Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 621 ｜ Why Banning Guns Won’t Fix It

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

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00:00:22.500 All right, guys, I really missed you last week.

00:00:25.700 I feel like I have been gone forever.

00:00:28.400 Today, we are going to talk about the shooting.

00:00:32.780 I won't rehash all of the details that you guys

00:00:35.480 probably have heard a few times now

00:00:38.320 since the shooting in Uvalde, Texas happened last week.

00:00:42.000 But I am going to try to give my perspective on it.

00:00:45.180 This epidemic of a lack of masculinity

00:00:48.620 and an epidemic of meaninglessness

00:00:50.920 that I think our society is suffering from.

00:00:54.360 And then, yeah, I will give my perspective

00:00:56.320 on guns and gun laws and the regulations.

00:00:59.340 Also, the failures and the factors

00:01:01.140 that played into all of this.

00:01:03.400 And so that's what we're going to talk about today.

00:01:05.480 And then, of course, I'm going to round it out

00:01:07.200 with the theological, the Christian perspective

00:01:10.400 on all of this.

00:01:12.120 But before we get into the more serious stuff,

00:01:14.820 I do just kind of want to start it by saying

00:01:17.320 how thankful I am for this podcast.

00:01:20.340 And for you guys, last week,

00:01:22.000 it was supposed to be kind of a break from talking

00:01:25.060 about the news that didn't end up really happening.

00:01:27.820 I wasn't on vacation.

00:01:28.980 I was still home.

00:01:29.800 So it was just kind of, you know, normal day to day,

00:01:32.680 minus the fact that I wasn't preparing

00:01:34.100 for the podcast and coming in.

00:01:35.340 So I did kind of still get a break.

00:01:37.240 But with everything going on,

00:01:38.780 I felt an obligation to bring you as much information

00:01:42.640 and perspective as I could about the shooting

00:01:45.360 and some of the other things going on.

00:01:47.040 And I actually found that I had a lot more anxiety

00:01:50.080 than I typically do in a normal week

00:01:54.920 when I'm doing the podcast.

00:01:56.900 And I was thinking, why is that?

00:01:58.140 Is it just because of the heaviness,

00:01:59.880 the gravity of what we're talking about?

00:02:02.920 Or is it because I use this podcast

00:02:05.540 as a way to externally process everything that's going on?

00:02:10.320 So without the ability to talk to you guys

00:02:13.960 about news stories and the issues of the week,

00:02:17.740 I was kind of having to hold it all inside.

00:02:19.780 Like I couldn't spill everything on Instagram,

00:02:23.000 nor did I want to.

00:02:24.980 And so I just had it, you know,

00:02:26.800 I was like a ball of just anxiety and worry inside me.

00:02:31.180 And I was really, it was good practice though,

00:02:32.900 because I was trying to release that

00:02:36.240 without having the podcast, you know,

00:02:38.760 through prayer and through, you know,

00:02:41.280 my thought processes and all of that.

00:02:44.140 But this podcast serves so many,

00:02:47.220 as so many different things for me.

00:02:48.560 One of them is being able to get out

00:02:51.360 all of the thoughts in my head

00:02:53.520 about everything that's going on.

00:02:54.880 It's actually very cathartic.

00:02:56.480 Also, if you notice the change in my voice,

00:02:59.140 I am a little bit congested, but I'm fine.

00:03:01.960 It's just a little lingering summer cold that I've got.

00:03:04.720 But in case you're worried about that.

00:03:06.340 So I'm thankful for this podcast for a variety of reasons.

00:03:09.980 I'm thankful for you guys.

00:03:11.060 I truly feel like we are a family

00:03:13.000 and I've built a community.

00:03:14.620 And I went through some, you know,

00:03:16.280 I don't know if you would call it drama,

00:03:19.100 but just some like back and forth conflict

00:03:21.840 last week on social media.

00:03:23.420 And I won't rehash it right now.

00:03:26.800 And if you follow, you know what I'm talking about.

00:03:29.000 And you guys were just really encouraging to me.

00:03:31.180 And it can be really,

00:03:32.240 it can be really kind of demoralizing

00:03:34.940 and discouraging when not only are you talking about

00:03:40.720 just some of the most tragic and depraved

00:03:43.860 and heartbreaking things

00:03:46.560 in talking about the stories that we discussed,

00:03:48.940 but also when there are disagreements among Christians,

00:03:51.700 when you feel like you're at odds

00:03:54.020 with Christians that you respect

00:03:55.320 when it comes to political issues.

00:03:56.820 That's what was happening last week.

00:03:58.420 That can just be really hard.

00:03:59.720 It can be really demoralizing.

00:04:01.060 And you guys really buoyed me

00:04:02.600 and gave me a lot of encouragement

00:04:04.680 and shared the arrows, if you will.

00:04:07.240 And I just appreciate that so much.

00:04:09.740 So thank you guys for being who you are.

00:04:11.640 I really did miss you.

00:04:13.080 In a couple of weeks,

00:04:13.900 we'll be taking another break.

00:04:15.200 I think that we will probably

00:04:16.980 pre-record some episodes for that,

00:04:19.300 but just taking another summer break.

00:04:22.760 So just be ready for that.

00:04:24.940 Oh, another thing this weekend

00:04:27.480 is Young Women's Leadership Summit,

00:04:30.100 Turning Point USA.

00:04:31.740 I'll be speaking on Friday.

00:04:33.480 If you're going to be there,

00:04:34.480 would love to meet you.

00:04:35.840 I think you can still sign up

00:04:37.520 and get your tickets and make plans to go.

00:04:40.360 You don't have to be technically a young woman.

00:04:42.600 There's a broad spectrum there.

00:04:44.820 But if you can go,

00:04:46.100 there's going to be a lot of awesome speakers.

00:04:48.380 This is probably my favorite event

00:04:50.800 that I do every year,

00:04:51.780 just because it's amazing to be in a room

00:04:53.400 with so many like-minded and energetic women.

00:04:55.540 So make sure you sign up for that

00:04:57.680 if you haven't already

00:04:59.040 and make sure to say hi

00:05:00.580 if you are there on Friday.

00:05:03.440 All right.

00:05:04.020 One more thing that I wanted to say

00:05:05.760 to just kind of start us off

00:05:07.060 on a positive note

00:05:08.040 before we get down into the nitty-gritty

00:05:11.200 and the mud of what happened last week.

00:05:13.900 I shared this on Instagram

00:05:15.700 and it was something I thought about.

00:05:19.900 It's not a revelation

00:05:20.880 because obviously I knew this,

00:05:22.740 but it was something I thought about last week.

00:05:24.360 Having more downtime

00:05:25.700 and more time to just do

00:05:28.000 the mundane things of life,

00:05:29.580 you know, run errands,

00:05:30.720 go to the park, all of that.

00:05:33.300 And there were so many pleasant interactions

00:05:36.360 that I had with strangers,

00:05:38.620 which is normal.

00:05:39.560 When you go to the grocery store,

00:05:40.800 when you go to the park,

00:05:42.000 when you go to a restaurant,

00:05:44.140 you talk to people that you don't know.

00:05:47.820 You don't know their background.

00:05:49.320 You don't know their political leanings.

00:05:50.840 You don't know what their reaction

00:05:51.920 on social media was

00:05:53.060 to the latest news stories.

00:05:54.960 And yet you have this very pleasant conversation

00:05:57.000 and you like the person.

00:05:59.780 And it made me think about

00:06:01.020 how different reality is from social media.

00:06:04.360 On social media,

00:06:05.260 you don't have the foundation of friendship

00:06:08.020 or just liking the other person

00:06:10.060 before you learn the thing about them

00:06:12.600 that makes you really angry.

00:06:14.020 You first learn about their political opinions,

00:06:16.860 the thing about them that you don't like,

00:06:18.780 and you don't have any kind of friendship foundation.

00:06:21.400 You don't have any reason

00:06:22.680 to give them the benefit of the doubt

00:06:24.100 because you don't even know

00:06:24.980 if you like the person.

00:06:26.220 So you automatically,

00:06:27.440 because of the opinion

00:06:28.540 that you heard them articulate,

00:06:31.560 think the worst thing about them.

00:06:34.720 And I think that we have to consider

00:06:38.480 that person that we think that we hate

00:06:41.280 because they have that terrible opinion,

00:06:42.960 which truly might be terrible.

00:06:44.620 And if we met them in real life,

00:06:46.240 if we saw them playing with their toddler at the park

00:06:49.260 and you struck up a conversation

00:06:50.980 and you talked about the things

00:06:52.080 that you have in common,

00:06:53.260 that you would probably really like that person.

00:06:55.120 That person probably isn't terrible.

00:06:57.220 They're probably not mean-spirited.

00:06:58.680 They probably don't lack empathy and compassion.

00:07:01.320 They could be totally wrong on that particular thing,

00:07:04.480 but you probably wouldn't hate them.

00:07:06.160 I sometimes think,

00:07:07.480 if I didn't know anything about AOC's politics

00:07:10.040 and we just saw each other

00:07:12.460 and I don't know,

00:07:13.600 we sat by each other on a plane,

00:07:15.360 we would probably have a lot in common

00:07:17.500 and maybe,

00:07:18.140 I don't know,

00:07:19.180 this might be too far,

00:07:20.100 but maybe we would become friends

00:07:21.860 or something like that.

00:07:23.060 I think about that often

00:07:24.060 and maybe,

00:07:25.000 and I'm totally speaking to myself too,

00:07:28.060 we should have that consideration

00:07:29.900 before we respond to someone

00:07:31.800 or talk about someone on social media

00:07:33.780 that they are a human being,

00:07:36.480 that if we met them in person as a stranger,

00:07:38.960 we would probably like them.

00:07:40.720 And we have to remember

00:07:42.020 that friendship in the real world

00:07:44.440 gives us a foundation

00:07:45.780 that makes it easier to disagree

00:07:48.420 in a way that still ends

00:07:50.800 in reconciliation and love

00:07:52.740 because you had everything leading up

00:07:55.360 to that disagreement

00:07:56.240 where you shared a lot of things in common

00:07:58.680 and you know that person is not terrible.

00:08:01.580 And so we should consider that,

00:08:03.320 I think,

00:08:03.800 before we judge too quickly on social media,

00:08:07.120 before we try to malign someone's motives

00:08:09.100 or character,

00:08:10.860 they probably are a pretty good person.

00:08:12.760 They just happen to really disagree with you.

00:08:16.060 And I am preaching to the choir

00:08:17.420 because I certainly don't always consider that

00:08:19.500 when I see someone's bad opinions

00:08:21.200 on social media and respond.

00:08:22.960 So just a lesson,

00:08:24.460 a lesson from Allie's break last week

00:08:26.660 that I think we all,

00:08:28.400 me included,

00:08:29.440 need to apply.

00:08:31.180 And before I get into this,

00:08:32.700 I am going to take a pause

00:08:33.640 and tell you about our first sponsor.

00:08:35.060 But this does loop into

00:08:37.220 what we're talking about today

00:08:38.420 because I do think America

00:08:39.800 is uniquely divided in the world.

00:08:42.220 I think we're uniquely partisan.

00:08:43.940 I think we're uniquely vitriolic.

00:08:46.040 I think that we are uniquely emotional.

00:08:49.000 We are uniquely online.

00:08:51.200 And I think that causes

00:08:52.520 a lot of the violence

00:08:54.020 and a lot of the vitriol

00:08:56.100 and just a lot of the hatred

00:08:58.440 and resentment

00:08:59.460 and fieriness

00:09:01.960 of the debates

00:09:03.300 and the discussions that we have

00:09:05.180 that then does

00:09:06.540 kind of lay the groundwork

00:09:07.960 for some of the tragedies

00:09:09.520 that we have seen recently,

00:09:11.340 including the tragedy

00:09:12.300 that we saw last week.

00:09:17.160 Okay, so for those of you

00:09:18.700 who you maybe didn't tune in

00:09:20.520 to the news last week,

00:09:21.660 you just tuned in

00:09:22.600 to Relatable for the News,

00:09:23.700 I do want to make sure

00:09:24.420 that I give you guys

00:09:25.280 some context

00:09:25.820 and some details

00:09:26.600 about what went on

00:09:27.980 without rehashing it too much

00:09:30.420 and in too much detail

00:09:31.560 for those of you

00:09:32.340 who were paying attention last week

00:09:33.860 and you have already heard

00:09:37.300 everything that happened

00:09:38.240 summarized and analyzed

00:09:39.600 quite a few times.

00:09:41.020 So in summary,

00:09:42.320 an 18-year-old killed 21 people

00:09:44.400 last week in Uvalde, Texas,

00:09:46.380 19 children,

00:09:47.780 9 and 10-year-olds,

00:09:48.740 and two teachers.

00:09:50.640 And one of the most tragic stories

00:09:52.400 that I heard come out

00:09:54.400 of all of this

00:09:54.980 is that the husband

00:09:55.800 of one of the two teachers

00:09:57.920 who was murdered,

00:09:59.060 he suffered from

00:10:00.720 a fatal heart attack

00:10:02.040 the next day

00:10:03.120 after she died

00:10:04.980 and they leave behind

00:10:06.380 four children.

00:10:07.560 Can you imagine

00:10:08.760 the trauma

00:10:09.760 that those kids

00:10:10.380 are going through?

00:10:11.340 The heartache,

00:10:12.080 the heartbreak.

00:10:12.600 I pray to God

00:10:13.380 that they have community.

00:10:14.440 I pray to God

00:10:15.060 that Christians

00:10:15.580 would surround them

00:10:16.600 and would take care of them

00:10:17.940 and would meet their needs.

00:10:18.920 There is a GoFundMe

00:10:19.800 for those children.

00:10:20.680 I hope that those funds

00:10:21.680 take care of all the needs

00:10:22.820 that they have,

00:10:23.780 but gosh,

00:10:24.220 their needs go so far

00:10:25.360 beyond financial.

00:10:26.720 They're going to need

00:10:27.420 emotional support.

00:10:28.400 They're going to need

00:10:29.160 probably years of counseling.

00:10:30.800 They're going to need

00:10:31.560 the church to show up for them.

00:10:32.920 They're going to need

00:10:33.740 people to stand in

00:10:36.080 as their parents,

00:10:37.260 as their protectors,

00:10:38.160 as their providers.

00:10:38.880 I am so saddened

00:10:41.020 for those children.

00:10:42.700 I'm saddened

00:10:43.320 for all of these families.

00:10:44.780 I mean,

00:10:44.960 can you imagine

00:10:45.680 the parents

00:10:47.200 who are waking up today

00:10:48.760 hoping,

00:10:49.820 hoping that they can

00:10:51.000 just pinch themselves,

00:10:52.140 that someone will just

00:10:52.800 shake them

00:10:53.240 and they'll wake up

00:10:54.020 from this nightmare

00:10:54.740 who haven't even

00:10:55.940 probably been able

00:10:57.060 to process the fact

00:10:58.160 that their nine

00:10:59.380 and ten-year-old babies

00:11:00.540 are about to be buried.

00:11:03.420 These parents are

00:11:03.960 burying their kids

00:11:04.840 this week.

00:11:05.260 They will never talk

00:11:05.960 to them again.

00:11:06.680 They'll never hug them again.

00:11:08.020 They'll never say

00:11:08.620 goodnight to them again.

00:11:10.280 I mean,

00:11:10.760 it's hard for me

00:11:11.640 to even keep it together

00:11:12.460 thinking about that.

00:11:13.600 I am so saddened

00:11:16.220 for what this community

00:11:17.460 is going through,

00:11:18.280 for what these families

00:11:19.080 are going through,

00:11:19.800 what these parents

00:11:20.920 are experiencing right now.

00:11:22.320 Unless you've gone

00:11:22.980 through it,

00:11:23.380 I haven't.

00:11:24.140 I pray that I never do.

00:11:26.400 I pray that you never do.

00:11:27.800 I don't think

00:11:28.360 that we can imagine

00:11:29.180 the pain

00:11:30.720 of the loss

00:11:31.560 of a child.

00:11:32.160 From what I've heard,

00:11:32.840 it is the most painful

00:11:33.800 experience that a person

00:11:35.000 can ever go through.

00:11:36.340 I mean,

00:11:36.560 of course,

00:11:36.980 losing your spouse,

00:11:37.820 losing your parent,

00:11:38.560 losing your friend

00:11:39.300 is awful,

00:11:40.980 but there is nothing.

00:11:42.360 And I can just imagine

00:11:43.700 it as a mom,

00:11:44.920 even though I can't

00:11:47.600 empathize with it

00:11:48.300 because I've never

00:11:48.780 been there.

00:11:49.320 the pain

00:11:52.220 of losing

00:11:53.020 a child,

00:11:54.260 that child,

00:11:55.000 it's like your heart

00:11:56.360 walking around

00:11:57.420 outside your body.

00:11:58.920 I mean,

00:11:59.100 you would do anything

00:12:00.200 for them,

00:12:01.100 anything.

00:12:01.980 I mean,

00:12:02.200 as soon as you

00:12:03.960 become pregnant

00:12:04.880 and then especially

00:12:06.040 on another level,

00:12:07.740 it seems,

00:12:08.240 as soon as they lay

00:12:08.980 that child on your chest

00:12:09.880 or as soon as you

00:12:11.280 see your adopted child

00:12:13.080 for the first time,

00:12:14.220 like you just know

00:12:14.980 something just hits you,

00:12:15.940 this wave of love

00:12:17.340 and you realize

00:12:18.620 that you would die

00:12:20.060 a thousand deaths

00:12:21.200 for that child

00:12:22.660 just to ensure

00:12:24.860 that they would be okay.

00:12:26.520 So the depth

00:12:27.620 of the grief

00:12:28.280 and the pain

00:12:29.000 that these parents

00:12:29.780 of these families

00:12:30.420 are feeling,

00:12:31.300 oh my goodness.

00:12:32.780 Again,

00:12:33.340 we need to pray

00:12:34.140 for them.

00:12:34.720 We need to pray

00:12:35.320 that the God

00:12:35.900 of all peace

00:12:36.740 would surround them,

00:12:38.700 would fill their hearts,

00:12:39.920 would comfort them,

00:12:40.940 would be with them,

00:12:41.980 that the community

00:12:42.840 would come together,

00:12:43.760 that somehow

00:12:44.420 God would be glorified

00:12:46.080 out of this

00:12:47.160 and that might sound

00:12:48.040 strange to say,

00:12:49.380 but God does use

00:12:51.120 for good

00:12:51.620 what Satan means

00:12:52.560 for evil.

00:12:53.640 He can be glorified

00:12:55.140 in the midst

00:12:55.720 of evil and tragedy.

00:12:57.320 The gospel can go out

00:12:58.780 and be heard

00:12:59.480 and believed.

00:13:01.000 Communities can be rebuilt,

00:13:02.660 although this community,

00:13:04.040 these families,

00:13:04.680 these parents

00:13:05.060 will never be the same.

00:13:07.540 But there can be

00:13:08.720 God glorifying things

00:13:10.120 that come out of this

00:13:10.920 because that is who God is.

00:13:12.820 He brings beauty

00:13:13.700 from the ashes.

00:13:14.900 He redeems

00:13:15.580 that which seems

00:13:16.620 irredeemable,

00:13:17.660 that which seems

00:13:18.740 broken.

00:13:20.100 And so I pray

00:13:20.700 that that's what

00:13:21.180 God would do here.

00:13:21.940 I do pray that the gospel

00:13:23.160 would go out.

00:13:23.900 That's, of course,

00:13:24.400 the last thing

00:13:25.020 that Satan wants.

00:13:25.980 He wants evil

00:13:26.900 to have the last word.

00:13:28.060 He wants evil

00:13:28.700 to rule.

00:13:29.680 He wants wickedness

00:13:31.640 to have the last say,

00:13:34.660 both in this situation

00:13:35.760 and eternally.

00:13:37.240 But we already know

00:13:39.260 because we can read

00:13:40.200 the end of the Bible

00:13:41.000 that that's not going

00:13:41.900 to be the case,

00:13:42.560 that wickedness

00:13:43.060 will not have

00:13:43.780 the last say,

00:13:44.660 that evil will not

00:13:45.540 rule forevermore.

00:13:46.820 Psalm 37 tells us

00:13:48.000 that the wicked

00:13:48.760 one day will be no more.

00:13:50.500 He will fade like the grass

00:13:51.940 and wither like the green herb.

00:13:54.300 And God in his righteousness

00:13:55.560 will rule in perfect peace

00:13:57.060 and he will do away

00:13:57.840 with evil and wickedness forever.

00:14:00.120 There will be no mass murders.

00:14:01.380 There will be no sickness.

00:14:02.340 There will be no more sadness.

00:14:03.600 There will be no more injustice.

00:14:05.880 We know that Satan

00:14:07.180 will not have

00:14:08.200 the last word in eternity.

00:14:10.100 So when people do,

00:14:10.920 when people ask,

00:14:11.620 how can a good sovereign God

00:14:13.840 allow these parents

00:14:15.040 to go through this,

00:14:16.880 allow these children

00:14:17.540 to suffer in this way

00:14:19.720 if he is all good

00:14:20.560 and he is all powerful,

00:14:21.860 he's all knowing,

00:14:22.720 he's all seen,

00:14:23.440 he's everywhere at once,

00:14:24.540 he could have prevented this

00:14:25.780 and that means

00:14:26.500 he chose not to.

00:14:28.180 I understand that

00:14:29.460 and I think

00:14:29.960 that's a good question.

00:14:30.880 I think that's

00:14:31.260 an understandable feeling

00:14:32.440 to have,

00:14:33.160 that kind of doubt

00:14:34.400 and that wrestling

00:14:35.240 and to just kind of

00:14:36.120 let yourself sit

00:14:36.900 in that tension

00:14:37.520 and the discomfort.

00:14:38.760 I would say

00:14:39.520 don't fall back

00:14:41.740 on this idea

00:14:42.400 that, oh,

00:14:43.440 it didn't,

00:14:43.960 you know,

00:14:44.200 God isn't sovereign

00:14:45.140 over this kind of stuff.

00:14:46.900 He couldn't have stopped it

00:14:47.960 if he wanted to.

00:14:48.680 No,

00:14:49.200 God is all powerful.

00:14:50.620 He is all seen.

00:14:51.520 He is all knowing

00:14:52.640 and yet evil happens.

00:14:56.240 Sin entered the world

00:14:57.360 and what I comfort myself with

00:15:00.080 is that God is not

00:15:01.280 sitting on his

00:15:02.260 proverbial hands.

00:15:03.960 God is not apathetic.

00:15:05.320 God is not

00:15:06.160 just waiting around

00:15:08.060 wondering what's going

00:15:08.960 to happen,

00:15:09.600 that he is

00:15:10.480 ultimately

00:15:11.380 sovereign

00:15:13.280 and that

00:15:14.080 he is

00:15:15.300 and will

00:15:16.060 do something

00:15:17.100 about all evil

00:15:18.300 and wickedness.

00:15:19.180 He will destroy it

00:15:20.340 forever.

00:15:21.980 There is a day

00:15:22.900 coming

00:15:23.480 when justice

00:15:24.400 and righteousness

00:15:25.140 and peace

00:15:26.020 will rule.

00:15:28.120 And so

00:15:28.580 when you're wondering

00:15:30.140 why isn't God

00:15:31.060 doing something,

00:15:32.080 God's eternal plan

00:15:33.420 of redemption

00:15:34.060 is always going off

00:15:35.700 without a hitch

00:15:36.400 and all things

00:15:37.480 work together

00:15:38.620 eternally,

00:15:40.000 ultimately

00:15:40.420 for the good

00:15:41.520 of those

00:15:42.100 who love God

00:15:42.880 and are called

00:15:43.480 according to his purpose.

00:15:45.000 Romans 8 28

00:15:45.960 So God

00:15:47.580 will be a vengeful God.

00:15:49.540 He will avenge

00:15:50.220 all bloodshed

00:15:51.820 of innocent people.

00:15:52.800 He will avenge

00:15:53.560 all evil.

00:15:54.440 He will avenge

00:15:55.140 all the works

00:15:56.060 of the devil

00:15:56.680 and all the works

00:15:57.700 of evildoers.

00:15:59.040 He is doing something.

00:16:00.460 He will do something.

00:16:02.140 And that doesn't mean

00:16:02.840 that we can make sense

00:16:03.680 of all evil

00:16:04.260 and all tragedy

00:16:05.000 doesn't mean

00:16:05.380 that it's okay.

00:16:06.160 He certainly

00:16:06.520 doesn't approve of it.

00:16:07.520 He hates sin.

00:16:08.320 He hates transgression.

00:16:09.440 He hates iniquity.

00:16:10.700 He hates the shedding

00:16:11.560 of innocent blood.

00:16:12.400 That's something

00:16:12.780 we see repeatedly

00:16:13.520 throughout Scripture.

00:16:15.320 But we have to trust

00:16:16.840 that God's plan

00:16:17.720 of redemption,

00:16:18.460 that God's goodness,

00:16:19.400 that God's faithfulness

00:16:20.520 is still just as steady

00:16:22.120 as ever

00:16:23.480 and that he is

00:16:24.920 and will do something

00:16:26.620 about the evil

00:16:27.560 that we experience

00:16:28.560 on earth,

00:16:29.280 that the blood

00:16:30.120 of these innocent children

00:16:31.400 and these two teachers

00:16:33.140 who died

00:16:33.600 will be avenged.

00:16:36.120 It one day

00:16:36.800 will be avenged

00:16:38.540 in eternity,

00:16:39.620 but also in this life

00:16:41.120 that's part of why

00:16:41.880 we believe

00:16:42.480 in a justice system.

00:16:44.580 That's part of why

00:16:45.400 we believe in punishment

00:16:46.500 for crime.

00:16:47.620 It is not only

00:16:49.140 to deter crime.

00:16:50.980 It's not only

00:16:51.780 just for punitive measures.

00:16:53.420 It is because

00:16:54.500 we are recognizing

00:16:56.020 the immorality

00:16:57.120 and the wrongness

00:16:58.800 of violating

00:17:00.320 another person's rights.

00:17:02.220 The chief right

00:17:02.820 is the right

00:17:03.420 to not be murdered,

00:17:04.680 the right to life.

00:17:07.400 And so I just,

00:17:08.500 I wasn't even planning

00:17:09.640 to start

00:17:10.540 with all of that,

00:17:11.640 but as I'm thinking

00:17:12.820 about the pain

00:17:14.340 and the injustice

00:17:15.220 of all of this

00:17:16.340 and the confusion

00:17:16.920 that so many must feel,

00:17:18.200 including these parents,

00:17:19.020 I just wanted to

00:17:20.180 remind us

00:17:22.000 that we have

00:17:22.400 a sovereign

00:17:22.940 and very good God

00:17:24.820 who cares

00:17:26.440 and who sees

00:17:27.440 and who knows

00:17:28.320 and is close

00:17:29.920 to the brokenhearted

00:17:31.120 and also hates evil

00:17:33.580 and, as I said,

00:17:35.200 will be doing

00:17:35.960 something about it.

00:17:37.260 He will be doing

00:17:38.160 something about it.

00:17:39.100 And also,

00:17:40.180 I think just a reminder,

00:17:41.420 and this is not something

00:17:42.220 to rejoice over,

00:17:43.500 but it also,

00:17:44.200 it does speak to

00:17:45.500 God's commitment

00:17:46.820 to justice.

00:17:48.100 This shooter,

00:17:48.900 according to

00:17:49.440 Christian theology,

00:17:50.560 unless he repented

00:17:51.820 before he was shot,

00:17:54.820 and killed,

00:17:56.220 he is now

00:17:57.120 suffering

00:17:58.100 the consequences

00:17:59.160 of sin

00:18:00.080 in hell

00:18:00.800 and he will

00:18:02.180 for all of eternity.

00:18:04.920 And so,

00:18:05.940 while that doesn't

00:18:07.020 make our hearts

00:18:08.000 break any less

00:18:09.020 for the children

00:18:10.020 and the loss

00:18:11.200 of innocent life,

00:18:13.000 we can rest assured

00:18:14.700 that he is

00:18:16.260 right now

00:18:17.220 experiencing justice.

00:18:21.600 So,

00:18:22.340 the shooter

00:18:22.760 shot his grandmother

00:18:23.600 as well.

00:18:24.120 As far as I

00:18:25.360 can read,

00:18:26.160 she's still

00:18:26.460 in critical condition.

00:18:27.500 Again,

00:18:28.180 pray for her.

00:18:29.460 The shooter,

00:18:30.440 as I already said,

00:18:31.260 he's deceased.

00:18:32.180 He was shot

00:18:33.880 by Border Patrol

00:18:35.200 and we'll get

00:18:35.620 into more

00:18:36.140 of the details

00:18:36.780 of that

00:18:37.140 in just a second.

00:18:38.300 Also,

00:18:38.720 just a note

00:18:39.080 on praying.

00:18:39.860 I saw

00:18:41.460 someone say

00:18:42.820 on Instagram,

00:18:43.980 a person who

00:18:44.480 was followed

00:18:44.840 by a lot of people

00:18:45.960 saying that praying

00:18:46.960 is obviously

00:18:47.700 not working.

00:18:48.620 Thoughts and prayers

00:18:49.080 aren't working,

00:18:49.680 so we need to be

00:18:50.860 doing something else.

00:18:52.440 Well,

00:18:53.440 we have,

00:18:54.140 you have no idea

00:18:55.920 what prayers

00:18:57.180 are accomplishing.

00:18:58.140 You have no idea

00:18:59.020 what crimes are

00:18:59.740 prevented from prayer.

00:19:00.940 You have no idea

00:19:01.720 what lives are being

00:19:03.020 saved because of prayer.

00:19:04.460 You have no idea

00:19:05.200 the miracles that are

00:19:06.040 happening on a daily

00:19:06.900 basis because of prayer.

00:19:09.040 Prayer is not passive.

00:19:10.720 Prayer is not inactivity.

00:19:12.220 Prayer is not apathy.

00:19:13.720 Prayer is not complacency.

00:19:15.540 Prayer is an activity.

00:19:17.760 Prayer is work.

00:19:19.100 Prayer is doing something.

00:19:24.120 So don't let someone

00:19:26.000 tell you that prayer

00:19:27.140 is just the option

00:19:28.620 that people choose

00:19:30.200 when they don't want

00:19:31.660 to be uncomfortable

00:19:32.320 or when they don't

00:19:33.120 want to do something.

00:19:34.380 Just because something

00:19:35.400 bad happens

00:19:36.320 despite prayer

00:19:37.240 doesn't mean

00:19:38.120 that prayer

00:19:39.380 is doing nothing.

00:19:40.420 Again,

00:19:41.040 God's work

00:19:41.640 does not necessarily

00:19:42.860 make headlines.

00:19:44.160 It's not trending

00:19:44.780 on Twitter.

00:19:45.400 It's not going to be

00:19:46.120 the center of every

00:19:47.540 conversation that you're

00:19:48.440 having.

00:19:48.880 It's not going to be

00:19:49.560 what the influencers

00:19:50.220 are talking about

00:19:50.980 on Instagram and TikTok.

00:19:52.260 That doesn't mean

00:19:52.740 that he's not working.

00:19:53.700 Again,

00:19:54.000 you have no idea

00:19:54.900 the miracles are

00:19:55.560 accomplished because

00:19:56.280 God decided to work

00:19:59.660 through prayer

00:20:00.360 to accomplish something.

00:20:01.940 You don't know

00:20:02.300 the lives saved.

00:20:03.040 You don't know

00:20:03.500 the good that has

00:20:04.100 happened.

00:20:04.540 You don't know

00:20:05.040 the work that has

00:20:05.680 been done

00:20:06.220 because of Christians

00:20:10.120 praying to God

00:20:11.320 who is all-powerful.

00:20:12.320 James 5.16

00:20:13.260 Therefore,

00:20:14.260 confess your sins

00:20:15.020 to one another

00:20:15.540 and pray for one

00:20:16.280 another that you

00:20:16.920 may be healed.

00:20:17.600 The prayer

00:20:18.560 of a righteous

00:20:19.340 person has

00:20:20.600 great power

00:20:22.080 as it is working.

00:20:23.840 Shame on the

00:20:24.660 person who

00:20:25.840 calls herself

00:20:26.960 a Christian

00:20:27.500 who says

00:20:28.940 that prayer

00:20:29.740 is just kind of

00:20:30.560 some supplementary

00:20:31.580 thing.

00:20:32.080 Sure,

00:20:32.260 you can do it

00:20:32.780 because it might

00:20:33.240 make you feel

00:20:33.840 a little bit

00:20:34.440 better,

00:20:35.420 but it's not

00:20:37.420 really accomplishing

00:20:38.340 anything.

00:20:38.980 Not according

00:20:39.500 to the God

00:20:39.980 who created it.

00:20:41.300 Not according

00:20:41.800 to the God

00:20:42.420 to whom we are

00:20:43.400 praying.

00:20:43.800 The prayer

00:20:44.540 of a righteous

00:20:45.140 person,

00:20:45.520 that means

00:20:45.860 everyone who

00:20:46.340 is in Christ

00:20:46.960 because he

00:20:47.440 has given

00:20:47.800 us his

00:20:48.260 righteous.

00:20:48.800 This is not

00:20:49.260 some moralism

00:20:50.420 like you've

00:20:51.200 done a list

00:20:51.720 of good deeds,

00:20:52.700 but the prayer

00:20:53.000 of a righteous

00:20:53.540 person,

00:20:54.140 so the person

00:20:54.580 who is in

00:20:55.040 Christ,

00:20:55.700 has great

00:20:56.400 power

00:20:57.420 as it is

00:20:59.100 working.

00:21:00.480 You are

00:21:00.760 doing something

00:21:01.260 by praying.

00:21:02.220 That's not to

00:21:02.780 say we shouldn't

00:21:03.200 do other things

00:21:03.900 too.

00:21:04.320 Obviously,

00:21:04.700 in regard to

00:21:05.280 abortion,

00:21:06.400 we think that

00:21:06.840 we should be

00:21:07.160 praying for an

00:21:07.620 end to abortion,

00:21:08.520 praying for the

00:21:08.980 women who are

00:21:09.440 considering an

00:21:10.020 abortion,

00:21:10.700 praying for the

00:21:12.140 children and

00:21:12.620 families involved

00:21:13.460 and pray for

00:21:14.620 the people who

00:21:16.120 are performing

00:21:16.740 abortions,

00:21:17.340 all of that.

00:21:18.320 Of course,

00:21:18.980 we believe in

00:21:19.440 praying,

00:21:19.740 but we also

00:21:20.180 believe in

00:21:20.740 going to

00:21:21.660 those clinics

00:21:22.300 and praying

00:21:22.960 with those

00:21:23.360 women and

00:21:23.740 talking with

00:21:24.200 those women.

00:21:24.660 We also

00:21:24.980 believe in

00:21:25.380 legislation.

00:21:26.100 So I

00:21:26.720 understand that

00:21:27.540 people are

00:21:28.000 saying that,

00:21:28.660 okay, you

00:21:28.920 don't just

00:21:29.300 pray, you

00:21:29.640 need to do

00:21:30.040 these other

00:21:30.420 things.

00:21:31.060 Even if you

00:21:31.580 and I,

00:21:31.960 if you are

00:21:32.360 maybe on the

00:21:33.900 more liberal

00:21:34.380 side of this,

00:21:35.360 even if you

00:21:35.800 and I don't

00:21:36.260 necessarily agree

00:21:37.020 on what that

00:21:37.500 legislation could

00:21:38.200 look like,

00:21:38.580 I do understand

00:21:39.660 when you say,

00:21:41.200 okay, but we

00:21:41.820 also need

00:21:42.460 some other

00:21:44.920 action in

00:21:45.840 addition to

00:21:46.980 praying.

00:21:47.460 Okay, I

00:21:48.200 totally get

00:21:48.880 what you're

00:21:49.200 saying and

00:21:49.800 I'm on board

00:21:50.420 with the logic

00:21:51.000 of what you're

00:21:51.920 saying, but I

00:21:52.860 just want to

00:21:53.260 make clear that

00:21:54.340 people who

00:21:54.920 pray are not

00:21:55.900 simply being

00:21:56.460 passive and

00:21:56.940 not doing

00:21:57.380 anything.

00:21:57.920 You are

00:21:58.120 praying to a

00:21:58.700 God who,

00:21:59.180 again, you

00:21:59.460 have no idea

00:22:00.220 what he is

00:22:01.340 accomplishing

00:22:01.920 through the

00:22:02.960 power of

00:22:03.540 prayer.

00:22:04.640 So as I

00:22:05.440 said, there

00:22:06.280 were 21

00:22:08.260 victims, most

00:22:10.360 9 to 10

00:22:10.840 year olds, and

00:22:11.560 then two

00:22:12.960 teachers who

00:22:13.900 were 48 and

00:22:14.800 44, and my

00:22:17.800 goodness, just

00:22:18.380 the ripple

00:22:19.640 effect of

00:22:20.560 these lives

00:22:21.100 lost, it's

00:22:21.640 unquantifiable,

00:22:23.540 and it's,

00:22:24.140 again, so

00:22:24.680 hard to imagine

00:22:26.900 what this

00:22:27.280 community and

00:22:27.760 what these

00:22:28.000 families are

00:22:28.460 going to

00:22:28.740 experience for

00:22:29.400 the rest of

00:22:30.540 their lives.

00:22:32.020 So a little

00:22:32.820 bit more about

00:22:33.560 the shooter, and

00:22:34.140 this is kind of

00:22:34.600 going to segue

00:22:35.160 into what I

00:22:36.900 think is the

00:22:37.320 bigger picture in

00:22:38.660 all of this.

00:22:39.300 So he's 18

00:22:39.940 years old, lived

00:22:40.680 with his

00:22:40.960 grandmother,

00:22:42.020 reportedly his

00:22:42.820 mother struggled

00:22:43.300 with drug

00:22:43.640 addiction, father

00:22:44.800 not a part of

00:22:45.900 his life.

00:22:46.800 He was

00:22:47.020 described by

00:22:47.560 those who

00:22:47.880 knew him as

00:22:48.780 a loner, as

00:22:49.540 antisocial.

00:22:50.540 A friend

00:22:50.800 described the

00:22:51.300 time when he

00:22:51.820 showed up to

00:22:52.220 play basketball

00:22:52.800 in his

00:22:53.140 neighborhood, and

00:22:53.620 he had cuts

00:22:54.060 all over his

00:22:54.540 face, and

00:22:54.920 apparently that's

00:22:56.300 something that

00:22:56.740 he did.

00:22:57.140 He decided to

00:22:57.660 cut his own

00:22:58.120 face over and

00:22:58.900 over again, and

00:22:59.500 he said it was

00:23:00.020 just fun.

00:23:01.340 The New York

00:23:01.680 Post reported

00:23:02.300 that he has

00:23:03.240 documented cruelty

00:23:04.120 to animals.

00:23:04.880 He posted about

00:23:05.460 it on social

00:23:05.980 media.

00:23:06.380 I won't even

00:23:06.760 give the

00:23:07.020 details of

00:23:07.540 that.

00:23:07.840 It really

00:23:08.020 breaks my

00:23:08.500 heart.

00:23:09.400 He reportedly

00:23:10.100 shot at

00:23:10.540 people with

00:23:10.940 a BB

00:23:11.200 gun, again,

00:23:12.040 just for what

00:23:12.760 he considered

00:23:13.280 fun.

00:23:13.980 He threatened

00:23:14.340 girls with

00:23:14.780 rape.

00:23:15.280 He routinely

00:23:15.920 threatened

00:23:16.260 violence towards

00:23:17.040 people.

00:23:17.840 He had had

00:23:18.340 Instagram direct

00:23:19.580 messages about

00:23:20.540 his guns,

00:23:21.240 cryptic messages

00:23:22.020 about wanting

00:23:24.140 to kill

00:23:24.580 people.

00:23:25.640 He said he

00:23:26.340 was bullied

00:23:26.840 because of

00:23:27.360 his clothes

00:23:27.780 and because

00:23:28.160 he's poor.

00:23:29.980 We don't

00:23:30.660 know.

00:23:31.040 We don't

00:23:31.420 know necessarily

00:23:32.140 if that's

00:23:32.620 true.

00:23:33.040 Of course,

00:23:33.680 that's not an

00:23:34.020 excuse.

00:23:34.440 There's a lot

00:23:35.120 of people who

00:23:35.780 are bullied.

00:23:36.160 I would say

00:23:36.560 all of us

00:23:37.160 at one point

00:23:37.740 were probably

00:23:38.320 bullied or

00:23:38.880 probably excluded

00:23:39.640 or probably

00:23:40.520 talked badly

00:23:41.620 about, had a

00:23:42.400 hard time

00:23:42.960 socially.

00:23:43.540 I don't know

00:23:43.860 if there's

00:23:44.180 anyone who

00:23:44.700 just skates

00:23:45.260 through kindergarten

00:23:45.900 through 12th

00:23:46.540 grade without

00:23:47.240 having any

00:23:48.700 sort of hard

00:23:49.540 time making

00:23:50.940 friends or

00:23:51.560 feeling different.

00:23:52.640 He says he

00:23:53.400 was bullied

00:23:53.860 because of

00:23:54.280 his clothes

00:23:54.780 or because he

00:23:57.100 was poor.

00:23:58.160 However, there's

00:23:58.820 a picture of

00:23:59.420 him going around

00:24:00.240 where he's

00:24:00.660 taking a selfie

00:24:01.260 and he's

00:24:01.540 holding an

00:24:01.980 iPhone 13.

00:24:03.920 I'm just not

00:24:04.780 sure you can

00:24:05.240 consider yourself

00:24:05.840 poor in the

00:24:06.760 true sense

00:24:07.120 of the word.

00:24:07.600 He might be

00:24:08.200 not as rich

00:24:08.900 as some of

00:24:09.200 your friends,

00:24:09.700 but can you

00:24:10.060 consider yourself

00:24:10.640 poor with a

00:24:11.420 brand new

00:24:11.740 iPhone 13?

00:24:12.900 Some people

00:24:13.420 also pointed

00:24:14.220 out that the

00:24:15.100 AR-15 that he

00:24:15.980 used was a

00:24:16.420 Daniel Defense

00:24:17.160 rifle, which is

00:24:18.280 apparently almost

00:24:19.040 $2,000 and I

00:24:20.020 think he had two

00:24:20.560 of them.

00:24:21.320 There's a lot of

00:24:22.040 things in all of

00:24:22.620 this that make

00:24:22.920 you go, hmm,

00:24:23.580 not that ultimately

00:24:24.580 I guess that

00:24:25.220 matters whether he

00:24:26.320 was poor or not,

00:24:28.860 but I do think

00:24:29.440 that there is a

00:24:29.900 question like where

00:24:30.520 did he get all

00:24:31.300 of the money to

00:24:32.520 buy these things,

00:24:34.140 especially if he

00:24:34.940 truly didn't

00:24:35.620 have very much

00:24:36.920 money, like how

00:24:38.080 did that happen?

00:24:38.840 How did that

00:24:39.180 work?

00:24:39.400 How did he get

00:24:39.840 the money to

00:24:40.600 buy those two

00:24:41.160 rifles?

00:24:41.520 I think that's

00:24:41.900 something that

00:24:42.300 people should

00:24:42.680 probably explore.

00:24:44.560 Now this is a

00:24:45.220 very typical profile

00:24:46.220 of school

00:24:46.580 shooters, young

00:24:47.760 males, mental

00:24:49.140 health problems,

00:24:50.420 loner, documented

00:24:51.540 threats of

00:24:51.920 violence, cruelty

00:24:52.940 towards people and

00:24:53.860 animals, very many

00:24:54.940 red flags, another

00:24:55.900 huge one which

00:24:56.740 we're going to

00:24:57.060 talk about more

00:24:58.040 in a little bit,

00:24:58.880 fatherless, unstable

00:25:00.620 home life, just

00:25:02.660 not a lot of

00:25:03.200 discipline, boundaries

00:25:04.540 and as I said

00:25:06.160 we'll get back to

00:25:07.340 that in just a

00:25:07.980 second, that's part

00:25:08.680 of the big

00:25:09.460 picture thing.

00:25:10.820 Now a lot of

00:25:12.160 people are talking

00:25:13.440 about the police

00:25:14.180 response, I think

00:25:15.060 understandably so.

00:25:16.460 Now before I get

00:25:17.500 into it, I will say

00:25:18.400 that there is some

00:25:19.320 disagreement, there's

00:25:20.360 some back and

00:25:20.900 forth between

00:25:21.740 conservatives, there's

00:25:22.640 a lot of

00:25:22.940 conservatives who

00:25:23.620 are seeing the

00:25:24.020 reporting around

00:25:24.640 what the police

00:25:25.180 did and saying

00:25:26.120 what the heck, this

00:25:27.040 was total failure,

00:25:29.020 total cowardice or

00:25:30.200 total incompetence

00:25:31.180 and then you have

00:25:32.360 people like Brandon

00:25:32.960 Tatum who I

00:25:33.520 really like, really

00:25:34.840 appreciate his

00:25:36.900 analysis on a ton

00:25:38.900 of things and he

00:25:40.200 is talking to some

00:25:42.100 officers who are on

00:25:43.060 the scene who say

00:25:43.740 that the media is

00:25:44.920 not reporting it

00:25:45.780 well and that we

00:25:47.360 need to look at the

00:25:47.940 other side of this,

00:25:48.700 that they were doing

00:25:49.600 what they needed to

00:25:50.520 do and I would say

00:25:52.460 that they would be

00:25:53.560 accusing the

00:25:54.440 conservatives who

00:25:55.260 are talking about

00:25:55.920 the failures of the

00:25:56.920 police department of

00:25:57.920 spreading misinformation

00:25:59.300 information but let me

00:26:00.320 tell you at least

00:26:01.720 what we know and

00:26:03.400 this to me is a

00:26:04.240 very disturbing

00:26:04.820 aspect of this.

00:26:05.740 You guys know I

00:26:06.780 am so thankful for

00:26:08.020 the police.

00:26:08.800 I think that the

00:26:09.700 police have perhaps

00:26:11.760 the hardest job in

00:26:13.560 America because not

00:26:14.440 only are you putting

00:26:15.140 your lives on the

00:26:16.180 line every day,

00:26:17.040 something that the

00:26:18.100 vast, vast majority

00:26:19.120 of us wouldn't have

00:26:20.060 the courage to sign

00:26:21.300 up for, but you

00:26:23.460 also are dealing

00:26:24.160 with negative PR,

00:26:26.040 negative press,

00:26:27.620 every day,

00:26:28.720 adversarial politicians

00:26:30.280 who want to take

00:26:30.880 your funding away but

00:26:31.780 still expect you to

00:26:33.840 be a perfect police

00:26:35.180 officer who never

00:26:36.360 makes any mistakes.

00:26:38.180 I think law

00:26:38.720 enforcement wives

00:26:39.900 have it really tough

00:26:41.340 and so I thought

00:26:42.780 the whole defunding

00:26:43.920 the police movement

00:26:45.840 was wicked and

00:26:47.980 has caused a rise

00:26:50.160 in crime and

00:26:51.200 murders and it's

00:26:52.180 just a total

00:26:52.660 misunderstanding of

00:26:53.560 human nature like

00:26:54.660 you need law

00:26:55.900 enforcement and the

00:26:57.240 vast majority of

00:26:58.020 officers are the

00:26:59.700 bravest among us

00:27:00.980 and they are some

00:27:04.220 of the most

00:27:05.180 respectful and

00:27:07.260 compassionate people

00:27:08.400 that we have so

00:27:08.840 I'm very thankful

00:27:09.700 for that.

00:27:10.740 But here's why

00:27:11.780 being a police

00:27:13.400 officer and having

00:27:14.300 bad police officers

00:27:15.940 is not the same

00:27:17.280 as just like oh

00:27:17.920 well there's any

00:27:18.600 occupation in any

00:27:19.820 occupation you have

00:27:20.520 bad apples, you have

00:27:21.400 bad accountants, you

00:27:22.080 have bad whatever.

00:27:22.540 Well it's not the

00:27:23.940 same thing as just

00:27:24.540 like having a bad

00:27:25.380 apple teacher because

00:27:26.400 with police officers

00:27:27.540 you hold people's

00:27:28.900 lives in your hands.

00:27:30.260 So when there are

00:27:30.800 bad police officers

00:27:32.240 who are either

00:27:32.860 cowardly or they're

00:27:33.920 corrupt then you're

00:27:35.800 talking about you're

00:27:36.600 not just talking

00:27:37.100 about oh you know

00:27:38.880 someone didn't get a

00:27:40.740 correct like tax

00:27:41.780 return whatever it

00:27:43.000 is.

00:27:43.800 You're talking about

00:27:45.300 someone dying

00:27:46.680 unjustly,

00:27:47.960 unjustifiably because of

00:27:49.780 a police officer's

00:27:50.700 mistake.

00:27:51.140 So police officers

00:27:52.160 are held to a

00:27:53.580 higher standard for

00:27:54.380 a reason because

00:27:55.660 they hold people's

00:27:56.920 lives in their

00:27:57.460 hands.

00:27:58.500 So I do think that

00:27:59.860 there's like some

00:28:00.340 nuance in how we

00:28:01.080 talk about that but

00:28:01.920 that said you guys

00:28:02.740 know how much I

00:28:03.520 respect and I'm

00:28:04.280 thankful for the

00:28:05.140 police.

00:28:05.660 In this case from

00:28:06.800 my perspective what

00:28:07.980 I've read it does

00:28:09.020 not seem like the

00:28:10.320 police did their job

00:28:11.260 well.

00:28:11.780 I know there are

00:28:12.340 other perspectives on

00:28:13.560 that but it's really

00:28:15.160 hard for me to see

00:28:16.440 them because from

00:28:17.680 what I'm about to

00:28:18.380 tell you it looks

00:28:18.980 like they really

00:28:19.960 dropped the ball and

00:28:21.220 that lives were lost

00:28:22.760 because of that.

00:28:24.820 So parents and most

00:28:26.160 of the media are

00:28:27.200 saying they didn't

00:28:28.500 the local police

00:28:29.680 the Uvalde ISD

00:28:32.660 police force did

00:28:33.960 not do their jobs.

00:28:35.700 They didn't run into

00:28:36.580 the fire as they

00:28:37.500 were supposed to and

00:28:38.740 because of that

00:28:39.760 children died and

00:28:41.360 these two teachers

00:28:42.040 died.

00:28:43.200 So it used to be

00:28:44.580 protocol apparently

00:28:45.920 for if there was a

00:28:47.460 mass shooter or a

00:28:48.120 school shooter to

00:28:49.260 kind of barricade

00:28:50.160 the shooter and

00:28:50.880 then the police

00:28:51.420 would create a

00:28:52.200 perimeter until

00:28:53.180 backup came.

00:28:54.480 That used to be the

00:28:55.240 protocol.

00:28:55.680 That's no longer

00:28:56.620 the protocol and

00:28:58.000 the Uvalde police

00:28:58.880 according to the

00:28:59.500 New York Times knew

00:29:00.220 the new protocol and

00:29:01.680 there was a reporter

00:29:02.380 from the New York

00:29:02.880 Times that posted

00:29:03.780 the school shooter

00:29:05.460 protocol that the

00:29:07.280 Uvalde school

00:29:08.280 district knew about

00:29:09.240 and had practiced

00:29:10.200 multiple times that

00:29:11.840 says if there is a

00:29:14.780 school shooter they

00:29:15.740 have to be

00:29:16.200 apprehended by a

00:29:17.100 police officer.

00:29:18.020 The police officer

00:29:18.740 goes in and tries to

00:29:19.660 kill them.

00:29:20.040 If that police

00:29:20.540 officer is shot

00:29:21.560 injured he falls

00:29:23.120 back the next police

00:29:24.140 officer goes.

00:29:24.940 Even if it's just

00:29:25.600 one police officer

00:29:26.700 their job is to try

00:29:28.260 to kill the shooter

00:29:29.100 and the training

00:29:30.680 documents actually

00:29:31.460 say if you are not

00:29:32.980 willing to sacrifice

00:29:34.320 your life for

00:29:35.160 innocent people then

00:29:36.100 you are in the

00:29:36.960 wrong line of work

00:29:38.060 but they did not

00:29:39.080 follow that

00:29:40.120 protocol.

00:29:41.240 They did it the

00:29:42.580 old way.

00:29:43.060 They kind of

00:29:43.400 barricaded or

00:29:44.920 tried to ensure that

00:29:46.000 the shooter stayed

00:29:46.700 in one place

00:29:47.540 two adjoining

00:29:48.220 classrooms and

00:29:49.680 then they made a

00:29:51.540 perimeter around

00:29:52.880 the school and the

00:29:55.060 police chief Peter

00:29:55.920 Arredondo said in a

00:29:57.720 press conference that

00:29:58.380 they made the wrong

00:29:59.780 call.

00:30:00.320 So this is according

00:30:01.020 to Newsweek.

00:30:02.460 At least three police

00:30:03.500 officers initially

00:30:04.980 followed the shooter

00:30:05.700 into the building

00:30:06.360 within minutes but

00:30:07.220 failed to engage him

00:30:08.140 in the next half

00:30:08.640 hour as many as

00:30:09.260 19 police officers

00:30:10.140 piled into a school

00:30:11.120 hallway but were

00:30:12.200 told by Arredondo

00:30:13.280 the police chief

00:30:14.260 to stand down

00:30:15.300 believing that the

00:30:16.220 shooter had

00:30:16.560 barricaded himself

00:30:17.380 inside a classroom

00:30:18.080 and that the

00:30:18.620 children were no

00:30:19.200 longer under an

00:30:20.160 active threat.

00:30:21.100 That part is very

00:30:22.160 confusing.

00:30:23.100 How would you think

00:30:24.200 that the children

00:30:24.640 were not under an

00:30:25.440 active threat?

00:30:26.280 That decision

00:30:26.880 however left Ramos

00:30:28.020 free to carry out

00:30:28.960 his attack within

00:30:30.080 one fourth grade

00:30:30.880 classroom.

00:30:31.520 Stephen McCraw the

00:30:32.640 director of the

00:30:33.140 Texas Department of

00:30:33.800 Public Safety said

00:30:34.780 during a contentious

00:30:35.580 news conference on

00:30:36.280 Friday another 47

00:30:37.800 minutes passed before

00:30:39.040 a Border Patrol

00:30:39.620 tactical team

00:30:40.480 breached the

00:30:41.400 classroom door and

00:30:42.400 shot and killed

00:30:43.180 Ramos.

00:30:44.220 It was a wrong

00:30:44.780 decision period.

00:30:45.860 There was no

00:30:46.260 excuse for that

00:30:46.960 McCraw said.

00:30:47.920 There were plenty

00:30:48.380 of officers to do

00:30:49.240 what needed to be

00:30:49.880 done with one

00:30:50.560 exception is that

00:30:51.860 the incident

00:30:52.460 commander inside

00:30:54.540 believed he needed

00:30:55.460 more equipment and

00:30:56.320 more officers to do

00:30:57.560 a tactical breach

00:30:58.440 at the time.

00:30:59.580 19 officers in the

00:31:01.600 hallway one officer

00:31:03.180 for every child

00:31:04.420 and they didn't go

00:31:07.160 in.

00:31:08.800 Students who

00:31:09.500 survived the attack

00:31:10.360 and parents who

00:31:11.060 were kept outside

00:31:11.900 the school have

00:31:12.480 also reported

00:31:13.140 feeling angry and

00:31:13.920 betrayed by the

00:31:14.560 police response.

00:31:15.660 Police received

00:31:16.140 multiple 911 calls

00:31:17.300 from students who

00:31:18.400 were inside the

00:31:18.960 school urging them

00:31:19.640 to please send

00:31:20.460 police now and

00:31:21.380 describing the

00:31:21.940 carnage before

00:31:22.660 them.

00:31:23.240 In one instance a

00:31:23.960 fourth grade student

00:31:24.480 and police were

00:31:25.040 even responsible for

00:31:25.920 getting one of his

00:31:26.500 classmates shot after

00:31:28.180 asking children to

00:31:29.140 call out if they

00:31:30.300 need help.

00:31:31.740 So he said that the

00:31:33.560 police who were

00:31:34.240 outside of the room

00:31:35.300 I guess yelled

00:31:37.140 inside the classroom

00:31:38.460 and said call out if

00:31:39.380 you need help.

00:31:40.100 I don't really

00:31:41.700 understand the

00:31:42.360 logistics of that.

00:31:44.060 And then one of the

00:31:45.020 children did and the

00:31:47.380 shooter heard her

00:31:48.960 shot her killed her.

00:31:51.120 When the cops came

00:31:52.160 the cops said yell if

00:31:53.320 you need help and one

00:31:54.120 of the persons in my

00:31:54.940 class said help the

00:31:55.820 student told local

00:31:56.460 news outlets the guy

00:31:57.400 overheard as he came

00:31:58.440 in and shot her.

00:32:00.300 Parents who arrived at

00:32:01.040 the school while the

00:32:02.200 shooting was taking

00:32:02.640 place also described

00:32:03.560 scenes in which officers

00:32:04.480 were standing around.

00:32:05.520 Viral videos have

00:32:06.340 since emerged showing

00:32:07.140 police holding back

00:32:07.860 family members while

00:32:08.700 they begged and

00:32:09.260 pleaded for them to

00:32:10.040 do more.

00:32:10.820 Their responses since

00:32:11.660 sparked national

00:32:12.340 outrage with people

00:32:13.460 labeling officers as

00:32:14.560 cowards for failing to

00:32:16.180 protect vulnerable

00:32:16.940 children and teachers.

00:32:19.520 The New York Times

00:32:20.500 reported this when

00:32:21.260 especially when

00:32:22.120 specially equipped

00:32:23.160 federal immigration

00:32:24.080 agents.

00:32:25.120 Hey, by the way,

00:32:25.680 thank God for border

00:32:26.380 control or border

00:32:28.160 patrol that, you

00:32:29.720 know, the people that

00:32:31.080 some politicians in

00:32:32.640 this country demonize

00:32:34.240 as evil as if they

00:32:35.700 don't already have

00:32:36.480 enough to do at the

00:32:37.500 border without any

00:32:38.520 support from the

00:32:39.180 federal government

00:32:39.840 whatsoever, as if

00:32:41.240 their jobs aren't

00:32:42.060 hard enough.

00:32:42.660 Like here they are

00:32:43.300 doing the jobs that

00:32:44.180 I'm not even sure

00:32:44.880 they were really

00:32:45.520 supposed to be doing

00:32:46.640 in the first place.

00:32:47.380 I'm pretty sure the

00:32:48.220 other officers were

00:32:49.100 supposed to be doing

00:32:50.100 them.

00:32:50.600 Thank the Lord for

00:32:51.360 these brave, brave

00:32:53.520 officers or brave

00:32:55.500 immigration agents.

00:32:56.960 They arrived at the

00:32:57.920 elementary school in

00:32:58.620 Uvalde, Texas on

00:32:59.700 Tuesday.

00:33:00.400 The local police at

00:33:01.140 the scene would not

00:33:02.000 allow them to go

00:33:02.720 after the gunman who

00:33:03.460 had opened fire on

00:33:04.440 students inside the

00:33:05.360 school.

00:33:05.600 According to two

00:33:06.620 officials briefed on

00:33:07.460 the situation, the

00:33:08.500 agents from Border

00:33:09.140 Patrol and Immigration

00:33:09.920 and Customs

00:33:10.700 Enforcement.

00:33:11.840 There are politicians

00:33:12.860 who want to defund

00:33:13.880 ICE.

00:33:14.700 So just remember that

00:33:16.160 arrived at some point

00:33:17.400 between 12 and 1210

00:33:18.520 p.m.

00:33:18.920 According to the

00:33:19.500 officials far earlier

00:33:20.620 than previously known,

00:33:22.060 but they did not

00:33:22.580 breach the adjoining

00:33:23.280 classrooms of the

00:33:23.960 school where the

00:33:24.420 gunman had locked

00:33:25.020 himself in until a

00:33:25.880 little after 1 p.m.

00:33:27.140 Members of the

00:33:27.620 federal tactical team

00:33:28.660 killed the gunman.

00:33:30.000 The official said that

00:33:30.920 members of the

00:33:31.480 Uvalde Police Department

00:33:32.720 kept the federal agents

00:33:33.800 from going in sooner.

00:33:34.900 Eventually, the

00:33:36.120 specialized Border

00:33:36.700 Patrol team went

00:33:37.460 into the building.

00:33:38.140 So reportedly, they

00:33:39.120 were frustrated by the

00:33:40.040 Uvalde Police Department

00:33:40.920 saying, no, you're not

00:33:41.740 going to you're not

00:33:42.360 going to go in and

00:33:42.900 they just did anyway.

00:33:44.300 Texas law enforcement

00:33:45.100 officials have said that

00:33:45.940 the gunman was locked

00:33:46.660 in a pair of adjoining

00:33:47.340 classrooms and had

00:33:48.140 already shot a number

00:33:49.180 of students there in

00:33:50.360 the first few minutes

00:33:51.200 with him pinned down

00:33:52.480 there.

00:33:52.800 They said local police

00:33:54.780 initially focused on

00:33:55.640 evacuating students and

00:33:56.740 teachers from elsewhere

00:33:57.520 in the school.

00:33:58.420 Law enforcement

00:33:58.860 officers had initially

00:33:59.860 tried to enter the

00:34:00.640 classroom but fell back

00:34:01.720 after the gunman fired

00:34:02.680 on them, injuring two

00:34:03.920 officers, state law

00:34:05.420 enforcement officials

00:34:06.760 said.

00:34:07.720 There was one woman

00:34:08.580 who she drove, she

00:34:09.800 heard about this because

00:34:10.940 this was posted about on

00:34:12.080 Facebook that this was

00:34:12.960 happening.

00:34:13.660 She heard this was

00:34:14.320 happening.

00:34:14.700 She drove 40 minutes to

00:34:17.040 the school.

00:34:17.960 She tried to run in to

00:34:18.920 get her children.

00:34:19.860 The police officers

00:34:21.400 allegedly handcuffed her

00:34:23.720 so that she couldn't go

00:34:24.860 in.

00:34:25.040 They finally unhandcuffed

00:34:26.260 her.

00:34:26.820 She sprinted into the

00:34:27.840 school.

00:34:28.200 She jumped a wireling

00:34:29.200 fence, grabbed her

00:34:30.140 children who I guess were

00:34:31.000 in another classroom so

00:34:32.020 they hadn't been

00:34:32.600 evacuated and ran out

00:34:34.520 and left.

00:34:36.220 Yeah, that's why, by

00:34:37.460 the way, children don't

00:34:38.600 belong to the community

00:34:39.720 as Kamala Harris recently

00:34:41.440 said because it's parents

00:34:43.180 who are willing to run

00:34:44.060 into the fire.

00:34:45.300 It's parents who care the

00:34:47.580 most about our children

00:34:48.920 who are willing to die

00:34:50.240 unarmed for our children

00:34:51.820 because we love them that

00:34:53.640 much.

00:34:53.840 That's why children don't

00:34:55.680 don't belong equally to

00:34:57.300 everyone.

00:34:57.780 They belong to their

00:34:58.480 parents because parents

00:34:59.900 have the best interest of

00:35:02.180 their children at heart

00:35:03.040 and are willing to

00:35:03.600 sacrifice anything for

00:35:05.640 them.

00:35:05.940 So good job for that

00:35:06.740 courageous mom.

00:35:07.600 How just can you

00:35:08.680 imagine?

00:35:09.720 I mean, I'm just trying

00:35:13.560 to put myself in that

00:35:14.280 situation.

00:35:14.920 You imagine you think

00:35:16.280 that your child might be

00:35:17.060 being murdered inside and

00:35:18.420 you have police officers

00:35:19.380 tasing parents.

00:35:20.380 Apparently that happened

00:35:21.340 holding them back,

00:35:22.480 telling them that they

00:35:23.100 can't rescue their kids

00:35:23.960 and they're also not

00:35:24.720 going in and rescue their

00:35:25.720 kids.

00:35:26.360 Nope.

00:35:27.120 No, that's all I'll say.

00:35:28.320 I'll leave that there.

00:35:29.440 No.

00:35:31.060 So there is a whole

00:35:32.180 timeline and I guess I

00:35:34.460 don't know if I need to

00:35:35.280 get into all of that.

00:35:36.560 I've already kind of read

00:35:37.460 that there were there was

00:35:38.600 a long time that elapsed

00:35:39.860 before kids were in there

00:35:41.860 and rescued.

00:35:42.400 I'm glad that he wasn't

00:35:43.400 able to get out of the

00:35:44.200 classroom and kill more

00:35:45.160 kids.

00:35:45.520 But man, these poor kids

00:35:47.300 in these classrooms were

00:35:48.040 just like fish in a

00:35:48.840 barrel.

00:35:49.920 And just from my amateur

00:35:51.560 perspective, like he

00:35:52.840 should have been

00:35:53.220 apprehended earlier.

00:35:54.200 I'm not saying that the

00:35:55.200 officers weren't right to

00:35:56.240 be scared or that the

00:35:57.860 police chief.

00:35:58.680 I'm sure he thought that

00:35:59.540 he was doing the right

00:36:01.500 thing.

00:36:02.320 Of course, I would be

00:36:04.020 incredibly fearful.

00:36:05.440 I'm not a police officer.

00:36:07.060 Most of us are not police

00:36:08.100 officers.

00:36:08.860 And so I understand the

00:36:10.720 you know, the fear.

00:36:13.100 I would certainly have that

00:36:14.920 fear to probably in their

00:36:16.700 position.

00:36:17.040 But that is the job.

00:36:19.600 That is that is the job.

00:36:20.980 So, you know, if there are

00:36:22.460 more details that come out

00:36:23.620 that enlighten us about kind

00:36:25.740 of how the decision was

00:36:26.640 made and what went on, I'll

00:36:28.100 be happy to correct the

00:36:29.920 record.

00:36:30.380 I'll be happy to, you know,

00:36:33.140 I don't know, correct what

00:36:35.300 I said.

00:36:35.800 But right now for the

00:36:36.820 information that we have, it

00:36:38.280 looks like a really, really

00:36:40.120 bad call.

00:36:40.840 And I don't know if the

00:36:41.660 motivation was cowardice or

00:36:43.620 just ignorance.

00:36:45.260 I'm not sure.

00:36:46.080 Whatever it was, it was the

00:36:47.380 wrong move.

00:36:48.200 It was a bad call.

00:36:49.140 It was a deadly, deadly

00:36:50.980 mistake.

00:36:51.560 And now the families of

00:36:52.980 these children will never

00:36:54.900 be the same.

00:36:57.900 All right.

00:36:58.740 So let's talk about some of

00:37:01.240 the other factors and

00:37:02.240 failures that played into

00:37:03.900 this.

00:37:04.160 We already talked about the

00:37:05.380 police response and we

00:37:07.540 noted before that he had

00:37:08.880 some documented mental

00:37:10.020 health issues.

00:37:11.500 That should have been a

00:37:13.160 red flag.

00:37:14.080 Those should have been

00:37:15.200 documented, recorded.

00:37:17.460 He should have received

00:37:19.300 help before he was able

00:37:22.380 to go buy a gun.

00:37:23.680 He did buy the guns

00:37:24.660 legally.

00:37:25.380 He passed a background

00:37:26.520 check.

00:37:27.280 In Texas, you just have to

00:37:29.100 be 18 in order to

00:37:30.760 purchase guns.

00:37:31.560 You do have background

00:37:32.620 checks on gun purchases

00:37:35.140 made at gun stores.

00:37:39.540 And so he passed the

00:37:42.040 background check.

00:37:42.680 He bought these guns

00:37:43.560 legally.

00:37:43.960 A lot of the things

00:37:45.380 that he had done and

00:37:47.280 he had said probably

00:37:49.540 should have prevented

00:37:50.980 him from being able to

00:37:54.000 purchase these guns.

00:37:55.500 And I'm not just saying,

00:37:56.760 oh, you know, someone

00:37:57.580 says something wacky and

00:37:59.200 therefore their Second

00:38:00.040 Amendment right is taken

00:38:00.880 away.

00:38:01.100 I'm talking about

00:38:01.580 threatening violence.

00:38:02.860 He had threatened

00:38:03.360 violence towards people.

00:38:05.120 That to me, it seems like

00:38:06.160 there should have been a

00:38:07.260 recorded history of that

00:38:09.200 and that someone at some

00:38:10.700 point, school counselor,

00:38:12.040 family should have

00:38:13.920 stepped in and said,

00:38:14.700 you know what, this

00:38:15.540 person's not okay.

00:38:16.500 They need help.

00:38:18.440 We don't have a very

00:38:20.920 good system in the United

00:38:21.880 States to help people who

00:38:23.920 are a threat to themselves

00:38:25.740 and a threat to other

00:38:26.880 people.

00:38:27.500 And part of that is

00:38:29.000 understandable because

00:38:30.200 you don't want to swing

00:38:32.680 too far in the direction

00:38:34.080 of institutionalizing

00:38:35.580 everyone who is

00:38:37.500 different or who says

00:38:38.680 something that is

00:38:39.660 offensive.

00:38:40.020 I mean, we do have a

00:38:41.260 First Amendment in this

00:38:42.040 country.

00:38:42.760 You are allowed to say

00:38:44.720 things that people find

00:38:46.340 offensive.

00:38:47.880 And so you don't want to

00:38:48.960 go too far in that

00:38:49.920 direction.

00:38:50.480 And obviously, you know,

00:38:51.800 I saw some conservatives

00:38:52.640 saying, oh, we need to

00:38:54.060 bring back mental, you

00:38:55.440 know, mental institutions.

00:38:56.660 All right.

00:38:56.940 I understand.

00:38:58.180 But think about the

00:38:59.060 people, the bureaucrats

00:39:00.660 running those institutions

00:39:02.460 and like what they would

00:39:03.660 qualify as mental health

00:39:04.960 problems that would become

00:39:06.140 political and ideological

00:39:07.220 really quickly.

00:39:08.040 I'm not sure how helpful

00:39:09.780 that would be.

00:39:10.720 However, I agree that

00:39:11.680 there needs to be some

00:39:12.780 kind of system in place

00:39:14.820 to try to help people

00:39:17.040 who suffer from these

00:39:18.020 very serious mental

00:39:19.060 health issues and to

00:39:20.840 protect society from

00:39:22.160 them.

00:39:22.940 I don't know the exact

00:39:24.460 answer, but I do know

00:39:25.740 based on his recorded

00:39:27.460 history of violence and

00:39:28.540 cruelty towards animals

00:39:29.660 and a lot of things that

00:39:31.820 he said and did and the

00:39:34.200 violence, the shooting

00:39:36.100 people with a BB guns

00:39:36.980 like that should have

00:39:38.180 been that should have

00:39:39.100 been a red flag that

00:39:40.280 should have prevented

00:39:41.380 him from being able to

00:39:42.640 buy these guns.

00:39:43.780 Now, he also broke

00:39:45.940 lots of Texas gun laws.

00:39:47.640 You have to be 21 to

00:39:48.580 carry a gun in Texas.

00:39:49.620 He was not 21.

00:39:50.760 The school is a gun

00:39:52.100 free zone.

00:39:53.080 And obviously, he

00:39:54.040 violated that because

00:39:55.040 that's what criminals and

00:39:55.840 murderers do.

00:39:56.400 They don't care about

00:39:57.000 gun free zones.

00:39:57.740 Gun free zones are maybe

00:39:58.800 one of the most

00:40:00.300 illogical things in

00:40:01.400 existence.

00:40:02.300 So he broke those laws.

00:40:03.780 He chose a soft

00:40:05.200 target the school

00:40:07.420 being a gun free zone,

00:40:08.700 just like the guy in

00:40:09.400 Buffalo who allegedly

00:40:10.740 said that he chose that

00:40:11.660 area because he knew

00:40:13.140 that people wouldn't be

00:40:14.120 armed.

00:40:14.600 That's what this school

00:40:15.400 shooter did.

00:40:16.120 Schools are soft

00:40:16.660 targets because they are

00:40:17.700 gun free zones.

00:40:18.440 The only people who care

00:40:19.500 about gun free zones are

00:40:20.900 the people who are not

00:40:21.840 going to use a gun to

00:40:22.740 murder people in the

00:40:23.400 first place.

00:40:25.120 The door apparently was

00:40:26.600 dropped was propped open

00:40:27.920 by a teacher.

00:40:28.880 We don't know why school

00:40:30.320 resource officer who was

00:40:31.740 typically present apparently

00:40:32.840 was not there.

00:40:33.960 And then, of course, we

00:40:34.660 mentioned what I think is

00:40:36.280 a failed police response.

00:40:38.620 Now, we know very

00:40:40.020 typically people are

00:40:40.920 making this all about

00:40:41.900 the NRA and the gun.

00:40:44.200 Look, the NRA, as

00:40:45.240 other commentators have

00:40:46.220 noted, is not the

00:40:47.360 powerful force that it

00:40:48.440 used to be.

00:40:49.700 The gun lobby in the

00:40:51.780 United States are really

00:40:52.900 just constituents.

00:40:53.920 They're really just

00:40:54.480 people who own guns.

00:40:55.780 The NRA filed for

00:40:56.760 bankruptcy, I think it

00:40:57.700 was last year or the

00:40:59.280 year before, so they

00:41:00.180 don't have the political

00:41:01.480 sway that they once did.

00:41:03.300 Yes, of course, you have

00:41:04.280 Second Amendment supporters

00:41:05.340 and we have a Second

00:41:06.880 Amendment, okay?

00:41:07.680 So people have a

00:41:08.520 constitutional right to

00:41:10.180 own a gun in the United

00:41:12.240 States.

00:41:12.760 The guns are not going

00:41:13.800 away.

00:41:14.160 We have more guns in the

00:41:15.200 United States than we

00:41:15.980 have people.

00:41:16.860 And you can lament that

00:41:18.720 and you can talk about

00:41:19.880 the problems with that

00:41:21.020 if you want to, but

00:41:22.560 that's the fact.

00:41:23.640 So if you are suggesting

00:41:25.040 that the answer to this

00:41:27.220 problem is that we

00:41:27.920 confiscate people's guns

00:41:29.040 or we ban the sale of

00:41:30.240 guns, then I'm sure that

00:41:31.980 you are sincere.

00:41:32.780 I'm sure that you're

00:41:33.400 sincere.

00:41:33.760 I won't question your

00:41:34.660 motives, but you are not

00:41:35.960 serious.

00:41:36.400 You are not adding any

00:41:38.480 kind of serious

00:41:39.160 contribution to the

00:41:40.020 conversation because

00:41:40.820 that's not feasible.

00:41:42.100 So when people talk

00:41:42.980 about very feasible

00:41:43.780 solutions, like securing

00:41:45.080 a school, making sure

00:41:46.020 there's only one point

00:41:47.040 of entry, many points

00:41:48.140 of exit, but only one

00:41:49.360 point of entry, so you

00:41:50.640 don't, you can't come

00:41:52.560 in, you know, there are

00:41:54.900 doors that go out, but

00:41:56.060 you can't actually open

00:41:57.100 them from the outside.

00:41:58.700 One point of entry, armed

00:42:00.120 guards at that point of

00:42:02.020 entry, ensuring that the

00:42:04.440 schools are secure with

00:42:05.960 not just cameras and

00:42:07.060 possible metal detectors

00:42:08.520 if you need that, but

00:42:09.260 also armed guards so they

00:42:10.780 are not soft targets.

00:42:12.440 I don't think that we

00:42:13.120 need them to be gun-free

00:42:14.060 zones.

00:42:14.380 Again, completely

00:42:15.480 illogical.

00:42:16.420 When you suggest those

00:42:17.440 things, the security of

00:42:18.460 school, you're told that

00:42:19.700 you don't care enough, that

00:42:20.900 you're not looking at the

00:42:21.560 real problem, and then

00:42:23.200 you're mocked and you're

00:42:24.260 scoffed at and you're

00:42:25.160 condemned and you're told

00:42:26.340 all the reasons why that

00:42:27.480 doesn't work, that kids

00:42:28.760 are going to feel like

00:42:29.380 they're in a jail.

00:42:30.280 Look, we protect

00:42:32.140 concerts, we protect

00:42:33.500 athletic events, we

00:42:34.620 protect Congress, we

00:42:35.780 protect state

00:42:36.540 legislatures, we protect

00:42:37.700 Hollywood award shows

00:42:39.000 and celebrities with

00:42:40.400 armed guards, and none

00:42:41.980 of those people feel like

00:42:42.800 they're in jail.

00:42:43.720 So if all of those

00:42:44.720 people and all of those

00:42:45.600 entities and all of those

00:42:46.560 places are worth

00:42:47.260 protecting with people

00:42:49.440 with guns, why aren't

00:42:50.440 schools and students and

00:42:51.440 teachers worth protecting

00:42:52.260 with people with guns?

00:42:54.140 What's better?

00:42:54.960 What's more traumatizing?

00:42:56.600 feeling like, you

00:42:58.940 know, being scared

00:42:59.900 because there are armed

00:43:00.940 guards at your school

00:43:02.240 protecting you, or being a

00:43:04.540 soft target for a school

00:43:05.460 shooting because there's

00:43:06.380 not enough security.

00:43:07.880 But people are mocked and

00:43:09.440 condemned and scoffed at

00:43:10.260 for that because the only

00:43:11.900 acceptable, according to the

00:43:13.120 mainstream media, the only

00:43:14.060 acceptable solution is

00:43:15.720 calling for the

00:43:16.280 confiscation of guns and

00:43:17.640 the ban of gun sales.

00:43:19.440 And that's unserious.

00:43:20.880 That's how you know that the

00:43:22.380 conversation around this

00:43:23.780 really is more

00:43:24.920 performative for some

00:43:26.420 people than anything else

00:43:28.400 because the person who

00:43:30.320 calls for something that

00:43:31.140 is totally unreasonable,

00:43:32.420 the confiscation and the

00:43:33.540 ban of guns, is given

00:43:35.780 more, is called

00:43:37.740 compassionate, more than

00:43:40.160 the person who actually

00:43:41.460 argues for very feasible,

00:43:42.960 very possible solutions,

00:43:44.640 which is securing the

00:43:45.600 school.

00:43:46.520 Now, I'm not saying that

00:43:48.340 there are no conversations

00:43:49.540 to be had about gun

00:43:51.500 legislation.

00:43:52.360 Like, this is not my...

00:43:54.520 You guys know, I don't

00:43:55.500 talk about this very much.

00:43:56.980 I believe that the Second

00:43:58.280 Amendment is incredibly

00:43:59.540 important to protecting

00:44:01.520 American freedom.

00:44:04.040 And I'm thankful for the

00:44:06.080 Second Amendment.

00:44:06.880 I'm thankful for the right

00:44:08.000 to self-defense.

00:44:08.900 And ultimately, it's not

00:44:09.880 just a right to self-defense.

00:44:11.300 It is a safeguard against

00:44:13.200 tyranny.

00:44:14.120 Now, I know what people say.

00:44:15.480 They say, well, the

00:44:16.220 government has nukes.

00:44:17.000 The government has tanks.

00:44:18.000 You're not going to be able

00:44:18.660 to take on the governments

00:44:19.680 with your...

00:44:21.500 with your gun.

00:44:23.000 Well, that's not really

00:44:23.880 what it's about.

00:44:24.820 When the populace is armed,

00:44:26.860 as much as America is,

00:44:28.720 if a government is really

00:44:29.900 going to overtake you,

00:44:31.160 if the government would

00:44:32.240 really try to inflict some

00:44:33.540 kind of totalitarian

00:44:34.960 control on you,

00:44:36.180 they are going to be far

00:44:37.040 less likely to do that

00:44:38.080 when the populace is

00:44:39.100 well-armed.

00:44:39.700 That's just a fact.

00:44:40.620 Because they have to be

00:44:41.880 really sure they want to

00:44:43.460 see the bloodiest day

00:44:45.220 in the country's history.

00:44:46.920 They would have to be

00:44:48.400 really sure that they

00:44:49.160 want to literally annihilate

00:44:50.600 and murder millions

00:44:52.200 of Americans in order

00:44:53.380 to inflict that kind

00:44:54.540 of rule.

00:44:55.800 So, the point of having

00:44:57.800 a well-armed populace

00:44:59.060 is not necessarily

00:45:00.180 that you can defeat

00:45:01.360 a government entity

00:45:02.340 that has nukes.

00:45:03.480 It is to make

00:45:04.420 the calculation,

00:45:05.440 the risk calculation

00:45:06.560 of the government,

00:45:08.460 if they were assessing

00:45:09.600 that kind of thing,

00:45:11.340 really difficult.

00:45:13.820 Really difficult for them

00:45:15.000 to justify that kind

00:45:16.820 of mass bloodshed.

00:45:17.760 So, that's really

00:45:18.340 what the Second Amendment

00:45:18.980 is for.

00:45:19.500 It is supposed to be

00:45:20.180 a safeguard against tyranny.

00:45:21.640 Yes, it's for self-defense.

00:45:23.100 Yes, it can be for

00:45:24.260 hunting as well.

00:45:25.440 That is, you know,

00:45:26.360 why people exercise

00:45:27.920 the Second Amendment

00:45:28.700 mostly.

00:45:29.700 But it is supposed

00:45:30.620 to be a safeguard

00:45:31.240 against tyranny.

00:45:32.640 And so, you guys know

00:45:33.780 that I am pro-Second Amendment

00:45:36.000 for all of those reasons.

00:45:38.140 I don't, but we also know

00:45:39.640 that there are restrictions

00:45:40.560 on gun buying

00:45:41.380 and that there are

00:45:43.380 limitations.

00:45:44.080 And I am open

00:45:45.740 to hearing any policy

00:45:48.040 that would have

00:45:49.740 truly prevented

00:45:50.700 the school shooting,

00:45:52.680 any feasible policy

00:45:53.820 that would have

00:45:54.400 prevented the school shooting,

00:45:55.620 that would make it

00:45:56.800 impossible or improbable

00:45:58.340 for bad guys

00:45:59.700 to have guns

00:46:01.940 without inhibiting

00:46:03.060 the rights of good guys

00:46:04.500 with guns.

00:46:06.720 I am for that.

00:46:07.960 I think that every conservative,

00:46:09.500 every gun owner

00:46:10.840 is for that.

00:46:11.500 How can you keep guns

00:46:13.260 out of the hands

00:46:14.180 of bad guys

00:46:15.100 without inhibiting

00:46:16.660 the right of self-defense

00:46:18.780 and gun ownership

00:46:19.860 of the good guys?

00:46:21.580 I've seen some people,

00:46:23.000 I saw one person,

00:46:24.280 not some people,

00:46:25.040 I'm sure there are other people,

00:46:26.040 but one guy,

00:46:26.680 he posted a video

00:46:27.520 destroying his AR-15.

00:46:30.360 And, you know,

00:46:31.000 he can do that.

00:46:31.900 That's his,

00:46:33.020 that's his right

00:46:34.280 to do that.

00:46:35.040 And maybe it's just symbolic,

00:46:36.260 but if it were really

00:46:37.180 just symbolic,

00:46:37.760 why would you need

00:46:38.380 to post a video about it?

00:46:39.780 And I'm just,

00:46:40.920 I'm through,

00:46:41.540 I am actually confused

00:46:42.800 about what that accomplishes.

00:46:45.460 What does that accomplish?

00:46:47.380 If like the AR-15

00:46:49.720 or the gun,

00:46:51.080 when it is not in the hands

00:46:52.840 of someone

00:46:53.440 who is going to commit murder

00:46:54.660 or do wrong,

00:46:55.840 is not actually dangerous.

00:46:59.100 Taking away guns

00:47:00.560 from people,

00:47:01.920 law-abiding,

00:47:03.060 responsible people

00:47:03.780 doesn't make anyone safer.

00:47:06.040 Doesn't make anyone safer.

00:47:07.600 There was this Sacramento gun,

00:47:09.000 gun confiscation program

00:47:11.500 that offered a $50 gift card

00:47:13.660 for people to turn in their guns,

00:47:16.260 which is just awful.

00:47:17.280 A gun is way more than $50.

00:47:18.860 You're exploiting poor people.

00:47:20.320 Only poor people

00:47:21.080 are going to participate

00:47:21.700 in that program

00:47:22.340 because they're desperate

00:47:23.020 for half a ticket gas

00:47:24.100 in California.

00:47:25.000 So they're going to give up

00:47:25.960 their ability

00:47:26.460 to defend themselves

00:47:27.300 so they can get gas.

00:47:29.140 Guess who didn't

00:47:29.800 turn over their guns?

00:47:31.500 Criminals.

00:47:32.440 People who are committing murder.

00:47:33.980 They're not turning over

00:47:34.840 their guns.

00:47:35.300 And so all of this

00:47:38.120 is kind of illogical.

00:47:39.900 It's illogical.

00:47:40.840 You would be punishing

00:47:42.880 law-abiding people

00:47:44.720 by confiscating guns,

00:47:46.260 not the people

00:47:47.100 who are actually dangerous

00:47:48.360 when they have guns.

00:47:50.020 But then, like I said,

00:47:51.200 I'm not against

00:47:52.220 feasible restrictions.

00:47:53.800 I do want to talk about

00:47:54.820 H.R. 8, though,

00:47:56.620 that people are saying,

00:47:58.140 oh, we need to pass H.R. 8.

00:48:01.520 This would help things.

00:48:02.400 So H.R. 8 requires

00:48:03.940 universal background check.

00:48:08.740 So right now,

00:48:09.800 in many states,

00:48:10.720 you don't actually have

00:48:11.660 to have a background check

00:48:13.240 to buy a firearm

00:48:14.520 in like a private sale.

00:48:15.820 So like from a friend

00:48:17.180 or from someone

00:48:17.940 who doesn't actually

00:48:18.700 work at a gun shop.

00:48:20.820 You don't have to have

00:48:21.980 a background check.

00:48:22.540 You only have to have

00:48:23.260 a background check

00:48:23.940 if you actually buy it

00:48:25.120 from a store

00:48:26.160 in a lot of states.

00:48:29.100 And so H.R. 8

00:48:30.000 would require

00:48:30.840 a background check

00:48:31.780 in all sales of guns.

00:48:33.800 All right.

00:48:34.440 I don't know entirely

00:48:35.780 what's in the bill

00:48:36.600 and why exactly

00:48:38.100 Republicans are against it.

00:48:39.440 I'm sure that they could

00:48:40.600 give their reasons.

00:48:42.100 But that has no correlation

00:48:43.720 whatsoever.

00:48:44.580 It has no correlation

00:48:45.400 whatsoever to the mass shooting

00:48:46.680 in Uvalde

00:48:47.420 because he bought it

00:48:48.780 from a gun store

00:48:49.420 and he passed

00:48:49.980 the background check.

00:48:51.140 Now, if you want to talk

00:48:51.800 about raising the age

00:48:53.400 of being able to buy guns,

00:48:55.800 if you want to talk

00:48:56.360 about different kinds

00:48:57.160 of limitations,

00:48:57.720 you can talk about that.

00:48:58.660 But at least make

00:48:59.640 some kind of policy proposal

00:49:00.960 that has some kind

00:49:02.260 of correlation

00:49:02.920 to what actually happened

00:49:04.620 in Uvalde.

00:49:05.660 People who are just saying

00:49:06.700 just do something,

00:49:07.820 just do something

00:49:08.640 that's not actually

00:49:09.600 compassionate.

00:49:10.740 Let's look at feasible solutions

00:49:12.180 and let us not put

00:49:13.800 off the table

00:49:14.500 like the cultural issues,

00:49:16.900 the background issues,

00:49:19.020 the underlying issues,

00:49:20.400 the moral issues

00:49:22.020 that are really there,

00:49:23.060 the security issues

00:49:24.080 that are really there,

00:49:24.840 the failure of police

00:49:26.120 that is there.

00:49:26.780 If your only solution

00:49:28.180 is to take away

00:49:28.860 people's guns

00:49:29.420 or to confiscate AR-15s,

00:49:31.280 then again,

00:49:31.900 that's not a serious suggestion

00:49:33.860 because it's not going

00:49:34.760 to happen.

00:49:35.680 AR-15s are the most popular

00:49:37.000 rifle in the United States.

00:49:38.240 There are millions

00:49:38.880 that are in circulation

00:49:39.800 and they're really not

00:49:41.460 any functionally different

00:49:42.860 than most hunting rifles.

00:49:44.680 They are a semi-automatic rifle.

00:49:46.300 The vast majority of guns

00:49:47.360 are semi-automatic,

00:49:48.360 including handguns.

00:49:49.800 They're different

00:49:50.340 than handguns.

00:49:51.040 AR-15s, of course,

00:49:51.840 are different

00:49:52.220 than handguns.

00:49:52.780 The reason that they're used

00:49:55.800 is not necessarily

00:49:56.760 because they are more lethal

00:49:58.180 than any other long gun.

00:50:00.960 They are more lethal

00:50:01.940 than some other kinds

00:50:04.000 of long guns,

00:50:05.120 but they are mostly used,

00:50:09.840 gun experts say,

00:50:10.860 because of the copycat effect

00:50:12.120 and also because of

00:50:14.800 how they look.

00:50:16.100 So they're a semi-automatic rifle.

00:50:17.720 When Kim Kardashian says

00:50:18.760 that we need to get rid

00:50:19.780 of semi-automatic guns,

00:50:21.300 she has no idea

00:50:21.940 what she's talking about.

00:50:22.900 Almost all guns, again,

00:50:23.960 are semi-automatic,

00:50:24.860 including handguns.

00:50:25.900 When Biden says

00:50:26.620 that we're getting rid

00:50:27.340 of like nine millimeters,

00:50:29.120 I mean, again,

00:50:29.640 you're talking about

00:50:30.120 most handguns

00:50:31.020 that are used for self-defense.

00:50:32.760 And so, again,

00:50:33.660 we have to bring

00:50:34.240 feasible solutions

00:50:35.080 to the table.

00:50:35.660 We have to have

00:50:36.040 some kind of

00:50:36.740 like knowledge of guns.

00:50:38.780 There is no,

00:50:39.560 AR doesn't stand

00:50:40.360 for assault rifle.

00:50:41.260 It stands for arm of light.

00:50:42.600 There is no one definition

00:50:43.740 of assault weapon.

00:50:45.240 That's why it's really difficult

00:50:46.320 to actually ban assault weapons

00:50:48.300 because no one has

00:50:49.160 a specific definition of it.

00:50:50.520 A lot of the policy proposals

00:50:52.400 being put forth

00:50:53.140 are either just like

00:50:54.260 not going to happen

00:50:55.160 because we have so many guns

00:50:56.300 in the United States

00:50:56.960 or they have no correlation

00:50:58.240 to the mass shootings.

00:51:01.400 So, I am not against,

00:51:03.480 again,

00:51:03.900 having conversations

00:51:04.900 about legislative solutions

00:51:06.400 in addition to

00:51:07.240 some of the other

00:51:08.060 moral issues

00:51:09.520 that we're talking about here.

00:51:10.960 But,

00:51:11.820 but,

00:51:12.460 like,

00:51:12.960 again,

00:51:13.340 they have to have

00:51:14.100 some kind of grounding

00:51:15.500 in reality,

00:51:16.740 just clamoring

00:51:17.520 to do something,

00:51:18.440 just yelling at the sky

00:51:19.440 that you want something

00:51:20.180 to be done.

00:51:20.900 That's not actually

00:51:21.680 compassion

00:51:22.160 and it's certainly

00:51:22.840 not wisdom.

00:51:25.600 The fact is,

00:51:26.860 is that America

00:51:28.180 has a high mass

00:51:29.960 shooting rate,

00:51:30.760 a high murder rate

00:51:31.600 for the developed world,

00:51:32.580 a high gun crime rate,

00:51:34.380 not because

00:51:36.060 of the number of guns.

00:51:38.020 Because gun ownership

00:51:38.940 over the past 50 years,

00:51:40.520 according to some data,

00:51:41.400 it's gone down.

00:51:42.480 In 2016,

00:51:44.200 according to

00:51:44.780 the Washington Post,

00:51:45.580 it was the lowest

00:51:46.620 percentage of gun ownership

00:51:47.780 that we have had

00:51:48.400 in 50 years.

00:51:49.040 I think it dropped

00:51:49.580 to 36%.

00:51:50.600 It typically hovers

00:51:51.460 around 44%.

00:51:52.620 Other outlets say

00:51:54.240 that it stayed

00:51:54.820 basically the same

00:51:56.040 since the 1970s.

00:51:57.340 Now,

00:51:57.500 with population growth,

00:51:58.460 that might mean

00:51:58.900 that there are more guns.

00:52:00.200 But,

00:52:00.780 the percentage

00:52:01.320 of gun ownership

00:52:02.460 really has not increased

00:52:04.180 over the past 50 years.

00:52:06.000 And yet,

00:52:07.740 depending on the definition

00:52:09.760 of mass shootings,

00:52:10.780 the mass shootings

00:52:11.660 have increased.

00:52:13.620 And so,

00:52:14.060 it doesn't really

00:52:14.900 make logical sense

00:52:15.740 to say that it's

00:52:16.460 the prevalence of guns.

00:52:17.520 Also,

00:52:18.000 if you look at the data

00:52:18.860 on the highest homicide rates

00:52:20.460 in the United States,

00:52:21.740 there is not a correlation

00:52:22.900 to the highest,

00:52:25.240 the states with the highest

00:52:26.240 number of guns,

00:52:28.420 the highest gun ownership,

00:52:30.200 the most gun ownership

00:52:31.100 in the country,

00:52:31.720 Montana,

00:52:32.180 Wyoming,

00:52:32.600 Alaska,

00:52:33.080 Idaho,

00:52:33.540 West Virginia,

00:52:34.220 Arkansas,

00:52:34.620 Mississippi,

00:52:35.520 Alabama,

00:52:36.300 South Dakota,

00:52:37.340 and North Dakota.

00:52:38.560 The highest murder rates,

00:52:39.840 Mississippi,

00:52:40.320 Louisiana,

00:52:40.780 Alabama,

00:52:41.240 Missouri,

00:52:41.700 Arkansas,

00:52:42.200 South Carolina,

00:52:42.800 Tennessee,

00:52:43.920 Maryland,

00:52:44.560 Illinois,

00:52:45.360 New Mexico.

00:52:46.480 The lowest murder rates

00:52:47.880 include Idaho,

00:52:49.400 Maine,

00:52:49.640 Vermont,

00:52:50.040 New Hampshire,

00:52:51.120 Utah,

00:52:52.200 Iowa.

00:52:53.040 These states have some

00:52:54.400 of the laxest gun laws

00:52:56.040 in the country.

00:52:57.560 And so,

00:52:58.260 it's just not incredibly clear

00:52:59.620 that lax gun laws

00:53:00.860 cause more homicides

00:53:02.420 or more gun crimes.

00:53:03.580 Actually,

00:53:03.860 there's no data

00:53:04.900 that's really showing that.

00:53:06.560 And there's not really

00:53:07.920 strong data that's showing

00:53:09.100 that there is a relationship

00:53:10.960 between high gun ownership

00:53:13.720 in a state

00:53:14.220 and high gun violence.

00:53:16.760 There's just not a whole lot

00:53:17.880 of strong data

00:53:19.020 when it comes to that.

00:53:19.840 What there is strong data for,

00:53:21.960 and we'll kind of close out on this.

00:53:23.440 There's more that I have to say,

00:53:24.460 but I don't,

00:53:25.580 we'll have to continue this tomorrow.

00:53:27.000 What there is strong data for

00:53:28.360 is that fatherlessness

00:53:30.180 is causing an epidemic

00:53:32.360 of violence,

00:53:33.620 especially among young men.

00:53:36.160 My friend Samuel Say

00:53:37.300 wrote this incredible article

00:53:38.480 on his blog,

00:53:39.480 and he talked about

00:53:40.480 some statistics.

00:53:41.720 He said 63% of teenagers

00:53:43.280 who commit suicide

00:53:44.140 are fatherless.

00:53:44.920 72% of adolescent murders

00:53:46.620 are fatherless.

00:53:47.680 75% of adolescents

00:53:49.200 in rehab centers

00:53:50.040 for drug use

00:53:50.860 are fatherless.

00:53:52.180 60% of rapists

00:53:53.700 are fatherless.

00:53:54.360 85% of teenagers

00:53:55.480 in prison

00:53:55.940 are fatherless.

00:53:57.160 75% of the most cited

00:53:59.040 school shooters

00:53:59.600 in America

00:54:00.060 are fatherless,

00:54:00.840 just like the teenager

00:54:01.940 who walked into

00:54:02.660 Rob Elementary School

00:54:03.600 to murder 21 people.

00:54:06.440 A 2012 study

00:54:07.220 on juvenile male inmates

00:54:08.380 found that fatherless boys

00:54:09.940 are 279% more likely

00:54:12.220 to carry guns

00:54:13.180 for criminal behavior.

00:54:16.280 And then he goes on

00:54:17.420 to say that he was in 20 fights.

00:54:18.840 Samuel Say was in 20 fights

00:54:19.820 before he was 18 years old.

00:54:21.260 He also grew up

00:54:22.720 without a dad.

00:54:23.720 That is part of the profile

00:54:24.880 of most of the young men

00:54:26.620 who commit violence.

00:54:28.200 That,

00:54:28.680 and not only did they

00:54:30.340 not have a strong male figure

00:54:31.800 in their life,

00:54:32.400 there is also an epidemic

00:54:34.040 of the demonizing

00:54:35.580 of healthy masculinity.

00:54:37.120 Look,

00:54:37.320 there is nothing

00:54:37.900 more dangerous

00:54:38.560 in the world

00:54:39.160 than a man,

00:54:40.460 a young man

00:54:41.160 who is idle,

00:54:42.140 who has nothing

00:54:42.760 to live for,

00:54:43.500 nothing to do,

00:54:44.640 no one to fight for.

00:54:45.860 Men were created

00:54:46.620 for good,

00:54:47.640 honorable fights

00:54:48.360 to defend

00:54:48.980 and to provide

00:54:49.600 for their family

00:54:50.260 and community.

00:54:50.800 When we are taking

00:54:51.740 that away,

00:54:52.600 when we are inundating

00:54:54.000 younger generations

00:54:54.900 with instant gratification,

00:54:56.300 when we are exchanging

00:54:57.440 reality for virtual reality,

00:54:59.180 when we are exacerbating

00:55:00.860 the mental health issues

00:55:01.820 that already exist

00:55:02.600 by pulling them

00:55:03.260 into virtual learning,

00:55:04.640 by isolating them,

00:55:05.840 by addicting them

00:55:06.620 to social media

00:55:07.460 and technology,

00:55:08.560 we are making matters worse.

00:55:10.800 On top of all of that,

00:55:12.260 we are dealing with

00:55:13.140 not just a crisis

00:55:13.820 of fatherlessness

00:55:14.660 and meaninglessness,

00:55:15.820 but also godlessness.

00:55:17.940 And I know

00:55:18.380 other people,

00:55:19.360 there are people

00:55:19.900 will say,

00:55:20.280 well,

00:55:20.360 other countries

00:55:20.960 aren't Christian

00:55:21.540 and they don't deal

00:55:22.160 with the same problems

00:55:22.820 that we have,

00:55:23.340 so it must be the guns.

00:55:24.640 Look,

00:55:25.280 America's decline

00:55:26.760 and religious affiliation

00:55:28.600 and community-centered

00:55:30.200 activities has,

00:55:33.660 we've experienced

00:55:34.700 a very quick

00:55:36.080 precipitous decline.

00:55:37.700 It hasn't been

00:55:38.480 something that has

00:55:39.920 slowly happened

00:55:40.740 over time.

00:55:41.360 It has happened

00:55:41.900 very quickly

00:55:42.640 over the past

00:55:43.340 20 to 50 years

00:55:44.640 and we haven't been able

00:55:46.040 to catch up to,

00:55:48.200 keep up with

00:55:49.040 the change of morality

00:55:50.260 and the values

00:55:51.240 and the loss

00:55:52.100 of identity

00:55:52.820 and purpose

00:55:53.700 that we have experienced

00:55:54.720 as a country.

00:55:55.440 On top of all of that,

00:55:56.560 as I said

00:55:56.980 at the beginning,

00:55:57.480 we're very political,

00:55:59.060 we're very vitriolic.

00:56:00.780 In somewhere like the UK

00:56:02.040 and a lot of countries

00:56:04.940 in Europe,

00:56:05.420 they just don't have

00:56:06.580 the same kind

00:56:07.640 of division

00:56:08.400 and rhetoric

00:56:09.580 and politicization

00:56:11.280 that we have

00:56:12.280 as a country

00:56:12.980 and really America

00:56:13.760 has always been like that.

00:56:15.540 So why does this

00:56:16.320 happen in America?

00:56:17.240 I think some of those

00:56:18.420 characteristics

00:56:18.980 are a part of it.

00:56:20.120 I'm not going to say

00:56:20.820 that the prevalence of guns

00:56:21.780 has absolutely nothing

00:56:23.040 to do with it.

00:56:24.040 Obviously,

00:56:24.460 that's a commonality

00:56:25.520 in mass shootings.

00:56:26.560 So I'm not going to say,

00:56:27.580 oh,

00:56:27.740 that has absolutely

00:56:28.920 access to guns

00:56:30.460 has nothing to do with it.

00:56:31.720 I just think that

00:56:32.460 we've always had access

00:56:33.480 to guns,

00:56:34.120 but now we are dealing

00:56:35.480 with a crisis of immorality

00:56:36.820 and meaninglessness

00:56:37.660 and purposelessness

00:56:38.780 and godlessness

00:56:39.420 that has happened

00:56:40.060 so fast

00:56:40.980 and fatherlessness

00:56:42.400 that has happened

00:56:43.220 so fast

00:56:44.000 and our young men

00:56:46.080 are bearing

00:56:47.160 the brunt of it.

00:56:48.240 They're bearing

00:56:49.000 the brunt of it.

00:56:49.800 They need mentors.

00:56:50.900 They need help.

00:56:51.740 They need hope.

00:56:52.960 They need purpose.

00:56:54.060 They need good fights

00:56:55.240 to fight.

00:56:56.300 When we demonize

00:56:57.100 the family,

00:56:58.000 as so many groups have,

00:56:59.720 including Black Lives Matter,

00:57:00.840 who said they want to disrupt

00:57:02.080 the nuclear family

00:57:02.940 and want nothing to do

00:57:03.800 with fathers.

00:57:04.740 When we disrupt

00:57:05.520 the family,

00:57:06.560 no-fault divorce,

00:57:07.920 separating sex

00:57:08.820 from marriage,

00:57:09.560 separating procreation

00:57:11.720 from sex,

00:57:12.460 like we take away

00:57:14.940 the foundation

00:57:16.140 of any healthy

00:57:18.000 values-centered society

00:57:20.300 and unfortunately

00:57:21.420 we are going to continue

00:57:22.940 to bear the consequences

00:57:24.480 of that

00:57:24.960 and not only that,

00:57:26.440 the mental health problems

00:57:27.580 that we have

00:57:28.120 cannot be treated

00:57:29.040 by the psychology

00:57:30.680 industry today

00:57:31.760 because it has been

00:57:32.940 so inundated

00:57:34.100 with an ideology

00:57:34.940 that actually demonizes

00:57:36.280 masculinity

00:57:37.000 and demonizes

00:57:38.380 the Christian values

00:57:39.700 like being made

00:57:42.940 in the image of God

00:57:43.820 that actually help

00:57:45.180 and heal

00:57:45.740 some of the fractures

00:57:46.780 that we are experiencing today.

00:57:48.040 So we have a lot of problems.

00:57:49.320 America has a lot

00:57:50.080 of unique problems

00:57:51.060 that all speak to this.

00:57:52.440 This particular instance

00:57:53.280 had a lot of unique problems

00:57:54.480 and failures and factors

00:57:55.500 that played into it.

00:57:57.160 And again,

00:57:57.520 I'm not against talking

00:57:58.680 about the gun issue.

00:57:59.800 I'm not.

00:58:00.760 But we have to bring

00:58:01.940 all solutions to the table

00:58:03.420 and reason together.

00:58:04.980 One thing we know

00:58:05.880 for sure

00:58:06.700 is that the fatherlessness

00:58:08.620 in the Bible

00:58:09.260 are a category

00:58:10.000 of vulnerability.

00:58:11.560 They're a category

00:58:12.220 of oppression.

00:58:13.260 So we as Christians

00:58:14.180 need to ask

00:58:14.780 what we are doing

00:58:15.500 to run into the fight

00:58:16.300 for them

00:58:16.880 to mentor young men

00:58:20.300 to try to create meaning

00:58:21.620 and cultivate purpose

00:58:22.660 for the men

00:58:23.860 in our communities.

00:58:24.880 How are we

00:58:25.920 bridging that divide

00:58:27.820 and building friendships

00:58:30.000 and creating mentorship

00:58:31.280 and discipleship

00:58:32.520 for this group

00:58:35.240 that is the common demographic

00:58:37.240 in all of these situations?

00:58:39.780 And then also

00:58:40.760 how are we

00:58:41.780 infusing hope

00:58:43.280 and infusing kindness

00:58:45.760 even while speaking

00:58:47.160 the truth

00:58:47.620 as passionately

00:58:48.340 as we can

00:58:49.180 into every sphere

00:58:50.840 that we occupy?

00:58:53.180 And I think that,

00:58:54.760 you know,

00:58:55.040 that's for all of us.

00:58:56.000 That's for all of us

00:58:56.980 something to kind of

00:58:58.000 take home

00:58:58.440 and apply for ourselves.

00:58:59.320 And again,

00:58:59.940 don't think

00:59:00.940 that love

00:59:01.800 and that prayer

00:59:02.820 doesn't have great power

00:59:04.380 because it absolutely does

00:59:06.300 even if there are

00:59:07.660 political aspects

00:59:08.640 to consider

00:59:09.220 in all of this.

00:59:10.220 All right.

00:59:10.460 I know that was

00:59:10.900 kind of a rushed ending

00:59:11.840 but that's all

00:59:12.360 I had time for today.

00:59:13.360 We'll be back here

00:59:14.380 tomorrow and Thursday

00:59:16.100 with other good stuff

00:59:18.080 and some good interviews

00:59:18.920 that I know you guys

00:59:19.700 are going to enjoy

00:59:20.600 and hopefully

00:59:21.020 will be an encouragement to you.

00:59:22.320 All right.

00:59:22.780 We will be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 31, 2022

Ep 621 ｜ Why Banning Guns Won’t Fix It

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