Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 665 ｜ Why American Cities Are Dying

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Today we are talking to Sean Fitzgerald. He is

00:00:06.080 the host of Actual Justice Warrior on YouTube. I've had him on before talking about the Innocence

00:00:13.400 Project and the fraudulent information that they often put out to try to get people exonerated or

00:00:20.160 off of death row. And he talks about the truth behind these cases that are often presented to

00:00:26.320 the media in a way that is simply not factual. But we are also going to be talking about the

00:00:31.600 soft on crime policies that are being implemented in the name of racial equity that are actually

00:00:39.000 causing more victims, more crime, more violence. And so we're going to discuss that per usual.

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00:00:56.600 Allie. Now, without further ado, here is our friend, Sean Fitzgerald.

00:01:11.020 Sean, thanks so much for joining us again. So tell us once again, you told us last time,

00:01:16.940 but just as a refresher, what your YouTube channel is about and why you started it.

00:01:20.880 Oh, my channel is called The Actual Justice Warrior, and I cover primarily criminal justice

00:01:26.980 related issues. I've been focusing a lot on local crime surge, specifically in New York City,

00:01:32.040 because I unfortunately live in New York City. And I also do criminal justice reform,

00:01:38.060 like response videos to certain proposals or efforts or campaigns to get who I believe to be

00:01:43.680 guilty people out of prison. OK, so tell me about the recent crime surge in places like New York City.

00:01:50.040 In your estimation, what policies are causing this?

00:01:54.020 So one of the biggest ones by far in New York state is bail reform. But there's also a general

00:01:59.740 attitude across the country. And it was first referenced by the FBI director back in 2014

00:02:05.240 called the Ferguson effect. And it's this idea that as we become more concerned about and we should be

00:02:10.980 concerned to a certain extent about police being biased or racist or just inappropriate in their uses

00:02:17.080 of force based on these bad cases that the cops kind of pull back and then the criminals fill that

00:02:22.940 vacuum. But in New York state specifically, it's bail reform. The fact that these that you cannot be held

00:02:28.880 in jail for more than a few hours after you commit serious crimes, including aggravated vehicular

00:02:35.720 manslaughter is absurd. Right. But it's not necessarily being applied to everyone. There was that bodega

00:02:42.620 owner a few weeks ago that defended himself against an armed robber in his store. And then he ended up

00:02:49.740 going to Rikers. And I think after blowback, the D.A. released him from Rikers. But I mean, you're talking

00:02:55.600 about bias in the police force. The same people who complained about that have no problem weaponizing

00:03:00.880 their own biases as a prosecutor. Right. Well, the the Alba case, the guy wasn't actually an armed

00:03:08.680 robber. He came in to fight him over a three dollar EBT transaction that didn't go through with

00:03:14.600 his girlfriend because she felt he was too rude to her about her not having the money for that

00:03:20.580 transaction. So he comes behind the counter, assaults Alba, who is 61 years old, this man who

00:03:26.060 was out without bail or released early on an assault on a police officer charge and a bunch of other

00:03:31.700 things attacks him. And then Alba grabs a knife that they used to open packages and he defends

00:03:36.900 himself against him. And they charged Alba with a second degree homicide, which is, I believe,

00:03:43.260 first degree homicide in New York is a very specific charge that relates to government officials.

00:03:47.820 So it actually would have been the highest homicide charge that they could have gotten on him.

00:03:51.820 And what's even more wild is that the girlfriend, the one who started this whole

00:03:55.940 altercation, ended up stabbing Alba during the course of that incident. But they ruled that since

00:04:01.560 Alba unnecessarily escalated the situation, he doesn't have a right to self-defense, but she has

00:04:07.760 a right to self-defense in defense of others in her stabbing of Alba. And by the way, she has not been

00:04:12.560 charged to this point. And I mean, does this have to do in your perspective with race? I mean, obviously,

00:04:20.580 Alba is not white himself. I think that he is maybe an Indian immigrant. And then the two other

00:04:27.640 people involved in this are black. Do you think that this has to do with kind of like this new

00:04:32.940 fangled definition of equity? Right. I do think so. But quick correction, Alba is actually from the

00:04:39.060 Dominican Republic. Oh, OK. My bad. Yeah. There there's definitely this idea that the unequal

00:04:45.080 outcomes. It's something I call the racism of the gaps, which I got from a friend of mine, Devin

00:04:49.900 Tracy, that if you can find a gap on the God and the God of the gaps in case people. And if you could

00:04:57.780 find a gap and you don't need and you don't have an explanation or you don't even care for an

00:05:02.660 explanation, you just fill that gap with racism. So, you know, in that instance, we have a district

00:05:07.920 attorney who doesn't like to prosecute anybody, Alvin Bragg. He doesn't like to set bail for anyone.

00:05:13.120 And he actually asked for a half a million dollar bond against Alba. And, you know, bond is supposed

00:05:19.020 to be you're going to flee the country, which he wasn't going to flee the country or you're a serious

00:05:23.740 threat to reoffend during the time of, you know, before your trial. And what are the chances that

00:05:29.860 somebody else will come behind the counter, grab hold of him to where he can escape. And he happens to

00:05:35.420 see a knife there like it made no sense. Yeah. But so I do think it's an equity agenda,

00:05:40.080 but it's also an agenda against self-defense. Yeah. Like we see the left coming after that on

00:05:44.340 every single regard. And not even with it, not even with a gun. So it doesn't even have to do

00:05:49.420 with that. I mean, what do you think is behind that here? You have two brown people. Of course,

00:05:54.380 that's not something that I care about. But in the progressive world, that's something that they care

00:05:58.460 about. You've got two brown people. They got an altercation. One defended himself with a knife. And

00:06:04.360 you're saying the charge against him was a very serious charge, very high bond. So it's not just

00:06:10.420 that he was charged, but he was charged to that extent. Can you I guess I don't know if you have

00:06:15.800 to be a mind reader or just kind of be insightful into what the progressive agenda is. But why like,

00:06:20.820 why is there an attack on that kind of self-defense? Well, I used to believe that, you know, it was

00:06:27.040 maybe like saying that they're pro criminal was a little bit hyperbolic. But in this instance,

00:06:32.100 this guy is a felon. He was released multiple times. He had pending charges, should have never

00:06:38.300 been out in the first place. Alba's an immigrant who became a citizen 14 years ago. He's been in

00:06:43.360 the country for 30 years. He works 13 hour shifts at these bodegas. And it's funny because a week

00:06:48.640 before this, the biggest controversy was some some kid who just moved to New York making fun of

00:06:53.320 bodegas mildly. But apparently you can attack somebody in a bodega, but you dare not make fun of the fact

00:06:59.640 that they don't have too many groceries. But yeah, it really is a pro criminal agenda. It's the idea

00:07:05.960 that if you're committing crimes, you must be a victim by our overall society. And that's what led

00:07:11.480 you to be in that position in the first place. So it's it's it's it's pro criminal, but it's also

00:07:17.280 the idea that society needs to take responsibility rather than the individual.

00:07:22.280 Yeah, that's so interesting. And in case people didn't catch it, in case they miss,

00:07:26.560 I don't remember what his nickname was bodega guy or like bodega bro. It was bodega bro. He was

00:07:32.380 it was a guy who was like making TikToks about he moved to New York City. And he was like,

00:07:37.500 what the heck? Where are the grocery stores? I have to go to these bodegas and there's

00:07:40.840 not enough food there. And it was like all in good fun. And then he ended up getting so much backlash

00:07:45.720 online. It was racism, elitism, whatever. And then he got fired from his job. And so your point is

00:07:52.420 obviously the silly double standard that apparently you can go in and like start a fight with a bodega

00:07:57.660 owner. That's fine. But you can't make silly TikToks about them. Ridiculous. So as you were

00:08:03.820 talking about what kind of led to that fight, that apparently it was some kind of like alleged

00:08:10.220 mistreatment by Alba toward like the girlfriend, that seems to kind of be a common theme in these

00:08:17.240 altercations and crimes that are committed in New York City. I'm sure you saw that there was

00:08:21.700 there was a guy by the name of Michael Morgan. He faces charges of attempted murder and criminal

00:08:28.740 possession of a weapon because he shot someone outside of McDonald's because of cold fries.

00:08:35.880 I think that there this might be the same or there was another case that I saw on Twitter

00:08:40.140 where a guy thought that the McDonald's worker was like making fun of his girlfriend. And so he came

00:08:48.620 there and he literally like shot the McDonald's employee and the knack committed murder. There was

00:08:55.140 also I'm sure you saw like this chaotic video that was going viral of is it is it Belfry's or Belfry's

00:09:03.140 at New York in New York City where the they were mad that they had to pay like $1.75 for sauce and

00:09:11.060 they still they just started like tearing the place down and like throwing bricks at the employees.

00:09:15.940 So is this a common occurrence in New York City or is it just that we think that it is because it's

00:09:20.260 reported by the news? Well, it's becoming more common. It is backed up by the statistics. Pre George

00:09:26.380 Floyd, New York City was the safest big city statistically in the entire country. We had under 300 murders a

00:09:32.800 year. And, you know, at the peak, we would have twenty one hundred murders a year. So this was a huge

00:09:37.080 deal. Chicago, which has a third of our population, would actually have doubled the number of raw

00:09:42.600 murders, making their homicide rate six times our murder rate. And now since the George Floyd reforms,

00:09:49.700 our raw number of murders have gone up by about one hundred and fifty and we're going to be

00:09:54.500 approaching five hundred. So it's very common. And the McDonald's crime crime that you're speaking

00:09:59.780 of in the Bronx, he his mother received cold fries. She went home, told her son he came back an hour

00:10:07.080 later and he shot that person in the face. He died over that like a regular McDonald's employee that,

00:10:13.320 you know, probably he probably gave her the fries hot. They just were cold by the time she got home,

00:10:18.060 like died over that situation. And it's it reminds me of another crime that actually got the whole

00:10:24.120 like Hispanic community out in force because it was a robbery in uptown Manhattan of a Burger King.

00:10:30.380 And he shot this like 19 year old girl that was she was just giving him the money too slowly.

00:10:37.080 Yeah, right. And I mean, I guess that this attitude of entitlement has always been there,

00:10:44.700 but has certainly been kind of aggravated and even rewarded by some of the policies that you're

00:10:50.480 talking about. I mean, this guy, Michael Morgan, the cold fries guy, he had a long track record like

00:10:57.260 he probably should have already been in prison so he couldn't have committed this crime. And it seems

00:11:02.520 like that is the pattern, whether it's in New York City or Chicago or Houston or Denver or L.A.,

00:11:09.200 whatever it is, we see these horrific crimes, these horrific murders, and we find out nine times out of

00:11:15.140 10 that it's because some progressive judge or progressive prosecutor was they were afraid to

00:11:22.960 or they just were unwilling to actually exact the punishment that was needed to protect the

00:11:29.400 communities. I mean, this seems to be happening across the board. And by the way, the Morgan guy,

00:11:34.700 when he was arrested, actually admitted to another murder that he committed in 2020.

00:11:39.320 2020. So he, you know, he could have been caught years ago. But obviously, you know, we're we're

00:11:45.760 trimming back our anti-crime unit, which deals with guns, illegal possession of guns in the city of New

00:11:50.900 York. So who knows what would have happened if New York hadn't committed themselves to being soft on

00:11:55.660 crime. But it was another these these are called by a channel called Active Self Protection, ego battles

00:12:01.860 where people get into these violent situations over nothing of value of substance. So it's he killed

00:12:08.140 somebody in another one of these ego battles in 2020. And he was just out prowling the streets. And again,

00:12:14.020 this is a 24 or 20 year old dude that's that's committed these murders. It's absurd.

00:12:19.000 Yeah, it's interesting. That actually reminds me of something that C.S. Lewis has written about that,

00:12:25.340 like every vice and every sin is actually just a manifestation of pride. And so when it comes to murder,

00:12:32.400 when it comes to hate, when it comes to different forms of violence, it always starts with pride.

00:12:38.020 It always kind of starts with ego. Obviously, we can't necessarily change that by law, but you can

00:12:43.720 put laws in place to try to protect people from those kinds of crimes or any kinds of violent crimes

00:12:49.400 being committed. And to follow up on that. So I love the saying that pride is not the opposite of

00:12:58.000 shame. It is the source. So like we should probably stop promoting pride as a culture, because,

00:13:03.680 you know, when your pride is wounded, you end up in these situations. So like, but we have a culture

00:13:09.460 that seems to be emphasizing pride for a bunch of different groups, most notably, obviously,

00:13:13.620 the LGBT community. They have a whole month dedicated to it. But yeah, we should really

00:13:18.320 pull back on that because, you know, that pride is really hubris.

00:13:22.200 It's it's not a virtue. And we've known that. I mean, really, until pretty recently in the West,

00:13:28.860 we've regarded humility as a virtue and pride as a vice. And still in many parts of the world today,

00:13:35.440 it's still regarded humility is still regarded as a virtue. Unfortunately, just as we have done away

00:13:42.440 with many values in the West, we have done away with the value and the virtue of humility. Now,

00:13:47.540 unfortunately, when we're talking about this, you mentioned like the racism of the gaps theory,

00:13:52.660 I think Thomas Sowell would say, it's this like, fallacious idea that all forms of disparity

00:13:59.140 are due to discrimination. And he wrote a whole book kind of just completely dispelling that myth that

00:14:05.540 yes, disparities exist. They do not necessarily mean that there's been some form of discrimination.

00:14:12.240 And as we see that mentality, that all disparities are because of discrimination is actually

00:14:17.500 leading to really stupid and really deadly and really inequitable policies. When we're talking

00:14:23.500 about most of the cases that we're talking about, we unfortunately are talking about not just black

00:14:28.180 perpetrators of the crime, but also black victims. I think that's also a really interesting, sad,

00:14:34.280 troubling, disturbing part of the whole like social justice movement is that it is always out to

00:14:40.740 protect, in particular, the black criminal and completely ignoring the fact that the vast majority

00:14:48.900 of victims of these crimes perpetrated by black people are also black people. It seems like they're

00:14:56.720 only concerned with that disparity, the disparity of crimes committed and people arrested, and not the

00:15:03.260 disparity of the disproportionate rate of black people that die by those crimes.

00:15:08.540 A perfect example of this is the is the latest Black Lives Matter hoax that was fortunately stopped in

00:15:15.140 its infancy. It was out of Minneapolis, of course. And it was the case of Teckle Sundberg or Teckle Sundberg.

00:15:21.780 Yes. Where he he was shooting into a woman's apartment who happens to have black children,

00:15:27.780 which, you know, again, doesn't matter to me. But the woman brought it up and it theoretically should

00:15:31.740 matter to the people chanting Black Lives Matter. Right. She had to call the police. She had a firearm in her

00:15:37.000 home and the and they told her the 911 dispatcher told her not to engage the shooter, which is wild and

00:15:43.060 again goes to how people feel about self-defense. But this woman had to go get her stuff out of her

00:15:48.040 apartment, which was destroyed and was and saw a bunch of protesters blocking her entrance. So she

00:15:54.440 confronts them and you hear them screaming at her to shut up and like, you know, all these different

00:15:59.180 disparaging things. And then the body cam footage comes out and you see her running to to the doorway

00:16:05.780 when she is trying to see if the coast is clear to get her kids out of the way. And then the cops

00:16:10.260 grab her and they yank her behind the line behind the cops, because obviously there's a shooting

00:16:15.960 situation there. And you just hear the terror in this woman's voice as her two young children are

00:16:20.380 stuck in the house and she doesn't know what's going to go down. But the cops won't let her pass

00:16:24.680 because they have to get her out of out of the way. So all that horror and terror versus this guy who

00:16:30.040 was, you know, inflicting that and a family that didn't appear to check up on him and that are now

00:16:35.360 claiming he was just having a mental health episode. And you just see the crowd just coming

00:16:40.300 after. There was a woman who tried to fight her. They're telling her that she doesn't belong there,

00:16:43.720 even though she actually lives there. So it is absurd. And this is a perfect example of

00:16:48.440 an actual criminal who happens to be black taking priority over black children

00:16:52.940 that are, you know, ages four or five. They were tiny.

00:17:07.240 I mean, well, it happens constantly. You constantly see Black Lives Matter and the social racial justice

00:17:13.920 movement advocating on behalf of violent criminals who happen to share their melanin count and completely

00:17:20.460 disregarding the victims. And they'll say things like, well, punishing them is not going to bring

00:17:26.160 the victims back or punishing them. Punitive justice is not real justice, which I think is

00:17:32.160 ridiculous. That's a ridiculous statement. Actually, justice can be purely punitive, but it can also be

00:17:38.040 protective while being punitive. Like I think about back at the height of like the Black Lives Matter

00:17:44.900 riots and protests. There was a little eight year old girl, Sequoia Turner. It was in Atlanta and her mom

00:17:53.720 and her were in the car. They just happened to turn into a Wendy's where Black Lives Matter activists were

00:17:59.060 burning it down for who knows what reason, I guess in the name of racial justice. They were just trying

00:18:03.880 to turn around to go the other direction. Black Lives Matter activists shot into her car, murdered this

00:18:08.820 little eight year old girl. And I have I mean, her name is not one that's going to be on like NFL jerseys

00:18:15.500 or NBA jerseys or one that is remembered the same way that, for example, Breonna Taylor's is. And so

00:18:22.700 and these are people who say that they are working on behalf of the oppressed when really they're

00:18:28.240 advocating for the oppressor in most cases. Yeah. Well, a great example actually was out of Texas a few

00:18:34.440 years ago. It was the same month as Jussie Smollett's actual crime that definitely happened

00:18:39.100 against him. Yeah. And that was the case of Jasmine Barnes, where this seven year old girl was shot on

00:18:45.620 New Year's Day and she was killed. And initially people thought the suspect was a white person. So

00:18:50.940 you had a Sean King led campaign. People were angry that President Trump wasn't talking about this

00:18:56.100 local crime story. There was a manhunt, a bunch of tips and all that. It turns out it was two black

00:19:02.340 perpetrators. And you can actually look at the news stories because I've been looking for updates

00:19:07.420 on this case. And the day that they arrested them, the national news coverage stopped. They

00:19:12.420 didn't follow the trial or any of the things that we would typically see in a case where the perpetrator

00:19:17.140 was white because all of a sudden it wasn't interesting anymore. So it's it's almost like you

00:19:21.760 had NBA players and NFL players paying for this girl's funeral, raising money for her, standing next to

00:19:27.040 her mom. And overnight, in an instant, they just washed their hands of the situation. And Sean King

00:19:32.240 did as well. Yeah. Speaking of Sean King, I don't know if you saw that headline that came out

00:19:36.880 that said that he used forty thousand dollars of donor funds to buy a dog, a dog that I guess was

00:19:44.220 forty thousand dollars. And this is not the first time that he has been accused of misusing the

00:19:50.800 donations that he raises in the name of dead black people, by the way. And people keep supporting him.

00:19:56.620 It's wild. I mean, there's so many grifters like this in the so-called social justice movement.

00:20:00.960 Oh, Samira Rice, Tamir Rice's mother has come out and accused all these people. She says none of this

00:20:08.460 money went to her and they would release statements that are like that basically say, well, we're

00:20:13.300 raising money for the cause, not for the individual. But they're putting her son's name all over this

00:20:19.320 situation and all over their fundraising emails. And and that's how they're generating revenue. And by the

00:20:25.300 way, one of the nastiest things that Sean King has ever done is that when Chadwick Boseman, the actor

00:20:31.700 who played Black Panther died, he put him in a fundraising email that same day or the very next

00:20:38.040 day. Of course. That's and I don't think people realize and hopefully it's going to be uncovered.

00:20:44.380 It has in in large portions, but not completely just the huge well-funded grift that is the social

00:20:52.140 racial justice movement. I mean, BLM is a really good example of that using tens of millions of

00:20:56.540 dollars to buy their own properties. Right. Yeah. Oh, and transferring funds because one of the

00:21:03.520 founders, I think Patrice Cullors, her wife runs a charity operation out of Canada and they bought this

00:21:10.480 former headquarters of the Communist Party in Canada mansion through a transfer from Black Lives Matter

00:21:16.960 like nonprofit to this nonprofit so that they could have a headquarters. Now, they insist that this is

00:21:22.840 totally for business purposes and all that. But there we've seen videos of them hosting parties and

00:21:28.440 doing social media campaigns out of mansions in L.A. So I just it this this money, it's it's not

00:21:36.280 accounted for. They they've actually been ordered by the state of California of all places to stop

00:21:41.700 raising money in that state because they have not they don't have the proper person like the proper

00:21:47.020 treasurer or an accountant, whatever, whatever they're needing to do the reporting properly.

00:21:51.040 They're not in compliance as of twenty nineteen. And and it's just like, oh, OK, I guess that's the

00:21:56.200 thing that happened. But, you know, they say racial equity. So it's it's fine, I guess.

00:22:00.840 Well, does that surprise you, though, that California has kind of tried to crack down on them and

00:22:04.760 has actually tried to enforce the rules, make them follow the rules?

00:22:10.720 It's surprising because they're a very left leaning state. But if you think about it,

00:22:14.280 they have probably the most patrons to these organizations. And, you know, they might even

00:22:20.400 be or in all these properties are being bought in California. So you would think they're being

00:22:24.340 inundated with complaints and all this stuff. So, you know. Yeah.

00:22:28.360 Yeah. Yeah. I haven't talked about this and started to spring this on you. If you don't

00:22:34.140 know enough about it to talk about it, that's fine. But I've been meaning to talk about on

00:22:37.900 my show the case of Ethan Lemming, the Ohio teenager that was murdered. And of course,

00:22:45.740 LeBron James, who says that he's scared to go outside because he thinks that he is going

00:22:50.880 to be hunted, I guess, by white supremacists and who says that he's on the side of social

00:22:55.760 justice. He he hasn't had anything to say about this. And really, the mainstream media

00:22:59.720 hasn't really either. Do you know anything about the details of that case and the response

00:23:05.180 to it?

00:23:06.500 Yes. So Ethan Lemming, he was a 17 year old kid and he was out with his friends and they

00:23:12.940 were firing off this. It's it was described initially as a water gun, but it shoots water

00:23:18.380 beads. And of course, the city of New York recently banned it because there was a shooting

00:23:22.620 over this exact toy as well. And they shot at some people in a basketball court and they

00:23:30.340 they ended up chasing them down or two people in the car ended up chasing them down. And

00:23:34.520 then they ran back towards the car and Ethan stepped out of the car because he thought they

00:23:38.380 were like horsing around, according to his friends. And these three individuals, three

00:23:43.500 men plus a woman beat him or the woman was observing, beat him to death like they jumped

00:23:49.120 him and they beat him to death. And this happened to be in a parking lot adjacent to LeBron James

00:23:54.240 Promise School in Akron, Ohio, or in a parking lot that is a part of the school. I never got

00:23:59.860 that clarified. But during the during the manhunt, because they didn't find these individuals,

00:24:05.300 the family was begging for media attention. And LeBron essentially his organization tweeted

00:24:11.420 out like thoughts and prayers, which is something that LeBron has specifically criticized in the

00:24:15.880 past. And they they they said, oh, don't worry, the school's safe. It's not like, you know,

00:24:22.080 class isn't in session. Don't worry about it. So like this kid died. The parents were looking for

00:24:26.700 attention. They were trying to raise money to, you know, maybe if you have a tip that will you'll get

00:24:31.700 a reward. And it got no attention from LeBron. And LeBron, you know, says that he's very involved in

00:24:36.800 the Akron community. This happened at his school. He's promoted cases where the perpetrators

00:24:41.680 appeared to be white and the victim appeared to be black in the past, even though they were super

00:24:46.500 flimsy. And in this case, it was three black men that beat this white kid to death. And by the way,

00:24:51.740 the white kid was two of his friends that were there were black kids. So like, but they beat him

00:24:57.060 to death. And it's just not interesting, even when it's an active manhunt. It's not interesting.

00:25:02.000 Yeah. And gosh, the story is just so terrible. Beat this boy to a pulp. Like you said, the the friends

00:25:09.120 who, again, I hate that we even have to talk about race. But as you said, the two friends are

00:25:12.820 black. The people who beat him are black. And like try to pull Ethan back into the car and drive away

00:25:19.260 to get to the hospital. He was unconscious at this point. And reportedly, the teens that beat him up

00:25:24.800 stopped the car, pulled him out of the car to continue to beat him and kick his head in. I mean,

00:25:30.740 just a horrible story. I feel so badly for his parents. I can't imagine this. But again, I mean,

00:25:36.560 crickets from the media and there's no assumptions of racial racial prejudice, which I'm not assuming

00:25:43.520 that either. But of course, pointing out the double standard that if the races were reversed,

00:25:48.660 there's not there's never even a question. Well, what was the motivation? What was the

00:25:53.180 circumstance? What was the context? How do we know that it's racism? It's always just assumed

00:25:57.400 if the races are reversed here. We're not even considering no one is even considering that this

00:26:03.120 might be a hate crime because of the color of his skin, because apparently that's just completely

00:26:06.800 impossible. And like you said, it's uninteresting. Also, this was reported by Fox News on July 29th.

00:26:13.220 The Ohio grand jury indicts three suspects on lesser charges in teens death. So these are there

00:26:20.380 were two brothers, 20 and 19, and then their 21 year old cousin who were all charged. And they

00:26:26.060 charged him on two counts or charged them on two counts of involuntary manslaughter,

00:26:30.920 felonies in the first and third degree respectively, and one count each a first degree assault and

00:26:35.900 fourth degree aggravated assault. What do you think about those charges? I don't know the specifics of

00:26:42.060 Ohio law, but I would think in general this would be an aggravated manslaughter when you're stomping

00:26:46.960 somebody's head. First of all, I'm of the belief that if you start if you start kicking somebody

00:26:51.300 after they're unconscious, you know, like whatever happens in a fight between guys is whatever. But as

00:26:56.020 soon as they're on the ground, as soon as they're unconscious, when you start kicking them in the

00:27:00.060 head or you keep hitting them, I'm of the belief that that should be attempted murder because that

00:27:04.740 to me that is that is the requisite intent. You know, he's on the ground. So I think that they

00:27:09.500 should be charged with murder, but at least an aggravated manslaughter. This was a three on one

00:27:14.700 beating. Yeah. And speaking of three on one beating, unfortunately, every time we talk about

00:27:20.540 a thing, I'm like, oh, this reminds me of another crime that I saw. And this one again is in New York

00:27:25.260 City. I'm sure you saw. Oh, no, this is in San Francisco. Another hotbed of all of this stuff.

00:27:30.840 There was a beating of a 70 year old Asian woman. That's how the that Fox News describes it. And

00:27:36.160 police seek 11 year old and three other suspects in this case. What is your confidence level that

00:27:43.860 they are going to be charged with anything significant? Well, they did vote out the the

00:27:48.700 Chesa Boudin in San Francisco. So was that surprising to you? Sorry to do an aside. But

00:27:54.940 like, what did you think about that? I think at a certain point, even the most liberal cities can't

00:28:01.520 deal with the fact that they have somebody like Chesa because, you know, we talk about these like

00:28:05.320 woke or left leaning district attorneys a lot like on my channel. But the thing is, is Chesa was a whole

00:28:11.380 other level. One of the first things he did, and I believe it was called the Friday Night Massacre,

00:28:15.180 is he fired all the prosecutors that work in the different individual units in the district

00:28:20.200 attorney's office, because, you know, you hire a district attorney and or you elect a district

00:28:24.840 attorney. The people hire them and they run the office. But you have teams of prosecutors like

00:28:30.700 careerists that are actually doing a lot of the legwork. And Chesa Boudin got rid of the gang unit.

00:28:36.380 Like you just fired all the prosecutors, the homicide unit and the robbery unit, like every single key

00:28:42.260 aspect of a prosecutor's office, he got rid of all of them. So hopefully you see some of these

00:28:49.260 people come back. And, you know, this will be referred to a juvenile case. The child is 11 years

00:28:54.040 old, so I don't expect anything crazy, but something more serious than what Chesa would have done.

00:29:00.280 Yeah. And I mean, people forget that Chesa's parents were literally communist terrorists.

00:29:04.740 And so he kind of didn't have any hope from a very young age. This is a social justice warrior who

00:29:12.520 doesn't actually believe in any form of justice whatsoever. Go ahead.

00:29:16.620 Cop, cop killing terrorists. They were involved in the Brinks truck robbery. And by the way,

00:29:21.060 pardon, his father pardoned by Andrew Cuomo.

00:29:23.080 Oh, man, it is all connected. OK, let's move a little bit down the state in L.A. I'm interested

00:29:31.240 in what you think about this potential recall of Gascon. I'm not I'm not I'm not sure for the

00:29:38.740 particulars of that. I find California's recall system very weird. Yeah. And all that. But I'm

00:29:43.560 not sure about that. But the specifics of that specific race or anything like that. I haven't

00:29:48.680 looked into it. Yeah, I think he's just another one of those very intensely progressive D.A.s that

00:29:54.920 refuses to charge career criminals and people are dying as a result. There was that one terrible

00:30:03.480 story of like there was a car crash. I think it was like a 14, 15 year old kid who was driving super

00:30:12.340 fast down like an alleyway or through like a back road and hit a mom and her one year old.

00:30:19.900 And of course, it turns out that he should have still been in prison. But Gascon refused to like

00:30:25.900 bring the charges forward. And I think people even like you said, like even in places like L.A.,

00:30:31.380 which are really progressive at the end of the day, you don't want to get shot. Like at the end of the

00:30:35.860 day, you don't want to get murdered. You can have whatever values you can have whatever,

00:30:39.620 you know, progressive utopian ideals in your head. But when the rubber meets the road,

00:30:46.420 you don't want to get murdered. Yeah. And especially in places like New York and L.A.

00:30:52.200 where the the turnaround in the 90s to the early 2000s was so dramatic. Like a lot of people have

00:30:58.120 this vision of of New York City for, you know, the last five years, last 10 years as this hellhole

00:31:03.960 that it is now. And it really was not the case. Like crime was was going down dramatically in in

00:31:11.320 New York and L.A., so much so that when I watch television shows that are featured in certain New

00:31:16.500 York City neighborhoods, I laugh because I'm like, that's the like it used to be when this character

00:31:21.880 was created in the 60s that that was like the mafia controlled area. But I'm like, that's the wealthy

00:31:27.060 gay district now. So it was so much better before in terms of like levels of crime. And now it's just

00:31:33.160 all coming back. Like we're we're we're seeing just a reversal of everything. And it's because people

00:31:38.940 forgot about how bad crime was. And now they're starting to get a taste of it. And I think, you

00:31:44.260 know, if if San Francisco can lose Chesa, then in in Los Angeles, there's definitely a chance. I mean,

00:31:49.960 there's basically a billionaire Republican running with a Democrat mask as the mayor of Los Angeles.

00:31:56.220 So I think they're trying to push in that direction. Yeah, yeah, that's interesting. Did

00:32:01.580 you see George Soros says op ed in the Wall Street Journal about how he's going to continue to fund

00:32:09.180 the progressive D.A.s and how he thinks that, you know, it's a cause for justice?

00:32:15.640 Yeah, well, I haven't seen the op ed specifically. I have heard about it. But yeah, I mean, he has no

00:32:20.360 reason to not do so. He doesn't have to deal with the levels of crime that are going on in this

00:32:24.680 country. Specifically, Philadelphia, they have a horrible D.A. that's funded by Soros. He actually

00:32:29.720 won reelection. So I don't know what's going on over there. But their their murder rate is

00:32:35.200 the or their number of murders is at an all time high, like not not like, oh, after 1997,

00:32:41.940 where crime dropped in the nation and then we have this bump of a new period just all time.

00:32:47.040 The most people ever being murdered in Philadelphia. And I covered a case where a young

00:32:53.180 a young black guy who is he was doing like DoorDash or something like that. His name was Michael

00:32:57.680 White. He said that he interceded in a fight in order to deescalate a situation. He ended up

00:33:04.020 stabbing a guy who was arguing with another person over a parking space. And the district attorney out

00:33:09.460 of Philadelphia, he requested that they downgrade the charges multiple times during the case, which

00:33:15.840 if you're the prosecution, you would think that they're prosecuting. They already undercharged him.

00:33:20.480 And this guy ultimately ended up being found not guilty because, of course, he got found not guilty

00:33:24.980 because the prosecution is not interested in prosecuting the case. And like the only thing

00:33:29.540 he was convicted of was, you know, destroying, attempting to destroy the evidence because that

00:33:34.740 was something that even the district attorney in Philadelphia couldn't deny.

00:33:38.380 Yeah. If you were put in charge today of all of these different districts that are dealing with

00:33:43.920 a high crime because of these progressive policies, like what are the first few things that you

00:33:48.800 would change or reverse immediately? Well, it's hard to do because crime, crime policy or criminal

00:33:55.520 justice intervention should be tailored to the individual cities because what works in New York

00:34:00.000 might not work in Philadelphia. But as a blanket policy, any of these goofy bail reforms, like no way,

00:34:05.920 like we're getting rid of that. Like you're we have these we have these things called judges and they

00:34:12.060 should be able to use judgment. Like we had some absurd maybe over prosecutions with mandatory

00:34:17.940 minimums where they remove judgment from the judges. And then we flipped it the other way.

00:34:22.660 And we're like, well, now the judges can't do anything because we treat them as if they're

00:34:26.460 they're stupid. And, you know, some judges are stupid. But I find that to be commandeering the

00:34:32.360 judiciary branch. So I would let them determine the bail, but also not have all these blanket crimes

00:34:37.800 where you could just get out based on, you know, whatever. I would also I would also depending on

00:34:44.220 the city, like New York City has a lot of policies that were removed under de Blasio. I would restore

00:34:48.660 those policies. And, you know, I would work on different interventions based on the circumstances

00:34:53.720 in the cities that I'm in.

00:34:54.780 What do you say to the point? Because this is always kind of been compelling to me, at least

00:35:09.780 just in theory, when people say, OK, well, bail, it disproportionately punishes like setting a high

00:35:18.580 bail disproportionately punishes poor people. So basically you're depriving them of their liberty

00:35:24.060 before they have actually gone through due process and have been convicted, which some would say is

00:35:31.080 unconstitutional. Like, what do you say to something like that?

00:35:35.020 Well, I do have issues with excessive bail, but like we have to be clear when you get bail,

00:35:41.520 you're only putting up about 10 percent of it. So anytime you see a giant number like that,

00:35:46.240 if you go to a bail bondsman, you're only putting up a small portion of it. I'm fine with lowering the

00:35:51.120 actual dollar amount. But it is important to make sure these people have some skin in the game

00:35:55.300 so that they can return to court. And a lot of a lot of research shows that a community like

00:36:01.360 communal support ends up reducing recidivism rate. And if you know you have to get money from people

00:36:07.560 in your community or in your family in order to get you out of jail, it's at least some skin in the

00:36:13.160 game and some kind of communal structure in order to make sure you show up to your court dates and all

00:36:18.260 that. We have instances where people have bench warrants, which in New York, if you're not showing

00:36:22.720 up for court, you can't even be put on bail or held in captivity, even though you're proven to

00:36:28.400 not show up in court where these people are committing crimes and they've missed like five

00:36:32.040 or six court dates. And then the police will arrest them and they have to release them right away.

00:36:36.140 So you need something. You can lower the amount because you don't want to criminalize poverty

00:36:39.980 or whatever. But in reality, a lot of these people are dangerous and they do reoffend when they get

00:36:46.120 out on the streets. Right. Right. All right. I want to talk. I want to switch gears a little bit

00:36:51.740 and talk about the Innocence Project and specifically a story that you just covered.

00:36:57.640 The 1990 Pompano Beach murder case with Robert Earl Hayes killing Pamela Albertson. Tell us about this

00:37:07.100 case, how the Innocence Project was involved. I believe they were involved. And then what has come of it

00:37:13.060 kind of recently? So the the Robert Earl Hayes case was is one of the earliest in so-called

00:37:20.220 exonerations of a of a convicted person that was put on death row. So he was convicted in the state

00:37:26.440 of Florida of murdering Pamela Albertson, and he was convicted due to a new forensic science that

00:37:32.580 totally proved to be unreliable later, which, of course, was DNA evidence. Now, since it was a

00:37:38.260 rudimentary DNA test, this was challenged on appeal and the Florida court ruled that they could not

00:37:44.700 present the DNA in the way that they presented it. And upon retrial, he was actually found not guilty

00:37:50.480 of the murder of Pamela Albertson. And this is because, again, it was like a very it was I think

00:37:56.880 there's like a typically like if they're matching samples, they do a match on a scale. And this was

00:38:02.940 like a three based on the science. And, you know, now we're looking at a seven to just not get too

00:38:09.200 much into the science. So he's found not guilty. However, it turns out that he was actually guilty

00:38:15.340 of another murder in New York and they reopened this investigation and he was convicted of that.

00:38:22.080 So for years, he's been featured in this play that has turned into a movie called The Exonerated,

00:38:27.680 where they would tell his story of how Florida, you know, obviously racist because, you know,

00:38:32.320 they accused him of killing a white woman and all that and how he had a relationship with her,

00:38:36.580 which is very similar to the Rodney Reed case and and how there was these like white people hairs

00:38:41.520 that were in her hand and they were pointing the finger at this other guy as the actual killer.

00:38:47.920 So fast forward to him being up for parole in the state of New York for the other murder that he's

00:38:53.620 convicted of and the Innocence Project still working the case. And as a way to prove that the system

00:38:58.300 is still biased against him, they decided to retest the previous DNA evidence with modern

00:39:04.120 technology. And instead of exonerating him on the crime that he was found that he ended up beating

00:39:09.640 on appeal, they ended up proving his guilt with modern DNA testing. So one of the original faces

00:39:16.340 of the Innocence Project and the exoneration movement is actually 100 percent guilty.

00:39:21.660 Wow. And have they removed him from like their website or anything they use to try to advertise

00:39:28.780 for their services? Well, they they they try to play flat fast and loose with the facts. So they'll say,

00:39:34.960 oh, well, he said he had a relationship with her before, but he said that he had a sexual

00:39:39.980 relationship with her before the DNA evidence was semen evidence. But he said he hadn't been with her

00:39:45.000 in months. So like, that's not how that's not how semen works. Also, the hairs in the woman's hand

00:39:51.640 were her own hairs. They weren't they weren't they weren't this random person who happened to be

00:39:57.320 unfortunate enough to work in an area where the Innocence Project needed a suspect. So they were

00:40:01.820 basically framing this other guy for this crime. But what's even worse is you actually go through his

00:40:07.920 history. And he he has a history because he was a he was a horse groomer. And the people that he

00:40:14.360 killed were horse groomers and they lived in living quarters near where the horses are.

00:40:18.800 So that's how he had access to these women. So he actually had a history of of harassing,

00:40:24.180 assaulting and attempting to sexually assault these women, which are all the things that he did

00:40:28.500 in this case. And nobody took note of it. And it wasn't able to be presented at trial as a pattern

00:40:34.780 of behavior, even though it's he had previously choked a woman to unconsciousness after he pinned her to

00:40:41.520 the ground. And the homicide he was being accused of was where he strangled a woman to death and

00:40:47.580 sexually assaulted her. So he's committed these exact crimes over and over again. And yet he's

00:40:52.300 presented as this pillar of innocence. And if you dare accuse him, according to the exonerated,

00:40:57.340 then you're just playing into harmful stereotypes of black men being predatory towards white women.

00:41:03.280 So, again, once again, this is groups like the Innocence Project caring more about violent

00:41:10.260 criminals than they do the innocent victims. And we've talked about the Rodney Reed case

00:41:15.520 previously. But could you just give us like a brief summary of that and why it's a very

00:41:22.140 it's a very similar kind of situation with them bending the facts in their favor and in some cases

00:41:27.980 just outright lying? Yes. So Rodney Reed is is a case, I believe, out of Bastion, Texas. I'm not

00:41:35.780 it's out of Texas. He was convicted of murdering Stacey Stites and in the 90s. And they use DNA

00:41:43.520 evidence for the sexual assault in order to connect him to the murder. Now, he's been running this

00:41:48.740 campaign about how he was innocent. And actually, Stacey Stites was his secret girlfriend. And they've

00:41:53.700 been pointing the finger at the fiance of Stites at the time, Jimmy Fennell, who, by the way, is not

00:41:59.020 a good person and committed a horrible crime years later. That's completely unrelated, even though they

00:42:04.480 try to tie it to them. So during the course of of this trial, they are during the course of the of

00:42:10.860 the proceedings, the Innocence Project has alleged all manner of insane conspiracies against different

00:42:16.200 Texas police departments. They've accused a bunch of different people. They just happen to be stuck

00:42:20.560 on this former cop who was the fiance. And they ended up requesting DNA testing, more modern DNA

00:42:27.040 testing of Stites body and her clothing. And they ultimately ended up finding more of Rodney Reed's DNA

00:42:33.900 on her person than they did at trial. So it's another case where they continuously prove this person

00:42:39.500 guilty. And he has a history of sexual assault. And even more insane, he actually beat rape charges

00:42:45.520 years before by claiming that he was in a secret relationship with this woman. But because Texas is

00:42:52.700 so racist, he didn't want to tell anybody at the time. So this is a guy that's definitely guilty.

00:42:57.780 He has about seven victims that he wasn't even tried on, even though they have his DNA tied to it,

00:43:02.480 because in Texas, if you're a death penalty, if you have a death penalty charge, they put you up on

00:43:07.500 the death row case and then they kind of see what the results of that is. And they don't bother trying

00:43:12.800 you because, you know, if you're on death row, what's the point of convicting you? But he also

00:43:16.400 did rape a 12 year old girl. And that is proven by the DNA. Whether or not he's technically convicted

00:43:21.440 of that is an absurdity that he likes to play fast and loose with the facts on. But his semen was found

00:43:27.080 in that girl's body. And of course, the Innocence Project, when they do these like 10 fast facts about

00:43:32.960 the people that they're defending, of course, they don't include any of that. Like one of their points

00:43:37.540 to say that, well, he's definitely not guilty is this case was racially charged, not even

00:43:43.400 allegedly racially charged, but this case was racially charged. And here's their evidence,

00:43:47.800 their evidence that this was racially charged. Rodney, a black man was found guilty of murdering

00:43:52.380 Stacey, a white woman by an all white jury. So I guess is their evidence. Yeah, all white jury is

00:44:00.460 just like the jury was all white. I mean, he's convicted by DNA evidence and all that. But you know,

00:44:04.720 all white jury, just something you throw out there. And what's funny is when the jury's not

00:44:08.200 all white, they'll say almost all white jury because they just want you to know there were

00:44:12.240 white people on the jury and probably race had something to do with this. Right. And they also

00:44:16.860 they do this a lot. They will say that the person and I think this was in the other case that we

00:44:23.000 talked about. And I forget the name of the guy who was convicted of murdering the dad in front of

00:44:29.920 his daughters. Oh, Julius Jones, Julius Jones. So also same kind of deal with the Innocence Project,

00:44:36.140 but they also did this. And this is in the Rodney Reed case. They say that Arthur Snow,

00:44:41.460 who was a former member of the Aryan brother and Jimmy Finnell's prison mate, the guy that they're

00:44:47.460 trying to say, I guess, actually killed Stacey Stites, disclosed that Jimmy had confessed to

00:44:53.240 murdering Stacey, stating, I had to kill my inward loving fiance. Now, maybe that's true.

00:44:59.580 And that could be pertinent information. But it's interesting how they're always willing to

00:45:05.100 rely on the testimony of people in prison who have a lot of times like a history of mental health

00:45:12.440 issues and obviously a history of being dishonest. The same thing happened in the Julius Jones case when

00:45:17.960 they're trying to frame this other guy for killing her. It's crazy. Yeah. And a lot of them have

00:45:23.980 personal vendettas against the prosecutors because they had an issue with them in the past.

00:45:29.040 That was one of the things with Julius Jones, where he had a he had a guy who he was convicted of

00:45:34.380 killing a baby by pouring scalding hot water on it. That was the guy that the Innocence Project

00:45:39.400 dragged out to testify on Jones's behalf. But the federal thing is the same thing. It's it's they

00:45:44.680 it's a high profile case. It gets a ton of attention. And unfortunately, that brings out a

00:45:50.260 bunch of the weirdos like one of the one of the people that they brought out was a woman that worked

00:45:55.220 with Stacey Stites. And she says, oh, yeah, she totally randomly one day because we were really

00:46:00.760 good friends told me that she was having an affair with a black man named Rodney. And I'm coming forward

00:46:06.120 now because I'm trying to save Rodney Reed's life. And it's like, well, wait a minute. At the time

00:46:11.840 they worked at a supermarket called H.E.B. They offered a fifty thousand dollar reward for anybody who had

00:46:18.100 information on who could have been involved in Stacey Stites murder. She didn't come forward at all.

00:46:23.220 They didn't find Rodney Reed for eleven months because they were investigating the fiance the

00:46:27.900 whole time. And the only reason they caught Reed was because he had assaulted two women that fit

00:46:34.580 the same profile of Stacey Stites brunette around, you know, late teens to adult, but like late teens

00:46:40.800 to early 20s in the same exact area that was on her driving route. So, yeah, they'll bring out

00:46:46.600 and all manner of weirdos and goofballs to say, oh, yeah, they totally confessed to me.

00:46:51.180 And coincidentally, their commissary accounts get flooded with money

00:46:55.220 from people who are trying to support them. And then people try to take up their cases no matter

00:46:59.880 how guilty they are. So it's a huge financial incentive for people to do so. And there's

00:47:03.740 almost no consequences for some of these people to come forward.

00:47:07.060 I talked about a lot this Melissa Lucio case. It was out of Texas. It was the mother who has spent

00:47:24.600 time in prison and was on death row for the murder of her daughter. And I looked at all the court

00:47:30.200 transcripts. I looked at the evidence that was brought forward. I looked at the affidavits that

00:47:35.320 were signed by CPS workers. And in my estimation, I agreed with what the jury, the conclusion that

00:47:43.400 they came to, the courts of appeals, the conclusion that they came to about the legitimacy of her

00:47:49.020 original trial. And I was like, yes, it absolutely looks like she murdered her daughter. And actually,

00:47:55.840 one of her other daughters who was alive, while she didn't want her mom to get the death penalty,

00:48:00.240 she was one of the only siblings, one of, I think, 10 children of Melissa Lucio coming out and saying,

00:48:05.940 yes, I am absolutely sure that my mom killed Mariah. She was making these videos on TikTok.

00:48:12.440 And yet we've got the same thing by the Innocence Project. It'd be one thing for the Innocence Project

00:48:17.060 to say, hey, we know that there is evidence that she abused Mariah. I mean, horrific abuse. We're

00:48:23.260 talking about bite marks. We're talking about genital mutilation of this child. We're talking about

00:48:28.100 ripping hair from her scalp, hitting her, pushing her down the stairs, all this stuff that was

00:48:33.060 evidence that she confessed to. But the Innocence Project doesn't even say any of that. The Innocence

00:48:38.100 Project says there's no evidence of abuse. She was coerced into a confession. Don't really say how

00:48:43.300 she was coerced into a confession. She was a good mom, but she was struggling and she was poor and she

00:48:48.360 was also Hispanic. So apparently like that is evidence that it was racism, even though the jury was

00:48:54.760 all Hispanic, probably all Hispanic, too. It's a very largely Hispanic area. But the same thing,

00:48:59.800 they lie, they manipulate the facts. And when I talked about this, I got blowback from people

00:49:05.580 who said that I am the one being like emotional, not looking at the facts. And really, their only

00:49:10.580 evidence is the manipulation of the Innocence Project. I mean, it really makes me mad. It really

00:49:14.960 makes me mad. You did a fantastic job, by the way, in that interview with the state representative

00:49:19.740 that signed on to the Innocence Project. One of my favorite things, watching somebody actually

00:49:23.920 have to stand up for the nonsense that they're pushing. But to your point about the abuse,

00:49:28.080 so they claim she had like a rare disorder that caused bruises. And one of the things that's

00:49:32.540 pointed out by her daughter, Selena, the one that was making the TikTok videos, is that she had

00:49:37.320 imprints of rings in the bruises. So she was being punched by these rings by the mother. And they do

00:49:45.240 things in these cases that are super manipulative. And the representative tried to do it to you,

00:49:50.620 where he said that bite science isn't considered legitimate anymore.

00:49:55.580 And what does that even mean?

00:49:58.000 It is true, but it's not true in the way that it's relevant to this case. So there was a killer

00:50:03.860 called the Snaggletooth Killer, who bit the victim in this case. And they convicted the actual wrong

00:50:10.820 person. And they ended up finding a different guy. And he was convicted on dental imprint evidence.

00:50:15.780 So what we found out is that these people who say, oh, I could look at a bite and tell you which

00:50:20.540 person did the biting, like those people, nonsense, total junk forensic science. And that has been

00:50:26.720 thrown out. However, nobody's alleging that through a dental bite match that Melissa Lucio bit her

00:50:33.360 child. You can see the bite mark. And then she says that she bit her child. So it's not an issue of

00:50:39.960 the forensics or the bite evidence being some, you know, flawed evidence or anything like that.

00:50:44.940 Yet people try to spin that. They tell you these two things and make you think that they're related.

00:50:48.860 When in reality, it's just you can know that somebody was bit by somebody else,

00:50:53.420 even if you can't forensically match it back to the mouth. Like you can know that they have a

00:50:57.880 bite mark on them. And then Melissa admitted to biting her so we could put two and two together

00:51:02.860 and the bite marks on her back. And it's not a normal bruise. So she also had insect bites all over

00:51:08.320 her. There was a Hulu documentary that's actually propaganda for her.

00:51:11.500 Yeah, but they have glimpses of the autopsy photos in there. And you can see why the why the coroner

00:51:18.800 called this the worst case of child abuse that she ever saw in her career. Yeah, it's horrible.

00:51:24.420 And it's not just it wasn't just the coroner. It was also the ER doctor. And he had been the ER

00:51:28.800 doctor for 30 years in that area. And he said, this is the worst case of child abuse that he had

00:51:34.920 ever seen. And so the whole conspiracy by the Innocence Project and everyone, by the way,

00:51:39.860 that supports her innocence in this case, the conspiracy is that the ER doctor and the coroner

00:51:45.960 and the cops and the jury and the prosecutor and the judge were all conspiring together in one big

00:51:54.180 plot to for some reason, like convict this mom of a murder that she did not commit. That is

00:52:02.160 extremely far fetched. And not just that, but also the paramedic, the paramedic that showed up who said

00:52:07.740 who, as far as we know, has no motivation to say this, but who said how odd it was that Mariah was

00:52:13.580 laying at the bottom of the stairs, dead at this point, and that Melissa Lucio, she wasn't holding on

00:52:19.860 to her daughter. She wasn't distressed. She wasn't sad. She was just kind of distant and standing there.

00:52:27.280 I mean, that is also pertinent information. And the characterization that we get of her by the

00:52:33.000 media by Innocence Project is completely different. Also, that Hulu documentary that she mentioned,

00:52:41.420 the Celina, the daughter that was making these TikTok videos, she's sad that the producer,

00:52:47.300 the director of that Hulu documentary reached out to her and purposely excluded any of the testimony

00:52:52.280 that she and another sibling had because it went against the narrative. Because Celina was like,

00:52:57.680 yeah, I was one of the only siblings that was living with her at the time. I was old enough

00:53:02.480 to remember, yes, the abuse happened. Hulu did not want to include that.

00:53:07.740 Yeah, that's the game that they play. They'll bring, so they'll, she has 14 kids, two of them,

00:53:13.280 she was pregnant with twins at some point, like during the trial. She has 14 kids. They drag out

00:53:18.060 the ones that didn't live with her. By the way, they were taken away by CPS because she was

00:53:22.120 neglectful parents and the idea that there was no evidence of maltreatment. She was just this

00:53:27.200 good mother that, you know, the system went after for some reason. So they have, it's not just

00:53:33.280 Celina, it's a, it's a few of the other kids that are old enough have spoken out that they live there

00:53:38.520 at the time and they remember the mom specifically abusing the child at Mariah after they were returned

00:53:47.040 to her from CPS and specifically Mariah of all the children. So, you know, Celina happens to be the

00:53:53.000 one that's doing her TikTok videos and all that. And she's being attacked by people who just got

00:53:58.000 invested because Kim Kardashian hyped it up and people are saying, oh, you're contradicting because

00:54:02.060 you said she wasn't abusive and then she was. And she's like, no, no, she wasn't abusive. We were

00:54:06.920 taken away for neglect. And then when we returned to the house, that's when I saw the abuse of my

00:54:12.280 sister. Yeah. And she thinks her guess is that her mom, which this is obviously not an excuse at all,

00:54:18.740 but she says her mom probably didn't bond with Mariah because when Mariah was an infant,

00:54:25.180 that's when CPS and this was like, I don't know, maybe the 10th visit from CPS because of like

00:54:30.760 neglect. And also she had been like testing positive for drug use while she was supposed to be clean

00:54:35.480 while parenting her kids. But she, they came to, to visit Lucio. Her kids, as you said, were very

00:54:43.060 neglected, very graphic details of like what the kids were suffering from. And then they also found

00:54:49.360 baby Mariah, who was an infant at the time, covered in bug bites, ants, soiled diaper, had obviously just

00:54:57.040 kind of been left there. So Mariah was taken out of the home, returned back to Melissa Lucio. And then

00:55:03.460 that is when, as Celina says, she started abusing the girl that was now two years old. And like,

00:55:11.600 I'm sympathetic to the argument that look, she shouldn't get the death penalty because there's

00:55:16.560 not enough evidence to prove that she intentionally like murdered her. Okay. Maybe she just threw her

00:55:23.000 down the stairs hoping to hurt her. I guess you could just say that. Like I'm sympathetic. Maybe

00:55:28.080 if the Innocence Project and others were saying, okay, she should, uh, this happened and she is guilty

00:55:34.300 of abuse, but she shouldn't get the death penalty because of X, Y, Z. Okay. But when they swing to the

00:55:40.840 direction of saying that she's innocent and I see people who are almost willfully at this point

00:55:47.560 manipulated by these talking points, even people who profess to be conservatives, I mean, that really

00:55:53.440 bothers me. It's, it's not only that she's innocent. It's like the, you know, the bigger the lie, the

00:55:57.880 easier the sell is that she's a great mother. Like, you know, mother should aspire to be like her. And

00:56:02.840 it's, it's, it's just absurd. And the thing is, is I understand not wanting to execute this person

00:56:09.280 or thinking maybe this sentence is too harsh, but the Innocence Project wants to get these people

00:56:13.520 out, make them famous. So then they become multimillionaires off of this and they end up

00:56:19.200 profiting off the crime. And to me, first of all, the idea that you didn't intend to kill a baby when

00:56:24.600 you threw it down the stairs, like that is, you made the conscious decision to throw it down the

00:56:28.680 stairs. If you're too stupid to know that that's probably going to kill the child, then maybe we have

00:56:33.760 like low IQ defense from the death penalty. But Cyntoia Brown was a perfect case of this.

00:56:39.920 This girl was convicted at age 16 of murdering Johnny Allen. And she claimed that it was self

00:56:46.560 defense that he tried to rape her and all that. And they, they, they did this thing where they

00:56:50.820 would cut together her accusing her pimp, who was her boyfriend that she ran away to be with

00:56:56.020 of violence against her. And they kind of pin that on Allen. But in reality, he hired her as a

00:57:02.280 prostitute, not a good thing to do. He thought she was 18, which is what Cyntoia told us because

00:57:07.440 Johnny Allen died. And she shot him in the back of the head while he slept and then robbed him.

00:57:13.040 And they were pretending like she was innocent and she was just defending herself against this rapist.

00:57:18.620 She actually stated multiple times that they didn't have, like she said that she wasn't in the

00:57:23.660 mood to do anything sexual. And he said, fine. And so she shot this guy in the back of the head.

00:57:28.720 They made her out to be the victim. She gets out of prison because she got a long sentence for

00:57:33.420 a young girl. And I would have let her out based on her age at the time. And now she is a bestselling

00:57:38.940 author, even though she's recorded on prison audio calls describing her killing this man as an

00:57:44.680 execution. So she definitely committed this crime. She definitely robbed him. And then she becomes a

00:57:50.840 famous symbol of innocence and becomes wealthy. And that's too much for me to stomach for these cases.

00:57:56.060 Yeah, man, people just don't understand the giant grift in the money making industry that is so

00:58:04.200 many parts of leftism and so many parts of left wing activism. And that's not to say there aren't

00:58:10.100 grifters on the right, like with their own, you know, pet projects where they're trying to like make

00:58:14.500 money off of things, too. But I mean, obviously, we know that these left wing organizations are much

00:58:20.340 better organized, well funded and also glorified by the media in a way that right wing organizations

00:58:27.180 or movements, whatever they may be, are not. I know a lot of people who call themselves conservative

00:58:34.000 Christians who I mean, they might be conservative when it comes to LGBTQ stuff or a variety of things.

00:58:40.860 But when it comes to things that they think they they think the empathetic position is to be like

00:58:47.940 pro bail reform or anti death penalty or anti long sentences in general or open borders,

00:58:55.820 they get really easily sucked in by this stuff by people like the Innocence Project. I think that's

00:59:01.780 why it makes me mad, not just because they're using victims and like using the blood of victims to make

00:59:08.200 money, but also because they're extorting ignorant, emotional people and getting their money from

00:59:14.320 them to fund their causes. That really I mean, that just makes me sad. It sounds like the best

00:59:20.280 cause ever. There are innocent people, which we all know is true to a certain extent, yeah, that are

00:59:24.940 behind bars for crimes they didn't commit. And we want those people out of prison. We actually want

00:59:28.960 those people out of prison who are actually innocent, of course. And the Innocence Project is the one

00:59:33.740 doing that. And they they'll they'll do they count all these different exonerations in order to bolster

00:59:39.620 their numbers. They count if the conviction was reduced to like a life sentence from a death

00:59:44.880 penalty sentence as an exoneration. And a lot of what they actually did for the actually legitimately

00:59:50.840 guilty people to get them out of prison was just taped due DNA testing on rapes and murders

00:59:56.580 that were, you know, the where the semen didn't exist at the or you couldn't test the semen at the time.

01:00:01.980 And that's how they bolster the numbers. So in that regard, they did fine work by testing that

01:00:06.700 old evidence. But in reality, they're just an anti death penalty organization that by any means

01:00:12.320 necessary is going to try to get these people who did commit the crimes or didn't commit the crimes

01:00:17.180 most of the time did out of prison. I think in some ways, maybe not all of them, but I think they

01:00:23.260 might also be anti incarceration in some ways or at least incarceration for a certain group of people

01:00:31.600 that they say are marginalized because that is also a commonality in a lot of the cases they

01:00:38.000 take up is that they are typically black or they're typically Hispanic. And really, that actually seems

01:00:44.620 to be the driving force. It's not innocence. It is their like presupposition, their idea that

01:00:51.740 any kind of any kind of negative treatment or any kind of negative consequence of a black person

01:00:58.940 is racism. And of course, that follows this idea that America is systemically racist. If you believe

01:01:05.900 America is systemically racist, so all of the systems and everyone in it is therefore motivated

01:01:12.080 by racism, then it really doesn't matter whether or not a convicted black person is innocent because

01:01:18.840 you would say that the whole premise was wrong from start to finish because the system is racist. So

01:01:24.540 that I think is really what leads them to these conclusions. They know they can't sell that though

01:01:29.400 to the public because that most people know that that doesn't really make sense.

01:01:32.780 Yeah, most people, if the guy's guilty, they're not going to think of him as the victim. That's one of

01:01:37.420 the reasons why in the self-defense cases, the people get so outraged over this because they can see

01:01:43.460 these videos and they get enraged. But the Innocence Project's advantage is real. They have better

01:01:48.080 storytellers than us. People don't know this, but the Making of a Murderer, Stephen Avery documentary

01:01:53.400 series on Netflix that kind of took the country by storm. That is Innocence Project propaganda.

01:01:58.700 That guy is 100% guilty of that murder.

01:02:01.280 Interesting. See, I watched that a few years ago. I don't remember. Now, I've always kind of been

01:02:07.000 skeptical of those kind of things. I don't remember what my conclusion was after watching it, but you

01:02:10.500 definitely at least feel sympathetic for the guy.

01:02:13.920 Yeah. Oh, yeah. And because he was wrongfully convicted of a crime before, but he did do this

01:02:19.920 crime. And one of the things they leave out of the documentary is that they they accused like

01:02:24.720 blood of being planted and all these other things of being planted at the scene. But all of this

01:02:29.540 woman's bones, including the fragments of her bones, were found on his property. So the idea that

01:02:34.440 the police murdered this woman and then burned her and then transferred 100% of her bones and the

01:02:39.880 pieces to his property is absurd. And they found his sweat DNA on the under latch of her car.

01:02:46.400 He also called her twice with star 69 to lure her to the property and then called and left her a

01:02:53.600 voicemail saying like she never showed up to give him an alibi after he had killed her. And they and

01:03:01.060 then he had later admitted that he was lying about her not showing up to the property. So he wouldn't

01:03:05.480 have needed to give himself an alibi if he didn't kill her. The sweat DNA can't be planted. They don't

01:03:10.400 collect your sweat DNA at any stage of the criminal justice process. So it's ironclad that this guy's

01:03:16.840 guilty. And that but that was a national series. Yeah. And people were demanding that the the governor

01:03:21.740 and his name eludes me at the time, but he won a recall. What's his name? Wisconsin governor.

01:03:27.840 But they were demanding that he give him a pardon. Well, there are a million other cases and a million

01:03:33.180 other things that I could talk to you about. But I do appreciate the work that you do just showing the

01:03:37.700 other side of this. I'm guessing it's not quite as lucrative as the Innocence Project side. And you

01:03:44.040 probably don't get quite as much praise from the media. So where can people support you and the

01:03:49.400 work that you do? I mean, you can support me by following me on Twitter at I am Sean 90 on Instagram

01:03:56.280 at actual justice or at my YouTube channel, actual justice warrior. You can always just watch the

01:04:02.640 videos there, you know, ad revenues is a thing and all that. But you know, there's donation links

01:04:07.460 associated if you are so inclined, but not necessary. Awesome. Well, thank you so much. I

01:04:13.760 really appreciate you taking the time to come on. Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 23, 2022

Ep 665 ｜ Why American Cities Are Dying ｜ Guest： Sean Fitzgerald

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