Ep 649 ｜ How Bad Theology & Corrupt Politics Devastated Black America ｜ Guest： Vince Ellison
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Summary
Vince is a conservative who is pushing back against the lies of the Democratic Party. He argues that Democrat policies and the ideology that is being pushed by the Democrat Party has actually destroyed the Black community in America and how it has infiltrated Black theology. In this episode, we are going to talk about the details of the problems that he sees Black America facing and he is going to give us some strong recommendations for how we should be thinking about this.
Transcript
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Today we are talking to Vince Ellison. He is
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a conservative who is pushing back against the lies of the Democrat Party as they have been
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fed perpetually over the past several decades, specifically to Black Americans. He argues that
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Democrat policies and the ideology that is being pushed by the Democrat Party has actually destroyed
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the Black community in America and how it has infiltrated Black theology and what is typically
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referred to as the Black church has only been detrimental to Black Americans. So we are going
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to talk about the details of the problems that he sees Black America facing. He is going to
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give us some very strong recommendations for how we should be thinking about this, what we should be
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doing about this politically. I know you're going to enjoy this. He is very bold. He is
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extremely insightful. He's very knowledgeable about this subject. I know that you're going to love
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his passion. Before we get started, this episode, as always, is brought to you by our friends at
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Before we get into that conversation, a couple things that I want to say. First, I don't know
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the last time that you guys have read. This has nothing to do with what I'm about to talk about
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with our guests, but I've been wanting to share this with you guys. So I don't know the last time
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that you have read The Chronicles of Narnia or Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe. So I'm reading that
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right now with my toddler. It's not like a picture book. It's not like a young kid's version.
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We're just reading it. And I don't know how much she's retaining, but she is
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paying attention. And I hope that some of it is soaking in. Last night, I was reading about the
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part. And I'm sorry if it's spoilers. If you haven't read it, this is going to be a little
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bit of a spoiler. I highly recommend that you read it. And read it again if you haven't read it. And
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read it with your kids, no matter how old they are, because it's such a beautiful picture of the
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gospel. So I was reading the part where Aslan was voluntarily walking to be sacrificed. And I'm
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reading as the minions of the White Witch are taking him down and torturing him and kicking him.
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And he is just laying there peacefully. And Lucy and Susan, they're crying. They're wondering what's
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happening. And of course, he is executed by the White Witch. And I was thinking this whole time,
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he's doing this for Edmund. He's doing this for this traitor, the kid in the story who the whole
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time you don't like, not just because he betrayed his own family. He did the worst thing that you can
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possibly think of, but also because he was just kind of like the snotty brat in the character that
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no one likes. And you kind of find yourself thinking throughout the book, I'm so glad that I'm not like
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that. I'm so glad that that's not my personality. I would never do something like that. I would never
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say something like that. And why can't he just be good? Like Peter and Susan and Lucy, why can't
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he just see what is true? Why did he allow himself to be deceptive? Why is he so spiteful?
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And then you're watching Aslan sacrifice himself for Edmund. And then you realize,
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as I was realizing, I'm sure I've realized this before, because I've read this book several times,
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but I could barely hold it together. Reading this part out loud, I realized that we are Edmund.
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We are Edmund. We are the seemingly unlovable, the very undeserving people that Christ voluntarily
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and peacefully and submissively sacrificed himself for. Throughout the book, you hate Edmund. You don't
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like Edmund. You just want him to change. In the end, you realize that we are Edmund and that Christ
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died for us. And man, you don't think that you can get that much out of a children's book. You don't
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think that it's going to bring the kind of emotions that it does. But that's what the gospel does.
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That's what the gospel does. Have you ever been singing a song on Sunday morning and you don't
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even know, you don't even see it coming. You just get that lump in your throat and you get the tears
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in your eyes as you just realize the beautiful simplicity and the wonder and the miraculousness
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of the gospel. That's how I felt last night when I literally could not hold it together
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reading this, what is supposed to be a children's book to my child. I just love, I love how the Holy
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Spirit hits you with the truth of the gospel that you've heard a million times at the times that you
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really least expect it and renew your gratitude. Renew your gratitude for what Christ has done for you
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and renews your humility about where you actually stand before God without Christ.
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So I just wanted to make sure that I told you that as a form of encouragement, also just
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as a reminder to you about how beautiful the gospel is, and also as an encouragement to read
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Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe if you haven't already. I wanted to mention that because since
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this is not necessarily a theological episode and we don't have time to bring everything talked
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about back into scripture as I like to do, I wanted to start off on that transcendent note
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before we get into kind of the muck and the mire of politics and the problems that are unfortunately,
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according to our guest, really troubling this community, the community of Black Americans that
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he of course is a part of. And before we get into the actual conversation, I did want to kick us off
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and set up some context for one troubling statistic that I saw recently that I really think speaks to
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a lot of the issues that he is talking about facing Black Americans. And I was just stunned by this
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when I saw it on Twitter. So this is a tweet by Ryan James Skrdusky. And he is quote tweeting
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new statistics that were published by San Francisco public schools that were comparing white, Asian,
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African-American, and of course it says Latinx or Latinx, Latino, Hispanic students when it comes to
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enrollment, when it comes to absence, when it comes to suspensions, when it comes to ready for
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kindergarten, math performance, reading proficiency. And really the comparisons are really,
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really troubling. So according to this, 63% of Black kids are chronically absent. That's worse than
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any other demographic here versus only 8% of Asian kids. 15% of Black kids are ready for high school
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versus 71% of Asian kids. 28%, only 28% are reading proficient versus 70% of Asian kids and 85% of white
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kids. So some of the biggest gaps that we see aren't actually between white students and Black
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students, which is the only disparity that we're ever told that we have to, that we're supposed to
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focus on, but actually between Asian students and Black students. I do not think that it is a coincidence
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the fatherlessness rate is also the lowest among Asian Americans, lower than among white Americans,
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lower than among Hispanic Americans. Of course, the fatherlessness rate is highest among Black Americans.
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We're told that this is all because of systemic racism. This is all because of discrimination,
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even in San Francisco, one of the most progressive and Democrat-dominated areas in the country. We're
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told this is because of structural oppression that Black Americans are facing. But the question is,
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is that really true? Is that the cause of the disparities and the struggles and the true oppression
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that Black Americans have experienced and are experiencing today? My guest today would say
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no. He would say that it's something else that is causing these problems.
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Mr. Ellison, thanks so much for joining us. First, to start off, can you tell us who you are and what you do?
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Yes, my name is Vince Everett Ellison. I'm a writer. I'm a lecturer. I was born on a cotton
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plantation in Haywood County, Tennessee, and my father was a sharecropper. He pulled us out of
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poverty, about hard work, believing in God. And we started a gospel singing group when I was a boy
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called the Ellison family. We went around singing gospel music all over the South and all over the
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eastern part of the United States of America, praising God and most Black churches around the
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area. That's where I got my knowledge of the Black church. After that, I went into college with the
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Memphis State University and started working in the prison system after that. And working in the
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prison system is when I saw that we had not overcome. I saw that we had actually gone backwards
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as Black people, and I wanted to find out why. So I quit my job after five years. I went into the
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Black community to find out what was going on. And of course, the Black intelligentsia told me that
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it was the evil, rich, white, conservative Republicans that were keeping Black people down.
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So when I went into the ghettos to find out what was going on there, something interesting happened.
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I saw no evil, rich, white Republicans anywhere. You see a leprechaun before you saw one.
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As a matter of fact, I saw these three entities making a lot of money off of the chaos.
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The Black preacher, the Black politician, the Black civic organizer. I called them the
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Iron Triangle, and I wrote my first book, Exposing Them to the Country. And in my second book, I wrote
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25 Lies of the Democrat Party. Lies to America, the 25 most seductive, damnable lies. And I showed
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how the Black preacher, the Black politician, the Black civic organizer was just conduit between the
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rich, white liberals and the Democrat Party, the Black community. Their job was to get the Black
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vote. That was it for the Democratic Party. Hooker by crook. It doesn't matter. So that's what they've
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been doing. That's what I've been exposing. That's what I've been talking about. And 25 Lies says
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explicitly that the Democratic Party is the evilest institution in the history of the world.
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Tell us a little bit more, before we get into more detail about your description of the Democrat Party,
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tell us a little bit more about your observation that Black Americans had gone backwards. Is that
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an opinion you still hold today? And what do you mean by that?
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Yeah, if you look closely at the Black community now, every institution that we had before the
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civil rights movement, family, economy, religion, church, education, have been destroyed. The Black
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school, the Black education system destroyed, the Black family destroyed, the Black economy destroyed,
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the Black churches become an apostate church controlled by a bunch of, they call it Black
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liberation theology preachers who only talk about prosperity gospel. But Jesus said that a tree will
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be known by the fruit it bear. He said, how will you know the false prophets? He said, you'll know them
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by their fruit. Not by their works, not by what they say, but by what they produce. And if you look at
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the Black community in every metric, except one, and that is electing Black liberal politicians,
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Black people have gone backwards. And Democrats are proud of it. They're not trying to do anything
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to change it. They fight against school choice. This last, when they got in, the first thing they
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did was took the work requirement out of welfare. So you don't have to work now in order to get any
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type of benefits from the government, which has made the people slaves to the Democrat plantation
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again. They destroy the Black family. They're not trying to, they fought the welfare reform that
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tried to build a Black family. They fight against any type, any type of religious liberty. Matter of
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fact, they tried to pass a law to require churches to put LGBTQ bathrooms in them, to make them do LGBTQ
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weddings. So the Democratic Party, from 1800 to 1860, it was the party of slavery. From 1860 to 1865,
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it was the party of the Confederacy. From 1865 to 1965, it was the party of Jim Crow. And now it's
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the party of abortion, atheism, lawlessness, extraconstitutionalism, and basically murder.
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Florida. I have surmised and I've counted up that since their inception in 1800, they've killed over
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100 million Americans, 60 million of them Black. And they're proud of it. They haven't changed a
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thing. They are still an evil institution, same as they were in 1800. The Nazis came over here in 1920
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to consult with the Democrat Party about the Nuremberg laws, because the Democrats had done to Black people
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exactly what the Nazis wanted to do to the Jews. And they wanted to find out how to do it properly.
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So they are an evil institution. And they haven't changed a bit. And you know that by looking at what
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they've created in the Black community. And they want to spread it all over this nation.
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Yes. Well, certainly there is a connection between Margaret Sanger and the eugenicist movement of the
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early 20th century. She was the founder of Planned Parenthood. And of course, she had what she called,
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as you know, the Negro Project. She said she didn't want the word to get out, that she wanted to
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exterminate the Negro population. And man, that is still going on to this day. There is a wildly
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disproportionate rate of abortion among Black women. And that is being perpetuated by Planned
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Parenthood, which is funded by the Democrat Party. So certainly, I do think that there is that common
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Oh, no doubt. It started in the civil rights movement. I was wondering why Kaepernick and
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all the athletes started kneeling, you know, in 2018. I was confused about it because,
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I mean, here they are. These guys are rich. They're all good-looking men. White people love
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them. Black people love them. And I was wondering why they were kneeling. And, you know, the great
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writer, Thomas Wolfe, said, you see a thing a thousand times before you see it once.
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So I went to the Rayne Motel in Memphis during that time. It's where Dr. King was assassinated,
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but they made it a civil rights museum. And in that civil rights museum, they were looping his
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speech, I Have a Dream. And of course, I've heard that dream a thousand times, just like you. And
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it's a very, very good speech. And King rocks his speech. But I heard something this time in this
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speech that I had not paid attention to. And I said, this is the poison pill. Dr. King said 100 years
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after the Emancipation Proclamation, the Negro is still not free. That is a lie. I was born free.
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My freedom was given to me by God. He said that we come here to government to cast a promissory note
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that guarantees us our unalienable rights. That is a lie. My unalienable rights come from God,
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not government. John Lott says that they are irreversible, non-transferable, and unsellable.
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He then doubled down on it when he told us to apologize and be ashamed of the color of my skin.
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When he said that I have a dream that one day, my four little children will not be judged by the
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color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Now, I don't have a problem with being
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judged by the content of my character. But what's wrong with the color of my skin?
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There's nothing wrong with the color of my skin. You don't want to be judged by something that
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you're ashamed of. So I remember one time I picked up a doctor. His car had broken down on the side
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of the road. I picked him up. He's a friend of mine. And the night before I had a road trip with my
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children, car was just junk. I mean, I have a Cadillac Escalade, beautiful car, but my children
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had just destroyed it and I hadn't cleaned it up yet. I said, doc, please don't judge me by how my car
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looks today. I'm sorry it looks this way. I'm apologizing because I'm ashamed of it.
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He told us to apologize and be ashamed of the color of our skin. It started a retro reaction
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in black America. And we started going backward. And then he said at the end of this speech,
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on some great day after all this stuff has happened, we'll be free at last, free at last.
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We were already free. But he told us that we were not. And it caused us to believe that we had to go
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to white America and to government to ask for our freedom. And this is the poison pill that's been
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swallowed by black America. And it put a white America into a state of condemnation
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and paternalism, where it made white America believe that they were somehow responsible
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for my freedom. Kaepernick said he's oppressed. Al Sharpton says he's hunted. LeBron James says he's
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afraid. Well, I stand here as a black man. I'm not oppressed. I am not being hunted. And I
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show ain't scared of nobody. So they stick in my nostril. And I have nothing for them except
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contempt. And we're taking them on. And this book exposes them.
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I'm curious to hear a little bit more about the role that you believe that the black church
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plays here. You mentioned that you grew up in the black church. You're very familiar with that.
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And the black church is very, as you know, political, that they will often not just say,
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hey, we need to vote, but actually explicitly say we need to vote Democrat. We need to vote for this
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particular candidate. They will bring candidates in to their churches, endorse them. And of course,
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white evangelical churches are criticized for being too patriotic, for having too many American
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flags, or for talking about Trump. But the black church is traditionally extremely political.
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If everything that you're saying is true, how Democrats really have been a tool of oppression
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for black Americans, why do you think so much of the black church seems to be on board with it and
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really encouraging the really hegemony that Democrats have over these communities?
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The black church, and of course, you and I both know there's no such thing as the black church.
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There's one church, the Church of Jesus Christ. The black church itself was set up by the slave
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masters of the South to keep black people under control. And the black preacher was his tool.
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He was taught by him. Martin Luther King was part of that. Matter of fact, after the Montgomery bus
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boycott, Stanley Levinson, the number one communist in America, met with Martin Luther King Jr., and
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they all started funding the civil rights movement, and they gave Dr. King an order, and they told him
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to start to take over the National Baptist Convention. It was a 10 million strong black membership.
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King and his crew tried to take it over, and they failed. Matter of fact, they got to fighting on the
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floor at the National Baptist Convention in 1961, and they killed the preacher trying to take over
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the convention. King was excommunicated from the black church for doing that. Listen to me now.
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Martin Luther King Jr. was excommunicated from the black church for doing this. So King and a group
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of his compatriots started another branch of the church, and they called that part the Progressive
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National Baptist Convention. Look it up. That's the part of the black church that Raphael Warnock
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is a part of, the Progressive National Baptist Convention. It's all politics. It's an apostate
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religion. They started this black liberation theology that said that Jesus didn't like white people
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because he would have identified with black people because he was oppressed and he was despised.
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This church tells us that we are a despised race, that we are discriminated against, that we are hated.
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And it has spread through most of the black church. So these black preachers right now,
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any black preacher, and I'm going to say this to you definitively, any black preacher that supports
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the Democrat Party is an apostate. He is a false prophet. He is a liar, and he is a hypocrite.
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He supports abortion. He supports same-sex marriage. He supports kicking God out of the
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public square and out of public education. He supports the destruction of family. That means
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he is an apostate. And the condition of black America verifies what I'm saying. Look at the
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condition of the people. If we, if they were right, we would be on the top of everything in America.
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The Jewish people are doing well. The people from India are doing well. The people of Asian
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Asian, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, it's doing well. Nigerians come over here
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and one generation, they are the most prosperous immigrant group in America. And they are dark
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skin black. It has nothing to do with skin color. It has nothing to do with being a minority. It has
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everything to do with being taught everything that is against the face and against the capitalistic
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concepts of America. It's like you're going to a doctor. You say, doctor, I got high blood
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pressure. What do you want to do for me? He said, eat swine, don't exercise, eat a lot of salt
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and lay on the couch all day and you'll be fine. You get worse. You come back a year later,
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you're worse off. He says, continue doing what I'm telling you to do. Either he is a liar and he's
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trying to kill you or he's completely incompetent. Either way, he doesn't deserve to be your doctor.
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You look at the black community right now, they should be fighting for school choice because
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these schools are so terrible. They should be fighting to put the black family back together
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because family breakdown is the cause of all of this destruction in the country.
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They should be fighting to secure that border, to keep the fentanyl and the drugs out and the
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human trafficking. They should be fighting to arm black men because if you're being hunted,
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if you're being oppressed, if you're being afraid, this is what they say you should do.
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You should give up your gun. Now, why don't you just be expeditious and blow your own brains out?
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It's ridiculous. The whole thing is absolutely positively insane. And worst of all,
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they want white America to live in condemnation. This is what I'll tell your viewers right now.
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The next time one of them come up to you and tell you that you are the cause of my suffering,
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you're the cause of all my problems, you're the reason why we're at the bottom, you tell them you
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are a slave looking for a master. And I refuse to be your master. If you want a master, go to the
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Democratic Party because they are masters looking for slaves. I will help you become a free man as
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I am a free man. I will help you exercise your freedom like I exercise mine. If you need a job,
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I help you find one. If you need education, I help you get one. If you're a good preacher,
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I help you find one. Short of that, if you come to try to take something from me or hurt me or mine,
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I got two things that'll get you off of me, Jesus Christ and my 38. Come try me.
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Tell me a little bit more about how you mentioned the prosperity gospel earlier. We've talked about
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both the prosperity gospel and liberation theology, James Cone, the problem with all of that,
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that has really seeped into the church at large. Tell me a little bit more about how you believe
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that the prosperity gospel has dominated what is typically known as the black church. Although
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you're right, there is just one church, but churches that are predominantly filled with
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black Americans. Where do you think that plays a negative role here? Well, we all know that the
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Christian religion teaches you that Jesus Christ will give you peace that transcends all understanding.
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When you're after money, when you're after possessions, you're actually after peace. You're after security.
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You're after trying to make yourself feel like nothing can happen to me. I can pay my bills.
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I can feed myself. I can clothe myself. Jesus Christ said, I'll do all of that for you. He said,
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he'll do it. So now you have these people in the prosperity gospel telling you, no, no, no, no,
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man will do it. And because of that, we have an apostate religion.
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And what do you say to those who identify as Christian Democrats, or there's a lot of
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Christians, Christian influencers, Christian authors that they say that they're apolitical,
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or maybe even they say they're theologically conservative. But when it comes to the issue
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of what they would call social justice, racial justice, police brutality, they say, oh, I have
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to vote Democrat for these issues. They would say, I'm, you know, I'm pro-life, but I have to vote
00:24:19.060
Democrat because they are the party that's helping us in those areas. What's your response to that?
00:24:23.520
The great C.S. Lewis said that people will use Christianity as a means to an end, even as a
00:24:35.480
That's right. He said that the enemy, which, you know, God, will not be used as a convenience.
00:24:40.720
He said he will not allow you to use him to get something of value on earth. He wants a relationship
00:24:47.160
with you, just like a father wants a relationship with his child or a mother. You don't want your child
00:24:52.260
coming to you because they want money or because they want a new car or because they want a house.
00:24:57.080
You want them to come to be with you because they love you and you love them. And as you talk and as
00:25:01.460
you see what they need, you will provide it because you love them and they love you. They have made this
00:25:07.140
thing artificial. They've told people to come to God for social justice, to come to God for money,
00:25:13.380
to come to God for a house. No, you come to him because you love him. You come to him because he's your
00:25:20.440
father. You come to him because you want to spend time with him. It's like when you, you know, Christmas time,
00:25:25.620
you get in your car and you drive 10 hours just to sit down with your mom and your daddy just because you love
00:25:30.520
him. I don't want nothing from you. I just want to see you. I just want to spend time with you.
00:25:35.420
That's the relationship that he wants with his children. And then because of that relationship, everything you need,
00:25:41.200
he'll get to you. He'll give to you. See, they miss out on that.
00:25:44.480
They don't want to have their relationship. They just want the stuff. They want you to believe that
00:25:49.560
God will give you the stuff. And it's a cynical way. It's like a pimp and a prostitute. And God
00:25:58.880
won't be used as a convenience. And all these people now, they're just prostitutes. They're lying to the
00:26:03.820
people. Jesus Christ came. He really, really scolded the Pharisees and the Sadducees because they had led
00:26:09.900
the people wrong. And what did they do? They went to the government to have him killed. These
00:26:14.660
preachers go to the government for everything they want. It is a lie. Jesus will provide everything.
00:26:20.240
And no matter how many, how often good Christians tell you that, my daddy will tell you that,
00:26:24.720
my brothers and sisters will tell you that. I'm sure you'll sell the same thing to people.
00:26:28.680
They don't want to believe it because they have the preacher who has so much authority in the black
00:26:33.200
community tell them something absolutely positively different. And this is why he has such a visual effect
00:26:38.940
on me. And this is why I wrote in my book that the black pastor is the crookedest occupation in
00:26:46.400
America right now. My father told me, he was a gospel music DJ for 28 years in Brownsville, Tennessee,
00:26:53.160
when I decided to run for Congress in 2000 against Jim Clyburn. He said, Vince, let me tell you
00:26:57.940
something. I've taught you to revere the church and to revere God. But when you go to these black
00:27:02.480
preachers, remember this one thing. He said, trust a bootlegger before you trust a black preacher.
00:27:06.540
He said, leave me. They're the worst people walking the face of this earth. And I'm going
00:27:11.220
to tell you, I have found it out to be true. They know they weren't sent by God. They know
00:27:16.620
it. Just read something in the Washington Post about this black preacher up in the south of
00:27:21.560
New York. These guys came in and robbed him while he was preaching. A million dollars worth
00:27:25.900
of a jury off him and his wife. A million dollars worth of jury. He rides around in New York
00:27:31.960
City and his Rolls Royce. You know, black people, the poorest people in the industrialized
00:27:35.920
world. And something else I want to tell you about, if you read the Moynihan report,
00:27:43.320
Moynihan told Lyndon Johnson in 1965 that the black family is going to be destroyed because
00:27:47.000
of the welfare society has set up. He saw a trend happening and he said, we must use the
00:27:52.720
fellow government's money to put the black man back in charge of his family. Johnson asked
00:27:56.760
him to take this to the civil rights community. Moynihan took this to Martin Luther King Jr.
00:28:01.700
He and McGeorge Bundy met with the civil rights community and McGeorge Bundy wrote. And this
00:28:06.560
was written in the book, Bearing the Cross by Derrick Garrow. It won a Pulitzer Prize. He
00:28:11.840
said, it's a wonder Moynihan got out of that room alive. McGeorge Bundy was head of the Ford
00:28:17.680
Foundation. He said they cursed him out. They called him a racist, called him everything.
00:28:21.900
They said that marriage was like slavery. And they wanted to use that money to get the
00:28:27.700
black woman out of marriage, not to put her into it. So they went to Lyndon Johnson and
00:28:33.240
they demanded that instead of the man be in the house for welfare, that he be out of the
00:28:38.240
house. So the man in house clause was put in welfare. And Martin Luther King's hands
00:28:43.200
were all, his fingerprints were on it. And in one generation, we went from 80% of black
00:28:48.560
children being born in two parent families to 80% of being born out of wedlock. And
00:28:52.960
it was called the black pastor because of the civil rights movement, the feminists in the
00:28:56.620
civil rights movement, and they hadn't changed it since. Because in 1954, the communists in
00:29:05.240
Moscow who had infiltrated the civil rights movement gave their people absolute instruction.
00:29:11.320
This was written in Taylor Branch's book, America in the King Years, Parting Waters. He said
00:29:16.800
they gave them instructions to turn the black community into a replica of the communist
00:29:21.140
bloc. Look at us now. Dictator worship, one-party rule, poverty, substance abuse. We look just
00:29:32.180
like the Soviet Union before it collapsed. They've accomplished everything they wanted. And right
00:29:36.460
now, the black caucus, because you remember when they all went to see Castro, right, over
00:29:39.360
in Cuba, Jim Clyburn and his crew? They did it twice. They've always had this thing for
00:29:44.280
communists. And they built this Marxist utopia in the black community and set it aside from
00:29:50.100
the rest of America. It is time for us to wake up and understand these people are our enemy.
00:29:54.620
We no longer have policy disagreements with the Democratic Party. It is an evil institution.
00:30:00.240
All they do is meditate on blood. And when we decide that they're evil, we know it's time
00:30:17.240
I was thinking the other day as I was reading, I think in the book of Titus, about how God is a God
00:30:22.880
of order. He orders the church. He ordered the world through creation. And one thing that you never
00:30:27.920
see is him being an agent of chaos and lawlessness. Actually, we find throughout scripture that he hates
00:30:33.080
chaos. He hates lawlessness. He hates disorder. And when I think about this movement of progressivism,
00:30:38.740
leftism, whatever you want to call it, whatever has infected the Democrat Party, that is what it is
00:30:46.200
perpetuating. That is what it is pushing. Disorder, whether it comes to gender, whether it comes to
00:30:51.720
sex and marriage and relationships, the order of authority of the church and the state and the family,
00:30:57.760
everything is subverted. Everything is inverted in a way and everything is disordered. And that is why we are
00:31:04.380
seeing the kind of moral chaos that we're seeing, the kind of lawless anarchy that we're seeing. And I think
00:31:10.300
you're right. This does play right into the hands of our foreign enemies who really want to see America
00:31:18.220
Of course, of course. Abraham Lincoln said that they'll never be able to invade America.
00:31:24.340
That America will either be a country of free men or we'll destroy each other by suicide.
00:31:29.620
And we are doing that. Listen, you're right. Wherever chaos rules, the devil reigns. He is the master
00:31:39.840
of disorder. Go into any black ghetto and look at the disorder. Litter, drugs, fighting, you know,
00:31:51.240
and they look at it as a utopia. They never try to change a thing. They want to defund the police.
00:31:57.460
With all of this crime down in the black community, defund the police, make it worse. They see these
00:32:02.180
schools not educating these children. They know it. They have the same data you and I have. But what is
00:32:06.580
their plan? Let's give them more money. Not make them more accountable, not change a thing. They
00:32:11.380
fight against charters. They fight against school choice. The NAACP put on a white paper saying they
00:32:16.640
want all charter schools outlawed in America. They fight against school vouchers. They have tried to
00:32:22.780
infiltrate the Christian schools and universities. They went to the Supreme Court last year saying that
00:32:29.020
they want to make sure that gay and lesbian teachers can teach at Catholic schools and Christian schools.
00:32:34.560
These people see what's going on. They've looked at the statistics and they have seen that for the
00:32:41.940
last seven years, the population of the United States of America has been dwindling. We are now
00:32:47.300
at a negative rate of population growth for the first time in our nation's history because of abortion,
00:32:53.640
because of the destruction of family. They have taken the childbearing ages of like maybe between 18 and
00:33:00.220
35, right? And now 20 percent of those children see themselves as LGBTQ, when in my generation only
00:33:06.800
about one or two percent saw it. So you've taken 20 percent of the childbearing age and you put them
00:33:12.260
in a position where they can't have children. And now America is dying. They see these statistics
00:33:17.820
and they get mad when we say we don't want to abort the children. These people are marching to murder
00:33:23.540
children who have not even been born yet. Yeah. This is a sickness. Now, when Abraham Lincoln
00:33:29.920
called slavery evil, we destroyed it. When Churchill and Roosevelt called Nazism evil,
00:33:36.880
we destroyed it. When Ronald Reagan called the Soviet Union evil, we destroyed them.
00:33:43.060
We right now no longer have policy disagreements with the Democrat Party. They have told us who they
00:33:48.100
are. For a long time, they lied about wanting to abort children up to the ninth month. They admit to it now.
00:33:52.480
For a long time, they lied about gay marriage. They admit to it now. For a long time, they lied about
00:33:58.120
trying to groom children into an LGBTQ lifestyle. They admit to it now. For a long time, they lied
00:34:03.280
about trying to take over Christian universities and churches and synagogues. They admit to it now.
00:34:10.020
We know who they are. We know who the enemy is. We need to stop acting like they are just another party
00:34:16.680
that is part of the American political system. We have to call them an evil institution
00:34:21.200
that needs to be either completely destroyed or completely changed. One or the other.
00:34:26.840
This will be the fourth time that we've had to destroy the Democrat Party to save America.
00:34:33.600
We had to do it in the Civil War. We had to do it during Jim Crow. We had to do it during
00:34:38.920
all of these, during the times when they had the Ku Klux Klan and the Red Shirts during the time of
00:34:48.360
Reconstruction. And now we got to take them on again because now they're killing, they're trying
00:34:54.260
to kill more children that are being born. They're trying to destroy the family, and they're trying
00:34:58.320
to destroy God, and they're trying to destroy the borders. They're trying to destroy the economy.
00:35:02.480
They're trying to take away our right to keep them in arms, which means they will destroy the United States of America.
00:35:06.040
They look at the stats. They know what they're doing. This is all a plan. And unless we wake up
00:35:11.360
and understand it, they are going to accomplish their plan, and then they're going to try to come
00:35:15.400
and kill us all. And this is not overstating it. These are evil people. They are evil.
00:35:21.580
Well, I mean, I think that you could look at historical precedent and say that the movement
00:35:26.560
of communism has always been a murderous one. If you look at Mao's cultural revolution, which I think
00:35:31.400
that we share a lot of similarities to that. Like when you're looking at struggle sessions, people who
00:35:35.820
dissented, being shamed and tortured publicly until they acquiesced and apologized and agreed
00:35:41.140
with the regime. We see that in a variety of forms in the public square today. And I do think that
00:35:47.440
they kind of glorify the Chinese revolution that happened in the 20th century, which, of course,
00:35:52.640
that and the great leap forward led to the deaths of tens of millions of people. I do see that certainly
00:35:58.700
through a lot of this climate activism, the suggestions that we're going to do away with meat,
00:36:04.020
that they're going to confiscate people's farmlands, which is happening in the Netherlands
00:36:07.620
right now. I mean, we saw them take away people's economic livelihoods during COVID. So I actually
00:36:14.200
don't think that it is a leap, what you're saying, that at least you could say that these progressive
00:36:19.400
policies that they're going to put in place, whether it's for the sake of equity, they say,
00:36:24.340
which is what allowing criminals back into the streets is done under the guise of that, or whether
00:36:31.060
it's climate change policy, or whether it's their economic policy. I mean, you are looking at
00:36:35.820
devastation and death in a lot of different ways, unfortunately.
00:36:40.360
Yes. And they know that they're gonna have to cause pain. This is why the gas prices and the
00:36:45.420
recession doesn't matter to them. They will tell you, you cannot have a revolution in the featherbed.
00:36:51.420
It's going to cause pain. And their job is to cause that pain. Castro did it in Cuba. Lenin did it in
00:36:59.500
Russia. Mao did it in Kamishana. As you know, they're doing it in Venezuela. They don't mind causing
00:37:05.180
the pain. They want to cause the pain. When you read Trotsky, and when you read Stalin, they talk about
00:37:10.660
terror. They talk about doing revolution through terror. Che Guevara, Castro, all of them read these
00:37:17.780
books. And they will go into countries and start a revolution. As a matter of fact, that's one of
00:37:21.100
the problems of Cuba. Every time they get there, they're trying to foment revolution somewhere down
00:37:24.940
in South America. And then they want to bring it up to America. It is a worldwide conspiracy.
00:37:30.740
They are dead enders. They've never stopped. They have their crew here in America that they are
00:37:35.420
using to get it done. They have infiltrated our government. They've always been there. And the
00:37:42.040
media covers for them. They will not tell you the truth about it. They tried to cover for the
00:37:47.340
Rosenbergs for years until Glassnose came out and told us, yes, they were spies. They tried to
00:37:52.520
cover and make Fidel Castro look like he's some type of swashbuckling hero and Che Guevara t-shirts
00:37:57.920
here in America. You know, you had the Black Panthers selling the Red Book down at Berkeley
00:38:05.660
in South California. And it ended up being nothing but a bunch of dope Dylan hustlers and selling
00:38:12.620
poison on the streets to black people in Oakland. You know, every time you look at one of these black
00:38:16.600
organizations, whether it be the black gorilla family, whether it be the Crips and the Bloods,
00:38:20.280
whether it be the Black Panthers, whether it be any of them, you'll find out there was a Marxist
00:38:24.440
communist connection to them. And they took their money and they came to America and they tried to
00:38:30.760
burn it down. Look at Black Lives Matter. They will tell you they're Marxists. They don't lie about it.
00:38:35.840
And they have set this country on fire. And then black churches and black liberation theology is a Marxist
00:38:44.220
concept. And you and I both know that if Marxism is carried out to its end, what does it do? It destroys the
00:38:50.180
church. Yeah. It destroys Christianity. And these idiots are supporting it. Yeah. Seeing black preachers with a
00:38:56.120
Black Lives Matter t-shirt on. He's an idiot. Don't you know that Black Lives Matter get their way? They're going to cut
00:39:00.900
your head off with a guillotine. Yep. They don't know it. That's Marxism. And what we have to do is
00:39:06.920
stop pretending that it's not. Stop pretending that the Black Caucus has any legitimacy in America at
00:39:13.360
all. That black politicians or black preachers or black civic organizations that side with the
00:39:18.760
Democratic Party have to be called out for what they are. They are anti-American. They are revolutionary.
00:39:24.560
And they seek to destroy this nation and kill millions in the process. And we have to look at
00:39:30.980
them as enemies of the state. I read something in Taylor Branch's book that blew my mind. He said that
00:39:38.840
John F. Kennedy called Martin Luther King Jr. to the White House, told him that he had communists in his
00:39:43.500
group. He said, you got Stanley Levinson, number one communist in America, Brad Rustin. He's a communist.
00:39:48.620
And the guy that's running your organization, the executive director, Jack O'Dell, he's a communist.
00:39:52.960
They need to go. Because if you fall, my administration falls. King said he would do it.
00:39:58.740
Jack O'Dell didn't believe him and followed him. They had this meeting in Dorchester. Jack O'Dell
00:40:02.740
hadn't had cameras there. And he said that King had so many communists and spies there that the meeting
00:40:07.600
should have been held at Times Square. I mean, not Times Square, Red Square. He said that they took this
00:40:12.020
back to Bobby Kennedy. And this is when that necessitated all the wiretaps that followed him around and found
00:40:17.000
him in all his orgies and whatnot. Well, here's the most amazing thing about it. After so many of these
00:40:22.680
communists were found, and King was warned so many times about these guys, the FBI got together
00:40:28.280
and they said that we are no longer going to warn him anymore. And they, and this is what Taylor
00:40:33.880
Bryant said, they deemed King an enemy of the state, an enemy of the United States of America,
00:40:39.300
and said, which meant that if somebody came and sought to kill him, they would not warn him.
00:40:45.140
Something that they would give to the mafia dons that they refused to give to Martin Luther King Jr.
00:40:49.460
And that's how James Earl Ray got joined. He was so connected to the communists in Moscow.
00:40:56.120
Whether King was a communist or not, I cannot say. I'm telling you what I've read. I was four
00:41:00.680
years old when Martin Luther King died. Never met him. Don't know him. But when I read the books of
00:41:05.020
Garrow, when I read the books of Taylor Branch, when I hear what a lot of the other politicians during
00:41:11.880
that time from Bobby Kennedy and John Kennedy said about him, and then I look at the condition of
00:41:15.540
black people, I have to ask the question. That's really interesting. Do you think that Republicans
00:41:21.660
and conservatives in general are doing enough to expose what you're talking about, but also counter
00:41:28.360
the movement of progressivism and the Democrat Party?
00:41:32.740
No. In 1992, Lee Atwater made a deal with the Black Caucus. And he looked at the map and said that we
00:41:45.960
need to get more Republicans in. So he made a deal with the Black Caucus and said, if you guys vote on
00:41:49.780
our redistricting map, we guarantee you that we will give you, we will double your black districts
00:41:57.780
in the Congress and in the state, and in the state houses in the South. He also said, and we also
00:42:03.360
promise you that we will not run. We will not fund any Republican that runs against you in the future.
00:42:09.260
This was 1992. The Democrats signed off on, on, on, on, on their, their, their redistricting plan.
00:42:15.900
In 1994, Newt Gingrich and the Republicans still go to the House of Representatives.
00:42:19.920
Since that time, I think the Democrats only had eight years and we've had it the rest of the time.
00:42:24.580
Now, what did that do? This is politics, right? They, they, they have written off the black vote.
00:42:29.340
I don't care if the person is black or white, if they're running against a black, if they're running,
00:42:35.520
if they are running in a Democrat control, uh, majority black district, they get no help.
00:42:43.100
So for the last 30 years, uh, black people have not heard anything about the Republican party,
00:42:48.920
except for what the Democrats want to tell them about the Republican party. And if you read Abraham Lincoln's,
00:42:54.580
Cooper union address, he said the same thing. They, he, he accused the Democrats of lying when they
00:43:00.180
said that, uh, the Republicans trying to foment some type of slave rebellion. He said that, um,
00:43:05.820
we, the only thing that your slaves know about the Republican party is what you say about us in our
00:43:10.240
absence. He said, we couldn't get a slave rebellion started in the South because they love
00:43:13.520
their masters too much. And this is the same thing going on now. And one of the reasons black
00:43:18.180
people vote for the democratic party in such large numbers, the Stockholm syndrome, uh,
00:43:22.220
the Democrats have been in control of the black community, um, for the last 220 years,
00:43:27.580
they had them enslaved. They beat them during Jim Crow. They, they, they, they, they, they,
00:43:32.840
they hung them from trees. They castrated them. They raped their women. And they let it be known
00:43:37.560
if you voted Democrat or if you voted Republican, I'm sorry, we will kill you dead. So in 1960,
00:43:42.420
when black people finally got the right to vote, many thought they were going to vote for the
00:43:45.900
Republican party. No, they did not. They voted straight Democrat because of cognitive dissonance
00:43:50.780
and Stockholm syndrome. And this is not a condemnation. This is an explanation.
00:43:55.580
Nobody on the conservative side or the Republican side has ever gone to the black community
00:43:59.240
and really spent a whole lot of time, a lot of money explaining to them exactly what the
00:44:04.040
Republican party stands for. Right now you have people in the black community that are mostly
00:44:09.060
apathetic and miseducated. But then you've got three other parts of this Democrat coalition
00:44:16.740
that exists. And these are the evil. These are the insane. And these are the, the, the crazy
00:44:26.300
people, man. They just, it's nothing you can do for them. You know, the stupid people, the insane
00:44:30.160
people and, and, and, and the evil people, uh, have to just be defeated. So we can deal with
00:44:37.080
the apathetic and we can deal with the miseducated. You can get them started. But when you deal with
00:44:42.920
the insane, when, when you deal with the crazy people, when you deal with the, the evil people,
00:44:49.260
that's a whole nother matter. You have to prepare yourself with guns, with, with, with, with, with,
00:44:55.720
with institutions and with the word of God to protect yourself against them.
00:45:01.180
Well, thank you so much for your insight. I appreciate your clarity and your knowledge on
00:45:05.180
this subject so much. Can you tell people where they can buy your book, 25 lies and where they
00:45:12.020
Well, you just go on amazon.com, go online. It's at many of the bookstores also, but you can go to
00:45:17.120
amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com and you can get 25 lies. Please read this book. It's easy to read.
00:45:23.720
Each chapter is no more than 10 pages, somewhere like maybe three to four, but it can be used as a
00:45:29.160
handbook. Um, uh, these 25 lies. One is, uh, you will be, you will be held accountable for,
00:45:34.820
for your vote. God is gonna hold you accountable. Another is about, you know, the, the lie that guns
00:45:39.220
are bad. Another lies that school choice is bad. Another lies that the civil rights movement helped
00:45:44.540
blacks. Another lie is that Brown versus board of education helped blacks. Another lies that Democrats,
00:45:50.100
uh, don't want segregation. It explains so much about how Democrats lie, how they get away with it,
00:45:57.100
how they post black and white Christians against one another, because they know if black and white
00:46:01.560
Christians who believe on 99% of everything, if we ever get together, if we ever start talking,
00:46:07.580
they're done. Yeah. I think that's a really good point. Well, thank you so much for taking the time
00:46:12.720
to talk to us today. I really hope people go out and buy your book. We'll link it in the description
00:46:16.500
of this episode. Thank you so much. Thank you so very much. You are an absolute pro and I enjoy