Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 574 ｜ The Truth About Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' Bill & Texas' 'Attack on Trans Kids'

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00:00:17.020 All right, today we are going to talk about this Protect Trans Kids reaction that's going on in

00:00:36.820 Texas because of letters that were written by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton, as well as

00:00:43.600 Governor Greg Abbott directing the Department of Family Services to investigate families

00:00:49.200 that are allowing their child to go through transition through chemical castration and

00:00:58.200 hormone therapy and different procedures. There has been a big backlash. Protect Trans Kids has

00:01:06.040 been kind of the hashtag or the phrase used by people who are saying that this is terrible,

00:01:12.440 this is unconstitutional, this is Nazi like we are even seeing people say. So we are going to

00:01:20.400 examine those claims. We are going to look at what these letters actually say and what they mean

00:01:26.080 and if there is any validity to either side of this. And then we are going to bust the propaganda

00:01:32.880 about Florida's don't say gay bill. Obviously that's not the real name, but that's what its

00:01:39.000 opponents have dubbed it. And we are going to look at that four page bill and we are going to look at

00:01:44.960 what it actually says versus what people are saying that it says. Now, before we get into that, I do want

00:01:51.880 to say President Biden is giving his State of the Union tonight and we can expect him to, as all presidents

00:02:00.640 do, to be fair, to paint his presidency in a very positive light. That certainly is not something that is

00:02:06.740 unique to Democrat presidents. He will probably say a lot of things that Republicans, that conservatives

00:02:14.280 will say are misrepresentation or a lie. And of course, the other side did the same thing when

00:02:20.920 Trump was giving the State of the Union and conservatives thought that his speech was great.

00:02:26.380 Democrats will probably think that Joe Biden's speech is great and all of the conservatives are going to

00:02:33.100 be laughing over here because objectively Joe Biden's presidency is not going well. That's why he has

00:02:39.240 such a low approval rating. But tonight will be an opportunity for him to try to do some PR for the

00:02:49.800 accomplishments or the alleged accomplishments that he believes they have achieved over the past year or

00:03:00.640 so. And so we will hear from him on that. There is also a chance that he will say basically that

00:03:06.880 COVID is gone, at least for now, that the restrictions can be removed. You probably heard that the rule for

00:03:14.740 mask wearing in Congress went away yesterday, the day before the State of the Union. That is, again,

00:03:22.040 for PR purposes, that is to try to better lighten the mood of the American people and not make this

00:03:31.860 State of the Union look so dystopian. Try to put Joe Biden at the center of normalcy, to basically try to

00:03:40.400 accompany Joe Biden's presidency with the defeat of COVID. But really what it should show you in all of the

00:03:47.560 restrictions that we are seeing for strictly political purposes across the country right now

00:03:52.140 should show you that this has never been about the science. The science really hasn't changed.

00:03:56.560 The numbers are still pretty gruesome if you're looking at that. But they're removing these

00:04:02.140 restrictions in places like New York and California in Congress because the Democrat poll numbers are in

00:04:08.820 the tank and people on both sides of the aisle are tired of these restrictions. That should make you

00:04:13.580 very angry that people have suffered under these restrictions, especially children for the past

00:04:18.540 two years. And because the politics are changing, now those restrictions go away. So it really was

00:04:25.020 never based on science or safety, was it? Especially, especially for the children, as we've talked about

00:04:30.200 many times. So don't be gaslit into thinking that this, these past two years have been anything but a

00:04:41.040 political, rhetorical game that has ruined people's lives, that has hurt people's livelihoods.

00:04:48.600 Don't forget about everything that happened, even though Democrats are going to try as hard as they

00:04:52.580 can to make you forget. And certainly Joe Biden is going to do some more of that tonight.

00:04:58.600 So we will probably not talk about that tomorrow. We're going to wait until Thursday to talk about

00:05:03.880 that. And the reason is because I promised you guys that I would do a theological episode tomorrow.

00:05:08.360 And so I will keep my promise and do that. And then Thursday, we're going to analyze

00:05:12.680 some of this stuff and also talk again, just the latest and what's going on in Ukraine versus Russia.

00:05:18.660 We'll be talking to Victor Davis Hanson, who I know is one of your favorite guests,

00:05:23.120 mine too. So stay tuned for that. So just wanted to make a note on that. Definitely tune in to the

00:05:28.940 State of the Union tonight. I'll be watching it. I'll probably be giving commentary on Instagram as I do.

00:05:35.380 All right, let's talk about this. So Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton wrote a legal opinion about

00:05:42.000 gender reassignment procedures in children. It was published on February 18th, and it was a response

00:05:48.680 to Republican State Representative Matt Krause's letter to him asking whether these procedures

00:05:54.540 should or do constitute as child abuse under Texas law. So Paxton in this letter argued that, yes,

00:06:02.140 these procedures do count as child abuse. It is a 13-page letter. It's very long. It's a little

00:06:07.960 bit complicated because there's a lot of legal ease. He argues that, well, really, his argument set up

00:06:14.620 Abbott to say that the Department of Family Services should be investigating these cases.

00:06:20.160 Like all cases of abuse, reporting of this kind of abuse should be reported by doctors, nurses,

00:06:25.080 and teachers. That's what Abbott ended up saying. So here are a few parts of Paxton's letter,

00:06:29.920 which we will link in the description. I want you to read it for yourself. I always do. Don't just

00:06:35.600 take my word for it. Read these things on your own so that you are fully equipped to have conversations

00:06:41.000 about this controversial issue. So one part of the letter says this, quote, certain procedures done

00:06:46.980 on minors, such as castration, fabrication of a, quote, penis using tissue from other body parts,

00:06:53.660 fabrication of a, quote, vagina involving the removal of male sex organs, prescription of puberty

00:06:59.040 suppressors and infertility inducers and the like are all abuse under section 261.001 of the Texas

00:07:07.740 Family Code. So he supports his argument for this and by citing scientific literature about the

00:07:16.960 implications of these kinds of procedures. So he says, it is important to note that it remains

00:07:24.100 medically impossible to truly change the sex of an individual because this is determined

00:07:28.900 biologically at conception. True. No doctor can replace a fully functioning male sex organ with a 0.64

00:07:35.460 fully functioning female sex organ or vice versa. True. That there's that is completely incontrovertible. 1.00

00:07:41.580 That is inarguable. In reality, the letter goes on. These, quote, sex change procedures seek to destroy

00:07:47.600 a fully functioning sex organ in order to cosmetically create the illusion of a sex change.

00:07:53.340 It's exactly right. The letter goes on. Beyond the obvious harm of permanently sterilizing a child,

00:08:00.380 these procedures and treatments can cause side effects and harms beyond permanent infertility,

00:08:04.860 including serious mental health effects, venous thrombosis, thromboembolism, increased risk of

00:08:11.100 cardiovascular disease, weight gain, decreased libido, hyperglyceridemia, doing my best, elevated

00:08:20.780 blood pressure, decreased glucose tolerance, gallbladder disease, benign pituitary prolactinoma,

00:08:27.400 lowered and elevated triglycerides, increased homocysteine levels, hepatotoxicity, polycythemia,

00:08:37.320 sleep apnea, insulin resistance, chronic pelvic pain, and increased cancer and stroke risk.

00:08:45.160 The letter goes on to say the United States Supreme Court recognizes that the right to procreate is a

00:08:51.200 fundamental right under the 14th Amendment. See Skinner v. Oklahoma. Almost a century ago, this is

00:08:57.340 1942, almost a century ago, the court explained the unique concern sterilization poses respecting this

00:09:04.060 fundamental right. And now he is quoting this case, quote, the power to sterilize if exercised may

00:09:10.280 have subtle, far-reaching, and devastating effects. In evil or reckless hands, it can cause races or

00:09:15.220 types which are inimical to the dominant group to wither and disappear. There is no redemption for the

00:09:22.160 individual whom the law touches. Any experiment with which the state conducts is to his irreparable

00:09:27.780 injury. He is forever deprived of a basic liberty. And so basically, he is saying that this kind of

00:09:35.140 procedure that results in the potential sterilization of the child, of the minor, that is undergoing

00:09:42.620 this procedure is depriving that child of basic liberty, the basic right to be able to one day

00:09:48.300 procreate. The letter goes on. The Texas Family Code is clear. Causing or permitting substantial harm

00:09:54.760 to the child or the child's growth and development is child abuse. Courts have held that an unnecessary

00:10:00.000 surgical procedure that removes a healthy body part from a child can constitute a real and significant

00:10:06.080 injury or damage to the child. And this seems absolutely logical. If your child said, look, I no longer

00:10:12.020 want my foot. I just don't want this foot. I don't think that it should be a part of my body. And I would

00:10:18.700 rather identify as someone without one foot. And you took them to the doctor and that doctor

00:10:23.180 sawed off that foot for no other reason except for the child wanted it and kept on insisting that

00:10:28.680 that they wanted it. That would make you that that would mean that that was a really bad and abusive

00:10:33.900 parenting decision. And that would make that doctor a really bad doctor. And anyone who affirmed that

00:10:39.580 choice would be at least complicit in if not guilty of abuse. So why is that different if a 15 year old

00:10:47.140 boy wants to remove his testicles because he says he's a girl? I'm not saying that gender dysphoria 0.99

00:10:52.300 and someone saying that they want to remove their foot is exactly the same. I'm trying to argue

00:10:56.840 that in what other case would you say removing a healthy body part from a child is part of health

00:11:02.520 care or affirmation? You wouldn't. Now, there is much more to Attorney General Paxton's letter. It is

00:11:10.740 very thorough. In my opinion, it is very thoughtful and it is logical. Again, no matter what side of the

00:11:16.100 issue you're on, I really encourage you to read it for yourself and look at the citations. He's not just

00:11:21.160 saying in my personal opinion. This is what I think these procedures could cause in this child. Here's

00:11:28.020 what I think these consequences are. He is citing medical data, medical studies, scientific studies.

00:11:34.500 So go read them on your own if you don't like what he said in his letter. Now, Governor Abbott also

00:11:41.200 confirmed that he is on board with the letter. He wrote a letter to the Commissioner of the Texas

00:11:44.900 Department of Family and Protective Services saying as much. So in Abbott's letter, he says

00:11:53.720 this. The office of the Attorney General has now confirmed in the enclosed opinion that a number of

00:11:58.120 so-called sex change procedures constitute child abuse under existing Texas law. Because the Texas

00:12:03.080 Department of Family and Protective Services is responsible for protecting children from abuse,

00:12:07.140 I hereby direct your agency to conduct a prompt and thorough investigation of any reported instances

00:12:11.820 of these abusive procedures in the state of Texas. Texas law imposes reporting requirements upon all

00:12:17.320 licensed professionals who have direct contact with children who may be subject to such abuse,

00:12:21.560 including doctors, nurses, and teachers, and provides criminal penalties for failure to report

00:12:26.280 such child abuse. Texas law also imposes a duty on DFPS to investigate the parents of a child who is

00:12:33.420 subjected to these abusive gender transitioning procedures and on other state agencies to investigate

00:12:38.800 licensed facilities where such procedures may occur. So we will link this letter as well. You can read it in

00:12:46.180 totality. So the Department of Family and Protective Services basically said that, okay, we are going to

00:12:59.540 follow the Texas law as explained by the Attorney General. Now, they say that there are no current cases

00:13:08.780 that they are investigating, but that they are going to basically follow these orders. So this was not an

00:13:18.480 executive order or a new law. This was the Attorney General and the Governor clarifying the fact that

00:13:24.900 gender reassignment, so-called, procedures counts as abuse under already existing Texas law and emphasizes

00:13:32.420 the Department of Family Services job to investigate any cases of this happening to a minor. Now, before we

00:13:41.380 look into these claims that Paxton is making, are these procedures abusive? And before we even say whether

00:13:48.320 this is the right move legally, let's read some of the reactions to these letters because as I said at the

00:13:54.480 beginning, a lot of people are upset by this. So the district attorneys in Dallas, Austin, San Antonio,

00:14:01.820 Corpus Christi, and Fort Bend County, that's outside Houston, called the actions of Abbott and Paxton

00:14:08.620 disturbing a continued onslaught on personal freedoms. Of course, they say it's unscientific

00:14:18.000 and all of that. They said, we want to be clear. We will enforce the Constitution and will not

00:14:23.160 irrationally and unjustifiably interfere with medical decisions made between children, their

00:14:28.380 parents, and the medical physicians. We want to reassure our residents with transgender children

00:14:33.540 that they are safe to continue seeking the care their children need. That's a little bit of

00:14:38.400 Orwellian language, though, isn't it? The care that their children need, because that is assuming 0.98

00:14:43.940 that blocking the natural puberty process in, say, an 11-year-old girl is care. The Texas Nursing

00:14:53.700 Association also put out a letter on February 18th disagreeing with this and basically saying

00:15:01.620 that the letters that were put out by Paxton and Abbott do not reflect the policy position of the Texas

00:15:08.660 Nurses Association and says that they advocate for evidence-based, culturally congruent, interesting,

00:15:16.720 health care for transgender and gender diverse youth and their families. And so obviously they

00:15:23.700 are saying that they're not going to go along with these directives. The ACLU, which used to stand for

00:15:30.300 civil liberties, now they are basically just an arm of the Democratic Party and they will advocate for

00:15:35.600 whatever left-wing policy Democrats want, said that Attorney General Paxson's opinion in Governor

00:15:42.380 Abbott's letter have no legal effect, can't change Texas law, and can't override the constitutional rights

00:15:47.740 of Texas families. No court anywhere in the country has ever found that gender-affirming care can be

00:15:53.180 considered child abuse. So what I would say to that is it's true that these letters do not change

00:15:59.800 Texas law. That's not their intent. It's to clarify Texas law and it's to ensure that the proper

00:16:05.400 agencies are carrying out their interpretation of Texas law. And the purpose of Attorney General

00:16:11.760 Paxton's letter was to argue why scientifically this does count as child abuse and should be treated as

00:16:20.760 such. And while it may be true that no court anywhere in the country has ever found that, quote,

00:16:26.740 gender-affirming care can be considered child abuse, there have been cases that have concluded that

00:16:35.300 giving a child a medical procedure that they don't actually need that causes them harm is a form of

00:16:42.260 abuse. And you can read further in Attorney General Paxton's letter about that. He cites those cases.

00:16:49.200 Now, of course, Beto O'Rourke, who says that he is running for the governor of Texas, tweeted this,

00:16:54.960 to every trans kid in Texas. And I have a really hard time with that phrase in general. And we'll

00:17:00.560 get to why trans kid in Texas. He says, you're amazing. I'm proud of you. You belong right here

00:17:05.880 in Texas. And I'll fight for you to live freely as yourself and free from discrimination. Now,

00:17:11.500 of course, I don't believe that kids who are confused about their gender should be treated with

00:17:16.440 any kind of malice or meanness or hatred or anything like that. So if that's what you're saying,

00:17:22.820 then I completely agree with you. I do think that we should treat everyone with kindness,

00:17:27.340 absolutely. But if you are saying that living free from discrimination means that parents have

00:17:33.820 to sign off on castrating their 15-year-old son or removing the healthy breasts of their 15-year-old

00:17:38.600 daughter, I'm not sure in what world that constitutes as loving. And we'll get to all that.

00:17:43.220 Ellen DeGeneres, of course, she needed to weigh in. More than half of trans kids seriously 1.00

00:17:48.240 contemplate suicide. Consider that when you hear the Texas governor wants to label

00:17:52.340 treatment for trans kids as child abuse. Shame on you, Governor Abbott. So that's kind of the 0.94

00:17:57.780 theme of all of this pushback, that this is going to cause transgender kids to commit suicide. Now, 0.99

00:18:03.440 what they're not telling you is the study out of Sweden that looked at the mental health state and

00:18:12.560 the rate of suicide among people who transitioned or tried to transition into a different gender from

00:18:19.300 1973 to 2003. And what it found is that even after transition, the rate of suicide is still extremely

00:18:26.920 high among transgender people, people who identify as the opposite gender. Now, Sweden is a very accepting,

00:18:35.340 very tolerant society. And so it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense to say that, well, it's just

00:18:42.280 because people didn't accept them. It's actually because there are underlying mental health issues

00:18:47.600 when it comes to gender dysphoria that are not being addressed and are not being taken care of

00:18:52.380 because of the political stigma of saying that gender dysphoria could be anything other than a person

00:18:59.960 truly needing to transition into the other sex. Gavin Newsom, governor of California, for some reason,

00:19:06.320 he feels the need to weigh in on this. Trans kids and their families should be celebrated.

00:19:10.580 This is actually a sadly hilarious tweet, not targeted by the state. They are heroes.

00:19:14.960 This order is a direct assault on their well-being to fearful families in Texas right now. California's

00:19:19.760 door is always open to you. He wants your tax money because everyone's leaving California to go to

00:19:25.360 Texas. And so he's like, oh, if you've got a transgender kid and you want to put them on 1.00

00:19:29.000 puberty blockers, we're here. We're over here in California. Just it's fine. The cost of living is

00:19:36.020 going to like quadruple when you live here and you're going to have to step over dirty needles and

00:19:42.860 defecation on your way to the bus stop every morning. But you can castrate your 15-year-old 0.99

00:19:48.220 son. Yay, says Gavin Newsom. So that's his marketing pitch, I guess, for California.

00:19:55.000 And Jen Hatmaker posted on Instagram. I won't read the whole long thing. Now, Jen Hatmaker,

00:20:01.780 if you don't know, she's the woman, she calls herself like a Christian teacher, Christian author,

00:20:05.460 and she has been increasingly liberal over the past seven years and has fundamentally rejected

00:20:10.920 just the basic tenets of Christianity, including Genesis 1. So she posted a picture that I think

00:20:21.180 said protects trans kids. And she said, in summation, Abbott has targeted one of the most vulnerable

00:20:28.300 communities for harassment, prosecution. I think she meant persecution, terror, and more violence. He

00:20:33.900 deployed every citizen as investigators and destroyed every safe place. That's not true. I'm

00:20:39.260 very confused about that. He deployed every citizen as investigators, no, and destroyed every safe

00:20:44.200 place. Kids will die because of this. Let me tell you who is not dangerous, but certainly in danger,

00:20:48.860 trans kids, their parents, teachers, doctors, counselors, who love and support them in a state

00:20:52.260 committed to causing them further harm. God, these kids are already so misunderstood and targeted.

00:20:58.900 Trans kids and their parents went to bed in terror last night. This sets a precedence.

00:21:02.740 Trans kids and sends yet another terrifying message to trans kids and their families everywhere. So 1.00

00:21:08.480 cruel. And then she goes on to talk to parents of what she calls trans kids and how she will be 1.00

00:21:16.560 first in line to vote Governor Abbott out. So the question is, who is right here? Who is right in all

00:21:25.180 of this? Because I don't actually think, here's what I'll say before I get into this, I don't think that

00:21:29.380 the opponents of this have no legitimate points. I don't think that Jen Hatmaker has no legitimate 0.99

00:21:35.580 points here. But we need to look at the claims that are made by Attorney General Paxton, at least some of

00:21:42.400 them, that basically this amounts to abusive practices, abusive behavior, to know if it's

00:21:49.560 completely right to say that this is cruel, this is anti-child, and that this is going to end in 0.96

00:21:56.040 suicide and death. Because that's how they morally extort you. That if you disagree with a child

00:22:01.740 going through hormone suppressants and puberty blocker procedures, then you want kids to die

00:22:09.020 when there's really no data that's actually backing that up. But the other claims that basically this is

00:22:16.980 not legally right, this is going to hurt kids and their parents, is there any validity to that? So

00:22:22.920 we're going to explore some of that. All right, so who is right here? Are puberty suppressors and

00:22:31.920 surgeries gender-affirming care that is necessary for, quote, trans kids? So there was this interesting

00:22:41.100 Substack article under the name Pseudonymous, I guess is how you would pronounce it, reporting. It's a

00:22:52.440 Substack, it's written by a woman who goes by the pin name Pseudonym, and she wrote an article agreeing

00:22:57.860 with Greg Abbott saying that she doesn't want to agree with Greg Abbott, but she does. Now, I'm not

00:23:01.860 citing her as a source because you have no reason to know whether or not this person is credible,

00:23:06.780 although she is a pretty well-known writer and is clearly not a conservative, so I think that's an

00:23:11.320 interesting perspective. But she cites medical data. She cites her sources that show without a doubt

00:23:16.620 what a danger these procedures are for kids. So as always, I will include the links to them in this

00:23:22.880 description. One of the citations, according to the European Journal of Endocrinology, quote,

00:23:29.400 in both girls and boys, after a short activation of puberty blockers, of, oh, sorry, gonadal axes,

00:23:38.100 puberty blockers will bring the patients into a hypogonadotrophic state,

00:23:43.900 in girls, withdrawal of estrogens may induce a withdrawal bleeding. Cycling is disrupted. In early

00:23:50.400 pubertal boys, the hypogonadotrophic state will block the development of fertility. In older-staged

00:23:57.520 boys, fertility will regress. Therefore, in older boys, cryopreservation of semen should be discussed

00:24:05.640 prior to the start of treatment. So basically, this is going to disrupt the cycle of girls. They might 1.00

00:24:12.640 stop having a period. They might have withdrawal bleeding, but they might stop having a period.

00:24:18.040 And if you don't have a period, then you're not fertile because that means you're not ovulating.

00:24:21.520 In order to get pregnant, you have to ovulate. And so a girl who no longer has a period is not going 1.00

00:24:27.980 to be able to get pregnant because she's not ovulating in general. And for boys, if you are not

00:24:35.160 producing sperm, you are going to be unable to get a woman pregnant. So it doesn't even take going 0.96

00:24:42.460 through all of this medical literature to understand that disrupting the natural process of puberty,

00:24:48.880 of course, is going to disrupt potentially permanently fertility. A study by a widely read

00:24:56.440 psychologist, Diane Aronsaft, I think that's how you pronounce her last name, says this, quote,

00:25:02.360 although advances are being made in reproductive medicine to preserve immature gametes or reproductive

00:25:07.440 tissues for later reproduction. At this point in history, a child who begins puberty blockers

00:25:12.480 at Tanner stage two and proceeds directly to cross-sex hormones will be rendered infertile. 0.93

00:25:18.580 Administration of testosterone or estrogen to a post-pubertal adolescent may compromise a youth's

00:25:25.480 later fertility or might require going off the hormones for a period of time if a transgender youth

00:25:30.420 who has not had gonad or genital surgeries later in life desires to have a genetically related

00:25:36.340 child. Or the study titled Fertility Concerns of the Transgender Patient, quote, transgender 0.57

00:25:44.140 individuals who undergo gender affirming medical or surgical therapies are at risk for infertility.

00:25:49.980 Suppression of puberty with gonadotropin-releasing hormone agonist analogs in the pediatric

00:25:57.220 transgender patient can cause, can pause the maturation of germ cells and thus affect fertility 1.00

00:26:02.820 potential. Testosterone therapy in transgender men can suppress ovulation, so that's women, 1.00

00:26:09.400 girls, can suppress ovulation and alter ovarian histology, while estrogen therapy in transgender 0.99

00:26:15.360 women, so that's men or boys, can lead to impaired spermatogenesis and testicular atrophy. 1.00

00:26:24.560 The effect of hormone therapy on fertility is potentially reversible, but the extent is

00:26:30.900 unclear. So it might be reversible, but the extent is unclear. Gender affirming surgery that includes

00:26:36.960 hysterectomy. So this is obviously a pro-transition publication because of the language that they're

00:26:44.660 using. They call it gender affirming surgery. That includes hysterectomy. And there's, you know,

00:26:50.940 guys, there's a lot of medical language. And because I'm not a doctor, it's not always the easiest to

00:26:55.840 pronounce. So y'all might, y'all in the medical community might have to help me here. So hysterectomy

00:27:02.080 and oophorectomy, ophorectomy in trans men, again, that's women or girls, or orchiectomy in trans

00:27:10.620 women, again, that's boys or men, results in permanent sterility. It is recommended that clinicians 1.00

00:27:16.100 counsel transgender patients on fertility preservation options prior to initiation of

00:27:21.940 gender affirming therapy. So it doesn't take the ability to pronounce every single scientific

00:27:27.160 word and phrase in these publications to be able to understand them. You're talking about procedures

00:27:34.520 and treatments that render the patient potentially permanently infertile. This is published information.

00:27:41.960 This is from a 2015 article published by PBS. 2015 seems to be the last year that we were really

00:27:49.380 able to say anything that is now considered controversial. Another potential dilemma PBS

00:27:54.880 says facing transgender children, their families, and their doctors is this. Taking cross hormones can 0.99

00:28:00.440 reduce fertility, and there is not enough research to find out if it is reversible or not. So when

00:28:07.680 children make the decision to start taking hormones, they have to consider whether they ever want

00:28:11.880 to have biological children. I think it's really important to talk to these children and families

00:28:16.620 about fertility. Finn Layson says, as the person quoted in this article, I do worry that at that

00:28:21.440 stage in life, many of them may not be able to realize how important that would be to them one day.

00:28:26.160 Of course not. Of course a child wouldn't be able to. That's why they have parents to try to help

00:28:30.840 them think through these things. Another 2015 article from BuzzFeed. For trans kids and teens, if you go from

00:28:37.680 taking puberty suppressing medication directly to hormone replacement therapy, that can render you infertile

00:28:44.100 down the line. Interestingly, Sweden changed its guidance recently on treating transgender youth with a shift

00:28:52.020 away from an emphasis on hormone therapy and surgery to an emphasis on psychological therapy. So other parts of the

00:29:00.340 world are recognizing a lot of the problems with how we treat these kids who are confused about their gender.

00:29:05.960 I guarantee you, we will see more and more the harmful manifestations of these kinds of treatments.

00:29:13.620 The Substack article also notes that in some clinics, transition is actually being used as kind of a form

00:29:19.200 of conversion therapy for kids who have homosexual feelings. So they change genders. Now they're straight. 0.96

00:29:24.800 Now their problems go away. That's problematic in themselves. I mean, that's problematic in itself.

00:29:30.340 So the whole thing is very convoluted. And guess what? Just like the fertility industry, which we've

00:29:37.440 talked about several times recently, there is a ton of money behind this industry. There are also a lot

00:29:43.440 of politics behind it. No psychologist or doctor wants to be called a transphobe and targeted by GLAAD or

00:29:49.840 any of these trans activist groups. So they suspend their normal medical scientific skepticism,

00:29:55.700 and they okay procedures in kids that have lasting effects. And as we know from Abigail Schreier's book,

00:30:02.720 Irreversible Damage, we've had Abigail on this show before, trans identification has exploded in 0.99

00:30:08.240 recent years since the advent of social media and the normalizing of gender bending, especially among

00:30:13.900 teen girls. There is a social contagion to this. And it very often accompanies other kinds of mental

00:30:19.940 health struggles, self-isolation, sudden anger toward and distance from parents, copious times

00:30:26.500 spent online. Gender dysphoria is real, but it is rare. The actual mental disorder, it is a mental

00:30:34.000 disorder according to the DSM-5, which is the big manual of mental disorders. It is a mental disorder

00:30:39.680 and it's characterized by persistent and insistent feeling to being in the wrong body, usually at a very,

00:30:45.400 very young age. Because it's really, this is actually a milestone that a child around the age

00:30:53.640 of two years old is supposed to be able to start to understand their own sex and the sex of other

00:30:59.220 people around them. They start noticing the differences between themselves and other people,

00:31:03.400 between mommy and daddy, grandpa and grandma, random people out in the wild. They start noticing

00:31:09.480 these differences. It's actually an important part of development to be able to understand what sex you

00:31:14.300 are. And so it's also sometimes around this time that someone with genuine gender dysphoria would

00:31:19.580 start to be confused about that. So gender dysphoria is not just insecurity when you're a teenager about

00:31:24.900 your body. It's not homosexuality. It's not being a feminine guy or a masculine girl. It's not liking

00:31:30.200 trucks if you're a girl. It's not liking ballet if you're a guy. It is not even liking makeup if you're a

00:31:35.380 guy. That doesn't make you the opposite gender because it's actually impossible to be the opposite gender.

00:31:40.160 It is a mental disorder that needs to be treated with compassion and cautious care. But I am afraid

00:31:46.360 that we have lumped for political reasons, for ideological reasons, for fear of being called a

00:31:51.500 certain name. We have lumped in so many different feelings and disorders that people have into

00:31:57.120 transgenderism that we are physically and emotionally damaging thousands of kids without even the pretense 0.99

00:32:03.100 of a benefit for them. The frontal lobe of our brains, which helps us understand the consequences

00:32:08.600 of our actions, is not fully developed until we are 25 years old. So a child, even a 15-year-old

00:32:16.200 child, cannot understand the long-term consequences of cutting off his testicles or her healthy breasts 0.99

00:32:21.700 or becoming infertile. Of course, right then when they're 13, 14 years old, they don't know that they 0.98

00:32:26.360 want a child one day. They might be thinking, oh, I hate kids. I'm never going to want a child. I'm never

00:32:31.580 going to feel any differently. I definitely want to do this. There are a lot of things that young people

00:32:35.840 think that they want to do. There are a lot of things that we all thought that we were going to

00:32:38.840 do for the rest of our lives or feel a certain way for the rest of our lives when we were a teenager.

00:32:43.440 That changes. And there's no way. I don't fault these kids. I don't fault these teenagers at all.

00:32:49.040 There's no way for them to know the consequences of this because their brains were not created to

00:32:54.820 understand the consequences of this. That is why God gave children parents. Adults are supposed to know

00:33:00.900 better. Parents, doctors are supposed to know better. These institutions who don't even show

00:33:06.960 a bit of skepticism or scientific curiosity are dangerous. They are the ones who are deadly.

00:33:13.500 The same thing, of course, happened over the past two years. Even scientists who knew, for example,

00:33:18.400 that cloth masks and lockdowns weren't actually working or that natural immunity was strong,

00:33:21.900 they didn't want to say anything, not for scientific reasons, but for political ones. And so I think

00:33:26.040 it's pretty obvious that a large portion of the scientific community has been completely politicized

00:33:31.880 by left-wing ideology and that they are actually projecting, they are accusing the other side,

00:33:38.380 the skeptical ones, of being guilty of the very thing that they are guilty of, which is harming kids

00:33:43.160 for politics. Kids, once again, sacrificed on the altar of adults' recklessness, the unconsenting subjects

00:33:50.140 of progressive social experiments, just as they always are, whether it comes to this gender ideology,

00:33:54.600 whether it comes to indoctrination in schools, whether it comes to unscientific mask mandates,

00:33:59.460 whether it comes to abortion or the redefinition of the family or dangerous reproductive technology,

00:34:06.900 the surrogacy industry, kids are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social

00:34:12.180 experiments. This is another example of that. Now, from a biblical perspective,

00:34:17.860 chin hat maker, there is no category of gender identity in the Bible. And I don't expect 0.97

00:34:24.440 people who are not a Christian to care about this argument. I'm not saying that they should. 1.00

00:34:28.240 But for those of us who identify as Christians, we absolutely must care. This is a Genesis 1 issue.

00:34:33.740 As I say, like we're talking first chapter of the Bible, okay? We're not talking about, oh,

00:34:37.720 this is some secret thing that maybe we can try to discern what God really wanted for male and

00:34:43.020 female, if he really meant that somewhere in the implications of scripture. This is the first chapter

00:34:48.240 of the Bible. This is something that is reiterated throughout scripture, the reality of male and 0.74

00:34:53.980 female. This is something that Jesus reiterates in Matthew 19, that God made us male and female.

00:34:59.040 There is no biblical category of gender identity that is independent from sex. God made our bodies as

00:35:05.380 part of us and God made our bodies good. We do not have a secret, real identity inside of us that

00:35:12.800 trumps our biology. I really encourage you to read Love Thy Body by Nancy Piercy. We'll also link the

00:35:19.920 episode, Biblical Telos of Gender, that I talk about a lot of what she writes in her book and why,

00:35:25.640 again, theologically, this is so important to get right. But our body is inextricably intertwined with

00:35:31.340 who we are. So we love our bodies. We teach our children to love their bodies. Love is seeking the

00:35:39.160 best interest for those in our lives. And best interest is not always defined by what makes a

00:35:45.120 person, especially children who are still just learning so much and still have so much time to

00:35:52.040 grow. It's not defined by what makes them happy in the moment all the time. I mean, we understand that

00:35:58.840 in small things. We understand that we can't give our kids everything they want to eat in the moment.

00:36:03.160 We can't give them unlimited screen time, although that would make them happy.

00:36:06.480 We can't allow them to, you know, wear all the clothes that they want to wear if they're weather

00:36:12.400 inappropriate. And then there are even times when we know that children pretend to be something

00:36:18.020 that they're not. A child could be obsessed with dogs, and so they want to start, you know,

00:36:23.460 eating food off the ground or something, or they want to start crawling again when they're a toddler.

00:36:29.120 You know, there's a time and a place for all of that. And of course, we allow our kids to have

00:36:33.640 imaginations, but it's really important for our kids to know that they're not a puppy,

00:36:37.440 that they're a human being. That's how we guide them as parents. And if a child is truly struggling

00:36:42.880 with gender dysphoria, of course we love them. Of course we help them. But we help them reconcile

00:36:48.400 their mind with their body. We don't mutilate their body to try to reconcile it with their mind.

00:36:53.560 For an adult, they can make that choice. If they want to make that choice, they can.

00:36:58.800 But for a child whose brain isn't even developed, who does not understand that they won't be able

00:37:05.200 to have babies one day and that their body will never be the same, even if they one day realize

00:37:10.100 it was all a mistake, yes, it is negligence for parents and doctors to allow that. That is being

00:37:15.360 an irresponsible steward of a child. Now, here's where the nuance comes in.

00:37:20.420 All of that said, I think there are many parents of kids, these kids who say that they're the opposite

00:37:30.280 gender. I think that many of these parents love their kids so much, genuine love, that they had

00:37:38.440 the same feeling that I did when my kids were born that, wow, I would do anything for you. I would

00:37:43.400 sacrifice anything for you. There is nothing that I would not do to help you be successful and fulfilled

00:37:48.600 in life. I believe that. I think that they feel that they are doing what is best and they're

00:37:54.960 listening to the people that they are told are experts. Like all of us, they want their kids to

00:38:00.380 be happy. They want their kids to be whole and confident. There are, of course, other parents

00:38:05.680 who may be exploiting their kids for attention, who may be pushing their kids to explore new identities.

00:38:11.520 There might be some Munchausen by proxy in there. Maybe they enjoy being, you know, special or

00:38:17.520 different. But I think a lot of parents, when they have their 13-year-old daughter come to them and

00:38:23.000 say, hey, I'm a boy, and the parents affirm that new identity, that they think that they're being

00:38:29.440 good parents. They are fear-mongered, as we already talked about a few minutes ago, by this false

00:38:34.680 narrative that if you don't affirm your child's brand new declaration of their new gender, that they're

00:38:39.480 going to commit suicide and it's going to be your fault. That's what they're told. Can you imagine?

00:38:43.500 I mean, we've talked about before how these kind of manipulative tactics by doctors when women are 1.00

00:38:49.700 giving birth, that if you don't listen to them and take this medication and do exactly what they want

00:38:53.760 in that moment, that their child is going to die. And of course, sometimes that's true and doctors

00:38:58.400 are just being prudent and honest, but a lot of times it's not. A lot of times the doctor either

00:39:03.720 wants more control or there are other ulterior motives there and the mom isn't listened to. 1.00

00:39:08.900 It's the same kind of manipulative tactic that if you don't do this, then your child is going to

00:39:14.060 die. It's really amazing how parents are manipulated into making bad decisions that way, really from

00:39:20.380 the moment of birth onward. It's crazy. But even GLAAD has said that we have very unreliable statistics

00:39:30.100 on suicides of people who are transgender. Why? Because gender identity is not recorded at death. So we

00:39:36.540 really have no way of knowing just how many kids in the U.S. are committing suicide because their

00:39:47.080 parents don't accept them or because people are not accepting their gender identity. So this is moral 0.93

00:39:52.680 extortion to scare parents and the general population into normalizing this idea of a boy

00:39:58.840 being able to become a girl and vice versa. So I do think that parents who think that they have to

00:40:04.900 affirm their son or daughter's newfound declaration or newfound identity, that they believe that they're

00:40:11.860 doing the right thing, that they really love their kid, but they have been manipulated by these experts

00:40:16.240 and these activists on social media and maybe even in some cases by their own child. But you also have

00:40:23.640 to understand that the parents who realize this is not my child, this is not what's best for them,

00:40:27.640 I do not want to irreversibly damage them for the rest of their lives, even if they're mad at me,

00:40:32.840 that they really love their child too. That they are doing, well, in my opinion, they are objectively

00:40:38.500 doing what's best for their child and also what they think is best for their child. For the parents who

00:40:45.240 are saying, you know, the only loving option is to allow my child to go on puberty blockers or whatever,

00:40:51.840 and affirm them, of course, they're going to be very angry at anyone who argues with them or says

00:40:57.840 otherwise because they think that you're questioning their love as a parent and no one wants to be

00:41:02.460 questioned about that, of course, understandably. So the question is, do I think that parents who

00:41:09.080 try to transition their child into the other gender are being abusive? I do. Even if the intent is not 1.00

00:41:18.320 malicious, even if they believe that they are doing it out of love, I do think the result is abuse,

00:41:24.320 even if that is not the intent. And we have to look at the consequences of this, not just what

00:41:29.100 the intentions are. Although I do think the intentions are important to weigh. I don't know

00:41:33.320 how it could not be to put your child through a physically unnecessary procedure that is very likely

00:41:41.640 going to render them infertile. I don't see how that could not be abusive. Here's where I think 0.70

00:41:48.920 intent matters, and this may sound contradictory. Do I think that those parents should have their

00:41:55.560 kids taken away from them? Well, here's my next question. Would those kids do better in the care of

00:42:02.700 the state? I say no. I say no. Those kids would not do better in the care of the state

00:42:09.540 with people who don't love them or have their best interest at heart at all. Unless it is an obvious

00:42:16.020 case, this is just my opinion, of deliberately malicious abuse or negligence. I think there should

00:42:22.540 always be, I think there should always be a very high bar for separating kids from their parents.

00:42:28.420 The state system for kids is usually terrible. It holds its own potential for serious abuse. And I

00:42:34.360 don't think that either of these letters is necessarily saying that kids will be taken away

00:42:38.220 from their parents specifically, but I can see how, to Jen Hatmaker's credit, how someone would

00:42:43.060 certainly deduce that and fear that. And I don't think that consequence, children being handed over to

00:42:48.220 the state in most cases, is best for them either. And if I'm thinking about what is best for kids,

00:42:54.900 what is going to lead to their well-being the most, I don't think them being put in foster care

00:43:01.080 or some kind of system like that is going to help them. I don't at all. So my main beef is really with

00:43:07.760 the doctors, who are supposed to be the ones to know better. The psychologists, who are supposed to

00:43:12.920 be the ones to know better. The school counselors, who are supposed to be the ones to know better.

00:43:17.060 The scientists and the so-called experts, who are supposed to know better. That's my main beef. I want

00:43:22.680 to shut those people down. If these people were telling parents, hey, there's another way. And

00:43:28.220 the loving thing to do is for us to help your daughter accept and love the body that she has,

00:43:33.200 then maybe parents wouldn't be going this direction. Now, that doesn't mean the parents

00:43:37.020 aren't responsible at all. But I think we do have to look at everything going on and the intentions

00:43:42.840 in these situations when we are making these kinds of monumental decisions. So I think Attorney

00:43:47.980 General Paxson's letter made some excellent points. I honestly don't know how anyone could

00:43:52.700 argue against them in good faith. And most of the responses you'll see don't even try to argue

00:43:56.740 against them in good faith because they're all cited. All of his arguments are cited.

00:44:01.400 I don't want the consequence of this, though, to be families torn apart for the reasons that I listed.

00:44:09.700 Maybe you disagree with me on that, but I think we have to be really careful when we say,

00:44:13.920 well, let's just take kids away from their parents and give them to the state. I don't think that

00:44:19.640 that's a better alternative. So that's where I land there. I want to quickly go through this

00:44:23.660 don't say gay bill. It's just four pages. There's just a couple of things that I'm going to correct.

00:44:28.060 The propaganda out there is ridiculous per usual. I would say way more ridiculous than actually what 0.81

00:44:33.980 we're seeing to what is happening in Texas. So all right. So HB 1557, that's House Bill 1557 from the 0.91

00:44:46.040 Florida House of Representatives, seeks to establish parents' right to the upbringing of their child,

00:44:53.160 including conversations about so-called gender identity and sexuality. And this is a bill that

00:44:59.780 covers kindergarten through third grade. All right. So we're talking about about five to nine-year-olds

00:45:06.460 and it discusses what can actually be required to be discussed in the classroom by the district and

00:45:14.160 also what kind of information a teacher is allowed to withhold from the parents that the student

00:45:22.160 that the student tells the teacher. So here are some things that you have probably heard. For example,

00:45:31.080 the White House said a couple of weeks ago, today, conservative politicians in Florida advanced

00:45:36.720 legislation designed to attack LGBTQI plus kids. What? Instead of making growing up harder for young

00:45:45.000 people, POTUS is focused on keeping schools open and supporting students' mental health. And then

00:45:49.840 President Biden himself said, I want every member of the LGBTQI plus community, especially the kids

00:45:57.140 who will be impacted by this hateful bill to know that you are loved and accepted just as you are.

00:46:03.340 I have your back and my administration will continue to fight for the protections and the safety that you

00:46:08.520 deserve. You've probably seen several graphics and memes on Instagram. I don't have them in front of me

00:46:14.460 right now, but several of them saying that this actually bans any kind of conversation about

00:46:20.780 homosexuality in the classroom. They can't learn about LGBTQ plus history. They can't. That's why 1.00

00:46:27.760 the opponents are calling it Don't Say Gay Bill. They're saying that you're not even allowed to talk

00:46:32.820 about this stuff. And that is actually not true. And then there is also the point, the other big point

00:46:38.520 that is being made by left-wing propagandists is that teachers are required to out, to out these

00:46:45.380 kids to their parents. So if a kid comes to a teacher and says, I'm gay, then the teacher has

00:46:51.580 to go to the parents. And that is called, they're saying outing a child to their parents. And that

00:46:55.760 is, what are they saying that's going to lead to? Suicide. It always is if you don't follow along

00:47:01.080 with what they say. And if parents don't do exactly what left-wing ideologues who have no interest

00:47:06.200 whatsoever in the well-being of their child, the way the parents do, if you don't do exactly what

00:47:10.120 they say, then your child is going to kill themselves. How awful. Like, what awful people

00:47:14.400 that would make that kind of argument, again, based on no data. That's just conjecture. That's

00:47:18.580 what they want to say. That's, again, how they morally extort you as a parent. But here's the reality.

00:47:25.500 This is a very simple bill. The Senate version of this bill is just four pages. The House version of

00:47:32.120 this bill is seven pages. The reality is, is that a district cannot force a teacher to include

00:47:43.960 LGBTQ-centered curriculum in the classroom. So this is what it says. Prohibiting a school district 1.00

00:47:54.780 from, this is what the bill does, prohibits a school district from encouraging classroom discussion

00:47:59.960 about sexual orientation or gender identity in primary grade levels. So that's kindergarten

00:48:04.300 through third grade or in a specified manner. So it's not even saying that a teacher can't talk

00:48:11.600 about this in class. It's not saying that if a teacher wants to talk about homosexuality for

00:48:17.200 some reason to a bunch of six-year-olds, I mean, I think that's weird, or wants to talk about gender

00:48:22.880 identity, that this law doesn't actually stop a teacher from doing that. It simply says that a

00:48:29.380 district cannot encourage classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity and

00:48:34.980 only in kindergarten through third grade. Okay, we're not talking about K through 12. And we're

00:48:40.900 not even talking about a law that is directly prohibiting the teacher from talking about

00:48:44.800 something. It prohibits, quote, a school district from encouraging classroom discussion about sexual

00:48:50.680 orientation or gender identity. All right, so that's what the bill does. And then as far as this

00:48:56.500 whole outing claim, what the bill says is that a teacher cannot withhold important information from

00:49:06.760 a parent for a kid's kindergarten through third grade. So it says this, a school district may not

00:49:12.100 adopt procedures or student support forms that prohibit school district personnel from notifying a

00:49:17.860 parent about his or her student's mental, emotional, or physical health or well-being or a change

00:49:22.780 related to services or monitoring or that encourage to have the effect of encouraging a student to

00:49:27.620 withhold from a parent such information. So listen to all kind of like the caveats even within that

00:49:34.600 sentence. A school district may not adopt procedures or student support forms that prohibit school district

00:49:40.760 personnel from notifying a parent. So this isn't even saying necessarily that the personnel can't,

00:49:48.840 but that they can't be prohibited. A personnel cannot be prohibited from telling a parent about

00:49:55.740 a piece of information that the child gave them about their mental or emotional well-being. Now,

00:50:04.780 I think if we read between the lines, this basically means that if little seven-year-old Jack comes up to

00:50:11.680 the teacher and says, I'm Sally, that teacher cannot be required to withhold that information from the

00:50:17.680 parents. I actually think that the teacher should have to report that information to the parents.

00:50:23.420 And you keep hearing, well, these kids are going to get kicked out. I'm sorry. I don't, I don't think

00:50:29.280 so. I don't think so. Maybe in rare, cruel cases, that means that that parent was probably abusive

00:50:34.720 anyway. Like if a parent, what they're going to kick out, this is again, kindergarten through third grade

00:50:38.840 we're talking about. They're going to kick out their seven-year-old. No, I think the vast majority of

00:50:43.980 parents want to know that information to help their child, to talk to their child, to love their

00:50:47.780 child. I guarantee you every single parent loves their child more than teachers do. Teachers love

00:50:55.300 their kids in certain ways, but you can't ever love a kid as much as a parent loves their kid.

00:50:59.480 These administrators, politicians don't know your child or care about your child's well-being. Of

00:51:04.220 course, this kind of sensitive information should be told to a child. But again, this is just saying

00:51:09.200 that a teacher cannot be prohibited from telling a parent this kind of information. So really, this

00:51:14.820 is a very soft bill. This isn't directly saying what a teacher can and can't say. It's really more

00:51:21.080 about what the district can encourage or prohibit. Does that make sense? And so everything that you

00:51:27.460 are hearing really about this bill is total and complete propaganda. Really, it almost doesn't go far

00:51:33.640 enough because there should be no situation where a teacher should be talking to a kindergarten through

00:51:41.640 third grader and beyond about gender identity in the classroom. There's no reason for them to suggest

00:51:48.560 that, hey, little kids, as you are still just figuring out the world and yourself and your body

00:51:53.040 and all of this, here's a curveball. You could also be the opposite gender. Like there is in no sane 1.00

00:52:00.520 world. In no sane world should a teacher be talking about that. And I'm sorry, you should probably ask

00:52:05.420 yourself, what kind of person would be against this kind of rule? Like what kind of person actually

00:52:12.740 thinks that an adult should have these private conversations without parents in the room about

00:52:18.440 things like sexuality and gender identity to little children ages five through nine? What kind of person

00:52:24.400 thinks that's okay? What kind of person thinks it's okay for the district to require a teacher

00:52:29.380 to keep personal information, especially something that's consequential, a so-called gender identity

00:52:34.620 from a parent? You know, Preventing Abuse 101 says that adults aren't supposed to tell kids,

00:52:43.380 this is our little secret. That's not something that you're supposed to do because that's not

00:52:47.960 appropriate. Okay, that in itself is typically a precursor or a part of abuse. So really what the

00:52:56.200 people who oppose this bill are trying to do is they're trying to shut out parents. They're trying

00:53:00.140 to say, you know, parents have no role here. And actually parents and parents having knowledge of

00:53:05.040 their kids and what their kids are going through is actually detrimental to a child. That it's better

00:53:10.780 for teachers and administrators to conduct these kind of secret conversations about very sensitive

00:53:15.800 topics with kids without the parents knowing or being able to interfere. That's what people who

00:53:20.340 oppose this bill are saying. And again, I ask you to consider what kind of person would have that

00:53:28.240 mentality. What kind of person would think that way? I'll let you piece that together. The reality

00:53:35.640 is no matter what side of the aisle that you're on, you are not co-parenting with the state. All right?

00:53:41.320 They don't have the same interest in your child and your child's well-being that you do.

00:53:44.460 You have every right to be involved in those kinds of conversations. You have every right to say,

00:53:49.080 no, I'm sorry, my six-year-old's not going to talk to random Miss Susie Smith, 27-year-old who,

00:53:56.760 you know, just graduated from grad school about their gender identity. I'm sorry, no. That's not 0.67

00:54:02.460 going to happen. Of course. That's like the sane and the logical and moral position to have. Of course.

00:54:09.240 And so anyone who opposes this bill, which honestly is a gentle bill, it is very obvious and should be

00:54:16.280 obvious. Again, these conversations should not be happening with kindergarten through third graders

00:54:20.340 and that secrets about a child's well-being should not be kept from their parents.

00:54:26.460 Anyone who opposes this, it's just, I don't know. I don't know. Lots to think about there. So,

00:54:31.380 so much propaganda. We'll link the bill. Read it yourself, please. And I guarantee you,

00:54:36.600 all of the people pushing back about this and going crazy about it, that they haven't read it. I

00:54:42.960 guarantee you they haven't read it. So, bust the propaganda. Tell the people in your life who are

00:54:48.700 freaking out about this to calm down. It's a little crazy and it's too much. Meanwhile, Democrats

00:54:55.300 tried to pass the most radical abortion legislation in the Senate yesterday. Every Democrat except for

00:55:01.420 Joe Manchin voted for it. And it's a fact would be to get rid of any restriction on abortion

00:55:06.820 nationwide. It prohibits any state from putting a prohibition on abortion and even allows a doctor

00:55:13.600 in his, quote, good faith judgment to perform an abortion up until birth if that doctor decides that

00:55:20.920 it's for the mental or physical well-being of the mother. Just in his good faith judgment. So,

00:55:27.160 you can read that according to Doe v. Bolton really as any reason. So, the effect of this legislation

00:55:33.060 would be to legalize abortion through birth. We're talking about a 42-week, seven to eight-pound

00:55:38.640 wiggling baby could legally, under this bill, be aborted. Thankfully, it did not pass. They didn't

00:55:45.280 have the votes. But every single Democrat in the Senate, except for Joe Manchin, voted for it. Again,

00:55:50.240 you can read the Women's Health Protection Act, which is not about women. It's not about protection. 0.74

00:55:54.440 It's not about health. You can read that online if you don't believe me. We've talked about in the

00:56:00.340 past. Maybe we'll link the past episode on it. All right. That's all we've got for you today. We will

00:56:04.080 be back here tomorrow with a theology episode. See you guys then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 01, 2022

Ep 574 ｜ The Truth About Florida's 'Don't Say Gay' Bill & Texas' 'Attack on Trans Kids'

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