Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 07, 2022


Ep 596 ｜ Hunter Biden’s Connections to Ukrainian Bio Labs & Chinese Communists


Episode Stats

Length

44 minutes

Words per Minute

183.81714

Word Count

8,173

Sentence Count

345

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

8


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. This episode is brought to you by our friends
00:00:05.100 at Good Ranchers. American meat delivered right to your front door. Go to GoodRanchers.com
00:00:09.480 slash Allie. That's GoodRanchers.com slash Allie.
00:00:12.660 Okay, we've got a very fascinating episode interview for you today with reporter Natalie
00:00:31.180 Winters. She is from the National Pulse, and we are going to talk about this crazy Hunter Biden
00:00:39.100 laptop story and the recent revelations that have come out, what it has to do with the Chinese
00:00:45.080 Communist Party and its tentacles here in the United States, in the upper rungs of governmental
00:00:53.760 power here. Also, his connection with Ukraine in biolabs in Ukraine and Barack Obama in the early
00:01:01.820 2000s. And what in the world? Like, my mind was blown during this interview. All of the
00:01:09.040 levels of corruption is just crazy. But it's not going to end with you feeling entirely overwhelmed
00:01:15.240 and disheartened by the corruption in our government. I think it's really important that we know what's
00:01:20.720 going on and that we talk about the corruption that's going on. That is exactly what the powers
00:01:24.140 that we don't want us to do. But it's also just going to remind us why transparency and asking
00:01:29.120 questions and critical thinking and unbiased journalism is so important and why it's so important
00:01:35.140 to support reporters that are trying to ask hard questions that aren't just, you know, cozying up
00:01:41.720 with the people in power. And so that's why I'm talking to this journalist. That's why we're talking
00:01:45.620 about this story. This is not something that we typically talk about, because you guys know we
00:01:50.080 typically focus on the culture war type stuff. But man, this really matters. These are the people
00:01:54.480 that are supposed to be leading us. And if they are in bed with the Chinese Communist Party and corrupt
00:01:59.060 billionaires from around the world, then I think that we need to know about it. And we need to be
00:02:03.980 talking about it. Before we get into this conversation, I also just want to give an update
00:02:09.560 on what's happening in Ukraine. That's something that we haven't talked about in a couple weeks.
00:02:14.620 Now, it really doesn't matter what we think about the foreign policy decisions by President Biden or the
00:02:21.960 suggestions for what our foreign policy positions should be among Democrats and Republicans in
00:02:27.700 Washington. There are a lot of different opinions on that. There are a lot of different takes. We have
00:02:32.120 analyzed those different perspectives. And we have looked at what I think is a suspect narrative
00:02:39.040 and a suspect transition pushed by the mainstream media from obsessing over COVID and vaccine mandates
00:02:46.580 forcing people to get vaccinated who don't want to get vaccinated to Ukraine. But all of that said,
00:02:53.980 that doesn't mean that we don't really, really care about the humanitarian crisis that is there.
00:02:59.340 That doesn't mean that we don't care about what is objectively evil that is being perpetrated right
00:03:05.880 now by Vladimir Putin towards civilians. There have been, as of now, according to the UN,
00:03:11.980 1,563 civilians that have been killed since Russia's invasion. And so there are a lot of questions
00:03:19.400 about what started this, the United States' involvement in the destabilization of this
00:03:25.220 relationship between Ukraine and Russia. And I think that we should ask all of those questions
00:03:31.020 while still making sure that we have a compassionate and soft heart towards the people that are suffering,
00:03:36.760 while also realizing that, yes, our media focuses on this particular suffering because it might help
00:03:43.680 them in some kind of politically expedient way, you know, gin up support for Joe Biden here in the
00:03:50.100 United States. But this is not the only suffering that's happening in the world. There is a lot of
00:03:55.080 suffering that is happening in various parts of the world that our hearts should remain soft for these
00:04:00.580 people, no matter what our political opinions are. There are, according to CNN, alleged Russian war crimes
00:04:08.860 in the villages of Bukha, Erpen, and Hostumel after Russian forces pulled out of Kiev. And so this is
00:04:17.240 something that is ongoing. There is almost now a global response to what's happening between these two
00:04:23.260 countries. And I am hoping, yes, I'm hoping for the well-being and the safety and the protection
00:04:30.120 of the people in Ukraine and also Russian civilians, any of these people who are negatively affected by this.
00:04:37.420 But I can also hope at the same time that America is not pulled into a hot war here. I can also hope
00:04:43.640 that we don't have World War III, that we don't have a nuclear war, because if we don't like civilian
00:04:48.260 casualties in Ukraine, which we shouldn't, we also shouldn't like civilian casualties elsewhere. And that
00:04:54.140 is what would happen if we established a no-fly zone or if America gets involved more heavily with
00:05:00.800 armed troops actually being on the ground. So we need to have a balanced perspective on all of this
00:05:05.500 critical thinking and compassion shouldn't be mutually exclusive. That's something that I like
00:05:10.520 to remind us often. And so let us pray for the people in Ukraine. Let us pray for everyone who
00:05:16.580 is being negatively affected, especially the babies. Ukraine is a big hotbed of surrogacy. It's a big
00:05:22.520 hotbed of corruption in general and a lot of corrupt industries, all forms of human trafficking,
00:05:27.520 surrogacy being one of them, where poor women are kind of coerced and manipulated into getting paid to
00:05:33.260 rent out their wombs for rich strangers abroad. And so there are a lot of babies and a lot of moms
00:05:38.500 who just gave birth to these babies, these surrogate babies who are abandoned there. Let us especially
00:05:42.680 pray for them. Let's do what we can to support and to think of them as this is ongoing. Now, in today's
00:05:50.440 conversation, we're not going to talk about the humanitarian crisis. We're going to talk about
00:05:54.080 the corruption in the United States and specifically the Biden family and how that is tied into Ukraine and
00:06:00.020 even what is going on in Ukraine. But I don't want us to forget that there are real people who
00:06:05.720 are being affected by what's going on there and just remind ourselves that even as we're talking
00:06:13.040 about the corruption and asking hard questions, that we feel a lot of sympathy for them.
00:06:20.020 Natalie, thank you so much for joining us. For those who may not know, can you tell us who you are and
00:06:24.420 what you do? Sure. I am an investigative reporter for the National Pulse. I focus primarily on how
00:06:31.060 the Chinese Communist Party infiltrates really all of America, whether that's academia, the mainstream
00:06:36.480 media, the White House, as we're currently seeing right now. But covering that beat kind of allows
00:06:42.360 me, I would say, the privilege to cover a lot of very relevant areas that have to do with foreign
00:06:48.540 governments trying to compromise American leaders, American thought leaders, which, as I said,
00:06:53.500 we're seeing on full display right now. Yes. And it allows you to cover a lot of different things
00:06:59.480 also because the CCP has their tentacles in so many areas of our culture and so many areas of the
00:07:06.580 government, as you mentioned. So speaking of the CCP, I want to talk about this Hunter Biden story,
00:07:11.600 the Hunter Biden laptop. Now, we really haven't talked about it in depth on this show. People might
00:07:18.220 remember the New York Post reported on Hunter Biden's laptop and some compromising information
00:07:24.060 and things that were found on there right before the election in 2020. The New York Post account got
00:07:30.660 suspended. We were told over and over again, this story is just Russian disinformation. It's not
00:07:35.960 something we should worry about. Why is Hunter Biden's laptop, though, in the story again? And why does
00:07:42.020 it seem like the same people who said that was a stupid, irrelevant story back in 2020? Why are they saying
00:07:47.700 that it might actually matter now? Sure. Well, the whole Hunter Biden hard drive story is not only a
00:07:54.020 perfect example of really big tech collusion on behalf of Democrats and also mainstream media cover
00:07:59.900 ups on behalf of, frankly, the Biden family, but it's also, I think, a perfect example of the kind of
00:08:05.400 corruption that we see or sometimes we don't see going on every single day in America at the hands of
00:08:11.380 our ruling elites, epitomized by the likes of Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton. And it goes to the other
00:08:16.540 side of the aisle to more of these establishment Republicans. But to kind of go back to square one
00:08:21.440 on this story, because I think that framing is really important to understand why this news story
00:08:27.620 has reemerged in the current cycle and why mainstream media outlets are sort of paying attention to it,
00:08:33.900 though I would argue that the way that they're framing the story has less to do with Joe Biden,
00:08:39.360 who is, of course, a key player in this whole scandal, and more to do with putting all of the blame
00:08:44.080 on Hunter. So all the way back in 2011, there's an op ed that I always love to bring up when I'm
00:08:49.500 talking about the Hunter Biden hard drive that Joe Biden wrote, and it was titled China's rise is an
00:08:55.060 hour demise. And I know that this op ed made headlines again during the 2020 campaign, because
00:09:00.800 it was a perfect example of how Joe Biden, as he'd made a lot of incorrect calls on foreign policy,
00:09:05.760 but particularly in the realm of China. But my take on that op ed wasn't that he was necessarily wrong.
00:09:12.420 It was just that the hour that he was referring to, oh, you are, wasn't the average everyday
00:09:17.700 American. It was American elites like Joe Biden, like Hunter Biden, like his family. I think that's
00:09:23.640 probably a story that your viewers know all too well that there's this, you know, certain segment
00:09:27.560 of the American population, they tend to be Democrats, of course, some establishment Republicans
00:09:31.840 too, but who always seem to get lucrative, you know, contracts and nice business deals with it
00:09:37.540 always seems to be the Chinese Communist Party. So when this hard drive got leaked, it was actually
00:09:43.880 originally given to the FBI from a laptop repair shop owner. But it made its way into the hands of
00:09:49.340 Rudy Giuliani, who then proceeded to disseminate it to certain people who were going through the hard
00:09:54.920 drive, people who had knowledge and expertise of Chinese Communist Party infiltration, the way it
00:09:59.880 works. So the National Pulse, which is the outlet that I work at, we were lucky enough to get our
00:10:03.780 hands on a copy of it. So from there, we started digging in, really, to emails, text messages,
00:10:10.260 pictures, videos, and I'm sure a lot of the headlines that people have seen have to do with
00:10:15.420 some of the, for lack of a better word, you know, degenerate activities going on, you've seen the
00:10:20.200 pictures and videos. But as someone who covers, like I said, this foreign collusion, foreign corruption,
00:10:26.320 and not the Russian collusion kind that we like to hear about so much from, from the Democrats,
00:10:31.020 but really Chinese Communist Party collusion, there was just copious amounts of evidence of business
00:10:37.420 deals of wire transactions on there. So what this hard drive, I think corroborates best is that Hunter
00:10:45.060 Biden, while his father was vice president, even before and even after, was really running around
00:10:51.380 the globe to every corner of the earth, inking deals with some of the most corrupt business leaders,
00:10:56.520 corrupt country leaders, really in every sector, all the way from technology and science and
00:11:02.760 pharmaceutical, all the way to energy, power grids, all of these areas he had no expertise in,
00:11:09.520 of course. But I think it's also important to understand that a lot of these business deals
00:11:13.380 that we're talking about now, whether it's, you know, BHR partners, some of these other LLC
00:11:19.180 names that you may have heard of, you know, it's not just the hard drive that brought these shady
00:11:24.320 business dealings to the forefront. A lot of this was publicly available, albeit a lot of these web
00:11:29.540 pages have been deleted. But Hunter Biden's track record for working with the Chinese Communist Party
00:11:35.160 was out in the open, the mainstream media just didn't really bother to cover it. But this hard
00:11:39.940 drive, I think, was was really the smoking gun, because it allowed you to see who his inner circle
00:11:44.620 was. And the fact that these wire transfers, in very, very large sums worth, you know, a heck of a lot
00:11:50.340 more than the average annual salary of an American, were being wired to Hunter Biden's account during
00:11:56.000 the time his father was vice president and other family members, too. So that's kind of the broad
00:12:00.760 overview. But I'd be happy to get into some specifics if you have any questions.
00:12:04.400 That was an amazing broad overview. And so I really appreciate that a lot. I'm thinking back to when this
00:12:10.540 story first came out, and the New York Post was talking about it. And we were constantly told,
00:12:16.320 as I already mentioned, from the mainstream media, from Biden's campaign, of course, that this is
00:12:21.540 simply Russian disinformation, or this is something that we really shouldn't be talking
00:12:26.480 about. It's not relevant. Actually, a writer at The Atlantic, I think her name is Ann Applebaum,
00:12:31.460 she was just asked by a University of Chicago student, a writer there, why she didn't think that story
00:12:39.160 was relevant. Because I think she talked about at the time in 2020, that this wasn't something that
00:12:43.740 she wanted to cover, that it was a form of disinformation. She answered just the other day
00:12:48.380 that the story just isn't interesting to her. It's not interesting to her. Is there, was there,
00:12:54.360 you think, conscious collusion by big tech and by these news outlets that refused to cover it and
00:13:00.920 just kind of silenced and suppressed the story to help Joe Biden to cover out the workings with the CCP?
00:13:07.840 Or do you think it's just your kind of, I don't know, run-of-the-mill sloppy work by these
00:13:14.240 organizations not wanting to cover a story that might paint their candidate in a negative light?
00:13:20.260 Like, how nefarious was the cover-up, do you think?
00:13:23.480 I honestly think that this was so nefarious to levels that I really think would hard to be matched
00:13:30.540 in recent political history. Because I think you really had an axis, not just of big tech,
00:13:36.780 but also their counterparts in various establishment institutions, whether that be
00:13:41.380 elected officials. But also, I think there was a letter from about 50 former intelligence officials
00:13:47.700 declaring and really decrying this Hunter Biden hard drive as, quote, Russian disinformation. These
00:13:53.600 are people who used to run the CIA, used to run all of these, you know, top premier intelligence
00:13:58.940 agencies in the United States. And, you know, I think there's one way to say, oh, maybe they just,
00:14:04.300 you know, were ignorant. They didn't know. Although I will say that people who had copies of the hard
00:14:09.420 drive, my outlet included, there was always an open invitation to anyone from the mainstream media
00:14:14.960 who was saying that the hard drive wasn't real. So unless these people live under a rock, I don't
00:14:19.940 really think that that is a plausible defense. But I think that, you know, to understand why there was
00:14:25.280 such, such a just massive effort on behalf of, you know, the people like Ann Applebaum, people who
00:14:32.500 kind of come from this establishment world. Might I add, it was, it was, I'm a University of Chicago
00:14:37.980 student as well. Oh, you are. Okay. I didn't realize that. Yes. Yes. So I'm very glad to see my,
00:14:44.740 my peers holding Ann Applebaum to account. But that whole event was about disinformation.
00:14:50.320 Their keynote speaker was Barack Obama. So that tells you a little bit about what that whole event
00:14:55.600 was about. But I think, I think the, the kind of bigger story here in this, again, dovetails
00:15:02.080 with what I cover more broadly, but it is how calculated and orchestrated of an effort the
00:15:08.040 Chinese Communist Party really has weaponized at the hands of their regime and even their military,
00:15:13.500 they engage in political warfare to really compromise every aspect of American society.
00:15:19.140 And I think they viewed Hunter Biden as an Achilles heel, right? He was the offspring of
00:15:23.920 a very powerful and prominent elected official who had a lot of vices to say the least. But that whole
00:15:30.480 entire operation, it kind of works in tandem with the Chinese Communist Party, knowing that when push
00:15:36.720 comes to shove, the mainstream media and these big tech companies will ultimately cover for them. And
00:15:41.680 we've done a lot of reporting at the National Pulse about how virtually every single mainstream media
00:15:46.020 outlet all the way from CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, names that I'm sure no one is
00:15:50.380 surprised to hear for decades had actually been taking trips to China, sponsored by a Chinese
00:15:55.920 Communist Party influence group that was also linked to one of these groups that Hunter Biden was working
00:16:00.240 with. And we, so we saw the documents that kind of outlined what exactly they were stipulated to
00:16:05.000 provide in exchange for these trips. And upon returning to the United States, a lot of these journalists
00:16:10.440 had to provide, quote, favorable coverage. These are documents that are housed at the Department
00:16:15.400 of Justice, so not Russian disinformation. So I think that the Hunter Biden hard drive story really
00:16:20.800 is a perfect example of the ecosystem that China has created in the United States and what they're able
00:16:27.300 to get away with as a result of it.
00:16:29.060 So why are they, though, covering this now? Why is The Washington Post and The New York Times and
00:16:35.020 Politico? Now, they might not be fully covering it the way that we would want them to, as thoroughly
00:16:40.400 and as honestly as we would want them to, but they are covering it. They are kind of admitting,
00:16:45.020 oh, this is a little problematic. Why not just brush this under the rug if they are concerned about
00:16:51.780 painting Joe Biden and his son in a bad light?
00:16:54.160 Well, I think that anybody who's been watching the White House closely, even though it may be very
00:17:00.360 painful to do that, knows that there's a bit of a shade war, I would call it going on, between Kamala
00:17:06.200 and Joe Biden. And we had called this back, I think, even before the 2020 election, right when the hard
00:17:14.440 drive stories were really hitting their peak in terms of, I would say, kind of the right wing echo
00:17:19.140 chamber as much as these stories could break through despite the bans and censorship and shadow banning.
00:17:24.160 But that the contents of these hard drive, of the hard drive would ultimately be used to either
00:17:30.180 impeach Joe Biden or to bring about the invoking of the 25th Amendment. So in my opinion, I think that
00:17:37.460 the mainstream media, along with their kind of, you know, think tank DC arm, the people who create
00:17:44.720 their talking points, have decided that it's time for Joe Biden to go. And I think that they know the
00:17:51.520 most politically expedient way. And frankly, you don't really even have to fabricate that much
00:17:56.500 evidence, right? The dealings on the hard drive are pretty damning to Joe Biden's political credibility,
00:18:03.040 legitimacy, and authority. So I think that they are using this hard drive now kind of as a leverage
00:18:10.080 point, really as a cudgel against Joe Biden to bring about, as scary as it sounds, a President Kamala
00:18:17.420 Harris, because nothing, you know, at least domestically, obviously, Ukraine has happened,
00:18:22.520 the failure that is Afghanistan happened. But there's no real, I would say, change domestically
00:18:28.540 that has precipitated such such a massive shift for the mainstream media to now be covering Hunter
00:18:34.660 Biden, right? It's not like Hunter Biden did anything else that really put himself in the
00:18:39.100 news cycle, it sort of seemed to be like an organic development. And then suddenly, all these,
00:18:45.020 you know, three letter networks were covering the story in lockstep. So whenever you see the
00:18:49.880 mainstream media, and likely their fact checkers working in concert, to me, that's always a red
00:18:55.900 flag, that there's some, you know, either major narrative shift happening or potential political
00:19:01.200 tide turn, that they're waiting to bring about, but they just have to kind of lay the groundwork.
00:19:06.600 Right, because if it were just completely innocuous motivations, if it was just because they wanted to
00:19:12.520 be honest, they would have reported on this a long time ago. So I think you're right, there's always
00:19:17.400 a reason to question the timing of this kind of thing. Now, they're not reporting on it close enough
00:19:22.900 to the midterms to where it would make a difference in that way. And I think that's probably also
00:19:27.220 strategic. I don't know if this is a CYA move, or I'm sure it does have a lot to do with exactly
00:19:33.340 what you're what you're talking about. But I do think people should be thinking critically
00:19:37.680 about that sort of thing. And also, it makes me look at the election. I mean, there's been a lot
00:19:45.000 of questions surrounding the media and big tech's role in the results of the election. But there's
00:19:51.620 been a lot that's happened over the past year that has made me question once again, just how
00:19:56.880 much integrity the election process had. We're not even talking about not even talking about fraud and
00:20:03.960 things like that. Just talking about the collusion between the Chinese Communist Party, between
00:20:08.460 the people in the highest rungs of power in the United States and the mainstream media and major
00:20:17.600 corporations, big tech, all working together to prevent, it seems like, and Time Magazine actually
00:20:24.100 wrote about this at the time to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president. For people who are
00:20:31.200 looking at this, they're listening to this story, and they're like, wow, I cannot believe that the
00:20:35.720 media stopped this, that social media stopped this from coming out right before the election, because
00:20:40.380 they were afraid it was going to change the course of the election. People who are worried that that
00:20:46.140 is just going to happen again. That's what that's going to keep happening. We can't trust the integrity
00:20:50.580 of our elections just for that reason. I mean, what's your what's your message? What's your
00:20:55.340 thought behind that? Do you share that concern? Do you have any optimism that now the media is
00:21:00.000 reporting, honestly, that we can have reason to believe they'll operate with more integrity in
00:21:04.640 the future? What are your thoughts? Well, I think it's really interesting as someone who followed
00:21:09.560 the 2016 election and the fallout very closely in terms of how various media outlets really
00:21:15.580 spearheaded the, you know, Russia collusion narrative, which, of course, the kind of key
00:21:20.180 players in that were, of course, media outlets. And then you also had big tech, right? This story
00:21:25.280 that a bunch of Russian bots got a bunch of Americans to vote for Donald Trump. Right. And of
00:21:29.600 course, there was also a lot of reporting, even congressional reports, all the way up to Nancy
00:21:34.360 Pelosi being the lead author on some of these talking about the vulnerabilities that Americans
00:21:39.420 election systems had, specifically voting machines, and even kind of the loopholes and just ability for
00:21:47.300 fraud to occur when it came to mail and voting. And I think one way to look at all of that reporting
00:21:52.320 was, you know, wow, these crazy Democrats, they're just creating all these conspiracy theories. They're
00:21:57.120 not real. But I think, frankly, that they sort of used all of these accusations as a playbook for what
00:22:04.300 they were going to do in the 2020 election. I think you see that with the way that big tech colluded on
00:22:10.660 behalf of this Hunter Biden story. I think you see it even more broadly, right, with banning Trump,
00:22:16.960 banning, you know, people who support Trump for basically no reason at all. So I think it's really
00:22:22.100 interesting that, you know, they kind of adopted this playbook that they accused Republicans of,
00:22:26.500 it seems 24 seven, 365 days a year. But of course, I think that's the best strategy, right? Accus
00:22:32.240 your enemies of what you're guilty of. So then you don't look as guilty yourself. But I think that
00:22:37.140 to some extent, the Democrats by doing all that sort of overplayed their hand. And frankly, I think
00:22:43.800 they did all this, right? They exerted all this political capital, all of their influence and leverage
00:22:48.880 with Silicon Valley, the mainstream media networks. And of course, naturally, there is there is an
00:22:54.700 affinity there. But I think once they actually got power, right, we're seeing the country go to
00:23:00.840 shambles, whether it's inflation, whether it's gas prices, whether it's at home abroad, Afghanistan,
00:23:06.620 China, the South China Sea, and of course, Ukraine. So I think that, you know, during the 2020 campaign,
00:23:12.140 it always seemed to be the critique that Democrats didn't really have anything to run on,
00:23:16.320 they were just running on hating Trump. And I think that that's sort of true, because now that
00:23:20.400 you see them in power, doesn't really seem like they have any initiative or any policies that
00:23:24.560 they're putting that are actually helping Americans, it has to do more with, you know,
00:23:28.180 crazy, abstract gender, transgender stuff, right? Meanwhile, gas prices are soaring. So I think
00:23:34.200 that to me, the silver lining and all this, if you can even find one, is that when the midterms come,
00:23:40.960 I think Democrats have proved because they, you know, got all these elements of Americans
00:23:46.300 society, as that Time magazine article shows, to kind of get them a victory when they didn't
00:23:51.940 deserve it. They've showed how incompetent they are. So I think that hopefully, God willing,
00:23:58.720 that that will kind of prevail in the midterms and that Americans will see the truth, which I think
00:24:03.200 they are.
00:24:07.760 Tell us about Burisma and Hunter Biden's connection to Ukraine, if you can.
00:24:14.300 Sure. So the Burisma story, there are a lot of foreign names and, you know, dates and kind of
00:24:23.080 data points that even for me, get a little confusing and shady. And frankly, they're hard
00:24:28.500 to pronounce. Yeah. So I think that the best way to kind of look at this Burisma story, it's just that
00:24:34.620 it is one of dozens of examples, how Hunter Biden was trading off of his last name, and his family
00:24:41.900 connections in a country that had a very rocky political past, present and future, in an industry
00:24:50.080 that is energy that he had no expertise in. So, you know, ostensibly, when he was put placed on the
00:24:58.040 board of Burisma, it was not because of his energy expertise. It was because of his last name. And as a
00:25:04.400 result of that, I forget the specific number, I'm inclined to say it was around $50,000. But he was
00:25:09.540 getting these absurd monthly retainers, just to sit on the board and basically do nothing. But from the
00:25:15.680 hard drive, you can see that he wasn't totally doing nothing. Some of his associates, individuals who
00:25:21.640 are also around him, there was a lot of emailing back and forth trying to, you know, get contracts,
00:25:26.900 make connections, set up meetings with the leader of Burisma, and some of the the kind of other
00:25:33.260 associates. But I think the other really interesting aspect of the Burisma deal, like I said, it's a lot
00:25:38.640 of names, it's a lot of people. And it I think it kind of takes away from the bigger story, which is
00:25:45.440 that when Joe Biden was vice president, Barack Obama would always kind of give him special countries or
00:25:51.100 special areas to go and look after and to go and really be the kind of designated point person.
00:25:56.900 You had Iraq, China, Ukraine, those were some of the three, the three main ones. And what's so
00:26:02.880 interesting is that when you look into not just the Hunter Biden hard drive, but also Jim Biden,
00:26:08.140 his brother, where a lot of their I would say most lucrative business dealings occurred, it was in
00:26:13.520 those three countries, you had the, you know, basically half a billion dollar housing contract
00:26:18.380 in Iraq, go to Jim Biden, who had no experience in frankly, Iraq or building houses. And then China and
00:26:24.460 Ukraine are probably the more, you know, prevalent, more newsy stories, because they have to do with
00:26:28.960 Hunter. So you've heard more about them. But of course, everyone knows how Hunter Biden, you know,
00:26:33.460 got several wire transfers and was working with a lot of these Chinese Communist Party linked groups.
00:26:39.060 But also, I think Ukraine, again, like I said, one of these areas that Joe Biden was tasked with
00:26:43.460 kind of managing and really assisting, getting them weapons to defend themselves against Russia.
00:26:48.200 Again, I think another perfect example of the Democrat strategy of projection, right? They
00:26:53.580 impeached Trump for allegedly undermining Ukraine's security, right? That's a great cover.
00:26:59.080 Meanwhile, the FBI was in possession of Hunter Biden's hard drive at the time.
00:27:03.240 And not just that, but Trump was accused of quid pro quo, which it looks like there was a lot of
00:27:07.900 quid pro quo going on with Chinese billionaires and billionaires from Mexico, billionaires around the
00:27:13.600 world between Hunter Biden and them giving them access. You called Hunter Biden Achilles heel.
00:27:18.200 That's exactly what he is. They saw him as the weak point, the weak link in the chain to get to Joe
00:27:26.520 Biden. And Joe Biden seemed all too willing to kind of go along with that. Of course, Joe Biden said he
00:27:31.860 knew nothing about that and knew nothing about the business dealings. But we know even from the hard
00:27:37.480 drive that that is absolutely not true. Joe Biden was to an extent involved in the quid pro quo that
00:27:43.420 Hunter Biden was doing. And just to your point, I mean, that's part of what Trump was impeached for,
00:27:47.480 which, yeah, that's woke projection.
00:27:51.340 No, it really is. And I think it's a really interesting defense that they're trying to take
00:27:55.280 that Joe Biden wasn't involved because you can see just from the hard drive. And even I think that
00:28:00.920 even if you take the hard drive out of it, the whole idea that a father would not know that his son,
00:28:05.800 who was accompanying him on Secret Service protected trips to China just a week before he got business
00:28:11.720 deals with Chinese state linked enterprises is just absurd at face value. And frankly,
00:28:16.580 I think that shows you how dumb the mainstream media complex thinks average Americans are,
00:28:21.980 that they would just believe that Joe Biden had nothing to do with it. But even if you say you run with
00:28:27.020 that narrative, there's so many texts and emails from that hard drive that show not just that the
00:28:33.380 people emailing Hunter Biden, right, these business magnets from Mexico, Ukraine, who knows, really
00:28:38.580 seems to be every country. We're emailing in one specific example, Yejian Ming, who was a Chinese
00:28:45.280 military linked individual, he ran what was called CEFC China Energy. He emailed Hunter Biden,
00:28:52.380 requesting a meeting with quote, H and the family. He probably wasn't talking about Hunter's,
00:28:58.240 you know, 12 year old daughters, most likely, it's probably talking about Joe Biden. But you can also
00:29:03.260 see that there was a very, you know, intimate relationship. There's a story that just broke
00:29:06.620 yesterday, about how Joe Biden was writing college recommendation letters for Hunter Biden's Chinese
00:29:12.080 business partners. So, you know, I think a lot of people like to focus on the big guy. And I think
00:29:17.640 the mainstream media likes to run with that, because it'll probably be a long time before we can
00:29:22.240 actually identify who that is, though, obviously, we all have our suspicions. I'm sure Joe Biden will
00:29:26.900 never admit it. But that's kind of, I think, a, a way to distract from the bigger issue, which is that
00:29:34.240 it's not just that Joe Biden was getting a 10% kickback, you know, on one deal, allegedly,
00:29:38.960 he was involved in the whole enterprise. And it wasn't just Hunter Biden, too. You had Joe Biden's
00:29:43.960 brother, and a lot, a bunch of his family members, too, that, you know, they worked in the Obama
00:29:48.720 administration, when Joe Biden was vice president. Actually, interestingly enough, one of his,
00:29:54.200 two of his nieces were both assigned to the China desk at Treasury. And one of them actually traveled
00:30:00.900 to China as a very low level staffer with the secretary. And you can see she was involved in a
00:30:07.180 lot of high level meetings. So it really just, I think, kind of begs the question as to why is the
00:30:12.860 Biden family, you know, just so keen on having all their family members have such close ties to the
00:30:18.620 Chinese Communist Party. And I think the answer to that is, is money. And it's a lot of money.
00:30:25.960 Yep, yep. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil, as Jesus said. And I think that that
00:30:31.100 is a timeless truth that we certainly see, especially when it is linked to as much power as we are,
00:30:38.020 as we are seeing it today. There is a report that came out, and I, you mentioned it, but I just want
00:30:45.120 to talk a little bit more about this. You said, today, we can exclusively reveal an official
00:30:51.460 connection between the Biden-leaf pandemic firm and biological laboratories based in Ukraine. And
00:30:57.520 you didn't say that today. That was another day. But I'm reading this report from WorldTribune.com.
00:31:01.960 Can you talk a little bit more about that?
00:31:04.780 Sure. So this is one of those stories I'd put on the barisma level of a lot of names, a lot of players,
00:31:09.720 and frankly, hard to believe, because it is so absurd. Even as someone who's covered this for a
00:31:15.020 very long time, I was even surprised that this story was indeed true. So to kind of go slowly,
00:31:21.360 there's a company called Metabiota. And this is a pandemic tracking and response firm. So they
00:31:26.660 got a very, very big contract back in I believe it was 2015 during the Ebola outbreak. And they were
00:31:33.800 tasked with trying to help monitor the spread of Ebola, particularly in the United States, also in
00:31:38.660 Africa, but really to help make analytics and models for American and really Western companies
00:31:45.200 to see how pandemics and global outbreaks would impact their bottom line. So in some ways, they
00:31:51.700 were basically profiting off pandemics. But if you put that kind of shady business model aside,
00:31:56.820 the way that they are connected to Hunter Biden is that an offshoot of Rosemont Capital,
00:32:02.000 which was founded all the way back in 2009 by Hunter Biden, and actually, believe it or not,
00:32:08.240 climate envoy John Kerry's stepson, called Rosemont Capital. So there was an offshoot called
00:32:15.160 Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners. And this group was investing, you know, millions of dollars into a
00:32:21.440 bunch of, you know, media, tech, biotech, even pharma companies. Some even fun, fun fact for that I'm sure
00:32:29.520 your audience would probably get a kick out of if you've ever played the virtual reality game. I
00:32:33.720 haven't, but I was looking into it's called IMVU. It's like a game that little girls play. RSTP,
00:32:39.320 their technology group was also heavily invested in that, which was sort of bizarre. But they also
00:32:43.920 had some more, right? I know. They also had some more nefarious investments, I would say. And one of
00:32:49.200 those was MetaBiota. So Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners led the first round of financing
00:32:54.700 for this group. You can see on their website, which has now been deleted, as you would probably
00:33:00.500 suspect, that this company, MetaBiota, was listed on Hunter Biden's portfolio. So Hunter Biden was a
00:33:07.060 managing director of RSTP. So was John Kerry's stepson, you know, and this is in their own words,
00:33:11.720 you can see it on the website, even though it has been deleted. So what's really interesting about
00:33:16.360 MetaBiota, not just that it also, believe it or not, has links to EcoHealth Alliance, the group that
00:33:22.400 was receiving funds from Anthony Fauci to conduct research with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:33:27.880 But that MetaBiota was actually running a network of at least a few biological laboratories around
00:33:34.140 Ukraine. And this dovetails with reports, I would say probably from a week before we released this
00:33:40.440 story, confirming the existence of these bio labs. Again, the bio labs that all the fact checkers,
00:33:46.660 mainstream media, and a bunch of Biden official apparatchiks were saying didn't exist.
00:33:52.400 But these labs existed, like I said, there were several facilities, you can see in deleted
00:33:58.700 portions of MetaBiota's website, they listed these, they listed Ukraine on their map as where they had
00:34:05.200 the facilities. But what's so interesting is that a lot of the research that they were conducting
00:34:11.100 in and around Ukraine, again, right on the border of Russia, a country that we know is, you know,
00:34:16.000 teaming with corruption and bad faith, bad state actors, they were working with some of the
00:34:21.340 deadliest pathogens. Specifically, you can see MetaBiota funded researchers. So if you follow
00:34:28.180 kind of the money trail, essentially, Hunter Biden, RSTP funded researchers, working on studies
00:34:35.180 in Ukraine that had to do with some of the deadliest pathogens that we know, whether it was plague,
00:34:40.420 anthrax. And this, of course, like I said, came on the heels about a week after another national
00:34:46.140 post report, revealing that the whole reason that these that this network of biological laboratories
00:34:52.080 existed in Ukraine in the first place, actually went all the way back to 2005, because it was
00:34:58.000 actually believe it or not, none other than President, then former Senator Barack Obama,
00:35:02.460 who had signed a treaty or a memorandum of understanding between the United States and Ukraine
00:35:08.060 to work on some of these deadly pathogens. And if you read the text of either the articles
00:35:13.960 describing it, or even the bill itself, the pathogens that they're describing working with
00:35:18.100 are described as, quote, especially dangerous pathogens. So as someone who covered the Wuhan
00:35:22.700 Institute of Virology, and kind of the story of the origins of COVID-19 very closely,
00:35:27.620 I think there are a lot of deja vu moments, right? You see these biological facilities that are
00:35:33.200 nowhere near up to par when it comes to safety standards. You know, we don't really know who's
00:35:38.060 working in them. If it's a Hunter Biden funded firm, given his expertise in the area of, you know,
00:35:43.740 technology and medical and scientific research, which is, you know, zero, it doesn't really give
00:35:48.900 me that much confidence as to what was going on there. But I think the the broader takeaway from
00:35:54.840 that story, you know, isn't connecting all these crazy arrows and dots. I think it's more,
00:35:59.540 you have someone who was the vice president's son, plowing millions of dollars into any company
00:36:05.180 that could just turn him a profit. It didn't matter what they were doing. It didn't matter
00:36:09.360 if they were working in a country that was so wracked with corruption, and such bad faith actors
00:36:14.320 and deadly pathogens, you know, who knows what's going on there. But they can make a profit. And
00:36:19.520 that was their goal. And I think that that's kind of the sadder part. And I think really reflective
00:36:24.820 and really have some deep metaphorical, I think, significance as to what drives the American
00:36:31.180 elite. I think Hunter Biden is a perfect example of the mindset that really, I think, has kind of
00:36:36.560 corrupted the minds of so many people at the top of American society. And I think that's why you kind
00:36:41.920 of see, you know, the America that we have today. It's all about profit for the people at the top.
00:36:46.800 And it doesn't matter, you know, what the gas prices are. It doesn't matter for everyday Americans.
00:36:54.820 Once again, a form of projection, the very same people who call conservatives fascists and who
00:37:04.520 call the Republican Party fascists are actually perpetrators of the same kind of fascistic
00:37:12.680 policies and behaviors as they say that the right is actually perpetrating. And what I mean by that is
00:37:19.740 the wedding of corporate and government power to impose your will on people. I think people are
00:37:26.620 waking up and have woken up over the past couple of years, but especially when it comes to something
00:37:30.780 like this and realizing just how much power, you know, Davos and the World Economic Forum have that
00:37:37.600 we live in a much less democratic and free republic than we originally thought that a lot of what we
00:37:45.940 think is is freedom and democratic processes are almost just kind of like a mirage to keep us
00:37:52.240 satiated and distracted as the people in charge wield their their power and do what they want to do.
00:37:58.160 I mean, we've talked many times about the Great Reset on this podcast, and I think people are waking up
00:38:02.580 to just how corrupt and just how powerful world leaders are and how they really are working against
00:38:09.020 the very people that they say that we're they're working for in fighting on the behalf of. And I know a lot of
00:38:16.220 people can listen to all of this and get very disheartened because it's overwhelming. I mean, what can we as an
00:38:20.700 average, but what can we do as average people to push back against this corruption to try to expose this
00:38:26.380 corruption? And I have one point and then one question for you on that. We can look at a country like Hungary,
00:38:32.800 who is infiltrated with all kinds of dark money, specifically from George Soros and left-wing groups
00:38:39.720 who call Viktor Orban a, you know, a dictator. And I'm not completely privy to all Hungarian politics. But
00:38:47.940 with the reelection of Viktor Orban, I think that we can see that it is not set in stone that the people
00:38:58.580 who are infusing dark money, the people at the top, the elites at the World Economic Forum can determine
00:39:04.840 the fate of our countries and the fate of our elections. The people do still have power. Our
00:39:10.080 voices still do matter. Our vote still does matter. And we've seen that in several ways over the past
00:39:18.200 couple of years. So I just don't want people to get disheartened. Yes, the people at the top are very
00:39:21.780 corrupt. Yes, there's a lot of powerful people that want to undermine the interests of the United States.
00:39:27.980 That does not mean that the average person doesn't have power when we speak up. So that's one point
00:39:33.100 I want to make the question that I want to ask based on that. Congressional Republicans are saying
00:39:38.560 that they are investigating Hunter Biden and all of this corruption. Do you think that will lead to
00:39:44.320 anything substantive? Do you think that will produce any kind of positive outcome? Do you think that could
00:39:50.980 possibly lead to more transparency? Well, I think that's a difficult question to answer because
00:39:58.560 my kind of take on that is that the evidence is already out there, right, in the form of the hard
00:40:05.280 drive. Frankly, just in the form of public records, right, the fact that Hunter Biden was doing all of
00:40:10.480 these business deals with foreign entities and never registered with the Foreign Agent Registration Act,
00:40:16.380 the same crime that Rudy Giuliani had his apartment raided for in the early morning hours.
00:40:22.360 You know, the same FBI that can't even locate Hunter Biden's laptop, yet they raided incorrectly,
00:40:28.180 might I add, another in another early morning raid, the house of an Alaskan couple
00:40:32.620 to find Nancy Pelosi's laptop. These people never even entered the Capitol.
00:40:37.900 So I think when it comes to kind of the double standard and how there always seems to be a lack
00:40:42.060 of accountability for the members of America's elite, that's why I have some hesitation, because
00:40:47.980 like I said, I think a lot of the evidence is out there. But on the other hand, I mean, the mere fact
00:40:53.580 the mainstream media is actually covering the story, and that there is an appetite, you know,
00:40:59.320 to get Joe Biden removed, because frankly, I think they want Kamala Harris. I think it makes for
00:41:03.680 strange bedfellows, right? Congressional Republicans in the mainstream media, because they ultimately
00:41:09.120 paradoxically have the same goal, which is, I think, to get Joe Biden out, or at least to expose
00:41:15.420 the corruption. So I'm sort of optimistic in that sense. But, you know, I wouldn't necessarily hold
00:41:20.720 my breath. But I do think that people have have a lot of reason to be optimistic more broadly. You
00:41:27.040 know, I think that when we were going through the period of opening up and normalizing trade
00:41:31.100 relations with China, the refrain was always, you know, we're going to change China. But I think it's
00:41:35.940 pretty easy to look around and see that the opposite happened, right? It was China that
00:41:39.640 changed us. And I think it's naive to assume that from all the time that people like Joe Biden spent
00:41:44.640 having their private dinners with Xi Jinping, Hunter Biden, and these backroom business deals,
00:41:49.800 that, you know, the Chinese Communist Party's way of ruling their model of authoritarianism,
00:41:54.820 which I think the kind of Western version of that is, of course, executed by the World Economic
00:41:58.880 Forum, who also works in tandem with the Chinese Communist Party. But it also rubbed off on them,
00:42:03.480 right? I think Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, at the end of the day, are very envious of the power
00:42:07.100 that the Chinese Communist Party has over the people they rule. But I think why we're lucky and
00:42:12.740 why, you know, it's really more important than ever to be speaking out about these stories and
00:42:17.700 sharing them and informing yourself is because we still have freedom of speech, which is something
00:42:21.800 that people in China don't, right? We still ostensibly can talk about these things in our day to day
00:42:27.440 lives. Yes, cancel culture makes it hard. But I think it's our duty to keep talking about these
00:42:32.240 stories and sharing it. And you know what, if this congressional investigation doesn't go
00:42:36.380 anywhere, right? If these House Republicans kind of wimp out, which they've been known to do,
00:42:40.660 call them up and tell them, you know, keep investigating Hunter Biden. Because I think
00:42:45.360 Hunter Biden is, like I said, not just an Achilles heel, but I think kind of an access in between a
00:42:51.820 lot of these ugly, ugly players who've really taken the, I would say, destiny of America and just
00:42:58.680 American society as a whole in a very different kind of statist, corporatist direction, where you
00:43:03.160 see this fusion of big tech, and all these just establishment entities like Ann Applebaum. So I
00:43:08.220 think we really need to keep pushing on the Hunter Biden story. And don't be afraid, even if you get
00:43:12.640 banned, shadow banned, you know, whatever type of ban they're executing these days, just to keep sharing
00:43:17.840 the stories and talking about it, because they want you to stop doing that. They want you to not have
00:43:22.040 hope that we will be able to get past their lies. But you know, the truth, I do think even amidst the
00:43:27.760 censorship and the shadow bans does prevail. Yes, absolutely. And actually, the censorship of the
00:43:35.360 New York Post story in the beginning has made the story now, I think, much more amplified than it
00:43:43.560 would have been without the original censorship, because people are saying, oh, now you're reporting
00:43:48.840 on it. It really was just the timing thing. It wasn't that it was Russian disinformation. It
00:43:54.040 wasn't that it wasn't relevant. It really was that you just didn't want to put the story out before the
00:43:58.500 election. So I actually think even though I think that censorship was egregious, it's actually allowed
00:44:03.740 the story now to be a bigger story than it would have been otherwise. And so you never know, you never
00:44:09.440 know. And that's why it is important, as you said, to consistently tell the truth. Thank you for the
00:44:13.680 role that you play in that. And for your very smart and brave and clear reporting. I really
00:44:18.840 appreciate you taking the time to come on and explain all this today. I know people are going
00:44:23.320 to get a lot out of it. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.