Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 649 ｜ How Bad Theology & Corrupt Politics Devastated Black America ｜ Guest： Vince Ellison

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Today we are talking to Vince Ellison. He is

00:00:07.140 a conservative who is pushing back against the lies of the Democrat Party as they have been

00:00:13.900 fed perpetually over the past several decades, specifically to Black Americans. He argues that

00:00:20.300 Democrat policies and the ideology that is being pushed by the Democrat Party has actually destroyed

00:00:26.340 the Black community in America and how it has infiltrated Black theology and what is typically

00:00:32.220 referred to as the Black church has only been detrimental to Black Americans. So we are going 0.99

00:00:38.740 to talk about the details of the problems that he sees Black America facing. He is going to

00:00:44.780 give us some very strong recommendations for how we should be thinking about this, what we should be

00:00:50.540 doing about this politically. I know you're going to enjoy this. He is very bold. He is

00:00:57.060 extremely insightful. He's very knowledgeable about this subject. I know that you're going to love

00:01:03.540 his passion. Before we get started, this episode, as always, is brought to you by our friends at

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00:01:20.540 Before we get into that conversation, a couple things that I want to say. First, I don't know

00:01:28.900 the last time that you guys have read. This has nothing to do with what I'm about to talk about

00:01:33.240 with our guests, but I've been wanting to share this with you guys. So I don't know the last time

00:01:37.500 that you have read The Chronicles of Narnia or Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. So I'm reading that

00:01:42.780 right now with my toddler. It's not like a picture book. It's not like a young kid's version.

00:01:47.920 We're just reading it. And I don't know how much she's retaining, but she is

00:01:52.700 paying attention. And I hope that some of it is soaking in. Last night, I was reading about the

00:01:59.000 part. And I'm sorry if it's spoilers. If you haven't read it, this is going to be a little

00:02:02.540 bit of a spoiler. I highly recommend that you read it. And read it again if you haven't read it. And

00:02:07.340 read it with your kids, no matter how old they are, because it's such a beautiful picture of the

00:02:11.620 gospel. So I was reading the part where Aslan was voluntarily walking to be sacrificed. And I'm

00:02:19.800 reading as the minions of the White Witch are taking him down and torturing him and kicking him.

00:02:27.500 And he is just laying there peacefully. And Lucy and Susan, they're crying. They're wondering what's

00:02:32.740 happening. And of course, he is executed by the White Witch. And I was thinking this whole time, 0.99

00:02:39.060 he's doing this for Edmund. He's doing this for this traitor, the kid in the story who the whole

00:02:44.900 time you don't like, not just because he betrayed his own family. He did the worst thing that you can

00:02:51.680 possibly think of, but also because he was just kind of like the snotty brat in the character that

00:02:58.420 no one likes. And you kind of find yourself thinking throughout the book, I'm so glad that I'm not like

00:03:04.060 that. I'm so glad that that's not my personality. I would never do something like that. I would never

00:03:08.880 say something like that. And why can't he just be good? Like Peter and Susan and Lucy, why can't

00:03:14.980 he just see what is true? Why did he allow himself to be deceptive? Why is he so spiteful?

00:03:19.960 And then you're watching Aslan sacrifice himself for Edmund. And then you realize,

00:03:26.200 as I was realizing, I'm sure I've realized this before, because I've read this book several times,

00:03:30.500 but I could barely hold it together. Reading this part out loud, I realized that we are Edmund.

00:03:36.620 We are Edmund. We are the seemingly unlovable, the very undeserving people that Christ voluntarily

00:03:47.320 and peacefully and submissively sacrificed himself for. Throughout the book, you hate Edmund. You don't

00:03:55.660 like Edmund. You just want him to change. In the end, you realize that we are Edmund and that Christ

00:04:01.380 died for us. And man, you don't think that you can get that much out of a children's book. You don't

00:04:07.720 think that it's going to bring the kind of emotions that it does. But that's what the gospel does.

00:04:12.280 That's what the gospel does. Have you ever been singing a song on Sunday morning and you don't

00:04:17.280 even know, you don't even see it coming. You just get that lump in your throat and you get the tears

00:04:22.380 in your eyes as you just realize the beautiful simplicity and the wonder and the miraculousness

00:04:27.800 of the gospel. That's how I felt last night when I literally could not hold it together

00:04:32.720 reading this, what is supposed to be a children's book to my child. I just love, I love how the Holy

00:04:38.800 Spirit hits you with the truth of the gospel that you've heard a million times at the times that you

00:04:43.120 really least expect it and renew your gratitude. Renew your gratitude for what Christ has done for you

00:04:49.140 and renews your humility about where you actually stand before God without Christ.

00:04:54.900 So I just wanted to make sure that I told you that as a form of encouragement, also just

00:05:00.900 as a reminder to you about how beautiful the gospel is, and also as an encouragement to read

00:05:05.860 Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe if you haven't already. I wanted to mention that because since

00:05:09.920 this is not necessarily a theological episode and we don't have time to bring everything talked

00:05:15.240 about back into scripture as I like to do, I wanted to start off on that transcendent note

00:05:22.080 before we get into kind of the muck and the mire of politics and the problems that are unfortunately,

00:05:31.340 according to our guest, really troubling this community, the community of Black Americans that 1.00

00:05:37.620 he of course is a part of. And before we get into the actual conversation, I did want to kick us off

00:05:46.760 and set up some context for one troubling statistic that I saw recently that I really think speaks to

00:05:55.840 a lot of the issues that he is talking about facing Black Americans. And I was just stunned by this

00:06:02.420 when I saw it on Twitter. So this is a tweet by Ryan James Skrdusky. And he is quote tweeting

00:06:09.180 new statistics that were published by San Francisco public schools that were comparing white, Asian,

00:06:16.360 African-American, and of course it says Latinx or Latinx, Latino, Hispanic students when it comes to

00:06:24.300 enrollment, when it comes to absence, when it comes to suspensions, when it comes to ready for

00:06:31.020 kindergarten, math performance, reading proficiency. And really the comparisons are really,

00:06:37.000 really troubling. So according to this, 63% of Black kids are chronically absent. That's worse than

00:06:43.680 any other demographic here versus only 8% of Asian kids. 15% of Black kids are ready for high school

00:06:51.300 versus 71% of Asian kids. 28%, only 28% are reading proficient versus 70% of Asian kids and 85% of white

00:07:04.020 kids. So some of the biggest gaps that we see aren't actually between white students and Black

00:07:08.160 students, which is the only disparity that we're ever told that we have to, that we're supposed to

00:07:11.920 focus on, but actually between Asian students and Black students. I do not think that it is a coincidence

00:07:17.000 the fatherlessness rate is also the lowest among Asian Americans, lower than among white Americans,

00:07:22.820 lower than among Hispanic Americans. Of course, the fatherlessness rate is highest among Black Americans.

00:07:29.020 We're told that this is all because of systemic racism. This is all because of discrimination,

00:07:34.140 even in San Francisco, one of the most progressive and Democrat-dominated areas in the country. We're

00:07:41.900 told this is because of structural oppression that Black Americans are facing. But the question is,

00:07:47.980 is that really true? Is that the cause of the disparities and the struggles and the true oppression

00:07:58.120 that Black Americans have experienced and are experiencing today? My guest today would say

00:08:04.280 no. He would say that it's something else that is causing these problems.

00:08:18.800 Mr. Ellison, thanks so much for joining us. First, to start off, can you tell us who you are and what you do?

00:08:23.440 Yes, my name is Vince Everett Ellison. I'm a writer. I'm a lecturer. I was born on a cotton 0.99

00:08:31.860 plantation in Haywood County, Tennessee, and my father was a sharecropper. He pulled us out of

00:08:37.880 poverty, about hard work, believing in God. And we started a gospel singing group when I was a boy

00:08:44.560 called the Ellison family. We went around singing gospel music all over the South and all over the

00:08:49.560 eastern part of the United States of America, praising God and most Black churches around the

00:08:54.080 area. That's where I got my knowledge of the Black church. After that, I went into college with the

00:08:59.580 Memphis State University and started working in the prison system after that. And working in the

00:09:05.620 prison system is when I saw that we had not overcome. I saw that we had actually gone backwards

00:09:10.240 as Black people, and I wanted to find out why. So I quit my job after five years. I went into the 0.99

00:09:17.400 Black community to find out what was going on. And of course, the Black intelligentsia told me that

00:09:21.980 it was the evil, rich, white, conservative Republicans that were keeping Black people down. 0.96

00:09:26.060 So when I went into the ghettos to find out what was going on there, something interesting happened. 0.98

00:09:31.980 I saw no evil, rich, white Republicans anywhere. You see a leprechaun before you saw one.

00:09:37.040 As a matter of fact, I saw these three entities making a lot of money off of the chaos. 0.66

00:09:40.940 The Black preacher, the Black politician, the Black civic organizer. I called them the

00:09:46.500 Iron Triangle, and I wrote my first book, Exposing Them to the Country. And in my second book, I wrote

00:09:52.120 25 Lies of the Democrat Party. Lies to America, the 25 most seductive, damnable lies. And I showed 0.97

00:10:02.880 how the Black preacher, the Black politician, the Black civic organizer was just conduit between the

00:10:08.820 rich, white liberals and the Democrat Party, the Black community. Their job was to get the Black 0.98

00:10:12.080 vote. That was it for the Democratic Party. Hooker by crook. It doesn't matter. So that's what they've

00:10:18.600 been doing. That's what I've been exposing. That's what I've been talking about. And 25 Lies says

00:10:22.200 explicitly that the Democratic Party is the evilest institution in the history of the world.

00:10:27.740 Murder, you name it, they've done it.

00:10:30.740 Tell us a little bit more, before we get into more detail about your description of the Democrat Party,

00:10:36.860 tell us a little bit more about your observation that Black Americans had gone backwards. Is that

00:10:43.220 an opinion you still hold today? And what do you mean by that?

00:10:47.860 Yeah, if you look closely at the Black community now, every institution that we had before the

00:10:52.440 civil rights movement, family, economy, religion, church, education, have been destroyed. The Black 1.00

00:10:58.560 school, the Black education system destroyed, the Black family destroyed, the Black economy destroyed, 1.00

00:11:05.300 the Black churches become an apostate church controlled by a bunch of, they call it Black 1.00

00:11:12.200 liberation theology preachers who only talk about prosperity gospel. But Jesus said that a tree will 0.97

00:11:18.840 be known by the fruit it bear. He said, how will you know the false prophets? He said, you'll know them

00:11:22.540 by their fruit. Not by their works, not by what they say, but by what they produce. And if you look at

00:11:27.300 the Black community in every metric, except one, and that is electing Black liberal politicians, 0.99

00:11:33.100 Black people have gone backwards. And Democrats are proud of it. They're not trying to do anything 1.00

00:11:38.580 to change it. They fight against school choice. This last, when they got in, the first thing they

00:11:44.300 did was took the work requirement out of welfare. So you don't have to work now in order to get any

00:11:49.480 type of benefits from the government, which has made the people slaves to the Democrat plantation 0.75

00:11:54.280 again. They destroy the Black family. They're not trying to, they fought the welfare reform that 1.00

00:11:58.920 tried to build a Black family. They fight against any type, any type of religious liberty. Matter of 0.99

00:12:08.040 fact, they tried to pass a law to require churches to put LGBTQ bathrooms in them, to make them do LGBTQ 0.99

00:12:14.240 weddings. So the Democratic Party, from 1800 to 1860, it was the party of slavery. From 1860 to 1865, 0.66

00:12:25.680 it was the party of the Confederacy. From 1865 to 1965, it was the party of Jim Crow. And now it's 0.66

00:12:32.320 the party of abortion, atheism, lawlessness, extraconstitutionalism, and basically murder.

00:12:39.440 Florida. I have surmised and I've counted up that since their inception in 1800, they've killed over

00:12:44.280 100 million Americans, 60 million of them Black. And they're proud of it. They haven't changed a 0.76

00:12:50.540 thing. They are still an evil institution, same as they were in 1800. The Nazis came over here in 1920

00:12:57.380 to consult with the Democrat Party about the Nuremberg laws, because the Democrats had done to Black people

00:13:03.880 exactly what the Nazis wanted to do to the Jews. And they wanted to find out how to do it properly.

00:13:08.540 So they are an evil institution. And they haven't changed a bit. And you know that by looking at what

00:13:14.840 they've created in the Black community. And they want to spread it all over this nation. 1.00

00:13:19.020 Yes. Well, certainly there is a connection between Margaret Sanger and the eugenicist movement of the

00:13:24.620 early 20th century. She was the founder of Planned Parenthood. And of course, she had what she called, 1.00

00:13:30.100 as you know, the Negro Project. She said she didn't want the word to get out, that she wanted to

00:13:34.280 exterminate the Negro population. And man, that is still going on to this day. There is a wildly 1.00

00:13:40.460 disproportionate rate of abortion among Black women. And that is being perpetuated by Planned 0.76

00:13:47.560 Parenthood, which is funded by the Democrat Party. So certainly, I do think that there is that common

00:13:54.180 thread that we see today.

00:13:55.260 Oh, no doubt. It started in the civil rights movement. I was wondering why Kaepernick and

00:14:02.680 all the athletes started kneeling, you know, in 2018. I was confused about it because,

00:14:09.240 I mean, here they are. These guys are rich. They're all good-looking men. White people love 0.83

00:14:13.720 them. Black people love them. And I was wondering why they were kneeling. And, you know, the great

00:14:18.300 writer, Thomas Wolfe, said, you see a thing a thousand times before you see it once.

00:14:22.460 So I went to the Rayne Motel in Memphis during that time. It's where Dr. King was assassinated,

00:14:29.000 but they made it a civil rights museum. And in that civil rights museum, they were looping his

00:14:33.020 speech, I Have a Dream. And of course, I've heard that dream a thousand times, just like you. And

00:14:37.720 it's a very, very good speech. And King rocks his speech. But I heard something this time in this

00:14:42.780 speech that I had not paid attention to. And I said, this is the poison pill. Dr. King said 100 years

00:14:49.840 after the Emancipation Proclamation, the Negro is still not free. That is a lie. I was born free.

00:14:58.640 My freedom was given to me by God. He said that we come here to government to cast a promissory note

00:15:05.940 that guarantees us our unalienable rights. That is a lie. My unalienable rights come from God,

00:15:11.580 not government. John Lott says that they are irreversible, non-transferable, and unsellable.

00:15:18.500 He then doubled down on it when he told us to apologize and be ashamed of the color of my skin.

00:15:23.540 When he said that I have a dream that one day, my four little children will not be judged by the

00:15:28.020 color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Now, I don't have a problem with being

00:15:31.300 judged by the content of my character. But what's wrong with the color of my skin?

00:15:34.800 There's nothing wrong with the color of my skin. You don't want to be judged by something that

00:15:38.960 you're ashamed of. So I remember one time I picked up a doctor. His car had broken down on the side

00:15:45.120 of the road. I picked him up. He's a friend of mine. And the night before I had a road trip with my

00:15:49.420 children, car was just junk. I mean, I have a Cadillac Escalade, beautiful car, but my children

00:15:53.680 had just destroyed it and I hadn't cleaned it up yet. I said, doc, please don't judge me by how my car

00:15:59.100 looks today. I'm sorry it looks this way. I'm apologizing because I'm ashamed of it.

00:16:03.960 He told us to apologize and be ashamed of the color of our skin. It started a retro reaction

00:16:10.700 in black America. And we started going backward. And then he said at the end of this speech,

00:16:15.360 on some great day after all this stuff has happened, we'll be free at last, free at last.

00:16:18.740 We were already free. But he told us that we were not. And it caused us to believe that we had to go

00:16:26.000 to white America and to government to ask for our freedom. And this is the poison pill that's been 0.54

00:16:30.500 swallowed by black America. And it put a white America into a state of condemnation 0.98

00:16:34.640 and paternalism, where it made white America believe that they were somehow responsible

00:16:38.800 for my freedom. Kaepernick said he's oppressed. Al Sharpton says he's hunted. LeBron James says he's

00:16:45.560 afraid. Well, I stand here as a black man. I'm not oppressed. I am not being hunted. And I

00:16:52.440 show ain't scared of nobody. So they stick in my nostril. And I have nothing for them except

00:16:57.680 contempt. And we're taking them on. And this book exposes them.

00:17:01.280 I'm curious to hear a little bit more about the role that you believe that the black church

00:17:17.060 plays here. You mentioned that you grew up in the black church. You're very familiar with that.

00:17:22.080 And the black church is very, as you know, political, that they will often not just say,

00:17:26.780 hey, we need to vote, but actually explicitly say we need to vote Democrat. We need to vote for this

00:17:31.000 particular candidate. They will bring candidates in to their churches, endorse them. And of course,

00:17:37.300 white evangelical churches are criticized for being too patriotic, for having too many American

00:17:42.020 flags, or for talking about Trump. But the black church is traditionally extremely political.

00:17:48.140 If everything that you're saying is true, how Democrats really have been a tool of oppression

00:17:54.120 for black Americans, why do you think so much of the black church seems to be on board with it and

00:17:59.740 really encouraging the really hegemony that Democrats have over these communities?

00:18:06.840 The black church, and of course, you and I both know there's no such thing as the black church.

00:18:11.460 There's one church, the Church of Jesus Christ. The black church itself was set up by the slave 1.00

00:18:16.100 masters of the South to keep black people under control. And the black preacher was his tool. 1.00

00:18:19.900 He was taught by him. Martin Luther King was part of that. Matter of fact, after the Montgomery bus

00:18:26.920 boycott, Stanley Levinson, the number one communist in America, met with Martin Luther King Jr., and

00:18:32.400 they all started funding the civil rights movement, and they gave Dr. King an order, and they told him

00:18:37.500 to start to take over the National Baptist Convention. It was a 10 million strong black membership.

00:18:43.880 King and his crew tried to take it over, and they failed. Matter of fact, they got to fighting on the

00:18:48.260 floor at the National Baptist Convention in 1961, and they killed the preacher trying to take over

00:18:53.000 the convention. King was excommunicated from the black church for doing that. Listen to me now.

00:18:58.760 Martin Luther King Jr. was excommunicated from the black church for doing this. So King and a group 0.90

00:19:05.320 of his compatriots started another branch of the church, and they called that part the Progressive

00:19:11.780 National Baptist Convention. Look it up. That's the part of the black church that Raphael Warnock 0.99

00:19:17.580 is a part of, the Progressive National Baptist Convention. It's all politics. It's an apostate 0.98

00:19:24.060 religion. They started this black liberation theology that said that Jesus didn't like white people 0.98

00:19:30.220 because he would have identified with black people because he was oppressed and he was despised.

00:19:33.960 This church tells us that we are a despised race, that we are discriminated against, that we are hated. 0.92

00:19:40.980 And it has spread through most of the black church. So these black preachers right now, 0.99

00:19:46.320 any black preacher, and I'm going to say this to you definitively, any black preacher that supports 0.99

00:19:51.180 the Democrat Party is an apostate. He is a false prophet. He is a liar, and he is a hypocrite. 1.00

00:19:58.000 He supports abortion. He supports same-sex marriage. He supports kicking God out of the 1.00

00:20:03.660 public square and out of public education. He supports the destruction of family. That means

00:20:08.160 he is an apostate. And the condition of black America verifies what I'm saying. Look at the 1.00

00:20:13.820 condition of the people. If we, if they were right, we would be on the top of everything in America.

00:20:20.160 The Jewish people are doing well. The people from India are doing well. The people of Asian

00:20:25.020 Asian, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's doing well. Nigerians come over here 1.00

00:20:30.460 and one generation, they are the most prosperous immigrant group in America. And they are dark 1.00

00:20:37.260 skin black. It has nothing to do with skin color. It has nothing to do with being a minority. It has

00:20:42.740 everything to do with being taught everything that is against the face and against the capitalistic

00:20:49.280 concepts of America. It's like you're going to a doctor. You say, doctor, I got high blood

00:20:53.700 pressure. What do you want to do for me? He said, eat swine, don't exercise, eat a lot of salt

00:21:00.660 and lay on the couch all day and you'll be fine. You get worse. You come back a year later,

00:21:06.820 you're worse off. He says, continue doing what I'm telling you to do. Either he is a liar and he's

00:21:14.740 trying to kill you or he's completely incompetent. Either way, he doesn't deserve to be your doctor. 1.00

00:21:19.780 You look at the black community right now, they should be fighting for school choice because 1.00

00:21:22.880 these schools are so terrible. They should be fighting to put the black family back together 1.00

00:21:26.300 because family breakdown is the cause of all of this destruction in the country. 0.95

00:21:29.960 They should be fighting to secure that border, to keep the fentanyl and the drugs out and the

00:21:36.300 human trafficking. They should be fighting to arm black men because if you're being hunted, 0.94

00:21:40.660 if you're being oppressed, if you're being afraid, this is what they say you should do. 0.81

00:21:46.900 You should give up your gun. Now, why don't you just be expeditious and blow your own brains out? 0.99

00:21:51.980 It's ridiculous. The whole thing is absolutely positively insane. And worst of all, 1.00

00:21:58.240 they want white America to live in condemnation. This is what I'll tell your viewers right now.

00:22:03.400 The next time one of them come up to you and tell you that you are the cause of my suffering,

00:22:09.080 you're the cause of all my problems, you're the reason why we're at the bottom, you tell them you

00:22:12.840 are a slave looking for a master. And I refuse to be your master. If you want a master, go to the 0.86

00:22:18.400 Democratic Party because they are masters looking for slaves. I will help you become a free man as

00:22:24.300 I am a free man. I will help you exercise your freedom like I exercise mine. If you need a job,

00:22:29.860 I help you find one. If you need education, I help you get one. If you're a good preacher,

00:22:33.480 I help you find one. Short of that, if you come to try to take something from me or hurt me or mine,

00:22:39.500 I got two things that'll get you off of me, Jesus Christ and my 38. Come try me.

00:22:46.760 Tell me a little bit more about how you mentioned the prosperity gospel earlier. We've talked about

00:22:52.000 both the prosperity gospel and liberation theology, James Cone, the problem with all of that,

00:22:57.700 that has really seeped into the church at large. Tell me a little bit more about how you believe

00:23:04.500 that the prosperity gospel has dominated what is typically known as the black church. Although

00:23:10.660 you're right, there is just one church, but churches that are predominantly filled with

00:23:15.160 black Americans. Where do you think that plays a negative role here? Well, we all know that the

00:23:22.120 Christian religion teaches you that Jesus Christ will give you peace that transcends all understanding.

00:23:26.720 When you're after money, when you're after possessions, you're actually after peace. You're after security.

00:23:30.540 You're after trying to make yourself feel like nothing can happen to me. I can pay my bills.

00:23:37.040 I can feed myself. I can clothe myself. Jesus Christ said, I'll do all of that for you. He said,

00:23:43.620 he'll do it. So now you have these people in the prosperity gospel telling you, no, no, no, no,

00:23:47.840 man will do it. And because of that, we have an apostate religion. 0.97

00:23:52.800 And what do you say to those who identify as Christian Democrats, or there's a lot of

00:23:59.240 Christians, Christian influencers, Christian authors that they say that they're apolitical,

00:24:03.660 or maybe even they say they're theologically conservative. But when it comes to the issue

00:24:08.160 of what they would call social justice, racial justice, police brutality, they say, oh, I have

00:24:14.540 to vote Democrat for these issues. They would say, I'm, you know, I'm pro-life, but I have to vote

00:24:19.060 Democrat because they are the party that's helping us in those areas. What's your response to that?

00:24:23.520 The great C.S. Lewis said that people will use Christianity as a means to an end, even as a

00:24:30.860 means to an end to social justice.

00:24:33.500 Yeah, screw take letters.

00:24:35.480 That's right. He said that the enemy, which, you know, God, will not be used as a convenience.

00:24:40.720 He said he will not allow you to use him to get something of value on earth. He wants a relationship

00:24:47.160 with you, just like a father wants a relationship with his child or a mother. You don't want your child

00:24:52.260 coming to you because they want money or because they want a new car or because they want a house.

00:24:57.080 You want them to come to be with you because they love you and you love them. And as you talk and as

00:25:01.460 you see what they need, you will provide it because you love them and they love you. They have made this

00:25:07.140 thing artificial. They've told people to come to God for social justice, to come to God for money,

00:25:13.380 to come to God for a house. No, you come to him because you love him. You come to him because he's your

00:25:20.440 father. You come to him because you want to spend time with him. It's like when you, you know, Christmas time,

00:25:25.620 you get in your car and you drive 10 hours just to sit down with your mom and your daddy just because you love

00:25:30.520 him. I don't want nothing from you. I just want to see you. I just want to spend time with you.

00:25:35.420 That's the relationship that he wants with his children. And then because of that relationship, everything you need,

00:25:41.200 he'll get to you. He'll give to you. See, they miss out on that.

00:25:44.480 They don't want to have their relationship. They just want the stuff. They want you to believe that

00:25:49.560 God will give you the stuff. And it's a cynical way. It's like a pimp and a prostitute. And God 0.86

00:25:58.880 won't be used as a convenience. And all these people now, they're just prostitutes. They're lying to the 1.00

00:26:03.820 people. Jesus Christ came. He really, really scolded the Pharisees and the Sadducees because they had led

00:26:09.900 the people wrong. And what did they do? They went to the government to have him killed. These

00:26:14.660 preachers go to the government for everything they want. It is a lie. Jesus will provide everything.

00:26:20.240 And no matter how many, how often good Christians tell you that, my daddy will tell you that,

00:26:24.720 my brothers and sisters will tell you that. I'm sure you'll sell the same thing to people.

00:26:28.680 They don't want to believe it because they have the preacher who has so much authority in the black 0.99

00:26:33.200 community tell them something absolutely positively different. And this is why he has such a visual effect

00:26:38.940 on me. And this is why I wrote in my book that the black pastor is the crookedest occupation in 1.00

00:26:46.400 America right now. My father told me, he was a gospel music DJ for 28 years in Brownsville, Tennessee, 0.57

00:26:53.160 when I decided to run for Congress in 2000 against Jim Clyburn. He said, Vince, let me tell you

00:26:57.940 something. I've taught you to revere the church and to revere God. But when you go to these black 1.00

00:27:02.480 preachers, remember this one thing. He said, trust a bootlegger before you trust a black preacher. 1.00

00:27:06.540 He said, leave me. They're the worst people walking the face of this earth. And I'm going 1.00

00:27:11.220 to tell you, I have found it out to be true. They know they weren't sent by God. They know

00:27:16.620 it. Just read something in the Washington Post about this black preacher up in the south of

00:27:21.560 New York. These guys came in and robbed him while he was preaching. A million dollars worth 0.53

00:27:25.900 of a jury off him and his wife. A million dollars worth of jury. He rides around in New York

00:27:31.960 City and his Rolls Royce. You know, black people, the poorest people in the industrialized 1.00

00:27:35.920 world. And something else I want to tell you about, if you read the Moynihan report,

00:27:43.320 Moynihan told Lyndon Johnson in 1965 that the black family is going to be destroyed because

00:27:47.000 of the welfare society has set up. He saw a trend happening and he said, we must use the

00:27:52.720 fellow government's money to put the black man back in charge of his family. Johnson asked

00:27:56.760 him to take this to the civil rights community. Moynihan took this to Martin Luther King Jr.

00:28:01.700 He and McGeorge Bundy met with the civil rights community and McGeorge Bundy wrote. And this

00:28:06.560 was written in the book, Bearing the Cross by Derrick Garrow. It won a Pulitzer Prize. He

00:28:11.840 said, it's a wonder Moynihan got out of that room alive. McGeorge Bundy was head of the Ford

00:28:17.680 Foundation. He said they cursed him out. They called him a racist, called him everything.

00:28:21.900 They said that marriage was like slavery. And they wanted to use that money to get the 1.00

00:28:27.700 black woman out of marriage, not to put her into it. So they went to Lyndon Johnson and

00:28:33.240 they demanded that instead of the man be in the house for welfare, that he be out of the

00:28:38.240 house. So the man in house clause was put in welfare. And Martin Luther King's hands

00:28:43.200 were all, his fingerprints were on it. And in one generation, we went from 80% of black 0.70

00:28:48.560 children being born in two parent families to 80% of being born out of wedlock. And

00:28:52.960 it was called the black pastor because of the civil rights movement, the feminists in the

00:28:56.620 civil rights movement, and they hadn't changed it since. Because in 1954, the communists in 0.52

00:29:05.240 Moscow who had infiltrated the civil rights movement gave their people absolute instruction. 0.62

00:29:11.320 This was written in Taylor Branch's book, America in the King Years, Parting Waters. He said

00:29:16.800 they gave them instructions to turn the black community into a replica of the communist 0.51

00:29:21.140 bloc. Look at us now. Dictator worship, one-party rule, poverty, substance abuse. We look just

00:29:32.180 like the Soviet Union before it collapsed. They've accomplished everything they wanted. And right

00:29:36.460 now, the black caucus, because you remember when they all went to see Castro, right, over

00:29:39.360 in Cuba, Jim Clyburn and his crew? They did it twice. They've always had this thing for

00:29:44.280 communists. And they built this Marxist utopia in the black community and set it aside from 0.92

00:29:50.100 the rest of America. It is time for us to wake up and understand these people are our enemy. 0.89

00:29:54.620 We no longer have policy disagreements with the Democratic Party. It is an evil institution.

00:30:00.240 All they do is meditate on blood. And when we decide that they're evil, we know it's time

00:30:05.360 to kick them down. 0.93

00:30:17.240 I was thinking the other day as I was reading, I think in the book of Titus, about how God is a God

00:30:22.880 of order. He orders the church. He ordered the world through creation. And one thing that you never

00:30:27.920 see is him being an agent of chaos and lawlessness. Actually, we find throughout scripture that he hates

00:30:33.080 chaos. He hates lawlessness. He hates disorder. And when I think about this movement of progressivism,

00:30:38.740 leftism, whatever you want to call it, whatever has infected the Democrat Party, that is what it is

00:30:46.200 perpetuating. That is what it is pushing. Disorder, whether it comes to gender, whether it comes to

00:30:51.720 sex and marriage and relationships, the order of authority of the church and the state and the family,

00:30:57.760 everything is subverted. Everything is inverted in a way and everything is disordered. And that is why we are

00:31:04.380 seeing the kind of moral chaos that we're seeing, the kind of lawless anarchy that we're seeing. And I think

00:31:10.300 you're right. This does play right into the hands of our foreign enemies who really want to see America 0.85

00:31:17.160 and the West destroyed.

00:31:18.220 Of course, of course. Abraham Lincoln said that they'll never be able to invade America.

00:31:24.340 That America will either be a country of free men or we'll destroy each other by suicide. 0.66

00:31:29.620 And we are doing that. Listen, you're right. Wherever chaos rules, the devil reigns. He is the master

00:31:39.840 of disorder. Go into any black ghetto and look at the disorder. Litter, drugs, fighting, you know, 1.00

00:31:51.240 and they look at it as a utopia. They never try to change a thing. They want to defund the police.

00:31:57.460 With all of this crime down in the black community, defund the police, make it worse. They see these 1.00

00:32:02.180 schools not educating these children. They know it. They have the same data you and I have. But what is

00:32:06.580 their plan? Let's give them more money. Not make them more accountable, not change a thing. They 0.95

00:32:11.380 fight against charters. They fight against school choice. The NAACP put on a white paper saying they

00:32:16.640 want all charter schools outlawed in America. They fight against school vouchers. They have tried to

00:32:22.780 infiltrate the Christian schools and universities. They went to the Supreme Court last year saying that

00:32:29.020 they want to make sure that gay and lesbian teachers can teach at Catholic schools and Christian schools.

00:32:34.560 These people see what's going on. They've looked at the statistics and they have seen that for the

00:32:41.940 last seven years, the population of the United States of America has been dwindling. We are now

00:32:47.300 at a negative rate of population growth for the first time in our nation's history because of abortion,

00:32:53.640 because of the destruction of family. They have taken the childbearing ages of like maybe between 18 and

00:33:00.220 35, right? And now 20 percent of those children see themselves as LGBTQ, when in my generation only

00:33:06.800 about one or two percent saw it. So you've taken 20 percent of the childbearing age and you put them

00:33:12.260 in a position where they can't have children. And now America is dying. They see these statistics

00:33:17.820 and they get mad when we say we don't want to abort the children. These people are marching to murder

00:33:23.540 children who have not even been born yet. Yeah. This is a sickness. Now, when Abraham Lincoln 0.68

00:33:29.920 called slavery evil, we destroyed it. When Churchill and Roosevelt called Nazism evil,

00:33:36.880 we destroyed it. When Ronald Reagan called the Soviet Union evil, we destroyed them. 0.95

00:33:43.060 We right now no longer have policy disagreements with the Democrat Party. They have told us who they

00:33:48.100 are. For a long time, they lied about wanting to abort children up to the ninth month. They admit to it now.

00:33:52.480 For a long time, they lied about gay marriage. They admit to it now. For a long time, they lied about 0.89

00:33:58.120 trying to groom children into an LGBTQ lifestyle. They admit to it now. For a long time, they lied 1.00

00:34:03.280 about trying to take over Christian universities and churches and synagogues. They admit to it now. 0.85

00:34:10.020 We know who they are. We know who the enemy is. We need to stop acting like they are just another party

00:34:16.680 that is part of the American political system. We have to call them an evil institution

00:34:21.200 that needs to be either completely destroyed or completely changed. One or the other.

00:34:26.840 This will be the fourth time that we've had to destroy the Democrat Party to save America.

00:34:33.600 We had to do it in the Civil War. We had to do it during Jim Crow. We had to do it during 0.85

00:34:38.920 all of these, during the times when they had the Ku Klux Klan and the Red Shirts during the time of

00:34:48.360 Reconstruction. And now we got to take them on again because now they're killing, they're trying

00:34:54.260 to kill more children that are being born. They're trying to destroy the family, and they're trying 0.96

00:34:58.320 to destroy God, and they're trying to destroy the borders. They're trying to destroy the economy. 0.93

00:35:02.480 They're trying to take away our right to keep them in arms, which means they will destroy the United States of America.

00:35:06.040 They look at the stats. They know what they're doing. This is all a plan. And unless we wake up

00:35:11.360 and understand it, they are going to accomplish their plan, and then they're going to try to come 0.99

00:35:15.400 and kill us all. And this is not overstating it. These are evil people. They are evil. 0.98

00:35:21.580 Well, I mean, I think that you could look at historical precedent and say that the movement

00:35:26.560 of communism has always been a murderous one. If you look at Mao's cultural revolution, which I think

00:35:31.400 that we share a lot of similarities to that. Like when you're looking at struggle sessions, people who

00:35:35.820 dissented, being shamed and tortured publicly until they acquiesced and apologized and agreed

00:35:41.140 with the regime. We see that in a variety of forms in the public square today. And I do think that

00:35:47.440 they kind of glorify the Chinese revolution that happened in the 20th century, which, of course,

00:35:52.640 that and the great leap forward led to the deaths of tens of millions of people. I do see that certainly

00:35:58.700 through a lot of this climate activism, the suggestions that we're going to do away with meat,

00:36:04.020 that they're going to confiscate people's farmlands, which is happening in the Netherlands

00:36:07.620 right now. I mean, we saw them take away people's economic livelihoods during COVID. So I actually

00:36:14.200 don't think that it is a leap, what you're saying, that at least you could say that these progressive

00:36:19.400 policies that they're going to put in place, whether it's for the sake of equity, they say,

00:36:24.340 which is what allowing criminals back into the streets is done under the guise of that, or whether

00:36:31.060 it's climate change policy, or whether it's their economic policy. I mean, you are looking at

00:36:35.820 devastation and death in a lot of different ways, unfortunately.

00:36:40.360 Yes. And they know that they're gonna have to cause pain. This is why the gas prices and the

00:36:45.420 recession doesn't matter to them. They will tell you, you cannot have a revolution in the featherbed.

00:36:51.420 It's going to cause pain. And their job is to cause that pain. Castro did it in Cuba. Lenin did it in

00:36:59.500 Russia. Mao did it in Kamishana. As you know, they're doing it in Venezuela. They don't mind causing

00:37:05.180 the pain. They want to cause the pain. When you read Trotsky, and when you read Stalin, they talk about 0.75

00:37:10.660 terror. They talk about doing revolution through terror. Che Guevara, Castro, all of them read these

00:37:17.780 books. And they will go into countries and start a revolution. As a matter of fact, that's one of

00:37:21.100 the problems of Cuba. Every time they get there, they're trying to foment revolution somewhere down

00:37:24.940 in South America. And then they want to bring it up to America. It is a worldwide conspiracy.

00:37:30.740 They are dead enders. They've never stopped. They have their crew here in America that they are

00:37:35.420 using to get it done. They have infiltrated our government. They've always been there. And the

00:37:42.040 media covers for them. They will not tell you the truth about it. They tried to cover for the

00:37:47.340 Rosenbergs for years until Glassnose came out and told us, yes, they were spies. They tried to

00:37:52.520 cover and make Fidel Castro look like he's some type of swashbuckling hero and Che Guevara t-shirts

00:37:57.920 here in America. You know, you had the Black Panthers selling the Red Book down at Berkeley 0.84

00:38:05.660 in South California. And it ended up being nothing but a bunch of dope Dylan hustlers and selling

00:38:12.620 poison on the streets to black people in Oakland. You know, every time you look at one of these black 1.00

00:38:16.600 organizations, whether it be the black gorilla family, whether it be the Crips and the Bloods, 0.68

00:38:20.280 whether it be the Black Panthers, whether it be any of them, you'll find out there was a Marxist

00:38:24.440 communist connection to them. And they took their money and they came to America and they tried to

00:38:30.760 burn it down. Look at Black Lives Matter. They will tell you they're Marxists. They don't lie about it. 1.00

00:38:35.840 And they have set this country on fire. And then black churches and black liberation theology is a Marxist 0.99

00:38:44.220 concept. And you and I both know that if Marxism is carried out to its end, what does it do? It destroys the

00:38:50.180 church. Yeah. It destroys Christianity. And these idiots are supporting it. Yeah. Seeing black preachers with a 1.00

00:38:56.120 Black Lives Matter t-shirt on. He's an idiot. Don't you know that Black Lives Matter get their way? They're going to cut 1.00

00:39:00.900 your head off with a guillotine. Yep. They don't know it. That's Marxism. And what we have to do is 1.00

00:39:06.920 stop pretending that it's not. Stop pretending that the Black Caucus has any legitimacy in America at 1.00

00:39:13.360 all. That black politicians or black preachers or black civic organizations that side with the 0.97

00:39:18.760 Democratic Party have to be called out for what they are. They are anti-American. They are revolutionary. 0.99

00:39:24.560 And they seek to destroy this nation and kill millions in the process. And we have to look at

00:39:30.980 them as enemies of the state. I read something in Taylor Branch's book that blew my mind. He said that

00:39:38.840 John F. Kennedy called Martin Luther King Jr. to the White House, told him that he had communists in his

00:39:43.500 group. He said, you got Stanley Levinson, number one communist in America, Brad Rustin. He's a communist.

00:39:48.620 And the guy that's running your organization, the executive director, Jack O'Dell, he's a communist.

00:39:52.960 They need to go. Because if you fall, my administration falls. King said he would do it.

00:39:58.740 Jack O'Dell didn't believe him and followed him. They had this meeting in Dorchester. Jack O'Dell

00:40:02.740 hadn't had cameras there. And he said that King had so many communists and spies there that the meeting

00:40:07.600 should have been held at Times Square. I mean, not Times Square, Red Square. He said that they took this

00:40:12.020 back to Bobby Kennedy. And this is when that necessitated all the wiretaps that followed him around and found

00:40:17.000 him in all his orgies and whatnot. Well, here's the most amazing thing about it. After so many of these

00:40:22.680 communists were found, and King was warned so many times about these guys, the FBI got together

00:40:28.280 and they said that we are no longer going to warn him anymore. And they, and this is what Taylor

00:40:33.880 Bryant said, they deemed King an enemy of the state, an enemy of the United States of America,

00:40:39.300 and said, which meant that if somebody came and sought to kill him, they would not warn him.

00:40:45.140 Something that they would give to the mafia dons that they refused to give to Martin Luther King Jr. 0.51

00:40:49.460 And that's how James Earl Ray got joined. He was so connected to the communists in Moscow.

00:40:56.120 Whether King was a communist or not, I cannot say. I'm telling you what I've read. I was four

00:41:00.680 years old when Martin Luther King died. Never met him. Don't know him. But when I read the books of

00:41:05.020 Garrow, when I read the books of Taylor Branch, when I hear what a lot of the other politicians during

00:41:11.880 that time from Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy said about him, and then I look at the condition of

00:41:15.540 black people, I have to ask the question. That's really interesting. Do you think that Republicans

00:41:21.660 and conservatives in general are doing enough to expose what you're talking about, but also counter

00:41:28.360 the movement of progressivism and the Democrat Party?

00:41:32.740 No. In 1992, Lee Atwater made a deal with the Black Caucus. And he looked at the map and said that we

00:41:45.960 need to get more Republicans in. So he made a deal with the Black Caucus and said, if you guys vote on

00:41:49.780 our redistricting map, we guarantee you that we will give you, we will double your black districts

00:41:57.780 in the Congress and in the state, and in the state houses in the South. He also said, and we also

00:42:03.360 promise you that we will not run. We will not fund any Republican that runs against you in the future.

00:42:09.260 This was 1992. The Democrats signed off on, on, on, on, on their, their, their redistricting plan.

00:42:15.900 In 1994, Newt Gingrich and the Republicans still go to the House of Representatives.

00:42:19.920 Since that time, I think the Democrats only had eight years and we've had it the rest of the time.

00:42:24.580 Now, what did that do? This is politics, right? They, they, they have written off the black vote. 0.80

00:42:29.340 I don't care if the person is black or white, if they're running against a black, if they're running, 0.87

00:42:35.520 if they are running in a Democrat control, uh, majority black district, they get no help.

00:42:43.100 So for the last 30 years, uh, black people have not heard anything about the Republican party,

00:42:48.920 except for what the Democrats want to tell them about the Republican party. And if you read Abraham Lincoln's,

00:42:54.580 Cooper union address, he said the same thing. They, he, he accused the Democrats of lying when they

00:43:00.180 said that, uh, the Republicans trying to foment some type of slave rebellion. He said that, um,

00:43:05.820 we, the only thing that your slaves know about the Republican party is what you say about us in our

00:43:10.240 absence. He said, we couldn't get a slave rebellion started in the South because they love

00:43:13.520 their masters too much. And this is the same thing going on now. And one of the reasons black 1.00

00:43:18.180 people vote for the democratic party in such large numbers, the Stockholm syndrome, uh,

00:43:22.220 the Democrats have been in control of the black community, um, for the last 220 years,

00:43:27.580 they had them enslaved. They beat them during Jim Crow. They, they, they, they, they, they, 0.83

00:43:32.840 they hung them from trees. They castrated them. They raped their women. And they let it be known 0.85

00:43:37.560 if you voted Democrat or if you voted Republican, I'm sorry, we will kill you dead. So in 1960, 1.00

00:43:42.420 when black people finally got the right to vote, many thought they were going to vote for the

00:43:45.900 Republican party. No, they did not. They voted straight Democrat because of cognitive dissonance

00:43:50.780 and Stockholm syndrome. And this is not a condemnation. This is an explanation.

00:43:55.580 Nobody on the conservative side or the Republican side has ever gone to the black community

00:43:59.240 and really spent a whole lot of time, a lot of money explaining to them exactly what the

00:44:04.040 Republican party stands for. Right now you have people in the black community that are mostly

00:44:09.060 apathetic and miseducated. But then you've got three other parts of this Democrat coalition 0.90

00:44:16.740 that exists. And these are the evil. These are the insane. And these are the, the, the crazy

00:44:26.300 people, man. They just, it's nothing you can do for them. You know, the stupid people, the insane 0.77

00:44:30.160 people and, and, and, and the evil people, uh, have to just be defeated. So we can deal with 1.00

00:44:37.080 the apathetic and we can deal with the miseducated. You can get them started. But when you deal with

00:44:42.920 the insane, when, when you deal with the crazy people, when you deal with the, the evil people,

00:44:49.260 that's a whole nother matter. You have to prepare yourself with guns, with, with, with, with, with,

00:44:55.720 with institutions and with the word of God to protect yourself against them.

00:45:01.180 Well, thank you so much for your insight. I appreciate your clarity and your knowledge on

00:45:05.180 this subject so much. Can you tell people where they can buy your book, 25 lies and where they

00:45:10.200 can follow you?

00:45:12.020 Well, you just go on amazon.com, go online. It's at many of the bookstores also, but you can go to

00:45:17.120 amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com and you can get 25 lies. Please read this book. It's easy to read.

00:45:23.720 Each chapter is no more than 10 pages, somewhere like maybe three to four, but it can be used as a

00:45:29.160 handbook. Um, uh, these 25 lies. One is, uh, you will be, you will be held accountable for,

00:45:34.820 for your vote. God is gonna hold you accountable. Another is about, you know, the, the lie that guns

00:45:39.220 are bad. Another lies that school choice is bad. Another lies that the civil rights movement helped 0.60

00:45:44.540 blacks. Another lie is that Brown versus board of education helped blacks. Another lies that Democrats, 0.55

00:45:50.100 uh, don't want segregation. It explains so much about how Democrats lie, how they get away with it,

00:45:57.100 how they post black and white Christians against one another, because they know if black and white 0.83

00:46:01.560 Christians who believe on 99% of everything, if we ever get together, if we ever start talking,

00:46:07.580 they're done. Yeah. I think that's a really good point. Well, thank you so much for taking the time

00:46:12.720 to talk to us today. I really hope people go out and buy your book. We'll link it in the description

00:46:16.500 of this episode. Thank you so much. Thank you so very much. You are an absolute pro and I enjoy

00:46:22.120 watching you. Thank you very much.

00:46:27.100 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 26, 2022

Ep 649 ｜ How Bad Theology & Corrupt Politics Devastated Black America ｜ Guest： Vince Ellison

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