Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 630 ｜ January 6th： The Scary, Secret Truth ｜ Guest： Julie Kelly

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Wednesday. This episode, as all episodes, is brought to you

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00:00:10.800 goodranchers.com slash Allie. Okay, guys, today, as promised, we are talking to Julie Kelly. She

00:00:26.280 is a reporter at American Greatness. She has been reporting on January 6th, really since January 6th,

00:00:33.800 2021. And she has been one of the only voices that is trying to uncover what really happened that day

00:00:41.700 and the Justice Department's response that she will demonstrate today, she will argue today,

00:00:48.140 has been anything but just. So I just finished having the conversation, guys, and I am so

00:00:55.520 incensed. I mean, I just have a pit in my stomach about everything that's going on. I've known

00:01:00.400 a little bit from following her, but man, she is going to reveal some information about what happened

00:01:06.100 that day that I did not know. What she suspects really instigated what happened that day, which

00:01:12.180 I just didn't realize some of the things that she put forth. And then also, what the people who have

00:01:20.000 been involved in January 6th have gone through for the past year and a half. And guys, here's why we

00:01:26.460 have to care about this. And we'll talk about this in our conversation. No matter where you land on the

00:01:31.400 political aisle, no matter what you think happened that day, whether you think it was something that

00:01:35.560 just got out of hand, you know, it started out peacefully, and then some people went crazy, some

00:01:41.360 people were peaceful, or whether you believe what the mainstream media says about it being a coup

00:01:45.920 attempt a violent insurrection that was provoked by Donald Trump. Whatever you think about that,

00:01:51.640 can we just agree that justice should be impartial? That we don't want the Justice Department going

00:01:58.080 after people because of their political affiliation? Can we all agree that we should be a country that

00:02:04.880 upholds someone's due process rights, no matter their ideology, no matter what they think about the

00:02:10.700 integrity or the lack of integrity of an election? Like, shouldn't we just agree on that? Shouldn't

00:02:17.260 we agree that justice should be proportionate to the crime that's committed? Shouldn't we agree that

00:02:23.400 maybe some people that didn't even commit any kind of violent crime on January 6th shouldn't serve a

00:02:29.140 longer time in prison than people who say murdered a child? Because that's what's going on. What we are

00:02:35.620 seeing inflicted on the people who are involved in January 6th is disproportionate vengeance against

00:02:44.840 American citizens because of their political affiliation. Look, I'm saying this, you'll hear

00:02:49.800 me say this with Julie, I am saying this as someone who, when I saw footage of what was going on on

00:02:54.400 January 6th, 2021, I sobbed. And some of you who, maybe that wasn't your reaction, maybe you think that

00:03:01.740 that's dramatic. But it was really hard for me to see that. It was really hard for me to see

00:03:08.840 that kind of aggression. I mean, it really just seemed like everything was crumbling in that moment.

00:03:15.380 I was saddened. I was frightened. I was heartbroken by what I saw happening in some cases on January 6th.

00:03:23.860 So you are not hearing this conversation from someone who was trying to minimize what happened that day,

00:03:31.060 or someone who was condoning violence at all, or someone who is trying to condone or minimize

00:03:38.420 anyone who was trying to overturn an election. That's not what this is about. Okay, you are hearing

00:03:44.300 from, you are hearing this from someone who, who is very clear eyed, and very, I think, even handed

00:03:54.260 about what is going on. And recognizes that how the people, especially the nonviolent people who

00:04:01.300 are involved in January 6th, how they're being treated is unjust and says something really,

00:04:08.620 really scary about the state of our country. I think every single person, no matter what side of

00:04:14.920 the aisle you're on, should care about this, that we do not have a just justice system in this country.

00:04:21.500 And Julie Kelly has been one of the only, not the only, but one of the only people who has been

00:04:27.480 sounding the alarm about this, who she, you will not hear her either condone violence or say that

00:04:33.860 no one should have been prosecuted that day. That's not what this is about. This is about believing in

00:04:38.620 justice. This is about believing in someone's due process rights. As Christians, as we've talked about

00:04:43.980 many times, there are four characteristics to biblical justice. It has to be truthful. So it has to be

00:04:49.300 based on facts that happen, not just something that you feel, not someone's political status or

00:04:56.420 socioeconomic status. It actually needs to be truthful. The facts of the case, evidence has to

00:05:02.040 be presented, and there need to be witnesses to be able to substantiate the allegation against someone

00:05:07.540 in a court of law. It needs to be, the punishment needs to be proportionate. So it needs to, the punishment

00:05:13.860 needs to fit the crime. It also needs to be direct. So punishing people who are actually involved in

00:05:20.460 committing the crime, and not people who were associated with someone who committed the crime,

00:05:26.900 not the parents of someone who committed the crime, not the friend of someone who committed the crime,

00:05:30.980 but someone who actually committed the crime. So it has to be truthful, has to be proportionate,

00:05:35.440 it has to be direct. And then according to scripture, and what we see in God's law giving to Israel

00:05:40.240 throughout Leviticus in particular, it also has to be impartial. So that is something that God

00:05:47.300 emphasizes over and over again, that the justice process has to be impartial. So you don't show

00:05:55.880 partiality to the person with a lot of power and a lot of money. You don't show partiality towards the

00:06:00.320 person who you see as marginalized or who you see as poor. You have to speak the truth about your

00:06:05.320 neighbor. And actually, someone who testified, who gave false testimony against a person who was

00:06:11.780 accused, if it is found out that that person gave a false account, a false testimony against the accused,

00:06:19.960 that person has to receive the punishment that would have been inflicted on the person who was

00:06:26.580 accused. So a false accuser also was punished in the Old Testament. And that is, whether you're a

00:06:34.320 Christian or not, that is what our justice system is supposed to be founded on. In general, 0.98

00:06:38.660 the principles that the Bible lays out for justice, it has created the best system in the world. And

00:06:43.900 yet, because of ideology, because of godlessness, because of injustice and wickednesses we will

00:06:49.120 talk about today, that justice system has been perverted in the United States. We will give several

00:06:54.740 examples of that today. This is something you should care about. Something you should care about. I don't

00:06:59.260 care where you are politically. I don't care what you think about Julie Kelly. I don't care what you think

00:07:02.800 about me. I don't care what you think about Donald Trump. I don't care where you land on this. This

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00:08:25.500 Julie, thank you so much for joining us. I know a lot of people who are listening, watching,

00:08:29.800 already follow you, but for those who don't, can you tell us who you are and what you do?

00:08:34.240 Sure, Allie. Thanks so much for having me on. So I am an opinion writer, reporter, commentator. All my

00:08:42.320 work can be found at AmericanGreatness, amgreatness.com. I also have a book out about January 6th,

00:08:49.360 how the Democrats have turned the Capitol protest into a war on terror against the political right,

00:08:55.800 which I know we'll talk a little bit about now. And so I've been covering this issue really since

00:09:01.860 the day after it happened. And Allie, I can just tell you, I know we'll talk about, I am absolutely

00:09:07.520 shocked at how Democrats, the media, never Trumpers, et cetera, are exploiting the events of that day

00:09:14.660 to go after the political right from Donald Trump all the way down to American voters who really did

00:09:21.940 nothing wrong that day, but to silence political dissent, criminalize political dissent, and of

00:09:29.280 course, cover up what many people suspect was a rigged 20-20 presidential election.

00:09:36.040 Now, your work obviously far predates January 6th, 2021, and yet a lot of people know you

00:09:43.540 exclusively for your reporting on January 6th. Tell us why this has kind of become one of your main

00:09:51.200 beats over the past year and a half.

00:09:54.660 So I get this question a lot, and I often think, what did I do to deserve this? But as you know,

00:10:01.540 Allie, and I was working with your colleague Steve for over a year on the lockdown, you know,

00:10:08.720 the inhumane lockdown policies, we were early opponents of that. And so I really was covering

00:10:14.920 a lot of that, the pandemic, and then the lockdown policies, and then sort of started covering election

00:10:22.460 fraud after the 2020 election. So I guess, Allie, what I saw on January 6th, I did not have

00:10:27.700 the same reaction that almost everyone did. I thought the hype, the descriptions about what

00:10:34.200 happened were so overblown. I was very suspicious about everyone suddenly using this word insurrection

00:10:40.560 starting that day when the American people didn't even really fully understand what was

00:10:46.940 happening. It just seemed like an orchestrated operation to me. And so I started covering it

00:10:52.840 the day after. And Allie, what really shocked me was seeing the Justice Department seek what is

00:11:00.280 called pretrial detention, meaning denying bail to protesters, including those who never entered

00:11:06.700 the Capitol, never engaged in any violence, but basically accusing them of being insurrectionists

00:11:12.440 and traitors, a danger to their community, and judges actually signing off and keeping nonviolent

00:11:18.320 people behind bars. This, of course, happened on the heels of extremely violent, destructive,

00:11:25.540 deadly riots that lasted for months. The American people were told were peaceful, despite what we

00:11:32.100 saw before our very eyes. People like Kamala Harris jumping to their defense to bail them out. And of

00:11:39.820 course, seeing so many perpetrators, rioters, not even facing charges. And so I thought, I just saw this

00:11:47.160 huge disparity in how both events were being handled in our criminal justice system. And still to this

00:11:55.940 day, a huge disparity double standard. And so I think that that's really my very first article

00:12:02.020 about a political prisoner was on February 4th of 2021. And that was the Justice Department seeking

00:12:09.300 to incarcerate Cooey Griffin, a man who didn't even enter the Capitol, was on allegedly restricted grounds.

00:12:15.380 And prosecutors tried to keep him behind bars and a judge actually going along with it for

00:12:20.440 several days before another judge intervened and released him.

00:12:24.460 Wow. So let's go back to January 6th. This isn't something that we have covered super thoroughly.

00:12:31.400 Now, when it happened, we had Steve Dace on and he had maybe a similar reaction to you. It wasn't the

00:12:40.100 same reaction that we saw a lot of people have. I'll just be honest. When I first saw the footage

00:12:44.900 of what happened on January 6th, I cried. And my reaction almost surprised me. I think because of

00:12:52.480 everything that had been leading up to that point, it did seem like we were kind of in a pressure cooker

00:12:58.160 type situation because of the lockdowns, because of COVID, because of this contentious election,

00:13:03.020 because of the riots and the violence that we had seen just wreck American cities because of BLM. And 0.79

00:13:10.760 I mean, it was just a tense moment. And then it just seemed like things just boiled over. And I was

00:13:18.620 sad to see what I saw. Of course, I did see the people who were just entering in, walking through,

00:13:24.360 you saw grandmothers with American flags, just kind of like moseying through the Capitol.

00:13:28.760 But then you did see violence. You saw people who were really angry, who were really vicious,

00:13:34.880 who were pushing down barricades, who were pushing back against police officers, who were trying to

00:13:40.040 break their way into the Capitol. Is your contention mostly that the people who were violent and the

00:13:46.380 people who were nonviolent are all being treated the same? Or are you saying kind of like the violence

00:13:53.280 that we did see is being overblown by the media? Or what's really your big beef and how

00:13:58.760 this is being handled? So there certainly were people who acted badly that day and should be

00:14:05.360 prosecuted for what they did. There's no excusing people who overran, especially the first police

00:14:12.700 lines and attempted to get into the building aside from police who were there trying to protect it.

00:14:20.180 However, Ali, what we haven't seen and what this committee and DOJ refuses to allow the American

00:14:27.040 people to see are thousands of hours of surveillance video that captured what happened inside and

00:14:33.000 outside the building that day. And here's why. The confrontations that most Americans saw between

00:14:39.240 police and protesters, what happened was police provoked a lot of the violence that happened that day.

00:14:46.860 This is why, Ali, and this is hard for people to grasp, and I understand that. This is why Nancy Pelosi,

00:14:53.900 Mitch McConnell, and Muriel Bowser left the Capitol grounds intentionally unsecure that day. It's

00:15:02.080 really important to underscore. Donald Trump was not responsible for securing the U.S. Capitol that day.

00:15:08.860 He has no jurisdiction over that. That completely rests in the hands of the U.S. Capitol police who are

00:15:16.620 under the direction of the sergeant at arms for both Nancy Pelosi and Mitch McConnell that day and also

00:15:23.840 Muriel Bowser. Why did they continue to deny requests from the Capitol police chief for thousands of guardsmen

00:15:32.820 to be on Capitol grounds that day? Why? Through my book and other reporting, it is because D.C. Metro and

00:15:39.340 Capitol police had their marching orders to start attacking the crowd outside, doing nothing wrong.

00:15:45.060 These were people who started coming from Trump's speech, attacking them with nonlethal munitions,

00:15:52.440 stun grenades, flashbangs, sting balls with rubber bullets, pepper balls, and tear gas to provoke a

00:15:59.140 lot of the confrontations. That's why you see Trump supporters screaming at police officers, calling them

00:16:04.320 traitors, because that is what police were doing that day. That's a huge part of the story. Most Americans do

00:16:11.760 not know. This committee has not explored, and we can't even see the video and the records that would

00:16:18.100 support or at least explain why these people, these people in charge, left the Capitol and the grounds

00:16:24.600 so intentionally unsecured on January 6th. So you believe the people that were pushing down the

00:16:29.740 barricades and pushing back against the police officers that they were provoked by the police officers and

00:16:34.400 that that was an intentional setup by Muriel Bowser, Nancy Pelosi, the Democrats at the Capitol.

00:16:41.060 So you have different things happening at different parts of the Capitol grounds. The first breach,

00:16:46.620 Allie, happened right before the joint session of Congress convened that day, right before one o'clock.

00:16:52.960 And you see people like Ray Epps, who's standing there, still not charged inexplicably why.

00:16:58.960 Yeah, just let's pause right there. That's an interesting part that some people don't know

00:17:03.300 about. And I don't want to get you off because I know you're telling us a timeline, but who

00:17:07.220 is Ray Epps and why is this a name that we keep hearing?

00:17:12.900 We still don't know who Ray Epps is. And I'm sure some of your listeners understand that this is the

00:17:19.300 man, tall man in a red MAGA hat. He's seen on January 5th and 6th directing people to go to the Capitol,

00:17:27.380 telling them to go inside the Capitol building that day. He's on video numerous times doing this.

00:17:34.740 He was right behind the man, Ryan Samsel, who first breached, not the Capitol building,

00:17:40.600 but the perimeter of the grounds. You had a few Capitol police there with these metal racks.

00:17:46.840 In no way did it indicate that anything was off limits, or at least it wasn't, you know,

00:17:52.820 strongly enforced this perimeter, this barricade. It was a joke. And so you have Ray Epps standing

00:18:00.120 there. He whispers in the ear of Ryan Samsel, who then, with other people, including the Proud Boys,

00:18:06.020 knocked down some of these barriers, these bike racks, basically, and run up these stairs past

00:18:12.260 police. This is the exterior grounds. This is not the building itself. And they advance towards

00:18:18.500 the building. Now, this happens around one o'clock. Donald Trump is still speaking one and a half

00:18:25.380 miles away. He doesn't finish up until 110. So we can talk a little bit more about the timeline.

00:18:31.020 Anyway, Ray Epps, still almost 18 months later, has not been charged with a crime. Some people suspect

00:18:37.260 he has been a federal agent. The committee leapt to his defense, oddly, when senators started asking why

00:18:44.820 he hadn't been charged. His name was removed from the FBI's most wanted list. But here we are,

00:18:49.780 Ali, almost 18 months later, we still don't know why a man who was so intimate, you know,

00:18:56.260 on multiple occasions involved in what happened that day, on restricted grounds, at the point of

00:19:02.600 the initial perimeter breach, why he has not been charged. And so this is just one of the money

00:19:08.180 unanswered questions. Definitely an inconsistency. You would think if they are going to charge these

00:19:12.880 people who were nonviolent, who just entered into the Capitol that day or were just in proximity,

00:19:18.840 that they would certainly have charged this person who is seen on camera telling people to go to the

00:19:24.760 Capitol and march to the Capitol. So that is troubling. So continuing on the timeline. So this

00:19:32.020 was happening while President Trump was still speaking. And then how is President Trump involved

00:19:36.200 in this? I know that there's been so much back and forth. Did he incite this? Did he push for this?

00:19:40.920 Did he encourage people to go to the Capitol and be violent? Of course, he is. He has heard saying

00:19:47.760 peacefully march or whatever. But there's been a lot of controversy surrounding President Trump's role

00:19:54.440 in this. So, as I said, that first breach happened with the Proud Boys, people like Ray Epps,

00:20:02.000 Ryan Samsel, who's been incarcerated now for 17 months, while the DOJ continues to delay his trial.

00:20:08.840 So he has sort of this violent. I'm sorry, I keep interrupting. I'm just so interested. He was

00:20:13.540 nonviolent, but he has been kept in prison. Is he in solitary confinement? Well, I wouldn't call him

00:20:19.100 nonviolent because he did breach the barricades. He knocked over one police officer. He helped her back

00:20:26.620 up. And so he's charged with assaulting a police officer, damaged property. So I wouldn't say that Ryan

00:20:33.060 would be one of the defendants who is nonviolent. There are at least a dozen plus who face nonviolent

00:20:41.780 offenses, though, who have been incarcerated for over a year. Ryan's not necessarily one of them.

00:20:47.660 But this first group then advances up to the west side of the Capitol. And there were scuffles with

00:20:53.140 police and people were trying to get up these stairs to get closer to the building. And so there were

00:20:59.940 definitely some violent agitators in there, too. There are certainly people who you could see on film who

00:21:05.660 were agitators who still have not been charged. Because, of course, Ali, as we know, that first group

00:21:11.960 that I just talked about, there were at least two FBI informants in that group that participated with

00:21:17.800 this Proud Boys group to breach the Capitol. We still don't have the number and amount and exactly

00:21:26.400 what these FBI informants. I suspect hundreds, if not thousands of federal agents were involved.

00:21:32.280 We still can't get answers on that, too. But anyway, so then Donald Trump finishes up his speech

00:21:38.520 at the Ellipse around 110. This is now after this initial breach. So you have thousands of people who

00:21:44.940 start walking towards Capitol Hill. As you said, Ali, he said, you know, we want our voices heard.

00:21:50.960 We are going to march peacefully. A lot of people who I've interviewed went to the Capitol thinking

00:21:56.840 Donald Trump said he was going to be there. They thought he would go there and give another speech

00:22:02.740 as they're walking towards the Capitol. And there's plenty of video evidence of this. You could see

00:22:09.580 people being attacked outside, not just these agitators, but people who had assembled on Capitol

00:22:16.920 grounds. They're waving flags. They're singing. They're sort of waiting. People didn't have cell

00:22:22.000 service. They were sort of waiting to see what Mike Pence was going to do. They were sort of waiting

00:22:27.200 to see what was going to happen with this audit that the Republican senators and House members wanted,

00:22:33.880 a 10-day audit. And so as they're approaching, they see all of this tear gas. They can hear flashbangs

00:22:40.440 going off. They see people bleeding from being attacked with rubber bullets by DC Metro and Capitol

00:22:46.340 Police. Now, outside of the ones who were at the first set of agitators, there was no reason for

00:22:53.380 Capitol Police and DC Metro to be throwing these explosive devices at the crowd of people who were

00:23:02.060 just approaching Capitol grounds. And so this is when you see a lot of protesters, Trump supporters,

00:23:08.980 Biden protesters, I guess you will call them, screaming at police. Two men, Allie, Kevin

00:23:14.780 Greeson and Benjamin Phillips, died of fatal heart attacks on Capitol grounds that day. This was before

00:23:21.720 Ashley Babbitt was shot and killed by a Capitol police officer. They died of fatal heart attacks.

00:23:27.120 Witnesses who were near these two men say they had cardiac events because they were hit with these flash

00:23:33.740 bangs, which emits this huge explosion of light and sound. These two men were carried off by protesters

00:23:41.480 using bike racks as a stretcher. This is something most Americans have never heard. Four people died

00:23:49.380 on January 6th, not any police officers, four Trump supporters, Kevin Greeson, Benjamin Phillips,

00:23:57.000 Ashley Babbitt, who was shot and killed almost at point blank range by Capitol police officer,

00:24:02.100 Michael Byrd and Roseanne Boylan, who died around 430 that afternoon, also as a result of excessive force

00:24:09.800 by DC Metro and Capitol police. So I invite people to look at my reporting. I've embedded many videos

00:24:17.640 that I have received from people who show what police were doing this day. This is a major cover up

00:24:24.800 by both DOJ and by the J6 committee. They do not want Americans to see what law enforcement did that

00:24:33.200 day, which is why they're concealing the videos and they're concealing all records and communications

00:24:38.560 from Capitol police, Nancy Pelosi, DC Mayor Muriel Bowser's office, and certainly the FBI.

00:24:54.800 And it's really amazing how little a lot of people know about this. I mean, there are people who may

00:25:01.120 not even identify as liberal, so they're not necessarily watching MSNBC or CNN, but who believe

00:25:07.060 that the police officers were murdered. I mean, we've heard the Biden administration say that,

00:25:11.260 that police officers... Joe Biden has said it. Right. And as you said, the only person who was killed

00:25:16.000 that day was Ashley Babbitt. As far as we know, she was unarmed. That police officer who shot and killed

00:25:21.940 her was actually given a glowing interview. I believe it was on NBC or ABC. I mean, when is

00:25:28.500 the last time a police officer shot and killed an unarmed person and got anything but condemnation

00:25:34.640 from these mainstream media outlets? This also reminds me that in May of 2020,

00:25:40.620 mobs of left-wing rioters, this was brought up recently by Andy Ngo, tried to storm the White House.

00:25:47.620 They were pushed back by the police. These left-wing rioters tried to assault the police

00:25:52.880 officers, hit them with projectiles. And of course, the Democrats and the leftists at the time

00:25:57.180 condemned law enforcement for pushing them back. And again, I think this is something I didn't even

00:26:03.700 remember. And I'm someone who pays attention to the news. So there's almost no hope for the average

00:26:08.360 person to get a fair assessment of violence in this country, political violence in this country,

00:26:14.860 and in particular of January 6th. Tell us a little bit more about, well, I want to hear about the

00:26:21.800 hearing. But before we get to that, tell us a little bit more about what you've seen in the

00:26:26.360 reporting of this and calling this an insurrection, how the media has handled this. I'm sure that's been

00:26:32.440 super frustrating to you as a reporter who has seen the other side of the situation.

00:26:37.300 I mean, it's very frustrating because, of course, all of the corporate media reporting has been

00:26:45.240 one-sided. They have completely ignored what I just described as law enforcement, excessive force,

00:26:52.780 lethal force. This is the same media alley who went after Derek Chauvin, justifiably or not,

00:27:01.580 and what happened with George Floyd. For months, Allie continued to conceal the name of Michael

00:27:08.640 Byrd, the Capitol Police officer who shot and killed Ashley Babbitt. The reporters knew his name.

00:27:14.500 Republican congressmen knew his name. Democrats certainly knew his name. Capitol Police knew his

00:27:19.380 name. For months, they refused to release his name. Why? Because he was going to get death threats.

00:27:25.640 Well, what do you think happens to every other police officer accused, fair or not, of engaging

00:27:31.840 in lethal force? Another example of egregious double standards. To your point, Michael Byrd's name was

00:27:38.200 concealed by the same media who, at the same time, Allie, was vilifying, demonizing Ashley Babbitt, 0.87

00:27:45.720 accusing her of being a QAnon supporter, basically saying she deserved what she got that day,

00:27:51.840 while covering up Michael Byrd's name, who, by the way, has been exonerated by alleged internal

00:27:57.340 investigations at DOJ and Capitol Police, to this day still has his job. That doesn't happen in any

00:28:03.740 other city, in any other place in this country, except for Washington, D.C., because Michael Byrd

00:28:09.840 shot a Trump supporter, who the media considers a deplorable. So her rights don't matter.

00:28:17.120 So just another example, I do want to touch on for a second, Allie, what you just referred to,

00:28:22.700 the Lafayette Square riots in May, spilling over to June 1st and 2nd of 2020. This is the most

00:28:30.180 comparable example to January 6th. You're talking about people who are on federal property, Lafayette

00:28:37.060 Square's public park, who were engaged in violence with federal officers, U.S. Park Police and Secret

00:28:44.180 Service agents, that prompted the lockdown of the White House for days. These people were setting

00:28:50.580 fires across the street, trying to climb over fences and attack the White House. Not only has DOJ

00:28:58.680 actively dropped charges against those people, Congress held two hearings in the summer of 2020

00:29:06.500 to investigate law enforcement for attacking these protesters. They held congressional hearings,

00:29:13.200 not on what the rioters did, not what happened inside the White House, not how Donald Trump and

00:29:18.040 his family's lives were endangered, not how they were burning property and attacking officers with

00:29:24.040 all sorts of weapons. Congress held a hearing about law enforcement. And so this is, again, the reverse

00:29:31.880 of what is happening with January 6th. But that's the most comparable example.

00:29:36.900 Yeah. And then, of course, just to underscore what you're saying, I mean, there are almost too many

00:29:43.120 examples of this double standard, these two justice systems to name. But of course, as we have already

00:29:48.660 mentioned, the BLM riots, the Antifa destruction that happened across the country, very often law

00:29:55.220 enforcement doing anything at all, even the most, like, genteel response to that violence, which not

00:30:01.740 just, it didn't just threaten property, it threatened people's lives. I mean, people died and were murdered

00:30:07.100 because of this. I mean, some of this is federal property. And law enforcement got criticized for

00:30:12.960 responding at all to those things. And then, of course, there are the attacks that are happening

00:30:18.440 right now at pro-life centers across the country. Of course, there's the assassination attempt against

00:30:23.880 Justice Kavanaugh. And then left-wing activists did not waste any time that same day protesting in front of

00:30:30.180 the houses of Justice Kavanaugh and Justice Barrett, where their small children are. I haven't heard the

00:30:37.340 DOJ saying that they are going to investigate. I've barely heard a peep or seen a furrowed brow from

00:30:43.000 anyone in the media about this stuff, which is a subversion of a democratic process, by the way.

00:30:50.380 And so just to underscore what you're saying about the double standard, it is always when it comes to

00:30:56.560 progressive forms of so-called justice, which isn't justice. It is always investigating the reaction

00:31:04.120 to corruption rather than the corruption itself. Same thing with school boards. So the DOJ,

00:31:11.460 the Biden administration is not concerned with pornography that is being showed to elementary

00:31:16.220 schoolers, but is actually concerned with the parents who are concerned about that. So they're

00:31:21.400 calling the parents concerned about that terrorist. They're not at all concerned that the pornography

00:31:25.840 is being showed. So sorry, I just went on a rant there. But just to emphasize what you're saying

00:31:32.440 and to remind people, this is not just an isolated incident. This kind of double standard for justice

00:31:36.840 is unfortunately pervasive. But please continue. Think about this, Allie. And this was testimony by

00:31:44.580 one of the FBI lead officials for the FBI when she was asked how many people from the 2020 riots,

00:31:52.080 riots that took place for months in some cities, destructive $2 billion in property damage.

00:32:01.080 She was directly asked how many people had been charged, federally charged related to the 2020 riots.

00:32:07.680 Her answer, 250. We now have over 830 Americans who have been criminally charged. Still new arrests.

00:32:18.200 I just got a text today. Two more people arrested today. Almost 18 months later, this FBI,

00:32:25.220 this DOJ are rounding up Americans on mostly misdemeanor charges, by the way, like parading in

00:32:30.820 the Capitol. You have 830 and counting Americans charged for a four hour disturbance at the Capitol

00:32:37.040 almost 18 months ago. And 250 charged federally for months of destructive, deadly riots in 2020.

00:32:46.500 That, Allie, is what people get the most upset about. And this committee can continue its performance

00:32:54.060 art. But Americans still see cities, areas, neighborhoods, and cities that are still burned out,

00:33:01.520 businesses that have never recovered from what happened over two years ago. That's what Americans 0.88

00:33:07.780 want accountability for. They certainly want people who acted violently on January 6th to be

00:33:13.060 prosecuted, but also to be treated fairly. You have people accused of assaulting a police officer,

00:33:20.160 pepper spraying, or even pepper spraying in the direction of a police officer who've been in jail now

00:33:25.760 for 16 months awaiting trial. They're not even convicted of anything. So no due process.

00:33:31.680 Zero. Right. Right. Meanwhile, all the rioters, they're dropping, DOJ is dropping charges.

00:33:39.040 They're asking for leniency. We just saw this in the case of two lawyers in New York City who put

00:33:45.300 together that Molotov cocktail that they threw at a police vehicle. 18 to 24 months. That's half the

00:33:52.720 sentence that this government handed down against Jacob Chansley, the guy with the horns and the fur

00:33:58.040 and the face paint, who walked in the building, talked to police officers who followed him into

00:34:04.220 the Senate gallery. He led a prayer. He left a note for Mike Pence. No weapon. Didn't attack anyone.

00:34:10.120 No property. He will be in jail for 41 months after serving 317 days in solitary confinement.

00:34:17.800 This DOJ finally tortured him into a plea deal. Yep.

00:34:21.060 How many people are in solitary confinement because of this? Do you know?

00:34:26.580 So it varies, Allie. What happened early on is there were solitary confinement conditions. This

00:34:32.560 was men, especially in this D.C. jail. We have a political prison in Washington, D.C. Just astonishing.

00:34:39.820 This is part of the D.C. jail that is set aside specifically for people who protested Joe Biden's

00:34:45.840 election who are being prosecuted by Joe Biden's Justice Department. So there are right now about

00:34:51.960 40 men who are still in this D.C. jail. Many of them have spent lengthy amounts of time in solitary

00:34:58.520 confinement conditions, only allowed out of their cell for an hour at a time. They can't shower.

00:35:06.060 They had no access to any personal hygiene care, shaving, et cetera. They can't speak to their lawyers.

00:35:12.580 They can't get access to their discovery materials against them.

00:35:16.600 How is this legal? Is it legal?

00:35:19.320 It's not. It's not legal at all.

00:35:21.420 But it doesn't matter.

00:35:22.240 And you have judges. You have judges as far back as a summer at last summer, Allie, where I heard one

00:35:27.780 judge, Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump appointee who is keeping several men held behind bars.

00:35:34.480 Last June, he said he was worried about due process and Sixth Amendment violations.

00:35:38.780 Here we are a year later, not a single judge has released any of these men based on any

00:35:45.080 6A, 4A, 8A violations by this Justice Department. They keep going along, letting these men languish

00:35:55.100 in jail while the same DOJ and judges delay their trials, withhold discovery evidence, and do not

00:36:01.620 allow them regular access to their defense attorneys. It really is such a travesty. It's hard to

00:36:07.900 keep track of. I mean, it's hard to assemble all of it to make it comprehensible for people.

00:36:16.720 But I mean, this is a political prosecution with political prison and, like I said, new arrests

00:36:24.720 every single week.

00:36:36.820 Let me read this thread that I know that you've seen from Steve Days. It's from June 7th. And it really is

00:36:45.300 just heartbreaking. I might not read the entirety of the thread because it's a little bit long, but

00:36:50.440 this was just one of, I mean, a few stories that I have read in the past year and a half that has

00:36:56.200 just broken my heart. And when I say that it's broken my heart, and just as you've said, that

00:37:01.280 doesn't mean that you're not condemning actual violence that happened or the actual people who

00:37:06.060 did something wrong. But for anyone, whether you commit violence or not, you believe in due process,

00:37:10.600 you believe in real justice. And especially for the people who have had their due process rights

00:37:16.280 taken away who didn't commit violence at all. I mean, no matter what happened on that day, everyone

00:37:20.920 should get due process, but especially the people who are getting rounded up and charged with

00:37:24.800 misdemeanors. It's just too much. So let me read part of this thread. So Steve Days, he was sent

00:37:31.420 a message, an email from a January 6th. So someone who was involved in January 6th or was just there.

00:37:38.760 He said, I listened to your podcast and I follow Julie Kelly. It's every bit as bad as she describes.

00:37:43.620 I am a husband and father who has zero criminal history, and I am looking at years in prison

00:37:48.020 after I took a plea. You may ask why would people take a plea if they are innocent? And it has nothing

00:37:53.880 to do with this. As my lawyer has told me over and over again, this is payback. There are only a

00:37:58.940 handful of representatives in D.C. that care about us. The vast majority could not care less.

00:38:03.320 They secretly despise Trump and anyone on the 6th as well. The DOJ knows this. He says, I watched for

00:38:09.740 four years as our government that I pay taxes for tried to impeach and even oust our president with

00:38:14.000 sheer impunity. That's true. Hillary's smearing stunt morphed into a coup that lasted Trump's entire 1.00

00:38:19.420 term. That's true. Then I watched the election get stolen from the American people. That's what he

00:38:25.940 believes. So I went to D.C. to support the way I thought best, which, by the way, like it's not

00:38:31.240 illegal to believe that election and election was stolen. Obviously, Democrats insisted that the 2016

00:38:37.560 election was stolen. That's part of what he is talking about for several years. And the media

00:38:41.780 repeated that. So he says, so I went to D.C. to support the way I thought best. I wasn't violent.

00:38:47.000 I didn't break anything. I didn't steal anything. And that doesn't matter. I lost my six figure income

00:38:52.000 friends and my family is a wreck. I had the FBI in my home. I was brought before a judge in shackles.

00:38:57.740 I'm the lucky one, he says. I got to remain free until sentencing. So this is the country that I now

00:39:02.780 live in where the powerful few can attack an elected president attempting to remove him

00:39:07.420 for four years and where elections no longer matter. That's what he thinks. That's what a

00:39:11.700 lot of Americans think. We are no longer free, he says. And this country was taken without firing a

00:39:17.340 single shot. And this part just broke my heart. In addition to the brokenness of his family that he

00:39:22.860 talks about, he says, I am now barely making a living doing manual labor for just over minimum wage

00:39:28.520 until my sentencing is over. I was threatened with 20 years in prison, something only murderers face.

00:39:34.640 We couldn't change the venue and none of the motions to dismiss were accepted. And so he is,

00:39:43.440 so at the pleading of my wife, he says, advice from my lawyer. I destroyed a part of me and signed a

00:39:48.560 paper full of exaggerations and lies. And more importantly, a narrative that fits what they

00:39:52.880 want in order to take this plea deal. And wow, this was poignant and really sad. I am a Christian and

00:39:58.160 somehow I feel damned. I lied to save my family. My pastor tells me about rehab, but it doesn't help.

00:40:03.540 I don't look at myself in the mirror anymore. A part of me is dead now. I now wake up longing for

00:40:08.300 the Lord to take me. I mean, what's your reaction to this? And is this descriptive of a lot of people

00:40:15.360 who have been charged and whose lives have been ruined because of their involvement?

00:40:20.620 Yeah. I mean, it's still so raw to hear that. I've heard these stories from people for over a year.

00:40:28.500 Um, it breaks my heart. It makes me sick to my stomach and it makes me enraged every time that

00:40:34.940 I hear it. What this man probably was charged with was obstruction of an official proceeding,

00:40:41.140 a nonviolent felony that this DOJ is tormenting people with, uh, threatening them with 20 years

00:40:49.200 in prison. It's never been used this way before Allie. It is an, it, it, it's actually a post Enron

00:40:55.640 law that has to do with tampering with evidence, but this vengeful, abusive, despicable DOJ

00:41:03.120 is ruining people's lives, charging them with this felony, forcing them into plea deals. Exactly what

00:41:10.200 this man said. Do you know why they can't get a fair trial in Washington DC? We've had five jury

00:41:15.380 trials so far. The juries have come back every single time, unanimous guilty verdicts on every

00:41:20.620 single count in record time. One jury joke, one juror joked, we took longer for us to order lunch

00:41:27.280 than it did to find this particular man guilty of five crimes, including obstruction of an official

00:41:32.580 proceeding, which as I said, has never been applied to political protesters. It's a completely

00:41:37.520 novel crime that this DOJ is using against Americans. And this is the result. This poor man,

00:41:44.800 these people's lives have been destroyed. The media relentlessly targets them, including their

00:41:50.740 local media. People have gotten divorced. Their businesses have gone bankrupt. Their own children

00:41:56.440 have turned on them. Matthew Perna, I've written about him. You probably read my coverage. 32 year old

00:42:04.240 man did nothing wrong, walked into an open door, went to protest what he believed was a stolen election,

00:42:10.880 just like a lot of people did that day. This DOJ went after him with a vengeance. He had a terrible

00:42:17.520 lawyer who finally did the same thing, said, plead guilty, obstruction of an official proceeding, and a

00:42:24.320 couple of trespassing charges. Matthew Perna pleaded guilty, believing, okay, I'll spend maybe a few

00:42:29.980 weeks, maybe a few months in jail. This DOJ came back after he pleaded guilty, and they wanted to add

00:42:37.440 what they're doing in these cases, a terrorism enhancement that would have put Matthew Perna in

00:42:43.440 jail for three to four years for walking inside a public building that had already been vacated by

00:42:51.680 lawmakers, didn't have a weapon, he didn't touch anything inside. Very respectful man, no criminal

00:42:57.920 history. And after he found out this DOJ was going to go after him like that, he hanged himself in his

00:43:04.800 garage on February 26th of 2022. And this DOJ refuses to say anything about Matthew Perna's suicide.

00:43:15.760 He's actually the second man to commit suicide after being charged and harassed by this DOJ.

00:43:21.360 So when this man says he wants to die, I've heard this from people. I would rather be dead than what

00:43:28.880 this government is doing to me. These people did nothing wrong. And this is what Joe Biden,

00:43:34.800 Merrick Garland, Matthew Graves, the DC US attorney, Lisa Monaco, an Obama loyalist who is the deputy

00:43:42.080 attorney general, number two, running the show on this prosecution. And this news media and this

00:43:47.760 committee are doing to innocent Americans. It is an outrage. And you know what, Ali? People want to be 0.91

00:43:53.600 upset because I saw a few broken windows. I saw a couple of cops who probably were engaged in

00:43:58.480 violence themselves being shoved or whatever. People want to still fixate on that. That's fine.

00:44:02.720 I can't, I can't stop that. But you cannot close your ears and eyes to the trauma, the destruction

00:44:09.520 of what this powerful government is doing to people like the man in this thread that Steve posted a few

00:44:16.320 weeks ago. And it is happening over and over. And, um, you know, where are lawmakers speaking out

00:44:23.920 against this? These are human, civil, and constitutional rights violations happening right

00:44:30.160 here in America. And they still want to talk about what a couple of Capitol police officers who go

00:44:35.840 testify and cry because what, for what reason? I mean, come on, this is the real victims here are the

00:44:43.280 man in that thread and people like Matthew Perna who saw no way out except to commit suicide.

00:44:49.120 And I just want to encourage people to be critical thinkers about this. Look,

00:44:52.800 you can see some of the footage that happened that day. I mean, there were, there were Capitol

00:44:57.360 protesters who were trying to break through the doors. Police officers were pushing them back. I mean,

00:45:04.000 it's, it's disturbing and disheartening footage. Absolutely. But even if you believe the worst of the

00:45:09.920 worst of January 6th, that this was a violent insurrection that they were trying to overthrow

00:45:15.360 the government with the help of Donald Trump, I don't think that's a correct description. But even if

00:45:19.600 you think that, that does not mean that the people who were involved, even the people who were violent,

00:45:25.360 should not get due process and should not get a fair trial. They are still human beings. They're still

00:45:30.320 American citizens. They still have rights. And somehow people understand that when it comes to so-called

00:45:36.880 criminal justice on the left, they understand that people, you know, deserve rights when it comes to

00:45:43.200 the criminal process, but not here. It's because, as you said, this is a political prosecution. This is

00:45:49.760 a political game. It's a dangerous game. It's a scary game. This is something that happens in totalitarian

00:45:55.680 countries that has happened in totalitarian communist countries throughout history. And I just read this

00:46:01.840 story. And I mean, you see these stories every single day. This is extremely common. But there

00:46:07.200 was this terrible story of this man who he beat to death, his two-year-old son. Awful story reported

00:46:15.280 by the New York Post, told his two-year-old son to put his hands up to fight. He punches his two-year-old

00:46:21.520 son, beats him to death. What does he get sentenced with? He has to serve out only 85 percent of a 16-year

00:46:31.120 sentence. And that is common. That happens every single day in the name of equity, in the name of

00:46:36.800 social justice, in the name of racial justice, whatever it is, based on the color of your skin,

00:46:42.160 based on the prosecutor that is in your district, these Democrat cities. So we've got murderers 0.62

00:46:48.000 on the street right now because of bail reform, criminal justice reform, and the social justice

00:46:53.440 movement. And yet this nonviolent dad is saying that he is looking at 20 years in prison. And what

00:47:00.800 he says at the end of this thread that Steve Dace posted is so sad. He said,

00:47:04.400 I don't know what's going to happen to my family while I'm gone for years. My wife

00:47:08.480 has depended on me our whole marriage. She is the only woman I've ever been with, the only woman

00:47:13.200 I've ever loved. I hope she and my kids can make it without me. I am a J6-er,

00:47:18.680 and I am going to prison. I mean, how does that not break your heart, no matter what side of the aisle

00:47:23.880 you're on? Well, let me tell you something, Allie, and I think I told Steve this. The saddest

00:47:30.520 part, one of the saddest parts about that thread, is that actually gratifies so many people on the

00:47:37.320 left. Yes. It gratifies the prosecutors, by the way, who I read, hear what they say. This makes them

00:47:44.480 smile. They love that Americans who supported Donald Trump, protested Joe Biden, that they are suffering

00:47:51.420 this way. So too are the judges. I've listened to them. I've heard people like Jacob Chansley

00:47:56.860 and Robert Reeder and Paul Hodgkins. I've heard them in tears begging a judge for mercy to not throw

00:48:06.120 them in jail from anywhere from a parading, a low-level petty offense, parading in the Capitol

00:48:12.060 to Jacob Chansley. I've heard them cry in court. I've heard men give their plea agreements,

00:48:19.960 acknowledging, crying in court, begging for mercy. And these judges don't care. They consider them

00:48:28.820 insurrectionists. They consider them traitors. They consider them terrorists. And so, unfortunately,

00:48:35.780 you have most, almost everyone who lives in Washington, D.C. and news media reporters across

00:48:41.140 the country who will read that thread and it will bring a smile to their face. That's the really sick

00:48:46.420 part about what's happening related to January 6th. Well, you can see that in the comments.

00:48:51.260 Unfortunately, some of the replies to Steve Dace's thread are saying, serves him right. He deserves it.

00:48:59.520 That's great. I mean, the same people that are constantly criticizing our justice system, constantly

00:49:05.000 criticizing our country for being unfair, for being inequitable, for having two justice systems that

00:49:14.420 they say exist between white people and black people. Yes, there are two justice systems that

00:49:19.460 exist. It has nothing to do with race and a lot to do with your political affiliation. That's the scary

00:49:25.140 part. That's why people should care. No matter what side of the aisle that you're on, can you not just

00:49:29.920 take a moment to put yourself in someone else's shoes and think about what it would be like if the

00:49:34.600 state were weaponized against you because of your political beliefs? Too many people on the left can't

00:49:39.020 imagine that, though. And I understand why they can't imagine that. I mean, could you,

00:49:43.080 if you saw double standard after double standard, like if you saw the DOJ only weaponized against

00:49:49.180 the right? Of course. I mean, you're going to cheer that on and you're going to think that you are

00:49:53.200 immune to any kind of justice or even criticism. Well, they should read a history book, which is

00:50:00.680 what I say all the time. When you have totalitarian, tyrannical governments like we have right now in

00:50:05.340 Washington, D.C., turn against one part of the populace, eventually it turns against everyone. 0.98

00:50:12.160 So all of the little cowards, faceless, nameless cowards who love to tweet nasty things about 0.93

00:50:19.040 what happens to, you should see some of the responses that I got when I posted my article 0.95

00:50:24.180 about Matthew Pernan interviewed his aunt. These are really sick people, devoid of any humanity,

00:50:30.700 any soul, and plenty of them work for the U.S. Justice Department, unfortunately. I asked repeatedly 0.97

00:50:36.480 to get a comment from the Justice Department about Matthew Pernan's suicide. They refused

00:50:41.160 to comment. The judge refuses to respond to his family about what happened to him.

00:50:46.440 They think it's good. They think that he deserved that, I'm sure.

00:50:49.900 They say the same about Ashley Babbitt. They don't care that she was shot near point-blank range,

00:50:56.040 an unarmed veteran. Look what this media smeared her with. They do it to this day. 1.00

00:51:01.180 You know what, Allie? This J6 committee is why it's such a joke. They want to mislead the American 1.00

00:51:07.100 people into believing that police officers died as a result of January 6th, which is a flagrant lie.

00:51:13.900 Have you heard the names Ashley Babbitt, Roseanne Boylan, Kevin Greeson, or Benjamin Phillips?

00:51:19.740 Have you heard Joe Biden say anything about the execution of Ashley Babbitt? Even if you think,

00:51:27.500 okay, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, you have not heard anyone say their names.

00:51:32.560 It's like they didn't exist because in their minds, those people got what they deserved.

00:51:39.880 They were killed by their own government.

00:51:41.220 The same people who were against the death penalty for murderers, by the way,

00:51:44.180 the same people that will say, oh yeah, I'm with the Innocence Project. I'm against the death

00:51:48.540 penalty for murderers. They will say that Ashley Babbitt got what she deserved that day. Isn't that

00:51:53.940 interesting? Yes. Yeah. It's really sad. One thing that you tweeted that I just am wondering

00:52:00.480 if you can explain a little bit further, although you've already mentioned it a couple of times,

00:52:04.160 you tweeted a couple of days ago that Merrick Garland admitted, which she did on tape in front

00:52:08.920 of the camera, that his prosecutors are watching the January 6th committee hearings that are happening

00:52:13.060 in Congress. You said, never before has such a flagrant partnership between a partisan congressional

00:52:17.300 committee and the DOJ been so widely accepted as acceptable. Why is that so dangerous and unacceptable?

00:52:21.920 Well, because you have a criminal process, right, where you have to collect evidence,

00:52:28.100 where you have to take witness statements, subpoenas, et cetera, for a criminal case.

00:52:34.060 What DOJ is working hand in hand with this illegitimate House committee that is collecting

00:52:41.020 evidence, people are turning it over. You see executive privilege has been gone. They're collecting

00:52:46.900 the president's records, leaking it to the media. So, and now they have a thousand witness statements.

00:52:54.640 Well, DOJ wants that information that has been collected by an illegitimate committee because

00:53:00.620 what it said, the committee's purpose is to put together a legislative agenda. That is why this

00:53:08.020 committee was formed. It was to find out what happened on January 6th and then to produce a set of

00:53:14.000 legislative recommendations as to how to fix it, make sure it doesn't happen again. This is not a

00:53:18.820 criminal prosecution. It is not set to be collecting evidence for DOJ, who, of course,

00:53:27.360 they're not going to, you know, subpoena Donald Trump or Ivanka Trump or anyone. So they're working

00:53:31.820 hand in hand. The purpose of this committee is to come up with legislative fixes, not to do DOJ's

00:53:38.760 dirty work and then turn over all that evidence to them. Um, because that wasn't the reason why

00:53:44.960 people like Ivanka Trump testified before the committee, or this is not why people like Mark

00:53:50.340 Meadows turned over their records. If DOJ wanted Mark Meadows records, they couldn't just send a

00:53:55.560 letter. Hey, give us your information, give us your tech. They would have to go through a very extensive

00:53:59.980 subpoena, grand jury, et cetera process. That's not what's happening here.

00:54:04.200 So for Merrick Garland to say his prosecutors are watching this for his DOJ to suggest that they

00:54:10.320 want these witness, um, transcripts, that they want all the documents and records that they've

00:54:15.200 collected. Well, you have to go through that through a criminal prosecution process, not through this.

00:54:21.540 That's why it just blew my mind when I heard that because Elliot, the same time you have defense

00:54:27.920 attorneys going to judges saying that this January 6th committee theater, that all of these hearings

00:54:34.400 are further tainting an already hyper-partisan jury pool in Washington, DC. And you had one lawyer say

00:54:41.960 a trial that's supposed to start in September is the same time that the January 6th report, it's already

00:54:48.000 available on Amazon. It's like 880 pages that this report is going to drop. And so they're saying,

00:54:53.780 how are we going to pick juries in this highly partisan city that's flooded nonstop with news

00:54:59.940 about January 6th? How are you going to find objective jurors? You're not, you know what this

00:55:04.040 judge said? I don't care if Congress shows up with the report on the steps of the DC district courthouse,

00:55:10.640 I'm not moving this trial. This is what these people, it is so coordinated. Um, and so that's why

00:55:18.520 it was sort of stunning and revelatory to hear Merrick Garland say that because it confirms what people

00:55:24.440 like me and other defense attorneys have suspected. This is very close collaboration between DOJ and

00:55:31.400 Congress. There should be a wall, there's separation of powers, different processes, and all of that just

00:55:37.480 like everything else has been completely obliterated.

00:55:50.520 What do you think is going to come of all of this? Do you think that Trump is going to be

00:55:55.400 indicted? That's something that they said at the hearing.

00:55:59.120 I really do. I'm 99% sure.

00:56:01.860 Yes. Um, now it won't necessarily come from the committee. The committee can make a criminal

00:56:08.060 referral like they have in the cases of Steve Bannon, um, and Peter Navarro for contempt of

00:56:14.420 Congress. And DOJ went along and then charged those two men with contempt of Congress. Um, but

00:56:20.520 the January 6th committee doesn't have to make a criminal referral. DOJ, the DC US attorney, Matthew

00:56:27.020 Graves, who was handling all of these prosecutions, by the way, a Biden campaign advisor, his wife also

00:56:32.540 is a far left wing radical, um, uh, activist in Washington, DC heads up a far left radical, uh,

00:56:40.140 women's legal, a non-for-profit. Um, anyway, he would be the one who I think eventually will file

00:56:48.220 charges against Donald Trump for conspiracy or obstruction of official proceeding, this charge

00:56:54.380 that we just talked about or both. Um, and so I think that that is why you saw the January 6th

00:56:59.900 committee focus on the proud boys. Um, now they've been charged with seditious conspiracy, a charge so

00:57:05.620 rare, no Americans ever been convicted of it, as well as the oath keepers who were giving security

00:57:11.420 that day to people like Roger Stone. So I think that that is what, where the criminal, um, investigation,

00:57:17.740 investigation, I say investigation, persecution is headed. Um, and I very little doubt DOJ will file charges

00:57:25.020 against Donald Trump. This is what the left wants. They have such bloodlust. They've wanted to see

00:57:30.060 Donald Trump in handcuffs now for, you know, whatever, six, five or six years, and it hasn't happened. Um,

00:57:36.540 so I think DOJ, there's no reason for them not to, Allie. This justice department has gotten away with

00:57:41.600 everything it has tried in court and everywhere else. Um, and no one has reined them in, especially

00:57:47.760 these judges who are responsible for protecting the rights of defendants and making sure that due process

00:57:53.680 presumption of innocence, evidence, et cetera, Brady material, uh, is all produced. Um, they haven't held

00:58:00.800 these prosecutors accountable for, for one thing. So there's no reason why DOJ wouldn't. So I feel very

00:58:06.800 strongly that that probably is going to be the October surprise before the midterms, uh, is some

00:58:12.240 sort of criminal charge against Donald Trump. Yep. You know, I think I woke up even though I've

00:58:18.960 been a conservative for my whole life and have never voted Democrat, but I really woke up to

00:58:24.720 the blood thirstiness that I think describes the Democrat party during the Kavanaugh confirmation.

00:58:32.160 That was the moment to me that I think things really turned on. Not again, that I didn't know

00:58:37.760 that they were unfair or, or biased or whatever, but that to me made me recognize, oh, they're out

00:58:43.840 for blood. They don't actually care about the truth at all. They are willing to ruin a father's life

00:58:49.120 based on totally uncorroborated and unsubstantiated allegations of rape of a person. They're willing to

00:58:57.440 go with any story. They don't care if it's verified whatsoever. And yet, of course, they're willing to

00:59:02.960 ignore similar allegations against even worse allegations, I would say, against Joe Biden when

00:59:08.560 it comes to Tara Reid. That was a very awakening moment for me. And I think that this has the

00:59:17.440 potential to be another awakening moment for people who are yet asleep, who still believe that the

00:59:24.000 institutions in this country have integrity, that we do have an impartial justice system,

00:59:29.920 and that there's nothing to worry about. As you said, totalitarian governments

00:59:36.080 eventually turn on the populace as a whole. So this is something that everyone across the aisle

00:59:43.600 should absolutely be concerned about. Now, do you have any hope? And I think I know the answer.

00:59:48.960 Do you have any hope whatsoever for any kind of recompense from Republicans if they take the

00:59:56.640 majority in Congress this fall? This is another question I get a lot. And I know I know you know

01:00:03.680 what my answer is going to be. And that is no, I really don't. But that's why, Ali, people need to and

01:00:10.400 this is why I'm so appreciative for you having me on. People need to know the facts about what happened

01:00:15.760 that day. They need to demand answers for what we don't know, the video, the records, the FBI's

01:00:22.320 involvement months before. We need to know a lot more than what this January 6th committee is offering

01:00:29.200 to the American people. But we need to push Republicans, especially Kevin McCarthy and leadership,

01:00:36.800 that when they win the House, we expect retaliation. We expect this committee to reveal

01:00:44.960 all of the things that will take control of this committee and expect them to reveal to the

01:00:50.960 American people all the lies that they've been told, all the cover ups that the DOJ and this committee

01:00:58.480 have engaged in. And so they need to turn the tables and they need to file ethics violations

01:01:05.920 against people like Representative Sherrill, the woman, Congress, Democratic Congresswoman, 0.85

01:01:11.520 who accused her Republican colleagues of conducting reconnaissance tours the day before

01:01:17.440 to scope out the Capitol and help the insurrectionists the next day. Something that we know now is a total

01:01:25.440 lie. In fact, Capitol Police, in a rare moment of candor this week, issued a letter saying that there was no

01:01:31.680 evidence based on the videos that they've seen, that especially Representative Loudermilk, who was accused of

01:01:37.840 conducting one of these recon tours. There's no evidence to support it. So they need to go after

01:01:44.080 these committee members for, again, people like Adam Schiff, once again misleading the American people

01:01:51.120 into believing a lie. And they need to question people like Nancy Pelosi and her staff, like Mitch McConnell

01:01:58.800 and his staff, D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser, the FBI, Capitol Police. Why did you leave the Capitol

01:02:05.760 unprotected? Where are all your records and communications? Why did you reject, please, for

01:02:11.680 National Guards troops? Why did you reject Donald Trump's offer of thousands of National Guardsmen?

01:02:16.640 So there are all of these questions. I talk about it in my book. I've talked about it in my recent

01:02:20.960 reporting that we need to find out. By the way, Allie, where's the pipe bomber? Remember that big story

01:02:27.040 that somebody allegedly, a Trump supporter reportedly,

01:02:30.080 set pipe bombs near the Capitol outside the headquarters of the RNC and DNC the night before?

01:02:37.040 Here we are almost 18 months later, and the pipe bomb story has completely disappeared. They haven't

01:02:42.960 identified the person. The suspect certainly has not been charged. That led to a lot of panic that day.

01:02:49.280 That led to the first evacuation of House buildings because those buildings are close to Capitol Hill,

01:02:55.520 on Capitol Hill. So where's the pipe bomber? Where's the investigation the FBI said that it

01:03:00.880 was going to conduct into the pipe bomber? Was that just another hoax? And so this is what this committee,

01:03:07.440 this is what House Republicans have to do, have to do when they take control. Will they?

01:03:13.200 It's highly unlikely unless the base just keeps pushing and forcing their representatives to confront

01:03:19.840 what I think is an even bigger fraud against the American people than the Russiagate hoax.

01:03:24.880 I mean, it's such it's almost it seems like an insurmountable task and obstacle because you're not just talking

01:03:33.040 about January 6th. I mean, you are talking about the entire system. Like it's an entire system

01:03:40.160 system that is that has grown over years and years of neglect and even nefarious intent,

01:03:47.920 I would say, by both Republicans and Democrats that have so much power and have set themselves

01:03:55.200 against the people of the United States because of their political opinions, because of their dissent.

01:04:02.480 And again, that's not saying that we are against prosecuting people who broke the law,

01:04:06.640 or that's not saying that we are against justice for people who actually committed to violence in

01:04:11.120 any instance, no matter where a riot took place. It is simply saying that we believe in impartial

01:04:18.400 justice. We believe in true justice. We believe in due process. We believe in proportionality

01:04:23.520 when it comes to sentencing. And when it comes to this particular instance and this particular day,

01:04:29.840 the people of the United States are not receiving those things that are supposed to be our rights

01:04:36.240 as Americans, no matter your political beliefs. And as you described earlier, that is a travesty. 1.00

01:04:42.560 That's a travesty. And I'm very thankful to you. Gosh, there's more that I want to talk about. We do

01:04:47.920 have to close out. One more thing, and it might be kind of a weird place to end, but because I see it in

01:04:54.720 my document, and you mentioned it earlier, I think this is an interesting point. You did,

01:04:58.960 you talked about the possibility of FBI agents infiltrating the people who are in January 6th.

01:05:04.000 Then you also mentioned on Tucker Carlson's show that Ryan Kelly, who has, who has been charged with

01:05:10.880 misdemeanor for his role in January 6th, he's a Michigan gubernatorial candidate. You believe that

01:05:15.760 he was targeted by the same group of FBI agents, undercover agents and informants who we know now

01:05:22.080 did concoct the Whitmer kidnapping hoax, that it wasn't a bunch of like, you know,

01:05:26.800 right-wing activists, as the media originally told us. That was orchestrated by the FBI.

01:05:30.800 You think that Ryan Kelly and people on January 6th were targeted by those same people, right?

01:05:35.920 I absolutely do. And I also invite people to read my reporting on the Whitmer kidnapping hoax. As you

01:05:42.240 know, Ellie, that has completely disappeared from the headlines. Two men were acquitted after their

01:05:47.040 defense attorneys successfully convinced a jury that they had been entrapped by the FBI.

01:05:52.000 Two men received a hung jury. But this was completely fabricated and executed by the FBI. Now,

01:05:59.040 in the criminal complaint against Ryan Kelly, it cites a confidential FBI confidential human source

01:06:04.880 who is working on a domestic terror investigation in Michigan in 2020. That would be the Whitmer 0.93

01:06:11.520 kidnapping hoax. So it looks like now this confidential source ID'd Ryan Kelly in a group photo of the

01:06:20.400 Capitol protest. Why would they need a cap? But why would they need an FBI informant to do that?

01:06:25.760 Ryan Kelly never denied that he was at the Capitol protest. He's talked about it. This same informant

01:06:31.200 became an informant for the FBI on the January 6th investigation. So it looks like because Ryan Kelly

01:06:38.080 was protesting Gretchen Whitmer's lockdown policies in Michigan in the spring of 2020, exactly what some of

01:06:46.400 these men accused in this hoax were doing. He also was in connect in communication with one of the men who

01:06:52.560 faces still faces state charges for what we now know is an FBI host, go figure. But at any rate, he was in

01:06:59.600 contact with one of those men as well. So I'm doing some more research into this. But it certainly looks like

01:07:04.720 Ryan Kelly was on the FBI's radar for at least the past two years. And why again, when they knew back

01:07:11.520 in January of 2021, they have it in the criminal complaint that Ryan Kelly was there, he was ID'd by

01:07:16.560 this informant the end of January 2021. Why did they wait till the day of the January 6th committee

01:07:22.320 hearing to arrest him and charge him with misdemeanor trespassing charges? Again, more collaboration between

01:07:29.120 the DOJ, the media and this committee. Wow. But I will be doing more reporting on Ryan Kelly.

01:07:35.360 Well, good. I then maybe that's a good place to leave it because I hope that leads people to follow

01:07:39.840 you and to read the reporting that you've already done and continue to follow the reporting that you're

01:07:44.160 going to do. Thank you so much for taking the time to come on and talk to us today. I appreciate you.

01:07:49.920 I know sometimes maybe it feels like you are, you know, a voice crying out in the wilderness,

01:07:54.240 like you're the only person that has kind of been leading the charge on this. But we have seen that

01:07:59.600 one voice then joined by other voices can actually make a difference, at least in raising awareness

01:08:05.360 about this. So thank you so much. Hopefully we'll be able to have you back on. This,

01:08:09.520 of course, will be developing as you've already mentioned. Thanks.

01:08:12.400 Sure. Thanks, Ellie. Thanks so much.

01:08:17.200 All right, guys, thank you so much for listening to that conversation. I hope it gave you food for

01:08:21.280 thought. Tomorrow I will be talking to my dad in honor of Father's Day, which is this weekend. I

01:08:26.400 know you guys are going to love that conversation. Just a reminder, once again, we are going to be

01:08:30.960 taking another summer break next week. There will be one new episode that will come out. I know I

01:08:34.960 originally said two, one new episode. Maybe we'll play some replays. We'll let you guys know about that.

01:08:39.840 I'll probably still be on Instagram some, especially if anything exciting happens. Thank you guys so

01:08:44.880 much for listening to the podcast. Leave us a five-star review if you love it. Check out our merch,

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 15, 2022

Ep 630 ｜ January 6th： The Scary, Secret Truth ｜ Guest： Julie Kelly

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