolationist point of view, which I think that's where he's coming from, which
00:12:20.560 when you get to the core principle, he is correct on that. Yeah. So, you know, we need to mind
00:12:25.760 our own business and worry about what we're doing and not go meddling in the rest of the
00:12:29.280 world. I believe that's where Tucker is coming from. And I do agree with that to a certain point,
00:12:33.380 but I also don't think that there should not be consequences out in the world. Yeah. I don't
00:12:38.400 think that, you know, there, there are things that we can do where we're not, you know, committing
00:12:44.500 U.S. forces, you know, defense assets, any, anything kinetic like military wise. But you
00:12:51.000 can make people pay for their, you know, for their, you know, for their actions. Sanctions
00:12:55.440 are a good way to do that. Broad sanctions that hurt the U.S. economy don't have to happen.
00:13:01.540 You know, you, there can be targeted sanctions that just hurt Russia. Yeah. There are targeted
00:13:05.580 sanctions where you can, you know, sanction this oligarch, this oligarch, this oligarch,
00:13:09.240 and put them against other oligarchs and have them fight it out and eventually push Putin out
00:13:12.920 on their own. You know, there, there's, and there's more, I'm, and I'm just skimming the
00:13:16.620 surface of this, but there's multiple things that you can do where you can insulate, you know,
00:13:21.700 our interests in our economy so that we don't feel the pain. But that's not what's happening right now.
00:13:25.780 That's not what they're doing. That's, that's, that's not their focus. Right now,
00:13:28.640 what they're focused on is this, and I might, you know, make some people mad at this, but
00:13:34.860 the way the United States has been operating ever since 1991, the end of the Cold War,
00:13:40.200 is if the Cold War is still happening. Putin said that NATO was the big reason why he, you know,
00:13:47.020 let me go back real quick. Those two breakaway regions in the East, that's what they're fighting
00:13:51.720 over right now. And like I said before, Putin says those breakaway regions, he says, you know,
00:13:57.980 those have always been Russian. They're Russian regions, essentially. That's what Putin is saying,
00:14:02.900 basically, right? Right. And it's revisionist history. Right. It's, yeah. Well, he also said,
00:14:08.120 just to kind of give people a little bit of context, basically, he's, Russia kind of views
00:14:13.340 Ukraine as like their little brother and treats them as that and doesn't really see them as an
00:14:19.040 independent nation state, a self-determining country. And there is a large part of Eastern
00:14:22.980 Ukraine that is very pro-Russia, as you mentioned earlier. And basically, they just think that they
00:14:28.840 are taking, by overtaking Ukraine, what is rightfully theirs. Correct? So that's what Putin
00:14:35.500 said in his speech. That's what he said. And he wants, he says, oh, this is going to be good. This
00:14:39.680 is good. We're a family, basically. We've got this shared history together, but that's not exactly
00:14:44.900 true. No. So in 2014, after they took Crimea and then the Eastern, you know, separatist reasons
00:14:52.960 broke, broke away, or I don't know even what you would call it. They just kind of said, this is
00:14:58.060 ours. Obama didn't really, did he do anything about that? Sanctions, sanctions. I mean, that's
00:15:04.420 what Biden knows exactly what he, what's going to happen under this scenario. But it's been kind
00:15:09.700 of stuck in a little cold conflict ever since then. But Russia, in effect, has already been
00:15:14.400 there. They, in effect, they've already had this, this territory. So when he said, you
00:15:18.920 know, made that grand statement that they're sending in, you know, Russian forces, they're
00:15:22.240 basically just making, in the Russian view, something legal and out in the open that already
00:15:28.880 happened in 2014. So the fear now is that he won't just, you know, take those Eastern portions.
00:15:35.980 The fear now is that he'll go all the way and seize Kiev. That's the big fear. And that's
00:15:41.620 when things could light up a lot more in Europe and, you know, with a larger conflict.
00:15:48.200 But that speech that he gave, he sounded like a madman. He sounded crazy. Putin's not crazy.
00:15:54.640 Right. And he certainly would never want to project that he is erratic or not in control
00:16:01.160 in any way.
00:16:01.840 Right. Basically what he was saying, what he was giving his own people, the justification,
00:16:06.660 the nationalistic, which Russians are very, going back to the Soviet times and even the
00:16:11.380 Russian Empire, very nationalistic. And their leaders know that and they know when to turn
00:16:15.220 that up. That's exactly what Putin's doing. Yeah. He's a, he's a tactician. He's a, he's
00:16:20.460 a, you know, a hard geopolitics person. He's not nuts like what he was projecting there.
00:16:26.900 Hmm. And, um, so why is that? You said that he sounded like a madman. Like what would have
00:16:32.860 been his purpose behind that?
00:16:35.720 Mostly towards his own people.
00:16:37.400 Oh, but to scare people up in Europe enough to say that, Hey, I'm doing this now. I'm giving
00:16:45.360 you my justification for doing it, but leave that doubt of, will I go further and continue
00:16:51.900 to invade? What else am I capable of? That's basically what it is. And we got that.
00:16:56.620 This kind of leads to that, uh, the thing that the left is really up in arms today about
00:17:00.940 is that quote from Donald Trump where, you know, he was, you know, basically complimenting,
00:17:07.060 um, Vladimir Putin. Um, I've said like, Oh, it was, you know, it was brilliant. He was,
00:17:14.180 you know, he kind of just listed what he was doing, his strategy and the things that he said
00:17:17.900 and basically said, Oh, it's so brilliant. It's so smart, whatever.
00:17:20.260 So let me, so let me contrast that with a tweet from Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC yesterday
00:17:27.640 or a couple of days ago. And the tweet, I just, it was, it was hilarious. He was being
00:17:32.940 absolutely dead serious. And he said, why does everyone think that Putin is so smart? Is
00:17:37.580 it because of his, in, you know, parentheses, bad education? Is it because blah, blah, blah,
00:17:42.760 blah. And so basically he was saying he was stupid. And I was like, that's exactly how you
00:17:46.600 lose a war. That's exactly how you lose an argument. That's how you lose anything is
00:17:50.880 when you assume that your opponent is dumb. Yeah. I was like, so Trump, I've never, every
00:17:55.940 time he has made like any kind of positive remark about, you know, a bad world leader,
00:17:59.920 it's never been from admiration. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it is a respect of their
00:18:05.520 capabilities of what they're capable of doing. Yeah. But then media never takes it from that
00:18:09.960 angle. They always like trying to turn it bad and be like, Oh, it's because he loves
00:18:13.040 Zix taters. Does he? I mean, come on. Right. And like most things that Trump says,
00:18:17.460 which this gets him in trouble, of course, you know, being, if you were his publicist,
00:18:21.740 he would just, it would be really difficult because I think if like we can speak Trumpian,
00:18:26.640 which I'm sure that we can, what he is implying is that Putin is smarter than Biden and that Trump
00:18:34.640 himself would be a better match for this. Because I think it sounds like he's saying, look,
00:18:39.260 this guy knows what he's doing. He's not a good guy. He didn't say that. He's not a great guy,
00:18:44.920 but he's a formidable adversary. And look at our weak leadership, not able to even contend with him.
00:18:51.400 And I think Trump sees himself as really the only formidable adversary to Putin. And so to me,
00:18:59.180 I'm like, everything that Trump says is really kind of a way to build himself up in some way. So I
00:19:04.660 actually think that that's probably what he was doing. Not actual admiration, the same, you know,
00:19:10.180 with Kim Jong-un, but basically saying, look, he's a smart guy. I'm a smart guy. I think we can handle
00:19:15.160 this kind of thing. Yeah. Who do you want to face off against Putin? The guy that thinks he's dumb
00:19:20.600 or the guy that respects his capabilities and what he might be, might do in the future?
00:19:24.640 Right. I'll take the latter on that one. And yeah, and I totally agree with you. I think that's what
00:19:28.860 it was. Yeah. But I mean, the way Trump handled everything, you know, as far as Russian Ukraine was
00:19:33.660 during his administration was just leaps and bounds ahead of everything the Biden administration
00:19:38.460 is doing right now. Isn't that one reason, though, he got impeached was for a phone call with
00:19:42.520 Ukraine? So ridiculous. So ridiculous. You know, I'll go back to NATO. Putin has said his prime,
00:19:51.640 you know, reason for doing what he's doing now is because he doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO.
00:19:57.500 He doesn't want NATO to expand. And I absolutely agree with Putin on that. In fact, and this is what
00:20:05.160 I said earlier is I might. You agree with Putin on not wanting NATO to expand? Yes. Okay. Can you
00:20:10.120 explain that? I don't think NATO should exist anymore. NATO right now is probably the only alliance
00:20:17.020 still left that has no clear purpose. They have no focus. Their focus died in December 1991,
00:20:25.740 the Soviet Union. Okay. That goes back to what you were saying that we've basically been functioning
00:20:30.680 like we're still in 1991. Correct. You could break that down a little bit. So, you know,
00:20:35.980 NATO's purpose was to stop the spread of global communism. The head of that back then was the
00:20:41.180 Soviet Union. That was its design. And because of, you know, the threat of the Soviet Union had
00:20:47.540 militarily nuclear weapons, they needed to have a collective defense, you know, agreement. So if one of
00:20:52.580 if one of us gets attacked, we all get attacked and they respond in turn. But the Soviet Union
00:20:58.120 doesn't exist anymore. The spread of global communism doesn't even exist anymore. Russia
00:21:02.900 do not does not believe in global communism. They're more, you know, akin to something like
00:21:08.660 China, who is not communist either.
00:21:11.240 Well, sorry, I keep on asking you to break things down. But I would have I mean, how is China not
00:21:16.960 communist? I know that they have forms of capitalism in a market for sure. But do they not have
00:21:23.000 communism, at least in how they rule their people? Or is it more fascism, you would say?
00:21:28.820 So, yes, I think it's more akin to fascism, actually, because the state allows these businesses,
00:21:35.920 you know, like Tencent or, you know, all the other businesses over there, they allow them to have the,
00:21:41.180 you know, illusion of private ownership. But the state tells them what to do. I mean,
00:21:45.600 the state has an office, you know, for the Communist Party and every single, you know,
00:21:49.620 corporation. That is the textbook definition of fascism, right? It's not, it's not what the what
00:21:56.640 people, you know, mostly younger people today think fascism is basically every time someone
00:22:02.180 doesn't agree with their opinion. That's fascism. No, it's, it's when the state allows the illusion
00:22:07.660 of private ownership. But the state tells industry what to do, which is basically also by the way,
00:22:12.940 what's happening in Canada with the banks, Trudeau was saying, hey, freeze the bank accounts of these
00:22:18.180 people, who, by the way, didn't commit a crime. So we're violating due process. But we're peaceful
00:22:23.900 protesters. I mean, that is very fascistic as well. And Trudeau has the audacity to say that
00:22:28.860 there he's going to put all these restrictions against Canada and Russia for the sake of preserving
00:22:32.680 democracy, right? It's silly. It's a perfect example. And you look at the way, you know,
00:22:37.820 the Biden administration here in the United States is trying to tell certain businesses,
00:22:41.000 you know, how much carbon footprint they can have. Yeah. You know, this industry can keep going.
00:22:46.780 This industry can't keep going. You have to great reset. It always comes back to the great reset in
00:22:51.140 Davos. It does. It seems like everything does though. I know. I know it's, it's, um, you know,
00:22:56.700 it's 21st century fascism, you know, just without all the, you know, you know, the Jew hating and all
00:23:03.120 that, you know, it's not 1930s fascism, it's 21st century fascism. Yeah. Um, but, uh, um, but yeah,
00:23:11.080 but I, I don't believe that, um, that, that NATO going back to that has that, um, they don't have
00:23:16.980 that mandate anymore. They don't have a focus. They don't, it's almost like it's, you know, uh,
00:23:21.020 it's a relic of the cold war that they're keeping alive because it did a good job back in the day.
00:23:24.980 And they just want the nostalgia of the Alliance. Well, the problem is, is that if you're Russia,
00:23:29.320 you're looking at NATO, uh, and you're like, wait, so are you directing this at us solely now?
00:23:35.760 Like, what is the point? Um, why are they still accepting new members in a Alliance that has no
00:23:41.960 focus? Um, why would they, why would the Biden administration, and I guess this is kind of
00:23:48.040 unfair because Biden is not the head of NATO. So the NATO does have a head naked and NATO can make
00:23:53.060 decisions independently. Um, but why was it completely off the table for them to say,
00:23:58.600 we're not going to, you know, allow Ukraine to be into NATO? Why was that off the table?
00:24:05.040 That was one of the first things, uh, Putin asked for was just, just tell us that, you know,
00:24:09.900 that you're not going to have Ukraine and NATO. No, they wouldn't do it. Yeah. It, it, it, it boggles
00:24:16.380 my mind. Um, and it shows that they just don't really, I don't know if they just don't know what
00:24:20.720 they are doing or if they're pursuing some kind of, you know, goal that a lot of us don't really
00:24:27.100 know about. Um, and yeah, I don't, I don't really know, but if, if, if, if I'm confused about it,
00:24:33.580 you got to believe the people like the Russians are confused about it too. Yeah. Um, but yeah,
00:24:37.540 I don't think NATO should exist anymore. I mean, if you look at, if you look at the way things are
00:24:41.620 starting, starting to shape up and it's kind of scary, um, the map, the map will probably look more
00:24:47.420 like pre-World War I where people that have like minds, like cultures, like, you know, uh, um,
00:24:55.180 um, values, even religion, language, that was something that religions, languages, spiritual
00:25:01.660 history or whatever. Yeah. He doesn't believe in any of that. Yeah, of course. Yeah. He just,
00:25:05.320 he doesn't believe in that crap. All that stuff is just a stir up nationalism. Yeah. Um, but
00:25:09.640 I think that Putin's main, uh, grievance, I'm not going to say he's right on anything. Um, but I
00:25:18.220 think his main grievance has merit and it should be looked at. And I think that Trump during his
00:25:23.660 10 years being that Ukraine was going to join NATO. Um, yes. And then just NATO in general,
00:25:29.840 really, because it doesn't make any sense for it to exist anymore. But I think Trump called that out
00:25:35.040 during his administration. That's probably one of the reasons why Putin was willing to listen to Trump a
00:25:39.060 little bit more because in essence, what Trump was doing was pointing out the irrelevancy of,
00:25:43.480 of NATO. I mean, we were providing the vast majority of the funding for NATO. Yeah. Other
00:25:48.280 countries didn't care like Germany, the UK, like they didn't, they know it was irrelevant too. Yeah.
00:25:53.400 Um, the funny thing now is that it's kind of ironic. Putin knew that as well. Look, they're,
00:25:58.580 they're basically irrelevant. Why keep them around and leave it open to accepting new membership when
00:26:02.820 you can just, you know, be rid of it. But the irony now is that he's kind of making it relevant
00:26:08.760 again. So what you're seeing now is some countries, Germany, UK, uh, Poland has always thought it was
00:26:15.160 relevant because they have a very real, you know, they actually have a threat from Russia.
00:26:19.060 Right. Because like, I mean, Russia could go Ukraine, Poland, and that's, so is that part of
00:26:26.180 the reason why though this is a big deal? Like is Russia so conquest driven and imperialistic that
00:26:33.900 he sees no end in sight to his empire? Like, is he trying to revive Soviet Union, Russia and keep
00:26:40.480 expanding his power? Or is it, is it really just Ukraine? He just wants Ukraine. Like you talked
00:26:45.980 about maybe the understandable motivations of why Putin is doing what he's doing, but what are the
00:26:51.440 nefarious motivations behind what he's doing? If you take his speech at face value, it kind of sounds
00:26:57.260 like he wants to get everything the Soviet Union lost back. Yeah. Um, I don't take it. Which is scary.
00:27:02.680 Which is scary. Not good. Right. And, and that's when it comes into, you know, not really taking the
00:27:07.400 Tucker Carlson side of it, being somewhere a little bit backed off, but still agreeing with him in
00:27:13.920 principle of non-intervention and being more of an isolationist. But keeping in mind, if we, if you
00:27:20.460 don't do something there, where does it lead? Yeah. And that's my, that's my question. As someone who's
00:27:25.560 not a foreign policy expert, like my inclination instinct is to, you know, agree with Tucker
00:27:31.600 Carlson. I'm like, you know, as you mentioned, okay, well, we've got a fascist and what is supposed
00:27:35.440 to be, um, a fellow bulwark of Western civilization and democracy in Canada. We've got tyrannical things
00:27:42.280 happening here in the United States. China is doing terrible things all the time. Why do I care
00:27:46.740 any more about what Russia is doing? They've always kind of been this dictatorship. They're
00:27:51.240 imperialistic. Why should I care so much? So like, yeah, why do, why should we care though?
00:27:57.280 If it does keep expanding versus like the expansion that we already see happening in China,
00:28:04.620 that a lot of the elites here don't seem to care nearly as much about. Why does Russia matter more?
00:28:10.540 Yeah. Well, you know, it's pretty easy to, I, so I will say that I don't think that,
00:28:16.220 I don't think that Russia will go that hard and push out to all these different, I don't,
00:28:22.200 I don't believe that will happen. I think that some kind of deterrent should happen as far as
00:28:26.480 encouraging Europe to, uh, provide more militarily, um, and us doing some kind of targeted sanctions,
00:28:33.280 you know, just to, so that we're kind of playing with the team and so that we can still be a part of
00:28:38.760 the team if it escalates even further. But I don't think Russia will do that. I think if,
00:28:43.960 to understand one of the big problems with, uh, the foreign policy elite, like I, I just call them
00:28:50.280 that cause it sounds more of like a slander because I don't think any of them really know
00:28:53.040 what they're doing, but to really, um, kind of see how they're getting most things wrong,
00:28:57.080 especially with like China and Russia. Okay. Let's look at China. Like, why is China pushing
00:29:01.320 out to like places like Taiwan? Um, all that. Is it just because of the nationalism they talk about
00:29:05.920 the one China? No, no. It always take that stuff and throw it out the window unless you actually do
00:29:11.880 have a madman, you know, like a Hitler or something like that. But I don't think Xi Jinping's a madman.
00:29:16.540 I don't think Vladimir Putin's a madman. I think they're looking at geopolitics, but the easiest
00:29:19.860 way to do this is look at the country that you don't understand. Look at it, look at it from the
00:29:24.500 map, how you've always looked at it, then flip it as if you're in China. So flip the map completely
00:29:30.100 around and then look out at the South China Sea. What do you see? A U.S. base here, a U.S. base here,
00:29:35.540 U.S. base there, U.S. ally, U.S. ally, U.S. ally, U.S. ally. They feel closed in. So what they're doing
00:29:40.400 is they're creating depth, they're creating space. Because if something did happen one day,
00:29:44.480 in China's case, the United States and all its allies could blockade and choke them off.
00:29:48.780 That drives China's policy. That's why they're always so concerned. When you hear it from our
00:29:54.480 perspective or any other country's perspective, they're being authoritarian, which they are,
00:30:00.460 or they're military spreading out and it's a danger. To us, it looks that way. To them,
00:30:07.700 they're just securing their own interests. When you look at Russia, it's the exact same way.
00:30:11.980 Flip the map, look and see what you got. When you flip the map, you see your capital, Moscow,
00:30:16.780 is not too far from Ukraine. If Ukraine ever became in NATO, you could just lob a couple missiles
00:30:23.620 directly at Moscow. That's always, historically, that's always been Russia's main fear. And for good
00:30:29.120 reason, because they've been invaded multiple times throughout history, straight through Poland,
00:30:33.260 places like Ukraine, right there to Moscow. That's why they actually had to move their capital from
00:30:38.320 St. Petersburg to Moscow, just to give them a little bit more depth. Interesting.
00:30:41.940 But that drives all of their foreign policy, getting more and more space. That's why Ukraine
00:30:47.700 gives them a buffer.
00:30:50.980 And is that behind a lot of their efforts to divide and deteriorate the West through propaganda,
00:30:59.720 even just like social media and how they infiltrate our political conversations. I mean, I think we
00:31:09.140 even saw in the Olympics that we have several members of the media who are basically mouthpieces
00:31:14.940 for the Chinese Communist Party. They're certainly apologists. And that's, I guess, what I don't
00:31:19.460 understand, because China and Russia have kind of allied. Like China has come out and they've said
00:31:24.260 that they supported Putin. I think they came together after the Afghanistan debacle and they met, I think,
00:31:32.120 with the new government in Afghanistan. Why is it that the foreign policy elites, the media elites in the
00:31:42.300 United States, they seem to apologize for, defend China, ignore China's imperialistic tendencies. I mean, there was
00:31:52.060 hardly a peep after Hong Kong fell. China's been colonizing countries in Africa and South America
00:31:58.060 for a very long time. All of the, you know, the media and the foreign policy officials that really
00:32:04.300 have nothing to say about that are saying Russia is the biggest deal ever. Like, I don't understand
00:32:09.400 why is it only Russia that matters to them? Why not China too? Is it because they're lining their
00:32:13.940 pockets? What's the deal?
00:32:15.380 That's exactly the reason why. Money, money, money. Ever since China got into the WTO and, you know,
00:32:21.180 opened up, you know, they had, you know, how many, is it 2 billion people they have in that country?
00:32:27.200 They saw that as a huge cash cow. That's what it's all about. Media companies, you know,
00:32:33.200 anything from shoe companies like Nike or the NBA, they see it as a vast, you know, market that they
00:32:39.060 can get into. It also, it exposes their hypocrisy, right? I mean, how can you be, you know, such a big
00:32:46.000 activist on kids in cages on the border, but not care about the concentration camps that are going
00:32:51.660 on? You know, you know, they talk about Trump's Muslim ban, which it wasn't a Muslim ban. Talk
00:32:56.420 about that, you know, with such passion, but not care about them getting euthanized or forcibly
00:33:01.440 sterilized in China.
00:33:03.020 Right.
00:33:03.300 Yeah. I mean, it shows that they're just full of crap, basically.
00:33:07.260 And it's not that you have to care about what's going on in other countries just as much as you
00:33:10.900 have to care on your own. But if you are actively profiting off of that in another country,
00:33:15.600 that does show your hypocrisy there. Mulan was filmed. Like, I am pretty sure it was filmed in
00:33:21.720 Beijing in China by Disney. And so, and they're always the first to say that they care about the
00:33:28.800 marginalized in America. So that absolutely shows their hypocrisy. I also think for like
00:33:33.660 the average person who's not necessarily the average leftist, who's not necessarily profiting
00:33:39.380 from the CCP. I think there's some like intersectionality that comes with it, that
00:33:43.620 people now just in their shallow understanding of politics, just associate Putin with Trump and
00:33:49.100 they're all white and they don't think that they can criticize a non-white country or non-white
00:33:53.760 people. If you think of all white people as oppressors and non-white people as the oppressed,
00:33:58.120 you feel like you can't criticize China because they're brown. So I think that's part of the
00:34:02.340 ignorance and the moral relativism that we see applied there.
00:34:05.260 Yeah. And I think that, and look at it from getting away from corporations, but like the
00:34:09.300 government, I always think that our government will be more critical of Russia because they view
00:34:14.660 it as kind of like a kleptocracy. You know, we talked about, you know, after the Cold War,
00:34:20.140 how, you know, oligarchs kind of came out of nowhere and they started gobbling things up. A lot of
00:34:24.100 those oligarchs were former government people within the Soviet Union or, you know, KGB members,
00:34:29.440 people like that. They just swooped in and stole everything. Um, so that's basically what the
00:34:34.240 Russian government is. It's a kleptocracy. The Chinese government is actually something that I
00:34:37.980 think they aspire to. Um, Justin Trudeau said 2013, he admires China because of their basic
00:34:43.860 dictatorship. They can turn their economy on a dime. And I don't want to do it, but who always
00:34:49.400 headlines the WF conference? I know. She, like every year he's like the first speaker
00:34:55.360 to talk. Yeah. Um, but it's exactly what they want. They want a, uh, a government that has
00:35:01.180 an office inside every corporation. And if they want to turn the spigot off or turn it
00:35:06.240 up in some of these countries, you can't produce that. Or we want you to produce this. Or hey,
00:35:10.060 Spotify, why don't you go ahead and take that Joe Rogan podcast down. Exactly. Yep. That's,
00:35:14.560 that is the government they really want. Yeah. And that's what Canada wants too. And that's
00:35:19.660 exactly what they're, what they're invoking right now. And it's always, by the way, people,
00:35:24.360 because when you bring this up to people on, who are on Trudeau's side, they always say,
00:35:29.160 well, it's for safety. Yeah. Totalitarianism is always for safety. It's always for protection.
00:35:33.960 It's always for our own good. Um, I mean, it's just, it's insane to me how people don't see that.
00:35:39.780 And you just the irony of someone like Justin Trudeau, as I said, saying that they care,
00:35:44.760 he cares about democracy. That's so that's why he is going to, you know, punish Russia when he is
00:35:50.340 doing the opposite in his own country. There's also an irony and a hypocrisy that makes me
00:35:56.140 skeptical about the passion of our elites about what's happening in Russia, Ukraine. And a lot of
00:36:00.940 people have brought this up, but you hear all this rhetoric that every country, um, it has a right
00:36:06.400 to their own sovereignty, has a right to their own self-determination, has a right to their own
00:36:10.260 borders. Why not America? Why is America the only country that according to the left doesn't have
00:36:15.880 that right? Why don't we have a right to enforce our border law? Why don't we have a right to
00:36:20.500 sovereignty? Why can't we be a self-determining nation with collective values and with the shared
00:36:26.440 foundation? Um, they don't believe that when it comes to America, but they believe that about this
00:36:31.240 random Eastern European country. Like I don't understand the motivations behind that.
00:36:35.860 Yeah. Oh yeah. There's a typical left way of thinking. I think they're always chasing,
00:36:41.220 you know, feelings and they're always chasing what, you know, will make them look morally
00:36:46.480 superior in the, in, in the overall argument. Um, it's all lies because they don't really care,
00:36:52.020 but like our border, they framed it in a way, and this is what they do for everything, economics,
00:36:57.540 welfare, everything, but they framed it in a way that, you know, the conservatives looking that want
00:37:03.080 a strong border are somehow, you know, you know, morally bankrupt because, you know, we'll have
00:37:10.120 processing facilities at the border or we won't let certain people come in or whatever that we're
00:37:15.140 more, we're morally inferior to them because they're like, Oh no, let them all in. Look at the
00:37:18.740 poor faces, you know, blah, blah. They just want a good life. Um, it makes them morally superior.
00:37:24.220 Do they actually believe that? No, they don't care. They don't care that they're,
00:37:27.920 you know, greenlighting trafficking. Um, they don't care that, um, you know, the, that,
00:37:34.520 that Obama was actually the one that was called the deporter in chief. They, they, they, they,
00:37:38.760 they quietly dismissed that. They dismissed the fact that he built the cages. No, no, no,
00:37:42.860 don't concentrate on that. Just concentrate what we say. You guys are bad. We're good. Um,
00:37:47.960 you don't like welfare. Um, you know, but look, look how great it is. We care about the little guy.
00:37:52.560 Do you really? Because the war on poverty, uh, Johnson's war on poverty was probably one of the
00:37:58.500 most catastrophic things. I mean, I think it's worse than LBJ or I'm sorry. I think it's worse
00:38:03.220 than Woodrow Wilson. I think it's worse than FDR. Um, it incentivizes families to break up.
00:38:09.360 Yeah. It incentivizes them to stay where they're at, to split their families apart and continue to
00:38:14.420 take the checks and look what that has done to an entire, all, all the families from the,
00:38:19.980 from the 1960s up until now, look what that has done. It's been catastrophic,
00:38:23.920 but we are considered morally inferior because we say we have a different way.
00:38:28.720 Yeah. It's absolutely insane, but it goes to international politics or geopolitics as well.
00:38:33.340 They're like, are you kidding us? Like, you know, we should run in and save Ukraine,
00:38:37.820 you know, send in. I mean, if it came to, if they thought that they could get away with sending
00:38:42.000 troops and then they would have American, you know, uh, social contract to do that,
00:38:45.840 they probably would because they could say, look, we're going there for their own benefit
00:38:48.580 to save them. So do you think that that's a possibility? Do you think there will be American
00:38:53.380 casualties because of this or will it not come to that? I don't know. I think that they'll avoid
00:38:57.800 that like the plague. Yeah. So the troops that have gone, have gone to neighboring NATO countries.
00:39:02.520 And I think it's been largely symbolic. A thousand troops to, you know, Lithuania or something like
00:39:07.480 that is not going to do anything to 2000 Russian troops and all the, you know, military equipment
00:39:14.260 that they have. Um, so it's symbolic. I don't think that they'll go beyond sanctions.
00:39:19.340 I guess now the question is, you know, what could happen? Um, you know, Russia has already been
00:39:26.020 complicit in the downing of that, you know, commercial airliner in Ukraine back in 2014.
00:39:31.060 Um, something like that could happen if you have, you know, a Russian air defense system kickoff
00:39:36.220 and there is a U S plane patrolling and let's say Poland and it's an accident. What happens then?
00:39:43.740 So when you have all of these military assets kind of hovering in the area, it ups the risk that some
00:39:48.820 kind of mistake could happen. And that's when things get hairy. And that's why these things are
00:39:53.060 so dangerous, you know, for them to kick off. Um, other things that could happen and people should
00:39:57.520 really look at this. Um, I was just reading an article that, uh, the Biden administration was
00:40:02.400 looking to wrap up the Iran deal to combat the rising gas prices. So their justification is we'll
00:40:08.540 relieve the sanctions on Iran, you know, as part of this deal, and they'll let the spigot go on,
00:40:13.600 you know, their, you know, their oil and that'll help drive the prices down. If the Ukraine thing
00:40:17.680 starts getting too crazy. So rather than, so now we're again, not relying on the United States
00:40:27.900 and we're not relying on Russia anymore. We're relying on Iran for their oil. So obviously it
00:40:36.500 doesn't like the whole pipeline thing doesn't have to do with climate change. As far as I know,
00:40:41.880 they're not more ecologically friendly in the Middle East or in Russia than we are. What do you,
00:40:47.320 what's the motivation, if you could guess behind turning us from energy independent, which we were
00:40:53.180 under Donald Trump to energy dependent on some of the worst, most brutal regimes in the world,
00:40:58.460 what could possibly be the benefit of that? To pretend that the climate agenda is actually about
00:41:05.420 the climate. Yeah. That's all it is. It has nothing to do with it. Again, they don't care about the
00:41:10.740 immigrants at the border. They don't care about the climate. I don't care how there, there's a small
00:41:15.300 minority that are passionate about the climate. They're the ones that got scared over the past,
00:41:19.460 since I was a kid, since they were talking about the ozone layer. Yeah. There were commercials about
00:41:23.780 the ozone layer when I was a kid, um, you know, back in the eighties, they were like, Oh my gosh,
00:41:28.520 like all the movies were talking about the ozone layer disappearing. I don't think it did. And I
00:41:32.620 haven't heard about the ozone layer since probably like 89 or something like that. Um, but the people
00:41:37.380 that grew up on that and actually got scared about it, they're the, they're the small minority that
00:41:41.200 are actually the ones that believe it. Yeah. All the others see a road to great reset style
00:41:47.160 politics that's coming. And I guess, I guess that's what's behind it is that in order for
00:41:52.120 the great reset to be, to be successful and people can go back and listen to our several episodes on
00:41:58.460 that, then you really, you do need a weak United States and certainly any form of nationalism and
00:42:06.020 independence is kind of an impediment to what they see is like this global governing strategy,
00:42:13.120 the so-called stakeholder capitalism and where property, as you were mentioning with fascism
00:42:19.160 kind of becomes, you know, uh, you can have personal property, but maybe not private property.
00:42:24.760 All of that really is dependent upon changing, um, America's understanding of like property rights,
00:42:34.580 our rights in general, the bill of rights and taking control out of our hands. And I don't know,
00:42:42.260 and putting it into the hands of the government that to me is part of what has been behind the
00:42:46.840 policies that have wrecked our economy and have made us energy dependent. It really is about
00:42:52.060 weakening America. And I saw this montage the other day of all of these world leaders using the phrase
00:42:58.440 build back better. It just made me think, you know, when people asked, do you think that part of
00:43:04.680 all this, how can you think that all of the, this COVID tyranny over the past couple of years was
00:43:09.760 really about like Donald Trump's election or really had to do with America? Well, I don't think it's,
00:43:15.360 it exclusively had to do with America and Donald Trump's election, but I don't really have a hard
00:43:19.940 time believing that it had a lot to do with getting Donald Trump out of office and making him as
00:43:26.440 unpopular as possible. When you've got Joe Biden and every world economic leader saying build back
00:43:31.620 better, there's a global strategy with a shared goal. And I think part of that is the deterioration
00:43:37.460 in the weakening of the United States. I completely agree. And I think it's hilarious.
00:43:41.340 When we first started pointing out great reset stuff, you know, everyone started calling it a
00:43:45.900 conspiracy theory. Of course. And then things like that. It sounds like it though. It really does.
00:43:50.000 I mean, it is a conspiracy. It's just not a theory. Yeah. You know, it's a fact. Yeah. And I mean,
00:43:55.060 yeah, they would, they call us a conspiracy. They were saying it was a global plan. And then things
00:43:58.600 like that came out and you're like, wait, well, so why is Boris Johnson saying build back better?
00:44:02.400 Yeah. Why is the prime minister of New Zealand saying build back better? Like why are all these people
00:44:06.120 saying build back better? Why is it on the Great Reef, the World Economic Forum's website?
00:44:10.660 Like, okay, we can't call them that anymore. And then I remember we were like, yeah, you know,
00:44:14.320 you got to look in, you know, how infiltrated some of these governments are with World Economic
00:44:17.780 Forum people. They were like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. See, we told you. Now, did you see that,
00:44:22.300 you know, thing from Klaus Schwab where he was talking about Trudeau and he said that they
00:44:28.060 penetrate cabinets and he said all the young people in Trudeau's cabinet are World Economic
00:44:32.460 Forum people. Well, that surprised me. There's the one, um,
00:44:36.120 one of what's her name, Kristen or something. That's like his right-hand woman who, gosh,
00:44:42.320 I forgot her background, but she's very deep in the World Economic Forum. I mean, there are
00:44:46.980 politicians on the right and the left, conservative and liberal in the United States
00:44:52.120 who are seen as World Economic Forum leaders. Klaus Schwab, a lot of people are passing around
00:44:58.400 the new book that he put out and, you know, he basically outlined, he's not scared that people
00:45:03.120 know. He basically outlines his plan for the world and literally one thing that he suggests
00:45:08.660 to fight climate change is blocking out the sun. So, like, these people, I mean, it's crazy.
00:45:15.340 They've got a lot of power, though.
00:45:17.040 Everything, I mean, this is not hyperbole. Everything that's going on right now, you need
00:45:21.520 to start looking at it through the lens of what they want to accomplish through the Great Reset.
00:45:25.160 Everything. And that also pertains to Russia right now, because, I mean, you know,
00:45:30.920 Rahm Emanuel said, uh, the quote's often misstated. Uh, they always say it was never
00:45:36.660 let a crisis go to waste. What he really said was never let a serious crisis go to waste.
00:45:41.820 Something like COVID. Um, they tried to build climate change. They're still trying to build
00:45:46.160 climate change as a serious crisis. Um, that has failed to work, um, ever since the ozone is serious.
00:45:51.600 Why do you think that they're relieving? A lot of places are relieving restrictions.
00:45:55.200 If I'm trying to, like, figure out how this fits into the Great Reset, like,
00:45:59.300 why would the UK say, OK, no more restrictions, no more vaccine passports?
00:46:03.180 UK did it because Boris Johnson got caught, um, having a party, uh, you know, during, uh,
00:46:08.240 during the supposed lockdown and he was in a political crisis. That's why they're relieving it.
00:46:12.700 Oh, you think?
00:46:13.620 Absolutely. Yeah. Um, Biden started, we started changing our tune over here when the polls got really bad.
00:46:19.140 Um, look all over the world from France, Amsterdam, or, uh, the Netherlands, uh, Brussels. There's
00:46:25.080 protests breaking out all over the place. They can't do this anymore. Um, they pushed people as
00:46:29.380 far as they could think that they get away with it and now they don't think they can get away with
00:46:32.580 it anymore. But they've doubled down in places like Canada. Yeah. I don't, you know, that's backfiring
00:46:37.560 too. I mean, I, I'm, I'm kind of surprised that they're being so firm with it, but I never would
00:46:42.480 have dreamed that Canada would leave the freedom movement, you know, in the Western world, but they are,
00:46:46.780 you know, good on them. Yeah. I can't believe they beat us to the punch on that. And it's kind
00:46:50.300 of depressing, put in jail for it. I mean, but that's going to break out. That's going to continue.
00:46:55.560 So I think either Canada is going to be forced into take, you know, doing something or the
00:47:01.340 government's just going to get voted out. Um, either, either one. So what do you think in all of
00:47:07.340 this? Um, is there a possibility with all this pushback that we're seeing and certainly if war breaks
00:47:14.200 out and it does turn into an actual war and there are even, you know, American casualties,
00:47:19.880 and I know you said that's probably not going to happen, but if it does, and you know, we end up in
00:47:24.580 a world war three type situation, I mean, and then, you know, inflation and gas prices continue to
00:47:30.820 happen here in the United States. I mean, people are already so discontent with Joe Biden's
00:47:35.640 presidency. There's a large number of people discontent with a lot of the governments in
00:47:40.660 the Western world. Is there hope to stop the great reset plans? Um, is there hope in this pushback
00:47:50.980 and in these protests that we're seeing? Are you optimistic at all?
00:47:55.780 I am optimistic. I, I'm, I'm, uh, it's kind of scary that people like Klaus Schwab will say what I
00:48:02.160 just, what I said earlier, something out loud, how they publish this stuff freely. Now they used to
00:48:06.900 just talk about this in private, you know, boardrooms. Now they just say it and then publish
00:48:11.180 it out in the open because they don't care because that's how far the plan has gotten.
00:48:14.980 So that's kind of scary. There's some things that still need to happen that we need to be on the
00:48:19.320 lookout for. And we need to mobilize like the Canadian truckers did to show that we're not
00:48:24.360 going to stand by. And, but that gives me hope things like Canada gives me hope that, uh, people
00:48:29.400 are not, and it's, it's talked about so much. You've been talking about it. A lot of people have been
00:48:33.260 talking about it. It's more out in the open and people are seeing this is not a conspiracy.
00:48:36.580 It's actually happening, but there are some things like, so they're looking for another
00:48:40.740 serious crisis. Um, this is one thing to look for. They could say, let's say prices get out of
00:48:46.920 control because of inflation and what's happening with the Russia, Ukraine thing. Let's say gas prices
00:48:51.380 go insane. Um, they're looking for a reason to go to a digital currency. They're absolutely looking
00:48:56.740 for that reason. And that should scare the crap out of a lot of people because there's a thing right
00:49:01.220 now. Everyone should look this up called project Hamilton. Um, that's interesting because he was the
00:49:06.440 first one that, you know, talked about a central bank, right? Um, digital currencies were for
00:49:11.300 decentralization. They're going the exact opposite direction with theirs. They're not going to use
00:49:15.460 blockchain. You can read this on, on their website. They released a full white paper on it. Um,
00:49:19.540 they're working with the fed to get this done. Who? Um, uh, it's, uh, I think it's MIT, MIT, MIT and the
00:49:27.820 Boston fed are the ones that have partnered to do this, but project Hamilton. And they stay out in the
00:49:32.860 open. It's not for, they're not going to use blockchain technology. Blockchain technology means
00:49:37.660 that you're, um, all your transactions are private. Um, they can't spy on what you're buying.
00:49:44.460 Um, there's like a ledger that kind of guarantees, uh, that, uh, they can track all the, all the,
00:49:51.660 you know, um, purchases and stuff that take place, but they can't tell what you spend it for,
00:49:56.600 or they can't even tell who spent, spent the money. They're not using that, which means they don't
00:50:01.740 want a ledger of what they are, what they're doing. They want it to all be private. They don't
00:50:05.780 want us to know what they're doing with our money. Plus they can tell every, who bought what and all
00:50:12.540 the different people that are buying stuff. Um, that means the end of privacy. Yeah. That's it.
00:50:17.640 Scare everyone. Did you see, did you watch the Joe Rogan podcast a couple of days ago with that
00:50:21.160 one dude that's talked about it? I haven't gotten around to it yet, but everyone's been telling me
00:50:24.920 to this. My brother sent it to me. I was like, this is fascinating. Oh my gosh. He broke that,
00:50:29.180 his guest broke it down perfectly. And he showed a, an article from the Telegraph.
00:50:32.700 So all, all, all, all the, all the governments in the world that are in on Davos and the great
00:50:37.020 reset, they're all wanting to do this, but they, their government actually said, look,
00:50:41.160 we want the, our digital currency. When we do it, we want, we want it to be programmable.
00:50:44.580 So what he meant by the, what he meant by that was they want to be able to, let's say,
00:50:49.460 let's say they get to a point where they're like, you know what? We only want people to buy
00:50:52.320 things that are essential food, stuff like that. Yeah. Definitely can't buy guns.
00:50:56.180 Don't buy guns. Exactly. That's a big one. Um, we don't want them buying anything that we deem
00:51:00.400 frivolous or let's say bad to the climate or whatever. So we're going to cut off all purchases
00:51:05.380 on things like that. That's what the UK government wants to be in their digital currency.
00:51:10.540 Think about it. Not just like, they're not just restricting items. It's going to become so much
00:51:15.540 easier for the government to do what Trudeau is doing by telling the banks, Hey, freeze these,
00:51:21.180 freeze all of these assets, freeze this money in these bank accounts. Well,
00:51:24.260 the government can skip that step and just do it themselves and just say, um, you can't buy
00:51:29.700 anything unless, you know, your social credit score is up, unless you stop speaking about these
00:51:34.500 things. Um, I mean, there's all kinds of incentives. We're not going to, uh, pay for you to have a
00:51:40.700 third child. There's all kinds of things. The government can say, this is what we want.
00:51:44.280 These are the kinds of people that we are going to allow to buy and sell in society and restrict
00:51:49.640 however they want to using that kind of centralized programmable digital currency, right?
00:51:55.580 Exactly. You call it social credit. That's exactly what it is. Only they'll call it ESG
00:51:58.980 standards over here. ESG. Oh, you got a low ESG, uh, score. Yeah. We're cutting off your
00:52:04.500 non-essential.
00:52:05.140 What's they're already doing to corporations, by the way.
00:52:07.200 That already, and you say it's not a conspiracy. It's already happening.
00:52:10.240 Yeah. It's out in the open. So, I mean, how in the world would we even push back against that?
00:52:16.340 Like, uh, what do you do?
00:52:18.300 I mean, once it's done, it's pretty much done. But I mean, I, I, you said you were optimistic.
00:52:23.820 You're leaving us on a sad note here.
00:52:25.760 Who do I work for? How much optimism do I really have?
00:52:28.400 That's true. Hey, this is relatable though. You don't see a chalkboard behind me. We like a little
00:52:33.200 bit of optimism. So I guess you're just saying we have to keep talking about it and pushing back
00:52:38.600 against this. I also feel like localization is a one, is one great way relying on each other.
00:52:44.120 All of the things that the government has tried desperately to take from us over the past, uh,
00:52:49.980 over the past couple years is community, relying on your church, relying on your family, relying on
00:52:56.540 your friends and your neighborhoods and coming together. I mean, it's almost like we're going
00:53:01.840 back a hundred years in some ways, but relying on each other for the things, um, for the things
00:53:07.880 that we need.
00:53:08.720 Yeah. They're pushing basically radical globalism, um, controlled by, you know, a select few
00:53:14.700 governments basically that hold most of the cards. Um, we need to look in the opposite direction.
00:53:19.000 We need to go, you mentioned localization, radical localization. Um, I've switched, I've taken all my
00:53:24.560 money out of one of the big banks that one of the fed banks. Um, I took an, all my money out of
00:53:29.540 there and I put it in a local bank. Um, any bank that is kind of cut off from that fed system
00:53:34.640 where they will have the power to manipulate your money or pull a Justin Trudeau, you know, freeze
00:53:39.900 assets, get your money as far away from that as you can. So local banks that aren't connected to that
00:53:45.220 system. Um, I was going to say Bitcoin, I've invested in Bitcoin, but I think they're going to be on the
00:53:52.060 chalk and block too. I mean, if the fed creates a fed coin, a digital dollar, um, they're going to want to
00:53:58.060 hold the monopoly on, on digital currency. So the government does. And what did China do? China
00:54:02.300 banned Bitcoin. Yeah. So that's the model. Yeah. That's, that's the logical next step for them to
00:54:07.800 try and do that as well. Yeah. And while voting matters, I mean, I know that voting is everything.
00:54:12.580 There are plenty of Republicans that are corrupt as well, but I mean, elections do matter. Like if we,
00:54:20.960 America can still lead the charge against this stuff. We, they can still be the one to push back.
00:54:26.180 I mean, I have to say, knowing everything that we know about the great reset, it's hard to even like
00:54:30.920 hope for the integrity of our elections. Just even if it's in the sense of like, okay, a media
00:54:36.560 orchestrated corporation orchestrated effort against the Republican candidate, that's still a way of
00:54:41.940 rigging the election, which does worry me. But I mean, it's the only, you know, we have to do it.
00:54:48.260 We have to push. Yeah. And the left is not used to us pushing back like that. Yeah. Um, I just read a
00:54:53.740 great article from, uh, Glenn Greenwald on his sub stack. And, um, he was talking about how the
00:54:59.060 system, you know, for years has been gearing up to this to where they can silence all dissent by brutal
00:55:05.640 means of possible, like the emergency act in Canada. Um, that means that we're starting to
00:55:11.560 scare them a little bit. Um, when we can, when Canadians can mobilize something of that magnitude
00:55:17.120 to push back on, you know, you know, leftist overreach, that's scary to them. When the January
00:55:23.500 6th thing happened, that scared the crap out of them because they're like, Oh my gosh, we knew that
00:55:28.240 Donald Trump had a lot of supporters, but we didn't know they were actually going to, you know,
00:55:32.760 rise to the occasion like we've been doing, you know, over the past few years to actually mobilize
00:55:36.780 and come together and let their voices be heard. They're not used to that. Same thing happened with
00:55:40.820 a tea party. Which I'm not, I don't know that the means that were used on January 6th by a lot of
00:55:45.860 people were the best means to, to put it mildly. No, no, no, no. But I mean, but I would say that
00:55:53.080 the, the vast majority of the people that showed up at the January 6th thing had no intention at all
00:55:58.060 of breaking the law. And they didn't. A lot of them, I mean, were just there to hear president
00:56:03.480 Trump speak. And then there were other people that were absolute idiots and did what they did.
00:56:08.080 I was in DC probably two weeks before that. Um, I went with my boss to a meeting up there and
00:56:14.220 they had another rally and it was all over the place. Like Washington DC was shut down. There
00:56:18.520 was Trump supporters everywhere. And it felt so cool because again, I had that feeling of I'm not
00:56:23.540 used to this. I'm not used to so many people on the right side of the spectrum showing up in support
00:56:29.120 of something like this. I saw it. I saw it with the tea party. And that was, again, that was another
00:56:32.860 thing that completely changed everything for the left. It reoriented the way that they went about
00:56:38.020 attacking us, you know, you know, the way that they operate in general, but they're not used to
00:56:43.560 that. That's why as Greenwald pointed out, it's so important that we recognize what they're doing
00:56:48.420 now in places like Canada. Um, the January 6th commission, um, they're trying to specifically go
00:56:54.340 after silencing dissent. That's the shift now. It's such a radical change because they used to be
00:56:59.560 all about dissent, right? Like the sixties, the hippies, they still see themselves as that they
00:57:03.880 still see themselves as the resistance. You know, it's just insane. Like, like anonymous is
00:57:08.800 another example. Anonymous, the hacker group. Um, they were to, they were all about supporting
00:57:14.060 dissenters, right? They were the ultimate dissenters. Um, now you had that co-founder of
00:57:19.320 anonymous that's doxing people, dissenters in Canada. Yeah. It's a complete just flip flop.
00:57:25.480 It's a complete shift. They're part of the regime. They're bootlickers. The very people that
00:57:29.640 call themselves anti-fascists are the fascists. And it's clever. I mean, it has been the trick
00:57:35.480 and the mode of operation of totalitarians really since the beginning of time, but definitely in the
00:57:41.700 20th century. And I just say, like I said the other day, if you want to know, like all people love to
00:57:47.460 fantasize looking back at the 20th century and saying, you know, if I had been in Italy or Soviet
00:57:52.220 Russia or Cambodia, like I would have been on the right side. I would have stood against those
00:57:56.040 totalitarians and the oppression. Well, where are you right now? Like, where do you stand right now?
00:58:01.060 When you look at what's happening in Canada, where do you stand? That tells you exactly where you would
00:58:06.100 have stood 100 years ago. It's no different. We haven't gotten to the same place yet where a lot
00:58:10.900 of those countries did in the 20th century, but it doesn't happen all at once. Yeah. And if we don't
00:58:15.460 continue to stand, it will get that bad. It will. So, but that's, I guess the source of my hope
00:58:20.800 going forward is that that is starting to happen. And I think that, I think that people are to that
00:58:26.240 breaking point. I think that the left pushed too hard, especially with COVID. And I think that they've,
00:58:30.900 that's kind of run, people have hit their limit. And as long as people keep standing up, you know,
00:58:36.300 peacefully with, you know, you know, in the vein of Martin Luther King, I think that we've got a good
00:58:42.640 shot. Yeah. And Republicans in office, you need to kind of retabulate, recalculate and actually push
00:58:53.340 for what your constituents want. Like we just don't need the like tax cuts only party anymore.
00:59:00.480 Like we need fighters who are going to fight for the things that the people who voted for you want
00:59:05.300 to fight for. Um, and so let's hope that that happens. Thank goodness that Jesus is coming back one
00:59:11.540 day. This is crazy, crazy. That's where my hope is. Even if all of this political stuff
00:59:16.380 doesn't work out. All right, Jason, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.
00:59:21.020 My pleasure.
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