Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 690 ｜ Should Christians Vote for Herschel Walker？

00:00:00.000 Tulsi Gabbard is no longer a Democrat, calling her former party a cabal of warmongers guilty

00:00:06.200 of anti-white racism. Herschel Walker, Republican pro-life Senate candidate in Georgia, allegedly

00:00:12.740 paid for an abortion a few years ago, and his son sure had a lot to say about it. Another male 0.98

00:00:19.220 celebrity poses on a hospital bed with his surrogacy baby, and you guys know I have a lot

00:00:24.200 to say about that. And female athletes in Connecticut are fighting back against attempts 1.00

00:00:29.100 to erase women's sports. Wow, we have so much to talk about today. This episode is brought to you

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00:00:48.180 All right, guys, I hope that everyone is having a wonderful week. If you haven't listened to

00:00:53.280 yesterday's episode about Kanye West, Columbus Day, and John MacArthur's rebuke of Gavin Newsom,

00:00:58.760 you should go check that out. I feel like I'm still catching up because I was out last week

00:01:03.280 with laryngitis, and so I've had so much to talk about. As I mentioned yesterday, the document that

00:01:08.160 I had for the show that has been building over the past week or so was 87 pages. I think we only got

00:01:14.280 to, I don't know, maybe four of those pages because there's just so much in every story. And today is the

00:01:21.180 same way. I won't get through 87 pages, but there are a few stories that I just wanted to make sure

00:01:26.640 that I talked about. So let me start with Tulsi Gabbard, since that is the most recent news story

00:01:35.720 this happened. I believe it was yesterday that she put out a video saying that she is leaving

00:01:42.600 the Democratic Party. Now, if you watch Tucker Carlson's show last night, he went through a whole

00:01:48.400 montage of liberal media saying how much they love Tulsi Gabbard and how she is an up-and-coming member

00:01:56.400 of the Democratic Party. They put her in leadership right away at the Democratic National Convention,

00:02:01.800 and she was seen as a rising star, as the future of the Democratic Party. She's a Democrat who hails

00:02:10.140 from Hawaii. She has been a member of the House of Reps for several years now. She was a Democratic

00:02:17.640 primary presidential candidate in 2020. But in the past couple of years, she has bucked a lot of Democrat 1.00

00:02:25.820 talking points, and she has earned a fan base in the Republican Party, or at least on the, I don't

00:02:32.420 know if you would describe it as maybe the populist nationalist right. Certainly, she's been on Tucker

00:02:38.040 Carlson's show several times. He has commended her for her courage and at least being heterodox

00:02:43.540 in her views. I have no doubt that she's still liberal in a lot of ways, but she bucked the war machine 1.00

00:02:50.920 that is really kind of the uniparty in Washington of establishment Republicans and establishment Democrats

00:02:56.680 who are always vying to get America into some kind of a foreign conflict. And in her video, she outlined

00:03:05.760 a lot of other things that she also disagrees with, with the party that she has been in, a member of, for

00:03:12.720 a long time now. So let me play you a little clip of the video that she released on Twitter.

00:03:17.540 I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party that's under the complete control of an elitist cabal

00:03:24.500 of warmongers who are hostile to people of faith and spirituality, who demonize the police but protect

00:03:32.040 criminals at the expense of law-abiding Americans, and above all, who are dragging us ever closer

00:03:38.560 to nuclear war. So she says, I can no longer remain in today's Democratic Party. It's now under complete

00:03:44.420 control of an elitist cabal of warmongers driven by cowardly wokeness who divide us by racializing every issue 1.00

00:03:51.700 and stoking anti-white racism. Now, that's a phrase that you're not allowed to say. You're not allowed to say 0.98

00:03:58.260 that white people can be discriminated against or that there can be racial prejudice against white people

00:04:03.380 or that it's tolerated to say awful things about white people and white communities and blame white people

00:04:10.380 for the sins of people who lived in the same general geographical region hundreds of years ago who happened

00:04:17.220 to share their melanin count. That is supposed to all be on the table. You're not supposed to mention that.

00:04:22.760 And yet she does. She says anti-white racism. That is a forbidden phrase. And so, of course, as you can imagine,

00:04:30.360 just as we talked about yesterday with Kanye and Candace wearing their White Lives Matter shirts,

00:04:36.000 people freaked out about this. You're not allowed to talk about white people getting the short end of

00:04:43.140 the stick in some ways, which, by the way, in some ways they absolutely are. And they do bear the brunt 0.92

00:04:48.640 of a lot of prejudice and acceptable hatred. And I commend Tulsi Gabbard for being willing to call that

00:04:55.860 out. She also says that they demonize the police who protect criminals at the expense of law-abiding

00:05:01.400 Americans. Absolutely true. Look at the trajectory of every progressive city in the United States.

00:05:07.660 You can't say that any of these cities have gotten better or safer or more prosperous or that they've

00:05:13.060 dealt with any of the problems that progressive social justice policies say that they are going to

00:05:18.160 deal with, like homelessness, like poverty, like so-called inequality. They actually just exacerbate the

00:05:23.520 issues by incentivizing bad behavior through their stupid policies in the name of equity. And it's just 0.99

00:05:29.380 beyond me that anyone, every time I see a sign for a Democrat politician, and like I live in a pretty

00:05:38.280 conservative area, I'm like, how do you not look at every single city in town that has been run by

00:05:44.240 Democrats and that it's gotten worse, that it's gotten less safe, that it's gotten more unequal if

00:05:50.340 you're looking at the incomes and the opportunities for people of different socioeconomic backgrounds.

00:05:55.260 Like how can you not see that things get worse always under Democrat leadership? That's not to say

00:06:01.320 Republicans are perfect leaders by any means. They're spineless in a lot of ways, and I wish that

00:06:05.620 they would do more. But Democrats, they bring destruction every time they are in charge. Their policies sound

00:06:14.080 good and sound like they have good intentions, always with bad consequences, because that's what social

00:06:19.940 justice does. It kills and it destroys. That's what so-called criminal justice does. So-called racial

00:06:26.660 justice is a farce that we talked all about yesterday. None of these things with adjectives in front of

00:06:32.680 justice are actually just, and that is why these cities are destroyed. And that is why there is a flight

00:06:40.320 from these cities and from these states. That's why Gavin Newsom has to put up stupid billboards, 1.00

00:06:46.760 evil billboards in red states, asking people to come back to California because he's going to allow 1.00

00:06:52.040 them to kill their babies. And he's also going to create a sanctuary state, which he already has now 0.96

00:06:57.500 for the state of California for minors who want to chop off their genitals without parental consent. 0.86

00:07:02.440 That's the state of California. And he somehow thinks that this is going to get the people 0.86

00:07:06.600 who fled from California to come back. It's absolutely desperate. How do you not look

00:07:11.960 at the consequences of democratic policy and see, wow, that doesn't work? Even if you agree

00:07:17.400 with them socially, even if you hate Republicans, even if you have bought the lie that conservatism 0.64

00:07:22.500 is evil and unempathetic and that this is a semi-fascist party that is leading towards the

00:07:27.660 death of democracy. And even if you're scared of this crazy boogeyman called Christian nationalism, 1.00

00:07:32.820 even though progressivism dominates every single institution in this country, even if you buy all of 0.75

00:07:38.620 those myths. Like even if you have been totally brainwashed in that way, can you not just open

00:07:43.700 your eyes and see what LA looks like and Denver and Austin and Portland and Seattle and New York

00:07:50.420 City and Philadelphia and Washington, DC? Need I say more? So Tulsi Gabbard, as far as I'm concerned,

00:07:57.800 is just someone who has eyes. It's just someone who has ears, who has understanding of reality

00:08:03.900 and is able to see, even though she has been associated with this party for a very long time

00:08:08.520 and I'm sure was promised a lot of power and a lot of prominence, is able to see, oh, the leadership in

00:08:14.680 my party, the ideology now of my party, the agenda of my party is not working for the American people

00:08:19.720 and it's actually destroying. She talks about open borders. She talks about the national security

00:08:24.380 state. I mean, she's right in line with where a lot of conservatives are. Again, 0.93

00:08:32.540 I would say conservative, populist, kind of nationalist, conservative czar that has really

00:08:39.800 grown, I think, as a group and as a movement over the past couple of years. And so she has gotten

00:08:45.760 a round of applause by conservatives and I think understandably so.

00:08:50.860 All right. So as I said, Tulsi Gabbard has been praised by a lot of conservatives, but

00:09:07.500 very predictably, she is being lambasted or has been lambasted for a long time by people on the left.

00:09:14.200 Some of the very people that praised her and said that she was this up and coming star in the Democratic

00:09:18.380 Party when she seemed to align with all of the mainstream views of the Democratic Party are now

00:09:24.500 turning around and have turned around for the past couple of years and said, oh, she's dangerous. 0.99

00:09:29.300 I mean, when she went after Kamala Harris in the primary and Kamala Harris kind of was like,

00:09:34.820 I'm a top tier candidate. I'm a top tier candidate. And Tulsi Gabbard is just trying to come after me 1.00

00:09:40.660 for clout. She said something ridiculous like that. Didn't Kamala like not even win in the primary, 1.00

00:09:46.860 the state of California. Wasn't that what happened? If my memory serves and somehow she became the

00:09:53.260 vice president, like she was so disliked and unwanted as a presidential candidate for some 1.00

00:09:59.220 reason. Joe Biden, I guess, is a diversity hire, decided to get VP Harris. And she's just turned out

00:10:07.260 to be an absolute disaster. She can't even really complete a full sentence without cackling about 0.99

00:10:11.760 things that aren't funny. She's a very strange person. Anyway, so, you know, she attacks Tulsi

00:10:17.800 Gabbard. You got Hillary Clinton calling Tulsi Gabbard a Russian agent. That's their thing. That's 1.00

00:10:24.020 what, you know, Democrats do. You are a Nazi, a fascist, a Russian agent, a secret white supremacist, 1.00

00:10:31.420 all of these things. If you simply say something along the lines of, you know, I actually don't think 0.99

00:10:36.620 Ukraine is worth a nuclear war. Most people didn't even know where Ukraine was on a map a few months 0.99

00:10:42.400 ago. This is, Ukraine is not a democracy. They are an extremely corrupt country. They are not a part of

00:10:52.940 NATO. And so when someone says, hey, this could, us getting involved in this conflict could possibly

00:10:59.280 lead to nuclear war and the loss of millions and millions of lives. When someone says that,

00:11:07.200 that apparently makes them a Russian agent. You saw how mad people were about Elon Musk when he said,

00:11:13.580 hey, you know, here's my proposal of a deal that Russia and Ukraine could work out to kind of

00:11:19.520 bring this to peace and to kind of figure all of this out. And he was absolutely lambasted,

00:11:24.980 even by Lindsey Graham said Elon should stick to what he knows something and then then threatened

00:11:31.060 to like take away some kind of some kind of privilege from his company. If he didn't stay

00:11:39.860 quiet on Twitter, I just am trying to recall what Lindsey Graham's thread actually said. So very

00:11:45.340 strange, like you're not allowed to question the prospect of nuclear war. You're not allowed to

00:11:50.260 question why America is sending billions and billions and billions of dollars to the country

00:11:55.760 of Ukraine while we can't even take care of the issues that we have. Like you're not allowed to 1.00

00:12:00.820 question why our government cares more about the borders of Ukraine than it does our own borders.

00:12:06.500 You're not allowed to question that without being called a Russian agent. That seems pretty bizarre to

00:12:12.120 me. Seems pretty nefarious, quite honestly. Seems like maybe there's something else going on there.

00:12:17.460 And again, I have to caveat this because I always get pushed back when I just start asking like

00:12:22.340 questions that any thinking person should be asking about all of this is that that does not mean that

00:12:27.180 I don't think that there shouldn't be protection for the Ukrainian people, that I'm not sad. I mean,

00:12:35.120 I have heard the stories and seen the stories of the women and the children and the men who are fleeing

00:12:41.640 and who are being exploited, who are being raped, who are being horribly abused in these situations

00:12:50.560 that are absolutely just in destitution and the children who in some cases have been abandoned

00:12:57.100 because of this, the surrogacy industry. That's a whole thing that we talk about a lot

00:13:03.940 in which these surrogate babies that were supposed to be bought by parents abroad were just left in Ukraine.

00:13:10.320 So there's lots of tragedy there that we should have a lot of compassion about while still asking,

00:13:15.460 why are the people in charge of this country more concerned with what's going on in Ukraine than

00:13:19.680 what's going on here? With the crushing weight of inflation and the economic woes that we are

00:13:26.420 dealing with, with the loss of freedom in a lot of cases that people are suffering under that we have

00:13:31.120 chronicled on this podcast many times. And Tulsi Gabbard is willing to ask those questions.

00:13:36.360 And I appreciate that. I appreciate that a lot. I don't think that we agree on everything.

00:13:43.020 I'm curious about what does she think about abortion? Last time I checked, she still believed that it should 0.82

00:13:48.420 be legal to kill a child through 20 plus weeks of pregnancy. Like, I'm interested to know, like,

00:13:55.700 what are her views on life? What are her views on the Second Amendment? And that's OK if we don't agree 0.77

00:14:03.100 on all of those things. I mean, obviously, those things are very important to me. But I still can

00:14:08.700 appreciate the things that we do agree on, the things that she's willing to champion, that she's

00:14:12.780 willing to buck the system. She's willing to stand out and get the wrath of a lot of powerful Democrats 1.00

00:14:18.020 for saying what she knows to be true. So I applaud her courage. I'm thankful for that. You need people

00:14:23.960 who are willing to represent sanity and take the hits for it. Courage begets courage. And she is

00:14:31.220 hopefully inspiring courage in a lot of people. Now, my hope is to get her on the show. That is

00:14:36.800 what we are trying to work out right now, hopefully for next week. That would be a privilege to be able

00:14:41.280 to talk to her. So if we are able to do that, make sure you send me questions, any questions that you

00:14:45.180 might have for her. And remember, like, she's getting hit from Democrats and Republicans, Adam

00:14:52.280 Kissinger and Mitt Romney and others, which I don't even know if you really consider them conservative

00:15:01.980 Republicans. She's probably more conservative than both of them in a lot of ways. But so, you know,

00:15:07.500 she needs people to be sharing the arrows with her. And again, I just appreciate that she is willing

00:15:12.580 to say things that to a lot of people are really unpopular. And once again, we learned that conservatives

00:15:17.980 tolerate disagreements so much more than those on the left who are just consistently so incredibly

00:15:27.300 intolerant towards any sort of disagreement. And of course, they are the ones who accuse us

00:15:35.620 of being anti-democratic. As I say, it is always projection, always projection when it comes to the

00:15:41.680 left and those kinds of those kinds of accusations. All right, let's talk about Herschel Walker. A lot

00:15:59.080 of you have been asking me this over the past over the past week and my thoughts on it. And I do have

00:16:04.400 quite a few quite a few thoughts. So Herschel Walker is currently running for one of the Georgia Senate

00:16:09.580 seats in the U.S. Senate as a Republican. He is voting or he is running against Raphael Warnock,

00:16:16.720 Democrat from Georgia, whom we have talked about. Terrible person, terrible legislator,

00:16:23.580 stands for everything that is atrocious and destructive, not just for the black community 1.00

00:16:29.420 that he says that he represents, but just for Americans as a whole. And so, of course, people

00:16:34.180 have been really excited about getting him out and getting a Republican alternative in there. And so,

00:16:40.040 Herschel Walker decided to run against him. And of course, he is running as a pro-life, pro-family

00:16:46.600 candidate, but he has had an uphill climb in his campaign as several stories have come out and not

00:16:54.380 even come out, just have been resurfaced. It was kind of already known that he had already had multiple

00:17:01.640 kids with multiple women. And it seems, as far as I understand, that Christian Walker, who also

00:17:07.800 has a platform, I think he has a podcast, but he has a lot of influence on social media. I think from

00:17:13.980 what I understand, Christian is the only one that really had a relationship with him. So people were

00:17:19.020 already kind of accusing Herschel Walker of hypocrisy. But of course, the thought was, well, it's better than

00:17:25.020 having a Democrat who is going to vote for abortion and going to vote for these anti-family policies.

00:17:30.780 Um, it's, it's better to, you know, have an alternative to that. But now a story has come

00:17:38.340 out that is even worse than some of the things that were already being said about Herschel Walker.

00:17:43.880 And it was published by the Daily Beast on October 6th. And the story is that Herschel Walker paid for

00:17:51.800 a woman's abortion, a woman that he got pregnant back in 2009. She apparently, according to the Daily

00:17:59.300 Beast, provided them with a receipt from the abortion clinic that shows the date of the procedure

00:18:03.960 and then also a signed personal check that Herschel Walker had mailed her inside a get well soon card

00:18:10.980 five days after the procedure. And so horrible story. Herschel Walker is saying that it's not true.

00:18:17.620 He is claiming that he is going to sue the Daily Beast for this. And then Christian Walker,

00:18:23.020 his son posted a video saying that he is done supporting his dad running for Senate,

00:18:30.840 that he is tired of the lies, and that he and his family members encouraged his dad not to run

00:18:38.200 for Senate. And that basically his dad is a hypocrite. He said that the check does look like it is written 1.00

00:18:45.440 in his dad's handwriting. And so you can just tell from the videos that Christian put out

00:18:50.060 that he was livid about this. He said that he doesn't want to play nice anymore. And, you know,

00:18:56.380 Christian got a lot of criticism from people, conservatives, obviously saying, why now? Why,

00:19:02.940 you know, why this timing? Why right before the election? And also pointed out that Christian had

00:19:07.980 supported him, that he had spoken at different events for, you know, in support of his dad running

00:19:14.300 for Senate and seemed like he was completely on board with this campaign. And now some people

00:19:20.900 on the right are saying, well, it's fishy that he is now talking about this. And then on the left,

00:19:26.020 you also have people kind of saying the same thing, not saying that it's fishy necessarily,

00:19:30.240 but saying, well, why did you wait? Why didn't you say something a long time ago if you knew he was a

00:19:34.880 hypocrite? Why did you support him in the first place? And so I don't know. I haven't talked to 0.97

00:19:40.520 Christian personally about all of this. I do know that it's got to be hard, especially over the past

00:19:45.860 week or so, getting so much shade and so much hate from people. And look, I don't know. I don't know.

00:19:54.360 I haven't verified all of the details of this. Obviously, as I said, Herschel Walker says this is

00:19:58.940 untrue. I can't verify the handwriting and all of that. It is a horrible accusation,

00:20:04.900 but I don't know. Christian says that he thinks that it's true. And so there's a lot out there.

00:20:11.540 I hope to be able to talk to Christian about this. Hopefully, he will be able to come on my show

00:20:17.180 soon. But I also can't impugn his motives for why he decided to talk about that when he did.

00:20:26.960 Maybe it was just too much for him. Maybe he had been carrying this burden and he finally felt

00:20:31.540 like he had to say something. I don't think that we can ascribe anything nefarious or malicious or

00:20:37.100 shady to him about it. I do hope, though, to ask some questions of him, of what was kind of going

00:20:43.540 through his mind? Why did he make these videos? I'm interested to know that. I'm sure you guys are

00:20:48.640 too. And so we're working on getting that interview. And it would also be interesting to talk to Herschel

00:20:55.660 Walker about what he thinks about this. Now, there has been a lot of debate on the rights

00:21:01.920 about whether or not conservatives, Republicans, should vote for Herschel Walker if this accusation

00:21:08.660 is true. And I mean, there are a lot of people saying that there's a lot of support in saying

00:21:14.680 that it's true. And say we are believing Christian when he says this is his handwriting and say you

00:21:20.920 believe this woman and you believe this report that it is true that Herschel Walker paid for an

00:21:27.240 abortion. Now, if it is true, it is obvious that that is gross hypocrisy. Then that is evil. 0.96

00:21:33.860 Paying for a murder of a child to try to abdicate responsibility. Again, if that is true, that is evil.

00:21:41.420 That is wicked. That is something that we should not equivocate about. That is something that we should

00:21:45.840 be able to say. I mean, that is a disastrous and destructive and such tragic sin and how awful for

00:21:54.800 the woman and how awful for the child. And it is especially egregious to say that you are against

00:22:01.840 abortion yourself and that you are pro-family and to have that in your past. Now, it is one thing for

00:22:10.660 someone to have that in their past and to say, look, this is what happened. I have changed since

00:22:16.720 then. I have repented since then. By the grace of God, I have moved past that. And that was a horrible

00:22:22.780 thing that I did. And I regret that. But the reason I'm so passionate against abortion is because

00:22:28.940 I have that in my past and I've made those mistakes and I know how it can destroy people and

00:22:34.340 destroy families and it destroyed a life. I think that there's all the grace in the world for that.

00:22:39.660 And I know a lot of people wouldn't honor that kind of honesty, but I certainly would appreciate

00:22:43.920 that kind of thing for anyone who had had that in their past. I don't think it is

00:22:48.920 necessary. I don't think it's always hypocritical for you to be against something that you have done

00:22:55.380 before because you just have the experience of why that thing should be opposed. Like people

00:23:01.100 criticize Christian Walker for being against fatherlessness, even though he says that his father

00:23:07.220 was, you know, pretty absent. But he's like, yeah, I know. I know the effects of fatherlessness

00:23:14.040 because he dealt with a father that he says was pretty absentee. So again, that's not hypocritical.

00:23:20.900 You can learn from your past and your own experiences and shape your beliefs around that and even your

00:23:26.720 policy positions. But if this did happen, if this did happen, I'm not seeing that this was,

00:23:33.480 you know, a dark piece of his past that he is repenting of. He is saying, of course, that it's

00:23:37.460 not true. So if someone did commit something like this, they are a hypocrite and they are not owning 0.98

00:23:44.500 up to it and they are not saying that was a mistake that is now shaping my policy. Should Republicans vote 0.95

00:23:50.560 for them? Should you vote for someone who says that they are one way, but their life contradicts

00:23:59.260 that? And really, the bigger question is, like, how much should you care about how much should you care

00:24:07.520 about personal morality when it comes to who you vote for? On the one hand, we've got Donald Trump,

00:24:16.380 who I think a lot of us would say, okay, married three times, multiple divorces, you know, from what we

00:24:25.560 know, he was a bit of a playboy and didn't represent in a lot of ways, traditional values, Christian

00:24:33.660 values. And yet we have seen that with his appointment of Supreme Court justices, something

00:24:40.200 monumental and life-saving like the Dobbs decision was published. And God used a very, you know, an

00:24:46.580 imperfect person. All of us, of course, are imperfect, but an imperfect person, a person that a lot of

00:24:52.880 people would describe as immoral, as not aligning with Christian values to accomplish something that

00:24:58.280 was incredibly just, incredibly good, incredibly historic, and will save the lives of unborn children

00:25:04.300 by allowing states to pass just legislation that is protecting their right to life. And so God uses

00:25:10.960 people who personally may not represent Christian or conservative values in some ways to accomplish

00:25:17.820 really just and good things. But, but do the ends justify the means? When we're looking at the choice

00:25:27.400 between the lesser of two evils, are you still supposed to choose evil? And you could say, well,

00:25:36.440 we're all evil to a certain extent. Everyone sins. Everyone has hypocrisy. Everyone has some duplicity.

00:25:43.340 Everyone has, you know, personal mistakes and, and, and personal sins. So the question is like, where do you

00:25:51.580 draw the line? At what point is a candidate too immoral? Like, I mean, if you found out that

00:25:57.400 a candidate was a pedophile, got busted for child pornography, but they said that their child 0.93

00:26:05.180 sex abuse material is the right way to say that, but they were saying that they were pro-life, pro-child, 0.99

00:26:11.920 anti-drag queen story hour. I mean, I wouldn't vote for that person. Of course not. So there is a line.

00:26:18.960 There are things that you, that would disqualify someone from being a good candidate

00:26:27.220 for you. The question is, where is it? How much does it matter? When does it matter? Because you're

00:26:33.820 looking at his opponent, Raphael Warnock, who not only will vote for destructive policies that will end

00:26:43.960 in, for example, maybe the codification of Roe v. Wade, making it impossible for states to pass laws to

00:26:50.560 protect the rights of unborn children. So you're looking at the increased slaughter of thousands of

00:26:56.080 image bearers of God because of the vote of someone like Raphael Warnock. And not only that, but he also

00:27:02.660 has a very dark and riddled past that, of course, interesting, right? The media is not interested in

00:27:08.800 highlighting at all. They don't want to dig in to his ex-wife who accused him of trying to run her over

00:27:16.000 with his car and abusing her and abandoning their children. The only people that covered that

00:27:21.420 were Fox News a couple of years ago when he was running and when he won the election in 2021.

00:27:29.400 So you've got two people with allegedly dark pasts and riddled with different kinds of accusations

00:27:37.720 that bring their moral character and their integrity into question. Because remember, Raphael

00:27:42.340 Warnock claims to be a Christian and a pastor, and yet he is pro everything that is anti-God and 0.78

00:27:50.000 anti-biblical when it comes to policy and even in his personal views of sex and gender and the family

00:27:57.460 and life inside the womb. And then you have this Republican over here who also allegedly

00:28:03.980 has some inconsistencies and some immorality in his own life, and yet he represents policies that will

00:28:12.120 lead to good things for vulnerable people and for all people, the people of Georgia, but also

00:28:18.580 in the United States. And so it's a tough quandary that people are in. You have to decide what is the

00:28:27.580 line. It's obviously not perfection. And so it's something below that. It's something below that.

00:28:36.280 And so what is it? And I don't know the exact answer. All I'm saying is that I don't think it's so

00:28:45.600 easy as saying, well, you absolutely should. I'm definitely not on board with that. Or you

00:28:53.100 absolutely shouldn't. Or you're not a good Christian. There is a line somewhere. Moral character does

00:28:59.760 matter. But how much? And what kind of moral character? Like what sins are allowed before you

00:29:07.620 disqualify someone as a candidate that you would vote for? And it's really hard to like put them

00:29:15.160 down on a list. I mean, paying for an abortion. Again, if it happened, that's got to be like on

00:29:22.580 the list of things, right? To disqualify. I mean, again, not everything might. Like maybe you would

00:29:30.960 still vote for someone who got a divorce. Maybe you would still vote for someone who had like a DUI 0.70

00:29:37.660 in his past, like Beto O'Rourke. Maybe you would still vote for someone who cusses like a sailor or 0.97

00:29:43.780 who isn't as strong on certain policies as you would like. But there's got to be some things that are

00:29:51.500 like, you know what? That's too far as much as I would like his policies. And I can't tell you exactly

00:30:00.400 what that list would be. I can't. So I'm not going to sit here and pronounce judgment on people who

00:30:08.360 decide one way or another because policy does matter. What do we always say? Politics matters

00:30:15.240 because policy matters because people matter. Politics affects policy. Policy affects people.

00:30:22.180 Policy really matters. In some cases, like with abortion, it is a matter of life and death.

00:30:27.240 It could be a matter of being able to maim children who are confused about their gender or not.

00:30:34.760 So all of that really matters. So I'll just leave that with you. I'm sorry that I don't give you a

00:30:40.460 clear cut answer, but these are the things that I'm thinking through. And again, I hope to be able to

00:30:44.540 talk to Christian to get a little bit more clarity about all of this. So we'll see what the people of

00:30:50.340 Georgia will decide. That's the thing with democratic processes is that people get to

00:30:56.980 decide what their line is. People get to decide what is going to disqualify someone or not.

00:31:02.200 Okay. So I wanted to talk to y'all about, and this doesn't really have to do with the other

00:31:17.160 things that we were talking about, but there's so many things, like I said, that I want to cover.

00:31:20.780 I want to talk to you about this latest surrogacy story that I posted about on Instagram. And I got

00:31:26.240 a ton of just positive agreeing reactions from you guys when I responded to a post that was posted by

00:31:33.740 a guy with a big platform called Brian Kelly. He is referred to as the points guy, and he helps

00:31:43.100 people travel the world by leveraging loyalty programs and credit card points. Great idea for

00:31:47.820 a company. He's become very successful doing that. And he posted this picture on Instagram

00:31:52.280 of him holding his new baby while he is laying on a hospital bed. This is a baby that he created

00:31:59.240 via surrogacy. And I've done several episodes about what I think are the huge ethical problems

00:32:05.400 with commercialized surrogacy. So I want to give my reaction to that and re-explain all of my feelings

00:32:13.320 about this post and just about commercialized surrogacy in general. But let me tell you a little bit

00:32:18.620 more about Brian Kelly. So he has been saying he did an interview back in 2021. And he says that he

00:32:29.620 really wanted to become a father. And he has always been excited about that prospect. And then he did

00:32:38.240 another interview earlier this year in August that said, I'm going to be a dad, bun in the oven,

00:32:45.320 coming very soon. We're full third trimester. It's always been a dream of mine. I think when

00:32:51.340 the pandemic hit, I had broken up with my fiance. I've always known I wanted to be a dad.

00:32:56.040 And it's hard being gay and doing IVF. The whole process takes a long time. In fall 2020,

00:33:02.340 I started being serious about it. And then he claims that, you know, he wanted to do it with

00:33:08.200 a partner. And then he just thought, you know, why not do it on my own? And then he said that

00:33:13.140 there was such a long wait list for surrogates back in the pandemic. But there was an organization

00:33:20.880 called Elevate Egg Donors, an LGBTQ surrogacy organization that reached out and said they

00:33:26.820 were big fans and actually asked if this guy wanted a baby. And so reached out to this gay 0.97

00:33:34.060 single man and said, hey, you want a baby? We can hook you up with an egg donor and a surrogate. 0.99

00:33:39.300 Is that not creepy as heck to you? And then he claims that his parents are very supportive of

00:33:51.400 this. And he also had a baby shower that he posted about on Instagram a few months ago where he had

00:33:59.240 drag queens come to the baby shower because that's normal. That's like a very sane thing to do. That's 1.00

00:34:04.880 something that dads typically like to do, right? A baby shower where you are inviting men who are 1.00

00:34:13.060 scantily clad and dressed up as women to celebrate the birth of your child. And here is a little bit 0.94

00:34:22.280 of an interview that he did kind of explaining becoming a dad and wanting to become a dad.

00:34:27.680 I am going to be a dad. Yes. It's always been a dream of mine. I'm very lucky. It'll basically be

00:34:34.100 two years from the day I started to having my son. I got matched with this amazing surrogate who

00:34:42.220 you've met when I was a kid in the 90s. Like I knew I was gay and I would go to bed and be like,

00:34:47.900 if I could take a pill to be straight because I want to have kids and I never thought I'd be able

00:34:51.560 to have kids. So like to all the gay boys out there or girls and people, you know, battling 1.00

00:34:59.580 infertility, just like. Everything happens the way it's meant to happen. Maybe your thought is,

00:35:05.420 well, the baby is already here. There's no reason for me not to celebrate it and for

00:35:09.560 to be excited about that. But I got to be honest, when I see that picture of a man who used a surrogate

00:35:15.680 laying on a hospital bed, holding a child that he created using the eggs of one woman and renting 0.85

00:35:22.480 the womb of another woman and then took that child away from both his biological mom and the 0.95

00:35:29.260 only woman that he has ever known, the woman who gestated and birthed him and lays on a hospital

00:35:34.460 bed without any woman in sight. I got to say, I'm actually really, really sad. I'm really disturbed

00:35:42.120 by that. I don't find it within me to celebrate at all. I actually want to cry. Because I think

00:35:47.460 about that child that was purposely created and designed to be taken away from his mother.

00:35:53.440 And that is not something to applaud. That is not something to celebrate. And this person,

00:36:00.560 this guy, I'm not questioning whether or not he will be a loving dad. He could be a great dad. He

00:36:07.580 could be super engaged. He could go to all the baseball games and he could have a great time

00:36:11.940 with his son. The problem is he'll never be a mom. And as we've talked about many times on this

00:36:17.440 podcast, I've talked about it. I've had Katie Faust on my show. I've had Jennifer Law on my show.

00:36:21.900 Children have a right to a mom and a dad. And it is different when you are adopting a child that has 0.69

00:36:29.440 already been created. The mother decided to keep this child, to choose life and to go through the

00:36:38.100 hardship sometimes that is pregnancy and birth and to selflessly give up their child to a couple that

00:36:46.880 can at that time better take care of that child than she can. That is a selfless act of sacrifice.

00:36:54.760 You've already created the child. And then these adoptive parents are then sacrificing for that child

00:37:01.300 and taking that child into their home. That is a beautiful act of redemption. That is different

00:37:06.800 than purposely creating a child with the express intention of taking him away from his mother or

00:37:14.120 father. And that is what sperm donation is using a sperm donor. And that is what egg donation and

00:37:20.980 surrogacy is. You are purposely creating a child to take them away from their mom or their dad. Not only do

00:37:27.280 I think that is immoral and unethical, but the first commandment with the promise is to honor your

00:37:34.220 father and your mother. And so you are robbing children of that opportunity when you are purposely

00:37:40.920 creating them to take them away from their mother or their father. But I also think that we do not

00:37:48.600 know the psychological and long-term impact yet fully of on a child when you take them away or when

00:37:58.460 you create them to purposely take them away from their parents. There's a book called Primal Wound

00:38:04.720 that talks about the wound that happens when a child who is separated from their parents at birth for

00:38:13.540 adoption. So this is a redemptive situation where the child was created, the mother, the parent,

00:38:18.600 couldn't take care of this child. And so this child is taken from a not great situation to a great

00:38:24.720 situation with a loving home and loving parents and present parents and sometimes siblings. And still

00:38:31.760 that wound is there. Still, there is trauma that happens at birth when that child is separated from

00:38:39.120 his biological parents. Still, there is a long-term effect. Still, there is a longing inside that child

00:38:45.260 for the rest of their life to know who they are, whose they are, and where they come from. They can

00:38:50.420 have the best adoptive parents in the world and still they want to know who's my mom and why didn't

00:38:56.240 she want me? Who's my dad and why isn't he here? I can't speak for every single child that has been

00:39:04.340 adopted. I don't know everyone's story, but that is what the data shows. And that's what most testimonies

00:39:11.540 show. And that is, again, in even healthy and great adoptive situations. Now tell me, what is the

00:39:18.420 psychological impact of someone who was purposely created to be taken away from their mom and taken

00:39:25.780 away from the woman who birthed them? You know, I follow Emily Oster, who is not, I mean, as far as I

00:39:32.520 know, she's not a conservative. She's not a Christian. She deals with data. She's a professor at Brown

00:39:37.040 University. She wrote a book called Expecting Better. And she just looks at data and tells you

00:39:41.780 what the data says about certain things when it comes to pregnancy and parenthood. And someone

00:39:46.020 asked her, is it true that babies instinctively at birth long for their mother because they recognize

00:39:53.760 their mother's sound and smell and feel? And she said that is exactly what the data shows. I don't,

00:40:00.080 she wasn't making any kind of political or ideological statement. That's just what the data shows. Of course it

00:40:04.380 does. Of course it does. Of course a baby is instinctively looking for her mother after she

00:40:12.520 is born. That is how God created us. And to rip that child away from her mother, away from her

00:40:19.680 gestator, and bring her into the life of a stranger who created her and who, by the way, probably destroyed

00:40:26.560 a lot of other embryos along the way because they wanted a child that's a certain gender, that's a

00:40:32.760 so-called strong embryo. I mean, there is a lot of exploitation and a lot of destruction that very

00:40:42.020 often accompanies commercialized surrogacy. And people say, well, you know, these women, 1.00

00:40:49.040 they're choosing it. Ag donors are choosing it. And surrogates are choosing it. It's consent. First of

00:40:55.780 all, I reject this idea that consent is the only standard of virtue and decency. I just, I reject

00:41:03.320 that. Just because someone consents to something doesn't make it moral or ethical. I mean, you know,

00:41:08.040 most countries in Europe actually make this kind of practice illegal. People come to the United States 0.93

00:41:13.060 because the laws around IVF and commercialized surrogacy in this country are so liberal and have

00:41:17.760 almost zero regard for the rights and the well-being of the child or even the women involved who very often

00:41:23.020 are not told the side effects of donating eggs, which can cause cancer or being a surrogate,

00:41:28.660 which very often leads to premature birth and is not just traumatic physically and emotionally and

00:41:35.740 mentally for the child, but also for the mother. Many of these women, they sign contracts that say 1.00

00:41:42.420 in the contract that you have to abort this baby at any time if the parents who are hiring the surrogate 0.93

00:41:48.540 want you to abort this baby. Like, I don't even think we know the exploitation that is inherent

00:41:53.660 in the commercialized surrogacy industry. And people ask me all the time, what do I think about

00:41:58.800 IVF? Look, I think IVF brings with it some complications and some ethical questions as well,

00:42:04.400 especially when you have fertilized embryos that are on ice indefinitely. If you believe that life

00:42:09.420 starts at conception, which personally, I don't think that there is any other logical place for life to

00:42:14.940 start than when there is unique DNA from the sperm and the egg that comes together to make a living

00:42:20.320 embryo, then you've got what Jennifer Law refers to. And I think she's actually quoting someone else,

00:42:26.380 souls on ice. You've got human beings on ice. I think there are ethical questions about that.

00:42:32.260 That doesn't mean that these children are not made in the image of God. That doesn't mean these

00:42:36.260 children aren't incredibly valuable, that God doesn't love. Of course, God loves them. And parents who use

00:42:42.140 IVF are amazing parents. Children created through IVF are just as valuable and worthy and equal to

00:42:48.000 children who are made in any other way. That's not the question. The question is, are we thinking

00:42:54.460 about the rights and the well-being of children when we're looking at reproductive technology?

00:42:59.440 Something that I've said a lot is that whenever technology or science can take us from what is

00:43:04.160 natural to what is possible, we have the responsibility to slow down and ask a lot of questions.

00:43:09.780 Because just because technology and science can take us from what is natural to what is possible

00:43:15.240 does not mean that it is good. Technology does not answer the question of, is this right? Technology

00:43:21.860 only answers the question, is this possible? And as Christians, we are always obligated to ask,

00:43:27.780 not just is this possible, but is this right? And if something is not right, it doesn't matter if it's

00:43:32.880 possible. So I do think commercialized surrogacy indeed should be restricted. I believe that

00:43:41.520 children have a right to their mother and father. Again, there are disruptions to that, natural

00:43:48.580 disruptions to that. Of course, the death of a parent, adoption, but all of those things are

00:43:54.820 circumstances that simply happen. You're not creating a child to bring them into a fatherless or

00:44:00.460 motherless situation, far be it from Christians. Far be it from Christians to ever celebrate or applaud 1.00

00:44:06.860 forced motherlessness or fatherlessness. So that's how I feel about that. I understand. Look,

00:44:14.880 I'm not judging if you haven't thought about this. If this has never even crossed your mind and you

00:44:20.980 just thought surrogacy was fine, like I was there too. I hadn't really thought about it a couple years

00:44:25.040 ago. But it's time for us to start thinking about these things. It's time for us to realize that

00:44:30.100 children do have rights. And I'm sorry, you do not have a right to designer children. You do not have

00:44:37.680 a right to a woman's eggs. You don't have a right to a man's sperm. You don't have a right to a woman's 1.00

00:44:42.220 uterus. I don't care how much you can pay for it. You don't have a right to those things. Stop taking 1.00

00:44:47.180 the freaking picture sitting on the hospital bed with your child like you had anything to do with their 1.00

00:44:52.420 labor or birth. Talk about erasure. I'm sorry, but I find this really disturbing. And for all the 0.99

00:44:58.640 people who talk about, oh, the Handmaid's Tale, the Handmaid's Tale, this is a lot, a heck of a lot

00:45:03.460 closer to the Handmaid's Tale surrogacy than anti-abortion laws are. Like the Handmaid's Tale

00:45:11.560 has nothing to do with restricting the slaughter of unborn children inside the womb, but rather is

00:45:17.160 the exploitation of women just as bodies, just as wombs. That's what surrogacy is. And yet all the 0.98

00:45:22.900 people calling laws that protect unborn children Handmaid's Tale and dystopian have nothing to say

00:45:30.260 about commercialized surrogacy because that would cause them to compromise on one of their chief 0.98

00:45:33.840 values, which is gay sex. So I just, I see a lot of hypocrisy there. And I see a lot of 0.99

00:45:43.140 detrimental effects, unfortunately, on future generations. And I think that Christians 1.00

00:45:48.740 really, really need to stand firm if we care and care about and love our neighbors, especially

00:45:54.220 our baby neighbors who do not have a voice.

00:45:57.200 All right. Now I want to talk to an attorney from Alliance Defending Freedom, who is in the

00:46:13.740 midst of a very important case that is going to help set the stage for the future of female sports.

00:46:20.280 This case is called Seoul v. Connecticut Association of Schools. And it has to do with Title IX,

00:46:26.000 has to do with the rights of female athletes. And I heard about this case and I thought,

00:46:30.720 wow, we should really be talking about this because this is going to, as I said, set the

00:46:35.420 stage for the future of fairness for female athletes. So I'm going to be talking to Christiana

00:46:40.320 Kiefer. She is senior counsel with Alliance Defending Freedom. She's going to break this all

00:46:44.620 down for us and explain why it matters, not just legally and constitutionally, but also spiritually

00:46:51.160 for us as Christians. So without further ado, here is our new friend, Christiana.

00:46:56.000 Christiana, thank you so much for joining us. All right. Can you just start us off? Tell us about

00:47:03.320 Seoul v. Connecticut Association of Schools. What in the world is this about?

00:47:08.620 Yes. So starting in 2017, the state of Connecticut allowed first one and then two male athletes to

00:47:16.320 compete in girls high school track in the state of Connecticut. And that had a devastating impact

00:47:21.400 on female athletes across the state. Together, over the course of just three years, these two

00:47:27.740 male athletes took 15 women's state championship titles. They set 17 new meet records, records that

00:47:36.220 girls don't really think they have any chance of ever breaking. And more than 85 times, 0.71

00:47:42.720 they deprived female athletes of opportunities to advance to the next level of competition at 0.99

00:47:47.940 more elite meets state championships and the like. So as you can imagine, this had a really

00:47:53.520 devastating impact on female athletes, including my clients, which are four brave young women,

00:47:59.340 Selena Sol, Chelsea Mitchell, Alana Smith, and Ashley Nicoletti. And among them, they lost out on

00:48:06.740 championship titles multiple times. They were the fastest girls in the race and a male athlete took that

00:48:12.280 title instead. They lost out on advancement opportunities, on right placements, on medals,

00:48:17.480 on public recognition, things that matter to athletes. So Alliance Defending Freedom has the

00:48:23.200 privilege of representing them in a federal lawsuit. And we said, look, this violates fair athletic

00:48:29.320 competition and these girls' right to opportunities under Title IX. And so we filed a federal lawsuit back in

00:48:35.940 2020. And that case is still pending right now. All right. And it's before the it's before the Supreme

00:48:43.800 Court, correct? It's before the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Gotcha. So not

00:48:50.240 in front of the Supreme Court. So what exactly is going on with it right now? What's the latest update?

00:48:56.140 Yes. Well, unfortunately, COVID slowed things down a little bit. The federal district court sat on the

00:49:01.340 case and ultimately dismissed it. And he basically looked at my clients and said, your lost opportunities

00:49:07.340 don't matter. Your records that don't rightly reflect your accomplishments don't matter. And so

00:49:12.600 he dismissed the case. And that's wrong. The girls' accomplishments and having records that rightly

00:49:18.220 reflect their achievements do matter. And so Alliance Defending Freedom appealed that dismissal to

00:49:23.640 the Second Circuit. We had oral arguments just a couple weeks ago. And we made the case that the case

00:49:29.920 ought to be able to proceed. We ought to be able to make our full case under Title IX. The judges asked

00:49:35.340 good questions. I think they're seriously considering our arguments. And we're optimistic that we'll be

00:49:41.000 able to go back down to the lower court and really make the full case for why Connecticut's policy that

00:49:46.520 allows males into women's sports violates Title IX. Yeah. Tell us a little bit more about Title IX.

00:49:52.180 What does Title IX say? And why are you all arguing that this protects the rights of the athletes that

00:49:56.960 you're representing? Sure. Title IX was passed 50 years ago this year to stop sex discrimination

00:50:04.680 against women and provide them with comparable educational opportunities to their male counterparts. 0.97

00:50:10.940 Title IX really in the intervening years has come to be synonymous with sports. It's the reason that

00:50:16.520 we've seen women's sports just grow to such an extent in our country over the last several decades. 1.00

00:50:22.260 And girls now have athletic opportunities in high school and college and scholarship opportunities

00:50:27.720 that they never would have dreamed of before Title IX passed. But unfortunately, when you allow males to 0.55

00:50:34.580 come into women's sports and take away those opportunities, girls lose. The whole reason we have women's 1.00

00:50:41.080 sports as a separate category is because we recognize there are real physical differences between males and

00:50:46.260 females. In fact, the science shows that males have anywhere from a 10 to 50% performance advantage

00:50:54.240 over comparably fit and trained female athletes. So not just in Connecticut, but across the country and 0.99

00:51:00.480 other states as well, we're seeing that just one or even two male athletes in the women's category

00:51:06.160 is just devastating the opportunities for female athletes. So I saw the federal lawsuit under Title IX and we're 0.97

00:51:12.400 optimistic. Yes, there was a study, I'm sure that you've seen it, and I've talked about it before

00:51:16.820 from Duke University just a few years ago, analyzing not just female athletes versus male athletes, but

00:51:23.160 female elite athletes versus male elite athletes. You mentioned that there is a 10 to 50% performance

00:51:30.100 gap between men and women, boys and girls. And that's just true across the board in all kinds of levels

00:51:36.060 of athletes. But when you're looking at even elite athletes, there is a 10 to 12% performance gap.

00:51:41.440 This is what Duke University found. And the gap is smaller between elite females. So we're talking

00:51:48.640 like collegiate athletes, professional athletes, even Olympic athletes and non-elite males. So we're

00:51:54.080 talking high school athletes, but the gap is still there. So there is still a gap between Olympic level,

00:52:00.700 for example, track stars like Allison Felix and a high school boy, a high school boy on average,

00:52:07.040 who is pretty good. Say they're pretty good at track in high school. They still are likely to beat

00:52:14.900 someone like Allison Felix, who is running at an Olympic level simply because they are boys. And

00:52:21.800 sometimes what we hear from the other side is that, well, this has to do with the different resources and

00:52:27.260 the different training that is given to men and women. Obviously, that's not true. If you're looking

00:52:32.240 at an Olympic level athlete and a high school athlete that goes to a public school, it's because

00:52:37.260 he's a boy. And that's what Duke University found. Duke University said the differential is not the

00:52:42.460 result of boys and men having a male identity, more resources, better training or superior discipline.

00:52:47.480 It is because they have an androgynized body. The results make clear that sex determines wind share.

00:52:53.940 Female athletes, here defined as athletes with ovaries instead of testes and testosterone levels, 1.00

00:53:00.180 testosterone levels capable of being produced by the female non-androgenized body are not competitive

00:53:06.180 for the win against males, here defined as athletes with testes and T levels in the male range.

00:53:13.160 And so they basically say, look, it's the existence, not to be too graphic, it's literally the existence of

00:53:18.640 testes. That is what determines your wind share. And that's it. And the fact that this is even being

00:53:26.060 debated, that this is even a question, I mean, it does kind of worry me for the future. But what do

00:53:32.800 you think as you kind of look at the not just political landscape, but the legal landscape and

00:53:37.140 other similar cases before appellate courts, even before the Supreme Court, if it's going that direction?

00:53:44.740 And what do you think the future is? Well, I'm optimistic that truth will ultimately win out

00:53:50.100 because you are exactly right. Like the performance gap between elite male and female Olympians

00:53:55.520 stabilized back in the 1980s and really has not changed much since then. You mentioned Allison

00:54:00.720 Felix. There was one study of high school boys in 2017, more than 275 high school boys in the United

00:54:09.080 States alone beat Allison Felix's lifetime best in the 400 meter. Most of the advertised school boy

00:54:16.240 by age 14 or 15 can outrun a female Olympic female athlete. So the science is just so clear that males

00:54:24.440 have an inherent physical advantage over female athletes that no amount of testosterone suppression

00:54:29.060 can undo. It doesn't change their larger hearts, their greater lung capacity, their denser bones,

00:54:34.620 their stronger muscles. In fact, the science shows that even after a couple of years of testosterone

00:54:39.800 suppression, males can continue to increase in strength. So the science is so clear on this

00:54:46.300 question. And I am optimistic that ultimately we will be able to restore fairness and protect the

00:54:52.780 integrity of women's sports for future female athletes. But it is an uphill road to it's an uphill battle 1.00

00:54:57.860 in part because the Biden administration is pushing for these changes to Title IX that would redefine sex

00:55:05.880 to include gender identity and open the door for biological males who identify as female to flood

00:55:11.660 women's sports. So we do have our work cut out for us. 1.00

00:55:14.020 Has ADF had any requests from male athletes who are worried about females who identify as boys taking

00:55:31.580 their titles? No, not that I'm aware of. That's a really telling point, right? Interesting, interesting.

00:55:38.880 I'll definitely be looking for cases like that. So what can the average person, I'm not a lawyer,

00:55:45.080 most people listening are not attorneys, and they just do what they can to try to pay attention to

00:55:50.240 what's going on and be involved in their communities. But it's really overwhelming. Sometimes we just feel

00:55:56.900 like there's nothing we can do. In your opinion, what can the average person do? How can they support ADF?

00:56:04.800 How can they follow along? I mean, what can we do to get involved?

00:56:09.460 Well, I think the most important thing your listeners can do is to speak up with grace and

00:56:14.020 truth. So there is nothing wrongful about communicating that there are real physical

00:56:20.680 differences between men and women. And in fact, that's something to be celebrated, and it should

00:56:25.040 be reflected in our law and policy. When we fail to rightly recognize the real physical difference

00:56:31.520 between males and females, women and girls are the ones who suffer the most consequences.

00:56:36.520 Yes, we see that happening in sports, but we also see it in the broader cultural context as well,

00:56:41.600 of males coming into women's private spaces and homeless shelters. The list just kind of goes on

00:56:47.000 and on of the ways that women are most harmed when our law and policies don't reflect that there are

00:56:53.340 those differences. So I encourage your listeners to speak out, talk about it with their family members,

00:56:58.740 be discipling the next generation about how God has created us male and female and the goodness of

00:57:04.720 that design. And then too, for parents and those who have athletes in their lives, encourage them to

00:57:11.560 be speaking to school administrators, to athletic associations, those who have the authority to set

00:57:16.760 policy and can make a change and protect the integrity of women's sports for the next generation. 0.97

00:57:22.980 Yes. Thank you so much. And also just for representing how important it is for Christians to enter every

00:57:29.860 sphere, for Christians to take their gifts, to do what you have done and becoming an attorney,

00:57:35.480 or maybe that's not where God has gifted you or God has called you. Maybe he's called you into a

00:57:40.240 different sphere, but use the talents and the gifts and all of the resources that God has given you

00:57:46.400 to fight for the things that are good and right and true. And Christians really should

00:57:51.120 be bringing light into every sphere and role and job that we occupy. And you seem to be doing that so

00:57:57.280 well. So thank you so much, Christiana, for taking the time to come on. I really appreciate it.

00:58:02.220 Thanks for having me.

00:58:05.060 All right, guys, longer episode today. So much to cover. Tomorrow, we're debating on whether or not

00:58:12.940 we want to do a very controversial episode. I don't even know if I want to say what it's about,

00:58:20.320 because I don't know. We haven't decided whether we're going to do it. But I think I think I want

00:58:26.740 to. I think I think I want to. I'm not. I know it sounds really mysterious. So you'll just have to

00:58:31.320 tune in no matter what, no matter what we talk about. It'll probably be deemed controversial by

00:58:35.900 someone. But this controversial subject that really doesn't have to do with politics at all.

00:58:41.700 It is out of the it is out of kind of the norm of what I typically talk about. But I think that I

00:58:47.840 want to dedicate an episode to it. So we'll just see. Just tune into that. If you love this podcast,

00:58:52.100 please leave us a five star review wherever you listen. And also make sure you subscribe on YouTube

00:58:56.180 and like this video. That would help us out a lot. Thanks so much. See you guys tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 12, 2022

Ep 690 ｜ Should Christians Vote for Herschel Walker？

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