Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 29, 2022


Ep 668 ｜ No, Jesus Didn’t Die to Pay for Student Loans


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46 minutes

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7,786

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483

Misogynist Sentences

12

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20


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Transcript

00:00:00.000 Biden's student loan debt plan is just like Jesus dying on the cross for our sins.
00:00:05.840 Or that's what we're hearing on social media.
00:00:08.960 But is that really true?
00:00:10.500 No.
00:00:11.260 And I'll explain why.
00:00:13.200 Journalists are being kicked off Twitter for revealing the heinous procedures performed
00:00:17.160 on minors at children's hospitals in the name of gender affirmation.
00:00:22.080 And multimillionaire pop star Lizzo announces that she's oppressed.
00:00:27.680 Very sad.
00:00:28.380 We'll be talking about all of this and more on today's episode of Relatable.
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00:00:51.400 Hey, guys.
00:00:52.380 Welcome to Relatable.
00:00:53.520 Happy Monday.
00:00:54.880 I hope everyone had a wonderful weekend.
00:00:58.380 Last week, we had a lot of wonderful interviews for you.
00:01:02.240 They're doing so well.
00:01:03.480 And that just makes me so happy because they're such important conversations.
00:01:07.100 You loved episode 666 with the cultish guys.
00:01:10.840 And I was cracking up because of the number of comments and messages that I received saying,
00:01:15.700 Oh, my goodness, that's what a coincidence.
00:01:18.220 This is so ironic that episode 666 happens to be about satanic activity and witchcraft.
00:01:25.380 No, guys.
00:01:26.360 Come on.
00:01:26.800 Give me more credit than that.
00:01:27.820 That was purposeful.
00:01:28.760 We planned that.
00:01:30.120 I knew I had episode 666 coming up.
00:01:32.120 So I decided to just lean into it and talk about the demonic.
00:01:36.000 But obviously, from a gospel-centered perspective, and a lot of you were encouraged by that.
00:01:40.680 It was a fascinating conversation.
00:01:42.440 Go back and listen to it.
00:01:43.880 And then you are absolutely loving the conversation with Sophia.
00:01:48.260 And why wouldn't you?
00:01:49.980 Because her story of detransitioning and how Christ found her in the midst of that detransition is amazing.
00:01:56.380 What an incredible testimony of redemption.
00:01:59.000 So please keep watching that.
00:02:00.780 Keep listening to it.
00:02:02.120 Share it with the people that you know, especially the Christians in your life.
00:02:04.900 Share it with your pastor.
00:02:06.680 I've heard from so many of you that you gain so much insight.
00:02:10.520 And we're so enlightened by that conversation.
00:02:14.340 One thing that she said that stuck with me and that stuck with a lot of you as well was,
00:02:21.140 if she had known about Christ, if she had known about the power of His Holy Spirit
00:02:28.200 and how He can make us into something new, make us a new creation, that He can save us,
00:02:34.440 that He can liberate us from sin, if she had known that, she would not have gone through with her transition.
00:02:40.860 And wow, what a good reminder for us Christians who constantly are worried about hurting someone's
00:02:47.680 feelings if we share the truth or having someone hate us or simply just feeling awkward.
00:02:53.460 I mean, I struggle with those fears and with those inhibitions when it comes to sharing the gospel.
00:02:59.600 I think, well, maybe if I'm just nice to someone, maybe if I just smile at them,
00:03:03.100 maybe if I just, you know, give a kind word to them, that's equivalent to sharing the gospel.
00:03:07.460 But that's not what saves.
00:03:09.240 That's not what saves.
00:03:10.200 And we could get a negative reaction in sharing the gospel with someone.
00:03:14.660 Speaking the truth, no matter how loving it is, no matter how gentle you are,
00:03:19.120 could absolutely get a vitriolic reaction from someone who hates the truth.
00:03:26.680 Actually, that's pretty expected in a lot of cases.
00:03:30.020 But that doesn't mean that we are not being obedient.
00:03:33.580 Yet that also doesn't mean that God is not going to use that to plant seeds and then to
00:03:39.320 later bring them to Christ.
00:03:40.960 As you heard in Sophia's testimony, there were so many things before she actually heard the
00:03:46.360 gospel that prepared her to actually receive Christ, to actually believe by grace through
00:03:54.220 faith in what Jesus has done for her on the cross.
00:03:57.320 So that was a lesson that I drew from our conversation.
00:04:01.580 I am still learning a lot from it.
00:04:03.440 So go listen to it or watch it if you haven't already.
00:04:06.300 Also, before we get in to the episode today, just a reminder that tomorrow on the show,
00:04:11.840 we will be playing at the end of it some mom moments.
00:04:15.760 And so we're doing kind of fun segments at the end of each show.
00:04:18.720 And so one of them that I wanted to do was just hear from you guys about encouragement
00:04:24.380 to other moms, a funny moment that you had as a mom, some advice that you have as a seasoned
00:04:31.600 mom or even a new mom.
00:04:33.380 It can be very practical, whether it comes to which diapers you like, or it can be more
00:04:39.840 spiritual and more profound than that.
00:04:41.680 So call, leave a voicemail 682-503-1369.
00:04:46.000 Try to keep it as concise as possible.
00:04:48.160 We'll play a few tomorrow that 682-503-1369.
00:04:53.980 All right, let's get into this Biden student loan debt plan.
00:04:58.840 And I specifically want to focus on the arguments that are being put forth by professing Christians
00:05:06.080 saying that it is a gospel position.
00:05:08.880 It is a biblical position.
00:05:10.340 It is a Christian position to be for Biden's student loan debt plan.
00:05:15.660 Now, we could get into all of the intricacies, all of the complexities of this plan and of
00:05:20.980 the student loan process.
00:05:23.860 I am not going to get too in-depth on those things today because there are a lot of commentators,
00:05:30.460 a lot of people that have already given a very thorough explanation of what the process
00:05:36.800 looks like.
00:05:37.360 I think I'll cover that a little bit and tell you a little bit about Biden's plan.
00:05:40.400 But I specifically want to focus on this argument that it is necessarily Christian and biblical
00:05:49.220 to support Biden's student loan debt plan.
00:05:53.140 So first, let me tell you what it is in general.
00:05:56.220 Now, this is according to USA Today on Wednesday, August 24th, Biden issued an executive order
00:06:01.580 canceling at least $10,000 in student loan debt for individuals making $125,000 or less.
00:06:13.540 Families or heads of households making $250,000 or less.
00:06:17.080 Also, $20,000 in cancellation or forgiveness, so-called, for anyone who received a Pell grant
00:06:24.300 during college.
00:06:26.720 And so individuals making up to $125,000, families, heads of households making $250,000
00:06:32.380 or less.
00:06:33.340 So these are not necessarily poor people.
00:06:35.920 Now, of course, depending on where you live, like $125,000 may not get you very far if you
00:06:41.720 live in L.A. versus living in, I don't know, El Dorado, Arkansas.
00:06:48.560 But I mean, we're not talking about exclusively impoverished people.
00:06:53.380 We are talking about, in a lot of cases, people who can pay off their debts, but they're choosing
00:06:58.780 not to.
00:06:59.520 They're choosing to put their money elsewhere or they haven't.
00:07:02.240 Of course, that's not the case for all people who have taken out student loans.
00:07:06.680 But for a lot of the people who are going to qualify for this so-called student loan forgiveness,
00:07:10.680 we are talking about people who probably, who in a lot of cases, make more money than those
00:07:16.920 who, through their taxes, are going to be paying off these loans.
00:07:21.240 Here's what President Biden said when he announced this last Wednesday.
00:07:25.200 That ticket has become too expensive for too many Americans.
00:07:27.660 The burden is so heavy that even if you graduate, you might not have the ticket that graduating
00:07:32.460 college once offered.
00:07:35.780 There are a lot of Democrats who say that this doesn't go far enough.
00:07:38.920 There needs to be complete and total cancellation.
00:07:41.260 Of course, there are a lot of Republicans, a lot of conservatives who are pushing back against
00:07:46.980 this.
00:07:47.920 One, because of the cost.
00:07:49.440 The White House says that the student loan plans cost will be $240 billion.
00:07:55.600 And according to USA Today, experts say it will actually be twice that.
00:08:01.640 So this is going to cost Americans a lot of money.
00:08:05.100 Now, the vast majority of Americans do not have student loan debt.
00:08:10.140 And according to the Washington Post, who is actually citing the Brookings Institute, the
00:08:16.520 vast majority of people who are going to benefit from the student loan debt plan are part of
00:08:22.640 the top income brackets in the United States.
00:08:25.880 So the top 60% of income earners in the U.S. will be the ones who benefit most from this student
00:08:35.120 loan debt plan.
00:08:36.400 So again, we are not talking about a plan that is necessarily going to focus on helping those
00:08:42.700 who are struggling.
00:08:44.220 It's actually going to help people who have some of the greatest income trajectories because
00:08:51.500 half of all student loan debt is held by people who went to graduate school.
00:08:56.520 That's also according to the Brookings Institute.
00:08:58.960 And according to the Brookings Institute, they have the greatest trajectory when it comes to
00:09:03.220 income earnings.
00:09:04.440 So what we're looking at is a transfer of wealth from the working class to the elite, if you want
00:09:12.980 to call them that, to people who went to graduate school.
00:09:15.180 So you're looking at a transfer of wealth from people who chose not to go to college in a lot
00:09:22.100 of cases or who paid off their debts.
00:09:24.340 Maybe they've worked hard over the past 15 to 20 years to ensure that they no longer had student
00:09:31.020 loan debt, or maybe they decided they didn't want to go into debt in the first place.
00:09:34.560 And so they decided to become a plumber or an electrician, make good money that way.
00:09:39.280 Now, through this plan, they are going to be paying partly for the loans of people who
00:09:45.820 went to college and who went to graduate school, who in many cases are making more money than
00:09:51.960 the people who are now going to be forced to pay off those loans.
00:09:55.860 And that's really the main problem, or one of the main problems with this, is that student
00:10:02.140 loan forgiveness or student loan cancellation is really a misnomer because it's not cancellation,
00:10:07.160 it's not forgiveness, it's not that the debt is just going away, it's just being paid for
00:10:12.920 by the taxpayer.
00:10:15.360 So people who decided to go to college, who decided to go to grad school, they willingly
00:10:20.300 signed a dotted line and said, I will take out this loan with the full intention of paying
00:10:26.360 it back.
00:10:27.780 And now they are saying, well, I don't have the intention to pay it back, now I want someone
00:10:31.700 else to pay this loan for me.
00:10:34.240 And not just to voluntarily pay the loan, but to be forced by the government to pay this
00:10:39.040 loan.
00:10:39.360 So of course, that is why people, one of the reasons why people have a problem with this.
00:10:45.200 Now, the other reason why people have a huge problem with this is because it doesn't actually
00:10:49.740 lower the cost of college.
00:10:51.680 I am for getting people out of debt.
00:10:54.380 I would like for people to not be in hundreds of thousands of dollars or even tens of thousands
00:10:58.880 of dollars in debt because of college or because of grad school.
00:11:03.740 I would love for people to be able to afford to go to college without having to give up an arm
00:11:10.580 and a leg.
00:11:11.480 That means that the cost of college has to go down.
00:11:14.780 But the government subsidizing college and giving out these student loans without any limitation,
00:11:21.840 without any thought to whether or not the person who is taking out these loans can actually
00:11:26.240 pay them back, that makes the problem worse because that means that universities, even
00:11:31.780 universities with huge endowments, can keep on raising the cost of tuition because people
00:11:38.660 are still going to go.
00:11:39.620 They're just going to go to the federal government, who is the number one lender of student loans,
00:11:43.740 and say, hey, I need X amount of money.
00:11:46.260 Can you give it to me?
00:11:47.420 The federal government says yes.
00:11:49.180 And so they turn around and they go to Harvard or they go to an expensive college without even
00:11:55.840 really having to think about the tuition that they're paying because, of course, they have
00:12:00.960 been given a loan by the government.
00:12:03.740 And so the colleges just keep on raising the price of college.
00:12:09.360 That is the problem.
00:12:10.780 That's why this is a vicious cycle.
00:12:12.460 That's why this is really a scam.
00:12:14.120 That's why this is unfair for people who didn't take out student loans, who have already paid
00:12:18.960 back their student loans, who are now being forced to transfer their wealth to people
00:12:24.020 who, in many cases, make more money than they do or who will make more money than they do.
00:12:30.280 So that's just the general gist of the problem with student loans in general.
00:12:36.000 I mean, I have a lot of I mean, I don't blame people who took out student loans.
00:12:40.700 I think a lot of the characterization of people who took out student loans by conservatives is,
00:12:45.100 you know, only these like blue haired liberals who decided to major in like, I don't know,
00:12:53.600 theater something.
00:12:56.840 I was trying to think of something super obscure, like, I don't know, interpretive taxidermy or
00:13:01.500 something like that.
00:13:03.260 Yeah, my you can't hear them.
00:13:05.580 But my crew back there is talking about majoring in lesbian dance theory or theater.
00:13:11.100 Theater anyway, so I don't think that that's all I don't think that that accounts for everyone
00:13:18.020 who takes out student loans.
00:13:19.220 There are conservatives who take out student loans who had to go to college for very good
00:13:23.680 reason, who are very productive people, and they are trying to provide for for their families.
00:13:31.200 And so I don't want to malign everyone who took out student loans as ignorant or wrong or
00:13:37.700 immoral or irresponsible, because I don't think that's the case for everyone who takes
00:13:42.120 out student loans.
00:13:43.820 I do, however, think that it is right to pay a loan back when you have taken it out and
00:13:51.400 when you have promised that you will pay it back.
00:13:54.520 So that kind of in general, that's a very kind of big picture, just skimming the surface
00:14:01.740 summary of some of my just practical issues with student loan debt.
00:14:07.220 Politically, I mean, it's a good move by Biden.
00:14:09.820 I know some people are saying that it's cynical, but this is something that is serving his base.
00:14:14.540 This is something that the people that voted for him want.
00:14:18.280 Now, it is unconstitutional for the president to go around Congress and to enact something
00:14:25.500 like this.
00:14:26.760 But like this is politics.
00:14:28.980 Politics is transactional.
00:14:31.340 Politics is, hey, you voted for me.
00:14:33.480 Now I'm going to do whatever I can do to give you what you say that you want.
00:14:38.380 Republicans don't seem to understand that at all.
00:14:40.660 Democrats seem to understand that a lot better.
00:14:42.740 So I don't really blame President Biden, even though I don't agree with this move.
00:14:47.340 I don't think it solves the problem.
00:14:48.640 I think it's unconstitutional.
00:14:50.360 I don't disagree with the politics behind it, the political principle behind it.
00:14:54.440 Yes, it's transactional.
00:14:55.500 Sure, you can say it cynical, but it's actually good politics to give your base, to give your
00:15:01.320 voters something that they want right before the midterms.
00:15:04.780 People are saying, oh, they're just he's just buying votes.
00:15:07.760 Yeah, that's part of politics.
00:15:10.340 You buy votes.
00:15:11.800 You do you do things that your base likes in order to get them to vote for you.
00:15:16.660 I mean, that is part of why our system works.
00:15:19.100 We're supposed to vote for people who will represent us and then we'll do the things that
00:15:23.500 we want them to do.
00:15:25.100 Again, I think Democrats understand that much better than Republicans understand that.
00:15:30.060 All right.
00:15:41.240 So you've probably seen this meme go around.
00:15:43.240 I posted about it on Instagram and I don't know who originally said it or else I would
00:15:47.620 give this silly person credit.
00:15:49.380 If you're a Christian and you're big mad about the possibility of student loan debt being
00:15:53.700 canceled, let me remind you that the entirety of your faith is built upon a debt you couldn't
00:15:57.780 pay for pay that someone stepped in and paid for you.
00:16:02.540 John Pavlovitz, who is maybe the silliest person on Twitter, he wrote this book called If God
00:16:11.560 is Love, Don't Be a Jerk.
00:16:12.860 And he's probably the most arrogant jerk on Twitter and continually shows his total lack
00:16:21.120 of understanding of scripture and the gospel at all.
00:16:23.740 I would not like I am not the ultimate arbiter of who is a Christian who is not.
00:16:28.460 Thank God.
00:16:28.960 I do not bear that burden.
00:16:30.700 But judging from the fruit of this person, it would be very hard to believe that he is
00:16:35.300 a follower of Christ, just based on the fact that he believes everything that you're like
00:16:39.820 average atheist does about morality and cultural and social issues.
00:16:44.320 But he also argues this.
00:16:46.160 He says conservative Christians are fully enraged at student loan forgiveness, missing the irony
00:16:50.060 that their entire professed religion is based on the idea of a canceled debt.
00:16:55.520 So really, he just kind of took that from the viral meme and tried to make it his own.
00:17:00.980 He also then followed up with a tweet saying that this is like Israel's year of jubilee.
00:17:07.840 The year of jubilee in ancient Israel was a celebration that occurred every 50 years.
00:17:12.040 Some people are saying that it was every seven years was not every seven years.
00:17:15.020 That's a sabbatical year, which was similar, but not the same.
00:17:20.160 So jubilee every 50 years in which God requires people to absolve all debts to free prisoners,
00:17:26.180 release slaves, VeggieTales creator, podcaster, and podcaster Phil Vischer also seems to agree
00:17:33.240 with that take.
00:17:34.240 There were several iterations of these kinds of arguments on Twitter from Christians saying,
00:17:39.500 you know, this is basically the entirety of Christianity.
00:17:42.900 And so, of course, you have to support student loan debts.
00:17:45.140 Those Christian conservatives, they're just selfish.
00:17:47.520 They just don't want to help people out.
00:17:49.000 This is basically the gospel.
00:17:51.180 But these comparisons show a total misunderstanding of both scripture, even the gospel itself,
00:17:56.700 and what student loan debt forgiveness is, which, as we already explained, is the forced
00:18:02.440 transfer of wealth from one group to another.
00:18:05.620 That is not what the gospel is.
00:18:07.620 In the gospel, Jesus, God made flesh, voluntarily paid our debt, which is our sin, on our behalf through
00:18:15.520 his death on a cross.
00:18:16.460 And this is what Colossians 2, 13 through 14 says.
00:18:19.840 God made us alive together with him, canceling the record of debt that stood against us with
00:18:25.980 its legal demands.
00:18:27.520 How did he cancel that?
00:18:28.900 It didn't just go away.
00:18:30.060 He satisfied that demand.
00:18:32.340 He paid that price that we could not pay.
00:18:36.880 And that is another key difference.
00:18:38.340 Not just voluntary versus forcible, voluntary by Christ and forcible when it comes to student
00:18:45.860 loans in that we are being made by the governments to pay these debts.
00:18:50.300 But also, Jesus paid a debt that we could not pay, that we are totally incapable of paying
00:18:56.480 on our own.
00:18:57.440 In the case of student loan debt, the government is forcing other people to pay for debts that
00:19:02.020 the debtors, in many cases, can pay, but they won't pay or they have not paid.
00:19:08.720 Also, if our basis for debt cancellation, for student loan debt cancellation, is the fact
00:19:16.040 that Jesus died on the cross and paid for our sins or the year of Jubilee in which ancient
00:19:22.980 Israel, they absolved debts every 50 years.
00:19:26.060 If that's the basis, then we should be canceling all debts, including mortgages.
00:19:31.480 Now, how would that work?
00:19:32.560 Tell us how that would work economically.
00:19:34.920 Why does this biblical argument or argument, you know, based on a misunderstanding of scripture,
00:19:43.380 why does that only apply to student loan debt?
00:19:45.420 Does that apply to all debt?
00:19:47.500 Tell me, like, how economically it would work if all mortgages, for example, were canceled.
00:19:53.440 How would it work if all student loan debt, all student loan debt, was canceled and was
00:19:59.500 paid for by the taxpayer?
00:20:02.960 Now, the Bible does speak to debts, but not in the way that a lot of these professing Christians
00:20:09.280 on Twitter believe that it does.
00:20:11.520 Psalm 37.1 condemns refusing to pay back debts as wicked.
00:20:16.360 Proverbs 22.7 says that the borrower is a slave to the lender.
00:20:20.520 However, Paul instructs Christians in Romans 13.8 to owe no one anything except love.
00:20:28.120 The forced transfer of debts also is not the generosity to which Christians are called.
00:20:33.500 You see this a lot from the left, that if you're a generous person, if you're a compassionate
00:20:37.980 person, then you should be for wealth redistribution.
00:20:42.220 You should be for transferring wealth from one group to another.
00:20:45.660 You should be for the expansion of social programs, because look at the early church.
00:20:51.060 They were so generous.
00:20:52.080 Christians call us to—or Christ called us to generosity.
00:20:55.100 We're supposed to care for the poor.
00:20:56.900 They are constantly confusing government-mandated programs and the voluntary generosity and
00:21:06.700 compassion to which Christians are called.
00:21:08.720 Now, that doesn't mean that I am against every government program.
00:21:12.000 That doesn't mean that I am against the government ever helping the impoverished, but I can be
00:21:18.880 for some effective or efficient programs that help people who truly need it and also understand
00:21:26.300 that that is not the same thing as the Christian obedience that God calls us to.
00:21:32.980 We should pay our taxes.
00:21:35.160 That is something that I believe is obedient.
00:21:37.720 Matthew 22, 21 speaks to that when Jesus says, render to Caesar what is Caesar's.
00:21:44.480 But we also know that the giving that honors God is done cheerfully and is not done under
00:21:50.660 compulsion, but is done voluntarily.
00:21:53.420 2 Corinthians 9, 7.
00:21:54.900 That means that taxation does not count as Christian compassion.
00:21:59.400 Christians are also called to work diligently to provide for themselves and for those around
00:22:05.640 them.
00:22:06.020 He who does not work or who does not but will not work, who can work but chooses not to
00:22:13.280 and chooses to sit in idleness shall not eat.
00:22:16.680 2 Thessalonians 3, 10.
00:22:18.520 Ephesians 4, 27 says, let the thief no longer steal, but rather let them labor so they are willing
00:22:25.360 to provide for themselves and for those in need.
00:22:28.180 And so the Bible does speak to how we are to handle money.
00:22:31.800 The Bible does speak to financial generosity.
00:22:34.980 The Bible does speak to debts, but never in the way that professing Christians who typically
00:22:41.360 identify as progressive Christians say that it does.
00:22:44.940 Now, God did forbid Israelites from charging interest on loans when the debtor is impoverished.
00:22:49.740 You see that in Leviticus 25, 35 through 38.
00:22:52.820 And a lot of people point out, as we kind of mentioned a few minutes ago, that the student
00:22:57.040 loan process is a scam, that it's predatory, that it's unfair, that it's unjust in many
00:23:01.180 ways, as both the government and universities work together to convince sometimes poor borrowers
00:23:07.000 to take out more than they can pay back.
00:23:08.860 And I agree with this.
00:23:10.420 This is largely true.
00:23:11.540 But as I've already mentioned, the transfer of student loan debts doesn't even begin to
00:23:18.100 solve something like this.
00:23:19.640 The federal government is the biggest lender of these student loans, and Congress eliminated
00:23:25.160 limits on borrowing for college and graduate school in the 90s and the early 2000s.
00:23:30.340 And so that is part of what caused this problem.
00:23:32.500 If you want to address this, like if you really want to alleviate this burden on people, maybe
00:23:36.820 they were 17 years old, maybe they didn't have parental guidance, maybe they've just
00:23:41.380 been hit with one crisis after another, and they're just unable to get ahead and to get
00:23:46.180 out of debt because of interest rates and everything that comes with taking out student loans and
00:23:51.200 paying them back, if you really want to help those people so they can finally get their head
00:23:55.500 above water, simply offering them $10,000 of someone else's money is not going to solve
00:24:03.100 the problem, it doesn't actually get to the root, which as we've already explained, is
00:24:08.320 that as you subsidize college, those colleges are going to keep raising tuition because they
00:24:13.620 can.
00:24:14.280 We should also be trying to cultivate a culture, an economy in which it is not necessary to
00:24:20.980 have a degree, which is sometimes completely pointless.
00:24:23.800 It's just kind of empty credentialism in some cases.
00:24:27.000 We should be cultivating an economy in which skills are more enviable or more desirable
00:24:37.340 than a pointless degree.
00:24:40.220 I'm not saying all degrees are pointless.
00:24:41.760 I'm thankful for my degree.
00:24:42.900 I don't know if it's necessary in doing what I do.
00:24:45.680 I'm thankful for my college experience.
00:24:48.280 Obviously, some degrees are important, but not all degrees are.
00:24:51.620 Sometimes people can do what they want to do and really make good money and follow their
00:24:55.960 passions by not going to college, by starting a business, by going to trade school, by going
00:25:00.420 to community college, junior college.
00:25:03.840 Also, young people need to be taught about financial competence.
00:25:07.340 So if you're really compassionate, if you really want to alleviate the burden of debt
00:25:12.000 on young people and on truly impoverished, vulnerable people, which, by the way, a family
00:25:17.960 making $250,000 a year does not qualify as being in that category.
00:25:23.280 Like, if you really want to help people and you truly are compassionate, one, there's
00:25:27.320 nothing stopping you right now from taking out your wallet and paying off the debts of
00:25:31.900 someone else.
00:25:32.740 Like, you can start that fund at your church.
00:25:34.660 You can start a GoFundMe.
00:25:36.000 If you want to really be compassionate and really show that you care for these people,
00:25:42.540 then don't wait for the government to tell you to do it.
00:25:45.260 Do it voluntarily.
00:25:46.120 Also, if you really want to help these people, we get to the root of the problem.
00:25:53.860 We get to the root of the problem, which is big government and big universities colluding
00:25:58.220 together to scam people into taking out more than they can pay back.
00:26:05.180 So once again, progressive Christianity basically is based on memes.
00:26:08.760 Like, it's basically based on, like, a meme-level understanding of Scripture and emotionalism and
00:26:19.060 things that really have no substance and have no correlation with Scripture whatsoever, but
00:26:23.620 pull on your heartstrings and really sound good.
00:26:26.600 It's based on forms of propaganda.
00:26:30.000 And I understand as people who want to be compassionate, who want to be seen as empathetic, that it's
00:26:34.840 really easy for us to get sucked into that, but we have to think a little more deeply about
00:26:40.300 this.
00:26:40.620 Really, it's kind of spiritual extortion.
00:26:42.860 Like, if you don't agree with this, like, obscure policy or program, if you don't believe
00:26:48.180 in the unfettered growth of the government who uses the pretense of helping the poor in
00:26:52.720 order to gain more power, then you're not really a good Christian.
00:26:56.240 Also, let me just point out the irony that so many of these people, like, so many of these
00:27:02.400 professing progressive Christians, they call Christian conservatives, Christian nationalists
00:27:09.020 every time we use the Bible to support our policy positions.
00:27:12.960 Like, if I say, hey, look, the Bible says do not murder.
00:27:16.340 The Bible says that God created us, knit us together in our mother's womb.
00:27:20.000 Therefore, I'm against abortion.
00:27:22.320 They'll say, oh, no, that's Christian nationalism.
00:27:25.020 That's Christian nationalism.
00:27:26.780 You just want a theocracy.
00:27:28.260 But they are never afraid to use the Bible, to misuse and abuse the Bible, decontextualize
00:27:35.380 the Bible to support their policy positions.
00:27:38.180 They'll say that loving the foreigner means that we should have open borders.
00:27:41.140 They'll say that the early church's generosity means that we should have socialism.
00:27:45.800 They'll use and abuse and misuse all kinds of verses in order to support their policy positions.
00:27:50.820 But when Christian conservatives actually use scripture, even in context, to say, this is
00:27:56.260 why I believe what I believe about policy, they'll call that scary Christian nationalism,
00:28:01.280 Christo fascism.
00:28:02.600 What they're actually against is conservatism.
00:28:05.940 That's what they're against.
00:28:06.760 And they should just be open about that.
00:28:08.680 They should just say, look, yeah, we're OK with using the Bible to support policy positions,
00:28:12.240 but only ours.
00:28:13.340 Just be open and honest.
00:28:14.400 But they're not.
00:28:15.140 They're not.
00:28:15.560 And that's how they get you.
00:28:27.240 All right.
00:28:28.300 I want to briefly talk about what's happening with libs of TikTok.
00:28:32.080 So this is a Twitter account.
00:28:33.540 It's got like 1.3 million followers.
00:28:35.540 We've talked about them a lot.
00:28:37.800 And she has been revealing the policies, the procedures going on at different children's
00:28:44.300 hospitals across the country.
00:28:45.640 Now, she's not the only one.
00:28:46.880 You've also got Billboard, Chris.
00:28:48.940 You've got Christina Buttons.
00:28:50.060 You've got Colin White.
00:28:51.360 You've got you've got a lot of different journalists out there.
00:28:54.500 Christopher Rufo, who have been revealing the publicly available information coming out of
00:29:00.120 children's hospitals about procedures that are being performed on minors.
00:29:05.520 We're talking about hysterectomies.
00:29:07.020 We're talking about mastectomies.
00:29:10.240 We're talking about castration, phalloplasty, where you construct a fake penis on a girl
00:29:16.380 who thinks she's a boy using the using the skin from her forearm or the skin from her thigh
00:29:23.320 vaginoplasties, which, of course, requires castration and then trying to form some kind
00:29:30.540 of vagina out of the skin there.
00:29:33.200 I know it's horrific to even hear about.
00:29:35.100 But we need to understand this is happening in this country and not just to consenting
00:29:40.280 adults.
00:29:40.620 But we're talking about minors, minors who are confused, minors who are very often mentally
00:29:45.040 ill, minors who are very often on the autism spectrum.
00:29:48.820 This is happening in this country every year.
00:29:51.760 And there are several journalists who have been revealing this, who have been talking about
00:29:56.960 this to try to sound the alarm that, hey, this is happening.
00:30:00.820 Matt Walsh, of course, is another one who has been talking a lot about this.
00:30:04.880 Libs of TikTok recently published an audio recording, a conversation between her and a representative
00:30:11.280 from Children's National Hospital in Washington, D.C.
00:30:14.780 And the representative from this hospital seems to admit in this phone call that, yes, they
00:30:22.260 are performing hysterectomies on 16 year old girls who are confused about their gender,
00:30:27.620 what they would call, quote unquote, gender affirming hysterectomies, which is just the
00:30:31.660 most Orwellian and wicked phrase that I can even think of on 16 year old girls and younger.
00:30:38.340 So here's a little bit of that conversation.
00:30:40.160 It depends.
00:30:41.640 Each department is different.
00:30:42.720 Some departments cut off at 18.
00:30:44.240 How old is your patient?
00:30:45.740 16.
00:30:47.860 OK.
00:30:48.420 All right.
00:30:48.720 So they're in the clear.
00:30:50.060 OK.
00:30:50.740 So they would do it for that age?
00:30:56.660 Yes.
00:30:59.100 OK, great.
00:31:00.320 Is it a common procedure that you guys do for that age?
00:31:06.580 Yes.
00:31:07.100 Um, we have, um, all different type of age groups that comes in for that.
00:31:11.860 For the gender, for the hysterectomy?
00:31:15.280 Yes, ma'am.
00:31:16.280 OK.
00:31:17.260 Just out of curiosity, do you know, like, what's the youngest age you would do it on?
00:31:21.960 I'm not sure, but I have seen younger kids.
00:31:25.400 And I'm not, you know, either hip, I'm not allowed to say that, but I have seen younger
00:31:29.180 kids, like, younger than your child.
00:31:31.800 OK.
00:31:32.480 The gender affirming hysterectomy surgery?
00:31:36.020 Yes.
00:31:37.800 Uh, you can kind of tell, or it seems like to me that the hospital representative was
00:31:42.240 a little bit reticent to actually admit that.
00:31:45.420 But lives of TikTok got this on tape.
00:31:48.280 And this is, of course, not the only hospital that is engaging in this kind of atrocity.
00:31:53.260 I mean, we've seen, and this is, like, publicly available information that journalists are just
00:31:57.620 going to the website, taking screenshots or, like, recording the videos that these hospitals
00:32:01.700 have put out and then putting them online.
00:32:04.400 I mean, we're talking about Boston Children's Hospital.
00:32:06.680 We're talking about Kaiser Permanente in Oakland, California, Seattle Children's Hospital.
00:32:12.200 There are several hospitals across the country that are performing these kinds of procedures
00:32:17.300 as young as we have heard them admit, like 16, 17 years old.
00:32:22.420 But who knows?
00:32:23.300 Who knows how young?
00:32:24.500 At Kaiser Permanente, there was a psychologist who admitted that they were doing a double mastectomy
00:32:28.580 on girls as young as 12, 12 years old.
00:32:32.180 And so what has the reaction been from the left and the mainstream media to lives of TikTok
00:32:37.740 and others revealing this?
00:32:39.840 Has it been, wow, this is such an atrocity because this is a Nazi-level experimentation on
00:32:47.540 children?
00:32:48.720 Wow, we need to stop this.
00:32:50.240 There needs to be some accountability about this.
00:32:52.400 Should we pump the brakes?
00:32:53.420 Should there be more transparency?
00:32:55.020 No, it, of course, has been to attack libs of TikTok and the other journalists for revealing
00:33:01.700 this.
00:33:02.080 So the atrocity, according to the media, according to places like NPR and The Washington Post,
00:33:07.680 is not that little girls are getting their uterus and their fallopian tubes and their ovaries
00:33:13.780 removed before they're even at an age where they can begin to understand the implications
00:33:20.620 of that.
00:33:21.400 That's not the atrocity.
00:33:22.660 Not that we're butchering young kids who are very often autistic.
00:33:26.100 The atrocity is that people are talking about it.
00:33:29.120 So what has happened to libs of TikTok?
00:33:30.940 She has now been locked.
00:33:32.300 She has been suspended out of Twitter because she dared to notice and allowed other people
00:33:39.020 to notice the absolute nightmare that is happening at our children's hospitals across the country.
00:33:44.640 Here's how The Washington Post reports this.
00:33:47.000 Children's hospital threatened after libs of TikTok recording on trans hysterectomies.
00:33:52.120 Children's National Hospital has been inundated with threatening emails and phone calls after an
00:33:56.160 influential right wing Twitter account published a recording that falsely suggested the hospital's
00:34:00.580 performing hysterectomies on transgender children.
00:34:04.580 Falsely.
00:34:05.460 So even though libs of TikTok says that she has this on record, they just say, no, this is not true.
00:34:12.640 And Washington Post, the journalist, his name is Pete Jameson.
00:34:16.040 He reached out to libs of TikTok for a comment.
00:34:19.120 She responded 12 minutes later, but he already published the piece without getting her comment.
00:34:25.160 And NPR also also reported on this saying children's hospitals are the latest target of anti-LGBTQ harassment.
00:34:34.380 Is that not a tell?
00:34:36.260 Is that not a tell that it is apparently anti-LGBTQ to be against the genital mutilation of children?
00:34:44.080 There is no data, by the way, no actual data that shows that removing the healthy breasts
00:34:50.340 and the uteruses and the penises and the testicles of young people who are confused about their
00:34:55.980 gender actually helps their mental health.
00:34:58.920 Actually, it works.
00:34:59.980 I guarantee you it worsens it.
00:35:02.080 Actually, there was a study out of Sweden a few years ago that followed people who went
00:35:06.940 through these gender reassignment surgeries for the next decade or so after their surgery
00:35:14.660 and they found that they were 20 times more likely to commit suicide than the rest of the
00:35:19.700 population.
00:35:20.900 I mean, Sweden is a very accepting place.
00:35:23.000 It's a very progressive place.
00:35:24.300 So you can't just say it's because they got bullied.
00:35:26.940 No, that's because this is not solving the problems, the mental health issues that they have.
00:35:31.780 As Sophia told us last week, like she was a depressed girl.
00:35:35.960 She had other problems.
00:35:37.260 She had a past that she hadn't really dealt with.
00:35:39.420 She had trauma that she was working through or really refusing to work through.
00:35:45.580 She was trying to kind of cope using drugs.
00:35:49.200 And the psychologist, the endocrinologist, the surgeon, none of them stopped to really say,
00:35:55.020 hey, maybe we shouldn't go through with this.
00:35:56.860 Maybe wait a couple of years and let's kind of work through the other issues that they have.
00:36:00.380 So that is happening to young teenagers across the country.
00:36:05.180 Of course, once they realize that they've made a mistake and that they cannot get their
00:36:09.200 body back, they cannot get their fertility back.
00:36:11.960 They cannot get the feeling back in their crotch or in their breasts.
00:36:15.360 Or even if they can get pregnant because they haven't had a hysterectomy, they'll never be
00:36:18.720 able to breastfeed their baby.
00:36:19.880 Things that you cannot even fathom when you're 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19 years old.
00:36:26.600 You can't fathom the consequences of that and the pain that that's going to cause.
00:36:31.420 Like, who else is going to stand up for these kids except for us adults, except for the journalists
00:36:36.720 and the journalists who are standing up for them are getting canceled.
00:36:40.160 They're getting censored.
00:36:41.560 They're being maligned by the media.
00:36:44.540 NPR says children's hospitals in Boston, Seattle, Chicago, Portland have claimed that they have
00:36:49.100 been targeted by hostile and threatening phone calls and emails.
00:36:52.220 So again, the story here is that these is that these doctors are scared, that these doctors
00:37:00.480 are getting harassed, not that they are performing these atrocities on kids.
00:37:04.120 It is a war on noticing.
00:37:06.920 You were not supposed to notice.
00:37:08.840 You were not supposed to notice that they were performing these genital mutilation procedures
00:37:13.880 on kids.
00:37:14.760 You were not supposed to notice that young children are getting puberty blockers and young teenagers
00:37:20.540 are getting cross-sex hormones.
00:37:21.860 You weren't supposed to notice that 12-year-olds are getting their healthy breasts cut off.
00:37:25.020 You weren't supposed to notice that 16- and 17-year-olds are getting their healthy uteruses
00:37:28.460 removed.
00:37:29.320 You weren't supposed to notice that these things are actually leading to suicide and not
00:37:34.780 helping the suicide rate among people who think that they are the opposite gender.
00:37:39.480 You weren't supposed to notice these things, just like you weren't supposed to notice
00:37:42.020 that the vaccine didn't work how they promised that it was going to, just like you weren't
00:37:46.540 supposed to notice that inflation is increasing, just like you weren't supposed to notice
00:37:49.980 that the gas prices were a lot lower under Trump, just like you weren't supposed to notice that
00:37:53.840 we're still sending billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine, even as the country here
00:37:59.180 is suffering, just like you weren't supposed to notice that the border is open and that they are
00:38:03.140 shipping illegal migrants to different parts of the country. You weren't supposed to notice all
00:38:08.200 of those things. And so because people are noticing, because there are journalists who
00:38:13.540 are actually doing good work to help you notice these things, the only thing that the regime
00:38:18.740 media can do, the only thing that the left can do is attack the people, censor the people who are
00:38:24.600 allowing you to notice. Attack them as conspiracy theorists, attack them as extremists, attack them
00:38:29.700 as radicals, even as terrorists, to try to make you feel like it is immoral to notice. So you just go
00:38:36.960 back, put your head in the sand, pretend like it's not happening. That's really what they want you to
00:38:42.480 do. I think more than support the left wing regime and all of their wicked institutions would rather
00:38:49.660 you just not notice and to just kind of start paying attention right before an election when
00:38:57.180 a big story comes out that emotionally manipulates you into voting Democrat. Don't notice any of the bad
00:39:06.120 things that are happening that are being authored by progressives, but be convinced right before the
00:39:12.060 election that women aren't getting miscarriage care because of the overturning of Roe v. Wade or believe
00:39:18.520 right before the election that Democrats are somehow going to solve racism. That's what they do. That's the
00:39:26.860 playbook. That's how the Democrat Party gets Christian women, because most of the time they're not paying
00:39:32.080 attention. They're only paying attention when it's trending on social media and then they're convinced
00:39:36.220 by their friends that the only compassionate route to take is to vote Democrat. They haven't noticed.
00:39:41.960 That is how the left wins. They ensure that you don't notice. That is why one of our sayings that we
00:39:48.400 are constantly repeating is raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter. We raise a respectful
00:39:54.360 ruckus for the things that matter because I want you to notice. Politics matter because policy matters
00:39:59.580 because people matter. These kids matter. These kids matter. And I think if you're looking for a
00:40:05.220 hill to die on, this is a great one. This is a great one. And you don't have to worry about if
00:40:10.480 you're on the right side, if you're on the compassionate side, if you're against the butchering
00:40:13.620 of children, whether it's in the womb or out of the womb, you're on the right side. I mean, I think
00:40:18.060 history probably tells us that. So you can be extremely confident in that. Now, I hope lives of TikTok and
00:40:23.540 the other people who have been censored because of their reporting. I hope that they're placed back on
00:40:28.680 Twitter. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of confidence in that. I mean, this is an idol of
00:40:34.700 the left and they really don't they really don't allow any dissent when it comes to this. I mean,
00:40:41.020 it's got to be the most Orwellian two plus two equals five belief that the left has the idea that a man
00:40:47.420 can become a woman and that a child can consent to that kind of thing. And so it is absolutely worth
00:40:54.260 pushing back on. It is absolutely worth sticking up for no matter what they say. So I'm thankful
00:40:59.480 to all the journalists who, despite the pushback, despite the true persecution that some of them
00:41:05.020 have endured because of their stance on this and because of their persistent courage on this,
00:41:09.660 I'm just thankful that they have continued to stand firm. All right. I just want one more short
00:41:16.160 segment where I react to Lizzo saying that she is an oppressed woman as she stands up on stage,
00:41:25.600 accepts an award after making millions and millions of dollars.
00:41:29.680 All right. Let's play. Let's play this clip of Lizzo from last night.
00:41:46.900 I don't know what music video for good means, but I do know what your vote means.
00:41:52.920 And that's a lot. Your vote means everything to me. It means everything to making a change in this
00:42:01.980 country. So remember when you're voting for your favorite artists, vote to change some of these
00:42:09.700 laws that are oppressing us. Okay. So she is saying like, because there's one kind of voting and
00:42:21.980 then there's another kind of voting and you voted for her for a favorite artist. So you should also
00:42:27.840 vote in like elections. Is that what she's trying to say? And she is claiming that she is oppressed.
00:42:36.160 The laws that are oppressing her, oppressing us unclear as to who us is in this scenario. Only in
00:42:45.500 America, only in America can you have someone who is making millions and millions of dollars.
00:42:54.720 She's got a net worth in the tens of millions of dollars who has become very famous because she's
00:42:59.540 talented. I don't care what you think about Lizzo. She's talented. She's got a great voice. I think she plays
00:43:04.160 the flute. That's pretty cool. She dances. People really like her. They really like her music. So because of
00:43:10.280 hard work, because of grit, she has been able to become very successful. And look, she doesn't look
00:43:16.340 like your average artist. Like she doesn't look like your average supermodel. I think she's very
00:43:21.540 pretty. But the fact that she has been able to get where she is just because she is like a hard worker
00:43:27.940 and she's talented should probably show you that here in America, you really can do just about
00:43:33.760 anything that you want to do if you've got the talent and the grit to match your goal. Just about
00:43:39.920 anything that you want to do. Only in America can someone claim to be oppressed. Can someone claim
00:43:47.160 that the law is oppressing them and people like them when they are a multi-millionaire? And we keep
00:43:54.960 hearing, well, the example of Lizzo or of any other black millionaire or black successful person,
00:44:02.020 that doesn't disprove anything. That doesn't disprove the fact that America is systemically
00:44:06.820 racist or that America is systemically oppressive. It's still systemically oppressive. There are still
00:44:12.060 great disparities in all of these success stories. And the fact that America has the most successful
00:44:18.380 black people anywhere in the world, the richest black people anywhere in the world, that doesn't
00:44:22.580 change the fact that America is still this racist, oppressive place. And of course, they never
00:44:28.080 have to point to any facts or any specific laws, just kind of the headline that they heard that some
00:44:34.560 kind of policy is maybe indirectly hurting what they would call a historically marginalized group. They
00:44:42.140 never actually have to make any kind of coherent argument. They can just go up on stage wearing
00:44:49.660 thousands of dollars of clothing, making millions of dollars and say we're oppressed and everyone claps
00:44:56.580 like seals. Because the left has this delusion playing in their head constantly, as I've said,
00:45:01.380 that they are the underdog and that they are the little kid holding a slingshot and that this giant
00:45:08.560 of Christo-fascism, this giant of right-wing oppression is standing before them and they're just
00:45:15.800 trying to take them down through democracy and grassroots activism. Of course, it's not true.
00:45:20.960 The left has all of the institutional power. They dominate academia, the public school system,
00:45:26.620 the federal government, our intelligence agencies, media, Hollywood, big corporations, big tech,
00:45:32.120 even the WHO, the UN, the World Economic Forum, all of the biggest institutions in this country
00:45:38.060 are dominated by progressivism. You're not the underdog. You're not the underdog. If anything,
00:45:43.620 you guys are the fascists. You are constantly wetting corporate and government power in order to
00:45:49.420 punish your enemies. Of course, that's what happened. I know I'm kind of going off on a tangent here,
00:45:54.060 but of course, that's what happened in the election between Twitter and the intelligence
00:46:00.680 agencies trying to censor, for example, the Hunter Biden story. And so that goes back to this
00:46:05.840 conversation, though, because every bit of reality opposes this fantasy that leftists have in their head
00:46:13.120 about being oppressed and about being the little guy and about being the underdog. And so that is why
00:46:20.960 Lizzo can be a multimillionaire, can stand up on stage in front of a bunch of other multimillionaires
00:46:26.480 and say, hey, we're oppressed. And everyone's like, yes, it's delusional. It's just another example
00:46:32.080 of right being wrong, wrong being right, up being down to progressives.
00:46:40.220 Um, and so that's all I got to say for today. There was some other stuff that I wanted to get
00:46:44.520 into. We'll have to talk about it, uh, tomorrow. We got lots of good stuff that we're going to get
00:46:48.960 into this week. Thanks so much for listening. Leave a five-star review. If you love this podcast,
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