Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 686 ｜ Yes, COVID Vaccines Affect Breastmilk & Periods

00:00:00.000 A new study shows that trace amounts of mRNAs from the COVID vaccine is now showing up in breast milk.

00:00:10.300 Also, the Washington Post is finally reporting that, yes, the COVID vaccine is affecting women's cycles

00:00:19.740 after we heard for so long that this definitely was not happening.

00:00:24.380 Also, the Nord Stream pipeline going from Russia to European countries is suffering from unexplained leaks that is affecting the continent.

00:00:35.220 And so we are going to talk to one of our favorite guests about what exactly that means and what the consequences will be.

00:00:43.920 We've got all of this and more today.

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00:00:54.380 All right.

00:01:04.760 Before we get into the interview that we have for today, I wanted to make sure that I talked about this new revelation,

00:01:12.120 this new study in the scientific community that says that trace amounts of the COVID vaccine,

00:01:19.080 mRNAs, were found in breast milk.

00:01:22.960 And now they are cautioning women who are breastfeeding babies under the age of six months,

00:01:31.340 that if they get the vaccine, they should not breastfeed their babies for two days after that,

00:01:39.000 because that's totally feasible, right?

00:01:40.800 You can just stop breastfeeding your baby for a couple of days.

00:01:44.260 All right.

00:01:45.060 Here's what The Daily Wire has reported.

00:01:46.920 A new study published Monday revealed trace amounts of COVID vaccine mRNAs were found in the breast milk of some lactating women.

00:01:55.740 The Journal of the American Medical Association, an international peer-reviewed general medical journal published since 1993,

00:02:04.120 released the study to the public and has now issued a warning for women breastfeeding infants younger than six months.

00:02:09.300 So just as an aside, don't worry, it's only babies under six months.

00:02:14.980 So apparently something magical happens on the night that your baby goes from five months,

00:02:20.900 30 days to six months that it's totally okay for your six-month-old baby to be taking in these trace amounts of this vaccine through your breast milk.

00:02:32.020 Caution is warranted regarding breastfeeding infants younger than six months in the first two days after maternal COVID-19 vaccination.

00:02:39.980 The Journal said in a tweet, that is just transphobic nonsense.

00:02:44.680 Don't they know it's supposed to be chest feeding?

00:02:46.760 And you can't say maternal.

00:02:48.760 You have to say parental.

00:02:50.960 Officials said that despite believing it is safe to breastfeed after maternal COVID vaccination,

00:02:56.380 they did not test the possible cumulative vaccine mRNA exposure.

00:03:01.100 After frequent breastfeeding in infants.

00:03:04.140 In addition, the potential interference of COVID-19 vaccine mRNA with the immune response to multiple routine vaccines

00:03:12.700 given to infants during the first six months of age needs to be considered.

00:03:17.480 The study reads, it is critical that lactating individuals.

00:03:21.080 There it is.

00:03:22.400 There it is.

00:03:23.080 We got the trans inclusion.

00:03:24.880 It is critical that lactating individuals be included in future vaccination trials

00:03:30.120 to better evaluate the effect of mRNA vaccines on lactation outcomes.

00:03:36.120 The U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the FDA, held off on approving vaccinating infants younger than six months

00:03:42.800 until more data on how it could impact their immune system became available.

00:03:47.700 So this study came out on Monday saying, oh, shoot, actually, actually, we've got amounts of the vaccine

00:03:55.360 that are getting through breast milk probably, probably shouldn't get through to babies that are under six months. 1.00

00:04:01.660 Now, this is after mothers who have been breastfeeding their babies who are under six months old 0.98

00:04:07.680 have been told for many months now that it's perfectly safe.

00:04:12.360 Don't be a conspiracy theorist.

00:04:14.340 Don't be a science denier.

00:04:17.060 Oh, what you want you and your baby to die?

00:04:20.420 You need to get this vaccine.

00:04:22.440 There is no evidence that this is going to harm you or harm your baby in any way.

00:04:27.040 In fact, we were told explicitly that the vaccine could not cause any damage

00:04:34.300 or was not passing through in any detrimental way to babies who are being breastfed.

00:04:41.980 And yet, if you look at the CDC website that is up right now, that was last updated July 14th, 2022.

00:04:48.940 It says this COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for all people six months and older.

00:04:54.580 This includes people who are pregnant, people who are pregnant. 0.83

00:04:57.580 I wish there was a shorter word for that.

00:05:00.180 Breastfeeding, trying to get pregnant now or might become pregnant in the future.

00:05:04.780 CDC also recommends COVID-19 vaccines for infants six months and older.

00:05:09.740 Who's mother?

00:05:10.780 Wow, they used the wrong who's.

00:05:13.020 Come on.

00:05:13.820 I guess that shouldn't surprise us.

00:05:15.280 It's W-H-O-S-E when you're talking about possessive, not apostrophe S.

00:05:21.100 And an older whose mother, mother, so inconsistent here.

00:05:26.100 I can't even get through this without talking about like the inconsistency.

00:05:30.260 Whose mother was vaccinated or had a COVID infection before or while pregnant.

00:05:36.580 So if you are pregnant or were recently pregnant, the CDC site says you are more likely to get

00:05:41.760 very sick from COVID-19 compared to people who are not pregnant.

00:05:44.580 Additionally, if you have COVID-19 during pregnancy, you are at increased risk of complications that

00:05:49.360 can affect your pregnancy and developing baby.

00:05:51.720 And so, of course, of course, a lot of people are going to be pressured into this.

00:05:55.320 Of course, a lot of people are going to be shamed and told that you're not a good mother.

00:05:59.960 You're not taking care of yourself.

00:06:01.340 You're not taking care of your baby if you don't get this COVID-19 vaccine while you are

00:06:05.700 pregnant or postpartum.

00:06:06.760 Getting a COVID-19 vaccine, the CDC site says now, can help protect you from getting very

00:06:12.380 sick from COVID-19.

00:06:15.260 There's no stipulation.

00:06:16.460 There's no caveat.

00:06:18.120 There's no point here that says, hey, you know what?

00:06:20.860 We just don't know enough yet to say that this is perfectly safe for breastfeeding moms. 1.00

00:06:27.340 We don't have enough evidence quite yet to say that this is going to be healthy for women 0.63

00:06:35.180 who are pregnant and they're developing babies.

00:06:37.260 So let's just kind of wait and see.

00:06:39.520 You know, that's all they had to say.

00:06:41.480 I'm not mad that things change based on more data, based on more studying.

00:06:46.720 I mean, human beings are fallible.

00:06:48.460 And of course, people are going to make errors or we're just not going to have enough information

00:06:55.460 to draw certain conclusions at certain points, but maybe a little bit of humility at some

00:07:00.720 point by the scientific and medical community or most people or a lot of people in it, including

00:07:06.580 Anthony Fauci, would have really gone a long way from the CDC, from the NIH to just say,

00:07:14.460 you know what, maybe we shouldn't be threatening to take away people's livelihoods when it comes

00:07:20.440 to this vaccine, especially when it comes to mothers, because we just don't know enough

00:07:26.380 yet to be mandating this and to be shaming people into this.

00:07:30.820 And maybe we shouldn't be encouraging OBGYNs and nurses to pressure these women into getting 1.00

00:07:37.800 this vaccine because we just don't quite have the data yet.

00:07:41.080 That's all I'm asking.

00:07:41.840 I'm not asking that scientists and that doctors get everything right the first time.

00:07:46.760 I'm not even asking that of someone with as much responsibility and as much impact on

00:07:52.400 public policy as Anthony Fauci.

00:07:55.020 I'm just asking for a little humility, a little bit of admission in the beginning that we're

00:08:02.840 still looking at this and it is perfectly logical for people, but especially mothers who

00:08:08.900 are pregnant or breastfeeding to say, you know what, I'd like a little bit more information

00:08:12.680 on this before I make my decision.

00:08:16.260 And for doctors and for scientists and for people in the media, for friends to take a

00:08:21.180 step back and say, you know what, that's wise.

00:08:23.680 That's that's prudent.

00:08:24.860 If we look at the statistics surrounding the seriousness of COVID and the lack of data in

00:08:33.500 a lot of ways that we have on the vaccine, especially when it comes to certain populations,

00:08:37.700 that actually makes a lot of logical and rational sense for you, mom, to take a step back and

00:08:43.000 maybe don't do this.

00:08:44.320 But that's not what happened.

00:08:46.320 That's not what happened.

00:08:47.840 People were shamed.

00:08:49.540 People lost their jobs.

00:08:50.720 People quit their jobs so they wouldn't be forced to take this vaccine.

00:08:54.660 I know women who did not want to get the vaccine, but they were postpartum, very vulnerable,

00:09:00.400 emotional state or they were pregnant and they were told by their doctor, if you don't get

00:09:05.960 this, you are likely to die.

00:09:08.060 Your baby is likely to die.

00:09:10.100 But if you do get this postpartum mom still in the hospital being stitched up, then you will 0.99

00:09:16.460 pass immunity on to your child.

00:09:18.720 Isn't that what a good mother would do? 1.00

00:09:20.440 They didn't want to, but they felt like they were manipulated and they did.

00:09:24.720 And now we're told that maybe it actually is a little bit harmful.

00:09:27.800 And it doesn't say in this particular study that the vaccine is harmful for developing

00:09:33.920 babies in the womb.

00:09:37.100 It doesn't say in particular that it's harmful for pregnant women.

00:09:40.700 But I think we can use like a little bit of deductive reasoning again.

00:09:44.560 There's at least enough information now to take a step back for someone to have just a

00:09:49.440 little bit of freaking humility and say, ooh, maybe we don't know.

00:09:54.620 Maybe we don't know.

00:09:55.800 Maybe we should look at this a little bit harder.

00:09:58.480 Maybe we should wait just a little bit before saying that pregnant women should be taking this. 1.00

00:10:03.460 Reuters in July, July of 2021 published this very confidently.

00:10:21.320 No traces of mRNA vaccines end up in mothers' breast milk.

00:10:25.500 A small study suggests the COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna deliver a synthetic version of

00:10:31.580 messenger RNA molecules designed to instruct cells to build replicas of the coronavirus spike protein.

00:10:36.740 While these beneficial antibodies may pass from mothers to infants via breast milk, isn't that great?

00:10:41.500 The milk does not contain the mRNA itself, dummy.

00:10:47.080 Researchers found in their analyses of 13 breast milk samples from seven vaccinated women.

00:10:52.240 Wow, what a huge sample size.

00:10:53.820 Thank you so much.

00:10:55.040 The World Health Organization recommends that breastfeeding mothers be vaccinated against COVID-19

00:11:00.700 and does not advise stopping breastfeeding afterwards.

00:11:04.380 Well, thank you so much to Reuters.

00:11:07.740 Thank you so much, Pfizer.

00:11:09.060 Thank you so much, scientific community, for your confidence.

00:11:13.500 I mean, I was called a science denier.

00:11:16.380 Thankfully, when I was pregnant last time, my youngest was born in April of 2021.

00:11:24.220 And if you'll remember, that was like right at the height of pressure to get the vaccine.

00:11:29.660 Thankfully, my providers did not pressure me to get it.

00:11:33.620 But there was, I mean, there was pressure in the hospital.

00:11:36.280 There was just pressure in general to get the vaccine.

00:11:41.340 And again, like your quality of motherhood in many of these cases is being judged based

00:11:49.020 on whether or not you get the vaccine.

00:11:50.760 And I didn't.

00:11:51.540 I didn't.

00:11:52.160 I didn't want to.

00:11:54.080 I didn't feel comfortable with it.

00:11:56.540 Both when I was pregnant and when I was postpartum, I still am not.

00:12:01.260 I still haven't been vaccinated.

00:12:03.080 I don't know if I've ever said that like completely explicitly, but I'm not.

00:12:07.760 Didn't want to.

00:12:08.740 Got COVID.

00:12:09.400 Whole family got COVID.

00:12:10.780 It sucked.

00:12:11.420 I won't lie.

00:12:12.660 But we got over it and I never felt comfortable with it.

00:12:16.200 I always wanted more information.

00:12:17.760 I always wanted more data, especially though, while I was pregnant and breastfeeding.

00:12:25.040 And so I feel, I mean, I'm sad, but I do feel a little bit vindicated.

00:12:32.460 I do feel like, okay, I'm really glad that I went with that.

00:12:36.820 I'm really glad that I stuck with my choice.

00:12:39.660 And I'll be honest, like there were moments while I was pregnant last time, 2020, 2021,

00:12:44.560 where I thought, you know, maybe I should just get it.

00:12:50.140 Maybe I should.

00:12:51.520 Like, maybe it is the smart thing to do.

00:12:54.040 Like, I don't, if this really is that much more dangerous and deadly for pregnant women,

00:13:00.060 then maybe I should just get it.

00:13:01.860 I personally am glad that I did.

00:13:03.900 Now, I know that there are many of you out there who did.

00:13:06.740 And you and your baby are perfectly fine.

00:13:08.900 And you're glad that you got that.

00:13:10.360 And that is fine.

00:13:11.480 That is fine.

00:13:12.340 I don't, I don't judge you.

00:13:14.320 I'm not mad about that.

00:13:15.880 That is perfectly fine.

00:13:17.600 What I am mad about and what I don't expect to get any apology for, either to me or to

00:13:23.820 all of the other people who, who bore the brunt of this is the gaslighting and the manipulation

00:13:31.400 and the bullying and the pressure to get something that we did not want to get.

00:13:36.060 And we knew at that time that we really didn't need it.

00:13:40.800 Okay.

00:13:41.080 I'm not speaking for everyone.

00:13:42.620 I'm not saying that no one needs it or no one should get it.

00:13:48.040 But again, all I'm asking for is like a little bit of humility that trust the science is a

00:13:55.220 nonsensical phrase.

00:13:57.380 It doesn't, it, it, it defies all logic.

00:14:00.500 It defies actually like what science is.

00:14:03.120 You don't trust the science.

00:14:04.400 You test the science.

00:14:05.600 That is what science is by nature.

00:14:10.060 So when Dr. Fauci says people who deny me or people who question me are actually denying

00:14:17.580 science or questioning science, that is someone who has a God complex.

00:14:21.220 I think that's true of a lot of people at the CDC, a lot of people at the NIH, a lot of people

00:14:26.700 in the media, a lot of people in our medical industrial complex, a lot of people at these

00:14:32.580 pharmaceutical companies.

00:14:33.760 And they just couldn't bear to say, we don't quite know yet.

00:14:38.680 And who knows, honestly, the damage that that might have done.

00:14:43.240 Like, is there, are there going to be reparations to the babies that may have suffered from this,

00:14:47.700 whose moms thought that they were taking good advice from their doctor and, and Dr. Fauci,

00:14:52.720 and maybe now their baby is harmed in some way, probably in ways that we will never fully know.

00:14:57.820 Will there be payback?

00:14:59.200 Will there be some kind of sorry for that?

00:15:02.600 Doesn't sound like it.

00:15:03.680 Doesn't seem like it.

00:15:04.760 Because remember, the people, what's really, it breaks down to people on the left, but it's

00:15:11.440 people who followed the mainstream progressive position at the first, whether it was lockdowns

00:15:18.200 or whether it's, you know, mandating vaccines or whatever it was, like they will never be held

00:15:26.620 accountable for the consequences of their lives.

00:15:29.460 They are always going to be remembered, at least by the mainstream media, for their valiant

00:15:35.720 intentions.

00:15:36.680 It doesn't matter that in Michigan and in New York and in California, that the rate of death

00:15:43.580 was the same as a lot of the red states that never locked down.

00:15:46.420 What really matters is that they locked down.

00:15:49.160 And apparently that was the compassionate position.

00:15:51.960 It's going to be the same thing here.

00:15:54.120 The people who make decisions in our country are never held accountable and never have

00:15:59.180 to endure the consequences of the decisions that they make.

00:16:03.240 No, those consequences rest on people like you and me.

00:16:07.060 There is another aspect of this that I want to talk about briefly.

00:16:12.140 I just saw it this morning.

00:16:13.260 It was published yesterday in The Washington Post.

00:16:15.740 And again, this is another example of COVID gaslighting, especially when it comes to women 1.00

00:16:20.380 that a lot of people are going to feel vindicated about.

00:16:23.040 Some people might feel regretful about their choice based on this.

00:16:25.820 This is according to The Washington Post.

00:16:27.960 Women said coronavirus shots affect periods.

00:16:30.660 New studies show they're right. 0.96

00:16:32.380 Really?

00:16:33.340 Because I seem to remember listening to a podcast that someone recommended to me by these two

00:16:40.080 doctors and scientists, these lovers of objective truth, that said, that doesn't even make

00:16:46.400 any sense.

00:16:47.160 It doesn't even make any sense that somehow the vaccine would affect a woman's cycle.

00:16:54.780 Because the components of the vaccine do this and are this and a woman's cycle does this 1.00

00:17:00.820 and they are not dependent on one another at all.

00:17:03.600 So it's probably just a coincidence.

00:17:05.760 I mean, it's probably just because of the stress that people are in or if you've gotten

00:17:09.660 COVID.

00:17:10.300 COVID and other people, though, did acknowledge, I will say there are people left, right, whatever,

00:17:16.640 who did say, OK, any kind of vaccine, any kind of like shock to the system has the potential

00:17:22.860 of changing your cycle.

00:17:24.860 But they would say it doesn't affect fertility.

00:17:26.920 But again, I would say we don't know.

00:17:29.100 We don't know if it affects fertility.

00:17:31.180 It might not.

00:17:32.860 But really, we don't know.

00:17:34.500 I just think that we would be a whole lot better off if more people and more people in

00:17:38.220 charge that we don't know.

00:17:39.840 And also, just remember this as just a rule of thumb saying there is no evidence for is

00:17:46.900 not the same thing as saying something's not true or something's not real.

00:17:53.220 Just because something doesn't have evidence yet because it hasn't been studied doesn't

00:17:58.180 mean that it's not true or that there won't be data supporting that one day.

00:18:08.220 So let me read you a little bit from this Washington Post, this Washington Post story.

00:18:21.840 Not long after the rollout of the coronavirus vaccine last year, women began posting on

00:18:26.400 social media about what they believed was a side effect, a side effect changes to their

00:18:31.020 periods.

00:18:31.420 Now, I will say that my friend, Gabriel Finocchio, he posted messages of women.

00:18:40.760 I think it was sometime last year or maybe it was the beginning of this year.

00:18:43.580 He posted messages from women who said this, who said, yeah, my cycle changed after getting

00:18:50.000 the vaccine.

00:18:51.020 He was kicked off Instagram.

00:18:52.780 I think he started it back up.

00:18:55.380 He was able to get another account.

00:18:56.560 But he was kicked off Instagram for sharing women's stories about this because that was 1.00

00:19:01.000 spreading misinformation.

00:19:03.060 I think I've heard it say heard it said before, and I don't remember who said it, like the

00:19:07.440 difference between the right a right wing conspiracy theory and the truth is six months, something

00:19:16.060 like that.

00:19:16.640 That seems to be true.

00:19:17.520 What starts out is this crazy conspiracy theory that like maybe COVID didn't come from pangolins

00:19:25.520 and like a wet market in China ends up being confirmed.

00:19:30.220 And it seems to be the same thing here.

00:19:32.400 A new study of nearly 20,000 women, women.

00:19:35.980 Wow.

00:19:36.720 Washington Post shows that getting vaccinated against COVID can change the timing of the

00:19:41.780 menstrual cycle.

00:19:42.680 Study was conducted for the National Institutes of Health.

00:19:46.300 Vaccinated women experienced on average about a one day delay in getting their periods

00:19:50.880 compared with those who hadn't been vaccinated.

00:19:53.820 Data was taken from a popular period tracking app called Natural Cycles.

00:19:58.220 Was this consented to?

00:19:59.520 I hope so.

00:20:00.660 This is this included women around the world.

00:20:04.200 Researchers analyzed three menstrual cycles before the vaccine and at least one after and

00:20:08.440 compared with four cycles in the unvaccinated group.

00:20:10.540 People who received two vaccinations within one menstrual cycle experienced greater disruptions.

00:20:15.760 Four day average increase in cycle length.

00:20:18.700 13% experiencing a delay of eight days or more.

00:20:23.040 I mean, that's pretty significant.

00:20:25.020 Allison Edelman, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Oregon Health and Sciences, who

00:20:29.820 led the study said the effects were mostly temporary, only lasting one cycle before returning to normal.

00:20:37.320 No indications from this study that there was any impact on fertility.

00:20:42.080 Yes, because, again, that's not what this study actually studied.

00:20:45.940 Researchers don't know exactly why the vaccine seemed to affect menstrual cycles.

00:20:51.520 But Edelman said that the immune and reproductive systems are linked.

00:20:55.400 OK, and that inflammation or a strong immune response could trigger menstrual fluctuation.

00:21:00.100 OK, so maybe it's no big deal that I'm totally open to that possibility.

00:21:04.420 Maybe it's no big deal at all.

00:21:05.860 Maybe it is just that it's causing inflammation.

00:21:07.860 That's what the vaccines do.

00:21:09.280 That's what lots of different vaccines do.

00:21:11.320 And as your body is adjusting to that inflammation, just like the just like your body adjusts to

00:21:16.100 inflammation that comes from other causes, your cycle is just temporarily disrupted.

00:21:20.640 Everything goes back to normal and it's all good.

00:21:22.700 That is that could be what it is.

00:21:26.960 And maybe for some people, for some women, it is still worth it to get vaccinated.

00:21:32.920 But knowing what we know again, again, like wouldn't the better position to be all right.

00:21:39.020 Some women don't want a disruption of their cycle because we do not know yet how this could 1.00

00:21:45.840 affect other parts of their reproductive system.

00:21:48.240 If it is affecting your cycle, if it is affecting in some ways your reproductive health, isn't

00:21:55.260 it just logical to say that maybe there is a possibility, even if it's a tiny possibility,

00:22:00.480 that it could affect your fertility?

00:22:03.280 Like, isn't that a possibility?

00:22:05.900 Let's just say that it is.

00:22:07.880 And if that possibility is out there, because we know that there is an effect on the menstrual

00:22:13.060 cycle by these vaccines, we should not be pressuring women to get it who don't want to get it.

00:22:19.560 No more doctors pressuring, no more politicians pressuring.

00:22:23.440 Like, you will remember that the president of the United States said that companies with

00:22:28.680 100 employees or more must force their employees to get this vaccine or those companies will face

00:22:39.260 inordinate, unaffordable fines.

00:22:43.060 So that means pregnant employees. 1.00

00:22:46.920 That means women in their childbearing years, the president of the United States wanted to 1.00

00:22:52.060 make sure that you were forced, if you worked for one of these companies, to get this vaccine

00:22:56.480 that we now know has an effect on breastfeeding, comes through the milk, and we now know has

00:23:02.880 an effect on the cycle.

00:23:03.940 So, again, let's just take a step back, have a little bit of humility, and just say, we don't

00:23:14.820 quite know.

00:23:16.440 We don't quite know.

00:23:19.000 There's also another part of this study.

00:23:21.400 The study also found that breakthrough bleeding, so I'm guessing this is probably defined as like

00:23:26.920 spotting in between periods.

00:23:29.120 Not fun.

00:23:30.660 Breakthrough bleeding was reported by 39% of women on gender-affirming hormones.

00:23:39.300 Wow.

00:23:39.880 I am, my mind is, so on testosterone.

00:23:42.980 So these are actual women trying to be a man, very confused about this language. 0.95

00:23:50.080 Our world is crazy.

00:23:51.320 So 39% of those women found that they had breakthrough bleeding.

00:23:56.540 71% of women on long-lasting or reversible contraceptives, so like a birth control pill or something,

00:24:03.120 that actually stopped the period.

00:24:04.440 They had breakthrough bleeding, so they're not supposed to be bleeding.

00:24:07.180 They were bleeding.

00:24:07.620 66% of post-menopausal women, so that's women who were supposed to have stopped having a period

00:24:12.340 after they got the COVID vaccine.

00:24:14.420 They started bleeding again.

00:24:16.220 Not great.

00:24:17.220 Not great.

00:24:18.720 Again, I think science is wonderful.

00:24:21.060 I think modern medicine is wonderful.

00:24:23.040 I am thankful for scientists.

00:24:25.720 I could never be a scientist.

00:24:27.420 I am very thankful for scientists.

00:24:28.920 I'm very thankful for modern medicine.

00:24:30.580 I am very thankful for so many of the developments that technology and science and medicine have

00:24:37.440 brought us over the past century, especially.

00:24:41.980 I mean, it's really incredible how many lives that has saved.

00:24:46.140 But when you replace God with science and say that we must trust the science, we must follow

00:24:53.680 the science, we must do what the scientists say no matter what, or else you're going to be

00:24:58.160 punished by the government, or else you're going to be excluded from society.

00:25:04.180 You're going to be unable to basically provide for yourself or your family or engage in your

00:25:10.380 community at all.

00:25:12.320 That's going to lead to some really, really scary repercussions for people.

00:25:19.240 And it has.

00:25:20.100 And it has.

00:25:21.180 Especially that now we know that there is potentially a lot more harm that is being done

00:25:26.680 by these vaccines than we originally were told.

00:25:30.960 Don't just trust the science just because someone tells you to.

00:25:35.840 Ask critical questions.

00:25:37.400 And those who did are feeling a little bit vindicated right now.

00:25:42.140 And again, if you did get this vaccine, I'm not trying to guilt you.

00:25:45.880 I'm not trying to make you feel bad about that.

00:25:48.440 I'm just saying that, again, we should all, especially those who tried to use this to kind

00:25:56.780 of hammer people over the head, have some humility and ask some questions the next time

00:26:02.820 one of these so-called solutions comes around for a so-called emergency.

00:26:08.380 All right.

00:26:09.020 That's all I've got with that.

00:26:10.680 And now we are going to move into our conversation.

00:26:15.440 But first, let me tell you about our next sponsor.

00:26:29.120 Ross, thank you so much for joining us.

00:26:31.180 I think this is your third time on.

00:26:33.940 You're great at explaining the complexities of everything that is happening.

00:26:38.520 What is the Nord Stream pipeline?

00:26:40.540 Is this different than Nordstrom, the department store?

00:26:43.020 It's a little bit different.

00:26:45.920 One moves natural gas.

00:26:48.200 One sells dresses and silverware.

00:26:50.800 And I don't know.

00:26:51.260 I'll be honest with you.

00:26:52.000 I've probably never been in a Nord Stream in my life.

00:26:53.860 Got it.

00:26:54.400 So your expertise is Nord Stream pipeline.

00:26:57.720 Tell us what's going on.

00:26:58.740 Why are people talking about this?

00:27:01.380 Yeah.

00:27:01.560 So the first Nord Stream opened up a little over 10 years ago.

00:27:04.620 And the idea is that it would, so Gazprom, the Russian energy giant, was a big part of

00:27:11.120 that.

00:27:11.320 It's a major partner in that.

00:27:12.440 And you had a couple of European entities as well.

00:27:14.900 And it essentially connects natural gas flows from Russia into Northern Europe for consumption.

00:27:20.820 And it is a major pipeline.

00:27:23.540 It's quite enormous, actually.

00:27:25.060 And then about six years ago, they wanted to start building Nord Stream 2, which would

00:27:32.040 double the throughput of natural gas from Russia into Europe.

00:27:36.420 And so, of course, a lot of companies that depend on natural gas, it's fertilizer manufacturers,

00:27:40.980 vitamin manufacturers.

00:27:43.540 You know, anything that basically utilizes natural gas as energy feedstock or as a raw material

00:27:48.080 in the production the way nitrogen fertilizer does, would have been really dependent on that.

00:27:53.120 It was the cheapest and most abundant source of energy available.

00:27:56.100 And at a time when Europe was really focused on decarbonization, on getting away from coal

00:28:02.200 or even things like nuclear, which, you know, has a zero carbon footprint, but was still

00:28:06.600 worrisome to a lot of people.

00:28:07.900 Natural gas seemed like a really great transitional fuel.

00:28:10.760 But it also increased European dependence on natural gas.

00:28:13.760 It locked out other European manufacturers of the natural gas market or reduced the market

00:28:18.940 share that they would have been able to tap into.

00:28:20.600 You know, Norway has a mega natural gas company as well that would have been able to make

00:28:25.580 use of it.

00:28:26.700 So, and really, I think what people realized is that it is a tool of political leverage from

00:28:35.060 Putin in Europe.

00:28:36.720 And so that was where kind of the initial concerns about it.

00:28:38.940 But now the concerns are setting aside Putin's ability to influence Europe by controlling natural

00:28:45.760 gas flows.

00:28:47.500 Now that natural gas is gone, the pipeline does appear to be offline completely and permanently

00:28:54.760 so from some reports.

00:28:57.680 And the question now is what's next for Europe?

00:29:00.080 So what happened?

00:29:01.080 Why were people talking about this yesterday?

00:29:03.100 I saw that CNN reported that there were mysterious leaks and that CNBC said that sabotage is suspected

00:29:09.780 after unexplained leaks found on major Russian gas pipelines.

00:29:15.260 There's a lot of speculation on Twitter about who did what and how this happened.

00:29:22.200 So what is going on there?

00:29:24.700 There's a lot of game theory calculations.

00:29:27.400 If you're really looking at the flow of natural gas and what it means to the various stakeholders

00:29:31.560 involved, I can argue both sides of it because I'm of two minds.

00:29:37.100 There is one side that says that entities inside the EU, possibly even inside NATO, that are

00:29:45.000 very worried about and frankly sick of Russian control of European and transatlantic affairs 0.83

00:29:51.920 be in control of the natural gas flows into Europe.

00:29:56.380 They just took matters into their own hands and said, we're going to rip the Band-Aid off

00:29:59.740 and this pipeline is going to go and we will figure out what to do next.

00:30:04.200 But we have to break the dependence in a very kinetic way.

00:30:10.160 You've got some people that the Scandinavian countries, Poland, for example, have shown

00:30:14.800 little regard, increasingly so, for what Germany thinks.

00:30:17.960 And Germany, of course, is the one that's most dependent on these natural gas flows.

00:30:22.820 So it's going to be somebody that's probably not aligned with Germany's agenda, or at least

00:30:27.460 has said we're willing to ignore Germany as the largest economy in the EU and take our chances.

00:30:34.200 The other side of it is, and this is the side that a lot of other people have argued against,

00:30:38.340 is there's a compelling case that Russia could have done to themselves, but in such a way

00:30:43.560 that you would increase the infighting and tension and suffocation, if you will, of the

00:30:49.980 European economy by not having access to this natural gas at all, by forcing them to import

00:30:55.700 more supplies to bring in more from Norway, but that they weren't maybe ready to do that.

00:31:02.180 And that makes sense if you consider that for Russia, there is an economic offset on the

00:31:08.860 other side, the ability to push more natural gas, more energy product into China, into the

00:31:16.440 Central Asian nations, to buyers that would benefit from a sudden surplus of supplies that

00:31:23.700 was going to Europe that's now going the other way.

00:31:26.120 We don't know for sure that those buyers would have exist, that China and Russia maybe are

00:31:30.880 polluting, but both scenarios very much are within the realm of possibility here.

00:31:38.220 What we do know for sure is that it's offline and that Europe is kind of casting about wondering

00:31:43.660 what do we do next.

00:31:45.060 So what do you think about Biden in February saying there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2,

00:31:50.480 we will bring an end to it.

00:31:52.940 And then the reporter says, how will you do that exactly since the project and the control

00:31:56.880 of the project is within Germany's control?

00:31:59.240 And he says, I promise you we'll be able to do it.

00:32:03.480 And so some people are like, OK, that's a little ominous.

00:32:07.620 Did the U.S. somehow have a hand in this?

00:32:10.820 I've seen a lot of back and forth about that.

00:32:13.420 So I'm going to do what I always do when it comes to public statements from this particular

00:32:20.440 president and throw the entire salt shaker over my shoulder instead of just a couple

00:32:26.860 grains of salt.

00:32:27.720 You know, it's framing it that way certainly does make it seem like there could have been

00:32:32.800 a nefarious plot afoot.

00:32:34.560 Reports, you know, Der Spiegel, you know, ran an article recently that said, you know, the

00:32:39.960 CIA tried to warn German authorities and Nord Stream officials that there were several

00:32:45.180 weeks ago that there was a risk, imminent risk to the pipeline.

00:32:48.300 If such is the case, then then tipping our hand that way probably means that we were not

00:32:54.340 involved, even if we had some knowledge of it.

00:32:58.460 The benefit to the U.S., though, in that scenario, if the U.S. was in some way complicit with it,

00:33:04.180 is that the U.S. does have an abundance of natural gas.

00:33:06.380 It's easier for us to export it to Europe than to, so to speak, export it to ourselves

00:33:11.280 on liquid natural gas carriers because of the Jones Act.

00:33:14.740 So, yeah, American export of natural gas to Europe has been up and certainly will continue

00:33:19.760 to be because of this.

00:33:22.200 But for Biden saying, you know, we guarantee, my sense is that he was probably referring to

00:33:27.380 the way in which Trump was able to stymie or stop construction of Nord Stream 2, which

00:33:32.780 was a mix of giving and taking of incentives with regard to Germany and to NATO and to the

00:33:39.280 EU to compel them economically to stop construction of the project.

00:33:44.020 When you're talking about an actual attack, right, where you've got, you know, small boats

00:33:50.120 and you've got teams of divers that would be going down there, you've got submarines that

00:33:53.800 have the ability to attack infrastructure, you know, undetected until the attack's already

00:33:58.380 done, when you're talking about that level of state cooperation and support, I doubt

00:34:05.120 if we had any involvement that, you know, Biden, such as he is, would have tipped our hand

00:34:09.560 to it.

00:34:10.660 My sense is, is that he was referring to, you know, severe economic sanctions to stop

00:34:15.320 the project the same way Trump was in.

00:34:18.800 Which is also bad.

00:34:19.460 Which is also very bad.

00:34:20.500 Which is also bad.

00:34:21.940 And I know we don't have to get into all of this.

00:34:23.600 We talked about this recently with another guest about, about the assault on, um, on

00:34:30.040 nuclear energy, um, and also natural gas that it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense

00:34:35.980 even from, uh, uh, a climate change perspective, which again, kind of makes it seem like it is

00:34:43.820 more nefarious than actual, um, you know, any actual attempt to help the environment.

00:34:51.640 And so, I mean, I'm with you in that.

00:34:53.680 I don't know.

00:34:54.340 I have no idea.

00:34:55.360 U.S.

00:34:55.760 Involvement.

00:34:56.300 Of course, I hope that that's not true.

00:34:59.060 But the fact that the Biden administration could even possibly be cheering on any kind

00:35:03.660 of ending to this project is troubling to me.

00:35:05.740 Um, neither the pipeline, neither pipeline was delivering commercial gas at the time of

00:35:20.900 the leaks.

00:35:21.320 Yet both, given both lines were still pressured and each has the capacity to pipe around 165

00:35:26.520 million cubic meters of methane heavy gas per day.

00:35:29.300 Leaks of this size are a severe safety environmental hazard, especially should Russia not stop pumping

00:35:34.120 gas into the system.

00:35:35.520 Depending on the scale of the damage, the leaks could even mean a permanent closure of both

00:35:39.740 lines.

00:35:40.480 What would be the consequences of that for Europe?

00:35:44.360 Well, Europe would have to immediately replace that energy supply to the extent possible.

00:35:49.440 In Germany's case in particular, one very notable example, it's one I've talked publicly

00:35:54.720 about is BASF.

00:35:56.840 Uh, when Russia first invaded Ukraine, uh, the, the next move that came out of Germany 0.73

00:36:03.340 was a number of companies that are dependent on Russian natural gas, uh, saying this could

00:36:07.900 impact production of products X, Y, and Z.

00:36:10.780 Uh, in the case of an industry I'm very familiar with, vitamin production was, uh, severely impacted.

00:36:15.660 An immediate warning went out from BASF, uh, about shortages, uh, of materials that were

00:36:20.620 produced, uh, using natural gas as a key input.

00:36:23.980 And so that's been, you know, Germany and Europe's worries all along is, is, is, is

00:36:28.720 does restriction of natural gas, direct flows of Russian natural gas that come directly into

00:36:33.680 Germany?

00:36:34.200 Does it cripple some of their biggest and most companies, Mercedes-Benz as well, right?

00:36:38.140 So if there is a replacement or standby capacity of additional natural gas, whether it's imported

00:36:44.620 from the United States, whether it's the new pipeline that's running from Norway through

00:36:48.500 Denmark into Europe, uh, if they're able to kind of piecemeal things together long enough

00:36:52.760 to solve the energy riddle over the next 18 to 24 months, uh, then the impact to Europe

00:36:57.460 will actually be, uh, I hate to say this, but a net positive in this regard because it

00:37:02.400 fully decouples Europe from a country that has proven it is willing to manipulate energy 0.88

00:37:07.620 and human lives, uh, as a means of getting its way from on the global political scale.

00:37:12.580 It will also push Russia and China more closely together, uh, will, will cause, you know, firmly, 0.62

00:37:18.380 I guess, bifurcate, if you will, uh, the two global factions into, uh, sort of an anglospheric

00:37:24.360 European West, uh, and then the countries that are part of that.

00:37:28.220 And then, you know, what, uh, you know, Valina Chakarrova, who is a fantastic, uh, academic,

00:37:33.360 uh, and strategist in Europe, what she calls the dragon bear sphere of influence. 0.98

00:37:37.620 Which is a China, Russia led sphere of influence that others will define themselves by, and

00:37:42.460 particularly in Asia and Africa, uh, that I think is the most likely outcome of this as

00:37:47.200 we will probably see a unraveling of the current transatlantic order, uh, shuffling around where

00:37:54.380 the Baltic States and Poland, Scandinavian States, I think move more to the forefront.

00:37:59.420 You'll see Germany and France probably minimized a bit, uh, as a result of this.

00:38:03.560 And you will see, uh, Russia and China and those countries, uh, move more firmly in alignment

00:38:09.820 from a political and from a commodity and economics.

00:38:13.340 Yeah, I see what you're saying.

00:38:15.040 And that's something that Trump said a couple of years ago when he was kind of laughed at

00:38:18.960 when he said, look, it's not good that Germany is relying on a country like Russia, uh, for

00:38:24.740 their energy.

00:38:25.420 And everyone laughed at him in the room and said, that's ridiculous, but that's exactly

00:38:28.500 what's happened.

00:38:29.060 And that has partly caused this problem here.

00:38:31.980 So you're saying in the long run, by decoupling those two countries, that could be a good thing 1.00

00:38:37.900 for Germany because they never should have been relying on Russia in the first place.

00:38:41.960 And that bifurcation can actually be good, but there's going to be some suffering like

00:38:45.980 in the short term, right?

00:38:47.580 As they transition into other sources of energy, it just doesn't look like there's an easy way

00:38:52.180 to do that.

00:38:52.880 Well, humans are creatures of incentive, right?

00:38:56.180 And we respond to pain.

00:38:57.680 We respond to pleasure.

00:38:58.620 We respond to good things and bad things, but always in somewhat predictable ways.

00:39:03.760 And in this particular case, uh, you know, I think the report came out last night here

00:39:07.080 in the U S that Germany had come out this morning, their time and, and said, well, the

00:39:11.400 plain sunset of certain nuclear capacity, we're not going to, uh, proceed with that.

00:39:15.680 We're going to continue to use, uh, that nuclear capacity for, for an additional time.

00:39:20.620 Um, it really, the, the, the best thing about this, my view is that it is forcing maybe for

00:39:27.320 the first time for a lot of people, a real reckoning of what is the cost of ESG?

00:39:32.340 What is the cost of clean energy?

00:39:34.760 What are the trade-offs and the incentives or disincentives associated with it?

00:39:38.580 Because to this point, we've been able to kind of chug along in this fairy tale and, and

00:39:43.320 particularly in the European side to say that, yeah, we can transition to perfectly clean

00:39:46.880 energy and renewables, solar and wind and all these things.

00:39:51.560 And now they're, but, but they were able to do these things and to kind of lie about that

00:39:56.100 and the benefits of these things, because they always had enormous quantities of natural

00:40:00.400 gas and, and nuclear to, uh, to kind of hold up everything while they, while the transition

00:40:06.900 was slowly ongoing to better renewables.

00:40:08.860 The reckoning is here now, uh, if those pipelines are permanently off, Europe now has to face

00:40:14.880 a very stark, very realistic choice of, is it going to continue to pursue this, this ESG

00:40:20.200 agenda, this, this all clean, everything agenda, or is it going to have to kneel to reality a

00:40:24.740 little bit and admit that natural gas and nuclear must be a part of that transition for the indefinite

00:40:31.160 future?

00:40:31.540 Yeah.

00:40:32.440 And that's really going to make or break it.

00:40:34.200 Obviously the United States faces the same decision, um, in a, in a different way, but

00:40:40.780 with the same kind of consequences.

00:40:42.600 Well, thank you so much for especially bringing it to that last point, because man, that part,

00:40:48.060 the ESG, the denial of reality, uh, of reality when it comes to clean energy is connected to

00:40:53.940 so many other things in our political and cultural sphere.

00:40:57.700 So thank you so much for breaking that all down for us.

00:41:00.420 I really appreciate it.

00:41:02.120 Thank you.

00:41:02.700 Thank you.

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