Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 619 ｜ Pronoun Police Go After Brave Middle Schoolers ｜ Guests： Rose Rabidoux & Luke Berg

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00:00:23.580 All right, guys, we're halfway through the week.

00:00:27.500 I know that you guys are so busy with end of school stuff.

00:00:31.880 It seems like May has just been flying by.

00:00:34.820 There are so many activities that you guys, you moms who have kids in school are doing.

00:00:40.120 Why?

00:00:40.800 Why do schools make the last month so incredibly chaotic?

00:00:47.820 Like, can this not be spread out over a few months?

00:00:51.060 Like, I don't know, started in March or something like that.

00:00:53.960 But then maybe it's good.

00:00:54.940 Maybe after all those activities are done, you can just take a collective deep sigh of

00:00:59.940 relief because it is summer.

00:01:02.100 I love summer.

00:01:03.100 It's my favorite season.

00:01:05.760 Although where I am, it has been as hot as Hades almost, probably not quite since like

00:01:11.940 March.

00:01:12.960 And so if you're looking, I don't know, you can't really tell with this lighting, but

00:01:15.700 if you're watching on YouTube, I'm like already pretty bronze.

00:01:19.320 Who knows how I'm going to look by the end of the summer?

00:01:21.100 So I'm excited about that.

00:01:22.500 I love summer.

00:01:23.100 Hope you guys have fun summer plans and that you are planning to relax.

00:01:27.960 Oh, speaking of all of that, that's what I was going to say.

00:01:30.940 Next week, we are Relatable is taking a week off just to have a break, not really for any

00:01:37.540 reason.

00:01:38.220 We are not going to be putting out any new episodes until after Memorial Day.

00:01:43.340 I can't remember if we decided to do some replay episodes.

00:01:46.560 We'll probably do that.

00:01:47.940 We'll probably have some content to put out that we pre-record this week as far as videos

00:01:53.260 and stuff go, but no new Relatable episodes next week or the following Monday.

00:01:59.500 We will be back the Tuesday after Memorial Day.

00:02:03.380 I know.

00:02:04.160 I know.

00:02:04.620 I'm sorry.

00:02:05.480 You guys are going to miss Relatable, but that's okay.

00:02:08.040 Absence makes the heart grow fonder.

00:02:09.720 I'm sure that we will have a very fiery episode coming back the Tuesday after Memorial Day.

00:02:13.480 All right.

00:02:14.740 Speaking of fiery episodes, today is going to be an awesome episode because we've got

00:02:18.820 quite a few things to talk about.

00:02:20.440 I'm really excited for you to listen to the last part of today's episode.

00:02:23.940 I am interviewing a woman named Rose Rabideau and her attorney.

00:02:28.200 And the reason that we are talking is because Rose's son, he is an eighth grader at a public

00:02:33.120 school in Wisconsin.

00:02:34.300 He is being charged by the district along with two of his friends with sexual harassment.

00:02:39.920 Now, why is he being charged with sexual harassment?

00:02:42.180 It is because he and two other male students referred to a female student who recently said

00:02:50.620 that she is non-binary and wants to go by they, them.

00:02:54.720 These male students referred to this quote unquote non-binary student by she, her pronouns.

00:03:04.420 They weren't trying to be malicious.

00:03:06.500 They weren't trying to purposely be impolite, but they use she, her pronouns.

00:03:10.240 Now, the district is charging them with sexual harassment.

00:03:13.940 You can imagine what a nightmare this has been for the family.

00:03:16.800 So we're going to talk to Rosemary and we are also going to talk to her lawyer.

00:03:21.760 Is how far is this charge going to go?

00:03:24.800 What is this going to look like?

00:03:26.560 Is this a legitimate charge?

00:03:28.620 Is this actual sexual harassment?

00:03:31.040 What do other families need to know who could be potentially facing something like this?

00:03:36.360 And so we're going to get into that discussion with them.

00:03:40.200 You are going to learn a lot from that and you're going to have the opportunity to, to send this family support.

00:03:46.060 Because as you can imagine, they really need that.

00:03:48.680 They really need that right now.

00:03:50.240 We are really kind of continuing the conversation that we had yesterday with Kirk Cameron.

00:03:55.960 He is, he has recently finished a documentary about the homeschool awakening that is happening across the country.

00:04:03.020 And he has been targeted by the left because of that, because he has talked about the problems with our public education system in the United States.

00:04:11.240 If you haven't listened to that episode, definitely go listen to yesterday's conversation with Kirk Cameron.

00:04:17.700 But this is kind of, this is kind of a part two of that in really highlighting the serious issues that we are having in public education in the United States.

00:04:30.180 And just some of the progressive craziness that is coming out of our education system.

00:04:36.420 We really need to be aware as parents, whether or not your kids are in public school, of what kind of ideology is really pervading our schools.

00:04:47.440 Because you might think you're insulated because you live in a conservative area and you know your kids, your kids teachers, or maybe your kids go to private school or maybe your kids are homeschooled.

00:04:58.520 So you think this is irrelevant.

00:05:00.120 It's actually very relevant to all of us because we share a society.

00:05:03.780 We are not kind of in these little segments that don't overlap just because your kids go to private school and not public school.

00:05:13.280 Like the future generation, how they're educated, the things that they are learning, the values that are being instilled in them, that has an effect on all of us.

00:05:21.920 That has an effect on the future of our countries.

00:05:24.200 It has an effect on the future of elections.

00:05:27.720 It has an effect on their own mental health.

00:05:30.860 And so we really need to be paying attention because the vast majority of young people in this country do attend a public school.

00:05:38.460 And just the rot and the toxicity that we have seen characterizing so much of the curriculum that is being taught in these public schools, it's really troubling.

00:05:50.160 And as I said, it really matters.

00:05:51.980 All right, let me tell you about some of these crazy stories that are happening in the education system.

00:05:59.700 And also, after we have the conversation with Rose Rabideau, I'm going to give you a little bit of an update on the whole formula crisis that's been happening.

00:06:07.840 This is, I guess, if you wanted to put this episode under one umbrella, it would be a message to moms and the things that are affecting kids and the policies that are specifically affecting kids.

00:06:20.940 And again, another example of why politics and the so-called culture war issues happen so or matter so much.

00:06:30.060 So there was, there is a Christian school in Louisville, Kentucky.

00:06:34.420 There's a Christian academy there that is under fire by the mainstream media.

00:06:40.660 I first read this story, I think, in the Courier Journal.

00:06:44.240 They are under fire because they gave an assignment to middle schoolers that encouraged them to write a letter by citing scripture to a friend who has decided that they are gay.

00:06:59.420 So let me read you some of the assignment and then I'll explain why people are freaking out.

00:07:05.320 Although when I read the assignment, you're probably going to be able to understand why progressives and people who are not Christian, people who don't have this belief system are freaking out about this.

00:07:16.280 So this was assigned again to middle schoolers at this Christian academy in Louisville. 0.55

00:07:21.600 This is a letter to a homosexual friend.

00:07:23.920 The qualification for this being an excellent letter would be that the letter communicates truth lovingly and clearly from scripture with obvious logical argument to persuade.

00:07:34.480 Good would be considered a letter that communicates or a letter that is good that is considered good would be one that communicates truth in a way that lacks love or clarity loosely based on scripture and logic to persuade.

00:07:46.920 Fare would be fair would be fair would be fair would be fair.

00:07:58.140 Fair would be letter communicates at least one truth with little love or clarity without reference to scripture or the use of logic and persuasion.

00:08:05.660 And so that's kind of the summary of the assignment and the qualifications for excellence.

00:08:17.980 And that kind of tells you what the goal is, that these students are to learn how to present

00:08:25.040 an argument that is loving, that is gentle, that is kind, and yet is solidly based on

00:08:31.500 scripture.

00:08:32.020 And so the prompt says that they are trying to persuade the person that they are writing

00:08:38.300 to of the goodness of God's design for them.

00:08:42.840 The teacher wants the students to learn how to lovingly and compassionately speak the truth

00:08:47.860 to the person that you're talking to in a way that does not approve of any sin.

00:08:54.860 The prompt says that you assume that you have known this friend since kindergarten, you go

00:08:58.800 to the same church, that you've been pretty good friends until now, this friend is your

00:09:03.520 same age, and you are, again, supposed to convince this friend of the goodness of God's design

00:09:09.980 and to show them that homosexuality will not bring them satisfaction.

00:09:13.720 So you can understand how someone who does not have this worldview, who does not believe

00:09:19.480 that the Bible is authoritative, who doesn't believe in a Christian belief, would be offended

00:09:25.400 by this, would not like this particular assignment.

00:09:29.400 But look, understand that this has been the Christian belief system in the marriage of one

00:09:38.340 male and one female, one man and one woman, since not just the beginning of Christianity,

00:09:43.260 but the beginning of Judaism, the beginning of time.

00:09:47.340 You go to the first chapter of the Bible, and God explicitly defines marriage as between

00:09:54.380 one man and one woman.

00:09:56.580 He also defines our gender as male or female.

00:10:00.620 This is part of being made in God's image.

00:10:03.540 So this has been the Orthodox traditional belief of the Christian church for thousands of years.

00:10:11.020 And so this assignment, while I understand why it would be offensive to some people,

00:10:14.880 should not be surprising to anyone.

00:10:16.860 It should not take anyone aback.

00:10:18.960 And yet, the Courier-Journal reported this and said that, so there was a father, J.P. Davis.

00:10:31.440 He is a Kentucky-based business owner.

00:10:33.420 He posted screenshots of the assignment on social media and said that he was shown the homework

00:10:41.000 by a close friend with a child who attends the Christian Academy of Louisville, who was

00:10:48.380 visibly and understandably upset about the assignment.

00:10:50.720 So the person who originally posted about this on social media does not have a student that

00:10:54.880 attends this academy, but has a friend who has a child who attends the academy.

00:11:02.780 And then the Christian Academy of Louisville School System Superintendent Darren Long said,

00:11:11.080 according to the Courier-Journal, that the assignment had been given to students in a

00:11:14.440 middle school Bible elective class.

00:11:16.700 It was part of a unit of study which discusses what are humans and where is their identity,

00:11:20.820 Long wrote.

00:11:21.380 And in context, how was how a person could discuss homosexuality with a friend from a 0.66

00:11:25.340 biblical perspective with compassion and love?

00:11:29.060 And the Courier-Journal goes on to say, the Christian Academy School System is a private

00:11:33.480 school system in the region with a Christianity-based curriculum.

00:11:37.480 It has four campuses in Louisville and Southern Indiana.

00:11:42.260 More than 3,000 children are in the school system.

00:11:47.440 And then the man who originally posted the screenshots, who apparently is upset about this, said this,

00:11:54.460 the statistics speak for themselves on suicide among LGBTQ plus people and these seventh graders

00:11:59.700 that are being subjected to hate and division and are being subjected to hate and division.

00:12:04.420 And it's not necessary.

00:12:05.660 I know it's a Christian school, but that's not my Christianity. 0.96

00:12:08.320 That's not my values.

00:12:10.060 That's not what Jesus, if they want to make that argument represented, Jesus didn't go around

00:12:13.940 asking people to judge and tell other people how they're wrong and shame.

00:12:19.440 Man, what superficial theology.

00:12:22.420 A 2002 Cal graduate with ties to the school, Kylie Marcy, told the Courier-Journal that

00:12:27.360 she was outraged when she heard about the assignment Friday morning through a social media post.

00:12:31.860 She said she immediately reached out to other alumni as well as parents who have kids at

00:12:36.500 Cal.

00:12:37.220 She was angry, she said, but she was not surprised.

00:12:41.360 Marcy said the text and contents of the assignment indicate it was homework issued in the school's

00:12:46.100 Christian worldview class.

00:12:48.640 If you look on Twitter, there are a lot of people who also have the outraged reaction.

00:12:53.380 They think that this is terrible, scary indoctrination, that this is somehow going to contribute to 0.69

00:12:59.440 kids who identify as gay or transgender, hating themselves and committing suicide. 1.00

00:13:03.460 Again, that is always the manipulation tactic that you are not allowed to have the belief or 0.97

00:13:09.140 state the belief, articulate the belief that Christians have had for thousands of years about

00:13:13.080 sexuality and gender or else you are pushing people to the brink of suicide.

00:13:16.120 And, you know, actually, LGBTQ advocacy groups have warned against using that talking point

00:13:21.860 because there just isn't very good data at all on the rate of suicide among among people

00:13:30.280 who identify as gay or transgender, because when someone commits suicide, the people aren't 0.99

00:13:36.540 necessarily like there is no one there is no data collection service that is then asking or

00:13:43.040 even the hospital is not even asking, well, what was this person's gender identity?

00:13:48.100 What was this person's sexual orientation when they committed suicide?

00:13:51.180 So the numbers that you're seeing are largely guesstimates based on maybe what the family or

00:13:56.700 friends would report.

00:13:57.580 There's no official system that says, OK, let us make sure that we know the gender identity

00:14:03.280 and sexual orientation of every young person who is committing suicide.

00:14:06.640 And there certainly is no objective data showing that the reason that these students, if you

00:14:12.280 even know their sexual orientation or gender identity before they commit suicide, why they

00:14:17.220 are committing suicide.

00:14:19.340 I don't think that there is any objective causal relationship that you can find between, oh,

00:14:26.640 well, there are these Christians over here who have Christian belief about sexuality and

00:14:30.640 all of these teenagers who identify as gay who are committing suicide because of these people 0.99

00:14:35.320 over here who have this belief system. 0.98

00:14:37.640 It is a manipulation tactic.

00:14:39.280 There's not actually data that proves that kind of correlation or that kind of causation.

00:14:44.640 It is an intimidation tactic to say that you aren't really being loving.

00:14:48.300 You aren't really being godly or biblical if you believe what Christians have believed for 1.00

00:14:52.080 thousands of years.

00:14:53.160 Look, I think this is an incredible assignment.

00:14:55.240 I'm actually very encouraged that young people are learning to think logically, to think biblically,

00:15:00.600 and then to articulate that.

00:15:02.120 There are several times in this assignment where these kids are told, hey, you need to

00:15:06.460 do this with love.

00:15:07.340 You need to do this with gentleness.

00:15:08.680 You need to let this person know that you still love them as a person, that they're someone

00:15:11.980 that's made in the image of God, but that this is what you believe as a Christian based

00:15:16.480 on what the Bible says.

00:15:18.180 I mean, we would be so much better off as a church.

00:15:21.360 We would be so much better off as a country if we had more young people who were able to 1.00

00:15:24.760 think critically and biblically.

00:15:25.980 You don't have to agree with it.

00:15:27.380 You can be offended by it.

00:15:28.860 You can be outraged by it.

00:15:30.340 And, you know, I understand that if you have a contradictory worldview or if you feel like

00:15:34.620 this violates or offends the lifestyle that you have chosen to live.

00:15:39.360 But this is a private school.

00:15:41.180 This is a private school.

00:15:42.340 Parents are paying for their kids to go to this school so they have this kind of curriculum.

00:15:47.960 And as I said, this is what Christians have believed for thousands of years.

00:15:52.280 And this person, this dad who is outraged, who I'm sure is some kind of activist saying,

00:15:57.260 oh, that's not my Christianity.

00:15:59.000 That's not my Jesus.

00:16:00.020 Yeah, because you don't actually worship the Jesus of the Bible.

00:16:03.900 You don't.

00:16:04.600 You don't.

00:16:05.440 Because people like to say, oh, Jesus never talked about sexuality.

00:16:09.480 Jesus never talked about marriage.

00:16:11.340 Well, that just shows that, okay, then you don't actually worship the triune God that the

00:16:15.920 Bible describes because Jesus is God.

00:16:18.540 So everything that God says in the Old Testament, everything that God is, Jesus says and is also.

00:16:24.160 Read John 1.

00:16:26.180 The Word is God.

00:16:28.660 And so this is just an entirely superficial understanding of what the Bible is.

00:16:34.740 And by the way, as we've talked about many times, Jesus does talk about marriage.

00:16:38.880 He does define marriages between a man and a woman in Matthew 19, 4 through 5.

00:16:44.360 A man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.

00:16:51.100 He is talking in the context of divorce, but obviously he is reiterating and reemphasizing

00:16:57.440 the created order, what God created as marriage.

00:17:00.280 As we have said many times, we've used this alliteration that we came up with a couple years ago.

00:17:06.600 The definition of marriage and holy sexuality, according to the Bible, is rooted in creation,

00:17:11.660 Genesis 1, 27.

00:17:13.120 It's reiterated throughout Scripture.

00:17:14.940 It's repeated by Jesus himself in Matthew 19, 4 through 5.

00:17:18.260 It is representative of Christ in the church, as we read at the end of Ephesians 5.

00:17:24.540 And therefore, because it is representative of Christ in the church,

00:17:27.520 in that a wife is to submit to her husband as to the Lord, 0.91

00:17:31.860 and a husband is supposed to love his wife as Christ loves the church,

00:17:35.780 it's representative of Christ in the church, and therefore it is reflective of the gospel,

00:17:40.900 the Bible, and therefore all of human history starts with a marriage between a man and a woman.

00:17:44.940 It ends with a marriage between Christ, who is the bridegroom, and the church, who is the bride. 0.57

00:17:51.020 It is wildly significant because it is not just physically significant for the purposes of

00:17:56.540 procreation, but it is also spiritually and eternally significant because of the representation

00:18:01.980 that it is of Christ in the church, and therefore the gospel itself.

00:18:07.080 We also see it in commandments, like honor your father and mother.

00:18:11.340 That's the first commandment, with a promise.

00:18:14.200 And so the definition of marriage as between a man and a woman is seen throughout Scripture.

00:18:19.260 It is a core tenet of the Christian faith.

00:18:21.600 And if you don't understand that, or if that's something that you deny as someone who professes

00:18:25.240 to be a Christian, you're not just denying some, you know, extrapolated, extracted verses

00:18:30.080 from the Old Testament.

00:18:31.280 You are actually denying something that God says not only has creation significance,

00:18:36.780 but has eternal significance.

00:18:38.320 You are denying a fundamental core tenet of Christianity.

00:18:42.140 So this person, J.P. Davis, because he doesn't actually worship Christ, of course, he is offended

00:18:46.520 by something like this.

00:18:48.380 But I encourage this, I encourage the school to stand firm.

00:18:53.160 I encourage the school to stand strong.

00:18:55.100 To know that, yes, of course, the world is going to be very angry.

00:18:58.780 They're going to be very hostile.

00:19:00.240 They're going to try to launch arrows at you. 0.98

00:19:02.080 They're trying, they're going to try to take you down.

00:19:03.820 They're going to try to cancel you.

00:19:05.320 They're going to try to dox the student.

00:19:07.200 That is to be expected when you stand against the popular sexual moral dogma of the day.

00:19:14.420 Yeah, that's just, that's what's going to happen.

00:19:17.820 But you stand firm.

00:19:19.080 You double down.

00:19:20.380 If God says something is good and right and true, and if God, who is love, as 1 John 1

00:19:26.160 9 says, says that something is right or says that something is wrong, the most loving

00:19:30.860 thing that you can do is agree with God.

00:19:33.580 Not agree with the world.

00:19:35.120 You don't agree with the world's convoluted definition of love.

00:19:38.820 So good for this particular school.

00:19:41.580 I pray and hope that they stand strong.

00:19:43.160 If there's any way that you can send support to them to stand strong, even amidst the hostility

00:19:48.460 that they are receiving, I encourage you to do so.

00:19:52.680 All right, so that's what's happening at a private school that a lot of progressives

00:19:56.640 are mad at.

00:19:57.240 Now, what's interesting is that you don't see the same progressives mad at one of the

00:20:04.020 things that I'm about to talk about, about the kind of curriculum that I'm about to bring

00:20:08.600 up, which is really just so disturbing.

00:20:13.400 So you guys know we follow libs of TikTok.

00:20:16.400 You guys probably follow libs of TikTok.

00:20:18.660 You follow them on Twitter.

00:20:20.900 Maybe you follow their newsletter.

00:20:22.640 And basically what they do is they just post teachers saying in their own words what they

00:20:30.540 are teaching their young students.

00:20:31.760 We're talking preschool teachers, kindergarten teachers, elementary school teachers, middle

00:20:35.140 school, high school, all trying to push this kind of pronoun nonsense and this gender 0.98

00:20:40.440 confusion ideology onto students.

00:20:44.020 And forcing students to call them, you know, mix instead of Mr. or Mrs. or use they, them

00:20:49.880 pronouns.

00:20:50.680 There was a teacher recently who said that she does an exercise with her kindergarten students

00:20:55.560 about picking different pronouns on different days.

00:20:57.480 That is cruel.

00:20:59.180 That is a form of psychological abuse.

00:21:01.080 Kindergarteners are still learning how to use proper pronouns.

00:21:04.820 And they're still learning about their bodies and what it means to be a girl or a boy and

00:21:09.400 obliterating that, obliterating those categories that helps them put the world into context and

00:21:14.620 actually make them feel safer and make things feel more comprehensible and necessarily smaller,

00:21:22.080 more understandable for them.

00:21:23.800 Obliterating that is just sending them into a world of chaos and confusion and also could

00:21:30.120 send them down a path of questioning their own identity, which there are very serious physical,

00:21:35.720 lifelong ramifications to that kind of confusion that can often end in permanent sterility,

00:21:42.700 infertility, serious genital mutilation, body mutilation, all because of the power of suggestion

00:21:50.040 when they are so young by a person in a position of authority who really doesn't care how that child ends up.

00:22:00.040 We've talked about this many times, how parents bear the brunt of that kind of confusion and that kind

00:22:06.420 of outcome in a kid's life.

00:22:07.860 And so there's no place for that kind of conversation in a classroom.

00:22:11.700 There's just not.

00:22:13.040 But unfortunately, some teachers have become more and more brazen.

00:22:16.620 Not just in talking about craziness like that, but also in just talking about sexual subjects with kids.

00:22:22.160 And by the way, talking about things like gender identity to young children,

00:22:26.280 that is sexual innately because you are actually causing children. 0.58

00:22:31.760 You are talking to kids, even if you're not explicitly saying it,

00:22:35.460 about something that has to do with their private parts.

00:22:38.280 That's what you're doing.

00:22:39.100 You're doing it without the presence or the informed consent of the parent.

00:22:42.180 And in many cases, as we've talked about, the teachers, the school, the district is telling kids

00:22:47.620 not to tell their parents that this is not a conversation that they need to tell their parents.

00:22:51.440 And they do this under the guise of trying to protect kids from their parents,

00:22:56.620 which that in itself is a very dystopian way to see things, very brave new world kind of mentality.

00:23:04.540 But that is also, yes, a form of grooming.

00:23:07.100 You're talking to children about a subject that at least, at least implicitly has to do with their

00:23:13.460 private parts without the consent of their parent.

00:23:17.560 You are a groomer. 0.99

00:23:18.860 Yes, you are a predator. 0.98

00:23:20.320 And I don't care what the Washington Post or the New York Times or any left-wing 0.98

00:23:25.580 activist has to say about how that's healthy conversation to have with a kid.

00:23:30.380 No, that is a form of sexual harassment.

00:23:33.200 I'm sorry.

00:23:33.800 That is a form of grooming.

00:23:35.900 So the fact that progressives are angry that a Christian private school is teaching its

00:23:41.620 middle schoolers, its seventh graders, how to lovingly communicate a biblical position

00:23:46.520 on sexuality that Christians have held for thousands of years and not the fact that there

00:23:53.100 were teachers indoctrinating young kids with gender confusion and talking to them about inherently

00:23:58.680 sexual subjects.

00:23:59.820 That tells you a lot, right?

00:24:01.380 That tells you a lot.

00:24:02.220 That tells you that you as a Christian should not be the one apologizing or backing down or

00:24:05.660 ashamed at all about the things that you think kids should be taught, especially in private

00:24:09.700 schools.

00:24:10.060 And in this particular case, there was a story that was posted by libs of TikTok, then was

00:24:19.320 verified by various users, actually verified by the school itself.

00:24:25.880 So this was an assignment that was given to a four-year-old, a four-year-old.

00:24:33.460 This one happened to occur in Canada, where a teacher gave a worksheet, and we'll post the

00:24:43.860 picture of it on YouTube, that is part of a curriculum called Body Smart Right From The Start.

00:24:50.760 And here is what the prompt says.

00:24:52.780 Some children like to touch their own private body parts, and some children don't.

00:24:57.820 What places in your home are private?

00:24:59.700 Draw a picture of the private places where you can...

00:25:03.200 This is so disturbing. 1.00

00:25:05.500 This is something that a teacher gave four-year-olds, where you can touch your penis or vulva if you 1.00

00:25:11.400 want to. 1.00

00:25:13.000 All families have different rules about masturbation. 1.00

00:25:15.720 Touching your own private parts. 0.99

00:25:17.140 Talk to your trusted grown-ups about your family values.

00:25:20.660 So first of all, a child this young can't even read these things.

00:25:26.080 And so is this child supposed to go to his or her family and say, hey, this is my assignment?

00:25:35.360 As you can imagine, there was a teacher who was absolutely outraged about this.

00:25:41.040 So the worksheet, as I said, is adapted from a book called Body Smart Right From The Start,

00:25:44.820 targeting kids aged three to seven, aged three to seven.

00:25:49.300 So the person who alerted Libs of TikTok to this followed up and then said the school knew.

00:25:54.380 So the school said that they knew nothing about it, that they're investigating, that this was

00:25:58.340 something that just the teacher decided to assign, but that the school didn't necessarily

00:26:05.140 approve of it.

00:26:07.120 And so this kind of thing is what's happening, unfortunately, at schools, not just in this

00:26:16.580 country, but in Canada.

00:26:18.480 And this is Alert Bay, British Columbia.

00:26:23.180 That's where this school is.

00:26:27.480 And that is where the parent is who originally took to Facebook to complain about this.

00:26:34.080 And it was called, I don't know, I have no idea how to pronounce this because it's apparently

00:26:39.160 a First Nation school to Lissalagi Kalakawa school is part of the First Nation school in

00:26:47.240 Canada.

00:26:47.640 So that's where that kind of thing is happening.

00:26:50.080 And unfortunately, very similar things are happening in the United States, typically, unfortunately,

00:26:55.360 under the guise of gender identity.

00:26:58.040 And so, again, consider where people's outrage is placed here.

00:27:04.660 Should we really be upset about a Christian school that is teaching biblical sexuality to 0.97

00:27:09.560 its students?

00:27:10.200 Or maybe you should be more upset by the things that Libs of TikTok is posting, that public

00:27:15.200 schools are actively indoctrinating kids with such a harmful and shameful ideology.

00:27:20.720 Talk about, by the way, encouraging suicide.

00:27:23.080 Like, you know, the trans suicide rate is so much higher than the general population.

00:27:27.040 Even in places like Sweden, which is extremely progressive and accepting, it can actually

00:27:32.500 be tied to a lack of acceptance.

00:27:34.200 It's typically tied to the fact that these people have very serious mental health problems

00:27:37.640 that are not being properly treated.

00:27:40.720 So, again, it's projection.

00:27:42.400 The accusations are just a part of projection.

00:27:46.580 And we just have to make sure that we are seeing things as clearly as we can.

00:27:51.320 And, of course, as Christians, relying on what we know God says to be good and right and

00:27:56.820 true.

00:27:57.280 Romans 1 tells us that the world is constantly going to get things backwards, including where

00:28:02.560 they place their outrage.

00:28:04.520 All right.

00:28:04.860 Speaking of outrage, I am really looking forward to hearing this next story about this parent

00:28:11.100 whose son is being charged with sexual harassment for not using they-them pronouns at his middle

00:28:16.900 school in Wisconsin.

00:28:18.360 Thank you both so much for joining me.

00:28:22.680 Rose, I want to start with you.

00:28:24.560 Tell us about this story, how your son is involved in this.

00:28:29.400 How are these sexual harassment allegations made?

00:28:32.820 Just bring us to the beginning.

00:28:34.480 How did this all start?

00:28:35.580 Sure.

00:28:36.220 Sure.

00:28:36.700 Thank you again for having us on.

00:28:38.380 He, last month, a student came out as non-binary and told the classroom that they wanted to

00:28:48.580 be called they-them versus she and her.

00:28:54.340 And my son came home, Brayden.

00:28:56.980 He came home and he was really struggling with it because they and them are plural pronouns

00:29:01.980 and he wasn't sure how to use them.

00:29:06.280 He was worried about messing up.

00:29:08.140 And so I gave him the advice to just call her by name.

00:29:13.720 And so that is what he was trying to do.

00:29:16.300 He had, he, this is not a person he comes in contact with.

00:29:20.340 Um, he doesn't hang out with her.

00:29:23.540 Um, he, uh, was sticking up for a friend in music class.

00:29:28.980 She was shaming this friend for not using the proper pronouns.

00:29:32.560 And after he saw his friend being belittled, he finally stood up and said, he doesn't have

00:29:39.940 to use pronouns.

00:29:41.380 He, it's his constitutional right, um, to not use pronouns.

00:29:46.020 And so that was, you know, the, the only time he addressed her, um, when, uh, when he did

00:29:55.200 mess up, he apologized and, you know, used her name and, um, I received a phone call from

00:30:02.820 the elementary school principal who was the person who was just gathering the facts.

00:30:08.500 And he told me that I was going to be receiving an email, uh, with sexual harassment allegations.

00:30:16.140 Wow.

00:30:16.420 And I just, I couldn't believe it.

00:30:19.640 Of course.

00:30:20.340 I was floored.

00:30:21.300 So your son is in elementary school?

00:30:24.200 No, he's in middle school.

00:30:25.760 He's in eighth grade.

00:30:26.680 He's 13.

00:30:27.500 He's a young, uh, eighth grader.

00:30:30.020 Um, but they had put the elementary school principal in charge of gathering the facts.

00:30:35.900 Okay.

00:30:36.440 And tell me what has the process been like since that email?

00:30:40.420 Well, when did the email, when did you get the email?

00:30:42.620 And then tell us what has the process been like since then?

00:30:45.400 Sure.

00:30:46.200 So I, he called me on a Monday.

00:30:48.340 It was, uh, April 25th.

00:30:49.740 He called me, forewarned me of the email.

00:30:52.400 I received the email.

00:30:53.960 It was a one page kind of form letter with a blurb saying that he, my son was being charged

00:31:00.600 with sexual harassment for not using proper pronouns.

00:31:03.340 And then, um, he asked to set up a meeting with myself and Brayden on Tuesday, the following

00:31:11.360 day.

00:31:12.280 Um, we didn't receive any more information.

00:31:14.580 We didn't know who the complaint was about, um, um, we assumed, um, that it was about this

00:31:21.440 person, but we didn't know the details of it.

00:31:24.340 We had no idea what Brayden had done wrong.

00:31:26.600 Um, and he also said that I was, if I wasn't available, he would meet with Brayden on his

00:31:33.180 own.

00:31:33.660 And I told him, absolutely not.

00:31:35.580 I will be there.

00:31:36.640 And we went into a conference room where they typed up everything we were saying.

00:31:43.300 And he asked my son a bunch of questions and Brayden answered, honestly, you know, to the

00:31:50.000 best of his ability.

00:31:51.480 And that was it.

00:31:53.120 And when it was done, uh, the, the principal said to Brayden, do you have any questions?

00:31:59.700 And Brayden said, he sat there for a second and he said, yeah, I do.

00:32:04.460 What is this going to do to my future?

00:32:07.360 How am I going to get into college?

00:32:09.420 If I have these on my permanent record, am I going to be able to get scholarships?

00:32:13.880 I mean, it broke my heart.

00:32:16.760 I just, for him to be concerned about that when he's being a kid, when he's not being

00:32:23.080 mean, he is a, a kind person.

00:32:26.820 Right.

00:32:27.200 Um, so I, uh, the principal couldn't answer.

00:32:31.480 He just shrugged his shoulders and said, I don't know.

00:32:35.300 And we left and it took a couple of days.

00:32:39.300 I emailed him after, and I asked him for more detail.

00:32:42.480 I asked him for who had made the complaint and what the complaint was about.

00:32:47.220 And I, I received it Thursday afternoon.

00:32:51.040 So, um, and then I received it.

00:32:54.260 But as soon as that meeting was over on Tuesday, I reached out to Luke and asked them to help

00:33:02.660 me.

00:33:03.800 Wow.

00:33:04.080 Wow.

00:33:04.420 Just as a mom, I, my heart is breaking too.

00:33:08.160 It sounds like your son was trying to do the right thing and speaking up for his friend.

00:33:14.060 It is a very confusing subject.

00:33:16.840 It's very confusing, just linguistically, especially for young kids who are, I mean, they're still

00:33:24.600 learning in a lot of ways.

00:33:26.440 And so they're still learning grammar in a lot of ways.

00:33:29.580 And so that's a lot of pressure and a big burden to put on kids.

00:33:33.260 And I think that your son, he shows a lot of, he, he shows a lot of wisdom, I think, in

00:33:40.740 even considering what are the long-term consequences of being blamed for sexual harassment.

00:33:49.060 I mean, how is this going to affect my future?

00:33:51.060 I imagine that you as a parent, that that was so hard to hear just to see his little

00:33:56.820 wheels turning and his heart already hurting, considering his future prospects and how those

00:34:03.800 might be inhibited.

00:34:05.540 I'm sure this is just been such a strain on your family.

00:34:08.560 It has, it has, it's been a strain on my husband, myself.

00:34:13.320 I have a younger son coming up through middle school and what is it going to do to him?

00:34:20.280 How is he going to be treated because of these allegations?

00:34:23.640 But then are these allegations going to happen to him too?

00:34:27.560 Yeah.

00:34:28.160 It is, it is just a struggle and it, it's not just my son, it's, it's other parents too.

00:34:36.200 It's every, I mean, this is, this is everyone.

00:34:38.760 This is something that we all have to consider.

00:34:41.280 Luke, I want to hear from you.

00:34:43.580 Tell me what the charges are.

00:34:45.760 If you think that these stand up, like, is this sexual harassment under Title IX?

00:34:52.960 Tell us just kind of your first reaction and hearing what her son was being charged with.

00:34:57.940 Yeah, as you said, he's being charged with sexual harassment under Title IX and there's

00:35:03.960 nothing remotely close to this in Title IX.

00:35:08.420 You won't find the word mispronouning anywhere in the regulations.

00:35:11.600 You won't find it anywhere in the law.

00:35:14.140 Sexual harassment is typically meant for things like rape and groping and, you know, quid pro

00:35:19.600 quo sexual favors, really egregious stuff.

00:35:21.580 There's a catch-all for severe, pervasive and conduct that's so objectively unreasonable

00:35:28.440 that it effectively denies someone access to education.

00:35:32.360 And obviously, mispronouning isn't remotely close to that.

00:35:35.640 In fact, courts have even made clear that teasing and even gender-based insults doesn't 1.00

00:35:39.860 count under Title IX.

00:35:41.920 So this is, this is not even close to sexual harassment under Title IX.

00:35:45.500 But the district basically went nuclear with this, which should have happened if there

00:35:49.880 was an issue with students, they should have contacted the parents, they should have got

00:35:53.120 everybody in a room and talked about it and worked through it.

00:35:56.980 But instead, they just went to this, this really high level immediately without any warning

00:36:02.720 to the parents, without any prior discussion.

00:36:04.500 And that's totally inappropriate.

00:36:06.560 So we're, we're calling on the district to dismiss this and it's not too late for them

00:36:10.720 to do the right thing.

00:36:11.500 They can still de-escalate this.

00:36:13.020 They can still admit that this was a mistake, dismiss the charges, and then work with the

00:36:17.340 families on whatever issues need to be dealt with, but not through the formal Title IX

00:36:22.380 sexual harassment process when this is not even close to sexual harassment.

00:36:26.780 How and why do you think this escalated so quickly?

00:36:30.260 Like, what did the process look like on their end for this child, I guess, to complain to,

00:36:35.220 I don't know, a teacher or administrator, and then they took it to the next level?

00:36:38.480 How exactly does that work?

00:36:41.320 We don't know.

00:36:42.320 We don't know what happened on their end.

00:36:44.180 All we have is the things that they filed and the complaint was a one-page complaint.

00:36:50.680 The entire summary of the allegations is mispronouning and it was filed by the guidance

00:36:55.480 counselor.

00:36:56.860 So, you know, we don't know what the conversation was internally that led to this, but, you know,

00:37:03.200 it should not have been a formal complaint.

00:37:05.240 It should have been a conversation with the parents first and that didn't happen.

00:37:08.860 Is there a First Amendment right to so-called misgender a person, even if it's at school?

00:37:16.060 Yes.

00:37:16.660 I mean, there isn't a right, obviously, to tease and harass.

00:37:20.520 So, you can't use pronouns and name-calling to do that, of course.

00:37:24.300 But there are a lot of people who have a reasonable objection to the idea that gender is self-declared

00:37:31.180 and don't want to endorse that idea by using pronouns.

00:37:35.340 And that's okay for people to have that view.

00:37:37.020 There is a right.

00:37:38.120 I mean, there's a right to tease someone, correct?

00:37:42.080 You're just saying that they could get, a student could get in trouble for teasing someone,

00:37:47.180 but they shouldn't.

00:37:48.100 And I'm not saying that this is what Brayden was doing.

00:37:50.920 I'm just saying that if a student were teasing another student, that wouldn't be a violation of Title IX, correct?

00:37:59.600 Yes.

00:37:59.960 Yeah.

00:38:00.140 Teasing absolutely is not sexual harassment under Title IX.

00:38:04.480 You're right about that.

00:38:06.180 In education, in middle school, First Amendment rights apply, but they're different.

00:38:12.000 It's not the same as in the real world.

00:38:13.360 So a school can discipline teasing and bullying when that happens, even though the government generally couldn't punish somebody for teasing outside of the education context.

00:38:23.760 But again, it should be dealt with informally with the family, not through sexual harassment.

00:38:29.300 And there's just nothing here that comes even remotely close to sexual harassment.

00:38:33.760 Could a public school basically force, through the threat of school discipline, a child to use someone's preferred pronouns?

00:38:43.360 No, absolutely not.

00:38:44.540 And that would be a very clear First Amendment violation.

00:38:46.880 And that seems to be what the district is doing here.

00:38:49.380 Their position seems to be that once a student announces their preferred pronouns, any misuse of pronouns, so-called misuse, is punishable speech.

00:38:59.220 And they are weaponizing the Title IX process into the threat to force students to comply with that.

00:39:06.520 And that's totally inappropriate, a pretty clear First Amendment violation.

00:39:09.920 What do you think is going to happen?

00:39:12.880 But I know that you mentioned that they should dismiss it, that they still have the chance to do the right thing.

00:39:19.320 I don't know if you can predict.

00:39:21.580 But if you were to predict what you think is going to happen, how far do you think that they're going to push this?

00:39:28.660 You know, I don't know.

00:39:30.100 It's hard to say.

00:39:31.040 It just depends on who they are and how they respond to this.

00:39:35.700 People have a tendency, when challenged, to double down and lawyer up.

00:39:39.660 I hope that doesn't happen here.

00:39:41.600 I hope that they see the error of this and how this was taken totally out of proportion and dismiss it.

00:39:49.640 You know, maybe they won't.

00:39:50.940 And if they don't and they end up following through on this and punishing the students, then this could become a federal lawsuit.

00:39:56.220 I hope it doesn't have to get to that level.

00:39:58.040 But we're just going to have to wait and see.

00:39:59.440 And say that they were successful, which I just don't see that happening for the reasons that you have already listed.

00:40:07.460 Would this be something that is on the students' record, sexual harassment, for the rest of their lives?

00:40:14.160 Like, how would it potentially affect their future?

00:40:17.060 Yeah, that's not entirely clear to us yet.

00:40:20.540 The school hasn't given any of us clear answers about how this goes on the students' records and when they turn over records and who they turn them over to.

00:40:29.580 And so that's something we're going to work through with the school district after we get through the initial investigation.

00:40:36.140 So hopefully they will just dismiss it and remove the charges and it will all be over.

00:40:39.580 However, if they follow through and threaten to leave this on the students' records, then, you know, again, it may end up in a federal lawsuit again.

00:40:47.500 I hope it doesn't get to that level, but we're just going to have to work through that with the district.

00:40:52.140 Well, Rose, I just want to say that, I mean, you as a mom, you're doing what all moms would do.

00:40:57.400 You are defending your son.

00:40:59.600 You are standing strong.

00:41:00.880 I know that comes at an emotional cost, at least to you, not to mention the financial piece of this, that even if this is dismissed,

00:41:08.240 this has been a serious disruption in your families and in your son's life during a very formative year.

00:41:14.940 After, by the way, the past two years of all different kinds of disruptions for kids across the country because of pandemic restrictions and things like that.

00:41:22.860 And so how is your son dealing with this?

00:41:27.600 Well, it's really brought him down.

00:41:31.660 He's been depressed.

00:41:34.460 He doesn't want to go to school.

00:41:35.740 He used to love school and he doesn't want to go.

00:41:39.140 It is a fight every morning to get him going and get him motivated.

00:41:44.780 And he has never been like this.

00:41:47.260 He has a passion for school, a passion for reading.

00:41:51.980 And he's already planned on being a lawyer and he wants to go to college.

00:41:57.000 He has his colleges picked out.

00:41:59.220 And he is very concerned.

00:42:02.140 I do have to say that students and outlying schools have actually reached out to him and that has brought up his spirits.

00:42:13.180 The fact that he has other students behind him supporting him.

00:42:18.040 And then I tell him what people are saying and and what I'm doing.

00:42:22.600 And that brings him up and helps him out.

00:42:25.900 But, you know, it's embarrassing.

00:42:29.320 He's trying to fit in eighth grade.

00:42:31.180 You're so uncomfortable anyway in eighth grade in middle school.

00:42:34.300 And so this really beat him down when you're trying to find yourself and find your place.

00:42:41.320 You know, it's just another thing in the world to beat you down.

00:42:44.780 Yeah.

00:42:45.520 You know, doing the right thing is not easy, but it seems to be harder than ever for young people to go against the grain, to swim upstream,

00:42:55.120 especially when it comes to very sensitive issues like this because of because of social media, because of the various pressures that come from that.

00:43:08.000 And unfortunately, the political pressures and what I think is a politicization of the district and what seems like a political agenda on their end.

00:43:17.620 I just can't imagine what your son must be feeling if we want, if people in this audience, because we've got a large audience of moms who are going to empathize with you and are really going to feel a lot from hearing your story.

00:43:32.500 If they want to send you words of encouragement, if they want to support you guys in any way, how can they do that?

00:43:38.540 What's the what's the best medium for them to go through to send you words of support?

00:43:44.660 I think they could email me.

00:43:46.080 I can give you my email address and then I can forward them on to Rose and her son.

00:43:49.700 That's great.

00:43:50.180 My email address is Luke at Will-Law.org.

00:43:54.180 OK, we'll include that.

00:43:55.380 We'll include that in the description.

00:43:57.220 And I'm sure people will love to do that.

00:43:59.560 And this is also a Christian podcast.

00:44:02.500 And so there are going to be many, many families who are praying for you guys who are paying attention to this story and sending every kind of support that they possibly can.

00:44:11.040 So I appreciate you both for coming on and for sharing your story.

00:44:14.960 And I will be praying about this, too, because, gosh, it's it's heartbreaking.

00:44:19.980 And I know you guys need a lot of encouragement.

00:44:22.320 And I'm thankful, Luke, also for what you do and just defending people's rights, their constitutional rights.

00:44:29.340 Gosh, that's more needed now than ever.

00:44:30.700 So thank you both so much.

00:44:32.740 Thank you for having us on.

00:44:34.420 Thank you.

00:44:35.060 OK, so I guess I'll end this with some good news.

00:44:42.880 Today was a little bit of a maybe a sad episode because there are so many dark things that are going on in our world that seem to be specifically preying on children.

00:44:53.020 And that's why we continue to raise a respectful ruckus.

00:44:56.300 Raising a respectful ruckus, guys, about the baby formula shortage actually worked like that's why it is so important to make our voices heard, to complain about things, to even use social media as a platform to sound the alarm about important things that are going on.

00:45:10.760 Because for some people, the formula shortage was literally a matter of life and death, their babies were starving, they were diluting their baby formula, which you're not supposed to do just so that they have enough so their baby doesn't starve.

00:45:22.220 We talked about, well, we'll link the episode on the baby formula shortage and what I think was actually causing it that we did last week in the description of this episode.

00:45:29.580 But the good news is, is that apparently Abbott Labs, which has been closed down by the FDA, because according to the FDA, they weren't following the guidelines and they contaminated some of their formula, which led to infant deaths and other infants getting sick.

00:45:46.860 Abbott Labs, I think, has disputed that and said that it was not a manufacturing error.

00:45:52.180 This manufacturer, a large manufacturer of baby formula, has been shut down for three months.

00:45:57.080 And so the question was, like, why? Why? Why did it take three months?

00:46:01.340 Why has it taken so long for the FDA to say, OK, you can open back up?

00:46:05.600 I also think there are just sketchy things going on with the FDA, including the fires at the food processing plants.

00:46:12.500 That's not a conspiracy theory. That's just a guess as to why those things are happening.

00:46:15.840 It's either incompetence, which is probably the better guess, or malice coming from this, coming from the FDA.

00:46:24.180 Like, we've had a formula shortage for several months now before there was a recall and a shutdown of the formula that Abbott Labs was producing back in February.

00:46:38.480 And so we still don't fully know why there is a shortage supply chain issues, a labor shortage, low labor participation rate.

00:46:48.180 Yes, this recall. But there also seems to be a very sketchy portion of this perhaps coming from the FDA.

00:46:55.580 And what I also think is sketchy that after everyone was complaining about it, this really kind of blew up over the past few days saying,

00:47:02.480 hey, this administration needs to do something. There were journalists asking the press secretary about this.

00:47:08.620 Really, both sides were talking about this. And there was just a big uproar about this.

00:47:14.580 Now, now Abbott Nutrition, according to CBS News, has said that it's been shuttered since February,

00:47:21.140 said that they are likely to resume operations in two weeks, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

00:47:27.780 Under fire from parents and politicians, President Joe Biden's administration on Monday announced an agreement to reopen the largest domestic manufacturing plant of infant formula,

00:47:35.980 as well as to ease import rules to allow supplies from overseas amid a nationwide shortage.

00:47:40.860 Now, I am glad that the respectful ruckus has moved it in this direction.

00:47:46.780 Why did it take that?

00:47:47.820 Why did it take people talking on their podcast, people talking on social media, people sharing stories of not being able to feed their kids for this administration to do this?

00:47:58.300 Why did it take us?

00:48:00.140 It should not take us talking about something on social media for a change like this to happen.

00:48:05.800 Like, I understand that's part of democracy.

00:48:07.700 That's part of free speech.

00:48:08.940 That's why we raise our voices and that that is going to make a change.

00:48:13.200 Yes, but this administration has known we've known about a formula shortage for the past several months.

00:48:18.220 This administration knew about a formula shortage for the past several months.

00:48:20.880 The FDA has had these this Abbott lab shut down since February.

00:48:25.140 So if it just took some people talking about it on social media for Abbott and the FDA to come to an agreement to open back up,

00:48:32.500 why didn't that happen at the very beginning?

00:48:35.620 Like, why has it taken this long?

00:48:37.160 It should not take people talking about it on social media for the administration, for these government agencies to do something that they to solve a problem that has been persisting for several months.

00:48:49.100 I mean, this is wild.

00:48:50.740 This is wild.

00:48:51.440 There's something sketchy about this.

00:48:53.380 I don't know what's underneath all of all of it.

00:48:57.460 I mean, we've talked again about the potential factors.

00:48:59.980 But why?

00:49:01.300 Why has it taken so long?

00:49:02.820 Why have they pushed parents to the brink of desperation?

00:49:07.380 Is it because of the story that came out that showed that the administration is, I mean, they're required by law to do this,

00:49:13.820 but still they're sending baby formula to the border to feed babies of illegal immigrants.

00:49:19.280 I'm glad that they're doing that.

00:49:20.800 That's fine.

00:49:22.320 But instead of ensuring that American babies are not starving because they don't have formula, I don't think that that's right.

00:49:29.940 I mean, this is an American government.

00:49:31.720 They should be putting American citizens first.

00:49:34.160 That should not be controversial.

00:49:36.080 You shouldn't be feeding citizens of another country instead of, in addition to is fine, but instead of American families, that's just wrong. 0.99

00:49:43.880 But I am glad.

00:49:44.840 I am glad that there is, that hopefully that this change allows families to get the formula that they need.

00:49:52.780 We did a whole highlight.

00:49:53.940 I did a highlight about breastfeeding.

00:49:55.560 And if you're pregnant or you're going to be a new mom and you're freaking out about this and you don't know if you can breastfeed,

00:50:02.640 I did a highlight on that on Instagram so you can go check that out.

00:50:06.000 Hopefully that will offer encouragement and support for you.

00:50:08.880 I also saw that, what's her name?

00:50:11.380 The gymnast, Sean, what's her last?

00:50:14.780 Sean Johnson and her husband are doing like a formula exchange.

00:50:19.640 I saw that on her Instagram that there are moms supporting each other to try to get moms the formula that they need. 0.98

00:50:27.560 Your local pregnancy center, your pediatrician.

00:50:30.820 We shouldn't have to rely on these sources, but unfortunately, I guess we do.

00:50:34.320 So there are, thankfully, some answers out there.

00:50:37.400 And hopefully there is change coming.

00:50:39.640 And just good job.

00:50:41.520 Good job to all of you for raising a respectful ruckus about this and for recognizing how much these things matter and how much our voices really do matter and can help the most vulnerable.

00:50:54.600 We will continue to do that on this podcast however we can and encourage you to do the same thing.

00:51:00.520 Make sure that you reach out to our new friends, Rosemary, and her family through her lawyer to send them some encouragement and to know that you are there for them.

00:51:11.580 One more thing.

00:51:12.220 I got to end.

00:51:12.700 One more thing.

00:51:13.240 I forgot.

00:51:13.920 We have a new sticker and we have a new shirt, Millennials Against Low Rise Jeans.

00:51:18.580 We'll put a picture of that up on YouTube if you are watching it.

00:51:23.640 And we will put the link in the description of this episode.

00:51:28.120 Super cute.

00:51:29.020 If you're a millennial like I am against low-rise jeans, then you need to get yourself a t-shirt or a $5 sticker.

00:51:34.440 All right.

00:51:35.060 That's all we've got today.

00:51:35.960 We will be back here tomorrow.

00:51:37.420 See you guys then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 18, 2022

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