Ep 638 ｜ The Suspicious '10-Year-Old Who Needs an Abortion' Story
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A 10 year old girl in Ohio was allegedly raped by her boyfriend and is now pregnant with his baby. What does this mean for her chances of getting an abortion? Is this a case of rape, or is it something else? Plus, the Ellen Page and Elliot Page controversy, and Macy Gray's comments on gender.
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Okay, y'all, we've got a lot to talk about today. I'm just going to be real.
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We had an interview that was scheduled for this morning that unfortunately had to be rescheduled
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last minute. Hopefully it will be rescheduled soon. So we've kind of been scrambling the Relatable
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team this morning trying to figure out what we are going to talk about. So we are going to be
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talking about many stories today, lots of important stories. But just so you know, this has kind of
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been thrown together just to give you a little insight into what is going on behind the scenes.
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Thankfully, there's a lot going on that I knew that I wanted to talk about. So just FYI,
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this is all extemporaneous commentary coming from yours truly. We're going to talk about that Ohio
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story that has been circulating about the 10-year-old girl that allegedly is pregnant and was denied an
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abortion and was made to travel to another state. And this is being hoisted up as an example by the
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media of the draconian nature of abortion laws and why overturning Roe v. Wade was such a terrible,
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terrible thing. Many of you have asked me about this story, what I think about it. We're going to go
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through some questions that I have that this journalist has raised as well on Twitter about
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that story and break down why maybe it's not the best example of the argument that the media is
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trying to make. We're also going to talk about the story that was published by the star of One Tree Hill.
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What's her name? Hillary Burton. She reported to the Hollywood Reporter that she had an abortion,
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but what she says is not actually describing an abortion. And so I'm going to respond to that.
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And then we are going to talk about the Ellen Page, Elliot Page controversy. Jordan Peterson got
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kicked off Twitter for calling the person who is now calling herself Elliot Page, Ellen Page. And we're
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also going to react to this awesome Macy Gray clip. She was on Pierce Morgan's show. You know Macy Gray
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from that song in 2001 that all of us knew. And she has something to say about gender. So we're going
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to try to get to all of that today. It's going to be fun. All right, let's talk about this terrible Ohio
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story. So first of all, if a child, if a 10 year old is pregnant, then there is a high likelihood that
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this is not just some kind of romantic interaction with a boy that is her age. This is very likely
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that this child has been raped. And I've said this before. This is apparently a controversial
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position. I do not believe that most crimes solicit the death penalty. I think that they that should be
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reserved for the most heinous crimes like premeditated murder. But also, I think that the death penalty
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should be issued for the rape of a child. And I won't caveat that I won't backtrack on that. I won't try to
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soften that stance. I believe that if this child was raped, which it is very likely, as I said,
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that she is that the person who raped her should get the death penalty. And so by me talking about
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this story or being against abortion, that is not me minimizing the grotesque nature of this kind of
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crime. Like there is there is really no greater evil than the sexual exploitation and the sexual abuse
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of a child. So I don't want you to think that I don't take something like this very seriously. If
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it were up to me, the person who did this would already be on death row. So I'll just start by
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saying that. And that actually leads us into what is the very curious nature and the suspicious nature
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of this story. You've read this story in a million different outlets at this point. You know all about
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it that there is an Ohio girl, apparently 10 years old, who is pregnant, who couldn't get an abortion.
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And you know what is strangely missing from these stories? Any talk about who actually impregnated her.
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There is strangely very little talk about the crime and about the person who probably raped her.
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There is very little talk about the responsibility on the other end of the person
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who did this to her. Isn't that strange? Like, isn't that the great atrocity that we should all be
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talking about here? Isn't that the first question that everyone should have? Not whether this child
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is going to be able to get an abortion, but who did this to this child? Like, don't you think fair
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and responsible reporting would highlight that? Like, wouldn't that be the lead? But as this journalist
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on Twitter, whose name is Megan Fox, not that Megan Fox, the journalist Megan Fox, as she points out in
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this long Twitter thread, the fact that that is not being talked about by these journalists who are
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reporting on this story is our first of many red flags when it comes to this. So I'm going to read
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you this thread, or at least part of this thread. It's a very long thread by this journalist Megan Fox,
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The story about a 10-year-old pregnant girl who had to go from Ohio to Indiana for an abortion gives me
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serious pause for a number of reasons. There are many red flags. I'm going to detail them here.
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Number one, pregnant 10-year-old is evidence of a heinous crime against a child, but in every article,
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there is no mention of a criminal investigation, no police involvement, not even a town where this
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occurred. So there is a strange lack of specifics here.
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An unnamed child abuse doctor called Dr. Caitlin Bernard, so this supposed child abuse doctor,
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called up Dr. Caitlin Bernard, who is an abortionist in Indiana, to ask for help, allegedly.
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But any doctor, this reporter Megan Fox says, who knows of abuse is actually required to call law
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enforcement. That's true. They are mandatory reporters. There should be a criminal investigation
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involving Ohio Department of Family Services and police. And again, you would think that that
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would be reported by the journalists who are talking about this story. Third red flag. The timing
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is a little too on the nose. So right after Roe v. Wade happened, this is overturned. This becomes a
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national news story that's really convenient for the people who have been trying to push the idea
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that abortion is a necessary procedure that should be legalized through all nine months of pregnancy.
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Fourth red flag, says Megan Fox. The article was first published in the Indy Star, but in record time
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was picked up by huge international press. Fifth red flag, she says, immediately used. It was used as a
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political weapon against Republican Governor Kristi Noem and will be used against other pro-life
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politicians. She is referencing an interview that Governor Kristi Noem did on CNN with Dana Bash.
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Governor Kristi Noem has also pushed pro-life legislation. She has pro-life herself. And so
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Dana Bash on CNN was trying to push back on her on this and used this story as a political cudgel
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against Kristi Noem. Again, it's a little bit too convenient. And then you've got the sixth possible
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red flag. Dr. Caitlin Bernard is the only source and she has been in the New York Times participating
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in an anti-Trump hit piece and is clearly an activist. She has monetary stake in preserving
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abortion. Dr. Caitlin Bernard has been making her rounds in the media for a very long time. And again,
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she is the only source when it comes to this story. So apparently all of these journalists are
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relying on Dr. Caitlin Bernard, who is an abortionist in Indiana, who says that a child abuse doctor in
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Ohio called her and told her about a 10-year-old girl who needed an abortion. That's the only source,
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the only verification, the only substantiation that we have. And this Dr. Caitlin Bernard happens
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to have a long history with the liberal media supporting so-called abortion rights.
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As Megan Fox, as she explains that there is no way to verify Bernard's claim. She has doctor-patient
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confidentiality and no one can FOIA her. Number eight red flag. Jennifer Rubin used this to batter
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conservatives in the Washington Post and is a notorious tool for the left using the story
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to harm pro-lifers. None of the lawmakers' ninth red flag, Megan Fox says, none of the lawmakers'
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politicians, news people seem to care about the crime committed against the child. So kind of going
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back to the beginning here, no one is demanding an investigation. And number 10, weird thing,
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Dr. Bernard's first instinct was to call the media. Yes, I would say very strange, but also very fitting
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of the profile of Dr. Caitlin Bernard as she has been in the media for a very long time supporting
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a legislation that allows abortion or lacks abortion laws. The other strange thing here is that the Ohio
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law that is currently in place, and that is a ban on abortion after six weeks. It passed in 2019,
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but there was a pause on the law and recently a judge lifted the pause on the law after Roe v. Wade was
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overturned a couple weeks ago. So now this six-week ban on abortion is in place. Well, here's what the
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Ohio law says, specifically, quote, that if the abortion, here's the exception, I should say.
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If it is necessary, the Ohio law says, if an abortion is necessary to prevent the death of the
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pregnant woman or to prevent a serious risk of the substantial and irreversible impairment of a major
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bodily function of the pregnant woman, that's actually a pretty big exception because that can
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be left up to the discretion of a doctor who could say that an abortion is necessary according to his
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expertise because he thinks that it is going to injure the woman. And so the big gripe that I think
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everyone understandably has is that pregnancy on a 10-year-old girl, a child would impair that child's
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health, would impair that child's body. But the Ohio law has a specific exception for that, not just the
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life of a mother. That's not the only exception. The other exception is that if the pregnancy would
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pose a serious risk of substantial and irreversible impairment of a major bodily function of the pregnant
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woman, it sounds to me like an abortionist in Ohio right now, even with this six-week ban,
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could justify performing an abortion on this 10-year-old girl if this story is true. But
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nowadays, journalists don't even ask that question. They don't even care if the story is true. And this
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is also how we know that many of the activists and the journalists, but I repeat myself, many of the
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people on CNN don't actually care about this girl. They don't actually care about her well-being.
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They're apparently not concerned with the rapist who impregnated her. They're not concerned that
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this person is brought to justice. They're not concerned with any sort of investigation into this
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or what law enforcement is doing. This is the same media who takes every opportunity to try to criticize
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the police where they can. Now, they're not even calling on the police to try to protect this girl or
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other girls that could be raped by the same guy who probably raped this girl. So that means that
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their motives are suspect. That means the entirety of this story is suspect. So I just think that we
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need to be thinking a little harder. Unfortunately, we can't trust our media. They've got an agenda.
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They've got a preconceived notion. They've got a preconceived conclusion. And they are going to
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find stories, find anecdotes that will help them support that conclusion. Of course, that's not
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what journalism is supposed to be. You're not supposed to have a preformed conclusion. You are
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supposed to find the facts, allow the facts to lead you and go where they lead you. You don't even have
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to form some sort of editorial conclusion. That's not supposed to be the job of a journalist. And it's
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certainly not supposed to be the job of a journalist to be an activist and to try to change people's
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opinion on a certain policy. That's not supposed to be their job, but it is, which means we have a
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bigger responsibility to ask questions and to fact check. So I'm very thankful to this actual journalist,
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Megan Fox, for asking these questions and for raising these red flags. This does not minimize the
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possibility of this being real. It doesn't minimize the seriousness of rape,
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but it does call into question the motives of the people who are reporting
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on this, the veracity of this story, not just because we're not able to substantiate it at all
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and we're relying on this sole source who has suspect motives herself, but also because none of these
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stories are even talking about what the law says that would clearly make an exception for this young
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girl. This is a tough situation. This is a tough hypothetical, of course, for pro-lifers to grapple
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with. At the end of the day, we believe that the baby's life, no matter the circumstances surrounding
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their conception and the mother's life, are equally valuable. We don't believe that the child's life is
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more important and more valuable than the mother's life. And we don't believe that the mother's life is
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more valuable than the child's life. We believe that they are equally valuable and that everything
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should be done when possible to try to preserve the life of both the mother and the baby. There are
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situations where that's not possible. Enectopic pregnancy is one of those situations. There are
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situations in which the physical lives may be pitted against one another. And in that case, we believe
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that both lives are equally valuable. But don't fall for this emotional manipulation that this story is
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wrapped in. See it as the moral extortion that it is and just reject its premise. Another faulty part
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of this is that no one who is pushing the story as a way to defend their views on abortion would be
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willing to restrict abortion to cases like this. They're not interested in saying, okay, abortion
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should be banned except for when a 10-year-old is raped and then they should be able to get an
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abortion. They're just bringing this up to try to manipulate you. All of the activists that are
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highlighting this case to try to extort you are interested in allowing abortion through all nine
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months of pregnancy. And so it's a fallacious argument, again, to just try to trigger your
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emotions into buying into their illogical and what I think is an inhumane position that it is okay to
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purposely kill a human being just because they reside in the womb.
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Okay, let's talk about this Hollywood Reporter story that I saw reported on. I saw the headline
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on Twitter. So Hillary Burton, I think she was in One Tree Hill. She said this, having an abortion
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after my fetus died allowed for my uterus to heal in a way that made it healthy enough to carry future
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pregnancies. This is, once again, propaganda. How often have we seen this propaganda over the past two
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weeks? A DNC that is performed after a miscarriage where your child naturally and tragically dies is not
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an abortion. Yes, I know the medical coding and the coding for insurance is unfortunately billed as an abortion
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and maybe you should try to lobby to change that in some kind of state legislation, but it's a spontaneous
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abortion. Every single medical professional knows that there's a difference between an induced abortion
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where you are purposely taking the life of an innocent human being inside the womb and a spontaneous
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abortion in which your child dies inside the womb through no fault of your own. There was some kind of
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complication, some kind of anomaly, something caused the child to die in the womb and then you have to
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remove that child. Of course you have to remove the child. You're not purposely killing the child.
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You are removing the child. And some people are saying, well, it's hard to get a miscarriage now
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in certain states because of how these laws are written. Look, I can't verify all of the anecdotes
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that you're seeing on social media, the women who are saying that they are unable to get the medication
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that they need to expel their baby after a miscarriage because some of it is the same medication that is
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used in an abortion. But I have read the laws on the books that are restricting abortion in states and
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all of them explicitly say that care for a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy, the ones that I've read
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explicitly say that care for a miscarriage or an ectopic pregnancy are not an abortion and they're not
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restricted. So if those pharmacies or those hospitals, doctors or nurses are refusing to care for those
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patients, to care for those women who have had miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies, it's not the fault of the
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law. It might be the fault of lawyers. It might be the fault of the pharmacist. It might be the fault of the
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hospitals. And that's really unfortunate. And I really hope they're not doing that to try to make some kind of
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political point. I really hope that that is not the case. But it's not the fault of the laws, the ones
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that explicitly say that, hey, care for a miscarriage or care for ectopic pregnancies. That does not fall
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under any kind of ban or any kind of restriction on abortion. And people I've seen story after story
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saying, oh, abortion saved my life. And then you read the story and they're actually talking about
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just having a DNC after a miscarriage. No, police officers are not investigating the bodies of
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women who are having miscarriages. That is not something that is a result of these laws. If it
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is like I will be one of the first people to talk about it. If there is a law that is restricting
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care for miscarriage for miscarriages or restricting care for ectopic pregnancies, I will also, as a pro-life
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anti-abortion person, be standing up against that, calling my legislators and saying, look, you need to be
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more specific. You need to be more explicit in these laws. I also don't want those consequences.
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I do not want women to be mistreated or for women to die because they cannot get their miscarriage
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or ectopic pregnancy treatment. I also don't want that. Pro-lifers have no interest in that
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whatsoever. That's the opposite of what we want. So if you can point me to the specific laws that
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are restricting the care of miscarriages or ectopic pregnancies, then I will fight with you
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against that particular law or against a particular line of that law. But you never actually see the
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specific citations from people who are claiming that the overturning of Roe v. Wade is leading to
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the lack of care in these areas. You never see a specific citation of a specific piece of
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legislation that is restricting this type of care. They never cite their facts. They just say,
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well, this is happening. Well, show me the law that is causing this to happen. And again, I would say
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the timing is a little bit suspect. Doctors and nurses in all kinds of states have had to deal with
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some kind of restriction on abortion. So they have always had to distinguish between an induced abortion
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and a miscarriage. They've always had some kind of limit to abortion, at least in most states,
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and they've had to deal with that. So you're saying all of a sudden, these doctors don't know
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how to distinguish between abortion procedures and caring for a miscarriage or ectopic pregnancies.
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All of a sudden, they're confused about that. All of a sudden, these pharmacists are confused
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and are worried about that. There have always been laws on the books, especially in red states,
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restricting abortion and the kinds of procedures that you can do and at what stage. And we haven't seen
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this slew of stories about how doctors are unable to treat women who are suffering from miscarriages.
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So again, I just think it's very suspect. And the conflating of miscarriages and abortions is just
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a form of propaganda. It's a form of propaganda. And there's celebrity after celebrity that's coming
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out and that they're doing the same thing. So we have to think. Again, we have to be critical thinkers.
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We have to ask questions. When you have friends that bring you stories like this,
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before you respond, before you give your argument, ask them. Ask them to define their terms. Ask them,
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what do you mean by abortion in this case? Why do you say abortion if the baby already died?
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I also think, by the way, this is just an aside, that it's so sad when these celebrities like Hillary
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Burton use the word fetus. You know they're only using the word fetus because they are talking
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about abortion and because they are trying to dehumanize their baby. Like, you know that depending
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on the stage of pregnancy, she already knew the gender of her baby. You know that she called this
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baby a baby when she was probably originally talking about her miscarriage or when she was
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originally talking about being pregnant. There is no difference between a fetus and a baby. A fetus is
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just a stage of development. It's just a stage of life. It's just an age. Fetus is Latin for small
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child, for baby. It's just another stage of human life. And so when people try to use that to try to
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dehumanize a baby, you know that's just, again, a rhetorical trick to try to manipulate you.
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So when you see these stories, ask questions. That's the biggest tool in your toolkit. Rather than
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responding with an argument or feeling like you have to be on the offense, ask questions. Ask
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questions. Make them define their terms and cite their sources and support their argument. Remember,
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it is not radical to believe that it is unjust and wrong to kill an innocent human being just because
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of their age and size and location. That's not radical. That's a very common sense and compassionate
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position. It is radical to believe that it is okay, that it is justified, that it should be legal
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to kill an innocent human being, a baby. That is the radical position. So they should be the ones
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that have to defend their position first, primarily, not you.
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Okay, so just real quickly, I want to touch on this story because everyone was talking about it
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on Twitter. So Jordan Peterson, on June 22nd, he got kicked off Twitter because he was responding to
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some story about the person who now refers to herself as Elliot Page. If you don't know, this is
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the actress from Juno. And she first came out as, I think, bisexual, then she came out as a lesbian.
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And then recently, she said that, oh, no, I'm actually a man. And she transitioned. And what I
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mean by transition is that she had a double mastectomy. And she started, I guess, being on hormone
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treatments to where her body is supposed to look masculine. And as a lot of people pointed out,
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and I don't say this as like a zinger. I'm not trying to be mean in any way or dehumanizing because
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I actually have like just a lot of sadness and compassion for this person. Like she does not
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look well. And in case you're new here, I do use pronouns that match someone's biology. I don't go
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along with that delusion. I do typically refer to the person like by their new name because that
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doesn't force me to lie. There's some debates about that, though. Some people have brought up
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some good points that you shouldn't even do that. But I'm okay. I'll call Ellen Elliot, but I'm not
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going to call her he. Well, Jordan Peterson also committed this crime when he said, remember when
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Pride was a sin and Ellen Page had just had her breasts removed by a criminal physician. Agree,
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like we shouldn't be chopping up people's bodies for healthy breasts and like healthy sexual organs,
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especially when people so often don't even know the risks and potential side effects of this kind
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of thing. It's just I mean, it's really sad. And then Dave Rubin got kicked off Twitter on July 1st.
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He tweeted a screenshot of the notification that Jordan Peterson got. Jordan Peterson got a
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notification from Twitter saying, hey, you've been kicked off Twitter, suspended from Twitter
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for hateful conduct and you got to delete it. And then you can we might, you know, let you back on.
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And so Dave Rubin just posted a screenshot of that. And then Dave Rubin got kicked off Twitter,
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suspended from Twitter for posting the screenshot like he didn't even say anything about it.
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Well, OK, I guess this is why he said he he posted the screenshot and he said the insanity continues
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at Twitter. Jordan Peterson has been suspended for this tweet about Ellen Page. He just told me he will
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never delete the tweet paging Elon Musk. So this, I guess, goes against Twitter's rules for what they
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call dead naming and dead naming is saying a transgender person's previous name. Like this is
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so insanely Orwellian that someone's name that everyone knew them by, like a famous person like
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we all saw her acting in Juno. You're not even allowed to acknowledge that that person
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has been female, is still female, but identified as female forever and then transitioned.
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So they simultaneously want to be called like transgender people to be a part of like the
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marginalized class. But you're not even supposed to acknowledge that they transitioned from
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anything like, oh, you're transgender. What does that mean? Oh, you can't say what that actually
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means. Then you're not. OK, then you're just a straight white male. Then why are you getting all
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of this press? Like, why do people even care? So they want the oppression points from being
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transgender, but you can't even acknowledge that they transgendered or that they transitioned from
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one thing to another. You can't even acknowledge that. Oh, yeah, this person used to go by
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Ellen Page. This person is actually a biological female. I mean, you just have to shove that right
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down the memory hole. And there's also another 1984 part of this. It's not just the memory hole
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aspect, but the elimination of language so as to minimize our thought range. Like, again, because you
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cannot dead name someone, because you cannot use the actual pronouns that correspond to that person's
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DNA because you can't even refer to that person as what they are, you have such a limitation in your
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communication and your ability to even to even comprehend reality. And so you think about how kids
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are indoctrinated in this stuff, how they don't they're not even going to have the mental capacity
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to understand what is and what is it. And that is actually all part of the plan. So Ben Shapiro
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posts about Dave Rubin getting suspended. We are all waiting to see if he gets suspended by that
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because Ben Shapiro says sarcastically that, you know, Dave Rubin that he he got kicked off. And then
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he says, until five minutes ago, Elliot Page, who is very, very, very male, was a female actress named
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Ellen Page. And then here's and then Dave Rubin had a statement about that. So I doubt that Ben Shapiro
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will get kicked off. But I don't know. Jordan Peterson has a huge platform. And so does Dave Rubin
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and they were kicked off. So that's interesting. All right. I've just got one final thing to react to
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in talking about this whole transgender gender madness. It is so anti truth. If you want to know what
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else I think about it, you can listen to the many episodes we've done in the past. We'll link some
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of them as well as some abortion episodes if you're curious. But let me play this awesome clip
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by Macy Gray. She was on Pierce Morgan's show and she had this to say about gender.
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And I will say this and everybody's going to hate me. But as a woman, just because you go change your
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parts doesn't make you a woman. Right. Sorry. You feel that? I know that for a fact.
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I mean, that is only controversial and confusing to people who have replaced their brains with
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oatmeal. I mean, come on. That's not even like it. That wouldn't even be worth playing
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five years ago. Like try to explain to someone from 2010 or even like 2014 why this clip is
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controversial and why she had to backtrack because she did. She was like, I've got nothing
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but love for the LGBT plus community. Like, you know, basically saying that she's an ally and that
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her comments were taken out of context or that they were misinterpreted, which is sad that she
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even feels like she needs to make a statement. She's absolutely right. You don't just get to declare
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that you are a different gender and all of a sudden you are that thing. Come on. Come on.
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Of course, she's getting shellacked for that. But I say stand strong. Macy Gray, like you are on the
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side of truth. What you said is true. And if it is true, it is worth saying. All right. I hope that
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you liked that thrown together spontaneous episode that we had for you today. Tomorrow, we've got a lot
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of good stuff coming for you. Thanks so much for tuning in. We'll see you guys back here then.