Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 591 ｜ Race-Baiters to White Women： 'Shut Up'

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00:00:24.760 All right, guys.

00:00:26.040 Today we are talking about white women,

00:00:28.720 the white women of Instagram.

00:00:31.460 And we are going to be talking about their response

00:00:35.800 and the shutdown of their response

00:00:37.980 to the Will Smith slap.

00:00:40.060 And look, I know everyone and their mom

00:00:42.220 has been analyzing the Will Smith slap.

00:00:44.060 We already talked about it.

00:00:45.340 I'm not gonna get into it.

00:00:46.500 If you don't know, Will Smith got up on stage

00:00:48.520 and slapped Chris Rock at the Oscars

00:00:50.920 after Chris Rock made a joke about Will Smith's wife,

00:00:53.880 who is bald because she has alopecia.

00:00:56.020 So whatever you think of that,

00:00:57.180 I've already told you what I think of that.

00:01:00.600 A lot of people have different reactions.

00:01:03.340 There's a wide range of reactions.

00:01:05.780 And at first, I even tweeted this.

00:01:07.160 I thought it was falling along left-right lines.

00:01:09.580 Like leftists were defending Will Smith, strangely.

00:01:12.760 And then conservatives were defending Chris Rock

00:01:16.060 on the basis of free speech.

00:01:17.280 But really, I've seen a lot of different reactions.

00:01:19.960 And what we are now being told

00:01:22.640 is that white people's reactions are not legitimate.

00:01:26.400 Specifically, white women's reactions are not legitimate.

00:01:29.700 So I'm going to get to some posts that say that

00:01:33.720 and some white women who got slam dunked

00:01:36.920 by race-baiting activists like Beth Moore

00:01:40.120 and Glennon Doyle and who were told to submit

00:01:42.780 and to bend a knee and to take back what you said

00:01:45.400 or think harder about what you said or whatever.

00:01:47.260 And we're going to talk about their response

00:01:49.460 and what that all means.

00:01:50.400 But let me read you some headlines

00:01:53.000 that talk about this so you can understand

00:01:55.680 what I'm talking about.

00:01:57.440 So The Guardian,

00:01:58.580 white outrage about Will Smith's slap

00:02:00.660 is rooted in anti-blackness.

00:02:02.520 It's inequality in plain sight.

00:02:05.000 And yes, I am reading this in a mocking tone

00:02:07.220 because I think that that is absolutely justified.

00:02:11.900 Forbes, while talking about Will Smith's behavior,

00:02:14.220 don't forget to also talk about the system

00:02:16.440 that helped create it.

00:02:18.600 Of course, the white supremacist system.

00:02:22.240 The Atlantic by Jemele Hill.

00:02:24.960 She says the two Americans debating Will Smith

00:02:26.900 and Chris Rock, black people and white people

00:02:29.360 aren't necessarily discussing the Oscar slap

00:02:32.920 in the same way.

00:02:35.680 The independent Fox News host blasted for racist comments

00:02:38.740 on the Will Smith Oscars fallout.

00:02:40.940 And that is Jesse Waters saying that,

00:02:45.240 oh, this is the first time that he has seen the media

00:02:47.540 cover black on black crime.

00:02:49.900 So lots of headlines about this.

00:02:52.820 And there are some people tweeting about it as well.

00:02:57.460 There was this tweet that I saw and I was like,

00:03:00.120 okay, this is just one person.

00:03:01.840 Surely this is just one person.

00:03:03.400 Covey Biakolo said,

00:03:05.960 just a note to white people

00:03:07.400 that what happened between Will, Jada, and Chris

00:03:10.140 is black folks business.

00:03:12.020 Tread lightly.

00:03:13.080 That was just one of the many of the many posts I saw.

00:03:16.140 There were several posts on Instagram

00:03:17.320 that were saying the same thing,

00:03:19.140 that white people, white women

00:03:20.560 shouldn't be talking about this.

00:03:22.080 I saw one person say,

00:03:23.580 white women are committing violence

00:03:25.380 against black women in a variety of ways

00:03:28.000 on a daily basis.

00:03:29.100 So they can't talk about that.

00:03:30.140 I'm sorry, that's objectively not true.

00:03:31.840 That's just factually inaccurate.

00:03:33.580 If you'll get any crime statistics at all,

00:03:36.240 that is just factually untrue.

00:03:37.980 Now there is a group actually perpetuating violence

00:03:41.040 against black women.

00:03:42.820 It ain't white women.

00:03:43.920 Okay.

00:03:44.340 So again, like if we're going to have these conversations,

00:03:47.080 let's at least be factual

00:03:48.580 and let us be truthful about these things

00:03:52.200 or else we're never going to get

00:03:54.000 to any kind of productive place.

00:03:56.080 But they're shutting down conversation

00:03:57.940 and they're saying,

00:03:58.980 what they're saying,

00:03:59.780 what this Covey person is saying

00:04:00.960 is that you are not qualified

00:04:02.400 because of the color of your skin

00:04:04.080 to commentate on this particular issue.

00:04:06.540 She said, this is black folks business.

00:04:08.560 Okay.

00:04:08.980 What if, what if two different,

00:04:11.380 two different things here,

00:04:13.020 two different ways you could see this.

00:04:14.680 One way you could see it is,

00:04:15.780 well, actually, no,

00:04:17.200 it's not anyone's business.

00:04:18.660 It's not your business.

00:04:19.740 Like you're not entitled to someone's business

00:04:22.000 just because they share your skin color.

00:04:23.840 Like you are just connected.

00:04:25.780 You random person,

00:04:26.880 you're just as connected

00:04:28.400 to Chris Rock and Will Smith as I am.

00:04:31.040 Like you don't have any other,

00:04:33.100 any further connection

00:04:34.720 or any entitlement to their business

00:04:37.760 any more than I do

00:04:38.900 or anyone else does.

00:04:39.980 So maybe it's not black folks business.

00:04:41.720 Maybe it's just their business

00:04:43.240 and they can handle that.

00:04:45.380 Or here's another perspective

00:04:47.180 is that it's all of our business

00:04:49.980 because we all watched it.

00:04:51.420 Like we share a country,

00:04:53.420 we share a society,

00:04:54.720 we share a Hollywood,

00:04:57.080 we share a culture.

00:04:59.060 And so we all saw the clip.

00:05:01.240 We all saw the clip.

00:05:02.620 It's an indication of where our society is.

00:05:06.780 We all get to commentate on the Oscars.

00:05:09.160 We do.

00:05:09.640 We all get to commentate

00:05:10.980 on the celebrities

00:05:13.160 that we have patronized for years

00:05:15.580 and what they say and what they do.

00:05:18.120 We get to have thoughts about those things

00:05:19.980 and we get to say those thoughts.

00:05:22.140 I'm sorry,

00:05:22.600 but we're not going to segregate our commentary

00:05:24.940 just because you random blue check mark on Twitter

00:05:28.360 say that we have to.

00:05:30.640 White women, white men,

00:05:32.960 whoever,

00:05:33.920 Hispanic men and women,

00:05:35.480 Asian men and women,

00:05:36.440 black men and women

00:05:37.540 have equal qualifications

00:05:40.800 in talking about something like this.

00:05:43.560 We all saw it.

00:05:45.000 It affects all of us.

00:05:46.780 We do not have to self-censor

00:05:48.340 just because one group says

00:05:49.980 that we have to self-censor.

00:05:51.300 All right.

00:05:52.880 And so if you are someone who feels like,

00:05:56.480 oh, I can't talk about something

00:05:58.100 because it was an interaction

00:05:59.840 between two black people.

00:06:01.840 Look, you have already given in

00:06:04.340 to their shame tactics

00:06:06.000 and you got to stop

00:06:07.940 because they do not have the authority

00:06:10.200 to tell you what you can and cannot say,

00:06:12.400 what you can and cannot do.

00:06:14.160 Now, you may choose not to comment on something

00:06:16.740 because you don't want to comment on it

00:06:18.560 or you could think that you don't have

00:06:20.600 enough insight into a particular situation.

00:06:23.460 You need to know more.

00:06:24.360 You need to be more educated about something

00:06:26.400 or you just don't want to comment on it

00:06:27.800 because you don't,

00:06:28.740 you just don't feel like you have anything productive to say.

00:06:31.320 Those are all legitimate reasons.

00:06:33.000 Or you don't say something

00:06:34.480 because it's not a godly thing to say.

00:06:36.200 Of course, we bridle our tongues

00:06:37.780 in all kinds of situations.

00:06:39.020 I'm not talking about recklessness

00:06:40.560 or a lack of self-control.

00:06:42.500 Well, in what we say,

00:06:44.320 I am saying if you do have something productive to add,

00:06:47.780 if you have a thought,

00:06:49.100 if you have an insight,

00:06:51.100 then you are allowed to say it.

00:06:53.160 You are not disqualified

00:06:54.380 because these random people who,

00:06:56.540 again, who have no authority over you whatsoever,

00:07:00.100 say that you can't say it

00:07:02.020 because of the color of your skin.

00:07:03.240 That is racist.

00:07:04.460 That is.

00:07:05.040 I mean, that is a form of racial discrimination.

00:07:07.980 Saying that you are not qualified

00:07:09.560 or that you can't say something

00:07:11.200 because you don't have quite enough melanin.

00:07:13.500 I'm sorry, but no.

00:07:15.260 There are a lot of people

00:07:16.400 of a lot of different skin colors

00:07:17.600 that like Will Smith,

00:07:18.920 that like Chris Rock,

00:07:20.180 that watched the Oscars

00:07:21.360 and they get to say something.

00:07:24.320 But some people,

00:07:26.380 unfortunately,

00:07:27.440 some white women,

00:07:29.820 they so quickly kowtow

00:07:32.240 to the race-baiting mob

00:07:35.440 that they end up sounding like hostages.

00:07:38.880 And I'm going to give you an example of that.

00:07:43.260 Okay, so Glennon Doyle.

00:07:45.540 If you don't know who Glennon Doyle is,

00:07:47.580 she was a one-time Christian mommy blogger.

00:07:52.720 That is what she was originally known as.

00:07:54.720 She talked a lot about her marriage

00:07:56.040 and how she was fighting for her marriage.

00:07:58.220 And she wrote a book.

00:07:59.420 I think it was titled Love Warrior

00:08:01.060 about fighting for her marriage

00:08:02.580 after he had an affair.

00:08:04.440 But then she ended up separating from her husband

00:08:08.100 and marrying a woman,

00:08:10.020 the soccer player named Abby Wambach.

00:08:12.060 And I don't think that she even considers herself

00:08:14.840 a Christian anymore.

00:08:15.940 I don't believe.

00:08:17.420 And she basically just writes about self-empowerment

00:08:21.200 and self-focus

00:08:22.140 and putting yourself first.

00:08:25.280 Untamed is her latest book.

00:08:28.300 And it's the exact opposite of everything

00:08:31.000 that we talk about on this show

00:08:32.460 and the exact opposite of my book.

00:08:34.580 But it makes people feel good temporarily,

00:08:36.360 which is why it's so popular.

00:08:38.540 So she tweeted,

00:08:40.480 and then she posted on Instagram,

00:08:42.380 violence is never proof of love.

00:08:44.680 That's a deadly idea

00:08:45.560 that has fueled an excuse,

00:08:46.860 domestic and all violence for far too long.

00:08:49.180 Think hard about that take, please.

00:08:52.680 So tweeted that, posted it on Instagram.

00:08:55.140 It got almost, at least at the time that I screenshot it,

00:08:58.880 like 153,000 likes,

00:09:00.860 which is a ton for Instagram.

00:09:02.560 And so obviously a lot of people agreed with that.

00:09:05.920 I think that there's some truth to that.

00:09:09.240 I think there's a lot of truth to it.

00:09:11.220 I don't know if that's always true.

00:09:12.340 I do think that there is violence,

00:09:14.480 like in a justified war,

00:09:16.500 that does indicate, for example,

00:09:18.680 a soldier's love for his country.

00:09:20.100 So I don't know if this statement

00:09:21.460 is necessarily true across the board,

00:09:23.180 but that really is irrelevant

00:09:25.480 to what I'm going to say.

00:09:27.120 The point is she thought it.

00:09:28.580 She had this genuine thought.

00:09:30.260 It's certainly not the worst thing

00:09:31.520 that she's ever said.

00:09:32.960 And she put it out there.

00:09:35.080 Well, she changed her caption later

00:09:39.000 to say this.

00:09:41.640 I don't know what the caption originally said.

00:09:43.360 By the time I saw the caption

00:09:44.620 on the Instagram post,

00:09:46.900 it had been changed to this.

00:09:48.360 Update.

00:09:49.440 Hello.

00:09:49.760 Since I posted this,

00:09:51.620 many black women I respect

00:09:53.140 have told me that as a white woman,

00:09:54.820 this is not my conversation to have,

00:09:56.860 that there is much about tonight

00:09:58.220 that I don't understand,

00:09:59.460 that I should sit this out and listen.

00:10:01.300 So that is what I am going to do.

00:10:03.160 I've also been asked to leave this post up

00:10:05.720 in order to preserve the labor

00:10:07.120 of those who took the time

00:10:10.720 to educate and expand

00:10:12.040 the conversation in the comments.

00:10:14.120 Guys, not everything is labor.

00:10:17.900 Not everything you do is labor.

00:10:20.380 Not all conversations are labor.

00:10:22.240 Not all talking is labor.

00:10:24.580 Not all energy that you expend is labor.

00:10:27.820 So that's just a side note.

00:10:29.240 So this caption to me

00:10:30.580 reads like a hostage situation.

00:10:33.100 I don't even know if she fully agrees

00:10:34.620 with what she said,

00:10:35.600 but she is,

00:10:36.940 without totally apologizing,

00:10:38.560 she is obviously acquiescing.

00:10:40.280 She is stepping out of a conversation

00:10:41.760 that she obviously at first felt like

00:10:43.920 she was qualified to be a part of,

00:10:46.980 but now she doesn't

00:10:47.860 because a few black women

00:10:49.160 apparently told her

00:10:49.940 that she doesn't understand it.

00:10:51.760 Guys, this ain't that deep.

00:10:53.940 This is two men,

00:10:55.460 one guy who apparently

00:10:57.420 gets madder about a joke

00:11:00.900 than he does about his wife

00:11:03.160 openly sleeping with other men.

00:11:04.920 Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith

00:11:06.660 have an open marriage

00:11:07.920 and he slapped the guy

00:11:09.920 who made a joke about his wife.

00:11:11.960 Now, maybe there are

00:11:12.700 other perspectives here,

00:11:14.180 but as I said,

00:11:15.620 everyone who saw it

00:11:16.640 is qualified to talk about it.

00:11:18.340 It's not that complex, guys.

00:11:21.400 Like, this is about violence.

00:11:23.840 If it is justified,

00:11:25.720 if the context

00:11:27.200 was the right context.

00:11:28.260 Of course, I don't think

00:11:29.360 that the context

00:11:29.920 was the right context at all.

00:11:32.200 And we are absolutely

00:11:35.160 okay to bring up

00:11:38.540 what we think about it.

00:11:40.260 It ain't that deep, guys.

00:11:41.980 It ain't that deep.

00:11:43.620 And so I almost feel bad

00:11:45.120 for Glennon Doyle a little bit,

00:11:46.480 except I don't.

00:11:48.140 Because she put herself

00:11:49.320 in this position.

00:11:50.980 Because you'll never be woke enough.

00:11:53.220 You'll never be woke enough.

00:11:55.020 You'll never say

00:11:55.980 all the right things.

00:11:56.860 You're always going

00:11:57.660 to be apologizing.

00:11:58.640 And I know people say,

00:11:59.540 well, that's just growth.

00:12:01.000 That's just, you know,

00:12:02.460 when you know better,

00:12:03.580 you do better.

00:12:04.500 That's just sanctification.

00:12:06.300 Maybe some people will say,

00:12:07.140 no, it's not.

00:12:08.120 No, it's not.

00:12:08.960 It's chipping away

00:12:10.340 at your ability

00:12:12.020 to say anything

00:12:13.220 at any time.

00:12:15.400 You are constantly

00:12:17.560 going to be

00:12:19.100 whittled down

00:12:20.240 into nothing

00:12:21.400 until the only thing

00:12:22.600 that you can say

00:12:23.560 is a regurgitation

00:12:25.820 of what your masters

00:12:28.100 tell you that you can say.

00:12:30.460 And so this is not growth.

00:12:31.840 This is not bravery.

00:12:33.220 This is not maturity.

00:12:34.400 This is fear.

00:12:35.840 Have the courage

00:12:36.820 to stand by

00:12:37.840 what you think

00:12:38.580 and what you said.

00:12:40.540 And if someone tells you,

00:12:42.240 no matter what

00:12:42.700 their skin color is,

00:12:43.980 that, hey,

00:12:44.780 you don't have the authority

00:12:45.780 to talk about that.

00:12:47.140 Shut up.

00:12:47.940 Submit to me,

00:12:48.720 basically.

00:12:49.860 Apologize.

00:12:51.500 Consider it.

00:12:52.420 Consider what they say.

00:12:53.560 Consider their pushback.

00:12:55.240 But if you believe

00:12:56.320 what you said

00:12:57.120 and you are not

00:12:59.260 sorry for it,

00:13:00.200 then you continue

00:13:01.160 to stand up

00:13:01.980 and you say,

00:13:03.400 no, actually,

00:13:04.700 you know,

00:13:05.220 thanks for sharing,

00:13:06.640 but I don't think

00:13:07.180 I am going to take that down.

00:13:09.000 No, I don't think

00:13:09.940 I am going to apologize.

00:13:11.100 And quite frankly,

00:13:11.760 I don't like your tone.

00:13:13.080 Quite frankly,

00:13:13.840 I don't like that you think

00:13:14.820 that you have the authority

00:13:15.680 to tell me what to say

00:13:16.840 and not to say.

00:13:18.080 So I believe what I said.

00:13:19.580 I think Glennon Doyle

00:13:20.420 still believes what she said.

00:13:22.240 And I don't care

00:13:23.080 the color of people's skin.

00:13:24.820 What I said is true

00:13:25.800 or I believe

00:13:26.480 what I said is true.

00:13:27.120 I'm going to keep it up

00:13:28.020 and I'm not going to apologize.

00:13:30.680 That's courage.

00:13:31.960 That's maturity

00:13:32.960 to stop apologizing

00:13:35.160 for the things

00:13:35.720 that you're not sorry for,

00:13:36.840 to stand by the words

00:13:38.240 that you actually meant to say.

00:13:39.900 That's maturity.

00:13:42.020 So Beth Moore

00:13:43.640 has found herself

00:13:44.980 in a similar situation.

00:13:47.700 She said,

00:13:49.080 which I know

00:13:49.880 she was trying to be snarky,

00:13:51.240 which again,

00:13:51.620 she's put herself

00:13:52.320 in this situation

00:13:53.120 of constantly having

00:13:54.160 to kowtow

00:13:55.200 to people who are

00:13:56.060 woker than her.

00:13:57.500 She said,

00:13:58.180 that was scarier

00:13:59.000 than a Southern Baptist convention.

00:14:00.920 So she's trying to make a joke.

00:14:02.180 She left the Southern Baptist convention.

00:14:04.700 A lot of it had to do with,

00:14:07.020 I think it probably had to do

00:14:08.360 with Southern Baptist

00:14:09.320 support of Donald Trump,

00:14:10.300 but it also had to do

00:14:11.100 with a lot of criticism

00:14:11.860 towards her preaching

00:14:13.600 because she preaches

00:14:15.400 and teaches

00:14:16.160 in front of men,

00:14:19.340 particularly in a pulpit.

00:14:20.800 And so she, of course,

00:14:22.880 has been very offended

00:14:24.540 and disenchanted

00:14:26.900 because of some

00:14:29.300 of the words

00:14:29.800 of the people,

00:14:30.920 I guess,

00:14:31.200 in leadership

00:14:31.720 or just who are a part

00:14:32.840 of the Southern Baptist convention.

00:14:34.780 Maybe some of her feelings

00:14:35.840 are justified.

00:14:37.400 Maybe not.

00:14:38.040 But she doesn't like

00:14:38.800 the Southern Baptist convention.

00:14:40.880 And so she said

00:14:41.700 that was scarier

00:14:42.380 than a Southern Baptist convention.

00:14:44.500 And then Lisa Harper.

00:14:46.480 Not,

00:14:46.840 there's two Lisa Harpers.

00:14:48.440 There's a Lisa Harper.

00:14:50.020 I don't really,

00:14:50.700 she's a Christian author,

00:14:52.000 but this Lisa Harper,

00:14:52.800 she's got like pronouns

00:14:53.800 in her profile.

00:14:55.060 I think she also considers herself

00:14:56.940 a Christian author,

00:14:59.180 but she's like very

00:15:00.440 unabashedly woke.

00:15:02.260 So like in her name

00:15:03.680 on Twitter,

00:15:04.620 she's got she, her.

00:15:05.700 So that tells,

00:15:06.400 that tells me personally

00:15:07.880 all that I need to know.

00:15:09.620 But she quote tweets,

00:15:10.880 Beth Moore,

00:15:11.260 and she says,

00:15:11.740 perhaps the violence

00:15:13.140 displayed between

00:15:14.420 Will Smith and Chris Rockett,

00:15:16.660 Oscars 2022,

00:15:17.920 was quote,

00:15:18.460 scarier than the

00:15:19.180 Southern Baptist convention

00:15:20.080 because it was

00:15:21.200 an open display

00:15:21.980 of the outcome

00:15:22.580 of four centuries

00:15:23.560 of violence

00:15:24.380 by Southern Baptists

00:15:25.440 on bodies,

00:15:26.240 minds,

00:15:26.480 and souls

00:15:27.000 of African descent.

00:15:29.120 Hold up.

00:15:31.600 The slap

00:15:33.160 between Will Smith

00:15:35.320 and Chris Rock

00:15:36.220 has to do with

00:15:37.160 Southern Baptists

00:15:37.880 owning slaves

00:15:38.680 400 years ago?

00:15:40.480 Can you square

00:15:41.600 that circle for me?

00:15:43.200 Can you help me understand

00:15:44.440 is this something

00:15:45.320 that only makes sense

00:15:46.780 if you speak

00:15:47.940 critical race theory?

00:15:49.080 I mean,

00:15:50.160 I know I'm fluent

00:15:51.480 in critical race theory,

00:15:52.920 unfortunately,

00:15:53.580 because I've read

00:15:54.180 so much about it

00:15:54.980 and talked so much

00:15:55.980 about it.

00:15:56.740 But this must be

00:15:57.740 like a dialect

00:15:58.480 of critical race theory

00:15:59.580 that I'm not familiar with

00:16:00.700 because usually

00:16:01.240 I can try to understand

00:16:02.500 how they're making

00:16:03.300 the connections.

00:16:04.800 But here,

00:16:05.440 it's really tough

00:16:06.240 for me to understand

00:16:06.940 what she's trying to say.

00:16:07.900 But, you know,

00:16:08.420 actually,

00:16:08.820 she explains it.

00:16:09.620 So let me go on

00:16:10.600 in her tweet thread.

00:16:11.700 It was Chris Rock's

00:16:12.540 bow to white patriarchy.

00:16:15.680 Oh,

00:16:16.140 sometimes I just can't

00:16:17.060 get through this stuff

00:16:17.760 by undercutting

00:16:18.920 a sharp black woman's hair

00:16:20.480 and calling her

00:16:21.500 less than a woman

00:16:22.300 in front of billions

00:16:23.400 of people.

00:16:24.440 Except that's not really

00:16:25.480 what he was doing.

00:16:26.480 Again,

00:16:26.940 agree or disagree

00:16:27.720 with Chris Rock's joke.

00:16:29.440 I understand

00:16:30.100 why

00:16:30.960 Jada Pinkett Smith

00:16:32.240 was offended

00:16:32.860 and I understand

00:16:34.420 why Will Smith

00:16:35.040 would be offended

00:16:35.740 on her behalf.

00:16:36.980 Even if something

00:16:37.540 is a joke,

00:16:38.180 it can be hurtful.

00:16:39.700 But is it really

00:16:40.660 about a white patriarchy?

00:16:42.020 So every time

00:16:43.340 a black person

00:16:44.500 tells a joke

00:16:45.180 about another black person

00:16:46.420 or a black woman,

00:16:47.640 that's whiteness.

00:16:49.320 That's white patriarchy.

00:16:51.420 Or maybe it's just

00:16:52.320 them telling a joke.

00:16:53.280 Like,

00:16:53.400 did you think of that?

00:16:54.380 Maybe it's just

00:16:55.100 not that complex.

00:16:57.180 She goes on to say,

00:16:58.180 oh,

00:16:58.620 she said,

00:16:59.220 calling her less than a woman

00:17:00.360 in front of billions of people.

00:17:01.520 That might be my favorite part

00:17:02.840 that she thinks

00:17:03.860 that billions of people

00:17:04.720 watch the Oscars.

00:17:05.960 I guarantee

00:17:06.140 it probably wasn't even

00:17:07.080 one million people.

00:17:08.740 It was probably

00:17:09.680 hundreds of thousands

00:17:10.620 of people.

00:17:11.240 Billions of people.

00:17:12.300 That's awesome.

00:17:13.980 Then she goes on to say,

00:17:15.320 it was Chris Rock's choice

00:17:16.200 to belittle a human being

00:17:17.220 with a disability.

00:17:19.660 Disability?

00:17:21.180 Alopecia is definitely

00:17:22.700 a disorder.

00:17:23.360 A serious one.

00:17:24.920 A disability?

00:17:26.520 I don't know.

00:17:27.280 The roots of white supremacy

00:17:28.360 do not consider

00:17:29.060 the disabled human.

00:17:30.120 Therefore,

00:17:30.680 they are unprotected

00:17:31.760 from humiliation.

00:17:33.140 So do you see

00:17:33.880 what they do?

00:17:35.020 Do you see

00:17:35.500 what these race baiters

00:17:36.480 and racial justice activists do?

00:17:38.460 White supremacy

00:17:38.980 is a stand-in

00:17:39.820 for all kind

00:17:40.920 of evil.

00:17:41.800 So really,

00:17:42.340 what she's doing,

00:17:42.940 she is actually

00:17:43.620 abdicating not just

00:17:44.620 Will Smith of responsibility,

00:17:46.560 but also Chris Rock.

00:17:48.220 Because this is just

00:17:50.040 Chris Rock's manifestation

00:17:51.720 of internalized

00:17:53.200 white supremacy

00:17:53.900 that, of course,

00:17:54.660 was imparted on him

00:17:55.800 by the white supremacists

00:17:57.500 of yore,

00:17:58.100 I guess,

00:17:58.700 the Southern Baptists.

00:18:00.260 She goes on to say,

00:18:02.100 we all saw

00:18:03.020 the outcome

00:18:03.560 of body trauma

00:18:04.540 and it shook us

00:18:05.240 because we were watching

00:18:05.960 internalized violence.

00:18:07.440 Again,

00:18:07.680 internalized violence.

00:18:08.920 So it's,

00:18:10.020 so again,

00:18:11.020 Will Smith,

00:18:11.700 she is saying,

00:18:12.240 it's actually a victim

00:18:13.420 in this,

00:18:14.460 in this case.

00:18:16.180 We watched

00:18:16.900 internalized violence

00:18:17.800 spill out on an

00:18:18.580 international stage

00:18:19.480 and no one knew

00:18:20.020 what to do.

00:18:20.520 So they did what

00:18:21.280 we have done

00:18:21.820 in this nation

00:18:22.400 since 1619,

00:18:23.640 nothing,

00:18:24.400 literally no thing.

00:18:26.620 We've done nothing.

00:18:28.460 The Emancipation

00:18:29.520 Proclamation

00:18:30.060 was nothing.

00:18:31.480 We've done nothing

00:18:32.380 since 1619.

00:18:33.720 The Civil Rights Act

00:18:34.740 was nothing.

00:18:35.700 Actually,

00:18:36.020 that is what

00:18:36.700 critical race theory

00:18:37.580 asserts.

00:18:38.440 That is what

00:18:38.880 critical race theory

00:18:39.640 asserts.

00:18:40.040 That's what

00:18:40.360 1619 Project

00:18:41.800 asserts.

00:18:42.320 That since,

00:18:42.960 since 1619,

00:18:44.960 racism,

00:18:45.800 not just racism,

00:18:46.880 but systemic

00:18:47.400 white supremacy

00:18:48.120 and forms of slavery

00:18:49.080 have just evolved.

00:18:51.020 They haven't actually

00:18:52.200 fully gone away.

00:18:53.780 What's incredible

00:18:54.340 is that we are

00:18:54.980 talking about

00:18:55.800 the Oscars.

00:18:57.520 We are talking

00:18:58.120 about two black

00:18:59.280 multi-millionaires

00:19:00.760 who have more money

00:19:02.160 than most white people

00:19:03.780 could ever even

00:19:04.760 imagine happening.

00:19:05.980 and we are talking

00:19:06.960 about this

00:19:07.720 being a scenario

00:19:08.980 that is similar

00:19:10.480 to 1619

00:19:11.680 when black people

00:19:14.020 in America

00:19:14.580 were treated

00:19:15.220 as cattle.

00:19:18.320 Really?

00:19:19.340 This is the same

00:19:20.400 thing as 1619.

00:19:21.440 These people

00:19:21.900 in suits

00:19:22.560 that probably

00:19:23.380 cost more money

00:19:24.260 than most white

00:19:25.480 people in America

00:19:26.080 make in an entire year.

00:19:28.220 This is an example

00:19:29.040 of white supremacy.

00:19:30.840 This is an example

00:19:31.820 of 1619.

00:19:34.320 Really?

00:19:34.740 But again,

00:19:35.620 this goes back

00:19:36.300 to the tenets

00:19:36.940 of critical race theory

00:19:38.520 is that any

00:19:40.380 example,

00:19:43.380 any seeming example

00:19:44.540 of process,

00:19:46.100 of progress,

00:19:47.440 rather,

00:19:48.540 toward equality

00:19:49.560 is actually

00:19:50.900 not real.

00:19:52.900 It's actually

00:19:53.540 not an indication

00:19:54.740 of real progress

00:19:56.560 and is actually

00:19:57.500 just an exception

00:19:58.420 to the rule

00:19:59.220 of systemic racism.

00:20:00.380 Like,

00:20:00.500 don't you see

00:20:00.940 how this whole argument

00:20:01.760 is non-falsifiable?

00:20:03.300 And she said,

00:20:05.220 I have watched

00:20:06.100 the responses

00:20:06.640 the white women's

00:20:07.360 calls for criminal

00:20:08.160 prosecution,

00:20:09.140 the black women's

00:20:09.880 protection of Will Smith

00:20:10.900 saying they hope

00:20:11.580 their husbands

00:20:12.020 would respond

00:20:12.460 the same way.

00:20:13.320 Neither of these

00:20:14.220 paths get us

00:20:14.980 to peace or justice

00:20:16.220 and that is

00:20:17.260 what we all want.

00:20:18.900 Okay,

00:20:19.080 now the worst

00:20:19.780 thing that she said,

00:20:20.920 she said,

00:20:21.460 the U.S.

00:20:22.180 is the most violent

00:20:22.900 and incarcerated

00:20:23.600 nation on the planet.

00:20:25.640 Violence dehumanizes.

00:20:27.320 Dehumanization

00:20:27.800 is our norm.

00:20:28.800 We dehumanize

00:20:29.840 when we criminalize.

00:20:31.280 We dehumanize

00:20:32.360 when we criminalize.

00:20:34.360 Well,

00:20:34.940 what if someone

00:20:35.540 is a criminal?

00:20:36.920 What if someone

00:20:37.380 commits a crime?

00:20:39.180 We dehumanize

00:20:40.260 when we criminalize?

00:20:41.560 You don't want

00:20:42.560 to criminalize

00:20:43.160 any actions?

00:20:44.040 We shouldn't

00:20:44.460 criminalize violence?

00:20:45.760 We shouldn't

00:20:46.160 criminalize murder?

00:20:47.340 I'm not saying

00:20:48.180 Will Smith

00:20:48.800 needs to go to jail.

00:20:50.000 We dehumanize

00:20:50.900 when we criminalize.

00:20:52.340 Well,

00:20:52.760 no,

00:20:53.280 you criminalize

00:20:54.060 because you are

00:20:54.620 humanizing victims.

00:20:56.640 You decriminalize,

00:20:57.860 you victimize.

00:20:59.080 That's the truth.

00:21:00.520 And she said,

00:21:01.300 and we dehumanize

00:21:02.780 when we justify

00:21:03.420 and accommodate violence.

00:21:05.440 Yes,

00:21:06.340 this is just all

00:21:08.420 hogwash.

00:21:09.540 It doesn't make any sense

00:21:10.580 and it's incoherent.

00:21:12.020 Accommodate violence

00:21:12.720 because we lack hope

00:21:13.740 for the healing

00:21:14.520 of our trauma.

00:21:16.640 Beth Moore says,

00:21:17.620 Lisa,

00:21:17.980 I appreciate the pushback.

00:21:19.780 I was not thoughtful

00:21:21.040 before I tweeted.

00:21:23.100 Look,

00:21:23.580 you know,

00:21:23.820 I don't agree

00:21:24.760 with Beth Moore's

00:21:25.600 original tweet,

00:21:26.440 just like I don't

00:21:27.260 probably fully agree

00:21:28.180 with Glennon Doyle's

00:21:29.100 original tweet,

00:21:30.060 but you don't have

00:21:32.680 to go back.

00:21:34.620 You don't have

00:21:35.020 to take it back.

00:21:35.640 You don't have

00:21:36.120 to roll it back.

00:21:36.940 You don't have

00:21:37.520 to implicitly apologize.

00:21:39.940 You don't have

00:21:40.240 to explicitly apologize

00:21:41.580 unless what you said

00:21:43.720 was legitimately wrong

00:21:45.420 and you believe

00:21:46.140 it was wrong

00:21:46.760 and you regret it.

00:21:48.060 That's one thing.

00:21:49.100 I'm all for

00:21:49.800 sincere apologies.

00:21:50.720 I am completely

00:21:51.640 against apologies

00:21:53.880 for the sake

00:21:55.940 of apologizing

00:21:57.000 or for the sake

00:21:58.140 of trying

00:21:59.260 to win favor

00:22:01.180 with people

00:22:02.180 who are always

00:22:03.080 going to be

00:22:03.900 committed

00:22:04.360 to misunderstanding

00:22:05.240 you and pushing

00:22:06.160 their own narrative.

00:22:07.540 What Lisa Harper

00:22:08.240 said here was ridiculous.

00:22:09.760 It did not merit

00:22:10.540 any kind of legitimate

00:22:11.720 response from Beth Moore.

00:22:13.240 Again,

00:22:13.700 be willing to stand

00:22:14.760 by what you say

00:22:16.020 if you actually

00:22:17.420 admit what you said.

00:22:18.700 But unfortunately,

00:22:22.240 it seems that

00:22:23.260 white women,

00:22:24.020 including white Christians,

00:22:25.720 white Christian women,

00:22:26.900 are so used to believing

00:22:28.500 that humility

00:22:29.380 and empathy

00:22:30.500 and love

00:22:31.720 just means

00:22:32.780 bowing down

00:22:33.940 to whatever

00:22:34.680 the rage mob,

00:22:36.580 especially the racial

00:22:37.660 rage mob,

00:22:38.640 on Twitter

00:22:39.220 and on Instagram

00:22:40.160 tell them to do.

00:22:41.560 And I'm telling you,

00:22:42.680 that is not of God.

00:22:44.740 That is not

00:22:45.340 actual humility.

00:22:46.500 That's fear.

00:22:47.580 That's fear.

00:22:48.220 If you want

00:22:49.200 to show humility,

00:22:50.100 have conversations

00:22:50.980 with people

00:22:51.520 who think differently

00:22:52.380 than you.

00:22:53.580 Show humility

00:22:54.880 where it is called for.

00:22:56.960 But you also,

00:22:58.660 you have to come

00:22:59.540 from a position

00:23:00.340 of strength

00:23:01.220 in these conversations.

00:23:02.240 We had that conversation

00:23:03.920 with Professor Jason Hill

00:23:05.780 who said the same thing.

00:23:06.840 He wrote the book,

00:23:07.920 What Do White People

00:23:09.920 Owe Black Americans?

00:23:11.260 Or What Do White Americans

00:23:12.660 Owe Black People?

00:23:14.400 And when we talked about,

00:23:15.800 okay,

00:23:15.900 what does it look like

00:23:17.240 to have productive

00:23:18.540 conversations

00:23:19.260 between a white person

00:23:20.760 and a black person

00:23:21.580 who maybe they feel

00:23:22.680 like there is

00:23:23.280 racial tension

00:23:24.040 or racial divide there?

00:23:25.600 And he said,

00:23:26.540 both sides

00:23:27.140 have to come

00:23:27.780 from a position

00:23:28.560 of strength

00:23:29.340 and of confidence

00:23:30.760 and of compassion

00:23:32.040 for the other side.

00:23:34.100 It is not

00:23:34.960 that one side

00:23:36.000 has to have compassion

00:23:36.920 for the other side,

00:23:37.760 but the other side

00:23:38.340 doesn't have

00:23:38.800 to have compassion.

00:23:40.140 One side

00:23:40.580 has to have self-control,

00:23:41.800 but the other side

00:23:42.400 doesn't have

00:23:42.820 to have self-control.

00:23:43.520 That's what you'll see

00:23:44.600 in, for example,

00:23:45.900 like the Be the Bridge

00:23:46.920 curriculum

00:23:47.440 on their Facebook page.

00:23:49.420 Like one of the rules

00:23:50.420 that they have,

00:23:51.140 one of the guidelines

00:23:51.820 is that white people

00:23:53.440 who are a part of the group

00:23:54.360 have to allow

00:23:55.740 the black people

00:23:57.200 who are a part of the group

00:23:58.120 to cuss

00:23:58.820 and to yell

00:23:59.560 and to say

00:24:00.140 what they want to say.

00:24:01.660 And a white person

00:24:02.440 is not allowed

00:24:03.180 to respond in kind.

00:24:04.420 They're not allowed

00:24:05.000 to defend themselves.

00:24:06.320 They have to

00:24:06.960 take a step out

00:24:08.540 of the conversation

00:24:09.320 or they just have

00:24:10.360 to basically submit

00:24:11.500 to whatever

00:24:12.420 the black participant

00:24:13.380 says.

00:24:14.280 Okay,

00:24:14.940 well,

00:24:15.420 that's not going

00:24:16.100 to get us anywhere.

00:24:16.760 That's only going

00:24:17.380 to foster fear

00:24:18.200 and resentment

00:24:18.800 and shame

00:24:19.600 and further discrimination

00:24:20.900 and prejudice

00:24:21.660 and anger.

00:24:23.240 All right?

00:24:23.880 Like that's not going

00:24:24.880 to get us anywhere good.

00:24:27.280 And so you have to come

00:24:28.160 from a position of strength.

00:24:29.460 You have to come

00:24:29.940 from a position

00:24:30.880 of wanting to understand

00:24:32.300 and compassion

00:24:33.080 while never abandoning

00:24:35.280 what is true.

00:24:36.280 You do not have

00:24:36.900 to agree with someone

00:24:37.980 just because they say

00:24:39.140 that disagreeing with them

00:24:40.140 is racism or hate

00:24:41.180 or bigotry.

00:24:42.120 You stick to what

00:24:42.860 God says is true.

00:24:44.060 You don't owe anyone

00:24:45.080 anything except to love

00:24:46.740 your neighbor as yourself.

00:24:48.100 That is it.

00:24:49.500 You don't owe them

00:24:50.540 the kind of language

00:24:52.040 that they want you to use.

00:24:53.540 You don't owe anyone

00:24:54.740 an apology

00:24:55.720 if it is not a sincere apology.

00:24:58.080 You don't owe anyone

00:24:59.080 a retraction

00:24:59.880 if you don't want

00:25:00.860 to retract it.

00:25:02.440 You don't owe anyone

00:25:04.140 any of that.

00:25:06.200 Love your neighbor

00:25:06.860 as yourself

00:25:07.560 and that is enough.

00:25:08.840 This whole do better

00:25:11.280 pharisaical nonsense

00:25:14.180 surrounding what white people

00:25:18.280 and particularly white women

00:25:20.440 owe black people

00:25:21.920 I promise you

00:25:23.020 is only going to perpetuate

00:25:25.500 a cycle of misunderstanding

00:25:27.460 and of resentment.

00:25:29.620 Either overt resentment

00:25:30.720 or secret resentment.

00:25:31.880 It is not going to lead

00:25:33.320 to a place of love

00:25:34.920 and of unity.

00:25:36.140 It's just not.

00:25:37.340 It's just not.

00:25:38.840 Here's the simple

00:25:41.220 here's the simple truth of it

00:25:42.480 is that Will Smith

00:25:44.980 is responsible

00:25:46.260 for his actions.

00:25:47.380 Chris Rock

00:25:47.940 is responsible

00:25:48.680 for his words.

00:25:50.240 They're going to give

00:25:51.020 an account

00:25:51.480 for these things.

00:25:53.340 I'm not going

00:25:54.120 to give an account.

00:25:55.000 You're not going

00:25:55.560 to give an account

00:25:56.700 for the actions

00:25:58.080 of other people.

00:25:59.240 It doesn't matter

00:25:59.860 if you're white

00:26:00.580 or black

00:26:01.120 or whatever you are.

00:26:02.500 You're not going

00:26:03.200 to give an account

00:26:04.260 for the actions

00:26:04.780 of other people.

00:26:05.440 The actions of other people

00:26:06.360 are not your fault.

00:26:08.180 Okay?

00:26:08.900 Will Smith

00:26:09.500 did not slap

00:26:11.300 Chris Rock

00:26:11.960 because of white supremacy.

00:26:13.520 Because of

00:26:14.200 whatever

00:26:14.740 what happened

00:26:15.860 in 1619.

00:26:17.300 He didn't do it

00:26:17.880 because of slavery.

00:26:18.740 He didn't do it

00:26:19.340 because of systemic racism.

00:26:20.620 He didn't do it

00:26:21.540 because of white

00:26:22.180 women's commentary.

00:26:23.120 Had nothing to do

00:26:24.200 with white people at all.

00:26:25.280 Had nothing to do

00:26:25.900 with whiteness.

00:26:26.700 Had nothing to do

00:26:27.440 with any kind

00:26:28.000 of white supremacist system.

00:26:29.840 It had something

00:26:30.440 to do with his own choices.

00:26:32.480 And when he stands

00:26:34.160 before God

00:26:34.800 he is going

00:26:35.260 to give an account

00:26:36.000 for his actions

00:26:37.440 and white supremacy

00:26:39.640 or systems of white

00:26:41.320 systems of white supremacy

00:26:43.180 are not going

00:26:44.120 to be an excuse

00:26:45.260 for any of the actions

00:26:47.220 that he or anyone else

00:26:48.300 including ourselves

00:26:49.260 commit.

00:26:50.680 That's just not

00:26:51.440 that's just not

00:26:52.000 how it works.

00:26:52.620 Chris Rock

00:26:53.180 will give an account

00:26:54.360 for the things

00:26:55.100 that he says

00:26:56.280 and does.

00:26:56.900 Okay?

00:26:57.100 So they are individually

00:26:58.080 responsible

00:26:58.800 for what they do.

00:27:00.400 It is not white people's

00:27:01.820 it's not white people's fault.

00:27:03.120 You are responsible

00:27:04.440 for what you do.

00:27:05.480 It is not the fault

00:27:06.340 of the system

00:27:07.820 that is put in place

00:27:09.920 when you decide

00:27:11.420 to do something

00:27:12.180 or you decide

00:27:12.900 to say something.

00:27:13.760 I'm not saying

00:27:14.600 that systems

00:27:16.340 true systems

00:27:17.080 of oppression

00:27:17.620 don't have an effect

00:27:18.620 on people

00:27:19.120 and don't affect

00:27:19.840 the choices

00:27:20.380 that people make.

00:27:22.160 That's certainly true.

00:27:23.280 I think that's

00:27:24.120 you know

00:27:24.360 probably biblical

00:27:25.240 in a lot of ways

00:27:27.440 but that does not

00:27:28.880 remove your responsibility

00:27:30.460 for what you do.

00:27:31.740 You are not responsible

00:27:33.360 for the sins

00:27:34.140 of your ancestors.

00:27:35.520 You're not responsible

00:27:36.260 for the sins

00:27:37.080 of people

00:27:37.620 who are not you.

00:27:39.460 And I think

00:27:40.040 that we would all

00:27:40.700 be better off

00:27:41.500 if we saw

00:27:42.300 individuals' choices

00:27:43.220 as what they are

00:27:44.120 individuals' choices.

00:27:45.320 And this is a very

00:27:46.440 anti-gospel message

00:27:47.700 that I saw a lot

00:27:48.560 in 2020.

00:27:49.640 A lot of pastors

00:27:50.580 who said that they

00:27:51.360 were preaching

00:27:51.880 racial reconciliation

00:27:52.960 really what they did

00:27:54.140 is they preached

00:27:54.820 two different gospels

00:27:58.360 to one to white people

00:28:00.260 and one to their

00:28:01.680 black congregants

00:28:02.640 where they would say

00:28:03.700 you know white people

00:28:04.540 you need to repent

00:28:05.700 you need to remove

00:28:09.600 your white privilege

00:28:11.920 you need to divest

00:28:13.180 of your whiteness

00:28:14.780 here are the things

00:28:15.380 that you need to do

00:28:16.400 to build bridges

00:28:19.600 and aim toward reconciliation

00:28:21.360 you need to repent

00:28:22.780 and you need to be sanctified

00:28:24.280 and all of this stuff

00:28:25.340 but the message

00:28:26.780 of repentance

00:28:27.500 and sanctification

00:28:28.940 was not preached

00:28:30.900 at that time

00:28:31.800 to the black congregants

00:28:33.120 it was almost like

00:28:34.240 white people

00:28:34.980 need more salvation

00:28:35.940 they need more

00:28:36.840 of the blood of Christ

00:28:37.780 they need extra

00:28:39.780 they need extra power

00:28:42.000 of Jesus and the cross

00:28:43.120 to truly be saved

00:28:45.080 and this group

00:28:45.940 over there

00:28:46.460 well they don't need

00:28:47.300 that hard message

00:28:48.220 of sin

00:28:49.000 look we are all

00:28:50.240 dead and sin

00:28:50.780 apart from Christ

00:28:51.700 and we can only

00:28:53.000 be made alive

00:28:53.880 through Christ

00:28:54.840 as Ephesians 2 says

00:28:56.520 so if you are preaching

00:28:58.060 to your white congregants

00:28:59.180 a harsher gospel

00:29:00.300 you talk to them

00:29:02.160 more about sin

00:29:03.420 and repentance

00:29:04.120 and then you treat

00:29:06.640 your black and brown

00:29:07.640 congregants

00:29:08.220 as if they are only victims

00:29:09.520 as if they won't be held

00:29:10.760 to the same standard

00:29:11.800 as if the message

00:29:14.120 of salvation

00:29:14.920 isn't as necessary

00:29:16.240 to them

00:29:16.940 because of whatever

00:29:17.820 systems you say

00:29:18.780 are in place

00:29:19.780 that's actually hatred

00:29:21.120 if you actually

00:29:22.100 believe the gospel

00:29:23.020 if you actually

00:29:24.380 believe that Jesus

00:29:25.160 is the way

00:29:25.760 the truth

00:29:26.160 and the life

00:29:26.700 then you know

00:29:27.720 that we're going

00:29:28.440 to stand before

00:29:29.000 God one day

00:29:29.840 like you know

00:29:30.940 that those people

00:29:31.560 are responsible

00:29:32.220 for their sins

00:29:32.960 that they are just

00:29:33.860 as dead in their sin

00:29:34.600 apart from Christ

00:29:35.260 as the white person

00:29:35.980 who is

00:29:36.440 that doesn't mean

00:29:38.240 that we can't

00:29:38.760 talk about racism

00:29:39.660 we can't talk

00:29:40.400 about instances

00:29:41.000 of injustice

00:29:41.680 sure you guys know

00:29:43.020 you know

00:29:43.560 where I stand

00:29:44.380 on all of that

00:29:45.720 we've talked

00:29:46.160 about it so much

00:29:47.120 but when it comes

00:29:50.000 to responsibility

00:29:50.640 for your choices

00:29:51.740 especially when it

00:29:52.860 comes to the sermons

00:29:53.960 that we're preaching

00:29:54.820 and when we talk

00:29:55.800 about the gospel

00:29:56.760 if you are going

00:29:57.660 soft on one group

00:29:58.880 because they have

00:29:59.400 a higher melanin count

00:30:00.440 and harsher on one group

00:30:01.580 because they have

00:30:02.080 a lower melanin count

00:30:03.040 that's partiality

00:30:04.380 that's what the book

00:30:05.100 of James says

00:30:05.680 is actually a sin

00:30:06.500 God hates partiality

00:30:07.900 in giving the law

00:30:10.120 God reiterates

00:30:10.880 that over and over again

00:30:12.720 that you're not

00:30:13.800 supposed to defer

00:30:14.660 to the poor

00:30:15.320 in a lawsuit

00:30:16.000 you're also not

00:30:16.780 supposed to defer

00:30:17.500 to the great

00:30:17.980 God hates partiality

00:30:19.640 and if you are

00:30:20.460 preaching sermons

00:30:21.300 and giving talks

00:30:22.300 and offering commentary

00:30:23.640 that is abdicating

00:30:26.860 one group

00:30:27.400 of their responsibility

00:30:28.380 and laying unfair amounts

00:30:30.040 of responsibility

00:30:30.940 on someone

00:30:32.020 of on a group

00:30:33.620 of another skin color

00:30:34.760 that is partiality

00:30:36.240 it's wrong

00:30:37.280 it's unbiblical

00:30:38.060 it's anti-gospel

00:30:39.280 it's anti-logic

00:30:40.620 it's anti-responsibility

00:30:41.980 and it's not going

00:30:42.880 to get us

00:30:43.320 to a place

00:30:43.940 of unity

00:30:45.060 unfortunately

00:30:45.740 we are just being

00:30:46.700 driven further apart

00:30:47.600 I was actually

00:30:48.880 kind of surprised

00:30:49.800 that this ended up

00:30:51.060 being a racial issue

00:30:53.720 to be honest

00:30:54.500 I shouldn't be surprised

00:30:56.240 by that these days

00:30:58.160 and I'm not saying

00:31:00.180 that a black person

00:31:01.360 couldn't have

00:31:01.840 a different perspective

00:31:02.720 than I would

00:31:03.560 because they are black

00:31:06.480 that's fine

00:31:07.120 but again

00:31:07.700 to disqualify someone

00:31:09.240 because they are white

00:31:10.420 from talking about

00:31:11.720 their reaction

00:31:12.400 or their thought to it

00:31:13.540 I'm sorry

00:31:14.040 I just

00:31:14.540 no

00:31:15.400 no

00:31:16.100 no

00:31:16.680 no

00:31:17.300 and so

00:31:18.520 be willing

00:31:19.600 be courageous

00:31:20.300 be sure enough

00:31:21.980 of what you believe

00:31:23.720 and of your takes

00:31:24.920 and of your opinions

00:31:25.680 if you feel like

00:31:26.580 they're you know

00:31:27.440 valuable

00:31:28.260 to share

00:31:29.160 be courageous enough

00:31:31.420 and confident enough

00:31:32.420 to say

00:31:32.880 no

00:31:33.800 I'm not going to

00:31:34.500 take that down

00:31:35.120 I'm not going to

00:31:35.600 apologize

00:31:35.840 I'm not going to

00:31:36.260 caveat it

00:31:37.000 I'm not going to

00:31:38.040 I'm not going to

00:31:38.840 try to make excuses

00:31:40.000 I actually believe that

00:31:41.180 I watched it

00:31:41.900 we share a country

00:31:42.720 we share a society

00:31:43.840 and look

00:31:44.900 I love you

00:31:45.820 I want to hear you

00:31:46.720 out

00:31:47.200 absolutely

00:31:47.860 thanks for sharing

00:31:48.860 your thoughts

00:31:49.340 I appreciate you

00:31:50.160 I think your commentary

00:31:50.940 is really valuable

00:31:51.780 I learned something

00:31:52.800 but

00:31:54.040 I'm not moving

00:31:56.440 I'm not moving

00:31:57.240 from this place

00:31:58.860 because this is something

00:31:59.780 that I actually believe

00:32:00.800 start approaching

00:32:02.120 not just your conversations

00:32:03.380 but

00:32:03.900 the commentary

00:32:05.140 that you give

00:32:06.240 how you articulate things

00:32:07.540 from a position

00:32:08.260 of strength

00:32:08.860 from a position

00:32:09.600 of confidence

00:32:10.280 that's not the same thing

00:32:11.440 as arrogance

00:32:12.020 that's not saying

00:32:13.140 that you are

00:32:13.560 immune to being wrong

00:32:15.500 or that you can't

00:32:16.220 be corrected

00:32:16.900 that you're completely

00:32:18.080 above reproach

00:32:19.840 it's just saying

00:32:21.840 that you have a right

00:32:23.320 you have a right

00:32:24.020 to your thoughts

00:32:24.580 you have a right

00:32:25.240 to your opinions

00:32:25.760 and you have a right

00:32:26.660 to express them

00:32:27.700 people can push back

00:32:28.780 all they want to

00:32:29.440 but they don't have

00:32:30.160 the authority

00:32:30.700 to silence you

00:32:31.760 or to make you

00:32:33.600 submit to them

00:32:34.100 again you don't owe them

00:32:34.900 anything except to

00:32:35.880 love your neighbor

00:32:36.580 as yourself

00:32:37.240 and so that's where

00:32:38.980 we stand

00:32:39.480 and you should continue

00:32:40.780 to stand there

00:32:41.580 please don't be

00:32:42.440 like Glennon Doyle

00:32:43.220 in a variety

00:32:44.160 in a variety

00:32:45.200 of ways

00:32:45.920 but in particular

00:32:47.420 when it comes

00:32:48.120 to acquiescing

00:32:48.880 for absolutely

00:32:49.660 no reason

00:32:50.760 all right

00:32:53.440 so I just wanted

00:32:53.980 to give a shout out

00:32:54.800 to my new friends

00:32:55.760 in Tallahassee

00:32:56.580 I was in Tallahassee

00:32:57.640 yesterday

00:32:58.000 I posted a picture

00:32:58.960 with Governor Ron DeSantis

00:33:00.980 the hero that we need

00:33:02.640 in this day and age

00:33:03.880 who has just set the tone

00:33:05.080 really for

00:33:05.900 a lot of Republican governors

00:33:07.800 and just pushing

00:33:08.640 for what is good

00:33:10.160 and right and true

00:33:10.740 and pushing for freedom

00:33:11.940 and I'm just so excited

00:33:13.500 about how courageous

00:33:14.380 he's been

00:33:15.020 and I'm so happy

00:33:16.820 for Florida

00:33:17.340 that you have

00:33:18.200 such a wonderful governor

00:33:19.040 and so that was actually

00:33:21.520 the second time

00:33:22.240 that I met him

00:33:23.000 he probably doesn't realize

00:33:24.340 we met all the way

00:33:25.220 back in 2017

00:33:26.160 we were both speakers

00:33:27.200 at this event

00:33:27.760 but it was a very brief meeting

00:33:28.960 so got to meet him again

00:33:30.260 first time as governor

00:33:31.100 that was wonderful

00:33:32.160 and when I was in Tallahassee

00:33:34.000 super quick trip

00:33:34.880 I always make the trips

00:33:35.880 really quick

00:33:36.260 because I want to get

00:33:36.800 back to my family

00:33:37.520 but I got to stay

00:33:39.400 with some people

00:33:40.540 that I met

00:33:41.580 the last time

00:33:43.400 I was in Tallahassee

00:33:44.320 just a few weeks ago

00:33:45.200 I was speaking at Florida State

00:33:46.260 and these three women

00:33:47.900 three moms

00:33:48.600 came

00:33:49.360 who all

00:33:50.160 well

00:33:50.460 they don't all go to church together

00:33:51.960 but they all know each other

00:33:52.760 they came

00:33:53.200 and they just said hi

00:33:54.680 and we just had a sweet

00:33:55.540 kind of short interaction

00:33:56.660 and talked a little bit

00:33:58.780 and when I found out

00:33:59.700 a couple weeks later

00:34:00.500 that I would be going

00:34:01.320 to Tallahassee again

00:34:02.540 I don't know why

00:34:04.760 but I just decided

00:34:05.500 to reach out to them

00:34:06.380 and ask

00:34:07.240 hey can I stay

00:34:08.080 with one of you

00:34:08.700 which is really

00:34:09.840 I don't think I've ever

00:34:10.940 no I've never done that before

00:34:12.400 not when I'm traveling

00:34:13.280 I almost

00:34:13.920 I just always stay

00:34:15.020 at the hotel

00:34:17.080 it's just easier

00:34:18.080 you're not imposing

00:34:19.340 and that's just

00:34:21.260 what I had planned

00:34:22.480 that's what I typically

00:34:23.560 plan to do

00:34:24.080 but

00:34:24.780 I don't know why

00:34:27.060 I just decided

00:34:27.920 to email them

00:34:28.800 or I think I posted

00:34:29.640 on Instagram

00:34:30.240 and was like

00:34:30.880 hey Tallahassee ladies

00:34:32.680 that I met

00:34:33.380 can you email me

00:34:34.760 and then I talked

00:34:36.640 and they were so hospitable

00:34:37.760 and so excited

00:34:38.720 and so sweet

00:34:39.180 I didn't know

00:34:39.880 really if they would say yes

00:34:41.380 or if they would think

00:34:42.020 it was weird

00:34:42.460 I was a little nervous

00:34:43.240 about asking

00:34:43.780 because it's so out

00:34:44.440 of the norm for me

00:34:45.280 but I really think

00:34:46.560 it was providentially

00:34:48.060 orchestrated

00:34:48.740 because it was

00:34:49.760 such a wonderful

00:34:50.900 time that I had

00:34:52.860 they were so hospitable

00:34:54.360 truly

00:34:54.880 I have just seen

00:34:56.380 the gift of hospitality

00:34:57.960 that the Holy Spirit

00:34:59.020 uses to minister

00:35:00.420 to Christians

00:35:02.040 it was such

00:35:02.680 it was

00:35:03.480 it was so much better

00:35:05.000 than staying in a hotel

00:35:06.360 by myself

00:35:07.280 and you know

00:35:07.760 being on Instagram

00:35:08.520 or working for several hours

00:35:10.220 before I was waiting

00:35:11.160 to go to

00:35:11.700 this event

00:35:12.920 instead

00:35:13.280 I went to this

00:35:14.640 woman's house

00:35:16.060 and

00:35:16.900 we

00:35:17.420 had lunch

00:35:18.720 with the other women

00:35:19.720 and we had

00:35:20.920 pimento cheese

00:35:21.800 and chicken salad

00:35:22.900 which is my favorite

00:35:23.880 and we just had such

00:35:24.600 wonderful

00:35:25.660 uplifting

00:35:26.680 edifying

00:35:27.540 conversations

00:35:28.960 and it was

00:35:29.780 a beautiful

00:35:30.160 day outside

00:35:31.060 and so I really

00:35:31.920 just felt like

00:35:32.620 the Lord

00:35:32.920 was taking care

00:35:33.580 of me

00:35:33.900 through that

00:35:34.460 and so

00:35:34.960 I don't know

00:35:36.200 the point

00:35:37.480 that I'm trying

00:35:38.340 to make

00:35:38.800 I guess it's

00:35:39.360 that I just

00:35:39.780 love the church

00:35:40.500 like I love

00:35:41.140 the body of Christ

00:35:42.000 I love that

00:35:42.760 we can meet

00:35:43.320 anywhere

00:35:43.840 as Christian women

00:35:45.080 and we can

00:35:45.740 support one another

00:35:46.640 we can open

00:35:47.780 our homes

00:35:48.300 to one another

00:35:48.940 we can build

00:35:49.920 one another up

00:35:50.820 like that is

00:35:51.480 what the church

00:35:52.040 is

00:35:52.600 the church

00:35:53.120 is

00:35:53.440 this is something

00:35:54.080 that one of them

00:35:54.780 said yesterday

00:35:55.240 the church

00:35:55.700 is for Christians

00:35:57.060 the church

00:35:57.500 is for Christians

00:35:58.240 yes there

00:35:59.140 are ways

00:36:00.760 that we minister

00:36:01.360 to the outside

00:36:02.080 world

00:36:02.560 but not at the

00:36:04.040 expense of

00:36:04.800 ministering to

00:36:05.840 each other

00:36:06.420 the verses

00:36:06.940 that so often

00:36:07.800 Christians

00:36:08.360 tend to take

00:36:09.320 out of context

00:36:10.020 and apply

00:36:10.780 to people

00:36:11.500 outside of the

00:36:12.080 church

00:36:12.280 like providing

00:36:12.880 for the least

00:36:13.400 of these

00:36:13.760 that's actually

00:36:14.240 persecuted

00:36:14.780 Christians

00:36:15.280 visiting people

00:36:16.220 in prison

00:36:16.660 that's actually

00:36:17.360 Christians in

00:36:18.140 prison

00:36:18.420 a lot of the

00:36:19.780 verses that we

00:36:20.200 apply to the

00:36:20.700 outside world

00:36:21.260 are actually

00:36:22.000 primarily

00:36:22.640 if not

00:36:23.100 exclusively

00:36:23.560 for the

00:36:24.100 church

00:36:24.380 and I felt

00:36:25.080 ministered to

00:36:25.760 and so

00:36:26.980 encouraged

00:36:27.660 yesterday

00:36:28.640 and so

00:36:29.180 maybe this

00:36:29.700 is just

00:36:29.980 an indication

00:36:30.500 to you

00:36:31.000 to step

00:36:31.400 outside of

00:36:31.800 your comfort

00:36:32.280 zone

00:36:32.620 and to

00:36:33.240 allow someone

00:36:33.900 to welcome

00:36:34.380 you and

00:36:34.900 encourage you

00:36:35.500 in some way

00:36:36.000 or maybe

00:36:36.400 this is your

00:36:37.040 indication

00:36:37.580 to be

00:36:39.900 hospitable

00:36:40.420 to someone

00:36:41.920 else

00:36:42.380 it really

00:36:43.720 is amazing

00:36:44.320 just what

00:36:45.000 that kind

00:36:45.500 of fellowship

00:36:46.120 can do

00:36:46.660 for someone's

00:36:47.580 heart

00:36:47.960 mind

00:36:48.300 and soul

00:36:48.840 and it

00:36:49.220 was good

00:36:50.120 for my

00:36:50.540 heart

00:36:50.780 mind

00:36:51.020 and soul

00:36:51.440 that is

00:36:52.260 for sure

00:36:52.720 and it

00:36:53.300 was just

00:36:53.560 a reminder

00:36:54.060 how much

00:36:54.440 I love

00:36:54.720 you guys

00:36:55.220 and how

00:36:55.700 I feel

00:36:56.200 like we

00:36:56.840 are family

00:36:57.360 and I

00:36:58.780 feel like

00:36:59.360 we have

00:37:00.040 a community

00:37:00.560 and we

00:37:01.020 have a

00:37:01.400 friendship

00:37:01.800 and I'm

00:37:03.460 sure there

00:37:03.880 are thousands

00:37:05.020 of you

00:37:05.560 that I

00:37:06.580 would feel

00:37:07.000 comfortable

00:37:07.500 with if I

00:37:08.380 got to talk

00:37:09.020 to you

00:37:09.500 I'm staying

00:37:10.420 with when

00:37:10.820 I'm traveling

00:37:11.440 and you know

00:37:12.280 maybe that's

00:37:12.920 something that I

00:37:13.480 can do more

00:37:14.620 in the future

00:37:15.160 but in this

00:37:15.640 particular case

00:37:16.280 I really did

00:37:16.800 feel like it

00:37:17.320 was just the

00:37:17.700 Holy Spirit

00:37:18.160 just kind

00:37:18.800 of confirming

00:37:20.640 to me that

00:37:21.140 that's where I

00:37:23.280 need to go

00:37:23.660 and what I

00:37:24.040 need to do

00:37:24.500 and so

00:37:25.740 thank you

00:37:26.420 to those

00:37:26.920 of you

00:37:27.180 listening

00:37:27.620 who are

00:37:28.160 in Tallahassee

00:37:28.960 who welcomed

00:37:29.760 me and made

00:37:30.360 me feel so

00:37:31.020 loved

00:37:31.360 I really

00:37:31.780 did appreciate

00:37:32.600 it

00:37:33.080 all right

00:37:34.140 we will be

00:37:34.680 back here

00:37:35.160 tomorrow

00:37:35.660 and you

00:37:36.220 will be

00:37:37.200 hearing another

00:37:37.940 conversation

00:37:38.600 between Phil

00:37:39.640 Robertson

00:37:40.320 and me

00:37:40.720 and this

00:37:41.000 is a new

00:37:41.500 conversation

00:37:42.180 he is going

00:37:42.980 to tell us

00:37:44.800 a lot of

00:37:45.400 really interesting

00:37:46.160 stuff and some

00:37:46.840 good tear

00:37:47.340 jerking stories

00:37:48.200 and you're

00:37:48.580 going to love

00:37:48.940 it you're

00:37:49.240 going to be

00:37:49.540 totally edified

00:37:50.680 by that

00:37:52.740 and yeah

00:37:54.820 you're going

00:37:55.100 to love

00:37:55.320 that conversation

00:37:55.960 and we've

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 30, 2022

Ep 591 ｜ Race-Baiters to White Women： 'Shut Up'

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