Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 12, 2022


Ep 676 ｜ Murder in Memphis, the Queen’s Death & 9⧸11 Thoughts ｜ Guest： Fr. Calvin Robinson


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00:00:00.000 A Memphis mom was murdered by a man who should have been in jail. The Tennessee town is right
00:00:06.220 now riddled with crime and chaos. So what policies are causing this? And how should
00:00:11.940 Christians respond to these tragedies? 9-11 reminds us the country we grew up in is not
00:00:18.640 coming back. And actually, that might be a good thing. I'll explain why. The Queen of England is
00:00:25.440 dead. What should we make of the criticisms of her and her reign? Was she just an evil colonizer
00:00:31.640 or a steady symbol of Christian hope? Father Calvin Robinson will help us answer those questions.
00:00:38.400 This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com
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00:00:55.440 Hey, y'all. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. If you have
00:01:01.660 not listened to yesterday's episode, it was a replay episode of an interview I did last year
00:01:07.480 with someone who survived the attack on the Pentagon in 9-11. And we specifically talked about
00:01:13.900 his ability to and his desire to, through Christ, forgive the terrorists who attacked the Pentagon
00:01:24.080 and caused him to suffer all of the wounds, both emotional and physical, that he has suffered
00:01:30.180 all of these years. Hard to believe that it has been 21 years. It's hard to believe for me that I
00:01:37.200 can remember something that happened 21 years ago, and yet I do very vividly. I remember sitting in my
00:01:43.840 fourth grade classroom. So I was nine years old, and I remember exactly what my teacher was wearing.
00:01:49.000 She had black and white pants on. She had a black shirt. I remember the lump in her throat as she passed
00:01:56.200 out these little enveloped letters for us to give to our parents when we went home. And our parents would
00:02:01.420 open up those letters and read them to us. And I remember my mom doing that in the kitchen and telling us
00:02:08.620 that there had been an attack. There had been plane crashes. Of course, in my nine-year-old mind, I didn't fully
00:02:14.420 understand what was happening. I grew up in Dallas, major city. And then, because we just didn't know
00:02:20.580 if there was still a threat of more attacks, if we would have to leave the major cities and go
00:02:26.680 somewhere more remote. And so there were a lot of questions, a lot of confusion for me at the time.
00:02:32.580 And yet, somehow, my little mind grasped in the same way that I'm sure yours did, too, if you were about
00:02:39.320 that age, that something monumental was happening, that there was a shift going on, that this wasn't
00:02:44.940 just an accident. This wasn't just another political moment. I remember the political moments
00:02:52.760 surrounding the election that happened right before that with Bush v. Gore. That's probably my first
00:02:59.340 political memory that I have. And of course, I knew my nine-year-old self somehow understood that this
00:03:06.760 was much bigger than an election, that this was much more impactful than that. And I remember the
00:03:14.840 camaraderie, the united patriotism that we felt afterwards. I remember the respect that people had for
00:03:24.460 our leaders and the renewed love that people had for our country. And that quickly faded after 9-11.
00:03:31.580 But I remember those ensuing moments. And the fact is, is that we do not live in the same country
00:03:40.600 that you and I grew up in. We just don't. And I know this is going to sound really pessimistic. And
00:03:48.080 I'll bring us back up into a little more optimism in a second. But I don't think that we will ever go
00:03:54.820 back. I don't think that we will ever have the America of the 1980s or the 1990s. It's strange to
00:04:02.760 think that after a terrorist attack and after such a contentious election, it's strange to say that
00:04:10.600 that time was a lot simpler and that we were somehow more united. And yet that's true. And I know some of
00:04:18.540 us long to go back to that time. Some of us long to go back to the America in which we grew up. And yet
00:04:25.520 I do think it's time for us to forsake that nostalgia and come to terms with the fact that we just are not
00:04:32.440 where we were. The moral, political, cultural, social, sexual revolutions have gone full steam ahead
00:04:41.400 for the past 20 years so that we do not look like the same country that we did 20 years ago.
00:04:47.760 Our differences as Americans run really deep because they're not just political. They're not
00:04:55.360 just about who we should elect. They're not just about policy, but they're really worldview disagreements.
00:05:01.780 We disagree on issues of biblical proportions. We disagree on reality itself. We disagree on how to
00:05:08.900 define what a woman is. I don't know how you come back from that. Save a great awakening. Save God's
00:05:19.260 grace pouring out on this country and manifesting itself and people opening their eyes to what is
00:05:26.840 good and right and true. And here's where the optimism comes in. I think that that can happen.
00:05:33.380 I believe that God can do that if he wants to. I believe that God can be merciful. He can bring
00:05:41.560 people to himself. He can strengthen the church. He can raise up bold, courageous, good, righteous,
00:05:49.460 just leaders. I mean, we never thought that Roe v. Wade would get overturned. We never thought that
00:05:56.300 that would happen. We just said, no, America is just hurtling closer and closer to hell. We're just
00:06:02.440 going to hell in a handbasket. Things are only going to get worse and worse until Jesus comes back.
00:06:07.340 There will be no instance of true righteousness or justice. And yet God in his mercy allowed
00:06:12.520 Roe v. Wade to be overturned. That is the result, yes, of God's providence, but also 50 years of
00:06:19.740 courageous and consistent and persistent activism by pro-lifers who didn't care about the persecution,
00:06:25.660 who didn't care about the pushback, saw the goal that they had in their sights to do everything they
00:06:33.380 can to save unborn children by changing the law to conform to that which is just. And here we are.
00:06:40.580 Here we are in the wake of the Dobbs decision, Roe v. Wade being overturned. And because of that,
00:06:46.940 now there are states doing more than they've ever been able to, to protect the lives of vulnerable,
00:06:51.960 unborn children. We never thought that that could happen. And yet things changed. Things changed for
00:06:57.220 the better because of the bravery of people, because of the boldness of people who are willing
00:07:02.040 to raise a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, because of people who understood that
00:07:06.500 politics matter, because policy matters, because people matter, and they fought and they spoke and
00:07:11.460 they lived like it. And because of the grace and the sovereignty and the mercy of God,
00:07:17.240 that happened. Roe v. Wade was overturned. And so I think it is possible for our country to change
00:07:23.780 for the better. But we need to realize that it doesn't mean going back to the 70s or 80s or 90s
00:07:30.040 or whenever you think that our heyday was, because really, if you trace a lot of the problems that we
00:07:34.960 have, whether it's gender ideology, whether it's selling our jobs over to China, whether it is the
00:07:41.380 communism that seems to pervade our public education system or our academic system or higher education
00:07:50.340 system, all of those problems really started in the age that we look back and think was the golden
00:07:56.280 age, the 50s, the 60s, the 70s and the 80s. They hadn't manifested themselves as wickedly as they have
00:08:02.700 today. But as we've talked about many times on this podcast, a lot of these ideologies started
00:08:09.900 gaining traction, at least in academic circles, 50 years ago. So I'm not really interested in going
00:08:16.800 backward. I'm interested in going forward. It is a new day. It is a new era. This is a new America.
00:08:25.300 We have new problems. We have new issues. We have different kinds of disagreements today. We're a
00:08:31.640 different kind of people than our parents' generation and our grandparents' generation. There's a lot of
00:08:38.120 bad aspects to that, but I refuse to believe that that is accidental. I refuse to believe that God
00:08:45.760 places here arbitrarily. I don't know the fate of America. I don't. I don't think that there is some
00:08:52.020 special promise that God placed in the nooks and crannies of the Bible for, you know, American
00:08:58.840 ultimate victory and sovereignty over the world. I don't think that America is God's chosen country.
00:09:05.940 All I know is that God can use brave, strong, faithful Christians to better the country in which
00:09:19.300 he has providentially and purposely placed them. And I believe that that is part of our role. I don't
00:09:28.020 believe that our primary job as Christians is to be political activists. I don't believe that the
00:09:33.920 primary way to love your neighbor is simply to vote for a candidate with good policies, but it is a
00:09:39.160 way. Just as Israel was in exile in Jeremiah 29 and God commanded them to seek the welfare of the city
00:09:47.420 in which God had placed him. So I think Christians today, if we're to abide by that same principle,
00:09:53.700 should seek the welfare, the well-being of the city, of the places, of the communities in which God
00:10:00.020 has placed us. And I do believe that maybe not in our lifetimes, but maybe in our children's lifetimes
00:10:06.240 or in our grandchildren's lifetimes, that the consequences of our faithful advocacy for that
00:10:14.660 which is good and right and true can manifest itself in really good things. I believe in the
00:10:20.520 possibility of a great awakening. I do. It's not going to look exactly like it did right after
00:10:26.260 9-11. Maybe it can be better. Maybe we can build a better country than the one that we grew up in.
00:10:32.140 It's going to take a lot of courage. It's going to take a lot of work. It's going to take putting the
00:10:36.560 right people in charge, but it's also going to take a lot of consistency at the grassroots level.
00:10:41.440 And I know that a lot of you out there, especially you moms, are doing just that. So thank you.
00:10:46.100 Keep going. Let 9-11 just be a reminder of that which we are fighting for and pushing towards for
00:10:55.120 our kids and for our grandkids.
00:11:08.420 All right. So our beloved vice president, Kamala Harris, was in an interview, doing an interview
00:11:16.480 with Chuck Todd of MSNBC on Meet the Press over the weekend. And he, in his question, compared
00:11:25.660 9-11, the terrorist attacks on 9-11 to the supposed attacks on our democracy by Americans here in the
00:11:34.640 United States. Here's what VP Harris said. Look, we're at the 21st marking, if you will,
00:11:42.040 of the September 11th attacks. This was a foreign terrorist attacking our democracy,
00:11:47.580 attacking this country. We're now as a nation battling a threat from within. Is the threat
00:11:53.160 equal or greater than what we faced after 9-11?
00:11:58.460 That's an interesting question. I have held many elected offices as district attorney, attorney,
00:12:05.120 general senator, now vice president. And there's an oath that we always take, which is to defend and
00:12:12.720 uphold our constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. We don't compare the two in the oath,
00:12:20.800 but we know they both can exist and we must defend against it.
00:12:25.000 Oh, all right. You know that we launched a war to kill the foreign enemies that attacked us on 9-11.
00:12:36.640 And in light of President Biden's speech, which we analyzed last week, go back and listen to that
00:12:41.720 episode if you haven't already. Like, what do you think, what do you think they're alluding to?
00:12:48.440 What do you think that they are actually implying here? I mean, remember, President Biden, against
00:12:55.180 the blood red wall behind him, flanked by members of our military, said that quote unquote MAGA
00:13:01.400 Republicans are an enemy to the republic, are a threat to democracy. And he tried to say, oh,
00:13:07.960 they're just fringe Republicans. But then in the next breath, he contradicts himself by describing who
00:13:12.480 these supposed extremist Republicans are, people who are pro-life, people who basically disagree
00:13:19.280 with his regime. So here is Vice President Harris doubling down on that, doubling down on what the
00:13:29.400 MSNBC commentators have been saying recently, that apparently we're already in a civil war.
00:13:36.000 Again, we talked about that last week. Kathy Griffin, Griffith, Griffin, I can never remember.
00:13:40.960 She's a comedian. And she tweeted last week, if you want a civil war, don't vote for Democrats.
00:13:49.700 If you or if you want a civil war, then you should vote Republican. If you don't want a civil war,
00:13:55.180 vote Democrats. What's that supposed to mean? Is that a threat that if people vote Republican and
00:14:00.300 Republicans take over both the House and the Senate, that Democrats are going to launch a civil war?
00:14:04.880 On MSNBC last week, they said they think the civil war has already started. Yeah, we've already seen
00:14:10.320 that with the DOJ going after Biden's political opponents. Tristan Snell, he is a lawyer. He
00:14:19.580 prosecuted Trump University. He's a former assistant attorney general for New York State, commentator
00:14:26.480 for MSNBC and CNN. He tweeted yesterday, September 11th was a terrorist attack. January 6th was a terrorist
00:14:32.800 attack. So we're supposed to, you see, we're supposed to draw an equivalence here. So the people who
00:14:37.540 rioted, and that's what I call it, I think it's a riot, the people who rioted on January 6th,
00:14:45.000 who did not kill anyone, who were unarmed. I'm not defending a lot of the things that I saw,
00:14:50.860 a lot of the violence that I saw. I think it's inexcusable. But we're talking about unarmed people
00:14:56.800 rioting, not killing anyone, versus foreign terrorists who murdered almost 3,000 people.
00:15:06.160 So tell me how these things are the same. Tell me how these things are the same. Like you've seen
00:15:12.000 some of the people that have gotten prosecuted for just being there on January 6th. I mean,
00:15:16.620 we're talking about grandparents. We're talking about nonviolent offenders. We're talking about
00:15:22.180 people who maybe shouldn't have been doing certain things, getting the book thrown at them when
00:15:27.140 literal murderers are walking the streets in Democrat cities in the name of social justice.
00:15:34.940 So tell me again how these two things are the same. Oh, and by the way, apparently the Biden
00:15:41.560 administration, CBS News confirmed this, that military prosecutors and defense attorneys,
00:15:47.100 rather, are negotiating potential plea deals that could take the death penalty off the table for the
00:15:52.840 five defendants accused in the 9-11 attacks. That is the definition of injustice.
00:15:59.340 So on the 21st anniversary of 9-11, we're hearing that military prosecutors are trying to get a lighter
00:16:07.640 sentence, a lighter punishment for the terrorists that murdered thousands and thousands of people,
00:16:13.360 thousands and thousands of innocent Americans. My only question is, why are they still alive?
00:16:18.780 Why have they been allowed to breathe all of these years? The only just consequence
00:16:24.220 of that kind of crime is the death penalty. And as we'll talk about in a minute, really the only
00:16:30.940 just punishment for any murder that is proven is the death penalty. And right now they're trying to
00:16:41.420 get a lighter sentence for these terrorists who murdered thousands of people. It's really amazing
00:16:47.060 just how our morality and our sense of justice in this country has completely crumbled. And look,
00:16:54.120 being declared enemies of the state by these kinds of people who really have no sense of justice
00:17:00.340 means that we're living through really scary times. You who thought that you were just living a normal,
00:17:06.260 quiet, productive life by working hard, raising a family, going to church, helping your community,
00:17:13.460 because you vote Republican, because you're against abortion, because you oppose the gender
00:17:18.960 mutilation of children, you are considered a domestic enemy of the state by this administration
00:17:25.000 and their cronies in the media. And again, do not think that they distinguish between you
00:17:30.360 and those who rioted on January 6th. Biden made clear in that speech that he considers pro-lifers to be
00:17:37.480 extreme. This administration has already declared their intent to go after concerned parents at school
00:17:42.180 board meetings who take issue with their children seeing pornography at school library. When they
00:17:47.960 said extreme, radical threat, a domestic threat to the Constitution, they mean you and me. Those of us
00:17:56.940 who simply believe the things that Christians for thousands of years have believed about, the sacredness
00:18:02.800 of human life, the reality of male and female, the role of parents and the family versus the state.
00:18:07.700 We, they say, who live quiet and peaceful lives are the threat, even as they have nothing to say
00:18:15.080 about the consistent and destructive political violence on their own side, even as they work hand
00:18:20.980 in glove with major corporations like Google and Facebook and Twitter to punish speech that they
00:18:26.020 find disagreeable. And as I said last week, in a sense, they are right. Even though you are a peaceful
00:18:34.700 person, you are a threat because you are a threat to secular progressivism by standing, again, for that
00:18:41.320 which is good, that which is right, that which is true. By simply teaching your children what is right,
00:18:46.960 by pushing back against the darkness in every sphere you occupy, whether it's at work or at school,
00:18:51.880 you are a threat to the dark and destructive ideology that the ruling class represents. So you should
00:18:57.960 just embrace that. Look, Christians have always been a hindrance to tyranny. We have always been a boil
00:19:04.280 on the back of dictators. We have always been an obstacle for totalitarians, both privately and
00:19:09.960 publicly. Christians throughout history have defied the fascists and the communists and the wicked
00:19:14.880 monarchs and the powerful oppressors. Our strategy of opposition will change in America as the moment
00:19:21.120 demands. But if there is one thing you must never do in an age of intense hostility against the truth,
00:19:28.840 that is lie. Do not lie. If there's nothing else that you can do, do not lie. Never say something
00:19:37.780 or affirm something that is not true just to make your life easier. Root yourself in what is true as a
00:19:45.380 Christian. That in itself is opposition to the totalitarian depravity of today. Root yourself in
00:19:52.960 that which is biblically true, morally true, factually true, and do not swerve from it. Remember,
00:19:59.400 two and two will always make four. You remember the end of 1984 when Winston finally gave in to
00:20:08.200 Big Brother's determination of what reality is, even though he really knew it wasn't true?
00:20:13.340 Don't do it. Don't give in. Two and two will always make four. Make sure you know it. Make sure
00:20:20.520 your children know it. All right. I want to talk about what's going on in Memphis right now and
00:20:25.940 what our response should be to that.
00:20:28.240 All right. I want to talk a little bit about what is going on in Memphis. As you guys know,
00:20:43.640 we briefly talked about this last week. A woman by the name of Eliza Fletcher, she was a preschool
00:20:51.040 teacher in Memphis, a mom of two young boys, a wife. She was abducted and killed while on her
00:20:59.040 morning run by a man by the name of Cleotha Abston Henderson. He has now been charged with her
00:21:08.060 kidnapping and murder. He had been released four years early after serving 20 years of a 24-year
00:21:14.900 sentence in the May 2000 abduction and robbery of attorney Kemper Durant. And, you know, last week
00:21:22.040 I said that this I don't know that this was a result of social justice or soft on crime policies
00:21:27.380 because this man who abducted her had been 16 in 2000 when he committed his crime. He served about 20
00:21:35.080 years of his 25-year sentence. And so that seems to be a just consequence for the crime that he
00:21:46.180 committed. But after thinking about it and researching it, really, it is an issue of being
00:21:52.200 soft on crime. Tennessee actually just passed a law that just went into place that says that all
00:21:57.380 violent criminals have to serve 100 percent of their sentence because that wasn't happening,
00:22:02.420 especially in liberal cities like Memphis. Had this guy not been released, had he been able to
00:22:09.020 or been forced to serve out his full sentence, Eliza would still be alive. Now, maybe there are other
00:22:16.360 problems with our justice system. You could say, well, he just would have murdered someone else later on.
00:22:22.160 Maybe. We don't know that. The fact of the matter is he should have stayed in prison for as long as
00:22:27.600 possible and Eliza would still be living and these boys would still have a mother.
00:22:33.040 Now, this is not the only thing that has gone on. This is not the only tragedy that has gone on
00:22:38.060 in Memphis over the past few days. There was a mom and her one-year-old baby who were abducted from
00:22:48.280 Target and were forced to go to an ATM, get out hundreds of dollars, and actually the kidnappers
00:22:54.860 brought them back to Target. Thank God. And then there was a man going on a shooting spree in
00:23:02.360 Memphis. He actually fled Memphis. I think he made his way to Arkansas that killed several people,
00:23:07.860 including a young woman, including a mom of young children. And when they took him in,
00:23:15.160 they finally did catch him and arrest him. He grinned for his mugshot. So just really ugly,
00:23:20.380 evil stuff. And now the Memphis PD is looking for two black males between the ages of 18 and 21.
00:23:28.380 That's what the description says that videoed themselves saying white folks fixing to not
00:23:33.560 like black people. They're fixing to be marching by the riverside. White lives matter.
00:23:37.440 He already shot an old man. I'm fixing to shoot an old white lady. One of the men was arrested on
00:23:45.240 September 10th. His name is Reginald Williams. And so we've got a lot of problems going on in
00:23:51.160 Memphis. And now people who have lived in Memphis for a long time can tell you that this city has
00:23:56.120 had problems for a while, maybe for decades, but they've just gotten worse and worse. I went to
00:24:02.500 school in South Carolina. It's pretty common for people in Tennessee, Nashville, and in Memphis to
00:24:09.720 go to the school, Furman, that I attended. So I had a few friends that grew up in Memphis.
00:24:14.000 And they told me then that there were only parts of Memphis that were really considered safe and
00:24:19.760 that a large portion of the city you just couldn't go to. And Tucker Carlson made the point on his show,
00:24:26.760 which I thought was really good last week when he was talking about the Eliza Fletcher tragedy,
00:24:32.820 that there should be nowhere in the United States where you cannot go outside. It shouldn't be
00:24:39.680 commonplace for us to say, oh, you can't walk there without getting murdered or raped. Oh, you can't go
00:24:45.920 on a run at that time of night because you might get kidnapped and killed. That's something that you
00:24:51.780 should be afraid of, perhaps in a third world country. That is not something that we should fear
00:24:57.020 in the United States of America. And yet we do. We've just accepted it. We've just decided, oh,
00:25:02.960 yeah, that's fine. That's just how it is. Those are the other side of the tracks. And you just can't
00:25:07.880 go over there because you might get sexually assaulted and you might not make it back alive.
00:25:12.040 We've just accepted that as normal and it shouldn't be. These are the results in a lot of ways of policy.
00:25:17.660 Now, not all evil is the result of politicians. It's not like we can, you know, construct a society
00:25:26.300 in which sin doesn't exist. Sin, of course, is pre-civilizational, but we can put laws and
00:25:34.080 policies in place that disincentivize people as much as possible to commit these kinds of atrocities.
00:25:41.020 And in a place like Memphis, which has been run by liberals for a very long time, you just don't
00:25:49.780 have those kinds of safeguards in place. If we look at some of the people who run the city,
00:25:57.020 the mayor, Jim Strickland, he's a Democrat. Violent crime has only gotten worse under his watch.
00:26:03.780 If you look at the city council, it has four conservative members, but nine progressive members.
00:26:10.560 The district attorney for Shelby County is Steven Mulroy. He is a progressive. He previously was
00:26:16.580 on the Shelby County Commission and he championed an animal welfare ordinance. Not saying that's bad,
00:26:22.540 but I mean, just look on, look on the, look at the priority list here. He also ran and won on the
00:26:28.940 promise to implement, quote unquote, restorative justice practices. Yeah. What that means is soft on
00:26:35.520 crime. And here we go. Here's what he believes. This is what's causing all these soft on crime
00:26:40.900 policies and social justice policies that are actually killing people in Democrat run cities
00:26:46.080 across the country. He said, if we can reduce the systemic discrimination that occurs in our system
00:26:52.160 and reduce the burden on innocent people and restore the public's trust and the fairness of
00:26:55.900 our system in the community, especially the African-American community, will cooperate with law
00:26:59.900 enforcement and provide tips and witnesses and reports crimes, I promise you that that is not
00:27:04.720 how it's going to go. And that might sound good. That might sound just and fair, but I assure you
00:27:10.480 it translates in to just being soft on crime, letting people out of prison, letting people out of jail,
00:27:18.440 setting low, setting low bails just to try to meet some kind of equity racial quota. The police chief,
00:27:27.400 he is the past president of the National Organization of Black Law Enforcement Executives.
00:27:32.340 He testified before the Senate Judiciary Committee on the matter of police reform after the George Floyd
00:27:38.700 incident. He was appointed to the Racial Equity and Criminal Justice Task Force. I'm not saying that all of
00:27:47.160 these policies and programs are universally bad. I am saying that obviously the priorities are not
00:27:54.460 straight in the city of Memphis. Crime is being incentivized. The punishments aren't harsh enough
00:28:02.220 and the innocent people aren't being protected and therefore the pockets of safety, the pockets of
00:28:08.600 safety are getting smaller and smaller. There are some policies, specific policies. Inmates are first
00:28:14.660 eligible for release or parole after 20% of the actual sentence is imposed minus the credit such as good
00:28:21.360 behavior or work credits. That's why this Cleotha guy was out because he got out of prison early for
00:28:27.040 quote-unquote good behavior. And then as I said, this new law, this truth in sentencing now forces
00:28:36.240 these kinds of inmates to serve 100% of their sentencing, but that wasn't in place when this guy
00:28:42.840 got out of jail and was able to murder this young mom. So here's the deal. My heart hurts for Eliza and
00:28:55.240 the pain that she endured. I don't know. I don't know her, but it's easy as a young mom of two kids
00:29:03.800 myself to see myself reflected in her. And that's not to make it about me. I think that's human nature
00:29:11.520 that is part of healthy empathy. It's easy for me to look at her life and to see my babies reflected in her
00:29:18.380 babies, to see my husband reflected in hers, and therefore it's not at all difficult to imagine what this
00:29:24.560 family must be going through, to imagine the fear and the pain that she felt when she was being kidnapped
00:29:29.840 and murdered and how confused and distraught her boys must be. And we should be praying for this family, that the
00:29:35.680 community of God would rally around them, that somehow the gospel would be shown and that God
00:29:41.360 would bring good things out of this because only he can do that. And I pray that this murderer, that he
00:29:48.060 would come to know Christ through the gospel and that he and Eliza would be worshiping in heaven together
00:29:54.100 forever. The gospel can do that. God can do that. God's grace can do that. And I hope, I hope that that's
00:30:01.660 what happens. And I'm also, I'm thankful for the Memphis community, how they are coming together.
00:30:07.520 There was kind of a vigil type run where they finished Eliza's run last week in her honor. And so
00:30:14.960 I'm thankful for how the people of God and how the church and how this community is already showing up.
00:30:21.780 So I'm praying for them and I am hoping that God is glorified through this. But I also hope
00:30:30.840 that this is a wake-up call for people for a few reasons. And let me just say this, and I know this
00:30:40.140 kind of offends people, but look, social justice kills. It kills. It is not just. And here's what I
00:30:48.500 mean, is that this aspect of social justice as criminal justice reform, and that typically means
00:30:55.540 a lot of things, but most of it has to do with letting criminals out of jail before they should be out of
00:31:00.540 jail. This is done in the name of racial justice, because just to put it, put it plainly, there are
00:31:06.240 a disproportionate number of black people in jail. So in order to create so-called equity, which
00:31:10.740 progressives have defined as equal outcomes in order to lower the rate of black people in jail and make
00:31:15.700 it closer to the proportion of white people in jail, soft on crime policies are adopted because
00:31:21.620 unfortunately there is a disproportionate number of black men that commit violent crimes. It is
00:31:26.880 completely disproportionate to their population size. This is all population size. This is all
00:31:34.640 according to FBI crime data. And also an uncomfortable truth is that according to this data, it is far more
00:31:42.120 likely for the kinds of crimes that we saw against Eliza Black on white crime to occur than on the other
00:31:48.680 way around. And the reason why I bring that up is to just show the duplicity of our national
00:31:55.000 narrative about right and wrong and about crime. Her murder is not going to spark a national
00:32:00.900 conversation about white victimization. Like, do you see your favorite Christian influencers talking
00:32:06.320 about the need for racial reconciliation because of what happened to Eliza and doing the work and
00:32:12.260 injustice and systemic oppression? Do you see people trying to put the guilt on other black people
00:32:17.380 because of what happened to Eliza? Did she get a social media post from the people who are always
00:32:22.980 ready to jump on any false narrative that includes a black victim and a white perpetrator? Have you
00:32:27.780 seen social justice activists saying, oh, white women can't even jog without being hunted down? Justice
00:32:32.680 for Eliza? Now, I don't think that we should be seeing those things because I don't think that this
00:32:39.320 crime was connected to race. We have no indication that it was, but we have just as much evidence that her
00:32:45.680 murder had to do with race as we do, say, George Floyd. And yet one was automatically assumed to be about
00:32:52.500 race and the other one no one even questions. And I'm just trying to get you to see through this example
00:32:58.040 how convoluted our conversations are about right and wrong in this country, justice and injustice, how our
00:33:04.580 insistence upon racializing narratives and not racializing others is making us really undiscerning in our
00:33:11.380 judgment, both in what we say and who a lot of people vote for. The truth is, it's trendy to say that a police
00:33:18.200 killing a black man is racist, even when we have no proof showing racial motivations. It's not trendy to say
00:33:25.100 that a black man killing a white woman is racist. That's what it comes down to. It comes down to what is popular
00:33:30.220 and what's not. The people you see posting a black square for George Floyd, but barely saying a peep about this
00:33:35.840 or Justine Damon, the white woman murdered point blank by a black police officer a few years ago, simply allow their
00:33:42.360 outrage and compassion to be dictated by whatever social media says is right. And that is not. God help
00:33:48.980 us all. All of us. That is not how the people of God should see and respond to the world. The way
00:33:55.080 progressive social justice activists see and respond to the world is not biblical or historically true as a
00:34:01.060 world categorized by white oppressors and non-white oppressed. I promise you God does not see Eliza as the
00:34:07.460 oppressor and this murderer as oppressed. I promise you this dude is not let off the hook by God because
00:34:12.660 his grandparents might have lived through Jim Crow. I promise God is not weighing Eliza's or anyone's
00:34:19.000 white privilege when he is deciding whether they are a victim or not. God is not debating whether a
00:34:23.900 black person can be racist because racism is technically prejudice plus power and black people don't have any
00:34:29.020 power. That is a ludicrous, deluded way of thinking, and it is not for those who follow Christ.
00:34:34.120 We serve an impartial God. He does not show favoritism to the rich, to the poor, to the mighty,
00:34:40.760 to the weak, to the black, to the white. He judges righteously. He judges perfectly. He judges between
00:34:46.480 good and evil. He does not calculate your melanin or that of your ancestors in his judgments.
00:34:51.220 Righteousness in this case, as with all murder cases, would be the death penalty. Genesis 9-6,
00:34:57.560 before Israel, before civilization, the death penalty is demanded by God for murder because of a reason
00:35:02.780 that transcends time and culture and is not negated by Jesus' death and resurrection, and that is
00:35:07.740 because we are made in his image. Death penalty should be the punishment for all capital murder.
00:35:14.780 We should be tough on crime. We should do our best to rehabilitate and reintroduce those who can be
00:35:20.060 rehabilitated and reintroduced. I am for, for example, restoring voting rights to people who have served
00:35:25.700 their sentences and are back in society. I am for doing everything we can to secure
00:35:30.460 employment, even if that is some kind of effective government program. I am not against that. I am for
00:35:37.780 that. I want people to be rehabilitated, reintroduced, restored when that is possible, when that is
00:35:45.440 feasible, when that is safe. But I am not for soft on crime policies for the sake of so-called
00:35:52.680 superficial equity and deadly social justice. Now, as I said, I hope this man comes to Christ.
00:36:00.320 I hope that he repents. I hope that he's redeemed and that we see him in heaven one day. If Eliza
00:36:05.840 was a believer, and I believe she was, that would mean that Eliza and her murder would be worshiping
00:36:12.200 their Savior together for all of eternity. Only God can do that. As I said earlier, only the gospel
00:36:18.720 can do that. I mean, right now in heaven, there are murderers and their victims fully reconciled to God
00:36:24.200 and to each other through Christ, fully forgiven and complete and whole, worshiping together. And
00:36:29.040 that's what God can do. So what I take from this, in addition to just like the personal anguish and
00:36:36.000 sadness that I know this community feels and just feeling for them and praying for them personally,
00:36:41.360 for God to minister to them, like I also want us to see something like this and be smart
00:36:46.160 and to think a little bit harder, to think harder politically, to think harder morally, to think
00:36:52.320 harder theologically. All of these, all tragedies and all of these tense political moments should
00:36:59.320 cause us to think a little bit more deeply about what is actually true and about what actually works.
00:37:16.160 We've got with us Father Calvin Robinson again. Thank you so much for joining us. First, just give me your
00:37:24.000 immediate reaction when you found out first that she, that the Queen was seriously ill, that the family
00:37:31.580 was coming to visit her, and then when you found out that she had actually died.
00:37:35.480 I was on, I believe, Megyn Kelly's show at the time of the announcement of the Queen being seriously
00:37:41.640 ill. And we were gathering at that time that this really was seriously ill. It was the end of her life. And
00:37:48.520 it's the most difficult interview I've ever done, because I don't get nervous doing interviews, but I was
00:37:52.920 really, really anxious, because this is someone that we as a nation see as a grandmother figure. You know, she's the
00:37:59.480 glue, the physical embodiment of our constitution, and we've had her on the throne for over 70 years. We
00:38:06.360 don't know anything else. So it's been an interesting time this week. And then, of course, later that day,
00:38:14.040 I was in the newsroom, actually, as we heard that the announcement was coming any moment. And I thought,
00:38:20.840 this is it. And I was supposed to be actually, I was supposed to be on air. And I thank God that I
00:38:26.520 wasn't on air at the time, because I'm relatively new to my ministry. And I've, you know, I've
00:38:32.280 assisted at funerals, and I've comforted people mourning for other priests and vicars, but I
00:38:38.920 haven't actually lost anyone in my own flock yet. And I don't think I would like the responsibility of
00:38:44.120 being the clerical on the news at the time that it was breaking. And that was such a big responsibility
00:38:51.240 that I was thankful that I managed to dodge that, actually. But then later that day, after I'd had the
00:38:55.720 time to compose my thoughts and to pray on the situation I was then on air and able to
00:39:02.840 just provide a sense of witness, I think, because the reason I've been doing so much media this week,
00:39:07.960 in the UK, in the US and Australia, is because everyone's talking about the Queen's legacy.
00:39:13.320 Everyone's talking about the history, the historical importance of having someone reign for so long,
00:39:18.120 etc. But no one is really talking about the most important factor. And that is Her Majesty's faith,
00:39:23.640 because Her Majesty's faith in Christ was the rocks, the foundations of her leaderships,
00:39:29.720 from her leadership style, to being, you know, a servant leader, to actually the content of her
00:39:36.840 character and content of her speeches and everything about her. She focused on Jesus Christ at the
00:39:43.240 forefront of her life. And I think that really showed in the style of monarch that she was. And I
00:39:48.760 think that's the most important thing for people to hear at a time like this, especially when we're
00:39:53.880 all suffering a loss, is that there is always hope. And that hope is through the resurrection,
00:39:58.520 that the resurrection is through our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, who is the resurrection and
00:40:02.600 the life. And he said that whoever believes in him, even if you die, you will live. And I think that's
00:40:07.640 the message that people need to hear right now.
00:40:09.240 Yes, I know that people in the US and elsewhere understand that she has been a steady figure
00:40:15.080 through all of the different, I don't know if you want to call them scandals, but her family
00:40:23.000 has endured over the past few decades, but also the turbulence of the UK. She has remained steadfast
00:40:31.240 and steady and apolitical. But I don't hear, as you said, a lot of people attributing that to her
00:40:37.160 faith in the gospel. And to be honest, that's not really something that I knew. I knew that probably
00:40:42.600 in general, she held to a Christian faith, but I had really never heard her talk about Jesus until
00:40:49.880 people like you were pointing out that in a lot of her speeches, she used him as an example for morality,
00:40:58.040 as the center of family life. Can you tell us just a little bit more about that? When you're thinking
00:41:03.000 back about her legacy of faith and some of the things that she said, what is it that really
00:41:07.720 stands out to you? Is there a particular speech or particular quote that comes from her that
00:41:11.960 you think really sums up her faith?
00:41:13.880 I'll give you a couple of examples. So on the year that her father died in 1952,
00:41:19.400 she assumed the position of the queen before she was crowned, of course, because it takes a long time
00:41:24.360 for the ceremony to be planned. So in the time between her father's death and her coronation,
00:41:29.800 she delivered a message to the people. And she said, pray for me, that God may give me wisdom
00:41:34.920 and strength to carry out the solemn promise I shall be making, and that I may faithfully serve
00:41:39.400 him and you all the days of my life. And that one is probably her first public message as the queen,
00:41:45.320 but also the one that stands out to me as the most important, because those words pretty much define
00:41:49.720 her life. She did serve him and us as a people, as a commonwealth of nations, but also as Brits for the
00:41:55.800 entirety of her life. Just two days before she died, she swore in the new prime minister of the
00:42:01.480 United Kingdom. Like, she did not stop working at all. And that is a true, that's a person who
00:42:07.880 understands duty and service and obligation. And I think it's very clear where she got that from,
00:42:12.360 because later on she said, for me, the teachings of Christ and my own personal accountability before
00:42:18.760 God provide a framework in which I lead my life. So there again, she's backing it up, as in this is where
00:42:24.360 she's getting the instructions or the commandments to lead her life, but also
00:42:28.920 the accountability before God. For any leader, I think that's important, but especially for someone
00:42:34.840 as high up as the queen. There are very few people in the world who have more accountability than Her
00:42:41.720 Majesty the Queen. So it's important for her to have some accountability too. And the fact that she
00:42:45.880 recognized that she's accountable to God tells me everything that I need to know about her style.
00:42:50.040 Well, I think that we would all be better off if more politicians, not that she's a politician,
00:42:54.360 but more leaders and representatives believed that they were going to be held accountable to God and
00:42:59.640 that they weren't just accountable to themselves. That would solve a whole lot of problems. Now,
00:43:04.360 you are very familiar with the different kinds of criticisms of the queen that have surfaced over the
00:43:12.920 past few days since her death. Obviously, a lot of these criticisms existed before her death,
00:43:18.360 but for some reason, people feel that at the moment of someone's death, that that is just the right
00:43:24.040 time to level some of the worst criticisms against them that you can imagine. So from a lot of people
00:43:29.080 on the left, it's that she was this vicious imperialist colonizer that presided over the oppression
00:43:35.960 of black and brown people around the world. And then I'm seeing some criticism from people,
00:43:41.880 I don't know if it's on the right, but I don't know, some people somewhere on the political
00:43:46.280 spectrum saying, you know, she was actually not conservative enough, or she and her family were
00:43:53.000 representatives of the World Economic Forum. And I don't know, some shady business went on there.
00:43:59.640 She's not what you think. That's maybe a little bit less academic, but I'm seeing some of that
00:44:06.440 criticism online. So kind of what's your response to the people saying, no, no, no, the queen wasn't
00:44:12.680 this person that we should be respecting, and we shouldn't even be mourning this death?
00:44:18.520 Firstly, it tells me how crass people can be, and how tasteless people can be. The fact that,
00:44:23.640 you know, we have we have a mourning period for 10 days. And I think that anyone that's got an element
00:44:29.080 of respect would at least let people mourn, even if you don't respect the queen herself,
00:44:33.560 respect other people and their rights to mourn and grieve her loss. But people that can't do that
00:44:40.120 are putting their own political ideologies above their compassion and their humanity. And that shows
00:44:44.920 me that they lack faith, they lack love, they lack Christ in their lives, to be honest with you. A lot
00:44:49.240 of these people, especially this Dr. Uju, and there's Travis Sinclair, there are a number of people who said
00:44:56.360 some really, really horrible things. I'm talking about high profile people saying things like,
00:45:00.280 I hope she died in excruciating pain. Yes. And just so people know, Dr. Uju Anya,
00:45:06.600 she is a professor at Carnegie Mellon University. She tweeted, I heard the chief monarch of a thieving,
00:45:12.440 raping, genocidal empire is finally dying. And then just to add on to that, may her pain be excruciating.
00:45:20.760 So just so people know, we're not just saying some people. I mean, these are reactions that were said
00:45:28.360 by blue check marks professors on Twitter after she died.
00:45:33.320 Absolutely. And the level of, well, I'm not going to miss my words, the level of evil at play here
00:45:38.520 is horrible to see. Wishing death upon anyone is bad enough, but wishing excruciating pain in their death
00:45:45.400 is just, it's beyond words. I can't contemplate who I would possibly hate enough to feel that way
00:45:51.000 about them. So I put out a message in response saying, you know, you've clearly got hatred in
00:45:56.600 your heart. I pray that you find peace. Whatever's bugging you, I pray you get past it. Something along
00:46:02.520 those lines. And the response I received, as a result of that, I've never seen anything like it.
00:46:08.040 You know, I've seen, I've received abuse in my time on social media, as I'm sure we all have.
00:46:12.760 But the racism, the vitriol, a lot of it comes from African Americans actually. And I don't
00:46:18.600 understand why the queen is such a figurehead for them, but it seems to be that they are conflating
00:46:23.160 American racial politics with British politics once again. And it doesn't make any sense. These
00:46:27.160 people calling the queen imperial or a colonizer or, you know, the wording about raping
00:46:34.200 different cultures and stuff is all, it's historically incorrect. Her Majesty the Queen
00:46:40.120 came to the throne at the height of an empire. And by the end of it, there was no empire left.
00:46:44.920 So she's the biggest decolonizer in history. She left behind a legacy of voluntary community
00:46:52.120 spirits. The Commonwealth of Nations is a group that people join voluntarily. And actually,
00:46:57.720 a lot of former French colonies have joined the British Commonwealth of Nations because they see the
00:47:01.720 success of the camaraderie of it. And it's a great thing. It's a great legacy, not just for trade,
00:47:06.840 but for sports and just family. The true sense of community is a good thing. But to suggest that
00:47:13.640 the queen herself is somehow guilty for the sins of her forebears, again, it's that original sin of
00:47:19.480 whiteness. Just being white makes you guilty of something that your family may or may not have committed
00:47:24.760 in the past. Certain elements of our society need to get over this because it's toxic, it's divisive,
00:47:31.160 and it's not going to help social cohesion. And Her Majesty the Queen was a unifying figure. She
00:47:35.560 brought us all together. She was a figurehead of our nation, not just our nation, but a lot of people
00:47:39.880 around the world, you know, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, they all have the queen as their head of
00:47:43.880 state too. And she's the thing that brings us together because other nations don't have a physical
00:47:49.240 embodiment. And, you know, I think we've alluded to this before that in America, you've got your flag,
00:47:54.280 that's something you can identify with. That's great, but it's not the same as a living,
00:47:57.720 breathing person who represents you. And also our politics at the time, right now, is becoming so
00:48:04.280 divided, you know, between the Democrats, the Republicans, or Labour and the Conservatives.
00:48:09.240 And with each new leader, they go slightly further, not necessarily to the right or left, but slightly
00:48:14.760 further apart. And having someone who's apolitical, that is the glue holding everything else together,
00:48:21.480 which is what Her Majesty the Queen was. That's the purpose of a constitutional monarchy. It's a
00:48:26.200 beautiful thing.
00:48:26.760 And tell me what you think about King Charles. Some people are worried about
00:48:31.800 him not being as loyal to the interests of England. And perhaps, I think I saw you comment
00:48:37.080 on this kind of being bought by the World Economic Forum. People are concerned about that. What are your
00:48:42.840 thoughts?
00:48:44.360 I'm also concerned. He is a member or has been a member of the WEF. He's friends with Klaus Schwab.
00:48:52.200 He's, you know, he goes to these events in Davos and mingles with the billionaires and the global
00:48:57.400 elites and the influencers. I think it's because he is such an avid supporter of the green agenda,
00:49:03.560 you know, net zero policies are his bread and butter. He's been an environmentalist all his life.
00:49:07.720 I think that is what his main concern is. But I do understand that now that he is king, he
00:49:13.160 appreciates that he's no longer a prince. He's no longer free to have political opinions.
00:49:17.800 He does have to be apolitical. And he said that he's going to take that role seriously.
00:49:22.360 So I'm going to try and give him the benefit of the doubt as much as you can.
00:49:25.960 Try and be charitable and take him at his word. It is difficult. It really is because we are fighting
00:49:31.800 a global evil. We are fighting a spiritual war and the WEF has chosen the wrong side in this war.
00:49:36.360 Some would say they are the wrong side of this war. So it's difficult to have a sovereign that
00:49:42.600 is linked to them. But I'm hoping and praying that he's going to separate himself from that.
00:49:47.640 My other major concern with King Charles III is that he talks about this country being a country
00:49:53.800 of multiple faiths and multiple cultures. And yes, it is. And of course, we have to be tolerant of
00:49:59.960 all different faiths and cultures as best we can. But we have to identify that this is a Christian
00:50:04.440 country. And we have a Christian faith. And they are the things that we need to be defending
00:50:09.560 and promoting. And the king as defender of the faith and supreme governor of the church
00:50:14.920 should be doing that first before addressing any others.
00:50:17.400 Hmm. Do you have hope that there will ever be another figure as unifying, as steady as Queen Elizabeth?
00:50:27.000 I mean, I personally don't think it's probably going to be King Charles, but somewhere down the line.
00:50:33.800 Perhaps. But then again, she is a once in a generation figure. She's broken so many records.
00:50:40.520 I think she has the second longest reign in the world in the entirety of history. The only person
00:50:47.160 who reigned longer than her was King Louis. And that's just because he came to the throne as a baby.
00:50:51.720 So I think we're all going to look back at some point in the future and think that the Elizabethan
00:50:57.240 period was special. It was different. I don't think we'll get anyone like her. It doesn't mean we won't
00:51:02.360 get other good leaders. And I think Prince William is showing signs of potentially being a good king.
00:51:07.160 And Cates or Catherine is looking like a good queen. But they too have some links that concern me. So
00:51:14.760 let's see how they've managed to separate themselves from the political life and focus on service and duty.
00:51:21.080 Yeah, let's hope for the best for sure. And obviously, we continue to pray for our leaders,
00:51:24.840 no matter who they are, what their political affiliations are. And God is sovereign. So
00:51:29.880 I do hope the best. I hope the best for the leadership of the UK, just like I do here.
00:51:33.800 Okay, I want to talk a little bit, we don't have too much time. But because I saw you tweet about this
00:51:37.960 a few weeks ago, and because it seems really important, I want to hear, I want to hear a little bit
00:51:44.040 more about the Rotherham. I hope that I'm pronouncing that correctly. Child sexual exploitation
00:51:50.840 scandal. You tweeted on August 21. Recent report estimates over 1400 children were sexually abused
00:51:56.280 in Rotherham in the past decade. How has the government awarded Rotherham 1.8 million pounds
00:52:01.880 in the title of UK's first children's capital of culture? So what in the world is happening here?
00:52:08.040 Good question. The problem with Rotherham, and it's not just in Rotherham, there are many cities and
00:52:14.360 towns around the UK, Telford, Rochdale, there are plenty of them where we've had, I'm not going to
00:52:22.120 call them, the press calls them grooming gang scandals. They are Pakistani Muslim gang rapists.
00:52:27.880 And what they do is they take young white girls, and they rape them and pass them around and use them as
00:52:34.680 a novelty. And it is cultural, it is disgusting. But the worst thing about it is that it's been swept
00:52:40.920 under the rug by the police, who have questioned these girls and said, you know, is this a lifestyle
00:52:46.120 choice? Are you a child prostitute? As if that's a thing? Did you consent? A child cannot consent to sex.
00:52:53.960 By definition, it is rape. So this is from the police. And then we've got the council above
00:52:58.440 the police covering it up. We've got the councillors, the safeguarding people who are
00:53:03.560 supposed to be looking out for young girls, covering it up. And then it goes all the way
00:53:07.400 up to the government, the Labour government and the Conservative government both covering it up.
00:53:11.320 And it seems to me that the main issue was that they were petrified that people would find out that
00:53:17.000 these are Pakistani Muslims that are committing these atrocities, because they don't want a race war in
00:53:22.360 this country. So for the sake of diversity, they've sacrificed the lives of young white girls,
00:53:28.520 young British white girls. And I think it's a disgusting evil that needs to be talked about
00:53:33.080 more. But even the press is afraid of touching this topic, which is why I talk about it as much
00:53:36.920 as I can. But even I'm having trouble raising this subject, A, because I'm finding it difficult
00:53:42.920 to get people to talk about it. But B, because people are saying, how dare you address this issue
00:53:48.360 when you're a member of the clergy? Have you seen what the church has done in history? And it's
00:53:52.920 like, well, yes, I have. That's also evil. Any rape of children is evil. Any abuse of children is
00:53:58.520 evil. It all needs to be addressed. However, the scandals in the church have had so much attention
00:54:03.160 because people want to tear down the church. They've had a lot of attention. These young girls
00:54:07.400 in Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale, etc., have had no publicity because people don't want to talk about it.
00:54:13.000 That's why I'm talking about this issue in particular.
00:54:15.080 Yes, they are more concerned with being called Islamophobic than they are being complicit in
00:54:21.480 child rape. And that's when you know that we have completely subverted morality and we have
00:54:27.560 completely messed up our priorities when it is worse to be perceived as a bigot than it is to allow
00:54:36.760 and enable the rape of children. And kind of all of this conversation that we're talking about,
00:54:41.960 some of the criticisms of the Queen and then this cover-up of this rape because these men are
00:54:48.760 Muslim, I mean, it goes back to this worldview in which all white people are oppressors,
00:54:54.520 all non-white people are oppressed, and therefore, any scenario in which a non-white person happens to
00:55:02.440 be perpetrating something evil against a white person, we're supposed to brush it under the rug because
00:55:08.280 it's impossible, I guess, for a non-white person to be an oppressor. And that just goes to show how
00:55:15.000 toxic and how dangerous and even how deadly this worldview can be and how unjust it can be because it
00:55:21.240 disallows us from being able to see things as they are. It disallows us from being able to see good and
00:55:27.400 evil as they really exist. Absolutely. And I'm mixed race. So I've got a white parent and a black
00:55:34.040 parent, and I've seen them both be the victims of racism throughout my life. And I've been a victim
00:55:39.720 of racism from both white people and black people. In fact, at the moment in my adult life, it's more
00:55:44.280 often than not black people who are racist towards me. So I can attest to the fact that anyone can be
00:55:49.080 racist and anyone can be the victim of racism. And I cannot say that enough because this idea that only
00:55:54.280 white people are racist and white people are naturally oppressors, and only black people
00:55:58.520 are the victims of racism, and therefore they have to live in this mentality of victimhood,
00:56:02.440 is not helpful for anyone. It's not helpful to white people, it's not helpful to black people.
00:56:05.800 Black people are the people keeping other black people down with this mentality. If you tell someone
00:56:10.520 often enough that they are a victim, they will start to believe it. If you tell them often enough
00:56:14.040 that they will never achieve anything in life, they will start to believe it. And what's worse than that
00:56:18.120 is that when a black person achieves success, other black people try to drag them down by calling them
00:56:22.920 white, or saying they are somehow a traitor, an Uncle Tom, a coon, all of these horrible things,
00:56:29.880 as if success is somehow a trait of whiteness. And they don't see the irony of their ways,
00:56:35.080 these so-called racial justice warriors, or actual racial grievance peddlers. That's what they're
00:56:39.960 doing, and it's disgusting, and it's breaking down our way of life. But the problem is I don't see how
00:56:44.200 we fight back, because white people can't stand up and say, actually, I'm okay, I feel okay being white,
00:56:49.480 because they'll be seen as, you know, oppressors and white superiority. And black people or mixed
00:56:55.480 people like myself can't stand up and say, well, actually, there's nothing wrong with being white
00:56:58.840 or brown or whatever, it doesn't matter, because we'll be accused of being coons, Uncle Toms,
00:57:02.840 and race bait, race traitors. So there is no way to win this.
00:57:06.120 Yeah. Well, I agree with you that a lot of people are afraid of just standing up and saying,
00:57:11.240 you know what, I don't care what you think of me. I don't care what you call me. It is what it is.
00:57:15.960 But the more people that do, the more you can kind of push those people to the margins. I mean,
00:57:22.120 I've seen what you've been called. I've seen what you've been called simply for defending
00:57:26.280 the queen. I have some of the tweets in this document. I can't even read them because they're
00:57:30.440 so awful. Simply because you have a particular opinion, you are considered some kind of traitor in
00:57:35.720 the same way that I'm considered a traitor for not being for abortion. I'm a traitor to my gender.
00:57:42.600 These people are extremely totalitarian and authoritarian when it comes to opinions.
00:57:49.800 And that's why I'm thankful for you. I'm thankful that you do push back against the homogeny and that
00:57:57.320 you do push back against those who say that you're not allowed to have that opinion. One final thing.
00:58:03.000 What are your thoughts on Liz Truss? Good? Bad?
00:58:08.840 I'm holding my judgment. She's far too liberal for me. But we have a strong conservative government
00:58:15.160 with a strong majority. So it would be possible for her to get a lot done. And I think she wants
00:58:19.800 to prove herself. So I'm hoping that she'll use that to her advantage and push through a load of
00:58:24.560 conservative policies to say, look, I was a Tory and I did get some stuff done. So I'm hoping and praying
00:58:28.920 she'll get rid of all this wokeness and she'll take us back to good old fashioned British values,
00:58:33.160 but we'll wait and see.
00:58:34.760 Hmm. I pray so. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to come on. I really appreciate it.
00:58:38.760 Ali, anytime. God bless you.
00:58:42.760 Amen.