Ep 615 ｜ How to Respond to Pro-Abortion Propaganda & Vitriol ｜ Guest： Alison Centofante
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1 hour and 6 minutes
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190.6309
Summary
Allison Cintifonte talks about her transition from being a mom of one to being a Mom of two, her birth story, and her advice for new moms and moms of little ones. She also talks about the fear and intimidation tactics being used by the pro-abortion left to silence pro-lifers.
Transcript
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Okay guys, I have a fun and uplifting and encouraging and equipping episode for you
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today and I'm talking to my friend Allison Cintifonte.
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She has about a month old and so we are going to talk about her transition from being a
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She's going to tell us a little bit about her birth story and just some advice for new moms
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But we are mostly going to be talking about what is happening right now in the abortion
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We are going to talk about the reaction, the protest, the vitriol that we are seeing from
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the pro-abortion slash quote unquote pro-choice left in regard to the possibility of Roe v.
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If you want more information about what exactly happened there with the leak of the draft and
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all that, we'll link the previous episode on that so you can get up to date.
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She's going to give us some talking points, some advice on how to engage with people from
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The fact of the matter is, is that there's a lot going on right now.
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There is a lot of hatred, a lot of anger, a lot of myths and disinformation, a lot of
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I know you guys as pro-lifers are feeling overwhelmed online.
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I've talked to some of you who have been the only one at work where you are hearing the
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women that you work with talk about how important abortion access is and how dangerous
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And you've been afraid you've been afraid to speak up, which is understandable.
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But that is exactly what the pro-abortion side wants.
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They are using, as we will talk about today, really scary intimidation tactics to try to
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There is this radical group called Jane's Revenge that told to send a communication to
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someone named Robert Evans of iHeartMedia and basically said that anti-choice establishments,
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fake clinics is what they call pro-life clinics, and anti-choice groups have a 30-day ultimatum
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before they get attacked, I guess, which is really disturbing.
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And we're going to talk about a little bit what that has looked like over the past few
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These pro-life clinics and centers have unfortunately been targeted.
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The babies in the womb who are being slaughtered, 2,000 of them on a daily basis, they don't have
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They don't have a way to advocate for their own rights.
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And as you'll hear us talk about today, we are also advocating for the moms in this.
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So you guys know I'm super passionate about this.
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And I hope that you leave this feeling empowered because of what Allison is going to talk to us
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about and feeling encouraged and trusting the fact that if God is for us, who can be against
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us and that we serve a very powerful God and that the light does have the power to push back
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For those who may not follow you on Instagram, who may not be familiar, can you tell everyone
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I have been working in the pro-life movement for over a decade and have had the privilege
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of working at great organizations, legal organizations in the pro-life movement, media, PR.
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And now I am running my own kind of consulting company and working with other pro-life groups
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I love figuring out how to take this message of life and make it make sense to people from,
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you know, your mom, my mom at home to like legislators.
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This is the biggest, you know, human rights abuse of our time.
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So it's been a very busy week, even though I have like a 25-day-old baby.
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We're going to talk about the reaction and what you think it means.
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You do do amazing work, especially as far as messaging and communication goes,
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which is like a huge, huge chunk of the battle is making our message clear and also compelling.
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And you have done a lot to advance that cause in that arena.
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I want to talk first, though, about just like mom stuff and just to hear how you're doing.
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You said that you have a 25-day-old and then your oldest is how old?
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So tell me, tell us about the transition from one to two.
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Most people listening to this audience or listening to this podcast are moms, and so they get it,
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and they, I'm sure, would love to hear your experience.
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No, it's so fun being in like the mom motherhood club, right?
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Like all of a sudden you're thrown in and it's like, okay, let me tell you everything.
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One to two has been interesting, but I feel like God gives you like a supernatural strength.
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Um, if you had told me like we could do what we do on little sleep, uh, I wouldn't believe
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you, but you know, you just, you know, God gives you strength.
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Cause I think that so often as moms, it's easy to like vent on the bad.
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I, I realized it's, it's like war zone mentality, right?
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Like if you meet another mom that's in the foxhole, you're like, this is it.
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Like you're doing a great job, but like, this is hard.
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But I never want, you know, someone who's not in the foxhole, like a young girl who's
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not married yet, doesn't have a kid to be freaked out by it.
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Um, I still remember being at my first pro-life event in DC and there was a mom there with
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You know, I didn't know what to ask as a single girl.
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And I just was like, oh my gosh, that's the first time someone's given me like a really
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positive reaction versus this terrible, like sleep while you can and then like negative
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So, um, it's, I just want to focus on the good.
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I know that it's a season, you know, like it's not going to be forever.
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And so, um, thankfully I have little amazing women like you and the foxhole with me when,
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when it gets tough and when ear infections come, but like at the same time, it's the
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most beautiful, happy, I mean, it brings you to tears.
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Like some of these moments you get to experience as a mom.
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I do think that the prevailing message, obviously this is something that we talk about on this
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podcast a lot, this idea of toxic mommy culture and how I think that there are just
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a lot of women, unfortunately on social media with a lot of influence who for likes and
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affirmation joke, quote unquote, about how terrible being a mom is and what brats and
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But then they'll kind of caveat it by saying, oh, but you know, I love them.
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But it seems like the prevailing message is that motherhood really steals your identity
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and steals your purpose and steals your fulfillment, that it's like a break from who you really
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are and that you have to, you're basically like a victim of motherhood when really it
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should be the opposite prevailing message that motherhood is fun.
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Motherhood, once you become a mom, is who you are.
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It's not just like this break from your identity and purpose.
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It also, caveat, it also is hard, but it's like the opposite.
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It's like the prevailing message is that it's really hard, but sometimes it's fun and you
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Really, the dominant message should be that it's awesome.
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You love your kids so much and also it can be hard, but it's a good hard.
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In the same way that when you stretch and you really need to stretch and it hurts, but it's
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a different kind of hurt from an injury, it's a good kind of hurt.
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Stretching your muscles is a good kind of pain.
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It's a good kind of hurt and you're absolutely right.
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The messaging, the PR around motherhood on social media is really bad and I feel like that
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could contribute to a lot of the problems that we're seeing.
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Yeah, and you know, when I had Grace, I kind of, at a late night nursing session, just asked
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a bunch of my followers like, girls, what are you afraid of in pregnancy?
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And so many girls were like, I'm afraid of not being able to travel anymore.
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I'm afraid of, you know, not getting to pursue my career.
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Like there was so much fear and it made me realize like, and I felt this too a little
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Oh my gosh, even though I'm pro-life, even though I love the Lord and I know that I want to
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have kids and I want to have a family one day, that doesn't mean that I didn't grow up
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in a time where we're constantly getting this message of, you know, open any magazine at
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And, and these messages still permeated my mind and my spirit so that when I even wasn't
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a great, you know, married, happy, ready, I was freaking out.
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And so it's normal for us as women, even though you're pro-life and you're believers to kind
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We've grown up in a time where, like you said, everyone is, is giving you this negative message
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and it just, it took me some prayer and some time to connect my head and my heart.
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And God had to kind of really work in me to go, Alison, like, this is my created order.
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And if I say it's good, why, why would you not want to participate in it?
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Why would you not want to be a part of this great commission of creating?
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Um, and that I've carried that into pregnancy and to motherhood of like, I'm on a commission
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And it's like this really neat partnership that men don't get to do.
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And you know, I want to, I want to honor that, that that's a big role.
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And, um, just like you said, you're stretching new muscles, but those muscles, I'm more confident.
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Also all you young women listening that are like in your twenties, I am the third thirties
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I'm more confident now than I've ever been in my twenties.
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I, I, I love being a mom and, um, talking to other moms, but, um, yeah, there's a, there's
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also a book I'm flipping through called mom genes.
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It's how your body and your mind changes in pregnancy and motherhood and creates this unique
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Um, but it just kind of reaffirms the beautiful, unique moment of pregnancy and motherhood.
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There's just obviously such an intention there in the creation between mom and child and everything
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Um, and then just the connections that are established and already like the formation
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of a child psychology and personality and brain, all of that stuff happens inside the womb, which
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kind of connects to everything that we're about to talk about.
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But first, before, before we get into that, if you are willing, people love just in general,
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but I would say probably my audience in particular, people love a good birth story.
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And you and I have talked about it a little bit.
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You can give as much or as little detail as you want, um, in your last birth.
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But can you tell us just like a little bit about how that went?
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And a little bit just about how postpartum has gone.
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And okay, before anyone stops listening, cause I hate birth stories.
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I have no desire to hear about the scariest moment or what went wrong.
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Some don't like, well, if you want to fast forward, y'all can definitely fast forward.
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Like if you're someone who is about to give birth for the first time and you don't want
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to think about like all of the possible outcomes, that's fine.
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But at the same time, I like them because I think that they're, they're educational and you
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And so I always think it's comforting to hear someone else's, like someone else's
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scenario and that they did come out the other side.
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Like it's always, I think it's comforting to think of the worst case scenario and to
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think, okay, well that person went through that and they're okay.
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And I, and that's how I'm going to color it too, because I actually wish I listened to
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I really wasn't ready for anything to go outside of what I expected.
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But, um, so with my first, um, I kind of had a moment of, of fear where she had the
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umbilical cord wrapped around her neck when she was born.
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And so they had to bring in the NICU and the river and it all took like a minute or
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two, but it felt very long and that was a little scary.
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And so, um, I remember in that moment being like, God, like I want to hear her cry.
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Cause I had a couple of names, but I was like, God, give me like, give me grace.
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Um, and then with hope, um, I know I'm building out a Christmas card here.
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Um, she was born on April 13th and we, I went pretty far.
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I was 40 weeks and five days and went in and had to advocate for myself.
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They were telling me, Allie, that she was nine pounds, eight ounces.
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And for reference, for everyone who doesn't know, Alison is very petite.
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I'm like five, two, um, for reference, grace was my first was five pounds, six ounces.
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So, um, we go in and, um, everything seems to be going well, but right.
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You know, any mom that has had a baby knows things can be really common.
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And then all of a sudden they're like, all right, you really need to push.
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And, um, I was pushing really hard and they said that her umbilical cord had torn at some
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And so all of a sudden I just had these nurses really pushing down on my stomach to help get
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Um, respect to anyone who doesn't, but, um, they are, you're getting her out.
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Like all of a sudden you're told to do something your body's never done.
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This is actually the first time I'm sharing this with anyone.
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Do I want, if she's not breathing and I don't get to leave with her, do I want to see, do
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And, um, my husband was calm, but I could see he's crying, but like a prayerful cry,
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And I just remember saying to God, like, Lord, do not forsake me in my time of need.
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Like, please, please let her cry and let her be okay.
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And, um, the NICU team came in and, and they got her to breathe and she wasn't doing great
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at the beginning, but by like five minutes, she was, she was breathing, like getting color
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I'm so lucky, but it took me a week or two after delivery to process those emotions of
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And so I was just really grateful to be in a, in, you know, in the situation where we
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And, um, and, you know, of course at the end, after all of the tension comes down, they're
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So, um, yeah, I, I think for me, it was a lesson of gosh, those desperate prayers, I
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And also like I had to walk through that and I did share that some on Instagram and hopefully
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with your followers and hopefully it encourages other moms.
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Uh, there's a healing that happens in your body, but also I think there's a healing that has
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to happen in your mind of that was a crazy, that was that, that didn't go as I planned
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and the, what if game we've talked about this, you know, what if I had gone in earlier or
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what if I didn't go in earlier or what if I chose to labor at home and all those what
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So just praying and processing and saying it out loud so that other women can come around
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you in this like tribe was really, it was really helpful for me.
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It is such a process of thinking back over your birth and thinking about those what ifs.
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I would say one year later, I'm, I still find myself sometimes thinking about that
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because both my births, people know who listened to this podcast, didn't go how I wanted them
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to go to unplanned and unwanted C-sections, one more necessary than the other.
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But I still think, I still think about to my first birth almost three years ago, thinking
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There are so many different what ifs and really the thing that just comforts me and brings me
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It's not this idea of, well, all that matters is healthy mom, healthy baby, which is ultimately
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Of course, that's what you ultimately want is healthy mom, healthy baby.
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But that doesn't mean that all of the other things leading up to the healthy mom, healthy
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baby didn't have an impact on you that you need to really work through.
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But still, even like working through those what ifs and working through like labor and
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all the scary moments, I have to remember that God planned it.
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I just have to, I just have to comfort myself with that, that God is sovereign over that,
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that he wasn't like watching my birth and thinking, ooh, what's going to happen next?
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He wrote every single one of our days before any of them came to be, including my children's,
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And so the birth story, as hard as they can be, they're exactly what God ordained.
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Like that is my comfort at the end of it when I find myself tormenting myself with all of
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I also think God can only teach you certain lessons through certain experiences.
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I remember I was looking at Hope and thinking, is she looking at me correctly?
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You know, and like in the middle of the night being like, maybe they, maybe she's not okay.
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And, and I remember thinking, God, I just want her to be perfect.
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And just like that, he went, so did I, I wanted all my kids to be perfect.
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Like, but you guys aren't, like, we aren't his creation.
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Like, I'm like, God, please make my daughter perfect.
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And he's like, that's not, that's, I made one perfect person.
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And that, that's a lesson I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have hit in the same way unless
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And, um, I remember just like thinking through how devastated I would be if I didn't leave
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And I've had to kind of struggle with God and be like, what if that was your will for
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Like, I know that that's a reality for some people, maybe for some people listening, like
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And yet God reminded me, that's what God went through.
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God did make a perfect child and that child didn't make it that that child was killed.
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I mean, like lost his life for us, you know, and God had to look away like that pain that
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Like now you're vulnerable to that level of pain.
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And God's just been so good to remind me, like, I went through that already.
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I already went through separation from my kid and I'm with every parent that goes through
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And I would have been with you, girl, you know?
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And, um, it's just, again, in some way, becoming a mom, a parent to, to a child helps
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You just have to build a different relationship with the Lord.
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On the one hand, it's like, it's, you know, it can be a little complex because obviously
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And so on the, on the one hand, it's amazing thinking about God's love, like how much would
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he have to love us to send your child, to send your only son to die a gruesome death
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What I do, I don't love anyone enough outside of my family to sacrifice my child.
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So like how much does he love us that he would do that?
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And then in the other sense, you think about like how much God loves us to come down, to
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like sacrifice himself, um, on our, on our behalf, that he loves his children so much
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that he would give himself and pay the debt that we had to pay.
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And then that's also true, like in adoption, we as Gentiles, we were adopted through Christ
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And so is adoption here on earth, a picture of that.
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Um, all of this kind of brings into focus everything that you talk about and what we're
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And that is the gift of motherhood, the importance and the value of life inside the womb.
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And what we're seeing right now in the reaction to the possibility of Roe v.
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Wade being overturned from the pro-abortion, pro-choice side.
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And that is what looks like total pro-death rapidity, like the, the protest, the reaction, the
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vitriol that we are seeing about the possibility of abortion now just being a question of state
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Um, it's out of control and we're going to play some clips, um, just looking at some of
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the, the protests and the reaction that we've seen, but like, what's your, what's your take
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What have, what have you thought as you've been seeing the responses from the pro-choice
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left after this news came out, especially as a postpartum mom, I mean, that's hormonal
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Yeah, no, the, the emotions and hormones have made me think like, can someone tell Amy Coney
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And now we're seeing these protests all over the country at the Supreme court.
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I've got friends down there that are pro-life and are standing their ground.
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And, and, and friends have even texted me that aren't even in the pro-life movement alley
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Like when you go by the Supreme court, it just feels heavy.
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Cause there's a big fence in front of the Supreme court too.
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They finally put up a appropriate barricade when they first put up the bike racks.
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You know, the reality is heaven, if something should happen to one of these justices, um, but
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that decision at the draft that we saw would not stand.
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I mean, it's, it's, that would change everything.
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And so, um, I think it's outrageous that we have leaders that are not condemning what's
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They're, they are encouraging violence and vandalism by their silence and by their lack
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of concern for emergency resource centers, for the justices themselves.
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I mean, this, the fact that even, I think Politico ran the leak is questionable knowing that
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Um, this, you know, these people, this groups, yeah, we know we, we face it.
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I mean, anybody will tell you what it looks like outside of the court on an oral argument
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day or decision day and what side is loving and winsome and kind.
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And what side is real, is, is pretty hot and, and pretty sensitive to any pushback and encouraging.
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There were several protests outside of churches, um, over the weekend.
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There was this horrible demonstration that we won't even show on here of the pro-abortion
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She had some kind of like white leotard on and she had stuffed dolls like in her leotard.
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She was in front of the Catholic church and she was like taking the dolls out of her leotard
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I mean, we've seen several churches, unfortunately, protested in front of, not just like peaceful
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protests, but we're talking, like you said, a lot of vitriol.
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And, um, there was an organization called Ruth Sent Us, which obviously is a pro-abortion
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They published the home addresses of the justices online.
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The obvious intent there is not, I don't think just to get people to protest, but to
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try to get those people, the justices to feel intimidated.
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And Jen Psaki was asked about this last week by Fox News in a press conference.
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She said, I think our view here is that peaceful protests, there's a long history in the United
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And we've certainly encouraged people to keep it peaceful and not to resort to any level
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The president's view is that there is a lot of passion, a lot of fear, a lot of sadness
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from many, many people across the country about what they saw in that leaked document.
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We obviously want people's privacy to be respected.
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If they want to protest, that is certainly what the president's view would be.
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So she doesn't outright condemn the home addresses of the justices being published.
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She does say, okay, that they want it to be peaceful.
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I'll play this clip when she was asked about, okay, well, what about these protests in front
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So I know that there's an outrage right now, I guess, about protests that have been peaceful
00:27:23.000
And we certainly continue to encourage that outside of judges' homes.
00:27:29.320
They're actually fine with these protests happening outside of justices' homes.
00:27:35.800
And I'm sorry, I'm going to let you react to this.
00:27:37.600
But I first want to play some of the clips of this happening outside of Chief Justice Roberts'
00:27:42.680
home, out of Kavanaugh's home, and out of Alito's home.
00:28:26.320
and Barrett, they've got young children. Barrett obviously has a young son, I think 10 years old
00:28:33.680
with special needs. The just absolute demonic look of these people and also the irony of what
00:28:42.320
they're saying. I think it was in front of Roberta's house saying, you don't care if people
00:28:47.500
die. Do you know what abortion is? Allison, let's just unpack this. What do you think about it?
00:28:54.240
Yeah. Yeah. No, I'm glad you're showing that, Allie, because no one is seeing that. That is not
00:28:59.660
on mainstream media. You're not hearing about what's going on and seeing how potentially dangerous
00:29:06.140
this could be. I'm so saddened to think of the state of affairs that people could actually stand
00:29:12.200
outside a Supreme Court justice's house that was doxed, essentially. We're doxing Supreme Court
00:29:16.600
justices and saying, you don't care if people die. I mean, that is what we're dealing with with
00:29:21.700
abortion and the confusion. I look at that with pity. I don't even get angry. I look at these
00:29:28.940
people with pity because there's so much misinformation out there. There's so much
00:29:32.760
that they've been lied to about and that they think that, number one, overturning Roe is going
00:29:37.420
to make abortion illegal. It doesn't. You've talked about this in depth. They don't understand what
00:29:41.540
Roe is. They don't understand what it does or what overturning it will do. And they're also following
00:29:46.580
people who don't understand. They're listening to influencers. Even some of the media has been so
00:29:51.540
bad about talking about what Roe would do and what happens if states get to pick abortion policy
00:29:57.860
based on their own constituents. So it's just blind leading the blind. And ultimately,
00:30:02.840
when I look at that mob, I think this is utter selfishness. Abortion is the ultimate act of
00:30:08.760
selfishness. And then you have these people that have to justify this act with rage. And you talk about
00:30:14.240
this in your book. You talk about how people that have had self as their ultimate God end up like
00:30:21.920
this. If something happens in the narrative that's not in line with what the leaders, the elite are
00:30:29.020
saying, you have to act out in rage. And look, everyone has a right to free speech. You have a
00:30:33.840
right to activism, but you don't have a right to violence and vandalism. And what we're seeing at
00:30:39.740
the video that you talked about, which it kind of kept me up last night, the woman, it's very weird
00:30:44.700
to have people acting the way they do and, and just threatening, you know, F Alito and all of the
00:30:51.760
anger. It's like, we could use that energy. Talk about passion, Allie. We could use that energy and
00:30:58.600
that passion to solve real problems that women face, to solve real problems that families are facing.
00:31:04.540
But instead, because the left is funded by big abortion, that energy is used to defend
00:31:11.800
the right, so-called right to dismember your child. And that's heartbreaking. Yeah. That said,
00:31:20.180
I think we in the pro-life movement have to realize that abortion is so prevalent and restricting
00:31:27.520
abortion affects people's lives in such a way that they act out like this, this selfish.
00:31:34.540
I think we're going to have to realize that our arguments are going to have to get more
00:31:38.980
individualized and more okay with tailoring it to a specific person. For example, we know prenatal
00:31:47.960
development facts change hearts and minds, right? We know talking about the abortion procedure
00:31:52.460
changes hearts and minds, but there are still people in a post-ro world who are going to know
00:31:57.820
prenatal development facts. They are going to acknowledge that this is a child. They are going
00:32:01.940
to acknowledge that they could choose life if they wanted to, that there's pregnancy resource
00:32:05.280
centers willing to support them. All of the things that we historically as pro-lifers know can get
00:32:10.840
someone to choose life that are still going to be so selfish to say, I don't care. I don't care. I do
00:32:16.240
what I want. And you've seen this. You can find it on Twitter in a second. I don't care. I know what
00:32:20.940
that is. It's my right to kill that child. And so I've been talking to some of my friends about this,
00:32:25.840
just like we evangelize to the individual, right? If someone is asking me about God,
00:32:31.360
I'm going to figure out why, why are they asking what's going on in their life
00:32:35.100
with a pro-abortion individual? I'm going to have to figure out what is their main,
00:32:41.400
what's their main concern? It's individual evangelism of the pro-life message. It's saying,
00:32:46.260
okay, you act and you did this a little bit with the, you know, quote unquote, pro-choice pastor
00:32:51.340
figuring out where do you draw the line? Okay. Um, why there? Okay. Um, maybe for a woman,
00:32:59.080
it's going to be, I am afraid of this abusive relationship. All right. Now I know where your
00:33:04.280
core concern is and I can help you with that relationship while helping you choose life.
00:33:09.220
Like we're going to have to realize there's going to be a level of selfishness to people in a post-ro
00:33:13.380
world that are proselytization of the pro-life message has to be tailored to that. I told you earlier,
00:33:20.380
I've got women in my DM say, I just don't want to get pregnant because I don't want to lose my body
00:33:24.220
or I don't want to lose out on travel. Okay. I'm going to have to learn how to talk to her
00:33:29.140
in a language that makes sense for her and helps her choose life because she's, she's focused on
00:33:33.600
that one thing, even though I think it might be a little selfish, right? Like, so I think it shows
00:33:37.940
also the humility of a, of a woman who is post-abortive and is talking about it. Anyone out there at these
00:33:44.060
protests who is post-abortive is angry because someone's threatening their ability to justify their
00:33:48.880
previous act. I know plenty of post-abortive women who are, would never be acting out like that would
00:33:54.920
never be violent. They're still, they need, you know, they're going through healing. It's the
00:33:59.360
ultimate act of humility to say, I, I had an abortion or I ate it in an abortion. It was wrong.
00:34:05.680
And I'm going to use my story to save lives. That is very hard for people to do. And we have to realize
00:34:10.620
that that's actually what we're asking a lot of these people to do is admit that they either are
00:34:15.580
post-abortive or they aided and help someone get an abortion. And that's going to be a big weight
00:34:19.740
for them to carry. And it's going to be up to us to help them through that, get healing.
00:34:27.820
We're just dealing with so many cultural trends that kind of are manifesting itself in people's
00:34:33.020
like rabid defensive abortion. I do think that that's part of it. Women who have had abortion,
00:34:37.700
it's very difficult and very vulnerable to say that it was wrong. If that's something that you did,
00:34:43.340
because then you have to deal with the guilt, like you have to deal with the fact that you did
00:34:48.420
something wrong. So it's much easier. And this is true of all mistakes that people make. It's much
00:34:52.980
easier to try to justify it, to try to rationalize it, to get validation from people who tell you that
00:34:57.860
it was not a mistake, that you did nothing wrong, that you just did what you had to do. And that is
00:35:02.960
certainly prevalent in this whole self-empowerment, what I call the trendy narcissism
00:35:08.900
culture, that there's no such thing. There's no such thing really as sin. There's no such thing
00:35:13.500
as doing something wrong. There's no such thing as you having a flaw. Everything is just kind of
00:35:18.900
a quirk. Everything is just kind of a facet of your perfection. And we can't really talk about
00:35:25.180
what it actually means to do something that is wrong. We can't talk about good versus evil.
00:35:31.520
So really, it's a very fundamentally, almost like theological conversation that we are having,
00:35:37.920
whether someone is a Christian or not. It all does come down to what you think about God,
00:35:45.380
if you believe in Him or not. So if you think that there is a bigger moral authority that we
00:35:49.720
have to ascribe to or not, it all comes down to who you think human beings are. Are human beings
00:35:55.740
just clumps of meaningless matter? Or are they individuals? Are they people with value? Are they
00:36:01.880
people with rights? It really does all come back to, no matter who you're talking to or what
00:36:06.660
situation they're in, it comes back to the baby. It comes back to humanity. It comes back to human
00:36:13.860
nature and human rights. And that's just always what I encourage people. If you can give someone
00:36:18.800
like a rule of thumb, which as you said, that's hard because every individual is different. All of
00:36:23.680
their arguments and their experiences are different. But if there is one rule of thumb,
00:36:28.000
it's to bring it back to the baby. Like there are so many posts that go around. I'm pro Becky.
00:36:33.000
I'm pro Jessica, blah, blah, blah. And they just completely ignore the reality that, okay,
00:36:40.200
no matter what justification you're trying to give, abortion still intentionally kills a child.
00:36:46.260
And that is really the only question that matters. Do you think it is okay to sometimes kill an
00:36:51.740
innocent person or not? And if you think it's okay in the instance of abortion, why? What is the
00:36:59.120
difference between a baby in the womb and a baby outside of the womb? Tell me. And I do think just
00:37:04.500
like asking those questions, getting people to think about why they justify abortion, that can
00:37:12.240
really help because the reality is most people who defend abortion have never really thought about it.
00:37:17.980
They've just never really thought about it because there's so much propaganda out there.
00:37:21.180
Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'll tell you a story. One time I was in Times Square in New York and, um, I was going
00:37:27.640
to show people the abortion procedure video. It's an, you know, animated medical animation of an
00:37:34.140
abortion. And I thought I'm going to get punched in the face. Like I'm gonna, this is going to be a
00:37:39.020
bad day. Yeah. I had this tablet, I had, you know, the headphones and I went and I said, you know,
00:37:44.520
I'm doing a project on reproductive rights. Can I ask you a few questions? You say, yes. Can you watch
00:37:49.380
this three minute video? They put the headphones on and they watch this video. I was like ready to
00:37:54.160
run. No one took the headphones off Allie. No one stopped the video. Wow. All different types of
00:38:00.960
people, black, white, young, old, female, male, no one stopped it. And I, they would, the video would
00:38:06.600
be done. So it would show it was an abortionist, you know, showing, uh, what he does through a
00:38:10.740
medical animation, what happens to the baby, integrating some prenatal facts. And at the end of
00:38:14.860
the video, I would just pause. I wanted to hear their first reaction. They take the headphones
00:38:21.260
off and they'd go, I had no idea. Yeah. To a T I had no idea. And I'd stay silent and they would
00:38:29.640
just be processing and they're going, how come I never knew this? Right. How come, what do we show
00:38:35.160
this? Do our legislators know this? Like, do teachers, like, do women know this? And that was
00:38:41.600
powerful for me to see because before I showed the video, I'd say, would you consider yourself
00:38:47.080
pro-life pro-choice or neither? And majority in New York city has said pro-choice, but then they
00:38:51.780
watch the video and they're, there's like a thorn in their side, right? There's like a stone in their
00:38:56.560
shoe. They're like, I have no idea what I'm talking about. And so I didn't get punched that day. I was
00:39:01.500
safe and sound. Thank God. But it reminds, I have to go back to that. Like you're saying, you have to go
00:39:07.840
back to the baby in every argument because people are talking about abortion without ever looking it
00:39:13.180
up, without ever watching a video of what it is. They have not thought about the child. They have
00:39:17.760
not thought about the procedure. Like, and once they get educated, they start moving down that
00:39:23.080
spectrum. And we know, we know polling actually supports this. When asked, do you support Roe v.
00:39:29.100
Wade? Um, and you hear this in the media all the time, like more people support Roe than don't,
00:39:33.920
they'll say they support it. But if you start really, you know, um, hashing that out and asking
00:39:39.500
what restrictions people are in favor of, you know, where do you draw the line? A majority,
00:39:45.060
like, I think it's 69% of women's believe that abortion should be available at most only in the
00:39:51.820
first three months of pregnancy and only in cases of rape, incest, save life, the mother. Like there's
00:39:56.980
a large group of people that would say there's restrictions that need to be in place. They're not
00:40:02.540
as pro-abortion as they claim to be. So, um, only 19%, only, only 19%, according to Pew Research,
00:40:11.700
believe that abortion should be legal in all circumstances. Now, again, a large chunk of
00:40:18.140
people do think that it should be legal in some or most circumstances, but the, the radical groups
00:40:24.900
that you hear most from only 19% believe that it should be, which is honestly way too high,
00:40:31.420
but it should be legal through nine months without any exceptions. But honestly, like that is the
00:40:36.820
position now of the mainstream democratic party. I want to play this clip of Beto O'Rourke, who was
00:40:42.060
running for governor in Texas. He's asked about this. He's asked, Hey, do you think that there should
00:40:46.780
be any exceptions on abortion, which again is a radical and rare position among Americans, but
00:40:52.660
Democrats now, this is the position that they are publicly taking, which is wild. So here's what our
00:40:57.380
friend, uh, Beto had to say, you're a progressive hero. There are so many people around the country
00:41:01.760
who admire you and your leadership. Do you believe in any limits, limitations on abortion, whether it's
00:41:07.420
the third trimester or up until even the final months, nine months, I think Roe versus Wade, which
00:41:12.340
we should remind ourselves is still the law of the land today is the, the, the reference point that I
00:41:19.000
would look to. And the way I think I can best express this is that I trust women. We should all
00:41:25.520
trust women to make their own decisions that are in their best interest for themselves, for their
00:41:30.860
healthcare and for their future. Alison, like even they are uncomfortable in stating their position.
00:41:38.920
Even they know that saying, yes, I am for abortion to the point of a baby, an eight pound baby crowning.
00:41:46.120
Like they know that they can't really say it in the same way that the pro-abortion side,
00:41:51.600
like Planned Parenthood knows that they can't say what the abortion procedure is. If you go on their
00:41:54.980
website, it says terminates the pregnancy or removes pregnancy tissue. The truth hurts the
00:42:00.280
pro-choice side. And even politicians like Beto O'Rourke, even though he is essentially saying he is
00:42:05.600
for the choice of abortion through nine plus months of pregnancy, they can't say it. Like they can't
00:42:11.960
articulate it because they know if people really knew the majority of Americans would not be for
00:42:17.300
it. Yeah. And that's why Roe being overturned is so powerful because it's the shield they hide
00:42:23.260
behind. I mean, I've been working in this long enough, you know, to, you know, you've put politicians
00:42:27.660
that are like, Oh, I'm pro-life, but you know, Roe's law of the land. Like, what do you want me to
00:42:31.000
do? Like, it's not going to go far because of Roe. And I've got, you know, I've got pro-life
00:42:35.240
Christians in my inbox saying, well, come on, what, what a big deal is if we overturn Roe, that's not
00:42:40.420
we should be focusing on, you know, stop being so political to really take care of women. And I'm
00:42:45.580
like, you clearly don't understand what we're doing, what time it is and how much has been
00:42:50.060
happening for the last 40 years to secure the ability to pass pro-life legislation. Like I get
00:42:56.440
it. Like, you know, policy isn't the only thing that matters. Like, but policy matters, like you
00:43:00.660
said, because people matter. So we want to create good pro-life policy, but these politicians pro even
00:43:05.700
pro-life ones stand behind Roe is the law of the land. What you heard Beto say, I mean, and look,
00:43:10.500
Beto's no like, you know, heroic masculine figure that's I think looking out to protect women and
00:43:14.900
children. So we shouldn't set our policies by him, but that is a revealing clip. You can add it on to
00:43:20.580
a long litany of other audio and video we have of the pro-aborts essentially not being able to say
00:43:26.060
that they would stop an abortion of a nine month old child, that they would protect a child after it
00:43:30.880
was survived an abortion. It's a callous, corrupt, it's an inhumane position that they've taken
00:43:36.780
and they all stand by it hook, line and sinker. If you deviate just a little bit, like maybe even
00:43:42.000
like a Tulsi Gabbard did, you are out, you are done. You do not get to be a part of our party unless
00:43:47.460
you are okay with abortion unlimited, fully funded by the taxpayer dollar at any point.
00:43:53.760
And I think that's because they've hidden behind these lies, like it'll save the life of the mom.
00:43:59.280
You know, women will die from back alley abortions. They've really, really, you know, messaged well to
00:44:03.800
their movement. That's why we have to protect abortion at all costs. So that's what the pro-life
00:44:07.940
movement is up against right now is us pushing back and saying, okay, you're concerned about the
00:44:13.240
life of the mother. I hear that. Let me talk to you about why abortion is not medically necessary.
00:44:18.320
Yeah. Okay. Let's talk about these high risk cases. Let's go there. So we, if we can get past
00:44:24.340
that, and I've talked to some friends in the movement who are social media directors, and I
00:44:28.480
said, what are you, what are you hearing? What's, what are you getting in your DMS? What, and they're
00:44:32.580
saying even pro-lifers are still nervous a little bit about messaging on, you know, life of the mother,
00:44:38.120
some of the rape stuff. So making sure guys that we know our answers there, that we've thought this
00:44:43.640
through, that we are compassionate in our response and truthful, and that we're protecting
00:44:48.180
both the woman and the child is going to be crucial, I think, in the year and years ahead.
00:44:53.280
Yeah. Let's walk through that just a little bit, if we can, just kind of giving some brief talking
00:44:58.500
points on that question, because I do think that that is the most difficult thing. So one thing that
00:45:04.620
we hear and we're seeing with all these protesters with like the hangers, and you're hearing them say
00:45:11.300
you can only ban safe abortion, or like legal safe abortion, you can't ban abortion. So if you ban
00:45:18.680
abortion, and that's just going to cause women to go into the back alley, and then you have two
00:45:24.140
people dying, like they probably don't even admit that it's, you know, people dying, but they would
00:45:28.360
say that harms women. So what do you say to that? Because of course, as pro-lifers, like we want to
00:45:33.260
protect the lives of women, even the women who are choosing to get abortions. So what's,
00:45:37.880
what's the response to the point that, oh, it is safer for everyone if abortion is legal?
00:45:45.260
Well, let me just say, like that question is something that was a big question mark for me
00:45:51.120
when I started, you know, in the pro-life movement. I don't know if it was a movie I saw or a show,
00:45:56.280
but I had this idea, Allie, that there could be a moment in pregnancy where the mom is in the hospital
00:46:02.460
and she's sweating and she's about to die. And the dad has to decide, does the baby die
00:46:07.840
or does the mom die? And who am I picking? Do you know what I mean? Like, I thought that that was
00:46:12.460
a reality. And I've talked to pro-life OBGYNs, our friends at the American Association of Pro-life
00:46:17.400
OBGYNs. I'm like, does that happen? Like, and they're like, no, listen, if there is a high risk
00:46:23.800
circumstance, we try and save them both. That is the goal is to save the baby and the mom.
00:46:30.820
If that pregnancy, if that child needs to be separated from the mom in order to bring her blood
00:46:34.880
pressure back down or whatever it may be, we want to separate them through early delivery or C-section
00:46:41.100
in hopes that they both live. Now, this is a pro-life OBGYN saying this. And obviously if it's
00:46:47.400
a little early in the term, if it's a 20 week old baby, their chances of survival are very slim,
00:46:52.960
but that is very different than intentionally dismembering that child
00:46:57.000
in order to separate it from the mother. And so that helps me a lot because I feel that for them.
00:47:05.520
If you're confused, if you don't understand this, you are concerned. What happens in those
00:47:10.000
circumstances? We know women get preeclampsia. We know there's hard pregnancy outcomes.
00:47:15.160
Even before viability, you know, 20 weeks, a 20 week baby probably most likely can't live outside
00:47:22.780
the womb, even with medical help. But if the mom has to live, what you're saying is that even if
00:47:29.660
the baby can't live outside the womb, you still deliver, you still deliver the baby, even knowing
00:47:35.000
that unfortunately, tragically, that baby will die. That is different than purposely stopping the
00:47:40.540
heartbeat of that child, which is typically what happens in the second trimester abortion, putting a
00:47:47.360
needle into the woman's abdomen, into the uterus and stopping the heart of that child, killing that child
00:47:52.640
and then taking the child out. That's different. That's different. One is intentional murder and one is
00:47:56.880
unfortunately the necessary treatment and consequence of trying to save the woman's life. So that's two
00:48:04.800
Right. And there's actually a whole field of health care dedicated to that moment. It's called perinatal and
00:48:10.640
palliative care. You prepare for that, you know, if you especially say the child has like an abnormality or
00:48:18.200
fatal abnormality, palliative care and perinatal care is treating the womb like a hospice and creating a
00:48:25.480
moment when that child is born that you can remember and provide closure to the family. So like you said,
00:48:31.820
if that child is born early, we would still try and capture pictures. We would still try and we would
00:48:37.620
try and give it a chance at life and if it can't make it, we would make memories, right? And so I'll always
00:48:42.380
remember I was at this big rally in Virginia and a nurse shared a story of two sisters that both had
00:48:48.500
a negative pregnancy diagnosis and outcome that their child would not make it long after birth.
00:48:53.980
One sister made the decision to abort and the other sister chose to bring that child to term as long as
00:49:00.680
she could and provide palliative care. So taking care of it, taking pictures, capturing its heartbeat.
00:49:06.700
You know, it was, and she said, this nurse says, I will never forget the sister that aborted said,
00:49:11.420
I have a secret and my sister has a story. I have a secret to keep. And my sister has a story to
00:49:17.900
share. And I thought that was beautiful because that is a hard moment. Again, leaving the hospital
00:49:23.660
without your, your newborn, but the data reflects that it's better for women's mental health, that
00:49:29.680
they would have those moments with their child versus allowing someone to go in and dismember and
00:49:35.960
destroy your child. So those are big cases. And so I think it's important as a pro-lifer,
00:49:40.740
you try and find some common ground there and go, yeah, that would be a crazy experience. You know,
00:49:45.100
if that were the case, but I want you to know, I've looked into it and that's not, I've talked to
00:49:49.000
OBGYNs, neonatologists, all of this information is available online. And you can say it is, you do not
00:49:55.660
need abortion to save the life of the mother. It's not medically necessary. You can separate them.
00:50:00.160
That's very different with an early delivery. Um, but it's different than the intentional
00:50:04.280
dismemberment of a child. And I think that that will help them understand that you have a heart too.
00:50:08.380
You're not just being callous saying, say la vie, the baby is more important than the mom.
00:50:12.920
No, we're just saying the baby is just as important as the mom.
00:50:20.560
And there are also a lot of, um, there's a lot of misinformation about certain state bills that
00:50:26.260
are coming out right now, um, about ectopic pregnancies and the DNC procedure that is necessary
00:50:32.980
for, um, miscarriages. Some people are saying that, oh, these bills are going to ban treatment
00:50:39.960
for ectopic pregnancies. There was a lot of misinformation from the mainstream media about
00:50:44.640
a Missouri bill that that was going to stop the treatment of ectopic pregnancies. Some people
00:50:49.440
have believed because the medical coding, um, can code, uh, a miscarriage as a spontaneous abortion
00:50:57.580
that that's going to stop DNC. Look, none, none of that is true. I actually originally thought that
00:51:03.140
the Missouri bill did ban the treatment of ectopic pregnancy. So I, as a pro-lifer who wanted to give
00:51:10.240
the benefit of the doubt, I thought that too, but then I realized that's not actually true. That's
00:51:15.220
not what's going on. There was, um, secularprolife.org. I think that's the website. They did a whole
00:51:22.860
write up on this. They did a fact check on this and basically they explained that three different
00:51:29.900
bills in Missouri are kind of coming together. And what it is stopping is outside States providing
00:51:36.480
illegal tools for a woman to perform an abortion at home. It had nothing to do with ectopic pregnancies.
00:51:43.700
It had nothing to do with miscarriages. Um, the same thing in Louisiana, this is not stopping the
00:51:50.680
treatment of miscarriages. It is not stopping the treatment of ectopic pregnancies. If these bills
00:51:56.840
were doing that, I would also be against them. Like we would also be speaking out about that
00:52:01.960
because treating an ectopic pregnancy where the baby is in the fallopian tube cannot survive. It's
00:52:06.980
very dangerous for the mother as well. That is not the same thing as purposely killing the child.
00:52:12.100
The child has to be removed. Same thing with a miscarriage in which a child naturally dies. And then
00:52:17.160
you have to move the child or remove the child who was already dead. These are not abortions.
00:52:21.480
And if anyone says that, if someone is like talking to you and says, Oh, well, this is going to ban the
00:52:26.260
care, the care of miscarriages. You tell them, you make them link the exact bill and copy and paste
00:52:33.740
the exact sentence of the legislation that bans miscarriage care or bans ectopic pregnancies. Because
00:52:41.060
most people saying that they're just throwing it out there, but you make them cite it. You make them
00:52:45.740
cite it specifically because the reality is, it's just not true. That's not what is happening.
00:52:50.300
Yeah. There's so much information floating around. I really wish there was just like a board or like
00:52:54.980
a committee that could like squash this misinformation. You know, I really wish that was
00:52:59.900
Yeah. Oh, they're not going to like it. When Ron DeSantis becomes president and that disinformation
00:53:05.580
board is still there, you and I are going to sit on it and we're going to talk about the reality of
00:53:11.500
Wonderful. That would be wonderful. Yeah. If only someone was dedicated to saying that's not true.
00:53:15.640
That's not what this does. I mean, the ectopic pregnancy and miscarriage thing has flown around
00:53:19.800
the internet and it's so outrageous to me for a couple of reasons. One, it's a complete lie. No
00:53:24.500
piece of legislation and no pro-life leader would ever support limiting the ability to treat an
00:53:30.560
ectopic pregnancy or manage your miscarriage. I mean, we all know women who have miscarried.
00:53:36.540
We may know women who have had an ectopic pregnancy. That is never threatened by pro-life
00:53:41.900
legislation. There's either particular caveats that are written into it to protect it just to
00:53:46.180
make sure. And again, you're like you said, we would be outraged if a piece of legislation would
00:53:52.000
threaten the ability to handle a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy. What gets confusing,
00:53:58.320
and you talked about this with the coding, and I was talking to a healthcare professional this
00:54:01.920
morning who said, yeah, it does get confusing because the word abortion, it's a medical term.
00:54:06.280
A spontaneous abortion, though, is different than an elective abortion. And they're completely
00:54:12.320
confident in their ability to provide treatment for ectopic pregnancies and miscarriage management.
00:54:16.940
So I also want to point out, though, to the left, and this could be good for someone
00:54:22.580
arguing on this point. It's been surprising to me to see the left so focused on ectopic pregnancy
00:54:30.520
and so concerned about the so-called inability to get treatment. And here's why. And also the back
00:54:37.800
alley abortion. They've been really using those two things. They're so concerned about at-home back
00:54:42.720
alley abortions and this. Okay. Well, then why is the abortion industry the one that's advancing
00:54:48.800
the idea of at-home, do-it-yourself abortions? So true.
00:54:53.780
If they're so concerned about back alley unsupervised abortions and women dying from ectopic
00:55:03.520
pregnancies, why is the pro-abortion industry the one creating websites, Plan C, how to do an at-home
00:55:12.320
Why did they, during COVID, Allie, fight the FDA to be able to get the abortion pill to women without
00:55:20.940
An in-person doctor's visit would have made sure that you didn't have an ectopic pregnancy. Hopefully,
00:55:26.400
if you went to a good provider, it actually wasn't required, shockingly. But if you take the abortion
00:55:31.960
pill and you do have an ectopic pregnancy, you could rupture your fallopian tube, hemorrhage at home,
00:55:37.880
and you would have no idea. You'd be left to die. Yeah.
00:55:40.840
You would think this is, I mean, you tell me, what's a normal amount of blood to lose during
00:55:46.820
I don't know. Do you know? I don't. So you would have women at home hemorrhaging,
00:55:50.940
and they'd think this is normal. And you can't drive yourself to the hospital either. Are you
00:55:56.160
going to be able to call 911? Who knows? And even if you can't call 911, they don't know what just
00:56:01.700
happened. If you're passed out, I mean, this is literally a disaster. And so many pieces of state
00:56:06.840
legislation, like abortion legislation from Maryland, New Jersey, and all of that, like one key piece of
00:56:11.840
all these pro-abortion pieces of legislation is that it deregulates it. It takes away any regulation
00:56:17.520
that would force an abortion clinic to be by a hospital, or in some cases, midwives can perform
00:56:24.100
abortions instead of doctors. So you're absolutely right. Democrats are totally in the business of
00:56:30.000
making it less safe for the woman who is getting the abortion.
00:56:34.080
Right. Right. And this kind of goes back to that, like, fine, let me talk to you about like a selfish,
00:56:38.120
it's about you now, sister. Like, it's about you. Like abortion, you need to realize is dangerous.
00:56:43.140
It is threatening to your life. It is threatening to your future fertility. And the abortion industry
00:56:48.120
that's pushing it on you does not care. Like you said, they have fought against every single type
00:56:53.640
of regulation, including, you know, making the hallways wide enough for a gurney to get through.
00:56:59.220
They've fought against that. They are right now, if you think about it, the Atlantic, all these others
00:57:04.420
are saying this is the future. The next frontier is at home abortions. That is the back alley abortion
00:57:10.600
that you are, you guys are saying you're so worried about. These women are going to be alone.
00:57:14.060
The FDA has already reported that 24 women have died at least from that abortion pill. And now
00:57:19.980
it's, you can get it more easily. You can order it online and to make matters worse. They're saying
00:57:26.300
that if you do have complications, go to the hospital, like you said, how maybe drive yourself
00:57:30.880
and say that you're just miscarrying. Wow. So now we don't even have the data. We won't have,
00:57:37.060
we don't have good data now. And we'll continue to have bad data because women are saying I miscarried.
00:57:41.520
They're not being told to say I took the abortion pill. I might be hemorrhaging. They're saying,
00:57:46.140
just say that you miscarried because we don't want them to ask questions about what happened
00:57:49.860
to your pregnancy. It's very dangerous. So I say that with ectopic pregnancies, if you're very
00:57:55.660
concerned about the ability to treat ectopic pregnancies, you're concerned about back alley abortions.
00:57:59.700
Let's talk about how risky it is for the pro abortion industry to be acting like ectopic pregnancy isn't real
00:58:06.620
by pushing the abortion pill into women's homes where they could rupture alone. They don't have
00:58:11.380
these in-person doctor's visits. And they're essentially doing what you're afraid of, which
00:58:15.240
is administering an abortion to themselves with permission and encouragement from the abortion
00:58:20.560
industry who has already killed countless women. Tanya Reeves, women at Kermit Gosnell's office,
00:58:25.600
they do not care about you like the pro-life movement cares about you and wants to protect you
00:58:29.760
from this. Yeah. I heard someone make a good point the other day that they were like, yeah,
00:58:34.320
I don't want you to have a coat hanger abortion either. That's what we're speaking out against.
00:58:39.940
We don't want you to have an abortion. And it's also, it's not a good argument because that's not
00:58:45.580
an argument for making the murder of a child legal, because then you could say that about anything.
00:58:51.220
Okay. Well, murders or theft or anything is more dangerous if you make it illegal. Like you could argue
00:58:58.160
that. So does that mean that we should make everything that is wrong legal because it is safer for the
00:59:03.180
person that is perpetrating the crime. Like that's just not, it's not even good logic, but you raise
00:59:08.360
such a good point. The democratic party is also not interested in the safety of women. And I think
00:59:13.460
Biden's treasury secretary, and we're going to have to close out, even though I'm sure we could talk for
00:59:17.920
another hour, but Biden's treasury secretary also, she kind of just spoke the quiet part out loud. If you
00:59:27.480
could even consider the quiet part in a hearing, she said that she believes that, um, that abortion
00:59:35.240
limiting access to abortion is going to hurt the country economically. Now, these are the same people
00:59:42.440
who called conservatives, grandma killers for saying, Hey, I don't think that we should close
00:59:47.180
down every small business because of COVID. I don't think that's going to protect old people.
00:59:51.760
We were told that focusing on the economy at all during COVID, that that was deadly, that that was
00:59:56.780
callous. Now these people are saying, Oh, actually you have to sacrifice children on the altar of the
01:00:02.720
economy. I don't even think this is a true statement, by the way, we both work. We have children. They have
01:00:08.880
such a low view, such a low view of women, of women's physical safety and their ability to do all of the
01:00:15.120
things that God has called us to do. Yeah. Beautifully said. I mean, two words, demographic winter,
01:00:20.240
right? Like the globe is dealing with a lack of children. It's not just us that that her statement
01:00:27.060
does not stand strong. I mean, the, the economies of other nations are being disrupted because they
01:00:31.960
don't have enough children to support their aging population. They are incentivizing conception
01:00:35.780
weekends in other parts of the world because they're like, we need children. We have too many
01:00:40.640
aging people. We don't have children to support our economy. So that, that falls flat on its face.
01:00:44.700
You can look into it. That is a fascinating, um, part I think of the pro-life movement to look at.
01:00:49.360
Like, yeah, we, it is a problem when you don't create enough children, but number two, I'm so
01:00:54.860
sick and tired of this argument that we have to solve other societal problems before we stop the
01:01:00.580
violence of abortion. Yeah. You see this going around. Oh, come on. Paid, we need paid maternity
01:01:05.460
leave, universal healthcare. We need to, you know, fix our justice system. We need to make sure that
01:01:10.680
there's health insurance, all these things before we stop abortion. Um, first off, I can probably
01:01:16.760
partner with you on half of those things. Like, yeah, let's look at maternity leave. Let's look
01:01:20.400
at the policies. Yeah. Let's work together on those things for sure. But we need to stop the
01:01:24.980
violence immediately. 2000 lives are going to be lost today to abortion. Yeah. We don't see this in
01:01:30.560
other human rights cases, Allie. We don't see this. I always challenge people to replace abortion with
01:01:35.300
like, say sex trafficking. Hey, there's a victim. She's about to be raped and tortured and abused.
01:01:40.040
Okay. But we could stop sex trafficking right now. Or should we make sure she has like a job and
01:01:44.620
health insurance and can drive and read and stuff before? No, we would say, stop this act right now.
01:01:50.920
Yeah. Right now we're done. And so I would apply that to the abortion argument and say to your
01:01:55.440
listeners to do the same. We must stop the violence against children. Let's work together on solutions
01:02:01.740
to support women and families. We're doing that. The pro-life movement is already doing that,
01:02:05.880
but we have to stop the violence. We cannot act like there's excuses, the economy or broken systems to
01:02:12.100
justify what's happening in our country. Yeah. Unfortunately, all of the work that pro-lifers
01:02:18.700
do before, during, and after pregnancy is not just ignored, but is actually actively
01:02:24.760
inhibited by some radical pro-abortion activists. I mean, we saw the Concerned Woman for
01:02:30.240
America headquarters that that was vandalized. I don't know if we might have some pictures to put up.
01:02:36.240
The Wisconsin Family Action Center in Madison, Wisconsin, that was vandalized with graffiti. It was
01:02:41.320
firebombed. Pregnancy Resource Center in Northern Virginia vandalized with graffiti. Oregon Right
01:02:46.840
to Life. There was an arson attempt there. So we're seeing domestic terrorism against pro-life
01:02:53.460
organizations. Domestic terrorism, in some ways, I would argue, or at least illegal intimidation of
01:02:59.320
the justices that's happening in front of their homes from this pro-abortion side. These pro-life
01:03:04.820
centers, all they are doing, they're doing the very things that the left accuses us of never doing,
01:03:09.980
which is going beyond being pro-birth and actually helping these women have the resources that they
01:03:16.340
need to thrive along with their children. But it really does become like you see that this is not
01:03:23.600
really a left versus right issue. This really is light versus dark. This is really the truth versus
01:03:29.440
the lies. This is pro-death versus pro-life. That's what's going on here. And I just hope and pray that
01:03:36.760
no matter what happens with Roe v. Wade, that people, that God allows people to see the sharp
01:03:41.980
dichotomy that's at play, to see the spiritual battle that's at play. This is a matter of life
01:03:47.900
versus death. This is a matter of good versus evil. And I just hope that the evil that we do see
01:03:54.260
awakens people to the reality of what's really going on here.
01:03:57.800
Yeah. Beautifully said. And, you know, I think I last saw that PRCs provide over $260 million
01:04:04.760
of resources every year. And it's very ironic that the side of the argument that's constantly saying,
01:04:11.440
take care of these children, is also bombing the places that are taking care of these children.
01:04:16.780
I mean, we are trying to get care to women, resources to women, counsel to women, and doing
01:04:23.840
it more often and for free, by the way. These are all free resources. And now the left is targeting
01:04:30.780
these very facilities, like you said, with Molotov cocktails. I was reading in Wisconsin, just to end
01:04:35.680
on a God note here, one of those Molotov, the Molotov cocktail that was thrown in did not go off.
01:04:41.620
And I read that in the article and I thought that's such a God wink. Like, that's our God,
01:04:45.360
right? He's like, okay, that's not going to go off now because it did have fire. It started a
01:04:50.160
small fire inside of it, but it could have been worse. And I just think, you know, God was looking
01:04:54.100
out for them, but the violence, the vandalism has to stop. We need to pray for these places. Like you
01:04:58.940
said, it is a spiritual battle. We've always been up against, but right now we have just a very bright
01:05:03.760
light shining in the darkness. And what happens? Preachers freak out when you shine a light in the
01:05:09.620
dark, when you're sitting over the target, the shots get really intense. My, my dad always told me
01:05:14.500
that. I know you have a good relationship with yours. You know, my dad said, when I first started
01:05:17.360
in DC, he said, look, when you're over the target is when the shots are going to get fired. And I
01:05:22.100
think the pro-lifers are feeling that right now we're sitting over the target shots are being fired,
01:05:26.380
but we got to stay strong. We're right there. And we know what we're up against.
01:05:31.100
Yeah. Don't back down, double down, be courageous in this and take the courage of other people
01:05:37.380
and allow it to be yours. Borrow someone else's courage and stand up. It really is a matter of life
01:05:43.440
and death. Thank you for emulating that for us and representing that for us and giving us so many
01:05:47.380
good points and also being vulnerable just about motherhood and everything. I think this episode
01:05:51.820
is going to be so encouraging for so many people. People can follow you on Instagram, Twitter,
01:05:57.000
all that good stuff, right? Yeah, please do. I'd love to chat with you and answer any questions you
01:06:01.680
have. This is, this is not just my job. This is my calling. I love it. And thank you,
01:06:07.400
Allie, for the way that you've just given so many, so much courage. I steal courage from you
01:06:11.480
sometimes. So thanks. Oh, well, thank you so much, Allison. Thanks for taking the time to come on.