Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 584 ｜ How to Reverse (or Outlast) America’s Collapse

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00:00:21.520 Okay, happy Thursday. Is that what day it is? Yes, it's Thursday. Also, happy St. Patrick's Day.

00:00:29.080 St. Patrick's Day isn't really something that we celebrate, but I did wear green today for those of

00:00:34.800 you who do celebrate St. Patrick's Day, so you're welcome for that. Hope everyone has a wonderful day,

00:00:41.120 maybe celebrating your Irish heritage, whatever people do on St. Patrick's Day. Today, we're not

00:00:49.100 going to talk about that, though. We are going to zoom out a little bit more than we did yesterday.

00:00:54.420 We are going to give some practical advice in light of what we discussed yesterday,

00:00:59.260 and we are also going to look at everything that's happening from a theological perspective to remind us

00:01:06.580 of what is ultimately true. So I hope this is a very peace-giving episode. I hope this is a very

00:01:12.960 inspiring episode in that way, and that you're able to take some of the pieces of advice that I'm trying

00:01:19.040 to humbly give, and also that you are reminded of God's complete sovereignty and goodness. So

00:01:25.980 yesterday, I understand that it might have been a little anxiety-inducing, but I got really good

00:01:31.360 feedback about yesterday's episode. Hopefully, it added some clarity to you about everything that's

00:01:38.140 going on and why. So if you haven't listened to that, go listen to it. We talked about the state of

00:01:42.100 the world, the state of our country, why we are in the state that we're in. I hit you with the bad

00:01:47.100 news that I think that things are bad and that they're going to get worse on every front. We are

00:01:52.860 seeing and are going to continue to see, I think, deterioration economically, socially, culturally,

00:01:58.520 morally in our country. So as I said, go listen to yesterday's episode if you haven't already.

00:02:03.540 A little frightening, but it's sobering and clarifying, and we desperately need sobriety and

00:02:08.460 clarity in this moment. But today, I'm going to give you some good news about where we are and where

00:02:17.080 we as Christians are going. So first, let's look at the practical, the political, the here and the

00:02:24.620 now, the worldly stuff. And that comes down to this question, do I think our country can change for the

00:02:32.720 better? Do I think that, for example, America can be the number one superpower again, respected,

00:02:39.800 revered again? Do I think that all of this ridiculous left-wing ideology can stop infecting every

00:02:44.600 institution that enters globally and nationally? Do I think that critical race theory, gender ideology,

00:02:50.160 the America hatred, the systemic sexualization of children is going to stop? Will globalism win?

00:02:56.680 I don't know. I think it's possible, though. There are some ways that I think that we can try to

00:03:02.740 strategically change things, to shift the Overton window back over in a number of ways. And so there

00:03:09.880 are really five ways that I think we can do that. And I'm sure that there are very smart people,

00:03:17.860 older people who have been involved in politics and culture for a long time who could add to this

00:03:24.100 list. But from my vantage point, what I'm seeing right now, there are at least five things that I

00:03:29.480 think that we can do as people who are opposing the cultural winds that are blowing and how we are

00:03:36.640 shifting so far over, not just to the left, but absolute amorality and anarchy. So the one thing

00:03:43.880 that I think that you should do, number one, is you polarize. So what I mean by that, we've talked

00:03:49.840 about this before, I mentioned it briefly at the end of yesterday's episode, you move to red areas

00:03:54.660 and you make them redder. You find like-minded people, you raise your kids with them, you support

00:04:00.480 them, you let them support you. Especially in a time of an economic downturn and economic hardship,

00:04:05.660 we really need materially to be able to depend on one another. Find people who share your values,

00:04:12.740 create churches, create villages, communities on these values, or join those that already exist.

00:04:18.860 If it's not possible to move, or if you feel like God is calling you to stay where you are,

00:04:23.540 then by all means, please listen to God and not me. But if you can, find people who share your values,

00:04:31.760 no matter where you are. Find Christians who don't waver on the big stuff, on the gospel,

00:04:38.340 on sin, on repentance, on marriage, on gender, on abortion, on in general, how to raise kids,

00:04:44.720 team up with them, team up with them, have each other's back. Now, this is a lot easier said than

00:04:50.360 done, I know. But we desperately need that right now. We need the church to take care of the church

00:04:57.000 first and foremost. I also mentioned this yesterday, that many of the verses that evangelicalism has

00:05:04.180 kind of taken out of context, especially over the past century, and has applied it to our interactions

00:05:09.300 with the world, are really directives for the church. Giving up everything you have to take care

00:05:15.120 of one another. Taking care of the least of these. That is actually not a description of the least of

00:05:21.580 these in the world. It's talking actually about persecuted Christians, visiting those who are in

00:05:26.660 prison. I'm not saying it's bad to visit people who are in prison in general, but in context,

00:05:31.680 it's actually in reference to Christians who are in prison. And a lot of times, I think that we

00:05:36.480 overlook the needs that our brothers and sisters in Christ have, and we exclusively focus on how to

00:05:43.060 take care of the outside world. Again, I'm not saying that that's bad. I think that's a wonderful thing.

00:05:48.000 That is one way that Christians can be salt and light. We should be taking care of vulnerable

00:05:53.000 communities who are not part of the church, but certainly not at the expense of taking care of

00:05:59.580 one another. That is one way to evangelize really effectively, is the church being the church. The

00:06:05.400 church taking care of one another, leaning on one another, looking more like the church that's

00:06:10.740 described in Acts, and less like just a building that we go into, that we sit in the pews,

00:06:17.600 once or twice a week, and then we kind of go out into our communities and we forget about the people

00:06:24.360 that we go to church with. Now, I'm preaching to the choir a little bit. It is hard, I think,

00:06:29.140 to live like this in this culture because, you know, my husband and I, we're busy. We have

00:06:35.000 responsibilities that we carry out throughout the week, whether it's parenting or work or whatever

00:06:40.120 it is. It's very easy, very easy for church to just kind of become this thing or even friendships

00:06:47.820 within the church to become these things that you're just kind of going through the motions.

00:06:53.120 I completely sympathize with that if that's how you feel. I have talked to so many people,

00:06:58.760 especially so many Christian women, who are struggling to find true, deep Christian relationships.

00:07:04.820 Maybe you have one or two. Maybe you have different friends who are kind of disconnected from one

00:07:10.160 another in, you know, from different stages of your life. And maybe you even have a Sunday school

00:07:15.540 or a life group, but you still don't feel like it's, you know, this is kind of Christianese, but

00:07:20.560 it's doing life together. You still don't feel like you have someone that you're truly vulnerable with,

00:07:25.480 that you're sharing burdens with, that you're learning about God with and learning about parenting with.

00:07:30.780 Man, I can totally sympathize with that. It's really easy to allow our relationships, even maybe

00:07:37.740 especially within the church, to just be kind of things that we're doing to tick off the box of,

00:07:43.180 yeah, I have Christian community, but it's not real. It's not really integrated. You know, I long for

00:07:49.880 that in a lot of ways, and we have that in some ways. In some ways, we don't. And it's taken a long

00:07:56.920 time to even kind of start to get to the point to where we truly have that kind of consistent

00:08:02.580 community. So if you're there, my encouragement to you as someone who, with my husband, has struggled

00:08:08.780 through that and struggled to find the kind of real Christian Christ-centered community that I'm

00:08:13.080 talking about is to keep trying, to keep trying, to keep trying to cultivate those friendships, keep

00:08:18.580 going to church, keep seeking out those friendships, seek or continue to reach out to people that you

00:08:26.400 want to cultivate friendships with. It's a very lonely era. It's a very isolated time. And one way

00:08:33.560 that we can be a refuge for a chaotic and lonely and isolated world is to come together and to be there

00:08:39.060 for each other as Christians. And again, I say that as someone who, with my husband, we are learning how

00:08:45.840 to be that and to do that in this season of our lives. And so that all falls under my first piece

00:08:52.380 of advice to polarize. That doesn't mean that we don't love people who disagree with us outside the

00:08:58.840 church, outside our, you know, political beliefs. I'm not saying that at all. I'm not saying that

00:09:04.140 you're completely disconnected or detached from them or that you hate them in any way. I'm just saying

00:09:09.800 that who you are living life with, who you are surrounding yourself with, try to find people who

00:09:15.560 share your values, team up together and support one another. Second piece of advice, you localize.

00:09:21.580 So I already mentioned, and this kind of is a little repetitive from the first piece of advice,

00:09:26.120 but you depend on one another, on your community for what you need. We all need to be depending on

00:09:32.120 the United States as much as we can for food and for goods. Again, not easy. I am, these pieces of

00:09:39.920 advice I am trying to internalize and take for myself. I still buy stuff from Amazon and Target.

00:09:44.680 That's not made here. I really try not to buy stuff that's made in China, but my iPhone was

00:09:51.060 made in China. My iPhone case was made in America. I really tried to do that. And I don't know if it's

00:09:57.780 any better to buy things that are made in Cambodia, maybe because you're not contributing to like the

00:10:04.280 growth of the power of what is going to be a terrible superpower when it finally takes that

00:10:13.200 title by buying something that's made in China. I don't know if it's any morally or ethically better

00:10:18.480 at all. But as much as we can, even though it's difficult, even though it's more expensive,

00:10:23.340 we have to try to rely on the United States for food and goods. That's one of the reasons why I love

00:10:31.220 good ranchers. And this is not an advertisement for them, but I truly do love knowing that our meat

00:10:36.720 comes from American farms and ranches. That's why I like, and I'll go ahead and read it in just a

00:10:41.640 second, a new sponsor that I have because their product is entirely made in America. Also, my second

00:10:47.640 sponsor for the day, Carly Jean Los Angeles, a ton of their stuff is made in America too. I think that's

00:10:53.040 really important right now. And I'm not saying that that is going to make the biggest difference in

00:10:58.600 the world that if you and I try to rely on American industries for the things that we need, but it can

00:11:03.880 make a difference. It's the more responsible choice. And I think that we should try to do whatever we

00:11:10.100 can to depend on resources as close to home as possible. I don't even think it's a bad idea to

00:11:16.120 become a full-on prepper. Always better safe than sorry. And again, I am not a full-on prepper.

00:11:22.100 Like I joke with my husband, I'm not sure if you marry, like with everything going on, I've said this a lot

00:11:27.940 over the past couple of years, I don't think that you married an apocalypse wife. Like I don't,

00:11:32.540 I'm not sure that I have what it takes for the apocalypse. In the apocalypse, I'm going to be in

00:11:37.960 my bunker still recording a podcast and be like, it's bad out here, guys. It's bad out here. I mean,

00:11:44.800 I feel like that's the only thing that God truly equipped me to do and has called me to do is like

00:11:50.300 to talk and to write. And there's probably, hopefully not, but there might come a day when

00:11:54.760 that's not even something that is like valuable because we will just be like struggling for

00:12:00.240 survival. I hope that that's not coming, but it might be coming. And I'm not really sure how my

00:12:04.340 gifts are equipped to do that, to handle the apocalypse. And I'm talking like not the true

00:12:12.020 apocalypse, like the true end of the world. I'm just speaking in terms of if things really do just

00:12:19.440 like crash and burn in the United States and we have to like live off the land, that's going to

00:12:25.280 be tough. That's going to be tough for your girl. And I imagine that it's probably going to be tough

00:12:29.880 for you. So maybe we should learn. Like maybe someone should start. Maybe this is you. It's

00:12:34.460 certainly not me. Can you start some kind of online class to teach us, to teach us modern gals,

00:12:41.300 like how to sew. And there are some Instagram accounts that can teach you how to like preserve food

00:12:47.300 and things like that. The thing is, I follow those Instagram accounts and I watch the videos and then

00:12:52.060 I do not apply it to my life at all. And I'm just like, well, we have a lot of mac and cheese.

00:12:56.380 I hope that that I hope that that is going to cut it. But so I'm talking to myself. We need to

00:13:02.120 localize. We need to try to depend on ourselves, depend on our friends, depend on our local communities,

00:13:07.900 depend on our country as much as possible. It's always better to be safe. It's always better to be

00:13:13.820 safe than sorry. So I think we need to try to do that, make an effort towards that, help each other,

00:13:19.360 help each other to do that. We've talked about that in the Great Reset episodes,

00:13:23.880 how that is really one of the only, when you're just talking about things to do in the here and

00:13:31.440 the now, tangible things, that's like one of the only things to battle this movement toward an

00:13:38.680 international government run by the same currency, run by the same regulations and laws, is to depend

00:13:46.660 on one another, a form of healthy nationalism, a form of healthy localism. All right. Number

00:13:55.440 three, you simplify. So polarize, localize, and simplify. All right. So third piece of advice,

00:14:03.820 you simplify. You make your life and your children's lives as simple and as normal as possible. Man,

00:14:10.860 over the past two years, like our kids need normalcy. If that means homeschooling them,

00:14:15.560 if that means spending all afternoon outside, if that means taking phones away from your teenagers,

00:14:20.980 unplug your family from the chaos of the world. Teach them the simple truths every day, every opportunity

00:14:26.400 you can of God's word and the wisdom gained through hard work, through friendship, through service,

00:14:31.160 through nature. Let's all simplify our lives. Once again, talking to myself, I'm craving that.

00:14:36.240 I rarely get it. So I really want to take this advice myself with a job that is inextricably

00:14:43.400 intertwined with what's going on in the news. I feel like I have to keep up with everything that's

00:14:48.640 going on and post things on social media and check on social media, but I could certainly maximize the

00:14:54.320 free moments that I have better and use every moment for the glory of God. I think that's something that

00:15:01.400 I fall short of all of the time, every day. We probably all do in our own ways, but the days are

00:15:09.320 evil and time is short. And as I said at the beginning, it's time for sobriety. And so we have to

00:15:18.520 ensure that we are using our time wisely. And I just wanted to look this up because this

00:15:25.160 passage from Ephesians 5 came to mind as I was speaking. So let me read it to you. I think that

00:15:31.220 this is a really good reminder under this point of simplification of our lives. Ephesians 5, 15

00:15:37.420 through 17. Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise, but as wise, making the best use of the

00:15:45.660 time. Wow. How often do I not make the best use of my time? I might be making a good use of my time,

00:15:51.660 a fine use of my time, what I think is a neutral use of my time, but how often am I using my time

00:16:01.560 in the best way that I possibly can? And here's the reason for that. This is kind of a stunning reason.

00:16:07.580 It's a very sobering reason. Making the best use of the time because the days are evil. So that means

00:16:15.140 somehow that wasting time, wasting our moments is connected to evil or perpetuating evil or being

00:16:25.080 neutral in the face of evil, not doing anything about evil, not opposing evil in some way. Because

00:16:31.000 if making the best use of our time is necessary because the days are evil, then apparently not

00:16:38.220 making the best use of our time is somehow involved in or not doing enough about the evil that exists.

00:16:49.380 And maybe it's because evil tends to prey upon idleness. Evil tends to prey upon spending our time

00:16:58.460 in a way that is self-serving or rots our brain like social media does. Making the best use of the time

00:17:06.880 because the days are evil. Therefore, do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord

00:17:13.560 is. Just in this small segment of this chapter, we see so much about wisdom. Look carefully then how

00:17:25.020 you walk. Not as unwise, but as wise. Making the best use of the time because the days are evil.

00:17:32.320 Therefore, do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. Wow. That's a lot of caution

00:17:39.480 and care that we are called to. That's a lot of thinking. That's a lot of thoughtfulness that goes

00:17:45.800 into how we are supposed to spend our every moment. We're supposed to look carefully. We're supposed to

00:17:51.560 be wise. We're supposed to make the best use of our time. We're supposed to not be foolish. We're

00:17:55.400 supposed to understand what the will of the Lord is. That's something that I pray for my kids all the

00:18:00.560 time when I've prayed since I was pregnant for the first time. Gosh, that my kids would be wise.

00:18:04.660 That's what I want them to be. I understand that implicit in that is a fear of the Lord

00:18:09.260 because we understand that the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, as Proverbs tells us.

00:18:16.300 If I pray for my kids to be wise, I am also implicitly praying, even though I also explicitly

00:18:21.640 pray this as well, that they would be fearful of the Lord. That they would have a fear of the Lord

00:18:28.780 that would lead them to have discernment, that they would agree with God in everything that he

00:18:33.120 says is good and right and true, that they would be able to hear a lie or hear a bit of deception,

00:18:37.580 and they would be able to recall God's word and say, nope, that's not right. That's not true.

00:18:43.220 That's not good. That's not pure. That's not excellent. That's not worthy of my praise.

00:18:47.880 When they hear the serpent slither and whisper, did God really say? Did God really say that was a sin?

00:18:54.560 Did God really say that's good? Did God really call you to that kind of obedience? Maybe not.

00:19:01.920 Maybe he told you to compromise. Maybe it's fine. Maybe you know better than God. Maybe you can love

00:19:05.980 more than God. Maybe you're wiser than God, that when they hear that small voice, which every single

00:19:11.140 one of us does, that they would be able to, just as Jesus did in the wilderness, recall the word of

00:19:16.980 the Lord. Jesus himself relied on scripture when he was tempted by Satan. Let's pray that for ourselves

00:19:22.000 and for our kids, that they would have that wisdom, that when they hear Satan, the serpent,

00:19:28.220 whisper that in their ear and question the authority of God in his word, that they would be able to

00:19:33.640 recall what God's word says and say, no, I know what's true. I know what's true. So let us look

00:19:40.740 carefully then how we walk. Let us teach our kids to live, to look carefully then as they walk and to

00:19:46.920 walk in wisdom. And all of this falls under the simplification of our lives because the world is

00:19:54.480 complicated. The world is chaotic. The world is questioning fundamental truth and reality at every

00:19:59.560 turn. But God's word remains clear. It remains steadfast. Number four, you organize. So this kind

00:20:07.740 of speaks more to politically how we can get involved, how we can try to change the culture,

00:20:12.540 although that is not our primary goal as Christians to change the culture. Our primary goal,

00:20:18.020 our primary aim is always to glorify Christ. But that may involve an effect of that, an effect of

00:20:25.020 our obedience may be changing cultures and organizations. And I do think that we can actively

00:20:31.680 participate in that. What do we always say? Politics matter because policy matters because

00:20:36.700 people matter. Politics affects policy. Policy affects people. I think we're seeing that right now.

00:20:41.880 One example is inflation. This is affecting people's ability to live and to feed their

00:20:46.440 families. We saw that with the lockdowns. It matters who you elect, Republican or Democrat.

00:20:51.700 Can't just vote for someone because they have an R by their name and expect them to champion the

00:20:56.600 things that are going to allow societies to thrive and to be free. We have to elect the right people.

00:21:02.800 And we can't trust politicians to be the spearhead of the kind of change that we're looking for.

00:21:09.120 We have to organize. So at your kid's school or at the university you attend, at your church,

00:21:15.120 in your community, when progressivism rears its ugly head in any way, or when sin rears its ugly head

00:21:23.500 in any way, you find like-minded people. You create a cohesive message. You push back on the powers

00:21:30.460 that are there that are calling the shots that you know are harmful and wrong. We've seen what

00:21:39.200 organization and finding like-minded people can do when we're just talking politically in a place

00:21:44.820 like Virginia. We've seen policies changed. We've seen mandates reversed. We've seen curriculum

00:21:49.960 changed. Minds changed. You don't have to be in the majority to make a difference.

00:21:54.340 Let me repeat that. You do not have to be in the majority to make a difference. Let progressivism

00:22:02.840 be a lesson to you. The people who were considered radicals a few years ago, when they were talking,

00:22:11.200 anyone who talks about the redefinition of marriage or the family or the abolition of gender in some way,

00:22:18.900 anyone who celebrated abortion as some kind of sacrament, they were seen as radicals.

00:22:24.340 They were in the minority. In some ways, they still are in the minority, and yet they're the

00:22:28.600 loudest. They're the ones that are influencing corporate policy. They are the ones that are

00:22:31.880 influencing an entire political party and even members of the Republican Party. They are the

00:22:37.460 people who are dictating our cultural values, what someone gets canceled for, what they don't get

00:22:42.420 canceled for, what they get harassed for, what they don't get harassed for. So take a page out of

00:22:48.940 their book in the sense that you are recognizing that you don't have to be in the majority to make

00:22:54.580 a difference. You can be in the minority. But we're even more in the minority where we are, because

00:23:00.160 one, there are plenty of conservatives that don't agree with us as Christians on cultural,

00:23:05.680 social, moral issues. But also, all the institutions are against us. Every major global and national

00:23:13.640 institution is infected by left-wing ideology. And so we're not just up against a lot of people who

00:23:19.220 disagree with us. We are against major players that disagree with us on all of our fundamental

00:23:24.060 values. So that's intimidating. But I still don't think you have to be in the majority, or you have to

00:23:29.220 have a title, or you have to have a whole institution behind you to make a difference. But I will say

00:23:37.340 one thing you can't be to make a difference is alone. You also can't be complacent. You can't be

00:23:43.080 silent. You make another thing that we say, we love alliterations on this podcast, you make a

00:23:49.460 relentless, respectful ruckus for the things that matter. A respectful, relentless ruckus for the

00:23:56.400 things that matter. I know all of you keep telling me, put that on a t-shirt. We will, we will, we will.

00:24:02.040 We're working on that. Things, you know, sometimes it takes us a while to get onto the things that we

00:24:07.760 need to do. So we will, we will be making some merch with all of that. Another thing that we say,

00:24:12.420 we've got a lot of sayings that we come up with on the show. So you raise a respectful ruckus for

00:24:18.340 the things that matter, and you share the arrows with other people who are voicing an unpopular

00:24:23.480 opinion, or who are standing up for a value that you believe in, and they're catching flack for it,

00:24:28.380 rather than looking over at them and saying, wow, I'm glad that's not me.

00:24:32.460 Wow. Now I've learned my lesson. I won't speak up about that. I, I won't say that thing that's

00:24:37.660 controversial. Oh, they're telling that person she's divisive, that she needs to sit down,

00:24:41.840 that she needs to be quiet. All right. Then I'll do that too. No, that's cowardly. That's the last

00:24:47.800 thing we need right now. Are you kidding me? That's cowardly. You share arrows with them. You see that

00:24:54.280 girl getting harassed because she said that she believes, or that business owner, whoever it is,

00:24:58.760 that she believes that whatever it is, that marriage is between a man and a woman, or that

00:25:04.540 abortion is wrong, or that, hey, masks should be optional in school, whatever it is, she's catching

00:25:09.480 flack for it. She's getting harassed for it. She's getting put in harm's way because of it. The arrows,

00:25:14.660 the proverbial arrows are being thrown at her rather than, you know, hiding your face and just sending a

00:25:21.320 private message. Although I think that's really important. Personal and private encouragement in those

00:25:25.120 situations is really important. You stand up. All right. You stand up and you say, me too. Those arrows

00:25:31.440 that you're throwing at her, you can send them my way too. That's fine. I'll stand with her. That is

00:25:36.260 one way, and this is all under the umbrella of organization. That is one way that you can love

00:25:40.280 someone how you would want to be loved. That's some way that you can treat a person how you would

00:25:46.260 want to be treated. Wouldn't you want someone to stand up for you if you are getting unfairly

00:25:51.100 maligned or bullied because you stood up for something that you agree with? I can tell you

00:25:57.340 from experience that when we do that, it is a game changer. I can think of two examples of people,

00:26:04.420 and I'm not taking credit for this, is really you guys and not me. I was just the person who, like,

00:26:10.140 did the rallying cry, which is, you know, I'm not good at a lot of the things we're talking about.

00:26:15.280 Organization, execution. You guys are probably, but I'm not. I'm the rallying cry person and the

00:26:22.640 person that calls us to something. I like casting a vision and encouraging people and motivating

00:26:27.300 people. I am not the person that is going to organize and figure out the details and all of

00:26:33.660 that. So when I say this, I'm not patting myself on the back, but there are two examples that I can

00:26:39.160 think of when taking care of babies was being shellacked online because some troll found out

00:26:45.960 that her family had donated to Donald Trump. Rather than ignore it and say, you know, I don't

00:26:53.820 want to say anything about that because these people seem really vicious. I mean, they published

00:26:58.840 her content that you're supposed to pay for publicly online so that she would lose business. What a

00:27:06.480 horrible, horrible thing to do just because someone donated to the candidate that you don't

00:27:10.700 like, you psychopaths. But anyway, instead of not saying anything, we said something. I posted on

00:27:16.860 Instagram. I talked about it on this show and I said, look, she needs encouragement. You need to post

00:27:21.460 about how, if you've used her product, how it helped you, how maybe it changed your life for the

00:27:28.320 better. You need to send her private encouragement. Tell her to stand strong. Tell her not to apologize.

00:27:32.760 Tell her how much she means to you, how much her work matters. Encourage her both publicly

00:27:39.620 and privately. Can you do that? And guess what? Thousands of you did. And I can just tell you

00:27:46.000 from conversations that I've had with her, you have no idea how much that meant to her. You are the

00:27:53.320 reason why she did stand firm. And she stood firm in grace and in truth. She wasn't rude about it,

00:28:00.180 but she also didn't apologize for something that she's not sorry for. That's another thing we talk

00:28:04.760 about a lot. Never apologize for something that you are not sorry for that wasn't actually wrong.

00:28:11.280 Apologize when you are in the wrong for sure, but apologize to the right people, not just to the

00:28:15.840 people that are calling for your head because those people don't need or actually want your apology.

00:28:20.180 They just want you to be ruined. Apologize to the right people for the right things,

00:28:25.120 but don't apologize to the wrong people for the things that you are not sorry for.

00:28:28.420 She handled that perfectly. And it is because of you. You know why? Because courage begets courage.

00:28:33.420 Because when you share someone's arrows, that encourages the person who is on the front line,

00:28:37.740 who is taking the flack predominantly to keep standing up. And then everyone else stands up

00:28:42.660 and we say, fine, we'll take all of the arrows too. And then you know what happens? People start

00:28:48.020 moving forward. People start moving forward. And we say, we're not scared of you. You can't bully us.

00:28:52.960 You can't silence us. Now guess what? You're out of arrows. We took all the arrows. We stopped your

00:28:59.160 arrows. We've got our shields. And now we're going to push you back. That's what happens when you stand

00:29:03.780 up and share someone's arrows. And it starts with one person who is willing to take the flack for

00:29:07.680 something unpopular. And then you stand up with them. And then we march forward. So that is part

00:29:15.720 of organization. Second example that I have is Jack Phillips. Jack Phillips, the baker.

00:29:23.420 He refused to bake a cake for a gay wedding a long time ago now. I think it was 10 years ago now.

00:29:29.540 And he's been through all kinds of litigation, all kinds of court cases of people purposely targeting

00:29:35.200 him, harassing him, trying to get him to bake cakes that they know that he would not bake like a

00:29:43.240 transition cake and then suing him when he refuses. It's nasty. These activists are nasty. Absolutely

00:29:51.000 nasty. And of course, calling him hateful for simply standing by his values and being kind. And

00:29:56.920 they are just the nastiest and just depraved and demonic people, the activists who do things like

00:30:02.920 this. Well, a long time ago, 2017, we just started a GoFundMe for him because he was losing business.

00:30:10.240 There were legal fees in the beginning. And we people donated tons of money, tens of thousands

00:30:16.980 of dollars to him. And I never even talked to him personally. I didn't know him. I only met him

00:30:23.640 last year. And we were backstage at some event. I don't even remember what it was at this point.

00:30:30.720 And I met him for the first time. He shook my hand and he started crying. And he said,

00:30:36.600 you have no idea what that money and what that encouragement meant to me and my family when we

00:30:43.420 needed it, when we needed it most. I mean, that was several years ago. I hadn't even remembered it.

00:30:48.280 And this is a guy who's gotten a lot of support. And yet he remembered what we did, the support that

00:30:53.360 he got. And that made a difference in his life. That helped sustain him and helped him go on because

00:30:59.440 courage begets courage because you guys took the arrows and you risked your reputation. You risked your

00:31:05.120 name, maybe your safety by standing up for him and donating money. Guys, that makes a huge difference.

00:31:11.220 It makes a huge difference. So that's part of organization, sharing arrows for people, but also

00:31:17.060 organizing movements, pushback, speaking up, raising a respectful ruckus about the things that matter.

00:31:24.060 All right. Number five, you build. So you either transform the community or the school or the

00:31:32.700 company or organization that you are a part of by the organization strategy that we just talked about,

00:31:38.500 or you start a new school, a new company, you host a new conference, create a new organization,

00:31:42.780 a new movement that accomplishes what you want to see accomplished. This is part of not just standing

00:31:48.240 up to share the arrows, but now you march forward. Maybe you run for office. Maybe not. Maybe that's

00:31:54.140 not what God is calling you to. You're a stay-at-home mom right now. I don't think that's feasible. I'm

00:31:58.060 not calling you away from that. Depending on who you are, your stage of life, your ability, your time,

00:32:03.460 your talent to do something, maybe that's something that you consider, that you haven't considered

00:32:09.520 before. The point is, though, we don't just play defense. We play offense. This is just something

00:32:14.940 that I thought of because I know a lot of you are in midwifery or you're a doula, and that world has

00:32:20.680 become so incredibly woke. So many different doula organizations or companies or pages, whatever,

00:32:30.380 they say pregnant people. They won't say women. It's really sad. Well, maybe you start a midwifery or

00:32:37.040 a doula company that is outspokenly, unashamedly, unabashedly pro-woman. Build what you want to see

00:32:43.960 built. Another part of this last point that I kind of mentioned earlier, but vote good people in.

00:32:53.320 Not just something with an R by their name, but let us try to get behind effective people. That

00:32:59.900 doesn't mean that everyone that we vote for is going to be perfect because we're not voting for

00:33:04.440 Jesus, but let's vote for the most effective people that we can. All right. So those are my five

00:33:11.080 my five points. You polarize, you localize, you simplify, you organize, and you build.

00:33:16.160 I know that was generally specific, but as I said a few minutes ago, I don't have specific,

00:33:21.800 specific steps for you because for two reasons. One, I don't know your specific situation. And two,

00:33:28.200 execution is not my strength. My strength is in ideas and communication, big picture stuff,

00:33:32.320 encouragement, motivation, rallying, cry. But some of you are doers. You are executors. You are

00:33:38.100 organizers. The people who handle details that bring people together, that make the connections,

00:33:44.060 that make something actually happen. You know how to carry out a plan really well. You are so

00:33:48.880 desperately needed in this world, in the conservative world, if you will. I'm getting

00:33:56.080 increasingly uncomfortable with that word, and I'll talk about that in just one second. But

00:34:00.800 in the world of traditional values, especially in the Christian world, we need you to apply your

00:34:08.180 gifts to make a difference. Maybe you think, I think some people make this mistake of thinking

00:34:12.200 because they're not outspoken, because they don't have a podcast, because you don't have

00:34:17.360 some huge platform or you're not going viral on social media that maybe you can't make a difference

00:34:24.140 or God can't make an impact through you or you're not going to make as big of an impact as someone who

00:34:28.360 is in front of the camera. That is so not true. There are so many talents that we need. Like if

00:34:33.420 everyone were like me, if everyone was talking, nothing would ever get done. We would just be

00:34:39.260 talking all of the time. That's all I want to do really is communicate. But the doers are the people

00:34:46.200 who make the world go round. Yes, you need the people to make the rallying, crying, to motivate you

00:34:50.920 and to give you the tools to articulate things. Communication is really important. Ideas are really

00:34:55.840 important, but they're not what makes movements go forward. We need people like you, the behind

00:35:02.900 the scenes people who are far more important, honestly, who take these tips and you run with

00:35:09.140 them and you know exactly how to execute. We desperately need more organization on our side

00:35:14.080 of things. Now, will all of these things make a positive change ultimately? I don't know.

00:35:20.340 I don't know. I don't know if it's the end of the world. Therefore, things are just going to get

00:35:25.680 worse. Or maybe it's just the end of America, which doesn't mean that it's the end of the world.

00:35:29.560 Empires have risen and fallen for a long time. America is not necessarily special. It is a special

00:35:34.120 country, but it's not the exception to the rule. As I said yesterday, empires have fallen over much

00:35:40.340 less. There's been much less immorality and degeneracy in empires that have fallen because

00:35:48.380 of that than currently exists in America. So the empire of America may rise and fall and the world

00:35:55.080 could still keep turning. Now, I think that it's a frightening world, but it's possible. We are not.

00:36:01.980 The fate of America is not what biblical prophecy rises and falls on. I think we have to remember that.

00:36:07.720 It's easy to become America-centric or whatever country you live in, centric. But the fact of the

00:36:13.500 matter is, we're just people. We're just a civilization. And God is bigger than that. God is not American.

00:36:21.740 And so biblical prophecy is not American. Yes, of course, this country matters. It has been an incredible

00:36:27.200 beacon of liberty. But if America falls, the world may keep spinning. It will keep spinning.

00:36:33.240 So things could get worse. Or will things get better here before they get worse again? Or will

00:36:38.900 things get much worse and then better in 100 years? I don't know. The history of the world tells

00:36:43.580 us that any of these things are possibilities. And I know some people are saying, oh, no, it's

00:36:48.100 definitely the end of the world because wars and rumors of wars. Well, there have been wars and rumors

00:36:53.360 of wars and persecution and all kinds of hardship and dictatorship for thousands of years in different

00:36:58.140 ways. So I don't know if we are in the end times. I bet a lot of generations of Christians have

00:37:02.560 thought they were in the end times because things are really bad. So maybe we are, maybe not.

00:37:07.800 No matter what, though. Here's the thing. No matter what, though, we are called to obedience.

00:37:12.820 We aren't called to just sit on our hands and just wait to die or for Jesus to come back. Yes,

00:37:18.860 we are called to be expected of Jesus's return, but we're not supposed to do nothing until then.

00:37:23.840 We are called to make the most of this life by glorifying God. So that's ultimately what we seek

00:37:29.720 more than anything to glorify God in what we do. That's the ultimate goal. It's not to change the

00:37:34.400 culture that we hope to do so. It's not to save the country that we hope to do so. It's to glorify

00:37:39.580 God. We glorify God in lots of ways by praying, reading his word, worshiping him, sharing the

00:37:44.720 gospel, simply doing our moment by moment work with excellence, loving our spouse and kids,

00:37:48.880 using the gift that he has given us to build up our fellow Christians and to make the spheres that he

00:37:53.280 has placed us in better. And that can change the culture. That can. Maybe it won't, but it can.

00:38:01.880 When it comes to political issues and making change culturally, we are probably going to

00:38:06.640 have things in common. And this goes back to kind of what I was saying a second ago,

00:38:12.440 how I'm just uncomfortable, like with this word conservative, because I don't even know what it

00:38:16.440 means anymore. But so in fighting the cultural and political battles, which I do think are

00:38:22.900 important, they have their place, they're, you know, secondary and tertiary, but they do have

00:38:26.720 their place again, because people matter, because we're supposed to make the spheres that we occupy

00:38:31.540 better. And that includes getting involved in politics and what the world calls culture wars,

00:38:36.800 but are actually just biblical issues for the Christian, all that. That means we're going to have

00:38:40.980 things in common with people who are not Christians. We may share some of the same goals.

00:38:46.200 We may work together. For example, I have talked to, worked with, communicated with feminists,

00:38:51.540 who I really disagree on, on a lot of important things, but we agree on sex-separated spaces for

00:38:56.900 women. So we may link arms together when it comes to getting a particular person in office or

00:39:01.700 having a change made in a particular organization that is going to benefit children, that's going to

00:39:07.720 benefit women, the people that I think that we should care for. But ultimately, ultimately,

00:39:15.880 and y'all know, there's been some things that have gone on this week that I really have to,

00:39:19.440 I have to emphasize this. Ultimately, our identity and belonging is not found in fellow conservatives

00:39:27.540 or in anti-woke liberals or whomever, because I am continually reminded that at the end of the day,

00:39:33.280 while I love a lot of people in these groups that we agree with on a lot of political and

00:39:37.100 cultural issues, ultimately, we do not stand in the same place. We are on two totally different

00:39:41.800 planes with two totally different worldviews. We agree on a lot, on a lot of important things.

00:39:48.000 But man, I, and probably most, not all of you, are way more conservative. Just own this. You're

00:39:54.660 way more conservative than the average person who calls themselves a conservative. Because I believe

00:39:59.840 that an essential part of conservatism is conserving the foundation of any functioning free

00:40:04.680 society, which is the nuclear family, mom, dad, kids, and a lot of conservatives, people who call

00:40:09.860 themselves conservatives don't really think that that's important. I would argue not that I am any

00:40:14.580 some, I'm not some kind of gatekeeper. I'm not trying to be that at all. But it's really hard to imagine

00:40:20.160 how you are going to get any other conservative win if you are ignoring the foundation of any

00:40:29.160 functioning and free society. When I hear Christians say that they don't fit into either

00:40:35.180 political party because they're too liberal for conservatives or they're too conservative for

00:40:39.600 liberals, I always think that's weird. Because I'm like, well, I feel like I don't fit into any

00:40:43.900 political party either. But it's not because I'm a moderate. I don't have any liberal views. It's

00:40:48.900 actually because what the Bible says about at least social and cultural issues is far more conservative

00:40:55.980 than what any political party represents today. And I mean conservative in the sense that it's far

00:41:01.960 more traditional. What the Bible says about life inside the womb and marriage and gender and even

00:41:09.300 the role of the state, that's far more conservative and traditional than what either party says today.

00:41:17.760 I am more conservative than the average conservative because I don't believe that you can get any tenet of

00:41:22.980 a conservative free society without God, a biblical standard of justice and morality, marriage and

00:41:27.460 the nuclear family. And I've realized that most people, again, who identify as conservatives today

00:41:32.480 really don't care about that. In a few years, they'll be making the conservative case for men being able

00:41:37.980 to use girls' bathrooms and they'll say it's a celebration of individual liberty or something like

00:41:41.840 that. So I am actually thankful though for their helpful reminder from time to time that my

00:41:47.720 allegiance, that your allegiance as a Christian is not to any political party or political movement or

00:41:52.300 culture war. Thank God for that because they're so transient. My allegiance is to Christ and his

00:41:57.680 church. My standard is not the modern American conservative standard, which is basically just

00:42:01.840 championing whatever liberals championed 10 years ago. My standard is what God says is good and right

00:42:07.380 and true. Jesus Christ, Hebrews 13, 8, is the same yesterday, today and forever. What a steadfast anchor.

00:42:13.580 Thank God for that. I'd love for people to agree with that, to get on board with that, and for society to

00:42:19.980 change based on that, of course. But short of another great awakening, it ain't happening. That

00:42:25.560 kind of change requires heart change. That requires an exchange of the God of self or the God of

00:42:30.020 scripture. And that is totally possible, by the way. It's totally possible. God can do that. He can use

00:42:35.880 Christians to do that. He can use us to do that. But short of massive repentance, which probably would

00:42:40.480 be brought on, unfortunately, by intense massive hardship, it ain't happening. You can't build the house

00:42:46.680 without a foundation. Conservatism without God is a house built on sand, which is why if people are

00:42:53.660 using conservative to just mean being anti-woke without having any kind of foundation of objective

00:42:59.640 morality or definitions of what things are, then I'm not a part of it. Like, I don't care about that.

00:43:05.540 And people will say, well, you know, it's important that we just kind of like put those disagreements to

00:43:09.440 the side because we've got to win the culture war or we've got to get this person elected to office.

00:43:13.360 And look, I care about those things, but ultimately I don't. Does that make sense? I care about those

00:43:20.160 things in one sense because policy matters, but I also don't because I care more about being obedient

00:43:25.540 because I don't answer to any political party. I answer to God and I care more about being a good

00:43:33.820 and faithful servant of God than I do being a good and faithful Republican. And so, yeah, I'm willing

00:43:42.600 to, I guess, be divisive and detach from certain movements if it means celebrating what God celebrates,

00:43:51.080 loving what God loves, saying what God says is wrong is wrong. Like, I guess I'm willing to make

00:43:59.200 those distinctions. And of course, you know, it saddens me in some ways that so few people seem

00:44:06.460 to recognize that, but it's a good reminder of whose we are, of ultimately where we belong,

00:44:11.160 what we are here for, who our true people are, where our hope lies. It's not in any politician

00:44:15.460 or political outcome. And so let's just keep that in mind and remember the God that we serve.

00:44:24.880 Our purpose and our hope is in Christ. That means that we simply do the next right thing in faith.

00:44:29.540 We trust in God. We trust that he is bigger than inflation or corruption or dictators or centralized

00:44:36.220 digital currencies or the World Economic Forum. He's not threatened by these things. He's not

00:44:42.320 wondering how things are going to shake out. He's not waiting for things to unfold. He sees all of it

00:44:47.900 and nothing happens outside of his ultimate control. Yes, people disobey his moral will,

00:44:54.880 but nothing happens outside of his sovereign will. As R.C. Sproul said, there are no maverick

00:45:02.080 molecules in the universe. Matthew 10, 29 through 31. Are not two sparrows sold for a penny? And not

00:45:09.760 one of them will fall to the ground apart from your father. But even the hairs of your head are all

00:45:14.260 numbered. Fear not, therefore, you are of more value than many sparrows. Not even a sparrow. Two

00:45:22.600 sparrows are sold for a penny. And not even one of them falls to the ground apart from the knowledge

00:45:29.320 and the will of God. So that means, can't you see that even bigger things, things that involve

00:45:35.020 us, the people that he cares about that are made in his image, Christians who have been purchased by

00:45:40.160 his blood, that nothing can happen to us outside of his sovereign will either. Psalm 65 is an

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00:47:03.360 Okay, so Psalm 65. I read this this morning, and I was just encouraged by it. The whole chapter is

00:47:09.540 great, but let me read you just verses 5 through 8. By awesome deeds, you answer us with righteousness,

00:47:16.320 O God of our salvation, the hope of all the ends of the earth and of the farthest seas,

00:47:21.260 the one who by his strength established the mountains, being girded with might, who stills the

00:47:26.560 roaring of the seas, the roaring of their waves, the tumul of the peoples, so that those who dwell

00:47:31.940 at the end of the earth are in awe at your signs. You make the going out of the morning and the evening

00:47:37.740 to shout for joy. We serve a completely sovereign and awesome and powerful God. There are so many

00:47:45.320 Psalms that speak to this. There's also Psalm 37, which I've read to you so many times. Let me just

00:47:51.140 read you a couple verses from that. Fret not yourself, verse 1 says, because of evildoers.

00:47:55.960 Fret not yourself because of evildoers. Wow, I have to remind myself of that so much.

00:48:00.020 Be not envious of wrongdoers, for they will soon fade like the grass and wither like the green herb.

00:48:05.340 Trust in the Lord and do good. Dwell in the land and befriend faithfulness. There's so much in that

00:48:11.080 chapter that I encourage you to go read. Let me just read one more, one more, one more passage,

00:48:16.480 and that's Ephesians 6. If you were raised in the church, you are familiar with this passage.

00:48:22.960 Let me just read you at least part of it. Again, I could read the whole thing, but that might take

00:48:28.480 too long because we've run out of time. But go read, I would say, all of Ephesians. But man,

00:48:34.380 Ephesians 6, verses 10 through 20 is really, it's inspiring. It is empowering in the best,

00:48:40.960 most biblical way.

00:48:41.760 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God that

00:48:47.140 you may be able to stand against the schemes of Satan, or actually it says of the devil. I don't

00:48:52.580 know why my mind did that. The schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and

00:48:56.820 blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this

00:49:00.680 present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the

00:49:06.320 whole armor of God that you may be able to withstand in the evil day and having done all

00:49:11.580 to stand firm. So you fasten the belt of truth, the breastplate of righteousness, the shoes of

00:49:19.100 readiness given by the gospel of peace. Take up the shield of faith and take up the helmet

00:49:26.100 of salvation, the sword of the spirit, which is the word of God. Praying at all times within the

00:49:30.540 spirit with all prayer and supplication. Keep alert. This goes back to the Ephesians 5 verse that we read

00:49:35.500 at the beginning. Keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints. That also

00:49:40.600 goes to caring first and foremost for the people who are in the church. And also for me, Paul says,

00:49:47.720 that words may be given me to open my mouth boldly, to proclaim the mystery of the gospel for which I am,

00:49:54.100 we are, all of us as Christians, an ambassador in chains that I may declare it boldly as we ought to

00:49:59.880 speak. May we declare the gospel boldly as we ought to speak. And a reminder of what I said in the

00:50:06.380 interview with Beckett Cook, please go listen to it. Some of you said that it was your favorite

00:50:09.980 episode that we've ever done, which is just amazing. I love the testimony of believers.

00:50:15.980 One thing that we mentioned, though, is in being full of grace and truth, which we are called to be

00:50:20.920 as Christians because God, Jesus, was described as being full of grace and truth. Stephen was also

00:50:27.220 described as being filled with grace and truth. That does not mean the reception to what you're

00:50:32.840 saying is going to be good. You cannot judge your obedience and the rightness of what you are doing

00:50:39.080 by people's reaction. Because guess what? Jesus was full of grace and truth. He was crucified.

00:50:44.680 Now, of course, we know that he was crucified ultimately to fulfill prophecy. And that was God's

00:50:49.260 plan of redemption for us. Wow, how loving and amazing is he that God sent his only son to die on the

00:50:54.400 cross for our sin that we might be reconciled to him. Jesus took on the sin and the punishment that

00:50:59.800 we deserved. He made him, God made him to be no sin. So who knew no sin to be sin so that we might

00:51:08.320 become the righteousness of God. That's what happened when Jesus died on the cross. And of course,

00:51:13.600 he was raised again, defeating sin and death forever. So we could do the same. Wow, what an amazing,

00:51:20.660 amazing gospel. What amazingly good news. So that's what we cling to. And I kind of went on a trail there

00:51:30.140 and I forgot what I said in the beginning. But that is what we cling to. That is the gospel that we have

00:51:37.480 hope in. That is where our identity lies. That is where our purpose is. That is what motivates us to

00:51:45.180 obedience. And yes, by declaring that gospel. Oh, now I remember what I was saying. By declaring that

00:51:52.160 gospel, by being full of grace and truth as Jesus was, as Stephen was. Remember, both of their fates

00:52:00.780 were execution. And both of their fates were people hating them. That does not mean that what you're

00:52:08.580 saying is not good and right and true. You can be as gracious as possible. Stephen was insanely

00:52:13.080 gracious. Jesus was insanely gracious, but they never sacrificed or compromised on the truth at

00:52:18.320 all. And that got them killed. So for all the people who say, you know, your message isn't being

00:52:25.660 received to you. Maybe they're saying this to you because you're not saying it in the right way.

00:52:31.040 You're not caveating enough. You're not being soft enough. You're not giving in enough. Your tone

00:52:36.620 isn't just quite right. That's why. Well, I mean, maybe sure, we can work on the effectiveness of

00:52:43.440 our communication. But at the end of the day, people don't hate your tone. Ultimately, people

00:52:49.080 hate truth. People who hate truth, hate truth. And that means they're going to hate you. So yes,

00:52:53.700 we can be as kind as possible, as gracious as possible in our speech. But people who hate truth

00:52:59.240 are going to hate you. So let the indication of your obedience be whether or not it aligns with God's

00:53:06.260 word, not with how popular you are, not with how people receive it. Let us pray for the wisdom to

00:53:11.080 do that in love and in kindness, but boldly. And that's where we are. That's our hope. And so I hope

00:53:19.060 that motivates you. I hope that's a good episode to end on. This week, tonight, I've got an episode

00:53:25.720 coming out with Alex Clark on her podcast, The Spillover. We're talking about the dark side of

00:53:31.100 the maternity birth industry. And I might talk about even more of that and some things that I

00:53:37.160 found not just through my experiences, but through my research on Monday. And so we might talk about

00:53:43.600 that. It depends on what you guys want to hear about what happens over the weekend. But I have

00:53:47.260 more that I want to say. But definitely tune into that on The Spillover tonight or tomorrow. And then

00:53:52.880 also, I will be on the Unashamed podcast. That's where I was on Monday. I was in Louisiana with Phil

00:53:57.900 Robertson, Al Robertson, not all the Robertsons, but some of the Robertsons. And we were recording

00:54:03.280 an awesome conversation that I know that you guys are going to love. That should be out tomorrow on

00:54:07.680 Friday. So make sure you tune into their podcast, YouTube, wherever you listen to your podcast.

00:54:11.920 Or I think it's also on Blaze TV slash Unashamed because we do have a bonus segment that can only

00:54:16.920 be for subscribers on Blaze TV slash Unashamed. So make sure that you check that out. And if you love

00:54:23.380 this podcast, please leave us a five star review on Apple Podcasts, on Spotify, subscribe on YouTube

00:54:28.080 if you haven't already. All right, I will see you back here on Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 17, 2022

Ep 584 ｜ How to Reverse (or Outlast) America’s Collapse

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