Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 597 ｜ How 'Inclusion' Destroys Countries, Churches & Communities

00:00:00.000 Hey, guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. I hope everyone had a great weekend. This episode

00:00:07.920 is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com slash Allie. That's

00:00:13.180 goodranchers.com slash Allie. All right. Today, we are doing our part two of the traits that sound

00:00:31.460 universally positive, but can actually be very toxic, not just for you individually, but also

00:00:38.500 for society as a whole, especially politically. So last Monday, we talked about the dangers of toxic

00:00:44.960 empathy. And just to summarize that, what I said was that empathy, putting yourself

00:00:50.160 in someone else's shoes, taking on someone's pain can be a good thing, but it can also inhibit you

00:00:57.260 from seeing things as they are, from thinking objectively. And when we don't see things as

00:01:02.680 they are, when we refuse to look at a situation objectively, we aren't able to discern right from

00:01:10.220 wrong or the truth from a lie. Someone's experience or someone's story can be so emotionally captivating

00:01:17.260 to us that we allow that to characterize our understanding of reality as a whole. And that

00:01:23.280 can be very dangerous because data can contradict someone's anecdote or someone's anecdote can be

00:01:29.160 true. And it's not necessarily indicative of a system as a whole. We used race and stories about

00:01:36.220 race and policing and police brutality and narratives about systemic racism as our primary example of

00:01:43.080 that, because of course, no one wants to be a bigot. No one wants to be racist and no one wants to

00:01:48.800 disregard someone's story of experiencing prejudice or discrimination. And so we allow people's emotional

00:01:55.380 responses to the news stories that we see or someone's lived experience to then characterize

00:02:01.480 what we think about the system as a whole or what we think about trends in the United States.

00:02:07.420 They cause us to come to conclusions that aren't necessarily supported by data or by truth.

00:02:13.120 And as people who love justice, as Christians are called to do, Micah 6.8 is a verse that you

00:02:18.920 see talked about a lot by social justice Christians. But if we love justice, it's not just a feeling.

00:02:25.620 It's not empathy. It is actually looking at a situation or a case impartially without showing

00:02:31.440 favoritism to who we think is the weak person or who we think is the great, more powerful,

00:02:36.880 influential person. We have to be able to see things as they are. We have to be able to look at the

00:02:42.360 truth. And empathy can actually inhibit us from doing that. And so we talked about the balance for

00:02:47.960 Christians how we balance compassion, which is important, and true love while never abandoning

00:02:54.080 the truth. For the Christian, truth and love are inextricably intertwined. And so go back and 1.00

00:03:00.660 listen to that episode if you haven't listened to it already. And I promised that we would do a part

00:03:05.880 two. I thought about including this part that we're going to get into today in the last episode,

00:03:12.160 but it was just going to be too long. So empathy and inclusion, I think, are two traits

00:03:17.560 that we have been told are some of the highest values that we should try to aspire to as a country

00:03:26.380 individually and as Christians. We are told in so many words that empathy and inclusion

00:03:32.800 are a fruit of the Spirit. And they are not fruits of the Spirit because inclusion and empathy are not

00:03:39.580 the same thing as kindness. They're not the same thing as faithfulness or gentleness or self-control.

00:03:45.140 They can be subsets of those things, but again, not when they cause us to abandon the objective

00:03:52.160 standards set in God's Word of what is right, what is wrong, what is true, what is false. And so we're

00:03:58.000 going to talk about inclusion today and how inclusion, unfettered inclusion, unconditional inclusion,

00:04:04.420 inclusion coupled with the abandonment of the truth is actually extremely damaging, not just to you

00:04:10.560 as a person individually, but also to our country as a whole. And I'll give you some examples of that.

00:04:16.100 I don't have to tell you who listen to this podcast faithfully or who have been paying attention at all

00:04:22.060 to what's going on in our culture today that some of the most vulnerable groups in our society are

00:04:28.800 under attack. We talk a lot about how children are under attack in a variety of ways. We often say that

00:04:35.240 children are always the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments, whether we're

00:04:42.400 talking about abortion, whether we're talking about gender ideology in transition, whether we're talking

00:04:47.220 about divisive racial indoctrination in schools, whether we're talking about the unscientific

00:04:53.980 COVID lockdowns and mask mandates. Kids are always the unconsenting and the defenseless subjects of

00:05:01.100 progressive social experiments. And they have always been the subject of the predation of pagan and

00:05:07.340 secular society going almost all the way back to the beginning, as we talked about last week in our

00:05:13.580 in the Disney episode, we talked about the dark history of gender grooming, child sacrifice in one

00:05:20.040 way or another has always existed. And when Christianity came around and disrupted the pagan notion 0.83

00:05:30.360 that children and women and slaves are less than the adult free male and are just burdens on society, 0.96

00:05:38.120 when Christianity came in and introduced this concept of radical equality, that we are all

00:05:45.080 made in the image of God, of course, universalizing in Old Testament value of people being made in the

00:05:52.400 image of God and then taking it to the next level, that we are all equally dead in sin apart from Christ,

00:05:57.260 and we are all equally heirs once we are in Christ by grace through faith. That was a radical

00:06:05.420 countercultural notion. And we can't even begin to quantify how it has changed the course of history

00:06:13.100 and it has shaped cultures, especially Western cultures. I mean, the idea of the Imago Dei,

00:06:19.580 the idea of all of us needing salvation through Christ, that is what has laid the foundation of every

00:06:25.880 truly good and truly just movement for the equal rights of people, whether it's the abolition of slavery

00:06:33.500 or whether we are fighting for the abolition of abortion. Let's not try to separate those movements

00:06:39.420 from the gospel because that is what has motivated it. So Christianity has always been radically 0.61

00:06:45.440 countercultural in our view of human beings and in particular in our view of women and children.

00:06:52.720 We've talked about before how Ephesians 5, which contains passages that feminists really are angry 0.71

00:07:00.280 about, that wives should submit to their husbands as to the Lord, but that wasn't the radical part of

00:07:07.340 Ephesians 5 at the time that Ephesians was written. The radical part of that passage was not that wives

00:07:13.540 should submit to their husbands, which was normal at the time in that wives not just had to submit to 0.95

00:07:19.740 their husbands, but women had to also just submit to men in general. The radical part, the countercultural

00:07:25.760 part of Ephesians 5 was that husbands were to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave

00:07:33.480 himself up for her. So men, husbands were called to the kind of self-sacrifice, this kind of self-emptying,

00:07:42.300 the self-denial that was really only expected of women and children, the elderly and slaves at the

00:07:50.620 time. Men, the adult free male, which was seen as the center of society in a society that was kind of

00:07:58.560 seen in concentric circles and as men being the most important. They were told in scripture that they are

00:08:06.480 to love their wives in a self-sacrificial and humble way, love them so much that it was supposed

00:08:14.620 to emulate how Christ loved his church. Christ died for the church. That was the radical part at the

00:08:20.900 time. There's another part of this segment of Ephesians that says, yes, that children are supposed

00:08:28.360 to obey their parents, which that wasn't the radical part. The radical part back then would have been

00:08:34.260 that fathers were asked, were told not to provoke their children to anger, were called through

00:08:41.980 gentleness in love of their child. And so again, we see how this concept of radical equality, that

00:08:47.680 all people are dignified because they are made in the image of God, and then all Christians are equal

00:08:54.280 under Christ. That doesn't do away with all hierarchies as we see as Ephesians 5 describes marriage,

00:09:00.560 but it does introduce new requirements for that hierarchy. It does introduce a demand to love and

00:09:09.780 a demand of self-sacrifice even for the person who is in charge, even for the person who is the head of

00:09:15.200 the family, which is the husband. And so Christianity has been radical when it comes to how the world views

00:09:23.260 women and children. At her best, the church has been a refuge for women and children, and we are still

00:09:30.140 called to that. We are still called to that today. And my argument, how this ties into what we're

00:09:35.180 talking about, is that unfettered and unbiblical empathy and inclusion has actually been harmful to

00:09:44.960 these categories of people, to the most vulnerable. I know that we say we want to be inclusive and we want

00:09:50.700 to be empathetic towards the most vulnerable, but I want to explain to you today, just as I did in

00:09:55.660 the last episode about empathy, how it is actually harming these people and how it is actually

00:10:02.200 inhibiting our ability to carry out justice for the most vulnerable people in our society,

00:10:08.920 specifically, as we'll talk about today, women and children. So I just, I know that was kind of an

00:10:14.040 aside. I wanted to set this up biblically and kind of give us some historical context for why this stuff

00:10:20.060 matters. So let's talk specifically about how women are kind of under attack today, actually 0.99

00:10:28.880 because of empathy and inclusion. So when it comes to women, we're not just facing our erasure

00:10:33.100 because of inclusion, because you have to include all people by saying things like chest feeding and

00:10:38.780 birthing people, but also like we are dealing with women as a whole mistreatment and oppression that

00:10:43.940 comes from that erasure. So what I mean is we're not just getting rid of the word woman in feminine

00:10:49.100 terms in our language, pregnant people, people with uteruses, chest feeding. I mean, that's truly

00:10:54.520 so objectifying and offensive by the same people who say you can't reduce a woman down to her biological

00:11:00.760 functions or down to her body parts. That's not what, that's not what makes a woman. Well, those are the 1.00

00:11:06.960 same people that are using disgusting terms like people with a uterus. Really? I mean, that really is 0.96

00:11:13.520 like newspeak. If you have ever read 1984, they expand the language in 1984 while also reducing

00:11:24.900 our concepts down to like the crudest terms. And so your mind is actually limited in what it is able

00:11:35.040 to comprehend and what it actually knows. That's something that happens in 1984 and that's certainly

00:11:40.720 happening now. People with uteruses. There used to be one word for that. And now we've expanded it to

00:11:49.340 actually shrink our consciousness and our understanding of humanity. NPR actually recently

00:11:55.900 announced its official editorial position that is that they will use the term pregnant people instead

00:12:02.540 of pregnant women. And that in itself is absurd and troubling, but it's worse than rhetorical erasure.

00:12:08.940 It's worse than words. There are tangible real life consequences to this erasure. And NPR said that

00:12:16.460 they were doing this in the name of inclusion. That was the justification that they gave in this

00:12:20.960 long article that said the reason that we're talking about pregnant people and the reason that,

00:12:25.140 you know, we're not going to say pregnant women anymore is because of inclusion. When really like

00:12:30.020 you are excluding people using that language because women don't feel like we are covered by that. 0.84

00:12:36.500 Like we have, I mean, women have worked really hard to show that, hey, women give so much value to 1.00

00:12:43.360 society that burying a child and raising children is not a less than responsibility. It's not a less

00:12:49.680 than role in society. It's really important. And Christianity, like I said, has helped in society's

00:12:57.260 understanding of just how important that is and just how important women are. And now we don't even get 1.00

00:13:02.680 our own word. Language changes never happened in a vacuum and they never happen without consequence.

00:13:09.820 That's something that the left understands. They are excellent at capturing the culture through

00:13:14.580 changes in language. Abortion isn't baby murder. It's just reproductive health. It's just women's 1.00

00:13:19.560 rights. And who's against women's rights? Soft on crime policies aren't lawlessness and anarchy and 1.00

00:13:24.420 injustice. They're actually criminal justice. And saying pregnant people is an erasure. It's actually

00:13:30.860 inclusion. But here's the deal. Inclusion of one group sometimes means the exclusion of another group

00:13:38.900 or at least the exclusion of the rights or safety of another. Not always, but sometimes. And in the case

00:13:45.460 of men and women or men identifying as women and including them in women's groups, that is the case.

00:13:50.740 So think about this in a non-political sense. If you included your entire neighborhood into your home,

00:13:56.920 your entire community to live there, and you just decided people can come in and out as they please,

00:14:03.240 you would be excluding you and your children's right to a safe home or ability to have a safe home

00:14:08.160 with enough resources for you. You can't have both. You can either have the entire neighborhood or

00:14:13.160 community living in your house, or you can have a calm, safe, roomy home for you and your family.

00:14:18.920 You can't have both. You might be able to include some people from your community and still have a safe

00:14:23.320 and roomy home for your family. But you can't include everyone in your community and still

00:14:27.400 accomplish that. You are excluding the ability of your children to be able to have a safe environment,

00:14:32.680 a comfortable environment in which they can live and grow. This is why inclusion in and of itself

00:14:38.080 is not a virtue. Inclusion by itself in and of itself is not a virtue. It is not a goal. It is not a good

00:14:45.500 aim of a country, a company, a team, or anything. Colleges don't include everyone. Athletic teams,

00:14:53.480 Broadway casts, marriages, homes do not include everyone. And if they do, they actually cease to

00:14:59.220 exist because standards and boundaries and definitions is actually what makes them what they

00:15:04.920 are. They cannot be, without some kind of exclusion, what they were meant to be. They cannot perform

00:15:12.080 their function. So if a cast of a movie included everyone that tried out, included people that

00:15:18.160 couldn't act, it would be a bad movie. No one would want to see it. And it wouldn't deliver what it was

00:15:23.480 meant to deliver. It wouldn't be able to function the way it's supposed to function. Every entity must

00:15:28.920 exclude because every entity has standards. It has to, to maintain the integrity of the, of the function

00:15:38.380 and the purpose of the entity. That means that every entity must discriminate. That is a word that we

00:15:47.720 are told is universally negative, that you never want to be discriminatory, but no one actually

00:15:52.840 believes that. You have to be discriminatory. There are people that you can't hire for your company.

00:15:58.760 You can't choose everyone. There are people that you can't pick for your team. There are people that

00:16:03.600 you wouldn't choose to come into your house. You discriminate against people by excluding them.

00:16:10.120 Exclusion and discrimination have, as I said, negative connotations in our world today.

00:16:16.120 And inclusion and equality have universally positive connotations. But the truth is,

00:16:21.140 any entity will fail if they are endlessly inclusive and ensure everyone has equal outcomes.

00:16:26.220 So no discrimination. The best entities exclude and discriminate against those that would threaten 0.92

00:16:31.640 the function, the safety, and the goals of their organization or their country or whatever it is.

00:16:37.320 Teams discriminate against players that aren't good enough by excluding them from the roster.

00:16:41.980 You discriminated against other guys before you met your husband by excluding them from your list

00:16:46.800 of marriage prospects. Businesses discriminate against people outside of their company by excluding

00:16:54.180 them from employment and maybe within their company by excluding them from promotion.

00:16:58.360 Thus, the athletes, the guys in your life, the potential employees, and the employees in your company

00:17:05.540 did not enjoy equality. They didn't enjoy equal outcomes. They were discriminated against.

00:17:11.220 They may have been offered equal opportunity, but they weren't given equal outcomes.

00:17:16.780 Exclusion and discrimination are a necessary part of our lives because they protect the form and 0.81

00:17:22.380 function of organizations and entities. If you include everyone who wants to come to America,

00:17:28.020 into the country, we cease to be a country. We cease to be a sovereign nation. We don't have borders. 0.78

00:17:33.280 We don't have citizenship, which means there are no rights that come from citizenship, which means

00:17:38.280 citizens have no voting power, which means we have no legitimate elected, legitimately elected governing

00:17:43.040 body, which means we have no legitimate laws and no legitimate protection. We become a place of

00:17:48.300 lawlessness ruled by anarchy where no one is protected. And the most vulnerable women, children,

00:17:53.320 the elderly, the poor, the disabled are on the chopping block. If you include every faith into 0.98

00:17:59.260 Christianity, every doctrine into Christianity, it is no longer Christianity. John 14, 6, Jesus says,

00:18:05.160 I'm the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me, not through Buddha

00:18:09.340 or Muhammad or yourself or Marianne Williamson, through Christ. Christianity is an inclusive religion

00:18:15.660 in that it doesn't matter what you've done, what your nationality is, where you come from, how rich you are,

00:18:20.740 how smart you are, but it's exclusive in the sense that there is one way and a one way only to be

00:18:27.920 forgiven of your sins and reconciled to God, and that is by grace through faith in Christ.

00:18:32.160 If Jesus isn't the only way to God, Christianity ceases to be Christianity. It's just, I don't know,

00:18:37.480 some form of agnosticism or universalism. So it is with almost everything. There must be standards.

00:18:43.400 There must be limits. There must be definitions. There must be boundaries. And most people seem to

00:18:49.320 understand that. So most people understand what we're talking about in the necessity of exclusion

00:19:00.060 and discrimination. And I'll talk about the different kinds of exclusion and discrimination

00:19:04.820 in a minute, because I know that that might be what you're thinking. Well, you know, some

00:19:09.180 discrimination and exclusion is wrong. And obviously, I agree with you. We'll get to that difference in

00:19:12.940 just a second. But when we say that discrimination and exclusion are universally objectively bad,

00:19:19.360 we're actually employing some cognitive dissonance there, because most people understand this when it

00:19:23.960 comes to companies or colleges or castes. And at one point, not too long ago, we generally agreed

00:19:32.080 that discrimination and exclusion is acceptable as long as it is on merit, or in the case of religious

00:19:38.840 organizations because of a biological or theological or moral belief. But progressivism, the current

00:19:46.260 left doesn't really seem to believe that anymore. Progressivism has a very, in my opinion, wonky view

00:19:53.660 of inclusion. Progressivism in the United States, as much as they say, therefore, inclusion and equality

00:19:59.960 and anti-discrimination, they're actually not. What they mean by inclusion is greater representation of

00:20:06.820 the people that they deem marginalized to the exclusion of everyone else. And so that's another

00:20:14.060 that's another reason why we should be really careful to say, oh, yeah, we want to be inclusive,

00:20:18.980 because what progressives mean by inclusive is actually not just inclusive. We should include

00:20:24.640 everyone. They don't mean that we should include Christians or we should include conservatives or we

00:20:28.980 should include heterodox viewpoints. They mean they want to include their groups to the exclusion of

00:20:35.300 other groups. And so they actually understand, progressives actually understand, that inclusion

00:20:39.700 necessarily typically means the exclusion of other groups. That's why conservatives, Christians, 0.99

00:20:45.680 can't be tricked by that word because it's not entirely innocuous. For example, affirmative action

00:20:52.140 policies in academia, in the government, or in corporate America discriminate against, exclude whites and

00:20:58.840 Asians in favor of black Americans. In fact, every institutionalized form of discrimination today

00:21:04.300 actually cuts in favor of black Americans and against white and Asian Americans. That's a fact. 0.92

00:21:09.600 You cannot find me an equity or an inclusion policy or program that does not explicitly seek to elevate

00:21:15.560 black people, even if that means excluding equally qualified or more qualified white and Asian

00:21:21.900 candidates. That's been true for years. That's not just since George Floyd. Like that's been true for 0.52

00:21:25.940 decades in the United States. There's actually a case before the Supreme Court right now about this

00:21:30.900 regarding discrimination by colleges against whites and Asians. I think it's going to be decided by the

00:21:36.200 Supreme Court this summer. Progressives are also okay with inclusive policies that exclude the rights of

00:21:43.500 those that they deem less important or that they view with hostility. The Equality Act is a great example of

00:21:50.240 that. Churches and religious schools would be forced to include employees whose sexuality or so-called 0.90

00:21:56.060 gender identity is against their faith is against their faith's teachings to the exclusion of these 1.00

00:22:01.160 organizations' rights to practice their religion sincerely. So Christian hospitals would be forced to

00:22:06.220 include abortions and sex change surgeries probably under the Equality Act. But what is really meant when people

00:22:15.180 say that we should be for inclusion and against discrimination, like in the most truly innocent and sincere

00:22:24.160 way, what most people mean, I'm not talking about a lot of people on the left, I'm not talking about

00:22:30.920 progressive ideologues, but I think, you know, just the average, moderate, center-left, center-right,

00:22:38.180 and conservative American, when they're saying we're for inclusion and against discrimination,

00:22:43.380 typically what we mean is that we should include people of all races and sexual orientations and gender

00:22:52.080 identities and disabilities and so on, insofar as we are judging everyone by the same standards of merit.

00:23:04.500 So typically what is meant is that we shouldn't discriminate, we shouldn't discriminate against them

00:23:09.560 because of things they cannot control, they should all be judged by the same standard, which is the

00:23:14.800 qualifications with the abilities that they bring to the table. But it's important to understand there are

00:23:20.160 different kinds of discrimination. And Thomas Sowell talks about this in his book, Discrimination and

00:23:25.740 Disparities. There's Discrimination 1, Discrimination 2. There's a certain kind of discrimination that we

00:23:30.340 just talked about, that everyone discriminates, every entity has to discriminate against people,

00:23:35.580 you have to exclude people. Because you have standards, some people don't meet those standards,

00:23:39.780 and so you don't hire those people, you don't include those people. And then there's the discrimination

00:23:44.120 that most people, most sane people are against, which is you should not discriminate against

00:23:49.220 someone because of their immutable characteristics. Unless, again, it's a Christian or religious 1.00

00:23:53.540 organization that says, well, you don't live in a way that aligns with our faith, and so we are going

00:23:58.400 to exclude you because of that, which actually would be some kind of qualification. So most people are

00:24:04.660 against that kind of discrimination. Like if you polled people on the left and the right, they would agree

00:24:10.320 that you shouldn't discriminate against a person for a job because of their immutable characteristics.

00:24:14.360 Sure, we can exclude people based on, you know, marital qualifications, but we shouldn't exclude someone

00:24:19.180 based on something that they can't control. Most people would probably even say, you shouldn't cease to be

00:24:22.980 friends with someone because of an innate characteristic. Most people would say, when it comes to marriage,

00:24:27.160 you shouldn't exclude someone as a prospect because of their race or disability. So most people, regardless

00:24:32.960 of political affiliation, would agree with this, or so it would seem.

00:24:38.100 However, as we've already touched on, when we talked about affirmative action and the kind of inclusion

00:24:42.800 exclusion that the left really means when they use these terms, the left and the right do not agree

00:24:47.840 on who should be discriminated against and how, because progressives are absolutely for racial

00:24:53.320 discrimination, as we just talked about, as long as the discrimination cuts in favor of Black Americans

00:24:58.020 and against whites and Asians, which is exactly what every single affirmative action policy does.

00:25:06.020 Progressives will apply different lower standards for Black people for the sake of inclusion,

00:25:12.800 inclusion and equity, even if it means that you are excluding other people who reach higher

00:25:21.740 standards. And so it is also, so is this kind of dissonance, this kind of hypocrisy, this kind of

00:25:29.140 duplicitousness from the left when it comes to inclusion. So it is when it comes to the inclusion of

00:25:35.480 so-called transgender people into sex-specific spaces. When a man who calls himself a woman, 0.60

00:25:42.280 a woman who gets to swim against women, that is excluding the right of a young woman to a fair 1.00

00:25:49.420 competition. Because as we've talked about so many times, men, regardless of their hormone therapy,

00:25:56.540 regardless of the length of their hair or the nail polish they wear, or the name they decide to be

00:26:02.420 called by, have a larger heart. They have greater lung capacity. They have greater bone density,

00:26:07.380 more muscle mass than women, which translates into even amateur male athletes being faster and stronger

00:26:14.000 than elite male athletes. Study after study proves this. No amount of propaganda is ever going to change

00:26:18.640 it. As I like to say, human nature, truth in general, is like a beach ball. And ideologues,

00:26:24.440 activists, crazy people can keep trying to push that beach ball underwater. It's going to eventually 0.99

00:26:30.260 pop back up. So by including a man in women's sports, you've excluded a woman's ability to compete 1.00

00:26:38.580 fairly. When you include a man in a woman's locker room or bathroom, you've excluded a woman's right 0.98

00:26:43.660 to not have to see or be seen by or be next to a naked man. We used to think that a woman had a right 1.00

00:26:51.060 not to be sexually harassed. And now apparently women don't have that right. And you hear there are 1.00

00:26:58.080 activists. They're anti-trans or I don't know if it's anti-trans. I guess it's more just like pro

00:27:03.380 sex protected spaces activists who identify as lesbians who often call out these pro-transgender

00:27:12.700 LGBTQ groups that say that it is bigotry for a lesbian not to want to date or be with a man who

00:27:23.760 identifies as a woman, that that's some form of bigotry. And so you're supposed to, that's another 0.99

00:27:31.520 thing. Or let's just use like a person who is attracted to the opposite sex. If you are to

00:27:39.760 include, if it is inclusive to include so-called transgender people in your dating pool, then that

00:27:48.240 means that you are no longer heterosexual because you are being forced for the sake of empathy and

00:27:54.740 inclusion or you are being pressured for the sake of empathy and inclusion to date a woman who identifies

00:28:02.940 as a man if you are a woman. And we are told that that is what you have to do in order to be inclusive

00:28:09.600 and empathetic. You are excluding your right, your ability to actually be with someone that you are

00:28:17.880 attracted to and you cease to be the thing that you are. You see the problem with unconditional and

00:28:24.400 unfettered inclusion that it in itself is not a value. And that's what happens when for the sake of

00:28:29.880 inclusion, you are erasing the biological distinctions of male and female. When you refuse, for example, to say

00:28:35.320 that only women, exclusively women, have uteruses and can't give birth and only men, exclusively men, 0.99

00:28:41.560 have testicles and you instead say, well, actually women can have a penis and men can give birth, 1.00

00:28:48.280 then you no longer have any justification for the separation or the special protection of the sexes. 0.99

00:28:55.000 That's a problem, not just when it comes to female athletics, not just when it comes to female locker 1.00

00:28:59.720 rooms and bathrooms, although those spaces are really important, but also in domestic abuse shelters

00:29:04.680 where women should be protected against men. Yes, even men who say that they are women and they

00:29:11.320 need to be protected in prisons right now in states like Washington, in Oregon, in California. I'm pretty

00:29:18.740 sure this is true in Canada. I'd be shocked if it weren't that a man who identifies as a woman, even if 0.93

00:29:24.440 he has a history of domestic violence, even if he has a history of pedophilia, the worst kinds of sexual 0.96

00:29:29.560 predation and abuse that you can possibly think of. If he says that he is a man, there is no 0.61

00:29:34.520 hormone requirement, there is no kind of scientific requirement or surgery requirement or anything

00:29:40.200 for that man to then be transferred to a woman's prison just because he says he's a woman. 1.00

00:29:45.040 That's what postmodernism does. Postmodernism, which says there really is no truth except for

00:29:49.380 your truth, except for what you decide is true. There is no objective reality. There is no science

00:29:55.800 that can be easily comprehended. Everything is something that is kind of intangible and only

00:30:02.220 these activist ideological academics can really tell you what's true. And these ideological activist

00:30:09.260 academics who have pointless degrees in gender studies, they are saying with their fake authority

00:30:17.640 that for a man to be a woman, all he has to do is say that he's a woman. That's the problem 0.96

00:30:22.360 with credentialism. That is the problem with postmodernism. And that is, of course, in essence,

00:30:29.700 a product of godlessness because God is the source of all truth. And scripture tells us who he made us

00:30:38.060 as, which is male and female. So of course, when you abandon God, you're going to end up abandoning

00:30:42.020 truth. Even the most obvious truth that there is a separation and distinction, an important distinction

00:30:47.100 between men and women and women because we are the weaker sex. I know that some people say this is

00:30:53.540 internalized misogyny or this is whatever it is. This is some kind of sexism to say women are 1.00

00:31:02.620 physically weaker. On average, the vast majority of us are shorter and smaller and weaker. We have

00:31:08.820 smaller bones. We have less muscle mass. We don't have as much aggression because we don't have as much

00:31:14.320 testosterone. We are weaker and we are subject to male predation. That's why the vast majority of

00:31:22.300 domestic abuse victims of rape victims are women. And the vast majority of people who are perpetrating

00:31:29.160 those crimes are men. That's not a coincidence. That's not societal conditioning. That's not some

00:31:34.800 kind of stereotype. That's been true for all of human history. And yet that is the consequence of

00:31:43.660 unfettered inclusion. Unfettered inclusion means that you are unable to create safe spaces,

00:31:52.080 something that I thought the left cared about, but they're really only talking about the danger of

00:31:56.300 hurt feelings. They're not talking about the danger of hurt bodies of women who are forced into prisons

00:32:01.820 with men who identify as women. Unfettered inclusion excludes our ability to protect the most vulnerable,

00:32:10.400 to protect women and children. And that is why, once again, the church should be not just a refuge for

00:32:19.620 these women and children, but a beacon of light and of clarity. That's actually why it matters so much,

00:32:27.540 guys, that our language is clear, that we don't give in on the pronoun stuff, that we refuse to call a man

00:32:34.480 she or her, that we refuse to call a woman he or him, even if that is their identity, because we deny

00:32:41.740 that it is possible to identify as something other than what the body that God gave you says that you

00:32:48.900 are. There is no biblical or scientific truly category of gender identity as something that is a

00:32:55.380 departure or detached from sex. And so because we believe that God is good, because we believe that

00:33:02.980 he is the creator of the universe and he is the authority over right and wrong, what's good and

00:33:08.660 what's bad, what's true and what's false, because we believe the first chapter of the Bible, that God

00:33:14.060 made us in his image, male and female, because we believe that and we know that he is love, 1 John 4, 8,

00:33:23.000 therefore everything that he says, everything that he designs, everything that he defines, everything

00:33:27.800 that he includes or excludes is all done and said from love, because we know that and we know therefore

00:33:34.860 that we cannot out-love God, we cannot out-truth God, we cannot out-smart God, we cannot out-justice

00:33:41.120 God. It is the most loving thing that we can do to agree with him. Therefore, the most loving thing

00:33:46.180 that we can do is affirm that God made us male and female, not just because of all of the very tangible

00:33:52.500 and physical and psychological consequences that this ideology is placing on young people,

00:33:57.820 but also just because it's obedience. What does Jesus say loving God looks like? Obeying

00:34:03.500 his commandments. It's not unfettered inclusion. It's not unconditional empathy. It is not the

00:34:09.860 abandonment of truth because you want to make someone feel comfortable. I'm not saying we should

00:34:14.020 be unnecessarily harsh or brutal in our language. I'm not saying that, but I am saying that the truth

00:34:19.780 cannot be extracted from biblical love. What does 1 Corinthians 13 say? As we talked about last week,

00:34:28.780 love, biblical love, the only true kind of love that exists, rejoices in the truth. It doesn't

00:34:33.820 rejoice in wrongdoing. It rejoices with the truth. And we've also talked about, which we won't get into

00:34:39.860 right now, the dark roots, the demonic history of this gender ideology that I think that if we knew 0.99

00:34:46.460 the connections, this ideology and the people who started this ideology, the people that were on the

00:34:51.960 front lines of this activism, if we knew the true nefarious motivations and the perversion that is

00:34:58.320 innate in this ideology, we would realize that the people who are a part of it today, they have actually

00:35:05.560 fallen prey to its predation. And the most loving thing that we can do if we want to be lovers of

00:35:11.940 justice, lovers of true liberation, liberation from sin, is speak the truth clearly in love.

00:35:18.240 The church has always been, at her best, a refuge for the most vulnerable, which throughout history

00:35:24.600 has been mostly women and children. And we're still seeing that today in new ways. We're seeing new

00:35:31.660 forms of child sacrifice. We're seeing new forms of female subjugation. And so the church needs to 0.97

00:35:37.900 take up the torch that has always taken up, that it has always been our role to be a beacon of truth,

00:35:46.100 to be a lighthouse in the storm, to be a refuge of clarity. The world is so confusing and chaotic

00:35:52.380 and turbulent. Let us be a refuge of clarity for people who are confused. You cannot do that unless

00:35:58.940 you are speaking clearly. Do not fall into the trap of saying, well, we just have to be inclusive

00:36:04.560 and loving or inclusive and empathetic. We should be loving, truly biblically loving.

00:36:10.260 But don't buy into the trap that true biblical love means unfettered, unconditional, worldly

00:36:15.120 inclusion and empathy because it doesn't. These things can actually be inhibitors of true biblical

00:36:21.340 love of the most vulnerable. Okay, guys, that's all we've got for today. Thank you so much for

00:36:29.340 listening. As usual, we will be back here tomorrow with a fun Q&A that I know that you guys are going

00:36:37.260 to love. If you love this podcast, please leave us a five star review. Subscribe on YouTube as well.

00:36:44.140 And we will see you guys back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 11, 2022

Ep 597 ｜ How 'Inclusion' Destroys Countries, Churches & Communities

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