Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 627 ｜ Pro-Abortion Terrorism, Gun Control Bills & the Fatherlessness Problem

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00:00:24.300 All right, guys, we've got a lot of news to get through today,

00:00:27.880 and I am going to get through it with our friend TJ Moe. This is a new friend,

00:00:33.260 although I've been following him for a long time. He is a contributor to Jason Whitlock's

00:00:38.340 Fearless show, and he is a conservative commentator. We are going to be talking about

00:00:44.880 the violence that's in this country. We are going to be talking about guns. We're going to be talking

00:00:50.000 about fatherlessness, the cultural rot that is infecting our country, and how we think that

00:00:56.580 we can fix it. Now, let me just tell you, TJ Moe has got some spicy takes. He's got some spicy takes

00:01:03.500 about not just the moral issues that we have in our country. He's got some spicy takes about guns

00:01:11.060 and the Second Amendment and the left. And so just sit back and enjoy the spiciness that we have.

00:01:17.840 And typically, like, I am the more spicy one that is on the show. In this case, I found myself kind

00:01:26.680 of being the more vanilla one to his spiciness. So you're really going to like it. I know you guys

00:01:32.960 like guests that really bring it and just say exactly what they think. So I know you guys are

00:01:38.580 going to enjoy this conversation a lot. Before we get into it, I do want to talk about this new story

00:01:45.320 that I just find so incredibly disturbing. And then I'm going to get his reaction to it.

00:01:50.060 But the story is about the man who went to Justice Brett Kavanaugh's house, was found at his house,

00:01:56.680 I think, early in the morning, not this morning, but the morning before, like 1 a.m. or something

00:02:01.660 like that. He was in tactical gear. He was armed with a gun and zip ties and different kinds of weapons.

00:02:09.680 And the police found him. And they got the confession out of him that said he wanted to

00:02:17.280 kill Justice Kavanaugh because of what he thought Justice Kavanaugh would have to say

00:02:23.080 about the Dobbs case that will decide the future of abortion in states across the country. And then

00:02:30.500 also what he thought Justice Kavanaugh would say about guns, which, as I will say with TJ Moe,

00:02:37.300 is kind of ironic since this guy literally came from California with a gun in order to kill Justice

00:02:45.060 Brett Kavanaugh. So this is where we are. We've got pro-abortion terrorists who are literally trying

00:02:53.540 to assassinate Supreme Court justices because they might decide on a case that would have implications

00:03:04.820 in many states about abortion on abortion legislation, not in the state of California,

00:03:12.520 where this guy comes from. Because remember, overturning Roe v. Wade, which may happen depending

00:03:18.520 on what happens in this Dobbs case that the Supreme Court still has not published their decision on,

00:03:25.300 is that it would go back to the states. And so states would get to decide how much they want to

00:03:29.400 restrict or allow abortion. So you are still going to be, unfortunately, able to get an abortion in

00:03:36.000 many states. And in some states, it will be very difficult, if not impossible, to receive an abortion.

00:03:41.740 So it just gives it back to the state legislatures. It doesn't actually ban abortion outright, tragically.

00:03:49.780 And people are so angry about this. People are so incensed that women might lose the right to kill

00:03:56.540 their children, that they are actually going to kill the justices whose job it is to non-politically

00:04:05.180 interpret the law in light of the Constitution. And yet we are told that the biggest threat to

00:04:11.960 democracy, the biggest threat to this country, is Trump supporters, is so-called Christian nationalists,

00:04:19.920 Republicans, conservatives, white supremacists. And yet you don't hear a peep out of the media

00:04:25.400 about the left-wing violence that has terrorized the country for the past few years, whether it's in

00:04:30.680 the form of the left-wing rioters that were decimating cities a couple years ago that lasted

00:04:37.160 for months and months, whether it is the subway shooter or the Waukesha terrorists that were clearly

00:04:43.620 motivated by the talking points that we see circulating in mainstream left-wing media.

00:04:55.400 We don't hear from journalists on the danger that these people pose. You actually saw in the New

00:05:04.060 York Times a barely viewable, a barely readable little segment in their newspaper this morning

00:05:13.540 about the threat that Justice Kavanaugh faced in this guy coming to his house. This should be front

00:05:19.340 page news. This is a really big deal, especially for the side that says that they care so much about

00:05:24.120 democracy. But apparently, this does not stop the left from continuing to intimidate Justice Kavanaugh.

00:05:31.160 Here is a video of protesters outside of Kavanaugh's home where his wife and his little girls live,

00:05:38.000 by the way, after his life was threatened by this crazy person that traveled to his home to try to kill him.

00:05:44.040 Completely undeterred, completely uninhibited by the encouragement that they know that they are

00:06:05.640 giving crazy people to go to the justices' homes and kill them. And as we've talked about and as I'll talk about

00:06:13.920 in TJ Moe, the blue check marks, the liberal blue check marks on Twitter are only encouraging this kind of

00:06:19.120 thing. They think it's fine that Kavanaugh is getting death threats. They actually think, again, that the right to

00:06:25.360 kill your child is worth murdering someone over. How do you not see that this is a side that is completely in

00:06:32.480 service to death and destruction and evil and wickedness? If you as a Christian have been waffling on this, how do you

00:06:38.600 not see that this is a battle between light and dark and good and evil? And there's really no nuance here. There's never a

00:06:44.280 reason for abortion. There is never reason to intentionally murder a child in or outside of the womb. And of course, the

00:06:51.140 people who advocate for that, who think that there is a right to that, are also going to be murderous in other

00:06:55.760 ways. They are going to allow a culture of death to reign. Get on the right and just and light and loving and

00:07:02.940 actual compassionate side. Of course, this kind of thing has been encouraged by Democrat politicians. Here is Chuck

00:07:12.300 Schumer a couple years ago when he was reacting to abortion legislation in places like Missouri and

00:07:20.540 Louisiana. He basically threatened the conservative justices saying, you better decide the way that we

00:07:26.780 want you to decide or else. I want to tell you, Gorsuch, I want to tell you, Kavanaugh, you have released

00:07:34.680 the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won't know what hit you if you go forward with these awful

00:07:46.740 decisions. Yeah. So this was a couple years ago when they were deciding on some other legislation and

00:07:54.880 the constitutionality of of these decisions. And look, I'm not saying that Chuck Schumer is directly

00:08:01.560 to blame for what happened to Justice Kavanaugh or what almost happened to Justice Kavanaugh. We do have

00:08:07.660 free speech in this country. And yet and yet, I mean, if he is not held responsible for that and yet

00:08:16.100 conservatives like Tucker Carlson is held responsible for the things that he says, and there is some like

00:08:22.020 strange connection that is attempted to be made on the left between his words and the Buffalo shooter.

00:08:28.060 It's a little duplicitous if you ask me and part of the reason why we just cannot seem to come together

00:08:33.320 at all as a country. TJ, thanks so much for joining us. First, for those who may not be familiar,

00:08:40.960 can you tell us who you are and what you do? I am a contributor. I'm fearless with Jason Whitlock.

00:08:46.260 I we talk Christianity, we talk politics, we talk sports. We knew each other a little bit because I

00:08:54.260 played football at the University of Missouri over a decade ago now. And so Jason used to work at the

00:08:59.540 Kansas City Star. So we had a little bit of a connection there. Didn't know each other, but that

00:09:02.880 we know knew of each other. And he called me in November and said, you want to give it a try? And here we

00:09:07.640 are. Here we are. And you also played professionally, correct? I was in camp with the Patriots, tore my

00:09:15.180 Achilles first year up there. So I spent the year with them. Okay, tell us how though you got into this

00:09:21.020 political commentating world. Like what made Jason reach out to you and say, hey, do you want to come

00:09:26.620 on my show? Had you been active on Twitter? Or like, how did that happen? I asked him this question

00:09:30.680 yesterday. Actually, I don't know how we got to talking about it. But yes, it was Twitter. I think

00:09:34.620 Twitter is a net negative for the world. If Twitter went away tomorrow, we'd all be better

00:09:38.680 off. But it does provide some opportunities. And this is one of them. Yeah, yeah. I think the same

00:09:43.220 thing. I feel like every other week I'm debating, do I want to get off Twitter? Should I stop being

00:09:47.880 on Twitter? It's such a toxic cesspool. But then you actually do get opportunities. Like the week that

00:09:54.780 the Roe v. Wade draft came out, I was tweeting a lot. And I had so many opportunities because of the

00:10:01.060 things that I was tweeting to talk about this important issue of being pro-life, even on a

00:10:05.980 show that was more moderate slash liberal. And I'm like, well, you know, the Lord can use the cesspool

00:10:11.120 of a platform to for good for redemptive reasons. So I don't know. It's always a struggle that I have.

00:10:17.200 I think it gives us an opportunity for people to hear more opinions, but it has totally wrecked our

00:10:21.840 public discourse. So it's just two opinions now and you choose. You don't actually get to decide

00:10:26.080 which you don't get to hear them argue with each other. Yeah, properly.

00:10:28.840 Do you think that Twitter, the rise of social media is part of why we have what seems like a

00:10:34.640 rise in political violence? Because we're going to talk about this a little bit more in depth in

00:10:41.280 just a second. But I mean, we saw this attacker go to Brett Kavanaugh's house. He was a guy from

00:10:47.180 California. He was armed with a gun. He said that he was there to kill Brett Kavanaugh because of his

00:10:53.140 decision on or his what I guess this guy thought or thinks is going to be his decision on the Dobbs

00:11:00.400 case, which decides Roe v. Wade. And also, ironically, what he thinks Kavanaugh thinks about

00:11:05.900 the Second Amendment. So do you think like social media has a part to play in something like this

00:11:11.780 happening? Probably. I always hate to, similar to like, you know, blaming politicians for something

00:11:19.600 they said and then a crazy person takes it and makes it what they want. I guess. I think what

00:11:24.300 it's done is it's given crazy people, because there's so many people on social media, right?

00:11:29.140 I think there's like 3 billion active monthly users on Facebook, 2 or 3 billion. And so what it's done is

00:11:35.680 it's it's shown crazy people. There are other crazy people willing to agree with them. And that's

00:11:41.800 that you now have. It's like you used to be able to go into a circle and all of the rational people

00:11:46.260 would say, hey, you're crazy. Let's tone this down. That's not a rational thought. Let's talk

00:11:49.720 you off the ledge. Now you post it on the Internet and all the other crazy people say you're exactly

00:11:53.440 right. Go get your gun. We'll put this together. I think you can still pass your background check and

00:11:57.180 get after it. Yeah. And there is there's a high that you get, I think, from likes and retweets

00:12:05.460 and people agreeing with you. I also think people who maybe they wouldn't typically be crazy, but

00:12:11.440 they're predisposed to kind of extremism and violence when they get online and they see other

00:12:17.940 people that have the same kind of inclination, getting attention and affirmation. And they start

00:12:22.900 to form kind of like communities with those people, whether it's on the dark web or whether it's on

00:12:27.260 Twitter or something like that. I think that leads to kind of the radicalism and the justification

00:12:32.480 of hate and the thought that you could maybe be a hero. I mean, if you look at some of the things

00:12:38.820 that are said that said on Twitter, especially after that drafted opinion by Alito came out,

00:12:46.200 these blue check marks saying that they're OK with bad things happening to the Supreme Court

00:12:51.740 justices. They're OK with the death threats. They're OK with, you know, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch and the

00:12:58.000 other conservative justices being potentially harmed. You could see how someone who is maybe

00:13:05.380 predisposed to radicalism and violence would look at that and say, you know what, if I do this,

00:13:10.520 if I carry this out, then I'm going to be a hero. And again, like you said, I don't want to blame

00:13:15.540 these people for what's happening necessarily. You do have free speech, but you could see how

00:13:20.480 someone would make that connection.

00:13:22.220 There's a poll that came out yesterday and I'm trying to remember who it was from. The Daily

00:13:26.820 Caller had the they weren't the ones that conducted the poll, but they were the report that I saw.

00:13:31.480 Forty four percent of young men that identify as Democrats believe it's OK to kill a politician

00:13:38.860 if they are 44 percent believe it's OK to kill a politician if they're doing something that they

00:13:46.060 believe harms America. Wow. Wow. And so I guess that's how you kind of justify it.

00:13:53.280 And that's how I guess they justify harassing people like Kavanaugh. There's also been across

00:13:59.620 the country. These pro-life pregnancy centers have been vandalized. They're spray painted with

00:14:05.380 phrases like if abortion isn't safe, neither are you. So that's intimidation. That's a threat.

00:14:11.280 Some of these centers have been destroyed. There have been arson attacks on these centers. These

00:14:16.700 centers are doing the very work that pro-choicers say that pro-lifers aren't doing and should be

00:14:22.360 doing, which is helping and providing for these women and these children even after the babies are

00:14:28.760 born. And I think part of this is because there seems to be an excuse for this from the current

00:14:36.040 administration and from the politicians at the top. It's not just justified, but it's also

00:14:40.660 kind of lionize. So I do want to play a clip from Jen Psaki. She's asked about the protesters who are

00:14:47.880 in front of Kavanaugh's house. She's asked, you know, what do you think about this? What does the

00:14:52.180 president think about this? And here's what she says. So I know that there's an outrage right now,

00:14:57.120 I guess, about protests that have been peaceful to date. And we certainly continue to encourage that

00:15:02.920 outside of judges' homes. And that's the president's position. All right. What do you think about that?

00:15:08.280 I mean, what do you think about her response there saying, yeah, we are encouraging these protests

00:15:12.800 outside of the justices' homes?

00:15:15.560 Well, it's against the law. So it seems like something the White House should know.

00:15:18.440 The other thing is there is a serious failure on, I would assume it's Roberts, who gets to decide

00:15:26.220 when these things are released. Like the second that this leaked, now holding it back is taunting

00:15:31.720 us. Everybody knows. I don't know if it's some sort of, we're going to keep the integrity of the

00:15:36.760 court and you're not going to intimidate us. So we didn't plan to do this until the middle of the end

00:15:40.360 of June. And so that's when we're going to do it. I don't buy that though, because what you're doing

00:15:43.960 unnecessarily is putting all of the conservative justices, nobody's trying to kill the liberal

00:15:51.060 justices. The conservative justices are the ones that are taking the brunt of this. And I mean,

00:15:56.940 Alito was taken to a, like a safe haven, whatever it was several weeks ago, because he was the one

00:16:02.540 that wrote it. Well, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch and Amy Coney Barrett, all of them are in danger at this

00:16:07.380 point. And so they're taunting us to some degree, which, which I think is silly. It's every Monday is when

00:16:11.960 we get it. And what the last three or four Mondays are be like, this might be the week

00:16:15.480 and it never is. And so we're waiting on that. I, I think it's a really bad move.

00:16:21.120 I also think, uh, Jen Psaki, who I know has moved on now, but should try to learn the law should try

00:16:27.340 to, um, you know, it's, everybody looks at, at president Trump and says he incited a riot January

00:16:34.320 6th. Right. He's the one who told, even though he said specifically, you should peacefully march down

00:16:40.160 to the Capitol. He didn't say break and enter. He said, and suddenly he incited a riot. So we

00:16:45.440 should play the game fairly either Trump and say that he incited worse than that. They say that he

00:16:49.220 incited an insurrection, a coup. So even worse than just inciting a riot. So let's play the game

00:16:55.600 fairly, right? Either he incited this insurrection. And so therefore Jen Psaki with these protests is

00:17:01.620 threatening the life of Brett Kavanaugh or neither one did anything. I would like to land on the side of

00:17:05.940 neither one did anything. Uh, I think again, you should follow the law and not, uh, not go forward

00:17:10.960 with telling people to protest. You're also, this, this tells you a little bit of the stupidity of

00:17:15.980 people's understanding. Like the court interprets the law, they don't make it. So if you don't like

00:17:20.860 the law, go protest in front of your legislature, don't do it in front of the Supreme court. Who's

00:17:25.020 who, again, it's not that the left follows these rules, but you're supposed to just read the law,

00:17:29.080 interpret it. If you don't like it, then go put it into law. Yeah. And this is, it goes back to

00:17:33.400 something that I say a lot about the left is that when they say democracy, they actually mean

00:17:38.520 authoritarianism that they like. And when they say authoritarian, what they mean is democracy that

00:17:43.060 they don't like. The words really don't have meaning to the left. And it makes sense when you

00:17:47.800 think about just like the philosophy that guides them, that there is no absolute truth, that language

00:17:52.640 is really about power, that it's something that you can decide on and you can bend to your will in

00:17:58.720 order to make the political and social changes that you want. We see that in so many ways,

00:18:02.760 but you also see it with these very big, powerful, impactful words like democracy and authoritarianism.

00:18:10.540 What they mean by democracy, their definition of democracy is mob rule. Like they actually believe

00:18:16.300 that it would be better if we have institutions that can be threatened and intimidated by violence

00:18:21.640 into doing whatever the left wants them to do than having neutral, apolitical institutions

00:18:27.000 that may come to conclusions that the left doesn't like. So again, their definition of democracy is

00:18:33.520 actually authoritarianism. It is actually mob rule. And then they wonder why people are scared to give

00:18:40.460 up their guns.

00:18:41.080 And they want to force you to give up the guns, right? It's like, you know, it's the, we're moving now,

00:18:46.660 actually a new Quinnipiac poll came out today. We're at an all time low for people who are willing to give

00:18:52.920 up their guns, AR-15 and such. We're an all time low. It's actually a good thing for us. We're moving towards

00:18:57.380 guns and not away from them as Americans. But they, what they've done is they've destabilized homes,

00:19:02.860 right? Starting in 1964, they incentivized fathers to not be in the house. They started paying mothers

00:19:08.140 what in today's dollars would be the equivalent of about $90,000. And they would do the infamous

00:19:13.100 man in the house checks, right? Back in the sixties, they would actually take feds and walk them through

00:19:18.960 the house of people that were getting these entitlements from the government to make sure

00:19:24.000 there was no man there in the house, or they would take these entitlements away. And so you've moved

00:19:29.260 the fathers out of the house, you've destabilized the homes. And then now you're telling kids,

00:19:34.200 you might be a girl, you might be a boy. You decide as a seven-year-old, how would I know what

00:19:38.520 you're feeling? So these kids are mentally ill. They're destabilized with no parents. And now what

00:19:42.940 you're trying to do is disarm them. So instead of giving them back their mental health that you've

00:19:47.280 stolen from them, the government is the one who's broken down these families and kids and their mental

00:19:51.420 health. Now you're trying to disarm them and let the government take care of you. The government

00:19:55.320 hasn't taken care of you so far. They're the ones that put you in this position. And now what you're

00:19:58.760 saying is, trust us, we'll take care of you with our guns.

00:20:05.300 Don't you just feel in everything? You talked about destabilization. I think that that is a

00:20:10.020 really good word to describe progressive policies and just kind of the state that we're in. I think

00:20:14.360 everyone left and right feels that, that it's unstable. Even if we don't agree on why we're

00:20:18.700 unstable, we obviously think it's because of what you just said, the breakdown of the family,

00:20:22.980 godlessness, the rejection of absolute truth and objective morality, a breakdown of our institutions,

00:20:30.780 all of that. The left doesn't necessarily think that those are the reasons why, but it seems like

00:20:36.480 everyone feels it, that we have irreconcilable differences, that there is no going back. We're

00:20:41.080 not going to go back to like post 9-11 America where we were all unified. I don't think that there's

00:20:45.880 anything that could happen, even if it was as terrible as 9-11, that would bring us together and

00:20:50.360 that we would finally say, you know what, we can come together, forget our differences, and remember

00:20:54.840 what unites us. So, I mean, what do you think the way forward? Is there a way forward? What is this

00:21:01.860 all going to look like? Because it's very demoralizing to think about how polarized we are

00:21:08.080 and the future of the country. I mean, it just looks really bleak.

00:21:13.540 Our only chance is a spiritual revival. I do believe that. We've been talking about that

00:21:17.640 a lot on fearless. I think our pastors have failed us so badly. So, I left my church during

00:21:23.920 the George Floyd stuff. Our pastor decided he wasn't going to tell us the truth. Okay, tell me

00:21:27.880 a little bit, because some people are still dealing with that. Tell me what it was that your pastor

00:21:32.620 started saying that you and your wife were like, eh, this is not the place for us. He just wouldn't

00:21:36.520 tell us the truth. The idea was, is that it's just another thing. We're not taking care of the

00:21:42.900 black people. This is just a, you guys need to understand what is happening. We've all got to

00:21:46.900 accept it. And if we want to embrace people and we got to love people. And so he went through the

00:21:50.780 whole idea and it was, it was much, there's actually far more to it than that with the

00:21:54.140 church, but that was sort of the... So, he kind of like affirmed the idea that

00:21:57.160 what happened to George Floyd was a symptom of systemic racism and of white people not loving

00:22:02.400 black Americans enough. Yes. And also a representation of all of the police. And it's actually a representation

00:22:08.140 of you because you support it, right? It was just fully untrue, not backed by anything more

00:22:14.060 than these singular incidents. And by the way, I mean, everybody in the church thought Derek Chauvin

00:22:18.320 needs to be charged with something. Yeah. Right. But so the problem is, is he broadened it to

00:22:23.840 everything. So we left. That's all, that's always the issue just to like pause because you make a

00:22:28.620 really good point is that whenever we have like these disagreements, when something like George

00:22:32.500 Floyd happens, everyone sees the video. We all say the same thing. We're like, that's awful. That's

00:22:37.560 terrible. And so we're all agreeing for a split second until it's typically people on the left,

00:22:43.940 they take it to a different place. Instead of just saying where we agree, hey, that's terrible.

00:22:48.580 We need to look into what happened. We need to possibly charge this person if he's found guilty,

00:22:52.660 just having like a rational discussion and an agreement about what is bad. It moves into, well,

00:22:58.880 this just shows you, this is what all police are like. Well, this just shows you, this is what all

00:23:02.700 white people are like. Well, this just shows you, this is what America is like. And then it becomes a

00:23:06.580 disagreement. And then it becomes, then we on the right feel like we have to be defensive because

00:23:11.440 now you're making claims that aren't necessarily backed by fact. And yet, and you know, this happened

00:23:17.160 to me a lot on Instagram, white woman, Instagram is like hell on earth. But during all this George

00:23:23.280 Floyd stuff, when I would try to correct the record on some of the statements that were being made

00:23:26.760 by the left is, well, you're not being empathetic. You're not being loving. This is not the time for

00:23:31.440 facts and data. This is not the time for fact checking. So actually you're just supposed to

00:23:36.540 allow the other side to lie and to delude people into something that's not true, that can actually

00:23:42.260 entrap them into false narratives that then change policy, like defund the police, which ends up

00:23:46.880 killing people. Apparently that's the empathetic thing to do. It's wild.

00:23:50.080 Yeah. Well, what is the, um, minimum time allotted before I can tell the truth, right? Somebody's got

00:23:56.800 to tell me like, I'll start my watch. You just got to tell me, does it need to be 15 hours? Does it

00:24:01.220 need to be a 200 hours? I need to know when I can start telling the truth because they don't actually

00:24:06.960 care about George Floyd. There is not one person on the left that actually cares about the life of

00:24:12.800 George Floyd. I promise you what they care about is using George Floyd to create a statue,

00:24:17.820 to get their policy in action. That's it. George Floyd was a career criminal that beat up his

00:24:23.960 pregnant girlfriend, right? Or threatened his pregnant girlfriend with a gun. We have like,

00:24:27.420 he was not a good person. Objectively, he was a bad person, but they're holding him up as somebody

00:24:32.580 who should be celebrated, right? It's like on the same day that, um, a couple of days later,

00:24:37.860 you saw the tweet from former president Obama. He puts him in the same tweet as the Uvalde kids that

00:24:43.920 were just murdered. 19 kids slaughtered. And he's like, and let's not forget about George Floyd.

00:24:48.060 So strange. So it's just, it is a reason to hold something up, completely discard them,

00:24:54.520 and then say, this is important because this is just more evidence that our policy is right and

00:24:59.100 your policy is wrong. And you need to give us more control. It's always about stripping rights,

00:25:02.800 never about giving them back. Yeah. And that's an, that's another point that it went to

00:25:07.260 where we just couldn't agree because you could all agree. Okay. What happened to George Floyd?

00:25:13.260 You could say that shouldn't have happened, or that was a bad situation, or that was like a

00:25:17.040 bad decision by the police, whatever. But then you take it to the point of not just what we just

00:25:21.500 talked about, about, you know, trying to indict all police or all white people, but also by saying,

00:25:27.120 well, George Floyd wasn't just a victim in this instance, but he was also a saint. Like he was also

00:25:32.620 someone that we need to worship. Then it gets to a weird place. And then when you bring up things

00:25:37.260 that you did, just the facts about his history, you're, wow, you're such a terrible person. You're

00:25:43.180 an awful person. But if you openly lie about someone like Kyle Rittenhouse and say that he murdered two

00:25:51.020 black people in cold blood, well, that's fine. You're just being compassionate. It's wild. Again,

00:25:56.280 I know I keep saying that, but like, it really is. I mean, it's just mind blowing when you think

00:26:00.320 about the duplicitousness of all of it. It is insanity. And so back to your original

00:26:05.000 question, we left that church and moved to a pastor in what was a, St. Louis is a pretty

00:26:11.760 segregated city. That's where I live now at St. Louis. And there are, there's sort of the

00:26:16.560 intersection of where the whites and the blacks live is this church that I go to. And he just

00:26:21.000 started telling the truth. He's like, BLM is a terrorist organization. I'm just telling you guys.

00:26:25.160 And he's saying it from the pulpit and he's going through every day now. I mean, he's,

00:26:28.340 Charlie Kirk came to the church and spoke, um, at night. I didn't have him as part of the service,

00:26:32.700 but he promoted on the service. He puts resource. He's played three fearless clips at the beginning

00:26:37.180 of service. I mean, he's all over it. Uh, and he started telling us the truth. He's one of the

00:26:41.180 few though. And so the point I've been making is that men, especially men, the church right now

00:26:46.840 is split. It's about, it's been this way for a while, but it's even worse now. The church is about

00:26:51.220 60% women, only 40% men. And that's because men cannot follow cowards. And our church,

00:26:57.900 our pastors have tiptoed around everything forever. And they had this idea of separation

00:27:02.960 of church and state as though separation of church and state was created to protect the

00:27:08.460 government from the church, right? Instead of the church from the government, who's getting

00:27:12.500 protected. It's the church. And so the pastors with all their 501 C three garbage, they're so afraid

00:27:18.220 of saying anything. They've backed away and become cowards. Well, men can't follow other

00:27:22.100 cowards. And that is a serious, serious problem. And so, um, your show fearless with Jason Whitlock,

00:27:29.740 Steve days, I think Christians are actually moving away from the church and moving into a space where

00:27:35.300 they're like, well, my pastor's not going to tell me how to deal with this crisis going on,

00:27:39.040 but Allie might. So I'm going to tune in and watch her. I actually think that's where we're going.

00:27:42.760 So our only hope of moving here is having enough people with the courage to speak up and,

00:27:47.520 and proudly speak Christian values into what is a cancerous society right now.

00:27:54.400 Yeah. I think that you're absolutely right about that. And it's not that people want their pastors

00:27:59.140 talking about politics in every single sermon or from the pulpit every Sunday. But as you said,

00:28:05.060 I do think that people are looking for pastors who will just tell the truth. Just be clear about

00:28:10.660 these subjects. Don't tiptoe around what you're talking about. If you want to talk about the definition

00:28:15.980 of marriage, according to the Bible, like if you want to talk about gender identity, just say it,

00:28:20.660 just say what the Bible says, because the Bible is very clear about that. I think a lot of Christians

00:28:25.480 think that by tiptoeing around subjects, that they're actually being more loving. And to me,

00:28:30.640 that's just idolatry because you're basically saying that you are more loving than God. You're more

00:28:35.360 loving than the Bible because of the Bible is clear about this, but you think the Bible is too harsh.

00:28:39.840 Then you're basically saying, well, I'm more compassionate than God is. Because if you think

00:28:44.820 that what Romans 1 says about depravity, about sin, about sexuality, about homosexuality is just

00:28:50.460 too harsh and unloving, then you're basically saying that God is unloving. And far be it from me

00:28:55.580 to call God, who is love, as 1 John 4, 8 says, unloving. I just think that Christians think that

00:29:01.480 we need to apologize for what the Bible says, caveat what the Bible says in order to reach people.

00:29:06.440 That's just backwards.

00:29:07.140 It's so funny you brought up the word depravity. I've used that word on Twitter a couple times

00:29:11.300 recently to describe largely, I think I was talking about the patch of compliance. I call it down in

00:29:19.820 Tampa Bay where you have to wear the pride. And the amount of people that came back and like,

00:29:23.220 I can't believe you use the word depravity. I'm like, take it up with me. Take it up with the Bible.

00:29:27.820 It's like, look, I'm not smart enough to tell you what's going on with all this stuff. I'm smart

00:29:32.480 enough to read the Bible and apply it. That's it. And so I'm like, you're going to have to

00:29:37.120 explain to me how when the Bible says that sexual immorality is a bad thing, particularly that

00:29:44.740 homosexuality is a bad thing. You have very poor outcomes. That's not moral corruption. And the

00:29:49.600 wickedness part of it isn't the celebration. You're going to have to explain to me how that

00:29:53.200 lines up with the Bible because it is Christians who are arguing with me about this. They're like,

00:29:56.420 you're losing your witness. I'm like, I'm the only witness out here. I'm the only one telling them

00:30:00.080 the truth. Yeah. And speaking of that story, because we haven't talked about it on the show

00:30:05.040 yet. So there were five, I believe, Tampa Bay players, baseball players who decided not to put

00:30:10.380 like the pride flag on pride flag patch on their uniform, which is silly. Like, why would you even

00:30:15.900 have that? It's like it has the has the trans flag on there and like the black and the brown. It's not

00:30:22.080 just like the rainbow flag is out. That's so like, you know, 2018. We've got a new flag now. And so these

00:30:28.580 players basically said, look, we're just not we're not going to wear this patch. It doesn't align with

00:30:33.260 our religious beliefs. And of course, they're getting some media attention for it. I say on

00:30:37.740 the one hand, great for them. I'm sure that was a difficult decision. They could have gone the easy

00:30:42.000 way and they could have said, well, you know, we're just going to do it. It's not that big of a deal.

00:30:45.740 It's not an endorsement. We're choosing to play for this team. And so we're just going to do it.

00:30:49.840 They could have gone the easy way and they decided to stand up and say no. At the same time,

00:30:53.480 I was reading the explanation from one of the players who was explaining his reasoning behind it.

00:30:57.360 And I felt that he felt that he had to bend over backwards to explain that. Well, no,

00:31:04.400 we love everyone. We accept everyone. We're welcoming everyone. Everyone is safe, which is

00:31:09.240 great. Like, yes, you should love everyone is made in the image of God. Everyone is equal value. But

00:31:14.600 it's sad to me that Christians and conservatives feel that they have to, again, add so many caveats and so

00:31:22.180 many explanations for what they believe, especially around the subject. Just stand firm on the word

00:31:27.340 of God. Be as clear as the Bible is about it. And then just let God take care of the rest. We don't

00:31:33.080 have to bend over backwards to make excuses for or to take God off the hook for what he says. I just

00:31:39.960 think that that is actually what damages our witness. Completely agree. And so I think that media and our

00:31:47.680 large corporations and the left-leaning everything is actually using and taking advantage of athletes.

00:31:53.180 Athletes are always afraid that they're going to lose their position. They're in a very high paying

00:31:57.380 job for a very short amount of time. So these guys have to do whatever it takes every day. And in order

00:32:02.220 to succeed in that world, all you can think about is your sport. How do I improve today to stay on this

00:32:07.060 team to make the money that I need to make right now? Because I know I'm not going to be here for very

00:32:10.340 long. So then they say, you need to wear these patches. And they're like, I just got to survive.

00:32:15.580 I just, so for those guys to step out is a really big deal. Cause most guys don't put any thought

00:32:19.840 into it. All they're trying to do is survive. And they intentionally take advantage of athletes who

00:32:23.980 again, former athlete, we're not that smart. So they take advantage of people that are not that

00:32:28.260 thoughtful. Oftentimes they're not known for their brains, but people still respect their opinions,

00:32:32.480 right? It's like, people are like, well, well, what did Tom Brady say about that? You know,

00:32:36.380 what did these same thing with actors? They're not necessarily people that are the most thoughtful

00:32:40.860 people in the world. So you put these patches on athletes and it is now an endorsement.

00:32:45.000 I would like an athlete. Um, I would have loved for a guy like Benjamin Watson, who I love very

00:32:50.100 extremely thoughtful, former tie-in for the Patriots. He's thoughtful. He has put some stuff

00:32:53.860 together, particularly about fatherhood, wrote a whole book about it, very thoughtful in those ways.

00:32:57.480 But I think he's one of the few thoughtful people. So generally, I think they hold athletes up and

00:33:01.000 take advantage of them. I would like an athlete to step forward and say, you're going to have to

00:33:05.260 explain to me why I should celebrate something that is in direct opposition to what my God teaches,

00:33:10.180 not just accept it, not just not come out and come against what these homosexuals are doing on our

00:33:18.140 team. There's not one person who's actually said, I don't want to play with this guy because of his

00:33:22.640 sexual behavior. You've not seen anybody attack anyone. You're going to have to explain to me

00:33:26.200 why I need to celebrate it. And they can't do that. Right. And so I think they're being used to some

00:33:31.620 degree because this just isn't where their head is. The other thing is, I think the left actually,

00:33:38.080 they're excited. They do this. They set it up. They're excited when somebody comes against them

00:33:44.000 because it gives them a pinata. Right. They get to beat the tar out of these five guys for the next

00:33:48.500 however many news cycles. And it's a warning to the next Christians. Don't do this because you're

00:33:54.460 going to be held out there. There's nobody else coming to your rescue. There's only a few shows like

00:33:58.160 this that will do it. And then what they are ultimately saying is, listen, we're totally fine

00:34:03.760 with your Christianity so long as you don't actually act out any of the beliefs that God

00:34:08.120 teaches. Yep. That's absolutely true. They are okay with Christianity as long as it's a Christianity

00:34:13.980 that agrees with secular progressivism. As long as you don't believe anything or say anything

00:34:19.540 that the Bible says is true. And as long as you check that belief system at the door, whenever you're

00:34:24.680 talking about politics, whenever you are baking a cake or arranging a flower arrangement, whatever

00:34:29.640 it is, then that's totally fine. They obviously, they don't apply that if you have progressive

00:34:34.620 politics. They will call it Christian nationalism. If I say, you know what? God gave us our rights. He

00:34:39.760 gave us first and foremost the right to life. And that is one reason why I don't believe it's okay

00:34:44.120 to kill a child inside the womb. That's Christian nationalism. That's scary. But if a progressive

00:34:48.920 professing Christian says, well, you know what? I'm in favor of socialism because look at this

00:34:53.700 account of the early church in Acts or because, you know, God says that we should care for the

00:34:58.300 foreigner in the Old Testament. Therefore, I believe that we should have open borders and liberal

00:35:02.120 border policy. That's okay. For that form of Christianity, that's okay because it's justifying

00:35:08.540 progressive politics. Of course, we could talk about why that's a wrong interpretation and application

00:35:12.640 of scripture. That apparently is not Christian nationalism. It's only Christian nationalism when

00:35:18.500 conservative Christians allow their faith to guide what they think about politics and culture

00:35:23.040 and their decision. But if you're a secularist, if you're a progressive in any way, you don't have

00:35:28.160 to check your worldview at the door. Not only can you allow it to influence what you think about

00:35:32.240 politics, but you have every right to impose your belief system on other people and force people to

00:35:39.940 believe and to act out what you do. And sorry, I know I'm on a ramp, but it just reminds me of what

00:35:44.720 the Biden administration is doing with the USDA. They are taking funding away from institutions like

00:35:51.200 public schools who use their school lunch program for poor students if those schools, if those entities

00:35:57.440 do not allow boys into girls' classrooms. So that is forcing basically a religious, pseudo-religious

00:36:03.780 belief system on everyone else and actually saying, we will freaking starve you if you don't agree with

00:36:09.680 us. But Christians, we're the ones that are not supposed to allow our worldview to influence our

00:36:14.820 decisions. Well, I always try to figure this out. When I first heard the term Christian nationalism,

00:36:18.860 I'm like, that's a pretty good description of me. I'm a Christian nationalist. I think that my

00:36:24.360 Christian values, everybody votes their values, whether or not you put Christian in front of it

00:36:27.720 or not, you should be voting your values or you probably shouldn't be voting, right? So you show

00:36:32.000 up at the ballot box and you say, I believe these things, these people reflect these things. And so I

00:36:36.820 want to go and vote based on what the Bible says. That's it. I think our country should be governed

00:36:42.240 based on good, wholesome values. And so it's just, we put Christian in front of nationalism as though

00:36:49.280 it's some bad thing. I don't think it's a bad thing. Yeah, I think it depends on what you mean

00:36:54.140 by that. I think that obviously it's good to be a Christian. I'm a Christian. And then I think that

00:36:58.320 there's nothing wrong with being a nationalist in the sense that true nationalism means putting the

00:37:03.460 interest and the well-being of your country first. And everyone seems to understand that when it

00:37:08.220 comes to, for example, Ukraine, it's okay for Ukraine to put their safety, their sovereignty,

00:37:12.540 their borders, their protection, the interest and the needs of their people first. And it's okay for

00:37:18.580 Zimbabwe to do that. It's okay for Nigeria to do that. It's not okay for some reason when America

00:37:24.220 says, you know what, we are going to put the interest, the well-being of our people before we

00:37:29.360 are going to prioritize the interests of Mexico or Guatemala or whatever it is. For some reason,

00:37:35.740 that's a scary form of nationalism and fascism and Nazism that we need to resist. But it's okay

00:37:42.780 when other countries do it, but not America. For some reason, it's bad. But I think what people,

00:37:48.840 I think one like bad form of so-called Christian nationalism, if you can even call it that,

00:37:54.240 I do think that some Christians have like this mistaken belief that America is modern day Israel,

00:38:00.420 that America is God's chosen country, that America is going to play a significant role in the

00:38:05.420 end times, that America is like the city on the hill. And I agree, that's wrong. That's not

00:38:11.540 biblically true. I mean, America is a great country in a lot of ways. I do think God has uniquely

00:38:15.500 bust America. But I do think it's wrong to elevate the United States to like this chosen country by God

00:38:22.480 that is going to herald God's kingdom. So yeah, it's a nuanced discussion about Christian nationalism.

00:38:28.140 Agreed. My point about Christian nationalism and why America has been so blessed is that we have

00:38:34.800 followed his values and principles that deliver those blessings.

00:38:39.360 In a lot of ways.

00:38:40.300 Yes. Obviously, we're not doing that today. But most of our, the history of our country,

00:38:45.500 we obviously have our sins and slavery. But as Royce White from Fearless always says,

00:38:49.440 it's a self-perfecting document. When you lay out these principles,

00:38:52.300 then you allow yourself time to fix them because you may, this is, this is the Frederick Douglass

00:38:57.300 idea, right? I want you, I'm going to force you to stand up to the values that you say this country

00:39:04.300 stands by. And so the self-perfecting document has allowed that. It is a, it is a nuanced discussion.

00:39:10.820 I just don't think, I think Christians have decided that we need to do what Obama did on a national

00:39:16.960 scale, go on an apology tour. I'm sorry. It's just my religion. Just don't, don't blame. It's just my

00:39:21.500 religion. I'm sorry. It's really not me. It's God. It's like, you're apologizing for God. Good luck

00:39:25.560 with that approach. Yeah, exactly. Or apologizing for other Christians, Christians who aren't quite

00:39:32.220 secular or progressive enough or who don't, you know, read the New York times. I think that's,

00:39:37.080 yeah, I think that's absolutely true. I want to talk about, well, there's a lot of things I want

00:39:46.480 to talk about. Well, okay. Let me circle back because this is going to kind of flow into what I want to

00:39:50.860 talk about next. So I do want to circle back to something that you said about, and people listening

00:39:56.000 are probably waiting for me to circle back to this. You said something that the left, there is no one

00:40:01.160 on the left who cares about the life of George Floyd. Now, I would agree that there are very few,

00:40:07.920 if any, Democrat politicians or people in the media or in the activist class who care about George

00:40:12.380 Floyd's life. I do think that there are people, individuals who are on the left who, and this can be

00:40:19.480 a blessing, but it can also be a curse. And that's what I want to talk about is that they are so

00:40:23.420 empathetic. They are so driven by emotions. They are so driven by what they see, who really,

00:40:29.100 really do care, who did care about George Floyd's life. They really care about injustice. They really

00:40:35.400 care about victimized people. They really care about what they see as oppression. I think that they

00:40:40.220 really do care about George Floyd. This is especially true for women. I think that their feelings are

00:40:45.220 sincere. The problem, in my estimation, is that they allow those feelings to override any conversations

00:40:54.380 about facts, any conversations about what policies actually work. I think that's why a lot of women

00:40:59.760 become progressive, because I do think that they start with good intentions. They start with real

00:41:05.080 compassion and real empathy. But rather than asking the question, well, what policies actually work?

00:41:11.020 What is the effect of these policies? They only ask, well, what's the intention of the policies?

00:41:16.640 What sounds good? What can I say and do that will offend the least number of people because I want to

00:41:24.480 be seen as empathetic? Empathy can be a good thing, but it can also be toxic because it precludes you,

00:41:31.680 it prevents you from seeing what is true, from seeing what is real. If the only thing that's guiding you

00:41:37.620 is your feelings, you are going to end up making very bad, very stupid decisions that lead to things

00:41:43.380 like we said, like defunding the police, because that's what the activists in the moment are telling

00:41:49.120 you that need to do. Well, that's led to murder. So is that empathetic? Is that compassionate? So to me,

00:41:53.680 that's the problem. It's not that no one cared about his life. It's that they allowed that sincere care

00:41:59.380 to inhibit them from seeing reality and true justice. Yeah. So to be more specific, I'm talking

00:42:06.720 about the ruling class, not the individuals on the street who may be feeling there. I don't think

00:42:12.620 there's one politician on the left who actually valued the life of George Floyd. I mean, that's

00:42:17.380 it too. I do not believe you're talking about them dressing in the like Ghanian garb and like

00:42:22.100 kneeling down Nancy Pelosi. You're saying that wasn't a sincere display of compassion. And I don't think

00:42:27.240 BLM who just bought their six million dollar mansion in California. I don't think they cared

00:42:30.860 about not the people at the top. No, I don't think so either. That's who I'm discussing. Yeah. And so

00:42:34.560 and I think you're right, because you can look at the polling of who supports BLM and see that there's

00:42:39.360 a huge spike in June of 2020, whatever it was. And so I do agree that's true. But the people on the

00:42:46.780 ground protesting aren't actually making any of the policy decisions. Yes. And so it is everybody else

00:42:53.180 who's trying to take advantage of it. And so and also the people on Chuck Schumer does not care.

00:42:58.120 Nancy Pelosi does not care. Joe Biden doesn't even know what's going on. He couldn't care if

00:43:01.580 he tried. Right. So that is that is what I mean, as far as that. To your point about empathy.

00:43:09.140 My position has been that I think overly empathetic women and cowardly men may be our biggest problem

00:43:14.340 this country today because it precludes us from telling the truth. Right. And so you try to to look at

00:43:18.980 the one person you could have just changed this one life. Yeah. But then a thousand people died

00:43:22.960 because of it. Do you know how many people got murdered because you defunded the police?

00:43:26.500 You save the one life. That person didn't get killed by the police. But how many lives do the

00:43:30.860 police save all the time? This is this is the gun discussion. Right. If you just take the weapons

00:43:35.120 from everybody, you could have saved that one school shooting. OK. But you realize that the entire

00:43:41.120 20th century is full of communist countries that stole the guns from their people. And you have a hundred

00:43:47.760 million deaths. Should we trade? I'm not. I'm not. It sounds bad, but I cannot trade the lives of 19

00:43:53.220 children for a hundred million deaths. It's a bad trade. Yeah, that's really tough. That's really

00:43:59.300 tough. And I think that is I think that is what empathy. I think that's how it guides you. It makes

00:44:08.180 you make bad calculations because you're not even really able to see the other side of the calculation.

00:44:15.840 And by the way, it that's not even like a real trade. That's not even a real calculation. That's

00:44:22.360 not even really what's happening because there is no correlation between the solutions that have been

00:44:28.860 put forward by Democrats in the form of gun control and what happened in Uvalde. None of the measures

00:44:35.100 that they have suggested so far would have actually saved the lives. I think all of us Second Amendment

00:44:40.420 advocates and people who are opposed to the Second Amendment alike, if we could find a solution

00:44:46.040 that would say, OK, how can we prevent all of the mass shootings and all of the gun crime,

00:44:53.000 so-called gun crime, from happening while not inhibiting the rights of law-abiding people

00:44:57.140 from being able to bear arms? We would all be on board.

00:45:01.120 Yes. Unfortunately, what's been put forward by the Democrats doesn't do that. It doesn't do any

00:45:07.520 of that. It actually inhibits the rights of law-abiding people while doing nothing to inhibit

00:45:12.180 crime. And let me just go over some of the points of the bill that was passed in the House. And I'll

00:45:17.180 get your reaction because, as you said, you're a gun guy. And so I just want to get your response to

00:45:21.800 this. H.R. 7910, it passed in the House yesterday. Ten Republicans voted yes on it, which is

00:45:28.080 interesting. It is a package of eight gun control bills that passed the House. So

00:45:33.060 it attempts to raise the age of purchase for certain semi-automatic centerfire rifles and

00:45:38.020 shotguns to 21 years old, stop gun trafficking and straw purchases, register all firearms for

00:45:44.040 tracing purposes, require safe storage such as locking guns in safes or with trigger locks when

00:45:48.880 kids are around, close the bump stock loophole, restrict magazine capacities to 15 rounds and use

00:45:55.460 burns buyback procedures for higher capacity mags. So I don't even know personally what all of that

00:46:03.100 means. Is there anything in that bill that you think is helpful or that would actually reduce

00:46:07.880 a gun crime? Because I would be open to talking about that, but I want to hear from you. Like,

00:46:11.700 is there anything that you see in this bill that's good?

00:46:14.980 No. The average age of a mass shooter, and that's defined, I think, as four or more deaths since

00:46:21.400 1960, the average age is 33. The guy in Las Vegas who took out everybody at the concert was like 64

00:46:26.080 years old. And these are, we're talking about only AR-15s because nobody is telling you, you can't

00:46:31.180 own a handgun. Virginia Tech, I think, killed 33 people with some handguns. Right? It's like, so

00:46:36.980 if you know anything about guns, they're talking about taking it from right now, the average magazine

00:46:43.860 for an AR-15 will hold 30 bullets, right? You can get them for 40, you can probably get them for 50.

00:46:47.880 But these people, 77% of the guns that are used by criminals were either stolen or straw purchase,

00:46:59.280 right? And so that means somebody else, they wouldn't have, they obtained them illegally is

00:47:03.180 the point, right? So they're going to get guns that they want. They can do, there's so many magazines

00:47:07.000 that I've got probably 50 magazines that have 30 or more bullets to hold in my AR-15. And so the other

00:47:13.720 thing about that is when you're shooting, if you know what you're doing, and I'm not saying all

00:47:18.420 these guys do, but a lot of them do, when you're shooting, you have no idea how fast I can change

00:47:23.200 that magazine. If you've ever watched someone who's skilled with a gun, the only stop that you

00:47:29.220 would hear, you would, it happens so fast, you'd think they were just aiming somewhere else,

00:47:33.740 right? Drop it out, pop it right back in, and you're right back to shooting. So the bump stock

00:47:37.700 thing, Trump was, you know, for that when he was in office. If you've seen that, it does shoot faster,

00:47:43.040 but also it's way less accurate because it sprays all over the place. So there has been no,

00:47:49.540 so far as waiting periods, there's been no evidence, Politico even came out and says there's no

00:47:53.320 evidence whatsoever that says a waiting period has stopped any killings anywhere. It's just like

00:47:58.800 if somebody's got to wait 48 hours, they'll just plan ahead and wait 48 hours to go on their

00:48:02.380 shooting spree. So there's nothing, what the problem is, this is my big issue with politicians that I

00:48:07.140 can't stand. They say we have to do something. So they just do something. And all it does is punish

00:48:12.220 the rest of us that are abiding by the law. The people who are not going to abide by the law are

00:48:15.580 still not going to abide by the law that you're saying now. Is it a huge issue right now that kids

00:48:20.480 are stealing their parents' guns and shooting themselves? Because otherwise, what are they

00:48:25.760 discussing and who's going to come in and check whether or not you have your ammunition locked up

00:48:30.400 separately inside your house from your guns? You know, most of this is very intrusive. Most gun owners do

00:48:36.960 all this stuff. My ammunition is not stored outside of a safe with my guns. If you are a responsible

00:48:42.480 gun owner, you're already following the things that they're talking about. So the more restrictions

00:48:46.360 you put on them only restricts me who's paying attention. It doesn't restrict these other people

00:48:51.120 that are obtaining their guns illegally and going on shooting sprees. Yeah. I don't know if maybe

00:48:55.540 they're thinking that by requiring certain locks and safeguards on guns when kids are around,

00:49:01.180 that would reduce the ability of a minor in their parents' house to go steal a gun

00:49:05.500 and then go, I don't know, shoot up a school or to kill someone or to kill themselves.

00:49:11.420 So do you think, I mean, do you think that there is, and this is a sincere question that I don't

00:49:15.580 know the answer to because I'm sympathetic to the conversations that are being had around this,

00:49:21.080 even though I am a Second Amendment advocate and I'm more sympathetic to the arguments that you are

00:49:26.940 making in the gun control advocates. But is like, is there anything, is there anything

00:49:32.500 that should be done legislatively that you think would be effective in preventing the mass shootings

00:49:40.960 that we have seen recently? Like, is there anything do you think that should be done on the federal or

00:49:46.280 state level? Stop decentifying men in the house. I mean, that's the number one thing. Going back to

00:49:52.740 1964 again, I think, I can't cite the study, but the study that I saw said about 75% of mass shooters

00:49:59.900 didn't have a dad in the home, right? And so they are destabilized families that are going out and

00:50:05.340 coming. It's again, it's not like everybody who doesn't have a dad in a home is going out and

00:50:09.160 doing crazy things. But if you are people who are already the fringe people who, who could have the

00:50:15.220 potential to do this, and then you take away the dad and then the mom has to play dad, right? And go

00:50:20.660 out and work several jobs and stuff. So if you have nobody in the home and they're sitting on social

00:50:24.700 media all day long, in the QAnon chats, and you know, it's like, the amount of things you can get

00:50:31.320 into is really, really bad. And so legislatively, I would aim towards getting the family back together.

00:50:38.780 Truly, I think that is our biggest issue facing us. If you could get families back together,

00:50:43.560 get mom, dad, kid, the way it should be, get them off of government subsidies and things,

00:50:47.340 then I think these things, much of them would take care of themselves. So far as actual gun laws and

00:50:53.620 things, the one thing that people talk about that I think conservatives are somewhat open to hearing

00:50:59.160 is these red flag laws. Yeah. You're going to have to find a different way to do it, right?

00:51:04.880 So red flag law is basically saying, look, this person has red flags on their record or in their

00:51:09.380 background, they shouldn't be able to own a gun. No, it is this guy's acting weird. Check out these

00:51:16.100 social media posts and things like that. Because otherwise, they wouldn't pass a background check,

00:51:19.180 right? If they had these red flags, it's like, everybody thinks there's no background checks.

00:51:23.160 Like this, this 18 year old in Uvalde went and passed background checks to get his guns.

00:51:27.220 Which, yeah, I do just want to pause there. Because if we're talking about what can be done

00:51:31.240 with the law, like we should probably be enforcing the law. Unfortunately, these like liberal DAs that

00:51:36.580 don't believe in enforcing the law and don't believe in punishing people for breaking the law,

00:51:40.600 like it is against the law for this kid to have shot people with BB guns. And the animal cruelty that

00:51:45.480 he had documented on social media, that should have, that should have prevented him,

00:51:50.420 I think, from being able to own a gun, right? I mean, I know that you want to be careful about

00:51:56.700 that kind of stuff. But animal cruelty, cruelty towards people, the self-harm that he had,

00:52:01.880 that he had shown, that he had demonstrated, that his friends had documented. I think that

00:52:06.740 that is part of the problem, that we don't have a great way of documenting those things. We don't

00:52:10.760 have a great way of helping people who have mental health problems. Like, I don't think he should

00:52:15.100 have been just like thrown into prison for all of those things. But shouldn't there have been

00:52:19.000 some kind of system or institution in place that would have shown, okay, this guy, he's a troubled

00:52:24.020 guy. He has threatened people with violence. He is, he is isolated. He has threatened women with

00:52:29.300 rape. He has harmed himself. He has harmed animals. He has harmed people in a non-fatal way. This guy

00:52:34.920 probably shouldn't be able to go to a gun store and buy two AR-15s. I just don't know what exactly that

00:52:41.660 system looks like. But like, I want it in place, don't we all?

00:52:45.100 Yeah. So that's why I think some conservatives are sympathetic to the red flag laws. And the red

00:52:50.760 flag law would be, I say, hey, this guy, I'm going to show you some of these social media posts that

00:52:55.440 he's actually threatened to shoot up a school at some point. He's done some of these things. We

00:52:59.840 need to take a look at these things. The problem is, is that anybody then could do that. And the way

00:53:04.660 it's set up right now is they, for two weeks, can confiscate all your guns. So there's no due process.

00:53:09.660 Right. And so it's like, you could just do this forever and say, he told me this and this. Well,

00:53:13.920 you don't need any reason. Just take his guns.

00:53:15.700 And like, who is deciding what's the definition of a red flag? Is it just that someone said that

00:53:20.060 he's angry about, you know, a liberal policy? Is it just because you don't like someone's politics?

00:53:24.860 And so you call them crazy or unstable because of that, or you have a vendetta against someone.

00:53:30.500 And so then the government is able to, you know, infringe upon your second amendment rights

00:53:36.660 because someone doesn't like something that you said on social media.

00:53:40.100 Or somebody wants to attack you. So they need to make sure that you don't have your guns while

00:53:43.040 they're coming to attack you. Right. So you can get them confiscated for two weeks and you're fully

00:53:46.820 unarmed and they know it. Right. So there's, that's why there's like always and forever. I will lean

00:53:52.080 towards more guns. America does not need less guns. It needs more guns. Because if there were teachers

00:53:56.660 inside of Uvalde that were trained, I don't want to just start handing out guns to all the teachers,

00:54:01.580 but the teachers that are willing to be trained and go get licenses and understand what to do in

00:54:07.020 these procedures. If any of the teachers inside that building had a gun, it would have been a

00:54:11.600 different story. I'm good friends with the Navy SEAL. He's like, do you know how many special forces

00:54:16.260 guys are just looking for meaning and something to do? Because we were overseas doing crazy things.

00:54:22.180 And we come back here and we're like, am I really going to work as an accountant? Right. You could go

00:54:25.840 protect a school and that's worthwhile. And so that Joe Biden came out last week or two weeks ago and

00:54:31.440 said he's against hardening schools. Right. Well, why? Yeah. If we're talking about doing some

00:54:36.100 things, I'm always going to lean away from taking guns and lean towards more guns that can protect

00:54:41.520 from the crazy people. There are 393 million guns in circulation right now. Yeah. You're not getting

00:54:46.320 them. More guns than people. Yes. And, and, you know, everybody says, well, Australia did it.

00:54:50.720 Australia compensated 650,000 guns. We have 393 million, 20 million of which are AR-15s. Yeah.

00:54:57.520 You're not taking them. So Australia didn't even get all the guns when they confiscated and a lot

00:55:02.480 of people. So, and I do understand this is a little bit of a confounding fact is that we are America is

00:55:10.820 unique in these types of shootings. That doesn't mean that other developed countries don't have

00:55:14.800 murder with other kinds of weapons because they do. And people say, well, it's just because of the

00:55:19.940 number of guns that you have. It's because of the lax gun laws that you have. That's why you have

00:55:23.600 these particular murders in other countries don't quite as much. But I actually think that there are

00:55:28.460 a lot more, there are many more factors that contribute to that. Because as you mentioned,

00:55:33.280 America has always had a lot of guns. We've had a lot of guns, a lot of gun ownership. I was

00:55:39.700 listening to a pastor talk about when he was young in high school. I mean, there was just, it was like

00:55:45.560 avid gun culture. People would have their guns like in their dashboards. Everyone would talk about

00:55:50.380 their guns. You'd go out and lunch at lunch and like look at each other's guns. And there

00:55:53.740 weren't mass shootings. Like this isn't something that was happening when he was growing up. So

00:55:59.440 obviously something else has changed. It's not the gun ownership. America has always had a lot of guns.

00:56:05.200 It's not the kind of gun. And AR-15 has been around since the 1960s. So we do have to look at these

00:56:10.880 cultural, these moral issues. We do have to look at other policies that protect these kinds of schools.

00:56:17.320 Why do we want schools to be soft targets? If we make sure that we harden concerts and we,

00:56:23.100 you know, harden the halls of Congress. Yeah, exactly. And celebrities and award shows.

00:56:29.480 If all of those people, you know, football games, if all of those events and people

00:56:34.320 and buildings are worth protecting, like if we're not even, we're not having a conversation when it

00:56:40.300 comes to like if we should have security at football games or if we should pass some gun laws.

00:56:45.660 We're not having that debate. Why are we having a debate when it comes to whether or not we should

00:56:51.200 secure schools? That's just, I mean, if we really care about these kids, we should be having reasonable

00:56:57.500 conversations. And that's how you know that the dialogue is really so dishonest as the media is

00:57:02.620 spinning it at least that the person who says, hey, you know, I think we should have more security

00:57:06.780 at schools. I think that we should look at these solutions that don't include gun confiscation because

00:57:11.060 it's not going to happen. You're laughed at. You're told that you don't care about these kids.

00:57:16.440 But the person who presents a totally illogical solution that we should just confiscate all guns,

00:57:21.580 that person is praised as having compassion, even though their solution is never going to work.

00:57:26.180 That's exactly correct. And it's it is I will I will not go as far to say what I said about George

00:57:31.580 Floyd, because I do think Congress does care about the kids, but they're still using the kids as

00:57:35.500 emotional manipulation. They know that if kids are killed, then that's going to hit the heartstrings

00:57:40.280 of all of us. And so they should hit the heartstrings. But you do you question the sincerity

00:57:47.280 of someone when they exploit a situation like that to present legislation that actually has no

00:57:53.620 connection. Well, and then you have the the congressman from New York who came out and said,

00:57:59.380 we're doing this. And if we got to pack the court, we're doing this. And if we have to what do you

00:58:03.940 say, get rid of the filibuster, we're doing it. So it's like, okay, so all the laws go out the

00:58:08.420 window. So because you have feelings. Is that what I'm getting at here? Here's the other thing.

00:58:13.080 And you said the AR-15s because this is really what they're attacking. There aren't they aren't

00:58:16.500 putting law. I don't think any of those laws really outside of the waiting period was for

00:58:20.000 pistols. The 15 round magazine. I mean, that applies to a lot of guns, right? That applies to most guns

00:58:27.040 that people have, including handguns, right? Occasionally, most of mine are 12.

00:58:33.040 So a handgun, you know, just a regular pistol that you have on your, on your hip, probably no more

00:58:38.300 than 16. So maybe you drop it by one, but that's most of the time you're going to have somewhere in

00:58:43.460 the 10 to 12 to 15 range in a pistol. And so it's that that is more for the AR-15 or do certain types

00:58:49.300 of rifles. But pistols. So if you go look at the murders every year, these are the 2020 stats last

00:58:57.020 I saw available. There are over 8,000, I think there's 8,029 murders with pistols. Do you know

00:59:03.660 how many were from all rifles? Every single one, including shotguns, including like 400 or something,

00:59:09.460 455. So it's like 95% of them are happening from pistols, but you're really mad about these AR-15s

00:59:15.600 because it's emotional because they look scary. Yeah. And so I don't make laws on being afraid. I don't

00:59:21.360 think operating out of fear is a good way to go. And what it, what it's doing is because our AR-15s,

00:59:26.920 if you're going to protect, I'll give you an example. My wife is, uh, she wouldn't like me to

00:59:31.860 say her weight on the air. So she is a small, petite, um, not, she's, you know, fit and stuff,

00:59:38.960 but it's like, she doesn't like handguns because it about kicks out of her hand. So we got her an AR-15

00:59:43.240 so that if anything ever happens, she can put it against her chest and protect herself.

00:59:46.740 And so it, I would make the argument that this is more of an attack on women than it is on men.

00:59:51.700 I can hold two handguns at once and be fine. And for a lot of women, the kick is too much. They

00:59:56.620 can't aim. They're already shaking. They're already afraid and they're stuck. And so not only are you

01:00:01.560 going to put them in a position with a gun that's harder for them to handle, you're going to give

01:00:04.560 them less shots to do it. Yeah. I, I also think, I always think gun control is an attack on poor

01:00:09.840 people as well, because one of the suggestions that I saw is like in a thousand percent tax or something

01:00:14.260 on AR-15s. Okay. So all the rich people will be able to keep their AR-15s and the poor people

01:00:19.820 won't. And I actually saw an op-ed in the Washington Post talking about that a few years ago saying

01:00:24.400 gun control measures cannot be specifically targeted at poor people who tend to live in

01:00:30.240 higher crime areas and need to be able to protect themselves more than people who will

01:00:34.060 be able to afford to own the guns. If you put these kinds of regulations, um, on the guns. And so

01:00:39.740 this is just another topic that I feel like we are never going to be able to come together on

01:00:45.240 because we have two, the right and the left have such diametrically opposed views to not only guns,

01:00:51.040 but also like what a right is and what liberty looks like and what our priorities are. And there's

01:00:57.640 so much emotional propaganda around it. It's really hard to have any sort of logical conversation.

01:01:02.880 One thing the left does is any law that's made, they say it's going to disproportionately affect

01:01:08.960 women and people of color. That's what this gun thing does. Gun control, anything. So it's like,

01:01:14.700 okay, um, black men in America, six, 6% of the population are responsible for over 50% of the

01:01:20.220 murders. 93% of black people are killed by other black people. They're only a total of 13% of the

01:01:27.040 population. Right. And so a lot of numbers there, but bottom line is they're being killed at a rate

01:01:31.440 way beyond what their population would say they should be killed. So wouldn't you want to arm

01:01:37.420 the black population? Instead of this, we had, we had Maj Tori on fearless and he's like, do you know

01:01:42.080 that in, um, since 1990, 90% of these mass shootings have been done in gun-free zones? Like who's

01:01:49.860 following the law? A million times per year, people use guns to defend themselves. And these aren't in

01:01:54.420 the stats because they, uh, these aren't fatal shootings. Right. But people use their guns a million

01:02:00.460 times. Well, you don't even always have to fire a shot. That's something that's not included in the

01:02:04.180 stats. You wield your gun. If someone is attacking your life or threatening your life or the life of

01:02:09.000 your family. I mean, that's not necessarily going to be recorded anywhere. We don't even know how many

01:02:14.320 times that happens in a day or just someone saying, Hey, I'm armed. Don't mess with me. Like that's never

01:02:20.420 going to be added to the statistics that we have, but you just don't know. We don't even know. We can't

01:02:26.460 even quantify what being able to defend yourself does, especially for women.

01:02:33.560 The, uh, there was a guy in the Washington post yesterday who wrote a story about how

01:02:37.520 black people really just need to flee America because of the crazy white people who are trying

01:02:41.980 to hunt them down. Um, so I went and looked at the stats of black gun ownership. 24% of black people

01:02:48.560 own a gun. I think it's 36% of white people. That's a pretty good clip. That's probably 10 million

01:02:52.920 people. Right. It's like they got, there's 40 million or so black people in America. And in,

01:02:56.480 and these were the 2018 stats, I think it was Pew research center that did that study in 2020 based

01:03:02.880 on, um, I think background checks after the George Floyd stuff. And the police just hands off. We're

01:03:09.660 going to let the riots burn our cities down. Black gun ownership increased by 58%. And so it's like,

01:03:16.360 they see that I'm going to need some guns. One, if the police aren't going to do their jobs,

01:03:20.700 but two, if things are going to get crazy in my neighborhoods, this is my best method of protecting

01:03:25.260 myself. And so I just don't, you know, everybody acts like, Oh, this is a white man issue and

01:03:29.620 everybody else is for this. I don't see it that way. I actually think that the white men who like

01:03:34.400 me, who are saying we need more guns are trying to help protect the alley best duckies of the world

01:03:38.840 and the black people in America who black people are in the areas in the inner cities where a lot of

01:03:44.000 these shootings happen predominantly. Should we not arm them and try to make sure that they can

01:03:48.600 protect themselves? Yeah. That's what the left always does for any issue for in, you know,

01:03:53.020 Delano Squires who, he also talks about this a lot like that. Oh, gun control is racist. School

01:03:59.000 choice is racist. Anti LGBTQ is racist. Like anything that the left doesn't like, they paint as like a

01:04:06.940 white supremacist issue to try to make it toxic. So people don't want to touch it. People don't want

01:04:11.940 to attach themselves to it. They know that racism is accusations of racism. It's just like the hot

01:04:19.280 topic in America. And it's the thing that no one wants to be seen as. So if you call anything racist,

01:04:24.700 there are enough people, a lot of people don't care. They're like, well, whatever, you're going

01:04:28.120 to call everyone that. But a lot of people do. A lot of people, especially suburban women, they don't

01:04:31.860 want to be called that. So if you're telling me that school choice is racist or gun control or

01:04:36.760 anti gun control is racist, okay, then fine, then I'm not going to, you know, associate myself with

01:04:43.300 that, which kind of goes back to that whole like toxic empathy piece that can really manipulate

01:04:47.940 people's minds. They just allow themselves to be morally extorted so easily and manipulated by

01:04:53.340 emotional propaganda rather than just asking some questions like, is this actually true? I saw to

01:04:59.140 your point, like I saw this YouGov poll was a couple years ago and all the George Floyd riots were

01:05:03.140 happening that showed that 80% of black Americans want the police presence in their area to stay the

01:05:10.200 same or increase. A very small percentage of black Americans actually wanted any kind of defunding

01:05:15.580 or even any decrease of the police at all. And so when people say, well, you need to listen and learn

01:05:20.920 from black voices, it's just white people who want police. I'm like, well, what black voices are you

01:05:25.220 listening to? Is it the Ibra Max Kindys? Is it the Patrice Kohlers of the world who live in predominantly

01:05:30.540 white, rich, gated communities who are, you know, making tens of thousands of dollars an hour who

01:05:37.180 are capitalists who say that they love socialism? What voices are you listening to? Because they accuse

01:05:42.820 us of only listening to the black voices that agree with us by listening to people like Thomas

01:05:46.600 Soule or Jason Whitlock. But I'm like, well, maybe it's the opposite. Maybe you white liberals are

01:05:52.040 really only listening to black people who agree with you. Maybe we on the conservative side are more

01:05:57.640 in tune to what a lot of the working class and poor and poor black Americans are saying about the

01:06:03.120 safety and the security that they feel like they need in their communities. And that's Whitlock's

01:06:08.000 contention. He does a great job talking about how the left cares very little or nothing about the

01:06:14.660 black community. They care about using them because white people don't want to be called racist.

01:06:18.160 And so it's like the most religious, the most Christian single group in America is black people.

01:06:26.780 Like they, if you look at all the polling, they're the most religious amongst us still. As white people

01:06:31.080 are leaving the church, there are still like, so, and the biblical values line up far more with the

01:06:37.180 conservative side than the liberal side. And they will go against that because of the emotions of it and

01:06:42.840 say, oh, we got your back. We'll take care of you. We'll, you know, we'll give you the money. The dad's not

01:06:46.780 around. We'll give, we'll give you some extra entitlements. We'll get you figured out. And so,

01:06:50.080 and now they have, they have, this was Whitlock's point yesterday, decided that we're going to just

01:06:55.360 put all of the oppressed groups together. And so black people are going to partner with women who

01:06:59.240 are going to partner with the LGBTQ community. It's like, nobody has an identity. It's, there is

01:07:05.020 some irony in groups that are saying we individually have always been oppressed and you need to respect us

01:07:10.780 that are so willing to be grouped in with a bunch of other people and lose that identity.

01:07:15.020 Yep. And, you know, we have to close out, but you're reminding me of this clip that I

01:07:18.980 wanted to play from The View, Joy Behar, who is, you know, our intellectual exemplar. She is a

01:07:25.940 brilliant, brilliant cultural commentator. And so she has a stunning observation on The View about a lot

01:07:32.120 of what we're talking about right now. Here's what she said.

01:07:34.600 Most AR-15 owners are former military, 35 plus and married. So that's all I'm saying is that they're not

01:07:39.820 crazy people. Okay. Here's the thing. Once black people get guns in this country, the gun laws will

01:07:44.060 change. Trust me. What? Oh, so black people don't own guns in this country. And then she got a huge

01:07:50.540 applause for that, right? Yeah. It's like, do they handpick these people? Not that The View's got a

01:07:54.560 huge audience, but yeah, it is a, it is an insult that when people say that, it tells you what they

01:08:02.340 think of black people. Because it's like, people like me who have been paying attention are very happy

01:08:06.540 that there was a 58% surge in black gun ownership into 2020, because I think they need some protection.

01:08:12.280 And that would be very good for them to have that protection. That's a good thing. I've been aware

01:08:16.060 of that. Joy, obviously not aware that 24% of black people already own guns, and we would all like that

01:08:20.740 to increase. Yeah. We want responsible gun ownership across the board. Also, like, it just shows how people

01:08:27.080 don't pay attention to what you were talking about earlier about murder rates. Unfortunately, black men are

01:08:31.980 disproportionately likely to be victims of murder. It's, I believe, you know, black men make up about

01:08:38.160 8% of the population and yet commit about 40% of all homicides, which means that they are

01:08:42.540 disproportionately victims of those homicides and violent crime. And so that's something that's

01:08:47.220 already happening, has been happening for a very long time. Obviously, Joy Behar doesn't know about

01:08:52.720 that. Black gun ownership is not, there's not a deficit of it. Like, we're not worried about that

01:08:59.460 one day happening. And so we'll change the gun laws. Again, trying to make this into like some

01:09:04.000 kind of white supremacist thing, it just doesn't make any sense. And it hurts our cultural dialogue.

01:09:08.760 And it inhibits our ability to actually come together and like do anything, not just about

01:09:13.340 guns, but anything in general. All right, we can talk about a million more things. Can you tell

01:09:18.600 everyone, if you want to end on a final message, you can, or just tell everyone where they can find

01:09:23.160 you, how they can support you, all that good stuff. Final message is a, is a thank you to you.

01:09:29.060 One for having me, but two for my wife and my circle loves you. Because as your show name would

01:09:35.820 suggest, women like to hear from other women and they love feeling like they are not the only

01:09:41.720 Christian conservative woman out there. And they don't need to be afraid of speaking their mind

01:09:46.720 because there's somebody doing it on a big stage and they're taking the bullets for them. So there's

01:09:49.960 my thank you to you. You're very popular in my circle. I don't matter. You can follow me on

01:09:54.900 Twitter if you want at TJMo28. I don't care too much about that stuff.

01:09:57.460 You've got a lot of good things to say. So yeah, follow you on Twitter. You can see him

01:10:02.000 on Jason Whitlock's show, Fearless, probably every week. You're probably on there every week.

01:10:07.760 Awesome. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. I really appreciate it.

01:10:11.480 Thank you.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 09, 2022

Ep 627 ｜ Pro-Abortion Terrorism, Gun Control Bills & the Fatherlessness Problem ｜ Guest： T.J. Moe

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