Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 624 ｜ Dragging Kids Into Depravity

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00:00:19.160 All right, guys, we've got a great show for you today. I'm going to be interviewing a reporter

00:00:25.720 that covered the child drag show that happened in Dallas, Texas over the weekend. Extremely

00:00:34.460 disturbing. We'll be talking about that. He talked to some of the parents that brought their kids

00:00:38.640 there. I mean, just the depravity on display. Unfortunately, this is something that is

00:00:44.240 happening across the country in celebration of so-called Pride Month. That won't be the entirety

00:00:49.740 of the episode. We did have an episode last week about the Christian response to Pride Month and

00:00:56.000 some of the craziness that we are seeing, especially involving children right now last week. So go

00:01:01.840 listen to that if you haven't already. But we will be talking about that subject some today. We'll be

00:01:08.140 talking about a few other things as well, mostly just how conservatives and Christians, but conservatives

00:01:15.500 from a political, cultural standpoint. How do we respond to things like this? Because I think

00:01:21.040 at one point it was just kind of, well, hands off, live and let live. Let's not even kind of fight

00:01:28.700 these culture wars politically or legislatively. That seems to be changing, and I will certainly

00:01:34.820 call for that to be changed. But before we get into everything that we're going to talk about today,

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00:04:11.320 you know what, I don't want to do this anymore. The negativity, the harshness, the attacks, they're just

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00:04:22.780 it worth it. And so just thank you for that. I wouldn't be here if it weren't for you. I wouldn't be doing

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00:07:03.100 going on. And then maybe I'll try to end us on like a positive note so we don't just get dragged

00:07:08.940 down into this depravity. That is a pun that I didn't even mean to make as the word was coming out.

00:07:15.640 But we're going to talk about what was happening in Dallas, Texas over the weekend and probably what

00:07:20.960 is happening in your area too. And that is that a bar in Dallas, Texas called Mr. Mr. M-R period,

00:07:30.100 Mr. M-I-S-S-T-E-R decided that they were going to host an event over the weekend called Drag the Kids

00:07:37.440 to Pride. And the reason that we're talking about this one is because it was kind of going viral

00:07:41.700 on Twitter over the weekend. Lots of people talking about it. It was billed on Eventbrite as a family

00:07:48.080 friendly spinoff, our famed champagne drag bunch. Now, drag brunch. Now, why anyone would feel the

00:07:57.340 need to invite kids into this mess? I'm not really sure. Well, actually, I'm pretty positive why

00:08:04.260 someone would want to bring kids into a sexual environment like this. But I'll just leave that

00:08:11.820 up to your imagination. So the advertisement said our under 21 guests can enjoy a special Mr. Mr.

00:08:18.280 Mocktail while the moms and dads, and that's just interesting, moms and dads. Wow. This is just

00:08:25.460 cis, hetero, patriarchal language right there. Can sip on one of our classic Mr. Mr. Mimosa Towers.

00:08:35.360 Do you want to hit the stage with the queens? We have five limited spots for young performers

00:08:41.260 to take the stage solo or with a queen of their choosing. So we're about to play you

00:08:47.500 a just a short clip of what was happening there. There were a lot of images and a lot of videos

00:08:53.860 that were being circulated on social media of the weekend over the weekend. And I don't want to play

00:08:59.500 all of them. And I don't want to show you all of them if you're watching on YouTube, because

00:09:02.820 it truly is so disturbing. And I'm just not sure if it provides anything helpful or productive for

00:09:11.400 you to see all of them. The reason why I'm even playing the little clip is just so you know that

00:09:15.540 I'm telling the truth that this is something that was actually happening. So I'll just describe to you

00:09:20.240 before I play one clip, there are men, if you don't know what a drag queen is, there are men who dress

00:09:27.440 up as women and really they're caricatures of women. Caricatures of very raunchy women.

00:09:32.820 Charicatures of strippers, I would even say. So they're in this very scandalous attire. They've

00:09:39.220 got their fake boobs on and they've got their like fishnet tights that again, everything is very

00:09:44.360 revealing. They've got their hair super done up. They're wearing a ton of makeup and these are men

00:09:48.600 and they're twerking and they're doing the splits and they're doing these kind of very sexual

00:09:55.020 movements, probably not as sexual as they could be, but still it's a very sexual experience. I mean,

00:10:01.260 it looks basically like what you would see at a strip club and yet these are men. So for some

00:10:06.660 reason, this has to do with pride. For some reason, this is family friendly just because they're

00:10:11.500 men dressed up like this. It's very confusing and as you will see in the clip that we are about to

00:10:15.980 play, there is actually a child who is prompted by her parent to give this drag queen who is doing

00:10:22.660 the splits in this like leotard and tights, basically a thong in front of this kid. And

00:10:30.220 then the parent prompts this poor child to give this man money. So here is that clip.

00:10:52.660 I mean, that's just so disturbing. It really does break my heart. And if you're not watching

00:10:59.020 on YouTube, there is a sign that is illuminated in the back that said it's not going to lick

00:11:03.060 itself. Now tell me, can you just tell me like what parent, what parent would bring their child

00:11:12.300 to something like this? Because we can talk about the event organizers. We can talk about the owners

00:11:16.540 at the bar. We can talk about the drag queens, all perverts. Yes and amen. We all agree with that.

00:11:22.620 But these events would not be happening if there were not a demand, if there were not parents who

00:11:28.420 would take their children. I mean, we're talking about eight, nine, 10 year old children, if not even

00:11:33.020 younger than that, bringing them into a bar in which scantily clad men are dancing sexually for money

00:11:41.340 and then inviting these children to dance with them in front of other adults who are throwing

00:11:47.140 dollars. This would not be happening if there were not parents who are completely deluded and depraved

00:11:54.640 in their minds with calloused hearts who would bring their child to this kind of madness.

00:12:03.300 Yes, I do think, as I said on Twitter, that this should be criminalized. I think that this should

00:12:11.040 be illegal. I think every Republican legislature and every Republican governor should right now be

00:12:19.840 drafting a bill to make this kind of thing illegal. And honestly, it could probably be interpreted

00:12:26.180 based on the laws that are already on the books as child sex abuse. I mean, this is a form of

00:12:32.960 psychological abuse. You know, showing a child pornography is against the law. How is this any different?

00:12:39.600 This is a form of pornography. This is sexually explicit content. Now, maybe you as an adult don't

00:12:45.280 think so. Maybe you don't think it's super sexual. But yes, a man dressed as a caricature of a raunchy

00:12:51.760 stripper dancing in front of children for money is absolutely a form of sexual content. And kids,

00:12:58.820 because they cannot consent by nature, that's what the law says. That's, of course, what common sense tells

00:13:04.580 us that they cannot consent because their minds are not fully formed. They are not capable of

00:13:10.840 consenting to this kind of thing. They are being forced by adults to watch sexual and pornographic

00:13:17.980 material. And so absolutely, if it is not already illegal based on the laws on the books, it should

00:13:24.640 be made explicitly illegal. And the bar owner, the drag queen, the event, the drag queens, the event

00:13:32.860 organizers, and the parents should all be held liable. Now, I will leave it up to the lawmakers

00:13:39.020 what they think the consequence should be. I think it should be serious. People should be afraid

00:13:44.360 to organize events like this. They should have to at least weigh the risks. You should at least,

00:13:53.120 if you're going to organize an event like this and advertise it publicly, you should be forced to

00:13:58.360 calculate the risk and ask yourself if you want to spend some time in jail. Is it worth it to you?

00:14:03.360 The fact that they thought that this was all well and good, that they would get a lot of support,

00:14:07.820 that they would get a lot of business, they wouldn't get a lot of pushback. That tells you

00:14:13.040 where we are as a society. And this is in Dallas, Texas. Now, before I give more commentary on this,

00:14:20.120 I do want to bring in the reporter who exposed all of this, who infiltrated this

00:14:24.200 godforsaken event and showed us what was actually going on. And I want him to talk about his feelings

00:14:31.180 because this is a guy who was reported on a lot of different things, a lot of scary events that

00:14:35.800 have gone on. And yet he says that this was the worst of them. And so I want you to hear him

00:14:42.480 articulate why that is. So I'm going to play for you that interview.

00:14:49.200 Taylor, thank you so much for joining us. Could you tell everyone who may not know who you are and what

00:14:53.180 you do? Yeah, my name is Taylor Hanson. I'm an investigative journalist in the field reporter.

00:14:58.020 I've covered, you know, well over 20 riots in the past. Usually I'm covering civil unrest,

00:15:03.460 but a lot of times I go undercover. I blend with extremist groups. And in this particular situation,

00:15:08.660 I dressed in a tutu and a pronoun shirt and infiltrated a child's drag show.

00:15:13.220 And why did you decide to cover this child drag show?

00:15:17.780 So I actually saw the event listed. It was openly listed on Eventbrite on Facebook.

00:15:23.180 And I was really intrigued that, you know, they were openly advertising this at a gay bar called

00:15:28.420 Mr. Misters. I looked up the Yelp, you know, the signs all over the wall that says, you know,

00:15:33.680 I licked it. So it's mine. Lick me all over. So right as I saw those signs, I mean, I instantly

00:15:39.480 knew I knew it was going to be, you know, turn into a huge situation if someone was actually able

00:15:43.220 to get in and expose what was going on. So that was my thought process was going in and trying to

00:15:48.120 help those kids and really show that, you know, this isn't happening in California. This is here

00:15:52.900 in Dallas, Texas. Yeah. A lot of the clips were circulating online. We just played a short clip.

00:15:58.700 I didn't want to show too many images because honestly, it's so disturbing. And I saw a clip of

00:16:05.360 you that you posted on Twitter after you covered this event that that's what made me want to talk

00:16:10.460 to you because you said something that was really heartbreaking to me. You said that this was

00:16:14.880 probably the most disturbing event that you have covered. And you just said that you've covered

00:16:21.540 riots. So you've seen a lot of violence, a lot of depravity. And yet this apparently family friendly

00:16:29.680 drag show with kids involved, you said was so, so stomach turning and disturbing. So can you just

00:16:36.320 talk a little bit more about that? Describe your experience and what made it so difficult to watch?

00:16:42.220 Yeah. I mean, right from the get go, you know, I, when we were allowed into the events,

00:16:46.740 I, they, they sat me down at the bar where they were serving alcohol, they were serving drinks and

00:16:51.120 I had a child sitting next to me. And, you know, I thought that was odd one that kids were even in

00:16:55.500 the bar in the first place and two that he's sitting at the bar with me. And I mean, the biggest thing

00:17:00.220 from the event that really kind of got under my skin, I would, I would say is that video you're

00:17:04.260 referring to where I was talking about that child and overhearing the conversation of where, you know,

00:17:09.420 he's talking with the bartender and he says, no, I'm not gay. And his mom butts in and says,

00:17:13.520 no, he is gay. Don't let him lie to you. And the kid just looks defeated. I mean,

00:17:17.840 he doesn't want to be there child about, would you say he had, he was probably under 11 years old.

00:17:23.880 Wow. And he, you know, he solved his Rubik's cube three different times while he was there. He

00:17:28.420 didn't pay attention to, you know, these men walking up and down the aisle, taking cash from these other

00:17:33.280 kids and these parents. So I really felt bad for, for that child, but that was just, you know,

00:17:37.540 the tip of the iceberg. I mean, you had parents feeding their kids money so they could hand them

00:17:42.700 to these, you know, drag Queens that are supposedly there to empower them. I mean, that's really how

00:17:47.880 they framed this whole event. And that that's what really disgusted me about is they framed it to be

00:17:53.760 accepting of yourself and your true self. Meanwhile, you have, you know, a lady across the aisle that's

00:17:59.020 forcing her kid to wear a don't mess with trans kids shirts. And, you know, there, there was one

00:18:04.680 portion where they actually danced with the kids and had them walk down with their favorite, you

00:18:10.200 know, model of the day. And the one, the very first kid that walked down, I mean, he, he was just

00:18:15.200 miserable. He didn't want to be there. He was having a terrible time. I mean, and these kids don't even

00:18:19.980 understand any of this, but yet their parents are bringing them to these, you know, hypersexual events

00:18:25.940 where there's gender neutral bathrooms at, you know, a boy and a girl can't even go to the bathroom in

00:18:31.680 separate areas. I mean, truly, you know, I'd rather be tear gassed over a hundred times again than have

00:18:37.380 to sit through an event like that. Wow. And this is happening in Dallas, Texas. This is not happening

00:18:42.780 in Portland or Seattle or New York city or LA, the places where people, I guess, kind of expect for

00:18:50.220 this to happen. This is happening in Texas. Was that surprising to you? Oh, it was, I mean,

00:18:56.460 it was more than surprising to me. That's, that's really kind of what got me, you know, to really

00:19:01.080 get there is, you know, I expected it in California. You know, we've seen videos of kids being given

00:19:06.700 cash at bars and them dancing for adults. That's a California thing. You know, grooming is openly

00:19:11.940 accepted out there, but here in Dallas, Texas, you know, 30 minutes away from where I live in many of,

00:19:18.560 you know, all these journalists out here in Texas live. I mean, it was just mind blowing to see that

00:19:23.180 this was actually allowed and that there was no public pushback. And thank God for John Doyle

00:19:28.300 organizing the night before, you know, to kind of push back on these people. Because if he hadn't,

00:19:33.220 I mean, not a single person would have shown up and no one would have even really known about this.

00:19:37.280 It wouldn't have turned into anything. They would have continued to do it.

00:19:40.100 Were you able to talk to any of the parents or any of the drag queens at the event?

00:19:46.520 Yeah. So I did talk to some of the parents and the drag queens, uh, the parents, you know,

00:19:50.720 of course they were very kind to me and upfront with me because I was wearing a tutu,

00:19:54.940 lots of compliments on my tutu. So thank you for that. Um, but a lot of it, I mean,

00:19:58.700 it was really troubling. You know, they were talking about how their eight year old kid

00:20:03.200 identifies a certain way, but it doesn't make any sense in my mind because, you know, logically

00:20:08.400 this child is a child and they're at their most important stage of development. And these parents

00:20:13.580 are just feeding them lies. Um, you had a lot of the parents really concerned about the protesters

00:20:18.160 outside and what they were saying. They were telling cops to arrest them, even though they

00:20:22.320 were the ones bringing in underage children inside this gay bar. Um, so, you know, it was

00:20:27.120 just an overall terrible, terrible experience. And Aldo, uh, but his only, uh, Elijah Schaefer's

00:20:33.380 good friend of mine as well. And, you know, we got this big old journalist group and I couldn't,

00:20:38.780 you know, be more grateful to Aldo for doing what he did too, because he made it inside and

00:20:43.640 he actually secured interviews with two of the drag queens, uh, the drag queen that you

00:20:48.680 see Alex Stein confronting later on the day. And then the drag queen that actually was the

00:20:53.400 most provocative, uh, towards the children that was doing splits for the children. So

00:20:57.880 he secured both of those interviews and in the interviews, they openly talk about, you

00:21:02.460 know, how exposing kids to drag is going to make more drag queens in the future. It's going

00:21:07.660 to create more, you know, it's going to large in the LGBTQ community. So, I mean, they're openly

00:21:12.700 saying what they're going to do. They're grooming these kids. They don't care. They see it as a good

00:21:17.080 thing. They say we have more support now than ever. And which is sadly true, but I mean, they're

00:21:22.600 openly grooming these kids. They don't care. They think it's a good thing. And they laugh at you if

00:21:27.400 you call them groomers. Wow. It is absolutely heartbreaking. And there was some hostility against

00:21:32.680 people like Alex Stein and other people who were trying to report on this, correct?

00:21:37.660 Yeah. Yeah. I, I actually personally saw Alex get assaulted at least five different times.

00:21:43.980 And, you know, my, my girlfriend was assaulted there. She's minding her own business. Wasn't

00:21:47.740 saying a word. She was spat on by a guy that was driving by for no reason. I was assaulted. I mean,

00:21:53.180 there was very well easy, at least four police reports filed that day. Um, but whenever the,

00:21:58.620 the counter protesters, you know, all of these Catholic men that are literally praying for these people

00:22:04.460 are trying to do anything, the cops will get in front of them. But, and then, you know, the minute

00:22:08.300 that the, the attendees and the security and Antifa group out here in Dallas, they attack people,

00:22:15.180 you know, they harass people. They actually chased the guy out of the event and were pushing him,

00:22:19.740 punching him, hitting him with flags. And the cops essentially tried to arrest the other guy that

00:22:24.860 was actually being abused by these people. I mean, so Dallas PD, you know, I, I come from a family of

00:22:30.540 law enforcement, but I'm very critical of law enforcement when they do their, don't do their

00:22:33.900 jobs. I mean, they had TABC called, there was underage kids in the bar, there was people

00:22:39.100 assaulting, you know, others, and they weren't doing anything. They were just standing by.

00:22:43.340 Wow. It does seem like left-wing violence is a state sanctioned violence in many cases,

00:22:48.860 especially in these liberal areas. Well, thank you so much for covering it. I can imagine just

00:22:54.620 the dark and heavy feeling that accompanied being a part of something like that, or just

00:23:00.780 witnessing something like that. But I am thankful that you exposed it because I do think sunlight is

00:23:05.660 the best disinfectant. And so we do need courageous people to uncover dark things like this. So thank

00:23:11.660 you so much. And thanks for taking the time to come on today. I really appreciate it.

00:23:15.580 Of course. It's the least I can do. Thank you so much for your time.

00:23:17.900 Thank you. All right. So as I was saying before that interview, I think based on what we've seen,

00:23:27.260 that Republicans should be calling for a formal legal ban on this stuff. And there's really two

00:23:32.700 reasons for that. Number one, because it's child sex abuse, as I already said. And I firmly believe

00:23:37.820 that. I'm not going to backtrack on that. I'm not going to caveat that. And number two, because it would

00:23:43.100 cause Democrats to then defend it because Democrats, of course, have to knee jerk defend anything that

00:23:49.820 Republicans are against. And so it would force them to try to defend child drag shows. It would

00:23:56.880 force Democrats to try to give an answer for why they think children should be invited to shows where

00:24:02.320 scantily clad men are twerking for money. Why do they think that's good? Why do they think that's

00:24:07.920 something that is necessary? Why do they think that's something that's beneficial to children in society?

00:24:11.820 And how far, by the way, do you want this to go? Like, how much do you actually want to involve

00:24:17.100 children in this kind of behavior? Yeah, we're going to keep calling you groomers until you stand

00:24:23.340 up against this kind of thing. You know, I really think that conservatives need to flip the script as

00:24:28.720 much as possible, because I don't think that kind of falling back and just saying, well, we're not really

00:24:34.120 going to engage in the culture wars or we're not really going to play offense on this. We're just

00:24:38.500 going to be placing defense or playing defense on all this if I don't think that it's worked very

00:24:44.000 well. I think conservatives are constantly worried that other people are going to think that we are

00:24:49.500 extreme or hateful or wrong, when in reality, left wing positions on every issue are really the radical

00:24:56.320 positions. It is not radical to think that dismembering a baby is wrong. It's actually radical to think that

00:25:01.160 that's okay. It is not radical to think that a child should not be going to a drag show or that a

00:25:09.200 child, a teenager, shouldn't be chemically castrated or that their healthy breasts shouldn't be cut off.

00:25:14.020 It is actually radical to believe that that's okay. It's radical to defend those things. And we need to

00:25:20.720 make that extremely clear. Conservatives are always worried about their friends or other people

00:25:25.720 thinking that they're a certain kind of conservative that is a radical or homophobic or transphobic or

00:25:33.320 that they're extreme on abortion or extreme on guns, whatever, whatever. Even if you are a moderate on

00:25:38.940 those things, you don't need to be on the defense. You really need to put liberals on the defense on

00:25:44.360 those things. Rather than conservatives being worried about seeing as that kind of conservative,

00:25:49.360 whatever that is, and constantly being on the defense about your views, liberals should be on the

00:25:54.160 defense about this. No, you have to convince me that you're not that kind of liberal. You need to

00:25:58.680 convince me that you're not an extremist. You need to convince me that you are not a pervert who defends

00:26:03.940 these kinds of grooming activities. Oh, you tell me you're a liberal? You tell me that you are pro-Pride

00:26:09.340 Month? Well, you need to defend to me and explain to me the positions of the people who are on your side.

00:26:17.040 I think conservatives are so worried about being associated with other kinds of conservatives or with

00:26:22.120 certain kinds of Republicans. They really want to make a distinction between themselves and Republicans

00:26:27.360 that they maybe see as embarrassing or too extreme on certain issues. Again, I think that it should be

00:26:33.580 up to Democrats and up to liberals to explain to us why are they different, how they are different

00:26:38.940 than the people who are pro-drag queen story hour, pro-gender ideology, pro-bringing kids into

00:26:46.320 this madness. They should be the ones that are on the defense. Republicans should be the ones that are on

00:26:51.460 the offense. That is why I think that conservatives, that Republicans should take every opportunity and

00:26:57.560 use every tool that is constitutionally available to them to push back against this stuff. Absolutely.

00:27:04.040 Parents should really start considering whether or not it is worth it to them

00:27:08.060 to bring their kids to things where their child is going to be preyed upon

00:27:13.300 by men who are basically strippers wearing makeup. Now, I don't want any of this to even be a

00:27:21.480 conversation. I think parents in general do what is best for their children or do what they think

00:27:27.920 is best for the children. But should there be a criminal punishment and liability and accountability

00:27:35.780 for this kind of child sex abuse? I absolutely think that there should be. Seth Dillon, who is the CEO

00:27:42.700 of Babylon Bee, made a funny tweet. He said, we need a show called To Catch a Groomer, where cops

00:27:48.360 organize fake family-friendly drag shows and then arrest all the parents who show up with their

00:27:53.340 kids. It's a joke, but are we really against it? I mean, we are talking about degrading the minds of

00:28:03.140 children who are simply not ready to see this kind of thing. They're not ready to have sexual

00:28:09.120 encounters. It messes a child up. It messes them up sexually, and it just messes them up

00:28:14.980 psychologically. There was an op-ed, it was either last year or in 2020, in the Washington Post, where

00:28:21.320 a mother argued that kink needs to be kept in pride expressly because she wanted her kids to see it.

00:28:29.060 She wanted her young kids to see men wearing leather thongs and spanking one another with leather

00:28:37.260 whips and leading one another on leashes like their dogs because she thought that it started a good

00:28:43.640 conversation and made them more open to that kind of thing. Yeah, that's psychological sexual abuse of a

00:28:50.220 child. And if that's the game that we're going to play, if that's the thing that you're going to do, then

00:28:55.240 you cannot expect conservatives not to fight back. You know, we started this whole sexual revolution

00:29:02.960 with the idea that people just want to be left alone, that we should have no say over what two

00:29:08.760 people do in their bedroom, two consenting adults. If they want to engage in certain kind of behavior,

00:29:14.580 they should be able to engage in that. That's how the whole conversation started. That's how the

00:29:18.580 revolution started. And they should be able to visit one another in the hospital. That's all well and

00:29:25.240 good. However, some people warned, well, you know what? There may be a slippery slope here.

00:29:29.800 Like, this may lead to some other things that we're not okay with as a society. I do not think

00:29:37.140 that we could have even envisioned how slippery the slope would be. If the premise of the whole

00:29:42.980 sexual revolution had actually been true, and it had actually been about what consenting adults do in

00:29:48.240 their bedroom, I don't think anyone would care. We wouldn't be having culture war conversations. We

00:29:52.220 wouldn't even be discussing it because no one really does care. No one's trying to stop that. But when

00:29:57.860 you bring children into the fold, when this starts to look more like predation than private acts between

00:30:04.960 consenting people, when this is more about grooming children into certain behavior than just someone's

00:30:11.680 personal stated identity, yeah, we're going to have a problem. This is going to become a culture war

00:30:17.260 issue. And look, you're pushing too far. You're pushing too far. When you're advocating for things like

00:30:22.500 child drag shows and the chemical castration of children, you're pushing too far. It's too much

00:30:28.420 too fast, even so that even moderates and liberals are going to be against the entirety of the sexual

00:30:34.900 revolution. And the people who warned the moral majority back in the day that warned that things

00:30:40.680 like this could happen, even though I don't think that they could have even imagined all of this,

00:30:45.460 they're starting to be vindicated and proven correct. And how this is going to crash and burn,

00:30:54.680 how this is going to clash, it's not going to be pretty. I don't know what it's going to look like.

00:30:59.660 I don't know when enough people are going to be fed up. I don't know when enough people are going to

00:31:04.140 just kind of wake up to the reality of what is happening in some of these enclaves of gender activism.

00:31:12.200 Um, but they will. And the clash, the crash of it all is, as I said, not going to be pretty.

00:31:21.420 According to the Daily Wire, Michigan GOP gubernatorial candidate Tudor Dixon says,

00:31:27.120 I'll criminalize involving children in drag shows. She says, as governor, I sign a bill that creates

00:31:35.340 severe criminal penalties for adults who involve children in drag shows. This type of behavior is

00:31:40.300 criminal child sexually abusive activity. We will make Michigan the toughest state in the country

00:31:46.140 on child sex abusers. Go you. That's based. I hope that was inspired by my tweet. And I hope that this

00:31:53.500 person is elected the governor of Michigan. And perhaps in response to my tweet, there is a Texas

00:32:01.520 legislator by the name of Brian Slayton, who represents HD2 in Texas, who said, drag shows are no

00:32:09.120 place for a child. I would never take my children to a drag show. And I know Speaker Dade Phelan and my

00:32:15.120 Republican colleagues wouldn't either. I will be filing legislation to address this issue in the new

00:32:19.800 Texas ledge. So he put out a press release saying, following several news stories and videos over the

00:32:27.560 weekend in which underage Texas children were subjected to inappropriate sexual content by adults,

00:32:33.620 state representative Brian Slayton announced he plans to file legislation protecting kids from drag

00:32:39.560 shows and other inappropriate displays as soon as the next legislative session begins. Rep.

00:32:47.880 Representative Slayton has already announced that he will continue his fight to make sex change

00:32:51.600 therapies on minors child abuse. Similar legislation was killed by Republicans in the Texas House

00:32:56.340 in 2021. So good for him. Politics matter. Policy matters. People matter. And by the way,

00:33:04.260 Twitter matters. Saying things like this actually can make a difference. So keep on holding your

00:33:11.500 representatives accountable and pushing for this kind of thing. It can make a life changing difference

00:33:16.000 in the lives of the kids who are victimized by this ideology. There was a pastor, according to Blaze

00:33:22.800 Media, that said drag queen or so the headline says drag queen pastor declares God is nothing in

00:33:31.000 blasphemous profanity laced video. Isaac Simmons, United Methodist Church candidate for ordination and

00:33:37.220 associate pastor at Hope UMC in Illinois, said that he is a drag evangelist who goes by Miss Penny

00:33:46.240 Cost. And he says that God is nothing, that the Bible is nothing, that religion is nothing. God is

00:33:55.780 nothing. But if she were, she would be, yes, queening her way down the runways of Paris and

00:34:00.340 Montreal, strutting between that tightrope pulled taut between absurdity and opulence, balancing between

00:34:06.520 too much and never enough. And the reason why I think that it's actually important to bring this person

00:34:11.120 up who considers himself a Methodist is because this is really what it all comes down to. We talked

00:34:18.140 about this last week when we were talking about Matt Walsh's What is a Woman documentary. It comes

00:34:22.740 down to the denial of truth. It comes down to the denial of reality. It all comes down to the denial

00:34:27.480 of God and the existence of a creator who made us male and female. It all comes back to the rejection of

00:34:34.380 the idea of a higher authority who created us and tells us who we are. It comes down to the rejection

00:34:39.580 of truth. So really what we're all, what we're having here is not a culture war conversation or

00:34:44.240 a political debate. It really is a theological discussion about who made us. Do we get to

00:34:49.940 declare who we are? Do we get to choose our gender? Do we get to choose our identity? Do we get to choose

00:34:55.220 our own truth and morality? Or does all of that exist, pre-exist us? Is there a God who tells us who we are

00:35:03.420 and why we are here and what our identity is? That's really the great debate in all of these

00:35:10.500 conversations, not just about gender and sexuality, but even in the role of the government, even in like

00:35:17.980 the right of self-defense, it all comes down to who you believe made us, where our rights come from,

00:35:23.940 what human nature is, what sin is, what society should look like. We are seeing the manifestations

00:35:30.060 of the fissures and the very foundation of our society, which is always theological. A society is

00:35:36.900 always determined by what they believe or do not believe about God. And that is where we're seeing

00:35:43.200 the consequences of all of that now. Okay, so that's enough of the sickness and the depravity

00:35:49.860 of our culture for now. I told you that we were going to end on a lighter and a more encouraging note,

00:35:56.480 and I really meant that. But just to summarize all, just to summarize all of this, everything that is

00:36:02.420 happening there, the revolution is pushed too far. The depravity has gotten so great, so in your face

00:36:10.280 that it is finally and fully preying upon the most vulnerable, as it always does. Children are always

00:36:15.880 the unconsenting subjects of progressive social experiments. And there is going to be a backlash

00:36:22.000 like you've never seen. And part of that backlash needs to be legislative. Republicans need to

00:36:27.600 understand that their constituents are not going to tolerate this kind of thing, and that there

00:36:32.980 actually needs to be some legal pressure on the entities that are preying upon children and grooming

00:36:40.400 children in this way. It's child sex abuse. Republicans need to see it as what it is, and they need to respond

00:36:46.880 accordingly. And we as constituents need to be putting pressure on our lawmakers to do just that.

00:36:55.280 Okay, so I know how easy it is to listen to all of this and to think, wow, we have created new forms

00:37:01.760 of evil that the world has never seen before. In some ways, yes, that is true, because every society

00:37:06.900 is different. We've got different technology. We've got different ways of manifesting evil, of being wicked

00:37:13.600 to one another. But in another sense, there really is nothing new under the sun. We've talked before

00:37:19.900 about ancient Greece and Rome and the world that Christianity was born into that sacrificed children,

00:37:28.640 not just in a literal way. Of course, that has existed since almost the beginning of human history,

00:37:33.200 but also in the sense that children were just subjugated. They were sexually exploited. They were seen as

00:37:38.940 sex slaves in some ways, or they were just pushed off to the side, not taken care of.

00:37:43.600 Seen as less than. They certainly weren't seen as human beings made in the image of God.

00:37:47.940 And Jesus changed that. The gospel changed that. This radical equality that the gospel

00:37:52.280 brought to society, that everyone apart from Christ is dead in their sin, and everyone in Christ

00:37:57.420 is equally his child, is equally his heir, is a different member of the body of Christ, that there

00:38:05.220 is neither Jew nor Greek nor slave nor free nor male nor female, but we are all in Christ. Those of us

00:38:11.180 who by grace through faith have been saved by him. So this radical equality that the gospel brought to

00:38:17.360 the table and universalized this Jewish idea that we see in the first chapter of the Bible, that male

00:38:23.220 and female are uniquely valuable because we are made in the image of God that didn't just have a change

00:38:29.260 in the locales where the early church was, but also it really changed civilization. It built Western

00:38:36.740 society. It was the basis for every true movement for justice and liberation, like abolition. It is

00:38:43.840 the wind beneath the abolition or the fight against abortion's wings. And so every true and just fight

00:38:52.500 for equality and for rights in the West has been motivated by this radical idea of equality, which not

00:39:00.500 only was not true before Christianity came on the scene, but is also still not true in most of the

00:39:08.120 world today. And so what we are seeing are the manifestations of a post-Christian culture.

00:39:12.700 Pre-Christian world, really, really ugly. Post-Christian world is also going to be really

00:39:17.600 ugly. Once you get rid of this idea that human beings are made in the image of God, that we are all

00:39:22.220 valuable, no matter our age, no matter our size, no matter our ability or disability, no matter

00:39:28.200 our gender. And therefore, there are rights afforded to you. Most importantly, the right to life, the

00:39:34.880 right to not be murdered, the right to not be arbitrarily detained, the right to do process,

00:39:39.440 like all of these rights that we have enshrined in our constitution that are really based on this

00:39:43.360 biblical idea of human beings having rights that predate the government because we were created by

00:39:48.860 God who gave us those rights. All of that becomes arbitrary. All of that kind of goes out the window.

00:39:54.720 And this idea of children being valuable, again, that is an anomaly in world history. It's still

00:40:02.300 an anomaly in the world today. I mean, child marriage still exists in most of the Eastern world

00:40:08.660 today. In most of the non-Christian world, child marriage is not seen as predation. It's not seen

00:40:14.120 as pedophilia. It's not seen as any kind of perversion or paraphilia. It is seen as completely

00:40:19.560 normal and sanctioned by their religion and sanctioned by the state. Christianity is what changed

00:40:24.640 that. Christianity has changed the game for every truly marginalized group, especially women and

00:40:30.280 children. And in this case of what we're talking about, in particular, children. So it should not

00:40:35.460 be a surprise as we enter post-Christian America that we are going to see the continued and the

00:40:41.320 outright, the unabashed exploitation and sexual exploitation of children. That has gone on in a

00:40:54.640 outright than it has ever been. And Christians simply must carry the torch that Christians

00:41:00.460 since the beginning of the church, the inception of Christianity have carried. And that is to be a

00:41:05.120 refuge of protection for children. So that absolutely means speaking out against this. That absolutely

00:41:11.260 does mean utilizing the tools that we have politically, but also just personally. And of course,

00:41:17.800 all of this very peacefully to push back against this, to push back against the exploitation of the

00:41:23.460 minds and the bodies of children. That is what the church has always done. That is what the church

00:41:27.260 must continue to do to raise a respectful ruckus for this thing that really matters. And I just want

00:41:32.420 to remind you that if you look all the way back to Romans 1, it really describes the world that

00:41:37.060 Christianity was born into. And I won't read the entirety of the chapter. I really encourage you to

00:41:45.540 go read Romans 1. I use the English Standard Version. That is my version of choice. But the world in which

00:41:54.600 Christianity was born into is described. So, for although they knew God, they did not honor him

00:42:00.100 as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking and their foolish hearts were

00:42:04.040 darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images

00:42:09.840 resembling mortal man and birds and animals and creeping things. Therefore, God gave them up in

00:42:15.620 the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

00:42:20.440 because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature

00:42:25.800 rather than the creator who is blessed forever. Amen. I remember one time AOC, I don't know why,

00:42:35.280 but she was talking about the Republican Party and she used those verses, Romans 1.20, or she used

00:42:41.600 Romans 1.25 to somehow condemn the Republican Party. And I was like, AOC, what does it say

00:42:46.520 in the verse after that? It says, for this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions for their

00:42:52.380 women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature. And the men likewise gave up

00:42:56.700 natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another. Men committing shameless

00:43:01.340 acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And then it goes on to

00:43:07.040 say, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done. They were filled with all

00:43:12.180 manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife,

00:43:16.700 deceit, maliciousness. They are gossip, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of

00:43:22.160 evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless, though they know God's

00:43:28.680 righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die. They not only do them,

00:43:33.100 but give approval to those who practice them. So it is a good reminder for all of us that evil

00:43:40.480 takes on many manifestations, has always been around, that it might seem worse and more intense

00:43:45.240 than ever, but really it's just taking on different forms. And the Christian response is always to share

00:43:53.280 the gospel, to speak the truth in love, to love the people who are lost, realizing that they are in the

00:43:58.580 same place apart from Christ as we once were, that there is no reason for us to judge them in the sense

00:44:04.280 that we do not think that we in and of ourselves are more righteous than them. The only difference

00:44:08.960 between us and them is Christ. So remembering that humbly, but also being unafraid to represent

00:44:15.180 and speak and push for that which is good and right and true, always for the sake of the most

00:44:19.260 vulnerable. That's what we do. That's what we are called to do. Remembering that the God who is our

00:44:24.960 strength is the same yesterday, today, and forever. That's what Hebrews 13, 8 says. And that our call

00:44:29.640 is the church to be a refuge of clarity and courage and truth in love is the same as it has always been.

00:44:38.520 And therefore we have every reason to have courage. We have every reason to be loud and to speak up about

00:44:44.300 these things in a peaceful and respectful, but clear and forceful way. So that's what I think that we are

00:44:48.840 called to today. Thanks so much for listening. If you love this podcast, please leave us a five-star

00:44:54.240 review. That would be awesome. We've got a lot to talk about this week. We're going to talk about the

00:44:57.720 SBC, Southern Baptist Convention, finally talk about the big report on sexual abuse there. We'll talk about

00:45:02.840 the person who, we'll talk to one of the men who was running for SBC president. And yeah, we've got a lot

00:45:11.820 to cover, a lot to cover this week. So make sure you stay tuned for all of that. We will see you back here tomorrow.

00:45:18.840 Bye.

00:45:19.840 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 06, 2022

Ep 624 ｜ Dragging Kids Into Depravity ｜ Guest： Tayler Hansen

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