Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 20, 2022


Ep 681 | Sexual Fetish or Transgender? & Big Win for Virginia Parents | Guest: Jennifer Lahl


Episode Stats

Length

51 minutes

Words per Minute

163.34871

Word Count

8,487

Sentence Count

500

Misogynist Sentences

21

Hate Speech Sentences

35


Summary

Transgender activists are at it again. This time a teacher outside of Toronto is wearing something inappropriate to make a point about his so-called gender identity, and we also discuss some good news coming out of Virginia regarding parents' rights. And Jennifer Law talks about her new documentary, The De-Transition Diaries.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 While you probably don't want to watch or listen to this episode with your kids, unfortunately,
00:00:06.920 the transgender activists are at it again. This time, there is a teacher outside of Toronto
00:00:12.060 who is wearing something really inappropriate, I guess, to try to make a point about his so-called
00:00:18.900 gender identity. We're going to talk about that, and we're also going to discuss some good news
00:00:24.460 coming out of the state of Virginia, not just when it comes to gender ideology,
00:00:28.700 but also when it comes to parents' rights. Then we will talk to my friend Jennifer Law about her new
00:00:35.360 documentary, The De-Transition Diaries. This episode is brought to you by our friends
00:00:40.600 at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com slash Allie. That's goodranchers.com slash Allie.
00:00:45.400 All right. Before we get into all of the crazy gender madness, I want to talk about
00:01:00.680 two things. First and foremost, you see my sticker, my new sticker on the back of my laptop. It says
00:01:09.920 Question Everything. And it has a T-Rex with an American flag landing on the moon. And if you have
00:01:16.440 no idea what I'm talking about, or if you have no idea why we created this sticker, then you need to
00:01:22.880 go back and listen to episode 670. 670. You need to go listen to episode 670 because we talked about
00:01:31.820 this and it made some people very, very mad. And so we decided to make a sticker out of it.
00:01:37.580 So you can get it. We'll link it in the description of this episode. And you can buy it for yourself.
00:01:44.600 It's just five bucks and it's really fun. And finally, I have this empty space on my laptop
00:01:50.160 filled. It's been really bothering me for a long time. And we got a couple other items coming down
00:01:55.760 the pipeline too. Also, I saw this clip this morning. It's from the CNN Don Lemon show, which has
00:02:04.160 actually been canceled. He's moving to the morning now, I think with a couple co-hosts. But he
00:02:10.080 interviewed this woman named Hillary Ford, which she is a royal commentator, a business development
00:02:16.580 leader. I don't really know what that means. But Don Lemon thought that he was raising, I guess,
00:02:24.000 a compelling question about slavery and colonialism, reparations being paid by the royal family to
00:02:32.660 the descendants of those who suffered from these things. And her response is just
00:02:40.000 incredible. Here it is.
00:02:42.900 And then you have those who are asking for reparations for colonialism. And they're wondering,
00:02:48.640 you know, $100 billion, $24 billion here and there, $500 million there. Some people want to be paid back
00:02:55.500 and members of the public are wondering, why are we suffering when you are, you know, you have all of
00:03:00.560 this vast wealth? Those are legitimate concerns. Well, I think you're right about reparations in
00:03:05.900 terms of if people want it, though, what they need to do is you always need to go back to the
00:03:09.840 beginning of a supply chain. Where was the beginning of the supply chain? That was in Africa. And when
00:03:15.200 across the entire world, when slavery was taking place, which was the first nation in the world that
00:03:20.500 abolished slavery? The first nation in the world to abolish it. It was started by William Wilberforce,
00:03:25.640 was the British. In Great Britain, they abolished slavery. 2,000 naval men died on the high seas
00:03:33.420 trying to stop slavery. Why? Because the African kings were rounding up their own people. They had
00:03:39.340 them on cages waiting in the beaches. No one was running into Africa to get them. And I think you're
00:03:43.960 totally right. If reparations need to be paid, we need to go right back to the beginning of that
00:03:48.420 supply chain and say, who was rounding up their own people and having them handcuffing cages?
00:03:53.060 Absolutely. That's where they should start. And maybe, I don't know, the descendants of those
00:03:57.620 families where they died in the high seas trying to stop the slavery, that those families should
00:04:02.740 receive something too, I think, at the same time. It's an interesting discussion, Hillary. Thank you
00:04:08.880 very much. I appreciate it. We'll continue to discuss in the future. I don't think that Don Lemon was
00:04:16.780 expecting that kind of answer. I mean, she was just so confident. And I don't think that his brain saw
00:04:24.260 exactly where she was going. But I thought that that was a brilliant answer. And I'm so glad that
00:04:30.340 she brought up William Wilberforce, who is an amazing ambassador for the gospel and incredible and bold
00:04:37.820 Christian. He said this. He said,
00:04:40.720 And that's what he set out to do throughout his life. There were other countries who abolished slavery
00:04:55.840 around the time that Britain did. But really, William Wilberforce was on the front lines of this. He was
00:05:02.520 at the helm. He was the one that was pushing the abolition of slavery. And his motivation for it
00:05:08.820 wasn't primarily political. It was spiritual. It was a gospel motivation because he believed he knew
00:05:16.260 that all people are made in the image of God. He rejected the ideology that secular progressivists
00:05:22.120 hold today, which is that we are just clumps of cells. We're just accidental balls of matter.
00:05:27.980 We're basically just bodies. We are self-creating, self-declaring, self-identifying. No,
00:05:35.620 he believed. He knew that we were made by God and made in his image and given innate worth. And
00:05:43.380 therefore, the objectification that is inherent in chattel slavery is wrong. And so he set out to
00:05:51.600 persuade his fellow countrymen to abolish slavery. And it was an uphill battle. He was in the minority
00:05:58.200 for most of history. This is something that Thomas Sowell writes about. For most of history,
00:06:02.460 slavery was not a moral question. It just was. It was just something that was a part of life.
00:06:10.380 Now, slavery looked different, different times in different cultures. Very often, slavery in the
00:06:15.300 ancient world was a way to get out of debt. You were kind of considered a bond servant. And then,
00:06:23.260 of course, that is different from the kind of slavery that was practiced in places like Britain or the
00:06:28.420 United States, which was really just chattel slavery. It wasn't to pay off any debts. And yet,
00:06:36.100 slavery really wasn't a spiritual question. It really wasn't a moral question that a whole lot
00:06:42.260 of people were asking for most of history. And Christianity changed that. The morality of
00:06:48.120 Christianity slowly and over time revolutionized, at least in the Western world, what people thought
00:06:55.160 about human beings, what people thought about the vulnerable, and what people thought about right
00:06:59.940 and wrong. When Christianity came on the scene in pagan Greece and Rome, there was no thought to the
00:07:08.000 inherent worth of human beings, the protected class of women and children. It was only the adult free
00:07:16.800 male who was seen as having any value because he was the only one who could really produce anything for
00:07:24.280 society. Slaves, the elderly, women, children were all subjugated in these ancient societies. And
00:07:33.460 Christianity came along, and through its theology, that all people are made in the image of God,
00:07:40.120 through its gospel that says we are all equally dead in sin apart from Christ and equally alive in
00:07:46.940 Christ by grace through faith in him, revolutionized how people thought about the world, how people thought
00:07:54.180 about themselves, and how people thought about their fellow human beings. And governments conformed to
00:08:02.220 that Christian idea of not just inherent worth, but inherent human rights. The idea of human rights,
00:08:11.600 because we are human, because we are different than animals, because we are distinct from plants,
00:08:17.100 because we are inherently valuable, is based on Christian theology. Like you'll notice why most of
00:08:25.940 the charities, most of the hospitals, even most of the universities, and most institutions that have
00:08:32.100 fought for true human rights were founded by Christians, had at one point a Christian mission.
00:08:40.900 And it's obvious what happens when you get away from that worldview. It's obvious what happens when
00:08:48.920 you get away from that founding mission. The idea of humanity, what we are, what we are worth
00:08:55.900 deteriorates. It's also worth noting that there are many, many countries in the world today that do not
00:09:02.540 have that view of human beings who still practice slavery, and who still subjugate human beings,
00:09:10.620 either based on their gender, based on their class. Like in Africa today, there is still a slave trait.
00:09:19.580 And so those who say that only America or only Britain has to pay reparations, it's not logical,
00:09:27.120 because as this guest pointed out, it doesn't go all the way to the supply chain. And it ignores the
00:09:33.580 reality that slavery is still practiced in many ways, and in many countries legally, to this day.
00:09:41.840 But that's what the brain does on CRT. CRT in its crudest form is black oppressed, white oppressor.
00:09:49.140 And if that is the lens through which you see the world, then it is impossible to say
00:09:54.480 that Africans could be on the hook for part of the slave trade. Or that there are people who are not
00:10:02.080 white, who were at the very least complicit in the oppression of other black human beings. And yet,
00:10:09.820 the history of the world is messy. It is not broken down in that black-white dichotomy. The history of
00:10:16.800 the world is a history of being enslaved, and being enslavers, of being oppressed, of being oppressors,
00:10:24.860 of being colonizers, of being colonized, of being the conquered, and of the one doing the conquering.
00:10:34.300 That is the history of the world. That is the history of every people group, of every skin color, of every
00:10:39.560 ethnicity, of every nationality. As she pointed out, if we want to start calculating who's getting reparations,
00:10:46.520 everyone is going to be owed something. But guess what? Guess what? The gospel frees us from that
00:10:53.780 complicated, illogical mess of trying to figure out who owes us what, based on the sins of people who
00:11:03.100 may have looked like us at some point in history in the same geographical region that we currently live
00:11:10.500 in. It's illogical. It's based on a collectivist mentality that really has no grounding in reality
00:11:16.740 and certainly has no grounding in Christian theology. So that was longer. That was more of a response than
00:11:24.480 I anticipated giving. But this Hillary Ford, which lady gave such a good point, I hope that gives
00:11:30.720 something to Don Lamond to chew on for a little bit. All right. Speaking of being made in the image of God
00:11:38.500 and being detached from that reality, from that truth, leading to us seeing the world and seeing ourselves
00:11:47.240 and seeing our fellow human beings in a way that is wrong, that is unhealthy. Let us talk about the gender
00:11:53.880 madness that continues to play out in absolutely ludicrous and very harmful ways in our society.
00:12:00.840 All right. I want to talk about this crazy story that I saw circulating on Twitter over the weekend.
00:12:16.460 It's a teacher in the Toronto area who is wearing, and this is, let me just say, like, this is probably
00:12:23.580 not good to listen to or to watch with your kids around because, unfortunately, this is a very creepy
00:12:30.780 and perverse and just a strange story that you probably just don't want them hearing about or
00:12:36.840 seeing. But it is a teacher, a man, all right, a man wearing these massive fake boobs, all right?
00:12:45.320 And we're not just talking about any massive fake boobs. Like, we are talking about massive fake boobs
00:12:51.920 that, how do I say this politely, did not have a bra on. And so we're going to play, there's no sound
00:12:58.980 in this clip, but we're going to play a little clip. And just so you can see that I'm not making
00:13:04.260 this up. It's a very brief clip just for the purpose of evidence. Here it is. Yep. Okay. So you see
00:13:11.140 that, and I don't know, he's teaching shop class. He's got, like, a saw trying to cut a piece of
00:13:19.680 wood. All right. He's wearing a skirt. He's got a terrible wig on, not convincing at all. And he
00:13:25.480 is somehow, I mean, he looks absolutely ridiculous. This is why it is so hard to tell the difference
00:13:33.060 between satire and reality. And this is what I said on Twitter, and I absolutely believe that this is
00:13:38.220 true, that this is a form of sexual harassment. He is around a bunch of young teenage boys wearing
00:13:45.100 these prosthetic breasts, not because he actually thinks that he is a woman, but because he has a
00:13:51.180 fetish, because he is getting off on this, because he likes the idea of these little boys gawking at
00:13:58.560 his breasts. That's how perverse this is. And if you have listened to my interview with Genevieve
00:14:05.040 Glock, if you have not, I highly recommend doing so, and I'm about to have her back on the program.
00:14:10.400 She has, through her research and through her journalism, uncovered the roots of this ideology
00:14:16.560 and the kind of men in power who are pushing this kind of thing. And it comes from a place not of
00:14:25.540 empathy, not of affirmation, not of compassion and understanding, but a place for men from sexual
00:14:32.680 perversion. I'm not saying that all men who truly struggle with gender dysphoria have what is called
00:14:39.000 autogynephilia, and that is where you get turned on by, in their case, dressing up like a woman. I'm
00:14:46.420 not saying that for everyone who struggles with gender confusion as a man, that it is coming from a
00:14:50.900 place of sexual perversion. But the ideology, the activists, the bulk of this movement, what is pushing
00:14:58.440 this Ford? It absolutely does come from a place of fetishism. It comes from different forms of now
00:15:07.800 popularized pornography, where men are sissified for the purpose of sexual pleasure. There is also an
00:15:16.280 inextricable relationship with pedophilia going on here. It's not a coincidence that you keep hearing
00:15:22.740 these stories of men who like to dress up as sexualized women and dance in front of children
00:15:28.740 or walk around in front of young men. There's nothing innocent about that. There's no innocuous
00:15:35.740 reason for a man to want to dress up in drag clothes, in fake boobs, in titty tassels, and in thongs and get
00:15:44.960 dollar bills from young children. There's no good justification for that. And the same goes for
00:15:57.120 this instance. And in case you think that this is just some big joke that conservatives are blowing
00:16:01.760 out of proportion that we shouldn't really care about, the high school, which is Oakville Trafalgar
00:16:06.780 High School outside Toronto, has come out now saying, oh, well, you know, this is just something
00:16:15.180 that happens. We accept gender identity. We want to be accepting. Redux Magazine says this, that the
00:16:22.080 teacher is transgender, so-called, and pre-transitioning was known to students and faculty as male and went by
00:16:30.180 a male name. The man allegedly began identifying his woman last year. Imagine that. You live your life for
00:16:36.200 however long, 40 years, and all of a sudden you want to become a woman, and not just like an actual
00:16:41.740 woman, but someone with like boobs the size of Saturn. The kids here most definitely don't think
00:16:49.040 it's normal, but realistically we can't say anything. One student said on Twitter, last year the teacher
00:16:53.520 was a man. I don't think the school can fire him. Think about the discomfort and the confusion that you
00:17:00.540 are purposely putting on children here, not to mention the sexualization that is so obviously
00:17:09.300 intended in him wearing something like this. In October 2021, this high school released guidelines,
00:17:16.960 the Halton District School Board released guidelines regarding so-called gender identity and gender
00:17:22.800 expressions. It says school staff have to use preferred pronouns. They have to allow students to use the
00:17:29.420 change room that is most gender affirming. So you see how something that is a common thread in this
00:17:36.280 movement is that everyone else's safety and comfort always has to be sacrificed for the delusions of the
00:17:45.520 people who say that they're the opposite gender. Even ridiculous ones like this. Like this person's not
00:17:50.880 trying to be subtle. This person's not just saying, oh, you know, like this just makes me more comfortable
00:17:55.880 if I can wear some nail polish or some lipstick. No, he is trying to be as overt about this as possible.
00:18:04.880 This person just wants attention because he has a sexual predation fetish going on here.
00:18:12.400 And if we are not willing to call this what it is for the sake of children, for their minds and their eyes
00:18:18.660 in their hearts, then like, what is your line? Like if you were someone, especially if you call
00:18:24.140 yourself a Christian and you see this and you're like, oh, well, it's none of my business. I should
00:18:27.660 just affirm this. Let's just have empathy for this person. What is your line? Like what's your
00:18:33.040 boundary? At what point do you say, okay, yeah, I'm going to probably start speaking up about this
00:18:37.680 or yeah, I think that this is a problem. Like what is it now that you have seen, if you're paying
00:18:42.760 attention at all, grown men on a regular basis in different cities in this country,
00:18:49.240 dancing almost naked in front of young children for money. Now that you have seen that children's
00:18:56.020 hospitals are regularly cutting off the healthy breasts of minors, the healthy penises of minors,
00:19:02.600 leaving them with irreversible damage, all of this happening legally. Now that you know all of that,
00:19:09.200 are you willing to admit that maybe this is a problem? An unconditional affirmation and superficial,
00:19:14.540 unhealthy, dangerous forms of empathy maybe are not the answer? Like, are you willing to wake up to
00:19:21.760 this reality? Because look, children are being placed on the altar of this. It's not just some
00:19:27.480 conservative culture war that we're blowing out of proportion. I wish to God that that was the case.
00:19:32.660 I wish that this weren't happening. But unfortunately, it is. Unfortunately, our children
00:19:39.700 are a victim of it. And the high school said that this does not violate the dress codes.
00:19:47.600 And that they are simply trying to create a community that is committed to, they said,
00:19:55.960 establishing and maintaining a safe, caring, inclusive, equitable, and welcoming learning
00:20:00.000 and working environment for all students and staff. That was their response to this ridiculous man
00:20:05.760 wearing these fake breasts. What they actually mean is that everyone has to sacrifice having a welcoming
00:20:16.580 and healthy learning and working environment so this person isn't offended. That's what they're
00:20:23.620 actually saying. That's how much we care about children in this world, in today's society. That's
00:20:29.680 how much we care about their well-being. That we are prioritizing the fetishes of perverted grown men
00:20:38.060 over the safety and security and well-being of adolescents. That's where we are. It's really
00:20:45.200 disgusting and it's really disturbing. And I wish parents in this area, I know Canada, I mean,
00:20:50.300 there's a lot of you from Canada and I love you so much and you're so strong and you've stood so
00:20:55.500 strong over the past couple of years, especially. But I think even you would agree, in some cases,
00:21:00.840 Canada just seems too far gone. But I wish, I hope that there are some parents in this area who will
00:21:07.480 stand up and say no, because there is strength in numbers. Things can absolutely change. And you know
00:21:13.000 one piece of evidence that things can change for the better? Glenn Youngkin, the governor of Virginia.
00:21:20.300 He has made an amazing move when it comes to the transgender student policies in the state of
00:21:27.280 Virginia. And his election was the result of a number of parents standing up and saying,
00:21:34.000 enough. I'm tired of this going on in our public school system. I'm tired of pornography. I'm tired
00:21:38.740 of critical race theory. I'm tired of this left-wing indoctrination, the driving the wedge between
00:21:45.440 parents and children. I'm tired of it. We are going to vote for a party that is not in bed with
00:21:50.760 the corrupt teachers union. And Glenn Youngkin, an underdog, won the gubernatorial race in Virginia.
00:21:58.120 People said that that would never happen. And it did. And now he is enacting good policies that are
00:22:02.520 going to protect parental rights and protect children. So praise God for that. And I am going
00:22:08.100 to explain to you the details of those things in just one second. All right. Let me tell you about
00:22:24.120 this awesome, awesome change by Governor Youngkin of Virginia. So this is according to NBC
00:22:32.420 and Fox 5. NBC obviously not happy about this. Fox 5 a little more neutral in their reporting. So
00:22:40.540 Virginia Governor Glenn Youngkin on Friday updated model policies regarding the treatment of transgender
00:22:45.920 students. The Virginia Department of Education updated its 2021 model policies for the treatment
00:22:51.580 of the students, noting that the guidelines under the previous administration disregarded the rights
00:22:56.660 of parents. So under the Democrat administration and ignored other legal and constitutional principles
00:23:03.660 that significantly impact how schools educate students, including transgender students. So
00:23:08.440 that's a little troubling that that even existed. Not surprising based on how the school boards have
00:23:13.100 been acting in Virginia. But that came from a Democrat controlled Department of Education,
00:23:18.640 which is and has been for a long time seeking to undermine the rights of parents and to make sure that
00:23:24.760 the primary mentor and caretaker for students is the public education system. Virginia's Department
00:23:31.940 of Education under Youngkin has now listed first under the guiding principles section that, quote,
00:23:37.320 parents have the right to make decisions with respect to their children and that the policies shall be
00:23:43.120 drafted to safeguard parents' rights with respect to their child and to facilitate the exercise of those
00:23:49.360 rights. The policies go on to cite the 14th Amendment in the Constitution, which gives parents a
00:23:54.300 fundamental right to direct the upbringing and education of their children. The new model policies say
00:23:59.560 students participation in certain school programming and use of school facilities like bathrooms or
00:24:04.620 locker rooms should be based on their sex with modifications offered only to the extent required
00:24:10.980 under federal law. The policies also say that students who are minors must be referred to by the name
00:24:17.220 and pronouns in their official records unless a parent approves the use of something else. And so obviously I would
00:24:25.520 like for kids to never be referred to as anything other than what their sex is. But in this case, they are
00:24:33.220 saying, look, the parent has to know. And if you don't know, this is a huge problem across the board of not just
00:24:40.780 individual teachers, but even school systems saying that they are going to allow a child to go by a
00:24:47.380 different name, to go by a different gender, to go by different pronouns. And the school or the teacher
00:24:52.900 will ask the students, is it OK for me to call you by this name and pronouns in front of your parents? If
00:24:58.920 the child says, no, please don't, then these schools will keep it a secret from their parents. And you see
00:25:05.020 the idea that is within that kind of practice. And that is that parents are a threat, that parents are a real
00:25:14.760 danger to their kids and that these teachers and that this school, that they know better, that they love the
00:25:23.400 kids better, that they are better at seeking the interest of this child, which is always just unconditional
00:25:30.220 affirmation of who the child declares that they are. So the parent who has known that child from
00:25:36.700 birth, who was there when they either adopted that child or when the doctor laid that child on their
00:25:42.260 chest, who knows everything about that child from their favorite food, from their favorite memory, who
00:25:48.500 has woken up countless times in the middle of the night to comfort that scared child, who knows their
00:25:54.380 child's strengths and weaknesses, hopes and dreams, who loves that child more than life itself.
00:26:00.220 would die a thousand deaths for that child. Under previous policies, the Virginia Department
00:26:07.340 of Education said, no, that parent doesn't have authority. The public school system does. The
00:26:12.860 state does. And that is true in many, many states across the country. And that is wrong. That is morally
00:26:20.880 wrong. Obviously, as Christians, we know that's theologically wrong. And yes, of course, there are cases in
00:26:27.200 which the state and public schools need to step in when there is legitimate abuse, when there is
00:26:33.300 legitimate fear of abuse and mistreatment by the parents. But these schools are already, these teachers
00:26:40.960 are already mandatory reporters. In most states, by law, they are required to say if they believe that
00:26:47.980 that child is actually being abused or neglected or mistreated at home. That is something that they are
00:26:55.040 legally bound to do. So in all of these cases, when you hear that the teachers are keeping secret the
00:27:01.780 pronouns of these kids from their parents, it's not actually because they think these parents are
00:27:06.560 abusive. They would have already reported them. It's because they want to drive a wedge between
00:27:11.500 parent and child. Of course, that's demonic. That is satanic. That's what the dark powers that be
00:27:20.520 have been trying to do since the beginning of time. If you look at the history of communism,
00:27:25.660 for example, in the 20th century, or even fascism, any kind of totalitarianism. One of the first orders
00:27:33.080 of business that the state does is try to recruit child soldiers and take them away from the care
00:27:39.220 and from the mentorship of their parents. I mean, George Orwell even writes about this in 1984,
00:27:46.500 how Big Brother would turn children from their parents and the children will become spies against
00:27:53.340 their parents and turn them in to the secret police if their parents committed any thought crime or
00:27:58.200 any infraction. And so this is out of the left-wing playbook. This is out of the totalitarian playbook
00:28:06.840 and always has and always has been. We have talked about the consequences of this,
00:28:14.520 how children who are separated from their parents and then are pushed into transition by school
00:28:20.120 counselors, by school administrators, they often become, if not just completely depressed,
00:28:25.860 suicidal. They're taken out of their home. They're putting in different kind of shelters. They often
00:28:30.700 end up homeless. They're not better off without their parents, without the people who care for them.
00:28:35.520 It's actually the exact opposite of what these trans activists say, that, oh, if parents don't
00:28:40.860 affirm their child and allow them to go on hormones and puberty blockers and get double mastectomies and
00:28:48.100 these kids are going to commit suicide. No, it's actually part of it is actually the breakdown of
00:28:56.280 relationships and the lack of true love that often happens when this ideology breaks parents apart and
00:29:05.480 separates children from their parents that causes them so much mental distress and isolation.
00:29:12.520 So I'm so glad that Governor Youngkin and his Department of Education is doing this. This really
00:29:18.280 will save lives. It'll save families. It'll save a lot of anxiety in parents, but it really will
00:29:26.320 save the lives of young people as well. Schools may not encourage teachers to conceal information about a
00:29:33.360 student's gender from his or her parents. Parents must be given an opportunity to object before counseling
00:29:38.920 services pertaining to gender are offered. Praise God. The 2022 policies are designed to provide clear,
00:29:45.560 accurate and useful guidance to Virginia school boards that align with statutory provisions and took into
00:29:51.660 account 9000 public comments, according to the Virginia Department of Education. Oh, isn't this what's it
00:29:57.820 called? Democracy? Hmm. I thought that leftist said that they like that. Every local school board is
00:30:04.220 required to adopt policies that are consistent with these new 2022 model policies. The guidance is
00:30:11.180 subject to 30 day public comment period that opens later this month. You know, praise God. It really
00:30:17.380 matters who you vote for. I mean, this is a result of two things that we say so much. It's a result of
00:30:22.820 parents raising a respectful ruckus for the things that matter, trying to get him elected that is
00:30:27.740 translating into real policy change that is really going to positively impact people. And it's also
00:30:33.740 people recognizing that politics matter because policy matters because people matter. Politics
00:30:38.120 affects policy. Policy affects people. And while the Republican Party is so far from perfect that I just
00:30:43.320 wish there were more more Republicans who would actually just do something, who would stand up and push
00:30:49.400 back and not be so cowardly and not give in on every social and cultural issue because they think it's
00:30:55.860 too divisive and they're afraid of the LGBTQ lobbyists that are going to go against them. While I wish that
00:31:02.240 the GOP was more conservative and more courageous and more clear, there are some good ones out there. And I
00:31:09.640 really have a hard time understanding why anyone at this point knowing the ideology of each platform would
00:31:16.360 vote Democrat. Now, I understand if you completely agree with the ideology. If you're like, yeah, parents
00:31:21.580 should be secondary in authority to the state and to teachers. Yeah, we should be transing our kids.
00:31:28.040 Like if that's your idea, then yeah, I guess I understand. If you're like, yeah, you know, I think that
00:31:33.680 mass homelessness and increased crime in murder, like what's happening in Illinois with their new
00:31:40.520 bill or new law, which is actually going to turn the state into basically the purge, what's happening
00:31:46.660 in California, what's happening in Austin, what's happening in Denver, what's happening in Oregon and
00:31:51.820 Washington with homelessness and crime, just absolutely rampant. I guess if you think that
00:31:55.960 that's good, if you think that record inflation is good, if you think calling all of your political
00:32:02.320 opponents fascist and threat to the threat to the Republic is good, if you think unfettered abortion paid for
00:32:09.580 by the taxpayer is good, like if you think all of those things are good, I understand why you would
00:32:14.140 vote Democrat more power to you. But if you don't, I can't say that I comprehend your vote. I can't say
00:32:20.960 that I comprehend at this point with as much as we know now how you could vote Democrat. Are you still
00:32:26.280 really under the impression that this is about democracy or something like that? Come on, it's time
00:32:33.840 for us to wake up. It's time for us to wake up and we will, we will welcome you with open arms. All
00:32:40.380 right. Now I've got an amazing conversation for you. A quick conversation with our friend,
00:32:46.820 Jennifer Law. You know, Jennifer, because she's been on twice and you love every time I interview her
00:32:51.720 founder and president of the Center for Bioethics and Culture Network. She is a former pediatric critical
00:32:56.820 care nurse and hospital administrator. We have talked to her in the past about the ethics of things
00:33:02.320 like IVF and like surrogacy. She has done a lot of work in this area. Go back, listen to those
00:33:08.420 previous interviews if you haven't already. And she has just produced an amazing documentary called
00:33:14.700 Detransition Diaries, Saving Our Sisters. It's so compelling. And I just want to hear you or I just
00:33:22.100 want you to hear her talk about it. And then I want you to go immediately and download it and watch it
00:33:28.380 with all of your friends and family. Okay. Before we start talking to Jennifer, let me play you
00:33:44.860 a short trailer of her documentary. From when I was very young, around five years old, I felt like I was
00:33:53.960 limited in what I could do in life as a girl or as a woman. By the time I was about 13, I was starting
00:34:01.920 to feel really depressed. I started self-harming. I started developing an eating disorder. I was
00:34:08.380 introduced to a belief system. If you don't fit in, that's a sign that you're trans. If you don't like
00:34:14.840 your body, then that's a sign that you're trans. And if you transition, all of these problems will be
00:34:20.200 fixed. When I was 22, I started injecting testosterone into my body so that I could
00:34:28.740 medically transition from female to male. Pretty much as soon as I turned 18, I made
00:34:33.960 an appointment. I went to Planned Parenthood. One appointment took about an hour. I called
00:34:39.680 Planned Parenthood. We had about a 30-minute phone conversation. And then I was prescribed
00:34:44.500 testosterone over the phone. I was saying stuff like, oh, I think that I'm going to be so much
00:34:49.300 happier after I transition. Like, I'm really depressed now and I'm suicidal, but everything's
00:34:54.920 going to be so much better after I transition. I wanted people to know that there is life after
00:34:59.020 detransition, even if you've made serious physical changes. Woman, women, mother, mom, girls,
00:35:07.840 girls, daughter. To those people, the peddlers of transgender ideology, these are not your words to give
00:35:15.340 away. Jennifer, welcome back. Thank you so much for joining us this time. Yeah, this time we're
00:35:23.380 talking about the Detransition Diaries. You had your big launch last night. Tell us about it. What
00:35:29.660 is this documentary about? Yeah, well, we did. We went live yesterday. So we actually rented a movie
00:35:36.180 theater, which is great because the theaters were closed for so long with COVID. So it was nice to see
00:35:41.320 a film on the big screen and a big live audience. And we didn't have any protesters, which was,
00:35:47.420 gosh, really an answer to prayer because we were expecting to have all kinds of people screaming on
00:35:51.100 the street. But it was a good energy, a well-engaged audience. I was surprised by how many people said
00:35:58.340 they actually teared up and how emotional the film was, which I agree it is. But the Detransition
00:36:05.420 Diaries is a look at three women who thought that they were born in the wrong body and were told that
00:36:15.080 and felt that if they changed their sex and became men, that that would solve all their problems and
00:36:20.900 make all their gender dysphoria and their depression and their body image problems go away. Of course,
00:36:26.300 they only found out that it didn't help. And in fact, it actually made things quite worse in some of
00:36:32.660 their cases. So it's a beautiful story of, you know, three firsthand account, you know, women
00:36:38.880 telling their story. And I, all through the whole editing and scripting process, people kept asking
00:36:45.880 me, do you have a favorite in the film? And I actually just fell in love with all three of these
00:36:50.940 women. They're, they're dynamic. They're, they're bold and courageous. They're sweet and kind or
00:36:57.660 articulate. They don't come across as mean or angry or bitter. They come across as very trustworthy.
00:37:04.240 And I've just felt honored to be able to hold their stories and let the world sort of hear their
00:37:10.960 stories. And then the film also was released yesterday on demand on our Vimeo channel. So
00:37:16.140 people who miss the live theater audience can go to our Vimeo channel and watch the film.
00:37:21.700 Good. And we'll definitely link that in the description, both on YouTube and on the listening
00:37:26.160 side of things so people can easily click it. And obviously we want people to go watch this
00:37:30.740 for themselves. So I don't want to give too much away. But when you were talking to these women,
00:37:36.900 what was one common thread that you saw maybe early on in their lives that seemed to be an indication
00:37:46.360 that things weren't going the way that they should, at least as far as their mental health goes? Was it
00:37:54.860 their upbringing? Was it a traumatic event? Was it involvement in social media forums? What did you
00:38:00.880 find there? Yeah. I mean, again, just to remind your audience who don't know me, I did work in
00:38:06.880 clinical nursing for many, many years. So what was sort of scandalous and appalling to me was the fact
00:38:13.400 that these women did all have various troubling backgrounds that should have been red flags before
00:38:20.640 doctors and therapists started putting them on what I call the super highway to transgender medicine or
00:38:26.340 affirmation care. So yeah, one woman experienced a significant loss as a young girl, a death of
00:38:33.680 somebody close to her. And the family that she grew up in was kind of a family that didn't talk about
00:38:38.980 things that sort of swept things under the rug. You know, they all had those awkward moments as young
00:38:45.400 girls where they felt uncomfortable in their body. They didn't like their body. They thought they were
00:38:49.600 fat and they were ugly. They didn't fit in. They wished that they could be boys because boys seem to
00:38:54.740 have such an easier road, if you will. So, so many, you know, eating disorders was a common
00:39:01.900 theme with a couple of the girls. And, you know, they weren't. But, but, but I want to put that in the
00:39:11.280 sense of this. These are oftentimes very normal things that young, young people go through. So it wasn't
00:39:16.940 like they needed to be institutionalized. They needed counseling. They need therapy. But they
00:39:23.200 didn't need hormones and surgeries. Right. And that's, that's the thing is that, and, you know,
00:39:28.760 you've talked about this a lot. Abigail Schreier has talked about this a lot, that young girls,
00:39:35.080 I mean, adolescents in general, but especially young girls, you do go through a period when you
00:39:40.080 are going through puberty or just during those teenage years where it's really hard sometimes to be in your
00:39:45.760 own body. It's really hard to be a girl. I talked to a detransitioner a few weeks ago. Her name was,
00:39:53.400 her name is Sophie. And she was talking about, we talked about how one aspect of her wanting to
00:40:00.160 quote unquote become a boy or a man was to try to get rid of the vulnerability that she saw as inherent
00:40:08.680 in womanhood, that she just was very uncomfortable with as her body changed. And as she grew up with
00:40:16.200 being sexualized, with being objectified, with being looked at or gawked at or, um, or whistled at or
00:40:23.620 whatever it is. And she felt that, well, if I become more masculine first, you know, just dressing in a
00:40:31.320 masculine way, but then actually trying to identify as a man, getting top surgery, going on hormones,
00:40:37.880 then I won't be prey anymore. Then I won't be vulnerable. And while I have never struggled with
00:40:44.960 any kind of gender confusion, I understand that mentality. I understand that fear. I understand
00:40:51.960 the vulnerable that is in the vulnerability that is innate in femininity. And that is innate in
00:40:58.280 womanhood, um, that really, you know, men can't fully comprehend, but instead of showing compassion
00:41:05.900 to these young women and saying, Hey, this is normal. And here's how we kind of deal with these
00:41:09.920 feelings. They're being pushed. And as you have mentioned before, into being slaves to the medical
00:41:16.140 industrial complex, that's just pushing them on this, as you said, this highway to transition.
00:41:23.500 Yeah. And one of the young women in the film actually did have that kind of experience as a
00:41:27.940 little girl. She had a little neighborhood boy playmate, um, who was way too wise or unwise
00:41:36.160 for his young years. And, you know, would actually say, you know, we should kiss and we should take
00:41:41.240 our clothes off and do things like that, which made her feel very uncomfortable as a, you know,
00:41:45.760 a younger than 10 year old little girl, as you can imagine. And children don't really know how to
00:41:50.740 handle those kinds of things other than they feel, um, at risk. They feel, they feel afraid.
00:41:56.180 So I remember as a young nurse, you know, it was a back in the day before we had all this, um,
00:42:01.660 sexual harassment stuff in the workplace. And, you know, I, I had doctors that would be very
00:42:07.080 inappropriate with, with me. I oftentimes, when I would get off work at the hospital at midnight at
00:42:11.320 night, I had to walk out to a dark parking lot to get to my car would feel like, you know, really
00:42:15.920 afraid. I don't think men sort of have that kind of, you know, category that they don't walk out at
00:42:20.240 night to their car in the dark and feel like, Oh my gosh, am I going to get attacked?
00:42:23.580 Yeah. Right. And so I think that we're just kind of categorizing all of these very normal feelings,
00:42:30.500 or maybe sometimes they're abnormal some, because some of these girls, they don't just have the
00:42:35.440 normal discomfort that comes with adolescence and growing up, but they also have serious trauma in
00:42:40.580 their past, or they have serious depression, serious anxiety. Sometimes they're on the autism
00:42:46.420 spectrum. And even that, all of that is kind of being, in some cases, shoved to the side and just
00:42:53.180 kind of placed under this umbrella, well, you're probably just transgender. And then what's being
00:42:58.860 found is that transitioning is not actually helping the mental health of these young girls. Is that
00:43:05.840 what the women that you interviewed found as well? Yeah, they, they kept thinking that, you know,
00:43:13.140 there, there was flags along the way in their steps in their transition, you know, when they went
00:43:17.920 onto testosterone and this, all the negative effects of testosterone, when one of the women in the film
00:43:22.680 actually moved forward with the double mastectomy and had her breasts removed, but they, they tell
00:43:28.200 themselves that because they have this dysphoria, this is part of what I need to do to get rid of
00:43:33.860 this dysphoria. So when they have negative symptoms of testosterone, they go, but, but that bright future
00:43:40.980 is just around the corner. If I have to stay on this path and maybe I feel regret right now,
00:43:45.840 but you know, tomorrow will be better. You know, we've all been in situations in our life where
00:43:50.040 things are really going bad and we just kind of go, tomorrow will be better. Tomorrow will be better.
00:43:54.880 And it was only until, you know, in, in cats, cat is one of the women in the film, who's a beautiful
00:44:01.020 singer. She actually produced and performs an original song in the film, you know, when the
00:44:06.280 testosterone just totally destroyed her singing voice that, that jarred her enough to take, you know,
00:44:12.360 to take the steps back and stop taking the testosterone. And she canceled her double
00:44:16.740 mastectomy surgery. It was when Grace went on a website and heard of another transition person
00:44:22.980 who kept talking about no matter what they did with their body in, in surgeries and corrections
00:44:28.500 and therapies and drugs, they, they found something else to be unhappy with. And she realized at that
00:44:34.500 point, there will be no bottom to this. I will, even if I have now the phalloplasty surgery,
00:44:39.840 then I will have something else that she saw. It talks about how I still have wide hips like a
00:44:45.000 woman and I can't get rid of my hips. So she realized then that there was really no bottom
00:44:49.680 to this pursuing this path and to stop, you know, immediately. She's not sure whether she's going to
00:44:55.680 have reconstructive surgery at this point. She's not sure if she's damaged her fertility. She talks
00:45:00.920 about on the film about how when she transitioned, she wasn't thinking she even wanted children.
00:45:05.760 But now that she's happily married to a man, she's really wants children. And she doesn't know if
00:45:11.640 she'll be able to have children now that she's taken so much testosterone in her body.
00:45:15.720 And that's one aspect of this that just breaks my heart is that of course, when you're 16, 17,
00:45:32.380 even 20 years old, you just don't really have the capacity to understand what you will want
00:45:40.040 on the other side of this, what you will want one day. Of course, you don't want children right now.
00:45:45.200 You're young, you're living your life, you're doing what you want to do. So it's hard for you
00:45:49.400 to imagine the desires that come with growing up. And one of those desires is motherhood.
00:45:55.420 And you have completely, these doctors have completely ruined their chances, these girls'
00:46:01.900 chances of becoming moms biologically very often. And even if they don't, even if they gain their
00:46:07.900 fertility, these women, these young women, young girls who are having double mastectomies,
00:46:12.420 they'll never be able to breastfeed. They'll never even have that option. That's something
00:46:17.480 that has been taken away from them forever. And it just seems like so much of the compassion in
00:46:24.140 the mainstream, even part of like what I would consider the quote unquote, I don't know, social
00:46:28.700 justice church. The compassion and empathy, we're told only has to be directed towards those who say
00:46:36.420 that they're the opposite gender from what they are. But I really don't see those people very often
00:46:41.760 highlighting these detransition stories and looking like we're causing irreversible damage. And very
00:46:48.200 few people are willing to stand up and say stop.
00:46:51.420 Yeah. And we had a discussion last night after the showing of the film and Kat in the film was on
00:46:57.060 hand. So she was live in the audience. And we also had a mother who's very involved in the state of
00:47:02.820 California opposing our gender affirmation laws that are on Governor Newsom's desk right now for
00:47:08.520 him to sign. And, you know, it was very clear that, you know, these, these kids are also spending so
00:47:15.720 much time on social media. And when this one mom was talking about her own daughter, who became what
00:47:21.500 is called a desister, meaning her daughter lived, dressed, acted like a man, but never took any drugs or
00:47:29.700 any surgery, but she desisted in that she became comfortable being a girl in her girl body.
00:47:35.160 You know, that mother said, she took her daughter's phone away. She, she went to every school board
00:47:41.520 meeting. She read every single book that her child was going to be asked to read before her child even
00:47:46.700 started school that year. She looked at the curriculum. She talked about being the only parent
00:47:51.720 at a school board meeting this last year, where this, you know, they were going to be teaching
00:47:56.140 gender. This is after her child desisted or before, before, during and after she is, she's now happily
00:48:04.020 living with her desisted daughter, but still very active in fighting the good fight in the state.
00:48:10.180 And she runs the, she's the local woman that runs our duty dot group, which is an international
00:48:17.260 project. But she gave some real practical things because that's what people need, especially parents.
00:48:22.780 You know, when you all of a sudden have a child that you've known and loved their whole life,
00:48:26.560 and all of a sudden they come home and say they're born in the wrong body and they want you to call
00:48:29.560 them this, you know, parents need the tools because right now they're not going to be able to be
00:48:34.320 getting trustworthy tools from their physician necessarily from their child's teacher necessarily
00:48:40.080 from therapists, um, the internet. But, but when you look at the growing number of
00:48:46.180 detransitioners in the Reddit community, uh, it's exploding. And I think, you know, the,
00:48:52.540 the trans activists like to say that these detransitioners are my minority, a minor voice
00:48:58.920 in this debate, which they are not. And I think we are going to see way more people becoming more
00:49:03.540 emboldened to tell their story. Once movies like the detransition diaries and others come out and
00:49:09.460 people start hearing, Whoa, what are we doing? What have we done?
00:49:13.240 Yeah. So this is a good movie, obviously to watch if you're on our side of things and you already
00:49:19.320 know how dangerous and, and deadly this whole industry and movement is just to hear from people's
00:49:26.840 personal stories, just to be equipped, uh, with those stories and with those testimonies. But it
00:49:32.000 would also be great for you to watch for people to watch with those who are on the fence, or maybe
00:49:37.700 they're not even on the fence, but they just kind of deny that this is something that exists or who
00:49:42.540 think, as I kind of described a second ago, who think all of the empathy should just be in the
00:49:48.580 direction of affirming someone's stated identity rather than seeing the physical damage that is
00:49:56.760 being done on these young people's bodies. So this is going to convince and persuade, but it's also
00:50:03.680 going to embolden those of us and empower those of us who already are in this fight. Just remind us,
00:50:10.960 to double down on our efforts. And so I'm just so thankful for you for giving a platform
00:50:17.180 to these women. I hope that you make many more detransition diaries. Fortunately and unfortunately,
00:50:23.960 there will be many more of these stories and someone's got to give them a pedestal. And so
00:50:28.980 I'm thankful that you're doing that. So people can go to the Vimeo link, correct? Is there anywhere
00:50:33.980 else you'd like them to go? Well, I think the Vimeo channel first, because I really want people
00:50:40.040 to see the movie. If you just go to Vimeo and you just search for the detransition diaries,
00:50:44.140 the film will pop up. But we do have a YouTube channel that's full of all kinds of other free
00:50:49.560 content. And all of our other movies are there. The Vimeo is a pay-per-view. So we're asking people
00:50:55.600 to be willing to chip in. I'm telling people it's basically about the cost of a Starbucks pumpkin
00:51:00.780 latte to watch it. Just because we have some budget bills to pay. But once we've covered our
00:51:07.860 budget, we'll move it on to YouTube for free viewing, too. And we've already had people in
00:51:11.980 Italy that have asked to translate the film into Italian. And that's in 24 hours.
00:51:17.160 That is awesome. Well, I just pray that this continues to take off. Thank you so much,
00:51:21.740 Jennifer, for taking the time to come on and for all that you do.
00:51:25.740 Thank you.
00:51:26.640 Thank you.
00:51:27.240 Have a great day.
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