Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 616 ｜ Why Black America Votes Democrat ｜ Guests： Shemeka Michelle & Delano Squires

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. This episode is brought to you by our friends

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00:00:19.180 All right. I've got a really fun conversation for you today with two guests, Delano Squires.

00:00:24.940 You've seen him on Relatable before. And also Shamika Michelle. She is a contributor for

00:00:33.500 Jason Whitlock's Fearless. She has amazing commentary and amazing insight. We are going

00:00:40.200 to talk about the issues specific to Black America, how we as Christians should be approaching them

00:00:47.260 with both truth and in love. But we're also going to talk about this issue of abortion and how the

00:00:53.540 media is framing it and really how the media tries to conflate LGBTQ issues, abortion issues with

00:01:02.560 so-called racial justice. And we'll also kind of critique a little bit of how the church

00:01:06.900 is responding so timidly to all of these things. You're going to love this conversation. Wait till

00:01:11.900 the end where they just, they will give you so much fire. You will leave this conversation feeling

00:01:16.820 really inspired. I'm excited for you to hear it. So without further ado, here are our new friends,

00:01:21.820 Delano and Shamika. Thank you guys so much for joining me. Delano, this is, I believe, your second

00:01:29.060 time on the show. This is your first time on the show. So can you first tell us who you are and what

00:01:34.240 you do? I am Shamika Michelle and I'm a contributor for Fearless with the Blaze. So thank you for having

00:01:40.560 me, Allie. I appreciate it. Yeah, of course. And Delano, you are a contributor as well for Jason.

00:01:45.380 Correct. Okay. So today we're going to talk about quite a few things. I just want to get both of

00:01:50.720 your reactions to them and just respond in whatever order you guys want. So we were talking before the

00:01:58.100 before the camera started rolling about this $40 billion that has been secured for Ukraine,

00:02:05.660 Ukrainian defenses. And Mitch McConnell, who is a Republican senator, he said a couple days ago that

00:02:12.080 we all agree. He said in a press conference, we all agree that this is the most important thing

00:02:16.340 going on in the world. Well, I don't think any of us deny that it's important or I don't think any of

00:02:20.840 us have a lack of compassion for the Ukrainian people. Absolutely. But there's a lot that's going 1.00

00:02:28.060 on that is affecting our daily lives. I don't know. What do you guys think? Do you think like that

00:02:33.060 what's going on in Ukraine is the most important thing in your lives or what's going on in the world

00:02:37.260 right now? Yeah, I don't agree. When I'm at the gas pump, I don't agree. When I am at the grocery

00:02:43.620 store and my bill is higher than usual, I don't agree. And I think Mitch McConnell and so many

00:02:49.720 others are so out of touch with the common person that they say ridiculous things like this, not

00:02:55.860 realizing the strain that everyday people feel. So no, I definitely don't think it's the most

00:03:02.340 important, not to me and not to many people that I know. Yeah. Yeah. And I feel the same way. I mean,

00:03:08.480 as Shamika said, I see gas prices creeping back up. But I think the comments from Mitch McConnell

00:03:14.660 reveal sort of what some people will call the uniparty, which is that Democrats and Republicans,

00:03:23.640 when it comes to certain issues and war is one of them, seem to be more on the same page with each

00:03:29.220 other than they are with the American public. So that the notion that the most important thing

00:03:34.820 for U.S. senators to be focusing on is maintaining the sovereignty of Ukraine, as opposed to addressing

00:03:43.600 the issues in America, is one of the reasons that both groups get called globalists. And I think that

00:03:51.020 label is fitting and appropriate. Yeah, especially when you are considering the fact that our own

00:03:57.200 countries' borders are not being protected, our own sovereignty is not being protected, our own

00:04:02.920 democratic processes are not being protected by the very same people who say that the number one

00:04:08.500 priority of American politicians is to represent the interests of Ukraine. I mean, just a few things

00:04:14.760 that are going on. Obviously, you mentioned high gas prices, inflation that is affecting all kinds of

00:04:19.200 goods and services, the border wide open. We've got a fentanyl, opioid, homelessness crisis in many

00:04:24.760 American cities. I mean, look at the American towns, especially in the Rust Belt. They're completely

00:04:29.420 gutted because both parties have really kind of outsourced our manufacturing, outsourced our jobs.

00:04:34.600 People are struggling and suffering there. Murder is up in major cities. Suicide is up among young

00:04:40.200 people, I think in large part due to a lot of the policies that forced young people into isolation

00:04:45.300 for the past two years. And then thinking of democracy and liberty, the DHS has a disinformation

00:04:51.060 board. The DOJ is going after concerned parents that are complaining to school boards. The House

00:04:57.700 Judiciary Committee confirmed yesterday people can't find baby formula, literally cannot feed their

00:05:04.460 babies here, here in the United States. This is happening to the constituents of the people who say

00:05:10.640 that really our focus should be on Ukraine. That's just, that's just incredible to me.

00:05:16.300 It would be as if me as a husband and father, if I told my wife that my most important priority

00:05:22.980 is the condition of the woman down the street, her household, to make sure that she's fed and her 0.98

00:05:28.760 children are fed while our family is starving and feeling insecure. So when I hear people like Mitch

00:05:36.200 McConnell and a lot of other congressional Republicans speak this way, again, to me, it just tells me that

00:05:41.460 they don't really understand their top priority and are not as concerned with American interests as they should

00:05:48.140 be.

00:05:48.340 Right. That's why America first is so important to me when I hear a politician say that or anyone say that I'm paying

00:05:56.020 attention. Do you really believe America first? And you have to have that as one of your talking points.

00:06:02.860 So one of the things that you believe to even get my attention in the first place, I don't want someone that's

00:06:07.880 paying attention to everything outside of America. America first, because that's where I live.

00:06:14.220 That's where my children live. And that's what I want to make sure is great. And, you know, if people

00:06:19.960 would get offended when Trump would say, make America great again, and you would have a lot of people

00:06:24.920 saying, when was it ever great? Where there was a time that I even remembered that it was great.

00:06:30.040 You could leave your doors unlocked. You didn't have to worry about crime the way, you know, we do now.

00:06:35.280 America was great. And I think we can still have that if we put America first. If we're going to

00:06:42.240 focus on everything else, we're never going to get there.

00:06:45.200 Yeah, I agree. I mean, some people are offended by that. They think that that means that you lack

00:06:49.260 empathy or compassion for other people. But it really is a great metaphor to talk about it like

00:06:54.160 a family, because countries really are like families. We care about our neighbors. If our neighbor is in

00:06:59.480 trouble, we obviously want to help them, but not at the expense of my kids. Like if I told,

00:07:04.560 like if my husband told us, okay, we're going to let every person in from the neighborhood,

00:07:09.600 we're not going to vet them. We're not going to look at their background. We have no idea what

00:07:13.200 they're bringing in our house. We are going to let them eat. We're going to give them all of the

00:07:17.920 protection and the resources that's in our home. And not in addition to getting those things ourselves,

00:07:23.600 but instead of us, then that would make him a bad husband. That would make him a bad father.

00:07:29.200 That would make him a bad provider. And in the same way, when you're putting other countries 0.91

00:07:33.900 before your own country, that makes you a bad leader. That is actually lacking compassion.

00:07:38.840 Some people just don't seem to understand that. I don't know.

00:07:41.580 Right. Okay. I want to talk a little bit about, we were also talking about this before the camera

00:07:47.140 started rolling. We'll kind of go into this in general, but specifically in relation to Roe v.

00:07:55.520 Wade and the abortion issue, which is obviously, especially hot right now, something that people

00:07:59.480 are really talking about. I read this article in the Washington Examiner, a big city teachers

00:08:05.420 unions say Supreme court draft overturning Roe v. Wade is racist. Of course it's racist.

00:08:13.440 I didn't even see the article, but I knew, I knew how.

00:08:15.500 Exactly. You knew. So this is what the Chicago teachers union said. The same forces that want to

00:08:20.920 erase black history and black votes, what trample the rights of transgender students and our queer 0.99

00:08:27.360 siblings. So again, they put it all together like we were talking about and build walls around our 0.68

00:08:33.080 country. Again, going back to what we were talking about are continuing their attacks by threatening

00:08:37.440 a woman's right to choose. Delano, can you tell me why these issues are always conflated like abortion 0.99

00:08:45.020 and LGBTQ, they're seen as like racial justice issues. What's going on there?

00:08:51.980 I've been thinking about this because I, I like to name things, right? I like to come up with terms.

00:08:56.000 That's good. We need people to name things.

00:08:58.660 I would call this chocolate covered Marxism.

00:09:01.360 Okay.

00:09:01.620 So what I think the left does, they understand that they're pushing a radical agenda, but they

00:09:08.260 understand if they push it in a traditional way that a lot of their constituents will be resistant

00:09:13.840 to it because their constituents don't want to see more cisgender, heterosexual males telling people

00:09:20.740 what to do. So they said, let's dip it in chocolate. Let's make black people the face of it. 0.99

00:09:26.300 And we will turn, for instance, what used to be called gay rights, which was basically a lot of

00:09:32.100 middle-class white men who wanted to access the privileges of middle-class bourgeoisie, you know,

00:09:39.420 normalcy, be able to buy a house and get an education and have a job, have a partnership that's

00:09:46.960 recognized by the state, pass on property. That has transformed into the LGBTQIA2S plus agenda,

00:09:56.300 impressive, which now I get a lot of exercise on it. But now if, if you notice every time the

00:10:04.320 president mentions transgenderism, like on the transgender day of remembrance, he will always

00:10:09.900 talk about the transgender black girls and women of color who are being assaulted and, and, you know, 0.50

00:10:18.920 victims of crime in the streets because this in effect is a black scene. So you, you inoculate 0.96

00:10:24.900 yourself from charges of racism, if you make every part of your agenda, a racial justice issue. So

00:10:31.140 same thing with abortion. Now they're saying that if black women aren't able to terminate their 0.93

00:10:37.120 pregnancies, right, that this is a function of white supremacy. So we've come to the point where 0.93

00:10:43.040 fewer black children being born is liberation and more black children being born. If Roe v. Wade is 0.99

00:10:50.900 overturned is, as I said, an aspect of white supremacy. And so this will continue. So it's

00:10:56.660 the, the LGBT stuff, abortion, climate change, what they call climate change will be framed as

00:11:03.720 black folks who live in and around cities and the name New Orleans and other people who live,

00:11:10.180 you know, on the East coast, they're the ones who will be most in danger from climate change.

00:11:15.420 So that's why we need to take over one sixth of the economy and steer it in the right direction

00:11:21.020 to avert this existential crisis. All while the Obamas still live in their waterfront,

00:11:26.420 their beachfront mansion. So, of course, so chocolate covered Marxism. That's what I'm going with.

00:11:36.080 I heard Janet Yellen. She's the treasury secretary. I don't know if you guys saw her exchange with Senator

00:11:41.080 Tim Scott. I don't think I have the clip because I forgot to ask for it, but she, um, was saying,

00:11:46.860 you know, Roe v. Wade being overturned or women not having enough access to abortion is going to

00:11:54.760 negatively impact the labor participation rate. It's going to have a negative impact on the economy.

00:12:02.520 And, you know, most of these women, she said they're in poverty and they're black. 1.00

00:12:06.740 And Tim Scott, what a person to say that to Senator Scott said, well, I just think that as

00:12:12.220 a black guy who was raised by a mother in abject poverty, I'm happy to be here as a United States

00:12:16.860 Senator. And that was just the perfect, simple response because it like also what's amazing

00:12:25.220 about that statement is that she represents the very same side who calls conservatives callous for

00:12:31.020 bringing up the economy when it came to COVID. They called us grandma killers for that. But now she's

00:12:36.180 saying, so babies need to be placed on the altar of the economy, which is also stupid because like 0.98

00:12:45.060 you actually do economically speaking, need more children and need more people to like replace 0.97

00:12:51.120 the older generations for labor force participation. It's all crazy. What do you think about that? 0.83

00:12:56.100 Shamika, what do you think about her response that black women need abortion in order to be successful?

00:13:00.940 Ali, like Delano was saying, I think anytime they want to get black people involved or pull on our 0.67

00:13:08.280 heartstrings, they wrap anything in racism. When they were talking about illegal immigration,

00:13:13.880 they brought in black people. They felt like we should be understanding for minorities. And I'm

00:13:20.300 thinking, well, somebody floating in on an inner tube is certainly different than my ancestors that

00:13:26.040 were brought here unwillingly, you know, and when they want to talk about voter suppression,

00:13:31.020 oh, black people, you know, this is going to take you back to Jim Crow. They're doing the same thing 1.00

00:13:36.940 with abortion. They always do that because black people fall for it so much. We are, you know, 0.99

00:13:43.380 so compassionate and we're so afraid. When I heard them say that they were going, you know,

00:13:48.900 if they overturn Roe versus Wade, be careful. They can overturn civil rights. I said, oh gosh,

00:13:56.800 they're going to do the same thing that they've done with everything else. And listening to Janet

00:14:01.040 is offensive to me because I'm a product of rape. My mother was raped at 14 by a complete stranger. 0.97

00:14:07.620 I was born to her at 15. If she had the choice or if someone was forcing her to have an abortion, 0.96

00:14:16.180 I would not be here. So when they talk as if that is the only option for, uh, black women or poor 0.98

00:14:24.860 women, that's just simply not true. I was born to a 15 year old. She of course had to work hard to 1.00

00:14:31.520 take care of me, but she did it. And here I am. So it's possible. So when I hear people speak about

00:14:37.940 that, you don't talk about the possibilities. Like all you talk about is the negative aspect of it.

00:14:43.720 And I am a prime example of the possibilities. So it's personal to me. Right. And they're,

00:14:51.300 they're people, even if someone did grow up in exclusive hardship, even if a person was born

00:14:58.700 into poverty and then they were homeless and never really did contribute anything to society,

00:15:04.120 they were never productive. That's still a human being. And it seems to me like the pro-abortion side,

00:15:10.140 like Janet Yellen, they simply forget about the humanity. Even if Tim Scott never became Senator

00:15:16.600 Scott, it still would have been wrong to abort him. It still would not have been a good justification

00:15:21.580 just because his mom is poor, because he's a human being. And it seems to me like the left

00:15:26.620 forgets that. And a lot of people fall for it. Even professing Christians kind of fall for the whole,

00:15:31.860 like abortion is compassionate. Abortion is racial justice thing. It's bizarre to me.

00:15:37.900 I think it, it underscores, um, and particularly for the left, when you detach policy, um, and I'll

00:15:47.880 say this as a Christian, when you detach policy from a sense of objective morality, this is where you get

00:15:54.320 to, you get to the point where life is not, does not have inherent value. It has conditional value.

00:15:59.920 And one of those conditions is the economic security of the mother. And another is whether

00:16:06.240 the mother wants the child. And if you have those two, right, then you've got a green light. But if

00:16:12.880 you don't, if you're missing one of them, then it's, well, this is not, you know, it's not a good

00:16:16.980 time for her. She can pursue, you know, educational opportunities. So when Janet Yellen speaks in,

00:16:21.860 in, in one sense, she's actually being honest about how the left sees human life. She's reading

00:16:29.280 from a feminist script that was written a long time ago that says that the ultimate use of a 1.00

00:16:35.540 woman's time and energy is in the labor force. Um, that says that marriage and family are forces 1.00

00:16:41.600 of oppression. Children are opportunity costs because look at how much more you could be doing

00:16:46.420 with your life. Um, so it, it, I think you see all of those things coming together. And to,

00:16:51.680 to Shamika's point, they know exactly the buttons to push to, um, inflame may not be the word, but,

00:17:00.960 but to, to excite and flame the black community. This is what I call the Selma syndrome, 0.99

00:17:06.840 where they take America's racial history, right? Which at times has been very ugly. So, 0.79

00:17:12.280 so we don't have to paper over that, but what they do instead of saying, this is what happened then

00:17:17.780 and look how far we've come since then. They say, this is what is waiting at your door. So you need

00:17:24.580 to give us the power to keep from going back into Jim Crow, to keep from Brown versus board of ed being 0.96

00:17:31.540 reversed or loving versus Virginia being reversed. Um, and, and they know exactly the buttons to push.

00:17:36.560 Um, and, and when they do it, that's how you get to your point. Evangelicals, black and white, 0.89

00:17:42.000 the ones who talk about racial justice, the ones who talk about social justice and racial disparities,

00:17:46.740 who some of them have been against abortion for a long time, but because of the way it went about

00:17:54.080 of, of, if Roe was overturned, because they will have to give some of that credit to the former

00:18:01.220 president, to president Trump, they want to get as far away from that as possible.

00:18:05.460 So now the talking point is, well, you, if Roe's overturned, you Christians better show that

00:18:10.760 you're pro all of life from womb to tomb and you, we need bigger government and, and, you know,

00:18:16.240 the government is our dad and he needs to pay up. And, and I'm just like, no, no words of celebration,

00:18:23.000 no thanking God for his grace in this particular area, but it's, it's, so you see the secular left

00:18:29.160 left and the religious left, right. Who, who they're shedding their skin of, of theological 0.96

00:18:36.820 conservatism as we're, we're seeing that before our very eyes. I mean, there's some people

00:18:41.140 and I, and I'll, I'll end on this point. Um, uh, a lot of, some of your listeners may have

00:18:46.860 heard of Jamar Tisby, um, who's deep in the anti-racism game, used to work with Ibram

00:18:51.340 Kendi. I signed up for his newsletter because I'm a glutton for punishment. And he said that

00:18:59.440 him and one of his, uh, co-hosts on his podcast to self-identify Christian black men were talking

00:19:06.100 about abortion. And if you just read it, you would never think that these were two Christian

00:19:10.740 black men because they had all the talking points. We're men, so we shouldn't talk about 1.00

00:19:14.480 this. Um, this is safe activism for white conservatives, white, uh, conservatives use

00:19:20.600 Roe versus abortion. Um, uh, they talk about the disproportionate effect it has on black folks

00:19:27.060 and they use that against us. And at no point did he ever talk about the obligations that men,

00:19:32.540 including black men have to the mothers of their children, um, and the children themselves. It's 0.96

00:19:38.140 always about more government spending and more of what white people should be doing to help. Um, 0.52

00:19:46.440 I'm assuming he thinks to help black folks. And you see all of that playing out, even in the words 0.99

00:19:51.940 that Janet Yellen said to Tim Scott. Both of y'all are touching on kind of emotional manipulation that

00:19:58.720 you think are used against black people to try to, I guess, just fundamentally get them to keep 0.88

00:20:03.780 voting Democrat and to believe that, you know, their real enemy is white supremacists or white 0.95

00:20:09.080 evangelicals. Um, why do you think that is effective? Because I think it's about 92% of black 0.99

00:20:17.200 Americans do vote Democrat. And we're even talking about people that maybe we would consider

00:20:22.140 conservative Christians in some ways, at least as far as like sexuality and stuff goes, they still

00:20:27.800 will vote Democrat. I mean, why, why do you think that is? Personally, for me, it's the way I was

00:20:35.380 raised and not necessarily at no time. Did my family sit me down and say, Hey, you have to be a

00:20:42.040 Democrat. Yeah. But I remember when Ronald Reagan won and I remember my family saying things like, Oh my

00:20:50.740 God, this is the antichrist because his name was Ronald Wilson Reagan. He, he has six letters in each

00:20:57.800 name. And so it was six, six, six. Yes. And so I'm young, but I remember this and I went to,

00:21:07.640 that kind of stuff has been around for a long time because people on both sides still think that kind

00:21:11.380 of thing now. Yeah. And I went to a, an all black school so I can remember teachers just being, you

00:21:18.480 know, saying pretty much this was horrible. So very early on, I formed white Democrat, good, 0.93

00:21:27.460 because they love Jimmy Carter, white Republican bad. Now this is me at six, five, five, six years old

00:21:36.480 being able to make that correlation just by what I'm hearing everyone say. And then growing up in the

00:21:42.940 black church, we always had Democrats to come during election time to speak in the church. And this was

00:21:49.640 just, they were who, you know, we had our arms open to. So I always thought Democrat is for us. And it

00:21:57.980 wasn't until I got older, actually when Obama was in office, because I was one of the people that voted

00:22:04.600 for him because he was black. So actually when he was in office, I started seeing things that didn't line

00:22:12.620 up and it's made me think this doesn't line up with what I actually believe. Like what was it and what

00:22:19.000 kind of gave you that revelation? Well, for one, he seemed to push a lot of the LGBTQ agenda. And for

00:22:27.680 me, that didn't line up with Christian values. And I was raised in the church. So I'm like, wait a minute,

00:22:34.220 that's not looking right. And I saw a lot of race and I kind of got caught up in it a little bit,

00:22:39.680 just feeling like, oh, I'm black. So I'm automatically oppressed. It didn't matter that

00:22:44.960 I was living in a four bedroom, three bathroom house. It didn't matter that we had two Mercedes

00:22:53.460 and a Cadillac in the driveway. I was, I'm oppressed because I'm black. What do you mean? And so it just

00:23:00.960 had that message, that message of oppression. Do you feel like that was indoctrinated,

00:23:05.040 indoctrinated in you at a young age? Or do you think that Obama kind of exacerbated that or made

00:23:11.940 you feel that way? I think he made me see that I was wrong about it. But I do think that I was raised

00:23:18.520 again, nobody set me down, but just being observant and listening to people, I think I felt, okay,

00:23:25.200 we're less than. And then when Obama just began, when he was in office, a lot of things began to come

00:23:31.360 to light. And I'm like, that makes absolutely no sense. It does not line up. And so when people

00:23:38.160 ask me what made me become conservative or why do I identify with conservatism? It wasn't really just

00:23:46.560 like a certain light bulb that came on or a decision. I think I decided what I'm voting for

00:23:53.660 does not line up with what I actually believe, what I always have believed.

00:23:58.280 I think most black people are conservative. I think they just vote wrong. And thankfully, 1.00

00:24:04.680 I began to see the light around the time when Obama was in office. And I'm like, what am I doing?

00:24:11.440 So 2016, I knew for sure I wasn't voting for Hillary because absolutely not. I wasn't completely sold on

00:24:19.940 Trump because at this point, I'm going through the whole what's wrong with me that I hear him,

00:24:25.080 I understand what he's saying. I like, and I agree. They're telling me this man is racist. He's

00:24:31.680 misogynist, but I'm a black woman and I like him. Something's wrong with me. So, you know, it was 0.95

00:24:39.840 just kind of, you know, a gradual awakening for me. And I do think it started during Obama's term,

00:24:48.660 um, uh, his term is in presidents.

00:24:55.620 I think, um, part of what is going on, and I don't, I don't know when this change happened,

00:25:02.220 is that, um, blackness, however, people sort of define it, which historically has been, you know,

00:25:11.900 about skin color and phenotype and what people look like, eventually morphed into a political

00:25:18.160 identity. And the left is big on political identities, right? So when people say identity

00:25:23.040 politics, that's part of what they're talking about. Um, so I think it really, what really

00:25:29.360 brought it out was, you know, the infamous when Biden said, if you don't know if you vote

00:25:33.940 for me, the other guy, then you ain't black. And there were some people, one of them being

00:25:38.040 Nicole Hannah Jones, who said, let's not, she tweeted and deleted, let's not act as if we

00:25:43.140 don't know the difference between racial blackness and political blackness. Um, and even though 0.91

00:25:50.280 she was criticized for it, I think her assessment of what actually is, is accurate. And I think

00:25:55.960 that's how a lot of people and a lot of black folks look at it. It's like, um,

00:25:59.360 if you vote for a Republican, if I go in the barbershop and I, and I say, Hey guys, I'm

00:26:04.800 a Republican. No, they already call me a Republican, by the way. Um, and I say, Hey guys, I'm going

00:26:10.160 to, I'm a Republican. Somebody is either going to say or think this guy's a sellout. Now they'll

00:26:16.700 lie to you and say, Oh, it's about Trump, but it's not about Trump. Cause they, they said

00:26:20.720 the same thing about Bush, Reagan. Um, so it's not really about Trump, but it's the fusion

00:26:28.240 of those two things that I think is the big problem. Actually my most recent column for

00:26:31.880 the blaze is entitled, uh, the president's right. I ain't Biden black. And I go into talking

00:26:38.240 about political blackness, which in the spirit of, um, charity and attribution, I call Biden

00:26:44.660 blackness. That's my new term for it. And I say what it is, is the same thing we were

00:26:49.860 talking about before how, um, voting preferences get turned into a racial identity and how the

00:26:57.820 left's agenda gets wrapped in, you know, um, racial justice terms. And as long as that remains

00:27:05.940 the case, as long as the average black person feels like voting for Democrats and particularly

00:27:12.080 in national elections is the black thing to do is going to be hard to move people.

00:27:17.120 And then part of it is just in general, the status quo is, is what it is. Right. So that,

00:27:24.100 that level of inertia I've heard you say before, like, um, I'm paraphrasing. So forgive me if I

00:27:30.480 get it wrong, but it's like a dead fish can just sort of sit on the water. But I think the salmon has

00:27:36.980 to swim upstream. So it takes a lot more energy to go against the current than it does to stay with

00:27:40.640 the status quo. And I think that that, that inertia, that political inertia has set in over

00:27:45.820 the course of decades. Um, and it's hard to move people. And going back to what I was saying

00:27:52.340 in 2020, when the article started to come out, that a small subset of black men were moving towards

00:28:00.060 Trump after four years of being told he's racist, then you see what the left did. They got Maxine

00:28:05.620 Waters, they got Jim Clyburn. Um, I feel sorry for these people. These, these black men, oh, 1.00

00:28:10.180 their mother's an apology. They got the academics. They got the pundits to say that, um, black women, 0.98

00:28:16.360 black men vote for Trump because they hate black women or because they want to be like white men. 0.98

00:28:21.080 All of those things are meant to keep people in line. And unfortunately, um, we're at a point 0.99

00:28:27.360 and that we've been here for a while, but, um, within black America, quote unquote, you can be anything 0.97

00:28:34.500 you want to be, you can rap about selling drugs, shooting people. You can be, um, uh, you can be a 0.93

00:28:42.480 Cardi B want to be, um, you can do all sorts of things except be a conservative out loud and proud.

00:28:49.820 Yeah. Right. And if you are, then you will get smacked on the wrist and told either to get back

00:28:55.300 in line or get out of the community. So that that's one border wall that the left is actually

00:28:59.520 good with. That's how they police the culture. And they say, will you shame? Now we won't shame

00:29:04.520 you for doing black, white, Chinese, or candy strike. We won't shame you for doing all sorts of

00:29:08.680 crazy stuff. Right. But if you say you're going to vote for a Republican, right, that's where we draw

00:29:14.660 the line. Yeah. And it's not just emotional manipulation of black Americans, but there's 0.98

00:29:20.540 a lot of emotional manipulation towards white people and especially white Christians as well,

00:29:25.760 that we're not allowed to talk about certain things or we're not allowed to think about certain

00:29:29.740 things or bring certain things up. And I think that is, that's also part of the, like the bullying

00:29:37.100 and the intimidation to this narrative that the oppression of black Americans and the reason for all of

00:29:43.600 the disparities, whether they're economic disparities, graduation disparities, crime 0.94

00:29:47.960 disparities, abortion disparities, that they're all because of like the oppression of white people 0.68

00:29:54.280 and really white Republicans are like white Christian Republicans somehow. And it really is

00:29:58.760 kind of like the 1619 narrative that every disparity goes all the way back to 1619 when the statistics

00:30:05.000 just don't show that like the breakdown of both the black and the white family really started in the

00:30:09.100 1960s. The rise in incarceration and crime started before the war on drugs. It started in the 1960s.

00:30:15.800 It really started with the welfare state, but not just like the black family and black America,

00:30:20.320 but also white America in a lot of ways was negatively impacted and broken by that.

00:30:25.600 It goes back to these progressive democratic policies that they are, these policies are actually

00:30:32.260 to blame for a lot of the disparities that we're seeing today. But if you bring that up or you bring

00:30:37.560 up that, Hey, like maybe these behaviors or these values in any community would not produce good

00:30:45.060 results. And then of course, like I definitely am told that I can't say that or I'm racist. For

00:30:51.020 example, we talked about the other day, we were talking about the abortion issue. Something that you

00:30:55.560 hear a lot is that black women are more likely to die in childbirth, which is actually true, but there's a 0.73

00:31:03.460 lot that is covered up there. But then I was digging into the numbers and I actually found that the

00:31:07.700 number one cause of maternal mortality for all races, but disproportionately black women is actually 0.97

00:31:15.240 homicide, homicide by their domestic partners. And black women are like eight times more likely than 1.00

00:31:21.160 a woman of any other race to be killed while they're pregnant or postpartum. But again, I bring that 1.00

00:31:27.520 up. I get a million messages saying, how dare you bring that up? We're working on this. You just don't

00:31:31.820 know about it. And that's our job. I'm like, are you? Cause I never hear about it. So yeah,

00:31:36.440 anyway, there's just a lot of manipulation and intimidation. I feel like we feel like we can't

00:31:39.980 have open, frank conversations about it. Right. And when you talk about the maternal health of black

00:31:45.260 women, it would always stump me like, well, my great grandma had this many. And you know, 0.99

00:31:50.660 you look around and you see people would have nine and 10 kids and I'm like, well, they weren't dying.

00:31:56.860 So that's what kind of made me say something's not right about this. It's not simply because

00:32:01.520 they, because they're black, that they're dying. There has to be something else. And a lot of 1.00

00:32:06.860 people just won't do the extra research. They'll hear, oh, it's not good for black women to have 1.00

00:32:12.080 children. Okay. And they'll just stop at that. But common sense would say there has to be something 0.98

00:32:18.740 deeper than just skin color, look into it. And that's what I wish people would do more of is to

00:32:23.860 stop, not, not stop at skin color and actually look into it. Cause it doesn't make sense. When you think 0.98

00:32:30.260 about just your family having as many kids as they did in those times early, they would get started

00:32:37.240 very early and they would be fine. You know, drop a baby and go back to work. You know, drop another

00:32:43.600 one 18 months later. Right. You know, it has to be something different. And so I want people to start

00:32:48.420 doing a little more research and stop stopping at skin color. Yeah. Well, that would stop us from, 0.69

00:32:54.540 it also stops us from actually finding solutions to those things. Because if there is a reason that black 1.00

00:32:59.480 women are dying at a higher rate in the hospitals, and if we're only assuming that it's racism, well, 0.99

00:33:04.260 what if it's something else? Like what if it's hypertension or what if it's heart disease, which

00:33:08.040 is more prevalent, which actually that is the answer that's more prevalent among, among African

00:33:12.580 American women. But if we're not allowed to say that because it's racist, well, then people are 1.00

00:33:16.220 going to continue to die. Right. So it's almost like the solution, especially with Black Lives Matter 1.00

00:33:20.360 and stuff is not actually to save black lives. Right. No, it's not. Because Black Lives Matter

00:33:24.500 is more about white people, what white people think, say, and do. And this is the entire racial 0.70

00:33:32.480 justice scam is all about this. Right. It's not about black lives and prioritizing the needs of 0.93

00:33:37.900 black people. It's about punishing white people for what we believe their ancestors did, you know, 0.99

00:33:43.760 hundreds of years ago. And those two things are not the same thing. Being pro-black and anti-white are

00:33:48.640 not the same thing, obviously. But yeah, even as you talked about maternal mortality, I've seen,

00:33:55.240 you know, some of the research. What people often don't realize is that Hispanic women have lower 1.00

00:34:00.640 maternal mortality rates than white women, even though they access prenatal care less than white

00:34:06.480 women. So the straightforward racial narrative doesn't doesn't really hold. I do think a lot of

00:34:13.500 it. I think some of it is hereditary because obviously if you're predisposed to certain

00:34:17.760 chronic diseases that can make pregnancy more difficult. I don't doubt that some of it is

00:34:24.800 differences in care. But one thing that people don't really talk about, and this gets to part of

00:34:31.160 what you were saying in terms of homicide being the number one issue, is when you have a breakdown

00:34:39.440 in the order in terms of family formation, when marriage disappears, and you're in a perpetual

00:34:46.960 state of co-parenting from conception through child rearing, that introduces a level of stress

00:34:54.780 into a relationship that I cannot believe is good for women. I know I was on my best behavior when my 1.00

00:34:59.740 wife was pregnant with all our kids. And I told her, I said, you're at your most pleasant when you were

00:35:05.320 pregnant. She was like, I know that is true. But I was very cognizant. I didn't want to do anything 1.00

00:35:13.440 to stress her out. And imagine being in a situation where you're not married to the father of your child,

00:35:21.980 right, where he has not made any lifelong commitment to you or your kids. And if you are managing

00:35:30.060 relationships with other fathers of your children, all of those things are stressors. When you're

00:35:36.460 calling him and saying, hey, I have an ultrasound appointment today. Can you make it? And he's like,

00:35:40.900 I'm not, I don't want to be, you take care of it yourself. You expect to remain calm after that. So

00:35:47.520 I never even see that part of it come in because whenever it deals with disparities, racial

00:35:52.880 disparities, any issue having to deal with what black people can actually control gets taken off

00:35:59.240 the table. It's always structural this, systemic this. So I think that's one big issue. You brought

00:36:06.580 up something in terms of the guilt trip that's laid at the feet of white evangelicals. I don't believe

00:36:13.860 any white person. Certainly not any white Christian owes me anything other than the love that the

00:36:19.720 Bible says I'm owed as a fellow human being and brother in Christ. That's it. And in fact, what

00:36:28.120 they're doing both within the church and outside of the church is they're robbing me. They're robbing

00:36:36.900 me of my agency. They're robbing my children of their agency. When they say the key to Delano's

00:36:43.220 children growing up and flourishing, you know, they love that word is for me white guy to be a

00:36:52.840 better person, to make better decisions, to spend my money in certain ways, to send my kids to certain

00:36:57.920 schools. It's not about him. It's not about what he does. It's not about him and his wife, the

00:37:01.760 household that they create. It's not about their family culture. It's not about their values. It's

00:37:05.860 about mine. And that level of narcissism is, is robbery. And in the same way that Congress actually

00:37:13.480 has laws against stolen valor for people who say that they were in the military and they, you know,

00:37:17.580 I was, I, I won the battle of Pyongyang and all you did, you were a reservist for four years.

00:37:23.480 But to me, this is stolen honor. And I, and I, it really, I, it's the hardest thing for me to

00:37:32.440 control when I write or when I'm on social media, which I probably should not be on as much as I

00:37:36.980 am, is to not just go completely crazy on these people because I, I want their image bearers.

00:37:44.740 But when, when a man comes to steal something from me that belongs to me.

00:37:48.780 Yeah. It's patronizing.

00:37:50.560 It is.

00:37:50.940 It is.

00:37:51.500 And, and, and I know that that's what they're doing to my kids.

00:37:53.880 Right.

00:37:54.180 Yeah.

00:37:54.520 And, and I resent that. And I'm, I'm trying to ask God to work on my heart

00:37:58.120 because of that. But, but, but really, but seriously. So I, I, I just want whether it's

00:38:05.460 white person, Asian, Hispanic, black, to again, just give me what I'm owed. That's love.

00:38:11.320 Yeah.

00:38:11.620 Self-respect. That's respect. Right.

00:38:13.680 Dignity.

00:38:14.280 Dignity.

00:38:14.760 Yeah.

00:38:15.160 And I, and I'll do the same for you and we can live harmoniously in this world. But if you come

00:38:19.440 to me and tell me, you know, sit down there, boy, I, I, I got this.

00:38:23.900 I got this for you.

00:38:24.540 I'll take care of this.

00:38:25.080 Don't worry. No, you are oppressed.

00:38:26.680 Then, then we're going to have problems.

00:38:27.740 Yes, you are.

00:38:28.180 Yeah. Then, right, right, right.

00:38:29.040 Yeah.

00:38:29.980 Yeah.

00:38:30.560 Be quiet. You're oppressed. I'm, I'm working on it.

00:38:33.080 Right.

00:38:33.320 Then, then we're going to have problems.

00:38:34.620 That white savior complex.

00:38:35.980 Yes.

00:38:41.500 Listening to you say that, Delano, it makes me think about how every year at Christmas,

00:38:46.340 you have a lot of black people saying, I'm not going to let my child think that, you know,

00:38:51.440 and I don't want to say it. I don't know how many kids watch the show.

00:38:54.140 But if you, right, if you really believe that, then why the rest of the year do you wait

00:39:01.720 for this white person to come in and save you and take the credit for the hard work that

00:39:07.200 you need to do? 0.92

00:39:08.100 So you're saying at Christmas, black people say, oh, I don't want my kids to think some 0.88

00:39:11.640 white man is giving them gifts. 0.93

00:39:12.920 Yeah.

00:39:13.240 So I've seen it.

00:39:14.140 Yeah.

00:39:14.460 I've seen it.

00:39:15.060 Yeah.

00:39:15.400 But it's like, then the rest of the year, that's what you're waiting on.

00:39:18.400 You're waiting on the white man to come and give you a gift.

00:39:21.160 Yeah.

00:39:21.780 Wow.

00:39:22.580 Yeah.

00:39:22.900 That's a really good point.

00:39:24.220 That's good.

00:39:24.580 That's a good point.

00:39:25.400 You know, I see that like from the pulpit as well.

00:39:28.140 Like there are two different messages that kind of social justice pastors preach to their

00:39:32.360 white congregants versus their black congregants.

00:39:34.540 Their white congregants is like, oh, you have collective repentance to do. 0.57

00:39:38.440 You have collective, you know, grief and reparations to pay and you need to, yeah, divest of your 0.60

00:39:48.000 privilege, your whiteness and stuff. 0.96

00:39:49.740 And basically tell black people like you have exclusively been sinned against in all of your 0.99

00:39:55.440 problems. 0.89

00:39:55.880 Even the sin struggles that you have are probably a result of some kind of systemic oppression.

00:40:00.320 Well, that's leading people straight to hell.

00:40:02.760 Like if you think that your problem isn't that you're separated from God without Christ 0.95

00:40:08.600 and you think all the problems are really because of white people or really because of

00:40:12.960 one system. 0.83

00:40:14.400 I mean, you can critical race theory yourself straight into Hades that way.

00:40:18.700 Like both need the gospel.

00:40:20.440 Both are equally dead in sin apart from Christ.

00:40:23.320 Both need Christ in order to be saved.

00:40:27.060 And so it actually is.

00:40:28.340 It's a robbing.

00:40:29.220 It's a robbing for pastors to do that, to preach the gospel of repentance to one side 0.98

00:40:33.020 because of their skin color, because they can handle it, but not to black people because 0.98

00:40:37.120 they can't. 0.97

00:40:38.180 I mean, you, that means you don't care about them.

00:40:39.940 You don't love them.

00:40:40.560 You don't care about their soul. 0.98

00:40:41.560 You don't care if they go to hell because you would rather feel better about yourself

00:40:45.520 and then feel maybe better about themselves than preach the gospel, which is that we are

00:40:52.500 all equally dead in sin.

00:40:54.820 Correct.

00:40:55.620 No, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead.

00:40:56.960 I was just going to say, it seems that they get mad because I don't hate white people.

00:41:02.580 And it's like, am I supposed to? 0.52

00:41:04.860 Like, where am, where is it written that I'm supposed to hate white people? 0.92

00:41:09.220 And if you're a Christian, then you would know that's absolutely evil, you know, to 1.00

00:41:14.060 start with.

00:41:14.800 And so I now look at it like when people get mad or they want to say I'm a coon or Aunt

00:41:20.940 Tom.

00:41:21.440 It's just funny to me because I'm like, you're mad that I'm not walking around angry every

00:41:26.960 single day.

00:41:27.680 I thought that's where we were.

00:41:29.120 Well, that's what we were striving to be was happy and getting along with each other

00:41:34.140 and loving our fellow man.

00:41:35.800 But now you're telling me that I'm wrong because I don't walk around hating white people every

00:41:41.220 day. 0.91

00:41:41.620 It's crazy to me.

00:41:43.020 And I don't even understand how any preacher could stand in the pulpit and justify preaching

00:41:49.840 a message that would cause people to go out and hate someone because of their skin color.

00:41:55.140 Like, how can you do that and call yourself a Christian or a pastor?

00:41:59.820 You know, you should just like, that's just wrong to me.

00:42:03.280 Yeah.

00:42:03.540 I mean, it's bad ethics and it's bad Bible.

00:42:05.740 I'm thinking of Ezekiel 18 where, I mean, prophet, it's a long treatise in terms of the

00:42:13.720 son not being responsible for the sins of the father and the father not responsible for

00:42:18.120 the sins of the son.

00:42:18.780 And I mean, it's specific.

00:42:20.100 It talks about oppression and murder and so on and so forth.

00:42:22.660 And again, it's so patronizing because what ends up happening is that white people, both 0.99

00:42:28.640 in and outside the church, who think this way, believe that they are more responsible

00:42:33.780 for the actions of their great grandfathers than I am for the actions of my son.

00:42:38.320 And that doesn't make any sense because I'm raising my son.

00:42:41.100 Your great granddad is gone.

00:42:42.260 You don't even know what his name is.

00:42:44.960 And as I said, that type of thing is patronizing.

00:42:47.420 But the other thing, and I'm sure you've seen this, Allie, is that this type of

00:42:51.700 oppression based theology within the church, the evangelical, you know, theologically

00:42:58.840 conservative, quote unquote, church also is what silences women who are either feminist 1.00

00:43:07.700 light or reject complementarianism.

00:43:11.280 This is why they can't speak on anything having to do with transgenderism, because that would 1.00

00:43:16.160 put them in the oppression driver's seat and they don't want to do that.

00:43:20.340 And this is why they've been so quiet on the issue of abortion, because again, the more

00:43:25.900 they speak out publicly on abortion, particularly in light of the leak around Roe, the more they

00:43:31.740 get grouped in with the, you know, the hands made, handmade tales, Republican, Trump, ultra

00:43:38.380 MAGA crowd who they want to avoid at all costs. 0.75

00:43:41.320 So one of my earlier columns, which this is one of my favorite titles or concepts, is that

00:43:47.160 these women, right, both in and outside the church who have spent their entire lives fighting 1.00

00:43:54.080 for the rights of women and saying women have been oppressed and liberation.

00:43:57.240 I finally found a group of men that they can submit to.

00:44:01.260 Yeah.

00:44:01.740 And certainly on the trans issue.

00:44:03.320 And that's why you said they will not touch that.

00:44:05.160 Well, they're totally submitting to men who call themselves women. 1.00

00:44:09.380 They won't touch that with a 10 foot pole.

00:44:12.000 And if they do, they want to steer it back to a conversation about, you know, systemic oppression,

00:44:18.140 whether of black folks or of women.

00:44:20.920 But they can't hit these issues head on.

00:44:23.640 And in the same way you talked about, you know, that, that theoretical pastor, their theology

00:44:29.440 is, is boxed off because they can only go in a certain direction on certain issues and

00:44:35.740 anything else that, again, would make them play the role of oppressor, they won't touch

00:44:40.960 it.

00:44:41.420 Right.

00:44:41.780 Yeah.

00:44:42.160 I've noticed with a lot of women who I know to be pro-life, these are big Christian women 1.00

00:44:47.280 influencers I'm thinking of on Instagram and they are believers.

00:44:50.540 I'm not questioning that.

00:44:51.580 And they're probably conservative in most of their theology and maybe a lot of their

00:44:56.040 politics, but they're, these, this group that I'm thinking of is not so scared of being

00:45:01.280 like labeled MAGA as they simply are hurting their friend's feelings, who has a different

00:45:06.380 opinion than them, or like just getting criticism or getting comments.

00:45:10.540 And so I have seen a couple, there are a couple of people that I'm thinking of that

00:45:14.020 I'm like, oh, she said something about Roe.

00:45:16.160 That's good.

00:45:16.640 That's good.

00:45:17.420 But what I do notice, and I'm not, I don't want to criticize because I'm like, you know

00:45:21.080 what, you put it out there.

00:45:22.360 Good.

00:45:22.620 I know that was hard for you.

00:45:23.800 I know that you're worried about getting criticism.

00:45:26.140 The thing that I see though, is that it's so different from how they respond when like

00:45:31.300 police brutality happens or alleged police brutality, even if they don't have the whole

00:45:35.180 story.

00:45:35.920 Like with the abortion thing, the posts that I'm seeing from this crowd, they're so shrouded

00:45:40.660 in caveats, so much explanation, so much nuance.

00:45:44.880 Like, I know this is a hot topic.

00:45:46.340 I know this is going to hurt some people's feelings.

00:45:48.140 I know that this is complicated.

00:45:49.580 I know this complex, but me personally, I would rather not kill babies, but that's just

00:45:56.500 me.

00:45:56.860 Right.

00:45:57.080 Like, but then if it came to like, oh, that story, which ended up being bogus about the

00:46:02.100 border patrol, like whipping, it's like, this definitely happened.

00:46:06.260 This is racism and they don't, they don't even care.

00:46:10.200 And it's because it's not really about justice.

00:46:13.140 It's about what, or is the secular progressive side going to applaud and what are they going

00:46:18.420 to jeer at?

00:46:19.300 They don't want to take the jeering.

00:46:20.540 They really want to be liked by both camps so much.

00:46:24.200 They think that if they're winsome enough, if they're nice enough, if they're trendy enough,

00:46:28.380 if they give just an inch on some of like the more secular stuff, then, you know, they

00:46:34.180 won't be criticized and they'll just be liked by everyone.

00:46:36.680 But Stephen was full of grace and truth and he was stoned to death.

00:46:39.320 Yeah.

00:46:40.440 It makes me feel like they don't believe this one simple little thing.

00:46:44.980 If God be for me, who can be against me?

00:46:47.800 You know, if you really truly believe that you don't really worry about who's going to

00:46:53.160 be angry with what, with what you have to say, if you know, you're standing on the side

00:46:57.780 of truth.

00:46:58.240 And that's the way it is for me.

00:47:00.420 And I get so critical a lot of times of Christians.

00:47:02.940 I am a former, and I always say former, ordained minister because it makes me so angry when

00:47:09.840 I see people that profess to be Christians be so weak and be so timid and not stand up 1.00

00:47:15.600 for what they know is right.

00:47:17.240 If God be for you, who can be against you?

00:47:19.940 It doesn't matter.

00:47:21.200 When I say something and I really feel like I'm standing in truth and I really feel like

00:47:25.500 I'm standing on God's side, it doesn't matter the hateful comments that I get.

00:47:29.720 It doesn't matter how many people want to jump in my inbox and say something mean.

00:47:34.280 It doesn't matter if my neighbor gives me a weird look when I come out of the house, you

00:47:38.420 know, I'm like, I'm on the side of truth.

00:47:41.040 And that's all that really matters to me.

00:47:43.080 And I think a lot of people have really gotten away from that and they forget about that.

00:47:48.320 And so they are worried about what someone else is going to think and how they feel about

00:47:52.460 them and I just don't care because I'm going to hold him at his word, period.

00:47:58.120 You know, if God said it, then it has to be true.

00:48:00.740 So you're going to make sure I have a place to stay.

00:48:03.300 You're going to make sure I have food to eat and to be able to feed my children and I'm

00:48:07.840 going to be okay.

00:48:09.180 And I have to stand on that and believe that because look at what's going on around us.

00:48:13.840 I can't afford financially or spiritually to be weak and not do anything.

00:48:20.380 I can't afford to.

00:48:25.840 I think you hit on an excellent, both of you hit on an excellent point, which is both primarily

00:48:32.480 theological, but also bleeds into political and cultural as well, which is what people

00:48:38.300 need today is not better talking points.

00:48:43.100 We need more people with some steel in the spine because it's, as you said, and I've seen

00:48:48.520 that dynamic too, there is no nuance or grace or understanding for the alleged racist.

00:48:54.660 People have no problem going at them with the fury of a thousand sons.

00:48:59.740 Alleged being the key word there.

00:49:00.900 Correct.

00:49:01.020 But when it comes to issues, again, like abortion or even people who deny Genesis 127, whether

00:49:09.280 that's on abortion or transgenderism, then the argument suffers a death of a thousand caveats.

00:49:18.040 And I think, to Shamika's point, for people who believe that they have the truth and are

00:49:23.020 standing on God's truth, to be so timid and weak and mealy-mouthed is, to me, that seems

00:49:32.240 like it would be sinful because God is saying, I have said this, right?

00:49:36.080 If you say you believe me, trust my words.

00:49:39.180 Don't trust your own understanding.

00:49:40.740 But we say, no, God.

00:49:41.640 And part of it is because many conservatives, their highest desire is the respectability

00:49:51.780 of the left.

00:49:53.940 And this is why when they get in left-leaning platforms, whether it's the Atlantic or New

00:50:00.060 York Times, they always, at best, they'll tickle to the left and then they'll punch.

00:50:05.900 You're talking about Christians.

00:50:06.880 Christians, correct. 0.92

00:50:07.760 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.96

00:50:08.320 They'll tickle to the left and then they'll punch to the right. 0.94

00:50:10.560 But even some non-Christian- 0.93

00:50:12.000 So true.

00:50:12.220 Gosh, I can think of a thousand people that that describes.

00:50:14.580 We can rattle off a name.

00:50:15.200 So true.

00:50:15.960 But even non-Christians, right? 1.00

00:50:18.100 Even some, you know, congressional Republicans, it's easy for them to criticize the ultra-maga 1.00

00:50:25.820 crowd, which I heard a couple ultra-maga. 0.77

00:50:28.060 I said, you know what?

00:50:28.620 I just learned that phrase the other day.

00:50:30.660 Ultra-maga don't sound too bad. 1.00

00:50:32.280 Right.

00:50:32.680 But it's easy for them to criticize those people.

00:50:35.120 It's a lot harder when they're doing an op-ed in New York Times or the Atlantic to speak

00:50:41.340 truth as it relates to sex and gender because they don't want to be criticized by the left.

00:50:46.940 And I think once you realize that the left uses that fear of being shamed to control us

00:50:53.240 in the same way we talked about how they use certain tools to control black voters.

00:50:57.400 Once you throw that off and you say, you know what?

00:51:00.620 I don't care what you think.

00:51:01.940 Yeah.

00:51:02.360 I'm not going to let somebody who believes that Rachel Levine is a man and Leah Thomas

00:51:07.720 is a man tell me what I should think or dictate morals to me.

00:51:12.800 I'm not going to let somebody who thinks that a child should and could be aborted up even

00:51:18.240 to the point where their mother's dilating.

00:51:20.360 Right.

00:51:20.660 And you call you call that a reproductive justice and you use the prospect of rape to

00:51:27.580 manipulate me emotionally all while you would fight for the rapist to get off death row.

00:51:32.500 Oh, yeah. 0.98

00:51:32.880 Oh, yeah.

00:51:33.600 Under criminal justice.

00:51:34.880 They fight for them to get out of jail.

00:51:36.000 Under the guise of criminal justice.

00:51:37.820 I'm not letting people like that make me feel bad about standing on God's truth.

00:51:41.800 So you can call me whatever you want.

00:51:43.120 You can say whatever you want.

00:51:44.340 Whatever bad names.

00:51:45.540 As you said, we all get it.

00:51:46.740 The coon and the tom and the dancing raccoon.

00:51:49.240 Right.

00:51:49.720 Who cares?

00:51:50.600 Next, get another argument.

00:51:52.400 Yep.

00:51:52.800 Yeah.

00:51:53.180 And keep moving forward.

00:51:54.780 So that's what I would say.

00:51:56.100 And I think our silence over the years, that's why we're here.

00:51:59.420 Correct.

00:51:59.620 You know, I think a lot of people were silent when I think it was the baker didn't want to

00:52:05.140 make the cake for the two.

00:52:06.520 A lot of people were silent.

00:52:07.940 And now we wonder why we have kids transitioning at eight years old.

00:52:13.240 We were silent then when we should have been speaking up and when we should have been loud.

00:52:17.960 So now is not the time to be quiet.

00:52:20.200 We've been quiet for too long.

00:52:21.880 That's the problem.

00:52:22.720 That's why we're here now.

00:52:24.020 That's why we look like we're living in Sodom and Gomorrah.

00:52:27.320 That's why we look like we don't know if we're coming or going because we have been quiet for way too long.

00:52:34.400 Yeah.

00:52:34.780 Amen.

00:52:35.400 And for the Christians who think, oh, well, I don't want to wade into politics. 0.95

00:52:38.300 These are culture war issues.

00:52:39.760 It's too divisive.

00:52:40.540 Look, these are Genesis 1 issues.

00:52:42.360 Okay.

00:52:42.700 These are fundamentally theological and theologically fundamental issues.

00:52:46.360 They've become political.

00:52:47.840 The world will tell you they're political.

00:52:49.460 The world will tell you these are culture war issues.

00:52:51.180 But this really goes back.

00:52:52.720 Abortion, gender, sexuality, marriage, family, the big ones that are controversial that a lot of Christians don't want to talk about because they don't want to be unloving.

00:53:00.380 That goes back to the first chapter of the Bible.

00:53:02.280 So you're telling me as a Christian you can't even defend what the first chapter of the Bible says?

00:53:07.720 No.

00:53:08.060 No, this is theological for us.

00:53:09.820 People can call it political.

00:53:11.380 It bleeds into the political and cultural realm, but it's downstream from what we believe about God.

00:53:17.000 And you mentioned, you know, you think it's sinful, the death by a thousand caveats, which I love.

00:53:22.500 I'm definitely going to use that.

00:53:24.140 But you question whether it's sinful.

00:53:26.640 I think it is because when people try to soften what God's word says about sex or sexuality, gender, abortion, all that stuff, they're essentially saying that they are more loving than God.

00:53:38.060 That how God says something is not loving enough.

00:53:41.060 It's not nice enough.

00:53:42.200 It's not kind enough.

00:53:43.340 And someone who thinks that they should soften what the Bible says to appeal to the world, you're essentially making yourself God.

00:53:49.740 You're essentially saying, well, yeah, God said that, but let me let God off the hook here.

00:53:55.060 He didn't really mean that.

00:53:56.460 I know he said that, but let me tell you the culturally relevant, nicer, nicer way to put that.

00:54:03.160 You are saying that you are kinder than God.

00:54:05.640 You can't be kinder than God.

00:54:06.840 God is love, 1 John 1, 9.

00:54:09.540 That means, and we're not.

00:54:11.300 So everything that he says and does, he does out of love.

00:54:13.820 The most loving thing that we can do is agree with him.

00:54:16.260 And gosh, why wouldn't we have the courage to be loving?

00:54:19.780 That's the same way it is for the white savior complex. 0.86

00:54:22.540 When the white people feel like they need to fix what's going on with black people because we're so oppressed. 0.73

00:54:27.600 They feel like, okay, let me come in with my white skin, ride in on my white horse to fix what's going on. 0.93

00:54:33.740 Well, I don't need you to because someone rode in on a donkey and it's been done already.

00:54:38.440 You know, so I get so mad when I see people not really, you know, speaking up and speaking out.

00:54:46.880 And I'm like, can y'all come on?

00:54:48.720 Y'all going to make me put my collar back on.

00:54:50.480 And I really don't want to.

00:54:51.420 I need everybody to join hands and, you know, really speak out against these things that we know are just absolute error.

00:55:01.120 Yeah, absolutely.

00:55:02.420 I think that's a good place to end.

00:55:04.140 Thank you so much for giving the encouragement at the end, just like the call to courage.

00:55:08.360 We say a lot that courage begets courage.

00:55:10.640 So seeing someone stand up, take the arrows from the world and being willing to say, rather than looking at that person and saying, oh, I'm glad that's not me, standing up and saying, you know what?

00:55:20.520 I'll take those arrows too.

00:55:21.820 Whatever.

00:55:22.340 I believe that too.

00:55:23.700 I'm going to take that courage.

00:55:25.180 It's worth it, not just for us, but gosh, for our kids too, for future generations.

00:55:29.720 At the very least, we want to be able to say that we stood up when it counted.

00:55:34.640 One day, Jesus will come back.

00:55:36.320 Every knee will bow.

00:55:37.260 Every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

00:55:39.360 That will be the only day that, you know, perfect justice and righteousness reigns.

00:55:43.340 But until then, we are called to be obedient and that's what he gives us the strength to do.

00:55:47.520 So thank you guys for doing that and for giving us an example in that.

00:55:51.100 I really appreciate it.

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