Ep 571 ｜ Russia & Ukraine： What's REALLY Going On？ ｜ Guest： Jason Buttrill
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As promised, we are talking to Jason Buttrell, who is the Chief Researcher and Head Writer for Glenn Beck. He is a foreign policy expert who breaks down what is happening between Russia and Ukraine and why it s so important.
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Allie. Okay, as promised, we are talking about Russia, Ukraine. We are talking to Jason Buttrell.
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He is the chief researcher and head writer for Glenn Beck. He is a foreign policy expert. He's
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going to break it all down for us and explain what is even going on between Russia and Ukraine.
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Russia is invading Ukraine. They're saying that's because Ukraine really belongs to us.
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And then Western countries are saying not so fast. Why are we paying so much attention to this? Should
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we be paying so much attention to this? What does this mean geopolitically? And then we're going to
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talk about lots of things that fit into this. Hopefully, by the end of it, you will have a
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picture of the significance of all of this and kind of the different perspectives on the left
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and the right with it. We'll be following up on this big subject in the coming weeks, though,
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for sure. Without further ado, here is Jason Buttrell.
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Jason, thank you so much for joining us. Basically, we need you to explain this Russia-Ukraine
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conflict like we're five. So pretend like we don't know anything about what's going on,
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Just watching Kamala Harris talk to the people over in the EU.
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You know what? That's better. Explain it to us like we're Kamala Harris.
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Yeah, it was funny. I was watching her talk to them and she was talking about it as if this is,
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you know, she was like, we've been, it's been peace for 70 years. And, you know, now we're on
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the verge of war. Well, really, it's already been happening since 2014. There's been a hot war
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in eastern Ukraine between Russia since 2014. It hasn't stopped. It's just no one really talks
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So basically, I'm going to, I'm going to go back to Hillary Clinton.
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Hillary Clinton talked a lot about the Russian elections. When was that? I want to say around
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2008-ish, 9, 10. And Putin was up for, for a re-election. And they did a lot of things
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working through NGOs, got some protests going. And from what they said, it interfered in their
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elections. Now, you fast forward to the 2016 election, Putin never, never forgot that. He
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struck back. I'm not saying that their election interference actually changed anything because
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But they tried. And they did it. And it was a direct payback from Democrats at the time
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screwing with Russian elections or interfering in Russian, you know. And again, I'm not apologizing
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for anything he did. It's just, that's a fact. That's what happened. Now, you go to 2014,
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you had the Ukrainian revolution, all of that going. Again, a lot of the same people in the
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State Department within the Obama administration, Biden was the point man at the time. They helped
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orchestrate a lot of what was going on then by encouraging people to protest, supporting the
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So the Ukrainian revolution in 2014, that was a revolution against Russia.
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Russia. Yeah, that was taking over Ukraine. OK, yes. If you could just fill us in, I'm
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it's coming back to me a little bit about what that was about.
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So that was remember that that Russia, that very pro Russia, Ukrainian president Yanukovych.
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Yes. He all of a sudden was like, hey, you know, we're not going to look towards the EU.
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We're not going. We're just solely going to focus on Russia. That was a huge, I guess, split
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from what the Ukrainian people actually wanted. Yeah. Western Ukraine is very, very pro Europe.
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Eastern Ukraine, like in the breakaway regions now, which we can get to later. They're very,
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very pro Russia. Yeah. Very big split there. But so this was Russia, you know, exerting its
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influence on their guy that was the president to completely side with Russia. That sparked off the
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revolution. The people in the foreign policy elite also did not like that here in the United
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States. That's why the Biden, Biden, Obama people, that's why they supported the Ukrainian
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revolution. And that's where the fissure happened. Well, Putin, again, just like, you know, Hillary
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Clinton back in, you know, for the election stuff, never forgot that. Now, there's a big
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reason why this didn't happen under Trump, because all of Trump's people weren't there
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for one, but they had a different vision for, you know, how things would progress. Now, fast
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forward to now, Putin knows exactly what the Biden people want to do. They want to dominate
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Ukraine. And that's obviously a big red line for Putin. So he's striking back against the
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Biden administration and what they plan to do. That's why I see I see now it's just so
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ridiculous how, you know, there's actually people trying to blame Trump for what's going
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on now. Yeah, they're like, you know, Trump said this is just ridiculous. Rachel Maddow
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just tweeted something about how Trump's policies were in line with the Russian agenda.
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Is that true? Can you debunk that a little bit? Like, what were Trump's policies towards
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Moscow? Weren't they a lot harsher than what we hear? I mean, we hear that he was, you
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know, Putin's puppet. Is that true? So ridiculous. It's revisionist history. It's a complete memory
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hole of what actually happened during the Trump administration. I mean, you look at his entire
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strategy was to get NATO more money, basically to make NATO stronger. That's not the Moscow
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agenda, which is what Matt, I'll call it. Yeah. Sanctioning. Trump put sanctions against
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Russians. He expelled multiple diplomats. I mean, there was no way he was. He gave Ukraine
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lethal weaponry when Obama would not. Yeah, that's not the Moscow agenda.
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So that's a little bit confusing, though, because you did say that Obama was that his administration
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was supporting Ukraine and the revolution against Russia. But it was Trump that actually supplied
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Ukraine with weaponry. So like, who's really supportive of Ukraine? That's a little bit of
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a confusing point for me. There seems to be a debate between like the right. Should we be
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supporting Ukraine? Should we care about this? And then it's like, well, is it all is it a Democrat
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position to support Ukraine? Like, what is it? Which which administration, which side really want
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support for Ukraine? And why? Well, I think the left, they want to dominate Ukraine and they want to
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make as much money as possible as they can off of Ukraine. How would they do that? How would they
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make money off of Ukraine? For example, like Burisma, putting their guys in certain sauce,
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because you think about right after the revolution, then they saw it as wide open. There are all these
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industries that were within Ukraine that and it's a very rich industry, actually, lots of rare earth
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metals, oil, natural gas, all that. They saw that as a big piggy bank. And that's why you had officials
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like Hunter Biden moving in and all of a sudden he's a, you know, an expert in Ukrainian natural
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gas and oil. It was ludicrous, but, you know, it was a cash cow. That's what it was. You know,
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other groups like George Soros that were in there and this is fully documented that we're leading this
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charge to dominate Ukraine. Every time one of these things happens, it's like, you know, Russia after
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the fall of the Soviet Union, there's all these people that suddenly become oligarchs. Billions and
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billions of dollars are made. That's what the left wanted to do to Ukraine. They didn't want to give
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them weaponry, you know what I mean, to help defend themselves. No, they wanted to dominate
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the country. So you're arguing that basically they wanted to use Ukraine to line their own pockets. And
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that's why they didn't want Russia or one of the reasons that they didn't want Russia to overtake
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Ukraine. But when it came to the Trump administration arming Ukraine, what was the
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motivation behind that? Was it pro-democracy or what was it? I think the Trump administration
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always had this, you know, there's this idea of a multipolar war world. What we have now is really
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an aberration. We have one country that since the end of the Cold War has been a superpower that no one
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else can match the United States. Since our founding, we were never meant to be that. If you're in this
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goes back to your question on why is there some confusion now on, you know, who supports who or what?
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Because, I mean, we are, you know, isolationists at heart. That's who we are. And it's it's really
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hard to find a policy that, you know, I think conservatives can be behind on what to do to
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Ukraine. I mean, we've got, you know, Canada on our northern border. We've got a Canadian Putin,
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if you will, right on our back door. You would think that we would be focused more on what's
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happening to our northern neighbor. You would think, you know, we'd be focusing in more on the
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collaboration between the American left and let's say the Canadian left that seemed to be going,
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you know, authoritarian. That to me, in my mind, is a lot scarier than what's happening in Eastern
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Europe. Yeah. But we still have a foreign policy. We still have to, as conservatives, juggle what do
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we do about this? And I think Trump's policy was more of a this multipolar war. Let's have countries
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within Europe, be the first ones that are in line to defend Europe. Yeah. So rather than sending our
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troops over there, which is what has happened now, correct? He said, you know, we'll equip Ukraine
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against Russia or help them, but we're not actually going to fight this war. We'll sanction Russia.
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Also, it seemed like a big part of deterrence of Russia's imperialist, imperialistic power was
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energy independence for the United States, which Trump worked for. And Biden undercut that as soon
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as he got into office, he shut down the Keystone pipeline. Now we are relying on Russia for oil,
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correct? And so that's part of the issue. Yeah. Gas prices. And it was, that was yesterday,
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Biden saying that, hey, we're just going to have to, you know, we're defending democracy,
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you know, global democracy. First off, that's not our job. I mean, that's, that's a Cold War era
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model of thinking, right? That's not who we are anymore. That's not what we're trying to do.
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Yeah. But they said that we're going to incur some pain. I don't remember the exact quote,
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but it was something like that. Actually, you know what? I'm going to pause because we have the clip
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and we'll just play out Biden saying that. Defending freedom will have cost for us as well.
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And here at home, we need to be honest about that. But as we will do, but as we do this,
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I'm going to take robust action to make sure the pain of our sanctions
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is targeted at a Russian economy, not ours. Okay. So what he means by that is that we're going to be
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paying what, even more in gas, $6, like inflation is going to get worse. There was this ridiculous
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quote by CBS yesterday saying, oh, you know, the conflict with Russia and Ukraine, you're going
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to see prices go up as if we haven't. There it is. The U.S. economy has been hit with increased gas
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prices, inflation and supply chain issues due to the Ukraine crisis, as if that hasn't been
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happening largely because of the economic policy of this administration for the last year. Now it's,
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it's Russia's sole fault because of that. That seems like a lot of gaslighting.
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Yeah. Oh, it's such a cop out. It's such a cop out. It would be very, I mean,
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just a year ago we were energy independent. Right. Um, now because of all these, I mean,
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they were, they were saying that global warming and climate change and all that
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was the number one security threat to our country. Right. That's what they were directing
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Pentagon assets to look at that over crises like this occurring. Right. It's,
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it's baffling. It's absolutely baffling. Um, but yeah, I think it's, I think just going
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back to where I, you know, what, when people are trying to figure out what to actually do
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about this. Yeah. I mean, there's one stance and I'll just like, I don't, I don't know if
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you saw Tucker Carlson's monologue last night. Yes. He was, where he was basically saying,
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what has Putin done to us? You know, like he hasn't said, you know, basically he, he is towing
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a very fine line. That's Tucker Tucker is where it's hard to answer if from a conservative
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and from an isolationist point of view, which I think that's where he's coming from, which
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when you get to the core principle, he is correct on that. Yeah. So, you know, we need to mind
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our own business and worry about what we're doing and not go meddling in the rest of the
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world. I believe that's where Tucker is coming from. And I do agree with that to a certain point,
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but I also don't think that there should not be consequences out in the world. Yeah. I don't
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think that, you know, there, there are things that we can do where we're not, you know, committing
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U.S. forces, you know, defense assets, any, anything kinetic like military wise. But you
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can make people pay for their, you know, for their, you know, for their actions. Sanctions
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are a good way to do that. Broad sanctions that hurt the U.S. economy don't have to happen.
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You know, you, there can be targeted sanctions that just hurt Russia. Yeah. There are targeted
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sanctions where you can, you know, sanction this oligarch, this oligarch, this oligarch,
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and put them against other oligarchs and have them fight it out and eventually push Putin out
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on their own. You know, there, there's, and there's more, I'm, and I'm just skimming the
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surface of this, but there's multiple things that you can do where you can insulate, you know,
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our interests in our economy so that we don't feel the pain. But that's not what's happening right now.
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That's not what they're doing. That's, that's, that's not their focus. Right now,
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what they're focused on is this, and I might, you know, make some people mad at this, but
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the way the United States has been operating ever since 1991, the end of the Cold War,
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is if the Cold War is still happening. Putin said that NATO was the big reason why he, you know,
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let me go back real quick. Those two breakaway regions in the East, that's what they're fighting
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over right now. And like I said before, Putin says those breakaway regions, he says, you know,
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those have always been Russian. They're Russian regions, essentially. That's what Putin is saying,
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basically, right? Right. And it's revisionist history. Right. It's, yeah. Well, he also said,
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just to kind of give people a little bit of context, basically, he's, Russia kind of views
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Ukraine as like their little brother and treats them as that and doesn't really see them as an
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independent nation state, a self-determining country. And there is a large part of Eastern
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Ukraine that is very pro-Russia, as you mentioned earlier. And basically, they just think that they
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are taking, by overtaking Ukraine, what is rightfully theirs. Correct? So that's what Putin
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said in his speech. That's what he said. And he wants, he says, oh, this is going to be good. This
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is good. We're a family, basically. We've got this shared history together, but that's not exactly
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true. No. So in 2014, after they took Crimea and then the Eastern, you know, separatist reasons
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broke, broke away, or I don't know even what you would call it. They just kind of said, this is
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ours. Obama didn't really, did he do anything about that? Sanctions, sanctions. I mean, that's
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what Biden knows exactly what he, what's going to happen under this scenario. But it's been kind
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of stuck in a little cold conflict ever since then. But Russia, in effect, has already been
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there. They, in effect, they've already had this, this territory. So when he said, you
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know, made that grand statement that they're sending in, you know, Russian forces, they're
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basically just making, in the Russian view, something legal and out in the open that already
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happened in 2014. So the fear now is that he won't just, you know, take those Eastern portions.
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The fear now is that he'll go all the way and seize Kiev. That's the big fear. And that's
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when things could light up a lot more in Europe and, you know, with a larger conflict.
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But that speech that he gave, he sounded like a madman. He sounded crazy. Putin's not crazy.
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Right. And he certainly would never want to project that he is erratic or not in control
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Right. Basically what he was saying, what he was giving his own people, the justification,
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the nationalistic, which Russians are very, going back to the Soviet times and even the
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Russian Empire, very nationalistic. And their leaders know that and they know when to turn
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that up. That's exactly what Putin's doing. Yeah. He's a, he's a tactician. He's a, he's
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a, you know, a hard geopolitics person. He's not nuts like what he was projecting there.
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Hmm. And, um, so why is that? You said that he sounded like a madman. Like what would have
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Oh, but to scare people up in Europe enough to say that, Hey, I'm doing this now. I'm giving
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you my justification for doing it, but leave that doubt of, will I go further and continue
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to invade? What else am I capable of? That's basically what it is. And we got that.
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This kind of leads to that, uh, the thing that the left is really up in arms today about
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is that quote from Donald Trump where, you know, he was, you know, basically complimenting,
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um, Vladimir Putin. Um, I've said like, Oh, it was, you know, it was brilliant. He was,
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you know, he kind of just listed what he was doing, his strategy and the things that he said
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and basically said, Oh, it's so brilliant. It's so smart, whatever.
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So let me, so let me contrast that with a tweet from Lawrence O'Donnell, MSNBC yesterday
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or a couple of days ago. And the tweet, I just, it was, it was hilarious. He was being
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absolutely dead serious. And he said, why does everyone think that Putin is so smart? Is
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it because of his, in, you know, parentheses, bad education? Is it because blah, blah, blah,
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blah. And so basically he was saying he was stupid. And I was like, that's exactly how you
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lose a war. That's exactly how you lose an argument. That's how you lose anything is
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when you assume that your opponent is dumb. Yeah. I was like, so Trump, I've never, every
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time he has made like any kind of positive remark about, you know, a bad world leader,
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it's never been from admiration. Yeah. You know, it's, it's, it is a respect of their
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capabilities of what they're capable of doing. Yeah. But then media never takes it from that
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angle. They always like trying to turn it bad and be like, Oh, it's because he loves
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Zix taters. Does he? I mean, come on. Right. And like most things that Trump says,
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which this gets him in trouble, of course, you know, being, if you were his publicist,
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he would just, it would be really difficult because I think if like we can speak Trumpian,
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which I'm sure that we can, what he is implying is that Putin is smarter than Biden and that Trump
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himself would be a better match for this. Because I think it sounds like he's saying, look,
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this guy knows what he's doing. He's not a good guy. He didn't say that. He's not a great guy,
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but he's a formidable adversary. And look at our weak leadership, not able to even contend with him.
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And I think Trump sees himself as really the only formidable adversary to Putin. And so to me,
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I'm like, everything that Trump says is really kind of a way to build himself up in some way. So I
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actually think that that's probably what he was doing. Not actual admiration, the same, you know,
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with Kim Jong-un, but basically saying, look, he's a smart guy. I'm a smart guy. I think we can handle
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this kind of thing. Yeah. Who do you want to face off against Putin? The guy that thinks he's dumb
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or the guy that respects his capabilities and what he might be, might do in the future?
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Right. I'll take the latter on that one. And yeah, and I totally agree with you. I think that's what
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it was. Yeah. But I mean, the way Trump handled everything, you know, as far as Russian Ukraine was
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during his administration was just leaps and bounds ahead of everything the Biden administration
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is doing right now. Isn't that one reason, though, he got impeached was for a phone call with
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Ukraine? So ridiculous. So ridiculous. You know, I'll go back to NATO. Putin has said his prime,
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you know, reason for doing what he's doing now is because he doesn't want Ukraine to join NATO.
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He doesn't want NATO to expand. And I absolutely agree with Putin on that. In fact, and this is what
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I said earlier is I might. You agree with Putin on not wanting NATO to expand? Yes. Okay. Can you
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explain that? I don't think NATO should exist anymore. NATO right now is probably the only alliance
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still left that has no clear purpose. They have no focus. Their focus died in December 1991,
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the Soviet Union. Okay. That goes back to what you were saying that we've basically been functioning
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like we're still in 1991. Correct. You could break that down a little bit. So, you know,
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NATO's purpose was to stop the spread of global communism. The head of that back then was the
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Soviet Union. That was its design. And because of, you know, the threat of the Soviet Union had
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militarily nuclear weapons, they needed to have a collective defense, you know, agreement. So if one of
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if one of us gets attacked, we all get attacked and they respond in turn. But the Soviet Union
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doesn't exist anymore. The spread of global communism doesn't even exist anymore. Russia
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do not does not believe in global communism. They're more, you know, akin to something like
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Well, sorry, I keep on asking you to break things down. But I would have I mean, how is China not
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communist? I know that they have forms of capitalism in a market for sure. But do they not have
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communism, at least in how they rule their people? Or is it more fascism, you would say?
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So, yes, I think it's more akin to fascism, actually, because the state allows these businesses,
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you know, like Tencent or, you know, all the other businesses over there, they allow them to have the,
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you know, illusion of private ownership. But the state tells them what to do. I mean,
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the state has an office, you know, for the Communist Party and every single, you know,
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corporation. That is the textbook definition of fascism, right? It's not, it's not what the what
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people, you know, mostly younger people today think fascism is basically every time someone
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doesn't agree with their opinion. That's fascism. No, it's, it's when the state allows the illusion
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of private ownership. But the state tells industry what to do, which is basically also by the way,
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what's happening in Canada with the banks, Trudeau was saying, hey, freeze the bank accounts of these
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people, who, by the way, didn't commit a crime. So we're violating due process. But we're peaceful
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protesters. I mean, that is very fascistic as well. And Trudeau has the audacity to say that
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there he's going to put all these restrictions against Canada and Russia for the sake of preserving
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democracy, right? It's silly. It's a perfect example. And you look at the way, you know,
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the Biden administration here in the United States is trying to tell certain businesses,
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you know, how much carbon footprint they can have. Yeah. You know, this industry can keep going.
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This industry can't keep going. You have to great reset. It always comes back to the great reset in
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Davos. It does. It seems like everything does though. I know. I know it's, it's, um, you know,
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it's 21st century fascism, you know, just without all the, you know, you know, the Jew hating and all
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that, you know, it's not 1930s fascism, it's 21st century fascism. Yeah. Um, but, uh, um, but yeah,
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but I, I don't believe that, um, that, that NATO going back to that has that, um, they don't have
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that mandate anymore. They don't have a focus. They don't, it's almost like it's, you know, uh,
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it's a relic of the cold war that they're keeping alive because it did a good job back in the day.
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And they just want the nostalgia of the Alliance. Well, the problem is, is that if you're Russia,
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you're looking at NATO, uh, and you're like, wait, so are you directing this at us solely now?
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Like, what is the point? Um, why are they still accepting new members in a Alliance that has no
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focus? Um, why would they, why would the Biden administration, and I guess this is kind of
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unfair because Biden is not the head of NATO. So the NATO does have a head naked and NATO can make
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decisions independently. Um, but why was it completely off the table for them to say,
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we're not going to, you know, allow Ukraine to be into NATO? Why was that off the table?
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That was one of the first things, uh, Putin asked for was just, just tell us that, you know,
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that you're not going to have Ukraine and NATO. No, they wouldn't do it. Yeah. It, it, it, it boggles
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my mind. Um, and it shows that they just don't really, I don't know if they just don't know what
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they are doing or if they're pursuing some kind of, you know, goal that a lot of us don't really
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know about. Um, and yeah, I don't, I don't really know, but if, if, if, if I'm confused about it,
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you got to believe the people like the Russians are confused about it too. Yeah. Um, but yeah,
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I don't think NATO should exist anymore. I mean, if you look at, if you look at the way things are
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starting, starting to shape up and it's kind of scary, um, the map, the map will probably look more
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like pre-World War I where people that have like minds, like cultures, like, you know, uh, um,
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um, values, even religion, language, that was something that religions, languages, spiritual
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history or whatever. Yeah. He doesn't believe in any of that. Yeah, of course. Yeah. He just,
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he doesn't believe in that crap. All that stuff is just a stir up nationalism. Yeah. Um, but
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I think that Putin's main, uh, grievance, I'm not going to say he's right on anything. Um, but I
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think his main grievance has merit and it should be looked at. And I think that Trump during his
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10 years being that Ukraine was going to join NATO. Um, yes. And then just NATO in general,
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really, because it doesn't make any sense for it to exist anymore. But I think Trump called that out
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during his administration. That's probably one of the reasons why Putin was willing to listen to Trump a
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little bit more because in essence, what Trump was doing was pointing out the irrelevancy of,
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of NATO. I mean, we were providing the vast majority of the funding for NATO. Yeah. Other
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countries didn't care like Germany, the UK, like they didn't, they know it was irrelevant too. Yeah.
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Um, the funny thing now is that it's kind of ironic. Putin knew that as well. Look, they're,
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they're basically irrelevant. Why keep them around and leave it open to accepting new membership when
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you can just, you know, be rid of it. But the irony now is that he's kind of making it relevant
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again. So what you're seeing now is some countries, Germany, UK, uh, Poland has always thought it was
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relevant because they have a very real, you know, they actually have a threat from Russia.
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Right. Because like, I mean, Russia could go Ukraine, Poland, and that's, so is that part of
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the reason why though this is a big deal? Like is Russia so conquest driven and imperialistic that
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he sees no end in sight to his empire? Like, is he trying to revive Soviet Union, Russia and keep
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expanding his power? Or is it, is it really just Ukraine? He just wants Ukraine. Like you talked
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about maybe the understandable motivations of why Putin is doing what he's doing, but what are the
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nefarious motivations behind what he's doing? If you take his speech at face value, it kind of sounds
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like he wants to get everything the Soviet Union lost back. Yeah. Um, I don't take it. Which is scary.
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Which is scary. Not good. Right. And, and that's when it comes into, you know, not really taking the
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Tucker Carlson side of it, being somewhere a little bit backed off, but still agreeing with him in
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principle of non-intervention and being more of an isolationist. But keeping in mind, if we, if you
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don't do something there, where does it lead? Yeah. And that's my, that's my question. As someone who's
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not a foreign policy expert, like my inclination instinct is to, you know, agree with Tucker
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Carlson. I'm like, you know, as you mentioned, okay, well, we've got a fascist and what is supposed
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to be, um, a fellow bulwark of Western civilization and democracy in Canada. We've got tyrannical things
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happening here in the United States. China is doing terrible things all the time. Why do I care
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any more about what Russia is doing? They've always kind of been this dictatorship. They're
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imperialistic. Why should I care so much? So like, yeah, why do, why should we care though?
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If it does keep expanding versus like the expansion that we already see happening in China,
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that a lot of the elites here don't seem to care nearly as much about. Why does Russia matter more?
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Yeah. Well, you know, it's pretty easy to, I, so I will say that I don't think that,
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I don't think that Russia will go that hard and push out to all these different, I don't,
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I don't believe that will happen. I think that some kind of deterrent should happen as far as
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encouraging Europe to, uh, provide more militarily, um, and us doing some kind of targeted sanctions,
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you know, just to, so that we're kind of playing with the team and so that we can still be a part of
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the team if it escalates even further. But I don't think Russia will do that. I think if,
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to understand one of the big problems with, uh, the foreign policy elite, like I, I just call them
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that cause it sounds more of like a slander because I don't think any of them really know
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what they're doing, but to really, um, kind of see how they're getting most things wrong,
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especially with like China and Russia. Okay. Let's look at China. Like, why is China pushing
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out to like places like Taiwan? Um, all that. Is it just because of the nationalism they talk about
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the one China? No, no. It always take that stuff and throw it out the window unless you actually do
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have a madman, you know, like a Hitler or something like that. But I don't think Xi Jinping's a madman.
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I don't think Vladimir Putin's a madman. I think they're looking at geopolitics, but the easiest
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way to do this is look at the country that you don't understand. Look at it, look at it from the
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map, how you've always looked at it, then flip it as if you're in China. So flip the map completely
00:29:30.100
around and then look out at the South China Sea. What do you see? A U.S. base here, a U.S. base here,
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U.S. base there, U.S. ally, U.S. ally, U.S. ally, U.S. ally. They feel closed in. So what they're doing
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is they're creating depth, they're creating space. Because if something did happen one day,
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in China's case, the United States and all its allies could blockade and choke them off.
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That drives China's policy. That's why they're always so concerned. When you hear it from our
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perspective or any other country's perspective, they're being authoritarian, which they are,
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or they're military spreading out and it's a danger. To us, it looks that way. To them,
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they're just securing their own interests. When you look at Russia, it's the exact same way.
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Flip the map, look and see what you got. When you flip the map, you see your capital, Moscow,
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is not too far from Ukraine. If Ukraine ever became in NATO, you could just lob a couple missiles
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directly at Moscow. That's always, historically, that's always been Russia's main fear. And for good
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reason, because they've been invaded multiple times throughout history, straight through Poland,
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places like Ukraine, right there to Moscow. That's why they actually had to move their capital from
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St. Petersburg to Moscow, just to give them a little bit more depth. Interesting.
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But that drives all of their foreign policy, getting more and more space. That's why Ukraine
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And is that behind a lot of their efforts to divide and deteriorate the West through propaganda,
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even just like social media and how they infiltrate our political conversations. I mean, I think we
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even saw in the Olympics that we have several members of the media who are basically mouthpieces
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for the Chinese Communist Party. They're certainly apologists. And that's, I guess, what I don't
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understand, because China and Russia have kind of allied. Like China has come out and they've said
00:31:24.260
that they supported Putin. I think they came together after the Afghanistan debacle and they met, I think,
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with the new government in Afghanistan. Why is it that the foreign policy elites, the media elites in the
00:31:42.300
United States, they seem to apologize for, defend China, ignore China's imperialistic tendencies. I mean, there was
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hardly a peep after Hong Kong fell. China's been colonizing countries in Africa and South America
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for a very long time. All of the, you know, the media and the foreign policy officials that really
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have nothing to say about that are saying Russia is the biggest deal ever. Like, I don't understand
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why is it only Russia that matters to them? Why not China too? Is it because they're lining their
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That's exactly the reason why. Money, money, money. Ever since China got into the WTO and, you know,
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opened up, you know, they had, you know, how many, is it 2 billion people they have in that country?
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They saw that as a huge cash cow. That's what it's all about. Media companies, you know,
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anything from shoe companies like Nike or the NBA, they see it as a vast, you know, market that they
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can get into. It also, it exposes their hypocrisy, right? I mean, how can you be, you know, such a big
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activist on kids in cages on the border, but not care about the concentration camps that are going
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on? You know, you know, they talk about Trump's Muslim ban, which it wasn't a Muslim ban. Talk
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about that, you know, with such passion, but not care about them getting euthanized or forcibly
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Yeah. I mean, it shows that they're just full of crap, basically.
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And it's not that you have to care about what's going on in other countries just as much as you
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have to care on your own. But if you are actively profiting off of that in another country,
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that does show your hypocrisy there. Mulan was filmed. Like, I am pretty sure it was filmed in
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Beijing in China by Disney. And so, and they're always the first to say that they care about the
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marginalized in America. So that absolutely shows their hypocrisy. I also think for like
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the average person who's not necessarily the average leftist, who's not necessarily profiting
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from the CCP. I think there's some like intersectionality that comes with it, that
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people now just in their shallow understanding of politics, just associate Putin with Trump and
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they're all white and they don't think that they can criticize a non-white country or non-white
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people. If you think of all white people as oppressors and non-white people as the oppressed,
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you feel like you can't criticize China because they're brown. So I think that's part of the
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ignorance and the moral relativism that we see applied there.
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Yeah. And I think that, and look at it from getting away from corporations, but like the
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government, I always think that our government will be more critical of Russia because they view
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it as kind of like a kleptocracy. You know, we talked about, you know, after the Cold War,
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how, you know, oligarchs kind of came out of nowhere and they started gobbling things up. A lot of
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those oligarchs were former government people within the Soviet Union or, you know, KGB members,
00:34:29.440
people like that. They just swooped in and stole everything. Um, so that's basically what the
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Russian government is. It's a kleptocracy. The Chinese government is actually something that I
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think they aspire to. Um, Justin Trudeau said 2013, he admires China because of their basic
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dictatorship. They can turn their economy on a dime. And I don't want to do it, but who always
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headlines the WF conference? I know. She, like every year he's like the first speaker
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to talk. Yeah. Um, but it's exactly what they want. They want a, uh, a government that has
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an office inside every corporation. And if they want to turn the spigot off or turn it
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up in some of these countries, you can't produce that. Or we want you to produce this. Or hey,
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Spotify, why don't you go ahead and take that Joe Rogan podcast down. Exactly. Yep. That's,
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that is the government they really want. Yeah. And that's what Canada wants too. And that's
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exactly what they're, what they're invoking right now. And it's always, by the way, people,
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because when you bring this up to people on, who are on Trudeau's side, they always say,
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well, it's for safety. Yeah. Totalitarianism is always for safety. It's always for protection.
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It's always for our own good. Um, I mean, it's just, it's insane to me how people don't see that.
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And you just the irony of someone like Justin Trudeau, as I said, saying that they care,
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he cares about democracy. That's so that's why he is going to, you know, punish Russia when he is
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doing the opposite in his own country. There's also an irony and a hypocrisy that makes me
00:35:56.140
skeptical about the passion of our elites about what's happening in Russia, Ukraine. And a lot of
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people have brought this up, but you hear all this rhetoric that every country, um, it has a right
00:36:06.400
to their own sovereignty, has a right to their own self-determination, has a right to their own
00:36:10.260
borders. Why not America? Why is America the only country that according to the left doesn't have
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that right? Why don't we have a right to enforce our border law? Why don't we have a right to
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sovereignty? Why can't we be a self-determining nation with collective values and with the shared
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foundation? Um, they don't believe that when it comes to America, but they believe that about this
00:36:31.240
random Eastern European country. Like I don't understand the motivations behind that.
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Yeah. Oh yeah. There's a typical left way of thinking. I think they're always chasing,
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you know, feelings and they're always chasing what, you know, will make them look morally
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superior in the, in, in the overall argument. Um, it's all lies because they don't really care,
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but like our border, they framed it in a way, and this is what they do for everything, economics,
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welfare, everything, but they framed it in a way that, you know, the conservatives looking that want
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a strong border are somehow, you know, you know, morally bankrupt because, you know, we'll have
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processing facilities at the border or we won't let certain people come in or whatever that we're
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more, we're morally inferior to them because they're like, Oh no, let them all in. Look at the
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poor faces, you know, blah, blah. They just want a good life. Um, it makes them morally superior.
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Do they actually believe that? No, they don't care. They don't care that they're,
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you know, greenlighting trafficking. Um, they don't care that, um, you know, the, that,
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that Obama was actually the one that was called the deporter in chief. They, they, they, they,
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they quietly dismissed that. They dismissed the fact that he built the cages. No, no, no,
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don't concentrate on that. Just concentrate what we say. You guys are bad. We're good. Um,
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you don't like welfare. Um, you know, but look, look how great it is. We care about the little guy.
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Do you really? Because the war on poverty, uh, Johnson's war on poverty was probably one of the
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most catastrophic things. I mean, I think it's worse than LBJ or I'm sorry. I think it's worse
00:38:03.220
than Woodrow Wilson. I think it's worse than FDR. Um, it incentivizes families to break up.
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Yeah. It incentivizes them to stay where they're at, to split their families apart and continue to
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take the checks and look what that has done to an entire, all, all the families from the,
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from the 1960s up until now, look what that has done. It's been catastrophic,
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but we are considered morally inferior because we say we have a different way.
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Yeah. It's absolutely insane, but it goes to international politics or geopolitics as well.
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They're like, are you kidding us? Like, you know, we should run in and save Ukraine,
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you know, send in. I mean, if it came to, if they thought that they could get away with sending
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troops and then they would have American, you know, uh, social contract to do that,
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they probably would because they could say, look, we're going there for their own benefit
00:38:48.580
to save them. So do you think that that's a possibility? Do you think there will be American
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casualties because of this or will it not come to that? I don't know. I think that they'll avoid
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that like the plague. Yeah. So the troops that have gone, have gone to neighboring NATO countries.
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And I think it's been largely symbolic. A thousand troops to, you know, Lithuania or something like
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that is not going to do anything to 2000 Russian troops and all the, you know, military equipment
00:39:14.260
that they have. Um, so it's symbolic. I don't think that they'll go beyond sanctions.
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I guess now the question is, you know, what could happen? Um, you know, Russia has already been
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complicit in the downing of that, you know, commercial airliner in Ukraine back in 2014.
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Um, something like that could happen if you have, you know, a Russian air defense system kickoff
00:39:36.220
and there is a U S plane patrolling and let's say Poland and it's an accident. What happens then?
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So when you have all of these military assets kind of hovering in the area, it ups the risk that some
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kind of mistake could happen. And that's when things get hairy. And that's why these things are
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so dangerous, you know, for them to kick off. Um, other things that could happen and people should
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really look at this. Um, I was just reading an article that, uh, the Biden administration was
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looking to wrap up the Iran deal to combat the rising gas prices. So their justification is we'll
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relieve the sanctions on Iran, you know, as part of this deal, and they'll let the spigot go on,
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you know, their, you know, their oil and that'll help drive the prices down. If the Ukraine thing
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starts getting too crazy. So rather than, so now we're again, not relying on the United States
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and we're not relying on Russia anymore. We're relying on Iran for their oil. So obviously it
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doesn't like the whole pipeline thing doesn't have to do with climate change. As far as I know,
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they're not more ecologically friendly in the Middle East or in Russia than we are. What do you,
00:40:47.320
what's the motivation, if you could guess behind turning us from energy independent, which we were
00:40:53.180
under Donald Trump to energy dependent on some of the worst, most brutal regimes in the world,
00:40:58.460
what could possibly be the benefit of that? To pretend that the climate agenda is actually about
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the climate. Yeah. That's all it is. It has nothing to do with it. Again, they don't care about the
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immigrants at the border. They don't care about the climate. I don't care how there, there's a small
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minority that are passionate about the climate. They're the ones that got scared over the past,
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since I was a kid, since they were talking about the ozone layer. Yeah. There were commercials about
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the ozone layer when I was a kid, um, you know, back in the eighties, they were like, Oh my gosh,
00:41:28.520
like all the movies were talking about the ozone layer disappearing. I don't think it did. And I
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haven't heard about the ozone layer since probably like 89 or something like that. Um, but the people
00:41:37.380
that grew up on that and actually got scared about it, they're the, they're the small minority that
00:41:41.200
are actually the ones that believe it. Yeah. All the others see a road to great reset style
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politics that's coming. And I guess, I guess that's what's behind it is that in order for
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the great reset to be, to be successful and people can go back and listen to our several episodes on
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that, then you really, you do need a weak United States and certainly any form of nationalism and
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independence is kind of an impediment to what they see is like this global governing strategy,
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the so-called stakeholder capitalism and where property, as you were mentioning with fascism
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kind of becomes, you know, uh, you can have personal property, but maybe not private property.
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All of that really is dependent upon changing, um, America's understanding of like property rights,
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our rights in general, the bill of rights and taking control out of our hands. And I don't know,
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and putting it into the hands of the government that to me is part of what has been behind the
00:42:46.840
policies that have wrecked our economy and have made us energy dependent. It really is about
00:42:52.060
weakening America. And I saw this montage the other day of all of these world leaders using the phrase
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build back better. It just made me think, you know, when people asked, do you think that part of
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all this, how can you think that all of the, this COVID tyranny over the past couple of years was
00:43:09.760
really about like Donald Trump's election or really had to do with America? Well, I don't think it's,
00:43:15.360
it exclusively had to do with America and Donald Trump's election, but I don't really have a hard
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time believing that it had a lot to do with getting Donald Trump out of office and making him as
00:43:26.440
unpopular as possible. When you've got Joe Biden and every world economic leader saying build back
00:43:31.620
better, there's a global strategy with a shared goal. And I think part of that is the deterioration
00:43:37.460
in the weakening of the United States. I completely agree. And I think it's hilarious.
00:43:41.340
When we first started pointing out great reset stuff, you know, everyone started calling it a
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conspiracy theory. Of course. And then things like that. It sounds like it though. It really does.
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I mean, it is a conspiracy. It's just not a theory. Yeah. You know, it's a fact. Yeah. And I mean,
00:43:55.060
yeah, they would, they call us a conspiracy. They were saying it was a global plan. And then things
00:43:58.600
like that came out and you're like, wait, well, so why is Boris Johnson saying build back better?
00:44:02.400
Yeah. Why is the prime minister of New Zealand saying build back better? Like why are all these people
00:44:06.120
saying build back better? Why is it on the Great Reef, the World Economic Forum's website?
00:44:10.660
Like, okay, we can't call them that anymore. And then I remember we were like, yeah, you know,
00:44:14.320
you got to look in, you know, how infiltrated some of these governments are with World Economic
00:44:17.780
Forum people. They were like, oh, you're a conspiracy theorist. See, we told you. Now, did you see that,
00:44:22.300
you know, thing from Klaus Schwab where he was talking about Trudeau and he said that they
00:44:28.060
penetrate cabinets and he said all the young people in Trudeau's cabinet are World Economic
00:44:32.460
Forum people. Well, that surprised me. There's the one, um,
00:44:36.120
one of what's her name, Kristen or something. That's like his right-hand woman who, gosh,
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I forgot her background, but she's very deep in the World Economic Forum. I mean, there are
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politicians on the right and the left, conservative and liberal in the United States
00:44:52.120
who are seen as World Economic Forum leaders. Klaus Schwab, a lot of people are passing around
00:44:58.400
the new book that he put out and, you know, he basically outlined, he's not scared that people
00:45:03.120
know. He basically outlines his plan for the world and literally one thing that he suggests
00:45:08.660
to fight climate change is blocking out the sun. So, like, these people, I mean, it's crazy.
00:45:17.040
Everything, I mean, this is not hyperbole. Everything that's going on right now, you need
00:45:21.520
to start looking at it through the lens of what they want to accomplish through the Great Reset.
00:45:25.160
Everything. And that also pertains to Russia right now, because, I mean, you know,
00:45:30.920
Rahm Emanuel said, uh, the quote's often misstated. Uh, they always say it was never
00:45:36.660
let a crisis go to waste. What he really said was never let a serious crisis go to waste.
00:45:41.820
Something like COVID. Um, they tried to build climate change. They're still trying to build
00:45:46.160
climate change as a serious crisis. Um, that has failed to work, um, ever since the ozone is serious.
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Why do you think that they're relieving? A lot of places are relieving restrictions.
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If I'm trying to, like, figure out how this fits into the Great Reset, like,
00:45:59.300
why would the UK say, OK, no more restrictions, no more vaccine passports?
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UK did it because Boris Johnson got caught, um, having a party, uh, you know, during, uh,
00:46:08.240
during the supposed lockdown and he was in a political crisis. That's why they're relieving it.
00:46:13.620
Absolutely. Yeah. Um, Biden started, we started changing our tune over here when the polls got really bad.
00:46:19.140
Um, look all over the world from France, Amsterdam, or, uh, the Netherlands, uh, Brussels. There's
00:46:25.080
protests breaking out all over the place. They can't do this anymore. Um, they pushed people as
00:46:29.380
far as they could think that they get away with it and now they don't think they can get away with
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it anymore. But they've doubled down in places like Canada. Yeah. I don't, you know, that's backfiring
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too. I mean, I, I'm, I'm kind of surprised that they're being so firm with it, but I never would
00:46:42.480
have dreamed that Canada would leave the freedom movement, you know, in the Western world, but they are,
00:46:46.780
you know, good on them. Yeah. I can't believe they beat us to the punch on that. And it's kind
00:46:50.300
of depressing, put in jail for it. I mean, but that's going to break out. That's going to continue.
00:46:55.560
So I think either Canada is going to be forced into take, you know, doing something or the
00:47:01.340
government's just going to get voted out. Um, either, either one. So what do you think in all of
00:47:07.340
this? Um, is there a possibility with all this pushback that we're seeing and certainly if war breaks
00:47:14.200
out and it does turn into an actual war and there are even, you know, American casualties,
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and I know you said that's probably not going to happen, but if it does, and you know, we end up in
00:47:24.580
a world war three type situation, I mean, and then, you know, inflation and gas prices continue to
00:47:30.820
happen here in the United States. I mean, people are already so discontent with Joe Biden's
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presidency. There's a large number of people discontent with a lot of the governments in
00:47:40.660
the Western world. Is there hope to stop the great reset plans? Um, is there hope in this pushback
00:47:50.980
and in these protests that we're seeing? Are you optimistic at all?
00:47:55.780
I am optimistic. I, I'm, I'm, uh, it's kind of scary that people like Klaus Schwab will say what I
00:48:02.160
just, what I said earlier, something out loud, how they publish this stuff freely. Now they used to
00:48:06.900
just talk about this in private, you know, boardrooms. Now they just say it and then publish
00:48:11.180
it out in the open because they don't care because that's how far the plan has gotten.
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So that's kind of scary. There's some things that still need to happen that we need to be on the
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lookout for. And we need to mobilize like the Canadian truckers did to show that we're not
00:48:24.360
going to stand by. And, but that gives me hope things like Canada gives me hope that, uh, people
00:48:29.400
are not, and it's, it's talked about so much. You've been talking about it. A lot of people have been
00:48:33.260
talking about it. It's more out in the open and people are seeing this is not a conspiracy.
00:48:36.580
It's actually happening, but there are some things like, so they're looking for another
00:48:40.740
serious crisis. Um, this is one thing to look for. They could say, let's say prices get out of
00:48:46.920
control because of inflation and what's happening with the Russia, Ukraine thing. Let's say gas prices
00:48:51.380
go insane. Um, they're looking for a reason to go to a digital currency. They're absolutely looking
00:48:56.740
for that reason. And that should scare the crap out of a lot of people because there's a thing right
00:49:01.220
now. Everyone should look this up called project Hamilton. Um, that's interesting because he was the
00:49:06.440
first one that, you know, talked about a central bank, right? Um, digital currencies were for
00:49:11.300
decentralization. They're going the exact opposite direction with theirs. They're not going to use
00:49:15.460
blockchain. You can read this on, on their website. They released a full white paper on it. Um,
00:49:19.540
they're working with the fed to get this done. Who? Um, uh, it's, uh, I think it's MIT, MIT, MIT and the
00:49:27.820
Boston fed are the ones that have partnered to do this, but project Hamilton. And they stay out in the
00:49:32.860
open. It's not for, they're not going to use blockchain technology. Blockchain technology means
00:49:37.660
that you're, um, all your transactions are private. Um, they can't spy on what you're buying.
00:49:44.460
Um, there's like a ledger that kind of guarantees, uh, that, uh, they can track all the, all the,
00:49:51.660
you know, um, purchases and stuff that take place, but they can't tell what you spend it for,
00:49:56.600
or they can't even tell who spent, spent the money. They're not using that, which means they don't
00:50:01.740
want a ledger of what they are, what they're doing. They want it to all be private. They don't
00:50:05.780
want us to know what they're doing with our money. Plus they can tell every, who bought what and all
00:50:12.540
the different people that are buying stuff. Um, that means the end of privacy. Yeah. That's it.
00:50:17.640
Scare everyone. Did you see, did you watch the Joe Rogan podcast a couple of days ago with that
00:50:21.160
one dude that's talked about it? I haven't gotten around to it yet, but everyone's been telling me
00:50:24.920
to this. My brother sent it to me. I was like, this is fascinating. Oh my gosh. He broke that,
00:50:29.180
his guest broke it down perfectly. And he showed a, an article from the Telegraph.
00:50:32.700
So all, all, all, all the, all the governments in the world that are in on Davos and the great
00:50:37.020
reset, they're all wanting to do this, but they, their government actually said, look,
00:50:41.160
we want the, our digital currency. When we do it, we want, we want it to be programmable.
00:50:44.580
So what he meant by the, what he meant by that was they want to be able to, let's say,
00:50:49.460
let's say they get to a point where they're like, you know what? We only want people to buy
00:50:52.320
things that are essential food, stuff like that. Yeah. Definitely can't buy guns.
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Don't buy guns. Exactly. That's a big one. Um, we don't want them buying anything that we deem
00:51:00.400
frivolous or let's say bad to the climate or whatever. So we're going to cut off all purchases
00:51:05.380
on things like that. That's what the UK government wants to be in their digital currency.
00:51:10.540
Think about it. Not just like, they're not just restricting items. It's going to become so much
00:51:15.540
easier for the government to do what Trudeau is doing by telling the banks, Hey, freeze these,
00:51:21.180
freeze all of these assets, freeze this money in these bank accounts. Well,
00:51:24.260
the government can skip that step and just do it themselves and just say, um, you can't buy
00:51:29.700
anything unless, you know, your social credit score is up, unless you stop speaking about these
00:51:34.500
things. Um, I mean, there's all kinds of incentives. We're not going to, uh, pay for you to have a
00:51:40.700
third child. There's all kinds of things. The government can say, this is what we want.
00:51:44.280
These are the kinds of people that we are going to allow to buy and sell in society and restrict
00:51:49.640
however they want to using that kind of centralized programmable digital currency, right?
00:51:55.580
Exactly. You call it social credit. That's exactly what it is. Only they'll call it ESG
00:51:58.980
standards over here. ESG. Oh, you got a low ESG, uh, score. Yeah. We're cutting off your
00:52:05.140
What's they're already doing to corporations, by the way.
00:52:07.200
That already, and you say it's not a conspiracy. It's already happening.
00:52:10.240
Yeah. It's out in the open. So, I mean, how in the world would we even push back against that?
00:52:18.300
I mean, once it's done, it's pretty much done. But I mean, I, I, you said you were optimistic.
00:52:25.760
Who do I work for? How much optimism do I really have?
00:52:28.400
That's true. Hey, this is relatable though. You don't see a chalkboard behind me. We like a little
00:52:33.200
bit of optimism. So I guess you're just saying we have to keep talking about it and pushing back
00:52:38.600
against this. I also feel like localization is a one, is one great way relying on each other.
00:52:44.120
All of the things that the government has tried desperately to take from us over the past, uh,
00:52:49.980
over the past couple years is community, relying on your church, relying on your family, relying on
00:52:56.540
your friends and your neighborhoods and coming together. I mean, it's almost like we're going
00:53:01.840
back a hundred years in some ways, but relying on each other for the things, um, for the things
00:53:08.720
Yeah. They're pushing basically radical globalism, um, controlled by, you know, a select few
00:53:14.700
governments basically that hold most of the cards. Um, we need to look in the opposite direction.
00:53:19.000
We need to go, you mentioned localization, radical localization. Um, I've switched, I've taken all my
00:53:24.560
money out of one of the big banks that one of the fed banks. Um, I took an, all my money out of
00:53:29.540
there and I put it in a local bank. Um, any bank that is kind of cut off from that fed system
00:53:34.640
where they will have the power to manipulate your money or pull a Justin Trudeau, you know, freeze
00:53:39.900
assets, get your money as far away from that as you can. So local banks that aren't connected to that
00:53:45.220
system. Um, I was going to say Bitcoin, I've invested in Bitcoin, but I think they're going to be on the
00:53:52.060
chalk and block too. I mean, if the fed creates a fed coin, a digital dollar, um, they're going to want to
00:53:58.060
hold the monopoly on, on digital currency. So the government does. And what did China do? China
00:54:02.300
banned Bitcoin. Yeah. So that's the model. Yeah. That's, that's the logical next step for them to
00:54:07.800
try and do that as well. Yeah. And while voting matters, I mean, I know that voting is everything.
00:54:12.580
There are plenty of Republicans that are corrupt as well, but I mean, elections do matter. Like if we,
00:54:20.960
America can still lead the charge against this stuff. We, they can still be the one to push back.
00:54:26.180
I mean, I have to say, knowing everything that we know about the great reset, it's hard to even like
00:54:30.920
hope for the integrity of our elections. Just even if it's in the sense of like, okay, a media
00:54:36.560
orchestrated corporation orchestrated effort against the Republican candidate, that's still a way of
00:54:41.940
rigging the election, which does worry me. But I mean, it's the only, you know, we have to do it.
00:54:48.260
We have to push. Yeah. And the left is not used to us pushing back like that. Yeah. Um, I just read a
00:54:53.740
great article from, uh, Glenn Greenwald on his sub stack. And, um, he was talking about how the
00:54:59.060
system, you know, for years has been gearing up to this to where they can silence all dissent by brutal
00:55:05.640
means of possible, like the emergency act in Canada. Um, that means that we're starting to
00:55:11.560
scare them a little bit. Um, when we can, when Canadians can mobilize something of that magnitude
00:55:17.120
to push back on, you know, you know, leftist overreach, that's scary to them. When the January
00:55:23.500
6th thing happened, that scared the crap out of them because they're like, Oh my gosh, we knew that
00:55:28.240
Donald Trump had a lot of supporters, but we didn't know they were actually going to, you know,
00:55:32.760
rise to the occasion like we've been doing, you know, over the past few years to actually mobilize
00:55:36.780
and come together and let their voices be heard. They're not used to that. Same thing happened with
00:55:40.820
a tea party. Which I'm not, I don't know that the means that were used on January 6th by a lot of
00:55:45.860
people were the best means to, to put it mildly. No, no, no, no. But I mean, but I would say that
00:55:53.080
the, the vast majority of the people that showed up at the January 6th thing had no intention at all
00:55:58.060
of breaking the law. And they didn't. A lot of them, I mean, were just there to hear president
00:56:03.480
Trump speak. And then there were other people that were absolute idiots and did what they did.
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I was in DC probably two weeks before that. Um, I went with my boss to a meeting up there and
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they had another rally and it was all over the place. Like Washington DC was shut down. There
00:56:18.520
was Trump supporters everywhere. And it felt so cool because again, I had that feeling of I'm not
00:56:23.540
used to this. I'm not used to so many people on the right side of the spectrum showing up in support
00:56:29.120
of something like this. I saw it. I saw it with the tea party. And that was, again, that was another
00:56:32.860
thing that completely changed everything for the left. It reoriented the way that they went about
00:56:38.020
attacking us, you know, you know, the way that they operate in general, but they're not used to
00:56:43.560
that. That's why as Greenwald pointed out, it's so important that we recognize what they're doing
00:56:48.420
now in places like Canada. Um, the January 6th commission, um, they're trying to specifically go
00:56:54.340
after silencing dissent. That's the shift now. It's such a radical change because they used to be
00:56:59.560
all about dissent, right? Like the sixties, the hippies, they still see themselves as that they
00:57:03.880
still see themselves as the resistance. You know, it's just insane. Like, like anonymous is
00:57:08.800
another example. Anonymous, the hacker group. Um, they were to, they were all about supporting
00:57:14.060
dissenters, right? They were the ultimate dissenters. Um, now you had that co-founder of
00:57:19.320
anonymous that's doxing people, dissenters in Canada. Yeah. It's a complete just flip flop.
00:57:25.480
It's a complete shift. They're part of the regime. They're bootlickers. The very people that
00:57:29.640
call themselves anti-fascists are the fascists. And it's clever. I mean, it has been the trick
00:57:35.480
and the mode of operation of totalitarians really since the beginning of time, but definitely in the
00:57:41.700
20th century. And I just say, like I said the other day, if you want to know, like all people love to
00:57:47.460
fantasize looking back at the 20th century and saying, you know, if I had been in Italy or Soviet
00:57:52.220
Russia or Cambodia, like I would have been on the right side. I would have stood against those
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totalitarians and the oppression. Well, where are you right now? Like, where do you stand right now?
00:58:01.060
When you look at what's happening in Canada, where do you stand? That tells you exactly where you would
00:58:06.100
have stood 100 years ago. It's no different. We haven't gotten to the same place yet where a lot
00:58:10.900
of those countries did in the 20th century, but it doesn't happen all at once. Yeah. And if we don't
00:58:15.460
continue to stand, it will get that bad. It will. So, but that's, I guess the source of my hope
00:58:20.800
going forward is that that is starting to happen. And I think that, I think that people are to that
00:58:26.240
breaking point. I think that the left pushed too hard, especially with COVID. And I think that they've,
00:58:30.900
that's kind of run, people have hit their limit. And as long as people keep standing up, you know,
00:58:36.300
peacefully with, you know, you know, in the vein of Martin Luther King, I think that we've got a good
00:58:42.640
shot. Yeah. And Republicans in office, you need to kind of retabulate, recalculate and actually push
00:58:53.340
for what your constituents want. Like we just don't need the like tax cuts only party anymore.
00:59:00.480
Like we need fighters who are going to fight for the things that the people who voted for you want
00:59:05.300
to fight for. Um, and so let's hope that that happens. Thank goodness that Jesus is coming back one
00:59:11.540
day. This is crazy, crazy. That's where my hope is. Even if all of this political stuff
00:59:16.380
doesn't work out. All right, Jason, thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate it.
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