Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 30, 2022

Ep 636 ｜ How BDSM, Porn, & Pedophilia Are Tied to Transgender Ideology ｜ Guest： Genevieve Gluck

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In this episode, Allie talks about the dangers of pornography and sexual perversion within the LGBTQ+ community, and how we need to speak the truth about it. She is joined by journalist Genevieve Gelluck to discuss the deep, dark wounds inflicted by the radical gender ideology that has taken our culture captive.

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00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. This episode is brought to you by Good Ranchers.

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00:00:19.660 Okay guys, I've got a really big and important interview for you today. I'm just going to go

00:00:26.480 ahead and warn you. Do not listen to this interview out loud around your kids. All right? This is for

00:00:34.840 you to listen to and watch maybe with your spouse so you can discuss it or maybe with the women in

00:00:40.820 your Bible study. If you are a teenager who listens to this podcast, I love that you're here. This is

00:00:48.060 a very mature subject that I would really encourage you, if you would, to have your parent listen to

00:00:54.220 first or just to skip over it. I'm not even sure if it's necessary for you to listen to or watch. I

00:00:59.420 know I don't really have control over that, but I'm going to do the best I can to put this kind of

00:01:03.760 filter in front of you and say that we are talking about some explicit things, some things that I

00:01:09.500 wish we didn't have to talk about because they're so disturbing. They really make me want to cry.

00:01:16.680 But the reason why I'm so desperate for you to listen to this conversation,

00:01:21.260 the reason why I'm doing this conversation in this interview is because I want us to see and

00:01:29.140 to stare in the face the darkness and the depravity that is underneath the gender ideology, 0.99

00:01:38.200 the radical gender ideology that has taken our culture captive. I want you to see that when it 1.00

00:01:45.700 comes to this subject, we are dealing with evil. We are dealing with people who are perpetrating evil

00:01:52.500 and people who are victims of evil. Sometimes those are the same people. We're going to be talking

00:01:57.600 about pornography. We are going to be talking about pornography's role and sexual perversion's role

00:02:07.580 in all of this. We're going to be talking about BDSM and how that is inextricably intertwined with this movement

00:02:18.400 as taboo, as controversial as that is to say. This is largely, when it comes to the involvement of adult men

00:02:27.740 in this sexual in nature, predatory in nature. It is important that we recognize that. That is not an

00:02:38.680 unloving thing to say. Actually, the most loving thing that we can do is to speak the truth about

00:02:44.740 this because we are talking about the victimization in particular of women and children. If you care about

00:02:51.840 so-called social justice, if you care about equality, if you care about true equity, if you care about

00:02:58.060 the least of these, if you care about the vulnerable and the marginalized, you need to care about this

00:03:03.260 and you need to open your eyes and ears to the truth of what is really going on here. I know it's easy

00:03:12.000 to just add some colors to the rainbow flag and call it a day and to just latch on to every new

00:03:19.620 cultural, social movement that happens and call yourself inclusive and tolerant. But this moment

00:03:27.000 calls for a lot of critical thinking. It calls for explicit clarity and it calls for courage,

00:03:35.180 especially on the part of Christians. So one of the reasons why I'm talking about this is that 0.99

00:03:41.100 I think that it is biblical to talk about this. So there is a passage in Ephesians 5 that I think

00:03:49.100 is pertinent to this. Take no part, 511, take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, 0.72

00:03:57.820 for it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed

00:04:05.000 by the light, it becomes visible for anything that becomes visible is light. Therefore, it says,

00:04:11.980 awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead and Christ will shine on you. And you know what? Let me

00:04:17.720 back up just a little bit because I also think that the verses before this matter. So let me go to verse

00:04:23.840 6. Let no one deceive you with empty words. For because of these things, the wrath of God

00:04:29.600 comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore, do not become partners with them. For at one time you

00:04:35.840 were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord. So walk of children as children of light,

00:04:41.000 for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true. And try to discern what

00:04:47.200 is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose

00:04:54.160 them. Whatever is shown by the light becomes visible. For anything that becomes visible is light.

00:05:01.740 So that is what I venture to do in this conversation that I am about to have with someone who describes

00:05:07.600 yourself as a feminist. That means that we probably disagree on a lot of political issues, but on this, 0.99

00:05:13.000 I'm happy to link arms with her. And she is an incredible reporter, very smart, very insightful,

00:05:20.920 especially when it comes to the subject. And she has really fearlessly investigated into the roots and

00:05:26.980 into the organization of transgender ideology and how that is affecting women and children. So we are

00:05:34.460 joined today by a woman named Genevieve Gluck. She's a journalist at the site Redux, and she is

00:05:40.180 going to talk to us about her research and what it has revealed, just the depths of depravity here.

00:05:46.340 And I want you at any point that you need to, to pause and to pray, to take a breath. But I also want

00:05:52.220 you to share this episode. I want you to share this episode with as many people as possible. People who are

00:05:57.560 on the fence, people who are confused, people who just need to be woken up to this. If this is something,

00:06:03.240 if this is an ideology that is being pushed on your kids, whether it's through Disney, the shows that

00:06:07.900 they're watching, the videos that they're watching, the school that they're attending, the curriculum

00:06:11.500 that they're learning, you need to wake up to the reality of what is going on. This is serious, serious

00:06:17.020 stuff, as serious as it gets. So let's care about this. Let's speak up about this, as our friend Genevieve

00:06:22.700 Gluck does so well. And I'm excited for you to hear this, to listen to this, to watch this, and then to do

00:06:30.460 something about it and turn around and share it with other people. Maybe one of the most important

00:06:35.140 episodes and interviews that I have ever done. Genevieve, thank you so much for joining us.

00:06:51.420 Could you tell everyone who you are and what you do?

00:06:53.580 Sure. Yeah. So my name is Genevieve Gluck, and I'm a feminist essayist and researcher. I have been

00:06:59.780 writing about issues that pertain to women's rights for several years now, I think, starting around

00:07:04.980 like 2017. And I have written some essays about this topic. But in particular, I started a website

00:07:12.860 this year with my friend Anna Slatz called Redux. And we've been using that platform to focus on

00:07:20.160 how gender identity is in conflict in many ways with the rights of women and the rights of children.

00:07:27.780 So that's been my primary focus recently.

00:07:32.300 And you hear a lot that feminists are silent about this issue of gender ideology. Whenever there's a 1.00

00:07:40.340 story that comes out of a trans-identified male inmate going into a woman's prison or beating a girl in

00:07:50.080 an athletic competition, you hear, where are the feminists? The feminists are silent. Why are the 1.00

00:07:54.480 feminists on board with this? But that's obviously not true. It's not just your outlet, but there are 1.00

00:07:58.840 other feminist outlets, too, that are pushing against this ideology. Does that ever get frustrating 1.00

00:08:03.880 when people accuse kind of feminists? It's so frustrating.

00:08:07.040 Yes, I'm sure it does. Go ahead.

00:08:10.060 Yeah, I know Megan Murphy, who you've talked with last year, has the same problem. So she was banned from 0.99

00:08:16.020 Twitter for talking about this. But, you know, part of the problem is that whenever women do talk 1.00

00:08:20.400 about it, we get so much backlash and even get censored. So even the backlash itself could be

00:08:29.040 discouraging people from talking about it. But, you know, there are a lot of feminists who 1.00

00:08:33.080 unfortunately have to be anonymous online for this very reason, because of the threat to their job,

00:08:38.020 to their families, and so on.

00:08:39.520 And then there are professing feminists, especially like mainstream Hollywood feminists, 1.00

00:08:47.260 who do say that they are totally on board with gender ideology. They don't see any conflict in

00:08:53.000 a man who identifies a woman as a woman playing on a female sports team or going into a female locker

00:09:00.700 room or prison. They think that's just inclusive and fine. What do you make of that?

00:09:05.920 I mean, you know, it's hard to say. It's different for everybody. But obviously,

00:09:11.220 there's an immense amount of social pressure to go along with this, because going against this has

00:09:16.440 been portrayed as being against human rights, which I would actually argue is not the case at all.

00:09:23.280 But, you know, it's popular. It's trendy, even it's become something of a cool thing and cool issue.

00:09:31.620 You know, recently I was talking to a mother who had a detransitioned daughter, and she even said 0.99

00:09:37.200 so that with the children in school, that this is something that's cool and that being quote unquote

00:09:42.480 cis is very boring or seen as old fashioned. So there's that as well.

00:09:49.180 Oh, that's really, really sad. I mean, Abigail Schreier, who I know that you're familiar with,

00:09:54.100 she wrote the book Irreversible Damage. We had her on the podcast at the time,

00:09:57.600 and she looks at the research that shows the social contagion aspect, especially for a lot

00:10:03.060 of young women who are caught in all kinds of social contagions, probably for all of history.

00:10:07.200 And this just happens to be one and a very physically and psychologically damaging one at that.

00:10:15.360 Tell me a little bit more about, I mean, we've gone back and forth about this a lot,

00:10:19.960 but about your research as it pertains to kind of the origins of this kind of gender ideology,

00:10:28.040 and then how it's gotten to the point that you just described, where it's almost cool in some

00:10:34.400 circles. It's almost a trend. I mean, how in the world did we get here?

00:10:40.180 It's a long story.

00:10:41.460 It's a big question.

00:10:42.120 Yeah. But I guess I would put it somewhere along the axis of, you know, sexology and academia in

00:10:50.060 sexology, as well as in pornography. And I see them as intersecting with each other.

00:10:55.800 But if you look at the history of sexology, there's been this growing push to

00:11:02.220 de-stigmatize certain fetishes, which are technically called paraphilias, right? And so

00:11:09.220 in the past, until very recently, actually, this sort of behavior that we see in adult men of,

00:11:15.960 you know, calling themselves girls or wanting to be seen as girls or as women was understood to be

00:11:24.160 fetishistic in nature. And it was called things like transvestic fetishism or transsexualism as

00:11:30.140 well, depending on the extent to which someone would go through with living through this fantasy.

00:11:34.880 So the idea just to be kind of explicit for people who don't know,

00:11:39.140 when you say fetish, it used to be understood that men who dress up as girls, that it was,

00:11:44.700 they would get sexually aroused from that kind of thing. And now it's seen as an identity.

00:11:51.320 Exactly. Exactly. Yes. Now it's taboo to talk about that, even though

00:11:56.340 they will openly talk about that in their own forums throughout Reddit or, you know,

00:12:01.800 anywhere that this issue is being discussed online, it's quite apparent. And that was actually

00:12:06.500 one of the things that led me to look further into this was because it was so out in the open.

00:12:10.640 And yet, if you talk about it, you're deemed to be somewhat crazy or making it up or blowing it out

00:12:18.900 of proportion. So yeah, there's that fetishistic element. And the way I see it is, as this becomes

00:12:27.340 normalized through society, as the push to normalize this, this fetish goes further, it extends on to

00:12:34.300 women and children. So by using women and children as the conduit, this, this typically male behavior 0.97

00:12:44.860 can become normalized and accepted through society. And that goes along with the pornography as well.

00:12:51.420 So pornography viewership has just skyrocketed immensely, obviously, with streaming pornography.

00:12:57.820 And so one thing that you have with pornography consumption is the tendency to need to seek out

00:13:04.740 greater and more shocking content to elicit the same thrill. So then you have you enter into this

00:13:11.020 area of body modification. So initially, that would have been women getting really large breast implants 1.00

00:13:17.140 or what have you to to heighten the the unnatural aspect and to keep pushing the boundaries as it

00:13:24.580 were further and further. And then you have, well, this isn't my term for it. But technically,

00:13:31.780 it's called tranny porn online, which is the the aspect of the male as the female. So when you have those 0.97

00:13:39.860 things combined, the the sexualization of body modification, and then pushing for more and more extreme

00:13:47.460 thrills, you have this going on behind closed doors. And then it's seeping into the public sphere. Yes,

00:13:56.420 that's my take on it. Yeah, there. So there are so many questions that I have within that. And I do want

00:14:00.820 to make sure that we come back to the pornography question. This is something that you have written

00:14:06.020 about before that you've investigated and uncovered. But to go back kind of to the origins of sexology,

00:14:12.740 kind of I mean, I know, it's before the 60s and 70s. But it seems like that one kind of is when it

00:14:18.180 became more institutionalized, especially in academia, if you're looking at someone like Alfred

00:14:23.460 Kinsey, or you're looking at someone like John Money, that's almost when it seems like at least it became

00:14:30.340 acceptable to make these kinds of suggestions that, well, maybe pedophilia is just they would say

00:14:38.420 some kind of sexual orientation, or maybe it is possible, as we saw with the experiment that Dr.

00:14:44.820 Money did on the Reimer twins, to just basically castrate a boy, raise him as a girl, all will be 0.98

00:14:51.700 well. And of course, we know that he actually conducted sexual experiments between those two boys, they

00:14:56.260 ended up growing up and committing suicide. And then Alfred Kinsey and all of his perverted ideas 0.89

00:15:01.380 of sex and gender. It was the 60s, it seems like that kind of form of what they would call sexual

00:15:08.340 liberation came into being. And it was like an academic and intellectual label was slapped on it.

00:15:15.940 So it kind of became normalized. But only recently, as you're kind of saying now, has it become

00:15:22.340 mainstream, as bad ideas often do, they seep down from academia, into the mainstream. And now we are

00:15:30.500 seeing, as you're saying, it become kind of this identity that you're not allowed to push back on.

00:15:35.780 And is your argument or from your investigation, are you saying that it went from this kind of

00:15:42.020 esoteric academic idea into the mainstream, through the prevalence of pornography? Like, is that the

00:15:50.340 connector? You know, a lot can and should be said about the role of academia in this. But it's also

00:16:00.260 important to notice that the organizing that has been going on behind the scenes as well, that's been

00:16:07.140 at a more grassroots level. And when I say that, I'm talking about certain societies within the U.S. that

00:16:13.380 were being formed in the 60s and 70s, cross-dressing organizations. So in particular,

00:16:18.900 Virginia Charles Prince is a man who created, well, one publication he created was called Transvestia,

00:16:27.780 but he also created these lobbying organizations that were spreading through across the U.S.

00:16:35.460 And what these organizations were was essentially fetishistic cross-dressing and lobbying politicians

00:16:42.180 to have this normalized into the mainstream. So that was going on towards the end of the 60s,

00:16:47.780 early 70s. And Prince himself, notably, it should be mentioned, he took the tactics of the LGB movement

00:16:58.260 of the time. So he actually kind of piggybacked off of what they were doing,

00:17:02.500 talking, talked about going to their meetings and observing them in order to get their contacts,

00:17:09.220 as he put it. And so I really see what happened through the 60s to 70s as this fetishistic attachment

00:17:19.380 onto a human rights movement. And we're seeing that, unfortunately, again, in my opinion,

00:17:27.460 in a scale that's just unprecedented. Right, right. And I want to hear more about

00:17:35.220 the pornography aspect that you have mentioned here, or that you mentioned a few minutes ago,

00:17:43.340 because you talked about what is referred to, not your term, but I guess just what is referred

00:17:47.780 to online. It's tranny porn. But there's also something that you've written about called sissy porn. 0.94

00:17:53.220 And you talk about its prevalence and how it has also affected the normalization of this idea that 0.93

00:18:01.060 a man can identify as not just a woman, but a girl. Like that's something that we're seeing on TikTok.

00:18:06.540 There's a very popular TikTok influencer who is a grown man with a five o'clock shadow, who is a who

00:18:12.820 says that he is now experiencing a girl and he is not seen as a creep by people. He is seen as someone

00:18:17.820 that like people applaud and love and will follow. So this is normal. But you're saying some of this

00:18:24.060 came from something called sissy porn. So what the heck is that? And how did that infiltrate into 0.99

00:18:29.540 mainstream society? Well, I'm sorry to have to explain this. I know. We've already told people

00:18:37.300 at the beginning that this is like, this is a disturbing and explicit conversation, unfortunately,

00:18:42.520 but I do think it's important to kind of expose just like the darkness that's underneath all of this.

00:18:47.820 So sissy porn is actually a sub genre of a much broader genre, which is called forced 0.94

00:18:54.720 feminization pornography that revolves around eroticizing humiliation, particularly of men 0.96

00:19:04.880 being humiliated by being turned into metaphorically turned into women by being forced to wear lingerie, 0.52

00:19:15.280 put on makeup or take on the submissive sexual role, I guess you could say. So that's a much

00:19:23.260 broader umbrella that has other types of things under it. But so sissy porn falls under that category. 0.96

00:19:29.180 And it also has different types. So there are audiophiles, for example, that are just focused on 0.92

00:19:35.620 listening. That's called sissy hypno, which it's exactly as it says, it's meant to hypnotize the listener

00:19:42.880 into believing that they actually are a woman through repeated mantras and sexualized dialogue,

00:19:49.680 not even dialogue, it's often monologue, saying things like you are a girl, you always have been

00:19:54.980 a girl, you are a good girl, you're very submissive, things like this. That's the audiophiles. But then

00:20:00.980 there's also things called sissy captions, which are photographs usually of real women in pornography that

00:20:07.960 the man has then written some kind of story along the side of them to go with them. This one's

00:20:14.020 particularly disturbing, in my opinion, because I have seen cases where men have taken photos of

00:20:19.460 children and written things of sexual nature alongside them. So that's disturbing on its own,

00:20:28.860 right? But also the fact that nothing legally can be done to take those images down, even though

00:20:34.440 they're someone else's children. And yeah, so in general, it's just this concept of being forced

00:20:41.200 to be turned into a woman, and then the male viewer finding that arousing. So I've actually been

00:20:47.340 speaking with some men who are trying to give up pornography in general, but also who specifically

00:20:53.460 had an addiction to sissy pornography, which they have described as, you know, weapons grade mind control,

00:21:00.060 they say it's somehow it's even worse, in terms of addiction than than what they would call mainstream

00:21:06.160 pornography, because it has this, this taboo or extreme element to it, and incorporates your lifestyle.

00:21:15.320 So you're then encouraged to start doing these things on your own, such as dressing up, or they even give

00:21:21.900 you challenges that you're supposed to do, such as going out in public to do things. And so the men who

00:21:29.580 have spoken to me, were very honest about all of this and saying that they wanted to quit, but also

00:21:36.640 that, that it's unlike, it's unlike anything that they had ever experienced before, in terms of how

00:21:43.160 it altered their, their perception of themselves. Wow. And so do you think that this has to do with

00:21:50.960 kind of the what seems like the growing prevalence of men suddenly saying when they are adults, like,

00:21:58.420 I mean, men who have been men for several decades, and then they decide that they want to identify

00:22:06.060 as a woman, like, do you think that this type of pornography is affecting that or leading to that

00:22:12.520 in any way? 100%. I don't think it's in 100% of cases, but absolutely, it is having an impact. And I know

00:22:21.700 that because I've actually spoken with some women while I talked to a woman who was in the pornography 1.00

00:22:28.020 industry. And she, she spoke about this in particular, the, the sissification aspect, which, 0.54

00:22:34.540 you know, really what this is, is, is sadomasochism. So, so just for a moment, let me break that down.

00:22:41.500 So when you have this behavior, this fetishistic behavior, it's, it, that involves a man pretending

00:22:49.480 to be a woman, it's actually the, uh, sexualization of humiliation and the, the thrill in lowering 0.88

00:22:57.060 one's status as it were. So that's the masochistic element involved. And like, so the woman's 1.00

00:23:02.940 submissiveness that they perceive is attached to the feminine identity. Exactly right. Yeah. So the 0.56

00:23:09.760 woman I talked to was sort of in the BDSM scene and she personally witnessed, um, men who were

00:23:16.780 initially involved in, in certain BDSM activities, then declaring themselves to be transgender.

00:23:22.540 So the BDSM-5, um, says that gender dysphoria, true gender dysphoria is the persistent, insistent,

00:23:44.120 consistent feeling of being in the wrong body, of having the wrong gender. And we're simultaneously

00:23:50.700 told by transgender ideologues that a child knows their gender identity at two years old. So if they 0.60

00:23:59.340 find, you know, interests that are typical to, um, the other sex, then maybe they're transgender,

00:24:05.080 or if they don't want to wear, you know, dresses and they were born a girl, they might be transgender,

00:24:09.680 but simultaneously we're told it's just as legitimate for someone who has lived as a girl,

00:24:15.880 lived as a boy their whole lives to suddenly, when they're either a teenager or when they're adult,

00:24:20.400 to realize that they really are the opposite sex. Um, do you think in general, not just with men 0.91

00:24:27.460 suddenly declaring that as adults, but the entire kind of transgender as adult movement or kind of,

00:24:35.480 uh, popularity has grown. Do you think that has to do with this kind of sissification that we're

00:24:42.360 seeing in pornography or those things connected in general?

00:24:45.200 Well, one problem with this is that it's not being researched. Um, well, that's a big problem

00:24:51.760 with the whole gender identity movement in general, because it's just, you're just supposed to take it

00:24:56.320 at its word and, and it's entirely objective depending on what someone says. But with the

00:25:02.820 sissification, um, I have seen anecdotally stories, for example, of young boys who started

00:25:11.640 looking at this kind of content when they were very young, uh, I mean, young, young, like 11,

00:25:17.900 12, 13, and then that leading down the pathway of being confused about their bodies, their gender,

00:25:24.560 um, you know, sex actually with their sexed bodies. So, um, uh, and that's also another problem is that

00:25:31.820 it's not actually gender, is it? It's got to do with the body. So when we talk about having these 0.96

00:25:38.120 feelings of gender dysphoria, what we're actually, or should be discussing is body dysmorphia, the

00:25:44.360 feeling of, of being at illities with your body, um, genders is something else. And, um, I would 0.98

00:25:52.300 argue that many people feel illities with gender, but specifically feeling illities with your body and

00:25:59.160 pornography is known to induce that actually. So research has shown that even specifically in,

00:26:07.000 in men, um, feelings of dysmorphia about their genitalia, which is one of the so-called indicators

00:26:12.920 of gender identity disorder. Well, that makes a lot of sense. If you're seeing something that doesn't

00:26:18.080 really match reality, um, and it's distorted in some way, whether it's amplified or someone is playing

00:26:24.340 a role, whatever it is, of course, that is going to affect how you see yourself and how you see

00:26:29.640 yourself in the mirror. I mean, just think about, we've seen studies as well of girls having forms of 0.61

00:26:34.380 body dysmorphia when it comes to their facial features, because of the filters that are used

00:26:39.760 on TikTok that are used on Instagram. So if that is true, when it comes to just looking at your face

00:26:44.980 and then being disappointed, when you look at the mirror, think about when it's something as intimate

00:26:49.460 and not just psychological, but physiological and, um, and, and physical as well as looking at

00:27:01.240 pornography, that is going to affect how you see yourself and not just that, not just your body,

00:27:06.400 but also your identity and your entire life. I think people really minimize the impact that

00:27:14.220 pornography has not just on an individual's mind, but then it also has the power to kind of shape

00:27:19.980 society and how a society views sex and so-called gender. And I think you're right. Not enough people 0.89

00:27:26.540 are exploring this link. It's taboo. You're seen as prude. You're seen as, you know, anti-fun or anti-sex

00:27:33.460 in general. In order to be sex positive, you have to just say, yay, pornography. Um, but you're really 0.78

00:27:38.840 calling out that, I mean, this is having some very serious effects on people's lives.

00:27:44.820 Yeah, it's, it's a bit frustrating too, because even, um, among women I know who, who criticize

00:27:50.620 pornography, this particular issue is not really on the table, you know, and I understand that everyone

00:27:56.640 has to choose their own, uh, fight, I guess, and pick what they're going to stand for. But the, the impact

00:28:04.240 that I believe that this is having on identity is huge and really needs to be talked about more.

00:28:11.160 Um, we, we have seen too, uh, a detransitioner who spoke about this. So Helena had written a post

00:28:17.080 about how Tumblr porn had had an influence on her decision to, well, to declare herself to be a boy,

00:28:24.860 I guess you would say. Um, so it's shaping children's perceptions of who they should be, uh, what they

00:28:33.540 should look like, how they should act, what young girls are supposed to be doing. Um, the, the extreme 0.99

00:28:39.740 sexualization involved in pornography that harms girls, girls' self-image. And then they go on to 0.99

00:28:45.880 say, I must not really be a girl because I don't want that. I don't want to do that.

00:28:50.560 Mm-hmm. And if anyone doubts that the sexualization and the different subsets of pornography

00:28:58.200 are affecting what the world thinks about transgender ideology, and not only that, but

00:29:03.600 actually the so-called treatments that are giving to, that are given to kids who call themselves

00:29:08.640 transgender, they can learn more about your research into the World Professional Association,

00:29:14.420 uh, for transgender health, which is what I want to talk to you about now. We've kind of gone back and

00:29:20.660 forth about this, um, for a little while, but what you found is really that this organization

00:29:27.700 that is publishing the standards of care for so-called transgender youth, they're getting 0.99

00:29:33.220 some of their information, some of their research from like online pornography groups and fetish, uh,

00:29:40.560 fetish groups, right. That are fetishizing the castration of children. Is that correct? 0.51

00:29:45.420 Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. I'm, unfortunately it is correct. Yeah. Um, so I started to look into this

00:29:51.980 issue around December, uh, when WPATH, let me back up, let me explain what WPATH is for those who don't

00:29:59.380 know, because this is hugely important. And I think we need to start taking our fight to WPATH. We need to

00:30:06.380 shift our focus maybe so much from the politicians and not too much, but we need to start looking at the

00:30:12.520 medical professionals who are at the top, um, in order to then have an influence on the politicians,

00:30:18.280 because in many regards, the politicians are following what WPATH is saying. And so the World

00:30:25.000 Professional Association for Transgender Health recommends certain guidelines and protocols,

00:30:29.640 which are used internationally, including those that involve the transitioning of children.

00:30:35.700 So first of all, that's very important. Um, second of all, the investigation that I did was,

00:30:41.780 I started around December when they announced their new standards of care document. Within that

00:30:47.560 document, they had made a reference to a website that I recognized from my own research, which was

00:30:53.700 called the Eunuch Archive, which is basically a, a, a fetish forum, I guess. So it's, it's where people

00:31:02.780 would post, uh, stories of an extreme sadomasochistic nature that involve castration in particular. Um,

00:31:11.260 and nearly half of the stories on that site involve the castration of children, the sexualizing of the

00:31:18.360 castration of children, torture, snuff, I mean, sexual abuse of, of an extreme graphic detail. It's hard for me to

00:31:27.100 overstate it because, you know, I had to look at some of these things and I, I, it made me feel ill. Um, we're talking

00:31:33.080 about stories about doctors intentionally castrating children in order to keep them in a childlike

00:31:38.800 state. Uh, Nazis, like Nazis are a part of this fantasy and pornography. So these men are reading, 0.99

00:31:46.120 depicting stories of Nazis, basically castrating young boys. They're getting off on that.

00:31:51.960 Yes. Yes. Um, and it's all behind a password, uh, protected part of the site, which I was able to

00:32:01.520 get into. So it's quite clear that they know that this content is, I mean, they even warned that it

00:32:07.940 might be illegal in your jurisdiction. So they're based in the U S and unfortunately this type of 0.99

00:32:12.700 content is legal. So that was done in a Supreme court decision in 2002 called Ashcroft versus the

00:32:19.260 free speech coalition. So basically the pornography lobby of the U S allowed for this to happen. Um,

00:32:26.000 anyway, the point that I want to make that I want everyone to really understand is that the

00:32:31.260 administrators of this site were selected by W path leaders beginning as early as 2009 to come and speak

00:32:40.240 at their conferences and influence policies and influence standards of care. But not only that to

00:32:46.780 influence the DSM five, so the diagnostic and statistic manual for mental disorders. So these

00:32:53.640 people who are writing these awful stories involving harming children in unspeakable ways, um,

00:33:01.440 specifically castrating them and then having them involved in, in saying what is and isn't a mental 0.70

00:33:08.940 disorder. So somewhere around that. And it's not just the castration. I just want to emphasize that 0.92

00:33:13.820 these people, many of them are actually pedophiles. The thing that they are also fetishizing is not

00:33:19.240 just the castration and the gender mutilation, but also this idea, which reminds me of something else

00:33:24.960 that you've reported on, um, this idea of a child being frozen in their adolescence. They are also

00:33:32.880 fetishizing that. So once again, we see the link, um, to pedophilia. It reminds me of also what you've said

00:33:40.400 about the guy who came up with the transgender flag, who used to write this kind of pornography and this 0.63

00:33:47.980 kind of fantasy of little, of being a little girl and staying a little girl and being frozen in this 0.76

00:33:56.400 childlike state. So we're not just talking about one example of a few random people in this eunuch archive

00:34:02.340 being pedophiles and getting off on this kind of stuff. This unfortunately is pretty prevalent when

00:34:07.940 you're looking at the roots of this ideology and movement, as you are also proving in their connection

00:34:13.780 to this mainstream transgender organization. Right. So I want to respond to a couple of things. So the

00:34:20.740 first thing is that I think that this overlap that you're talking about exists because what you have is

00:34:26.000 not so much a transgender umbrella, you have a sadomasochism umbrella and under sadomasochism, uh, anything 0.92

00:34:32.160 goes really. And so as I've described before, basically the, the humiliation and the masochistic 0.51

00:34:38.520 fetish of the man being reduced to the woman's status, that obviously falls under sadomasochism,

00:34:44.080 um, as does pedophilia. So they're, they're in the same family, I guess you could say. Uh, that's why

00:34:52.600 the overlap is so prevalent. And that's why the overlap will always be there and it cannot be removed.

00:34:58.800 Um, it just goes, you know, the fetishism goes further and further, um, tends to escalate over

00:35:04.860 time anyway. Um, but the other thing I wanted to say before we move to the trans flag is again,

00:35:12.720 I just really think it's so important to, to say that W path was involved in this. I proved it. Uh,

00:35:19.980 anyone who's curious to know more about that can look at the reports that I did for Redux. Um,

00:35:25.060 there's two of them and I named some of the academics who were behind this website. Um,

00:35:29.960 I actually personally got an email from one of them that was quite angry, but also confirmed what

00:35:35.940 I was saying. Um, so it's, it's, it's crucial that people not look this over or think it's too

00:35:44.520 shocking to talk about because we need to bring this to the front door of W path and we need to do

00:35:50.260 something about this. Um, but I will go on to talk about the trans flag now. So, well, no, let's,

00:35:56.340 let's talk about this a little bit more deeply. I know I kind of took us off on a tangent there,

00:36:00.180 but I do want to make sure as you're saying that people really understand what's going on here.

00:36:04.140 And I want to ask some specific questions about this. Um, who is Dr. Krister Hill doll

00:36:10.320 will let, how is he connected to all this?

00:36:13.400 Okay. So I have two articles that I wrote about this and in the first one I named Krister Willett

00:36:21.920 and then in the other, I was able to name two other academics. So in total three. So Willett is

00:36:28.500 one of three academics who are main site administrators for the UNIC archive, uh, and have

00:36:36.860 been for over 20 years. Now, this website was initially hosted on an extreme body modification

00:36:47.200 pornography site that was called BME and it was hosted in Canada. So these men actually were, uh,

00:36:55.900 well, I can say at least one of them was speaking with the host of the BME site and then he was hosting

00:37:03.280 the UNIC archive and then on it, um, various, um, various pornographic content related to genital

00:37:08.980 mutilation. Um, then they launched their own site to, to use the written stories, uh, to collect the

00:37:17.000 written stories. Sorry. And Willett is one of them. Willett has been involved with the website for over

00:37:22.420 20 years and he was there at the very beginning. The other one is Dr. Tom Johnson and the other is

00:37:29.300 Richard Wassersag. Um, Johnson is an academic in California and Wassersag is from Canada or was a

00:37:37.240 professor in Canada, I should say. Anyway, so these three men were involved in taking research

00:37:43.840 surveys that they specifically conducted with members and participants of the fetish forum,

00:37:49.000 the UNIC archive. They took that research and presented it at WPATH conferences beginning in 2009.

00:37:56.160 So the first one was a conference in Oslo. This conference, by the way, is the one that is where

00:38:04.040 the decision was made to change gender identity from a disorder to, to dysphoria. It was this conference 0.55

00:38:12.340 in Oslo in 2009 that that happened and they were in attendance there. So I think that that's really

00:38:18.460 important. And then as I mentioned, uh, Johnson, the, the academic from California, uh, had a hand in

00:38:26.040 editing the DSM five. And what about Eli Coleman? He is also an academic. He is, from my understanding,

00:38:32.120 a professor at the university of Minnesota. He's also connected to this.

00:38:37.600 Right. So the UNIC archive members have a meetup every year and they have been for nearly 20 years

00:38:44.340 now. And Eli Coleman is based in Minneapolis where they hold their gatherings. Uh, Eli Coleman was a

00:38:51.400 former president of WPATH and was the lead, uh, lead executive chair on drafting the new standards

00:39:00.360 of care document. And he specifically reached out to Tom Johnson, the academic I'd mentioned previously

00:39:07.620 in order to help him devise these new standards of care. So there is an obvious and stated connection

00:39:15.340 between the two of them working together. Uh, I don't know exactly how long that connection has been

00:39:20.740 going on. I know it must be since at least 2016. I would probably put it earlier at somewhere around

00:39:26.260 2009 when they first attended the Oslo conference. And WPATH also just announced recently that hormones

00:39:35.040 could be started for kids who apparently identify as transgender, even younger than before age 14,

00:39:41.700 rather than age 15 or 17. Obviously that's disturbing for a whole host of ethical reasons,

00:39:47.080 but understanding where they are getting some of their inspiration and direction from the very

00:39:51.480 people who fetishize, um, the kind of freezing in time of adolescence, which is exactly what puberty

00:39:58.920 walkers do. That's exactly what in some cases these cross-sex hormones do. Understanding that they are

00:40:04.500 getting their direction from the people who are actually getting off on that kind of thing. I mean,

00:40:09.200 that is just disturbing beyond words.

00:40:10.940 It is. Yeah. I mean, I don't really know what to say that I, I've, I've actually seen on Twitter

00:40:17.860 when I was looking into the sissy porn stuff, sorry, but, um, I actually saw 1.00

00:40:24.200 kind of CSA that was posted there, um, referencing puberty blockers, which Twitter was very quick to

00:40:34.140 take that down when I reported it, but that's good. That's, that is good. But in general, they're not,

00:40:40.840 usually. So no, no, they're absolutely not. And I just am thinking about how difficult it probably

00:40:46.720 was for your mind and for your heart to kind of have to inundate yourself with all of this

00:40:52.160 disturbing darkness. I think we like to think that this kind of stuff doesn't exist. And, and wow,

00:40:57.620 when you think about the fact that this whole thing has been attached to LGB and it's just been

00:41:04.580 added onto the rainbow, like without any kind of critical thinking or consideration, I mean,

00:41:09.180 you've got all of these mainstream corporations that are just kind of adding it on to pride and

00:41:16.020 are just accepting this idea that it's this irreversible identity, that there's nothing fishy

00:41:20.680 about it. And there's no kind of questions that you can ask about it. I mean, that is some pretty

00:41:26.520 successful to, for a lack of a better term, marketing and work on the side of transgender

00:41:33.580 activism. It's, it's, I mean, it's happened so fast. It almost makes your head spin. Even in all

00:41:38.700 of your explanations of this, it's still hard for me to understand how in just the last five to 10 years,

00:41:44.920 it has become so mainstream and so accepted and so taboo to ask the questions that you're asking,

00:41:53.520 which is simply, where did this come from and what is pushing it?

00:41:57.160 Hmm. Yeah, there, there has been a lot of things going on behind the scenes, uh, as well that we

00:42:05.120 haven't been seeing in the public eye, lots of mobilizing. Um, I did want to mention that, you

00:42:11.700 know, I see this as something of a parallel between the sort of movements that were happening in the

00:42:16.380 sixties and seventies that you had mentioned before of, uh, for example, the push to normalize

00:42:21.640 pedophilia, because that was also something that was going on, uh, kind of behind the scenes with

00:42:27.600 these, these special interest groups that they organized very well. And that was before the

00:42:32.740 internet, you know, you've got to imagine that the capability to organize has just been, um,

00:42:38.900 heightened exponentially recently. And I have started looking into the history of, for example,

00:42:45.700 Usenet. So Usenet being a sort of closed forum of what we would consider early social media. And then

00:42:53.420 there are extreme fetish groups there that have been organizing, um, as well. I I I'm exploring that

00:43:00.940 avenue because I strongly suspect that some of the early organizing was going on through Usenet. And,

00:43:08.860 um, well, when you have a group of people who have a shared interest in, in, in predatory interest,

00:43:15.260 they, they tend to work very hard to get what they want.

00:43:29.940 I mean, it's kind of hard to deny that this is happening when you're seeing some of the

00:43:34.520 recent stories, um, that have come out that you've been reporting on. I mean, there are some

00:43:40.160 terrible and just such disturbing examples that you, um, have talked about recently. One of them

00:43:46.540 headline from Redux, which is sadistic killer with a blood fetish transferred to New Jersey

00:43:51.840 women's prison. Um, he's a male convict. He admitted to killing a prostitute woman to satisfy

00:43:58.280 a blood fetish. He has now identified himself as transgender and is in the Edna Mahan women's 0.96

00:44:05.160 correctional facility in New Jersey. I mean, this is just proof of what you're talking about,

00:44:09.500 that this is BDSM. Like this is a fetish. This is a sexualization. It's really not about someone's

00:44:17.220 identity or their struggle with gender dysphoria. This is about for a lot of people. I'm not saying

00:44:24.420 everyone. Of course, there is a small percentage of people who truly have always had gender dysphoria

00:44:28.960 who are not in the category that we're talking about. But for a large percentage of people that

00:44:33.780 too many people don't want to talk about, I mean, this is about predation. So tell me a little bit

00:44:38.140 more about this story and stories like it. So this story, actually, I kind of stumbled upon when I was

00:44:45.540 looking through the inmates currently at Edna Mahan, because I was speaking to some of the women

00:44:51.040 there. And, uh, it's quite shocking, I know, but I mean, just the fact that no media will touch it.

00:44:56.900 Uh, so this man, he, he killed an Ecuadorian immigrant woman named Flora Andrade. Um,

00:45:05.500 as he, he boasted about drinking her blood, he actually wrote a letter to a newspaper to boast

00:45:11.060 about it. And, uh, specifically this, this for me, it was really shocking that he took her clothing,

00:45:19.660 put on her clothing, took her car. He was found arrested wearing her clothing and driving her car

00:45:25.240 and had taken his own photograph and placed it over hers on his ID as if he was taking her soul or

00:45:32.520 her identity. Um, I mean, that's like the silence of the lamps. I mean, that's as horrifying as you

00:45:39.780 can even imagine. Yes. Yes. I mean, when, when we talk about it, again, things that used to be well

00:45:48.660 known have become taboo. I mean, it has been known that, that certain sadomasochistic fetishes lead to

00:45:55.100 criminal behavior, to violent criminal behavior. We knew that any decent sexologist or criminologist

00:46:00.760 30 years ago could tell you that. Um, I mean, there's a reason why silence of the lamps was

00:46:05.680 even made because it was a based on at least two, uh, such men who actually existed. So, um,

00:46:13.140 the, the, these men, when it comes to the fetishists, when it comes to the fetishists,

00:46:19.040 these men can actually possibly be even more dangerous to women than, um, you're a typical

00:46:25.660 male offender. And then, so now you're having these women in New Jersey being forced to share

00:46:31.860 spaces. Um, but not only the fetishes, I mean, it's open to anybody right now. So you just have,

00:46:38.960 for example, I spoke with a woman who was being forced to shower with a convicted male killer who

00:46:43.540 was 6.7, a huge guy. And he's just in there in the shower watching women, ogling them and making 0.71

00:46:51.060 him sexual crimes. And he's there for murder, by the way. He's there for murder of a man as well, 0.99

00:46:56.120 which, you know, so he could kill a man. And then he's now being allowed to shower with women. 0.98

00:47:03.820 And these women, just to like put a fine point on it, these women are being forced to shower, 1.00

00:47:09.880 shower to be naked. And I mean, many of these women have also experienced sexual trauma already. 1.00

00:47:16.060 So they've already been raped by men. They've already been assaulted by men. And many of them 0.98

00:47:20.000 are victims of violence themselves, even if they are also perpetrators of other kinds of violence.

00:47:24.000 And they are being forced to shower, to be naked in front of a male murderer who is standing there,

00:47:32.160 ogling them. It's some, it's like a sick joke for these women. 1.00

00:47:34.860 That's, that's kind of exactly how Myseka put it. So when I spoke to a woman named Myseka Diggs,

00:47:42.480 and she said, it's like a nightmare we can't wake up from. She said, you know, it's like I'm being

00:47:47.600 traumatized over and over again. We all are. Some 80% of these women have an experience with

00:47:54.140 male sexual violence and abuse. So they're, they're being re-traumatized. It's quite a bit like

00:48:01.580 torture, I would say. Yes. I believe this even violates the Geneva Convention. So it's, it's

00:48:07.700 international law should, ought to consider this a human rights violation. I mean, even the U.S. law.

00:48:16.880 So the Eighth Amendment is supposed to protect from cruel and unusual punishment. I mean, how cruel

00:48:23.160 and unusual is this. Yes. I mean, that is a known, a known form of shame and of torture,

00:48:31.980 forcing a woman to be naked in front of men. That is a form of humiliation. And I think what

00:48:37.760 you have well documented is that is actually part of what these men are getting off on,

00:48:43.040 is the humiliation, either the forced submission of themselves or the forced submission of other

00:48:47.520 people, which again, goes back to exactly what you're talking about. It's also under the umbrella,

00:48:52.980 of BDSM. And wow, how sick and how perverted that this has somehow, that this has somehow been 0.82

00:49:01.740 co-op, or this has somehow been taken in and adopted as this form of love and inclusion and

00:49:07.400 tolerance and something to be celebrated when at every turn it is victimizing people. It's victimizing

00:49:13.780 women, not just in scenarios like this, but it's victimizing children through the online predation that 1.00

00:49:18.360 you're talking about and also convincing them to lop off their healthy sexual organs when they are 0.77

00:49:22.960 15 years old. I mean, this is creating victims. It is not leading to a form of liberation.

00:49:32.460 Regarding the BDSM, so in some extreme BDSM circles, it's very common. Well, I shouldn't say

00:49:39.700 because I don't know how common it is, but it's been documented that amputations have been done for

00:49:45.440 fetishistic reasons. So it's intended to show submission to the master. And so when you put that

00:49:51.480 in the context of double mastectomies for little girls, it quite frankly infuriates me. And that

00:49:59.100 this is being done to children, essentially to normalize these behaviors that are sexual for

00:50:06.760 certain men, that children and women should be the collateral damage in this push, and quite infuriates

00:50:14.980 me. And I think it's something that we need to talk about more. I know people have their own angles

00:50:18.900 when they discuss this issue. They might talk about, for example, the money that's involved. They

00:50:23.240 might talk about the damage to someone's health. But because no one else had been talking about this,

00:50:29.020 I decided to look into the fetishistic aspect of it. And frankly, what I found, it just keeps

00:50:35.180 confirming everything that I think. And ultimately, I have come to the conclusion that this is, you know,

00:50:40.860 BDSM full-time, as a full-time identity. I mean, I've even read personal's ads that explicitly said

00:50:48.140 this, that, you know, I want to live out my 24-7 BDSM fantasy with someone.

00:50:56.480 And I'm sure that for some of these people, they probably experienced abuse of their own in the

00:51:04.580 past. It's kind of, I think, a pattern or a history that we see when people are abused as children.

00:51:10.100 They kind of turn around and become abusers. Of course, that's not any kind of excuse or

00:51:14.220 justification whatsoever. It just shows kind of the damage of cycles of abuse, and they become

00:51:19.440 abusers themselves. And then, of course, when you're pushed into this, as you said, there are

00:51:25.180 so many different aspects of it. But when you have psychologists who aren't even willing to ask

00:51:29.280 these questions, like, is there something else going on here? Is there something that is making you

00:51:34.620 feel like you need to have this surgery, or that you need to take these hormones, or that you need to

00:51:39.900 identify in this way? And then, of course, the pharmaceutical companies that make a lot of

00:51:44.440 money off of this, and the politicians that get a lot of power from this. I mean, there are so many

00:51:49.720 different aspects, like you said, but I don't actually see really anyone wanting to touch the

00:51:55.040 sexual aspect of it. It seems like that is the most taboo part. But I also, I want to also talk about,

00:52:01.960 we were talking about this as it relates to prisons. And you talked about a prison in New Jersey.

00:52:09.020 This is also happening in Washington. It's also happening in California. And the Women's Liberation

00:52:14.860 Front, I know that you're familiar with them. They're known as Wolf. And they filed a lawsuit

00:52:21.740 last year, November 2021, on behalf of four incarcerated women challenging the California law

00:52:26.740 that allows men to self-identify as women are non-binary, be housed in women's facilities. And

00:52:32.580 they have been opposed by the American Civil Liberties Union, so ACLU and other advocacy groups,

00:52:41.920 because they, of course, are being demonized as bigoted. And they have faced all kinds of opposition.

00:52:50.960 And they have had a hard time even maintaining a platform online. They have actually had to use a

00:52:56.700 server that is owned by like a conservative Christian group, which is kind of ironic.

00:53:01.760 And so tell me, I mean, tell me your take on that. I don't know if you have any special insight into

00:53:06.000 that story, but just so people kind of know what's going on here.

00:53:10.880 Well, you mentioned ACLU, and I do kind of want to talk about that, right? So ACLU has been trying to

00:53:16.860 block Wolf, as you mentioned, in their lawsuit. So initially, I believe Wolf had filed for a freedom

00:53:22.800 of information request to see how many men were actually in the women's prison. And the ACLU attempted 0.99

00:53:28.700 to block that. Now, the ACLU, where to begin? In my opinion, they're no longer fit for purpose. And

00:53:36.240 they need to, there needs to be a huge overhaul within the entire ACLU, because they're not doing

00:53:42.200 anything for, in my opinion, they're not doing any good right now, that they're fighting for

00:53:47.880 the rights of these men that I've just mentioned to be transferred into women's prisons. That has 1.00

00:53:53.360 been their main fight in recent years. And they have been successfully lobbying to have convicted

00:54:02.460 violent men housed with women. How? I don't know. It's just that all of these institutions are so 0.97

00:54:09.740 beholden to this belief system right now. But that's been their main drive. They haven't quite

00:54:16.340 so much been focusing on other issues as much as they have that from where I'm sitting. And so

00:54:21.920 obviously, we see that when they tried to block Wolf as well. It's hard to know where to begin with

00:54:28.180 that, because, you know, you had an organization that's ostensibly set up to be helping people.

00:54:33.200 And the people that they're helping are prioritizing. I mean, what about the discomfort of

00:54:39.280 women? You know, we talk about a lot about the discomfort of these men who may have a hard

00:54:45.700 time in the men's prison, although technically, a lot of these men, I strongly suspect, are not

00:54:52.120 actually having any kind of body dysmorphia whatsoever. Right. But what about the discomfort

00:54:57.480 of women? Why? Why isn't that a priority for nearly anyone? And the physical safety, it goes beyond

00:55:05.540 if I had to choose, even if a man really did have dysmorphia, and we had to choose between his

00:55:11.640 discomfort with his own body and the physical safety of the woman in prison, I'm going to go 0.91

00:55:15.560 with the physical safety of the woman in prison. You know, so even if it was real discomfort, which

00:55:20.080 as you said, I think it's not in a lot of cases, still, there's priorities. And why don't women's 1.00

00:55:27.880 physical safety, why doesn't that matter more? I mean, in all these cases, when it comes to locker

00:55:32.540 rooms, when it comes to sports, why don't women's not just their rights in general to fairness and 1.00

00:55:38.320 to fair competition and to equality and all of that, but why don't our rights to physical safety

00:55:44.140 matter more than what a man says that he wants? I mean, I guess that's the question that a lot of

00:55:50.660 feminists have been asking for a very long time. That's the million dollar question. Yes. 1.00

00:55:56.200 It's kind of depressing when you put it like that. Right. So on May 31st, Wolf submitted a brief

00:56:02.060 in opposition to California's motion to dismiss the civil rights case opposing the California law

00:56:08.380 that allows male offenders into female prisons. And some things that they said were, I mean,

00:56:12.840 and this is just, again, it just seems like a parody, a really dark parody. The men that are

00:56:17.760 transferred to women's prisons are not even required to take hormones or have surgery. So 1.00

00:56:22.540 we're talking like, I'm sorry, again, explicit, but you're talking about a man who can physically 0.99

00:56:28.340 like rape a woman. It's not like he has been neutered in any way by hormones or by surgery 0.85

00:56:34.200 or anything. And right before this motion was filed, another female inmate was raped in prison. 0.89

00:56:38.740 So this actually happened. This is not some like hypothetical scenario, raped in prison by a male

00:56:43.520 inmate in the yard port-a-potty while another male accomplice stood guard outside. I mean, 0.67

00:56:49.120 if this doesn't make you just want to, oh my gosh, she was drugged and found unresponsive in her cell.

00:56:56.160 The rapist was not immediately removed from the yard, despite a number of women pleading with

00:57:01.920 the staff to do something. I mean, how do you, how do you describe this? What's your reaction to that?

00:57:11.340 I mean, with this, with this, you have horror after horror every day, almost. It seems like, you know,

00:57:19.020 why the extent to which it's so taboo to talk about this, that even a story like this isn't getting

00:57:29.540 really mainstream traction, of course not. Why is everyone so scared to stand up against this?

00:57:37.980 You know, women are being hurt terribly. 0.82

00:57:43.180 I guess I would say that it is a bit frustrating. I understand, but it's a bit frustrating for me that the

00:57:49.720 sports issue is the issue that's really taken hold in the public consciousness at the moment, because it's

00:57:55.660 something that we can all see. We see it in front of our eyes. We're told to deny the reality that we see in front

00:58:01.640 of us, for example, with Leah Thomas. And so these women in prison who are the most marginalized, I would

00:58:09.680 say, women in the entire country, are hidden from public view. And what happens to them, I mean, they, 1.00

00:58:17.240 even if they complain, they get put into lockup, they get put, which is basically isolation.

00:58:23.120 So if they say anything against this policy, then they are punished. And often, at least with the women 1.00

00:58:30.160 in New Jersey that I'm speaking with, they say that these men get certain priorities over women.

00:58:34.980 They get their own cell, you know, so they're very specifically being privileged over the women 1.00

00:58:43.240 within the facility. And they'll even say to the women that they can't say anything about it,

00:58:48.740 or else they'll be in trouble. So they brag about that.

00:59:00.160 I mean, as you said earlier, cruel and unusual punishment in so many different ways. And we are

00:59:09.500 seeing the prioritization of men's comfort over women's physical safety in so many different

00:59:14.800 areas, not just prisons, but also women's shelters, and also girls' bathrooms and girls' locker rooms.

00:59:20.300 And as I've heard Megan Murphy say before and ask such a good and disturbing question, as I'm sure you

00:59:26.440 have, like, what kind of man enjoys that? Like, what kind of man enjoys making a woman or a girl 0.98

00:59:31.800 uncomfortable? Like that spa, I think it was We Spa in LA, where this man, he, I guess, identified as the

00:59:39.580 opposite gender, and he was walking around erect in front of, like, minor girls. Someone who truly has

00:59:47.060 body dysphoria or gender dysphoria, who is truly uncomfortable in your body, and you want to be the

00:59:52.120 opposite sex. That is not a characteristic of true gender dysphoria. That is not a characteristic of

00:59:57.980 being uncomfortable in your body. That is a characteristic of someone who gets off on making

01:00:02.760 women feel uncomfortable. Like, as you mentioned earlier, we've always known that. Like, there are men

01:00:07.000 who, perverts, who like that kind of thing, who have been flashers, who have been sexual harassers, 0.98

01:00:13.000 and now they get to jump under the umbrella of transgender, and now they're an oppressed class 0.98

01:00:20.180 instead of an oppressor class. Now they are marginalized instead of just, like, a straight 0.79

01:00:25.060 white male who likes to harass women. And because of that, because of how they've climbed up the 0.72

01:00:30.980 intersectionality scale, just by way of declaration, their wants take priority over the needs of women. 0.98

01:00:39.280 And it's crazy how people just don't see that.

01:00:41.260 Yep. The white male rapist has more clout than the underprivileged women in prison who are victims 0.99

01:00:50.620 of sexual abuse. Isn't that something? It's crazy how that works. 0.99

01:00:53.940 Crazy how that works. I heard the story. I'm sure you saw it too. I first saw it was on Taylor Silverman,

01:00:59.780 who is a female skateboarder. It was on her Instagram, and now I'm seeing that it's reported 0.99

01:01:03.440 elsewhere that male skateboarders are being able to, you know, they identify as the opposite gender,

01:01:10.100 and then they are able to compete against female skateboarders. But it's not just that. I saw this New York

01:01:15.040 Post article that showed a 30-year-old, or 29, I think, a 29-year-old male who identifies as a woman

01:01:23.020 was in competition a few days ago against not other, just other female skateboarders, but 10- and 13-year-old 0.96

01:01:30.220 girls. So guess who won? Like, it was him. Of course he won the competition. And the poor girl who came in

01:01:35.960 second place, who is 13 years old, so more than half his age, you know, less than half his age,

01:01:44.620 is saying, oh, I don't mind. You know, I want to be inclusive. I want to love everyone. Of course

01:01:48.680 this little girl is going to say that. She doesn't want to be bullied online. She doesn't want to be

01:01:52.880 called a transphobe. Who knows that? No one asked the 10-year-old little girl for comment. But

01:01:58.240 seriously, I mean, the people online, people on Twitter defending this guy and saying, oh, you know,

01:02:03.640 what advantage does he have over these people? You know, I can't, seriously saying that they can't

01:02:08.540 imagine what advantage this man would have over a 10-year-old girl in skateboarding. So I wonder

01:02:14.820 if you ever think that people's minds have just become mush over this subject. Like, what do you

01:02:19.860 think the mass delusion is that has come over people's brains that they just refuse to see reality

01:02:25.400 here? I'm not going to lie. Of course, I think that's sometimes what happened. This is insane. But I think

01:02:33.020 part of it too is definitely technology and social media. I know that this probably gets talked about

01:02:39.480 a lot or maybe there's a tendency to over hyperbolize the importance of this. But I really

01:02:48.200 think it is crucial because, you know, social media, technical, well, just think about the fact that

01:02:53.340 we're interacting right now through a device with each other. So we're already kind of separated from

01:02:58.100 our own reality. Does that make sense? So we already have all of these things between us that

01:03:02.580 are separating us from reality. So it's not quite so much of a leap to go a little bit further.

01:03:07.500 And then you have people on social media who are using the hive mind or the echo chamber,

01:03:13.400 whatever you want to call it, but basically peer pressure. And the power of human deniability

01:03:19.280 actually is quite strong, much stronger than I would have thought before I got involved in all of this.

01:03:24.780 I used to think, well, surely if people are presented with the truth or with facts,

01:03:33.420 then they would come around. And I'm starting to wonder about that, having seen all of this. But

01:03:40.620 that's why we have to keep talking about it. And, you know, again, I just wanted to reiterate the

01:03:45.980 importance of, you know, the reason why I'm doing this is because I'm concerned about children,

01:03:50.000 the medical abuse of children. You know, I myself, I grew up with epilepsy and I was recommended for

01:03:56.760 lobotomy at around 11 years old. And thankfully, my father intervened on my behalf. So that was

01:04:05.140 happening that recently in the United States? Well, yes, technically, lobotomy can be considered

01:04:11.800 a treatment for epilepsy that doesn't respond to drugs. And it's very rare, but I was not responding

01:04:19.940 well to the medication, which one of those medications was made by the same company that

01:04:26.340 makes Lupron, which is the hybrid blockers for children and has its own scandal that's called

01:04:31.540 Depakote. So anyway, so I myself went through a lot of medical interventions or medical things that

01:04:41.280 I didn't feel comfortable with, things that were scary for me, things that caused me to dissociate

01:04:45.780 or depersonalize from my body. And so the issue of children, you know, it resonates with me very

01:04:52.780 strongly when I listen to the voices of detransitioners, which we should, I think, all be 1.00

01:04:57.740 trying to amplify more and more because there will be a lawsuit coming. And the sooner the better. So

01:05:03.320 we need to get ahead of that and get behind these children and support them and be ready for that

01:05:09.120 lawsuit. And one way we can do that is by looking at WPath and criticizing WPath, who has been

01:05:16.260 recommending these protocols. Yes. And I know that we're about to close out, but I realized that we

01:05:21.660 never circled back to the man who identifies as Monica Hogue, who came up with the transgender flag.

01:05:30.180 And I've always pointed out how I think it's so weird that the transgender flag is baby colors, 1.00

01:05:34.240 like baby blue and baby pink. That in itself to me is creepy. But could you just tell us quickly,

01:05:39.120 who this person is and how they came up with this flag and why that matters?

01:05:46.260 So, right. So Monica Helms, he goes by and then his birth name, Robert Hogue. Hogue, I'm not sure

01:05:53.480 how to pronounce it. But yeah, so he's an army veteran. He's in the Navy. Sorry, he was in the Navy.

01:06:00.260 Um, and he, I read his memoir, which is called more than just a flag. And he very openly talks about

01:06:07.120 his, uh, fetishes in that book. It's, it's quite something I don't necessarily recommend it, but he

01:06:14.960 spends a great deal of time talking about wanting to lose his virginity, for example, um, and stealing

01:06:21.120 women's underwear. Um, just astonishing. So again, a fetish. Right. I wondered too, why don't people 0.94

01:06:30.660 know who created the trans flag? That's what got me interested in this. Like we should be talking

01:06:35.220 about this person more if they're so influential that they even have an emoji of the trans flag.

01:06:39.180 And yet no one knows his name. No one knows anything about him. As far as I can tell, not

01:06:44.340 anyone's read his memoir apart from me. It's, I can't find anybody anyway. So he, he also had a

01:06:50.440 book of, uh, science fiction short stories, which are basically light versions of the forced

01:06:56.840 feminization erotica, um, that I was telling you about. And that involves themes too, of like age

01:07:02.300 regression. And I'm not kidding. If you go to Amazon right now and you type in TG age regression,

01:07:08.420 you're going to see some stuff. So he, he, uh, he wrote this fantasy about marrying a little girl

01:07:16.300 who doesn't age. Um, she's a witch. Apparently this is her superpower. And then they have a daughter 0.74

01:07:23.180 together who looks like him and has that same power. So it's this, this weird projection of,

01:07:31.700 I mean, it's pedophilia, it's pedophilia. So the person who created the transgender flag, 1.00

01:07:40.260 which happens to be baby colors also wrote pedophile pornography, basically a pedophile fantasy. 0.96

01:07:49.420 There's just, there's, there's so much, there's so much more that I could talk to you about. Just,

01:07:53.260 I just want to list like a couple of things that you've reported on. There was, there's this man

01:07:57.820 who is a convicted toddler rapist, who is now an award winning trans activist who goes by Zena 0.90

01:08:05.840 Grandicelli born Jeffrey Wilsey. There was also this terrible story that you wrote about, about, uh, 0.66

01:08:13.940 a toddler, a toddler killer who, Oh, I read about that murder and I won't even say it on here. How

01:08:19.200 awful it is. You reported on this, um, in May named Christopher King. He has been transferred now

01:08:27.780 to the women's prison in New York because he suddenly decided that he is transgender. So

01:08:33.880 all of what you're talking about and the roots of where it's coming from and what's underneath it,

01:08:38.940 I mean, that is affecting policy. And that is then in a, in, in turn affecting, especially women 0.90

01:08:46.800 and children. I mean, uh, I, I think we haven't even scratched the surface, or at least in this

01:08:53.680 conversation, we haven't even scratched the surface of just the depths of depravity.

01:08:57.780 That are behind all of this. Um, so just to kind of close us out, um, besides like following you

01:09:03.660 and supporting you, which I really, really encourage people to do, like, what can people

01:09:08.080 do who care about this and who want to sound the alarm about this and want to do something

01:09:11.920 about this, but they just feel totally powerless. What do people do?

01:09:16.340 Uh, so I would guess the first thing is to talk with other people. Um, one of the problems with this

01:09:23.040 issues, people often feel alone or that they're going crazy, that nobody is thinking the same way

01:09:29.760 that they are or seeing the same things that they are. So trying to talk about it, um, for those who

01:09:36.100 can, um, get involved with your school, uh, try, we really need to try to fight back against this being

01:09:43.560 in the school system as well. But for, for those who, who have, you know, maybe a more legal mind,

01:09:51.040 I would try to encourage you to, to find ways to support detransitioners or to, to be prepared for 1.00

01:09:58.860 a medical lawsuit that I, I mean, just this week, we saw a boy in, in the UK who's suing the NHS, uh,

01:10:06.900 over this, uh, surgery that he was, he felt forced into or pushed into. So, I mean, that's coming and,

01:10:14.380 uh, we need to be ready for it. But I guess the biggest thing that most of us could do is just to

01:10:21.320 keep talking about it. And, you know, for my part, I try to keep highlighting the aspects of it that are

01:10:27.580 really grim and difficult to look at because I know that people tend to not want to talk about the,

01:10:33.320 the fetish aspect. It's very uncomfortable. It's very squeamish and, um, very, very unpleasant. Uh,

01:10:40.440 but, um, it's there. So we got to do something about it.

01:10:46.180 Yeah, we do. And I just, I mean, this is a, a Christian podcast. And I think like one of the

01:10:51.460 most disheartening things for me is to see people who I know, or they say that they have the same

01:10:57.240 belief system as I do. Christianity is very clear about the existence of male and female.

01:11:03.460 They really don't want to talk about this because people, and not just Christians, but so many

01:11:07.740 people have been convinced that in order to be loving, in order to not be a bigot, which no one

01:11:11.640 wants to be, you just kind of have to go along to get along. You just kind of have to accept every

01:11:16.680 new iteration of sexuality and identity in order to be a loving person. And I'm so thankful for people

01:11:23.840 like you who just kind of put the brakes on that and say, hang on, like, we need to look under the hood

01:11:28.860 here. We need to look at what's really going on. And I agree. The more you talk about it,

01:11:33.180 the more you lift the hood, the more you look at the atrocities that are going on in the name of this

01:11:37.620 ideology. I do. I just hope and pray that people wake up to the reality of how dark this is. So 0.86

01:11:43.040 thank you for what you do. Where can people find you and support you?

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01:12:18.720 Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on. Please come back anytime. I know

01:12:23.740 that there's a lot that we didn't get to cover today. Anytime you have a new story or a new

01:12:27.120 investigation, we would love to amplify it as much as possible. So thank you so much.

01:12:32.260 Great. Thank you for having me, Ellie.

01:12:33.600 All right. I just want to do a quick outro because I want to remind you all as you are

01:12:41.280 listening to this and realizing just how dark and awful this is that our presidential administration

01:12:47.100 in the United States is pushing this stuff hardcore. The Biden administration, the USDA,

01:12:53.320 under the direction of the Biden administration is withholding, is withholding food funding for poor

01:13:00.860 children if the schools that receive this kind of funding do not allow boys into girls' locker rooms

01:13:10.580 and bathrooms. And so the Biden administration is forcing this kind of stuff. They're pushing this

01:13:15.120 kind of stuff. Also, they have changed Title IX to mean not just banning discrimination on the basis of

01:13:24.800 sex, but also banning discrimination on the basis of so-called gender identity, making it impossible

01:13:32.340 for any kind of public entity to ban males from female sports or female locker rooms or female 0.96

01:13:41.980 bathrooms. And so they're pushing this stuff. They're forcing this kind of stuff. They are negating

01:13:47.420 biological categories and saying that if you declare yourself to be a woman, then again, 0.92

01:13:54.040 your comfort and your wishes trump a woman's right to fairness or to safety or to privacy. I mean, 0.96

01:14:00.660 it really is some kind of sick joke. It's some kind of dystopian nightmare that we are living in when it

01:14:07.120 comes to this stuff. And again, as I just kind of alluded to with Genevieve, I just do not understand.

01:14:13.040 I cannot understand besides them being just completely deluded with the spirit of the age,

01:14:18.100 professing Christians who tiptoe around this, who pretend that, oh, we just need to be polite

01:14:22.560 about it. It's just a nuanced topic that we don't really need to talk about. Once again, just like on

01:14:27.440 the abortion issue, you are failing to do your job. Like you're failing to do your job as a Christian, 0.96

01:14:32.400 which is not just to speak the truth in love. And this is the most basic truth there is. It's all the

01:14:36.500 way in Genesis 127 that God made us male and female. But also you are failing to act in love.

01:14:42.680 You're failing to protect women and children. And both scenarios, by the way, when it comes to

01:14:46.720 abortion and when it comes to gender ideology, like what are you good for? Just like giving 0.80

01:14:51.460 these so-called nuanced takes on Twitter about how we need to walk the line on everything. And

01:14:56.100 apparently the Bible is clear on absolutely nothing. According to these people, they're cowardly and 0.99

01:15:01.700 people are being hurt because of that. If just every single Christian, not even talking about the 1.00

01:15:06.400 general public, if just every single Christian would stand up against this stuff and be clear about it

01:15:11.100 and push for a good policy that recognizes not just biblical, not just morality, but also reality,

01:15:18.880 then we wouldn't be in the mess that we're in. But because so many Christians have been deluded into 1.00

01:15:23.900 thinking that empathy means accepting all forms of irrationality and all forms of immorality and all

01:15:30.540 forms of anarchy, we are in this terrible state of depravity and people are being hurt because of that.

01:15:37.040 So let this be your wake-up call. First of all, stop voting for these people if you are for some

01:15:42.580 reason. But also stop believing that politeness is what is required for you as a Christian. It's not.

01:15:50.480 Truth is. Courage is. Obedience to God is. And obedience to God is going to look like resistance to

01:15:56.040 this absurdity. All right. That's all I've got for you today. We will see you back here on Monday.

01:16:01.740 I hope you have a great weekend.

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