Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 595 ｜ Disney & the Dark History of Gender Grooming

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00:00:23.160 Okay, we've got a big episode today. I have a lot to say. Even more than usual,

00:00:29.100 I know that you guys are going to like this episode. When I'm preparing for particular

00:00:32.800 episodes, I can just tell, okay, this is one that people are going to like and share a lot. And I

00:00:37.840 hope that's true. I hope this is one that you do share and you talk about with your friends because

00:00:42.460 I'm going to say some things, of course, that are controversial to the mainstream, but that I hope

00:00:47.400 are also a little thought-provoking and that cause you to have good discussions with your friends

00:00:51.440 and family. That is always my hope for Relatable, but especially when we talk about the things

00:00:55.860 like the ones we are talking about today. We are going to peel back the layers on this whole

00:01:01.120 Disney fiasco, Florida bill fiasco in a unique way because I know that you've heard a lot of

00:01:07.720 people talking about it. We've already talked about it on this show, but I hope to give you a unique

00:01:12.980 perspective and analysis, of course, from a Christian perspective, but just talk about some things that

00:01:18.300 I think haven't been fully said and analyzed quite yet. We're going to debunk some of the new

00:01:23.700 propaganda that you're hearing about Disney's battle in Florida and unveil why the company is

00:01:30.300 acting the way it is, or at least from my perspective. And what I mean by that is why

00:01:35.660 they are so viciously opposing the Florida parental rights law, why they are so committed to introducing

00:01:41.180 quote, queer content to our children, which they've been very outspoken about when a huge percentage of

00:01:47.180 their customers don't want that kind of programming. And a huge percentage of customers actually support

00:01:52.680 Florida's bill. And I'll just read some statistics on that from the Daily Wire. They conducted a poll

00:01:58.400 of people from all political backgrounds, and they found that more than six in 10 Americans support the

00:02:03.960 Florida bill's ban on classroom instructions on sexual orientation and gender identity in grades K

00:02:09.720 through third, and agree that this kind of curriculum would need to be presented in a way that is age

00:02:16.880 appropriate. 21% said they oppose the bill. The Florida measure is backed by 69% of Republicans, 62% of

00:02:25.400 Democrats, 57% of independents, and 68% of parents support the Florida bill's classroom instruction

00:02:33.480 regulations. They just actually had to be presented with the text of the bill, this HB 1557 that we have

00:02:43.520 discussed in the past. Rather than just being presented by MSNBC propaganda or have that presented

00:02:50.660 to them, they just needed to read the text of the bill. And when people saw the truth of what the bill

00:02:55.320 is, they actually tended to support it. So the question that I have is why doesn't Disney care about

00:03:01.280 that? Why does it seem like they are beholden to a small group of radical activists? Why don't other

00:03:06.620 corporations care about alienating at least half of their customer base when they support radical

00:03:11.500 organizations and policies and culture war issues that we, millions of us, do not align with? Now,

00:03:17.740 we've talked about some of this stuff in the past. Those of you who have been listening for a while

00:03:21.300 have listened to Great Reset episodes. You might know a little bit of where I'm going in this direction,

00:03:26.420 but some of what we talk about I think is still going to surprise you, faithful listeners. And as I

00:03:31.600 said, we will also talk about as Christians, as Christian moms, how do we approach this? Do we boycott

00:03:36.960 Disney? Does that mean we have to boycott every single entity that stands for things that we don't

00:03:41.680 like? What is the godly response to all of this madness? So I'm going to give you my perspective

00:03:46.860 on all of that. But first, let me let me back up. Let me give you some context about why we are even

00:03:52.460 talking about Disney in case you didn't know. And I can link some past episodes on it, but I'll just

00:03:57.520 give you a quick rundown. So Florida passed a bill called HB 1557, the parental rights and education

00:04:03.560 bill, which prohibits schools from keeping secrets about a child and their well-being from their

00:04:08.700 parents, including, for example, if the teacher if the child tells a teacher that he wants to be the

00:04:14.940 opposite sex, the school cannot keep that a secret from parents. Also, there can be no formal classroom

00:04:21.800 discussions about gender identity and sexual orientation in kindergarten through third grade.

00:04:28.580 So that's five to nine year olds. Now, in my opinion, that doesn't go far enough, but it is what

00:04:34.740 it is. That's what the bill now the law is. So Disney got into hot water. I think it was the beginning

00:04:40.540 of March with this with its own employees when the CEO, Bob Chapek, refused to publicly condemn the

00:04:47.600 bill. He kind of said, oh, you know, I support our LGBTQ employees, but I don't want to weigh in on this

00:04:53.920 publicly. It's not going to make that much of a difference. Well, that wasn't good enough. It's never good

00:04:58.240 enough for progressivism because they progressives lose sleep at night thinking that there is a random

00:05:05.440 person out there who might disagree with them and might not feel as adamantly about the issues

00:05:10.940 that they care about as they do. And so, as I've said before, progressivism, they talk about being

00:05:17.480 anti-American imperialism. They are actually very progressive. Progressivism is very imperialistic in

00:05:23.580 that it seeks to take over institutions and make institutions into their image, conform institutions

00:05:30.340 to their goals and their agenda. Progressivism is insanely imperialistic and very controlling

00:05:36.720 in its actions. And that's what we saw with Disney. So after the backlash from these progressive

00:05:42.200 employees and outside activist groups and the company's stakeholders, Disney publicly denounced the

00:05:47.740 bill in so many words and announced investment, financial investment into LGBTQ plus plus plus

00:05:54.740 organizations and projects and projects and renewed their commitment to LGBTQ content for children.

00:06:02.940 Critics called the HB 1557 the don't say gay bill. There's all kinds of propaganda about the bill

00:06:10.620 pushed by the mainstream media. First of all, as we've noted many times, as many people have noted many

00:06:16.640 times, the bill, the law doesn't have the word gay in it. There's no prohibition of informal speech.

00:06:22.520 Teachers can have personal conversations with students about these things if they want.

00:06:27.200 Although I think that's weird, but they can. They're allowed to. Teachers could talk about their

00:06:31.940 personal lives, which again, you don't really need to do that in a way that would bring up sexual

00:06:37.780 orientation and gender identity with young children anyway. And this is another thing that you'll hear

00:06:44.180 people say, oh, this is going to, this is going to exacerbate or enable abuse of children who are

00:06:50.960 uncomfortable going home and telling their parents about their feelings or whatever. But that is just

00:06:56.920 bunk because if teachers think that a child may be facing abuse at home because of their so-called

00:07:03.740 identity or for any other reason, they are already required by Florida law to report that. That's a

00:07:09.800 mandatory reporting law. So knowing all of these things, it is just hard. And I've said this many

00:07:16.020 times. It's hard to see any truthful, justified opposition to this bill. I haven't heard it yet.

00:07:23.800 Teachers and schools should not be keeping secrets about a child from the parent. That is like anti-child

00:07:30.860 abuse training 101. An adult who tells a child to keep a little secret between them from the child's

00:07:37.360 parent, especially in regards to gender or sexuality. And again, we're talking about five

00:07:41.920 to nine year olds in this bill has crossed the line into, I know this word is being overused a lot

00:07:48.640 recently, but that has crossed the line into grooming. They have. Now I'm not saying that every teacher who

00:07:54.760 does this is a pedophile, but that is, we have to just understand it for what it is. That is predatory

00:08:00.840 behavior. And again, if the teacher actually suspects abuse to the point to where they, she, you know,

00:08:06.700 she doesn't feel comfortable telling the parent something that a child told her because of that

00:08:11.440 fear, then the teacher needs to go to the authorities about that. So in no, in no scenario should she or

00:08:18.020 he be keeping secrets with the student about their gender or sexual feelings. I mean, obviously this was

00:08:24.060 obvious about five seconds ago until activists told us that trying to prohibit these conversations

00:08:30.520 is bigoted. I know some people are offended by the use of the word grooming when we talk about what

00:08:38.620 this bill is preventing. And I do agree. It's not a word that we should throw out nonchalantly. I don't

00:08:45.340 think that we should be calling everyone with whom we disagree a groomer or even saying that anyone who

00:08:51.740 opposes this bill is a groomer. I think we need to be very clear and very specific on what we mean.

00:08:57.020 However, I will say is I tweeted in a satirical, sarcastic thread this morning that if we were to

00:09:06.560 take the language and the logic of the left, when it comes to social, racial justice, anti-racist

00:09:14.500 ideology, then we would just be doubling down and saying, well, it's not enough to be not a groomer.

00:09:20.920 One has to be actively anti-grooming. And if you are defending yourself against being a groomer,

00:09:28.220 then maybe that's just groomer fragility speaking. And we really need to dismantle the systems,

00:09:35.260 the invisible systems of groomer supremacy that is so pervasive in our society. Maybe we should set up

00:09:43.100 an unelected government body of bureaucrats and activists, maybe the anti-grooming task force that

00:09:51.580 goes around to different entities and decides whether they're sufficiently anti-grooming. And hey,

00:09:57.320 don't make those of us doing the work of anti-grooming educate you. That's too much mental,

00:10:03.260 intellectual, and emotional labor. But also you need to get educated because if you know better,

00:10:09.120 you can do better. So go to Libs of TikToker, go to Chris Rufo. There are plenty of resources for you

00:10:14.860 to understand just how pervasive the problem of systemic grooming is. Oh, and by the way,

00:10:20.380 if your pastor is not preaching anti-grooming sermons, it's because they are on the wrong

00:10:25.160 side of history. So if we were the left, we would be using all of those logical fallacies to simply

00:10:33.180 double down on those accusations to basically say, if you disagree with us on any of this, it's because

00:10:38.920 you're a predator. That's what they do with racism. So hopefully that lets you see that the whole

00:10:43.920 anti-racist, white fragility, Ibram X. Kennedy, Nicole Hannah-Jones logic, reasoning, argumentation

00:10:51.140 that they and their ilk use is so damaging. It is so dishonest. It is so deceitful. And it's so stupid.

00:11:00.260 I mean, when it's flipped, when the script is flipped, when the tables have turned, people tend

00:11:08.400 to see on the left and the right how silly it is to make accusations like that. But we are not that

00:11:14.500 because I don't want to employ the use of logical fallacies. And so I don't want to use grooming in

00:11:20.280 a way that is not actually accurate because child grooming is something that is actually serious. It is

00:11:25.280 something that actually happens. But I do think that when we use the term grooming to describe

00:11:32.320 an adult, a teacher talking to young children without the consent and the presence of their

00:11:38.260 parents about things like gender identity and sexuality and sexual feelings, that is a form of

00:11:43.920 grooming. It is. And so I don't use that term. I don't use that word in a way that I don't really

00:11:51.680 mean, that in a way that is not purposeful. I do believe in defining our terms and being

00:11:55.720 purposeful about our language. I'm being purposeful about that. The fact of the matter is suggesting

00:12:01.660 to young children that they can switch their gender, which they can't, or talking to them about

00:12:06.200 sexual identity and attraction is grooming behavior. I have no doubt that many of the teachers doing

00:12:14.140 this, they think it's acceptable behavior because they've been taught that they might not have

00:12:18.980 predatory motivations. They're just ideologues. They've been convinced that this is what empathy

00:12:23.780 looks like. We talked about the danger of that on Monday. But even if this is not done with sexual

00:12:28.500 intent, it is still damaging. We'll talk a little bit more about that in just one second. Let me pause.

00:12:36.260 All of this is still priming a child's mind for confusion and identity crisis and potentially setting

00:12:43.800 them up for a life of hating their body and how God made them of sterilization through hormone blockers

00:12:49.180 and genital mutilation. Grooming them for that is, it's obviously wrong and it's predatory and we have

00:12:55.360 to call it what it is. The power of suggestion is so strong. It's strong for all of us, but especially

00:13:02.980 with children who are taught to and who naturally trust the adults in their lives. And when you think

00:13:08.080 about the predatory power of suggestion, I mean, suggestion can be a good thing in the sense that

00:13:14.280 like if you've ever been insecure about something or you didn't know that you have like a talent or

00:13:18.840 ability and someone suggests to you that you're actually good to it or good at it, that can change

00:13:24.060 how you see yourself or how you see your ability to do that thing. It can also be negative if someone

00:13:29.120 has ever told you that you look sick or tired. Even if you don't, you start feeling sick or tired.

00:13:33.820 So the negative, sinful power of suggestion really goes all the way back to the garden. That's all

00:13:41.720 Satan did. He twisted the truth and he said, did God really say? And let me suggest to you that the

00:13:47.100 power that you can get from eating this fruit that God has forbidden is this incredible power that will

00:13:53.740 make you equal to God. And man, there's so many facets of that that we could explore that Satan is

00:13:59.720 still perpetuating today. But the power of suggestion going all the way back to the first

00:14:06.300 end to the garden of Eden has potentially destructive power because human beings are both a product of

00:14:13.040 nature and nurture. So a lot of who we are is built in. We are born with it. But a big part of who we are

00:14:18.720 is shaped by our parents, by our teachers, education, our friends, our experiences, and the things that are

00:14:25.280 told to us and said about us. So some people are born with gender dysphoria. It's not a product of

00:14:33.320 suggestion in their lives. It's a mental disorder. According to the DSM-5, it's marked by consistent,

00:14:38.740 persistent, and insistent communication by a young child that they are in the wrong body. It's marked

00:14:44.000 by a lot of distress. And wow, we should have so much compassion for that. But it is not just a boy

00:14:50.340 liking ballet. It's not just a girl liking Tonka trucks. It's not a kid being different. It's not,

00:14:57.940 hey, I'm a girl who is insecure about my figure and someone on Reddit told me I may be the opposite

00:15:02.060 sex, so I decided I'm trans. That's not what gender dysphoria is. And yet when children who may be a bit

00:15:10.260 different, who maybe are a bit different, but are unsure about themselves, as all of us are at one

00:15:16.340 point when they are suggested that they're different, their uniqueness may mean that they

00:15:21.660 are the opposite sex, that they're in the wrong body, that they were so-called assigned the wrong

00:15:26.540 gender at birth, or that none of us actually know what we are until we decide one day when we're five

00:15:32.360 years old, of course a child is going to think about that. They might even be tormented about that

00:15:36.740 because, whoa, that's a huge responsibility to try to decide your identity. And if you see that being

00:15:43.020 the opposite sex as a child is met with celebration and attention and affirmation, of course that is

00:15:48.720 going to be intriguing. And that brings me to another point that I'm seeing in all of this.

00:15:54.740 Because you see this being said, well, if Florida is banning discussion of gender identity and sexual

00:16:00.220 orientation, then you can't talk about being cisgender or straight either. That's the new, gotcha, I saw that

00:16:06.120 on Instagram circulating on an account that just consistently posts propaganda misinformation about

00:16:12.740 everything conservative or Christian. So first of all, and this is going to be, this is going to be

00:16:19.580 scandalous, not this part, but the next part that I'm about to get into. First of all, I agree. I don't

00:16:24.820 want any form of sexuality or gender ideology discussed in the classroom, especially kindergarten

00:16:29.640 through third grade, especially without the consent or presence of the parents. But to the people who

00:16:36.280 say, okay, then there can't be any books that show anything heterosexual or that show heterosexual

00:16:42.160 couples like a prince kissing a princess. Look, I get the point. I understand the gotcha. I understand

00:16:48.660 the logic that you are trying to employ. But are you ready for this? Heterosexual is not a sexual

00:16:54.800 orientation. Cisgender is not gender identity. I know that's controversial. Heterosexual is just what

00:17:02.980 human beings necessarily are in the sense that we are sexually dimorphic beings. Like most other

00:17:09.160 creatures on earth, it is the reason why anyone on earth today or throughout history exists or has

00:17:13.820 existed. Men and women rely on each other's reproductive systems to perpetuate our species.

00:17:19.840 That's not an orientation. It is the natural and necessary form and function of a

00:17:24.800 human being. People have feelings of attraction to the same sex. Yes, I'm not saying that that

00:17:29.580 doesn't exist, of course, but those are feelings of attraction. For the Christian, we know that there

00:17:35.080 is no biblical, but also there's really no scientific category of orientation. Feelings in orientation

00:17:42.640 are two different things. I mean, that's kind of just worldly speak about sexual identity that

00:17:50.740 Christians should kind of take a step back from and question. There is also no biblical or scientific

00:17:57.120 category of gender identity that is separate from sex, as we've talked about many times.

00:18:02.580 In Genesis 127, God made us in his image. He made us male and female in his image. That's it. Yes,

00:18:10.200 intersex people exist. And I hate that they are lumped in with the whole transgender movement because

00:18:15.280 it's not the same thing. Intersex people have a very rare disorder that does not negate the rule

00:18:24.160 of sexual dimorphism in the same way that people born with only one leg don't negate the fact that

00:18:31.340 humans are bipeds. The exception does not write or rewrite the rule. Our bodies tell us who we are.

00:18:38.900 They are not subject to our thoughts or feelings or declarations. There's no such thing as cisgender.

00:18:47.160 There is male, there is female, and then there is confusion. This all goes back to the telos or the

00:18:54.940 purpose of our bodies, as we have talked about. Teleology is the knowledge or study of purpose.

00:19:01.220 Organisms have a telos. Every organism does. So a bird's body has a purpose. It has a function.

00:19:07.520 A bird cannot be a fish. If you throw a parrot into the water, it's not going to be able to swim.

00:19:12.760 Its body doesn't have that purpose. It doesn't have that ability. A leaf has a purpose and a

00:19:17.120 function. It cannot be an ice cube. It doesn't function the same way. So form determines function,

00:19:23.720 including for human beings. Our form is male and female, with parts that go together to keep our

00:19:29.300 species going. That is a fundamental fact of our existence. So yes, it is different for children

00:19:38.840 to learn an age-appropriate form of that versus some kind of radical progressive ideology about

00:19:44.580 sexuality and gender that contradicts this fact, that contradicts our biological telos. We just need

00:19:50.560 to own that fact that yes, while we don't want any kind of sex ed of any kind at this age or any age

00:19:56.640 without parents' consent, we are okay with girls and boys seeing a mommy and daddy together in a book.

00:20:02.200 We are okay with kids learning that there are only two genders. Like, let's not pretend as Christians

00:20:07.120 and conservatives that that's not what we're saying. Well, I can't speak for everyone, but I think,

00:20:12.420 I mean, for me, for a lot of people, we're not saying that we want complete neutrality where we

00:20:17.320 just pretend like people are blobs and that procreation does not exist. No, like, we want

00:20:25.280 our kids to learn about the natural family. That doesn't mean demonizing anyone. Kids who have two

00:20:31.060 moms or two dads should not be alienated. They shouldn't be condescended in any way. Their parents

00:20:36.340 also shouldn't be treated unkindly. But yeah, we want them to see mom-dad kids. We want them to learn

00:20:43.340 in the most basic elementary way that our bodies are good. That being a boy is great and you can

00:20:49.480 like what you like. Being a girl is great. You can like what you like. We have differences and

00:20:53.960 these differences are good. So let's not pretend that we want to ban all books that talk about

00:21:00.160 boys or girls or mommies and daddies together. We don't want progressive sexual and gender ideology

00:21:05.800 taught, especially to young children, especially without the informed consent of the parents.

00:21:10.380 Look, the left isn't pushing for neutrality. They're not interested in neutrality. They are

00:21:16.400 interested in imperialism. They are interested in control. There's really no such thing as neutrality.

00:21:22.980 As C.S. Lewis says, every single inch, every single square inch of the universe is claimed by God or

00:21:29.040 counterclaimed by Satan. There's no neutrality. And so the left is consistently and insistently pushing

00:21:36.320 for what they want, the ideology that they want. They're not interested in neutrality.

00:21:41.560 Why shouldn't we as Christians say, okay, that's what you secular progressives think is good and

00:21:45.980 right and true. Here's what we believe. No, to be good and right and true. We actually think this is

00:21:51.060 better for society. This is healthier for young kids to recognize the existence of male and female

00:21:56.000 and be okay with being a boy or a girl. Like, let's not pretend, oh, we just want to live in a world

00:22:03.240 where, I don't know, no one acknowledges the existence of male and female. Like, that's not

00:22:07.940 even possible. So let's just be honest about what we think is good and right and true. I don't even

00:22:13.260 think, here's another big thing here. I don't even think we have begun to scratch the surface of the

00:22:22.840 corruption and the perversion that is in the public school to gender clinic pipeline. You hear a lot

00:22:30.340 about the, what is it, like, high school to prison pipeline. There are different pipelines that a lot

00:22:37.520 of times more social justice activists talk about. Look, I don't think we even understand what exists in

00:22:44.860 the public school and maybe private school too, but any kind of education where the parents are kind

00:22:50.200 of disengaged and they're just going along to get along. The education to gender clinic pipeline

00:22:54.660 that suggests that power of suggestion, confusion to kids, pushes them into the arms of ideological

00:23:01.260 psychologists and doctors who question nothing. And because they want to get paid and they fear

00:23:08.480 backlash from activists, they prescribe the hormone blockers. They do the surgery. They encourage the

00:23:13.960 social transition. And parents are told, if you don't go along, your child will kill themselves.

00:23:19.960 That's what they're told. They're not told that their child is likely to kill themselves anyway,

00:23:23.620 even after surgery, because people who call themselves transgender have a higher likelihood,

00:23:27.380 sadly, of suicide, no matter what, even in much more progressive countries than our own,

00:23:31.340 like Sweden. This is the destruction that is encouraged when young children are given the

00:23:35.780 suggestion that the body they were born in was wrong. It's too much responsibility to give a child

00:23:40.820 to try to pick a new identity. It's damaging physically, psychologically. In an age of self-love,

00:23:47.020 we're encouraging kids to reject and hate their bodies and deny that the body God gave them is both

00:23:53.620 good and an indicator of who they are. That's really troubling to me. That's really troubling to me.

00:24:01.340 I want to read you some of this thread by this organization called Women's Voices. And they are a

00:24:12.100 pro-woman feminist organization that I'm sure I disagree with on a lot. I'm guessing they are probably

00:24:19.400 pro-choice. They probably consider themselves progressive in a lot of ways. And they don't consider

00:24:25.720 themselves anti-transgender, but they are pro-sex differences and pro-sex separate spaces for the

00:24:34.460 safety and for the rights of women. And they have uncovered a lot about the roots of the transgender

00:24:40.780 movement and transgender ideology. We have talked about on this podcast, I think it was in the episode

00:24:45.780 called Biblical Telos of Gender, which we can link again in the description of today's episode

00:24:51.180 of John Money, who was a doctor in the 1960s who experimented on two young boys. One of the boys had

00:24:59.180 a botched circumcision and Dr. Money convinced his parents to let him undergo a surgery and put him

00:25:05.380 on hormones to make him into a girl. Well, the little boy who grew up, David Reimer, I believe is his name,

00:25:11.200 he realized he just knew that he was in the wrong body. He knew that he was actually a boy. He didn't

00:25:17.760 like that he had had breasts that had developed because his parents had given him estrogen. And

00:25:24.620 so his parents told him the truth. I think it was when he was a teenager, maybe a young man, he

00:25:29.700 transitioned back into being who he really was. And that's not all of it. When he was younger,

00:25:38.680 Dr. Money performed experiments on him and his twin brother, sexual experiments made them engage

00:25:46.480 in sexual touching his children while he and other doctors watched and took notes. That is the person

00:25:52.940 who first came up with this concept of gender identity. Okay, so the roots of this stuff is really

00:25:58.760 disturbing. So when we're talking about the predation that is at times inherent in the ideology that

00:26:04.520 we're talking about, like we're not exaggerating here. This is something that goes back to the

00:26:09.300 very beginning. And what happened to the Reimer twin brothers? They both grew up and killed themselves.

00:26:14.540 I don't think we talk about that enough. I know I've talked about it. I know there are plenty of other

00:26:18.360 podcasters who have talked about it, but that's the roots of this stuff. Okay, so when we're saying

00:26:22.900 that we're looking out for children, we really are. But let me read you a little bit more from

00:26:27.540 Women's Voices. They've done a lot of research on the roots of transgender ideology. And this is not to say

00:26:34.240 that people who are gender dysphoric or people who are confused about their gender or people who

00:26:38.680 identify as transgender or who transition are perpetrators or perpetuators of the kind of

00:26:48.240 behavior and kind of thinking that we are about to talk about in this particular thread. That's not

00:26:52.420 what I'm saying. I'm saying the roots of the ideology. And yes, some members of the activist class

00:26:59.360 that have nefarious motives, that they do have these motivations and that this is the heart and

00:27:08.000 these are the roots. This is the foundation of what this movement is. And I think that if we

00:27:14.200 understood the wickedness that is really inherent in the activism portion of this ideology, we would

00:27:21.220 be a lot stronger in pushing back against it. So this is part of the thread and we can link it and we

00:27:27.380 can put it up on YouTube. So the creator of the trans flag, Robert Hogue, who goes by Monica Helms,

00:27:33.680 used to steal his mother's underwear, then move on to stealing random women's underwear for sexual

00:27:39.020 reasons and has written a story about an adult man marrying a teen girl who does not age. Monica

00:27:44.960 Helms designed the first trans pride flag in 1999. In More Than Just a Flag, which is Helms' memoir,

00:27:53.020 he states, I'm both man and woman, neither man nor woman, and sometimes both at the same time,

00:27:58.600 I believe enlightened. I believe I'm enlightened. My brain floats between multiple worlds. That

00:28:04.160 doesn't sound like a healthy person to you. That's because this is not healthy. And by the way,

00:28:08.440 I've always thought that it was strange that the trans flag is baby colors. Like,

00:28:12.800 is that not freak anyone else out? So he goes on to describe in his memoir, which they have posted

00:28:19.480 screenshots of. He uses the term girl in the shadows to refer to himself in third person.

00:28:27.580 I found several of my mother's cotton panties and bras. He said, the girl in the shadows wanted

00:28:31.540 to try them on. When I did, they felt exciting to wear. And then while serving with the U.S. Navy

00:28:37.820 during the 1970s, Helms began stealing women's underwear from the laundry room. A lace bra rolled

00:28:42.640 around. I became transfixed. I no longer obsessed about losing my virginity. I sensed a growing desire

00:28:47.580 to dress as a woman. This is the person who created the trans flag who continues to this

00:28:52.880 day to be an influential trans activist. Helms then described stealing women's underwear saying,

00:28:58.180 I walked up to the dryer, popped open the door, grabbed the bra. I had just stolen a bra from

00:29:02.440 a dryer. More than that, I enjoyed wearing it. Was I a pervert? I didn't know. This felt exciting.

00:29:09.440 He goes on to describe again throughout the memoir of buying and stealing women's underwear.

00:29:15.200 He said that he later decided that he would marry a woman. And this woman, he says, and has been more

00:29:23.340 strongly disapproved of his fetish. Helms claims to have have told her before proposing, but says

00:29:28.280 later in life, Donna would deny that I ever told her about my cross dressing. Throughout their marriage,

00:29:33.420 Helms pursued this fetish against her wishes, spending family finances on clothing and makeup.

00:29:40.400 And then they ended up divorcing. He fully transitioned, you know, transitioned. I use

00:29:47.380 quotes around that. And then he decided that he was going to frequent sex clubs to see if he was

00:29:54.000 gay. It turns out he called himself a lesbian. So he is still attracted to women. Yes, he has had some

00:29:58.980 kind of sexual fetish towards women since he was young. And then he wrote another book. And this is

00:30:06.360 where it gets disturbing and more disturbing and pertinent to what we're talking about. Tales from

00:30:11.080 a two-gendered mind. He would write short stories with sexual themes, including forced feminization

00:30:18.400 and age regression. So this is going to be super, super disturbing. And I will probably do a full episode

00:30:24.920 on this at some point because there's so much research out there that actually this organization

00:30:31.700 has uncovered that within pornography, there is something called age play and forced feminization.

00:30:40.340 And it is typically referred to this is really disturbing for me to even say. But again, I think

00:30:44.080 it's so important that we understand where all of this is coming from. Something called sissy porn.

00:30:48.920 And it is men that are basically acting as young girls and are, you know, doing whatever happens

00:30:57.480 in pornography. And Monica Helms, the creator of the trans flag talks about this in his short stories,

00:31:05.680 tales from a two-gendered mind. He says, one of the one of the tweets summarizes one story in

00:31:10.680 particular sexualizes a child who is described as a witch who does not age. An adult man marries her

00:31:16.060 and their daughter has a father's features, but her mother's magical powers. Helms's memoir

00:31:20.720 makes references to the desire to have been a little girl. And then there's another short story that

00:31:27.300 he wrote called you wake up as a little girl. He represents an age regression trope. So I guess,

00:31:35.220 you know, where you go back in age that is commonly found in transgender erotica. Such content is

00:31:40.140 currently available on Amazon, but is also widely proliferated on social media in the form of sissy

00:31:46.500 captions or fictional stories. And the introduction to this, I can't even read it. It's it just describes

00:31:55.400 young girls and leotards and his fantasy in the story is that he wakes up to be a six-year-old girl

00:32:02.460 wearing tights and a leotard. Guys, he is not the only one within this ideology and within this group

00:32:09.780 of activists that writes and produces this kind of erotica that sexualizes young children. We've

00:32:17.640 already gone all the way back to John Money. I just mentioned sissy porn like this. This is darker

00:32:24.940 than I think that we could even realize. And then the thread goes on to say Helms designed the

00:32:31.940 transgender pride flag in 1999, claimed that the baby blue, pink and white colors were divine

00:32:37.100 intervention. But the color scheme is seen in symbols found on pro pedophile sites. The code

00:32:43.580 predates the flag. The pedophile code predates the flag and has been used in areas of child sex

00:32:51.240 trafficking. And then we don't have time to go into all of it. But this thread does talk about how

00:33:00.600 the lead psychologist at the Tavistock Gender Identity Clinic advocates for normalizing the age play

00:33:08.520 that we were just talking about. Furrydom, which I don't even really know what that is, but that's a

00:33:13.860 whole other realm of pornography and sexualization that involves adults acting like children. And also

00:33:23.000 he advocates for normalizing sadomasochistic practices as further sexuality, further sexualities

00:33:30.520 this person also identifies as trans. And there is a video that this particular thread plays in which

00:33:39.140 this transgender man who I or he's a man who identifies as a woman that he actually says age

00:33:46.320 play is not pedophilia, but that it's something that could be good for, I don't know, transgender

00:33:54.180 people and non transgender people to play into. And then the thread talks about what we've already

00:33:59.120 talked about with John Money. But look, guys, it's not a coincidence that we see these correlations.

00:34:07.980 Unfortunately, there is something far more perverted and nefarious within the motivations of trying to

00:34:17.060 push children to change their gender. It's really, really disturbing stuff. And again, that's not

00:34:24.900 painting everyone in the movement or everyone who questions their identity with the same brush. I

00:34:30.540 think we just need to understand what is underneath all of this. This is demonic. Okay? Like, I don't

00:34:37.460 think that the right thing to do when we are facing this kind of demonic activity, this kind of darkness

00:34:44.120 and perversion is to play games with the pronoun police and use pronoun politeness. You are acquiescing to

00:34:50.900 and in one sense affirming some of the darkest stuff that we have ever uncovered or can even be

00:35:02.380 comprehended by the same mind. Like, we want nothing to do with this. We take every bit of action to push

00:35:10.780 back against this. This is the predatory. This is a predatory ideology. It's not one of inclusion and

00:35:16.440 empathy and understanding. It is one that is damaging, that has really evil and wicked roots.

00:35:23.280 So, knowing what we know, talking about what we just talked about, keep that in mind as you think

00:35:33.720 about the fact that Disney is so apparently passionately and adamantly for teachers talking

00:35:42.240 to young children about gender switching. I mean, that's troubling. That's troubling. And look,

00:35:49.120 I would say that most people at Disney don't have any predatory inclinations or predatory motivations.

00:35:55.140 But I do think it's pertinent to talk about the tweets that were put out by Christopher Rufo

00:36:00.400 that outline some of the things that Disney employees have said about the content that they

00:36:11.200 want to distribute to children. So, let me read you some of these quotes and you can go to Chris's

00:36:19.360 timeline and you can actually watch the videos. This was an internal meeting, all hands on deck,

00:36:25.380 that was leaked to Chris. Executive producer LaToya Raveneau says that she loves Disney's content and

00:36:33.520 she really wanted to work for Disney, but people told her she wasn't going to be able to, you know,

00:36:39.480 insert her agenda or insert any kind of queer content. But she says, Meredith Roberts and our

00:36:45.940 leadership over there has been so welcome to my not at all secret gay agenda. I was just wherever I

00:36:52.700 could adding queerness. If you see anything queer in the show, no one would stop me and no one was

00:36:58.100 trying to stop me. So, that's happening. Corporate President Carrie Burke says, I'm here as a mother of

00:37:03.820 two queer children, actually. One transgender child and one pansexual child. And also as a leader,

00:37:10.660 we have many, many LGBTQIA characters in our stories. And yet, we don't have enough leads and

00:37:16.760 narratives in which gay characters just get to be characters and not have to be about gay stories.

00:37:22.220 A pansexual child, transgender child, and pansexual child. What are the odds there? What are the odds

00:37:29.460 there, Carrie? Production coordinator Alan March says, they've been really open to exploring queer

00:37:35.720 stories. So, it's not just a numbers game of how many LGBTQ plus characters you have. The more

00:37:40.740 centered the story is on a character, the more nuanced you get into their story, especially with

00:37:44.860 trans characters. The only way to have these kind of trans characters, canonical asexual trans characters,

00:37:50.660 canonical bisexual characters, is to give them stories where they can be their whole selves.

00:37:56.200 That's amazing. I mean, it's one thing to talk about what you might think as a child's, like,

00:38:02.880 sexual orientation, which I think is really disturbing. But when you're talking about

00:38:08.340 transgenderism and the gender transition of a young person and just the damage that you're doing to

00:38:13.520 their minds and bodies, it's amazing that this has become mainstream at all. Chris Rufo also quoted

00:38:19.980 the diversity and inclusion manager, Vivian Ware, who said,

00:38:23.980 last summer, we removed all of the gendered greetings and relationship to our live spiels

00:38:29.560 at the parks. So, we no longer say ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, which is just really

00:38:36.060 sad. It's just really sad. Boys and girls exist. Everyone who is alive is a boy or a girl, a man or

00:38:42.780 a woman. And to try to erase this is really sad. What I also think is pertinent to the conversation,

00:38:47.260 which I don't think characterizes probably Disney as a whole, but I do think shows just how hypocritical

00:38:55.400 they really are. Chris Rufo also tweeted out several employees of Disney who have been charged with or

00:39:04.500 convicted of child sex abuse. There have been employees every year for at least the past decade

00:39:11.200 who have met these charges. And he links all of these accusations to the journalism that came out

00:39:18.680 at the time that they were accused and they were charged and convicted. He says Disney cruise ship

00:39:23.340 employee Milton Braganza was caught on camera molesting an 11-year-old girl, but Disney authorities

00:39:28.860 allegedly told security to keep your mouth shut, allowing the man to evade arrest. Ex-Disney cruise

00:39:35.300 officer said that she was ordered not to report the molestation. Disney employees Savannah Lawrence

00:39:43.440 and Jonathan McGrew were arrested for soliciting a threesome with undercover agents posing as a 13-year-old

00:39:48.780 girl. Our fantasy is to play stepdad, stepdaughter, stepmother, they said in an online chat. Disney

00:39:54.840 employees. He says, Chris Rufo says, Disney employee Robert Kingsolver was arrested for soliciting sex

00:40:01.720 from undercover agents posing as a 14-year-old girl. I work for Disney, so I love to see dads

00:40:06.260 having fun with their daughters, he said in the chat. Oh my gosh. Okay, I can't read the last line.

00:40:11.080 Really awful, terrible things. Another tweet, Disney concierge Alan Treister was arrested for

00:40:16.900 soliciting sex from undercover agents posing as a 14-year-old boy. Disney employee Paul Fazio was

00:40:23.600 arrested for 50 counts of possession of child pornography, including multiple scenes of nude

00:40:27.080 prepubescent children engaging in sexual activity with adults. Disney character actor Patrick Holgerson

00:40:34.080 was arrested for soliciting sex from undercover agents posing as a 13-year-old boy. He said,

00:40:38.780 I work with kids. I love kids, but not in a bad way, he told the police officer. Sicko. Chris Rufo,

00:40:44.380 Disney World employees Justin Hazen and Arlandra Sims were arrested and charged with a total of 40

00:40:50.480 counts of child pornography depicting victims as young as four and five years old. And that's not all.

00:40:56.520 He names other people who were involved, who were Disney employees, who were involved in this kind

00:41:03.180 of awful, demonic, satanic behavior. And again, I'm not saying that characterizes everyone at Disney or

00:41:11.540 hopefully the core motivations of Disney, but is it a little hypocritical? Is it a little suspect? A

00:41:17.760 little sus? Yeah, I think so. And also while they are saying, oh, we might, you know, we might move our

00:41:24.000 business from Florida because we don't believe that we don't believe that there should be any

00:41:29.600 prohibition against talking to kids about sex switching when they're five years old. They are

00:41:34.200 also spreading their business, particularly Disney Plus, to places like Saudi Arabia, where it's

00:41:42.540 literally illegal to be a homosexual. But this is, you know, this is what they do. This is the same

00:41:46.780 thing that Disney did. I think it was back in 2018. After the heartbeat bill passed in Georgia,

00:41:51.720 they said, oh, I don't think that we're going to be producing any movies in Georgia. Let us

00:41:55.260 let us no longer let us no longer do business with Georgia because this is so egregious that anyone

00:42:00.540 could possibly want to stop the murder of babies inside the womb. That was Baba Iger, who was the

00:42:06.260 CEO at the time. Meanwhile, one of their biggest markets is is China. And not only that, but they were

00:42:13.800 also producing Mulan right outside of Xinjiang, which is where the concentration camp of Uyghur

00:42:20.340 Muslims is in China. So this is what corporations do. This is who they are. I do think that unfortunately,

00:42:28.340 there is a lot of predatory behavior towards children, even if it's not sexually predatory.

00:42:33.860 It is ideologically predatory towards children in these large corporations, especially corporations

00:42:40.460 that produce content for children. So we have to be so careful. And before I get into kind of

00:42:45.820 what I think, how I think we should approach this as Christian parents, I do just kind of want to

00:42:50.620 explore this question of why, like why would a company like Disney or any other big company

00:42:57.580 take this kind of stand that is so unpopular among most Americans? Don't companies just care about

00:43:04.180 profit? Don't they just want to make money? Don't they want good approval ratings among their

00:43:09.680 customer base? Well, it's complicated. In a sense, yes, they care about their public image and maybe

00:43:17.280 they care a little bit if Christians or conservatives boycott no longer use their product. But the fact of

00:43:23.560 the matter is, is that Disney and a lot of companies in the United States don't really have an interest

00:43:30.120 in serving our interests. They don't really care and they don't have to care about us taking our money

00:43:36.120 away. And that is because they are primarily owned by major investment firms, major corporations like

00:43:42.180 Vanguard and BlackRock. That's the truth. I mean, we've talked about this before in regards to the

00:43:47.580 Great Reset. BlackRock is an investment management firm and it manages trillions and trillions of dollars,

00:43:55.900 more dollars than the combined spending of every single American. So they have a ton of power.

00:44:03.800 They have majority stakes in some of the largest and the most influential companies or at least a lot

00:44:11.140 of stakes or a lot of shares in a lot of our biggest companies like Pfizer, like Facebook,

00:44:19.180 like the New York Times. I mean, Vanguard and BlackRock, they are very similar companies in that

00:44:25.680 regard. They own, they have the majority of influence in most of our major corporations in

00:44:31.920 America today. That's the truth. And it's a woke corporation. It says that one of its highest and

00:44:38.800 greatest values and goals is diversity, is representation. So we're not just talking about

00:44:44.580 the critical race theory, anti-whiteness kind of stuff. We are also talking about pro-transgender

00:44:51.600 representation. And one of their biggest goals is also green energy. And so some of the crisis that we

00:45:00.340 are seeing today with oil companies, because actually Vanguard and BlackRock also own the majority of

00:45:07.600 shares in a lot of oil companies, a lot of it can be blamed on these corporations that have green goals.

00:45:13.120 And all of this does play into the World Economic Forum in Davos. And yes, as conspiratorial as it sounds,

00:45:19.720 the Great Reset, it does all play together. And this environmental, social, and governance credit

00:45:25.640 scores that these companies are more interested in having than your approval as a Christian

00:45:33.800 conservative. And BlackRock pressures the companies that they invest in to agree with them socially.

00:45:39.520 Or what they would say is that they set expectations for the social behavior and the social stances

00:45:46.900 of the companies that they are investing in. And that includes Disney. If you look at

00:45:54.440 the charitable giving and the annual report that BlackRock puts out, you can see where they invest their

00:46:01.520 money. They are a very woke company in a lot of ways. Now, probably not personally, probably not the

00:46:06.520 people who are at the top. They just care about making money. There's a lot of money to be made, as we've

00:46:11.920 talked about, in green energy and in equity and diversity policies and training and all of this.

00:46:18.420 And plus, I think they ideologically, I mean, they might align with it or say that they align with

00:46:24.340 it. But really, it's just a way to kind of crush the people who are below them and to crush the

00:46:28.800 working class and to take more power and money themselves. And so if you want to know the why,

00:46:34.980 behind why Disney would make the decisions that they do when it seems like they would be so unpopular,

00:46:41.080 yeah, it's because BlackRock owns 7.7% of their shares and Vanguard owns 9.1% of their shares.

00:46:51.260 So, I mean, that's the truth of it. And we could talk a lot more about all that. I mean,

00:46:55.500 we could talk all about where BlackRock has its tentacles. It's really overwhelming. We've talked

00:47:01.200 about it before. We talked about it with Justin Haskins, and we'll link that past episode. That might

00:47:05.220 be my most popular, my most listened to episode ever, actually, because it really is so fascinating.

00:47:09.820 But the question is, okay, what should we do, though? Because even if our boycotts,

00:47:16.560 even if us voting with our dollar doesn't make a difference, even if they are just going to push

00:47:20.820 forward with the agenda that they have, if it's really just BlackRock that controls the world,

00:47:25.100 that controls a lot of our governments, that controls these corporations, what should we do?

00:47:31.020 What should we do as conservatives, primarily as Christians? What should we do as parents? And so

00:47:34.980 I'll get into that in just one second. All right. So what should we Christian moms do in the face

00:47:41.960 of all of this? In the face of this evil that we know that seems to be defended by what used to be

00:47:48.280 the greatest hub and distributor of family-friendly content, Disney. I know a lot of you have very fond

00:47:56.440 memories of Disney growing up, and it's near and dear to your heart. Now, I think that that is

00:48:02.480 completely understandable to feel some nostalgia. And there are a lot of adults who love Disney.

00:48:07.180 I think sometimes it can cross into kind of weird territory, to be perfectly honest, when adults

00:48:11.380 like kids' stuff too much. I also think that that is one reason why Disney has become more

00:48:17.840 progressive because probably more than ever, they have a lot of adults without children

00:48:22.700 who come to their parks and now are a big portion of their customer base who really don't care

00:48:32.800 what their child or what children are learning because they don't have children. So I think

00:48:36.620 that's an interesting aspect to all of this. I don't think it's weird to like Disney. I think it'd be

00:48:40.420 fun to go to Disney World, you know, one day with just my husband or go to Universal Studios. I know

00:48:46.100 that's separate. So I'm not knocking if you like it. But I do think the obsession with it

00:48:52.420 does get a little weird. And I think that we should question that if we are adults who are

00:48:56.320 obsessed with Disney or anything that is actually intended for children. And also, I think that we

00:49:03.860 need to realize that Disney actually has been a little sketchy for a while. This is not a brand new

00:49:10.480 thing. Now, I didn't really know that. I did watch Disney when I was growing up in the

00:49:16.060 90s and probably early 2000s. We went to Disney World a few times. We weren't like Disney obsessed,

00:49:21.340 but I remember it being really fun when I went there. And so but a lot of a lot of parents didn't

00:49:29.300 allow their kids to watch Disney because they actually thought that Disney was too liberal

00:49:33.260 then. So this is not new. This is not out of nowhere. Disney has been going in this direction

00:49:39.220 for a long time. And a lot of you have been boycotting Disney for a long time. A lot of you have

00:49:44.060 been have realized the kind of muck that Disney has promoted for a while. And so good for you.

00:49:53.340 But for those of us who are just kind of thinking about this and just kind of making this decision,

00:49:58.340 maybe I'm too late to even have any credibility and talking about this. But that's because our

00:50:03.560 kids are just kind of getting to the age where it would even be interesting to watch Disney.

00:50:07.580 Personally, for me, I don't think that we can support Disney. I don't think that I don't see us

00:50:14.220 going to Disney parks. I don't see us watching Disney Plus or watching Disney movies, maybe the

00:50:20.660 old Disney movies. If I can get like a DVD player or a VHS player, I don't even know how I would make

00:50:26.400 that work and watch, you know, Cinderella and Sleeping Beauty and Pocahontas and things like that.

00:50:31.260 Maybe. But I don't see us engaging with Disney in a way that would give them any money. I just don't.

00:50:40.260 This is too far. This is too much. I mean, when you're talking about being for the kind of ideology

00:50:48.220 and the kind of practices and behavior that is that is enabling and celebrating the genital mutilation

00:50:58.180 of minors, I just I don't think that I can be a part of that. And knowing that they are trying

00:51:06.300 to disciple my children in an anti-God, anti-biblical, anti-good-for-them way at their parks and through

00:51:16.380 their content, why would I pay them money to do that? I cannot give over my child's mind to these people

00:51:23.420 in good conscience, knowing what they are trying to do. Listen, the world is trying to disciple your

00:51:28.980 children. The world will indoctrinate your children. It's not neutral. They want your children to become

00:51:35.480 activists, to agree with them, and to align with their worldview. And it is our responsibility to

00:51:41.980 steward our children's hearts and minds as well as we can, as responsibly as we can, to disciple

00:51:49.400 them in a biblical worldview as much as we possibly can, to teach them what is good and right and true

00:51:55.160 because the world is going to teach them what is bad and wrong and false. And so we have to do the

00:52:02.620 best job that we can to protect their hearts and minds. That doesn't mean that we are going to be

00:52:06.500 able to shield them from everything, nor do we want to. I mean, that's not how we build their immunity

00:52:11.380 to evil and to deceit. Of course, we want them to understand some of the things that go on in the world,

00:52:18.020 but we want to have control over that. Yes, we want to ensure that they are learning about the things

00:52:24.600 that they have to learn about in a way that is age-appropriate, in a way that is good for their

00:52:29.720 development, that meets them where they are. And really, only parents who love and know their children

00:52:35.500 the best can do that. I'm not going to leave that up to teachers. I'm not going to leave that up to Disney.

00:52:41.620 It's our responsibility to primarily teach and to disciple our children. I think we just have to be

00:52:46.640 really careful about the content that our kids consume, even if we think, oh, they can't understand

00:52:51.380 that. Yeah, sure, they saw a trans character. They didn't really get it. I think that our kids,

00:52:57.380 even our young kids, understand and see and take in more than we think. And that, again,

00:53:01.960 the power of suggestion is so strong. We have to make the first suggestions that, hey, your body

00:53:07.400 is good. Hey, this is what God calls the family. This is who you are. It's great to be a girl. It's great

00:53:13.480 to be a boy. All of these things we have to start at a really young age because, like I said, the world

00:53:18.380 is going to tell them the opposite. So I personally can't support Disney. Now, I know that I can probably

00:53:26.480 not feasibly boycott every single entity that has ever said something that I disagree with.

00:53:33.100 And it's not really about that. I mean, I think that we can do the most that we can to try to live

00:53:37.460 lives of integrity and support businesses that support our values and aren't supporting things

00:53:42.840 that we don't agree with. That's true. I mean, but I do. I'm sure there are companies, yes, that I give

00:53:48.820 money to that I don't agree with. But when it comes to my child consuming content and being influenced by

00:53:55.520 people who I know we're trying to indoctrinate them in an anti-God worldview, like that is just a line

00:54:01.300 that I'm going to draw. That's a hill that I'm going to die on. And we all have to use discernment and

00:54:05.240 prayer and wisdom and the counseling of godly friends and pastors or church to try to decide,

00:54:10.560 you know, which businesses companies we're going to support and which ones we're not. I think we

00:54:14.840 just have to be really, really careful about companies that are producing content that are

00:54:20.820 trying to introduce our children to a destructive worldview. So for us, we can't support Disney.

00:54:27.660 We just can't. And there are other fun things to do in the world. There are other great producers

00:54:31.880 of awesome family-friendly content. There are fun places to go. And so, yeah, it's sad, but it's not

00:54:39.840 a tragedy. And guess what? Let's remember this also, is that Christians have gone through far worse

00:54:47.260 and are going through far worse than this right now. They've had to give up a lot more than their

00:54:52.040 Disney trip. They have had to make much bigger sacrifices. And so this is a small one that we can

00:54:58.700 make, I think, to the glory of God and to the benefit of our children. This is not the worst

00:55:04.000 trial that we are going to go through as children. It's not the hardest, or as Christians, it's not

00:55:09.000 the hardest decision that we're going to make. And look, I'm going to do a whole episode on this too,

00:55:14.580 and I can't get into all of it right now, but the church has been countercultural from our beginning

00:55:20.100 when it comes to how people approach children, how we value children, how we see them as worthy.

00:55:26.120 When the church started, pagan, ancient Rome and Greece really saw children as just burdens,

00:55:34.580 as objects that are available, that are accessible for exploitation and abuse and neglect. That is how

00:55:43.540 the ancient world saw children. It wasn't until Christianity then internationalized the originally

00:55:51.180 Jewish idea of people being made in the image of God and God knitting us together in our mother's womb

00:55:55.860 but also introduced this Jesus who clearly cared about children, who welcomed the children

00:56:02.260 unto him, who introduced this concept of radical equality that men, women, children, slaves, free

00:56:10.560 people, that we are all equally dead apart from Christ, and in him we are equally saved. That was a radical

00:56:19.620 concept of equality that we see throughout the New Testament, including in Ephesians 4 and 5,

00:56:25.140 when we see that the husband is called to love and care for his wife, that a father is not

00:56:29.280 supposed to provoke their child to anger, that masters are supposed to treat their slaves well.

00:56:35.400 That was unheard of in the time that Ephesians was written. And yet that's what Christianity has

00:56:42.480 always done. It's radically fought for the most vulnerable. Child exploitation and abuse and child

00:56:48.200 sacrifice, unfortunately, is as old as time, just about. And the church for our 2,000 years have been

00:56:56.420 at our best defenders of these children, defenders of the most vulnerable, and we are still called to

00:57:02.100 that today. We are still called to be a countercultural force for the sake of children and the most vulnerable.

00:57:07.480 So let's continue to be that.

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00:57:31.480 family. And guess what? We have a really exciting announcement. I almost forgot about this. We have

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00:57:52.160 of your day. We will be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 06, 2022

Ep 595 ｜ Disney & the Dark History of Gender Grooming

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