Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 592 ｜ Sharing the Gospel with Trump ｜ Guests： Phil & Al Robertson

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00:00:19.620 All right. I am so excited for you guys to hear my interview with Phil Robertson and Al Robertson.

00:00:25.820 We're going to talk about his testimony and what his life has looked like over the past several decades since the Lord saved him.

00:00:34.780 We're also going to talk about the stunning story of him recently meeting his daughter that he did not know that he had.

00:00:43.320 I mean, it's really amazing and very emotional. I know you guys are going to be encouraged by this.

00:00:48.460 So without further ado, here is our conversation.

00:00:51.580 Thank you all so much for joining me. I'm in your lair, your area, not my typical relatable studio.

00:01:00.900 So I appreciate y'all letting me host an episode in this studio.

00:01:06.340 Now, before we were talking on y'all's podcast, how there is a movie being produced right now about your life.

00:01:14.700 And you were saying that it's embarrassing. Can you expound a little bit more on that?

00:01:19.460 Well, if you if you do a little survey, we're talking in these mics.

00:01:24.300 Yep. If we do a little survey, what you'll find is most I just noticed something as the years have been going by.

00:01:37.260 I came to Jesus. I was 28. Well, as I began to convert people, I would say, how old are you?

00:01:46.860 And they would say 28. They would say 31, 30, 29, 28, 27, 30, 31.

00:01:55.420 So I noticed they would all begin to collect in that age group.

00:02:00.880 So I wondered about it. And I think what I came up with, my thoughts could be wrong, is that by the time you reach about 30,

00:02:12.120 if you are like I was, I call it like a dog chasing his tail.

00:02:17.120 You go round and round and round, but you're not getting anywhere.

00:02:19.900 Life is not kind at all. Well, by that time, you've built a substantial track record that you can check how your life has been going.

00:02:29.740 You're 29 now. Plus, probably some would say, I think you should have known better to do that.

00:02:40.740 You're 29 years old, for crying out loud. So what it's about that age, about 30, where your life is a track record.

00:02:49.160 You look back at it and you say, I'm not getting it. I'm not there yet. Something is wrong.

00:03:00.400 Yeah. So I think that's why. But they do the movie, so they kind of had to catch the negative part of my life up to 28.

00:03:11.980 And then the positive from there to 75.

00:03:16.220 And I was about nine years old, Allie.

00:03:18.160 So my perspective was as a child growing up in this life without really having Christian parents and what that looked like,

00:03:25.860 and especially the way our lives were, but then seeing the transformation, which was amazing.

00:03:32.220 I mean, because dad went.

00:03:33.000 Do you remember that pretty clearly?

00:03:35.140 Oh, very clearly. And I remember everything that led up to it.

00:03:38.360 And then I remember watching dad, you know, your dad is your hero, whether he's a good person or not.

00:03:45.060 I mean, you know, I idolized dad anyway.

00:03:47.920 But then when he made the transformation as a Christian and literally went from the biggest heathen in South Arkansas, North Louisiana to John the Baptist overnight. 1.00

00:03:58.500 Yeah.

00:03:59.020 I mean, it impacted us, too, in a positive way.

00:04:02.540 Yeah. Tell me a little bit more about that, because we were talking in your podcast about how you guys ran a bar in Junction City.

00:04:10.080 And you were young. You said that you were nine when he became a Christian.

00:04:15.560 Do you remember the days before he became a Christian? Was it volatile at all?

00:04:20.020 Was it stressful?

00:04:21.980 And then after that, I know, obviously, there was a change in his own life.

00:04:25.040 But what was that like in your home? How did that change things there?

00:04:27.840 Well, I would say it was volatile, but that would be an insult to volatility everywhere.

00:04:33.480 You know, I mean, it was a yes, every night was some different, crazy chaos.

00:04:39.140 And dad, you know, he like was finding all these different ways to make money, you know, around this bar setting.

00:04:45.820 So there were fights and arm wrestling competitions.

00:04:49.120 And I can remember, of course, again, I'm a child, so I'm looking up to my dad because he could whip anybody there.

00:04:55.100 Well, you know, that's my dad.

00:04:56.240 You know, he's whipping all these pulpwood guys and all that.

00:04:58.340 Of course, they're all stumbling drunk.

00:04:59.880 You know, dad was just there taking care.

00:05:01.280 But I remember every bit of that.

00:05:03.560 There was a magnolia tree that was behind the bar, and I used to climb up the tree.

00:05:08.700 And I used to watch everything going on.

00:05:10.400 And the bar was still segregated.

00:05:12.860 So you had the black section out back, and you had the white section up front.

00:05:17.540 And so there were equal evils going on in both sides of the situation.

00:05:21.700 And dad was kind of there in the middle, you know, through this whole process.

00:05:24.700 And mom as well.

00:05:26.060 So, you know, on our home, it was obviously chaotic.

00:05:29.580 Dad would be gone a lot because when he wasn't running the bar, he was off hunting and drinking with his own buddies.

00:05:35.740 And so that left mom very isolated.

00:05:38.040 So I can remember a lot of times in our home, she was depressed.

00:05:42.020 She was having a lot of difficulty just with having to focus on how do we go forward.

00:05:46.940 Because what started out as we were going to make some money, you know, turned out to be a terrible lifestyle.

00:05:52.100 Loretta Lynn was on the front jukebox, the white part. 1.00

00:05:57.080 That's right.

00:05:57.420 And B.B. King was on the back part.

00:06:00.480 That's right.

00:06:01.000 And I'm in the middle with a pistol in my belt.

00:06:05.100 Everybody's getting drunk.

00:06:06.300 Yeah.

00:06:06.640 Yeah.

00:06:06.880 Well, what's amazing is that you just said that you lead a church that's about 50% white and black.

00:06:14.700 So it's kind of, it's what, just a picture of redemption that you were standing in the middle of the dividing line.

00:06:20.960 And now you pastor a church that brings both black and white Christians together through the Lord.

00:06:25.340 That's amazing.

00:06:25.720 I never thought about that.

00:06:26.480 But that's exactly, that was a good thought on your part.

00:06:30.980 And now, you know, of course, the brothers there, they love me because I was a heathen who changed.

00:06:40.040 And most of them come out of some pretty tough backgrounds themselves.

00:06:43.540 You know what I'm saying?

00:06:44.800 Yeah.

00:06:45.040 And still, it marches on.

00:06:47.320 So, but yesterday we had people visiting from Canada, from, what's the, Kansas, from Florida.

00:06:58.380 So every week they're coming from all over the country and other parts of the world.

00:07:04.660 You know, I asked some not too long ago, a few months back, where are you folks from, you know?

00:07:09.120 Where are you from?

00:07:09.860 He said, Samoa.

00:07:11.080 Wow.

00:07:11.520 I said, American Samoa.

00:07:13.220 You know, 500 miles northeast of New Zealand.

00:07:17.880 I said, you came a long way.

00:07:20.120 So I think that it's better if the Apostle Paul had had the internet.

00:07:29.160 I've never owned a cell phone and I've never clicked on to the internet.

00:07:33.960 Not once.

00:07:35.080 I know nothing about it.

00:07:35.520 That might be my favorite fact about you.

00:07:37.560 I know nothing about it, but I just was riding along on an airplane with these two.

00:07:44.120 Zach and Al, and I said, y'all come back here a minute.

00:07:48.160 I said, a thought just occurred to me, I said, you can get on the side of the road, American Christianity, little church building, and you start out and you win 75 to Christ. 0.66

00:08:03.720 I said, 30 years goes by and you're up to 100.

00:08:10.160 I said, it's too slow.

00:08:12.340 I said, if the Apostle Paul had had this internet, he would have clicked on.

00:08:16.280 Yeah.

00:08:16.760 I'm convinced because by all means possible to reach as many as possible.

00:08:22.620 I said, we need to speed this thing up.

00:08:25.420 Therefore, that's why now we have this so people can hear about Jesus, make the decision to follow him or not.

00:08:32.360 It makes sense to me.

00:08:33.640 We're not getting out of here.

00:08:34.780 We're going to die.

00:08:36.220 All of us.

00:08:37.140 That's a fact.

00:08:39.040 If this is not true, we're not getting out of here alive.

00:08:43.500 It's that simple.

00:08:44.660 Right.

00:08:44.960 So I just read the script and I'm like, hmm, the resurrection of the dead.

00:08:50.860 I said, well, I know of no other book, no other religion that has offered me that in a person.

00:09:00.020 We count time by him, 2,022 years since Jesus showed up.

00:09:05.600 The atheist said, well, you can't pay any attention to that.

00:09:08.600 But the world, according to Alexa on the computer, I said, Dan, Dan the eunuch, I said, Dan, call Alexa up and ask her, what year is it in red in China?

00:09:20.080 And he said, are you serious?

00:09:22.420 I said, yeah.

00:09:23.320 So he calls her up.

00:09:24.680 Yeah.

00:09:25.280 He says, Alexa.

00:09:26.880 He doesn't really call.

00:09:27.880 What year is it?

00:09:28.900 He didn't call her on the phone, Dad.

00:09:30.340 He just says, Alexa, she picked it up.

00:09:32.800 I'm still going.

00:09:33.960 Dan the eunuch?

00:09:35.400 Yeah.

00:09:37.240 He's chosen not to marry.

00:09:39.540 Oh, OK.

00:09:40.380 Got it.

00:09:40.860 Matthew 19.

00:09:42.340 Some are born that way.

00:09:43.640 I got it.

00:09:43.960 I'm not going to marry.

00:09:44.760 It's not a big thing.

00:09:45.760 Yeah.

00:09:46.140 I told him it's a lot cheaper.

00:09:47.800 OK.

00:09:48.040 I didn't know if that was just nickname, but I got it.

00:09:50.720 Everybody gets a nickname.

00:09:52.140 OK.

00:09:52.440 So that's Dan.

00:09:53.000 So there are three kinds.

00:09:54.580 Then the ones who are made that way, a eunuch.

00:09:57.080 And then the ones who, like the Apostle Paul, because of the rigors of preaching the gospel,

00:10:02.640 he decided to stay single.

00:10:04.320 So I just told Dan.

00:10:06.380 I said, but Dan, it's not a bad thing, not marry until I don't let anybody look down on you.

00:10:11.220 True.

00:10:11.800 Jesus wasn't.

00:10:12.480 That's right.

00:10:17.100 So he called Alexa.

00:10:19.460 Yeah.

00:10:19.720 So Alexa. 0.99

00:10:20.480 He called Alexa.

00:10:21.860 And Alexa said, when Dan asked her, what year is it in China?

00:10:26.680 She said, 2022.

00:10:29.200 I said, well.

00:10:30.480 I said, call it up.

00:10:31.540 What about North Korea?

00:10:32.720 Ask her that.

00:10:33.840 You know, what year is North Korea?

00:10:35.520 According to the North Koreans.

00:10:37.380 She said, it is 2022.

00:10:39.160 We asked her, did she duck hunt?

00:10:42.000 And her answer was, I'm not sure.

00:10:46.420 That was what we got when, do you duck hunt?

00:10:48.920 I have to at least set that story up.

00:10:51.640 So Lisa and I, dad was having alarm clock issues because he likes the old wind up ones, you know.

00:10:57.060 You know, that wasn't working for him.

00:10:58.760 So we thought we had the perfect solution.

00:11:00.840 We put an echo in his room and said, look, you don't have to use it for anything else.

00:11:05.940 But just tell Alexa, Alexa, set the alarm for her and she'll do it. 1.00

00:11:10.120 She'll say, alarm set.

00:11:11.180 And then that's it.

00:11:12.100 She wakes you up and you say, Alexa, off.

00:11:14.260 Really simple, we thought.

00:11:15.900 But dad got nervous because he felt like there was a woman in his bedroom because her voice is in there.

00:11:23.840 Yeah, it's kind of freaky.

00:11:25.140 Yeah, and he goes to dad.

00:11:26.180 He says, Dan, I want you to come in here with me.

00:11:28.020 I'm going to talk to this woman.

00:11:29.220 And so then they decide to vet her by asking her first if she duck hunted.

00:11:34.800 And she said, I'm not sure, which raises all the paranoia, you know, for the situation.

00:11:39.940 And then it's like, then they start, he starts asking her Bible questions.

00:11:43.420 It's like, what do you think about first kindness?

00:11:46.200 Of course, you know, Alexa, she's not quite understanding.

00:11:49.280 So anyway, Alexa winds up out of the bedroom. 1.00

00:11:53.220 That's what happened as a result of that.

00:11:55.000 Gotcha.

00:11:55.440 She's out.

00:11:55.840 But something about a computer breakdown, she's not getting a proper signal.

00:12:00.220 Gotcha.

00:12:00.660 And I just started pulling out the wires to get that out of here.

00:12:03.060 Yeah.

00:12:03.640 But she did answer your question.

00:12:06.020 Everywhere, no matter what, they go by the life of Jesus to determine time.

00:12:11.720 So I would think, what are the odds that of all the people on planet Earth going back to whenever they started,

00:12:21.880 if the Atheist was right, a big explosion, and then with the ocean, salt water made us. 0.99

00:12:27.440 The human race is here.

00:12:29.460 What are the odds out of that entire group that we count time by one of them?

00:12:37.220 Just one of them.

00:12:37.940 Just one.

00:12:38.540 You're like, we count time by it.

00:12:41.500 How in the world would you ever pull that off?

00:12:44.120 I would think whoever you're counting time by, I think I would at least, you know, all the years before him are called all the years before him, B.C.

00:12:56.560 I would think he would be worthy of investigation at minimum.

00:13:01.560 If we're counting time by him, how in the world did they ever decide that?

00:13:07.100 You know, some monk, you know, Constantine sent him down there to the Roman, you know, where they kept all the laws and all that,

00:13:15.900 and he checked into it and back-checked it, and he's the one that kind of came up with the date.

00:13:20.500 Oh, Dionysius, Eusebius Dionysius, I think his name was, and he's the one that researched it for Constantine, you know,

00:13:28.900 in about 500 A.D., you know, they went back and looked and said, you know, when did he show up?

00:13:34.360 Because he was converted.

00:13:36.460 He wanted to know.

00:13:37.380 He said, I want to know the exact year he showed up.

00:13:40.100 So he was pretty wise to do that.

00:13:42.860 I would think modern-day people at least would investigate what he had to say, what he did, what he will do.

00:13:52.420 I would at least investigate it.

00:13:53.880 He's worth investigation if immortality is riding on it.

00:14:01.080 I would at least look into it, I would think.

00:14:04.540 Yeah.

00:14:04.920 You can go the medical world or you can go the spiritual world, but we're going to die,

00:14:10.180 and I don't think we have the technology yet to raise people from the dead.

00:14:15.560 I know there are a lot of people, probably most people listening to this, have heard your story of how you actually came to faith,

00:14:23.320 going from, you know, owning a segregated bar to now being a pastor and a Christian.

00:14:29.860 But can you talk a little bit more about hearing the gospel or really understanding the gospel for the first time?

00:14:36.780 I'm guessing you had probably heard it before you actually became a Christian.

00:14:39.940 What was different about that when you actually started following Christ?

00:14:43.200 What I heard was pretty well hammered, you have to hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized.

00:14:57.000 That's what I heard.

00:14:58.120 Unfortunately for me, at 28, when the guy said, you know what the gospel is, and I said, maybe the Chuck Wagon gang on, you know, gospel music on the radio.

00:15:13.840 Yeah.

00:15:14.220 He said, you don't even know what it is.

00:15:17.240 I said, see, my problem is I was taught to have to hear, believe, repent, confess, and be baptized.

00:15:26.440 I said, my question to you is, Mr. Preacher, hear what?

00:15:31.840 And he said, the gospel.

00:15:34.220 And I said, gospel music on the radio?

00:15:37.460 Yeah.

00:15:38.460 So he writes it out, and I just noticed this here.

00:15:44.220 I didn't know we were going to do this.

00:15:46.820 He wrote this on a piece of paper.

00:15:49.280 By the way, when I first met Donald Trump, I did the same thing.

00:15:53.940 I wrote this on a piece of paper, and I said, whatever happens, he was running for office at this time.

00:16:02.720 Saw him a couple times after that, but while he was running for office, I said, whatever happens, Trump, don't miss this.

00:16:10.340 There's an arrow, God becoming flesh.

00:16:14.000 I said, we count.

00:16:15.240 Can you show the camera?

00:16:15.720 It shows the camera.

00:16:16.720 I said, we count time by that.

00:16:19.280 I said, there's a cross after that, Trump.

00:16:23.220 I said, there's a cross.

00:16:24.440 Jesus died on the cross.

00:16:26.160 I said, for the sins of the world.

00:16:28.360 I said, you do have sins, don't you, Trump?

00:16:31.320 What did he say?

00:16:31.980 And he said, a lot of them.

00:16:33.880 I said, me too.

00:16:35.520 Wow.

00:16:35.940 That's pretty amazing, actually, that he said that.

00:16:39.340 I thought it was, so I thought, well, so I told him, I said, I have a lot, too.

00:16:44.760 I said, they put him in a tomb.

00:16:46.780 I said, Trump, whatever happens, I said, we're the same age.

00:16:51.940 We're identical age.

00:16:53.120 I said, we don't have that long.

00:16:54.980 We're in our 70s.

00:16:56.220 I said, Trump, we're going to die, and you're going to go six feet under, and so am I.

00:17:02.340 Right?

00:17:02.780 He said, no doubt about it.

00:17:05.620 I said, he was resurrected from the dead.

00:17:10.660 I said, you can live beyond the grave.

00:17:13.740 I said, it's the greatest thing that ever happened for the human race.

00:17:17.040 Remove all your sin and raise you from the dead.

00:17:20.280 I said, see that final error?

00:17:22.640 I said, that's the return.

00:17:24.560 All we're waiting on is the return.

00:17:26.920 I said, I hope you win the presidency.

00:17:30.480 I'm going to vote for you.

00:17:31.600 I said, but in the meantime, you need to think seriously about that and give your life to Jesus

00:17:37.080 because it's bigger than the presidency.

00:17:39.760 I said, you can have immortality.

00:17:43.240 I started, I said, have a nice day, and I took a step back, and he said, hey.

00:17:48.020 He said, can I have that?

00:17:50.100 I said, and I gave it to him, and I walked out the door.

00:17:54.520 I saw him a couple of times after that.

00:17:56.600 I said, have they baptized you yet?

00:17:58.580 He said, no, I need to do that.

00:18:00.060 I said, if you don't do it, I said, I'll come up there and baptize you if you can't find anybody up there in the White House that will baptize you.

00:18:08.080 I said, Jesus said, you know, go make disciples, baptize them.

00:18:12.280 So I said, hey, I'm just following, carrying out instructions here.

00:18:15.800 But that's whether he did or not, I don't know.

00:18:18.320 Wow, I'm really heartened by that.

00:18:24.100 I know that there have been people who have shared the gospel with Trump, but there's a lot of people who have supported him politically, like I have, that have just really wanted that so badly for him to see that heart change.

00:18:35.500 I'm so glad that you shared the gospel with him like that.

00:18:37.620 So I'm not a judge of any man, but he heard the gospel.

00:18:42.180 Yes.

00:18:42.640 But it also didn't leave him because when Dad's last book came out, or maybe it was the first one, the president called Dad and congratulated him.

00:18:52.900 I just happened to be there, so I was overhearing the conversation.

00:18:56.700 And he brought it up before Dad ever said anything.

00:18:59.380 He brought it up.

00:18:59.940 He said, you know, I still got that piece of paper you gave me.

00:19:03.120 Wow.

00:19:03.740 But for him to bring that up, two years later.

00:19:06.960 He thinks about it.

00:19:07.680 He thinks about it.

00:19:08.220 He's the president of the United States.

00:19:09.380 It's not like he didn't have a couple of things going on.

00:19:11.120 Right.

00:19:11.360 And when he talked to Dad, first of all, he said, Phil, America needs people like you that are willing to speak, you know, about faith.

00:19:20.960 And so that was his first thing he said.

00:19:22.180 For him to take the time with some joker like me, you know, to call me up and say, you know, I appreciate what you're doing and all that, you know.

00:19:29.480 I had been on Fox News, and I took up for him when the guy with the glasses.

00:19:35.160 Cavuto.

00:19:35.880 Cavuto.

00:19:36.760 Cavuto said, you claim you're a Christian guy?

00:19:39.720 I said, yeah.

00:19:41.000 He said, well, why would you vote for somebody like Donald Trump?

00:19:46.040 Cavuto said that to you.

00:19:47.360 Yeah.

00:19:47.840 Yeah.

00:19:48.060 He was like, you know, he's got a lot of bad stuff going on.

00:19:50.180 Why would you support him?

00:19:50.980 I said, Cavuto.

00:19:51.660 I said, so you say I shouldn't run with Trump because he sins a lot.

00:19:55.340 I said, what about your sins, Cavuto?

00:19:57.580 Reckon you have a few?

00:19:58.560 He said, you talking to me?

00:20:00.720 I said, yeah.

00:20:01.960 You got any sins?

00:20:03.140 He said, it's getting hot in here.

00:20:05.640 No way.

00:20:06.940 That's funny.

00:20:08.480 He said, it's getting hot in here.

00:20:10.300 Well, Trump saw that, and he said, I'm glad you got old Cavuto.

00:20:13.700 You got him in his own sin.

00:20:15.100 Yeah.

00:20:15.160 What I'm saying is, I mean, you know, people would judge him, you know, a little caustic

00:20:20.880 personality, but I didn't have time to go into all the fruit of the spirit, love, joy,

00:20:25.620 peace, patience, kindness, goodness.

00:20:28.380 Donald Trump, I wrote in the front of my Bible, look, this is a little good news for Trump.

00:20:35.200 I just wrote this down.

00:20:39.420 Acumen, keenness and quickness in understanding and dealing with a situation, shrewdness, mental

00:20:47.500 acuteness.

00:20:48.420 But he was a little caustic personality.

00:20:52.240 He had a caustic personality.

00:20:54.740 But as far as acumen, pro-God, pro-gun so we can hunt ducks, pro-life, I'm like, yeah.

00:21:06.460 And I shared Jesus with him, and he did not say, get that Bible out of my face. 0.71

00:21:10.800 I don't want to, no.

00:21:12.140 Yeah.

00:21:12.520 He listened intently.

00:21:13.740 I thought he did a terrific job.

00:21:17.400 Yeah.

00:21:17.800 Gas was about $1.30 a gallon.

00:21:19.860 Now it's seven.

00:21:20.320 Not true anymore.

00:21:22.200 Not true anymore, that's for sure.

00:21:24.500 One of the most interesting and shocking to me or just surprising stories that I've heard

00:21:30.880 you guys talk about is that you recently found out that you had a daughter, right, that you

00:21:35.560 did not know about.

00:21:36.700 Can you talk a little bit more about that?

00:21:38.400 And I would love to hear how that was for you as well.

00:21:40.560 Sure.

00:21:41.100 Yeah, I probably can tell it better than I can.

00:21:42.960 Well, I think that it was really powerful because, you know, this story has been played

00:21:48.340 out a lot with the rise of 23andMe and DNA and, you know, all the different ways that

00:21:53.680 people find things out.

00:21:55.480 And Phyllis, you know, had always questioned.

00:21:59.640 She just didn't seem to quite fill in her family, and she couldn't figure out why.

00:22:03.800 And, of course, it turns out later, you know, when she's 44 years old, that she finally

00:22:08.620 finds out through her son taking the DNA test, just to check on his heritage, that nothing

00:22:14.260 fit.

00:22:15.380 Wow.

00:22:15.800 And so then she went on a quest for the next year and a half to find out who her...

00:22:19.020 When I was a kid, she said she would walk to the church building.

00:22:22.920 Wherever they were, they moved around quite a bit.

00:22:25.620 But she would walk.

00:22:27.060 There's a little girl walking there.

00:22:29.160 See?

00:22:29.780 Godly girl.

00:22:30.840 She was... 0.97

00:22:31.240 She said, I didn't know why I was doing that, but I just had this...

00:22:34.640 Wow.

00:22:34.820 She had a draw in her towards faith.

00:22:37.580 And, again, she didn't necessarily share that with everybody in her family.

00:22:40.460 And so it was really amazing that, you know, she sends a letter.

00:22:43.940 We finally get the letter.

00:22:45.800 Dad does the DNA test.

00:22:47.100 So does she.

00:22:47.760 And, of course, it's a 99.99% match.

00:22:50.200 Crazy.

00:22:50.940 And she was a nurse up in Springfield.

00:22:53.500 Her husband is an artist.

00:22:56.480 But they were very godly people.

00:22:58.620 They were missionaries on the field in Nicaragua.

00:23:01.080 Wow.

00:23:01.500 And so they didn't really know much about the show.

00:23:04.220 You know, they had some family that knew about it, but they never watched her anything.

00:23:07.560 So when they came into it, it was more just kind of eyes wide open.

00:23:10.820 Now, they knew they were...

00:23:12.280 Her dad was a famous person.

00:23:14.400 So she realized that.

00:23:15.560 But it's been totally, for the last two and a half years, just this idea of we're getting, you know,

00:23:22.660 we really learned to now know each other, which is so powerful.

00:23:25.860 Now, she lives with her husband next door to dad.

00:23:29.300 Wow.

00:23:29.780 Come on down. 0.94

00:23:30.460 Really?

00:23:30.840 Yeah, we'll give you a house. 0.98

00:23:32.180 Oh, I didn't realize that.

00:23:33.900 So they came down.

00:23:35.400 So when they flew in here, I'd never seen my long-lost daughter.

00:23:41.140 Yeah.

00:23:41.600 Think about it.

00:23:41.940 Almost 50 years, 48 years.

00:23:44.120 Wow.

00:23:44.400 45 to 48 years.

00:23:46.640 She shows up, and Miss Kay hugs her first, and she turns around and sees me standing there

00:23:54.860 about 10 feet apart, and she was just looking at me, and I'm looking at her.

00:24:00.720 I bet that's surreal.

00:24:01.680 She walks up, and I put my hands on her face like that, and I'm looking into her eyes, you know.

00:24:08.880 I said, yep, she's mine.

00:24:11.720 Oh, wow.

00:24:13.520 What was so powerful about that, Alice, because I had been, and my brothers had been prepping

00:24:19.020 her that, look, dad is not a very compassionate type person.

00:24:22.180 He's not touchy-feely.

00:24:23.580 So we were like, he's probably not going to, you know, just don't feel embarrassed if he's

00:24:27.480 like stiff hugs, you know.

00:24:29.220 And then the first time she meets him, he puts, you know, her face in his hands.

00:24:32.920 Yeah.

00:24:33.140 I just wanted to see if there was some of me in there.

00:24:35.580 Wow.

00:24:35.820 And then they sat on the couch and talked, just the two of them, for like 30 or 40 minutes

00:24:39.200 while we were all in the kitchen, because they just wanted to talk to each other.

00:24:42.260 Yeah.

00:24:42.880 But it was everything she had dreamed and hoped for.

00:24:45.520 Oh.

00:24:46.000 And so, but it was so amazing to us, because I was looking at the situation and said, who

00:24:49.780 is this man who I thought was my dad, now because it's a daughter, triggered something

00:24:56.320 different.

00:24:56.700 A sinful act got her on planet Earth. 1.00

00:25:01.340 Mm-hmm.

00:25:02.240 So when you read the text, like, you know, Romans 8 there, God works for the good of those

00:25:08.200 who call him and are loved by him.

00:25:11.200 You say, in all things, God works for the good.

00:25:14.380 So you say.

00:25:15.920 Yeah.

00:25:16.360 So we both looked at that text and she was like, I'm glad I'm here because, you know,

00:25:23.300 I wouldn't have been here, but I mean, it's a tough way to get here.

00:25:25.860 So two of her sons got married the year after we first met them.

00:25:30.420 I got to be the best man at one of them because of COVID.

00:25:32.920 It's a long story.

00:25:33.600 But then the second son, I was able to do his wedding because we've just built this amazing

00:25:38.680 bond.

00:25:39.860 And so when I met her mom for the first time and when I was leaving the wedding, I leaned

00:25:45.400 into her and I said, I just want to thank you for choosing life when it wasn't convenient

00:25:52.680 for you to do it.

00:25:53.540 And because you did that, I now have a sister that I didn't know.

00:25:58.380 And if you had not chosen that, I never would have known her.

00:26:00.580 Right.

00:26:00.860 So I just thanked her because, you know, I don't know this woman, but I mean, she chose

00:26:05.660 life in a bad situation.

00:26:08.080 Yeah.

00:26:08.260 Because of that, we now get the blessing of this life together.

00:26:11.420 So it's all the components we talk about with Pro-Life and all that.

00:26:15.000 I mean, we literally lived it out.

00:26:16.620 That's right.

00:26:16.920 Oh, the twist and turns of life.

00:26:19.840 Yeah.

00:26:23.640 My goodness.

00:26:24.540 I just, God's redemption and seen in that story and so much of your testimony, it reminds

00:26:31.280 me that when God is doing one thing or we think that he's doing one thing, he's actually doing

00:26:37.320 a million things, a million unseen things that we might not know the what or the why behind

00:26:44.480 for years.

00:26:45.180 And that's a very, like a peace giving realization in the moment when it seems like nothing's

00:26:49.820 going right or, wow, why did this happen?

00:26:52.980 For example, my mom, you know, she's small town, Arkansas.

00:26:56.300 My mom's from El Dorado, Arkansas, and her mom had an aneurysm.

00:27:01.220 Doctor misdiagnosed her.

00:27:02.540 Long story short, my mom's mom ends up dying in the hospital because of this misdiagnosis.

00:27:07.580 And my mom's young.

00:27:08.760 She's got two young kids.

00:27:09.880 It was the most devastating thing that had ever happened to her.

00:27:13.020 And if she tells this story, she'll still cry to this day.

00:27:15.880 Just a few months later, I think it was a few months or maybe it was a couple of years

00:27:20.660 later, she had a family approach her in church and said, because of your mom's misdiagnosis,

00:27:26.300 and that really caused a big deal at the hospital and everything that happened, his wife suffered

00:27:31.560 the exact same symptoms.

00:27:32.900 And she was a young mom of five.

00:27:34.580 And because of that, because of the misdiagnosis of my grandmother, this woman's life was saved.

00:27:40.240 Of course, at the time, my mom didn't realize that that's what was happening or why.

00:27:44.880 But again, when God is doing one thing, he might be doing a million things and we might

00:27:49.120 not see the manifestation of that redemption for years to come.

00:27:52.640 Yep.

00:27:52.740 So I'm just inspired by that story for y'all.

00:27:57.460 And go ahead.

00:27:58.880 Are you about to say something?

00:28:00.140 No.

00:28:00.760 That's...

00:28:01.360 But I did want to transition to, we just have a few minutes left, and I did want to hear

00:28:05.200 more about your book.

00:28:05.940 And maybe this is a good jumping off point, because this is also kind of part of your

00:28:10.340 testimony and what you've learned being a Christian since.

00:28:14.340 I think you pointed to Colossians 2 when we were talking about uncanceled.

00:28:19.720 And so tell us a little bit more about that and how you kind of came to write this book

00:28:23.940 and why you've taken us to Colossians 2.

00:28:27.560 Gordon Dasher, my brother-in-law, we were looking at this text here, and he showed it

00:28:33.600 to me.

00:28:34.020 We just brought it up, was talking about it.

00:28:35.940 Uh, he starts with our new birth.

00:28:40.000 In him, this is Colossians 2.11, you were also circumcised in the putting off of the 0.98

00:28:46.720 sinful nature.

00:28:47.700 You say, that's a strange way to say what happens at baptism.

00:28:52.380 Not with a circumcision done by the hands of men, but with the circumcision done by Christ.

00:28:58.420 Having been buried with him in baptism and raised with him through your faith and the

00:29:05.160 power of God who raised him from the dead.

00:29:07.780 When you were dead in your sins, everybody, when they, when the, when they see the law,

00:29:17.720 once I was alive apart from law, the apostle Paul said in Romans about Romans seven, once

00:29:25.040 I was alive apart from law, but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died.

00:29:33.480 So that knocks out children being dead in their sins.

00:29:40.660 Once he was alive apart from law, you say, what, what was that timeframe from the time

00:29:45.860 he was born until he got old enough and his conscience developed.

00:29:49.880 And then he understood what the law said because he violated it.

00:29:55.540 So when you were dead in your sins and all, everybody gets canceled at the beginning and

00:30:02.680 in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature, God made you alive with Christ.

00:30:08.840 He forgave us all our sins.

00:30:12.160 And listen to this, having canceled the written code, start with the top 10.

00:30:19.540 No God, but me, don't misuse my name.

00:30:22.740 Don't bow down to idols, work six days, rest one children, obey your father and mother.

00:30:28.380 Don't murder.

00:30:29.340 Don't commit adultery.

00:30:30.400 Don't steal.

00:30:31.180 Don't lie.

00:30:31.920 Don't covet.

00:30:32.560 You're like, Oh my goodness.

00:30:34.460 I didn't even, I didn't do well with the top 10.

00:30:37.260 Well, he takes that, he comes down, he wrote it, he keeps it perfectly, 100%, then dies

00:30:47.840 on a cross to get us out from under it.

00:30:50.540 You're like, Oh, thank you, Lord.

00:30:54.840 All my mistakes, you've, God made him who had no sin to be sin for us so that in him we

00:31:02.340 might become the righteousness of God.

00:31:05.180 Having canceled the written code with its regulations that was against us, it stood opposed

00:31:11.900 to us.

00:31:12.540 He took it away, nailing it to the cross.

00:31:16.340 He disarmed the powers and authorities, the evil one, Satan, and he made a public spectacle

00:31:23.300 of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

00:31:27.700 So, when God did that, I just wrote a book because I see in America this horrific situation

00:31:43.840 we found ourselves in and the canceling of each other, trying to ruin someone's life just

00:31:50.740 because you can find out a mistake they made when they were 16 and hold it against them

00:31:57.100 the rest of their life.

00:31:58.960 And you see people who live the life of sin and you say, well, you know, have you ever

00:32:06.040 thought about just maybe forgiving them?

00:32:07.980 Jesus, when they came to him and said, hey, how many times should we forgive someone when

00:32:15.140 they sin against us?

00:32:16.400 Seven?

00:32:17.580 And Peter probably thought he was being nice.

00:32:20.960 And Jesus said, 70 times seven.

00:32:23.340 And you look around and you say, boy, if we use the same code that the world uses, none

00:32:33.740 of us could make it.

00:32:35.500 So, when Jesus said, I will uncancel you from now on the rest of your life on earth, your

00:32:43.540 past sins are no more.

00:32:45.540 I'm not holding them against you.

00:32:47.120 I'm not counting your future ones against you.

00:32:49.680 I'll be there to mediate for you.

00:32:51.740 Just trust in me.

00:32:52.760 You make a mistake, give them to me.

00:32:55.340 I'll take them away.

00:32:56.580 I'll take them away.

00:32:57.880 So, it was a wonderful thing.

00:33:00.080 I'm just hoping that our culture will say, you know, if we say we care about our neighbor

00:33:09.640 in any fashion, you would at least keep no record of their wrongs.

00:33:16.520 I mean, give me a break.

00:33:17.860 We all make mistakes.

00:33:19.080 So, I'm just trying to get people to be more like Jesus and forgive each other than to hold

00:33:24.980 something against somebody and try to ruin their life for no reason at all, really, just

00:33:29.740 because you can.

00:33:31.880 You're on the computer back there in the back and you say, ah, I got one right here.

00:33:37.100 I caught him in a mistake.

00:33:39.280 I caught her in a mistake. 0.97

00:33:40.800 And they hold it against you for now.

00:33:43.620 I don't think it's the way to go.

00:33:45.580 How about just loving them enough to forgive them?

00:33:50.200 I'm sure you have sins, right?

00:33:52.440 And everybody has to say, yeah, a lot of them.

00:33:55.360 I said, your best course of action, love does no harm to its neighbor.

00:34:03.940 Therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law.

00:34:07.360 In other words, don't lie.

00:34:09.400 If you love God, you're not going to lie to him or anyone else.

00:34:13.260 Don't murder.

00:34:14.340 If you love God, you're not going to murder your neighbor because if he did this, he did

00:34:19.880 that and don't steal, if you love your neighbor, you're not going to steal his stuff.

00:34:25.560 If you love your neighbor, you're not going to mess with his woman. 1.00

00:34:29.060 It just, you say, therefore, love is the fulfillment of the law, the whole thing.

00:34:34.940 So I'm just trying to get America to be nicer to one another.

00:34:39.620 I know it's a tough gospel because of the gospel.

00:34:43.300 Yes.

00:34:43.580 And amen.

00:34:44.220 Well, thank you so much.

00:34:45.220 The book is called Uncanceled.

00:34:46.460 It came out about a month ago.

00:34:47.900 You can get it wherever books are sold.

00:34:49.880 And the Unashamed podcast, you can also listen to that everywhere.

00:34:53.520 It's also on Blaze TV.

00:34:54.820 Y'all have got bonus material if you actually subscribe to blazetv.com slash unashamed.

00:35:00.800 We've got bonus material on there.

00:35:02.460 We had a fun conversation.

00:35:04.000 Our podcast, I think, will be out by the time when this one comes out.

00:35:07.520 So thank y'all so much.

00:35:09.260 Thank y'all for joining me.

00:35:10.120 Thank you, Ellen.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 31, 2022

Ep 592 ｜ Sharing the Gospel with Trump ｜ Guests： Phil & Al Robertson

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