Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 693 ｜ The Disturbing Truth About Breast Cancer Awareness Month ｜ Guest： Chris Wark (Chris Beat Cancer)

00:00:00.000 October is Breast Cancer Awareness Month, but ask yourself the question, who is not aware of breast

00:00:08.720 cancer? So what are these organizations that are promoting Breast Cancer Awareness Month really

00:00:14.820 doing? Where is all of our money going? Why are corporations that in some ways are actively

00:00:21.260 working against the health of women selling pink products? What does this all mean? What is the

00:00:28.380 truth about the cancer industry? And is what we are being told about cancer and cancer treatments

00:00:35.860 really true? Today, I am talking to someone who beat cancer himself. He goes by the moniker Chris

00:00:43.180 Beat Cancer, and he is going to tell us in all of his many years of research and talking to experts

00:00:50.840 and through his own cancer journey, what he has learned about the medical industry, about the cancer

00:00:57.920 industry, and about health in general. And I hope that this encourages you. I hope that this

00:01:04.480 empowers you. Of course, this is one perspective, and this is not a replacement for a medical

00:01:13.420 diagnosis. This is also not a demonization of all medicine or all medical treatments or certainly

00:01:19.300 of all doctors. But I thought he gave a really interesting perspective on the industry and

00:01:26.600 on the blight and the tragedy that is cancer. So I hope that this is a starting place for you to

00:01:33.860 read a little bit more about what is going on and to take control of the choices in your life that can

00:01:41.160 determine our health. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to

00:01:46.080 goodranchers.com slash Allie. That's goodranchers.com slash Allie. Now, without further ado, here is our

00:01:52.560 guest, Chris Work. Chris, thank you so much for joining us. Before we get started, can you just tell

00:02:07.100 us who you are and what you do? Well, it's gonna take the whole hour. That's fine. That's fine. So I'm

00:02:15.820 Chris Work. I was diagnosed with stage three colon cancer when I was 26 years old. That was in December

00:02:21.720 2003, just a couple days before Christmas. And I was rushed into surgery. They took out a third of my

00:02:28.920 colon. That's the large intestine for anyone that doesn't know human anatomy very well. And which at that

00:02:35.540 time I didn't. And they found a golf ball sized tumor. And when I woke up from surgery, they said,

00:02:42.900 it's worse than we thought. You're stage three. We were hoping you'd be stage two. You're stage two

00:02:47.240 with colon cancer that you have surgery at that time. After surgery, they just send you home and

00:02:51.840 you're done. Stage three means it's spread to your lymph nodes. So my next step was nine to 12 months of

00:02:58.900 chemotherapy. And a couple things happened. Well, first of all, I'm a Christian. I'm a believer.

00:03:05.880 And so, I mean, a cancer diagnosis is horrifying, right? It's so shocking, so traumatic. A lot of

00:03:11.840 patients end up with very similar PTSD type symptoms just from the diagnosis. Right. Because it's so

00:03:21.060 traumatic. And it didn't affect me that badly, but it was still terrible. But I was reminded of a

00:03:33.860 scripture, which is Romans 8, 28, which says, we know that God works all things for the good of those

00:03:38.820 who love him, who are called according to his purpose. And so I was like, wow, if I believe this

00:03:45.140 is true, right? If I believe the Bible's true, if it is God's word, then I guess I need to believe 0.98

00:03:52.660 that he's going to work this for my good. So it was a real challenge to my faith. But I decided to

00:04:01.820 believe, right? I was like, okay, I don't like this. I wish my life was different, but I'm just going to

00:04:08.480 trust that God's going to work it for my good somehow. Yeah. Spoiler, he did. Yeah. Right. I

00:04:15.500 didn't die. But in the midst of that, you know, I'm in the hospital that after surgery, they brought

00:04:24.240 in my first meal and it was a sloppy Joe, which is kind of like the worst cafeteria food you can think

00:04:35.240 of. Right. Like as far as I knew, the only place you'd get sloppy Joe's would be like the military 0.59

00:04:38.980 or, you know, summer camp or prison. Right. Right. Right. Nobody likes them. And so that was

00:04:47.640 kind of strange. I was like, why are they serving this to me? Why are they serving this horrible food

00:04:52.360 to sick people? This is junk food. This is not good. And I wasn't a healthy guy. I wasn't eating

00:04:57.760 health food. Well, that's what I was going to ask because you were 26 years old. You got diagnosed

00:05:02.720 with colon cancer, which I don't know how likely that is for a 26 year old. I'm guessing that it's

00:05:08.160 pretty unlikely. But before we kind of get into after the diagnosis and after your surgery,

00:05:15.100 were you, you said that you weren't living a healthy lifestyle. Were you health conscious at all? Did

00:05:20.080 this come as a huge surprise or were you kind of like, well, my lifestyle is kind of not really

00:05:26.900 helping me out when it comes to preventing these kinds of sicknesses like cancer?

00:05:32.720 Well, I was not eating healthy. I was a junk food connoisseur for sure. Fast food, junk food

00:05:40.020 every day. I had a background in healthy, healthy living. My mom was always into health food and I

00:05:47.420 worked at a wild oats, which got bought out by Whole Foods. And so like I was around that in college.

00:05:53.740 So I knew what juicing was. I knew what wheatgrass was. I knew what organic was. I wasn't eating that

00:05:58.740 way. Um, I, I, I thought it made sense. I thought it was a good idea, but I was really busy and I was

00:06:05.120 working and I'd been married for two years and I was trying to build a business and you know, I was

00:06:09.540 just living on the run. And so you, you asked me about it being rare. Yeah, it's extremely rare for

00:06:14.820 young adults. It was then, but colon cancer is one of the fastest growing segments of cancer in young

00:06:21.860 people, right? I don't mean that the tumors are growing fast. I mean, more young people are getting

00:06:27.460 colon cancers than ever before. And colon cancer is primarily driven by our diet. It's a primarily

00:06:35.400 diet driven cancer. And then a lot of cancers are in fact, up to 90% of cancers are caused by three

00:06:42.560 factors, diet, lifestyle, and environment. That, that makes up the majority of cancers in this. There's

00:06:50.780 sort of a pervasive myth or misunderstanding that most cancers are genetic or hereditary.

00:06:56.580 It's not true. It's maybe 5% of cancers are genetic and you know, doesn't matter what you do

00:07:03.500 kind of thing. But even that, even knowing that, like there's a study of science called epigenetics,

00:07:09.060 which is the study of gene expression. And we know now through this field of research that

00:07:15.660 your diet and lifestyle and environment affect how your genes express themselves. So they can promote

00:07:24.200 cancer causing genes or they can suppress cancer causing genes and your diet can promote anti-cancer

00:07:31.640 genetic function in your body. So again, this all boils back to your choices, right? Your choices have

00:07:37.720 such a huge impact on your life and your health. Surprise, right? Yeah. Your choices create your

00:07:43.960 life. Yes. And, and let's go back to how you started to figure this out or when this journey

00:07:49.640 started. So let's go back to the sloppy Joe moment when you realized, okay, they just took out a part of

00:07:55.520 my intestine and they gave me something that you're saying is really bad for your intestines, this sloppy

00:08:01.960 Joe meal in the hospital. So is that meal, what started kind of the wheels turning for you? And then

00:08:07.700 what did it look like from there? That started the wheels turning. And then the next thing that

00:08:13.220 happened in the hospital was a few days later, they told me I could go home and my surgeon came in to

00:08:18.880 check on me one more time. And, uh, I, we were just having a conversation and I just happened to say,

00:08:23.060 Hey, is there any food I need to avoid? Because in my mind I was thinking like, I, you know, what am I

00:08:28.440 allowed to eat? Are there certain foods that are off limits? They just cut out a section of the tube,

00:08:33.100 right? Right. All the, everything you eat is going down the tube. This is the front, you know,

00:08:37.460 where the back is. I don't want to mess anything up. And, uh, and he was like, no, just don't lift

00:08:42.040 anything heavier than a beer. Than a beer. Wow. Yeah. So, I mean, I'm like, okay. Right. Yeah. I'm

00:08:52.980 thinking, um, well, my doctors don't care what I eat. Doesn't matter apparently. And I don't think

00:09:01.000 that's true, but they're telling me, and this is what they tell most cancer patients. It doesn't matter

00:09:06.300 what you eat. No, you don't need to eat more vegetables. No, you just go. In fact, here's a

00:09:11.620 sheet of dietary recommendations for you when you do chemo, uh, ice cream, milkshakes, pizza, burgers.

00:09:20.320 It's like, go basically. It's like, we just feel sorry for you because you have cancer. So just go

00:09:27.380 enjoy your favorite unhealthy junkie comfort foods. Wow. So did you have to go through chemotherapy?

00:09:33.300 So here's what happened next. I know I'm jumping around. Oh, that's okay. That's fine.

00:09:40.520 So I get home, I'm recovering from surgery and I weaned myself off the pain medication. And as I

00:09:49.500 sobered up, I just realized, you know, okay, like, what am I going to do? And I thought about, I knew

00:09:56.780 what I'd seen, what chemotherapy does to people. I've, we've all seen it. We've seen what these drugs do to

00:10:02.480 people and it can be pretty horrifying. And I just thought, is that going to be me? You know,

00:10:08.280 that, that is going to be me. And so I had a lot of internal resistance to taking a highly poisonous

00:10:16.520 cocktail of drugs that was going to make me sick. And my hair was going to fall out and I was going

00:10:20.960 to lose weight and couldn't eat. And you know, who knows, is it going to cure me? Is it, what's it

00:10:25.360 going to do? And, um, we all know lots of people that have gone through chemo and didn't work and

00:10:30.120 they died. So I'm, all these thoughts are kind of swirling and I just had this, I just didn't

00:10:37.240 have peace about doing chemotherapy. So my wife and I prayed about it and I just said, God, if

00:10:40.400 there's another way besides chemotherapy, please show me like this doesn't feel right. I don't

00:10:44.380 know what to do. And a couple of days later, I got a book that was sent to me from a man who was a

00:10:49.340 friend of my dad's and the guy who wrote that book, his name's George Malcomus. And, uh, he had

00:10:54.780 healed himself of colon cancer with a raw food diet with fruits and vegetables and juicing

00:10:59.500 his body healed. And that was the first I I'd ever heard or read about or even thought about

00:11:05.780 like, Oh, your body can heal. That's interesting, right? Your body creates this and it can also

00:11:11.460 heal it, but you have to make massive changes to your life. You have to get to the root causes

00:11:16.700 of your disease and remove those from your life. So that's, that kind of set me on a completely

00:11:22.700 different path of empowerment and exploration and research to try to understand what I was

00:11:32.520 doing in my life that could have contributed to my disease and what I could do to help myself

00:11:36.200 get well. So that's where it started. Now, yeah, go ahead. So I, and by the way, I, I converted

00:11:46.300 overnight to a raw food diet overnight. I was like, this makes a lot of sense.

00:11:51.560 So you read the book, you saw, you heard the testimony and you were like, okay, I'm just

00:11:56.320 going to do it.

00:11:57.740 Yes. And sometimes it just takes one person's story, right? To change your life, to inspire

00:12:03.060 you to do something. And I was excited about doing it because one, just out of curiosity,

00:12:09.180 what would happen if I only ate fruits and vegetables raw, uncooked, all organic? Like this

00:12:15.620 has to be good. I'm just thinking this has got to be good. And then started juicing too. So I bought

00:12:21.500 a juicer immediately. I went to whole foods, I loaded up the carton and with fruits and vegetables.

00:12:25.560 And I was like, I'm just doing, I'm doing it right. I'm doing this. And it gave me so much,

00:12:30.700 um, you know, it gave me my power back because what happens to cancer patients is they go to these,

00:12:36.780 they go to the clinic and they're told you have whatever name type of cancer. And they're told

00:12:41.620 there's nothing you did to contribute to your disease. Therefore, there's nothing you can do

00:12:46.480 to help yourself. As I said earlier, no, it doesn't matter what you eat. No, don't get on

00:12:50.880 the internet. No, it's not stress, right? It's nothing that you did. You are a powerless victim

00:12:56.900 of disease. Yeah. And you know, that victimhood mentality basically cripples you, right? When you

00:13:06.860 don't believe you have any power to help yourself, right? Then you're, you're handicapped. You're 1.00

00:13:11.720 crippled, right? You're disabled. And so the patients, you know, they leave these appointments, 1.00

00:13:17.580 uh, completely helpless and hopeless. And they go home and say, well, my doctor said, I don't,

00:13:23.020 I don't have to change my diet. Right. And, uh, in the meantime, their only hope is that treatment

00:13:31.320 will cure them, right? This is your only, the only thing you can do to help yourself is just show up

00:13:35.140 for treatment. That's it. And, uh, and it's just false. It's a lie. There's so much published

00:13:40.920 research, so much evidence on diet and lifestyle for cancer prevention and survival. I mean, there's

00:13:47.920 more than you can even read. I mean, I summarize a lot of it in my first book, which is called

00:13:51.860 Crispy Cancer. But I mean, there's way more out there than I could even cram into one book.

00:13:56.440 Right. And doctors are not taught this in med school. It's not fringe science. It's just

00:14:02.900 nutritional science. So when you told your doctor who recommended the chemotherapy, no,

00:14:20.620 I'm not going through chemotherapy. What was the reaction?

00:14:24.740 Well, so the appointment was, was interesting. I go to the clinic and by the way, I changed my diet,

00:14:31.140 right? Overnight. And then all of a sudden people around me started to get real nervous

00:14:35.200 and, and family members started calling and saying, Hey, uh, we heard you're thinking about

00:14:40.400 not doing chemo and, and you, you have to do chemo. You have to do what the doctor says.

00:14:46.080 Don't you think if there was something better, they would know about it?

00:14:50.200 And I heard things like, you know, I had a friend that tried alternative therapies and they died.

00:14:54.320 And I'm like, wow, this is not, this is not making me feel very good.

00:14:59.060 Of course. Yeah.

00:14:59.920 This is not helpful. And these people love me, right? They love me, but they,

00:15:02.860 they thought I was making a huge mistake and that I just lost my mind.

00:15:06.280 Yeah.

00:15:06.840 And they didn't understand that I was actually trying harder to save my life than,

00:15:12.260 uh, than any other cancer patient. I, you know, I knew. So, um, I was coerced

00:15:20.340 into going to this oncology appointment. I just did it to appease my family members. And

00:15:28.900 we were sitting in the waiting room and the TV's on and outcomes, Jack LaLanne. Do you know who Jack

00:15:37.120 LaLanne is? I don't. So Jack LaLanne was the original health and wellness fitness kind of, uh,

00:15:45.760 influencer. And he started back on black and white television, wrote a bunch of books,

00:15:52.100 lived to be, I don't know, around 90. And he was probably in his late eighties at this time.

00:15:56.420 And, uh, and he comes out and he starts going off. He even sold juicers. He had like a juicer

00:16:01.440 in for commercial for a while and stuff. But anyway, he goes, starts going off about nutrition

00:16:05.020 on one of the morning shows. This is why we're all so sick. We're eating all this man-made food,

00:16:08.500 processed food and junk food, and we're not eating fruits and vegetables. If man-made it,

00:16:13.000 don't eat it. It's on the television, right? While I'm in the cancer clinic. And I'm like,

00:16:17.140 I can't believe this is on right now. So it's like a little mini miracle, you know,

00:16:22.100 then we go back and see the oncologist and it was just such a bad, it was just, it went so bad.

00:16:27.560 It went bad really fast. And I was not determined not to do chemo, right? We just went there,

00:16:35.240 went in there to hear what he had to say. And he just gave me this boilerplate. Look,

00:16:38.480 you got a 60% chance of living five years with, you know, young adult colon cancer. It's very

00:16:43.340 aggressive. And that's with treatment. And I'm like, 60% chance of living five years. I mean,

00:16:48.580 that's barely better than 50%, which is a coin toss. And so I, I happened to ask him, you know,

00:16:59.520 well, what about the raw food diet? Cause I'd been on it for about a week. And he said, no,

00:17:02.580 you can't do that. It'll fight the chemo. And I'm like, well, that I don't like that. That

00:17:06.660 doesn't make sense. What does that mean? Like it will make the chemo less effective?

00:17:11.540 Well, what I learned later was that there, there was a long standing belief in oncology that

00:17:19.020 cancer patients needed to eat what they call a neutropenic diet, which means basically all

00:17:24.500 cooked food because their chemotherapy wipes out your immune system. So they're afraid that the

00:17:29.660 otherwise harmless bacteria on an apple or a piece of lettuce is going to cause a big problem in your

00:17:35.440 body. Cause you have no immune system. So that's, I think probably part of what he meant. And the

00:17:41.260 other part was, you know, a raw food diet is a very, uh, very nutritious and, uh, aggressive

00:17:47.980 detoxification diet. And so, uh, you know, when your body is detoxing, chemotherapy doesn't linger.

00:17:55.220 Uh, the drugs don't linger as long as they want them to, they don't cause as much damage and

00:17:59.660 destruction. And so that might be part of it too. But anyway, he said that, and it was weird to me.

00:18:06.120 And then I said, well, are there any alternative therapies available? And at that point it was like,

00:18:12.100 literally I asked the guy two questions and that, and he had just had it with me, two questions.

00:18:18.940 And so he, he was frustrated that you were even asking the questions.

00:18:22.980 Yes. That's right. This is very common. Yeah. And this is how you can tell if you've got a good

00:18:27.780 doctor or not, by the way. Uh, if they're patient and they're willing to answer your questions and

00:18:31.980 they're kind, right. And, um, caring, you know, if they're short with you and they talk down to you

00:18:38.180 and act like they know everything and you're stupid, then you need to find another doctor.

00:18:42.040 It does feel like a lot of doctors, not to go off on a tangent, but you know, I haven't been to an

00:18:47.200 oncologist, but just in my own experience, especially as a mom, you do find that a lot of

00:18:52.740 doctors are almost offended by your curiosity that you would dare question them because they

00:18:58.040 almost take it personally. Like you're questioning their credentials. You're questioning their

00:19:02.560 authority. Kind of like, it's almost like they're implicitly asking the question that you asked

00:19:06.940 earlier. Well, if there was something better than this, don't you think I would know? Don't you think

00:19:11.460 I would tell you? And they make you kind of, they kind of gaslight you into feeling crazy or like

00:19:16.760 a kook or something or a quack. And really like, you're just kind of taking an interest in your

00:19:22.080 health, but it's almost like some doctors don't want you to, which is a little bizarre.

00:19:28.520 It's very bizarre. And I have a lot of dear friends that are doctors that are amazing,

00:19:32.760 that are really good doctors and very health and wellness conscious. I've interviewed a ton of them.

00:19:37.700 And so I don't want to throw all doctors under the bus, but yet it is very common for a conventionally

00:19:42.740 trained doctor who has not taken the time to educate themselves on nutrition and nutritional science

00:19:49.240 to, to be very defensive, uh, when you question anything they do. And so that's what happened to

00:19:55.660 me. And he, he just became, you know, condescending and started just, he just started talking and

00:20:00.680 talking and talking, basically trying to talk me into chemotherapy and, you know, saying, uh, in so

00:20:05.100 many words, if you don't do this, you're going to die. And at one point during his diatribe, the,

00:20:10.480 the, you know, I kind of went into the deer in the headlights mode. It was like,

00:20:14.820 he was saying a bunch of stuff and I just, I don't remember most of it, but, uh, but one thing

00:20:20.360 he said that stood out and I'll never forget was he said, look, man, you know, I'm not saying this

00:20:25.700 because I need your business. And I just thought, what, like, what do you, this isn't a conversation

00:20:33.080 about business. Like what is, I wasn't even thinking about the cancer industry and the business

00:20:39.500 side and the profit side of cancer treatment at all. But now I am. Uh, and, and I, what I can tell

00:20:46.300 you now, I mean, every cancer patient is worth roughly $300,000 in revenue, uh, and upwards of a

00:20:52.720 million dollars of revenue from surgeries, from drug therapies, from breast reconstruction, from nipple

00:20:58.660 tattoos, right? Wigs. I mean, like multiple hospital visits. And, uh, so it's a major, major profit

00:21:07.100 and money-making, uh, enterprise. For the doctors, for the hospitals, for just drug companies, for

00:21:14.140 pharmaceutical companies, everyone down the line, they're making a lot of profit from each cancer

00:21:19.800 patient you're saying. That's right. That's right. And at that time, private practice oncologists

00:21:25.580 made up to two thirds of their income from the profit off of chemotherapy drugs. Think about two

00:21:32.380 thirds. So 60% of their income comes from the profit off the drugs that their

00:21:37.100 telling you, you have to take to live, uh, which is the only segment of medicine where doctors are

00:21:42.220 allowed to profit off the drugs they give you. They're not allowed to do that for any other

00:21:46.140 pharmaceutical, but in the cancer world, they do. And I talk about this in my book in more detail,

00:21:53.220 but basically the government tried to crack down on this because they realized this is a huge problem.

00:21:59.660 It's a perverse incentive, right? Doctors said you need chemo because that's how they paid for their

00:22:03.980 house, you know, their, their, their vacation home and their boat and, you know, their kids' private

00:22:09.020 school tuition. Uh, and so they, they changed the law and to, to limit this, the markup on chemotherapy

00:22:18.300 drugs. And what doctors did was they, they quickly wised up and started, uh, prescribing more drug

00:22:26.220 appointments to make up for the loss in revenue. So like they got around it pretty quickly. Um,

00:22:35.020 but, uh, but so that's, yeah, that's, that's what's happening. That's just a little taste of

00:22:38.300 what's happening behind the scenes in the cancer treatment world. But I have, I have a free guide.

00:22:42.300 It's called 20 questions for your oncologist. It's on every page of my website,

00:22:46.940 chrispeatcancer.com. And in that guide, it will give you all the questions you need to ask if you're

00:22:53.660 a patient or a caregiver, because the biggest problem is cancer patients. They don't know

00:22:58.540 anything about the drugs, about treatment, about their disease. Like they just don't know anything.

00:23:03.260 I didn't know anything.

00:23:15.100 That seems to be true for a lot of patients, not just cancer patients. Most people have no idea what

00:23:21.820 they're being diagnosed with. And I've had this in my own life when I ask, okay, well, is there

00:23:27.340 anything I can do? Even if you say, okay, in addition to taking your recommendation doctor,

00:23:33.660 is there anything else I can do to also help my thyroid or whatever? It's also, nope,

00:23:39.340 nope, nothing's going to make a difference. You only can take this pill and that's it. And let's

00:23:43.840 hope for the best. And one day we'll take your thyroid out and that'll be the end of it. I'm like,

00:23:47.620 really? There's nothing else I could do to support myself and well-meaning doctors that are,

00:23:54.200 you know, I mean, I think they want to do the right thing. They will literally look you in the

00:23:59.360 eye and tell you, no, there is absolutely nothing that you can do to benefit your health. So it's

00:24:04.320 not even just exclusive to the cancer industry. That's correct. This is the way, unfortunately,

00:24:11.680 doctors are trained. And you have to understand the pharmaceutical industry really is the puppet master

00:24:17.320 of medical care. They have cornered the market on medicine. So medicine means a drug, right? You're

00:24:26.300 not allowed to say anything's medicine unless it's a drug. And they funded, they funded med schools for

00:24:33.340 many, many decades. I mean, the better part of a hundred years now, they, they wrote medical school

00:24:39.500 curriculum. They fund the research departments. I mean, they really control the whole medical industry.

00:24:45.840 And the reason is, is they want drugs to be prescribed to funnel back up. That's, that's the

00:24:51.900 profit, right? And so, gosh, we saw a lot of that for the past couple of years, demonizing what they

00:24:58.700 called, what they said was not medicine, but they would deride as something like horse storm or

00:25:04.260 whatever, or even outside of a pharmaceutical, they would say that's just quack science. And there's

00:25:10.180 nothing that you can do except for, you know, come in the hospital and take whatever we want to give

00:25:17.740 you. There's basically nothing. So I do think a lot of people, thankfully, I guess, silver lining are

00:25:23.340 a little bit more aware of what you're talking about. I hope so. I feel like that's a silver 1.00

00:25:27.500 lining too of the last two years is that people, I hope we're rabbit trailing a little bit, but it's

00:25:34.780 fine because I like talking about this, but like, I hope your, your audience and folks out there, I hope

00:25:41.840 they noticed when doctors, let me put it this way. If you were in charge or I was in charge or pretty

00:25:52.000 much anybody I know was in charge and there was a pandemic, there's just some crazy, you know, really

00:25:57.640 dangerous germ out there that, that was, uh, killing people. The first thing I would do if I

00:26:05.360 was in charge is I would say, okay, we don't know what to do. Right. But we have expert trained

00:26:11.980 physicians on the front lines in hospitals all over the country and do your best, right? Do your best

00:26:20.780 to help these people live and tell us what's working, right? Tell us what's working and let's,

00:26:29.280 let's get a handle on this really quickly and try to figure out the best protocols. We don't have time

00:26:35.140 to do a giant randomized, double blind, placebo controlled trial. Like just tell us what's working

00:26:39.940 on the front lines. If people aren't dying, okay, great. Let's try, you know, these drug combinations,

00:26:44.780 right. You know? And so, and, and, and that's what in the beginning was happening. Doctors started

00:26:52.180 reporting, Hey, we're using this drug or that drug and our patients seem to be doing fine. They're not

00:26:55.360 dying. And those doctors were deleted off of social media, uh, censored and, and, and then had their

00:27:03.140 reputations completely destroyed by just these, I don't know, these people just coming out of nowhere, 1.00

00:27:08.900 writing hit pieces about doctors who were like, what are you talking about? I'm just saving people's

00:27:13.780 lives here in the hospital. Like, you know, we got a couple of generic off-label drugs we're using

00:27:18.300 and, and it's working. So what's the problem? So like, I hope it wasn't a big enough, big enough

00:27:25.280 wake up call, but I hope in retrospect, people can think back and realize, Oh yeah, that is what

00:27:30.560 happened. Why did that happen? Well, it happened because you can't rush a drug into market in an

00:27:35.820 emergency if there are already drugs that are working. Right. So there was a concerted effort to

00:27:41.880 suppress any existing drug that was helpful in order to rush in a brand new drug to make billions

00:27:49.900 and billions and billions of dollars. And that's, yeah, that's what they did. Yeah, they did it.

00:27:54.940 They, they were successful. And, um, so, so, you know, but back to just medicine in general,

00:28:01.280 yeah, doctors are, they're trained in a very specific narrow window, which is, you know,

00:28:06.660 it's funny. The doctor, a lot of doctors are, you know, a doctor of internal medicine.

00:28:11.800 That means you're a doctor of drugs. That's what you are. Internal medicine, that's drugs. You've

00:28:16.020 been trained to memorize, uh, diseases and to memorize the drugs to give for the diseases.

00:28:22.760 You've not been trained in how to help a patient change their life to heal the disease. You've just

00:28:28.280 been trained on how to cut a body part out, how to give a drug for a disease. In some cases,

00:28:33.700 to save a life with antibiotics, for example, for a life-threatening infection, uh, or to give

00:28:39.060 chemotherapy or radiation treatments for cancer. And, you know, and so the doctors come out with

00:28:45.540 all of this knowledge about how to do that stuff. And it's very complicated, but no knowledge on how

00:28:51.100 to actually prevent cancer, how to prevent disease, how to reverse disease with nutrition

00:28:56.640 and diet and lifestyle choices. And we know that most chronic diseases are caused by our diet and

00:29:02.560 lifestyle. So cancer, heart disease, diabetes, uh, autoimmune diseases. There are so many

00:29:08.440 and they're called Western diseases, by the way. The reason these are called Western diseases or

00:29:14.080 diseases of affluence is because, uh, countries that have a lot of money have a lot worse rates of

00:29:21.720 cancer, heart disease, and diabetes than countries that are very poor. Right. Why is that right? 0.99

00:29:28.060 Because we're eating all of this processed, man-made factory farmed food. It's not helping. And we've

00:29:35.520 become so comfortable. We're not exercising. We're not moving. We're overweight. So, and then the,

00:29:41.420 and the, the bad lifestyle habits all sort of feed into that. And so it, you know, it's breast cancer

00:29:48.240 prevention month right now, which is a giant, it's just a giant crock. It's a scam.

00:29:54.620 Yeah. Um, tell, tell us more about that. And then at the end, cause we are going down on rabbit trails,

00:29:59.380 which I love, I love a rabbit trail, but we are going to loop it back just so people,

00:30:04.960 if they're wondering, wait, how did you actually beat cancer? What did that look like? How did,

00:30:09.260 when you left the oncology office, how did everything go? So we will make it back to that.

00:30:14.440 But since you brought up breast cancer awareness month, I do want to go down that trail now. So you

00:30:20.140 say that it's a huge crock. A lot of people have heard about, uh, pink washing where these companies

00:30:26.280 will put, well, they'll sell products, maybe even a little bit more expensively that are, uh, pink

00:30:32.960 and they don't really do anything again to promote health or prevention. They're just doing it in the

00:30:40.660 same way that a lot of companies promote pride month, just because that's the thing that you do.

00:30:46.200 But tell us more about that. Like, why is it such a huge crock? What do you mean by that? I had never

00:30:50.840 heard of that before this year. Yeah. Well, so think about what, what are we doing, right? What

00:30:57.100 exactly is happening? What are we doing? Breast cancer awareness. Is there anyone out there that

00:31:03.100 is not aware of breast cancer? Right. I don't think so. I think we're all aware. So just the title,

00:31:11.300 it makes no sense. No one needs awareness about breast cancer because we're all aware of it.

00:31:17.380 First of all, second of all, you're right. Most companies that are doing pink products,

00:31:22.240 pink ribbons, they're just doing it for publicity to look like they care. And whatever tiny little

00:31:28.960 fraction of money they donate from the sales of the pink ribbon diet Cokes or the pink ribbon,

00:31:35.100 the pink KFC chicken buckets or the money that you give, because you care and you want to do

00:31:41.820 something. Right. And so I'm not, I'm not bashing anyone that's given to cancer charities or Komen

00:31:46.360 because you gave because you're a generous, wonderful person. But you got, you say Komen,

00:31:51.180 you mean the Susan G. Komen Foundation. Susan G. Komen. Right. So you, you gave because you care.

00:31:59.260 Right. But I'm going to be a little bit of a party pooper here because you need to understand where

00:32:04.000 your money goes. So Komen, for example, and this is pretty common with a lot of cancer charities,

00:32:08.560 they only give about 20% of the money they raise to cancer research. Right. And you think,

00:32:16.040 so it's like, gosh, that's pretty weak. 80% of it is going to salaries and budget and marketing

00:32:22.380 just to further their brand. So there's a lot of money just totally wasted. Number two,

00:32:28.760 the 20% that goes to cancer research. What does that mean? That means we're giving free money

00:32:36.580 to drug companies to develop drugs that they're going to patent and then sell back to you

00:32:43.540 for enormous profits.

00:32:46.320 So that's where those, that's where that money is going. That money is going to pharmaceutical

00:32:50.940 companies or, okay. Yes. Who don't really need the donations, right?

00:32:57.220 They, they don't need research money. And this is the lie. This is the con is that we, we can't do

00:33:04.680 it without your help. We were, the cure is right around the corner. We just, wait a minute, look at

00:33:11.620 this bald child. Now, will you give us some money, please? Oh, please just search your heart,

00:33:19.440 right? It's this really gross manipulate, psychological, emotional manipulation to

00:33:26.140 convince you to part with your money, to give to drug companies, to patent drugs, to sell you.

00:33:31.660 And the reality is, um, most of the drugs, most of the research, research fails. Most of the drugs

00:33:40.000 make no impact whatsoever. And they're rushed to market in the cancer industry, just like they were

00:33:45.700 with that drug, uh, for the germ that went around the world. And, um, they make no impact whatsoever.

00:33:52.480 So many years ago, I started a campaign called give to patients, not to Komen, which is a very

00:33:58.440 simple idea. If you want to be generous, if you want to help out, find a cancer patient and give them

00:34:03.820 some money. Don't give it to me. I don't need it. Like give it directly to a patient. They've got

00:34:11.220 medical bills. They need gas, groceries, their rent, their mortgage payment, right? Their kids

00:34:16.660 clothes. I mean, give money to a cancer patient. Like I guarantee you a hundred percent of it will

00:34:25.020 be used, right? In a way that is needed. Right. Right. Versus giving money to drug companies that

00:34:31.400 make billions and billions of dollars. That's the big scam. They don't need your money. They have so

00:34:36.920 much money to fund their own research. And the truth is drug companies spend more money on marketing

00:34:43.240 than they do on research. And we all see the drug ads, right? But what a lot of people don't know is

00:34:50.740 that they spend more money marketing drugs to doctors than they do to the public. And when a drug

00:34:58.040 expires, when the patent expires, the marketing stops. So it doesn't matter how good the drug was or

00:35:05.120 whatever, as soon as the patent expires, they don't care anymore. And they stopped promoting it

00:35:09.980 because they've already developed a replacement for it. That's patent protected that they're going

00:35:14.940 to market instead of the one that has been on the market and probably works fine or whatever.

00:35:19.940 So this is the game that drug companies do. It's always about what's the, how can we create a new drug

00:35:25.840 that we can patent and make a lot of money on because the old drug is about to go off patent.

00:35:31.240 So at the end of the day, what we have, you've heard the terms evidence-based medicine

00:35:35.900 or science-based medicine. These are industry created terms, by the way. Evidence implies proof.

00:35:43.560 Science implies truth. So they're trying to say we have proven medicines, right? And our science has

00:35:51.860 proven them to be true and the best, most effective medicines for your disease. It's evidence-based.

00:35:57.840 But the reality is evidence-based medicine is really patent-based, profit-based medicine because

00:36:04.300 they ignore all of the science that exists on nutrition and lifestyle for health and disease

00:36:13.720 prevention and reversal. They ignore all that science. They only focus on the science that

00:36:18.520 can lead to a patented, highly profitable drug.

00:36:31.540 How are doctors incentivized to go along with this?

00:36:36.860 Well, they're indoctrinated in med school, right? So, I mean, that's not just four years of med school.

00:36:42.780 I mean, it takes almost two decades to become a doctor. You got med school, you got residency,

00:36:50.080 you got private practice training and internships and all this kind of stuff. It takes a long time

00:36:56.760 to become established as a successful physician. And so being in that world, in that bubble for that

00:37:05.240 long, you know, you're just going to sort of, you just come to believe that that's the way it is,

00:37:10.840 right? Everywhere you turn, you're told there's no cure for this disease, but there's a drug for it.

00:37:15.400 This is the best drug we've got, you know, and science, right? Science.

00:37:19.960 Yeah.

00:37:20.340 And we're following the latest and the best science out there. What they're not told is like, oh yeah,

00:37:24.520 there's a whole huge world of nutritional science where people are healing. They're getting well

00:37:28.500 by changing their life.

00:37:29.980 Um, but there's no money there. There's no money in food. There's no money in exercise. There's no

00:37:35.640 money in forgiveness. You know, there's no money in stress reduction. The money is in drugs. And, um,

00:37:44.800 and that's why we have such a, uh, uh, colossal healthcare dilemma in the United States because

00:37:52.460 the drug companies have so much influence on healthcare and medicine and medical, um, practice,

00:38:01.240 right? It's a medical pharmaceutical industrial complex that, um, doctors are not told how to,

00:38:08.400 they don't know what health is. I mean, most doctors, you know, they're overweight. They're

00:38:13.740 just like regular Americans. They're overweight. They drink too much. Some of them still smoke 1.00

00:38:17.740 cigarettes. They're taking pharmaceutical drugs themselves for depression and anxiety and, you

00:38:23.440 know, chronic inflammation and pain. And what, you know, they're, they're, they're just as unhealthy

00:38:28.400 as almost everybody else they're treating. Right. Right. So the good news is there's, there's a,

00:38:35.960 an emerging movement of physicians that are practicing what's called lifestyle medicine,

00:38:42.260 where a patient comes in and they say, okay, well, what are you eating? Tell me what you're eating.

00:38:47.480 What is your daily routine look like? What is your work routine look like? What is your home life

00:38:51.500 like? Talk to me about your relationship. So it's, this is a holistic approach to help someone

00:38:56.140 really solve their problems. Cause at the end of the day, we are the cause of most of the problems

00:39:02.280 in our life. It's, you know, and so if you take that approach, which I did, my big epiphany was

00:39:06.900 the way I'm living is killing me. Right. Right. Like, and this is, I'm not going to beat myself up or

00:39:13.600 crawl in a hole and feel sorry for myself. I'm going to change my life. Right. If,

00:39:17.880 if I was contributing to my illness, then maybe I can contribute to my wellness and that's personal

00:39:27.600 responsibility. Yes. Sorry. I just got to add on to that. Cause I want you to keep going, but

00:39:32.440 that, you know, it's interesting how, like, it really shouldn't be a part of kind of the culture

00:39:37.040 wars that we're in or like the political moment that we're in. And yet it is because there is a

00:39:43.420 part of the cultural shift, the progressive cultural shift that we're in that really does

00:39:49.780 demonize things like personal responsibility. And they call it shaming. They call it victim blaming

00:39:54.480 or in this context, they'll call it fat shaming or fat phobia. And I've even seen nutrition pages

00:40:02.160 or so-called nutrition pages, especially those that kind of tell you what to feed your toddler

00:40:07.020 say things. There's no such thing as a healthy food. There's no such thing as an unhealthy food.

00:40:12.520 It's all relative. It all depends on where you live and what you have access to. So this kind of

00:40:18.180 moral relativism, this kind of idea of your truth, my truth, whatever is good for you is good for you.

00:40:24.060 And there is no objective reality that, you know, there's no objective standard that we should be

00:40:29.400 trying to reach. That contributes, I think, to this idea that, well, doctors should be just there

00:40:36.600 to tell you that you're doing awesome. They should never make you feel bad. They should never recommend

00:40:42.520 something that you don't want to do. It shouldn't be about accountability. It should just be about

00:40:47.840 making your life as easy and as comfortable as possible.

00:40:52.640 Some of my favorite doctors are the ones that will just tell you like it is, right? And they're not

00:40:58.740 afraid to tell you like, hey, you're screwing up, right? Here's why you're sick. Let me just tell

00:41:04.600 you. And, you know, I'm glad you brought that up. I'm so glad because here's the reality. This is the

00:41:14.180 truth. The number one cause of cancer is smoking cigarettes. The number one cause, right? Nobody was

00:41:24.240 born a smoker. We all chose to smoke cigarettes, right? And, and we have, if we've smoked and we

00:41:31.020 continue to smoke, we choose. Every time we open a pack and light a cigarette, it's a choice. Okay.

00:41:37.780 Number two, the number two cause of cancer, and this is, uh, you know, it's controversial.

00:41:44.100 Brace yourself. The number two cause is obesity.

00:41:48.080 Hmm. Because when you're overweight, it's a burden on your system and fat cells produce

00:41:54.640 inflammatory molecules. And they also circulating, uh, uh, circulating, uh, fatty acids suppress your

00:42:04.260 immune function. When you're overweight, your immune cells actually absorb those fatty acids that are

00:42:09.180 circulating in your bloodstream and they become bloated and actually obese themselves.

00:42:14.760 Hmm. This is, this research is only just a few years old. The researchers found that immune cells

00:42:20.720 were obese in an obese environment. And so being overweight puts you at risk because of immunosuppression

00:42:29.560 and increased inflammation. And also body fat produces excess estrogen, which is a cancer promoter.

00:42:35.200 So there's a number of different mechanisms by which being overweight or obese, um, sets you up for

00:42:40.540 disease, uh, obviously diet, diabetes and heart disease, but also cancer.

00:42:45.560 So yeah, to me, it's just absolutely ridiculous that anyone would call someone like me or anyone

00:42:52.780 who's saying, Hey, you know, being overweight, it's not healthy, right? Fat shaming. I'm like,

00:42:56.400 I'm not shaming anybody. I'm just telling you the truth. Right. And there's good news behind that

00:43:00.220 truth, which is that every person I've never met a person who can't lose weight, right? Every person

00:43:05.420 can lose weight. If they decide to lose weight, if they decide to change their diet, if they decide to

00:43:09.600 exercise and take care of themselves, they can lose weight. They can get the excess weight off

00:43:13.500 and drop their cancer risk significantly. And on the breast cancer, since it's breast cancer

00:43:19.960 I have to share this one study with you. So one of my favorite cancer survival studies was done with

00:43:26.180 breast cancer patients. And what they found was that breast cancer patients who ate an average of five

00:43:32.100 servings of fruits and vegetables per day and walked an average of 30 minutes per day

00:43:38.060 had a 50% decreased risk of recurrence after nine years.

00:43:44.400 So think about that. They cut their risk of recurrence in half with two deliberate lifestyle choices,

00:43:54.060 eating more fruits and vegetables, five servings a day. You can do that in one meal

00:43:58.660 and deciding every day to, to go take a walk.

00:44:05.120 Yeah. Right. I mean, I ate between 15 and 20 servings of fruits and vegetables every day.

00:44:11.960 That was massive action. I just said, I'm going to overdose on fruits and vegetables. I'm just going

00:44:15.780 to pump my body full of all this good stuff. Yeah. And, and let my body use what it needs.

00:44:21.060 Yeah. And so just that those small changes can really produce big results. And

00:44:25.860 that's why it's so tragic to me that even that study is not shared with breast cancer patients by their

00:44:31.400 doctors. And what we hear is, and maybe a doctor would say, well, we don't know correlation causation

00:44:49.720 kind of deal really what helps. And what we hear over and over again is that early detection saves

00:44:54.940 lives. So you should really be getting a mammogram every year after a certain point, I think it's after

00:45:00.320 age 40 or 50 for women. But then some will say, you know what, if you're, if you have someone in

00:45:05.760 your family who had breast cancer, like my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer, they might tell me,

00:45:10.240 you know what, you need to start even earlier getting mammograms every year. But I recently saw

00:45:15.520 someone on your podcast say, no, you should not be getting mammograms every year. And actually mammograms

00:45:22.920 can be harmful. So are you able to unpack a little bit of that for me? Because I had never heard that

00:45:27.880 before. Yeah, there was a, there was a huge study on, well, okay, first of all, the mammogram industry

00:45:35.020 is a big money-making industry, right? And so mammograms are promoted because it's funneling

00:45:41.100 patients to this industry, right? For this procedure. But there was a huge study in Canada. It was,

00:45:48.580 it was published in 2014. And what they found was that women who had a mammogram versus women who had

00:46:00.360 just a physical breast exam had no improvement in survival. And this was a study of over 90,000 women.

00:46:10.420 Hmm. So it just proved, they proved equivocally that mammograms don't save lives. They're no better

00:46:18.860 than a physical breast exam, right? By professional. And not only that, they can produce, they send a

00:46:30.000 woman into a funnel of over-diagnosis and over-treatment. Yeah. And talk about that because 1.00

00:46:36.400 I think some people would say, you know, how can you possibly be over-diagnosed? Don't you want to

00:46:41.380 know if you have cancer? Some women don't feel a lump. You can't feel a lump because it's so early. 1.00

00:46:46.360 But people would say, well, isn't it better to detect it early through a mammogram?

00:46:51.900 Well, I want your audience to read this study. If you Google, there's an article,

00:46:56.840 breast cancer death rates in Canada didn't improve with mammograms. Okay. So if you Google that,

00:47:02.460 you can read an article on, on cbc.canada.ca. And, um, so over-diagnosis means unnecessary surgeries,

00:47:12.020 unnecessary chemo, unnecessary radiation, unnecessary hormone therapies, right? That's

00:47:16.940 what happens when you're diagnosed, when, when a mammogram finds some little tiny suspicious thing

00:47:22.380 and then you are put on the conveyor belt. And so, um, something really good happened, uh, in 27 and

00:47:33.280 2018, there were two different clinical trials on genetic testing for breast cancer. And just to prove

00:47:39.440 this, they actually proved the point that Dr. John McDougall was making in our interview and that the

00:47:44.460 researchers from, uh, from Canada found with the mammograms, but the genetic testing, uh, the two

00:47:50.360 different studies, I'll summarize them really quickly. But the first one was the Mind Act trial

00:47:54.920 using a test called the mammoprint. And what they found was half of early stage breast cancer patients

00:48:00.860 didn't need chemo after surgery. Half. So what that meant is up until that point, twice, you know,

00:48:10.680 uh, twice as many women than necessary were getting chemotherapy that didn't need it. 1.00

00:48:17.620 Wow. And then the next year, the Taylor X trial, which was using a different genetic testing called

00:48:23.200 the Oncotype DX, they found very similar. It was basically that, uh, 70% of breast cancer patients

00:48:32.700 with the most common type of breast cancer, which is, um, hormone receptor positive, HR2 negative,

00:48:39.400 and with no, uh, lymph nodes that are positive. Uh, they didn't need chemo either. So overall,

00:48:46.920 that's basically 35% of breast cancer patients in their study, 60,000 women a year, right?

00:48:52.500 Don't need chemo. And this is good because this has actually changed the, the, the physicians that

00:48:57.740 are an oncologist, I should say, or breast cancer screening that are using these genetic tests,

00:49:01.900 uh, are, uh, are doing a good thing because there's far fewer women now being overdiagnosed 0.99

00:49:10.880 and over treated for something that is not likely to ever become a cancer or kill them.

00:49:16.780 There's a thing called DCIS, which is stage zero breast cancer, stage zero, and it's not breast 1.00

00:49:24.020 cancer. It's not cancer, but it's something that mammograms pick up. And then women are really scared 1.00

00:49:31.720 because they're told, well, you have stage zero. It could become a cancer one day. We don't know.

00:49:36.340 We need to cut your breasts off. And so, uh, and give you this, uh, hormone, hormone treatment, 1.00

00:49:43.040 hormone therapy drugs. So hopefully that is also shifting, but a lot of women are still getting 1.00

00:49:48.460 sucked into this fear of DCIS, which is an, an indolent lesion. It just, it just means it's not

00:49:55.480 cancer, right? Yeah. It's not normal tissue, but it's not cancer either. So the, yeah, the,

00:50:02.740 the mammogram industry, um, women should be screened. Absolutely. But you can be screened by

00:50:10.980 a doctor with their hands, right? They're trained to find lumps, to feel for lumps with their hands.

00:50:19.340 And that is just as effective as a mammogram. Yeah. There are also, I don't know the word for it,

00:50:25.380 but it's kind of like a heat map of your body, right? That is, has fewer potential side effects

00:50:32.200 that could be an alternative, right? That's called thermography. And thermography is a non-invasive,

00:50:40.200 uh, basically it's a photograph, a heat sensitive photograph of your torso of the breasts. And it

00:50:47.160 shows hotspots and hotspots are indicative of inflammation and increased blood flow. And if you

00:50:52.560 have a breast cancer tumor and you know, you know, for example, if you've been diagnosed, you know,

00:50:56.200 there's a tumor and you go get a thermogram, you'll see it on the thermogram. It will be very red and hot

00:51:01.640 relative to the other colors. So like blue would be cool. Red is hot, right? So, um,

00:51:08.780 so a thermogram is not a diagnostic test, but it's something that you can do with no risk.

00:51:14.780 There's no radiation, right? They don't even touch you. It's literally just a photograph

00:51:18.980 that can show changes in the breast and can be something that could be useful for monitoring

00:51:24.860 your breast tissue, breast health, and even cancer progression. But I wouldn't say only do

00:51:30.980 thermography, right? It's something that you could do along with blood work, which again has very

00:51:36.060 little risk of harm for cancer markers, uh, with ultrasound, another test that's little to no risk

00:51:42.580 of harm. So there's, uh, and of course the physical exam. So there's a lot of things out there. Um,

00:51:48.480 resources that are out there that are available for women, um, to screen and help them, you know, 0.62

00:51:54.680 take control of their life and their health. But you know, the big things again, is getting

00:51:59.120 to a healthy body weight. Like prevention is huge. And if you, we know the rates of cancer

00:52:06.600 are just going up, right? The only cancer that's going down is lung cancer for the most part,

00:52:14.880 because people are stopping smoking, right? Right. Well, isn't that interesting that as we have,

00:52:22.200 as there are more and more cancer awareness months, as more and more money is being sent to these so-called

00:52:29.080 cancer research, we have higher cancer rates than ever. I mean, we, the, this president of the United

00:52:36.360 States said that he is going to end cancer. I don't know what that would even entail. I don't

00:52:42.900 know how a politician would even do that because as you said, many times it is accumulation of choices

00:52:50.060 and there is really nothing being done besides from people like you. And then like you said,

00:52:55.620 good people in the medical community, um, telling people, Hey, these choices and these lifestyles

00:53:01.780 are actually leading to cancer and we can do something about the cancer rate, but it's probably

00:53:06.660 not going to come from politicians. It's probably not going to come from the pharmaceutical companies.

00:53:11.960 It's yeah, highly unlikely to come from those places and all that the cancer moonshot and programs

00:53:17.180 like Nixon's war on cancer in 1971, which totally failed, except that drug companies made billions of

00:53:22.760 dollars. So they actually won. Right. It was the most profitable failure of all time in terms of

00:53:27.700 wars. Uh, but, um, you know, I'm so sorry to interrupt, but you just think about like how politicians

00:53:34.300 and pharmaceutical companies never have to pay for failure. It's almost like they get rewarded for

00:53:40.140 failure. We certainly saw that over the past two years, Anthony Fauci is still being rewarded for his bad

00:53:45.760 recommendations. The people who make the choices that badly affect us never have to pay the price

00:53:52.120 for the policies and the prescriptions, uh, that they shove down the pipeline. It's us who have to

00:53:59.240 pay and they just get richer and more power. Isn't that interesting? Yeah. And you should make note that

00:54:04.700 every time the government declares war on something, terrorism, drugs, cancer, a germ, uh, there are,

00:54:12.560 there are giant corporations that are about to make a ton of money. Always. It's always a giant

00:54:19.720 profit making scheme. Anytime there's a war on something, whether it's a military industrial

00:54:24.860 complex or the cancer industry or their drug companies or whatever. But point is, uh, so they've,

00:54:31.200 you know, they've, they're, they're just going to funnel a bunch of money to the drug companies.

00:54:36.740 And if they really cared about cancer prevention, right, about, about saving lives, right. That's the

00:54:42.440 point, right. Aren't we trying to save lives here? If they really cared about saving lives,

00:54:46.220 they would divert most of that money into education, into helping the public understand

00:54:51.420 the number one cause of cancer is cigarettes. And the number two causes obesity. Like you want to

00:54:56.200 drop cancer rates, you help people get, get rid of excess body fat. You have a co, uh, co-ordid,

00:55:01.080 uh, um, not co-ordid is not a word, sorry. A, uh, a, um, a well-organized campaign. Coordinated. Yeah.

00:55:10.340 Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Coordinated. Thank you. Campaign to, to educate people on how to actually be healthy,

00:55:16.540 right. How to eat healthy, how to take care of themselves, how to exercise. But, you know,

00:55:21.720 like you said, it's, it's become taboo to, uh, to say anything that might hurt someone's feelings,

00:55:28.460 right. And so if I say, you know, being overweight is unhealthy, um, and leads to cancer, someone says,

00:55:35.180 well, you hurt my feelings cause I'm overweight and you're trying to shame me and make me feel bad about

00:55:38.820 my life and my choices. I'm like, no, I'm not trying to make you feel bad. I'm trying to empower

00:55:43.040 you with knowledge that you can use to help yourself prevent a terrible disease. It's really

00:55:47.360 scary. You don't want it. I've had it. Okay. Like that's why I'm telling you this, not to make you

00:55:52.520 feel bad. I'm just trying to help you avoid getting what I got, uh, because it stinks. Yeah.

00:56:08.820 And let's bring it back to that. I've got two more questions for you to kind of close the loop

00:56:14.440 on your own story. Take us back to, you walked out of the oncology office, that appointment didn't go

00:56:19.680 well. You questioned his authority. You're not supposed to do that. What did the journey, um,

00:56:25.200 of healing look like for you? Did you lose a bunch of weight from the raw diet? How did you go to the

00:56:32.320 doctor, find out you didn't have cancer anymore? Abbreviated version of course, of, um, how all of that

00:56:37.660 worked out for you? Yeah. All the juicy details are in my book. Um, but what I did was I, I left

00:56:45.920 that appointment and that was a real low point. I mean, when the doctor basically treated us the way

00:56:52.260 he did, I mean, we walked in my wife's car and sat in her car and held hands and just cried, you know,

00:56:57.540 I mean, it was awful. It was so terrible. And I was so discouraged and dejected and depressed and

00:57:04.120 hopeless after that meeting. I mean, it was awful, but I was fortunate. And by the way,

00:57:10.020 he had talked me into it. So I made an appointment before I left that meeting to get a port put in

00:57:16.100 to start chemotherapy in several weeks. And that's how effective he was at persuading me to do it.

00:57:26.380 And I'm just so thankful that I had time that they weren't rushing me in, you know, because I had had

00:57:32.880 surgery and I was still recovering. They weren't able to rush me into chemo. A lot of cancer patients

00:57:37.240 are, they start chemo the week they're diagnosed. Right. I mean, they don't, they are rushed in so

00:57:41.900 fast. They don't have time to think or, or, or even take any action or change their life or anything

00:57:47.460 or try to help themselves. And that's the real tragedy is the patients are rushed in so fast.

00:57:53.100 And, um, but I had time, so I just went home and fired up the juicer, you know, and I kept

00:57:59.000 reading and researching and, and kept eating, you know, this raw food diet and it was just figuring

00:58:03.740 it out. And, and I found a naturopathic doctor and then he connected me with an integrative oncologist.

00:58:09.680 So I found medical and healthcare professionals that would support me, that understood what I was

00:58:15.980 doing and what I was trying to do. And that is really huge. Right. So I, I found a team,

00:58:21.680 right. I, I found a support team. And then when the day came to go get the port in,

00:58:28.500 I just woke up that morning. I was like, I'm not doing it. Like I'm not doing it. I want to change

00:58:33.760 my life. I want to overdose on nutrition. I want to do everything in my power to help my body heal.

00:58:38.820 I don't want to break my body down with poisonous, toxic cancer causing drugs. And, um, so I didn't go,

00:58:49.920 I didn't go, I never saw that oncologist again. And, um, I just day by day

00:58:59.480 took care of myself in a way that I never had before. I just reorganized and reprioritized my

00:59:06.760 life. And I, and that's the physical side of it, you know, the diet and exercise and supplements and,

00:59:12.920 you know, herbs and stuff like that. Like I did all that stuff, everything I could find and afford,

00:59:17.120 but on the, the mental, emotional, and spiritual side, I had a lot of work to do. I mean, I really

00:59:22.220 had to get control of my thoughts and my emotions. And, and I just realized I had a lot of unhealthy

00:59:27.440 thought patterns. I was negative. I was critical. I was judgmental. I was insecure. Like I just had to

00:59:33.240 look in the mirror and face my flaws and my faults and my failures and forgive myself and start loving

00:59:40.280 myself. And then, and then I made a decision to forgive every person who had ever hurt me.

00:59:45.980 And I mean, that is so unbelievably powerful. Forgiveness will free you from a prison of pain.

00:59:56.240 And a lot of people, most cancer patients are holding onto so much anger and resentment and

01:00:02.600 bitterness for, toward people that have hurt them in their past. And those emotions are toxic. They

01:00:09.620 literally being in that state of stress or called distress, uh, suppresses your body's immune

01:00:16.180 function. It's not, this is not esoteric. This is proven medically proven that stress suppresses

01:00:22.820 your immune function and promotes inflammation. So when you're going through life in chaos,

01:00:27.420 right, your finances, your relationships, you're, you're angry, you're jealous, you're bitter,

01:00:32.260 you're, you know, insecure. You get all these swirling negative emotions that you have not

01:00:36.820 dealt with and resolved. It, you just, you're living in a constant state of chronic stress and

01:00:42.260 that sets you up for disease. Now you're not going to get cancer in two weeks of stressful time,

01:00:47.240 you know, but it's months and years of living your life that way. And so one of the big things in our

01:00:54.100 community, I mean, that we just talk about constantly is forgiveness because it really does

01:01:00.200 free you and, um, unlocks your body's healing potential because anger and bitterness will make

01:01:08.260 you sick. Hmm. Yeah. And, and so you went to the doctor to see if you were in remission or if you no

01:01:17.880 longer had cancer. Is that how the story played out? Yeah. The, uh, the integrative oncologist that I

01:01:24.620 worked with, he was, he ordered blood work every month. So every month we're looking at my blood work

01:01:28.700 every six months, CT scan to see if the cancer had, uh, you know, if there's new, new spots,

01:01:35.760 right? New cancer. Cause that was the whole goal was like, they took a tumor out, but they're like,

01:01:39.500 look, you know, this doesn't cure stage three colon cancer. Like in young adults. I mean,

01:01:44.180 it's extremely rare that this would cure you. It's like your body is making cancer. It's going to make

01:01:49.120 more cancer. And, um, so that was the goal was to just keep an eye on things. And so, yeah, for years,

01:01:55.320 that was my routine and then got to the five-year mark and had another scan, no cancer. And then my

01:02:02.200 oncologist at the time said, man, it looks like you're out of the woods. So I, I, and, and by the

01:02:08.160 way, I did all that privately, you know, I, I didn't, I didn't, wasn't online talking about cancer. I,

01:02:14.320 I started chrisbeatcancer.com just as a blog in 2010. That was six and a half years after my diagnosis.

01:02:20.600 So once I was confident that I'd recovered and I'd gotten well, and I'd learned a lot, I was like,

01:02:25.320 I just wanted to share my story. I thought it'd be helpful. I didn't know it would turn into a big

01:02:29.520 thing, you know, with books and like speaking and all over the world. Like I didn't, that wasn't the

01:02:35.420 plan at all. It was just, I just wanted to put my story out there. Cause I was like, I can't just,

01:02:40.300 you know, just go on and live my life and pretend like I didn't go through all this stuff. Right.

01:02:44.020 Like somebody out there needs to know that they can, that they can take control of their life and

01:02:51.180 health and help themselves survive. Like, I just felt like this is important. So yeah, I put it out

01:02:55.880 there and it just, it just took off. I just didn't, I didn't know at the time how many people were so

01:03:01.380 desperate for information on how to heal. Yeah. And what would you say, this is the final question.

01:03:08.120 Just if you only had like 30 seconds or a minute to talk to someone who just got diagnosed with

01:03:16.000 cancer and they are kind of being told, look, the only options are what, you know, we can put on the

01:03:22.940 table in the hospital, in what you refer to as medical industrial complex, there's nothing else

01:03:28.140 that you can do. Like, how would you encourage, what would you recommend that that person does even

01:03:34.360 outside of what they might choose to do medically? Like, what would you recommend that person do

01:03:39.900 starting right now? Well, of course, I'm going to say, please read my book, you know, because like,

01:03:46.240 that's who I wrote it for. But, but specifically, you know, for, to answer your question, like,

01:03:53.660 number one is you have, it's probably likely that you have time, right? That this cancer is not going

01:04:01.120 to kill you in the next week or month or maybe even year. You have time and you have options and

01:04:07.740 you have more options than you realize and more options than your doctor has told you about.

01:04:12.660 And now is when you need to take the time to read and research and learn from other people who have

01:04:18.280 healed cancer, who have survived against the odds. And I've interviewed dozens and dozens of people

01:04:24.080 on ChrisBeatCancer.com who have healed all types and stages of cancer. And their stories are amazing and

01:04:30.160 they're powerful and they're rich with wisdom and insight and practical strategies. And what you'll

01:04:36.920 find is if you watch these interviews with people who've healed stage four cancers and you'll see the

01:04:44.980 common threads, like almost everything I've talked about in our interview today, you'll hear from other

01:04:49.860 people who've healed, right? Radical diet chains, tons of raw foods, juicing, right? Cleaning out your 0.98

01:04:55.840 house, forgiving people who've hurt you, exercising, like all these things are the common denominators

01:05:02.220 on cancer survival, cancer healing. And so whether or not, and by the way, we have a lot of people in

01:05:08.340 our community that do chemo. Like we love on those people. Like I, I'm not here to make anybody feel

01:05:13.460 bad about chemo or radiation or surgery or anything like that. We just love and accept everybody in our

01:05:19.200 community. And the big thing is it's like, look, you need to download the 20 questions guide and ask

01:05:25.760 your, ask your doctor the right questions. So you have the full picture of your, your cancer and what

01:05:32.780 they're going to treat you with and that your expectations are realistic. There's a study that

01:05:38.100 came out a few years ago where they, they surveyed cancer patients and they found that roughly 70% of

01:05:43.460 these patients who had a, who had terminal cancer were not told by their doctor they had terminal

01:05:51.180 cancer and they thought the treatments were likely to cure them. I mean, that's a huge communication

01:05:59.360 gap when the doctor doesn't tell the patient, we can't cure you, but then they treat them anyway, which

01:06:06.460 is called palliative care instead of curative care. So you have to ask the right questions. You have to

01:06:13.440 have to have a full understanding of your disease and the treatments and the risks of the treatments

01:06:17.580 and the likelihood of success. Once you've got that together, then you can really make an informed

01:06:22.480 decision, right? You can make the best decision for you, whether or not you want to proceed with

01:06:26.440 treatments that they're offering you. Beyond that, if you do everything your doctor says, there's so

01:06:32.860 much more you can do to help yourself because healing happens at home. So your diet still matters.

01:06:41.620 Exercise still matters. Forgiveness still matters. So everything that I encourage patients to do,

01:06:48.620 you can do whether you do chemo or not, and they, it will be helpful to you whether you do chemo or

01:06:54.380 not, right? These are do no harm therapies. So that can only help. And so I have confidence. I mean,

01:07:02.400 I can confidently say like the things that I did and the things that I see people doing constantly to

01:07:06.740 help themselves get well and to be successful, to survive and thrive. These things are available

01:07:15.140 to almost anyone or things that almost anyone can do. If you have a strong will to live and you're

01:07:22.060 willing to change your life and take control of your health and you will have better quality of life

01:07:30.060 and you will increase your odds of survival and decrease your risk of a recurrence, right? If

01:07:35.700 you're willing to take control of your life and your health. So why not, right? Why not? Why not do

01:07:42.140 everything that you can do? And so this kind of goes full circle back to something I said really early

01:07:47.280 in our interview, which was patients are told they're victims. They're told there's nothing they

01:07:51.480 can do. And I'm here to tell you that is a complete lie. A hundred percent false. There's so much you

01:07:57.180 can do to help yourself. And that's why I'm here. I'm here to help give hope and inspiration and

01:08:02.180 practical action steps to, to patients or anybody who's serious about cancer prevention.

01:08:08.180 Well, thank you so much. And everyone can go to crispy cancer.com. You've got a podcast.

01:08:13.640 Like you said, you've interviewed lots of people, lots of experts on this, and you have just a lot of

01:08:18.280 good resources and, um, a community too, that you've built over the years. My mom who was diagnosed

01:08:25.580 with breast cancer a few months ago, um, has really benefited from all of the work and the research

01:08:31.220 that you've put into this. And she has gone on a plant-based diet for, uh, several months now. 1.00

01:08:37.160 And it's really been incredible to see her discipline. And I know that she would say that

01:08:41.020 she's really benefited from it. So thank you for the work that you do. And thanks for taking the

01:08:45.940 time to come on. I really appreciate it. Thank you, Allie. It's been really fun. I appreciate you

01:08:50.740 having me on. Yeah. Thanks so much.

01:08:56.380 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 18, 2022

Ep 693 ｜ The Disturbing Truth About Breast Cancer Awareness Month ｜ Guest： Chris Wark (Chris Beat Cancer)

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