Ep 681 | Sexual Fetish or Transgender? & Big Win for Virginia Parents | Guest: Jennifer Lahl
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Summary
Transgender activists are at it again. This time a teacher outside of Toronto is wearing something inappropriate to make a point about his so-called gender identity, and we also discuss some good news coming out of Virginia regarding parents' rights. And Jennifer Law talks about her new documentary, The De-Transition Diaries.
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While you probably don't want to watch or listen to this episode with your kids, unfortunately,
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the transgender activists are at it again. This time, there is a teacher outside of Toronto
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who is wearing something really inappropriate, I guess, to try to make a point about his so-called
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gender identity. We're going to talk about that, and we're also going to discuss some good news
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coming out of the state of Virginia, not just when it comes to gender ideology,
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but also when it comes to parents' rights. Then we will talk to my friend Jennifer Law about her new
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documentary, The De-Transition Diaries. This episode is brought to you by our friends
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at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com slash Allie. That's goodranchers.com slash Allie.
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All right. Before we get into all of the crazy gender madness, I want to talk about
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two things. First and foremost, you see my sticker, my new sticker on the back of my laptop. It says
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Question Everything. And it has a T-Rex with an American flag landing on the moon. And if you have
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no idea what I'm talking about, or if you have no idea why we created this sticker, then you need to
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go back and listen to episode 670. 670. You need to go listen to episode 670 because we talked about
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this and it made some people very, very mad. And so we decided to make a sticker out of it.
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So you can get it. We'll link it in the description of this episode. And you can buy it for yourself.
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It's just five bucks and it's really fun. And finally, I have this empty space on my laptop
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filled. It's been really bothering me for a long time. And we got a couple other items coming down
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the pipeline too. Also, I saw this clip this morning. It's from the CNN Don Lemon show, which has
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actually been canceled. He's moving to the morning now, I think with a couple co-hosts. But he
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interviewed this woman named Hillary Ford, which she is a royal commentator, a business development
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leader. I don't really know what that means. But Don Lemon thought that he was raising, I guess,
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a compelling question about slavery and colonialism, reparations being paid by the royal family to
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the descendants of those who suffered from these things. And her response is just
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And then you have those who are asking for reparations for colonialism. And they're wondering,
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you know, $100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there. Some people want to be paid back
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and members of the public are wondering, why are we suffering when you are, you know, you have all of
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this vast wealth? Those are legitimate concerns. Well, I think you're right about reparations in
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terms of if people want it, though, what they need to do is you always need to go back to the
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beginning of a supply chain. Where was the beginning of the supply chain? That was in Africa. And when
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across the entire world, when slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that
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abolished slavery? The first nation in the world to abolish it. It was started by William Wilberforce,
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was the British. In Great Britain, they abolished slavery. 2,000 naval men died on the high seas
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trying to stop slavery. Why? Because the African kings were rounding up their own people. They had
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them on cages waiting in the beaches. No one was running into Africa to get them. And I think you're
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totally right. If reparations need to be paid, we need to go right back to the beginning of that
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supply chain and say, who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffing cages?
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Absolutely. That's where they should start. And maybe, I don't know, the descendants of those
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families where they died in the high seas trying to stop the slavery, that those families should
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receive something too, I think, at the same time. It's an interesting discussion, Hillary. Thank you
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very much. I appreciate it. We'll continue to discuss in the future. I don't think that Don Lemon was
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expecting that kind of answer. I mean, she was just so confident. And I don't think that his brain saw
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exactly where she was going. But I thought that that was a brilliant answer. And I'm so glad that
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she brought up William Wilberforce, who is an amazing ambassador for the gospel and incredible and bold
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And that's what he set out to do throughout his life. There were other countries who abolished slavery
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around the time that Britain did. But really, William Wilberforce was on the front lines of this. He was
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at the helm. He was the one that was pushing the abolition of slavery. And his motivation for it
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wasn't primarily political. It was spiritual. It was a gospel motivation because he believed he knew
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that all people are made in the image of God. He rejected the ideology that secular progressivists
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hold today, which is that we are just clumps of cells. We're just accidental balls of matter.
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We're basically just bodies. We are self-creating, self-declaring, self-identifying. No,
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he believed. He knew that we were made by God and made in his image and given innate worth. And
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therefore, the objectification that is inherent in chattel slavery is wrong. And so he set out to
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persuade his fellow countrymen to abolish slavery. And it was an uphill battle. He was in the minority
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for most of history. This is something that Thomas Sowell writes about. For most of history,
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slavery was not a moral question. It just was. It was just something that was a part of life.
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Now, slavery looked different, different times in different cultures. Very often, slavery in the
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ancient world was a way to get out of debt. You were kind of considered a bond servant. And then,
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of course, that is different from the kind of slavery that was practiced in places like Britain or the
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United States, which was really just chattel slavery. It wasn't to pay off any debts. And yet,
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slavery really wasn't a spiritual question. It really wasn't a moral question that a whole lot
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of people were asking for most of history. And Christianity changed that. The morality of
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Christianity slowly and over time revolutionized, at least in the Western world, what people thought
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about human beings, what people thought about the vulnerable, and what people thought about right
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and wrong. When Christianity came on the scene in pagan Greece and Rome, there was no thought to the
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inherent worth of human beings, the protected class of women and children. It was only the adult free
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male who was seen as having any value because he was the only one who could really produce anything for
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society. Slaves, the elderly, women, children were all subjugated in these ancient societies. And
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Christianity came along, and through its theology, that all people are made in the image of God,
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through its gospel that says we are all equally dead in sin apart from Christ and equally alive in
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Christ by grace through faith in him, revolutionized how people thought about the world, how people thought
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about themselves, and how people thought about their fellow human beings. And governments conformed to
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that Christian idea of not just inherent worth, but inherent human rights. The idea of human rights,
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because we are human, because we are different than animals, because we are distinct from plants,
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because we are inherently valuable, is based on Christian theology. Like you'll notice why most of
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the charities, most of the hospitals, even most of the universities, and most institutions that have
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fought for true human rights were founded by Christians, had at one point a Christian mission.
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And it's obvious what happens when you get away from that worldview. It's obvious what happens when
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you get away from that founding mission. The idea of humanity, what we are, what we are worth
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deteriorates. It's also worth noting that there are many, many countries in the world today that do not
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have that view of human beings who still practice slavery, and who still subjugate human beings,
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either based on their gender, based on their class. Like in Africa today, there is still a slave trait.
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And so those who say that only America or only Britain has to pay reparations, it's not logical,
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because as this guest pointed out, it doesn't go all the way to the supply chain. And it ignores the
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reality that slavery is still practiced in many ways, and in many countries legally, to this day.
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But that's what the brain does on CRT. CRT in its crudest form is black oppressed, white oppressor.
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And if that is the lens through which you see the world, then it is impossible to say
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that Africans could be on the hook for part of the slave trade. Or that there are people who are not
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white, who were at the very least complicit in the oppression of other black human beings. And yet,
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the history of the world is messy. It is not broken down in that black-white dichotomy. The history of
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the world is a history of being enslaved, and being enslavers, of being oppressed, of being oppressors,
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of being colonizers, of being colonized, of being the conquered, and of the one doing the conquering.
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That is the history of the world. That is the history of every people group, of every skin color, of every
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ethnicity, of every nationality. As she pointed out, if we want to start calculating who's getting reparations,
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everyone is going to be owed something. But guess what? Guess what? The gospel frees us from that
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complicated, illogical mess of trying to figure out who owes us what, based on the sins of people who
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may have looked like us at some point in history in the same geographical region that we currently live
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in. It's illogical. It's based on a collectivist mentality that really has no grounding in reality
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and certainly has no grounding in Christian theology. So that was longer. That was more of a response than
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I anticipated giving. But this Hillary Ford, which lady gave such a good point, I hope that gives
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something to Don Lamond to chew on for a little bit. All right. Speaking of being made in the image of God
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and being detached from that reality, from that truth, leading to us seeing the world and seeing ourselves
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and seeing our fellow human beings in a way that is wrong, that is unhealthy. Let us talk about the gender
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madness that continues to play out in absolutely ludicrous and very harmful ways in our society.
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All right. I want to talk about this crazy story that I saw circulating on Twitter over the weekend.
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It's a teacher in the Toronto area who is wearing, and this is, let me just say, like, this is probably
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not good to listen to or to watch with your kids around because, unfortunately, this is a very creepy
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and perverse and just a strange story that you probably just don't want them hearing about or
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seeing. But it is a teacher, a man, all right, a man wearing these massive fake boobs, all right?
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And we're not just talking about any massive fake boobs. Like, we are talking about massive fake boobs
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that, how do I say this politely, did not have a bra on. And so we're going to play, there's no sound
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in this clip, but we're going to play a little clip. And just so you can see that I'm not making
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this up. It's a very brief clip just for the purpose of evidence. Here it is. Yep. Okay. So you see
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that, and I don't know, he's teaching shop class. He's got, like, a saw trying to cut a piece of
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wood. All right. He's wearing a skirt. He's got a terrible wig on, not convincing at all. And he
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is somehow, I mean, he looks absolutely ridiculous. This is why it is so hard to tell the difference
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between satire and reality. And this is what I said on Twitter, and I absolutely believe that this is
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true, that this is a form of sexual harassment. He is around a bunch of young teenage boys wearing
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these prosthetic breasts, not because he actually thinks that he is a woman, but because he has a
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fetish, because he is getting off on this, because he likes the idea of these little boys gawking at
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his breasts. That's how perverse this is. And if you have listened to my interview with Genevieve
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Glock, if you have not, I highly recommend doing so, and I'm about to have her back on the program.
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She has, through her research and through her journalism, uncovered the roots of this ideology
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and the kind of men in power who are pushing this kind of thing. And it comes from a place not of
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empathy, not of affirmation, not of compassion and understanding, but a place for men from sexual
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perversion. I'm not saying that all men who truly struggle with gender dysphoria have what is called
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autogynephilia, and that is where you get turned on by, in their case, dressing up like a woman. I'm
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not saying that for everyone who struggles with gender confusion as a man, that it is coming from a
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place of sexual perversion. But the ideology, the activists, the bulk of this movement, what is pushing
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this Ford? It absolutely does come from a place of fetishism. It comes from different forms of now
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popularized pornography, where men are sissified for the purpose of sexual pleasure. There is also an
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inextricable relationship with pedophilia going on here. It's not a coincidence that you keep hearing
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these stories of men who like to dress up as sexualized women and dance in front of children
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or walk around in front of young men. There's nothing innocent about that. There's no innocuous
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reason for a man to want to dress up in drag clothes, in fake boobs, in titty tassels, and in thongs and get
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dollar bills from young children. There's no good justification for that. And the same goes for
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this instance. And in case you think that this is just some big joke that conservatives are blowing
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out of proportion that we shouldn't really care about, the high school, which is Oakville Trafalgar
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High School outside Toronto, has come out now saying, oh, well, you know, this is just something
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that happens. We accept gender identity. We want to be accepting. Redux Magazine says this, that the
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teacher is transgender, so-called, and pre-transitioning was known to students and faculty as male and went by
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a male name. The man allegedly began identifying his woman last year. Imagine that. You live your life for
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however long, 40 years, and all of a sudden you want to become a woman, and not just like an actual
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woman, but someone with like boobs the size of Saturn. The kids here most definitely don't think
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it's normal, but realistically we can't say anything. One student said on Twitter, last year the teacher
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was a man. I don't think the school can fire him. Think about the discomfort and the confusion that you
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are purposely putting on children here, not to mention the sexualization that is so obviously
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intended in him wearing something like this. In October 2021, this high school released guidelines,
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the Halton District School Board released guidelines regarding so-called gender identity and gender
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expressions. It says school staff have to use preferred pronouns. They have to allow students to use the
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change room that is most gender affirming. So you see how something that is a common thread in this
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movement is that everyone else's safety and comfort always has to be sacrificed for the delusions of the
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people who say that they're the opposite gender. Even ridiculous ones like this. Like this person's not
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trying to be subtle. This person's not just saying, oh, you know, like this just makes me more comfortable
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if I can wear some nail polish or some lipstick. No, he is trying to be as overt about this as possible.
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This person just wants attention because he has a sexual predation fetish going on here.
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And if we are not willing to call this what it is for the sake of children, for their minds and their eyes
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in their hearts, then like, what is your line? Like if you were someone, especially if you call
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yourself a Christian and you see this and you're like, oh, well, it's none of my business. I should
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just affirm this. Let's just have empathy for this person. What is your line? Like what's your
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boundary? At what point do you say, okay, yeah, I'm going to probably start speaking up about this
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or yeah, I think that this is a problem. Like what is it now that you have seen, if you're paying
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attention at all, grown men on a regular basis in different cities in this country,
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dancing almost naked in front of young children for money. Now that you have seen that children's
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hospitals are regularly cutting off the healthy breasts of minors, the healthy penises of minors,
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leaving them with irreversible damage, all of this happening legally. Now that you know all of that,
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are you willing to admit that maybe this is a problem? An unconditional affirmation and superficial,
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unhealthy, dangerous forms of empathy maybe are not the answer? Like, are you willing to wake up to
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this reality? Because look, children are being placed on the altar of this. It's not just some
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conservative culture war that we're blowing out of proportion. I wish to God that that was the case.
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I wish that this weren't happening. But unfortunately, it is. Unfortunately, our children
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are a victim of it. And the high school said that this does not violate the dress codes.
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And that they are simply trying to create a community that is committed to, they said,
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establishing and maintaining a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable, and welcoming learning
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and working environment for all students and staff. That was their response to this ridiculous man
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wearing these fake breasts. What they actually mean is that everyone has to sacrifice having a welcoming
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and healthy learning and working environment so this person isn't offended. That's what they're
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actually saying. That's how much we care about children in this world, in today's society. That's
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how much we care about their well-being. That we are prioritizing the fetishes of perverted grown men
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over the safety and security and well-being of adolescents. That's where we are. It's really
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disgusting and it's really disturbing. And I wish parents in this area, I know Canada, I mean,
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there's a lot of you from Canada and I love you so much and you're so strong and you've stood so
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strong over the past couple of years, especially. But I think even you would agree, in some cases,
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Canada just seems too far gone. But I wish, I hope that there are some parents in this area who will
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stand up and say no, because there is strength in numbers. Things can absolutely change. And you know
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one piece of evidence that things can change for the better? Glenn Youngkin, the governor of Virginia.
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He has made an amazing move when it comes to the transgender student policies in the state of
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Virginia. And his election was the result of a number of parents standing up and saying,
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enough. I'm tired of this going on in our public school system. I'm tired of pornography. I'm tired
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of critical race theory. I'm tired of this left-wing indoctrination, the driving the wedge between
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parents and children. I'm tired of it. We are going to vote for a party that is not in bed with
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the corrupt teachers union. And Glenn Youngkin, an underdog, won the gubernatorial race in Virginia.
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People said that that would never happen. And it did. And now he is enacting good policies that are
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going to protect parental rights and protect children. So praise God for that. And I am going
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to explain to you the details of those things in just one second. All right. Let me tell you about
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this awesome, awesome change by Governor Youngkin of Virginia. So this is according to NBC
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and Fox 5. NBC obviously not happy about this. Fox 5 a little more neutral in their reporting. So
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Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin on Friday updated model policies regarding the treatment of transgender
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students. The Virginia Department of Education updated its 2021 model policies for the treatment
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of the students, noting that the guidelines under the previous administration disregarded the rights
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of parents. So under the Democrat administration and ignored other legal and constitutional principles
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that significantly impact how schools educate students, including transgender students. So
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that's a little troubling that that even existed. Not surprising based on how the school boards have
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been acting in Virginia. But that came from a Democrat controlled Department of Education,
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which is and has been for a long time seeking to undermine the rights of parents and to make sure that
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the primary mentor and caretaker for students is the public education system. Virginia's Department
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of Education under Youngkin has now listed first under the guiding principles section that, quote,
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parents have the right to make decisions with respect to their children and that the policies shall be
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drafted to safeguard parents' rights with respect to their child and to facilitate the exercise of those
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rights. The policies go on to cite the 14th Amendment in the Constitution, which gives parents a
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fundamental right to direct the upbringing and education of their children. The new model policies say
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students participation in certain school programming and use of school facilities like bathrooms or
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locker rooms should be based on their sex with modifications offered only to the extent required
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under federal law. The policies also say that students who are minors must be referred to by the name
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and pronouns in their official records unless a parent approves the use of something else. And so obviously I would
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like for kids to never be referred to as anything other than what their sex is. But in this case, they are
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saying, look, the parent has to know. And if you don't know, this is a huge problem across the board of not just
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individual teachers, but even school systems saying that they are going to allow a child to go by a
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different name, to go by a different gender, to go by different pronouns. And the school or the teacher
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will ask the students, is it OK for me to call you by this name and pronouns in front of your parents? If
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the child says, no, please don't, then these schools will keep it a secret from their parents. And you see
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the idea that is within that kind of practice. And that is that parents are a threat, that parents are a real
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danger to their kids and that these teachers and that this school, that they know better, that they love the
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kids better, that they are better at seeking the interest of this child, which is always just unconditional
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affirmation of who the child declares that they are. So the parent who has known that child from
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birth, who was there when they either adopted that child or when the doctor laid that child on their
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chest, who knows everything about that child from their favorite food, from their favorite memory, who
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has woken up countless times in the middle of the night to comfort that scared child, who knows their
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child's strengths and weaknesses, hopes and dreams, who loves that child more than life itself.
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would die a thousand deaths for that child. Under previous policies, the Virginia Department
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of Education said, no, that parent doesn't have authority. The public school system does. The
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state does. And that is true in many, many states across the country. And that is wrong. That is morally
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wrong. Obviously, as Christians, we know that's theologically wrong. And yes, of course, there are cases in
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which the state and public schools need to step in when there is legitimate abuse, when there is
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legitimate fear of abuse and mistreatment by the parents. But these schools are already, these teachers
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are already mandatory reporters. In most states, by law, they are required to say if they believe that
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that child is actually being abused or neglected or mistreated at home. That is something that they are
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legally bound to do. So in all of these cases, when you hear that the teachers are keeping secret the
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pronouns of these kids from their parents, it's not actually because they think these parents are
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abusive. They would have already reported them. It's because they want to drive a wedge between
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parent and child. Of course, that's demonic. That is satanic. That's what the dark powers that be
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have been trying to do since the beginning of time. If you look at the history of communism,
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for example, in the 20th century, or even fascism, any kind of totalitarianism. One of the first orders
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of business that the state does is try to recruit child soldiers and take them away from the care
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and from the mentorship of their parents. I mean, George Orwell even writes about this in 1984,
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how Big Brother would turn children from their parents and the children will become spies against
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their parents and turn them in to the secret police if their parents committed any thought crime or
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any infraction. And so this is out of the left-wing playbook. This is out of the totalitarian playbook
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and always has and always has been. We have talked about the consequences of this,
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how children who are separated from their parents and then are pushed into transition by school
00:28:20.120
counselors, by school administrators, they often become, if not just completely depressed,
00:28:25.860
suicidal. They're taken out of their home. They're putting in different kind of shelters. They often
00:28:30.700
end up homeless. They're not better off without their parents, without the people who care for them.
00:28:35.520
It's actually the exact opposite of what these trans activists say, that, oh, if parents don't
00:28:40.860
affirm their child and allow them to go on hormones and puberty blockers and get double mastectomies and
00:28:48.100
these kids are going to commit suicide. No, it's actually part of it is actually the breakdown of
00:28:56.280
relationships and the lack of true love that often happens when this ideology breaks parents apart and
00:29:05.480
separates children from their parents that causes them so much mental distress and isolation.
00:29:12.520
So I'm so glad that Governor Youngkin and his Department of Education is doing this. This really
00:29:18.280
will save lives. It'll save families. It'll save a lot of anxiety in parents, but it really will
00:29:26.320
save the lives of young people as well. Schools may not encourage teachers to conceal information about a
00:29:33.360
student's gender from his or her parents. Parents must be given an opportunity to object before counseling
00:29:38.920
services pertaining to gender are offered. Praise God. The 2022 policies are designed to provide clear,
00:29:45.560
accurate and useful guidance to Virginia school boards that align with statutory provisions and took into
00:29:51.660
account 9000 public comments, according to the Virginia Department of Education. Oh, isn't this what's it
00:29:57.820
called? Democracy? Hmm. I thought that leftist said that they like that. Every local school board is
00:30:04.220
required to adopt policies that are consistent with these new 2022 model policies. The guidance is
00:30:11.180
subject to 30 day public comment period that opens later this month. You know, praise God. It really
00:30:17.380
matters who you vote for. I mean, this is a result of two things that we say so much. It's a result of
00:30:22.820
parents raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, trying to get him elected that is
00:30:27.740
translating into real policy change that is really going to positively impact people. And it's also
00:30:33.740
people recognizing that politics matter because policy matters because people matter. Politics
00:30:38.120
affects policy. Policy affects people. And while the Republican Party is so far from perfect that I just
00:30:43.320
wish there were more more Republicans who would actually just do something, who would stand up and push
00:30:49.400
back and not be so cowardly and not give in on every social and cultural issue because they think it's
00:30:55.860
too divisive and they're afraid of the LGBTQ lobbyists that are going to go against them. While I wish that
00:31:02.240
the GOP was more conservative and more courageous and more clear, there are some good ones out there. And I
00:31:09.640
really have a hard time understanding why anyone at this point knowing the ideology of each platform would
00:31:16.360
vote Democrat. Now, I understand if you completely agree with the ideology. If you're like, yeah, parents
00:31:21.580
should be secondary in authority to the state and to teachers. Yeah, we should be transing our kids.
00:31:28.040
Like if that's your idea, then yeah, I guess I understand. If you're like, yeah, you know, I think that
00:31:33.680
mass homelessness and increased crime in murder, like what's happening in Illinois with their new
00:31:40.520
bill or new law, which is actually going to turn the state into basically the purge, what's happening
00:31:46.660
in California, what's happening in Austin, what's happening in Denver, what's happening in Oregon and
00:31:51.820
Washington with homelessness and crime, just absolutely rampant. I guess if you think that
00:31:55.960
that's good, if you think that record inflation is good, if you think calling all of your political
00:32:02.320
opponents fascist and threat to the threat to the Republic is good, if you think unfettered abortion paid for
00:32:09.580
by the taxpayer is good, like if you think all of those things are good, I understand why you would
00:32:14.140
vote Democrat more power to you. But if you don't, I can't say that I comprehend your vote. I can't say
00:32:20.960
that I comprehend at this point with as much as we know now how you could vote Democrat. Are you still
00:32:26.280
really under the impression that this is about democracy or something like that? Come on, it's time
00:32:33.840
for us to wake up. It's time for us to wake up and we will, we will welcome you with open arms. All
00:32:40.380
right. Now I've got an amazing conversation for you. A quick conversation with our friend,
00:32:46.820
Jennifer Law. You know, Jennifer, because she's been on twice and you love every time I interview her
00:32:51.720
founder and president of the Center for Bioethics and Culture Network. She is a former pediatric critical
00:32:56.820
care nurse and hospital administrator. We have talked to her in the past about the ethics of things
00:33:02.320
like IVF and like surrogacy. She has done a lot of work in this area. Go back, listen to those
00:33:08.420
previous interviews if you haven't already. And she has just produced an amazing documentary called
00:33:14.700
Detransition Diaries, Saving Our Sisters. It's so compelling. And I just want to hear you or I just
00:33:22.100
want you to hear her talk about it. And then I want you to go immediately and download it and watch it
00:33:28.380
with all of your friends and family. Okay. Before we start talking to Jennifer, let me play you
00:33:44.860
a short trailer of her documentary. From when I was very young, around five years old, I felt like I was
00:33:53.960
limited in what I could do in life as a girl or as a woman. By the time I was about 13, I was starting
00:34:01.920
to feel really depressed. I started self-harming. I started developing an eating disorder. I was
00:34:08.380
introduced to a belief system. If you don't fit in, that's a sign that you're trans. If you don't like
00:34:14.840
your body, then that's a sign that you're trans. And if you transition, all of these problems will be
00:34:20.200
fixed. When I was 22, I started injecting testosterone into my body so that I could
00:34:28.740
medically transition from female to male. Pretty much as soon as I turned 18, I made
00:34:33.960
an appointment. I went to Planned Parenthood. One appointment took about an hour. I called
00:34:39.680
Planned Parenthood. We had about a 30-minute phone conversation. And then I was prescribed
00:34:44.500
testosterone over the phone. I was saying stuff like, oh, I think that I'm going to be so much
00:34:49.300
happier after I transition. Like, I'm really depressed now and I'm suicidal, but everything's
00:34:54.920
going to be so much better after I transition. I wanted people to know that there is life after
00:34:59.020
detransition, even if you've made serious physical changes. Woman, women, mother, mom, girls,
00:35:07.840
girls, daughter. To those people, the peddlers of transgender ideology, these are not your words to give
00:35:15.340
away. Jennifer, welcome back. Thank you so much for joining us this time. Yeah, this time we're
00:35:23.380
talking about the Detransition Diaries. You had your big launch last night. Tell us about it. What
00:35:29.660
is this documentary about? Yeah, well, we did. We went live yesterday. So we actually rented a movie
00:35:36.180
theater, which is great because the theaters were closed for so long with COVID. So it was nice to see
00:35:41.320
a film on the big screen and a big live audience. And we didn't have any protesters, which was,
00:35:47.420
gosh, really an answer to prayer because we were expecting to have all kinds of people screaming on
00:35:51.100
the street. But it was a good energy, a well-engaged audience. I was surprised by how many people said
00:35:58.340
they actually teared up and how emotional the film was, which I agree it is. But the Detransition
00:36:05.420
Diaries is a look at three women who thought that they were born in the wrong body and were told that
00:36:15.080
and felt that if they changed their sex and became men, that that would solve all their problems and
00:36:20.900
make all their gender dysphoria and their depression and their body image problems go away. Of course,
00:36:26.300
they only found out that it didn't help. And in fact, it actually made things quite worse in some of
00:36:32.660
their cases. So it's a beautiful story of, you know, three firsthand account, you know, women
00:36:38.880
telling their story. And I, all through the whole editing and scripting process, people kept asking
00:36:45.880
me, do you have a favorite in the film? And I actually just fell in love with all three of these
00:36:50.940
women. They're, they're dynamic. They're, they're bold and courageous. They're sweet and kind or
00:36:57.660
articulate. They don't come across as mean or angry or bitter. They come across as very trustworthy.
00:37:04.240
And I've just felt honored to be able to hold their stories and let the world sort of hear their
00:37:10.960
stories. And then the film also was released yesterday on demand on our Vimeo channel. So
00:37:16.140
people who miss the live theater audience can go to our Vimeo channel and watch the film.
00:37:21.700
Good. And we'll definitely link that in the description, both on YouTube and on the listening
00:37:26.160
side of things so people can easily click it. And obviously we want people to go watch this
00:37:30.740
for themselves. So I don't want to give too much away. But when you were talking to these women,
00:37:36.900
what was one common thread that you saw maybe early on in their lives that seemed to be an indication
00:37:46.360
that things weren't going the way that they should, at least as far as their mental health goes? Was it
00:37:54.860
their upbringing? Was it a traumatic event? Was it involvement in social media forums? What did you
00:38:00.880
find there? Yeah. I mean, again, just to remind your audience who don't know me, I did work in
00:38:06.880
clinical nursing for many, many years. So what was sort of scandalous and appalling to me was the fact
00:38:13.400
that these women did all have various troubling backgrounds that should have been red flags before
00:38:20.640
doctors and therapists started putting them on what I call the super highway to transgender medicine or
00:38:26.340
affirmation care. So yeah, one woman experienced a significant loss as a young girl, a death of
00:38:33.680
somebody close to her. And the family that she grew up in was kind of a family that didn't talk about
00:38:38.980
things that sort of swept things under the rug. You know, they all had those awkward moments as young
00:38:45.400
girls where they felt uncomfortable in their body. They didn't like their body. They thought they were
00:38:49.600
fat and they were ugly. They didn't fit in. They wished that they could be boys because boys seem to
00:38:54.740
have such an easier road, if you will. So, so many, you know, eating disorders was a common
00:39:01.900
theme with a couple of the girls. And, you know, they weren't. But, but, but I want to put that in the
00:39:11.280
sense of this. These are oftentimes very normal things that young, young people go through. So it wasn't
00:39:16.940
like they needed to be institutionalized. They needed counseling. They need therapy. But they
00:39:23.200
didn't need hormones and surgeries. Right. And that's, that's the thing is that, and, you know,
00:39:28.760
you've talked about this a lot. Abigail Schreier has talked about this a lot, that young girls,
00:39:35.080
I mean, adolescents in general, but especially young girls, you do go through a period when you
00:39:40.080
are going through puberty or just during those teenage years where it's really hard sometimes to be in your
00:39:45.760
own body. It's really hard to be a girl. I talked to a detransitioner a few weeks ago. Her name was,
00:39:53.400
her name is Sophie. And she was talking about, we talked about how one aspect of her wanting to
00:40:00.160
quote unquote become a boy or a man was to try to get rid of the vulnerability that she saw as inherent
00:40:08.680
in womanhood, that she just was very uncomfortable with as her body changed. And as she grew up with
00:40:16.200
being sexualized, with being objectified, with being looked at or gawked at or, um, or whistled at or
00:40:23.620
whatever it is. And she felt that, well, if I become more masculine first, you know, just dressing in a
00:40:31.320
masculine way, but then actually trying to identify as a man, getting top surgery, going on hormones,
00:40:37.880
then I won't be prey anymore. Then I won't be vulnerable. And while I have never struggled with
00:40:44.960
any kind of gender confusion, I understand that mentality. I understand that fear. I understand
00:40:51.960
the vulnerable that is in the vulnerability that is innate in femininity. And that is innate in
00:40:58.280
womanhood, um, that really, you know, men can't fully comprehend, but instead of showing compassion
00:41:05.900
to these young women and saying, Hey, this is normal. And here's how we kind of deal with these
00:41:09.920
feelings. They're being pushed. And as you have mentioned before, into being slaves to the medical
00:41:16.140
industrial complex, that's just pushing them on this, as you said, this highway to transition.
00:41:23.500
Yeah. And one of the young women in the film actually did have that kind of experience as a
00:41:27.940
little girl. She had a little neighborhood boy playmate, um, who was way too wise or unwise
00:41:36.160
for his young years. And, you know, would actually say, you know, we should kiss and we should take
00:41:41.240
our clothes off and do things like that, which made her feel very uncomfortable as a, you know,
00:41:45.760
a younger than 10 year old little girl, as you can imagine. And children don't really know how to
00:41:50.740
handle those kinds of things other than they feel, um, at risk. They feel, they feel afraid.
00:41:56.180
So I remember as a young nurse, you know, it was a back in the day before we had all this, um,
00:42:01.660
sexual harassment stuff in the workplace. And, you know, I, I had doctors that would be very
00:42:07.080
inappropriate with, with me. I oftentimes, when I would get off work at the hospital at midnight at
00:42:11.320
night, I had to walk out to a dark parking lot to get to my car would feel like, you know, really
00:42:15.920
afraid. I don't think men sort of have that kind of, you know, category that they don't walk out at
00:42:20.240
night to their car in the dark and feel like, Oh my gosh, am I going to get attacked?
00:42:23.580
Yeah. Right. And so I think that we're just kind of categorizing all of these very normal feelings,
00:42:30.500
or maybe sometimes they're abnormal some, because some of these girls, they don't just have the
00:42:35.440
normal discomfort that comes with adolescence and growing up, but they also have serious trauma in
00:42:40.580
their past, or they have serious depression, serious anxiety. Sometimes they're on the autism
00:42:46.420
spectrum. And even that, all of that is kind of being, in some cases, shoved to the side and just
00:42:53.180
kind of placed under this umbrella, well, you're probably just transgender. And then what's being
00:42:58.860
found is that transitioning is not actually helping the mental health of these young girls. Is that
00:43:05.840
what the women that you interviewed found as well? Yeah, they, they kept thinking that, you know,
00:43:13.140
there, there was flags along the way in their steps in their transition, you know, when they went
00:43:17.920
onto testosterone and this, all the negative effects of testosterone, when one of the women in the film
00:43:22.680
actually moved forward with the double mastectomy and had her breasts removed, but they, they tell
00:43:28.200
themselves that because they have this dysphoria, this is part of what I need to do to get rid of
00:43:33.860
this dysphoria. So when they have negative symptoms of testosterone, they go, but, but that bright future
00:43:40.980
is just around the corner. If I have to stay on this path and maybe I feel regret right now,
00:43:45.840
but you know, tomorrow will be better. You know, we've all been in situations in our life where
00:43:50.040
things are really going bad and we just kind of go, tomorrow will be better. Tomorrow will be better.
00:43:54.880
And it was only until, you know, in, in cats, cat is one of the women in the film, who's a beautiful
00:44:01.020
singer. She actually produced and performs an original song in the film, you know, when the
00:44:06.280
testosterone just totally destroyed her singing voice that, that jarred her enough to take, you know,
00:44:12.360
to take the steps back and stop taking the testosterone. And she canceled her double
00:44:16.740
mastectomy surgery. It was when Grace went on a website and heard of another transition person
00:44:22.980
who kept talking about no matter what they did with their body in, in surgeries and corrections
00:44:28.500
and therapies and drugs, they, they found something else to be unhappy with. And she realized at that
00:44:34.500
point, there will be no bottom to this. I will, even if I have now the phalloplasty surgery,
00:44:39.840
then I will have something else that she saw. It talks about how I still have wide hips like a
00:44:45.000
woman and I can't get rid of my hips. So she realized then that there was really no bottom
00:44:49.680
to this pursuing this path and to stop, you know, immediately. She's not sure whether she's going to
00:44:55.680
have reconstructive surgery at this point. She's not sure if she's damaged her fertility. She talks
00:45:00.920
about on the film about how when she transitioned, she wasn't thinking she even wanted children.
00:45:05.760
But now that she's happily married to a man, she's really wants children. And she doesn't know if
00:45:11.640
she'll be able to have children now that she's taken so much testosterone in her body.
00:45:15.720
And that's one aspect of this that just breaks my heart is that of course, when you're 16, 17,
00:45:32.380
even 20 years old, you just don't really have the capacity to understand what you will want
00:45:40.040
on the other side of this, what you will want one day. Of course, you don't want children right now.
00:45:45.200
You're young, you're living your life, you're doing what you want to do. So it's hard for you
00:45:49.400
to imagine the desires that come with growing up. And one of those desires is motherhood.
00:45:55.420
And you have completely, these doctors have completely ruined their chances, these girls'
00:46:01.900
chances of becoming moms biologically very often. And even if they don't, even if they gain their
00:46:07.900
fertility, these women, these young women, young girls who are having double mastectomies,
00:46:12.420
they'll never be able to breastfeed. They'll never even have that option. That's something
00:46:17.480
that has been taken away from them forever. And it just seems like so much of the compassion in
00:46:24.140
the mainstream, even part of like what I would consider the quote unquote, I don't know, social
00:46:28.700
justice church. The compassion and empathy, we're told only has to be directed towards those who say
00:46:36.420
that they're the opposite gender from what they are. But I really don't see those people very often
00:46:41.760
highlighting these detransition stories and looking like we're causing irreversible damage. And very
00:46:48.200
few people are willing to stand up and say stop.
00:46:51.420
Yeah. And we had a discussion last night after the showing of the film and Kat in the film was on
00:46:57.060
hand. So she was live in the audience. And we also had a mother who's very involved in the state of
00:47:02.820
California opposing our gender affirmation laws that are on Governor Newsom's desk right now for
00:47:08.520
him to sign. And, you know, it was very clear that, you know, these, these kids are also spending so
00:47:15.720
much time on social media. And when this one mom was talking about her own daughter, who became what
00:47:21.500
is called a desister, meaning her daughter lived, dressed, acted like a man, but never took any drugs or
00:47:29.700
any surgery, but she desisted in that she became comfortable being a girl in her girl body.
00:47:35.160
You know, that mother said, she took her daughter's phone away. She, she went to every school board
00:47:41.520
meeting. She read every single book that her child was going to be asked to read before her child even
00:47:46.700
started school that year. She looked at the curriculum. She talked about being the only parent
00:47:51.720
at a school board meeting this last year, where this, you know, they were going to be teaching
00:47:56.140
gender. This is after her child desisted or before, before, during and after she is, she's now happily
00:48:04.020
living with her desisted daughter, but still very active in fighting the good fight in the state.
00:48:10.180
And she runs the, she's the local woman that runs our duty dot group, which is an international
00:48:17.260
project. But she gave some real practical things because that's what people need, especially parents.
00:48:22.780
You know, when you all of a sudden have a child that you've known and loved their whole life,
00:48:26.560
and all of a sudden they come home and say they're born in the wrong body and they want you to call
00:48:29.560
them this, you know, parents need the tools because right now they're not going to be able to be
00:48:34.320
getting trustworthy tools from their physician necessarily from their child's teacher necessarily
00:48:40.080
from therapists, um, the internet. But, but when you look at the growing number of
00:48:46.180
detransitioners in the Reddit community, uh, it's exploding. And I think, you know, the,
00:48:52.540
the trans activists like to say that these detransitioners are my minority, a minor voice
00:48:58.920
in this debate, which they are not. And I think we are going to see way more people becoming more
00:49:03.540
emboldened to tell their story. Once movies like the detransition diaries and others come out and
00:49:09.460
people start hearing, Whoa, what are we doing? What have we done?
00:49:13.240
Yeah. So this is a good movie, obviously to watch if you're on our side of things and you already
00:49:19.320
know how dangerous and, and deadly this whole industry and movement is just to hear from people's
00:49:26.840
personal stories, just to be equipped, uh, with those stories and with those testimonies. But it
00:49:32.000
would also be great for you to watch for people to watch with those who are on the fence, or maybe
00:49:37.700
they're not even on the fence, but they just kind of deny that this is something that exists or who
00:49:42.540
think, as I kind of described a second ago, who think all of the empathy should just be in the
00:49:48.580
direction of affirming someone's stated identity rather than seeing the physical damage that is
00:49:56.760
being done on these young people's bodies. So this is going to convince and persuade, but it's also
00:50:03.680
going to embolden those of us and empower those of us who already are in this fight. Just remind us,
00:50:10.960
to double down on our efforts. And so I'm just so thankful for you for giving a platform
00:50:17.180
to these women. I hope that you make many more detransition diaries. Fortunately and unfortunately,
00:50:23.960
there will be many more of these stories and someone's got to give them a pedestal. And so
00:50:28.980
I'm thankful that you're doing that. So people can go to the Vimeo link, correct? Is there anywhere
00:50:33.980
else you'd like them to go? Well, I think the Vimeo channel first, because I really want people
00:50:40.040
to see the movie. If you just go to Vimeo and you just search for the detransition diaries,
00:50:44.140
the film will pop up. But we do have a YouTube channel that's full of all kinds of other free
00:50:49.560
content. And all of our other movies are there. The Vimeo is a pay-per-view. So we're asking people
00:50:55.600
to be willing to chip in. I'm telling people it's basically about the cost of a Starbucks pumpkin
00:51:00.780
latte to watch it. Just because we have some budget bills to pay. But once we've covered our
00:51:07.860
budget, we'll move it on to YouTube for free viewing, too. And we've already had people in
00:51:11.980
Italy that have asked to translate the film into Italian. And that's in 24 hours.
00:51:17.160
That is awesome. Well, I just pray that this continues to take off. Thank you so much,
00:51:21.740
Jennifer, for taking the time to come on and for all that you do.
00:51:30.780
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