Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 681 ｜ Sexual Fetish or Transgender？ & Big Win for Virginia Parents ｜ Guest： Jennifer Lahl

00:00:00.000 While you probably don't want to watch or listen to this episode with your kids, unfortunately,

00:00:06.920 the transgender activists are at it again. This time, there is a teacher outside of Toronto

00:00:12.060 who is wearing something really inappropriate, I guess, to try to make a point about his so-called

00:00:18.900 gender identity. We're going to talk about that, and we're also going to discuss some good news

00:00:24.460 coming out of the state of Virginia, not just when it comes to gender ideology,

00:00:28.700 but also when it comes to parents' rights. Then we will talk to my friend Jennifer Law about her new 0.82

00:00:35.360 documentary, The De-Transition Diaries. This episode is brought to you by our friends

00:00:40.600 at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com slash Allie. That's goodranchers.com slash Allie.

00:00:45.400 All right. Before we get into all of the crazy gender madness, I want to talk about 1.00

00:01:00.680 two things. First and foremost, you see my sticker, my new sticker on the back of my laptop. It says

00:01:09.920 Question Everything. And it has a T-Rex with an American flag landing on the moon. And if you have

00:01:16.440 no idea what I'm talking about, or if you have no idea why we created this sticker, then you need to

00:01:22.880 go back and listen to episode 670. 670. You need to go listen to episode 670 because we talked about

00:01:31.820 this and it made some people very, very mad. And so we decided to make a sticker out of it.

00:01:37.580 So you can get it. We'll link it in the description of this episode. And you can buy it for yourself.

00:01:44.600 It's just five bucks and it's really fun. And finally, I have this empty space on my laptop

00:01:50.160 filled. It's been really bothering me for a long time. And we got a couple other items coming down

00:01:55.760 the pipeline too. Also, I saw this clip this morning. It's from the CNN Don Lemon show, which has

00:02:04.160 actually been canceled. He's moving to the morning now, I think with a couple co-hosts. But he

00:02:10.080 interviewed this woman named Hillary Ford, which she is a royal commentator, a business development

00:02:16.580 leader. I don't really know what that means. But Don Lemon thought that he was raising, I guess,

00:02:24.000 a compelling question about slavery and colonialism, reparations being paid by the royal family to

00:02:32.660 the descendants of those who suffered from these things. And her response is just

00:02:40.000 incredible. Here it is.

00:02:42.900 And then you have those who are asking for reparations for colonialism. And they're wondering,

00:02:48.640 you know, $100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there. Some people want to be paid back

00:02:55.500 and members of the public are wondering, why are we suffering when you are, you know, you have all of

00:03:00.560 this vast wealth? Those are legitimate concerns. Well, I think you're right about reparations in

00:03:05.900 terms of if people want it, though, what they need to do is you always need to go back to the

00:03:09.840 beginning of a supply chain. Where was the beginning of the supply chain? That was in Africa. And when

00:03:15.200 across the entire world, when slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that 0.52

00:03:20.500 abolished slavery? The first nation in the world to abolish it. It was started by William Wilberforce,

00:03:25.640 was the British. In Great Britain, they abolished slavery. 2,000 naval men died on the high seas

00:03:33.420 trying to stop slavery. Why? Because the African kings were rounding up their own people. They had

00:03:39.340 them on cages waiting in the beaches. No one was running into Africa to get them. And I think you're 0.53

00:03:43.960 totally right. If reparations need to be paid, we need to go right back to the beginning of that

00:03:48.420 supply chain and say, who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffing cages?

00:03:53.060 Absolutely. That's where they should start. And maybe, I don't know, the descendants of those

00:03:57.620 families where they died in the high seas trying to stop the slavery, that those families should

00:04:02.740 receive something too, I think, at the same time. It's an interesting discussion, Hillary. Thank you

00:04:08.880 very much. I appreciate it. We'll continue to discuss in the future. I don't think that Don Lemon was

00:04:16.780 expecting that kind of answer. I mean, she was just so confident. And I don't think that his brain saw

00:04:24.260 exactly where she was going. But I thought that that was a brilliant answer. And I'm so glad that

00:04:30.340 she brought up William Wilberforce, who is an amazing ambassador for the gospel and incredible and bold

00:04:37.820 Christian. He said this. He said,

00:04:40.720 And that's what he set out to do throughout his life. There were other countries who abolished slavery

00:04:55.840 around the time that Britain did. But really, William Wilberforce was on the front lines of this. He was

00:05:02.520 at the helm. He was the one that was pushing the abolition of slavery. And his motivation for it

00:05:08.820 wasn't primarily political. It was spiritual. It was a gospel motivation because he believed he knew

00:05:16.260 that all people are made in the image of God. He rejected the ideology that secular progressivists

00:05:22.120 hold today, which is that we are just clumps of cells. We're just accidental balls of matter.

00:05:27.980 We're basically just bodies. We are self-creating, self-declaring, self-identifying. No,

00:05:35.620 he believed. He knew that we were made by God and made in his image and given innate worth. And

00:05:43.380 therefore, the objectification that is inherent in chattel slavery is wrong. And so he set out to

00:05:51.600 persuade his fellow countrymen to abolish slavery. And it was an uphill battle. He was in the minority

00:05:58.200 for most of history. This is something that Thomas Sowell writes about. For most of history,

00:06:02.460 slavery was not a moral question. It just was. It was just something that was a part of life.

00:06:10.380 Now, slavery looked different, different times in different cultures. Very often, slavery in the

00:06:15.300 ancient world was a way to get out of debt. You were kind of considered a bond servant. And then,

00:06:23.260 of course, that is different from the kind of slavery that was practiced in places like Britain or the

00:06:28.420 United States, which was really just chattel slavery. It wasn't to pay off any debts. And yet, 0.56

00:06:36.100 slavery really wasn't a spiritual question. It really wasn't a moral question that a whole lot

00:06:42.260 of people were asking for most of history. And Christianity changed that. The morality of 0.98

00:06:48.120 Christianity slowly and over time revolutionized, at least in the Western world, what people thought

00:06:55.160 about human beings, what people thought about the vulnerable, and what people thought about right

00:06:59.940 and wrong. When Christianity came on the scene in pagan Greece and Rome, there was no thought to the 0.95

00:07:08.000 inherent worth of human beings, the protected class of women and children. It was only the adult free 1.00

00:07:16.800 male who was seen as having any value because he was the only one who could really produce anything for 0.82

00:07:24.280 society. Slaves, the elderly, women, children were all subjugated in these ancient societies. And

00:07:33.460 Christianity came along, and through its theology, that all people are made in the image of God,

00:07:40.120 through its gospel that says we are all equally dead in sin apart from Christ and equally alive in

00:07:46.940 Christ by grace through faith in him, revolutionized how people thought about the world, how people thought

00:07:54.180 about themselves, and how people thought about their fellow human beings. And governments conformed to

00:08:02.220 that Christian idea of not just inherent worth, but inherent human rights. The idea of human rights,

00:08:11.600 because we are human, because we are different than animals, because we are distinct from plants,

00:08:17.100 because we are inherently valuable, is based on Christian theology. Like you'll notice why most of

00:08:25.940 the charities, most of the hospitals, even most of the universities, and most institutions that have

00:08:32.100 fought for true human rights were founded by Christians, had at one point a Christian mission.

00:08:40.900 And it's obvious what happens when you get away from that worldview. It's obvious what happens when

00:08:48.920 you get away from that founding mission. The idea of humanity, what we are, what we are worth

00:08:55.900 deteriorates. It's also worth noting that there are many, many countries in the world today that do not

00:09:02.540 have that view of human beings who still practice slavery, and who still subjugate human beings,

00:09:10.620 either based on their gender, based on their class. Like in Africa today, there is still a slave trait. 0.94

00:09:19.580 And so those who say that only America or only Britain has to pay reparations, it's not logical,

00:09:27.120 because as this guest pointed out, it doesn't go all the way to the supply chain. And it ignores the

00:09:33.580 reality that slavery is still practiced in many ways, and in many countries legally, to this day.

00:09:41.840 But that's what the brain does on CRT. CRT in its crudest form is black oppressed, white oppressor. 0.99

00:09:49.140 And if that is the lens through which you see the world, then it is impossible to say

00:09:54.480 that Africans could be on the hook for part of the slave trade. Or that there are people who are not

00:10:02.080 white, who were at the very least complicit in the oppression of other black human beings. And yet,

00:10:09.820 the history of the world is messy. It is not broken down in that black-white dichotomy. The history of 0.72

00:10:16.800 the world is a history of being enslaved, and being enslavers, of being oppressed, of being oppressors,

00:10:24.860 of being colonizers, of being colonized, of being the conquered, and of the one doing the conquering.

00:10:34.300 That is the history of the world. That is the history of every people group, of every skin color, of every

00:10:39.560 ethnicity, of every nationality. As she pointed out, if we want to start calculating who's getting reparations,

00:10:46.520 everyone is going to be owed something. But guess what? Guess what? The gospel frees us from that

00:10:53.780 complicated, illogical mess of trying to figure out who owes us what, based on the sins of people who

00:11:03.100 may have looked like us at some point in history in the same geographical region that we currently live

00:11:10.500 in. It's illogical. It's based on a collectivist mentality that really has no grounding in reality

00:11:16.740 and certainly has no grounding in Christian theology. So that was longer. That was more of a response than

00:11:24.480 I anticipated giving. But this Hillary Ford, which lady gave such a good point, I hope that gives 1.00

00:11:30.720 something to Don Lamond to chew on for a little bit. All right. Speaking of being made in the image of God

00:11:38.500 and being detached from that reality, from that truth, leading to us seeing the world and seeing ourselves

00:11:47.240 and seeing our fellow human beings in a way that is wrong, that is unhealthy. Let us talk about the gender 1.00

00:11:53.880 madness that continues to play out in absolutely ludicrous and very harmful ways in our society. 0.90

00:12:00.840 All right. I want to talk about this crazy story that I saw circulating on Twitter over the weekend.

00:12:16.460 It's a teacher in the Toronto area who is wearing, and this is, let me just say, like, this is probably

00:12:23.580 not good to listen to or to watch with your kids around because, unfortunately, this is a very creepy

00:12:30.780 and perverse and just a strange story that you probably just don't want them hearing about or

00:12:36.840 seeing. But it is a teacher, a man, all right, a man wearing these massive fake boobs, all right? 0.99

00:12:45.320 And we're not just talking about any massive fake boobs. Like, we are talking about massive fake boobs 0.99

00:12:51.920 that, how do I say this politely, did not have a bra on. And so we're going to play, there's no sound 0.93

00:12:58.980 in this clip, but we're going to play a little clip. And just so you can see that I'm not making

00:13:04.260 this up. It's a very brief clip just for the purpose of evidence. Here it is. Yep. Okay. So you see

00:13:11.140 that, and I don't know, he's teaching shop class. He's got, like, a saw trying to cut a piece of

00:13:19.680 wood. All right. He's wearing a skirt. He's got a terrible wig on, not convincing at all. And he

00:13:25.480 is somehow, I mean, he looks absolutely ridiculous. This is why it is so hard to tell the difference 0.98

00:13:33.060 between satire and reality. And this is what I said on Twitter, and I absolutely believe that this is

00:13:38.220 true, that this is a form of sexual harassment. He is around a bunch of young teenage boys wearing 0.72

00:13:45.100 these prosthetic breasts, not because he actually thinks that he is a woman, but because he has a

00:13:51.180 fetish, because he is getting off on this, because he likes the idea of these little boys gawking at 0.99

00:13:58.560 his breasts. That's how perverse this is. And if you have listened to my interview with Genevieve 0.99

00:14:05.040 Glock, if you have not, I highly recommend doing so, and I'm about to have her back on the program.

00:14:10.400 She has, through her research and through her journalism, uncovered the roots of this ideology

00:14:16.560 and the kind of men in power who are pushing this kind of thing. And it comes from a place not of

00:14:25.540 empathy, not of affirmation, not of compassion and understanding, but a place for men from sexual 0.97

00:14:32.680 perversion. I'm not saying that all men who truly struggle with gender dysphoria have what is called

00:14:39.000 autogynephilia, and that is where you get turned on by, in their case, dressing up like a woman. I'm

00:14:46.420 not saying that for everyone who struggles with gender confusion as a man, that it is coming from a

00:14:50.900 place of sexual perversion. But the ideology, the activists, the bulk of this movement, what is pushing

00:14:58.440 this Ford? It absolutely does come from a place of fetishism. It comes from different forms of now

00:15:07.800 popularized pornography, where men are sissified for the purpose of sexual pleasure. There is also an

00:15:16.280 inextricable relationship with pedophilia going on here. It's not a coincidence that you keep hearing

00:15:22.740 these stories of men who like to dress up as sexualized women and dance in front of children

00:15:28.740 or walk around in front of young men. There's nothing innocent about that. There's no innocuous

00:15:35.740 reason for a man to want to dress up in drag clothes, in fake boobs, in titty tassels, and in thongs and get 1.00

00:15:44.960 dollar bills from young children. There's no good justification for that. And the same goes for

00:15:57.120 this instance. And in case you think that this is just some big joke that conservatives are blowing

00:16:01.760 out of proportion that we shouldn't really care about, the high school, which is Oakville Trafalgar

00:16:06.780 High School outside Toronto, has come out now saying, oh, well, you know, this is just something

00:16:15.180 that happens. We accept gender identity. We want to be accepting. Redux Magazine says this, that the

00:16:22.080 teacher is transgender, so-called, and pre-transitioning was known to students and faculty as male and went by

00:16:30.180 a male name. The man allegedly began identifying his woman last year. Imagine that. You live your life for

00:16:36.200 however long, 40 years, and all of a sudden you want to become a woman, and not just like an actual 0.97

00:16:41.740 woman, but someone with like boobs the size of Saturn. The kids here most definitely don't think 1.00

00:16:49.040 it's normal, but realistically we can't say anything. One student said on Twitter, last year the teacher

00:16:53.520 was a man. I don't think the school can fire him. Think about the discomfort and the confusion that you

00:17:00.540 are purposely putting on children here, not to mention the sexualization that is so obviously

00:17:09.300 intended in him wearing something like this. In October 2021, this high school released guidelines,

00:17:16.960 the Halton District School Board released guidelines regarding so-called gender identity and gender

00:17:22.800 expressions. It says school staff have to use preferred pronouns. They have to allow students to use the

00:17:29.420 change room that is most gender affirming. So you see how something that is a common thread in this

00:17:36.280 movement is that everyone else's safety and comfort always has to be sacrificed for the delusions of the

00:17:45.520 people who say that they're the opposite gender. Even ridiculous ones like this. Like this person's not 0.97

00:17:50.880 trying to be subtle. This person's not just saying, oh, you know, like this just makes me more comfortable

00:17:55.880 if I can wear some nail polish or some lipstick. No, he is trying to be as overt about this as possible.

00:18:04.880 This person just wants attention because he has a sexual predation fetish going on here.

00:18:12.400 And if we are not willing to call this what it is for the sake of children, for their minds and their eyes

00:18:18.660 in their hearts, then like, what is your line? Like if you were someone, especially if you call

00:18:24.140 yourself a Christian and you see this and you're like, oh, well, it's none of my business. I should 1.00

00:18:27.660 just affirm this. Let's just have empathy for this person. What is your line? Like what's your

00:18:33.040 boundary? At what point do you say, okay, yeah, I'm going to probably start speaking up about this

00:18:37.680 or yeah, I think that this is a problem. Like what is it now that you have seen, if you're paying

00:18:42.760 attention at all, grown men on a regular basis in different cities in this country,

00:18:49.240 dancing almost naked in front of young children for money. Now that you have seen that children's

00:18:56.020 hospitals are regularly cutting off the healthy breasts of minors, the healthy penises of minors, 0.99

00:19:02.600 leaving them with irreversible damage, all of this happening legally. Now that you know all of that, 0.98

00:19:09.200 are you willing to admit that maybe this is a problem? An unconditional affirmation and superficial,

00:19:14.540 unhealthy, dangerous forms of empathy maybe are not the answer? Like, are you willing to wake up to

00:19:21.760 this reality? Because look, children are being placed on the altar of this. It's not just some

00:19:27.480 conservative culture war that we're blowing out of proportion. I wish to God that that was the case.

00:19:32.660 I wish that this weren't happening. But unfortunately, it is. Unfortunately, our children

00:19:39.700 are a victim of it. And the high school said that this does not violate the dress codes.

00:19:47.600 And that they are simply trying to create a community that is committed to, they said,

00:19:55.960 establishing and maintaining a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable, and welcoming learning

00:20:00.000 and working environment for all students and staff. That was their response to this ridiculous man 0.98

00:20:05.760 wearing these fake breasts. What they actually mean is that everyone has to sacrifice having a welcoming 1.00

00:20:16.580 and healthy learning and working environment so this person isn't offended. That's what they're

00:20:23.620 actually saying. That's how much we care about children in this world, in today's society. That's

00:20:29.680 how much we care about their well-being. That we are prioritizing the fetishes of perverted grown men 0.97

00:20:38.060 over the safety and security and well-being of adolescents. That's where we are. It's really

00:20:45.200 disgusting and it's really disturbing. And I wish parents in this area, I know Canada, I mean,

00:20:50.300 there's a lot of you from Canada and I love you so much and you're so strong and you've stood so

00:20:55.500 strong over the past couple of years, especially. But I think even you would agree, in some cases,

00:21:00.840 Canada just seems too far gone. But I wish, I hope that there are some parents in this area who will

00:21:07.480 stand up and say no, because there is strength in numbers. Things can absolutely change. And you know

00:21:13.000 one piece of evidence that things can change for the better? Glenn Youngkin, the governor of Virginia.

00:21:20.300 He has made an amazing move when it comes to the transgender student policies in the state of

00:21:27.280 Virginia. And his election was the result of a number of parents standing up and saying,

00:21:34.000 enough. I'm tired of this going on in our public school system. I'm tired of pornography. I'm tired

00:21:38.740 of critical race theory. I'm tired of this left-wing indoctrination, the driving the wedge between

00:21:45.440 parents and children. I'm tired of it. We are going to vote for a party that is not in bed with

00:21:50.760 the corrupt teachers union. And Glenn Youngkin, an underdog, won the gubernatorial race in Virginia.

00:21:58.120 People said that that would never happen. And it did. And now he is enacting good policies that are

00:22:02.520 going to protect parental rights and protect children. So praise God for that. And I am going

00:22:08.100 to explain to you the details of those things in just one second. All right. Let me tell you about

00:22:24.120 this awesome, awesome change by Governor Youngkin of Virginia. So this is according to NBC

00:22:32.420 and Fox 5. NBC obviously not happy about this. Fox 5 a little more neutral in their reporting. So

00:22:40.540 Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin on Friday updated model policies regarding the treatment of transgender

00:22:45.920 students. The Virginia Department of Education updated its 2021 model policies for the treatment

00:22:51.580 of the students, noting that the guidelines under the previous administration disregarded the rights

00:22:56.660 of parents. So under the Democrat administration and ignored other legal and constitutional principles

00:23:03.660 that significantly impact how schools educate students, including transgender students. So

00:23:08.440 that's a little troubling that that even existed. Not surprising based on how the school boards have

00:23:13.100 been acting in Virginia. But that came from a Democrat controlled Department of Education,

00:23:18.640 which is and has been for a long time seeking to undermine the rights of parents and to make sure that

00:23:24.760 the primary mentor and caretaker for students is the public education system. Virginia's Department

00:23:31.940 of Education under Youngkin has now listed first under the guiding principles section that, quote,

00:23:37.320 parents have the right to make decisions with respect to their children and that the policies shall be

00:23:43.120 drafted to safeguard parents' rights with respect to their child and to facilitate the exercise of those

00:23:49.360 rights. The policies go on to cite the 14th Amendment in the Constitution, which gives parents a

00:23:54.300 fundamental right to direct the upbringing and education of their children. The new model policies say

00:23:59.560 students participation in certain school programming and use of school facilities like bathrooms or

00:24:04.620 locker rooms should be based on their sex with modifications offered only to the extent required

00:24:10.980 under federal law. The policies also say that students who are minors must be referred to by the name

00:24:17.220 and pronouns in their official records unless a parent approves the use of something else. And so obviously I would

00:24:25.520 like for kids to never be referred to as anything other than what their sex is. But in this case, they are

00:24:33.220 saying, look, the parent has to know. And if you don't know, this is a huge problem across the board of not just

00:24:40.780 individual teachers, but even school systems saying that they are going to allow a child to go by a

00:24:47.380 different name, to go by a different gender, to go by different pronouns. And the school or the teacher

00:24:52.900 will ask the students, is it OK for me to call you by this name and pronouns in front of your parents? If

00:24:58.920 the child says, no, please don't, then these schools will keep it a secret from their parents. And you see

00:25:05.020 the idea that is within that kind of practice. And that is that parents are a threat, that parents are a real

00:25:14.760 danger to their kids and that these teachers and that this school, that they know better, that they love the

00:25:23.400 kids better, that they are better at seeking the interest of this child, which is always just unconditional

00:25:30.220 affirmation of who the child declares that they are. So the parent who has known that child from

00:25:36.700 birth, who was there when they either adopted that child or when the doctor laid that child on their

00:25:42.260 chest, who knows everything about that child from their favorite food, from their favorite memory, who

00:25:48.500 has woken up countless times in the middle of the night to comfort that scared child, who knows their

00:25:54.380 child's strengths and weaknesses, hopes and dreams, who loves that child more than life itself.

00:26:00.220 would die a thousand deaths for that child. Under previous policies, the Virginia Department

00:26:07.340 of Education said, no, that parent doesn't have authority. The public school system does. The

00:26:12.860 state does. And that is true in many, many states across the country. And that is wrong. That is morally

00:26:20.880 wrong. Obviously, as Christians, we know that's theologically wrong. And yes, of course, there are cases in 0.99

00:26:27.200 which the state and public schools need to step in when there is legitimate abuse, when there is

00:26:33.300 legitimate fear of abuse and mistreatment by the parents. But these schools are already, these teachers

00:26:40.960 are already mandatory reporters. In most states, by law, they are required to say if they believe that

00:26:47.980 that child is actually being abused or neglected or mistreated at home. That is something that they are

00:26:55.040 legally bound to do. So in all of these cases, when you hear that the teachers are keeping secret the

00:27:01.780 pronouns of these kids from their parents, it's not actually because they think these parents are

00:27:06.560 abusive. They would have already reported them. It's because they want to drive a wedge between

00:27:11.500 parent and child. Of course, that's demonic. That is satanic. That's what the dark powers that be

00:27:20.520 have been trying to do since the beginning of time. If you look at the history of communism,

00:27:25.660 for example, in the 20th century, or even fascism, any kind of totalitarianism. One of the first orders 0.92

00:27:33.080 of business that the state does is try to recruit child soldiers and take them away from the care

00:27:39.220 and from the mentorship of their parents. I mean, George Orwell even writes about this in 1984,

00:27:46.500 how Big Brother would turn children from their parents and the children will become spies against

00:27:53.340 their parents and turn them in to the secret police if their parents committed any thought crime or

00:27:58.200 any infraction. And so this is out of the left-wing playbook. This is out of the totalitarian playbook

00:28:06.840 and always has and always has been. We have talked about the consequences of this,

00:28:14.520 how children who are separated from their parents and then are pushed into transition by school

00:28:20.120 counselors, by school administrators, they often become, if not just completely depressed,

00:28:25.860 suicidal. They're taken out of their home. They're putting in different kind of shelters. They often

00:28:30.700 end up homeless. They're not better off without their parents, without the people who care for them.

00:28:35.520 It's actually the exact opposite of what these trans activists say, that, oh, if parents don't

00:28:40.860 affirm their child and allow them to go on hormones and puberty blockers and get double mastectomies and 0.95

00:28:48.100 these kids are going to commit suicide. No, it's actually part of it is actually the breakdown of

00:28:56.280 relationships and the lack of true love that often happens when this ideology breaks parents apart and

00:29:05.480 separates children from their parents that causes them so much mental distress and isolation.

00:29:12.520 So I'm so glad that Governor Youngkin and his Department of Education is doing this. This really

00:29:18.280 will save lives. It'll save families. It'll save a lot of anxiety in parents, but it really will

00:29:26.320 save the lives of young people as well. Schools may not encourage teachers to conceal information about a

00:29:33.360 student's gender from his or her parents. Parents must be given an opportunity to object before counseling

00:29:38.920 services pertaining to gender are offered. Praise God. The 2022 policies are designed to provide clear, 1.00

00:29:45.560 accurate and useful guidance to Virginia school boards that align with statutory provisions and took into

00:29:51.660 account 9000 public comments, according to the Virginia Department of Education. Oh, isn't this what's it

00:29:57.820 called? Democracy? Hmm. I thought that leftist said that they like that. Every local school board is

00:30:04.220 required to adopt policies that are consistent with these new 2022 model policies. The guidance is

00:30:11.180 subject to 30 day public comment period that opens later this month. You know, praise God. It really

00:30:17.380 matters who you vote for. I mean, this is a result of two things that we say so much. It's a result of

00:30:22.820 parents raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, trying to get him elected that is

00:30:27.740 translating into real policy change that is really going to positively impact people. And it's also

00:30:33.740 people recognizing that politics matter because policy matters because people matter. Politics

00:30:38.120 affects policy. Policy affects people. And while the Republican Party is so far from perfect that I just

00:30:43.320 wish there were more more Republicans who would actually just do something, who would stand up and push

00:30:49.400 back and not be so cowardly and not give in on every social and cultural issue because they think it's

00:30:55.860 too divisive and they're afraid of the LGBTQ lobbyists that are going to go against them. While I wish that 0.99

00:31:02.240 the GOP was more conservative and more courageous and more clear, there are some good ones out there. And I

00:31:09.640 really have a hard time understanding why anyone at this point knowing the ideology of each platform would

00:31:16.360 vote Democrat. Now, I understand if you completely agree with the ideology. If you're like, yeah, parents

00:31:21.580 should be secondary in authority to the state and to teachers. Yeah, we should be transing our kids.

00:31:28.040 Like if that's your idea, then yeah, I guess I understand. If you're like, yeah, you know, I think that

00:31:33.680 mass homelessness and increased crime in murder, like what's happening in Illinois with their new

00:31:40.520 bill or new law, which is actually going to turn the state into basically the purge, what's happening

00:31:46.660 in California, what's happening in Austin, what's happening in Denver, what's happening in Oregon and

00:31:51.820 Washington with homelessness and crime, just absolutely rampant. I guess if you think that

00:31:55.960 that's good, if you think that record inflation is good, if you think calling all of your political

00:32:02.320 opponents fascist and threat to the threat to the Republic is good, if you think unfettered abortion paid for 0.97

00:32:09.580 by the taxpayer is good, like if you think all of those things are good, I understand why you would

00:32:14.140 vote Democrat more power to you. But if you don't, I can't say that I comprehend your vote. I can't say

00:32:20.960 that I comprehend at this point with as much as we know now how you could vote Democrat. Are you still

00:32:26.280 really under the impression that this is about democracy or something like that? Come on, it's time

00:32:33.840 for us to wake up. It's time for us to wake up and we will, we will welcome you with open arms. All

00:32:40.380 right. Now I've got an amazing conversation for you. A quick conversation with our friend,

00:32:46.820 Jennifer Law. You know, Jennifer, because she's been on twice and you love every time I interview her 0.99

00:32:51.720 founder and president of the Center for Bioethics and Culture Network. She is a former pediatric critical

00:32:56.820 care nurse and hospital administrator. We have talked to her in the past about the ethics of things 1.00

00:33:02.320 like IVF and like surrogacy. She has done a lot of work in this area. Go back, listen to those

00:33:08.420 previous interviews if you haven't already. And she has just produced an amazing documentary called

00:33:14.700 Detransition Diaries, Saving Our Sisters. It's so compelling. And I just want to hear you or I just

00:33:22.100 want you to hear her talk about it. And then I want you to go immediately and download it and watch it

00:33:28.380 with all of your friends and family. Okay. Before we start talking to Jennifer, let me play you

00:33:44.860 a short trailer of her documentary. From when I was very young, around five years old, I felt like I was

00:33:53.960 limited in what I could do in life as a girl or as a woman. By the time I was about 13, I was starting

00:34:01.920 to feel really depressed. I started self-harming. I started developing an eating disorder. I was

00:34:08.380 introduced to a belief system. If you don't fit in, that's a sign that you're trans. If you don't like

00:34:14.840 your body, then that's a sign that you're trans. And if you transition, all of these problems will be 1.00

00:34:20.200 fixed. When I was 22, I started injecting testosterone into my body so that I could

00:34:28.740 medically transition from female to male. Pretty much as soon as I turned 18, I made

00:34:33.960 an appointment. I went to Planned Parenthood. One appointment took about an hour. I called

00:34:39.680 Planned Parenthood. We had about a 30-minute phone conversation. And then I was prescribed

00:34:44.500 testosterone over the phone. I was saying stuff like, oh, I think that I'm going to be so much

00:34:49.300 happier after I transition. Like, I'm really depressed now and I'm suicidal, but everything's

00:34:54.920 going to be so much better after I transition. I wanted people to know that there is life after

00:34:59.020 detransition, even if you've made serious physical changes. Woman, women, mother, mom, girls,

00:35:07.840 girls, daughter. To those people, the peddlers of transgender ideology, these are not your words to give 1.00

00:35:15.340 away. Jennifer, welcome back. Thank you so much for joining us this time. Yeah, this time we're

00:35:23.380 talking about the Detransition Diaries. You had your big launch last night. Tell us about it. What

00:35:29.660 is this documentary about? Yeah, well, we did. We went live yesterday. So we actually rented a movie

00:35:36.180 theater, which is great because the theaters were closed for so long with COVID. So it was nice to see

00:35:41.320 a film on the big screen and a big live audience. And we didn't have any protesters, which was,

00:35:47.420 gosh, really an answer to prayer because we were expecting to have all kinds of people screaming on

00:35:51.100 the street. But it was a good energy, a well-engaged audience. I was surprised by how many people said

00:35:58.340 they actually teared up and how emotional the film was, which I agree it is. But the Detransition 1.00

00:36:05.420 Diaries is a look at three women who thought that they were born in the wrong body and were told that

00:36:15.080 and felt that if they changed their sex and became men, that that would solve all their problems and

00:36:20.900 make all their gender dysphoria and their depression and their body image problems go away. Of course, 0.82

00:36:26.300 they only found out that it didn't help. And in fact, it actually made things quite worse in some of

00:36:32.660 their cases. So it's a beautiful story of, you know, three firsthand account, you know, women

00:36:38.880 telling their story. And I, all through the whole editing and scripting process, people kept asking

00:36:45.880 me, do you have a favorite in the film? And I actually just fell in love with all three of these

00:36:50.940 women. They're, they're dynamic. They're, they're bold and courageous. They're sweet and kind or

00:36:57.660 articulate. They don't come across as mean or angry or bitter. They come across as very trustworthy.

00:37:04.240 And I've just felt honored to be able to hold their stories and let the world sort of hear their

00:37:10.960 stories. And then the film also was released yesterday on demand on our Vimeo channel. So

00:37:16.140 people who miss the live theater audience can go to our Vimeo channel and watch the film.

00:37:21.700 Good. And we'll definitely link that in the description, both on YouTube and on the listening

00:37:26.160 side of things so people can easily click it. And obviously we want people to go watch this

00:37:30.740 for themselves. So I don't want to give too much away. But when you were talking to these women,

00:37:36.900 what was one common thread that you saw maybe early on in their lives that seemed to be an indication

00:37:46.360 that things weren't going the way that they should, at least as far as their mental health goes? Was it

00:37:54.860 their upbringing? Was it a traumatic event? Was it involvement in social media forums? What did you

00:38:00.880 find there? Yeah. I mean, again, just to remind your audience who don't know me, I did work in

00:38:06.880 clinical nursing for many, many years. So what was sort of scandalous and appalling to me was the fact

00:38:13.400 that these women did all have various troubling backgrounds that should have been red flags before

00:38:20.640 doctors and therapists started putting them on what I call the super highway to transgender medicine or 0.98

00:38:26.340 affirmation care. So yeah, one woman experienced a significant loss as a young girl, a death of

00:38:33.680 somebody close to her. And the family that she grew up in was kind of a family that didn't talk about

00:38:38.980 things that sort of swept things under the rug. You know, they all had those awkward moments as young

00:38:45.400 girls where they felt uncomfortable in their body. They didn't like their body. They thought they were 1.00

00:38:49.600 fat and they were ugly. They didn't fit in. They wished that they could be boys because boys seem to 0.99

00:38:54.740 have such an easier road, if you will. So, so many, you know, eating disorders was a common

00:39:01.900 theme with a couple of the girls. And, you know, they weren't. But, but, but I want to put that in the

00:39:11.280 sense of this. These are oftentimes very normal things that young, young people go through. So it wasn't

00:39:16.940 like they needed to be institutionalized. They needed counseling. They need therapy. But they

00:39:23.200 didn't need hormones and surgeries. Right. And that's, that's the thing is that, and, you know,

00:39:28.760 you've talked about this a lot. Abigail Schreier has talked about this a lot, that young girls,

00:39:35.080 I mean, adolescents in general, but especially young girls, you do go through a period when you

00:39:40.080 are going through puberty or just during those teenage years where it's really hard sometimes to be in your

00:39:45.760 own body. It's really hard to be a girl. I talked to a detransitioner a few weeks ago. Her name was,

00:39:53.400 her name is Sophie. And she was talking about, we talked about how one aspect of her wanting to

00:40:00.160 quote unquote become a boy or a man was to try to get rid of the vulnerability that she saw as inherent

00:40:08.680 in womanhood, that she just was very uncomfortable with as her body changed. And as she grew up with

00:40:16.200 being sexualized, with being objectified, with being looked at or gawked at or, um, or whistled at or

00:40:23.620 whatever it is. And she felt that, well, if I become more masculine first, you know, just dressing in a

00:40:31.320 masculine way, but then actually trying to identify as a man, getting top surgery, going on hormones,

00:40:37.880 then I won't be prey anymore. Then I won't be vulnerable. And while I have never struggled with

00:40:44.960 any kind of gender confusion, I understand that mentality. I understand that fear. I understand 0.69

00:40:51.960 the vulnerable that is in the vulnerability that is innate in femininity. And that is innate in 0.71

00:40:58.280 womanhood, um, that really, you know, men can't fully comprehend, but instead of showing compassion

00:41:05.900 to these young women and saying, Hey, this is normal. And here's how we kind of deal with these 0.62

00:41:09.920 feelings. They're being pushed. And as you have mentioned before, into being slaves to the medical

00:41:16.140 industrial complex, that's just pushing them on this, as you said, this highway to transition.

00:41:23.500 Yeah. And one of the young women in the film actually did have that kind of experience as a 0.99

00:41:27.940 little girl. She had a little neighborhood boy playmate, um, who was way too wise or unwise

00:41:36.160 for his young years. And, you know, would actually say, you know, we should kiss and we should take

00:41:41.240 our clothes off and do things like that, which made her feel very uncomfortable as a, you know,

00:41:45.760 a younger than 10 year old little girl, as you can imagine. And children don't really know how to

00:41:50.740 handle those kinds of things other than they feel, um, at risk. They feel, they feel afraid.

00:41:56.180 So I remember as a young nurse, you know, it was a back in the day before we had all this, um,

00:42:01.660 sexual harassment stuff in the workplace. And, you know, I, I had doctors that would be very

00:42:07.080 inappropriate with, with me. I oftentimes, when I would get off work at the hospital at midnight at

00:42:11.320 night, I had to walk out to a dark parking lot to get to my car would feel like, you know, really

00:42:15.920 afraid. I don't think men sort of have that kind of, you know, category that they don't walk out at

00:42:20.240 night to their car in the dark and feel like, Oh my gosh, am I going to get attacked?

00:42:23.580 Yeah. Right. And so I think that we're just kind of categorizing all of these very normal feelings,

00:42:30.500 or maybe sometimes they're abnormal some, because some of these girls, they don't just have the 1.00

00:42:35.440 normal discomfort that comes with adolescence and growing up, but they also have serious trauma in

00:42:40.580 their past, or they have serious depression, serious anxiety. Sometimes they're on the autism

00:42:46.420 spectrum. And even that, all of that is kind of being, in some cases, shoved to the side and just

00:42:53.180 kind of placed under this umbrella, well, you're probably just transgender. And then what's being 0.82

00:42:58.860 found is that transitioning is not actually helping the mental health of these young girls. Is that

00:43:05.840 what the women that you interviewed found as well? Yeah, they, they kept thinking that, you know,

00:43:13.140 there, there was flags along the way in their steps in their transition, you know, when they went

00:43:17.920 onto testosterone and this, all the negative effects of testosterone, when one of the women in the film 0.58

00:43:22.680 actually moved forward with the double mastectomy and had her breasts removed, but they, they tell

00:43:28.200 themselves that because they have this dysphoria, this is part of what I need to do to get rid of 1.00

00:43:33.860 this dysphoria. So when they have negative symptoms of testosterone, they go, but, but that bright future 1.00

00:43:40.980 is just around the corner. If I have to stay on this path and maybe I feel regret right now,

00:43:45.840 but you know, tomorrow will be better. You know, we've all been in situations in our life where

00:43:50.040 things are really going bad and we just kind of go, tomorrow will be better. Tomorrow will be better.

00:43:54.880 And it was only until, you know, in, in cats, cat is one of the women in the film, who's a beautiful 0.96

00:44:01.020 singer. She actually produced and performs an original song in the film, you know, when the

00:44:06.280 testosterone just totally destroyed her singing voice that, that jarred her enough to take, you know, 1.00

00:44:12.360 to take the steps back and stop taking the testosterone. And she canceled her double

00:44:16.740 mastectomy surgery. It was when Grace went on a website and heard of another transition person

00:44:22.980 who kept talking about no matter what they did with their body in, in surgeries and corrections

00:44:28.500 and therapies and drugs, they, they found something else to be unhappy with. And she realized at that

00:44:34.500 point, there will be no bottom to this. I will, even if I have now the phalloplasty surgery,

00:44:39.840 then I will have something else that she saw. It talks about how I still have wide hips like a

00:44:45.000 woman and I can't get rid of my hips. So she realized then that there was really no bottom 1.00

00:44:49.680 to this pursuing this path and to stop, you know, immediately. She's not sure whether she's going to

00:44:55.680 have reconstructive surgery at this point. She's not sure if she's damaged her fertility. She talks

00:45:00.920 about on the film about how when she transitioned, she wasn't thinking she even wanted children.

00:45:05.760 But now that she's happily married to a man, she's really wants children. And she doesn't know if

00:45:11.640 she'll be able to have children now that she's taken so much testosterone in her body. 1.00

00:45:15.720 And that's one aspect of this that just breaks my heart is that of course, when you're 16, 17,

00:45:32.380 even 20 years old, you just don't really have the capacity to understand what you will want

00:45:40.040 on the other side of this, what you will want one day. Of course, you don't want children right now.

00:45:45.200 You're young, you're living your life, you're doing what you want to do. So it's hard for you

00:45:49.400 to imagine the desires that come with growing up. And one of those desires is motherhood.

00:45:55.420 And you have completely, these doctors have completely ruined their chances, these girls' 0.90

00:46:01.900 chances of becoming moms biologically very often. And even if they don't, even if they gain their

00:46:07.900 fertility, these women, these young women, young girls who are having double mastectomies,

00:46:12.420 they'll never be able to breastfeed. They'll never even have that option. That's something 1.00

00:46:17.480 that has been taken away from them forever. And it just seems like so much of the compassion in

00:46:24.140 the mainstream, even part of like what I would consider the quote unquote, I don't know, social

00:46:28.700 justice church. The compassion and empathy, we're told only has to be directed towards those who say

00:46:36.420 that they're the opposite gender from what they are. But I really don't see those people very often 0.66

00:46:41.760 highlighting these detransition stories and looking like we're causing irreversible damage. And very 0.63

00:46:48.200 few people are willing to stand up and say stop.

00:46:51.420 Yeah. And we had a discussion last night after the showing of the film and Kat in the film was on

00:46:57.060 hand. So she was live in the audience. And we also had a mother who's very involved in the state of

00:47:02.820 California opposing our gender affirmation laws that are on Governor Newsom's desk right now for

00:47:08.520 him to sign. And, you know, it was very clear that, you know, these, these kids are also spending so

00:47:15.720 much time on social media. And when this one mom was talking about her own daughter, who became what 0.99

00:47:21.500 is called a desister, meaning her daughter lived, dressed, acted like a man, but never took any drugs or

00:47:29.700 any surgery, but she desisted in that she became comfortable being a girl in her girl body.

00:47:35.160 You know, that mother said, she took her daughter's phone away. She, she went to every school board 0.95

00:47:41.520 meeting. She read every single book that her child was going to be asked to read before her child even

00:47:46.700 started school that year. She looked at the curriculum. She talked about being the only parent

00:47:51.720 at a school board meeting this last year, where this, you know, they were going to be teaching

00:47:56.140 gender. This is after her child desisted or before, before, during and after she is, she's now happily

00:48:04.020 living with her desisted daughter, but still very active in fighting the good fight in the state.

00:48:10.180 And she runs the, she's the local woman that runs our duty dot group, which is an international

00:48:17.260 project. But she gave some real practical things because that's what people need, especially parents. 1.00

00:48:22.780 You know, when you all of a sudden have a child that you've known and loved their whole life,

00:48:26.560 and all of a sudden they come home and say they're born in the wrong body and they want you to call

00:48:29.560 them this, you know, parents need the tools because right now they're not going to be able to be

00:48:34.320 getting trustworthy tools from their physician necessarily from their child's teacher necessarily

00:48:40.080 from therapists, um, the internet. But, but when you look at the growing number of

00:48:46.180 detransitioners in the Reddit community, uh, it's exploding. And I think, you know, the,

00:48:52.540 the trans activists like to say that these detransitioners are my minority, a minor voice

00:48:58.920 in this debate, which they are not. And I think we are going to see way more people becoming more

00:49:03.540 emboldened to tell their story. Once movies like the detransition diaries and others come out and

00:49:09.460 people start hearing, Whoa, what are we doing? What have we done?

00:49:13.240 Yeah. So this is a good movie, obviously to watch if you're on our side of things and you already

00:49:19.320 know how dangerous and, and deadly this whole industry and movement is just to hear from people's

00:49:26.840 personal stories, just to be equipped, uh, with those stories and with those testimonies. But it

00:49:32.000 would also be great for you to watch for people to watch with those who are on the fence, or maybe

00:49:37.700 they're not even on the fence, but they just kind of deny that this is something that exists or who

00:49:42.540 think, as I kind of described a second ago, who think all of the empathy should just be in the

00:49:48.580 direction of affirming someone's stated identity rather than seeing the physical damage that is

00:49:56.760 being done on these young people's bodies. So this is going to convince and persuade, but it's also

00:50:03.680 going to embolden those of us and empower those of us who already are in this fight. Just remind us,

00:50:10.960 to double down on our efforts. And so I'm just so thankful for you for giving a platform

00:50:17.180 to these women. I hope that you make many more detransition diaries. Fortunately and unfortunately, 1.00

00:50:23.960 there will be many more of these stories and someone's got to give them a pedestal. And so

00:50:28.980 I'm thankful that you're doing that. So people can go to the Vimeo link, correct? Is there anywhere

00:50:33.980 else you'd like them to go? Well, I think the Vimeo channel first, because I really want people

00:50:40.040 to see the movie. If you just go to Vimeo and you just search for the detransition diaries,

00:50:44.140 the film will pop up. But we do have a YouTube channel that's full of all kinds of other free

00:50:49.560 content. And all of our other movies are there. The Vimeo is a pay-per-view. So we're asking people

00:50:55.600 to be willing to chip in. I'm telling people it's basically about the cost of a Starbucks pumpkin

00:51:00.780 latte to watch it. Just because we have some budget bills to pay. But once we've covered our

00:51:07.860 budget, we'll move it on to YouTube for free viewing, too. And we've already had people in

00:51:11.980 Italy that have asked to translate the film into Italian. And that's in 24 hours.

00:51:17.160 That is awesome. Well, I just pray that this continues to take off. Thank you so much,

00:51:21.740 Jennifer, for taking the time to come on and for all that you do.

00:51:25.740 Thank you.

00:51:26.640 Thank you.

00:51:27.240 Have a great day.

00:51:30.780 OK, guys, hope you enjoyed that full episode. Remember to check out our stickers. We got lots

00:51:40.140 of stickers on our merch site. We've got lots of new stuff coming. I know I said I talk about

00:51:44.400 Chrissy Teigen today and I, again, didn't have time. If I have time, I will talk about that

00:51:49.340 tomorrow. OK, thanks so much for listening. We will see you guys back here tomorrow.

00:51:55.460 Bye bye.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 20, 2022

Ep 681 ｜ Sexual Fetish or Transgender？ & Big Win for Virginia Parents ｜ Guest： Jennifer Lahl

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