Ep 676 ｜ Murder in Memphis, the Queen’s Death & 9⧸11 Thoughts ｜ Guest： Fr. Calvin Robinson
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It's hard to believe it's been 21 years since the attacks on the U.S. on September 11th, 2001. It's strange to think that we don't live in the same country we did 20 years ago.
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A Memphis mom was murdered by a man who should have been in jail. The Tennessee town is right
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now riddled with crime and chaos. So what policies are causing this? And how should
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Christians respond to these tragedies? 9-11 reminds us the country we grew up in is not
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coming back. And actually, that might be a good thing. I'll explain why. The Queen of England is
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dead. What should we make of the criticisms of her and her reign? Was she just an evil colonizer
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or a steady symbol of Christian hope? Father Calvin Robinson will help us answer those questions.
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Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. If you have
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not listened to yesterday's episode, it was a replay episode of an interview I did last year
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with someone who survived the attack on the Pentagon in 9-11. And we specifically talked about
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his ability to and his desire to, through Christ, forgive the terrorists who attacked the Pentagon
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and caused him to suffer all of the wounds, both emotional and physical, that he has suffered
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all of these years. Hard to believe that it has been 21 years. It's hard to believe for me that I
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can remember something that happened 21 years ago, and yet I do very vividly. I remember sitting in my
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fourth grade classroom. So I was nine years old, and I remember exactly what my teacher was wearing.
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She had black and white pants on. She had a black shirt. I remember the lump in her throat as she passed
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out these little enveloped letters for us to give to our parents when we went home. And our parents would
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open up those letters and read them to us. And I remember my mom doing that in the kitchen and telling us
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that there had been an attack. There had been plane crashes. Of course, in my nine-year-old mind, I didn't fully
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understand what was happening. I grew up in Dallas, major city. And then, because we just didn't know
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if there was still a threat of more attacks, if we would have to leave the major cities and go
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somewhere more remote. And so there were a lot of questions, a lot of confusion for me at the time.
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And yet, somehow, my little mind grasped in the same way that I'm sure yours did, too, if you were about
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that age, that something monumental was happening, that there was a shift going on, that this wasn't
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just an accident. This wasn't just another political moment. I remember the political moments
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surrounding the election that happened right before that with Bush v. Gore. That's probably my first
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political memory that I have. And of course, I knew my nine-year-old self somehow understood that this
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was much bigger than an election, that this was much more impactful than that. And I remember the
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camaraderie, the united patriotism that we felt afterwards. I remember the respect that people had for
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our leaders and the renewed love that people had for our country. And that quickly faded after 9-11.
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But I remember those ensuing moments. And the fact is, is that we do not live in the same country
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that you and I grew up in. We just don't. And I know this is going to sound really pessimistic. And
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I'll bring us back up into a little more optimism in a second. But I don't think that we will ever go
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back. I don't think that we will ever have the America of the 1980s or the 1990s. It's strange to
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think that after a terrorist attack and after such a contentious election, it's strange to say that
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that time was a lot simpler and that we were somehow more united. And yet that's true. And I know some of
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us long to go back to that time. Some of us long to go back to the America in which we grew up. And yet
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I do think it's time for us to forsake that nostalgia and come to terms with the fact that we just are not
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where we were. The moral, political, cultural, social, sexual revolutions have gone full steam ahead
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for the past 20 years so that we do not look like the same country that we did 20 years ago.
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Our differences as Americans run really deep because they're not just political. They're not
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just about who we should elect. They're not just about policy, but they're really worldview disagreements.
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We disagree on issues of biblical proportions. We disagree on reality itself. We disagree on how to
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define what a woman is. I don't know how you come back from that. Save a great awakening. Save God's
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grace pouring out on this country and manifesting itself and people opening their eyes to what is
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good and right and true. And here's where the optimism comes in. I think that that can happen.
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I believe that God can do that if he wants to. I believe that God can be merciful. He can bring
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people to himself. He can strengthen the church. He can raise up bold, courageous, good, righteous,
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just leaders. I mean, we never thought that Roe v. Wade would get overturned. We never thought that
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that would happen. We just said, no, America is just hurtling closer and closer to hell. We're just
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going to hell in a handbasket. Things are only going to get worse and worse until Jesus comes back.
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There will be no instance of true righteousness or justice. And yet God in his mercy allowed
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Roe v. Wade to be overturned. That is the result, yes, of God's providence, but also 50 years of
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courageous and consistent and persistent activism by pro-lifers who didn't care about the persecution,
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who didn't care about the pushback, saw the goal that they had in their sights to do everything they
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can to save unborn children by changing the law to conform to that which is just. And here we are.
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Here we are in the wake of the Dobbs decision, Roe v. Wade being overturned. And because of that,
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now there are states doing more than they've ever been able to, to protect the lives of vulnerable,
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unborn children. We never thought that that could happen. And yet things changed. Things changed for
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the better because of the bravery of people, because of the boldness of people who are willing
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to raise a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, because of people who understood that
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politics matter, because policy matters, because people matter, and they fought and they spoke and
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they lived like it. And because of the grace and the sovereignty and the mercy of God,
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that happened. Roe v. Wade was overturned. And so I think it is possible for our country to change
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for the better. But we need to realize that it doesn't mean going back to the 70s or 80s or 90s
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or whenever you think that our heyday was, because really, if you trace a lot of the problems that we
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have, whether it's gender ideology, whether it's selling our jobs over to China, whether it is the
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communism that seems to pervade our public education system or our academic system or higher education
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system, all of those problems really started in the age that we look back and think was the golden
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age, the 50s, the 60s, the 70s and the 80s. They hadn't manifested themselves as wickedly as they have
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today. But as we've talked about many times on this podcast, a lot of these ideologies started
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gaining traction, at least in academic circles, 50 years ago. So I'm not really interested in going
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backward. I'm interested in going forward. It is a new day. It is a new era. This is a new America.
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We have new problems. We have new issues. We have different kinds of disagreements today. We're a
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different kind of people than our parents' generation and our grandparents' generation. There's a lot of
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bad aspects to that, but I refuse to believe that that is accidental. I refuse to believe that God
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places here arbitrarily. I don't know the fate of America. I don't. I don't think that there is some
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special promise that God placed in the nooks and crannies of the Bible for, you know, American
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ultimate victory and sovereignty over the world. I don't think that America is God's chosen country.
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All I know is that God can use brave, strong, faithful Christians to better the country in which
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he has providentially and purposely placed them. And I believe that that is part of our role. I don't
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believe that our primary job as Christians is to be political activists. I don't believe that the
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primary way to love your neighbor is simply to vote for a candidate with good policies, but it is a
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way. Just as Israel was in exile in Jeremiah 29 and God commanded them to seek the welfare of the city
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in which God had placed him. So I think Christians today, if we're to abide by that same principle,
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should seek the welfare, the well-being of the city, of the places, of the communities in which God
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has placed us. And I do believe that maybe not in our lifetimes, but maybe in our children's lifetimes
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or in our grandchildren's lifetimes, that the consequences of our faithful advocacy for that
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which is good and right and true can manifest itself in really good things. I believe in the
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possibility of a great awakening. I do. It's not going to look exactly like it did right after
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9-11. Maybe it can be better. Maybe we can build a better country than the one that we grew up in.
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It's going to take a lot of courage. It's going to take a lot of work. It's going to take putting the
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right people in charge, but it's also going to take a lot of consistency at the grassroots level.
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And I know that a lot of you out there, especially you moms, are doing just that. So thank you.
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Keep going. Let 9-11 just be a reminder of that which we are fighting for and pushing towards for
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All right. So our beloved vice president, Kamala Harris, was in an interview, doing an interview
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with Chuck Todd of MSNBC on Meet the Press over the weekend. And he, in his question, compared
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9-11, the terrorist attacks on 9-11 to the supposed attacks on our democracy by Americans here in the
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United States. Here's what VP Harris said. Look, we're at the 21st marking, if you will,
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of the September 11th attacks. This was a foreign terrorist attacking our democracy,
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attacking this country. We're now as a nation battling a threat from within. Is the threat
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equal or greater than what we faced after 9-11?
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That's an interesting question. I have held many elected offices as district attorney, attorney,
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general senator, now vice president. And there's an oath that we always take, which is to defend and
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uphold our constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We don't compare the two in the oath,
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but we know they both can exist and we must defend against it.
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Oh, all right. You know that we launched a war to kill the foreign enemies that attacked us on 9-11.
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And in light of President Biden's speech, which we analyzed last week, go back and listen to that
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episode if you haven't already. Like, what do you think, what do you think they're alluding to?
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What do you think that they are actually implying here? I mean, remember, President Biden, against
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the blood red wall behind him, flanked by members of our military, said that quote unquote MAGA
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Republicans are an enemy to the republic, are a threat to democracy. And he tried to say, oh,
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they're just fringe Republicans. But then in the next breath, he contradicts himself by describing who
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these supposed extremist Republicans are, people who are pro-life, people who basically disagree
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with his regime. So here is Vice President Harris doubling down on that, doubling down on what the
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MSNBC commentators have been saying recently, that apparently we're already in a civil war.
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Again, we talked about that last week. Kathy Griffin, Griffith, Griffin, I can never remember.
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She's a comedian. And she tweeted last week, if you want a civil war, don't vote for Democrats.
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If you or if you want a civil war, then you should vote Republican. If you don't want a civil war,
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vote Democrats. What's that supposed to mean? Is that a threat that if people vote Republican and
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Republicans take over both the House and the Senate, that Democrats are going to launch a civil war?
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On MSNBC last week, they said they think the civil war has already started. Yeah, we've already seen
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that with the DOJ going after Biden's political opponents. Tristan Snell, he is a lawyer. He
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prosecuted Trump University. He's a former assistant attorney general for New York State, commentator
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for MSNBC and CNN. He tweeted yesterday, September 11th was a terrorist attack. January 6th was a terrorist
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attack. So we're supposed to, you see, we're supposed to draw an equivalence here. So the people who
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rioted, and that's what I call it, I think it's a riot, the people who rioted on January 6th,
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who did not kill anyone, who were unarmed. I'm not defending a lot of the things that I saw,
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a lot of the violence that I saw. I think it's inexcusable. But we're talking about unarmed people
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rioting, not killing anyone, versus foreign terrorists who murdered almost 3,000 people.
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So tell me how these things are the same. Tell me how these things are the same. Like you've seen
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some of the people that have gotten prosecuted for just being there on January 6th. I mean,
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we're talking about grandparents. We're talking about nonviolent offenders. We're talking about
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people who maybe shouldn't have been doing certain things, getting the book thrown at them when
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literal murderers are walking the streets in Democrat cities in the name of social justice.
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So tell me again how these two things are the same. Oh, and by the way, apparently the Biden
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administration, CBS News confirmed this, that military prosecutors and defense attorneys,
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rather, are negotiating potential plea deals that could take the death penalty off the table for the
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five defendants accused in the 9-11 attacks. That is the definition of injustice.
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So on the 21st anniversary of 9-11, we're hearing that military prosecutors are trying to get a lighter
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sentence, a lighter punishment for the terrorists that murdered thousands and thousands of people,
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thousands and thousands of innocent Americans. My only question is, why are they still alive?
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Why have they been allowed to breathe all of these years? The only just consequence
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of that kind of crime is the death penalty. And as we'll talk about in a minute, really the only
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just punishment for any murder that is proven is the death penalty. And right now they're trying to
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get a lighter sentence for these terrorists who murdered thousands of people. It's really amazing
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just how our morality and our sense of justice in this country has completely crumbled. And look,
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being declared enemies of the state by these kinds of people who really have no sense of justice
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means that we're living through really scary times. You who thought that you were just living a normal,
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quiet, productive life by working hard, raising a family, going to church, helping your community,
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because you vote Republican, because you're against abortion, because you oppose the gender
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mutilation of children, you are considered a domestic enemy of the state by this administration
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and their cronies in the media. And again, do not think that they distinguish between you
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and those who rioted on January 6th. Biden made clear in that speech that he considers pro-lifers to be
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extreme. This administration has already declared their intent to go after concerned parents at school
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board meetings who take issue with their children seeing pornography at school library. When they
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said extreme, radical threat, a domestic threat to the Constitution, they mean you and me. Those of us
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who simply believe the things that Christians for thousands of years have believed about, the sacredness
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of human life, the reality of male and female, the role of parents and the family versus the state.
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We, they say, who live quiet and peaceful lives are the threat, even as they have nothing to say
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about the consistent and destructive political violence on their own side, even as they work hand
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in glove with major corporations like Google and Facebook and Twitter to punish speech that they
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find disagreeable. And as I said last week, in a sense, they are right. Even though you are a peaceful
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person, you are a threat because you are a threat to secular progressivism by standing, again, for that
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which is good, that which is right, that which is true. By simply teaching your children what is right,
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by pushing back against the darkness in every sphere you occupy, whether it's at work or at school,
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you are a threat to the dark and destructive ideology that the ruling class represents. So you should
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just embrace that. Look, Christians have always been a hindrance to tyranny. We have always been a boil
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on the back of dictators. We have always been an obstacle for totalitarians, both privately and
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publicly. Christians throughout history have defied the fascists and the communists and the wicked
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monarchs and the powerful oppressors. Our strategy of opposition will change in America as the moment
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demands. But if there is one thing you must never do in an age of intense hostility against the truth,
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that is lie. Do not lie. If there's nothing else that you can do, do not lie. Never say something
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or affirm something that is not true just to make your life easier. Root yourself in what is true as a
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Christian. That in itself is opposition to the totalitarian depravity of today. Root yourself in
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that which is biblically true, morally true, factually true, and do not swerve from it. Remember,
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two and two will always make four. You remember the end of 1984 when Winston finally gave in to
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Big Brother's determination of what reality is, even though he really knew it wasn't true?
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Don't do it. Don't give in. Two and two will always make four. Make sure you know it. Make sure
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your children know it. All right. I want to talk about what's going on in Memphis right now and
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All right. I want to talk a little bit about what is going on in Memphis. As you guys know,
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we briefly talked about this last week. A woman by the name of Eliza Fletcher, she was a preschool
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teacher in Memphis, a mom of two young boys, a wife. She was abducted and killed while on her
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morning run by a man by the name of Cleotha Abston Henderson. He has now been charged with her
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kidnapping and murder. He had been released four years early after serving 20 years of a 24-year
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sentence in the May 2000 abduction and robbery of attorney Kemper Durant. And, you know, last week
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I said that this I don't know that this was a result of social justice or soft on crime policies
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because this man who abducted her had been 16 in 2000 when he committed his crime. He served about 20
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years of his 25-year sentence. And so that seems to be a just consequence for the crime that he
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committed. But after thinking about it and researching it, really, it is an issue of being
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soft on crime. Tennessee actually just passed a law that just went into place that says that all
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violent criminals have to serve 100 percent of their sentence because that wasn't happening,
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especially in liberal cities like Memphis. Had this guy not been released, had he been able to
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or been forced to serve out his full sentence, Eliza would still be alive. Now, maybe there are other
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problems with our justice system. You could say, well, he just would have murdered someone else later on.
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Maybe. We don't know that. The fact of the matter is he should have stayed in prison for as long as
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possible and Eliza would still be living and these boys would still have a mother.
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Now, this is not the only thing that has gone on. This is not the only tragedy that has gone on
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in Memphis over the past few days. There was a mom and her one-year-old baby who were abducted from
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Target and were forced to go to an ATM, get out hundreds of dollars, and actually the kidnappers
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brought them back to Target. Thank God. And then there was a man going on a shooting spree in
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Memphis. He actually fled Memphis. I think he made his way to Arkansas that killed several people,
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including a young woman, including a mom of young children. And when they took him in,
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they finally did catch him and arrest him. He grinned for his mugshot. So just really ugly,
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evil stuff. And now the Memphis PD is looking for two black males between the ages of 18 and 21.
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That's what the description says that videoed themselves saying white folks fixing to not
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like black people. They're fixing to be marching by the riverside. White lives matter.
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He already shot an old man. I'm fixing to shoot an old white lady. One of the men was arrested on
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September 10th. His name is Reginald Williams. And so we've got a lot of problems going on in
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Memphis. And now people who have lived in Memphis for a long time can tell you that this city has
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had problems for a while, maybe for decades, but they've just gotten worse and worse. I went to
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school in South Carolina. It's pretty common for people in Tennessee, Nashville, and in Memphis to
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go to the school, Furman, that I attended. So I had a few friends that grew up in Memphis.
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And they told me then that there were only parts of Memphis that were really considered safe and
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that a large portion of the city you just couldn't go to. And Tucker Carlson made the point on his show,
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which I thought was really good last week when he was talking about the Eliza Fletcher tragedy,
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that there should be nowhere in the United States where you cannot go outside. It shouldn't be
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commonplace for us to say, oh, you can't walk there without getting murdered or raped. Oh, you can't go
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on a run at that time of night because you might get kidnapped and killed. That's something that you
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should be afraid of, perhaps in a third world country. That is not something that we should fear
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in the United States of America. And yet we do. We've just accepted it. We've just decided, oh,
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yeah, that's fine. That's just how it is. Those are the other side of the tracks. And you just can't
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go over there because you might get sexually assaulted and you might not make it back alive.
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We've just accepted that as normal and it shouldn't be. These are the results in a lot of ways of policy.
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Now, not all evil is the result of politicians. It's not like we can, you know, construct a society
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in which sin doesn't exist. Sin, of course, is pre-civilizational, but we can put laws and
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policies in place that disincentivize people as much as possible to commit these kinds of atrocities.
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And in a place like Memphis, which has been run by liberals for a very long time, you just don't
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have those kinds of safeguards in place. If we look at some of the people who run the city,
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the mayor, Jim Strickland, he's a Democrat. Violent crime has only gotten worse under his watch.
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If you look at the city council, it has four conservative members, but nine progressive members.
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The district attorney for Shelby County is Steven Mulroy. He is a progressive. He previously was
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on the Shelby County Commission and he championed an animal welfare ordinance. Not saying that's bad,
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but I mean, just look on, look on the, look at the priority list here. He also ran and won on the
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promise to implement, quote unquote, restorative justice practices. Yeah. What that means is soft on
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crime. And here we go. Here's what he believes. This is what's causing all these soft on crime
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policies and social justice policies that are actually killing people in Democrat run cities
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across the country. He said, if we can reduce the systemic discrimination that occurs in our system
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and reduce the burden on innocent people and restore the public's trust and the fairness of
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our system in the community, especially the African-American community, will cooperate with law
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enforcement and provide tips and witnesses and reports crimes, I promise you that that is not
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how it's going to go. And that might sound good. That might sound just and fair, but I assure you
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it translates in to just being soft on crime, letting people out of prison, letting people out of jail,
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setting low, setting low bails just to try to meet some kind of equity racial quota. The police chief,
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he is the past president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives.
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He testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the matter of police reform after the George Floyd
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incident. He was appointed to the Racial Equity and Criminal Justice Task Force. I'm not saying that all of
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these policies and programs are universally bad. I am saying that obviously the priorities are not
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straight in the city of Memphis. Crime is being incentivized. The punishments aren't harsh enough
00:28:02.220
and the innocent people aren't being protected and therefore the pockets of safety, the pockets of
00:28:08.600
safety are getting smaller and smaller. There are some policies, specific policies. Inmates are first
00:28:14.660
eligible for release or parole after 20% of the actual sentence is imposed minus the credit such as good
00:28:21.360
behavior or work credits. That's why this Cleotha guy was out because he got out of prison early for
00:28:27.040
quote-unquote good behavior. And then as I said, this new law, this truth in sentencing now forces
00:28:36.240
these kinds of inmates to serve 100% of their sentencing, but that wasn't in place when this guy
00:28:42.840
got out of jail and was able to murder this young mom. So here's the deal. My heart hurts for Eliza and
00:28:55.240
the pain that she endured. I don't know. I don't know her, but it's easy as a young mom of two kids
00:29:03.800
myself to see myself reflected in her. And that's not to make it about me. I think that's human nature
00:29:11.520
that is part of healthy empathy. It's easy for me to look at her life and to see my babies reflected in her
00:29:18.380
babies, to see my husband reflected in hers, and therefore it's not at all difficult to imagine what this
00:29:24.560
family must be going through, to imagine the fear and the pain that she felt when she was being kidnapped
00:29:29.840
and murdered and how confused and distraught her boys must be. And we should be praying for this family, that the
00:29:35.680
community of God would rally around them, that somehow the gospel would be shown and that God
00:29:41.360
would bring good things out of this because only he can do that. And I pray that this murderer, that he
00:29:48.060
would come to know Christ through the gospel and that he and Eliza would be worshiping in heaven together
00:29:54.100
forever. The gospel can do that. God can do that. God's grace can do that. And I hope, I hope that that's
00:30:01.660
what happens. And I'm also, I'm thankful for the Memphis community, how they are coming together.
00:30:07.520
There was kind of a vigil type run where they finished Eliza's run last week in her honor. And so
00:30:14.960
I'm thankful for how the people of God and how the church and how this community is already showing up.
00:30:21.780
So I'm praying for them and I am hoping that God is glorified through this. But I also hope
00:30:30.840
that this is a wake-up call for people for a few reasons. And let me just say this, and I know this
00:30:40.140
kind of offends people, but look, social justice kills. It kills. It is not just. And here's what I
00:30:48.500
mean, is that this aspect of social justice as criminal justice reform, and that typically means
00:30:55.540
a lot of things, but most of it has to do with letting criminals out of jail before they should be out of
00:31:00.540
jail. This is done in the name of racial justice, because just to put it, put it plainly, there are
00:31:06.240
a disproportionate number of black people in jail. So in order to create so-called equity, which
00:31:10.740
progressives have defined as equal outcomes in order to lower the rate of black people in jail and make
00:31:15.700
it closer to the proportion of white people in jail, soft on crime policies are adopted because
00:31:21.620
unfortunately there is a disproportionate number of black men that commit violent crimes. It is
00:31:26.880
completely disproportionate to their population size. This is all population size. This is all
00:31:34.640
according to FBI crime data. And also an uncomfortable truth is that according to this data, it is far more
00:31:42.120
likely for the kinds of crimes that we saw against Eliza Black on white crime to occur than on the other
00:31:48.680
way around. And the reason why I bring that up is to just show the duplicity of our national
00:31:55.000
narrative about right and wrong and about crime. Her murder is not going to spark a national
00:32:00.900
conversation about white victimization. Like, do you see your favorite Christian influencers talking
00:32:06.320
about the need for racial reconciliation because of what happened to Eliza and doing the work and
00:32:12.260
injustice and systemic oppression? Do you see people trying to put the guilt on other black people
00:32:17.380
because of what happened to Eliza? Did she get a social media post from the people who are always
00:32:22.980
ready to jump on any false narrative that includes a black victim and a white perpetrator? Have you
00:32:27.780
seen social justice activists saying, oh, white women can't even jog without being hunted down? Justice
00:32:32.680
for Eliza? Now, I don't think that we should be seeing those things because I don't think that this
00:32:39.320
crime was connected to race. We have no indication that it was, but we have just as much evidence that her
00:32:45.680
murder had to do with race as we do, say, George Floyd. And yet one was automatically assumed to be about
00:32:52.500
race and the other one no one even questions. And I'm just trying to get you to see through this example
00:32:58.040
how convoluted our conversations are about right and wrong in this country, justice and injustice, how our
00:33:04.580
insistence upon racializing narratives and not racializing others is making us really undiscerning in our
00:33:11.380
judgment, both in what we say and who a lot of people vote for. The truth is, it's trendy to say that a police
00:33:18.200
killing a black man is racist, even when we have no proof showing racial motivations. It's not trendy to say
00:33:25.100
that a black man killing a white woman is racist. That's what it comes down to. It comes down to what is popular
00:33:30.220
and what's not. The people you see posting a black square for George Floyd, but barely saying a peep about this
00:33:35.840
or Justine Damon, the white woman murdered point blank by a black police officer a few years ago, simply allow their
00:33:42.360
outrage and compassion to be dictated by whatever social media says is right. And that is not. God help
00:33:48.980
us all. All of us. That is not how the people of God should see and respond to the world. The way
00:33:55.080
progressive social justice activists see and respond to the world is not biblical or historically true as a
00:34:01.060
world categorized by white oppressors and non-white oppressed. I promise you God does not see Eliza as the
00:34:07.460
oppressor and this murderer as oppressed. I promise you this dude is not let off the hook by God because
00:34:12.660
his grandparents might have lived through Jim Crow. I promise God is not weighing Eliza's or anyone's
00:34:19.000
white privilege when he is deciding whether they are a victim or not. God is not debating whether a
00:34:23.900
black person can be racist because racism is technically prejudice plus power and black people don't have any
00:34:29.020
power. That is a ludicrous, deluded way of thinking, and it is not for those who follow Christ.
00:34:34.120
We serve an impartial God. He does not show favoritism to the rich, to the poor, to the mighty,
00:34:40.760
to the weak, to the black, to the white. He judges righteously. He judges perfectly. He judges between
00:34:46.480
good and evil. He does not calculate your melanin or that of your ancestors in his judgments.
00:34:51.220
Righteousness in this case, as with all murder cases, would be the death penalty. Genesis 9-6,
00:34:57.560
before Israel, before civilization, the death penalty is demanded by God for murder because of a reason
00:35:02.780
that transcends time and culture and is not negated by Jesus' death and resurrection, and that is
00:35:07.740
because we are made in his image. Death penalty should be the punishment for all capital murder.
00:35:14.780
We should be tough on crime. We should do our best to rehabilitate and reintroduce those who can be
00:35:20.060
rehabilitated and reintroduced. I am for, for example, restoring voting rights to people who have served
00:35:25.700
their sentences and are back in society. I am for doing everything we can to secure
00:35:30.460
employment, even if that is some kind of effective government program. I am not against that. I am for
00:35:37.780
that. I want people to be rehabilitated, reintroduced, restored when that is possible, when that is
00:35:45.440
feasible, when that is safe. But I am not for soft on crime policies for the sake of so-called
00:35:52.680
superficial equity and deadly social justice. Now, as I said, I hope this man comes to Christ.
00:36:00.320
I hope that he repents. I hope that he's redeemed and that we see him in heaven one day. If Eliza
00:36:05.840
was a believer, and I believe she was, that would mean that Eliza and her murder would be worshiping
00:36:12.200
their Savior together for all of eternity. Only God can do that. As I said earlier, only the gospel
00:36:18.720
can do that. I mean, right now in heaven, there are murderers and their victims fully reconciled to God
00:36:24.200
and to each other through Christ, fully forgiven and complete and whole, worshiping together. And
00:36:29.040
that's what God can do. So what I take from this, in addition to just like the personal anguish and
00:36:36.000
sadness that I know this community feels and just feeling for them and praying for them personally,
00:36:41.360
for God to minister to them, like I also want us to see something like this and be smart
00:36:46.160
and to think a little bit harder, to think harder politically, to think harder morally, to think
00:36:52.320
harder theologically. All of these, all tragedies and all of these tense political moments should
00:36:59.320
cause us to think a little bit more deeply about what is actually true and about what actually works.
00:37:16.160
We've got with us Father Calvin Robinson again. Thank you so much for joining us. First, just give me your
00:37:24.000
immediate reaction when you found out first that she, that the Queen was seriously ill, that the family
00:37:31.580
was coming to visit her, and then when you found out that she had actually died.
00:37:35.480
I was on, I believe, Megyn Kelly's show at the time of the announcement of the Queen being seriously
00:37:41.640
ill. And we were gathering at that time that this really was seriously ill. It was the end of her life. And
00:37:48.520
it's the most difficult interview I've ever done, because I don't get nervous doing interviews, but I was
00:37:52.920
really, really anxious, because this is someone that we as a nation see as a grandmother figure. You know, she's the
00:37:59.480
glue, the physical embodiment of our constitution, and we've had her on the throne for over 70 years. We
00:38:06.360
don't know anything else. So it's been an interesting time this week. And then, of course, later that day,
00:38:14.040
I was in the newsroom, actually, as we heard that the announcement was coming any moment. And I thought,
00:38:20.840
this is it. And I was supposed to be actually, I was supposed to be on air. And I thank God that I
00:38:26.520
wasn't on air at the time, because I'm relatively new to my ministry. And I've, you know, I've
00:38:32.280
assisted at funerals, and I've comforted people mourning for other priests and vicars, but I
00:38:38.920
haven't actually lost anyone in my own flock yet. And I don't think I would like the responsibility of
00:38:44.120
being the clerical on the news at the time that it was breaking. And that was such a big responsibility
00:38:51.240
that I was thankful that I managed to dodge that, actually. But then later that day, after I'd had the
00:38:55.720
time to compose my thoughts and to pray on the situation I was then on air and able to
00:39:02.840
just provide a sense of witness, I think, because the reason I've been doing so much media this week,
00:39:07.960
in the UK, in the US and Australia, is because everyone's talking about the Queen's legacy.
00:39:13.320
Everyone's talking about the history, the historical importance of having someone reign for so long,
00:39:18.120
etc. But no one is really talking about the most important factor. And that is Her Majesty's faith,
00:39:23.640
because Her Majesty's faith in Christ was the rocks, the foundations of her leaderships,
00:39:29.720
from her leadership style, to being, you know, a servant leader, to actually the content of her
00:39:36.840
character and content of her speeches and everything about her. She focused on Jesus Christ at the
00:39:43.240
forefront of her life. And I think that really showed in the style of monarch that she was. And I
00:39:48.760
think that's the most important thing for people to hear at a time like this, especially when we're
00:39:53.880
all suffering a loss, is that there is always hope. And that hope is through the resurrection,
00:39:58.520
that the resurrection is through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, who is the resurrection and
00:40:02.600
the life. And he said that whoever believes in him, even if you die, you will live. And I think that's
00:40:07.640
the message that people need to hear right now.
00:40:09.240
Yes, I know that people in the US and elsewhere understand that she has been a steady figure
00:40:15.080
through all of the different, I don't know if you want to call them scandals, but her family
00:40:23.000
has endured over the past few decades, but also the turbulence of the UK. She has remained steadfast
00:40:31.240
and steady and apolitical. But I don't hear, as you said, a lot of people attributing that to her
00:40:37.160
faith in the gospel. And to be honest, that's not really something that I knew. I knew that probably
00:40:42.600
in general, she held to a Christian faith, but I had really never heard her talk about Jesus until
00:40:49.880
people like you were pointing out that in a lot of her speeches, she used him as an example for morality,
00:40:58.040
as the center of family life. Can you tell us just a little bit more about that? When you're thinking
00:41:03.000
back about her legacy of faith and some of the things that she said, what is it that really
00:41:07.720
stands out to you? Is there a particular speech or particular quote that comes from her that
00:41:13.880
I'll give you a couple of examples. So on the year that her father died in 1952,
00:41:19.400
she assumed the position of the queen before she was crowned, of course, because it takes a long time
00:41:24.360
for the ceremony to be planned. So in the time between her father's death and her coronation,
00:41:29.800
she delivered a message to the people. And she said, pray for me, that God may give me wisdom
00:41:34.920
and strength to carry out the solemn promise I shall be making, and that I may faithfully serve
00:41:39.400
him and you all the days of my life. And that one is probably her first public message as the queen,
00:41:45.320
but also the one that stands out to me as the most important, because those words pretty much define
00:41:49.720
her life. She did serve him and us as a people, as a commonwealth of nations, but also as Brits for the
00:41:55.800
entirety of her life. Just two days before she died, she swore in the new prime minister of the
00:42:01.480
United Kingdom. Like, she did not stop working at all. And that is a true, that's a person who
00:42:07.880
understands duty and service and obligation. And I think it's very clear where she got that from,
00:42:12.360
because later on she said, for me, the teachings of Christ and my own personal accountability before
00:42:18.760
God provide a framework in which I lead my life. So there again, she's backing it up, as in this is where
00:42:24.360
she's getting the instructions or the commandments to lead her life, but also
00:42:28.920
the accountability before God. For any leader, I think that's important, but especially for someone
00:42:34.840
as high up as the queen. There are very few people in the world who have more accountability than Her
00:42:41.720
Majesty the Queen. So it's important for her to have some accountability too. And the fact that she
00:42:45.880
recognized that she's accountable to God tells me everything that I need to know about her style.
00:42:50.040
Well, I think that we would all be better off if more politicians, not that she's a politician,
00:42:54.360
but more leaders and representatives believed that they were going to be held accountable to God and
00:42:59.640
that they weren't just accountable to themselves. That would solve a whole lot of problems. Now,
00:43:04.360
you are very familiar with the different kinds of criticisms of the queen that have surfaced over the
00:43:12.920
past few days since her death. Obviously, a lot of these criticisms existed before her death,
00:43:18.360
but for some reason, people feel that at the moment of someone's death, that that is just the right
00:43:24.040
time to level some of the worst criticisms against them that you can imagine. So from a lot of people
00:43:29.080
on the left, it's that she was this vicious imperialist colonizer that presided over the oppression
00:43:35.960
of black and brown people around the world. And then I'm seeing some criticism from people,
00:43:41.880
I don't know if it's on the right, but I don't know, some people somewhere on the political
00:43:46.280
spectrum saying, you know, she was actually not conservative enough, or she and her family were
00:43:53.000
representatives of the World Economic Forum. And I don't know, some shady business went on there.
00:43:59.640
She's not what you think. That's maybe a little bit less academic, but I'm seeing some of that
00:44:06.440
criticism online. So kind of what's your response to the people saying, no, no, no, the queen wasn't
00:44:12.680
this person that we should be respecting, and we shouldn't even be mourning this death?
00:44:18.520
Firstly, it tells me how crass people can be, and how tasteless people can be. The fact that,
00:44:23.640
you know, we have we have a mourning period for 10 days. And I think that anyone that's got an element
00:44:29.080
of respect would at least let people mourn, even if you don't respect the queen herself,
00:44:33.560
respect other people and their rights to mourn and grieve her loss. But people that can't do that
00:44:40.120
are putting their own political ideologies above their compassion and their humanity. And that shows
00:44:44.920
me that they lack faith, they lack love, they lack Christ in their lives, to be honest with you. A lot
00:44:49.240
of these people, especially this Dr. Uju, and there's Travis Sinclair, there are a number of people who said
00:44:56.360
some really, really horrible things. I'm talking about high profile people saying things like,
00:45:00.280
I hope she died in excruciating pain. Yes. And just so people know, Dr. Uju Anya,
00:45:06.600
she is a professor at Carnegie Mellon University. She tweeted, I heard the chief monarch of a thieving,
00:45:12.440
raping, genocidal empire is finally dying. And then just to add on to that, may her pain be excruciating.
00:45:20.760
So just so people know, we're not just saying some people. I mean, these are reactions that were said
00:45:28.360
by blue check marks professors on Twitter after she died.
00:45:33.320
Absolutely. And the level of, well, I'm not going to miss my words, the level of evil at play here
00:45:38.520
is horrible to see. Wishing death upon anyone is bad enough, but wishing excruciating pain in their death
00:45:45.400
is just, it's beyond words. I can't contemplate who I would possibly hate enough to feel that way
00:45:51.000
about them. So I put out a message in response saying, you know, you've clearly got hatred in
00:45:56.600
your heart. I pray that you find peace. Whatever's bugging you, I pray you get past it. Something along
00:46:02.520
those lines. And the response I received, as a result of that, I've never seen anything like it.
00:46:08.040
You know, I've seen, I've received abuse in my time on social media, as I'm sure we all have.
00:46:12.760
But the racism, the vitriol, a lot of it comes from African Americans actually. And I don't
00:46:18.600
understand why the queen is such a figurehead for them, but it seems to be that they are conflating
00:46:23.160
American racial politics with British politics once again. And it doesn't make any sense. These
00:46:27.160
people calling the queen imperial or a colonizer or, you know, the wording about raping
00:46:34.200
different cultures and stuff is all, it's historically incorrect. Her Majesty the Queen
00:46:40.120
came to the throne at the height of an empire. And by the end of it, there was no empire left.
00:46:44.920
So she's the biggest decolonizer in history. She left behind a legacy of voluntary community
00:46:52.120
spirits. The Commonwealth of Nations is a group that people join voluntarily. And actually,
00:46:57.720
a lot of former French colonies have joined the British Commonwealth of Nations because they see the
00:47:01.720
success of the camaraderie of it. And it's a great thing. It's a great legacy, not just for trade,
00:47:06.840
but for sports and just family. The true sense of community is a good thing. But to suggest that
00:47:13.640
the queen herself is somehow guilty for the sins of her forebears, again, it's that original sin of
00:47:19.480
whiteness. Just being white makes you guilty of something that your family may or may not have committed
00:47:24.760
in the past. Certain elements of our society need to get over this because it's toxic, it's divisive,
00:47:31.160
and it's not going to help social cohesion. And Her Majesty the Queen was a unifying figure. She
00:47:35.560
brought us all together. She was a figurehead of our nation, not just our nation, but a lot of people
00:47:39.880
around the world, you know, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, they all have the queen as their head of
00:47:43.880
state too. And she's the thing that brings us together because other nations don't have a physical
00:47:49.240
embodiment. And, you know, I think we've alluded to this before that in America, you've got your flag,
00:47:54.280
that's something you can identify with. That's great, but it's not the same as a living,
00:47:57.720
breathing person who represents you. And also our politics at the time, right now, is becoming so
00:48:04.280
divided, you know, between the Democrats, the Republicans, or Labour and the Conservatives.
00:48:09.240
And with each new leader, they go slightly further, not necessarily to the right or left, but slightly
00:48:14.760
further apart. And having someone who's apolitical, that is the glue holding everything else together,
00:48:21.480
which is what Her Majesty the Queen was. That's the purpose of a constitutional monarchy. It's a
00:48:26.760
And tell me what you think about King Charles. Some people are worried about
00:48:31.800
him not being as loyal to the interests of England. And perhaps, I think I saw you comment
00:48:37.080
on this kind of being bought by the World Economic Forum. People are concerned about that. What are your
00:48:44.360
I'm also concerned. He is a member or has been a member of the WEF. He's friends with Klaus Schwab.
00:48:52.200
He's, you know, he goes to these events in Davos and mingles with the billionaires and the global
00:48:57.400
elites and the influencers. I think it's because he is such an avid supporter of the green agenda,
00:49:03.560
you know, net zero policies are his bread and butter. He's been an environmentalist all his life.
00:49:07.720
I think that is what his main concern is. But I do understand that now that he is king, he
00:49:13.160
appreciates that he's no longer a prince. He's no longer free to have political opinions.
00:49:17.800
He does have to be apolitical. And he said that he's going to take that role seriously.
00:49:22.360
So I'm going to try and give him the benefit of the doubt as much as you can.
00:49:25.960
Try and be charitable and take him at his word. It is difficult. It really is because we are fighting
00:49:31.800
a global evil. We are fighting a spiritual war and the WEF has chosen the wrong side in this war.
00:49:36.360
Some would say they are the wrong side of this war. So it's difficult to have a sovereign that
00:49:42.600
is linked to them. But I'm hoping and praying that he's going to separate himself from that.
00:49:47.640
My other major concern with King Charles III is that he talks about this country being a country
00:49:53.800
of multiple faiths and multiple cultures. And yes, it is. And of course, we have to be tolerant of
00:49:59.960
all different faiths and cultures as best we can. But we have to identify that this is a Christian
00:50:04.440
country. And we have a Christian faith. And they are the things that we need to be defending
00:50:09.560
and promoting. And the king as defender of the faith and supreme governor of the church
00:50:14.920
should be doing that first before addressing any others.
00:50:17.400
Hmm. Do you have hope that there will ever be another figure as unifying, as steady as Queen Elizabeth?
00:50:27.000
I mean, I personally don't think it's probably going to be King Charles, but somewhere down the line.
00:50:33.800
Perhaps. But then again, she is a once in a generation figure. She's broken so many records.
00:50:40.520
I think she has the second longest reign in the world in the entirety of history. The only person
00:50:47.160
who reigned longer than her was King Louis. And that's just because he came to the throne as a baby.
00:50:51.720
So I think we're all going to look back at some point in the future and think that the Elizabethan
00:50:57.240
period was special. It was different. I don't think we'll get anyone like her. It doesn't mean we won't
00:51:02.360
get other good leaders. And I think Prince William is showing signs of potentially being a good king.
00:51:07.160
And Cates or Catherine is looking like a good queen. But they too have some links that concern me. So
00:51:14.760
let's see how they've managed to separate themselves from the political life and focus on service and duty.
00:51:21.080
Yeah, let's hope for the best for sure. And obviously, we continue to pray for our leaders,
00:51:24.840
no matter who they are, what their political affiliations are. And God is sovereign. So
00:51:29.880
I do hope the best. I hope the best for the leadership of the UK, just like I do here.
00:51:33.800
Okay, I want to talk a little bit, we don't have too much time. But because I saw you tweet about this
00:51:37.960
a few weeks ago, and because it seems really important, I want to hear, I want to hear a little bit
00:51:44.040
more about the Rotherham. I hope that I'm pronouncing that correctly. Child sexual exploitation
00:51:50.840
scandal. You tweeted on August 21. Recent report estimates over 1400 children were sexually abused
00:51:56.280
in Rotherham in the past decade. How has the government awarded Rotherham 1.8 million pounds
00:52:01.880
in the title of UK's first children's capital of culture? So what in the world is happening here?
00:52:08.040
Good question. The problem with Rotherham, and it's not just in Rotherham, there are many cities and
00:52:14.360
towns around the UK, Telford, Rochdale, there are plenty of them where we've had, I'm not going to
00:52:22.120
call them, the press calls them grooming gang scandals. They are Pakistani Muslim gang rapists.
00:52:27.880
And what they do is they take young white girls, and they rape them and pass them around and use them as
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a novelty. And it is cultural, it is disgusting. But the worst thing about it is that it's been swept
00:52:40.920
under the rug by the police, who have questioned these girls and said, you know, is this a lifestyle
00:52:46.120
choice? Are you a child prostitute? As if that's a thing? Did you consent? A child cannot consent to sex.
00:52:53.960
By definition, it is rape. So this is from the police. And then we've got the council above
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the police covering it up. We've got the councillors, the safeguarding people who are
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supposed to be looking out for young girls, covering it up. And then it goes all the way
00:53:07.400
up to the government, the Labour government and the Conservative government both covering it up.
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And it seems to me that the main issue was that they were petrified that people would find out that
00:53:17.000
these are Pakistani Muslims that are committing these atrocities, because they don't want a race war in
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this country. So for the sake of diversity, they've sacrificed the lives of young white girls,
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young British white girls. And I think it's a disgusting evil that needs to be talked about
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more. But even the press is afraid of touching this topic, which is why I talk about it as much
00:53:36.920
as I can. But even I'm having trouble raising this subject, A, because I'm finding it difficult
00:53:42.920
to get people to talk about it. But B, because people are saying, how dare you address this issue
00:53:48.360
when you're a member of the clergy? Have you seen what the church has done in history? And it's
00:53:52.920
like, well, yes, I have. That's also evil. Any rape of children is evil. Any abuse of children is
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evil. It all needs to be addressed. However, the scandals in the church have had so much attention
00:54:03.160
because people want to tear down the church. They've had a lot of attention. These young girls
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in Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale, etc., have had no publicity because people don't want to talk about it.
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That's why I'm talking about this issue in particular.
00:54:15.080
Yes, they are more concerned with being called Islamophobic than they are being complicit in
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child rape. And that's when you know that we have completely subverted morality and we have
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completely messed up our priorities when it is worse to be perceived as a bigot than it is to allow
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and enable the rape of children. And kind of all of this conversation that we're talking about,
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some of the criticisms of the Queen and then this cover-up of this rape because these men are
00:54:48.760
Muslim, I mean, it goes back to this worldview in which all white people are oppressors,
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all non-white people are oppressed, and therefore, any scenario in which a non-white person happens to
00:55:02.440
be perpetrating something evil against a white person, we're supposed to brush it under the rug because
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it's impossible, I guess, for a non-white person to be an oppressor. And that just goes to show how
00:55:15.000
toxic and how dangerous and even how deadly this worldview can be and how unjust it can be because it
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disallows us from being able to see things as they are. It disallows us from being able to see good and
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evil as they really exist. Absolutely. And I'm mixed race. So I've got a white parent and a black
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parent, and I've seen them both be the victims of racism throughout my life. And I've been a victim
00:55:39.720
of racism from both white people and black people. In fact, at the moment in my adult life, it's more
00:55:44.280
often than not black people who are racist towards me. So I can attest to the fact that anyone can be
00:55:49.080
racist and anyone can be the victim of racism. And I cannot say that enough because this idea that only
00:55:54.280
white people are racist and white people are naturally oppressors, and only black people
00:55:58.520
are the victims of racism, and therefore they have to live in this mentality of victimhood,
00:56:02.440
is not helpful for anyone. It's not helpful to white people, it's not helpful to black people.
00:56:05.800
Black people are the people keeping other black people down with this mentality. If you tell someone
00:56:10.520
often enough that they are a victim, they will start to believe it. If you tell them often enough
00:56:14.040
that they will never achieve anything in life, they will start to believe it. And what's worse than that
00:56:18.120
is that when a black person achieves success, other black people try to drag them down by calling them
00:56:22.920
white, or saying they are somehow a traitor, an Uncle Tom, a coon, all of these horrible things,
00:56:29.880
as if success is somehow a trait of whiteness. And they don't see the irony of their ways,
00:56:35.080
these so-called racial justice warriors, or actual racial grievance peddlers. That's what they're
00:56:39.960
doing, and it's disgusting, and it's breaking down our way of life. But the problem is I don't see how
00:56:44.200
we fight back, because white people can't stand up and say, actually, I'm okay, I feel okay being white,
00:56:49.480
because they'll be seen as, you know, oppressors and white superiority. And black people or mixed
00:56:55.480
people like myself can't stand up and say, well, actually, there's nothing wrong with being white
00:56:58.840
or brown or whatever, it doesn't matter, because we'll be accused of being coons, Uncle Toms,
00:57:02.840
and race bait, race traitors. So there is no way to win this.
00:57:06.120
Yeah. Well, I agree with you that a lot of people are afraid of just standing up and saying,
00:57:11.240
you know what, I don't care what you think of me. I don't care what you call me. It is what it is.
00:57:15.960
But the more people that do, the more you can kind of push those people to the margins. I mean,
00:57:22.120
I've seen what you've been called. I've seen what you've been called simply for defending
00:57:26.280
the queen. I have some of the tweets in this document. I can't even read them because they're
00:57:30.440
so awful. Simply because you have a particular opinion, you are considered some kind of traitor in
00:57:35.720
the same way that I'm considered a traitor for not being for abortion. I'm a traitor to my gender.
00:57:42.600
These people are extremely totalitarian and authoritarian when it comes to opinions.
00:57:49.800
And that's why I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful that you do push back against the homogeny and that
00:57:57.320
you do push back against those who say that you're not allowed to have that opinion. One final thing.
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What are your thoughts on Liz Truss? Good? Bad?
00:58:08.840
I'm holding my judgment. She's far too liberal for me. But we have a strong conservative government
00:58:15.160
with a strong majority. So it would be possible for her to get a lot done. And I think she wants
00:58:19.800
to prove herself. So I'm hoping that she'll use that to her advantage and push through a load of
00:58:24.560
conservative policies to say, look, I was a Tory and I did get some stuff done. So I'm hoping and praying
00:58:28.920
she'll get rid of all this wokeness and she'll take us back to good old fashioned British values,
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Hmm. I pray so. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. I really appreciate it.