Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 68 ｜ This Ain't It

00:00:00.000 Hey guys, what's up? Welcome to Relatable. It is Tuesday, January 15th, and today we are going to

00:00:08.840 do a special kind of episode. I think in the future I'll make it just a segment of the episode,

00:00:13.860 but today it's going to be the whole thing just to see how you guys like it. And it is called

00:00:18.100 This Ain't It. So what we're going to do is we're going to go through some of the

00:00:24.920 cringetastic things people on the right and the left have said over the past two weeks.

00:00:29.120 Break it down and analyze why this is just not it. This is not a thing that someone should be

00:00:36.500 saying. It's not logically correct. It is not morally right. And we'll kind of talk about

00:00:41.380 the implications of that. So like I said, this is from the right and the left. We are going to

00:00:45.860 start with a controversial statement that was made by Iowa Representative Steve King. So Steve King,

00:00:51.920 I know him a little bit. I was invited in the fall to speak at a group with a group within

00:01:00.680 Congress, within the House of Republicans called Conservative Opportunity Society. I was asked to

00:01:06.800 come to D.C. and speak at their breakfast and talk about how to engage millennials in the conservative

00:01:12.240 cause, which is something I do a lot to various groups and organizations around the country.

00:01:17.500 I thought, hey, this is a good opportunity to speak to Republicans in Congress. These are very

00:01:21.960 influential people. Why would I pass this up? People from Heritage Foundation were there, which

00:01:26.880 is an organization I really trust. And so I said, yes, I made a trip out of it. I did a few other

00:01:31.580 things when I was in D.C. and I spoke to this group. It was great. Afterwards, Representative King and

00:01:38.200 I got a picture, which is now on Twitter, which is now haunting me. So apparently Representative King

00:01:45.500 has kind of been sketchy for a little bit in his views on race. And you can call me ignorant. You 0.96

00:01:51.240 can call me naive, which maybe is something to blame me for. I really did not know this. Like,

00:01:58.280 I don't know if I should be admitting this, but I didn't know who really who Representative King was.

00:02:06.260 I mean, I knew who he was, but I didn't know him. I didn't know about his controversial statement. So

00:02:11.560 he's retweeted people who identify as neo-Nazis, who identify as white nationalists, 0.82

00:02:16.360 white supremacists. He's kind of been labeled as part of the alt-right or at least sympathetic to

00:02:22.360 the alt-right. And I know a lot of you listening are like, oh, that's just a made up progressive term

00:02:27.100 to demonize conservatives. No, that's not true. There is actually a real faction of the alt-right

00:02:33.360 within the conservative movement who really aren't conservative at all. They're really more concerned

00:02:38.580 with preserving whiteness than anything else. Just trust me that those people exist and they 0.96

00:02:43.660 identify as on the right, even though they're kind of this whole other world in and of themselves.

00:02:48.580 Steve King has, whether it's deliberate or not, has kind of been a part of that or has sympathized with

00:02:55.100 some people in that movement, like Faith Goldie, for example. Now, again, you could have different

00:03:00.840 opinions on her, but the general consensus, I personally, I don't know her. I only know a little bit

00:03:06.520 about her, but the general consensus is that she is kind of part of this white nationalist

00:03:10.720 alt-right movement. So Steve King supported her when she was running for office in Canada,

00:03:19.040 and his most recent statements are what people are saying are extremely controversial. He said to a New

00:03:25.200 York Times reporter, white nationalist, white supremacist, Western civilization, how did that

00:03:30.300 language become offensive? Why did I sit in classes teaching me about the merits of our history and our

00:03:37.620 civilization? This ain't it, Representative King. This ain't it. So part of this statement is correct.

00:03:47.920 Western civilization, how did that language become offensive? Why did I sit in classes teaching me

00:03:52.980 about the merits of our history and our civilization? True, true. And some people would call me a bigot for

00:03:59.680 saying this. Western civilization is the best civilization that exists. Absolutely. That is

00:04:05.080 why America is number one in medicine and education and technology, has been the number one economy

00:04:10.380 forever, has buoyed the world economy forever, has created freedom almost virtually wherever we have

00:04:16.680 gone. We have been a good force in the United States. That's why our founding documents are so unique

00:04:22.240 and so wonderful, have created such an amazing society for the most part. He is right about that.

00:04:29.400 That is not bigotry. That is just true. That's why we have people immigrating here and emulating us

00:04:36.300 every day. That is not to say that other cultures are bad, that other people that live in other

00:04:41.460 countries are not good or not made in the image of God and are not equally valuable. But Western society

00:04:47.660 and the culture that it has created is the best, is the most equal, is the most prosperous

00:04:53.360 in all of the world. So that part is correct. Where Representative King is wrong is conflating

00:05:01.100 Western civilization with white nationalism and white supremacy. No, that is not Western civilization.

00:05:10.040 Being a part of the West, and this is where the alt-right would seriously disagree with me,

00:05:14.540 being a part of the West has nothing to do with being white, has nothing to do with being white.

00:05:20.560 In fact, that contradicts exactly what this country was founded on. So our Declaration

00:05:25.480 of Independence says that all men are created equal, were endowed by their creator with certain

00:05:32.900 inalienable rights. I know that throughout our history, we have not always lived up to that

00:05:39.200 perfectly. That would be the contention that, well, America has had slavery. We haven't given

00:05:44.400 women the rights that they deserve, that they inherently have. We have allowed discrimination 0.99

00:05:50.480 and racism to flourish in this country. And you're right. There has been seasons of American history

00:05:57.580 where we have been deeply entrenched in racial discrimination, in sin, in gender discrimination,

00:06:03.180 all of these things that I believe are wrong. But the seasons of our history where we have been

00:06:11.460 steeped in racism and steeped in different kinds of injustices and discrimination, they have all

00:06:18.100 been steps away from the ideals of our founding documents, not towards them. On the other hand,

00:06:24.740 all of the times where we have righted those wrongs, where we have freed slaves, for example,

00:06:30.040 where we have righted the wrong of Japanese internment camps, for example, allowing women the right

00:06:35.980 to vote. Those have all been steps closer, not away from, but closer to the spirit of our founding

00:06:42.060 documents. So the idea and the ideal that America was created on was good, really good for this side

00:06:50.280 of heaven. Now, they have not been implemented. These principles have not been implemented perfectly

00:06:55.360 throughout our history. Our founding fathers who wrote these documents did not even implement them

00:06:59.740 perfectly as they own slaves themselves. But that doesn't mean that the idea that they created,

00:07:05.760 that the ideal that they created, that America was founded on, that Western civilization really

00:07:10.200 centers on, is bad. What that idea and that ideal is, is that we are, no matter our skin color,

00:07:18.900 no matter our gender, created equal. And because of that, we are endowed by God with certain inalienable

00:07:26.460 inherent, that means they can't be taken away by the government, rights, among them being life,

00:07:31.860 liberty, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. So for Steve King to say that there is any correlation

00:07:39.140 whatsoever with white supremacy and white nationalism in Western civilization is just historically ignorant 0.99

00:07:48.040 and illogical. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. This ain't it. Has nothing to do with whiteness. 0.98

00:07:56.980 The reason why America is so great is because it gives opportunity to anyone, no matter their

00:08:02.420 background, no matter their immigration, well, I shouldn't say immigration status, no matter where

00:08:07.000 they've immigrated from, no matter their nationality, no matter their socioeconomic status,

00:08:12.420 no matter their religion. Now, does that mean that racism and discrimination doesn't exist?

00:08:17.260 Sexism doesn't exist? No, of course it does. There are always going to be hateful individuals

00:08:21.100 that carry out hateful acts. But this idea that we have systemic racism and discrimination and

00:08:26.840 inequality in this country simply is not true. This is the greatest, the most equal, the most

00:08:33.320 equitable country that has ever existed. And it is because we reject these notions of white supremacy

00:08:42.060 and white nationalism, or at least we should. We should also, by the way, and this is a lot more

00:08:46.460 controversial, reject the notions of black supremacy and black nationalism in this country. 1.00

00:08:54.380 And like I said, that's a little bit more contentious because of this whole stupid idea 0.98

00:08:59.420 of intersectionality, but I won't even get into this now. Now, Representative King is dealing with 0.97

00:09:04.500 a lot of backlash from the right and the left. And a lot of people are saying, wow, the GOP let this

00:09:10.700 guy thrive in their party. Well, I guess in some ways the voters did. But Ben Shapiro made a really

00:09:18.200 good point on this podcast when he talked about this. Republicans are the only ones to clean house. 0.98

00:09:23.380 And it's not because we have the only dirty house. Democrats do, too. They just refuse to get rid

00:09:28.100 of people like Keith Ellison, an open antisemite, or they refuse to disassociate from people like

00:09:35.880 Louis Farrakhan. For the most part, not every single Democrat, they refuse to clean house. And that

00:09:39.800 doesn't mean they don't have a dirty house. Republicans are the only ones to stand up and

00:09:43.480 say, hey, we don't stand for this kind of stuff. Sorry. Get out of here. Now, the argument to that

00:09:49.920 is that he hasn't been expelled from Congress. He hasn't been kicked out. He hasn't even been

00:09:54.940 censored. I think that he should be censored for this. A lot of people are saying, though, that he

00:10:00.020 shouldn't be asked to step down. You know, I'm not sure. I'll be interested to see where that goes.

00:10:06.320 Tim Scott, who is obviously an African-American congressman, says that he should not step down.

00:10:12.220 So there are different ideas about that. But the bottom line is conservatives have called him out

00:10:17.920 a lot more than it seems like progressives have called out the antisemites and racists in their own

00:10:22.420 party. You could never be too extreme on the left, but you can always, always be too extreme on the

00:10:28.240 right if you are anywhere the right of Nancy Pelosi. So Steve King, absolutely wrong in this. I am sure

00:10:35.940 that one day in my life this when something when I like really make it big one day, this photo that

00:10:42.520 I have of Steve King is probably going to resurface and float around and say, oh, she associates with

00:10:48.220 white supremacists. No, I didn't know. I had no idea. It was a few months ago and maybe I should have

00:10:54.040 known his past comments and I should have been more careful for that. I apologize. I had no idea.

00:10:59.400 I obviously don't associate with anyone that is I know is a is a white supremacist and people on

00:11:06.420 Twitter saying, oh, every conservative needs to denounce this publicly, blah, blah, blah. Well,

00:11:12.280 the reason I haven't talked about it on Twitter is one, because apologies are never enough for the

00:11:17.360 left. I don't feel like I need to apologize per se or even explain myself to leftist blue check

00:11:24.120 marks on Twitter because, again, they just want to ruin your life. They don't really want an apology.

00:11:28.240 I just wanted to explain it to you guys because you guys are the only ones that I

00:11:32.020 really care about. So, yeah, I'm not going to be I'm just not going to be doing it. But also

00:11:37.260 because obviously, obviously, I don't agree with white supremacy. Like that's not even it's not a

00:11:43.580 question. That's so duh. Obviously, I don't associate with white nationalism. That's not even

00:11:50.260 something that I need to say. Yes, obviously. OK, that's the first one. So that was someone on the

00:11:56.540 right. Let's look at someone on the left, Tamika Mallory. Now, she is a head, one of the heads of

00:12:02.900 the Women's March. As you probably know, the Women's March has been under fire recently. I was on Tucker

00:12:07.820 Carlson not that long ago talking about this for this long expose that came out about the

00:12:13.520 anti-Semitism that is really in the in the core of the Women's March that from the very beginning,

00:12:19.680 there has been an anti-white anti-Semitism sentiment that has seeped from people like

00:12:25.020 Tamika Mallory and Linda Sarsour, who are virulently anti-Semitic and and anti-Israel.

00:12:34.320 Tamika Mallory is BFF with Louis Farrakhan. Louis Farrakhan, as you probably recall, is the one who

00:12:40.980 has called Jews termite, who calls Jews satanic, claims that they are running the world. You know, 0.93

00:12:45.680 that conspiracy theory. She is BFF with him. And she was asked about asked about this on the view

00:12:52.040 to kind of justify her association with him. And this is what she said. And Tamika, you came under

00:12:57.000 some fire for your relationship with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. Now, he's known for being

00:13:05.480 anti-Semitic, for being homophobic. But you do attend his events and you posted, I believe, a photo

00:13:12.720 together calling him the GOAT, which means the greatest of all time. And just because you go

00:13:17.680 into a space with someone does not mean that you agree with everything that they say. But let me

00:13:21.960 push back a little bit. Why call him the greatest of all time? I didn't call him the greatest of all

00:13:26.000 time because of his rhetoric. I called him the greatest of all time because of what he's done

00:13:30.160 in black communities. And I think that, you know. So she says that because she was with him doesn't mean

00:13:37.100 that she agrees with everything that he says. Calls him the GOAT, the greatest of all time on her

00:13:42.200 Instagram because of what he has done for the black community, not because of rhetoric. And did you

00:13:46.480 hear? I mean, that's such an inane response. It's hard for me to even coherently respond to that 0.94

00:13:52.920 response. But did you hear the applause when she said that, that it's not about his rhetoric, it's about

00:13:59.860 what he's done for the black community. Excuse me. Excuse me. So if I don't know, Hitler, for example,

00:14:08.760 or let's let's not use an extreme example, although I'm sure they're not really that dissimilar

00:14:14.500 considering their rhetoric. So if David Duke, who used to be a part of the KKK, who is a known white

00:14:22.140 supremacist, a known racist, if a white person, if a white conservative went on the view and said,

00:14:27.880 you know, I know David Duke has said some really sketchy stuff about black people, 0.93

00:14:31.740 but he's done a lot for the white community. Like he's done a lot for white people or he's given a

00:14:36.660 lot to the poor. When we sit back and say, you know, that's that's cool. I get it. Yeah, sure.

00:14:42.820 His rhetoric was bad, but who cares? He's given a lot to the poor. No, absolutely not. But we're

00:14:48.960 supposed to clap when Tamika Mallory says that this guy who was called Jews termites, who has been an 0.95

00:14:54.280 anti-Semite for literally decades and who has preached black supremacy as long as he has been 0.88

00:14:59.400 around, that we're supposed to be okay with her saying, well, he's done a lot for the black

00:15:03.440 community. First of all, I would like to know what, what, what, what has he done for the black

00:15:07.900 community? The Nation of Islam, like I said, has been pushing this black supremacy movement for years 1.00

00:15:14.160 and years. And Tamika Mallory really, I can tell, has been indoctrinated with all of their garbage. 1.00

00:15:19.760 So we're supposed to just take that and say, oh yeah, that's fine that you like this guy who has 1.00

00:15:25.380 said all of this disgusting stuff about Jews. That's fine. You're not an anti-Semite. He's done 0.98

00:15:30.140 a lot for the black community. You go girl, you keep on leading this women's march. And we're supposed

00:15:34.420 to believe that you are inclusive and loving and tolerant and kind and all of these things that you

00:15:38.760 claim that the women's march is. No, thanks. This ain't it. Okay. Let's listen to just a few things

00:15:44.220 that Farrakhan has said. The satanic Jews. They control everything and mostly everybody. 1.00

00:15:56.040 You are not the chosen of God. You are the chosen of Satan. I'm talking about the wicked ones in the

00:16:06.480 Jewish community that run America, run the government, run the world, own the banks, own the means of 1.00

00:16:15.980 communication. They are my enemies. You know what they do? Call me an anti-Semite. Stop it. I'm anti-termite. 0.97

00:16:29.380 I mean, I mean, this is like, can you imagine, can you imagine calling this person the greatest of

00:16:40.800 all time? I mean, really? Meanwhile, we have people like Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. She recently tweeted

00:16:48.580 out that Tucker Carlson is a white supremacist and associates with white supremacy because other

00:16:55.200 people who are white supremacists and white nationalists like Richard Spencer have been

00:16:59.980 approving of Tucker Carlson. So that makes Tucker Carlson in and of himself a white supremacist or

00:17:06.380 associated with the white nationalist cause. Okay. So just let me figure this out. Let me just,

00:17:14.200 I'm trying to figure this out. So Tucker is a racist because people associate themselves,

00:17:21.360 people who are racist, associate themselves with him. But Tamika Mallory is not a racist,

00:17:26.200 even though she deliberately associates with herself, with someone who is an outspoken racist.

00:17:32.260 Did I get that right? Is that, is that the logic that we've got? Is that the liberal logic that we've

00:17:36.640 got? Okay. Got it. Oh wait, I have another one. So everyone who voted for Donald Trump, everyone who

00:17:43.080 voted for Donald Trump or who isn't nasty enough about Donald Trump and just doesn't hate him to his core 1.00

00:17:48.040 and just want him to die is a white supremacist. That's what we hear. If you voted for Donald 1.00

00:17:53.300 Trump and you still don't just hate Donald Trump with every fiber of your being, you're a white 1.00

00:17:57.880 supremacist. It doesn't matter if you like his policies. It doesn't matter if you just think that 0.99

00:18:03.160 he's the alternative to the left. You are a racist if you voted for him. But Tamika Mallory saying that 0.97

00:18:10.380 someone who called you satanic termites, Tamika Mallory associating herself with him and calling him the

00:18:17.140 greatest of all time and having attended his talks and she was a child and leading the women's march.

00:18:22.480 It's fine. Why? Let me tell you why. She's a black woman. She's a black woman who associates with the 1.00

00:18:27.840 nation of Islam. So she's got at least three intersectionality points. If you haven't heard

00:18:32.100 me explain intersectionality, I'm not sure which episode it was on. I've explained this, but it's

00:18:36.560 basically the oppression Olympics. So the more, uh, quote minority or oppression points that you have,

00:18:41.720 the more credibility you have and the less likely you are to receive a ton of criticism. Um, and so

00:18:47.800 she's going to kind of escape this. Now, if CNN and MSNBC and all of these mainstream left outlets

00:18:53.680 who talk about hating racism and hating supremacy so much or hating bigotry so much, um, if they really

00:18:59.620 cared about that, the way that they say they do, they wouldn't be, uh, picking apart the implications

00:19:04.200 of president Trump, which I agree. He has said some stupid stuff in the past. They would, um, at least 1.00

00:19:09.720 pause just momentarily from doing that and say, Hey, this leader of the women's March, which we 0.91

00:19:15.500 have promoted on our own network, CNN. And, uh, we have lauded as this woman of influence and who

00:19:22.020 has been a part of the women's March, which of course is always, uh, covered nonstop by these

00:19:27.220 leftist outlets. Hey, she associates with racists and that's, that's probably not a good thing. Um,

00:19:34.540 if they really cared about bigotry, they would cover that, but they won't, they won't. Um, I really

00:19:39.060 want to see this whole episode because part of the clip that I showed you at the end, um, had

00:19:43.660 Megan McCain, like really pushing her. But of course the clip didn't show the response. It's

00:19:48.240 what I really want to see. So Tameka Mallory, this ain't it. And like I said, Trump has said

00:19:54.400 stuff that I don't like. I didn't like how he dealt with Charlottesville. That's why I did a

00:19:58.560 whole video about it. I've called Trump out for those things. Um, I've never called him the greatest

00:20:03.460 of all time. I don't, unlike some people on the right, call him, uh, the savior of Western

00:20:08.440 civilization or the savior of America. No, that ain't it either. Um, I, but my, by me voting for

00:20:16.100 him, that doesn't make me a white supremacist, but apparently it does. But Tameka Mallory is not. So,

00:20:19.640 okay. Just making sure that you understood that in case your, um, little feeble brain is confused by 0.98

00:20:25.920 that hypocrisy. Okay. Next thing is Robert Jeffress. So we went right, left, right. So Robert Jeffress 0.99

00:20:32.320 is the pastor of a mega church in Dallas called First Baptist Dallas. And, um, I have also met

00:20:40.140 him a few times and know people that go to his church. And he was on Fox and Friends saying that

00:20:45.540 one of the reasons why it's okay and biblical for us to have a wall on the Southern border is because

00:20:50.620 heaven has walls or something like that. So listen to this. The Bible says even heaven is going to have

00:20:56.940 a wall around it. Not everyone's going to be allowed in. So as you heard, he said that

00:21:02.140 heaven has a wall around it. And let me just give a caveat first. I, uh, agree with Robert

00:21:06.960 Jeffress on a lot. He makes good points. And I, I know a lot of people give him a hard time

00:21:12.680 on the right, but if you listen to him in context, a lot of the times that people extract out of

00:21:18.880 context are not really as, uh, are not really as problematic as they make it seem. So I just

00:21:27.360 want to say, like, I agree with him on a lot. I just think that this particular argument for a wall

00:21:33.660 is stupid. Now I have said before that I think that you could find, if you wanted to, you could 0.99

00:21:39.840 find biblical support for the argument that, Hey, a wall is not inherently sinful or racist or immoral

00:21:45.540 because everywhere we see a wall depicted in the Bible, it is a sign of peace and security. People

00:21:51.020 like to cite, Oh, uh, the wall of Jericho came tumbling down. Well, yes, but sure. But that was

00:21:58.920 about God's faithfulness to his people and his willingness to do absolutely anything to secure the

00:22:04.040 promised land for them. Um, then it was about the inherent badness of a wall. It had nothing to do

00:22:09.740 with that. If you look at Nehemiah, if you look in parts of Proverbs, if you look in parts of Psalms,

00:22:14.240 um, walls are seen as a depiction, as a symbol of peace and security. There is nothing inherently

00:22:20.440 wrong about them. So I don't think that you need to make a biblical argument for the wall. I don't

00:22:26.880 think that's necessary. It's just logical and good policy and it's worked elsewhere and has nothing

00:22:31.920 to do with race whatsoever. It's certainly not inherently immoral, but if you wanted to,

00:22:36.520 you could, people have done it. Wayne Grudem has done it. Uh, he wrote a piece in town hall doing that

00:22:40.980 very thing. And he is a theologian or he is a systematic theologian that I really like a lot. So

00:22:48.240 you can of course do this. I simply think that the point that heaven has a wall around it,

00:22:55.020 ain't it? Like, I just think that's stupid. Heaven's going to have a lot of things that 1.00

00:22:59.020 we don't have here on earth. So, I mean, revelation 21, 21 says that heaven will also

00:23:03.600 have cities of pure gold. Should we ask taxpayers to pay for streets and buildings and walls and fences

00:23:10.600 of gold? Like if that's going to be our argument, then why shouldn't we do other things that emulate

00:23:16.040 heaven here on earth as well? At least as far as the government goes. I just don't think that this

00:23:21.900 is a great argument for this. Um, so I don't know, maybe he was doing it tongue in cheek,

00:23:29.600 but it just doesn't, it doesn't make much sense. And a lot of people are, uh, talking about how that

00:23:35.900 just, it was a stupid point, which I agree with him. Like I said, Robert Jeffress, I agree with him 0.99

00:23:41.880 on a lot. I think sometimes he goes too far and trying to defend Trump biblically in a way that

00:23:47.420 I don't think he probably would have done for Obama. And I'm not sure that that's the right

00:23:52.040 thing to do, but he, he makes some good points. And, um, there's a lot that he says that I think

00:23:58.240 is good. This one was just kind of weak, ain't it? So next one, we might have time for two more

00:24:06.440 depends on how long I spent on this one. Um, okay. AOC, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. First,

00:24:12.360 let me say, I know I said this before a lot of people, a lot of people think that Republicans

00:24:19.900 need to stop talking about AOC, that we are the ones that have created this fame, that we have

00:24:24.580 created this monster, that we are the ones paying her all the attention. That's not true. New York

00:24:29.960 Times just said an entire article saying that she is the face of the democratic party. The people have

00:24:34.360 spoken. I mean, she has a higher number of, uh, of followers on basically every platform than anyone

00:24:41.860 else, um, than any other democratic leader and Republicans haven't done that. Now I'm not saying

00:24:47.020 that we haven't contributed at all, but I would say for the large, for the large part, we are responding

00:24:52.800 to the ridiculousness of the left and hoisting this woman up as their spokeswoman. And I think Democrats 0.91

00:24:57.960 are probably really frustrated with that too, because homegirl flubs and gaffes so much.

00:25:04.360 So much. Like if a Republican had made as many mistakes as Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, like,

00:25:10.200 let's see, saying that Israel was the occupation of Palestine and saying that, oh, she's not an 0.78

00:25:14.740 expert on geopolitics, even though she majored in international relations when she was in college,

00:25:20.200 explaining marginal tax rates in her, uh, interview for 60 minutes with Anderson Cooper saying,

00:25:27.000 um, oh, we're just going to tax the, the tippy tops. Okay. Like, thank you so much for explaining.

00:25:32.620 And, uh, the most baby preschool way that you possibly could, what marginal tax rates are.

00:25:38.800 And when she said the three chambers of government rather than three branches of government, and even

00:25:43.480 when she said the three chambers of government, like that wasn't even correct. And some people

00:25:48.340 are saying that she corrected herself on that. Um, not really. Also, she has this really interesting

00:25:53.780 habit of taking this one very obscure criticism. That's one random conservative set of her and inflating 1.00

00:25:59.980 it and applying it to all of the GOP, that we're all unfair, that we're all sexist, that we all,

00:26:05.440 um, that we all overblow every single thing that she says. No, that's not true. You just say a lot

00:26:12.320 of bad stuff. But she even said that the criticism of her as compared to, uh, Paul Ryan, when he came

00:26:18.400 into Congress, when he was young, uh, in his twenties as well, uh, the criticism of her has been so much

00:26:24.120 more because she is a woman of color has nothing to do with that. Paul Ryan is smart. He's been smart

00:26:29.100 for a really long time. Um, so she's in the 60 minutes interview and here, I'll, I'll just play it

00:26:35.740 for you first. One of the criticisms of you is that your math is fuzzy. The Washington Post recently

00:26:40.440 awarded you four Pinocchios for misstating some statistics about Pentagon spending. If people want

00:26:46.660 to really blow up one figure here or one word there, I would argue that they're missing the

00:26:53.380 forest for the trees. I think that there's a lot of people more concerned about being precisely

00:27:01.440 factually and semantically correct than about being morally right. So like, let's just take that in for

00:27:10.360 a second. She is very concerned that people are taking her factually, that people are taking her

00:27:17.520 facts and they are weighing them against the truth. That's craziness, right? Like how dare people do

00:27:22.980 that? How dare people, uh, look at the numbers that she is putting out there and saying, well, does that

00:27:29.380 actually align with reality? How dare people do that? That is so rude of them. Um, and Anderson Cooper

00:27:36.020 to his credit does push back a little bit and say, well, is it being factual good? And she said,

00:27:41.740 yes, it's absolutely important, but it's not. We continue to see over and over again that she

00:27:45.780 doesn't really care about facts. She was on MSNBC, uh, doing what she thought was this awesome tirade 0.96

00:27:51.060 about president Trump talking about how this kid died at the hands of, at the hands of ice on Christmas

00:27:57.320 day. Well, no, it wasn't ice. It was border patrol. He was sick before he got there and it wasn't on

00:28:02.720 Christmas day. So, and again, she would say that it's more important that she was morally right

00:28:08.280 than factually correct. But the question that we should be asking, is it possible to be factually

00:28:12.520 incorrect and morally right at the same time? I don't think so. Now I'm not talking about the

00:28:17.620 person themselves. Like for example, if I say, uh, if I tell you on accident that, um, there were six

00:28:26.380 illegal immigrants crossing the border and really it was seven, that doesn't mean that I'm immoral

00:28:30.620 because I made a mistake. I should go back and I should correct that mistake. But what I just told

00:28:35.900 you is that statement in and of itself moral. No, it's not because it's not true. Like if I told you

00:28:41.820 that two plus two equals five, that would be immoral because I would, I would be telling you a lie. If I

00:28:46.360 teach my future daughter, uh, that two plus two is five, that is immoral because that is a lie. 1.00

00:28:52.360 Two plus two is four is moral. Two plus two is five is not because two plus two is four is,

00:28:57.900 is the truth. Um, I kind of got confused with my language there for a second. Um, the truth is

00:29:03.640 moral. A lie is not even flubbing is not moral. That doesn't make you a bad person for making that

00:29:09.160 mistake, but you cannot give a faulty plan or a faulty statistic or a faulty story. And that story

00:29:16.200 statistic, uh, factoid, I guess it would be falsity, uh, that you made up or that you flubbed on still be

00:29:22.780 moral. It just doesn't make any sense like that. So especially when she's talking about economics,

00:29:26.600 when she's talking about these plans, when she's talking about, for example, uh, military spending,

00:29:31.100 which is also a number that she completely flubbed on a few months ago. Um, when you're talking about

00:29:36.740 these things, it's very important to actually be accurate. But what she does is she runs her mouth.

00:29:41.600 She says, whatever she wants to say, she makes as many mistakes as she wants to make. And then when

00:29:45.680 someone criticizes her, she says that it's big, that she says that it's discriminatory. She says that it's 0.78

00:29:50.520 not fair. Typical millennial, unable to take responsibility for her actions, unable to say, 0.86

00:29:55.040 yeah, I kind of have a problem with the truth. Yeah. I'm not really good at articulating things.

00:29:59.880 Like, honestly, I get really nervous and I don't say the right things. Yeah, I know. We've noticed

00:30:06.000 that. Just own it. Um, I saw someone on Twitter today saying that, you know, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez 0.94

00:30:13.400 is the first person that has really broken down tax policy in a way that young people understand.

00:30:18.320 This is great. I hope that she really educates young people.

00:30:23.080 What? Like, can you point me to one instance where she has clearly articulated tax policy in a way that

00:30:29.580 is accurate and coherent? Please. And there were even leftists being like, uh, okay, like I like her,

00:30:36.300 but this just isn't true. Anyone who describes marginal tax rates using the words tippy tops

00:30:42.360 probably doesn't understand what they're talking about. Like I have never heard her coherently

00:30:47.660 state a platform or a position that she has, especially when it comes to money. And look,

00:30:53.160 I am not a math person. Ocasio-Cortez and I have that in common. I am not, I'm not an expert on tax

00:30:59.900 policy. I'm not an expert on geopolitics. So when I say all of this, she and I can probably relate a

00:31:05.920 little bit, but I am not running for Congress. I am not claiming to be an expert on this stuff

00:31:11.300 the way that she is. She ran for Congress. She thinks she knows a thing or two about policy. 0.92

00:31:16.660 She is going to try to implement policies that are going to affect your life in my life, 1.00

00:31:21.460 the lives of the entire country. I am not. I am a lowly podcaster who admits when I am wrong

00:31:26.740 and admits when I don't know something. So I am not faulting Ocasio-Cortez for not knowing

00:31:33.800 everything as a 29 year old, but I am faulting her for running for Congress saying that she

00:31:41.540 knows enough to be able to implement this kind of influential policy and really

00:31:46.160 society altering policy without actually knowing anything. And then falling back on her victimhood 1.00

00:31:54.480 when she gets things wrong. It's always everyone else's fault when she gets things wrong. It's never

00:31:59.360 hers. And the funny thing is, this is kind of similar to President Trump. Like President Trump

00:32:04.040 has flubbed a lot, too. Like he has fibbed. Most of it has been the same as Ocasio-Cortez. Like he

00:32:10.260 probably hasn't meant to lie, but he has exaggerated something or he has taken something from a source

00:32:17.000 that got it wrong and he doesn't apologize. I think that's wrong when President Trump does it.

00:32:21.520 And the media is very quick to call him out when he's lying, when he's exaggerating,

00:32:25.360 when he doesn't get something quite right. But with Ocasio-Cortez, it's like, well, you know,

00:32:31.100 it's kind of unfair that I'm being held to the same standard as reality. I feel like I should just

00:32:36.620 kind of be let off the hook for that. And wow, it's really kind of rude that people are holding

00:32:40.880 me to that standard. How dare they? And then what does the New York Times do? They run, they run an

00:32:47.400 article to say, you know what? Her criticism of fact checking is valid. Now that we think about it,

00:32:52.520 okay, well, I'm excited moving forward that we're just going to all agree that Trump is morally

00:32:58.740 right about things, whether or not he's factually correct. I'm excited to kind of see the fact

00:33:04.360 checkers that usually are very quick to say that President Trump is lying, kind of back down and

00:33:08.760 say, oh, but is this morally okay? It's just, it's so, it's so great. It's so great. She's such a

00:33:17.860 typical millennial and typifies so much of what people hate about millennials. Okay. I wanted to 0.62

00:33:24.220 get to this Gillette ad that talks about toxic masculinity, but I'm going to save that for

00:33:27.860 Thursday. Thursday, we're also talking about a subject that is awesome. It's exclusively really

00:33:33.740 theological on Thursday, just a heads up, but I'm really passionate about this particular item,

00:33:39.720 but I'm also going to latch the Gillette thing to the end of it. But before we go, I will do one

00:33:44.060 thing I just don't get. Some of you are going to agree with me. Some of you won't. This one thing

00:33:48.260 I just don't get now that I am pregnant, Instagram, I guess, knows that I'm pregnant. So on my Discover

00:33:53.400 page, I see all of these pregnant people. And most of the time, like I like looking at, you know,

00:33:58.420 their journey and things like that. But you do have to know when you're pregnant, every single journey

00:34:02.220 is different. And yes, there are just some rules that everyone should follow when they, when they are

00:34:09.500 pregnant. But it's really hard beyond those like fundamental rules to say this is exactly what you 0.99

00:34:14.540 should do. One thing I think that you just should not do, though, like as one of those fundamental

00:34:18.940 rules is post pictures of yourself that like you wouldn't post if you weren't pregnant. I'm talking 1.00

00:34:24.620 about not just showing your belly, whatever. That's fine. It's not my thing, but whatever. But like the

00:34:30.760 naked pictures, have you guys noticed that? Like the women who are like, oh, otherwise, I probably 1.00

00:34:36.020 wouldn't post a picture of myself naked or with underwear on a selfie in the mirror. But I'm going

00:34:40.480 to because I'm nine months pregnant. Why? Why? Like, I just think that's weird. I just don't get

00:34:48.040 that. Why being pregnant somehow gives people license to be like, I'm letting it all hang out

00:34:53.260 on Instagram, y'all. It's just odd to me. Tell me if you see this differently. And if I'm just missing

00:34:59.440 something. I mean, I think pregnancy is beautiful. I think like what a woman's body does to grow a life 0.99

00:35:03.980 is absolutely amazing. It's one of those things that among many things, but it's one of those

00:35:09.840 things that you just learn more about, like creating a human life. And you're like, there has to be

00:35:14.820 an intelligent creator and all of this. It's just too complex for it to be a chance. But

00:35:21.000 beyond that, like, I don't really want to, I don't want to see naked people on Instagram, period.

00:35:27.420 Anyone. I just don't know why all of a sudden it's like, okay and cool when this person is pregnant. 0.99

00:35:33.260 I don't know. Y'all can let me know what you think about that. That's it for today. Come back

00:35:37.760 on Thursday. Like I said, I've got a hot topic for you and I'll be very interested to hear your

00:35:44.120 feedback because it might be a little bit controversial. I'll be in DC to speak at the

00:35:47.540 Stork Ball and then I'll also be at the March for Life. So if you're there, make sure to say hi,

00:35:51.300 but I will talk to you before Friday, which is the March for Life. Have a great day.

00:35:55.060 Bye.

00:35:56.060 Bye.

00:35:57.060 Bye.

00:35:58.060 Bye.

00:35:59.060 Bye.

00:36:00.060 Bye.

00:36:01.060 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 15, 2019

Ep 68 ｜ This Ain't It

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