Ep 596 ｜ Hunter Biden’s Connections to Ukrainian Bio Labs & Chinese Communists
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Reporter Natalie Winters ( ) joins Allie to talk about the Biden laptop scandal and the connections between the Chinese Communist Party and the United States government. She also gives us an update on the situation in Ukraine and Russia's invasion of that country.
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Okay, we've got a very fascinating episode interview for you today with reporter Natalie
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Winters. She is from the National Pulse, and we are going to talk about this crazy Hunter Biden
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laptop story and the recent revelations that have come out, what it has to do with the Chinese
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Communist Party and its tentacles here in the United States, in the upper rungs of governmental
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power here. Also, his connection with Ukraine in biolabs in Ukraine and Barack Obama in the early
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2000s. And what in the world? Like, my mind was blown during this interview. All of the
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levels of corruption is just crazy. But it's not going to end with you feeling entirely overwhelmed
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and disheartened by the corruption in our government. I think it's really important that we know what's
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going on and that we talk about the corruption that's going on. That is exactly what the powers
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that we don't want us to do. But it's also just going to remind us why transparency and asking
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questions and critical thinking and unbiased journalism is so important and why it's so important
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to support reporters that are trying to ask hard questions that aren't just, you know, cozying up
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with the people in power. And so that's why I'm talking to this journalist. That's why we're talking
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about this story. This is not something that we typically talk about, because you guys know we
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typically focus on the culture war type stuff. But man, this really matters. These are the people
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that are supposed to be leading us. And if they are in bed with the Chinese Communist Party and corrupt
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billionaires from around the world, then I think that we need to know about it. And we need to be
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talking about it. Before we get into this conversation, I also just want to give an update
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on what's happening in Ukraine. That's something that we haven't talked about in a couple weeks.
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Now, it really doesn't matter what we think about the foreign policy decisions by President Biden or the
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suggestions for what our foreign policy positions should be among Democrats and Republicans in
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Washington. There are a lot of different opinions on that. There are a lot of different takes. We have
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analyzed those different perspectives. And we have looked at what I think is a suspect narrative
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and a suspect transition pushed by the mainstream media from obsessing over COVID and vaccine mandates
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forcing people to get vaccinated who don't want to get vaccinated to Ukraine. But all of that said,
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that doesn't mean that we don't really, really care about the humanitarian crisis that is there.
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That doesn't mean that we don't care about what is objectively evil that is being perpetrated right
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now by Vladimir Putin towards civilians. There have been, as of now, according to the UN,
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1,563 civilians that have been killed since Russia's invasion. And so there are a lot of questions
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about what started this, the United States' involvement in the destabilization of this
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relationship between Ukraine and Russia. And I think that we should ask all of those questions
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while still making sure that we have a compassionate and soft heart towards the people that are suffering,
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while also realizing that, yes, our media focuses on this particular suffering because it might help
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them in some kind of politically expedient way, you know, gin up support for Joe Biden here in the
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United States. But this is not the only suffering that's happening in the world. There is a lot of
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suffering that is happening in various parts of the world that our hearts should remain soft for these
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people, no matter what our political opinions are. There are, according to CNN, alleged Russian war crimes
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in the villages of Bukha, Erpen, and Hostumel after Russian forces pulled out of Kiev. And so this is
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something that is ongoing. There is almost now a global response to what's happening between these two
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countries. And I am hoping, yes, I'm hoping for the well-being and the safety and the protection
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of the people in Ukraine and also Russian civilians, any of these people who are negatively affected by this.
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But I can also hope at the same time that America is not pulled into a hot war here. I can also hope
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that we don't have World War III, that we don't have a nuclear war, because if we don't like civilian
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casualties in Ukraine, which we shouldn't, we also shouldn't like civilian casualties elsewhere. And that
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is what would happen if we established a no-fly zone or if America gets involved more heavily with
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armed troops actually being on the ground. So we need to have a balanced perspective on all of this
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critical thinking and compassion shouldn't be mutually exclusive. That's something that I like
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to remind us often. And so let us pray for the people in Ukraine. Let us pray for everyone who
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is being negatively affected, especially the babies. Ukraine is a big hotbed of surrogacy. It's a big
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hotbed of corruption in general and a lot of corrupt industries, all forms of human trafficking,
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surrogacy being one of them, where poor women are kind of coerced and manipulated into getting paid to
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rent out their wombs for rich strangers abroad. And so there are a lot of babies and a lot of moms
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who just gave birth to these babies, these surrogate babies who are abandoned there. Let us especially
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pray for them. Let's do what we can to support and to think of them as this is ongoing. Now, in today's
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conversation, we're not going to talk about the humanitarian crisis. We're going to talk about
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the corruption in the United States and specifically the Biden family and how that is tied into Ukraine and
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even what is going on in Ukraine. But I don't want us to forget that there are real people who
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are being affected by what's going on there and just remind ourselves that even as we're talking
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about the corruption and asking hard questions, that we feel a lot of sympathy for them.
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Natalie, thank you so much for joining us. For those who may not know, can you tell us who you are and
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what you do? Sure. I am an investigative reporter for the National Pulse. I focus primarily on how
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the Chinese Communist Party infiltrates really all of America, whether that's academia, the mainstream
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media, the White House, as we're currently seeing right now. But covering that beat kind of allows
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me, I would say, the privilege to cover a lot of very relevant areas that have to do with foreign
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governments trying to compromise American leaders, American thought leaders, which, as I said,
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we're seeing on full display right now. Yes. And it allows you to cover a lot of different things
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also because the CCP has their tentacles in so many areas of our culture and so many areas of the
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government, as you mentioned. So speaking of the CCP, I want to talk about this Hunter Biden story,
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the Hunter Biden laptop. Now, we really haven't talked about it in depth on this show. People might
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remember the New York Post reported on Hunter Biden's laptop and some compromising information
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and things that were found on there right before the election in 2020. The New York Post account got
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suspended. We were told over and over again, this story is just Russian disinformation. It's not
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something we should worry about. Why is Hunter Biden's laptop, though, in the story again? And why does
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it seem like the same people who said that was a stupid, irrelevant story back in 2020? Why are they saying
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that it might actually matter now? Sure. Well, the whole Hunter Biden hard drive story is not only a
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perfect example of really big tech collusion on behalf of Democrats and also mainstream media cover
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ups on behalf of, frankly, the Biden family, but it's also, I think, a perfect example of the kind of
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corruption that we see or sometimes we don't see going on every single day in America at the hands of
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our ruling elites, epitomized by the likes of Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton. And it goes to the other
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side of the aisle to more of these establishment Republicans. But to kind of go back to square one
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on this story, because I think that framing is really important to understand why this news story
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has reemerged in the current cycle and why mainstream media outlets are sort of paying attention to it,
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though I would argue that the way that they're framing the story has less to do with Joe Biden,
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who is, of course, a key player in this whole scandal, and more to do with putting all of the blame
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on Hunter. So all the way back in 2011, there's an op ed that I always love to bring up when I'm
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talking about the Hunter Biden hard drive that Joe Biden wrote, and it was titled China's rise is an
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hour demise. And I know that this op ed made headlines again during the 2020 campaign, because
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it was a perfect example of how Joe Biden, as he'd made a lot of incorrect calls on foreign policy,
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but particularly in the realm of China. But my take on that op ed wasn't that he was necessarily wrong.
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It was just that the hour that he was referring to, oh, you are, wasn't the average everyday
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American. It was American elites like Joe Biden, like Hunter Biden, like his family. I think that's
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probably a story that your viewers know all too well that there's this, you know, certain segment
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of the American population, they tend to be Democrats, of course, some establishment Republicans
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too, but who always seem to get lucrative, you know, contracts and nice business deals with it
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always seems to be the Chinese Communist Party. So when this hard drive got leaked, it was actually
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originally given to the FBI from a laptop repair shop owner. But it made its way into the hands of
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Rudy Giuliani, who then proceeded to disseminate it to certain people who were going through the hard
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drive, people who had knowledge and expertise of Chinese Communist Party infiltration, the way it
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works. So the National Pulse, which is the outlet that I work at, we were lucky enough to get our
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hands on a copy of it. So from there, we started digging in, really, to emails, text messages,
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pictures, videos, and I'm sure a lot of the headlines that people have seen have to do with
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some of the, for lack of a better word, you know, degenerate activities going on, you've seen the
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pictures and videos. But as someone who covers, like I said, this foreign collusion, foreign corruption,
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and not the Russian collusion kind that we like to hear about so much from, from the Democrats,
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but really Chinese Communist Party collusion, there was just copious amounts of evidence of business
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deals of wire transactions on there. So what this hard drive, I think corroborates best is that Hunter
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Biden, while his father was vice president, even before and even after, was really running around
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the globe to every corner of the earth, inking deals with some of the most corrupt business leaders,
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corrupt country leaders, really in every sector, all the way from technology and science and
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pharmaceutical, all the way to energy, power grids, all of these areas he had no expertise in,
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of course. But I think it's also important to understand that a lot of these business deals
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that we're talking about now, whether it's, you know, BHR partners, some of these other LLC
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names that you may have heard of, you know, it's not just the hard drive that brought these shady
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business dealings to the forefront. A lot of this was publicly available, albeit a lot of these web
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pages have been deleted. But Hunter Biden's track record for working with the Chinese Communist Party
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was out in the open, the mainstream media just didn't really bother to cover it. But this hard
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drive, I think, was was really the smoking gun, because it allowed you to see who his inner circle
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was. And the fact that these wire transfers, in very, very large sums worth, you know, a heck of a lot
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more than the average annual salary of an American, were being wired to Hunter Biden's account during
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the time his father was vice president and other family members, too. So that's kind of the broad
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overview. But I'd be happy to get into some specifics if you have any questions.
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That was an amazing broad overview. And so I really appreciate that a lot. I'm thinking back to when this
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story first came out, and the New York Post was talking about it. And we were constantly told,
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as I already mentioned, from the mainstream media, from Biden's campaign, of course, that this is
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simply Russian disinformation, or this is something that we really shouldn't be talking
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about. It's not relevant. Actually, a writer at The Atlantic, I think her name is Ann Applebaum,
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she was just asked by a University of Chicago student, a writer there, why she didn't think that story
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was relevant. Because I think she talked about at the time in 2020, that this wasn't something that
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she wanted to cover, that it was a form of disinformation. She answered just the other day
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that the story just isn't interesting to her. It's not interesting to her. Is there, was there,
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you think, conscious collusion by big tech and by these news outlets that refused to cover it and
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just kind of silenced and suppressed the story to help Joe Biden to cover out the workings with the CCP?
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Or do you think it's just your kind of, I don't know, run-of-the-mill sloppy work by these
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organizations not wanting to cover a story that might paint their candidate in a negative light?
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Like, how nefarious was the cover-up, do you think?
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I honestly think that this was so nefarious to levels that I really think would hard to be matched
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in recent political history. Because I think you really had an axis, not just of big tech,
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but also their counterparts in various establishment institutions, whether that be
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elected officials. But also, I think there was a letter from about 50 former intelligence officials
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declaring and really decrying this Hunter Biden hard drive as, quote, Russian disinformation. These
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are people who used to run the CIA, used to run all of these, you know, top premier intelligence
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agencies in the United States. And, you know, I think there's one way to say, oh, maybe they just,
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you know, were ignorant. They didn't know. Although I will say that people who had copies of the hard
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drive, my outlet included, there was always an open invitation to anyone from the mainstream media
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who was saying that the hard drive wasn't real. So unless these people live under a rock, I don't
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really think that that is a plausible defense. But I think that, you know, to understand why there was
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such, such a just massive effort on behalf of, you know, the people like Ann Applebaum, people who
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kind of come from this establishment world. Might I add, it was, it was, I'm a University of Chicago
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student as well. Oh, you are. Okay. I didn't realize that. Yes. Yes. So I'm very glad to see my,
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my peers holding Ann Applebaum to account. But that whole event was about disinformation.
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Their keynote speaker was Barack Obama. So that tells you a little bit about what that whole event
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was about. But I think, I think the, the kind of bigger story here in this, again, dovetails
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with what I cover more broadly, but it is how calculated and orchestrated of an effort the
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Chinese Communist Party really has weaponized at the hands of their regime and even their military,
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they engage in political warfare to really compromise every aspect of American society.
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And I think they viewed Hunter Biden as an Achilles heel, right? He was the offspring of
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a very powerful and prominent elected official who had a lot of vices to say the least. But that whole
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entire operation, it kind of works in tandem with the Chinese Communist Party, knowing that when push
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comes to shove, the mainstream media and these big tech companies will ultimately cover for them. And
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we've done a lot of reporting at the National Pulse about how virtually every single mainstream media
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outlet all the way from CNN, New York Times, Washington Post, names that I'm sure no one is
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surprised to hear for decades had actually been taking trips to China, sponsored by a Chinese
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Communist Party influence group that was also linked to one of these groups that Hunter Biden was working
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with. And we, so we saw the documents that kind of outlined what exactly they were stipulated to
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provide in exchange for these trips. And upon returning to the United States, a lot of these journalists
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had to provide, quote, favorable coverage. These are documents that are housed at the Department
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of Justice, so not Russian disinformation. So I think that the Hunter Biden hard drive story really
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is a perfect example of the ecosystem that China has created in the United States and what they're able
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So why are they, though, covering this now? Why is The Washington Post and The New York Times and
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Politico? Now, they might not be fully covering it the way that we would want them to, as thoroughly
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and as honestly as we would want them to, but they are covering it. They are kind of admitting,
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oh, this is a little problematic. Why not just brush this under the rug if they are concerned about
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Well, I think that anybody who's been watching the White House closely, even though it may be very
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painful to do that, knows that there's a bit of a shade war, I would call it going on, between Kamala
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and Joe Biden. And we had called this back, I think, even before the 2020 election, right when the hard
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drive stories were really hitting their peak in terms of, I would say, kind of the right wing echo
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chamber as much as these stories could break through despite the bans and censorship and shadow banning.
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But that the contents of these hard drive, of the hard drive would ultimately be used to either
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impeach Joe Biden or to bring about the invoking of the 25th Amendment. So in my opinion, I think that
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the mainstream media, along with their kind of, you know, think tank DC arm, the people who create
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their talking points, have decided that it's time for Joe Biden to go. And I think that they know the
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most politically expedient way. And frankly, you don't really even have to fabricate that much
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evidence, right? The dealings on the hard drive are pretty damning to Joe Biden's political credibility,
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legitimacy, and authority. So I think that they are using this hard drive now kind of as a leverage
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point, really as a cudgel against Joe Biden to bring about, as scary as it sounds, a President Kamala
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Harris, because nothing, you know, at least domestically, obviously, Ukraine has happened,
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the failure that is Afghanistan happened. But there's no real, I would say, change domestically
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that has precipitated such such a massive shift for the mainstream media to now be covering Hunter
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Biden, right? It's not like Hunter Biden did anything else that really put himself in the
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news cycle, it sort of seemed to be like an organic development. And then suddenly, all these,
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you know, three letter networks were covering the story in lockstep. So whenever you see the
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mainstream media, and likely their fact checkers working in concert, to me, that's always a red
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flag, that there's some, you know, either major narrative shift happening or potential political
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tide turn, that they're waiting to bring about, but they just have to kind of lay the groundwork.
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Right, because if it were just completely innocuous motivations, if it was just because they wanted to
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be honest, they would have reported on this a long time ago. So I think you're right, there's always
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a reason to question the timing of this kind of thing. Now, they're not reporting on it close enough
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to the midterms to where it would make a difference in that way. And I think that's probably also
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strategic. I don't know if this is a CYA move, or I'm sure it does have a lot to do with exactly
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what you're what you're talking about. But I do think people should be thinking critically
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about that sort of thing. And also, it makes me look at the election. I mean, there's been a lot
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of questions surrounding the media and big tech's role in the results of the election. But there's
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been a lot that's happened over the past year that has made me question once again, just how
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much integrity the election process had. We're not even talking about not even talking about fraud and
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things like that. Just talking about the collusion between the Chinese Communist Party, between
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the people in the highest rungs of power in the United States and the mainstream media and major
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corporations, big tech, all working together to prevent, it seems like, and Time Magazine actually
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wrote about this at the time to prevent Donald Trump from becoming president. For people who are
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looking at this, they're listening to this story, and they're like, wow, I cannot believe that the
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media stopped this, that social media stopped this from coming out right before the election, because
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they were afraid it was going to change the course of the election. People who are worried that that
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is just going to happen again. That's what that's going to keep happening. We can't trust the integrity
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of our elections just for that reason. I mean, what's your what's your message? What's your
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thought behind that? Do you share that concern? Do you have any optimism that now the media is
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reporting, honestly, that we can have reason to believe they'll operate with more integrity in
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the future? What are your thoughts? Well, I think it's really interesting as someone who followed
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the 2016 election and the fallout very closely in terms of how various media outlets really
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spearheaded the, you know, Russia collusion narrative, which, of course, the kind of key
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players in that were, of course, media outlets. And then you also had big tech, right? This story
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that a bunch of Russian bots got a bunch of Americans to vote for Donald Trump. Right. And of
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course, there was also a lot of reporting, even congressional reports, all the way up to Nancy
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Pelosi being the lead author on some of these talking about the vulnerabilities that Americans
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election systems had, specifically voting machines, and even kind of the loopholes and just ability for
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fraud to occur when it came to mail and voting. And I think one way to look at all of that reporting
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was, you know, wow, these crazy Democrats, they're just creating all these conspiracy theories. They're
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not real. But I think, frankly, that they sort of used all of these accusations as a playbook for what
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they were going to do in the 2020 election. I think you see that with the way that big tech colluded on
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behalf of this Hunter Biden story. I think you see it even more broadly, right, with banning Trump,
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banning, you know, people who support Trump for basically no reason at all. So I think it's really
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interesting that, you know, they kind of adopted this playbook that they accused Republicans of,
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it seems 24 seven, 365 days a year. But of course, I think that's the best strategy, right? Accus
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your enemies of what you're guilty of. So then you don't look as guilty yourself. But I think that
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to some extent, the Democrats by doing all that sort of overplayed their hand. And frankly, I think
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they did all this, right? They exerted all this political capital, all of their influence and leverage
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with Silicon Valley, the mainstream media networks. And of course, naturally, there is there is an
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affinity there. But I think once they actually got power, right, we're seeing the country go to
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shambles, whether it's inflation, whether it's gas prices, whether it's at home abroad, Afghanistan,
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China, the South China Sea, and of course, Ukraine. So I think that, you know, during the 2020 campaign,
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it always seemed to be the critique that Democrats didn't really have anything to run on,
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they were just running on hating Trump. And I think that that's sort of true, because now that
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you see them in power, doesn't really seem like they have any initiative or any policies that
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they're putting that are actually helping Americans, it has to do more with, you know,
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crazy, abstract gender, transgender stuff, right? Meanwhile, gas prices are soaring. So I think
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that to me, the silver lining and all this, if you can even find one, is that when the midterms come,
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I think Democrats have proved because they, you know, got all these elements of Americans
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society, as that Time magazine article shows, to kind of get them a victory when they didn't
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deserve it. They've showed how incompetent they are. So I think that hopefully, God willing,
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that that will kind of prevail in the midterms and that Americans will see the truth, which I think
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Tell us about Burisma and Hunter Biden's connection to Ukraine, if you can.
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Sure. So the Burisma story, there are a lot of foreign names and, you know, dates and kind of
00:24:23.080
data points that even for me, get a little confusing and shady. And frankly, they're hard
00:24:28.500
to pronounce. Yeah. So I think that the best way to kind of look at this Burisma story, it's just that
00:24:34.620
it is one of dozens of examples, how Hunter Biden was trading off of his last name, and his family
00:24:41.900
connections in a country that had a very rocky political past, present and future, in an industry
00:24:50.080
that is energy that he had no expertise in. So, you know, ostensibly, when he was put placed on the
00:24:58.040
board of Burisma, it was not because of his energy expertise. It was because of his last name. And as a
00:25:04.400
result of that, I forget the specific number, I'm inclined to say it was around $50,000. But he was
00:25:09.540
getting these absurd monthly retainers, just to sit on the board and basically do nothing. But from the
00:25:15.680
hard drive, you can see that he wasn't totally doing nothing. Some of his associates, individuals who
00:25:21.640
are also around him, there was a lot of emailing back and forth trying to, you know, get contracts,
00:25:26.900
make connections, set up meetings with the leader of Burisma, and some of the the kind of other
00:25:33.260
associates. But I think the other really interesting aspect of the Burisma deal, like I said, it's a lot
00:25:38.640
of names, it's a lot of people. And it I think it kind of takes away from the bigger story, which is
00:25:45.440
that when Joe Biden was vice president, Barack Obama would always kind of give him special countries or
00:25:51.100
special areas to go and look after and to go and really be the kind of designated point person.
00:25:56.900
You had Iraq, China, Ukraine, those were some of the three, the three main ones. And what's so
00:26:02.880
interesting is that when you look into not just the Hunter Biden hard drive, but also Jim Biden,
00:26:08.140
his brother, where a lot of their I would say most lucrative business dealings occurred, it was in
00:26:13.520
those three countries, you had the, you know, basically half a billion dollar housing contract
00:26:18.380
in Iraq, go to Jim Biden, who had no experience in frankly, Iraq or building houses. And then China and
00:26:24.460
Ukraine are probably the more, you know, prevalent, more newsy stories, because they have to do with
00:26:28.960
Hunter. So you've heard more about them. But of course, everyone knows how Hunter Biden, you know,
00:26:33.460
got several wire transfers and was working with a lot of these Chinese Communist Party linked groups.
00:26:39.060
But also, I think Ukraine, again, like I said, one of these areas that Joe Biden was tasked with
00:26:43.460
kind of managing and really assisting, getting them weapons to defend themselves against Russia.
00:26:48.200
Again, I think another perfect example of the Democrat strategy of projection, right? They
00:26:53.580
impeached Trump for allegedly undermining Ukraine's security, right? That's a great cover.
00:26:59.080
Meanwhile, the FBI was in possession of Hunter Biden's hard drive at the time.
00:27:03.240
And not just that, but Trump was accused of quid pro quo, which it looks like there was a lot of
00:27:07.900
quid pro quo going on with Chinese billionaires and billionaires from Mexico, billionaires around the
00:27:13.600
world between Hunter Biden and them giving them access. You called Hunter Biden Achilles heel.
00:27:18.200
That's exactly what he is. They saw him as the weak point, the weak link in the chain to get to Joe
00:27:26.520
Biden. And Joe Biden seemed all too willing to kind of go along with that. Of course, Joe Biden said he
00:27:31.860
knew nothing about that and knew nothing about the business dealings. But we know even from the hard
00:27:37.480
drive that that is absolutely not true. Joe Biden was to an extent involved in the quid pro quo that
00:27:43.420
Hunter Biden was doing. And just to your point, I mean, that's part of what Trump was impeached for,
00:27:51.340
No, it really is. And I think it's a really interesting defense that they're trying to take
00:27:55.280
that Joe Biden wasn't involved because you can see just from the hard drive. And even I think that
00:28:00.920
even if you take the hard drive out of it, the whole idea that a father would not know that his son,
00:28:05.800
who was accompanying him on Secret Service protected trips to China just a week before he got business
00:28:11.720
deals with Chinese state linked enterprises is just absurd at face value. And frankly,
00:28:16.580
I think that shows you how dumb the mainstream media complex thinks average Americans are,
00:28:21.980
that they would just believe that Joe Biden had nothing to do with it. But even if you say you run with
00:28:27.020
that narrative, there's so many texts and emails from that hard drive that show not just that the
00:28:33.380
people emailing Hunter Biden, right, these business magnets from Mexico, Ukraine, who knows, really
00:28:38.580
seems to be every country. We're emailing in one specific example, Yejian Ming, who was a Chinese
00:28:45.280
military linked individual, he ran what was called CEFC China Energy. He emailed Hunter Biden,
00:28:52.380
requesting a meeting with quote, H and the family. He probably wasn't talking about Hunter's,
00:28:58.240
you know, 12 year old daughters, most likely, it's probably talking about Joe Biden. But you can also
00:29:03.260
see that there was a very, you know, intimate relationship. There's a story that just broke
00:29:06.620
yesterday, about how Joe Biden was writing college recommendation letters for Hunter Biden's Chinese
00:29:12.080
business partners. So, you know, I think a lot of people like to focus on the big guy. And I think
00:29:17.640
the mainstream media likes to run with that, because it'll probably be a long time before we can
00:29:22.240
actually identify who that is, though, obviously, we all have our suspicions. I'm sure Joe Biden will
00:29:26.900
never admit it. But that's kind of, I think, a, a way to distract from the bigger issue, which is that
00:29:34.240
it's not just that Joe Biden was getting a 10% kickback, you know, on one deal, allegedly,
00:29:38.960
he was involved in the whole enterprise. And it wasn't just Hunter Biden, too. You had Joe Biden's
00:29:43.960
brother, and a lot, a bunch of his family members, too, that, you know, they worked in the Obama
00:29:48.720
administration, when Joe Biden was vice president. Actually, interestingly enough, one of his,
00:29:54.200
two of his nieces were both assigned to the China desk at Treasury. And one of them actually traveled
00:30:00.900
to China as a very low level staffer with the secretary. And you can see she was involved in a
00:30:07.180
lot of high level meetings. So it really just, I think, kind of begs the question as to why is the
00:30:12.860
Biden family, you know, just so keen on having all their family members have such close ties to the
00:30:18.620
Chinese Communist Party. And I think the answer to that is, is money. And it's a lot of money.
00:30:25.960
Yep, yep. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil, as Jesus said. And I think that that
00:30:31.100
is a timeless truth that we certainly see, especially when it is linked to as much power as we are,
00:30:38.020
as we are seeing it today. There is a report that came out, and I, you mentioned it, but I just want
00:30:45.120
to talk a little bit more about this. You said, today, we can exclusively reveal an official
00:30:51.460
connection between the Biden-leaf pandemic firm and biological laboratories based in Ukraine. And
00:30:57.520
you didn't say that today. That was another day. But I'm reading this report from WorldTribune.com.
00:31:04.780
Sure. So this is one of those stories I'd put on the barisma level of a lot of names, a lot of players,
00:31:09.720
and frankly, hard to believe, because it is so absurd. Even as someone who's covered this for a
00:31:15.020
very long time, I was even surprised that this story was indeed true. So to kind of go slowly,
00:31:21.360
there's a company called Metabiota. And this is a pandemic tracking and response firm. So they
00:31:26.660
got a very, very big contract back in I believe it was 2015 during the Ebola outbreak. And they were
00:31:33.800
tasked with trying to help monitor the spread of Ebola, particularly in the United States, also in
00:31:38.660
Africa, but really to help make analytics and models for American and really Western companies
00:31:45.200
to see how pandemics and global outbreaks would impact their bottom line. So in some ways, they
00:31:51.700
were basically profiting off pandemics. But if you put that kind of shady business model aside,
00:31:56.820
the way that they are connected to Hunter Biden is that an offshoot of Rosemont Capital,
00:32:02.000
which was founded all the way back in 2009 by Hunter Biden, and actually, believe it or not,
00:32:08.240
climate envoy John Kerry's stepson, called Rosemont Capital. So there was an offshoot called
00:32:15.160
Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners. And this group was investing, you know, millions of dollars into a
00:32:21.440
bunch of, you know, media, tech, biotech, even pharma companies. Some even fun, fun fact for that I'm sure
00:32:29.520
your audience would probably get a kick out of if you've ever played the virtual reality game. I
00:32:33.720
haven't, but I was looking into it's called IMVU. It's like a game that little girls play. RSTP,
00:32:39.320
their technology group was also heavily invested in that, which was sort of bizarre. But they also
00:32:43.920
had some more, right? I know. They also had some more nefarious investments, I would say. And one of
00:32:49.200
those was MetaBiota. So Rosemont Seneca Technology Partners led the first round of financing
00:32:54.700
for this group. You can see on their website, which has now been deleted, as you would probably
00:33:00.500
suspect, that this company, MetaBiota, was listed on Hunter Biden's portfolio. So Hunter Biden was a
00:33:07.060
managing director of RSTP. So was John Kerry's stepson, you know, and this is in their own words,
00:33:11.720
you can see it on the website, even though it has been deleted. So what's really interesting about
00:33:16.360
MetaBiota, not just that it also, believe it or not, has links to EcoHealth Alliance, the group that
00:33:22.400
was receiving funds from Anthony Fauci to conduct research with the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
00:33:27.880
But that MetaBiota was actually running a network of at least a few biological laboratories around
00:33:34.140
Ukraine. And this dovetails with reports, I would say probably from a week before we released this
00:33:40.440
story, confirming the existence of these bio labs. Again, the bio labs that all the fact checkers,
00:33:46.660
mainstream media, and a bunch of Biden official apparatchiks were saying didn't exist.
00:33:52.400
But these labs existed, like I said, there were several facilities, you can see in deleted
00:33:58.700
portions of MetaBiota's website, they listed these, they listed Ukraine on their map as where they had
00:34:05.200
the facilities. But what's so interesting is that a lot of the research that they were conducting
00:34:11.100
in and around Ukraine, again, right on the border of Russia, a country that we know is, you know,
00:34:16.000
teaming with corruption and bad faith, bad state actors, they were working with some of the
00:34:21.340
deadliest pathogens. Specifically, you can see MetaBiota funded researchers. So if you follow
00:34:28.180
kind of the money trail, essentially, Hunter Biden, RSTP funded researchers, working on studies
00:34:35.180
in Ukraine that had to do with some of the deadliest pathogens that we know, whether it was plague,
00:34:40.420
anthrax. And this, of course, like I said, came on the heels about a week after another national
00:34:46.140
post report, revealing that the whole reason that these that this network of biological laboratories
00:34:52.080
existed in Ukraine in the first place, actually went all the way back to 2005, because it was
00:34:58.000
actually believe it or not, none other than President, then former Senator Barack Obama,
00:35:02.460
who had signed a treaty or a memorandum of understanding between the United States and Ukraine
00:35:08.060
to work on some of these deadly pathogens. And if you read the text of either the articles
00:35:13.960
describing it, or even the bill itself, the pathogens that they're describing working with
00:35:18.100
are described as, quote, especially dangerous pathogens. So as someone who covered the Wuhan
00:35:22.700
Institute of Virology, and kind of the story of the origins of COVID-19 very closely,
00:35:27.620
I think there are a lot of deja vu moments, right? You see these biological facilities that are
00:35:33.200
nowhere near up to par when it comes to safety standards. You know, we don't really know who's
00:35:38.060
working in them. If it's a Hunter Biden funded firm, given his expertise in the area of, you know,
00:35:43.740
technology and medical and scientific research, which is, you know, zero, it doesn't really give
00:35:48.900
me that much confidence as to what was going on there. But I think the the broader takeaway from
00:35:54.840
that story, you know, isn't connecting all these crazy arrows and dots. I think it's more,
00:35:59.540
you have someone who was the vice president's son, plowing millions of dollars into any company
00:36:05.180
that could just turn him a profit. It didn't matter what they were doing. It didn't matter
00:36:09.360
if they were working in a country that was so wracked with corruption, and such bad faith actors
00:36:14.320
and deadly pathogens, you know, who knows what's going on there. But they can make a profit. And
00:36:19.520
that was their goal. And I think that that's kind of the sadder part. And I think really reflective
00:36:24.820
and really have some deep metaphorical, I think, significance as to what drives the American
00:36:31.180
elite. I think Hunter Biden is a perfect example of the mindset that really, I think, has kind of
00:36:36.560
corrupted the minds of so many people at the top of American society. And I think that's why you kind
00:36:41.920
of see, you know, the America that we have today. It's all about profit for the people at the top.
00:36:46.800
And it doesn't matter, you know, what the gas prices are. It doesn't matter for everyday Americans.
00:36:54.820
Once again, a form of projection, the very same people who call conservatives fascists and who
00:37:04.520
call the Republican Party fascists are actually perpetrators of the same kind of fascistic
00:37:12.680
policies and behaviors as they say that the right is actually perpetrating. And what I mean by that is
00:37:19.740
the wedding of corporate and government power to impose your will on people. I think people are
00:37:26.620
waking up and have woken up over the past couple of years, but especially when it comes to something
00:37:30.780
like this and realizing just how much power, you know, Davos and the World Economic Forum have that
00:37:37.600
we live in a much less democratic and free republic than we originally thought that a lot of what we
00:37:45.940
think is is freedom and democratic processes are almost just kind of like a mirage to keep us
00:37:52.240
satiated and distracted as the people in charge wield their their power and do what they want to do.
00:37:58.160
I mean, we've talked many times about the Great Reset on this podcast, and I think people are waking up
00:38:02.580
to just how corrupt and just how powerful world leaders are and how they really are working against
00:38:09.020
the very people that they say that we're they're working for in fighting on the behalf of. And I know a lot of
00:38:16.220
people can listen to all of this and get very disheartened because it's overwhelming. I mean, what can we as an
00:38:20.700
average, but what can we do as average people to push back against this corruption to try to expose this
00:38:26.380
corruption? And I have one point and then one question for you on that. We can look at a country like Hungary,
00:38:32.800
who is infiltrated with all kinds of dark money, specifically from George Soros and left-wing groups
00:38:39.720
who call Viktor Orban a, you know, a dictator. And I'm not completely privy to all Hungarian politics. But
00:38:47.940
with the reelection of Viktor Orban, I think that we can see that it is not set in stone that the people
00:38:58.580
who are infusing dark money, the people at the top, the elites at the World Economic Forum can determine
00:39:04.840
the fate of our countries and the fate of our elections. The people do still have power. Our
00:39:10.080
voices still do matter. Our vote still does matter. And we've seen that in several ways over the past
00:39:18.200
couple of years. So I just don't want people to get disheartened. Yes, the people at the top are very
00:39:21.780
corrupt. Yes, there's a lot of powerful people that want to undermine the interests of the United States.
00:39:27.980
That does not mean that the average person doesn't have power when we speak up. So that's one point
00:39:33.100
I want to make the question that I want to ask based on that. Congressional Republicans are saying
00:39:38.560
that they are investigating Hunter Biden and all of this corruption. Do you think that will lead to
00:39:44.320
anything substantive? Do you think that will produce any kind of positive outcome? Do you think that could
00:39:50.980
possibly lead to more transparency? Well, I think that's a difficult question to answer because
00:39:58.560
my kind of take on that is that the evidence is already out there, right, in the form of the hard
00:40:05.280
drive. Frankly, just in the form of public records, right, the fact that Hunter Biden was doing all of
00:40:10.480
these business deals with foreign entities and never registered with the Foreign Agent Registration Act,
00:40:16.380
the same crime that Rudy Giuliani had his apartment raided for in the early morning hours.
00:40:22.360
You know, the same FBI that can't even locate Hunter Biden's laptop, yet they raided incorrectly,
00:40:28.180
might I add, another in another early morning raid, the house of an Alaskan couple
00:40:32.620
to find Nancy Pelosi's laptop. These people never even entered the Capitol.
00:40:37.900
So I think when it comes to kind of the double standard and how there always seems to be a lack
00:40:42.060
of accountability for the members of America's elite, that's why I have some hesitation, because
00:40:47.980
like I said, I think a lot of the evidence is out there. But on the other hand, I mean, the mere fact
00:40:53.580
the mainstream media is actually covering the story, and that there is an appetite, you know,
00:40:59.320
to get Joe Biden removed, because frankly, I think they want Kamala Harris. I think it makes for
00:41:03.680
strange bedfellows, right? Congressional Republicans in the mainstream media, because they ultimately
00:41:09.120
paradoxically have the same goal, which is, I think, to get Joe Biden out, or at least to expose
00:41:15.420
the corruption. So I'm sort of optimistic in that sense. But, you know, I wouldn't necessarily hold
00:41:20.720
my breath. But I do think that people have have a lot of reason to be optimistic more broadly. You
00:41:27.040
know, I think that when we were going through the period of opening up and normalizing trade
00:41:31.100
relations with China, the refrain was always, you know, we're going to change China. But I think it's
00:41:35.940
pretty easy to look around and see that the opposite happened, right? It was China that
00:41:39.640
changed us. And I think it's naive to assume that from all the time that people like Joe Biden spent
00:41:44.640
having their private dinners with Xi Jinping, Hunter Biden, and these backroom business deals,
00:41:49.800
that, you know, the Chinese Communist Party's way of ruling their model of authoritarianism,
00:41:54.820
which I think the kind of Western version of that is, of course, executed by the World Economic
00:41:58.880
Forum, who also works in tandem with the Chinese Communist Party. But it also rubbed off on them,
00:42:03.480
right? I think Joe Biden and Hunter Biden, at the end of the day, are very envious of the power
00:42:07.100
that the Chinese Communist Party has over the people they rule. But I think why we're lucky and
00:42:12.740
why, you know, it's really more important than ever to be speaking out about these stories and
00:42:17.700
sharing them and informing yourself is because we still have freedom of speech, which is something
00:42:21.800
that people in China don't, right? We still ostensibly can talk about these things in our day to day
00:42:27.440
lives. Yes, cancel culture makes it hard. But I think it's our duty to keep talking about these
00:42:32.240
stories and sharing it. And you know what, if this congressional investigation doesn't go
00:42:36.380
anywhere, right? If these House Republicans kind of wimp out, which they've been known to do,
00:42:40.660
call them up and tell them, you know, keep investigating Hunter Biden. Because I think
00:42:45.360
Hunter Biden is, like I said, not just an Achilles heel, but I think kind of an access in between a
00:42:51.820
lot of these ugly, ugly players who've really taken the, I would say, destiny of America and just
00:42:58.680
American society as a whole in a very different kind of statist, corporatist direction, where you
00:43:03.160
see this fusion of big tech, and all these just establishment entities like Ann Applebaum. So I
00:43:08.220
think we really need to keep pushing on the Hunter Biden story. And don't be afraid, even if you get
00:43:12.640
banned, shadow banned, you know, whatever type of ban they're executing these days, just to keep sharing
00:43:17.840
the stories and talking about it, because they want you to stop doing that. They want you to not have
00:43:22.040
hope that we will be able to get past their lies. But you know, the truth, I do think even amidst the
00:43:27.760
censorship and the shadow bans does prevail. Yes, absolutely. And actually, the censorship of the
00:43:35.360
New York Post story in the beginning has made the story now, I think, much more amplified than it
00:43:43.560
would have been without the original censorship, because people are saying, oh, now you're reporting
00:43:48.840
on it. It really was just the timing thing. It wasn't that it was Russian disinformation. It
00:43:54.040
wasn't that it wasn't relevant. It really was that you just didn't want to put the story out before the
00:43:58.500
election. So I actually think even though I think that censorship was egregious, it's actually allowed
00:44:03.740
the story now to be a bigger story than it would have been otherwise. And so you never know, you never
00:44:09.440
know. And that's why it is important, as you said, to consistently tell the truth. Thank you for the
00:44:13.680
role that you play in that. And for your very smart and brave and clear reporting. I really
00:44:18.840
appreciate you taking the time to come on and explain all this today. I know people are going
00:44:23.320
to get a lot out of it. So thank you so much. Thank you so much for having me.