Ep 636 ｜ How BDSM, Porn, & Pedophilia Are Tied to Transgender Ideology ｜ Guest： Genevieve Gluck
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Summary
In this episode, Allie talks about the dangers of pornography and sexual perversion within the LGBTQ+ community, and how we need to speak the truth about it. She is joined by journalist Genevieve Gelluck to discuss the deep, dark wounds inflicted by the radical gender ideology that has taken our culture captive.
Transcript
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Okay guys, I've got a really big and important interview for you today. I'm just going to go
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ahead and warn you. Do not listen to this interview out loud around your kids. All right? This is for
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you to listen to and watch maybe with your spouse so you can discuss it or maybe with the women in
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your Bible study. If you are a teenager who listens to this podcast, I love that you're here. This is
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a very mature subject that I would really encourage you, if you would, to have your parent listen to
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first or just to skip over it. I'm not even sure if it's necessary for you to listen to or watch. I
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know I don't really have control over that, but I'm going to do the best I can to put this kind of
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filter in front of you and say that we are talking about some explicit things, some things that I
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wish we didn't have to talk about because they're so disturbing. They really make me want to cry.
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But the reason why I'm so desperate for you to listen to this conversation,
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the reason why I'm doing this conversation in this interview is because I want us to see and
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to stare in the face the darkness and the depravity that is underneath the gender ideology,
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the radical gender ideology that has taken our culture captive. I want you to see that when it
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comes to this subject, we are dealing with evil. We are dealing with people who are perpetrating evil
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and people who are victims of evil. Sometimes those are the same people. We're going to be talking
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about pornography. We are going to be talking about pornography's role and sexual perversion's role
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in all of this. We're going to be talking about BDSM and how that is inextricably intertwined with this movement
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as taboo, as controversial as that is to say. This is largely, when it comes to the involvement of adult men
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in this sexual in nature, predatory in nature. It is important that we recognize that. That is not an
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unloving thing to say. Actually, the most loving thing that we can do is to speak the truth about
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this because we are talking about the victimization in particular of women and children. If you care about
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so-called social justice, if you care about equality, if you care about true equity, if you care about
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the least of these, if you care about the vulnerable and the marginalized, you need to care about this
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and you need to open your eyes and ears to the truth of what is really going on here. I know it's easy
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to just add some colors to the rainbow flag and call it a day and to just latch on to every new
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cultural, social movement that happens and call yourself inclusive and tolerant. But this moment
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calls for a lot of critical thinking. It calls for explicit clarity and it calls for courage,
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especially on the part of Christians. So one of the reasons why I'm talking about this is that
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I think that it is biblical to talk about this. So there is a passage in Ephesians 5 that I think
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is pertinent to this. Take no part, 511, take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness,
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for it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed
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by the light, it becomes visible for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore, it says,
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awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead and Christ will shine on you. And you know what? Let me
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back up just a little bit because I also think that the verses before this matter. So let me go to verse
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6. Let no one deceive you with empty words. For because of these things, the wrath of God
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comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore, do not become partners with them. For at one time you
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were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. So walk of children as children of light,
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for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true. And try to discern what
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is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose
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them. Whatever is shown by the light becomes visible. For anything that becomes visible is light.
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So that is what I venture to do in this conversation that I am about to have with someone who describes
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yourself as a feminist. That means that we probably disagree on a lot of political issues, but on this,
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I'm happy to link arms with her. And she is an incredible reporter, very smart, very insightful,
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especially when it comes to the subject. And she has really fearlessly investigated into the roots and
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into the organization of transgender ideology and how that is affecting women and children. So we are
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joined today by a woman named Genevieve Gluck. She's a journalist at the site Redux, and she is
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going to talk to us about her research and what it has revealed, just the depths of depravity here.
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And I want you at any point that you need to, to pause and to pray, to take a breath. But I also want
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you to share this episode. I want you to share this episode with as many people as possible. People who are
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on the fence, people who are confused, people who just need to be woken up to this. If this is something,
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if this is an ideology that is being pushed on your kids, whether it's through Disney, the shows that
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they're watching, the videos that they're watching, the school that they're attending, the curriculum
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that they're learning, you need to wake up to the reality of what is going on. This is serious, serious
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stuff, as serious as it gets. So let's care about this. Let's speak up about this, as our friend Genevieve
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Gluck does so well. And I'm excited for you to hear this, to listen to this, to watch this, and then to do
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something about it and turn around and share it with other people. Maybe one of the most important
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episodes and interviews that I have ever done. Genevieve, thank you so much for joining us.
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Could you tell everyone who you are and what you do?
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Sure. Yeah. So my name is Genevieve Gluck, and I'm a feminist essayist and researcher. I have been
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writing about issues that pertain to women's rights for several years now, I think, starting around
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like 2017. And I have written some essays about this topic. But in particular, I started a website
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this year with my friend Anna Slatz called Redux. And we've been using that platform to focus on
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how gender identity is in conflict in many ways with the rights of women and the rights of children.
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And you hear a lot that feminists are silent about this issue of gender ideology. Whenever there's a
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story that comes out of a trans-identified male inmate going into a woman's prison or beating a girl in
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an athletic competition, you hear, where are the feminists? The feminists are silent. Why are the
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feminists on board with this? But that's obviously not true. It's not just your outlet, but there are
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other feminist outlets, too, that are pushing against this ideology. Does that ever get frustrating
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when people accuse kind of feminists? It's so frustrating.
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Yeah, I know Megan Murphy, who you've talked with last year, has the same problem. So she was banned from
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Twitter for talking about this. But, you know, part of the problem is that whenever women do talk
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about it, we get so much backlash and even get censored. So even the backlash itself could be
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discouraging people from talking about it. But, you know, there are a lot of feminists who
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unfortunately have to be anonymous online for this very reason, because of the threat to their job,
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And then there are professing feminists, especially like mainstream Hollywood feminists,
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who do say that they are totally on board with gender ideology. They don't see any conflict in
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a man who identifies a woman as a woman playing on a female sports team or going into a female locker
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room or prison. They think that's just inclusive and fine. What do you make of that?
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I mean, you know, it's hard to say. It's different for everybody. But obviously,
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there's an immense amount of social pressure to go along with this, because going against this has
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been portrayed as being against human rights, which I would actually argue is not the case at all.
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But, you know, it's popular. It's trendy, even it's become something of a cool thing and cool issue.
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You know, recently I was talking to a mother who had a detransitioned daughter, and she even said
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so that with the children in school, that this is something that's cool and that being quote unquote
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cis is very boring or seen as old fashioned. So there's that as well.
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Oh, that's really, really sad. I mean, Abigail Schreier, who I know that you're familiar with,
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she wrote the book Irreversible Damage. We had her on the podcast at the time,
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and she looks at the research that shows the social contagion aspect, especially for a lot
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of young women who are caught in all kinds of social contagions, probably for all of history.
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And this just happens to be one and a very physically and psychologically damaging one at that.
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Tell me a little bit more about, I mean, we've gone back and forth about this a lot,
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but about your research as it pertains to kind of the origins of this kind of gender ideology,
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and then how it's gotten to the point that you just described, where it's almost cool in some
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circles. It's almost a trend. I mean, how in the world did we get here?
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Yeah. But I guess I would put it somewhere along the axis of, you know, sexology and academia in
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sexology, as well as in pornography. And I see them as intersecting with each other.
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But if you look at the history of sexology, there's been this growing push to
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de-stigmatize certain fetishes, which are technically called paraphilias, right? And so
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in the past, until very recently, actually, this sort of behavior that we see in adult men of,
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you know, calling themselves girls or wanting to be seen as girls or as women was understood to be
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fetishistic in nature. And it was called things like transvestic fetishism or transsexualism as
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well, depending on the extent to which someone would go through with living through this fantasy.
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So the idea just to be kind of explicit for people who don't know,
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when you say fetish, it used to be understood that men who dress up as girls, that it was,
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they would get sexually aroused from that kind of thing. And now it's seen as an identity.
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Exactly. Exactly. Yes. Now it's taboo to talk about that, even though
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they will openly talk about that in their own forums throughout Reddit or, you know,
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anywhere that this issue is being discussed online, it's quite apparent. And that was actually
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one of the things that led me to look further into this was because it was so out in the open.
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And yet, if you talk about it, you're deemed to be somewhat crazy or making it up or blowing it out
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of proportion. So yeah, there's that fetishistic element. And the way I see it is, as this becomes
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normalized through society, as the push to normalize this, this fetish goes further, it extends on to
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women and children. So by using women and children as the conduit, this, this typically male behavior
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can become normalized and accepted through society. And that goes along with the pornography as well.
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So pornography viewership has just skyrocketed immensely, obviously, with streaming pornography.
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And so one thing that you have with pornography consumption is the tendency to need to seek out
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greater and more shocking content to elicit the same thrill. So then you have you enter into this
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area of body modification. So initially, that would have been women getting really large breast implants
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or what have you to to heighten the the unnatural aspect and to keep pushing the boundaries as it
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were further and further. And then you have, well, this isn't my term for it. But technically,
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it's called tranny porn online, which is the the aspect of the male as the female. So when you have those
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things combined, the the sexualization of body modification, and then pushing for more and more extreme
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thrills, you have this going on behind closed doors. And then it's seeping into the public sphere. Yes,
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that's my take on it. Yeah, there. So there are so many questions that I have within that. And I do want
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to make sure that we come back to the pornography question. This is something that you have written
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about before that you've investigated and uncovered. But to go back kind of to the origins of sexology,
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kind of I mean, I know, it's before the 60s and 70s. But it seems like that one kind of is when it
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became more institutionalized, especially in academia, if you're looking at someone like Alfred
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Kinsey, or you're looking at someone like John Money, that's almost when it seems like at least it became
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acceptable to make these kinds of suggestions that, well, maybe pedophilia is just they would say
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some kind of sexual orientation, or maybe it is possible, as we saw with the experiment that Dr.
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Money did on the Reimer twins, to just basically castrate a boy, raise him as a girl, all will be
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well. And of course, we know that he actually conducted sexual experiments between those two boys, they
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ended up growing up and committing suicide. And then Alfred Kinsey and all of his perverted ideas
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of sex and gender. It was the 60s, it seems like that kind of form of what they would call sexual
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liberation came into being. And it was like an academic and intellectual label was slapped on it.
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So it kind of became normalized. But only recently, as you're kind of saying now, has it become
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mainstream, as bad ideas often do, they seep down from academia, into the mainstream. And now we are
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seeing, as you're saying, it become kind of this identity that you're not allowed to push back on.
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And is your argument or from your investigation, are you saying that it went from this kind of
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esoteric academic idea into the mainstream, through the prevalence of pornography? Like, is that the
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connector? You know, a lot can and should be said about the role of academia in this. But it's also
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important to notice that the organizing that has been going on behind the scenes as well, that's been
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at a more grassroots level. And when I say that, I'm talking about certain societies within the U.S. that
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were being formed in the 60s and 70s, cross-dressing organizations. So in particular,
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Virginia Charles Prince is a man who created, well, one publication he created was called Transvestia,
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but he also created these lobbying organizations that were spreading through across the U.S.
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And what these organizations were was essentially fetishistic cross-dressing and lobbying politicians
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to have this normalized into the mainstream. So that was going on towards the end of the 60s,
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early 70s. And Prince himself, notably, it should be mentioned, he took the tactics of the LGB movement
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of the time. So he actually kind of piggybacked off of what they were doing,
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talking, talked about going to their meetings and observing them in order to get their contacts,
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as he put it. And so I really see what happened through the 60s to 70s as this fetishistic attachment
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onto a human rights movement. And we're seeing that, unfortunately, again, in my opinion,
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in a scale that's just unprecedented. Right, right. And I want to hear more about
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the pornography aspect that you have mentioned here, or that you mentioned a few minutes ago,
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because you talked about what is referred to, not your term, but I guess just what is referred
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to online. It's tranny porn. But there's also something that you've written about called sissy porn.
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And you talk about its prevalence and how it has also affected the normalization of this idea that
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a man can identify as not just a woman, but a girl. Like that's something that we're seeing on TikTok.
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There's a very popular TikTok influencer who is a grown man with a five o'clock shadow, who is a who
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says that he is now experiencing a girl and he is not seen as a creep by people. He is seen as someone
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that like people applaud and love and will follow. So this is normal. But you're saying some of this
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came from something called sissy porn. So what the heck is that? And how did that infiltrate into
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mainstream society? Well, I'm sorry to have to explain this. I know. We've already told people
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at the beginning that this is like, this is a disturbing and explicit conversation, unfortunately,
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but I do think it's important to kind of expose just like the darkness that's underneath all of this.
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So sissy porn is actually a sub genre of a much broader genre, which is called forced
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feminization pornography that revolves around eroticizing humiliation, particularly of men
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being humiliated by being turned into metaphorically turned into women by being forced to wear lingerie,
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put on makeup or take on the submissive sexual role, I guess you could say. So that's a much
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broader umbrella that has other types of things under it. But so sissy porn falls under that category.
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And it also has different types. So there are audiophiles, for example, that are just focused on
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listening. That's called sissy hypno, which it's exactly as it says, it's meant to hypnotize the listener
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into believing that they actually are a woman through repeated mantras and sexualized dialogue,
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not even dialogue, it's often monologue, saying things like you are a girl, you always have been
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a girl, you are a good girl, you're very submissive, things like this. That's the audiophiles. But then
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there's also things called sissy captions, which are photographs usually of real women in pornography that
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the man has then written some kind of story along the side of them to go with them. This one's
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particularly disturbing, in my opinion, because I have seen cases where men have taken photos of
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children and written things of sexual nature alongside them. So that's disturbing on its own,
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right? But also the fact that nothing legally can be done to take those images down, even though
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they're someone else's children. And yeah, so in general, it's just this concept of being forced
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to be turned into a woman, and then the male viewer finding that arousing. So I've actually been
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speaking with some men who are trying to give up pornography in general, but also who specifically
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had an addiction to sissy pornography, which they have described as, you know, weapons grade mind control,
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they say it's somehow it's even worse, in terms of addiction than than what they would call mainstream
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pornography, because it has this, this taboo or extreme element to it, and incorporates your lifestyle.
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So you're then encouraged to start doing these things on your own, such as dressing up, or they even give
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you challenges that you're supposed to do, such as going out in public to do things. And so the men who
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have spoken to me, were very honest about all of this and saying that they wanted to quit, but also
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that, that it's unlike, it's unlike anything that they had ever experienced before, in terms of how
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it altered their, their perception of themselves. Wow. And so do you think that this has to do with
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kind of the what seems like the growing prevalence of men suddenly saying when they are adults, like,
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I mean, men who have been men for several decades, and then they decide that they want to identify
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as a woman, like, do you think that this type of pornography is affecting that or leading to that
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in any way? 100%. I don't think it's in 100% of cases, but absolutely, it is having an impact. And I know
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that because I've actually spoken with some women while I talked to a woman who was in the pornography
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industry. And she, she spoke about this in particular, the, the sissification aspect, which,
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you know, really what this is, is, is sadomasochism. So, so just for a moment, let me break that down.
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So when you have this behavior, this fetishistic behavior, it's, it, that involves a man pretending
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to be a woman, it's actually the, uh, sexualization of humiliation and the, the thrill in lowering
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one's status as it were. So that's the masochistic element involved. And like, so the woman's
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submissiveness that they perceive is attached to the feminine identity. Exactly right. Yeah. So the
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woman I talked to was sort of in the BDSM scene and she personally witnessed, um, men who were
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initially involved in, in certain BDSM activities, then declaring themselves to be transgender.
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So the BDSM-5, um, says that gender dysphoria, true gender dysphoria is the persistent, insistent,
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consistent feeling of being in the wrong body, of having the wrong gender. And we're simultaneously
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told by transgender ideologues that a child knows their gender identity at two years old. So if they
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find, you know, interests that are typical to, um, the other sex, then maybe they're transgender,
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or if they don't want to wear, you know, dresses and they were born a girl, they might be transgender,
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but simultaneously we're told it's just as legitimate for someone who has lived as a girl,
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lived as a boy their whole lives to suddenly, when they're either a teenager or when they're adult,
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to realize that they really are the opposite sex. Um, do you think in general, not just with men
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suddenly declaring that as adults, but the entire kind of transgender as adult movement or kind of,
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uh, popularity has grown. Do you think that has to do with this kind of sissification that we're
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seeing in pornography or those things connected in general?
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Well, one problem with this is that it's not being researched. Um, well, that's a big problem
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with the whole gender identity movement in general, because it's just, you're just supposed to take it
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at its word and, and it's entirely objective depending on what someone says. But with the
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sissification, um, I have seen anecdotally stories, for example, of young boys who started
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looking at this kind of content when they were very young, uh, I mean, young, young, like 11,
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12, 13, and then that leading down the pathway of being confused about their bodies, their gender,
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um, you know, sex actually with their sexed bodies. So, um, uh, and that's also another problem is that
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it's not actually gender, is it? It's got to do with the body. So when we talk about having these
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feelings of gender dysphoria, what we're actually, or should be discussing is body dysmorphia, the
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feeling of, of being at illities with your body, um, genders is something else. And, um, I would
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argue that many people feel illities with gender, but specifically feeling illities with your body and
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pornography is known to induce that actually. So research has shown that even specifically in,
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in men, um, feelings of dysmorphia about their genitalia, which is one of the so-called indicators
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of gender identity disorder. Well, that makes a lot of sense. If you're seeing something that doesn't
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really match reality, um, and it's distorted in some way, whether it's amplified or someone is playing
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a role, whatever it is, of course, that is going to affect how you see yourself and how you see
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yourself in the mirror. I mean, just think about, we've seen studies as well of girls having forms of
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body dysmorphia when it comes to their facial features, because of the filters that are used
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on TikTok that are used on Instagram. So if that is true, when it comes to just looking at your face
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and then being disappointed, when you look at the mirror, think about when it's something as intimate
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and not just psychological, but physiological and, um, and, and physical as well as looking at
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pornography, that is going to affect how you see yourself and not just that, not just your body,
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but also your identity and your entire life. I think people really minimize the impact that
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pornography has not just on an individual's mind, but then it also has the power to kind of shape
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society and how a society views sex and so-called gender. And I think you're right. Not enough people
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are exploring this link. It's taboo. You're seen as prude. You're seen as, you know, anti-fun or anti-sex
00:27:33.460
in general. In order to be sex positive, you have to just say, yay, pornography. Um, but you're really
00:27:38.840
calling out that, I mean, this is having some very serious effects on people's lives.
00:27:44.820
Yeah, it's, it's a bit frustrating too, because even, um, among women I know who, who criticize
00:27:50.620
pornography, this particular issue is not really on the table, you know, and I understand that everyone
00:27:56.640
has to choose their own, uh, fight, I guess, and pick what they're going to stand for. But the, the impact
00:28:04.240
that I believe that this is having on identity is huge and really needs to be talked about more.
00:28:11.160
Um, we, we have seen too, uh, a detransitioner who spoke about this. So Helena had written a post
00:28:17.080
about how Tumblr porn had had an influence on her decision to, well, to declare herself to be a boy,
00:28:24.860
I guess you would say. Um, so it's shaping children's perceptions of who they should be, uh, what they
00:28:33.540
should look like, how they should act, what young girls are supposed to be doing. Um, the, the extreme
00:28:39.740
sexualization involved in pornography that harms girls, girls' self-image. And then they go on to
00:28:45.880
say, I must not really be a girl because I don't want that. I don't want to do that.
00:28:50.560
Mm-hmm. And if anyone doubts that the sexualization and the different subsets of pornography
00:28:58.200
are affecting what the world thinks about transgender ideology, and not only that, but
00:29:03.600
actually the so-called treatments that are giving to, that are given to kids who call themselves
00:29:08.640
transgender, they can learn more about your research into the World Professional Association,
00:29:14.420
uh, for transgender health, which is what I want to talk to you about now. We've kind of gone back and
00:29:20.660
forth about this, um, for a little while, but what you found is really that this organization
00:29:27.700
that is publishing the standards of care for so-called transgender youth, they're getting
00:29:33.220
some of their information, some of their research from like online pornography groups and fetish, uh,
00:29:40.560
fetish groups, right. That are fetishizing the castration of children. Is that correct?
00:29:45.420
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm, unfortunately it is correct. Yeah. Um, so I started to look into this
00:29:51.980
issue around December, uh, when WPATH, let me back up, let me explain what WPATH is for those who don't
00:29:59.380
know, because this is hugely important. And I think we need to start taking our fight to WPATH. We need to
00:30:06.380
shift our focus maybe so much from the politicians and not too much, but we need to start looking at the
00:30:12.520
medical professionals who are at the top, um, in order to then have an influence on the politicians,
00:30:18.280
because in many regards, the politicians are following what WPATH is saying. And so the World
00:30:25.000
Professional Association for Transgender Health recommends certain guidelines and protocols,
00:30:29.640
which are used internationally, including those that involve the transitioning of children.
00:30:35.700
So first of all, that's very important. Um, second of all, the investigation that I did was,
00:30:41.780
I started around December when they announced their new standards of care document. Within that
00:30:47.560
document, they had made a reference to a website that I recognized from my own research, which was
00:30:53.700
called the Eunuch Archive, which is basically a, a, a fetish forum, I guess. So it's, it's where people
00:31:02.780
would post, uh, stories of an extreme sadomasochistic nature that involve castration in particular. Um,
00:31:11.260
and nearly half of the stories on that site involve the castration of children, the sexualizing of the
00:31:18.360
castration of children, torture, snuff, I mean, sexual abuse of, of an extreme graphic detail. It's hard for me to
00:31:27.100
overstate it because, you know, I had to look at some of these things and I, I, it made me feel ill. Um, we're talking
00:31:33.080
about stories about doctors intentionally castrating children in order to keep them in a childlike
00:31:38.800
state. Uh, Nazis, like Nazis are a part of this fantasy and pornography. So these men are reading,
00:31:46.120
depicting stories of Nazis, basically castrating young boys. They're getting off on that.
00:31:51.960
Yes. Yes. Um, and it's all behind a password, uh, protected part of the site, which I was able to
00:32:01.520
get into. So it's quite clear that they know that this content is, I mean, they even warned that it
00:32:07.940
might be illegal in your jurisdiction. So they're based in the U S and unfortunately this type of
00:32:12.700
content is legal. So that was done in a Supreme court decision in 2002 called Ashcroft versus the
00:32:19.260
free speech coalition. So basically the pornography lobby of the U S allowed for this to happen. Um,
00:32:26.000
anyway, the point that I want to make that I want everyone to really understand is that the
00:32:31.260
administrators of this site were selected by W path leaders beginning as early as 2009 to come and speak
00:32:40.240
at their conferences and influence policies and influence standards of care. But not only that to
00:32:46.780
influence the DSM five, so the diagnostic and statistic manual for mental disorders. So these
00:32:53.640
people who are writing these awful stories involving harming children in unspeakable ways, um,
00:33:01.440
specifically castrating them and then having them involved in, in saying what is and isn't a mental
00:33:08.940
disorder. So somewhere around that. And it's not just the castration. I just want to emphasize that
00:33:13.820
these people, many of them are actually pedophiles. The thing that they are also fetishizing is not
00:33:19.240
just the castration and the gender mutilation, but also this idea, which reminds me of something else
00:33:24.960
that you've reported on, um, this idea of a child being frozen in their adolescence. They are also
00:33:32.880
fetishizing that. So once again, we see the link, um, to pedophilia. It reminds me of also what you've said
00:33:40.400
about the guy who came up with the transgender flag, who used to write this kind of pornography and this
00:33:47.980
kind of fantasy of little, of being a little girl and staying a little girl and being frozen in this
00:33:56.400
childlike state. So we're not just talking about one example of a few random people in this eunuch archive
00:34:02.340
being pedophiles and getting off on this kind of stuff. This unfortunately is pretty prevalent when
00:34:07.940
you're looking at the roots of this ideology and movement, as you are also proving in their connection
00:34:13.780
to this mainstream transgender organization. Right. So I want to respond to a couple of things. So the
00:34:20.740
first thing is that I think that this overlap that you're talking about exists because what you have is
00:34:26.000
not so much a transgender umbrella, you have a sadomasochism umbrella and under sadomasochism, uh, anything
00:34:32.160
goes really. And so as I've described before, basically the, the humiliation and the masochistic
00:34:38.520
fetish of the man being reduced to the woman's status, that obviously falls under sadomasochism,
00:34:44.080
um, as does pedophilia. So they're, they're in the same family, I guess you could say. Uh, that's why
00:34:52.600
the overlap is so prevalent. And that's why the overlap will always be there and it cannot be removed.
00:34:58.800
Um, it just goes, you know, the fetishism goes further and further, um, tends to escalate over
00:35:04.860
time anyway. Um, but the other thing I wanted to say before we move to the trans flag is again,
00:35:12.720
I just really think it's so important to, to say that W path was involved in this. I proved it. Uh,
00:35:19.980
anyone who's curious to know more about that can look at the reports that I did for Redux. Um,
00:35:25.060
there's two of them and I named some of the academics who were behind this website. Um,
00:35:29.960
I actually personally got an email from one of them that was quite angry, but also confirmed what
00:35:35.940
I was saying. Um, so it's, it's, it's crucial that people not look this over or think it's too
00:35:44.520
shocking to talk about because we need to bring this to the front door of W path and we need to do
00:35:50.260
something about this. Um, but I will go on to talk about the trans flag now. So, well, no, let's,
00:35:56.340
let's talk about this a little bit more deeply. I know I kind of took us off on a tangent there,
00:36:00.180
but I do want to make sure as you're saying that people really understand what's going on here.
00:36:04.140
And I want to ask some specific questions about this. Um, who is Dr. Krister Hill doll
00:36:13.400
Okay. So I have two articles that I wrote about this and in the first one I named Krister Willett
00:36:21.920
and then in the other, I was able to name two other academics. So in total three. So Willett is
00:36:28.500
one of three academics who are main site administrators for the UNIC archive, uh, and have
00:36:36.860
been for over 20 years. Now, this website was initially hosted on an extreme body modification
00:36:47.200
pornography site that was called BME and it was hosted in Canada. So these men actually were, uh,
00:36:55.900
well, I can say at least one of them was speaking with the host of the BME site and then he was hosting
00:37:03.280
the UNIC archive and then on it, um, various, um, various pornographic content related to genital
00:37:08.980
mutilation. Um, then they launched their own site to, to use the written stories, uh, to collect the
00:37:17.000
written stories. Sorry. And Willett is one of them. Willett has been involved with the website for over
00:37:22.420
20 years and he was there at the very beginning. The other one is Dr. Tom Johnson and the other is
00:37:29.300
Richard Wassersag. Um, Johnson is an academic in California and Wassersag is from Canada or was a
00:37:37.240
professor in Canada, I should say. Anyway, so these three men were involved in taking research
00:37:43.840
surveys that they specifically conducted with members and participants of the fetish forum,
00:37:49.000
the UNIC archive. They took that research and presented it at WPATH conferences beginning in 2009.
00:37:56.160
So the first one was a conference in Oslo. This conference, by the way, is the one that is where
00:38:04.040
the decision was made to change gender identity from a disorder to, to dysphoria. It was this conference
00:38:12.340
in Oslo in 2009 that that happened and they were in attendance there. So I think that that's really
00:38:18.460
important. And then as I mentioned, uh, Johnson, the, the academic from California, uh, had a hand in
00:38:26.040
editing the DSM five. And what about Eli Coleman? He is also an academic. He is, from my understanding,
00:38:32.120
a professor at the university of Minnesota. He's also connected to this.
00:38:37.600
Right. So the UNIC archive members have a meetup every year and they have been for nearly 20 years
00:38:44.340
now. And Eli Coleman is based in Minneapolis where they hold their gatherings. Uh, Eli Coleman was a
00:38:51.400
former president of WPATH and was the lead, uh, lead executive chair on drafting the new standards
00:39:00.360
of care document. And he specifically reached out to Tom Johnson, the academic I'd mentioned previously
00:39:07.620
in order to help him devise these new standards of care. So there is an obvious and stated connection
00:39:15.340
between the two of them working together. Uh, I don't know exactly how long that connection has been
00:39:20.740
going on. I know it must be since at least 2016. I would probably put it earlier at somewhere around
00:39:26.260
2009 when they first attended the Oslo conference. And WPATH also just announced recently that hormones
00:39:35.040
could be started for kids who apparently identify as transgender, even younger than before age 14,
00:39:41.700
rather than age 15 or 17. Obviously that's disturbing for a whole host of ethical reasons,
00:39:47.080
but understanding where they are getting some of their inspiration and direction from the very
00:39:51.480
people who fetishize, um, the kind of freezing in time of adolescence, which is exactly what puberty
00:39:58.920
walkers do. That's exactly what in some cases these cross-sex hormones do. Understanding that they are
00:40:04.500
getting their direction from the people who are actually getting off on that kind of thing. I mean,
00:40:10.940
It is. Yeah. I mean, I don't really know what to say that I, I've, I've actually seen on Twitter
00:40:17.860
when I was looking into the sissy porn stuff, sorry, but, um, I actually saw
00:40:24.200
kind of CSA that was posted there, um, referencing puberty blockers, which Twitter was very quick to
00:40:34.140
take that down when I reported it, but that's good. That's, that is good. But in general, they're not,
00:40:40.840
usually. So no, no, they're absolutely not. And I just am thinking about how difficult it probably
00:40:46.720
was for your mind and for your heart to kind of have to inundate yourself with all of this
00:40:52.160
disturbing darkness. I think we like to think that this kind of stuff doesn't exist. And, and wow,
00:40:57.620
when you think about the fact that this whole thing has been attached to LGB and it's just been
00:41:04.580
added onto the rainbow, like without any kind of critical thinking or consideration, I mean,
00:41:09.180
you've got all of these mainstream corporations that are just kind of adding it on to pride and
00:41:16.020
are just accepting this idea that it's this irreversible identity, that there's nothing fishy
00:41:20.680
about it. And there's no kind of questions that you can ask about it. I mean, that is some pretty
00:41:26.520
successful to, for a lack of a better term, marketing and work on the side of transgender
00:41:33.580
activism. It's, it's, I mean, it's happened so fast. It almost makes your head spin. Even in all
00:41:38.700
of your explanations of this, it's still hard for me to understand how in just the last five to 10 years,
00:41:44.920
it has become so mainstream and so accepted and so taboo to ask the questions that you're asking,
00:41:53.520
which is simply, where did this come from and what is pushing it?
00:41:57.160
Hmm. Yeah, there, there has been a lot of things going on behind the scenes, uh, as well that we
00:42:05.120
haven't been seeing in the public eye, lots of mobilizing. Um, I did want to mention that, you
00:42:11.700
know, I see this as something of a parallel between the sort of movements that were happening in the
00:42:16.380
sixties and seventies that you had mentioned before of, uh, for example, the push to normalize
00:42:21.640
pedophilia, because that was also something that was going on, uh, kind of behind the scenes with
00:42:27.600
these, these special interest groups that they organized very well. And that was before the
00:42:32.740
internet, you know, you've got to imagine that the capability to organize has just been, um,
00:42:38.900
heightened exponentially recently. And I have started looking into the history of, for example,
00:42:45.700
Usenet. So Usenet being a sort of closed forum of what we would consider early social media. And then
00:42:53.420
there are extreme fetish groups there that have been organizing, um, as well. I I I'm exploring that
00:43:00.940
avenue because I strongly suspect that some of the early organizing was going on through Usenet. And,
00:43:08.860
um, well, when you have a group of people who have a shared interest in, in, in predatory interest,
00:43:15.260
they, they tend to work very hard to get what they want.
00:43:29.940
I mean, it's kind of hard to deny that this is happening when you're seeing some of the
00:43:34.520
recent stories, um, that have come out that you've been reporting on. I mean, there are some
00:43:40.160
terrible and just such disturbing examples that you, um, have talked about recently. One of them
00:43:46.540
headline from Redux, which is sadistic killer with a blood fetish transferred to New Jersey
00:43:51.840
women's prison. Um, he's a male convict. He admitted to killing a prostitute woman to satisfy
00:43:58.280
a blood fetish. He has now identified himself as transgender and is in the Edna Mahan women's
00:44:05.160
correctional facility in New Jersey. I mean, this is just proof of what you're talking about,
00:44:09.500
that this is BDSM. Like this is a fetish. This is a sexualization. It's really not about someone's
00:44:17.220
identity or their struggle with gender dysphoria. This is about for a lot of people. I'm not saying
00:44:24.420
everyone. Of course, there is a small percentage of people who truly have always had gender dysphoria
00:44:28.960
who are not in the category that we're talking about. But for a large percentage of people that
00:44:33.780
too many people don't want to talk about, I mean, this is about predation. So tell me a little bit
00:44:38.140
more about this story and stories like it. So this story, actually, I kind of stumbled upon when I was
00:44:45.540
looking through the inmates currently at Edna Mahan, because I was speaking to some of the women
00:44:51.040
there. And, uh, it's quite shocking, I know, but I mean, just the fact that no media will touch it.
00:44:56.900
Uh, so this man, he, he killed an Ecuadorian immigrant woman named Flora Andrade. Um,
00:45:05.500
as he, he boasted about drinking her blood, he actually wrote a letter to a newspaper to boast
00:45:11.060
about it. And, uh, specifically this, this for me, it was really shocking that he took her clothing,
00:45:19.660
put on her clothing, took her car. He was found arrested wearing her clothing and driving her car
00:45:25.240
and had taken his own photograph and placed it over hers on his ID as if he was taking her soul or
00:45:32.520
her identity. Um, I mean, that's like the silence of the lamps. I mean, that's as horrifying as you
00:45:39.780
can even imagine. Yes. Yes. I mean, when, when we talk about it, again, things that used to be well
00:45:48.660
known have become taboo. I mean, it has been known that, that certain sadomasochistic fetishes lead to
00:45:55.100
criminal behavior, to violent criminal behavior. We knew that any decent sexologist or criminologist
00:46:00.760
30 years ago could tell you that. Um, I mean, there's a reason why silence of the lamps was
00:46:05.680
even made because it was a based on at least two, uh, such men who actually existed. So, um,
00:46:13.140
the, the, these men, when it comes to the fetishists, when it comes to the fetishists,
00:46:19.040
these men can actually possibly be even more dangerous to women than, um, you're a typical
00:46:25.660
male offender. And then, so now you're having these women in New Jersey being forced to share
00:46:31.860
spaces. Um, but not only the fetishes, I mean, it's open to anybody right now. So you just have,
00:46:38.960
for example, I spoke with a woman who was being forced to shower with a convicted male killer who
00:46:43.540
was 6.7, a huge guy. And he's just in there in the shower watching women, ogling them and making
00:46:51.060
him sexual crimes. And he's there for murder, by the way. He's there for murder of a man as well,
00:46:56.120
which, you know, so he could kill a man. And then he's now being allowed to shower with women.
00:47:03.820
And these women, just to like put a fine point on it, these women are being forced to shower,
00:47:09.880
shower to be naked. And I mean, many of these women have also experienced sexual trauma already.
00:47:16.060
So they've already been raped by men. They've already been assaulted by men. And many of them
00:47:20.000
are victims of violence themselves, even if they are also perpetrators of other kinds of violence.
00:47:24.000
And they are being forced to shower, to be naked in front of a male murderer who is standing there,
00:47:32.160
ogling them. It's some, it's like a sick joke for these women.
00:47:34.860
That's, that's kind of exactly how Myseka put it. So when I spoke to a woman named Myseka Diggs,
00:47:42.480
and she said, it's like a nightmare we can't wake up from. She said, you know, it's like I'm being
00:47:47.600
traumatized over and over again. We all are. Some 80% of these women have an experience with
00:47:54.140
male sexual violence and abuse. So they're, they're being re-traumatized. It's quite a bit like
00:48:01.580
torture, I would say. Yes. I believe this even violates the Geneva Convention. So it's, it's
00:48:07.700
international law should, ought to consider this a human rights violation. I mean, even the U.S. law.
00:48:16.880
So the Eighth Amendment is supposed to protect from cruel and unusual punishment. I mean, how cruel
00:48:23.160
and unusual is this. Yes. I mean, that is a known, a known form of shame and of torture,
00:48:31.980
forcing a woman to be naked in front of men. That is a form of humiliation. And I think what
00:48:37.760
you have well documented is that is actually part of what these men are getting off on,
00:48:43.040
is the humiliation, either the forced submission of themselves or the forced submission of other
00:48:47.520
people, which again, goes back to exactly what you're talking about. It's also under the umbrella,
00:48:52.980
of BDSM. And wow, how sick and how perverted that this has somehow, that this has somehow been
00:49:01.740
co-op, or this has somehow been taken in and adopted as this form of love and inclusion and
00:49:07.400
tolerance and something to be celebrated when at every turn it is victimizing people. It's victimizing
00:49:13.780
women, not just in scenarios like this, but it's victimizing children through the online predation that
00:49:18.360
you're talking about and also convincing them to lop off their healthy sexual organs when they are
00:49:22.960
15 years old. I mean, this is creating victims. It is not leading to a form of liberation.
00:49:32.460
Regarding the BDSM, so in some extreme BDSM circles, it's very common. Well, I shouldn't say
00:49:39.700
because I don't know how common it is, but it's been documented that amputations have been done for
00:49:45.440
fetishistic reasons. So it's intended to show submission to the master. And so when you put that
00:49:51.480
in the context of double mastectomies for little girls, it quite frankly infuriates me. And that
00:49:59.100
this is being done to children, essentially to normalize these behaviors that are sexual for
00:50:06.760
certain men, that children and women should be the collateral damage in this push, and quite infuriates
00:50:14.980
me. And I think it's something that we need to talk about more. I know people have their own angles
00:50:18.900
when they discuss this issue. They might talk about, for example, the money that's involved. They
00:50:23.240
might talk about the damage to someone's health. But because no one else had been talking about this,
00:50:29.020
I decided to look into the fetishistic aspect of it. And frankly, what I found, it just keeps
00:50:35.180
confirming everything that I think. And ultimately, I have come to the conclusion that this is, you know,
00:50:40.860
BDSM full-time, as a full-time identity. I mean, I've even read personal's ads that explicitly said
00:50:48.140
this, that, you know, I want to live out my 24-7 BDSM fantasy with someone.
00:50:56.480
And I'm sure that for some of these people, they probably experienced abuse of their own in the
00:51:04.580
past. It's kind of, I think, a pattern or a history that we see when people are abused as children.
00:51:10.100
They kind of turn around and become abusers. Of course, that's not any kind of excuse or
00:51:14.220
justification whatsoever. It just shows kind of the damage of cycles of abuse, and they become
00:51:19.440
abusers themselves. And then, of course, when you're pushed into this, as you said, there are
00:51:25.180
so many different aspects of it. But when you have psychologists who aren't even willing to ask
00:51:29.280
these questions, like, is there something else going on here? Is there something that is making you
00:51:34.620
feel like you need to have this surgery, or that you need to take these hormones, or that you need to
00:51:39.900
identify in this way? And then, of course, the pharmaceutical companies that make a lot of
00:51:44.440
money off of this, and the politicians that get a lot of power from this. I mean, there are so many
00:51:49.720
different aspects, like you said, but I don't actually see really anyone wanting to touch the
00:51:55.040
sexual aspect of it. It seems like that is the most taboo part. But I also, I want to also talk about,
00:52:01.960
we were talking about this as it relates to prisons. And you talked about a prison in New Jersey.
00:52:09.020
This is also happening in Washington. It's also happening in California. And the Women's Liberation
00:52:14.860
Front, I know that you're familiar with them. They're known as Wolf. And they filed a lawsuit
00:52:21.740
last year, November 2021, on behalf of four incarcerated women challenging the California law
00:52:26.740
that allows men to self-identify as women are non-binary, be housed in women's facilities. And
00:52:32.580
they have been opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union, so ACLU and other advocacy groups,
00:52:41.920
because they, of course, are being demonized as bigoted. And they have faced all kinds of opposition.
00:52:50.960
And they have had a hard time even maintaining a platform online. They have actually had to use a
00:52:56.700
server that is owned by like a conservative Christian group, which is kind of ironic.
00:53:01.760
And so tell me, I mean, tell me your take on that. I don't know if you have any special insight into
00:53:06.000
that story, but just so people kind of know what's going on here.
00:53:10.880
Well, you mentioned ACLU, and I do kind of want to talk about that, right? So ACLU has been trying to
00:53:16.860
block Wolf, as you mentioned, in their lawsuit. So initially, I believe Wolf had filed for a freedom
00:53:22.800
of information request to see how many men were actually in the women's prison. And the ACLU attempted
00:53:28.700
to block that. Now, the ACLU, where to begin? In my opinion, they're no longer fit for purpose. And
00:53:36.240
they need to, there needs to be a huge overhaul within the entire ACLU, because they're not doing
00:53:42.200
anything for, in my opinion, they're not doing any good right now, that they're fighting for
00:53:47.880
the rights of these men that I've just mentioned to be transferred into women's prisons. That has
00:53:53.360
been their main fight in recent years. And they have been successfully lobbying to have convicted
00:54:02.460
violent men housed with women. How? I don't know. It's just that all of these institutions are so
00:54:09.740
beholden to this belief system right now. But that's been their main drive. They haven't quite
00:54:16.340
so much been focusing on other issues as much as they have that from where I'm sitting. And so
00:54:21.920
obviously, we see that when they tried to block Wolf as well. It's hard to know where to begin with
00:54:28.180
that, because, you know, you had an organization that's ostensibly set up to be helping people.
00:54:33.200
And the people that they're helping are prioritizing. I mean, what about the discomfort of
00:54:39.280
women? You know, we talk about a lot about the discomfort of these men who may have a hard
00:54:45.700
time in the men's prison, although technically, a lot of these men, I strongly suspect, are not
00:54:52.120
actually having any kind of body dysmorphia whatsoever. Right. But what about the discomfort
00:54:57.480
of women? Why? Why isn't that a priority for nearly anyone? And the physical safety, it goes beyond
00:55:05.540
if I had to choose, even if a man really did have dysmorphia, and we had to choose between his
00:55:11.640
discomfort with his own body and the physical safety of the woman in prison, I'm going to go
00:55:15.560
with the physical safety of the woman in prison. You know, so even if it was real discomfort, which
00:55:20.080
as you said, I think it's not in a lot of cases, still, there's priorities. And why don't women's
00:55:27.880
physical safety, why doesn't that matter more? I mean, in all these cases, when it comes to locker
00:55:32.540
rooms, when it comes to sports, why don't women's not just their rights in general to fairness and
00:55:38.320
to fair competition and to equality and all of that, but why don't our rights to physical safety
00:55:44.140
matter more than what a man says that he wants? I mean, I guess that's the question that a lot of
00:55:50.660
feminists have been asking for a very long time. That's the million dollar question. Yes.
00:55:56.200
It's kind of depressing when you put it like that. Right. So on May 31st, Wolf submitted a brief
00:56:02.060
in opposition to California's motion to dismiss the civil rights case opposing the California law
00:56:08.380
that allows male offenders into female prisons. And some things that they said were, I mean,
00:56:12.840
and this is just, again, it just seems like a parody, a really dark parody. The men that are
00:56:17.760
transferred to women's prisons are not even required to take hormones or have surgery. So
00:56:22.540
we're talking like, I'm sorry, again, explicit, but you're talking about a man who can physically
00:56:28.340
like rape a woman. It's not like he has been neutered in any way by hormones or by surgery
00:56:34.200
or anything. And right before this motion was filed, another female inmate was raped in prison.
00:56:38.740
So this actually happened. This is not some like hypothetical scenario, raped in prison by a male
00:56:43.520
inmate in the yard port-a-potty while another male accomplice stood guard outside. I mean,
00:56:49.120
if this doesn't make you just want to, oh my gosh, she was drugged and found unresponsive in her cell.
00:56:56.160
The rapist was not immediately removed from the yard, despite a number of women pleading with
00:57:01.920
the staff to do something. I mean, how do you, how do you describe this? What's your reaction to that?
00:57:11.340
I mean, with this, with this, you have horror after horror every day, almost. It seems like, you know,
00:57:19.020
why the extent to which it's so taboo to talk about this, that even a story like this isn't getting
00:57:29.540
really mainstream traction, of course not. Why is everyone so scared to stand up against this?
00:57:43.180
I guess I would say that it is a bit frustrating. I understand, but it's a bit frustrating for me that the
00:57:49.720
sports issue is the issue that's really taken hold in the public consciousness at the moment, because it's
00:57:55.660
something that we can all see. We see it in front of our eyes. We're told to deny the reality that we see in front
00:58:01.640
of us, for example, with Leah Thomas. And so these women in prison who are the most marginalized, I would
00:58:09.680
say, women in the entire country, are hidden from public view. And what happens to them, I mean, they,
00:58:17.240
even if they complain, they get put into lockup, they get put, which is basically isolation.
00:58:23.120
So if they say anything against this policy, then they are punished. And often, at least with the women
00:58:30.160
in New Jersey that I'm speaking with, they say that these men get certain priorities over women.
00:58:34.980
They get their own cell, you know, so they're very specifically being privileged over the women
00:58:43.240
within the facility. And they'll even say to the women that they can't say anything about it,
00:58:48.740
or else they'll be in trouble. So they brag about that.
00:59:00.160
I mean, as you said earlier, cruel and unusual punishment in so many different ways. And we are
00:59:09.500
seeing the prioritization of men's comfort over women's physical safety in so many different
00:59:14.800
areas, not just prisons, but also women's shelters, and also girls' bathrooms and girls' locker rooms.
00:59:20.300
And as I've heard Megan Murphy say before and ask such a good and disturbing question, as I'm sure you
00:59:26.440
have, like, what kind of man enjoys that? Like, what kind of man enjoys making a woman or a girl
00:59:31.800
uncomfortable? Like that spa, I think it was We Spa in LA, where this man, he, I guess, identified as the
00:59:39.580
opposite gender, and he was walking around erect in front of, like, minor girls. Someone who truly has
00:59:47.060
body dysphoria or gender dysphoria, who is truly uncomfortable in your body, and you want to be the
00:59:52.120
opposite sex. That is not a characteristic of true gender dysphoria. That is not a characteristic of
00:59:57.980
being uncomfortable in your body. That is a characteristic of someone who gets off on making
01:00:02.760
women feel uncomfortable. Like, as you mentioned earlier, we've always known that. Like, there are men
01:00:07.000
who, perverts, who like that kind of thing, who have been flashers, who have been sexual harassers,
01:00:13.000
and now they get to jump under the umbrella of transgender, and now they're an oppressed class
01:00:20.180
instead of an oppressor class. Now they are marginalized instead of just, like, a straight
01:00:25.060
white male who likes to harass women. And because of that, because of how they've climbed up the
01:00:30.980
intersectionality scale, just by way of declaration, their wants take priority over the needs of women.
01:00:41.260
Yep. The white male rapist has more clout than the underprivileged women in prison who are victims
01:00:50.620
of sexual abuse. Isn't that something? It's crazy how that works.
01:00:53.940
Crazy how that works. I heard the story. I'm sure you saw it too. I first saw it was on Taylor Silverman,
01:00:59.780
who is a female skateboarder. It was on her Instagram, and now I'm seeing that it's reported
01:01:03.440
elsewhere that male skateboarders are being able to, you know, they identify as the opposite gender,
01:01:10.100
and then they are able to compete against female skateboarders. But it's not just that. I saw this New York
01:01:15.040
Post article that showed a 30-year-old, or 29, I think, a 29-year-old male who identifies as a woman
01:01:23.020
was in competition a few days ago against not other, just other female skateboarders, but 10- and 13-year-old
01:01:30.220
girls. So guess who won? Like, it was him. Of course he won the competition. And the poor girl who came in
01:01:35.960
second place, who is 13 years old, so more than half his age, you know, less than half his age,
01:01:44.620
is saying, oh, I don't mind. You know, I want to be inclusive. I want to love everyone. Of course
01:01:48.680
this little girl is going to say that. She doesn't want to be bullied online. She doesn't want to be
01:01:52.880
called a transphobe. Who knows that? No one asked the 10-year-old little girl for comment. But
01:01:58.240
seriously, I mean, the people online, people on Twitter defending this guy and saying, oh, you know,
01:02:03.640
what advantage does he have over these people? You know, I can't, seriously saying that they can't
01:02:08.540
imagine what advantage this man would have over a 10-year-old girl in skateboarding. So I wonder
01:02:14.820
if you ever think that people's minds have just become mush over this subject. Like, what do you
01:02:19.860
think the mass delusion is that has come over people's brains that they just refuse to see reality
01:02:25.400
here? I'm not going to lie. Of course, I think that's sometimes what happened. This is insane. But I think
01:02:33.020
part of it too is definitely technology and social media. I know that this probably gets talked about
01:02:39.480
a lot or maybe there's a tendency to over hyperbolize the importance of this. But I really
01:02:48.200
think it is crucial because, you know, social media, technical, well, just think about the fact that
01:02:53.340
we're interacting right now through a device with each other. So we're already kind of separated from
01:02:58.100
our own reality. Does that make sense? So we already have all of these things between us that
01:03:02.580
are separating us from reality. So it's not quite so much of a leap to go a little bit further.
01:03:07.500
And then you have people on social media who are using the hive mind or the echo chamber,
01:03:13.400
whatever you want to call it, but basically peer pressure. And the power of human deniability
01:03:19.280
actually is quite strong, much stronger than I would have thought before I got involved in all of this.
01:03:24.780
I used to think, well, surely if people are presented with the truth or with facts,
01:03:33.420
then they would come around. And I'm starting to wonder about that, having seen all of this. But
01:03:40.620
that's why we have to keep talking about it. And, you know, again, I just wanted to reiterate the
01:03:45.980
importance of, you know, the reason why I'm doing this is because I'm concerned about children,
01:03:50.000
the medical abuse of children. You know, I myself, I grew up with epilepsy and I was recommended for
01:03:56.760
lobotomy at around 11 years old. And thankfully, my father intervened on my behalf. So that was
01:04:05.140
happening that recently in the United States? Well, yes, technically, lobotomy can be considered
01:04:11.800
a treatment for epilepsy that doesn't respond to drugs. And it's very rare, but I was not responding
01:04:19.940
well to the medication, which one of those medications was made by the same company that
01:04:26.340
makes Lupron, which is the hybrid blockers for children and has its own scandal that's called
01:04:31.540
Depakote. So anyway, so I myself went through a lot of medical interventions or medical things that
01:04:41.280
I didn't feel comfortable with, things that were scary for me, things that caused me to dissociate
01:04:45.780
or depersonalize from my body. And so the issue of children, you know, it resonates with me very
01:04:52.780
strongly when I listen to the voices of detransitioners, which we should, I think, all be
01:04:57.740
trying to amplify more and more because there will be a lawsuit coming. And the sooner the better. So
01:05:03.320
we need to get ahead of that and get behind these children and support them and be ready for that
01:05:09.120
lawsuit. And one way we can do that is by looking at WPath and criticizing WPath, who has been
01:05:16.260
recommending these protocols. Yes. And I know that we're about to close out, but I realized that we
01:05:21.660
never circled back to the man who identifies as Monica Hogue, who came up with the transgender flag.
01:05:30.180
And I've always pointed out how I think it's so weird that the transgender flag is baby colors,
01:05:34.240
like baby blue and baby pink. That in itself to me is creepy. But could you just tell us quickly,
01:05:39.120
who this person is and how they came up with this flag and why that matters?
01:05:46.260
So, right. So Monica Helms, he goes by and then his birth name, Robert Hogue. Hogue, I'm not sure
01:05:53.480
how to pronounce it. But yeah, so he's an army veteran. He's in the Navy. Sorry, he was in the Navy.
01:06:00.260
Um, and he, I read his memoir, which is called more than just a flag. And he very openly talks about
01:06:07.120
his, uh, fetishes in that book. It's, it's quite something I don't necessarily recommend it, but he
01:06:14.960
spends a great deal of time talking about wanting to lose his virginity, for example, um, and stealing
01:06:21.120
women's underwear. Um, just astonishing. So again, a fetish. Right. I wondered too, why don't people
01:06:30.660
know who created the trans flag? That's what got me interested in this. Like we should be talking
01:06:35.220
about this person more if they're so influential that they even have an emoji of the trans flag.
01:06:39.180
And yet no one knows his name. No one knows anything about him. As far as I can tell, not
01:06:44.340
anyone's read his memoir apart from me. It's, I can't find anybody anyway. So he, he also had a
01:06:50.440
book of, uh, science fiction short stories, which are basically light versions of the forced
01:06:56.840
feminization erotica, um, that I was telling you about. And that involves themes too, of like age
01:07:02.300
regression. And I'm not kidding. If you go to Amazon right now and you type in TG age regression,
01:07:08.420
you're going to see some stuff. So he, he, uh, he wrote this fantasy about marrying a little girl
01:07:16.300
who doesn't age. Um, she's a witch. Apparently this is her superpower. And then they have a daughter
01:07:23.180
together who looks like him and has that same power. So it's this, this weird projection of,
01:07:31.700
I mean, it's pedophilia, it's pedophilia. So the person who created the transgender flag,
01:07:40.260
which happens to be baby colors also wrote pedophile pornography, basically a pedophile fantasy.
01:07:49.420
There's just, there's, there's so much, there's so much more that I could talk to you about. Just,
01:07:53.260
I just want to list like a couple of things that you've reported on. There was, there's this man
01:07:57.820
who is a convicted toddler rapist, who is now an award winning trans activist who goes by Zena
01:08:05.840
Grandicelli born Jeffrey Wilsey. There was also this terrible story that you wrote about, about, uh,
01:08:13.940
a toddler, a toddler killer who, Oh, I read about that murder and I won't even say it on here. How
01:08:19.200
awful it is. You reported on this, um, in May named Christopher King. He has been transferred now
01:08:27.780
to the women's prison in New York because he suddenly decided that he is transgender. So
01:08:33.880
all of what you're talking about and the roots of where it's coming from and what's underneath it,
01:08:38.940
I mean, that is affecting policy. And that is then in a, in, in turn affecting, especially women
01:08:46.800
and children. I mean, uh, I, I think we haven't even scratched the surface, or at least in this
01:08:53.680
conversation, we haven't even scratched the surface of just the depths of depravity.
01:08:57.780
That are behind all of this. Um, so just to kind of close us out, um, besides like following you
01:09:03.660
and supporting you, which I really, really encourage people to do, like, what can people
01:09:08.080
do who care about this and who want to sound the alarm about this and want to do something
01:09:11.920
about this, but they just feel totally powerless. What do people do?
01:09:16.340
Uh, so I would guess the first thing is to talk with other people. Um, one of the problems with this
01:09:23.040
issues, people often feel alone or that they're going crazy, that nobody is thinking the same way
01:09:29.760
that they are or seeing the same things that they are. So trying to talk about it, um, for those who
01:09:36.100
can, um, get involved with your school, uh, try, we really need to try to fight back against this being
01:09:43.560
in the school system as well. But for, for those who, who have, you know, maybe a more legal mind,
01:09:51.040
I would try to encourage you to, to find ways to support detransitioners or to, to be prepared for
01:09:58.860
a medical lawsuit that I, I mean, just this week, we saw a boy in, in the UK who's suing the NHS, uh,
01:10:06.900
over this, uh, surgery that he was, he felt forced into or pushed into. So, I mean, that's coming and,
01:10:14.380
uh, we need to be ready for it. But I guess the biggest thing that most of us could do is just to
01:10:21.320
keep talking about it. And, you know, for my part, I try to keep highlighting the aspects of it that are
01:10:27.580
really grim and difficult to look at because I know that people tend to not want to talk about the,
01:10:33.320
the fetish aspect. It's very uncomfortable. It's very squeamish and, um, very, very unpleasant. Uh,
01:10:40.440
but, um, it's there. So we got to do something about it.
01:10:46.180
Yeah, we do. And I just, I mean, this is a, a Christian podcast. And I think like one of the
01:10:51.460
most disheartening things for me is to see people who I know, or they say that they have the same
01:10:57.240
belief system as I do. Christianity is very clear about the existence of male and female.
01:11:03.460
They really don't want to talk about this because people, and not just Christians, but so many
01:11:07.740
people have been convinced that in order to be loving, in order to not be a bigot, which no one
01:11:11.640
wants to be, you just kind of have to go along to get along. You just kind of have to accept every
01:11:16.680
new iteration of sexuality and identity in order to be a loving person. And I'm so thankful for people
01:11:23.840
like you who just kind of put the brakes on that and say, hang on, like, we need to look under the hood
01:11:28.860
here. We need to look at what's really going on. And I agree. The more you talk about it,
01:11:33.180
the more you lift the hood, the more you look at the atrocities that are going on in the name of this
01:11:37.620
ideology. I do. I just hope and pray that people wake up to the reality of how dark this is. So
01:11:43.040
thank you for what you do. Where can people find you and support you?
01:11:48.000
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01:11:55.700
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01:12:02.100
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01:12:07.380
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01:12:12.460
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01:12:18.720
Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. Please come back anytime. I know
01:12:23.740
that there's a lot that we didn't get to cover today. Anytime you have a new story or a new
01:12:27.120
investigation, we would love to amplify it as much as possible. So thank you so much.
01:12:33.600
All right. I just want to do a quick outro because I want to remind you all as you are
01:12:41.280
listening to this and realizing just how dark and awful this is that our presidential administration
01:12:47.100
in the United States is pushing this stuff hardcore. The Biden administration, the USDA,
01:12:53.320
under the direction of the Biden administration is withholding, is withholding food funding for poor
01:13:00.860
children if the schools that receive this kind of funding do not allow boys into girls' locker rooms
01:13:10.580
and bathrooms. And so the Biden administration is forcing this kind of stuff. They're pushing this
01:13:15.120
kind of stuff. Also, they have changed Title IX to mean not just banning discrimination on the basis of
01:13:24.800
sex, but also banning discrimination on the basis of so-called gender identity, making it impossible
01:13:32.340
for any kind of public entity to ban males from female sports or female locker rooms or female
01:13:41.980
bathrooms. And so they're pushing this stuff. They're forcing this kind of stuff. They are negating
01:13:47.420
biological categories and saying that if you declare yourself to be a woman, then again,
01:13:54.040
your comfort and your wishes trump a woman's right to fairness or to safety or to privacy. I mean,
01:14:00.660
it really is some kind of sick joke. It's some kind of dystopian nightmare that we are living in when it
01:14:07.120
comes to this stuff. And again, as I just kind of alluded to with Genevieve, I just do not understand.
01:14:13.040
I cannot understand besides them being just completely deluded with the spirit of the age,
01:14:18.100
professing Christians who tiptoe around this, who pretend that, oh, we just need to be polite
01:14:22.560
about it. It's just a nuanced topic that we don't really need to talk about. Once again, just like on
01:14:27.440
the abortion issue, you are failing to do your job. Like you're failing to do your job as a Christian,
01:14:32.400
which is not just to speak the truth in love. And this is the most basic truth there is. It's all the
01:14:36.500
way in Genesis 127 that God made us male and female. But also you are failing to act in love.
01:14:42.680
You're failing to protect women and children. And both scenarios, by the way, when it comes to
01:14:46.720
abortion and when it comes to gender ideology, like what are you good for? Just like giving
01:14:51.460
these so-called nuanced takes on Twitter about how we need to walk the line on everything. And
01:14:56.100
apparently the Bible is clear on absolutely nothing. According to these people, they're cowardly and
01:15:01.700
people are being hurt because of that. If just every single Christian, not even talking about the
01:15:06.400
general public, if just every single Christian would stand up against this stuff and be clear about it
01:15:11.100
and push for a good policy that recognizes not just biblical, not just morality, but also reality,
01:15:18.880
then we wouldn't be in the mess that we're in. But because so many Christians have been deluded into
01:15:23.900
thinking that empathy means accepting all forms of irrationality and all forms of immorality and all
01:15:30.540
forms of anarchy, we are in this terrible state of depravity and people are being hurt because of that.
01:15:37.040
So let this be your wake-up call. First of all, stop voting for these people if you are for some
01:15:42.580
reason. But also stop believing that politeness is what is required for you as a Christian. It's not.
01:15:50.480
Truth is. Courage is. Obedience to God is. And obedience to God is going to look like resistance to
01:15:56.040
this absurdity. All right. That's all I've got for you today. We will see you back here on Monday.