Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 692 ｜ Sorry, Ulta： Men Can’t Be Moms

00:00:00.000 Ulta gives two grown men the opportunity to tell women what it means to be a girl.

00:00:06.540 I have a lot to say about that.

00:00:09.740 And we'll look at a couple highlights from the Herschel Walker-Raphael Warnock debate

00:00:13.540 that had people talking last week.

00:00:15.960 This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.

00:00:18.820 Go to GoodRanchers.com slash Allie.

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00:00:30.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:33.540 Happy Monday.

00:00:34.820 Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend.

00:00:37.520 It is kind of starting to feel a little bit like a whisper of fall where I am,

00:00:44.540 which means it's dropped below temporarily, 80 degrees.

00:00:48.400 I saw someone that I follow posting a video of their backyard in Minnesota the other day,

00:00:54.360 and you had like six inches of snow.

00:00:57.160 And this person talked about starting Christmas music.

00:00:59.320 I don't even know what that means.

00:01:02.620 My brain doesn't have the capacity to comprehend it.

00:01:05.340 I've realized that in certain parts of the South that remain hot,

00:01:09.660 we pretty much have two seasons, maybe three.

00:01:12.620 It's tolerable heat and intolerable heat.

00:01:15.400 Right now we're intolerable heat stage.

00:01:17.740 And then intolerable heat is like June through, I don't know, October 5th.

00:01:22.880 And then we have like three days of unbearable cold where no one can go outside or function

00:01:28.020 and maybe all of your power goes out.

00:01:29.920 But I realized in our two dominant seasons, tolerant or tolerable heat and intolerable heat,

00:01:37.940 when it comes fall, you really just have to think of the clothes that you're going to wear as a costume.

00:01:43.940 You don't wear the sweaters for any practical reason.

00:01:47.700 There is no pragmatic purpose to your scarf or to your boots.

00:01:51.620 You would be totally comfortable, even more comfortable, wearing a tank top and shorts and flip flops.

00:01:58.240 But because you want to transition into a new season, I think that's part of human nature.

00:02:03.140 You just have to decide, OK, I am going to be sweaty outside all day, but I'm going to wear my autumn costume.

00:02:11.300 You have to think about your jackets and your vests and your sweaters and your scarves and your boots and your jeans and your corduroy,

00:02:19.200 all more like a costume rather than clothes that you have to wear for any particular purpose.

00:02:24.300 And you just can't judge people.

00:02:25.880 You can't judge people when it's 75 degrees outside and they're wearing a cowl neck.

00:02:30.780 You just have to be like, yeah, I get it. That is the fall costume.

00:02:33.840 And we're all just pretending here in the South that it's autumn.

00:02:37.260 So that's what stage that we're at now.

00:02:39.000 We're in the pretending that it is cold enough to have to wear a jacket.

00:02:42.440 I'm wearing a sweater and boots right now because I am embracing my fall costume.

00:02:47.740 Anyway, OK, lots to get to today.

00:02:49.680 One thing I did want to mention last Thursday's episode where we talked about Pitbull, not Mr. Worldwide,

00:02:55.680 the other kind of Pitbull, the dog kind of Pitbull.

00:02:58.420 I knew it was going to be controversial and I addressed literally every single argument for Pitbulls that I've heard.

00:03:06.680 And still, that has not stopped people from commenting the very same arguments that I refuted.

00:03:14.200 And not in a refutation of my refutation of their original argument,

00:03:18.540 but actually saying the original argument like I've never heard it before.

00:03:21.300 Like people commenting, oh, this is the same thing as banning guns or while pitties used to be nanny dogs or chihuahuas also bite.

00:03:30.560 I addressed all of those what I consider to be very silly and illogical arguments in my episode.

00:03:36.500 And still people actually they refuse.

00:03:38.640 This is what bothers me about anything.

00:03:40.700 And I try not to ever do this.

00:03:43.880 I really don't comment on other people's like videos or things at all.

00:03:47.800 But if I did or if I sent someone a message of disagreement, like I really try to take their argument

00:03:54.840 and respond to what was actually said, not just say something that I want to say or that I think that they need to hear.

00:04:00.880 That is like beyond annoying, honestly.

00:04:04.500 But I do appreciate, well, there's tons of messages and comments of support and agreement.

00:04:09.260 And that's great.

00:04:09.740 But I also appreciate those of you who disagree and you're like, hey, I disagree.

00:04:13.460 You like your pit bulls.

00:04:14.820 You like pit bulls in general.

00:04:16.680 That's fine.

00:04:17.560 I think you're wrong.

00:04:19.200 You think I'm wrong.

00:04:20.480 But we realize that we're talking about a dog.

00:04:23.480 And while I do think it's an important subject, I do.

00:04:26.080 And I think it's an important disagreement.

00:04:27.920 This is not like a salvation issue.

00:04:30.380 And now some of you, now I say some of you, you're not probably listening to this anymore.

00:04:35.260 Some people take this to the level of it literally almost being to them a salvation issue.

00:04:42.980 Like I got a message this morning from someone that I had never responded to before, but I

00:04:48.200 was able to scroll up and see her previous messages.

00:04:50.820 And she had sent me messages of agreement of saying that, you know, she supports my book.

00:04:55.420 Great.

00:04:55.700 And then she literally devolves into saying that I can't support you anymore.

00:05:02.060 I used to be a fan of you.

00:05:03.720 I can't believe that you're saying this about pit bulls.

00:05:06.500 Lady, this is a dog. 0.92

00:05:08.040 This is a dog.

00:05:08.900 And I was talking about several stories in which elderly people or toddlers were mauled.

00:05:13.660 And people take their love and adoration of pit bulls to a level of almost, I'm not saying

00:05:19.220 everyone, I'm not saying everyone.

00:05:21.900 But some people in my comments have taken their love of pit bulls to a level of idolatry,

00:05:26.360 to a level of worship so that you cannot tolerate people blaspheming what you have made a little

00:05:35.480 g-god.

00:05:36.260 Honestly, like that is the level of like apologetics that I see in some of the comments.

00:05:44.680 It's, I mean, it is beyond.

00:05:48.020 It is beyond to me.

00:05:49.640 I understand if you love pit bulls, you have a pit bull.

00:05:53.260 Maybe your family has always had pit bulls.

00:05:55.200 You have never had to bear the brunt of pit bull aggression.

00:05:58.480 Your child has never been mauled.

00:06:00.640 Your pet has never been killed by a pit bull.

00:06:03.880 You believe that it's only the owner.

00:06:06.400 This is the only breed ever, I guess, that doesn't have a nature.

00:06:11.280 It's the only breed ever that is completely dependent on the owner and training for behavior.

00:06:16.680 That's wild to me.

00:06:17.380 It doesn't make sense, but maybe you're someone who believes that.

00:06:19.400 That's fine.

00:06:20.480 I don't think that you're not a Christian or not a good person or that we can't be friends.

00:06:25.980 I actually have friends who have a very gentle pit bull who has never, as far as I know,

00:06:31.160 ever shown any aggression.

00:06:32.920 And I love these people.

00:06:34.120 They're awesome people.

00:06:36.160 Obviously disagree on the pit bull issue.

00:06:38.100 But to those of you who take this criticism of pit bull to the level of like not being able

00:06:44.600 to function anymore, like not being able to have a polite or rational conversation, there is,

00:06:51.080 and I say this in love, like there is something that you need to dig into there.

00:06:55.160 There is.

00:06:55.960 I'm not saying that you have to change your mind on pit bulls, but if you devolve into

00:07:00.480 almost a temper, a toddler like temper tantrum, when someone criticizes pit bulls, then you

00:07:07.180 need to just dig down deep and ask yourself why that is, like why they are on such a pedestal.

00:07:15.940 Okay?

00:07:16.460 They're animals.

00:07:17.860 They're animals.

00:07:18.920 And I'm talking about an animal versus the safety of image bearers.

00:07:23.860 And I am going to side on that side.

00:07:27.280 Again, maybe you disagree with a variety of arguments within that argument, and that is

00:07:32.600 fine.

00:07:32.760 And I'm not saying that you don't care about human beings too, but let's cool our jets.

00:07:38.920 Let's cool our jets.

00:07:40.620 The fact that people like so much rage is inspired around pit bulls actually makes me like dig

00:07:46.760 my fall boot heels in even more because I'm like, okay, there is like, there's something

00:07:53.420 weird going on about the just, if I am able to say rabid, defense of pit bulls.

00:08:00.760 If you don't know what I'm talking about, go back and listen to Thursday's episode.

00:08:03.740 We also talked about a lot of other things too, then maybe you'll get something out of

00:08:06.400 it.

00:08:07.100 And I hope that we can be friends.

00:08:09.620 I do.

00:08:09.920 I really do.

00:08:10.500 I hope that we can be friends disagreeing on, disagreeing on pit bulls.

00:08:15.400 This is not a salvation issue.

00:08:16.800 It's not a secondary theological issue.

00:08:18.700 It's not a tertiary theological issue.

00:08:21.920 It doesn't even come on like four or five or six or seven on the list.

00:08:24.800 Maybe like number 10.

00:08:26.200 But we've got a lot of disagreements before that, that we can have and still be friends,

00:08:30.480 right?

00:08:32.160 All right.

00:08:33.040 Thanks for listening to that little rant.

00:08:35.400 All right.

00:08:35.640 I want to get into this Dylan Mulvaney story.

00:08:38.320 All right.

00:08:49.440 So we are going to watch a little clip from this interview that was platformed by Ulta Beauty.

00:08:58.500 They have a podcast that's called The Beauty Of.

00:09:01.740 The premise of this podcast is apparently to feature conversations that widen the lens

00:09:06.320 surrounding traditional beauty standards.

00:09:09.220 It's hosted by a person named David Lopez.

00:09:12.440 This person says that he is quote unquote gender fluid, wears a lot of makeup and dresses

00:09:20.020 and things like that.

00:09:21.220 Also has a beard.

00:09:22.540 The first episode of this podcast is called The Beauty Of Fatness, features like an obese

00:09:28.620 woman talking about like taking her body back from a fat phobic society. 1.00

00:09:33.060 We have talked about the kind of the goods and the bads of the so-called body positivity

00:09:40.020 movement in the past.

00:09:41.120 If I can find that previous episode, I will try to link it in the description here.

00:09:45.340 And in this particular episode, they talked about this person, David Lopez, and this person

00:09:51.560 named Dylan Mulvaney about quote unquote the beauty of girlhood.

00:09:56.680 Now Dylan Mulvaney is a very, very popular TikToker with tens of millions of followers and also

00:10:03.680 has a very large platform on Instagram.

00:10:06.620 And honestly, it's not hard for me to see why.

00:10:09.780 And before I get into describing all of this, let me just say, in case you're new here, I

00:10:15.400 do not use pronouns that are mismatched with someone's biology because I do not believe that

00:10:22.520 biology is bigotry and because, as I will explain in detail in just a minute, I believe that

00:10:29.020 God made us male and female in his image.

00:10:32.460 It is not okay for me.

00:10:35.660 It is not acceptable for me to lie and to perpetuate a delusion that I think is not just harmful

00:10:42.140 to the individual, but is harmful to society as a whole.

00:10:45.200 And so I will not use she, her for someone that I know is a man.

00:10:52.240 And Dylan Mulvaney, while he is trying to be not just a woman, but says that he is trying

00:10:56.640 to be a girl, is a man. 0.69

00:10:59.100 And I think it is good to be a man.

00:11:00.820 I think God made our bodies purposely.

00:11:04.220 And it's good to be a man.

00:11:05.640 It's good to be a woman.

00:11:06.740 And I don't think that that is bigoted at all.

00:11:08.780 And I'm going to affirm the identity that God gave him when he created Dylan inside the

00:11:14.300 womb.

00:11:14.440 So I will be saying he.

00:11:16.560 Now, I understand why Dylan is popular, as I was saying.

00:11:21.340 He is very entertaining.

00:11:23.100 He comes across as very likable.

00:11:25.460 His background, I believe, is in acting and maybe singing.

00:11:28.940 I think that he was in musical theater.

00:11:31.920 And that very much comes across.

00:11:34.300 So I totally understand why he is so popular.

00:11:38.640 But I also, as you can imagine, understand why he has inspired so much controversy.

00:11:43.120 And it's because of how he presents not just himself, but girlhood.

00:11:50.140 So before I play you a clip of this interview that we are going to then discuss and I'll

00:11:56.640 respond to, let me play you just a little montage, in case you don't know who Dylan Mulvaney

00:12:01.040 is, of his what he calls journey to girlhood.

00:12:08.000 Day one of being a girl and I have already cried three times.

00:12:11.800 Day two of being a woman.

00:12:13.100 I am at the Rose Bowl flea market with my best friend and we are wearing matching dresses.

00:12:17.760 Day three of being a girl and I've already become a bimbo.

00:12:20.560 Day seven of being a girl.

00:12:22.160 And oh my gosh, one whole week of being publicly a woman. 0.54

00:12:25.960 Day 10 of girlhood.

00:12:26.960 And today I am singing.

00:12:28.940 I need to pick out a few female songs. 1.00

00:12:30.640 So let's see which ones we like.

00:12:32.020 13 of being a girl and it feels like Christmas morning.

00:12:34.920 I am finally going to get laser hair removal on my face and my body.

00:12:39.140 So in March of this year, he announced his transgender identity.

00:12:43.300 He started to take talk series called Days of Girlhood and he documents each day of his

00:12:49.160 transition.

00:12:49.640 Now, maybe you watch that or listen to that and you're like, I thought you said that this

00:12:53.760 was like entertaining and you don't see how this is likable at all.

00:12:56.820 I do understand why to a large group of people.

00:13:01.400 This is something that they want to watch.

00:13:05.080 He said that he is becoming a woman, but he still wants to.

00:13:09.740 This is a grown man, adult man.

00:13:11.240 He says that he wants to call himself a girl.

00:13:17.160 And so that is who this person is.

00:13:19.740 That is how he has amassed so many followers.

00:13:22.500 And I'll also talk about all of that whole branding of himself and of what he thinks

00:13:30.280 is femininity after I play this clip. 0.63

00:13:35.440 This is from that Ulta Beauty interview.

00:13:39.780 Now I know I can find love.

00:13:41.480 I know I can still be a performer.

00:13:43.600 I know that I can have a family.

00:13:44.920 I want to be a mom one day and I absolutely can.

00:13:47.640 And that's why the narrative still has a long way to go.

00:13:50.420 Because when I was grieving boy Dylan, I didn't know those things were even accessible to me.

00:13:56.300 So before I respond to that, what I think, and this is like the nicest way I can say it 0.85

00:14:02.000 is like ridiculous statement. 0.93

00:14:03.780 Before I respond to that ridiculous statement about wanting to become a mom, I also like another 0.95

00:14:08.400 aspect of this person that I understand people are attracted to is that he comes across as very

00:14:16.280 vulnerable and very gentle and also very honest.

00:14:22.420 Like he will talk about like the different kinds of like procedures that he wants and like hormones

00:14:28.300 and things like that.

00:14:31.060 And so I think people like what seems like a level of transparency and vulnerability.

00:14:36.220 People like that on social media in general.

00:14:39.000 And you can kind of see that come across there.

00:14:42.020 However, people were not deceived by or they weren't taken in by his delivery.

00:14:50.880 It didn't soften the blow at all.

00:14:52.920 On Twitter, Ulta got absolutely dragged and lambasted for this because this is two grown men

00:15:01.900 telling an audience of women what it is like to be a girl.

00:15:07.800 And over the next couple of days, you are going to see a lot in conservative media of

00:15:12.720 people mocking this.

00:15:14.940 And I think that that is justified.

00:15:18.180 I think that mocking false and harmful ideas is actually a healthy and necessary way to make

00:15:24.640 an important and truthful point.

00:15:25.980 That's why I believe in satire.

00:15:27.740 That's why I do it when I can, because it makes a point in an ironic way, which is sometimes

00:15:33.500 even more effective than literalism.

00:15:36.180 And so there's going to be a lot of mockery in the next few days.

00:15:40.080 But I do on this episode want to take the time to dig a little bit deeper on this.

00:15:46.100 A lot of women are saying that this is really sad for women because it erases women.

00:15:51.760 It belittles motherhood.

00:15:53.480 It's insulting to moms. 1.00

00:15:55.300 And I understand that because we are getting it from both sides as women when it comes to

00:16:00.500 this transgender movement, if you will.

00:16:02.600 For the women who claim to be men, we all have to be birthing people and menstruators 1.00

00:16:09.020 so as not to offend them.

00:16:10.360 And then for the men who claim to be women, we have to allow them into our private spaces 1.00

00:16:14.520 on our sports teams and share titles and characteristics with them like motherhood that have always been

00:16:20.240 unique to the female experience.

00:16:22.640 Personally, though, while I understand all of that, and while I do think that is absolutely

00:16:29.780 a form of erasure, and that is something to be angry about and to even mourn over, I do

00:16:37.320 not personally feel like he is taking away from my femininity.

00:16:42.480 Like I don't feel lesser at all.

00:16:46.340 I don't feel like he is diminishing my experience as a mother.

00:16:50.340 And this is what I mean by that.

00:16:52.040 When I see a clip like that, I feel more gratitude than ever for who I am.

00:16:58.480 When I read a lot of the posts that circulate on Twitter from Reddit from the men who are

00:17:03.400 trying to be women who are like really, really wanting to be perceived as a woman and have

00:17:08.760 female experiences, and they have to like jump through all of these hoops just to pretend 1.00

00:17:12.760 to be a woman, to try to get a feeling that they're a woman, to try to convince other 0.99

00:17:17.380 people that they're a woman, like I am just so grateful for the thing that maybe, I mean,

00:17:24.480 I've always been happy about, but maybe took for granted before that I am a woman.

00:17:29.280 I don't have to try.

00:17:30.720 Like I actually am a mom.

00:17:32.580 And the experience I have is both of those things is real.

00:17:36.240 I don't have to fake it.

00:17:37.300 I don't have to have procedures to be a woman. 1.00

00:17:39.240 I don't have to change anything.

00:17:40.520 I don't have to declare my pronouns.

00:17:42.020 God made me one.

00:17:43.460 He made me a girl in my mother's womb, who is also a woman in her mother's womb, and 0.93

00:17:51.820 on and on and on.

00:17:52.980 And God made me a mom.

00:17:54.720 That's incredible.

00:17:56.000 Wow.

00:17:56.340 I realize honestly more than ever because of all of this, how amazing it is and how thankful

00:18:01.920 I am for that.

00:18:02.760 I am so grateful for and so confident in my femininity that a man playing a caricature

00:18:09.420 of a girl or a woman truly cannot do anything to diminish that.

00:18:15.140 So praise God.

00:18:16.200 And you should be praising God too.

00:18:18.200 Whether you're a man or a woman, you should be praising God that you're a man because it's

00:18:21.480 good to be a man.

00:18:22.820 I know that in a lot of ways society tells you that it's not and tries to hinder and

00:18:27.760 inhibit true healthy masculinity in a lot of ways, but it's good to be a man.

00:18:32.760 It's good to be a woman.

00:18:34.280 It's good to be feminine.

00:18:35.440 It's good to be able to do the things that only our bodies can.

00:18:40.260 That is what we should, by the way, as parents, be telling our kids, it is good to be a boy.

00:18:46.440 It is good to be a girl.

00:18:47.700 Your body is good.

00:18:48.960 Your characteristics are good.

00:18:51.140 We should be trying to cultivate this kind of gratitude and confidence in our kids from

00:18:56.300 the youngest age that we possibly can.

00:18:59.320 And so I don't actually feel when I watch this.

00:19:02.640 I know a lot of people feel like something's being robbed from them, and I get that.

00:19:06.720 That is, I think, a valid concern and a valid feeling because that is, I don't think that

00:19:11.000 that is this person's desire.

00:19:13.760 Like, I don't think that that is his goal in this, but I understand how people feel like

00:19:17.400 that is an indirect consequence of something like this and a company like Ulta promoting

00:19:23.620 something like this.

00:19:24.540 That's not personally how I feel because this person, what he is trying to represent as much

00:19:30.460 as he calls himself a girl, he represents a caricature of a woman.

00:19:35.480 This is a grown man playing a character of a pre-teen girl.

00:19:41.080 He calls himself a girl.

00:19:43.260 And that is not only disturbing.

00:19:45.620 It is insulting in a lot of ways to actual women. 1.00

00:19:49.460 This person, in all of his videos, as you saw a little bit a few minutes ago, reduces 0.95

00:19:53.740 femininity down to silliness and flamboyance and klutziness. 0.72

00:19:58.780 And I don't know a single woman or even a single girl who acts like that. 1.00

00:20:04.100 So this is overcompensation.

00:20:05.760 It is a man trying to figure out what femininity is and being unable to successfully do so.

00:20:11.160 And I understand, again, why he has so many followers.

00:20:15.160 I understand why this has some entertainment value.

00:20:18.000 And I understand, actually, you might be so confused about this, but I understand why

00:20:23.740 many women like him.

00:20:25.620 Women are attracted platonically to non-threatening males. 1.00

00:20:29.740 I haven't fully unpacked why, but since the dawn of the gay best friend, or maybe even the

00:20:35.500 dawn of time since it was possible for girls to friend zone a guy, women have liked being 1.00

00:20:40.800 around masculine energy that is not a threat to their safety.

00:20:46.180 And I might be controversial to say, I think it's absolutely true.

00:20:49.120 I'm sure there's some kind of study or some kind of literature on that out there.

00:20:52.440 That's just my personal observation.

00:20:54.620 And this person, I think, has mistaken that support for affirmation of his stated identity

00:21:03.920 or validation of his stated identity, solidification of it.

00:21:10.860 Like, he has mistaken all of the compliments and all of the following as authenticating who

00:21:18.160 he says that he is.

00:21:19.280 He said recently, he said, the world sees me as a girl.

00:21:22.780 And I promise, and again, this is not me trying to be mean.

00:21:28.240 This is trying to affirm who God has made as a male.

00:21:34.320 The world does not see this person as a girl.

00:21:37.020 Go to any person outside of Western civilization and he can put on makeup, heels and a dress

00:21:42.180 and ask a person in China or Zambia or India or Iraq what he is.

00:21:48.240 Heck, most people in the West wouldn't even bring themselves to say that this person is a

00:21:52.240 girl or a woman just like actual girls and women.

00:21:56.680 There's a very small percentage of people who have convinced themselves that gender is

00:22:00.440 actually something that you identify as.

00:22:02.680 There's a lot of people who say that they believe that.

00:22:04.980 There's a lot of people that will function politically like that.

00:22:08.160 There are a lot of doctors who will make money off of that belief.

00:22:10.660 But when you get down to what people really believe, there are very few people that have

00:22:17.140 deluded themselves so far into believing that.

00:22:19.700 That a grown man with a five o'clock shadow can be a girl. 0.84

00:22:24.120 OK, that is the truth.

00:22:25.980 That is not rude.

00:22:27.160 That is not mean.

00:22:28.460 Saying a man looks like a man or a woman looks like a woman is not mean spirited.

00:22:33.540 That is affirming reality.

00:22:36.020 I do not have ill will towards this person.

00:22:37.940 I do not wish him harm.

00:22:39.180 And I understand the manipulative tactic that is always employed that says, well, if you

00:22:45.640 think if you say that a man who thinks he's a woman is a man, you're perpetrating abuse

00:22:50.220 and encouraging self-harm.

00:22:51.500 But that is emotional extortion used to silence people out of telling the truth.

00:22:55.860 Talk to any detransitioner, which I know a lot of people are uncomfortable doing. 0.66

00:22:59.460 And they will tell you that their suicidal ideation had nothing to do with being misgendered or

00:23:04.420 pronouns or people not affirming them, but instead had to do with a lot of underlying

00:23:09.040 mental issues that were not being addressed.

00:23:12.120 My goal, my goal is not to offend, although I know that this is offensive.

00:23:17.260 That's not my goal.

00:23:18.440 It's not to hurt is to tell the truth.

00:23:20.620 And it's not just any truth, because some truths don't need to be said, right?

00:23:24.200 Like if you see someone and you don't like their outfit, you don't need to tell that

00:23:29.040 truth or you don't like their pants don't match their shirt and you're not on that level

00:23:33.920 of friendship to where like they really want to know.

00:23:36.360 There are some truths that are not necessary.

00:23:39.200 This is a necessary truth because under the guise of authenticity and affirmation, this

00:23:45.000 ideology is encouraging people to be what they are not.

00:23:49.580 And then it is infringing upon the rights of women in sports. 0.99

00:23:53.260 In abuse shelters, in prisons, it's breaking families apart.

00:23:57.420 It's encouraging minors to go through with life altering, sterilizing, genitalia maiming 0.94

00:24:02.640 procedures.

00:24:03.580 So telling the truth here is the most compassionate and necessary thing that we can do.

00:24:09.820 Dylan can never become a mom because he is not a woman. 1.00

00:24:14.180 He would have to buy the eggs of one woman and rent the womb of another woman to do what 0.99

00:24:18.420 he never can.

00:24:19.580 And that is bear a child.

00:24:20.900 That baby will then go into his arms, the arms of a stranger who doesn't smell or feel 1.00

00:24:26.220 like the woman who birthed him, who doesn't smell or feel like woman at all, and will 0.99

00:24:29.860 not feel the instinctive connection and longing that a child has for her mother.

00:24:34.780 Also, he can perpetuate a delusion at the expense of the right of a child to a mom and a dad,

00:24:40.500 at the expense of the long-term well-being of a child who has an innate desire to know from

00:24:46.600 whom she comes.

00:24:48.180 He will likely go through his process in the hope that doing so will make him a mom and

00:24:55.900 it will not.

00:24:57.800 Now, maybe he will adopt.

00:24:59.560 That would be better than buying eggs and renting wombs, which is, as we've talked about many 1.00

00:25:04.220 times, not much different than prostitution.

00:25:05.780 This is, it's often desperate women who are given the opportunity to make a lot of money 1.00

00:25:10.740 and they sell their bodies, taking on all kinds of risks, many of which they're not,

00:25:16.760 they don't even know about to feed their families.

00:25:18.740 But he would still not be a mother because he is not a woman and nothing will change that. 1.00

00:25:26.820 Now, maybe he could have been an amazing father.

00:25:29.380 However, I'm not doubting that he would love his child, but amazing dads still are not

00:25:35.680 moms.

00:25:43.440 All right, let me, let me talk about this a little bit further in on a deeper and more theological

00:25:53.680 level.

00:25:54.560 And this is, this is the most important part.

00:25:58.080 And there might be some of you out there who have never heard someone speak clearly

00:26:03.820 about this.

00:26:04.360 I might be the first person that you've heard talk clearly about this.

00:26:07.420 I hope that you'll go listen to some previous episodes that we will link in the description

00:26:11.800 of this podcast so you can learn more about this.

00:26:14.860 Most people are afraid of being called a name.

00:26:17.360 They're be, they're afraid of being called a transphobe.

00:26:19.680 And so they just go along to get along.

00:26:22.660 They go with the mainstream.

00:26:23.940 One of the things that we say on this podcast is that we are salmon.

00:26:28.780 We are swimming upstream.

00:26:30.120 When everyone is going one direction, we try to go the other.

00:26:33.080 Actually, let me, let me tell you this metaphor before I get into the rest of my explanation.

00:26:37.600 But I was thinking, so I go to this workout class and it's really important to stay on the

00:26:41.900 beat.

00:26:42.220 And there are some times when the entirety of the class is almost the entirety of the class

00:26:47.880 is on the wrong beat.

00:26:49.160 And in order for me to stay on the correct beat that I can hear, I have to close my eyes

00:26:55.080 and I just have to listen to the music and do the move that I know is right at the right

00:27:00.660 time, even if the people who are around me are on the wrong beat or else the entire,

00:27:09.680 I mean, or else it's just chaos or else you can't even like enjoy the workout.

00:27:13.940 And so that is also true when it comes to truth.

00:27:17.980 That's also truth when it comes to morality.

00:27:20.700 In reality, there are going to be times when everyone around you is offbeat and maybe they're

00:27:25.260 just a little offbeat or maybe they're doing completely different movements.

00:27:28.500 But you hear the music, you know God's word, you know what is true, and you have to close

00:27:32.900 your eyes to what other people are doing and simply follow what you know is right.

00:27:39.500 And that is true, certainly when it comes to these cultural issues that put so much

00:27:43.820 pressure on us, especially believers, to just swim downstream.

00:27:49.360 It's really easy to kind of fall into these nonsensical maxims like, oh, just live your

00:27:56.480 truth.

00:27:56.920 That person is just living their truth.

00:27:58.300 Or, oh, this person is just embracing authenticity.

00:28:01.460 And isn't it just good to be yourself or follow your heart?

00:28:05.300 Or, well, whatever makes someone happy or just follow your dreams.

00:28:09.340 I wrote an entire book about these lies that came out in 2020 called You're Not Enough

00:28:14.320 and That's Okay, Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love and how they can lead to the delusion

00:28:19.160 of gender ideology, but also to justifying all different kinds of sin and irrationality.

00:28:26.060 So we'll link that too.

00:28:27.480 But people also fall into even crazier, even more illogical and even circular maxims like 0.76

00:28:36.440 trans women are women. 0.90

00:28:39.080 Like that doesn't make any sense if you actually try to define those words in any concrete sense.

00:28:45.440 Or maybe you and those around you have convinced yourself that this just doesn't affect you.

00:28:51.960 Like why does it even matter?

00:28:53.900 And we've talked a lot on many episodes about how this tangibly affects people and why it

00:29:00.320 matters.

00:29:01.460 So you can go back and listen to those.

00:29:03.860 But let me try to make a case to you from a biblical standpoint.

00:29:07.780 While I understand why a secular person might cling to these sayings and come to those conclusions,

00:29:14.020 these are simply not options for the Christian.

00:29:17.300 It's not a mentality that aligns with Christianity at all.

00:29:20.860 As Christians, we do not believe in our truth or their truth. 1.00

00:29:24.780 We do not believe that authenticity is a replacement for reality or morality.

00:29:29.220 We do not believe that happiness is an excuse for delusion.

00:29:32.480 We do not believe that male or female is something that can be declared, decided, or identified

00:29:36.840 as because the very first chapter of the Bible makes clear that God made us in his image as

00:29:43.140 male and female.

00:29:44.560 God created the gender binary and he saw that it was very good. 1.00

00:29:48.820 The binary is reiterated throughout scripture.

00:29:51.980 It is even the basis for the most significant union and symbol in the Bible, and that is

00:29:56.800 marriage.

00:29:57.820 Ephesians 5 tells us that the marriage between one husband and one wife is a depiction of

00:30:03.520 the eternal union between Christ, the bridegroom, and the church, his bride.

00:30:08.520 Just as the church submits to Christ, wives are to submit to their husbands. 0.98

00:30:12.640 Just as Christ sacrificed himself for the church, so husbands are to sacrifice themselves

00:30:17.820 for their wives.

00:30:19.700 So we see that the definition of both gender and marriage are not simply physical realities

00:30:26.400 that God made, but also point to a spiritual eternal reality.

00:30:31.780 In alliteration that I often use, that I've used many times, you've heard if you've been

00:30:37.380 listening to Relatable for any amount of time, the definition of gender and marriage in

00:30:42.940 the Bible is rooted in creation.

00:30:45.360 It is reiterated throughout scripture in places like honor your father and mother.

00:30:53.120 That's the first commandment with a promise.

00:30:55.080 Those gender roles and gender identifications are not arbitrary.

00:31:01.080 They are not switchable.

00:31:02.360 They're not accidental.

00:31:03.420 They are purposeful.

00:31:04.240 Honor your father and mother.

00:31:05.300 It's repeated by Jesus himself, Matthew 19, 4 through 5, representative of Christ and the

00:31:12.940 church, as we see in Ephesians 5, and therefore is reflective of the gospel.

00:31:19.940 So to be made in God's image is to be made male or female. 0.87

00:31:24.640 This is the basis of not only existence, but also the basis of marriage, which is the basis

00:31:30.880 of the family, which is the foundation of any functioning and flourishing society.

00:31:36.140 So to purposely try to distort that by repudiating God's creation is not only a disruption to society,

00:31:43.300 which then causes chaos.

00:31:45.060 It is not only an assault on the person as an image bearer, but most significantly, it is

00:31:50.360 an affront to God.

00:31:52.020 It is blasphemy.

00:31:53.560 It is the worst form of idolatry because it is self-idolatry.

00:31:57.560 It is an exchange of the God of Scripture for the God of self.

00:32:01.060 At least people who worship, say, a carven image realize that they have to go outside

00:32:07.200 of themselves for the power and for the wisdom that they're looking for.

00:32:11.380 But those who exchange the God of Scripture for the God of self have been so deluded by

00:32:16.660 their idolatry that they actually believe that they are sufficient in themselves to find

00:32:21.440 everything that they need.

00:32:22.600 The God of Scripture demands that we submit to who he says that we are, what he says is

00:32:30.300 good and right and true, whereas the God of self wants to simply submit to every feeling,

00:32:36.440 to every whim.

00:32:37.740 And that is why the burden and the yoke of the God of self is so heavy and so difficult.

00:32:44.840 But the burden that Jesus offers is light and the yoke that Jesus places on us is easy because

00:32:52.360 he tells us who we are.

00:32:54.400 He says our identity.

00:32:55.960 He says what our purpose is.

00:32:57.780 He says where our joy comes from.

00:33:00.240 He is where our joy comes from.

00:33:03.100 We don't have to follow our hearts.

00:33:04.780 We don't have to follow our feelings.

00:33:06.980 We believe in the Jesus who is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

00:33:11.780 Hebrews 13, 8, who also says in Matthew 19, 4 through 5, that we were made male and female.

00:33:17.540 Easy.

00:33:18.420 Easy.

00:33:19.360 We don't have to struggle with the turmoil of trying to figure out who we are and whose

00:33:24.740 we are because God has already told us that is the liberation and the joy and the freedom

00:33:30.960 that comes from Christianity, that comes from the gospel, and the order that comes from the

00:33:36.180 biblical worldview.

00:33:37.100 The worldview that is underlying transgenderism says that who we really are is what we feel

00:33:44.720 on the inside.

00:33:45.780 People will say that Dylan is being himself because he is trying to manifest what he feels.

00:33:51.280 Christianity rejects that form of superficial and distorted authenticity.

00:33:56.580 Christianity rather has a high view of the body as something that is a part of your identity,

00:34:02.760 a high view of physical reality.

00:34:05.080 We believe that God made our bodies from our chromosomes to our extremities.

00:34:09.420 They were purposely designed.

00:34:10.800 We believe that God loves our bodies.

00:34:13.220 1 Corinthians 6, 19 says that the Christian's body is a dwelling place for the Holy Spirit.

00:34:18.200 Jesus is God made flesh.

00:34:20.380 He died a bodily death on the cross and was raised in a bodily resurrection.

00:34:24.740 One day we are going to be raised in a bodily resurrection too.

00:34:28.420 That's how significant to God the body is.

00:34:31.760 That body that he knit together in our mother's womb will one day rise from the tomb.

00:34:39.880 That is how significant our body is to God.

00:34:43.560 Far be it from us to try to distort it or mutilate it or change it to be a different gender than 1.00

00:34:52.120 what God created us to be.

00:34:54.360 We do not as Christians believe it is possible to self-create or self-identify or self-declare

00:35:01.760 because God created us and identified us in the beginning and declares who we are.

00:35:08.900 That is not our responsibility.

00:35:10.200 That is not our job.

00:35:11.680 And I understand there are always going to be people who look for exceptions and say,

00:35:17.000 well, what about intersex?

00:35:18.840 What about people who have chromosomal abnormalities?

00:35:22.160 What do you say about people who have different body parts that put them somewhere in the middle?

00:35:28.800 Okay, that is a disability.

00:35:30.580 That is an anomaly.

00:35:32.440 Just because there are some people that are born with one leg does not mean that human beings are

00:35:37.600 not bipeds.

00:35:38.540 Yes, we understand the rule in that the exception does not rewrite the rule.

00:35:43.540 And someone who is born intersex is not the same as someone who is a man deciding when he is 30 years

00:35:48.360 old that he wants to be a girl.

00:35:51.220 It's not the same thing at all.

00:35:52.760 And I actually think that it's crazy and even rude to try to lump those people who were born with

00:35:59.200 that abnormality into a movement that is primarily driven by sex and the feelings that someone has

00:36:09.440 on the inside.

00:36:11.680 And so that is why, and that's a pretty thorough summary of why I think it is so important for

00:36:17.620 us to talk about this, for us to care about this, especially as Christians.

00:36:21.220 And this is not something to be wishy-washy on.

00:36:24.100 This should be easy for the Christian. 0.99

00:36:25.480 It goes back to the first chapter of the first book of the Bible.

00:36:29.480 If you're not going to be clear on Genesis 127, it is really hard for me to believe that

00:36:35.400 you will be clear on the far more controversial verse in the Bible, which is John 14, 6.

00:36:40.780 Genesis 127, God made us in his image, male and female.

00:36:46.060 He created us.

00:36:46.880 John 14, 6.

00:36:47.840 Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life.

00:36:50.520 No one comes to the Father except through him.

00:36:52.420 The reason I say that is because John 14, 6 is a lot more controversial than Genesis 127.

00:36:58.600 Genesis 127 is seen through reality.

00:37:01.200 I mean, it's seen through science.

00:37:02.680 Even a person who doesn't believe that the Bible is God's inspired word can see that we

00:37:08.320 are made male and female.

00:37:09.740 They may delude themselves into thinking otherwise, but it is scientifically obvious that we are sexually

00:37:15.220 dimorphic.

00:37:16.020 But John 14, 6, saying that Jesus is the only way to heaven, that we are all dead in our

00:37:23.960 sin apart from him, that we need him to be reconciled to the Father, that we need him

00:37:28.940 to forgive us of our sins, to absolve us of our iniquity so we can be free of the bonds

00:37:35.460 of sin today, but also spend eternity with God.

00:37:38.080 That is controversial.

00:37:39.200 The gospel is controversial.

00:37:40.720 I have a hard time believing if you won't go against the culture when it comes to something

00:37:45.140 as obvious as gender, that you're going to go against the culture when it comes to who 0.96

00:37:49.920 Jesus is.

00:37:52.360 So that's just something to chew on.

00:37:54.120 That's something to consider.

00:37:54.960 All right.

00:38:06.240 So I wanted to talk and I wish I had more time to spend on this one because I really kind

00:38:11.420 of wanted to break it down.

00:38:13.200 But with a follow up and a follow up to an episode that I did last week on Herschel Walker

00:38:19.000 and the Christian Walker, his son controversy.

00:38:21.500 The question that I asked was, should Christians vote for Herschel Walker?

00:38:26.040 And I kind of laid out my thought process about that, what I thought about Christian,

00:38:30.020 what I thought about the story about Herschel Walker.

00:38:33.000 Allegedly, according to the Daily Beast, paying for an abortion in 2009, he denies that.

00:38:38.280 I did want to look at the debate between Herschel Walker and his opponent, Democrat Raphael Warnock,

00:38:44.520 who I think from everything that we know about him, not just his values and how he will vote,

00:38:50.360 but also just the stuff about his personal life that has come out, I think is a terrible,

00:38:54.840 terrible candidate, obviously.

00:38:56.680 I mean, he's anti-life.

00:38:58.720 He has anti-every biblical value while calling himself a pastor.

00:39:01.860 So they had a debate in Georgia and Herschel Walker did well.

00:39:05.500 Like people were very impressed by how he did.

00:39:08.420 So let me play you this first clip where Raphael Warnock brings up the allegation that he,

00:39:17.320 that Herschel paid for this abortion in 2009.

00:39:20.860 And here is Herschel Walker's response to that.

00:39:23.800 As I said, that's a lie.

00:39:25.680 And, you know, what most thing I put, I put it in a book.

00:39:28.780 One thing about my life is I've been very transparent, not like the senator.

00:39:33.300 He's hid things.

00:39:34.700 But at the same time, I said, that's a lie.

00:39:36.740 And on abortion, you know, I'm a Christian.

00:39:39.260 I believe in life.

00:39:40.160 And I tell people this, Georgia is a state that respects life.

00:39:44.420 And I'll be a senator that protects life.

00:39:46.660 And I said, that was a lie.

00:39:48.080 And I'm not backing down.

00:39:50.760 OK, so he says that it was a lie.

00:39:53.420 Christian Walker seems to think that it was true and that it was his handwriting on the

00:39:59.760 on the receipt.

00:40:02.460 And so but he is saying, look, I support life.

00:40:06.340 Now, obviously, Raphael Warnock or any of the Democrats in the audience should not have

00:40:11.120 any moral qualms with that because they think that should be totally fine for someone to

00:40:14.700 be paying for an abortion. 1.00

00:40:16.200 I think people are pointing out that it would be hypocritical if that happened.

00:40:19.280 I really hope that it is absolutely not true because it would be hypocritical and it would

00:40:23.800 have been much better for him to be honest about that up front and to say, you know what?

00:40:27.360 I've been sanctified.

00:40:28.960 God saved me from that.

00:40:30.140 And I've repented.

00:40:30.880 And I regret that.

00:40:32.320 I think a lot of people would have a lot of forgiveness in their heart.

00:40:35.600 So I hope that he's not lying.

00:40:37.040 I do hope that he is telling the truth about that.

00:40:38.940 But he handled that question as well as he could.

00:40:42.620 All right.

00:40:43.120 Let's play this next clip.

00:40:44.400 I stand where I've said I stand in the past that a patient's room is too narrow and small

00:40:49.660 and cramped a space for a woman, her doctor and the United States government.

00:40:54.160 We are witnessing right now what happens when politicians, most of most of them men, pile

00:41:01.480 into patients rooms.

00:41:03.040 You get what you're seeing right now.

00:41:04.960 He's a neat talker.

00:41:06.840 But did he not mention that there was a baby in that room as well?

00:41:11.060 And also, did he not mention that he's asking the taxpayer to pay for it?

00:41:18.740 So he's bringing the government back into the room.

00:41:21.140 So he's not talking about that.

00:41:23.580 Mm-hmm.

00:41:24.440 That is a good point.

00:41:26.920 He did really well.

00:41:27.980 Well, first of all, he is much more unassuming and he doesn't have nearly as much pretense

00:41:37.580 as Raphael Warnock does.

00:41:39.500 He seems like a much more down to earth.

00:41:42.640 That's how he comes across.

00:41:43.680 He's a much more down to earth person than Raphael Warnock.

00:41:46.200 He's right.

00:41:47.080 He's a neat talker.

00:41:48.240 He's a smooth talker.

00:41:49.540 He knows how to say things like, oh, the room is too cramped.

00:41:53.840 It's too cramped for the doctor in the United States government and a woman. 0.93

00:41:58.920 And Herschel Walker brought up a great point.

00:42:01.040 There's a baby in that room, too.

00:42:02.880 So if that's your argument that the government has no say in when we kill someone and when

00:42:10.420 someone can be assaulted, then you're basically making the argument that there should be no

00:42:14.080 law at all against murder or against assault.

00:42:16.680 Why is it different just because the human being happens to reside in a woman's womb, 0.99

00:42:20.700 just because the human happens to be small, just because the human being happens to be

00:42:25.040 underdeveloped?

00:42:26.260 That is a justification for it to be legal to murder someone.

00:42:30.220 That seems horrific, especially for someone who considers himself a Christian like Raphael 1.00

00:42:35.540 Warnock.

00:42:36.120 And that's an amazing point, too, that Herschel Walker makes that actually you do want the

00:42:40.760 government.

00:42:41.700 You want the government in the business of abortion because you want the government to force 0.69

00:42:46.660 taxpayers to fund abortions.

00:42:48.820 So you're bringing the government in and you're bringing all the taxpayers in the room.

00:42:52.540 You want to talk about a cramped doctor's room, try to fit the entire state of Georgia

00:42:56.220 and their tax dollars in the doctor's room.

00:42:58.500 And that's exactly what Raphael Warnock wants.

00:43:01.100 There is nothing more wicked than forcing human beings, forcing citizens of the United States 0.99

00:43:06.940 to pay for the slaughter of babies. 0.99

00:43:08.800 And that is what Raphael Warnock wants. 0.83

00:43:10.540 All right.

00:43:12.020 I think we have is it one more clip or OK, here's a clip that a lot of people were talking

00:43:18.880 about online.

00:43:20.700 One thing I have not done.

00:43:22.420 I've never pretended to be a police officer.

00:43:26.600 And and and I've never I've never threatened a shootout with the police.

00:43:32.800 Well, and now I have to respond to that.

00:43:35.600 We are we are moving on.

00:43:37.160 Gentlemen respond to that.

00:43:38.760 And you know what's so funny?

00:43:40.460 I am with many police officers.

00:43:43.340 And at the same time, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, Mr. Walker, excuse me,

00:43:49.320 Mr. Walker.

00:43:50.080 When he said out of respect, I need to let you know, Mr. Walker, you are very well aware

00:43:55.760 of the rules tonight.

00:43:56.960 Yes.

00:43:57.340 And you have a prop that is not allowed, sir.

00:44:00.000 I ask you to put that prop away where it's not a prop.

00:44:03.200 This is real.

00:44:04.320 So a lot of people are talking about that, making fun of Herschel Walker.

00:44:07.300 He was an honorary deputy.

00:44:10.220 I don't think that he ever said, as far as I know, that he was actually, you know, like

00:44:14.260 a police officer in the same way.

00:44:16.620 But he was an honorary deputy and he did help the police force work with people who were

00:44:23.440 having mental health issues.

00:44:24.640 And he has talked about his own mental health episode.

00:44:27.400 So that's what Raphael Warnock was bringing up there.

00:44:31.060 So this is an election to watch.

00:44:33.160 I mean, Raphael Warnock is about as wicked as they come when you're thinking about who

00:44:38.000 to vote for.

00:44:38.720 Go back, listen to my previous episode for just kind of how I am thinking, thinking

00:44:43.640 through that particular election and the difficult allegations, I think, for Christians who want

00:44:50.960 to be thoughtful in how we vote and whom we vote for.

00:45:05.620 All right.

00:45:06.320 There was a whole other story that I wanted to talk about.

00:45:08.500 I don't have time to get into that.

00:45:10.620 I'll respond to it tomorrow or Wednesday because I could have like a whole 30 minute monologue

00:45:15.960 on this particular viral tweet about marriage, but I will talk about it soon.

00:45:20.260 We've got a lot of great interviews tomorrow.

00:45:22.180 I'm super excited.

00:45:23.080 So I am talking to a guest.

00:45:26.120 He goes by the moniker Chris Beats Cancer.

00:45:29.640 And he talks a lot, not just about different ways to combat cancer before your diagnosis

00:45:36.440 or after your diagnosis that I find interesting.

00:45:39.720 But he also talks a lot about pinkwashing and how Breast Cancer Awareness Month is not

00:45:45.460 what you think.

00:45:46.760 And I thought that was fascinating when I first heard it.

00:45:48.900 So he's going to come on the show and explain exactly what he means.

00:45:52.040 If you can think of questions that you have, particularly when it comes to breast cancer,

00:45:57.160 he offers or he believes that veganism can help with these kinds of health issues.

00:46:03.820 And so if you have any questions about that or about pinkwashing, let me know.

00:46:07.800 And I'll try to get those questions to him tomorrow.

00:46:10.420 And I will see you guys back here then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 17, 2022

Ep 692 ｜ Sorry, Ulta： Men Can’t Be Moms

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