Ep 686 ｜ Yes, COVID Vaccines Affect Breastmilk & Periods
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A new study shows that trace amounts of MRNAs from the COVID vaccine are now showing up in breast milk. Also, the Washington Post is finally reporting that the vaccine is affecting women s cycles after we heard for so long that this definitely was not happening. And the Nord Stream pipeline going from Russia to Europe is suffering from unexplained leaks that is affecting the continent. And so we are going to talk to one of our favorite guests about what exactly that means and what the consequences will be.
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A new study shows that trace amounts of mRNAs from the COVID vaccine is now showing up in breast milk.
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Also, the Washington Post is finally reporting that, yes, the COVID vaccine is affecting women's cycles
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after we heard for so long that this definitely was not happening.
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Also, the Nord Stream pipeline going from Russia to European countries is suffering from unexplained leaks that is affecting the continent.
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And so we are going to talk to one of our favorite guests about what exactly that means and what the consequences will be.
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Of course, this episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Before we get into the interview that we have for today, I wanted to make sure that I talked about this new revelation,
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this new study in the scientific community that says that trace amounts of the COVID vaccine,
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And now they are cautioning women who are breastfeeding babies under the age of six months,
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that if they get the vaccine, they should not breastfeed their babies for two days after that,
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You can just stop breastfeeding your baby for a couple of days.
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A new study published Monday revealed trace amounts of COVID vaccine mRNAs were found in the breast milk of some lactating women.
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The Journal of the American Medical Association, an international peer-reviewed general medical journal published since 1993,
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released the study to the public and has now issued a warning for women breastfeeding infants younger than six months.
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So just as an aside, don't worry, it's only babies under six months.
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So apparently something magical happens on the night that your baby goes from five months,
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30 days to six months that it's totally okay for your six-month-old baby to be taking in these trace amounts of this vaccine through your breast milk.
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Caution is warranted regarding breastfeeding infants younger than six months in the first two days after maternal COVID-19 vaccination.
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The Journal said in a tweet, that is just transphobic nonsense.
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Don't they know it's supposed to be chest feeding?
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Officials said that despite believing it is safe to breastfeed after maternal COVID vaccination,
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they did not test the possible cumulative vaccine mRNA exposure.
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In addition, the potential interference of COVID-19 vaccine mRNA with the immune response to multiple routine vaccines
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given to infants during the first six months of age needs to be considered.
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The study reads, it is critical that lactating individuals.
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It is critical that lactating individuals be included in future vaccination trials
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to better evaluate the effect of mRNA vaccines on lactation outcomes.
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The U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the FDA, held off on approving vaccinating infants younger than six months
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until more data on how it could impact their immune system became available.
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So this study came out on Monday saying, oh, shoot, actually, actually, we've got amounts of the vaccine
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that are getting through breast milk probably, probably shouldn't get through to babies that are under six months.
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Now, this is after mothers who have been breastfeeding their babies who are under six months old
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have been told for many months now that it's perfectly safe.
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There is no evidence that this is going to harm you or harm your baby in any way.
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In fact, we were told explicitly that the vaccine could not cause any damage
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or was not passing through in any detrimental way to babies who are being breastfed.
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And yet, if you look at the CDC website that is up right now, that was last updated July 14th, 2022.
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It says this COVID-19 vaccination is recommended for all people six months and older.
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This includes people who are pregnant, people who are pregnant.
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Breastfeeding, trying to get pregnant now or might become pregnant in the future.
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CDC also recommends COVID-19 vaccines for infants six months and older.
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It's W-H-O-S-E when you're talking about possessive, not apostrophe S.
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And an older whose mother, mother, so inconsistent here.
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I can't even get through this without talking about like the inconsistency.
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Whose mother was vaccinated or had a COVID infection before or while pregnant.
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So if you are pregnant or were recently pregnant, the CDC site says you are more likely to get
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very sick from COVID-19 compared to people who are not pregnant.
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Additionally, if you have COVID-19 during pregnancy, you are at increased risk of complications that
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And so, of course, of course, a lot of people are going to be pressured into this.
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Of course, a lot of people are going to be shamed and told that you're not a good mother.
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You're not taking care of your baby if you don't get this COVID-19 vaccine while you are
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Getting a COVID-19 vaccine, the CDC site says now, can help protect you from getting very
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There's no point here that says, hey, you know what?
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We just don't know enough yet to say that this is perfectly safe for breastfeeding moms.
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We don't have enough evidence quite yet to say that this is going to be healthy for women
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who are pregnant and they're developing babies.
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I'm not mad that things change based on more data, based on more studying.
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And of course, people are going to make errors or we're just not going to have enough information
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to draw certain conclusions at certain points, but maybe a little bit of humility at some
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point by the scientific and medical community or most people or a lot of people in it, including
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Anthony Fauci, would have really gone a long way from the CDC, from the NIH to just say,
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you know what, maybe we shouldn't be threatening to take away people's livelihoods when it comes
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to this vaccine, especially when it comes to mothers, because we just don't know enough
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yet to be mandating this and to be shaming people into this.
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And maybe we shouldn't be encouraging OBGYNs and nurses to pressure these women into getting
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this vaccine because we just don't quite have the data yet.
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I'm not asking that scientists and that doctors get everything right the first time.
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I'm not even asking that of someone with as much responsibility and as much impact on
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I'm just asking for a little humility, a little bit of admission in the beginning that we're
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still looking at this and it is perfectly logical for people, but especially mothers who
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are pregnant or breastfeeding to say, you know what, I'd like a little bit more information
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And for doctors and for scientists and for people in the media, for friends to take a
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If we look at the statistics surrounding the seriousness of COVID and the lack of data in
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a lot of ways that we have on the vaccine, especially when it comes to certain populations,
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that actually makes a lot of logical and rational sense for you, mom, to take a step back and
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People quit their jobs so they wouldn't be forced to take this vaccine.
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I know women who did not want to get the vaccine, but they were postpartum, very vulnerable,
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emotional state or they were pregnant and they were told by their doctor, if you don't get
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But if you do get this postpartum mom still in the hospital being stitched up, then you will
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They didn't want to, but they felt like they were manipulated and they did.
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And now we're told that maybe it actually is a little bit harmful.
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And it doesn't say in this particular study that the vaccine is harmful for developing
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It doesn't say in particular that it's harmful for pregnant women.
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But I think we can use like a little bit of deductive reasoning again.
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There's at least enough information now to take a step back for someone to have just a
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little bit of freaking humility and say, ooh, maybe we don't know.
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Maybe we should look at this a little bit harder.
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Maybe we should wait just a little bit before saying that pregnant women should be taking this.
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Reuters in July, July of 2021 published this very confidently.
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No traces of mRNA vaccines end up in mothers' breast milk.
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A small study suggests the COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer and Moderna deliver a synthetic version of
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messenger RNA molecules designed to instruct cells to build replicas of the coronavirus spike protein.
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While these beneficial antibodies may pass from mothers to infants via breast milk, isn't that great?
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The milk does not contain the mRNA itself, dummy.
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Researchers found in their analyses of 13 breast milk samples from seven vaccinated women.
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The World Health Organization recommends that breastfeeding mothers be vaccinated against COVID-19
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and does not advise stopping breastfeeding afterwards.
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Thank you so much, scientific community, for your confidence.
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Thankfully, when I was pregnant last time, my youngest was born in April of 2021.
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And if you'll remember, that was like right at the height of pressure to get the vaccine.
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Thankfully, my providers did not pressure me to get it.
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But there was, I mean, there was pressure in the hospital.
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There was just pressure in general to get the vaccine.
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And again, like your quality of motherhood in many of these cases is being judged based
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Both when I was pregnant and when I was postpartum, I still am not.
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I don't know if I've ever said that like completely explicitly, but I'm not.
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But we got over it and I never felt comfortable with it.
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I always wanted more data, especially though, while I was pregnant and breastfeeding.
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And so I feel, I mean, I'm sad, but I do feel a little bit vindicated.
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I do feel like, okay, I'm really glad that I went with that.
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And I'll be honest, like there were moments while I was pregnant last time, 2020, 2021,
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where I thought, you know, maybe I should just get it.
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Like, I don't, if this really is that much more dangerous and deadly for pregnant women,
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Now, I know that there are many of you out there who did.
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What I am mad about and what I don't expect to get any apology for, either to me or to
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all of the other people who, who bore the brunt of this is the gaslighting and the manipulation
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and the bullying and the pressure to get something that we did not want to get.
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And we knew at that time that we really didn't need it.
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I'm not saying that no one needs it or no one should get it.
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But again, all I'm asking for is like a little bit of humility that trust the science is a
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So when Dr. Fauci says people who deny me or people who question me are actually denying
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science or questioning science, that is someone who has a God complex.
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I think that's true of a lot of people at the CDC, a lot of people at the NIH, a lot of people
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in the media, a lot of people in our medical industrial complex, a lot of people at these
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And they just couldn't bear to say, we don't quite know yet.
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And who knows, honestly, the damage that that might have done.
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Like, is there, are there going to be reparations to the babies that may have suffered from this,
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whose moms thought that they were taking good advice from their doctor and, and Dr. Fauci,
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and maybe now their baby is harmed in some way, probably in ways that we will never fully know.
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Because remember, the people, what's really, it breaks down to people on the left, but it's
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people who followed the mainstream progressive position at the first, whether it was lockdowns
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or whether it's, you know, mandating vaccines or whatever it was, like they will never be held
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accountable for the consequences of their lives.
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They are always going to be remembered, at least by the mainstream media, for their valiant
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It doesn't matter that in Michigan and in New York and in California, that the rate of death
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was the same as a lot of the red states that never locked down.
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And apparently that was the compassionate position.
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The people who make decisions in our country are never held accountable and never have
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to endure the consequences of the decisions that they make.
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No, those consequences rest on people like you and me.
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There is another aspect of this that I want to talk about briefly.
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It was published yesterday in The Washington Post.
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And again, this is another example of COVID gaslighting, especially when it comes to women
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that a lot of people are going to feel vindicated about.
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Some people might feel regretful about their choice based on this.
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Because I seem to remember listening to a podcast that someone recommended to me by these two
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doctors and scientists, these lovers of objective truth, that said, that doesn't even make
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It doesn't even make any sense that somehow the vaccine would affect a woman's cycle.
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Because the components of the vaccine do this and are this and a woman's cycle does this
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and they are not dependent on one another at all.
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I mean, it's probably just because of the stress that people are in or if you've gotten
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COVID and other people, though, did acknowledge, I will say there are people left, right, whatever,
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who did say, OK, any kind of vaccine, any kind of like shock to the system has the potential
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But they would say it doesn't affect fertility.
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I just think that we would be a whole lot better off if more people and more people in
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And also, just remember this as just a rule of thumb saying there is no evidence for is
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not the same thing as saying something's not true or something's not real.
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Just because something doesn't have evidence yet because it hasn't been studied doesn't
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mean that it's not true or that there won't be data supporting that one day.
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So let me read you a little bit from this Washington Post, this Washington Post story.
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Not long after the rollout of the coronavirus vaccine last year, women began posting on
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social media about what they believed was a side effect, a side effect changes to their
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Now, I will say that my friend, Gabriel Finocchio, he posted messages of women.
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I think it was sometime last year or maybe it was the beginning of this year.
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He posted messages from women who said this, who said, yeah, my cycle changed after getting
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But he was kicked off Instagram for sharing women's stories about this because that was
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I think I've heard it say heard it said before, and I don't remember who said it, like the
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difference between the right a right wing conspiracy theory and the truth is six months, something
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What starts out is this crazy conspiracy theory that like maybe COVID didn't come from pangolins
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and like a wet market in China ends up being confirmed.
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Washington Post shows that getting vaccinated against COVID can change the timing of the
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Study was conducted for the National Institutes of Health.
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Vaccinated women experienced on average about a one day delay in getting their periods
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compared with those who hadn't been vaccinated.
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Data was taken from a popular period tracking app called Natural Cycles.
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Researchers analyzed three menstrual cycles before the vaccine and at least one after and
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compared with four cycles in the unvaccinated group.
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People who received two vaccinations within one menstrual cycle experienced greater disruptions.
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13% experiencing a delay of eight days or more.
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Allison Edelman, professor of obstetrics and gynecology at Oregon Health and Sciences, who
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led the study said the effects were mostly temporary, only lasting one cycle before returning to normal.
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No indications from this study that there was any impact on fertility.
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Yes, because, again, that's not what this study actually studied.
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Researchers don't know exactly why the vaccine seemed to affect menstrual cycles.
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But Edelman said that the immune and reproductive systems are linked.
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OK, and that inflammation or a strong immune response could trigger menstrual fluctuation.
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OK, so maybe it's no big deal that I'm totally open to that possibility.
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Maybe it is just that it's causing inflammation.
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And as your body is adjusting to that inflammation, just like the just like your body adjusts to
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inflammation that comes from other causes, your cycle is just temporarily disrupted.
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Everything goes back to normal and it's all good.
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And maybe for some people, for some women, it is still worth it to get vaccinated.
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But knowing what we know again, again, like wouldn't the better position to be all right.
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Some women don't want a disruption of their cycle because we do not know yet how this could
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affect other parts of their reproductive system.
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If it is affecting your cycle, if it is affecting in some ways your reproductive health, isn't
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it just logical to say that maybe there is a possibility, even if it's a tiny possibility,
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And if that possibility is out there, because we know that there is an effect on the menstrual
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cycle by these vaccines, we should not be pressuring women to get it who don't want to get it.
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No more doctors pressuring, no more politicians pressuring.
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Like, you will remember that the president of the United States said that companies with
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100 employees or more must force their employees to get this vaccine or those companies will face
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That means women in their childbearing years, the president of the United States wanted to
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make sure that you were forced, if you worked for one of these companies, to get this vaccine
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that we now know has an effect on breastfeeding, comes through the milk, and we now know has
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So, again, let's just take a step back, have a little bit of humility, and just say, we don't
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The study also found that breakthrough bleeding, so I'm guessing this is probably defined as like
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Breakthrough bleeding was reported by 39% of women on gender-affirming hormones.
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So these are actual women trying to be a man, very confused about this language.
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So 39% of those women found that they had breakthrough bleeding.
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71% of women on long-lasting or reversible contraceptives, so like a birth control pill or something,
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They had breakthrough bleeding, so they're not supposed to be bleeding.
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66% of post-menopausal women, so that's women who were supposed to have stopped having a period
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I am very thankful for so many of the developments that technology and science and medicine have
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I mean, it's really incredible how many lives that has saved.
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But when you replace God with science and say that we must trust the science, we must follow
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the science, we must do what the scientists say no matter what, or else you're going to be
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punished by the government, or else you're going to be excluded from society.
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You're going to be unable to basically provide for yourself or your family or engage in your
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That's going to lead to some really, really scary repercussions for people.
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Especially that now we know that there is potentially a lot more harm that is being done
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by these vaccines than we originally were told.
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Don't just trust the science just because someone tells you to.
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And those who did are feeling a little bit vindicated right now.
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And again, if you did get this vaccine, I'm not trying to guilt you.
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I'm not trying to make you feel bad about that.
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I'm just saying that, again, we should all, especially those who tried to use this to kind
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of hammer people over the head, have some humility and ask some questions the next time
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one of these so-called solutions comes around for a so-called emergency.
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And now we are going to move into our conversation.
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But first, let me tell you about our next sponsor.
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You're great at explaining the complexities of everything that is happening.
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Is this different than Nordstrom, the department store?
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I've probably never been in a Nord Stream in my life.
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So the first Nord Stream opened up a little over 10 years ago.
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And the idea is that it would, so Gazprom, the Russian energy giant, was a big part of
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And you had a couple of European entities as well.
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And it essentially connects natural gas flows from Russia into Northern Europe for consumption.
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And then about six years ago, they wanted to start building Nord Stream 2, which would
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double the throughput of natural gas from Russia into Europe.
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And so, of course, a lot of companies that depend on natural gas, it's fertilizer manufacturers,
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You know, anything that basically utilizes natural gas as energy feedstock or as a raw material
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in the production the way nitrogen fertilizer does, would have been really dependent on that.
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It was the cheapest and most abundant source of energy available.
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And at a time when Europe was really focused on decarbonization, on getting away from coal
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or even things like nuclear, which, you know, has a zero carbon footprint, but was still
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Natural gas seemed like a really great transitional fuel.
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But it also increased European dependence on natural gas.
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It locked out other European manufacturers of the natural gas market or reduced the market
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share that they would have been able to tap into.
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You know, Norway has a mega natural gas company as well that would have been able to make
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So, and really, I think what people realized is that it is a tool of political leverage from
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And so that was where kind of the initial concerns about it.
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But now the concerns are setting aside Putin's ability to influence Europe by controlling natural
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Now that natural gas is gone, the pipeline does appear to be offline completely and permanently
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And the question now is what's next for Europe?
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I saw that CNN reported that there were mysterious leaks and that CNBC said that sabotage is suspected
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after unexplained leaks found on major Russian gas pipelines.
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There's a lot of speculation on Twitter about who did what and how this happened.
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If you're really looking at the flow of natural gas and what it means to the various stakeholders
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involved, I can argue both sides of it because I'm of two minds.
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There is one side that says that entities inside the EU, possibly even inside NATO, that are
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very worried about and frankly sick of Russian control of European and transatlantic affairs
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be in control of the natural gas flows into Europe.
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They just took matters into their own hands and said, we're going to rip the Band-Aid off
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and this pipeline is going to go and we will figure out what to do next.
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But we have to break the dependence in a very kinetic way.
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You've got some people that the Scandinavian countries, Poland, for example, have shown
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little regard, increasingly so, for what Germany thinks.
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And Germany, of course, is the one that's most dependent on these natural gas flows.
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So it's going to be somebody that's probably not aligned with Germany's agenda, or at least
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has said we're willing to ignore Germany as the largest economy in the EU and take our chances.
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The other side of it is, and this is the side that a lot of other people have argued against,
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is there's a compelling case that Russia could have done to themselves, but in such a way
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that you would increase the infighting and tension and suffocation, if you will, of the
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European economy by not having access to this natural gas at all, by forcing them to import
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more supplies to bring in more from Norway, but that they weren't maybe ready to do that.
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And that makes sense if you consider that for Russia, there is an economic offset on the
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other side, the ability to push more natural gas, more energy product into China, into the
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Central Asian nations, to buyers that would benefit from a sudden surplus of supplies that
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was going to Europe that's now going the other way.
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We don't know for sure that those buyers would have exist, that China and Russia maybe are
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polluting, but both scenarios very much are within the realm of possibility here.
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What we do know for sure is that it's offline and that Europe is kind of casting about wondering
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So what do you think about Biden in February saying there will no longer be a Nord Stream 2,
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And then the reporter says, how will you do that exactly since the project and the control
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And he says, I promise you we'll be able to do it.
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And so some people are like, OK, that's a little ominous.
00:32:13.420
So I'm going to do what I always do when it comes to public statements from this particular
00:32:20.440
president and throw the entire salt shaker over my shoulder instead of just a couple
00:32:27.720
You know, it's framing it that way certainly does make it seem like there could have been
00:32:34.560
Reports, you know, Der Spiegel, you know, ran an article recently that said, you know, the
00:32:39.960
CIA tried to warn German authorities and Nord Stream officials that there were several
00:32:45.180
weeks ago that there was a risk, imminent risk to the pipeline.
00:32:48.300
If such is the case, then then tipping our hand that way probably means that we were not
00:32:58.460
The benefit to the U.S., though, in that scenario, if the U.S. was in some way complicit with it,
00:33:04.180
is that the U.S. does have an abundance of natural gas.
00:33:06.380
It's easier for us to export it to Europe than to, so to speak, export it to ourselves
00:33:11.280
on liquid natural gas carriers because of the Jones Act.
00:33:14.740
So, yeah, American export of natural gas to Europe has been up and certainly will continue
00:33:22.200
But for Biden saying, you know, we guarantee, my sense is that he was probably referring to
00:33:27.380
the way in which Trump was able to stymie or stop construction of Nord Stream 2, which
00:33:32.780
was a mix of giving and taking of incentives with regard to Germany and to NATO and to the
00:33:39.280
EU to compel them economically to stop construction of the project.
00:33:44.020
When you're talking about an actual attack, right, where you've got, you know, small boats
00:33:50.120
and you've got teams of divers that would be going down there, you've got submarines that
00:33:53.800
have the ability to attack infrastructure, you know, undetected until the attack's already
00:33:58.380
done, when you're talking about that level of state cooperation and support, I doubt
00:34:05.120
if we had any involvement that, you know, Biden, such as he is, would have tipped our hand
00:34:10.660
My sense is, is that he was referring to, you know, severe economic sanctions to stop
00:34:21.940
And I know we don't have to get into all of this.
00:34:23.600
We talked about this recently with another guest about, about the assault on, um, on
00:34:30.040
nuclear energy, um, and also natural gas that it really doesn't make a whole lot of sense
00:34:35.980
even from, uh, uh, a climate change perspective, which again, kind of makes it seem like it is
00:34:43.820
more nefarious than actual, um, you know, any actual attempt to help the environment.
00:34:59.060
But the fact that the Biden administration could even possibly be cheering on any kind
00:35:05.740
Um, neither the pipeline, neither pipeline was delivering commercial gas at the time of
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Yet both, given both lines were still pressured and each has the capacity to pipe around 165
00:35:26.520
million cubic meters of methane heavy gas per day.
00:35:29.300
Leaks of this size are a severe safety environmental hazard, especially should Russia not stop pumping
00:35:35.520
Depending on the scale of the damage, the leaks could even mean a permanent closure of both
00:35:40.480
What would be the consequences of that for Europe?
00:35:44.360
Well, Europe would have to immediately replace that energy supply to the extent possible.
00:35:49.440
In Germany's case in particular, one very notable example, it's one I've talked publicly
00:35:56.840
Uh, when Russia first invaded Ukraine, uh, the, the next move that came out of Germany
00:36:03.340
was a number of companies that are dependent on Russian natural gas, uh, saying this could
00:36:10.780
Uh, in the case of an industry I'm very familiar with, vitamin production was, uh, severely impacted.
00:36:15.660
An immediate warning went out from BASF, uh, about shortages, uh, of materials that were
00:36:20.620
produced, uh, using natural gas as a key input.
00:36:23.980
And so that's been, you know, Germany and Europe's worries all along is, is, is, is
00:36:28.720
does restriction of natural gas, direct flows of Russian natural gas that come directly into
00:36:34.200
Does it cripple some of their biggest and most companies, Mercedes-Benz as well, right?
00:36:38.140
So if there is a replacement or standby capacity of additional natural gas, whether it's imported
00:36:44.620
from the United States, whether it's the new pipeline that's running from Norway through
00:36:48.500
Denmark into Europe, uh, if they're able to kind of piecemeal things together long enough
00:36:52.760
to solve the energy riddle over the next 18 to 24 months, uh, then the impact to Europe
00:36:57.460
will actually be, uh, I hate to say this, but a net positive in this regard because it
00:37:02.400
fully decouples Europe from a country that has proven it is willing to manipulate energy
00:37:07.620
and human lives, uh, as a means of getting its way from on the global political scale.
00:37:12.580
It will also push Russia and China more closely together, uh, will, will cause, you know, firmly,
00:37:18.380
I guess, bifurcate, if you will, uh, the two global factions into, uh, sort of an anglospheric
00:37:24.360
European West, uh, and then the countries that are part of that.
00:37:28.220
And then, you know, what, uh, you know, Valina Chakarrova, who is a fantastic, uh, academic,
00:37:33.360
uh, and strategist in Europe, what she calls the dragon bear sphere of influence.
00:37:37.620
Which is a China, Russia led sphere of influence that others will define themselves by, and
00:37:42.460
particularly in Asia and Africa, uh, that I think is the most likely outcome of this as
00:37:47.200
we will probably see a unraveling of the current transatlantic order, uh, shuffling around where
00:37:54.380
the Baltic States and Poland, Scandinavian States, I think move more to the forefront.
00:37:59.420
You'll see Germany and France probably minimized a bit, uh, as a result of this.
00:38:03.560
And you will see, uh, Russia and China and those countries, uh, move more firmly in alignment
00:38:09.820
from a political and from a commodity and economics.
00:38:15.040
And that's something that Trump said a couple of years ago when he was kind of laughed at
00:38:18.960
when he said, look, it's not good that Germany is relying on a country like Russia, uh, for
00:38:25.420
And everyone laughed at him in the room and said, that's ridiculous, but that's exactly
00:38:31.980
So you're saying in the long run, by decoupling those two countries, that could be a good thing
00:38:37.900
for Germany because they never should have been relying on Russia in the first place.
00:38:41.960
And that bifurcation can actually be good, but there's going to be some suffering like
00:38:47.580
As they transition into other sources of energy, it just doesn't look like there's an easy way
00:38:52.880
Well, humans are creatures of incentive, right?
00:38:58.620
We respond to good things and bad things, but always in somewhat predictable ways.
00:39:03.760
And in this particular case, uh, you know, I think the report came out last night here
00:39:07.080
in the U S that Germany had come out this morning, their time and, and said, well, the
00:39:11.400
plain sunset of certain nuclear capacity, we're not going to, uh, proceed with that.
00:39:15.680
We're going to continue to use, uh, that nuclear capacity for, for an additional time.
00:39:20.620
Um, it really, the, the, the best thing about this, my view is that it is forcing maybe for
00:39:27.320
the first time for a lot of people, a real reckoning of what is the cost of ESG?
00:39:34.760
What are the trade-offs and the incentives or disincentives associated with it?
00:39:38.580
Because to this point, we've been able to kind of chug along in this fairy tale and, and
00:39:43.320
particularly in the European side to say that, yeah, we can transition to perfectly clean
00:39:46.880
energy and renewables, solar and wind and all these things.
00:39:51.560
And now they're, but, but they were able to do these things and to kind of lie about that
00:39:56.100
and the benefits of these things, because they always had enormous quantities of natural
00:40:00.400
gas and, and nuclear to, uh, to kind of hold up everything while they, while the transition
00:40:08.860
The reckoning is here now, uh, if those pipelines are permanently off, Europe now has to face
00:40:14.880
a very stark, very realistic choice of, is it going to continue to pursue this, this ESG
00:40:20.200
agenda, this, this all clean, everything agenda, or is it going to have to kneel to reality a
00:40:24.740
little bit and admit that natural gas and nuclear must be a part of that transition for the indefinite
00:40:34.200
Obviously the United States faces the same decision, um, in a, in a different way, but
00:40:42.600
Well, thank you so much for especially bringing it to that last point, because man, that part,
00:40:48.060
the ESG, the denial of reality, uh, of reality when it comes to clean energy is connected to
00:40:53.940
so many other things in our political and cultural sphere.
00:40:57.700
So thank you so much for breaking that all down for us.