Ep 692 ｜ Sorry, Ulta： Men Can’t Be Moms
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Summary
On today's episode of Relatable, Allie talks about the heated debate between her and Raphael Warnock about what it means to be a woman in the 21st century. Plus, she gives her thoughts on the heat in the South, and whether or not you should wear sweaters in the summer.
Transcript
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Ulta gives two grown men the opportunity to tell women what it means to be a girl.
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And we'll look at a couple highlights from the Herschel Walker-Raphael Warnock debate
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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It is kind of starting to feel a little bit like a whisper of fall where I am,
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which means it's dropped below temporarily, 80 degrees.
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I saw someone that I follow posting a video of their backyard in Minnesota the other day,
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And this person talked about starting Christmas music.
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My brain doesn't have the capacity to comprehend it.
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I've realized that in certain parts of the South that remain hot,
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And then intolerable heat is like June through, I don't know, October 5th.
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And then we have like three days of unbearable cold where no one can go outside or function
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But I realized in our two dominant seasons, tolerant or tolerable heat and intolerable heat,
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when it comes fall, you really just have to think of the clothes that you're going to wear as a costume.
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You don't wear the sweaters for any practical reason.
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There is no pragmatic purpose to your scarf or to your boots.
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You would be totally comfortable, even more comfortable, wearing a tank top and shorts and flip flops.
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But because you want to transition into a new season, I think that's part of human nature.
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You just have to decide, OK, I am going to be sweaty outside all day, but I'm going to wear my autumn costume.
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You have to think about your jackets and your vests and your sweaters and your scarves and your boots and your jeans and your corduroy,
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all more like a costume rather than clothes that you have to wear for any particular purpose.
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You can't judge people when it's 75 degrees outside and they're wearing a cowl neck.
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You just have to be like, yeah, I get it. That is the fall costume.
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And we're all just pretending here in the South that it's autumn.
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We're in the pretending that it is cold enough to have to wear a jacket.
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I'm wearing a sweater and boots right now because I am embracing my fall costume.
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One thing I did want to mention last Thursday's episode where we talked about Pitbull, not Mr. Worldwide,
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the other kind of Pitbull, the dog kind of Pitbull.
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I knew it was going to be controversial and I addressed literally every single argument for Pitbulls that I've heard.
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And still, that has not stopped people from commenting the very same arguments that I refuted.
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And not in a refutation of my refutation of their original argument,
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but actually saying the original argument like I've never heard it before.
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Like people commenting, oh, this is the same thing as banning guns or while pitties used to be nanny dogs or chihuahuas also bite.
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I addressed all of those what I consider to be very silly and illogical arguments in my episode.
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I really don't comment on other people's like videos or things at all.
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But if I did or if I sent someone a message of disagreement, like I really try to take their argument
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and respond to what was actually said, not just say something that I want to say or that I think that they need to hear.
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But I do appreciate, well, there's tons of messages and comments of support and agreement.
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But I also appreciate those of you who disagree and you're like, hey, I disagree.
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And while I do think it's an important subject, I do.
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And now some of you, now I say some of you, you're not probably listening to this anymore.
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Some people take this to the level of it literally almost being to them a salvation issue.
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Like I got a message this morning from someone that I had never responded to before, but I
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was able to scroll up and see her previous messages.
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And she had sent me messages of agreement of saying that, you know, she supports my book.
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And then she literally devolves into saying that I can't support you anymore.
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I can't believe that you're saying this about pit bulls.
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And I was talking about several stories in which elderly people or toddlers were mauled.
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And people take their love and adoration of pit bulls to a level of almost, I'm not saying
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But some people in my comments have taken their love of pit bulls to a level of idolatry,
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to a level of worship so that you cannot tolerate people blaspheming what you have made a little
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Honestly, like that is the level of like apologetics that I see in some of the comments.
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I understand if you love pit bulls, you have a pit bull.
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You have never had to bear the brunt of pit bull aggression.
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This is the only breed ever, I guess, that doesn't have a nature.
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It's the only breed ever that is completely dependent on the owner and training for behavior.
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It doesn't make sense, but maybe you're someone who believes that.
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I don't think that you're not a Christian or not a good person or that we can't be friends.
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I actually have friends who have a very gentle pit bull who has never, as far as I know,
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But to those of you who take this criticism of pit bull to the level of like not being able
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to function anymore, like not being able to have a polite or rational conversation, there is,
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and I say this in love, like there is something that you need to dig into there.
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I'm not saying that you have to change your mind on pit bulls, but if you devolve into
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almost a temper, a toddler like temper tantrum, when someone criticizes pit bulls, then you
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need to just dig down deep and ask yourself why that is, like why they are on such a pedestal.
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And I'm talking about an animal versus the safety of image bearers.
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Again, maybe you disagree with a variety of arguments within that argument, and that is
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And I'm not saying that you don't care about human beings too, but let's cool our jets.
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The fact that people like so much rage is inspired around pit bulls actually makes me like dig
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my fall boot heels in even more because I'm like, okay, there is like, there's something
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weird going on about the just, if I am able to say rabid, defense of pit bulls.
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If you don't know what I'm talking about, go back and listen to Thursday's episode.
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We also talked about a lot of other things too, then maybe you'll get something out of
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I hope that we can be friends disagreeing on, disagreeing on pit bulls.
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It doesn't even come on like four or five or six or seven on the list.
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But we've got a lot of disagreements before that, that we can have and still be friends,
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So we are going to watch a little clip from this interview that was platformed by Ulta Beauty.
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They have a podcast that's called The Beauty Of.
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The premise of this podcast is apparently to feature conversations that widen the lens
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This person says that he is quote unquote gender fluid, wears a lot of makeup and dresses
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The first episode of this podcast is called The Beauty Of Fatness, features like an obese
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woman talking about like taking her body back from a fat phobic society.
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We have talked about the kind of the goods and the bads of the so-called body positivity
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If I can find that previous episode, I will try to link it in the description here.
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And in this particular episode, they talked about this person, David Lopez, and this person
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named Dylan Mulvaney about quote unquote the beauty of girlhood.
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Now Dylan Mulvaney is a very, very popular TikToker with tens of millions of followers and also
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And before I get into describing all of this, let me just say, in case you're new here, I
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do not use pronouns that are mismatched with someone's biology because I do not believe that
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biology is bigotry and because, as I will explain in detail in just a minute, I believe that
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It is not acceptable for me to lie and to perpetuate a delusion that I think is not just harmful
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to the individual, but is harmful to society as a whole.
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And so I will not use she, her for someone that I know is a man.
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And Dylan Mulvaney, while he is trying to be not just a woman, but says that he is trying
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And I'm going to affirm the identity that God gave him when he created Dylan inside the
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Now, I understand why Dylan is popular, as I was saying.
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His background, I believe, is in acting and maybe singing.
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But I also, as you can imagine, understand why he has inspired so much controversy.
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And it's because of how he presents not just himself, but girlhood.
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So before I play you a clip of this interview that we are going to then discuss and I'll
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respond to, let me play you just a little montage, in case you don't know who Dylan Mulvaney
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Day one of being a girl and I have already cried three times.
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I am at the Rose Bowl flea market with my best friend and we are wearing matching dresses.
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Day three of being a girl and I've already become a bimbo.
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And oh my gosh, one whole week of being publicly a woman.
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13 of being a girl and it feels like Christmas morning.
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I am finally going to get laser hair removal on my face and my body.
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So in March of this year, he announced his transgender identity.
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He started to take talk series called Days of Girlhood and he documents each day of his
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Now, maybe you watch that or listen to that and you're like, I thought you said that this
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was like entertaining and you don't see how this is likable at all.
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I do understand why to a large group of people.
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He said that he is becoming a woman, but he still wants to.
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And I'll also talk about all of that whole branding of himself and of what he thinks
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I want to be a mom one day and I absolutely can.
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And that's why the narrative still has a long way to go.
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Because when I was grieving boy Dylan, I didn't know those things were even accessible to me.
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So before I respond to that, what I think, and this is like the nicest way I can say it
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Before I respond to that ridiculous statement about wanting to become a mom, I also like another
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aspect of this person that I understand people are attracted to is that he comes across as very
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vulnerable and very gentle and also very honest.
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Like he will talk about like the different kinds of like procedures that he wants and like hormones
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And so I think people like what seems like a level of transparency and vulnerability.
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And you can kind of see that come across there.
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However, people were not deceived by or they weren't taken in by his delivery.
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On Twitter, Ulta got absolutely dragged and lambasted for this because this is two grown men
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telling an audience of women what it is like to be a girl.
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And over the next couple of days, you are going to see a lot in conservative media of
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I think that mocking false and harmful ideas is actually a healthy and necessary way to make
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That's why I do it when I can, because it makes a point in an ironic way, which is sometimes
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And so there's going to be a lot of mockery in the next few days.
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But I do on this episode want to take the time to dig a little bit deeper on this.
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A lot of women are saying that this is really sad for women because it erases women.
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And I understand that because we are getting it from both sides as women when it comes to
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For the women who claim to be men, we all have to be birthing people and menstruators
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And then for the men who claim to be women, we have to allow them into our private spaces
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on our sports teams and share titles and characteristics with them like motherhood that have always been
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Personally, though, while I understand all of that, and while I do think that is absolutely
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a form of erasure, and that is something to be angry about and to even mourn over, I do
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not personally feel like he is taking away from my femininity.
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I don't feel like he is diminishing my experience as a mother.
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When I see a clip like that, I feel more gratitude than ever for who I am.
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When I read a lot of the posts that circulate on Twitter from Reddit from the men who are
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trying to be women who are like really, really wanting to be perceived as a woman and have
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female experiences, and they have to like jump through all of these hoops just to pretend
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to be a woman, to try to get a feeling that they're a woman, to try to convince other
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people that they're a woman, like I am just so grateful for the thing that maybe, I mean,
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I've always been happy about, but maybe took for granted before that I am a woman.
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And the experience I have is both of those things is real.
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He made me a girl in my mother's womb, who is also a woman in her mother's womb, and
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I realize honestly more than ever because of all of this, how amazing it is and how thankful
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I am so grateful for and so confident in my femininity that a man playing a caricature
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of a girl or a woman truly cannot do anything to diminish that.
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Whether you're a man or a woman, you should be praising God that you're a man because it's
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I know that in a lot of ways society tells you that it's not and tries to hinder and
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inhibit true healthy masculinity in a lot of ways, but it's good to be a man.
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It's good to be able to do the things that only our bodies can.
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That is what we should, by the way, as parents, be telling our kids, it is good to be a boy.
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We should be trying to cultivate this kind of gratitude and confidence in our kids from
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And so I don't actually feel when I watch this.
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I know a lot of people feel like something's being robbed from them, and I get that.
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That is, I think, a valid concern and a valid feeling because that is, I don't think that
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Like, I don't think that that is his goal in this, but I understand how people feel like
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that is an indirect consequence of something like this and a company like Ulta promoting
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That's not personally how I feel because this person, what he is trying to represent as much
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as he calls himself a girl, he represents a caricature of a woman.
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This is a grown man playing a character of a pre-teen girl.
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It is insulting in a lot of ways to actual women.
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This person, in all of his videos, as you saw a little bit a few minutes ago, reduces
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femininity down to silliness and flamboyance and klutziness.
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And I don't know a single woman or even a single girl who acts like that.
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It is a man trying to figure out what femininity is and being unable to successfully do so.
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And I understand, again, why he has so many followers.
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I understand why this has some entertainment value.
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And I understand, actually, you might be so confused about this, but I understand why
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Women are attracted platonically to non-threatening males.
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I haven't fully unpacked why, but since the dawn of the gay best friend, or maybe even the
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dawn of time since it was possible for girls to friend zone a guy, women have liked being
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around masculine energy that is not a threat to their safety.
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And I might be controversial to say, I think it's absolutely true.
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I'm sure there's some kind of study or some kind of literature on that out there.
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And this person, I think, has mistaken that support for affirmation of his stated identity
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or validation of his stated identity, solidification of it.
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Like, he has mistaken all of the compliments and all of the following as authenticating who
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He said recently, he said, the world sees me as a girl.
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And I promise, and again, this is not me trying to be mean.
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This is trying to affirm who God has made as a male.
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Go to any person outside of Western civilization and he can put on makeup, heels and a dress
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and ask a person in China or Zambia or India or Iraq what he is.
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Heck, most people in the West wouldn't even bring themselves to say that this person is a
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girl or a woman just like actual girls and women.
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There's a very small percentage of people who have convinced themselves that gender is
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There's a lot of people who say that they believe that.
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There's a lot of people that will function politically like that.
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There are a lot of doctors who will make money off of that belief.
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But when you get down to what people really believe, there are very few people that have
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That a grown man with a five o'clock shadow can be a girl.
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Saying a man looks like a man or a woman looks like a woman is not mean spirited.
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And I understand the manipulative tactic that is always employed that says, well, if you
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think if you say that a man who thinks he's a woman is a man, you're perpetrating abuse
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But that is emotional extortion used to silence people out of telling the truth.
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Talk to any detransitioner, which I know a lot of people are uncomfortable doing.
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And they will tell you that their suicidal ideation had nothing to do with being misgendered or
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pronouns or people not affirming them, but instead had to do with a lot of underlying
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My goal, my goal is not to offend, although I know that this is offensive.
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And it's not just any truth, because some truths don't need to be said, right?
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Like if you see someone and you don't like their outfit, you don't need to tell that
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truth or you don't like their pants don't match their shirt and you're not on that level
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of friendship to where like they really want to know.
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This is a necessary truth because under the guise of authenticity and affirmation, this
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ideology is encouraging people to be what they are not.
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And then it is infringing upon the rights of women in sports.
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In abuse shelters, in prisons, it's breaking families apart.
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It's encouraging minors to go through with life altering, sterilizing, genitalia maiming
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So telling the truth here is the most compassionate and necessary thing that we can do.
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Dylan can never become a mom because he is not a woman.
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He would have to buy the eggs of one woman and rent the womb of another woman to do what
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That baby will then go into his arms, the arms of a stranger who doesn't smell or feel
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like the woman who birthed him, who doesn't smell or feel like woman at all, and will
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not feel the instinctive connection and longing that a child has for her mother.
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Also, he can perpetuate a delusion at the expense of the right of a child to a mom and a dad,
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at the expense of the long-term well-being of a child who has an innate desire to know from
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He will likely go through his process in the hope that doing so will make him a mom and
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That would be better than buying eggs and renting wombs, which is, as we've talked about many
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This is, it's often desperate women who are given the opportunity to make a lot of money
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and they sell their bodies, taking on all kinds of risks, many of which they're not,
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they don't even know about to feed their families.
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But he would still not be a mother because he is not a woman and nothing will change that.
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Now, maybe he could have been an amazing father.
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However, I'm not doubting that he would love his child, but amazing dads still are not
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All right, let me, let me talk about this a little bit further in on a deeper and more theological
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And there might be some of you out there who have never heard someone speak clearly
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I might be the first person that you've heard talk clearly about this.
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I hope that you'll go listen to some previous episodes that we will link in the description
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of this podcast so you can learn more about this.
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They're be, they're afraid of being called a transphobe.
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One of the things that we say on this podcast is that we are salmon.
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When everyone is going one direction, we try to go the other.
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Actually, let me, let me tell you this metaphor before I get into the rest of my explanation.
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But I was thinking, so I go to this workout class and it's really important to stay on the
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And there are some times when the entirety of the class is almost the entirety of the class
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And in order for me to stay on the correct beat that I can hear, I have to close my eyes
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and I just have to listen to the music and do the move that I know is right at the right
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time, even if the people who are around me are on the wrong beat or else the entire,
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I mean, or else it's just chaos or else you can't even like enjoy the workout.
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And so that is also true when it comes to truth.
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In reality, there are going to be times when everyone around you is offbeat and maybe they're
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just a little offbeat or maybe they're doing completely different movements.
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But you hear the music, you know God's word, you know what is true, and you have to close
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your eyes to what other people are doing and simply follow what you know is right.
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And that is true, certainly when it comes to these cultural issues that put so much
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pressure on us, especially believers, to just swim downstream.
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It's really easy to kind of fall into these nonsensical maxims like, oh, just live your
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Or, oh, this person is just embracing authenticity.
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And isn't it just good to be yourself or follow your heart?
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Or, well, whatever makes someone happy or just follow your dreams.
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I wrote an entire book about these lies that came out in 2020 called You're Not Enough
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and That's Okay, Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love and how they can lead to the delusion
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of gender ideology, but also to justifying all different kinds of sin and irrationality.
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But people also fall into even crazier, even more illogical and even circular maxims like
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Like that doesn't make any sense if you actually try to define those words in any concrete sense.
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Or maybe you and those around you have convinced yourself that this just doesn't affect you.
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And we've talked a lot on many episodes about how this tangibly affects people and why it
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But let me try to make a case to you from a biblical standpoint.
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While I understand why a secular person might cling to these sayings and come to those conclusions,
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these are simply not options for the Christian.
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It's not a mentality that aligns with Christianity at all.
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As Christians, we do not believe in our truth or their truth.
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We do not believe that authenticity is a replacement for reality or morality.
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We do not believe that happiness is an excuse for delusion.
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We do not believe that male or female is something that can be declared, decided, or identified
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as because the very first chapter of the Bible makes clear that God made us in his image as
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God created the gender binary and he saw that it was very good.
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It is even the basis for the most significant union and symbol in the Bible, and that is
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Ephesians 5 tells us that the marriage between one husband and one wife is a depiction of
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the eternal union between Christ, the bridegroom, and the church, his bride.
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Just as the church submits to Christ, wives are to submit to their husbands.
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Just as Christ sacrificed himself for the church, so husbands are to sacrifice themselves
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So we see that the definition of both gender and marriage are not simply physical realities
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that God made, but also point to a spiritual eternal reality.
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In alliteration that I often use, that I've used many times, you've heard if you've been
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listening to Relatable for any amount of time, the definition of gender and marriage in
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It is reiterated throughout scripture in places like honor your father and mother.
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Those gender roles and gender identifications are not arbitrary.
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It's repeated by Jesus himself, Matthew 19, 4 through 5, representative of Christ and the
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church, as we see in Ephesians 5, and therefore is reflective of the gospel.
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So to be made in God's image is to be made male or female.
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This is the basis of not only existence, but also the basis of marriage, which is the basis
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of the family, which is the foundation of any functioning and flourishing society.
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So to purposely try to distort that by repudiating God's creation is not only a disruption to society,
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It is not only an assault on the person as an image bearer, but most significantly, it is
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It is the worst form of idolatry because it is self-idolatry.
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It is an exchange of the God of Scripture for the God of self.
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At least people who worship, say, a carven image realize that they have to go outside
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of themselves for the power and for the wisdom that they're looking for.
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But those who exchange the God of Scripture for the God of self have been so deluded by
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their idolatry that they actually believe that they are sufficient in themselves to find
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The God of Scripture demands that we submit to who he says that we are, what he says is
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good and right and true, whereas the God of self wants to simply submit to every feeling,
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And that is why the burden and the yoke of the God of self is so heavy and so difficult.
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But the burden that Jesus offers is light and the yoke that Jesus places on us is easy because
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We believe in the Jesus who is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
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Hebrews 13, 8, who also says in Matthew 19, 4 through 5, that we were made male and female.
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We don't have to struggle with the turmoil of trying to figure out who we are and whose
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we are because God has already told us that is the liberation and the joy and the freedom
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that comes from Christianity, that comes from the gospel, and the order that comes from the
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The worldview that is underlying transgenderism says that who we really are is what we feel
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People will say that Dylan is being himself because he is trying to manifest what he feels.
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Christianity rejects that form of superficial and distorted authenticity.
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Christianity rather has a high view of the body as something that is a part of your identity,
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We believe that God made our bodies from our chromosomes to our extremities.
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1 Corinthians 6, 19 says that the Christian's body is a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit.
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He died a bodily death on the cross and was raised in a bodily resurrection.
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One day we are going to be raised in a bodily resurrection too.
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That body that he knit together in our mother's womb will one day rise from the tomb.
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Far be it from us to try to distort it or mutilate it or change it to be a different gender than
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We do not as Christians believe it is possible to self-create or self-identify or self-declare
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because God created us and identified us in the beginning and declares who we are.
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And I understand there are always going to be people who look for exceptions and say,
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What about people who have chromosomal abnormalities?
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What do you say about people who have different body parts that put them somewhere in the middle?
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Just because there are some people that are born with one leg does not mean that human beings are
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Yes, we understand the rule in that the exception does not rewrite the rule.
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And someone who is born intersex is not the same as someone who is a man deciding when he is 30 years
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And I actually think that it's crazy and even rude to try to lump those people who were born with
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that abnormality into a movement that is primarily driven by sex and the feelings that someone has
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And so that is why, and that's a pretty thorough summary of why I think it is so important for
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us to talk about this, for us to care about this, especially as Christians.
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And this is not something to be wishy-washy on.
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It goes back to the first chapter of the first book of the Bible.
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If you're not going to be clear on Genesis 127, it is really hard for me to believe that
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you will be clear on the far more controversial verse in the Bible, which is John 14, 6.
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Genesis 127, God made us in his image, male and female.
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The reason I say that is because John 14, 6 is a lot more controversial than Genesis 127.
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Even a person who doesn't believe that the Bible is God's inspired word can see that we
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They may delude themselves into thinking otherwise, but it is scientifically obvious that we are sexually
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But John 14, 6, saying that Jesus is the only way to heaven, that we are all dead in our
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sin apart from him, that we need him to be reconciled to the Father, that we need him
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to forgive us of our sins, to absolve us of our iniquity so we can be free of the bonds
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of sin today, but also spend eternity with God.
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I have a hard time believing if you won't go against the culture when it comes to something
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as obvious as gender, that you're going to go against the culture when it comes to who
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So I wanted to talk and I wish I had more time to spend on this one because I really kind
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But with a follow up and a follow up to an episode that I did last week on Herschel Walker
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The question that I asked was, should Christians vote for Herschel Walker?
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And I kind of laid out my thought process about that, what I thought about Christian,
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what I thought about the story about Herschel Walker.
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Allegedly, according to the Daily Beast, paying for an abortion in 2009, he denies that.
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I did want to look at the debate between Herschel Walker and his opponent, Democrat Raphael Warnock,
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who I think from everything that we know about him, not just his values and how he will vote,
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but also just the stuff about his personal life that has come out, I think is a terrible,
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He has anti-every biblical value while calling himself a pastor.
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So they had a debate in Georgia and Herschel Walker did well.
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So let me play you this first clip where Raphael Warnock brings up the allegation that he,
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And here is Herschel Walker's response to that.
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And, you know, what most thing I put, I put it in a book.
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One thing about my life is I've been very transparent, not like the senator.
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And I tell people this, Georgia is a state that respects life.
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Christian Walker seems to think that it was true and that it was his handwriting on the
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Now, obviously, Raphael Warnock or any of the Democrats in the audience should not have
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any moral qualms with that because they think that should be totally fine for someone to
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I think people are pointing out that it would be hypocritical if that happened.
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I really hope that it is absolutely not true because it would be hypocritical and it would
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have been much better for him to be honest about that up front and to say, you know what?
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I think a lot of people would have a lot of forgiveness in their heart.
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I do hope that he is telling the truth about that.
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But he handled that question as well as he could.
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I stand where I've said I stand in the past that a patient's room is too narrow and small
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and cramped a space for a woman, her doctor and the United States government.
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We are witnessing right now what happens when politicians, most of most of them men, pile
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But did he not mention that there was a baby in that room as well?
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And also, did he not mention that he's asking the taxpayer to pay for it?
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So he's bringing the government back into the room.
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Well, first of all, he is much more unassuming and he doesn't have nearly as much pretense
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He's a much more down to earth person than Raphael Warnock.
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He knows how to say things like, oh, the room is too cramped.
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It's too cramped for the doctor in the United States government and a woman.
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So if that's your argument that the government has no say in when we kill someone and when
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someone can be assaulted, then you're basically making the argument that there should be no
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Why is it different just because the human being happens to reside in a woman's womb,
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just because the human happens to be small, just because the human being happens to be
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That is a justification for it to be legal to murder someone.
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That seems horrific, especially for someone who considers himself a Christian like Raphael
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And that's an amazing point, too, that Herschel Walker makes that actually you do want the
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You want the government in the business of abortion because you want the government to force
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So you're bringing the government in and you're bringing all the taxpayers in the room.
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You want to talk about a cramped doctor's room, try to fit the entire state of Georgia
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There is nothing more wicked than forcing human beings, forcing citizens of the United States
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I think we have is it one more clip or OK, here's a clip that a lot of people were talking
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And and and I've never I've never threatened a shootout with the police.
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And at the same time, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, excuse me,
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When he said out of respect, I need to let you know, Mr. Walker, you are very well aware
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I ask you to put that prop away where it's not a prop.
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So a lot of people are talking about that, making fun of Herschel Walker.
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I don't think that he ever said, as far as I know, that he was actually, you know, like
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But he was an honorary deputy and he did help the police force work with people who were
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And he has talked about his own mental health episode.
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So that's what Raphael Warnock was bringing up there.
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I mean, Raphael Warnock is about as wicked as they come when you're thinking about who
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Go back, listen to my previous episode for just kind of how I am thinking, thinking
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through that particular election and the difficult allegations, I think, for Christians who want
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to be thoughtful in how we vote and whom we vote for.
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There was a whole other story that I wanted to talk about.
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I'll respond to it tomorrow or Wednesday because I could have like a whole 30 minute monologue
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on this particular viral tweet about marriage, but I will talk about it soon.
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And he talks a lot, not just about different ways to combat cancer before your diagnosis
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or after your diagnosis that I find interesting.
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But he also talks a lot about pinkwashing and how Breast Cancer Awareness Month is not
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And I thought that was fascinating when I first heard it.
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So he's going to come on the show and explain exactly what he means.
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If you can think of questions that you have, particularly when it comes to breast cancer,
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he offers or he believes that veganism can help with these kinds of health issues.
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And so if you have any questions about that or about pinkwashing, let me know.
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And I'll try to get those questions to him tomorrow.