Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 620 ｜ MEGA Episode： The Dark Reality of Abortion Extremism & Left-Wing Terrorism

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. This episode is brought to you by, you guessed

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00:00:11.540 right to your front door. GoodRanchers.com slash Allie. All right, guys, we have so much

00:00:27.240 to talk about today. Just as a reminder, this is the last episode until after Memorial Day. Next

00:00:34.560 week, we'll have some new content coming out, but we won't have any new podcast episodes. We're just

00:00:40.740 taking a little vacation as a relatable team. So I know that you're going to miss us. We're going to

00:00:47.160 miss you. We're going to come back with a vengeance after Memorial Day. And I wanted to make sure that

00:00:52.480 I leave you with an especially good episode that you can just be chewing on for the next several

00:00:58.840 days. Here's the rundown of what we're talking about. We are going to be talking about the attacks

00:01:03.840 on the pregnancy centers that are happening by pro-abortion advocates in light of the potential

00:01:11.560 overturning of Roe v. Wade. We are going to be talking about the stunning silence and the hypocrisy

00:01:18.840 from the media when it comes to that and the vague terminology used by the DHS when they said that

00:01:25.660 they're expecting violence when it comes to the abortion issue and which side it's actually coming

00:01:34.200 from. And we are also going to talk about the hypocrisy from organizations like the Anti-Defamation

00:01:43.120 League. You'll see that the New York Times has cited the Anti-Defamation League when they're

00:01:49.560 talking about white supremacist violence. But does that really paint the whole picture of extremism in

00:01:55.020 the United States? We'll talk about that. Also going to talk to you about this crazy exchange that I had

00:02:00.380 on Twitter with someone who really claimed that she would rather abort her child than adopt her child

00:02:06.760 out to white evangelicals. And then finally, we are going to end on a very positive note,

00:02:13.420 on a very uplifting note, an empowering note that was very important to me in rounding out this episode,

00:02:18.680 the last episode that we're going to give you before we come back after Memorial Day. You are going to

00:02:23.540 hear from Mr. Herbie Newell. He is the president and executive director of Lifeline Children's Services.

00:02:29.880 He's got a whole like 15 minute sermon for us, guys. He's going to tell you how we can truly,

00:02:36.540 tangibly, practically be pro-life and help the women and the children who are in crisis. He's

00:02:41.680 going to talk about how his organization does that, how Christians can be the hands and feet of Jesus

00:02:47.020 in this arena. And he is going to remind us of the goodness of the gospel and the sovereignty of God.

00:02:52.580 And that is going to carry us through the end of the episode. I might have one more thing to say

00:02:57.220 after that, just to make sure that we leave on the most empowering and God-centered note possible

00:03:04.840 as you go into your weekend. But first, let's start with some of the dark stuff. Let's start

00:03:09.340 with some of the craziness that is going on at pro-life clinics across the country. Unfortunately,

00:03:16.420 they have been subject to vandalism. They've been subject to threats. They've been subject to threats

00:03:21.100 of violence. There are two organizations, Ruth sent us, you know, like Ruth Bader Ginsburg,

00:03:26.240 as well as Jane's Revenge, who are really promising intimidation, not just of these pro-life pregnancy

00:03:33.940 centers, who, by the way, are doing all of the work that pro-abortion advocates say that Christians

00:03:41.940 and pro-lifers, anti-abortionists are not doing. They're telling us that we're just pro-birth. Well,

00:03:47.140 these pregnancy clinics, these pregnancy centers are doing all of the post-birth and prenatal

00:03:56.220 work that these pro-choice pro-abortion advocates say that we are not doing and they are actually

00:04:04.280 destroying these clinics. So this is happening in Reistertown, Maryland. This is according to

00:04:10.320 WBAL-TV. Vandals spray-painted threatening messages onto pregnancy center there. This is Care Net

00:04:19.060 Pregnancy Center. The graffiti said, if abortions aren't safe, neither are you. Not a clinic. You're

00:04:26.040 anti-choice, not pro-life. This was signed, apparently, by Jane's Revenge. This is also the

00:04:32.780 group that took credit for the arson attack at Wisconsin Family Clinic. They spray-painted over

00:04:37.700 surveillance cameras to hinder investigation because, of course, they are cowards. In Denton, Texas,

00:04:43.060 video shows vandal spray-painting forced birth is murder on Denton Pregnancy Center, police say.

00:04:48.840 Now, just think about the irony in that statement. Think about how deluded and depraved your mind has

00:04:53.380 to be to say that a woman who is unable to murder her child before birth, that that is murder. It's

00:05:01.200 murder? To not murder a child? Like, really think about that and just how corrupt and how given over

00:05:07.760 your mind must be to lies in order to actually think that way. This is, it was called Laredo,

00:05:15.440 or it is called Laredo House Center, and it was spray-painted on Saturday morning. It also was

00:05:21.040 written not a clinic, so I'm guessing that this was also by Jane's Revenge, which I guess is a domestic

00:05:26.540 terror organization, which is not surprising at all. These people are advocating for the murder of

00:05:31.600 defenseless children. We shouldn't be surprised that they are also terrorists. According to Fox News,

00:05:36.760 at least five pro-life pregnancy centers vandalized within a week of the SCOTUS opinion leak. It

00:05:42.560 chronicles Manassas, Virginia, First Care Women's Health. Abortion is a Right was written on there.

00:05:49.220 Fake Clinic was written on there. Liars was written on there. Of course, there were all kind of damage

00:05:53.880 to the property as well. Portland, Oregon, unfortunately not surprising. Southeast Portland

00:05:58.300 Pregnancy Resource Center smashed windows, spray-painted FCPCs. Again, these are centers that are

00:06:04.840 providing free services to women beyond just trying to convince them to keep their child,

00:06:10.740 which honestly, at these pro-life pregnancy centers, there's not a whole lot of earnest and

00:06:16.500 loud persuasion. There's not this shaming. There's not so-called fear-mongering. There is truth being

00:06:22.060 told, which I understand the pro-abortion side doesn't like. There are sonograms being given.

00:06:28.000 There are heartbeats being heard. There are babies seen on the ultrasound screen.

00:06:32.180 And if you're truly pro-life, then you should be truly informed consent, right?

00:06:36.540 You should want the women who are making the choice to have all the information possible.

00:06:40.620 They should know about adoption. They should know what the abortion procedure entails, which,

00:06:44.440 wow, the banshees on the pro-abortion side will absolutely just shriek and reee all day if you just

00:06:51.500 talk about what an abortion is. They do not like to hear the truth about the brutality of the abortion

00:06:56.740 procedure. They like to think that just fairy dust is sprinkled over the woman's abdomen,

00:07:00.300 and the baby goes back into the stratosphere. Somehow they don't like to hear that it's

00:07:06.560 actually brutal. It's actually violent. It actually involves poison. It involves starving.

00:07:10.980 It involves pain. It involves dismemberment. And it's not just grotesque for the baby who is

00:07:17.440 enduring it, but it's also a bloody and can be a very dangerous procedure for women as well.

00:07:23.380 The pro-abortion side doesn't like to hear the truth. That's why they rely on euphemisms.

00:07:28.140 That's why they rely on obfuscation. That's why they rely on just lies and propaganda,

00:07:36.260 because the truth really hurts them. And so that is why you're seeing the violence that you do.

00:07:42.140 You know, like when you are dealing with a toddler who can't articulate what they want,

00:07:49.280 they are just physically incapable. Mentally, they don't have the capacity,

00:07:53.300 the capability quite yet to be able to logically think through the decision that they're making

00:07:58.900 or to be able to really verbally say what they want. And so they just kind of throw a temper

00:08:04.540 tantrum. They just kind of get angry because they're so frustrated by you not understanding

00:08:09.460 what they want and their inability to say what they want. Yeah, that's a lot of progressives.

00:08:14.920 That's pretty much all pro-abortionists. You try to meet them with any facts. You try to address

00:08:19.160 them with any logic. You try to have a reasonable dialogue with them to try to show them the truth

00:08:24.500 of abortion rather than addressing anything that they that you say. They use red herrings. They

00:08:28.600 use non sequiturs. They just get really angry. They throw ad hominem attacks. They stay mean

00:08:34.340 things. They vandalize your pregnancy centers. Yeah, that's what they do because they have an

00:08:38.980 infantile understanding of the thing that they say that they are defending. So that's what's

00:08:44.060 happening across the country. Even the Department of Homeland Security, Biden's Department of Homeland

00:08:49.120 Security, which we understand is run by left-wing ideologues as we have tracked for the past year

00:08:57.440 and a half. According to CBS, DHS bulletin cites at least 25 violent social media threats have been

00:09:04.380 referred for investigation following the SCOTUS draft opinion leak. Quote, these threats include a

00:09:11.080 discussion of burning down or storming the Supreme Court as well as attacks on Congress. The bulletin

00:09:15.960 warned of an emerging threat to government, religious, and reproductive health care personnel

00:09:20.380 and facilities and ideological opponents and marks the first intelligence bulletin explicitly issued to

00:09:25.880 state and local law enforcement regarding abortion-related extremism in the wake of the opinion draft

00:09:35.500 leak. The volume of violent threats targeting Supreme Court justices, members of Congress,

00:09:39.880 other officials, clergy, health care officials, and providers, and others associated with the abortion

00:09:44.320 debate are likely to persist and may increase leading up to and following the issuing of the

00:09:49.780 court's official ruling, the bulletin added. So you'll notice some language in there. You'll notice

00:09:54.380 the use of health care officials instead of abortion providers. So that tells you ideologically where they

00:10:00.880 are aligned. And also that they don't explicitly say where this is coming from. And they also use the

00:10:10.020 word reproductive health care. Reproductive rights is obviously a euphemism for abortion. So again,

00:10:16.380 we know ideologically where they're standing. And we can see them kind of bend over backwards

00:10:20.740 to cover up the fact that this extremism, these violent threats, are actually coming from the pro-abortion

00:10:28.340 side. We're actually seeing it. It's actually being visibly manifested right now. It's not just

00:10:32.780 social media threats. We are watching it happen. Like, we have seen these disruptions in front of

00:10:37.720 the justices' homes where they have young kids who are living. I mean, they're disrupting the lives of

00:10:43.880 their neighbors, which, by the way, like, it's a federal crime to try to intimidate a judge or a

00:10:48.980 justice into making the decision that you want them to make. These are the very people that say that

00:10:53.160 they're pro-democracy. It is not pro-democracy to try to ensure that your country is ruled by mob

00:11:00.820 rule, because that's what it is. Like, if these protesters in front of the houses of these justices

00:11:07.060 are successful, like, say, Barrett and Kavanaugh and Alito, they say, OK, fine, we're going to vote

00:11:13.540 to ensure that Roe v. Wade is not overturned. Then we are run by a mob, which, unfortunately,

00:11:20.280 I think already happens. Judges and justices, especially when it comes to cases of police

00:11:25.780 brutality, they are subject to intimidation and mobs and threats. And so in some ways,

00:11:31.880 we are already ruled by mob rule. But like, you understand that if you say that you're pro-democracy,

00:11:38.360 but you're also for the intimidation of justices, that you're not actually pro-democracy. And of

00:11:45.040 course, as we've talked about before, the left is not pro-democracy. They actually mean the opposite

00:11:49.960 of democracy when they say democracy. When they say democracy, what they mean is authoritarianism

00:11:54.620 that they like. When they say authoritarianism, what they mean is democracy they don't like.

00:11:58.900 That's just true. You can apply that rule any time, almost any time you hear a progressive

00:12:03.800 use those terms. Axios actually says, Axios reported on this and actually said that abortion-related

00:12:13.600 violence historically has been driven by anti-abortion extremists. I'm sorry, I don't believe it.

00:12:18.460 I'm sure that that happens. I'm sure that that happens. I'm sure that there are Planned Parenthoods

00:12:22.680 and there are abortion providers who are, by the way, like the greatest committers of violence in

00:12:30.060 this country. I'm sure that they have been targeted. I'm sure that there are unfortunately

00:12:34.940 extremists who claim to be anti-abortion, who are attacking and threatening people who provide

00:12:41.560 abortions. I don't think that's right. I don't think that that's ever justified. I don't think that we

00:12:46.280 should resort to violence because then that just puts you in the same camp as them. But I'm sorry,

00:12:51.780 I don't believe the anti-abortion extremists are driving the violence. Again, we would hear about

00:12:57.100 it. You'd hear about it a lot more. You'd be hearing about it all the time. We're actually

00:13:01.520 seeing the violence and the vandalism and the intimidation coming from the pro-abortion side.

00:13:07.880 But again, Axios, CBS, the DHS itself is really kind of trying to cover up where the violence and

00:13:14.940 where the intimidation is coming from. That's not a surprise at all. They're not truth-telling

00:13:18.840 organizations. These are people who just run cover for the left. They're left-wing activists.

00:13:26.200 And that's part of the reason why we face the problems that we do. And also just consider all of

00:13:34.420 the people who spoke up about the Buffalo shooting, about the dangers and the pervasiveness of white

00:13:39.060 supremacy, which I'm fine with reacting. I'm fine with talking about white supremacy. I'm fine with

00:13:44.260 talking about how unjust and evil and awful the Buffalo shooting was and the white supremacy that

00:13:50.820 was apparently attached to the shooting. But notice that a lot of the Christians that you follow who

00:13:56.860 claim to just be for justice, who claim to just be telling the truth and totally impartial and not

00:14:01.640 political and partisan at all. Notice what they talk about and what they don't talk about. Notice

00:14:06.380 that they highlight that. Again, that's fine. But that they aren't highlighting the domestic terrorism

00:14:11.300 that is happening at anti-abortion crisis pregnancy centers across the country. You don't have to

00:14:18.020 comment on everything. But if you have a pattern of only commenting on something because there's a

00:14:22.580 white perpetrator and because you can advance a left-wing agenda and not covering the previous,

00:14:27.920 you know, attacks, the previous terrorist attacks that we've had and the current domestic terrorism

00:14:33.460 against pro-life pregnancy centers, then maybe you're not just telling the truth. Like maybe you

00:14:38.420 are just completely partial and you're completely biased when you talk about things that you say just

00:14:43.400 have to do with justice. Something to consider, something to consider for us as we observe,

00:14:48.780 as we observe the commentary that comes out of Christians online. All right, we're going to talk a little

00:14:56.600 bit more about this. We're going to talk about, in light of what I just said, whether or not we should

00:15:03.260 be most concerned with white supremacist terrorism or whether we also need to be directing our focus

00:15:11.800 towards forms of terrorism like those against the pro-life pregnancy centers based on what the

00:15:18.460 anti-defamation league and the New York Times are telling us.

00:15:24.460 All right, so I wanted to comment on this chart that you guys have asked me about. You've seen it

00:15:29.540 floating around. It was shared first by the New York Times. Also, Ibram X. Kendi shared it. And you

00:15:35.220 guys have asked me, is this true? And this chart, we'll put it up on YouTube. This is the New York

00:15:41.520 Times reporting the Anti-Defamation League's data. They've counted, the New York Times says,

00:15:48.440 about 450 U.S. murders committed by political extremists from 2012 through 2021. New York Times

00:15:56.340 says of these 450 killings, right-wing extremists committed about 75%. Islamic extremists were

00:16:02.740 responsible for about 20% and left-wing extremists were responsible for 4% and 55%. So that is included,

00:16:10.600 I guess, in right-wing extremists were white supremacy. So right there, that would be one

00:16:18.440 contention that I have here. So are all white supremacists always counted as right-wing extremists?

00:16:24.760 So 55% white supremacy, anti-government, 14%, other right-wing 6%. So they're saying that is about 75%.

00:16:33.380 Not all white supremacists, though, are right-wing or consider themselves right-wing,

00:16:39.360 especially, like, if you think about the Buffalo shooter. He said in his manifesto that he is a

00:16:44.520 leftist, that he does call himself, I think, like an eco-fascist. And so he's a little bit,

00:16:50.000 he was a little bit all over the place ideologically. But he said that he hated conservatism,

00:16:55.960 he hated Fox News, that he considered himself a populist, some kind of left-wing authoritarian.

00:17:02.420 And so I don't understand, and this is the big problem that I have with this, how the ADL is

00:17:09.980 getting its numbers. And when you go to the ADL site, they don't actually tell us how they are

00:17:14.980 calculating this. Now, we know that the ADL is a left-wing organization, that they're not actually

00:17:20.880 an honest resource. They are committed to a particular progressive agenda. And here's how we

00:17:26.380 know this. There are a couple of resources I consulted, one of them being ADL's website,

00:17:30.660 and another very long and thorough article in Commentary Magazine by Seth Mandel about the

00:17:38.100 ideology, the politics that it's driving, that are driving the head of the ADL and why we really

00:17:46.540 should be kind of questioning the information and the data and the analysis that they're putting out

00:17:53.520 based on that. So I looked at the ADL's site because I had some questions about how are they

00:17:59.140 calculating this? How are they finding this data? I have no problem with accepting the fact or

00:18:06.280 acknowledging the fact that white supremacists are driving political extremism or extremist-based

00:18:14.060 killings in the United States, if that's actually true. I do have a problem with them lumping all

00:18:19.960 white supremacists as right-wing without actually telling us why they are categorizing them as that

00:18:27.020 or providing us with some information about how they decided to make that choice. So if you look at

00:18:33.260 the chart that is being cited by the New York Times, if you look at ADL's 2021 report, you read this,

00:18:40.580 quote, in 2021, domestic extremists killed at least 29 people in the United States. Most of the murders,

00:18:45.580 26 to the 29, were committed by right-wing extremists, which is usually the case. However,

00:18:50.080 two killings were committed by Black nationalists and one by an Islamist extremist, the latter being

00:18:55.460 the first such killing since 2018. We will link this report. You can look at it for yourself.

00:19:01.400 But hang on. Hang on. Here's a problem. We know for a fact that the Waukesha terrorist

00:19:06.920 in November of 2021 killed six white people and that he espoused Black supremacist views on social

00:19:14.460 media, said on social media that he wanted to knock out old white people. And we know the Daily Caller

00:19:21.260 actually reported on this last year and said that the ADL, for reasons, again, that we don't know,

00:19:27.480 did not include the Waukesha terrorist in their list of left-wing or Black nationalist extremists.

00:19:36.620 We also know that the terrorists in April of 2021, I'm trying to avoid using their name so they

00:19:41.980 don't have any satisfaction of any kind of, you know, infamous or famous reputation that they may

00:19:49.320 have. I just don't want to contribute to that, even though I mistakenly have in the past said their

00:19:54.540 names. But we know that the terrorists in April 2021 who rammed his truck into the Capitol and killed

00:20:00.980 a police officer, we know that he was a follower of Louis Farrakhan. He was a Black nationalist.

00:20:05.240 So that's that right there is seven killings. And then we also know that in March of 2021,

00:20:10.960 you probably even forgot about this, that a Muslim man killed 10 people at a Boulder, Colorado grocery

00:20:18.360 store. These are just the events that I can think of off the top of my head in 2021. And if you go to

00:20:24.520 ADL's website and you search for the name of the Waukesha terrorist, you only get two articles. One

00:20:30.420 article of those two articles actually talks about what he says about Jews, but does not mention

00:20:37.020 anything that he said on social media about white people. The second article that comes up is about

00:20:41.640 how white supremacists are exploiting what it calls the Waukesha tragedy for their own personal gain,

00:20:49.560 not Waukesha terrorist attack or murder, but just a tragedy. And again, it's white supremacists pounce.

00:20:55.540 And of course, they conflict that with being right wing. So it's not actually about what happened in

00:21:00.040 Waukesha, but about the reaction to it. The article says this while a harrowing tragedy, Waukesha police

00:21:05.560 chief Daniel Thompson said Brooks was apparently fleeing a domestic disturbance. No proof of that

00:21:10.400 and declared the incident not a terrorist event. According to a review of Brooks's online footprint

00:21:15.100 conducted by ADL, there appears to be little evidence that Brooks actively subscribes to an

00:21:20.520 overarching extremist ideology. There's obviously a bias there. There is a reticence by the left wing

00:21:28.600 ADL to call what a black person does extremism, even if they had anti-white, anti-Semitic, pro-black

00:21:38.980 nationalist and black supremacist rhetoric on their social media. They're not going to call it

00:21:43.320 extremism because they don't want to add this to the count of extremist violence and extremist murder

00:21:50.100 in their data. If you search the name of the black nationalist who killed a DC police officer

00:21:55.620 in April of last year, you find one article. The article says that while he was definitely a part

00:22:01.080 of Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, which is anti-Semitic and it's an anti-white religion,

00:22:07.320 there's little evidence that ADL says that that's what influenced him and his attack. So again,

00:22:11.880 trying to get around, including this person in the category of extremist. Search for the shooting by

00:22:17.540 the Muslim man in Boulder last year that killed 10 people. No articles at all about that. No

00:22:24.240 articles at all. You'll remember that the media was calling out white supremacy until we found out

00:22:28.820 where the guy was from and what his ideology and religion actually is. Search Buffalo, though,

00:22:35.140 on the ADL site. And already they have 13 articles mentioning the Buffalo shooter, which I'm fine with

00:22:41.180 that. 13 articles. Great. There could be more analyzing everything there. There's a lot to talk about.

00:22:45.720 I'm fine with highlighting that. But only highlighting that, predominantly highlighting

00:22:50.240 that, and not the other forms of extremism, not the other instances of extremist-fueled murder in

00:22:56.700 which other people died. That shows a bias. That means you don't actually care about the victims or

00:23:00.900 even the danger of extremism. You only care about your ideology. Also, I guarantee that they will,

00:23:09.220 at least the New York Times will, but I'm sure the ADL will too, that they will categorize the

00:23:13.940 Buffalo shooting as a right-wing attack to try to pump up that number, even though, as we said,

00:23:19.580 this guy called himself left-wing in his manifesto. Of course, this year, we also had the subway shooter

00:23:25.700 who shot a bunch of people in a Brooklyn subway after posting his hatred of white people and Asians

00:23:33.300 and Jewish people on YouTube. Now, we don't know whether or not the ADL is going to include that

00:23:44.200 in their data that shows extremist violence in the United States this year. I think that we can

00:23:52.240 probably base our guesses off of last year and say that they're not going to, but understand this bias

00:24:02.040 and this partiality actually matters because this data is being used to push a particular kind of

00:24:09.280 perspective that is then going to push a particular kind of rhetoric, that is then going to push a

00:24:16.280 particular kind of policy. Because it is driven by a particular political agenda of the ADL, because

00:24:25.440 it doesn't paint an accurate picture of extremist violence in the United States, we're not going to

00:24:30.560 be able to address the problem with real solutions because we can't see things as we are. When you think

00:24:37.000 this kind of critical race theory-fueled idea that white oppressor, non-white oppressed, I mean,

00:24:46.600 that blinds you to reality, that blinds you to morality, that blinds you to the problems that we

00:24:51.740 face, and it prevents us, again, from enacting real solutions because you can't see good and evil as it

00:24:57.400 is. You see white and non-white, and that is a mistaken binary when you are trying to judge right

00:25:07.760 from wrong that is going to unfortunately inhibit us from being able to grapple with the reality and

00:25:15.880 the dangers that we are facing. As I said, Seth Mandel, he is a journalist, Bethany Mandel, his wife

00:25:22.760 has been on our show before. He wrote this long article in Commentary Magazine in 2018, and I won't go

00:25:30.140 through it all. There are a lot of really good quotes, but he talks about Jonathan Greenblatt, who is the

00:25:34.880 head of the ADL. He succeeded longtime ADL director Abe Foxman in 2015. Jonathan Greenblatt worked for the

00:25:44.160 Obama administration, and he has taken the organization in a decidedly and overtly left-wing

00:25:51.180 direction, commenting on political issues that the ADL hasn't always commented on, has commented a lot

00:25:58.540 more on abortion and Roe v. Wade and the danger of the Supreme Court deciding in favor of the Christian

00:26:07.660 baker, Jack Phillips. So almost an anti-religious liberty position that it's taken spoke out immediately

00:26:14.120 against Kavanaugh's nomination, and it was so obvious, it was so quick that that was just a reflexive

00:26:20.700 reaction to anything. Anyone that Trump was going to nominate spoke out against Trump policies, and

00:26:27.720 the, and Mandel says, Seth Mandel says that, yes, the ADL will, you know, sometimes kind of criticize

00:26:37.580 Democrats to try to keep up this facade of non-partisanship, but that really it is simply an

00:26:47.180 anti-right-wing, anti-conservative, pro-left-wing organization. And that is going to color the

00:26:54.240 things that it talks about, that's going to color the so-called statistics that it puts out. And so

00:26:59.140 we just have to be very thoughtful about that. It's really unfortunate if we had more truth-telling

00:27:03.480 organizations, if we had better journalists that actually cared about correct representation of

00:27:10.160 extremism and corrected data collection, then maybe they would be holding an organization like

00:27:17.360 the ADL accountable. So just keep all that in mind when you are seeing the things that your friends

00:27:24.020 are saying, that social justice Christians are saying, when you see the so-called data that is being

00:27:30.360 shared. It's not always an accurate representation of what is going on. Again, it's a representation of

00:27:36.080 partiality that actually prevents us from preventing the violence that we are seeing from so many

00:27:44.240 different kinds of people with a wide variety of ideologies and a wide variety of melanin counts.

00:27:51.620 All right. Speaking of extremism, we are going to play a couple clips, a few clips from a hearing

00:27:58.800 from the U.S. House Judiciary Committee and their hearings on abortion. This is something that is

00:28:05.880 happening right now. And again, this is something that you're not going to hear a lot of the

00:28:11.940 Christians that you're seeing commenting on everything else talk about. They won't talk

00:28:16.880 about this form of extremism. They'll stay focused on the left-wing issues. And yet this is something

00:28:21.740 that's happening right now is in the mainstream of the Democratic Party and shows a love and a

00:28:27.840 rabidity for violence and extremism far more than we are seeing on the conservative side. So we'll play you

00:28:34.600 some examples of that in just one second. All right. I don't think that the ADL is going to include

00:28:42.580 these people that we're about to play in their chronicling of left-wing extremists. I also don't

00:28:50.120 think that they are going to characterize the attacks on the pregnancy centers as left-wing extremist

00:28:56.580 violence. Unfortunately, nevertheless, we are here, the Relatable Podcast, to show you the extremism

00:29:04.780 that is articulated on the left side when it comes to abortion. So as I said, this is a hearing.

00:29:11.460 These are Republicans that you will hear questioning the witnesses. Amy Arambidi,

00:29:18.100 she is the executive director of Avow Texas, an abortion rights advocacy organization in Austin,

00:29:25.320 Texas. There is an abortion provider that you will hear, have an exchange with some representatives.

00:29:31.020 So here is representative, Republican Representative Mike Johnson. He is trying to get the witness to say

00:29:40.100 whether or not she agrees that at some point, at some point, abortion should be outlawed. And here

00:29:49.700 is her response to that. What is the principal distinction between the human being that is two

00:29:54.580 years old or nine months old or one week old or an hour old than one that is eight inches further up

00:30:00.940 the birth canal in the utero? What's the difference? Why is it OK in the latter case and not the former cases?

00:30:05.940 I trust people to determine what to do with their own bodies.

00:30:14.740 Full stop.

00:30:17.260 All right. What? See, this is what we were talking about in the beginning. They can't

00:30:22.540 actually defend their position. They can't tell you. Like, what is the difference between a baby

00:30:27.880 who is two seconds outside of the womb and a baby who is in the womb? So she also she's supporting

00:30:33.920 right then abortion up until birth, abortion up until crowning. And for people who say,

00:30:38.640 well, that never happens. No one is for that. Well, then it should be really easy for someone

00:30:43.780 who is an abortion rights advocate to say, you know what? I think that there should be limits

00:30:48.780 at this point of gestation. But they don't say that anymore. You'll notice Beto O'Rourke,

00:30:54.780 all of these pro-abortion Democrats, which almost every Democrat is, you almost have to be at this

00:30:59.540 point. They will not say when they think abortion should be limited. They will just say,

00:31:04.420 oh, we trust women or we trust people like this nut job just said. We trust people to know what

00:31:09.860 to do with their bodies. There's another body. There's a baby literally crowning out of your

00:31:14.400 cervix. And you're saying that that child should be murdered. And they can't even explain what's the

00:31:21.040 difference between the baby inside the womb and a baby outside of the womb, except for location.

00:31:26.440 Are you telling me location is a justification for murdering a person? Like that's the

00:31:31.540 qualification for a person's dignity, for whether or not a person has rights? What is so magical about

00:31:37.020 the birth canal? And by the way, like how far out of the womb does the baby have to be to suddenly

00:31:42.180 have rights? Because we know that babies, that pregnancies, birth can be induced and then the

00:31:49.720 abortionist actually snips the spinal cord or even sucks the brain out of the baby in order to kill

00:31:56.220 the baby and then take the baby out of the womb. That is something that happens in the United States

00:32:02.460 in the abortion procedure. This person can't even answer it. They just say, she just says, oh yeah,

00:32:10.080 you know, I trust people. And then there was this other, there's this other terrible exchange

00:32:18.360 between Rep. Mike Johnson and one of the witnesses. And he asks, how does one qualify as fully human?

00:32:30.600 And here's the response from this abortion provider. How does one qualify as fully human?

00:32:36.660 What makes a human being? What makes a person a human being is them being born, number one.

00:32:42.380 That's why we have birthdays. So they really are guys. I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be ad hominem

00:32:47.980 here, but they really are dumb as a box of stubby crayons. I mean, really? This person's not a human

00:32:56.620 because it doesn't have a birthday yet? Come on. We can't be a little bit more scientific than that?

00:33:04.200 Come on. Come on. Life starts at conception. Now you could think that it's okay to kill that life,

00:33:09.640 to kill that human being. After conception, I obviously think you're wrong. There's no

00:33:13.720 scientific question about when life begins. Life begins that human being is a distinct human being

00:33:18.820 with distinct human DNA that is growing from the time of conception. It has every single sign and

00:33:26.520 characteristic of life and of humanity. You might not think that human being has rights, but that is

00:33:32.580 a human being. These people, they've never been forced to think through or logically defend their

00:33:37.300 position. So they don't. They just don't. They say, oh, well, it's not human because it doesn't have

00:33:42.960 it doesn't have birthdays. A person, a human being is has to be born in order to be considered a human

00:33:52.000 being. So what is the baby inside the womb? What's the baby inside the womb? It's a turvus tumbler.

00:33:59.060 It's a squash. It's a volleyball. It's an alarm clock. And then all of a sudden the baby comes out

00:34:07.440 and it's a human being. No, that's scientifically incorrect. Scientifically incorrect. There was this

00:34:14.660 article in Quillette and a journalist asked, I think it was 5,000 scientists. I'm looking it up right

00:34:27.240 now because it's just coming top of mind. I asked thousands of biologists when life begins.

00:34:33.880 The answer was not popular. So this is Steve Jacobs. Shortly after being awarded my PhD by the

00:34:41.080 University of Chicago's Department of Comparative Human Development this year, I found myself in a

00:34:45.980 minor media whirlwind and then goes on to explain how he wrote this particular article, how he got into

00:34:52.760 media, and then he explains how he decided that he was going to, how he was going to ask these

00:35:02.520 scientists, these biologists, when life begins, because this is really like one of the core

00:35:09.640 disagreements that pro-abortionists and anti-abortionists have. And so he found that 5,337

00:35:19.080 biologists that's 96% affirmed that a human's life begins at fertilization, that's sperm

00:35:25.020 meets egg, with 240, only 4% rejecting that view. The majority of the sample identified as liberal,

00:35:32.580 89%, pro-choice, 85%, and non-religious, 63%. In the case of Americans who express party preference,

00:35:40.380 the majority identified as Democrats. All right. So the vast majority of biologists,

00:35:47.280 pro-choice, Democrat biologists understand that life begins at the point of fertilization.

00:35:54.340 This particular abortionist may be to help herself sleep at night and to try to just cover up what

00:36:00.800 she does for a living and how she makes money, which is dismember children. She wants to just pretend

00:36:08.400 like it's not a human being. She says something that's really stupid. Princeton, princeton.edu,

00:36:14.760 we will include the link. There is a paper, February 1999. It was published,

00:36:22.600 When Do Human Beings Begin? And this particular Dr. Diane in Irving outlines why humanity and life

00:36:34.280 starts at the point of fertilization. Also, if you go to American College of Pediatricians,

00:36:44.080 there was a study, a paper that was published in March 2017, and says the predominance of human

00:36:50.700 biological research confirms that human life begins at conception, fertilization. At fertilization,

00:36:56.480 the human being emerges as a whole, genetically distinct, individuated, zygotic, living human

00:37:02.160 organism, a member of the species, homo sapiens, needing only the proper environment in order to

00:37:08.940 grow and develop. These are not pro-life organizations. These are scientific organizations.

00:37:14.180 And so there's not a question. There's not a question of when life begins. It is a question

00:37:19.280 of whether or not you believe it is okay to kill some innocent people simply because of where they

00:37:24.000 reside or because of how defenseless they are or because of what size they are. That's the only

00:37:28.620 question that exists. Now, she's asked specifically by Representative Chip Roy how late of an abortion

00:37:37.940 she has performed and what that actually looks like. Here is her non-response to that.

00:37:43.960 When is the latest that you have performed an abortion in terms of weeks of the unborn child?

00:37:49.380 Yes, my name is Dr. Robinson and I provide abortion care in Alabama. So Alabama has...

00:37:59.980 What is the answer to the question? The latest that you have performed an abortion?

00:38:02.960 I'm going to answer your question. So unfortunately, my state is one of those states that has passed

00:38:08.800 restrictions or bans on abortion care, which limits physicians like myself...

00:38:13.640 And therefore, in other words, you would like to do it later. What is the latest you have performed

00:38:17.420 an abortion? So since I will always follow the law and I live in the state of Alabama,

00:38:22.380 I provide abortion care up until 20 weeks gestational age. Okay, so you performed an abortion at 20

00:38:26.960 weeks. Yes, sir. And the procedure for an abortion, when we're talking about at 20 weeks,

00:38:31.440 as I understand it, is dilation and extraction. Have you performed abortions at that stage? And in

00:38:38.340 doing so, have you had baby parts that you've had to discard or store in some capacity?

00:38:47.080 One of the things that you all have done throughout this hearing is just use inflammatory language.

00:38:53.400 So you'll see, again, she obfuscates. She doesn't want to answer the question. He's exactly right.

00:38:58.960 When it comes to 20-week abortions and even several weeks before that, the baby is too big to just be

00:39:04.840 kind of sucked out of the birth canal. And this is not a situation where a woman takes a pill and then

00:39:10.860 passes the baby. This baby has to be torn apart with forceps at this point. The woman has to be

00:39:18.500 dilated. Her cervix has to be dilated. Hopefully, the baby has died at that point. There are procedures

00:39:24.620 that precede the in-clinic procedure in which the abortionist has to reach inside the woman with forceps

00:39:36.340 and typically with a suction tube and to get out the baby's limbs, to crush the baby's skull, and to then

00:39:43.400 pull the baby out of the birth canal. That is what an abortion looks like at 20 weeks. This woman obviously

00:39:51.040 doesn't want to talk about it. She calls that inflammatory language. Yeah, abortion is

00:39:54.940 inflammatory. Just talking literally about what abortion is, that is inflammatory. And then my

00:40:00.700 personal favorite, a representative asks one of the witnesses, you know, what do you, I mean,

00:40:07.440 what do you consider a woman? And here was her response. What do you say a woman is?

00:40:14.220 I believe that everyone can identify for themselves. Okay. Do you believe then that men can become

00:40:23.920 pregnant and have abortions? Yes. If you can't, you can't see me right now because you're listening,

00:40:36.120 I'm just like pounding my hands against my head because it's so tiresome. It's so tiresome. These

00:40:46.640 people, these people, again, I'm not trying to be rude, but they have hearts of stone and brains of

00:40:54.740 mush, mushy, mushy oatmeal, not even like well-formed oatmeal. I'm talking about like just like watery

00:41:02.440 oatmeal. Their brains are made out of that. And again, it's not like, it shouldn't be surprising

00:41:10.460 because we are talking about, we're talking about people who worship the father of lies. And so of

00:41:17.960 course they're going to believe lies. We're talking about people who have depraved, corrupt mind. It

00:41:23.720 reminds me of the verse and let's see in, oh, it's in Romans 1 21. For some reason I thought it was in

00:41:32.220 Ephesians. So Romans 1 21, for although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks

00:41:37.700 to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their foolish hearts were darkened. And so that

00:41:45.140 is what has occurred here. The foolish heart has been darkened and they do not have understanding of

00:41:53.180 what is good and right and true. Here's the verse I was thinking about in Ephesians, Ephesians 4 18.

00:41:58.320 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the

00:42:03.780 ignorance that is in them due to their hardness of heart. Oh, this is perfect description of what

00:42:09.180 we're looking at here. They have become callous and have given themselves up to sensuality, greedy,

00:42:14.040 to practice every kind of impurity. But that is not the way you learned Christ. Assuming you have

00:42:19.160 heard about him and were taught in him as the truth is in Jesus, to put off your old self,

00:42:23.020 which belongs to your former manner of life and is corrupt through deceitful desires and to be

00:42:26.660 renewed in the spirit of your minds and to put on the new self created after the likeness of God

00:42:31.660 and true righteousness and holiness. So if you find yourself as a Christian agreeing with any part of

00:42:37.960 what we just heard, like you should really, you should really consider, you should really consider

00:42:43.560 the true state of your heart and who you worship. If you're worshiping Christ or if you're worshiping

00:42:49.900 yourself and really that would be worshiping Satan, even if you think that you're worshiping the

00:42:56.060 government or yourself or your spirituality, whatever it is, there are really only two options.

00:43:02.720 And so this is the kind of extremist rhetoric, the kind of violent rhetoric that is completely

00:43:08.700 normalized on the democratic side. This is what the pro-abortion movement looks like. This is mainstream.

00:43:16.520 This is not me not picking random people on Twitter. This is what the pro-abortion movement looks like.

00:43:23.640 There's always time to get on the right side of this. There's always time. And speaking of violent

00:43:30.400 rhetoric and speaking about what the progressive pro-abortion side looks like, I'm going to tell you

00:43:36.100 about this wild tweet exchange that I had with someone named Jo Lumen. I think that's how you pronounce

00:43:43.220 her last name, who said something. Maybe it was like the most wicked thing that I have ever seen

00:43:49.520 on Twitter. And that's really saying something because Twitter is an absolute cesspool. So

00:43:53.500 okay, we're going to go right into just like the darkest of the dark when it comes to progressivism

00:44:00.380 and the pro-abortion side. And then we're going to have that interview. I told you this is going to be

00:44:03.780 a longer episode, a mega episode. We're going to play that interview with the head of the pro-life

00:44:10.340 organization that is going to remind you of the light and the goodness and the power of God and

00:44:16.460 that our cause in being anti-abortion and just being ambassadors for the gospel is so worth it.

00:44:23.260 But first, let us delve into the darkness of this Twitter exchange. So Jo Lumen, she tweeted,

00:44:31.000 I would rather get an abortion than have a brown child who ends up being adopted by white

00:44:37.940 evangelicals. It is not a kindness to children of the global majority, I guess she's talking about

00:44:43.700 black and brown children, to give them to people who will traumatize them with self and ancestral

00:44:49.860 hatred. And abortion is an act of love. Now, recall that passage that I just read out of Ephesians 4.

00:45:01.500 Their foolish hearts were darkened. That's Romans 1, Ephesians 4. They're darkened in their understanding.

00:45:11.640 They are filled with foolishness and depravity and corruption. And that if Jo were listening to this,

00:45:17.420 she would have no idea. It would be like I'm speaking a different language to her. She would be so

00:45:22.720 hostile and angry to what I have to say because she is in total submission to wickedness. That's why

00:45:32.220 she is able to say something like an abortion is an act of love. It is the exact opposite of the act

00:45:37.680 of love. It is an act of selfishness. It is an act of hate. It is an act of violence against a vulnerable

00:45:43.940 and defenseless, innocent human being. And there's so much disconnect in what Jo believes because

00:45:49.020 maybe the only thing that I've heard her say, one of the only things that I've heard her say,

00:45:52.940 this is a real person, by the way. I know it reads as a parody. This is not a parody. I've had an

00:45:56.840 Instagram live with this person. This is a very real person. The only thing, one of the only things

00:46:02.780 that I've heard her say that I agree with is she said that, you know, children are marginalized.

00:46:08.040 Children are the most marginalized group in the world. She was responding to a TikTok where someone was

00:46:12.080 saying like F them kids and was being rude about kids. And I was like, yes, Jo, I completely agree with

00:46:16.840 that. Children are the most marginalized group in the world. That's something actually that we say a

00:46:21.560 lot. But there is so much disconnect because she apparently believes that a child is not a child

00:46:26.580 until they exit the womb. And again, as we have already discussed today, that is completely arbitrary.

00:46:30.200 They're humans in both cases. The only thing that changes is attachment by the umbilical cord and

00:46:35.320 location. And those are very arbitrary reasons to kill someone, to justify killing someone.

00:46:41.100 But Jo actually says that it's not just for her about like not raising a child. For her,

00:46:46.840 like she would rather kill a child. She would rather a needle go through her abdomen into the heart

00:46:53.600 of a wiggling baby so that fetal demise is ensured by forcing a heart attack using the same chemical

00:47:00.280 combination that is used to execute a murderer's on death row in a lethal injection. She would rather

00:47:09.160 that child be killed in that manner and then dismembered with forceps and taken out of her cervix

00:47:15.320 than a child be adopted to a loving family who would raise them well, who would care for them,

00:47:22.960 who would show them the love of Jesus because they are white. It's not the evangelical portion

00:47:27.680 that she cares about, although she does have a problem with that too. It's really the white

00:47:31.620 evangelical portion that she cares about. Of course, I went back and forth with her because

00:47:35.860 I couldn't resist even though typically I ignore the ridiculous things that she says. She says

00:47:41.100 ridiculous things all the time and typically I ignore it. However, I responded to this time and

00:47:50.560 I said basically what I just said that she would choose the abortion that I just described over having

00:47:56.600 her baby raised by Christians who will love him and she sincerely believes that she's on the right

00:48:00.540 side. She responds by saying, Allie, don't please. My body would literally not survive a pregnancy

00:48:05.560 right now. After several abdominal surgeries, it wouldn't. But even if it did, my family wouldn't.

00:48:10.440 And adoption is not an alternative when people like you could end up raising my child. Oh, your child

00:48:16.980 would be so fortunate to be raised by a husband and wife who would care for them in every way.

00:48:24.400 And she goes, other people said the same thing that I did. And she actually said evangelicals are,

00:48:29.280 white evangelicals are not loving parents. Wow. What a statement to make. White evangelicals are not

00:48:34.160 loving parents. Just think about that. Think about that. Parents out there who, like me, would die for

00:48:40.420 your children, die a thousand deaths if you could for your children, would literally do anything for

00:48:45.280 your children, would give up, would sacrifice, would do absolutely anything to ensure your child's

00:48:53.380 protection. I know a lot of you out there who you have fostered and you have adopted children who are

00:48:59.900 not white because you love God, because you love your neighbor, because you've advocated for the

00:49:06.660 most vulnerable. Joe thinks that it is better for a child to be poisoned, to be starved, to be

00:49:12.200 dismembered, for their brain to be sucked out and for their skull to be crushed than for a child to live

00:49:18.340 and be adopted by loving parents. And it shouldn't surprise you that there are plenty of people on

00:49:22.680 Twitter who agree with her because they don't have any problem with abortion. And they actually think

00:49:26.240 being a Christian is worse than being a murderer. Literally, that is what they believe.

00:49:34.000 I responded. I said, you would rather your child be brutally murdered than adopted by people who

00:49:39.780 would care for them. That's ghoulish, Joe, even for you. And she says, care for them. Residential

00:49:45.960 schools, forced conversions, racism that kills black and brown people and is defended by white

00:49:50.840 evangelicals. You overwhelmingly voted for and supported Trump, misogynistic, racist, xenophobic,

00:49:56.440 man, euphemism, amusement, word salad. And you are homophobic, she said. Oh, no. Someone who believes

00:50:05.140 in what human beings and Christians have believed for thousands of years about sexuality and marriage,

00:50:10.600 raising children who would have otherwise not had parents who could care for them.

00:50:16.800 Um, and I had a lot of people going back and forth saying, you didn't describe abortion correctly.

00:50:22.260 That's not, she said, that's not what happens in an abortion when I described a second trimester

00:50:25.900 abortion. Yes, it is. It literally is. Pro-abortion activists just literally, they just tell you you're

00:50:31.080 lying. You're just lying. You're just lying about it. And they don't actually correct you because they

00:50:36.560 don't know what an abortion is. They literally don't know, or they do know, and they just want to lie.

00:50:42.380 Okay. Now, Joe, she got a lot of attention. She got a lot of attention because of this. Matt Walsh

00:50:48.640 quote tweeted her. Matt Walsh has a huge audience. Charlie Kirk tweeted about her, huge audience.

00:50:55.680 There is, um, this account called The List that puts like bad, uh, bad tweets on this list and like

00:51:04.180 advertises it and shows like, hey, these are the bad tweets of the list. People write left and center

00:51:08.380 make this list every week. Um, I guarantee, I can almost guarantee like this tweet is probably

00:51:14.560 going to end up on Tucker Carlson's show because it made such a splash. And now she is saying that

00:51:20.260 she is a victim. She said, oh no, like when I got quote tweeted last time by someone like Allie

00:51:25.760 Stuckey and Matt Walsh, I got, I got death threats and I got bullied. And I told her, I said, look,

00:51:31.720 post those screenshots. And I mean this, post those screenshots of the people who are sending you

00:51:35.700 death threats, post it publicly so we can all report them. That will, will help you because

00:51:40.440 I'm completely against death threats. I'm completely against threats of violence. I'm

00:51:44.420 completely against doxing, especially if it comes to threatening of the safety and the security of

00:51:49.260 your children. I am against that no matter how much I absolutely disagree with you. So I am against

00:51:55.160 my followers doing that. I am against people sending ad hominem attacks, but you cannot, this is a

00:52:00.640 manipulation tactic. This is what she did last time to me because I responded to one of her

00:52:05.440 tweets with Lauren Chen on Lauren Chen's show a couple of years ago. And then she claimed

00:52:10.640 that we were bullying her, that we were sticking people against her, that we cause death threats.

00:52:16.640 Look, you say something publicly on a public platform, you have tens of thousands of followers,

00:52:20.900 people are allowed to respond publicly. And unless someone is trying, is, is explicitly saying that,

00:52:27.600 oh, people should threaten her. People should like enact violence against her. If people are saying

00:52:32.700 that, that's one thing, um, that would be wrong. But someone just publicly responding to you and

00:52:38.800 their followers who they don't have any connection to, who they are not endorsing at all, then like

00:52:44.780 saying mean thanks to you, that is not the fault of the person who publicly responded to you.

00:52:49.900 You said something purposely inflammatory. The worst thing, one of the worst things that I've ever seen

00:52:55.160 someone say, you said it publicly on a public platform. You have a public account. You could

00:53:00.420 protect your tweets. You can make it private if you wanted to. You could have said it in some kind

00:53:04.620 of private forum. You can put it behind a paywall, but you didn't. You said it publicly on your public

00:53:09.220 site and people responded publicly to you and you're getting public responses and you're getting public

00:53:13.920 backlash because of that. And for you to act like a victim after you sent a racist and vitriolic

00:53:19.760 and destructive and murderous tweet, I mean, yeah, you're going to get that kind of response

00:53:25.360 against. I, again, I am against all forms of violence and threatening and doxing in all of that.

00:53:30.720 I am. But to act like you are now a victim when all people are doing is responding to you publicly

00:53:39.240 and to say that the people who responded to you publicly are somehow a part of the threats that you

00:53:43.740 are receiving, that's just not true. And again, I would say you should publicly share. You should

00:53:48.740 publicly share the people who are threatening you. I think that that would be important to do because

00:53:53.220 then I would be happy to also report those people. So share the screenshots of that. People did find

00:53:59.920 out that she is like sitting on the school board of her kid's school. I don't like people posting

00:54:06.540 pictures of that. Some people are defending it by saying, well, we're just calling the school board

00:54:10.700 like this is where she volunteers and works. She shouldn't be on a school board. I understand.

00:54:16.260 I understand. But to me, this crosses into endangering her kids. Her kids did nothing

00:54:23.060 wrong. Her kids can't help that their mother is pro-abortion. And so I don't like that. That's

00:54:29.920 not something that I would amplify. That's not something I would do. I don't want anyone's kids

00:54:34.100 to be threatened. But she cannot be angry that people are simply responding to something that she

00:54:40.440 said that was so violent and vitriolic and purposely intending to inflame. This is a person who claims

00:54:46.360 that she's decolonizing her faith. She's deconstructing her faith. And she is emblematic

00:54:54.700 of progressivism. Like this is where it sends your brain. This is the pro-abortion logic taken

00:55:00.840 to its logical conclusion. So just understand that. So now that we have delved into serious darkness,

00:55:08.560 well, when it comes to this ideology, let's lift ourselves back up. I want to talk to Herbie

00:55:15.660 Newell, who is, as I said, the head of a pro-life organization. And he is going to remind us

00:55:21.900 of whose we are, of who we serve, and the mission that we're on. Compare what someone like Joe Luman

00:55:28.080 said, what those witnesses said that I played, to what our guest is about to say. It should be

00:55:34.940 extremely obvious who is on the light side and who is on the dark side. You want to talk about

00:55:42.380 justice. You want to talk about the right side of history. I think the dichotomy is pretty darn

00:55:47.280 obvious here. Mr. Newell, thank you so much for joining us. Can you tell everyone who you are and

00:55:54.340 what you do? Absolutely. It's a pleasure to be with you, Allie. My name is Herbie Newell, and I am

00:56:00.300 the Executive Director for Lifeline Children's Services. We're an orphan care, adoption, foster

00:56:05.320 care ministry that's been around since 1981. We care for women going through crisis pregnancies,

00:56:11.780 vulnerable children here in our country, the United States, and around the world in 24 different

00:56:16.460 nations. And so we just have a robust ministry that wants to seek to equip the body of Christ,

00:56:23.420 the local church, to ultimately manifest the gospel to orphans, vulnerable children, and vulnerable women.

00:56:28.440 Tell me a little bit more about this process. So if someone wanted to get involved, or if someone

00:56:36.620 wanted to learn more about just kind of like the day-to-day of your ministry, how would you describe

00:56:42.340 it to them? Yeah, well, you know, in what we do, there's not really a rhythm of a day-to-day. Every day

00:56:51.780 is different because we're getting engaged in the messy lives of the most vulnerable in our world. So

00:56:57.700 one of the great ways that I would encourage folks to get involved is with family reunification. It's

00:57:02.760 one of the easiest on-ramps, especially for church members, for churches to get engaged. And really

00:57:09.760 what that is, is that's teaching, mentoring, and loving on families that have lost their kids to

00:57:14.740 foster care. And so we know we have a foster care crisis in our nation. But one of the things that I

00:57:20.120 believe the church can do, believers can do, pro-life people can do, is to wrap around these families

00:57:25.260 that have lost these kids. Most of these families want their kids back, but the government is not

00:57:30.020 set up to help them get their kids back. They're not set up to help them break cycles in their lives.

00:57:35.180 They're not set up to help them find the systems and the rhythms that they need to be able to

00:57:39.520 provide a healthy, nurturing place for their child. And what we've been able to see through our

00:57:44.500 program called Families Count is churches in 19 states now that have wrapped around, and we've seen

00:57:49.800 over 1,500 families reunified out of foster care, and they're thriving and they're surviving.

00:57:56.420 And now these parents and these children are in safe, healthy places. But more importantly,

00:58:01.780 they're connected to men and women in their community who are loving on them, caring for them,

00:58:07.440 and continue to meet with them to help see them thrive. So that's one of the on-ramps,

00:58:11.740 and that is an easy way for people to get engaged. I think especially with what's going on in our nation

00:58:17.240 with the Dobbs case and with, Lord willing, the overturn of Roe v. Wade, there's so many ways

00:58:23.620 that especially women, if they're available, can counsel other women who are going to crisis

00:58:28.160 pregnancies. And not just to confirm a pregnancy, but to actually walk her through her pregnancy

00:58:32.500 and then be there, as we say, on the other end of the postpartum unit to help her learn about what

00:58:37.960 motherhood looks like. Or if she wants to make an adoption plan or another plan to help her walk

00:58:43.160 through that, to love her through that, and to ultimately hold her hand through that. And you

00:58:48.240 know what's so encouraging is in all 50 states, we see churches, we see women, we see men who are

00:58:55.260 willing to go the extra mile to walk side by side with these vulnerable women and these vulnerable

00:58:59.880 children. Yes, I love what you mentioned about that discipleship and mentorship piece. We had a guest

00:59:06.000 on, she's a journalist who recently wrote a book about the brokenness of CPS and foster care in our

00:59:12.980 system. That's not to say that there aren't some great CPS workers and some, you know, great people

00:59:17.960 who work in the foster care system. But many times, CPS simply gets it wrong. They either reunify parents

00:59:25.300 without any sort of process to try to help them break cycles of addiction to ensure the child's

00:59:32.480 safety, or they are preventing family reunification in cases where it really could be good. It could be

00:59:40.380 healthy and safe for both the parent and the child. And so there does seem to be that missing piece.

00:59:46.720 Okay, if reunification is going to be what the government does, well, those parents need to be

00:59:52.320 prepared. They need to have community, they need to have accountability, they need to have love and

00:59:57.960 support. And if they are working to get their kids back, and the government is trying to prevent that,

01:00:03.480 then you still need that community and that fellowship and that help. I think in isolation,

01:00:08.280 these parents who are in crisis, who are working to get their kids back, who want to get their kids

01:00:12.820 back, who are getting their kids back, as you said, that cycle can be so easily perpetuated if you

01:00:19.620 don't have people around you who are really trying to support you. And a lot of what you're saying also,

01:00:27.140 it just dispels this myth that we are constantly hearing from those who advocate for the choice of

01:00:33.260 abortion, that while Christians are just pro birth, once the woman gives birth, that's all Christians

01:00:39.880 care about. It's just about, you know, forcing complete pregnancies. But I mean, your organization

01:00:46.700 every day is really embodying the objection to that myth. So can you talk a little bit more about

01:00:55.020 that? What would you say if someone said, Oh, you guys are, are just pro birth, you don't care about

01:00:59.800 what happens to these families after the babies are born? Yeah, well, actually, interestingly enough,

01:01:06.240 today marks my 19th year of serving here at Lifeline. And even before that, my sweet wife,

01:01:12.460 Ashley served as assistant director of a crisis pregnancy center. So in some ways today marks 25

01:01:18.260 years of our family being actively engaged and involved in the pro-life movement. And what I can

01:01:23.600 continually tell you is that the church wants to get engaged, the church wants to help women.

01:01:30.120 And this whole idea that they're only there for the pregnancy, they're only there to see a woman give

01:01:34.340 birth is just not true. I can tell you right now, if abortion were completely illegal, I've been asked

01:01:41.140 by state legislatures, I've been asked by congressmen, I've been asked in DC, you know, is it,

01:01:46.740 would there be families willing to adopt if abortion truly became illegal? And I can tell you,

01:01:51.780 there would be millions and millions of families who would step forward tomorrow to adopt. There

01:01:57.240 are families that are wanting to do something and want to do anything. And the truth is, I've got

01:02:01.760 families that are lined up right now that would adopt children with Down syndrome, Turner syndrome,

01:02:06.620 all range of special needs. So even this idea that Christians aren't willing to care for the most

01:02:12.500 vulnerable of children that are born is just not true, and it doesn't stand up. But then on the other

01:02:17.840 side, you know, seeing my wife serve in the crisis pregnancy center, seeing the work that I have for

01:02:23.700 the last 19 years, I've been able to work with crisis pregnancy centers all around the country.

01:02:28.300 And these are some of the most fearless women who get into the front lines, who love on these women,

01:02:34.340 who stay in touch with these women, who continue to see them through their pregnancy, who want to be a

01:02:39.640 resource, who want to be an advocate. And probably the number one question I get asked by pastors and

01:02:45.400 churches is what more can we do to help women who are going through crisis pregnancy? So the heartbeat

01:02:52.160 of the gospel in our churches is that we want to be present and we want to come alongside of these

01:02:57.800 women. And that's exactly what they need. You know, one of the things we hear on the anti or on the

01:03:02.740 pro-abortion movement is that women who are impoverished are unfairly discriminated against.

01:03:09.960 The truth of the matter is all abortion does is steal a child from a woman, but it doesn't address

01:03:15.080 her true poverty. And what we see over and over is these women are impoverished and it's not even

01:03:19.900 the physical poverty they have. It's the relational and emotional poverty that they have. They don't

01:03:25.240 have those relationships that are going to come alongside of them and love them. And that's what

01:03:29.080 the church is for is to come and say, come, we want to be with you. We want to walk with you and we

01:03:33.920 want to walk and walk and do life with you. And that's the beauty of the church and the beauty of God's

01:03:38.180 people. And what is your reaction to a lot of the vitriol that we are seeing with the prospect

01:03:44.440 of Roe v. Wade being overturned? Because you've been in this ministry for a long time. You just said

01:03:50.300 almost 20 years, and I'm sure that you were even involved in it before that. And so it's not really

01:03:56.380 new, necessarily, the hostility that pro-lifers are getting. I remember a couple years ago, the New York

01:04:04.460 Times reported inside an evangelical crisis pregnancy center, and they quoted NARAL saying that all

01:04:13.200 crisis pregnancy centers are run by anti-choice extremists. And we're seeing that kind of rhetoric

01:04:19.540 manifested in vandalism, in violence, in all kinds of personal and even physical attacks, unfortunately.

01:04:30.160 Tell me just what your reaction is to some of that. And then what would your encouragement be to

01:04:37.060 women who are pro-lifers, who are running these pregnancy centers, and who are kind of afraid

01:04:43.400 right now because of the backlash that they're seeing? Yeah, well, I mean, honestly, I hate to say

01:04:50.840 it. I'm not surprised. When you even look at God's word, I think of Isaiah, it says,

01:04:56.060 woe to you who call evil good and good evil. I read a report from the New York Times that came out last

01:05:02.940 week on, you know, the crisis pregnancy centers where it really even read like it could have been

01:05:08.420 an article on the Babylon Bee because it was saying that crisis pregnancy centers are spreading

01:05:13.100 misinformation and that they don't care about women and that they have all of these centers and

01:05:17.900 2,600 centers and they, you know, outrun Planned Parenthood. In the same article, it says that what

01:05:24.060 they call us anti-abortion, which I'll take that title. I'll also say I'm pro-life. I'm anti-abortion,

01:05:30.180 of course, because abortion takes life. But even in the same article, it was saying that pro-lifers,

01:05:35.340 anti-abortionists don't love for women. And yet in the same article, it says that our centers

01:05:40.260 outnumber Planned Parenthood. And so it really read like a truly a farce or a parody. And so

01:05:47.280 unfortunately, I would say I'm not surprised. And because I've had the opportunity to travel around

01:05:52.740 the world to work with orphans and vulnerable children in 24 different countries and 24 different

01:05:57.640 nations, I've been able to work in the People's Republic of China, been able to work in India,

01:06:03.140 been able to work in countries in the Middle East that I won't mention. And you see the persecution

01:06:08.420 against believers. And it's biblical. If you look in the Bible, light is always going to be attacked

01:06:14.720 by the darkness because the darkness does not like the light. And when you take the light of the

01:06:18.420 gospel, when you take the light of life, life created in the image of God, and you start to push

01:06:23.400 that into darkness, darkness will attack. And what I would tell these precious women who are getting

01:06:28.400 up each and every day to serve in the crisis pregnancy centers, what I would tell these precious

01:06:33.180 directors who literally have given their lives and their careers, these courageous women to loving

01:06:39.140 on women in vulnerable places, I would say, do not lose heart because we serve one who has overcome

01:06:44.940 the world. And remember that Peter says, do not be surprised, beloved, when the fiery trials come

01:06:51.080 against you. James says in James chapter one, count it all joy, my brothers, when you are persecuted.

01:06:57.020 I hate to say it because we've had so much time in the United States where we've not had to face

01:07:02.180 this type of persecution, but now we are facing this persecution. And now's not the time to tuck tail

01:07:07.900 and run. Now is the time to continue to persevere and to know that we are ultimately contending for the

01:07:15.040 lives and the souls of women and children. Yes. And amen. And if someone wants, they're hearing you

01:07:20.840 right now and they're convicted and they're saying, you know what? Okay, enough of being scared or

01:07:25.420 enough of being apathetic. I want to fight for this, this cause. I want to advocate for these

01:07:32.540 families and their children. They don't know where to start. What can someone do today to ensure that

01:07:40.640 they are helping and resourcing these women and children, how they can?

01:07:46.480 Well, I think the first thing, and it sounds trite a lot of times when we say it, but I certainly hope

01:07:52.200 that those that are listening will know that this is not at all trite, but we need to start on our

01:07:55.640 knees. We serve the God who owns a cattle on a thousand hills. We serve the God who created these

01:08:00.960 men, these women, these children in his image. He is the one that is the most pro-life, more pro-life

01:08:06.940 than we will ever be. And we need to go to the God of heaven to change hearts and change minds.

01:08:10.980 The word of God says that the heart of the King is like streams of water in the hand of our God.

01:08:16.820 We need to pray to that God to ask him to change hearts, to change minds. Even as we've been led to

01:08:22.280 pray for the Supreme Court, I have found myself praying more for the four justices who seem to be

01:08:28.600 against the leaked decision than I have the five justices. We need to be praying for hearts and

01:08:33.800 minds to be changed. We need to be praying that women would find our centers. And then we need to

01:08:39.160 not shrink back. You know, again, the Bible says we are not of those that shrink back,

01:08:43.420 but we are those that go forward. We have the truth on our side. When you don't have the truth

01:08:48.980 on your side, you have to make up lies. You have to make up terms. You have to make up slogans. You

01:08:53.240 have to show violence against those who are the truth bears. But we have the truth on our side and

01:08:58.260 we go forward knowing that we're not promised prosperity. We're not promised that this will be

01:09:03.580 peaceful. We're not promising that this will be easy, but we're ultimately contending for the souls

01:09:07.980 and the lives of women and children in our country. And it's worth it. And so I would encourage those

01:09:14.280 women to get up each and every day to go, you're strapped up with the armor of God, knowing that

01:09:20.400 you are going to contend for life. You're going to take the light of the hope of the gospel and that

01:09:26.800 you are going to defend life. And there's nothing more precious. There's no better calling than to go

01:09:32.360 and to defend life. And so I just pray that there will be boldness. I pray that there would be wisdom.

01:09:37.080 And I pray not for safety, but I pray for success in seeing the hearts and minds of men and women

01:09:43.340 changed. Yes. And amen. Absolutely. Thank you so much for articulating the mission. I can tell that

01:09:51.100 this is just where your heart is and that you are really, you truly are a great messenger for this

01:09:57.780 cause and a great motivator. If there has been anyone, any Christian who has kind of been on the

01:10:03.500 fence about getting involved or maybe speaking up about this because they're afraid that it's too

01:10:08.700 political or they have guilt about it, they don't know where they stand. I do hope and I pray that

01:10:14.440 they listen to your message and they realize that this truly is a matter of life and death. This truly

01:10:20.180 is a matter of good and evil far more than it is a matter of left versus right or Republican versus

01:10:26.140 Democrat. We're talking about light and darkness here. We're talking about image bearers, human beings,

01:10:31.560 defenseless, innocent human beings. And we're talking about their mothers. We're talking about

01:10:35.340 their families and that matters. Thank you so much for the courage that you have given us. Courage

01:10:41.700 begets courage and you have allowed us to borrow some of your courage today. So I really appreciate

01:10:46.040 that. And if people want to check out either your book or the organization that you direct,

01:10:51.340 where can they go to do that? Absolutely. Well, thanks for having me. And they can always go to

01:10:56.780 lifelinechild.org online. Again, that's lifelinechild.org and they can find out more about

01:11:02.500 our organization, how to get engaged, how to get involved in defending the fatherless and defending

01:11:07.300 vulnerable women on social media. If they look for Lifeline Child, they can find us on almost all of

01:11:13.840 the major social media platforms. And then I also want to just encourage folks to look for Stand for

01:11:19.680 Life. It's a coalition that we're a part of that includes Embrace Grace and the Human Coalition

01:11:26.420 and Heartbeat International and other pro-life leaders in this space that are coming together

01:11:31.120 to say, how do we hold each other's arms up like Erin and her did for Moses in the wilderness? How do

01:11:37.380 we hold our arms up so that we can continue to hold forth the light in this culture of darkness?

01:11:42.880 Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on and speak with us.

01:11:48.200 It was a pleasure. Anytime.

01:11:49.860 All right, mega episode today. I hope you guys enjoyed it. As I said, we are going to be gone

01:12:02.900 for the next week and then Memorial Day, the Monday after Memorial Day weekend. We will be gone. We will

01:12:10.020 be back that Tuesday. I just wanted to make sure that I could get in as much as I wanted to say

01:12:14.820 today. And I just want to end on a note of encouragement. So I want to read from Romans 8.28.

01:12:25.620 Let's see. Yeah. 8.28 through no, I'm going to start with 31 through 39. Okay. What then shall we say

01:12:37.680 to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? He who did not spare his own son, but gave

01:12:42.360 him up for us all. How will he not also with him graciously give us all things? Who shall bring

01:12:48.060 any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies. Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is

01:12:54.360 the one who died. More than that, who was raised, who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is

01:12:58.740 interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation or distress or

01:13:04.120 persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? As it is written, for your sake, we are being

01:13:09.900 killed all the day long. We are regarded as sheep to be slaughtered. No, in all these things, we are

01:13:15.140 more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels,

01:13:20.960 nor rulers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor anything else

01:13:26.340 in all creation can separate us. We'll be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus,

01:13:34.820 our Lord. Isn't that really good news? Isn't that really good news? Heidelberg Catechism,

01:13:41.940 question and answer one, what is your only comfort in life and in death that I am not my own, but

01:13:47.040 belong body and soul in life and in death to my faithful savior, Jesus Christ. He has fully paid for

01:13:53.260 all my sins with his precious blood and has set me free from the tyranny of the devil. He also, remember

01:13:59.060 this as you're scared to speak up at times. He also watches over me in such a way that not a hair

01:14:05.380 can fall from my head without the will of my father in heaven. In fact, all things must work together for

01:14:12.000 my salvation because I belong to him. Christ by his Holy Spirit assures me of eternal life and makes me

01:14:19.740 wholeheartedly willing and ready from now on to live for him. Keep living for him. That is our only

01:14:26.920 comfort in life or in death. You are placed when and where you are. So were your children and so will

01:14:32.020 your children's children be exactly where God wants us. We are here for a purpose to obey him,

01:14:37.440 to glorify him. He is going to protect us as much as he wants for as long as he wants and we can boldly

01:14:43.980 and courageously do exactly what he calls us to do. So let us continue to be salt and light. Let us

01:14:50.620 continue to be the aroma of Christ. Let us continue to be ambassadors for the gospel with the power and the

01:14:56.460 strength and the boldness and the courage of the Holy Spirit. Let us come together and link arms to

01:15:01.840 share arrows to remember that courage begets courage and to speak up for the things and the people that

01:15:09.320 matter. And oh, by the way, we also have new merchandise. If you don't, if you love God, as I said,

01:15:18.260 but you hate low rise jeans, then you will love our new merchandise. So make sure you check that out.

01:15:23.100 We'll link it. We've got stickers and we've got shirts and all that good stuff. I just wanted to

01:15:27.640 make sure that I gave one final shout out for that before we headed out. Thank you guys so much for who

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 19, 2022

Ep 620 ｜ MEGA Episode： The Dark Reality of Abortion Extremism & Left-Wing Terrorism ｜ Guest： Herbie Newell

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