Ep 698 ｜ Aliens, Nephilim, Bigfoot & the Bible ｜ Guest： Nate Henry & Luke Rodgers (Blurry Creatures)
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Summary
The hosts of the podcast, Blurry Creatures, are here today to help us think through a lot of these things. It's a really interesting conversation that I wanted to do, again, as we are leading up to Halloween.
Transcript
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Aliens and UFOs, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, giants, are any of these blurry creatures real?
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And if there is evidence of their existence, how would this fit into a biblical worldview?
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Well, the hosts of the podcast, Blurry Creatures, are here today to help us think through a lot of these things.
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It's a really, really interesting conversation that, again, I wanted to do as we are leading up to Halloween.
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Now, you guys know my perspective on Halloween is not the same as how the world celebrates Halloween.
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Go back and listen to yesterday's episode or watch yesterday's episode if you haven't already.
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Caused a little bit of controversy in the comment section of YouTube as there was a lot of spirited disagreement with what my guest yesterday argued about Halloween.
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But you should also go back and listen to an episode that I did with my mom a couple years ago about how she uses Halloween to celebrate the gospel and to share the gospel with her neighbors to truly be light in a darkness.
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As Christians, I do think this is an issue around which we have a lot of Christian liberty and that you must apply the word of God with wisdom and with conviction of the Holy Spirit to lead your family and yourself in a way that aligns with beauty and truth.
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I do, though, think it's possible to bring redemption, to bring light, to bring the gospel to Halloween and certain Halloween traditions without celebrating gore.
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So part of that, part of kind of looking at the mysterious, looking into the realm of the paranormal, is how I am kind of leading up to Halloween on this show.
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So yesterday we talked about the origin of Halloween, the real history of Halloween, and today we are looking in this kind of in-between world.
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Now, you will hear in my conversation with these two hosts, who are awesome, by the way, that I've got some questions, okay?
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Like, I've got some serious skepticism about what they're talking about.
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I've got some disagreement, and I'm going to go to the Bible and ask them some questions about how the possible existence of some of these things that are typically referred to as myths would fit into God's word.
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So really, really interesting conversation that I know that you all are going to love.
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Now, before we get into it, I've got a few things to say.
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Number one, tonight, Wednesday, October 26th, we are putting out a parody, a parody that you have seen a couple times before.
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I did the first parody like this in 2018, the second in 2020, and now the third, just in time for the midterms.
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And that is my Democrat DNC ad parody, where I act like I am a spokesperson for the Democrat Party.
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And I tell you why you need to vote blue this November.
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And this one, in my opinion, it's the best that we've done.
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We went even farther than we typically do creatively.
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So if you're listening to this on the 26th, make sure you check that out.
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It'll be on Twitter if you're listening to this the next day.
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Make sure that you go check that out and share it with your friends.
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Also, two stickers that we are promoting right now that our awesome design team just created.
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Now, without further ado, here are our new friends from Blurry Creatures.
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Whoever wants to answer this first question, go for it.
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Tell us what Blurry Creatures is and why you guys started that podcast.
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We talk about all kinds of fringe creatures, everything from Bigfoot to, you know, werewolf
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creatures to historical creatures, ancient giants.
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I had the idea in 2019 to do a podcast about this because I was remodeling houses and I was
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listening to, I didn't want to listen to anything, you know, political or sports.
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So I started listening to podcasts about Bigfoot and stuff and eventually I just got, I got
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So, um, around 2019 designed a logo, got the website and everything.
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And then Luke and I were friends, uh, via some other friends and he was tweeting about
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Bigfoot one day and I was like, Hey, I got this idea, start a podcast.
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Because I knew Luke did a podcast with his brother and he knew how to do podcasting.
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So we decided to start a Bigfoot podcast with, uh, all filtered through the biblical paradigm
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and it just kind of took off and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into, but
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we talk a lot about ancient history, biblical history, um, the Nephilim giants and, and Bigfoot
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We have a, the list of creatures is getting longer by the day.
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We thought maybe, you know, I don't know how many podcast episodes we can do about this,
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but man, there's so many creatures out there that are considered blurry and blurry has
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kind of become its own sort of adjective of, of what we talk about.
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And they'll send us a picture of something that's like some sort of weird anomaly that's
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So we talk, we, yeah, we do get into aliens and UFOs and all that other stuff too, but we
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try to filter it all through the biblical paradigm.
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And yeah, we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into.
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Luke, could you tell us like what exactly is meant by blurry creatures?
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Because before I listened to the podcast, I had no, I had no idea what it was going to
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All the people that recommended it to me, they did not even tell me.
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So tell us like why you picked that name, blurry creatures.
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You know, it comes out of, it's tongue in cheek, right?
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It's the idea that like all these pictures of, of Bigfoot end up blurry for whatever reason.
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I think it's Mitch Hedberg, Nate, that, where he talks about the idea that the Bigfoot always
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Um, but I think what the, the idea with, with the show itself is that people have experiences
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People have encounters with things they can't explain.
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And if you come from a Christian perspective, there's a lot of things like, like that, that
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you, a lot of people have trouble putting into their, their Christian paradigm.
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And, and I think the church really doesn't address a lot of what the world calls paranormal
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and the paranormal world out there doesn't really address any of it through the context
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And so because we're Christians, one of our, one of the things this has turned into is, is
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trying to put all these things into a biblical paradigm that, that, that this stuff does all
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fit, that you can explain these things through, through the understanding of the Bible and the
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Like Nate said that we, we started out to just kind of figure out what was Bigfoot going
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It's, it's, it's taken us into a lot of different places, but what I think we're really
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trying to do is provide context for a lot of things that people are experiencing.
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We know the government is just really, in the last year has started to publicly recognize
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Of course, they changed the UFO moniker to UAP, right?
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Because UFO has all of these, these stigmas attached to it, right?
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So there, these things are happening and I don't think the church has done a great job
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And that's really what Nate and I are trying to do is to try to find better answers.
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You know, through, with, with our foundation as, with our foundation as our faith.
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And so for whatever reason, it's resonated with a lot of people.
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I think that, that our, that our faith and that Christianity is big enough to encompass
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And there are explanations for all of this in the biblical texts and in, in, in the biblical
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narrative and that's, that's what getting blurry is all about, right?
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Well, I'm curious to hear more specifically about the alien UFO issue because I have been
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asked that, as you said, there has been more coverage on this over the past couple of years.
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There have been some people in the media and the news, mostly conservative, which is kind
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of interesting, just saying, okay, do we have any priority to try to identify what these
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And so people have asked me, could it be possible theologically for there to be life
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Like what could these UFOs be if it's not some kind of spying device from say China?
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And so how have you guys worked that out biblically?
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Like, is it possible biblically with what we know about the universe and who God made
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for there to be a different life form on another planet?
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I mean, we, I mean, the Bible talks about this specifically, like we talk about a lot about
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If you read Genesis six through, through the sort of the, what the ancients read it as is
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that you had angels coming into our realm and, and messing with human beings and they
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And so we talk about the Genesis six event in sort of the biblical paradigm that most
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seminaries kind of interpreted as something completely different.
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So what we try to do is say, Hey, this isn't a new thing.
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Um, anything extraterrestrial is just an off earth entity, right?
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Human beings have been given dominion, dominion here on earth by God, but anything else, angels,
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other entities that are in sort of the, the, uh, heavenly court is what we talk about because
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the Bible talks about all kinds of strange things, right?
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And anything that's not, that wasn't given dominion here on earth would technically be
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And to talk about it in Genesis, it's just sort of the government has reframed this and
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Hollywood has reframed this as alien, but anything not human is technically alien.
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So the Bible has a lot of these encounters, you know, all, all throughout the Bible, these
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angels that are not from here are interacting with human beings.
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And I think, so you're saying aliens are aliens, how we see them like ET type thing.
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Like is you're saying that they're actually encounters with angels, like angels are these
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I think sometimes encounters with non-human entities technically are, if you, if you take
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the word ET, it's extra, extra terrestrial, right?
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So non earth entity would, angels would fall into that category.
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But in terms of like the Hollywood eyes version of an alien, you know, we'd have to get down
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Are we talking about, you know, who's flying the UFOs?
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It's sometimes it's all the above, you know, it's like, who is crafting, who is flying
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I think you have to sort of get Christians to understand that like, you know, non earth
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entities have been coming here and interacting with human beings and it's in the Bible and
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you can, it's, you can support it through scripture and make it, and you have to start
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there and then kind of work your way up to modern day encounters.
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It's, it's, it's hard to convince somebody from the beginning of just saying, oh, aliens
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are here, but, and then they're like, wait, I've never heard of anything like this.
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We're like, we have to go back to Genesis and, and read some of these more obscure accounts
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and actually understand that this isn't anything new, technically speaking.
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I guess my question would be like where that fits into the creation accounts, because these
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are not animals and they're not, they wouldn't be human beings made in the image of God.
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So like, what are they, where do they fall in the, in the creation categories?
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They're not included, I would guess, in God's plan of redemption through Christ and they're
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And so, or, but if they're not angels, because you said only sometimes you think these interactions
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are with angels and sometimes they're not, I have a hard time fitting that into my understanding
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of creation and God's eternal plan of redemption for human beings.
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What are these like other humans, subhuman things?
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You know, I just don't have like a theological category in my mind to put them in.
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No, I think that's a great, that's a great question.
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I think that the Bible in and of itself is the story of, of God redeeming humanity unto himself
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and, and, and redeeming humanity back into the family of God.
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But, but we know that, we know from the Bible that there are angels, there are hosts of
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There are, there's a diversity of creation as you would imagine that it isn't on earth.
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If you want to use that term, the spiritual realm or in the heavenlies.
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And we know that there was a rebellion in heaven.
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We know that from Job, that when the earth was created, that the, the, the angels, the
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So there is a, a kingdom of heaven that, that I think we can understand in the same way that
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And, and these are, you know, angels is a medieval term, right?
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It's the idea of angelos is, is, is a messenger.
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And, and I think in some ways we've simplified a very diverse spiritual realm.
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Like we, we know from, I think the darkness is the easiest way to kind of understand that
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there's a lot of weird things that are, are bad in the spiritual realm.
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And I think, you know, from people's experiences with the demonic and, and even some of these,
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these creatures we know are bad, nefarious, sort of evil things that you can have quite
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a diversity of, you know, of creation in the spiritual realm.
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So I think that the idea that we limit, um, and the Bible doesn't, here's the other thing,
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The Bible is specifically about our story, right?
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Nate talked about Genesis six and the idea that there was the, these, the sons of God.
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And you can find this same word, um, in Psalm 82 and you can find it in, in Deuteronomy 32.
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The, the, there are specific terminology for spiritual beings, these, what we call the angels,
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And I think we've just, we've sort of decided because of, uh, medieval art, because of the
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Renaissance art that, that these things have wings, they look like this, and this is the
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And we've really just, just created two things.
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It's like demons are really gnarly looking and, and nasty.
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And they do this and angels have wings and they're, and they're white.
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But then you read revelation and John describing what he's seeing.
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And it's like, there's some crazy stuff out there.
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There's four heads and there's, there's flaming, there's flaming beings that, you know, that
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even that God placed at the gate of Eden when we were, when we were booted out.
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Um, so I, I think we need to open our mind in some ways to, to, if there's diversity of
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And I can look at my window and see trees and deer and cows and horses and, and creation
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I think oftentimes we, you know, as earth and as on earth, that is, is, is in heaven.
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This idea that, that I think we really limit, we're putting a limit on God to think that
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there's just like one set of this and one set of that when it comes to the heavenly realm.
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Um, so I think they can, they're just the, your answer to my question of like where it
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falls in line with the creation categories is that in, in y'all's mind, these are spiritual
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These aren't like a subcategory of humans or animals that these are somewhere in the spiritual
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And we don't know exactly where, and we don't know exactly what they're doing, but it is
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possible that these are spiritual beings that at some points have interacted in our physical
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And we talk, we talk a lot about that on the show about how originally that's where the
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So if you look back in the, in the, you know, the old Testament, you have Dave, David and
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Goliath is the most popular story of humans interact, you know, David and this giant.
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And there's, there's literally dozens of tribes in the old Testament of these, these giants.
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And if you look back, historically speaking, these angels bred with humans.
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And that's the, that's how the Hebrews viewed that giants got here.
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They were, they were, they were not supposed to be here, but they were part human, part
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And a lot of people say, that's what the Greeks were writing about.
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The Greek gods, these, these half man, half, half angel demigods.
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And so that was their way of recording the history.
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But the Bible talks about it too, calls them the men of renown in Genesis.
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The flood, the flood was a part of resetting humanity, give humanity back the dominion here
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And so we talk about how plants, animals, humans, everything was corrupted.
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It isn't because humans are just particularly sinful at this gen, this generation.
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It's like the whole world was genetically corrupted.
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It sounds crazy, but it's, it's, it's very much how the ancients have viewed the world.
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And what we do is we say, Hey, people are still seeing these creatures today.
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People are having sleep paralysis episodes where things are coming into their room and they're
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And that this isn't a physical entity coming and interacting with me.
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How do you explain this through the biblical paradigm?
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Well, I think we've just sort of lost the magic and the whimsy of this whole story, right?
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Like God created human beings, put them on this earth, but we're not the center of the story.
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You know, we, there's so much else going on around us.
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And there's this war that we were sort of born into between, you know, heaven and hell.
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And sometimes we see sort of the, the effects of this war, if that makes sense.
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Like we're, you know, we don't know always what's going on, but God has sort of protected
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But there are some Christians out there who swear they can see behind the veil and they
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can sort of see these, these, um, different creatures and different entities that, that
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God has, has that sort of interacting around us.
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And it's, it's pretty amazing how many people have a story of something paranormal or weird.
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So like Luke said in the beginning, like what we do is there's a lot of church and theological
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And there's a lot of paranormal podcasts that are afraid to get theological.
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And what we do is kind of put those things together and say, look, the Bible is strange.
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It's got a lot of weird stuff in it and that's okay.
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And the, and, and the weirder is in our mind is the more important.
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And I, and I love that about scripture is it doesn't, it's not PC.
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It, it allows you to be an adult and says, here's a weird thing.
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And I think the church a lot of times just tiptoes around those things that we can't
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It's too strange, but I don't think ancient people were afraid of complicated ideas and
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I mean, and we talk a lot about, you know, the ancient world, where were they building
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pyramids and all these structures and how do they do that?
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And, and we filtered all through the biblical paradigm, give a lot of people answers because
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they're going to, a lot of people are seeing the proof that the ancient world isn't what
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we're being taught in school and historically speaking, and they're getting sucked into
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like ancient aliens and all these other weird UFO religions.
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And so what we're saying is no, no, no, this all fits into the, the, the paradigm that the
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And this is why you need a savior because the kingdom of darkness is so much bigger and
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And, and this is what Christ saves you from and, and it's, it's weird how like talking
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about a creature that you seek and you can work yourself backwards and you're like, okay,
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I saw this thing when I was a kid, I've thought about it my whole life.
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I've always been confused, but now I understand that this is just one creature in a, in a line
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I think it's hard for people, as you were saying, it's hard for people to imagine that
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there could be anything on earth that is undiscoverable for us.
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Yeah, of course, maybe some things in space, but that there could be anything on planet
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earth that we haven't been able to identify clearly, not blurrily, but clearly and identify
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because we kind of feel, I think as humans, maybe it's hubris or maybe it's just technology.
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We feel kind of like we're at the end of discovery.
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We're at the end of history, basically, like we're at the end of conquest.
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When of course we know that's not true, even if we're just looking at science, there are
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new discoveries that we find every day that correct things that we used to see.
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And so I do agree that I think we have to open ourselves up to the possibility that there
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is a lot, even just here on earth, that we have not discovered or know about.
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I studied abroad in Scotland, and so we talk about it, but of course you talk about it like
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You don't ever talk about the real possibility.
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And basically just what we hear is that, yeah, there have been some blurry pictures or there
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have been some sightings that people thought was really the Loch Ness Monster, but then it
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turned out to be like a giant fish or something.
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Okay, so I'm wondering if y'all, maybe you, Luke, if you could talk a little bit more about
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Since I like Scotland, I'm interested in that one.
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Like, is it possible for there to be a Loch Ness Monster?
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Yeah, I want to go back to one thing real quick that I think is important to remember.
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And we talked about the spiritual realm, and we specifically talked about Genesis 6.
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Um, there was a very physical interaction there in order to procreate, right?
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Like, I mean, this is a family show, but like this is, this happened.
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Yeah, can one of you talk a little bit specifically more?
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What, when y'all said Genesis 6 a couple times, but there's lots of people that don't know what
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Yeah, Genesis 6.4 is that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, saw they were fair,
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And then there were giants, or however the translation is, Nephilim, born into the land.
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And so there's, there is a very real physical interaction between the sons of God, which
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And, and that word Elohim is interchangeable in, in the, in the Hebrew, but it doesn't
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So this isn't, there's no way to, to move this around, switch this around and say that
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this isn't anything but, um, a, a heavenly being, a spiritual being.
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But look, there's a very physical interaction here.
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And we see this throughout the Old Testament, whether it be, um, the angel of the Lord coming
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and eating with Abraham, the angel of the Lord wrestling with Jacob, the angels walking
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These are, as much as we talk about the spiritual realm and the idea that these are spirits,
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there's a very much a physicality to these beings, um, in our realm here when they visit
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And I think that that, when you start to look at things like that and realize that there
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had to be these physical interactions, it wasn't just spiritual in the sense that we,
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the way we imagine a spirit world, um, I think that can change the way that we look
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at things like UFOs and the way that we look at things, um, interactions with other, other
00:26:28.680
things that don't really fit into our, you know, our earth paradigm in the sense of, of
00:26:34.180
the things that we, that we've been told or taught.
00:26:37.340
Um, that, that, that is what I'm referring to with Genesis six.
00:26:40.340
It's, it's, it's a small part of the Bible, but there's a very significant thing that happens
00:26:44.160
And, and, and it sets off a big series of events.
00:26:48.940
You have these hybrid beings, giants, and we know that there are stories across every
00:26:53.900
We know that they found giant bones up until the 1930s where that all of a sudden they've
00:26:57.940
got whisked away and they're no, they are no more.
00:27:00.420
Um, these were, these are a part of our history.
00:27:03.960
They end up in the Bible in a ton of places, including the most famous with the native talked
00:27:08.620
Like they have these, these were these hybrid beings.
00:27:12.020
So yeah, wouldn't they have been, so you're referring to, you said the sons of man or
00:27:20.520
sons of God saw the daughters of man were attractive.
00:27:23.900
And then Nate, what you were talking about earlier was like genetic corruption on earth.
00:27:32.900
He saw the wickedness of man was great on earth and every intention of the thoughts of
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And so God decided to spare Noah and his family.
00:27:41.620
And of course, some of the animals and send this flood to destroy the earth.
00:27:45.740
So wouldn't have the creatures that you're talking about, wouldn't they have been destroyed?
00:27:49.740
Like if they weren't animals and only Noah's family was preserved, what happened there?
00:27:56.340
So it says they were there before and after, you know, and it says there were giants in the
00:28:03.960
And some people think that maybe they could have gone underground.
00:28:07.460
Maybe they could have gone off earth and come back.
00:28:13.460
And also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man, they bore children
00:28:20.960
That's men of renown, as you were talking about earlier.
00:28:36.800
So you have a giant and how does that mostly taught that that's just a really tall person.
00:28:41.560
I feel like in church, I think we're typically just, you know, we're told he's tall.
00:28:47.660
But it's, it's, it's, don't you think it's interesting though, that like, if you think
00:28:50.340
about it from, and this is what a lot of my friends get hangups on in the old Testament,
00:28:53.480
they don't understand the violence in the old Testament.
00:28:55.560
Why is there, why is God commanding Joshua and Caleb and these other, you know, Israelites
00:29:00.200
to go out and wipe out these tribes, every last woman and child and their animals, you
00:29:06.340
And so, so many people abandon their faith because they go, God is just this in the old
00:29:10.440
Testament is, he's commanding these people to kill.
00:29:15.080
I mean, if you think about it from that perspective, it's like, they're not supposed to be here.
00:29:18.400
All of them, all of the, all of the enemies of Israel, you think we're not human?
00:29:23.420
I think they were corrupted, genetically corrupted lines of these Nephilim.
00:29:28.260
And they were, they were practicing, you know, witchcraft and, and sorcery.
00:29:33.560
And they were, they were corrupted beyond just like your typical, you know, understanding
00:29:39.360
of like, like human beings that just reject God.
00:29:42.540
I think that's different than some of these ancient tribes.
00:29:44.920
I think they had, like we've talked about on our show that they were practicing, you
00:29:50.160
know, they were practicing types of sorcery and that were, that were beyond our scope,
00:29:57.620
beyond our understanding to the point where they were corrupting themselves.
00:30:01.720
They were doing things that were so far outside of, of, of God's law that they had to be exterminated.
00:30:07.720
That's what I, that's what I think the old Testament is trying to explain.
00:30:10.940
It's hard, it's hard for even me to say that, but you, you have these commandments of them
00:30:17.140
And if you think about it from like just human on human interaction, that seems pretty counter
00:30:22.200
to when Jesus comes and says, love your enemies.
00:30:26.260
That's a big hangup for most people that theologically speaking, the floods, a big hangup, Sodom, Gomorrah
00:30:31.720
Um, you know, these, these wars in the old Testament are a big hangup, but if you think
00:30:36.920
about it, that there are these, these corrupted, there's a corrupted creation that's, that's
00:30:41.740
sort of spawned on the earth and God is trying to sort of redeem humanity.
00:30:48.020
Like you said, in the beginning of the episode, we are created in the image of God and they
00:30:52.180
I think some of these tribes that were hybrids were not, they were, they like didn't have
00:30:58.680
They were not supposed to be here and they were, they were like parasites on the earth.
00:31:03.520
I know it sounds fantastical, but there's so much historical evidence for these things
00:31:08.780
And if you look back at the tribes, even some of these giant tribes, they're described,
00:31:13.140
their physical traits are even described, you know, and you have like, like the legendary
00:31:17.140
giants, like Aug who had this bed that was like 15 feet long.
00:31:21.380
You know, it's like they practice occult magic and they were doing things that were so corrupt
00:31:28.740
That's kind of what I, I think the old Testament is trying to tell us.
00:31:35.000
I would say not, not a hundred out of a hundred.
00:31:36.560
I think when you look at like the Philistines and these different places, but I think the
00:31:39.580
conquests of Joshua, where they go into the promised land and they make the spies come
00:31:45.500
There are giant, there are giants there and everything else is giant there.
00:31:49.840
That, that, that is some of what God, God is passing judgment.
00:31:53.940
I think it makes a lot more sense when you realize that these were products of, you know,
00:32:00.900
of the fall, the fallen angels, you know, creating their own progeny yet again, doing
00:32:05.660
the same, same thing, you know, after the flood.
00:32:10.760
Now we know that Goliath and his brothers were mercenaries for the Philistines.
00:32:13.720
And so, you know, it's probably not, the Philistines were probably not a giant tribe, but they employ
00:32:27.400
And what we're trying to say is there's context here to understand God passing judgment.
00:32:32.580
And we know that the New Testament, that, that, that through the sacrifice of Jesus, that
00:32:40.540
Um, but I, I think this, the idea that Genesis six is a product of Genesis three, which is,
00:32:51.900
which is when God says that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent, basically,
00:32:56.560
basically prophesying the coming of the Messiah, which we know to be Jesus.
00:33:01.400
And what, what happens after that and plays out through the old Testament, we believe in
00:33:07.440
in, in our biblical worldview that, that the darkness is trying to prevent the Messiah coming
00:33:14.800
through a, the line of every way possible, the line of Adam.
00:33:18.180
And the way to prevent anything to come from the line of Adam is to muddy that with the
00:33:24.980
And, and, and, and you can see this thread being pulled, right?
00:33:29.760
He's the, he's the last righteous one, whether that be his righteous in heart.
00:33:32.500
We also, maybe, maybe that completely is righteous and pure in blood that he hasn't been corrupted
00:33:49.440
And because of what we see in the old Testament, um, we talk about the physicality we just talked
00:33:54.220
about, there had to be the ability to mix of these DNAs as the Bible specifically talks
00:34:01.360
So there is some, there is definitely physicality to these, to these beings, um, you know, in
00:34:19.900
And the sons of God, I've just never, I haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking about Genesis
00:34:24.140
six and Nephilim, but you're saying the sons of God are actually fallen angels, right?
00:34:32.340
So why do you think they're called sons of God?
00:34:43.820
They were called the watchers and they left, you know, they were, they left their posts,
00:34:49.640
So they were just angels that interacted with women.
00:34:52.520
So they were, you know, as you can like, like, what does an angel look like?
00:34:56.680
How does, how do humans interact with angels in the Bible?
00:35:02.920
I think angel is, you know, for what we talk about on our show is that the heavenly court,
00:35:11.280
So some angels have jobs, the seraphim, the cherubim, these people, they, these people,
00:35:16.080
I say people, I meant these angels have a specific title and it is always usually described
00:35:26.160
They were, they were supposedly, you know, guardians of humanity, watching humanity.
00:35:34.260
They made a deal and left and they came down on, you know, a lot of the ancient traditions.
00:35:38.940
They landed on Mount Hermon and they, they were given, they, they basically traded technology
00:35:52.500
So from the heavenly realm, um, like, you know, the occult sciences and Luke and I talk
00:35:59.920
about this, the sacred sciences, you know, like the mystery, the mystery schools, all
00:36:03.500
the, like the occult sciences that things like metallurgy and all these things, they taught
00:36:08.100
us how to go to war with each other, how to mine metals, how to, how to do all these things.
00:36:12.220
How did human, how did humans learn how to build stuff?
00:36:14.900
How do we learn how to, you know, manufacture tools and, and where do we get this knowledge
00:36:20.040
Um, it was like a sacred knowledge and that's the, that's the Genesis, uh, account, right?
00:36:29.160
You know, we were sort of created in this, this immoral state and, and, and we were in
00:36:35.100
the garden and then the serpent comes along and says, you want to be like God.
00:36:38.200
You want to know that you want to have the knowledge.
00:36:40.000
And I think that these, you know, that, uh, human beings ability to like innovate technology
00:36:48.020
I think, I think, yeah, I think that, I think there are certain, not all of it.
00:36:55.180
No, I would say the, I think it's the acceleration.
00:36:57.480
I think, I think what, and we've had, we've run through this.
00:37:01.780
If you want to run through the genealogy, everybody wants to, doesn't want to slog through
00:37:05.760
But when you do, you can line up a lot of the, this person was the father of metallurgy.
00:37:11.080
This person was the father of animal husbandry.
00:37:13.060
This, this, this person did this and it lines up pretty well with, with what happened the
00:37:22.760
Um, so it's not that we don't have the ability to innovate.
00:37:27.340
We, we are, we are given, we create, and we are told to, that we had dominion over this,
00:37:35.440
And subdue it, to take the earth and subdue it.
00:37:38.500
But what I think happened is that there, there had to be a transaction.
00:37:43.460
Um, and part of that was the sharing of, of knowledge to accelerate it.
00:37:48.040
And that was interesting is you can look at the historical record and there are, I think
00:37:53.080
the one that's really, really fascinating is, is the discovery of like Gobekliatepe in Turkey.
00:37:58.420
If you're not familiar with this discovery, it is, um, one of the oldest, if not the oldest
00:38:03.120
civilizations or civilization city that's been discovered and it's super complex.
00:38:09.400
And it, and it comes at a time that the historical record would say that we were hunter gatherers
00:38:15.340
and we weren't, we weren't agrarian and out of nowhere, massively complex temple complexes
00:38:21.400
and religious circles and a huge stone city is discovered.
00:38:27.600
Like how did these people who are just doing, you know, who are, who are following, you know,
00:38:32.580
herds of animals and, and not, not agrarian, not farming, all of a sudden create all of
00:38:37.820
this, um, civil, civilized creation technology.
00:38:43.600
So we, we, we, we surmise and it's our opinion.
00:38:48.380
Um, but there, I think you can find it in the biblical text that there was at least at
00:38:52.060
the very least a transaction of ideas that, that these fallen angels that came from.
00:38:58.500
Aliens and UFOs, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot giants, are any of these blurry creatures real?
00:39:07.060
And if there is evidence of their existence, how would this fit into a biblical worldview?
00:39:15.020
Well, the hosts of the podcast, blurry creatures are here today to help us think through a lot
00:39:23.000
It's a really, really interesting conversation that again, I wanted to do as we are leading
00:39:30.520
Now you guys know my perspective on Halloween is not the same as how the world celebrates
00:39:35.780
Go back and listen to yesterday's episode or watch yesterday's episode if you haven't
00:39:40.680
already caused a little bit of controversy in the comment section of YouTube, as there
00:39:46.020
was a lot of spirited disagreement with what my guest yesterday argued about Halloween.
00:39:52.200
But you should also go back and listen to an episode that I did with my mom a couple years
00:39:56.180
ago about how she uses Halloween to celebrate the gospel and to share the gospel with her neighbors
00:40:09.180
As Christians, I do think this is an issue around which we have a lot of Christian liberty
00:40:13.840
and that you must apply the word of God with wisdom and with conviction of the Holy Spirit to lead
00:40:21.000
your family and yourself in a way that aligns with beauty and truth.
00:40:27.600
I do, though, think it's possible to bring redemption, to bring light, to bring the gospel to Halloween
00:40:34.280
and certain Halloween traditions without celebrating gore.
00:40:38.400
So part of that, part of kind of looking at the mysterious, looking into the realm of the paranormal is how I am kind of leading up to Halloween on this show.
00:40:53.540
So yesterday we talked about the origin of Halloween, the real history of Halloween.
00:40:57.940
And today we are looking in this kind of in-between world.
00:41:02.280
Now, you will hear in my conversation with these two hosts, who are awesome, by the way, that I've got some questions, okay?
00:41:10.100
Like, I've got some serious skepticism about what they're talking about.
00:41:15.360
And I'm going to go to the Bible and ask them some questions about how the possible existence of some of these things that are typically referred to as myths would fit into God's word.
00:41:30.520
So really, really interesting conversation that I know that you all are going to love.
00:41:36.040
Now, before we get into it, I've got a few things to say.
00:41:38.500
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00:41:50.420
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00:41:58.280
And that is my Democrat DNC ad parody, where I act like I am the spokesperson for the Democrat Party.
00:42:05.520
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00:42:08.940
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00:42:18.480
We went even farther than we typically do creatively.
00:42:23.280
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00:42:35.960
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Whoever wants to answer this first question, go for it.
00:44:08.940
Tell us what Blurry Creatures is and why you guys started that podcast.
00:44:18.140
We talk about all kinds of fringe creatures, everything from Bigfoot to, you know, werewolf
00:44:23.340
creatures to historical creatures, ancient giants.
00:44:27.720
I had the idea in 2019 to do a podcast about this because I was remodeling houses and I was
00:44:32.480
listening to, I didn't want to listen to anything, you know, political or sports.
00:44:36.260
So I started listening to podcasts about Bigfoot and stuff and eventually I just got, I got
00:44:44.200
So around 2019, designed a logo, got the website and everything.
00:44:48.660
And then Luke and I were friends via some other friends and he was tweeting about Bigfoot
00:44:54.040
one day and I was like, hey, I got this idea, start a podcast.
00:44:57.780
Because I knew Luke did a podcast with his brother and he knew how to do podcasting.
00:45:01.460
So we decided to start a Bigfoot podcast with all filtered through the biblical paradigm
00:45:07.540
and it just kind of took off and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into.
00:45:12.280
But we talk a lot about ancient history, biblical history, the Nephilim giants and Bigfoot and
00:45:21.140
We have a, the list of creatures is getting longer by the day.
00:45:26.740
We thought maybe, you know, I don't know how many podcast episodes we can do about this,
00:45:29.740
but man, there's so many creatures out there that are considered blurry and blurry has kind
00:45:33.500
of become its own sort of adjective of what we talk about.
00:45:37.920
And it's funny, people are like, this is blurry and they'll send us a picture of something
00:45:41.700
that's like some sort of weird anomaly that's out there, some sort of UFO.
00:45:46.180
So we talk, yeah, we do get into aliens and UFOs and all that other stuff too, but we try
00:45:50.260
to filter it all through the biblical paradigm.
00:45:51.620
So that's kind of how it started and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into.
00:45:57.680
Luke, could you tell us like what exactly is meant by blurry creatures?
00:46:01.900
Because before I listened to the podcast, I had no, I had no idea what it was going to
00:46:08.060
All the people that recommended it to me, they did not even tell me.
00:46:14.440
So tell us like why you picked that name, Blurry Creatures.
00:46:20.180
You know, it comes out of, it's tongue in cheek, right?
00:46:22.980
It's the idea that like all these pictures of, of Bigfoot end up blurry for whatever reason.
00:46:30.620
I think it's Mitch Hedberg, Nate, that where he talks about the idea that the Bigfoot always
00:46:37.560
Um, but I think what the, the idea with, with the show itself is that people have experiences
00:46:44.960
People have encounters with things they can't explain.
00:46:47.320
And if you come from a Christian perspective, there's a lot of things like, like that,
00:46:52.380
that you, a lot of people have trouble putting into their, their Christian paradigm.
00:46:56.400
And I think the church really doesn't address a lot of what the world calls paranormal and
00:47:01.740
the paranormal world out there doesn't really address any of it through the context of, of
00:47:09.600
And so, because we're Christians, one of our, one of the things this has turned into
00:47:14.240
is, is trying to put all these things into a biblical paradigm that, that, that this stuff
00:47:19.740
does all fit, that you can explain these things through, through the understanding of the Bible
00:47:30.940
Like Nate said that we, we started out to just kind of figure out what was Bigfoot going
00:47:36.720
It's, it's, it's taken us into a lot of different places, but what I think we're really trying
00:47:41.520
to do is provide context for a lot of things that people are experiencing.
00:47:46.720
We know the government is just really, in the last year has started to publicly recognize
00:47:53.220
Of course they changed the UFO moniker to UAP, right?
00:47:55.780
Because UFO has all of these, these stigmas attached to it, right?
00:48:02.180
And what's UAP, unidentified, aerial phenomena, aerial, oh, okay.
00:48:09.080
So there, these things are happening and I don't think the church has done a great job
00:48:17.160
And that's really what Nate and I are trying to do is to try to find better answers.
00:48:22.420
You know, through, with, with our foundation as, with our foundation as our faith.
00:48:26.920
And so for whatever reason, it's resonated with a lot of people.
00:48:30.780
I think that, that our, that our faith and the Christianity is big enough to encompass
00:48:37.780
And there are explanations for all of this in the biblical texts and in, in, in the biblical
00:48:43.080
And that's, that's what getting blurry is all about, right?
00:48:48.020
Well, I'm curious to hear more specifically about the alien UFO issue, because I have been
00:48:56.880
asked that, as you said, there has been more coverage on this over the past couple of years.
00:49:02.220
There have been some people in the media and the news, mostly conservative, which is kind
00:49:06.640
Um, just saying, okay, do we have any priority to try to identify what these UFOs are?
00:49:15.820
And so people have asked me, could it be possible theologically for there to be life on other
00:49:23.160
Like what could these UFOs be if it's not some kind of spying device from say China?
00:49:28.780
And so how have you guys worked that out biblically?
00:49:31.540
Like, is it possible biblically with what we know about the universe and who God made
00:49:36.260
for there to be a different life form on another planet?
00:49:41.160
I mean, we, I mean, the Bible talks about this specifically, like we talk about a lot about
00:49:46.920
If you read Genesis six through, through the sort of the, what the ancients read it as
00:49:50.840
is that you had angels coming into our realm and, and messing with human beings and they
00:49:58.540
And so we talk about the Genesis six event in sort of the biblical paradigm that most
00:50:05.080
seminaries kind of interpreted as something completely different.
00:50:08.560
So what we try to do is say, Hey, this isn't a new thing.
00:50:12.060
Um, anything extraterrestrial is just an off earth entity, right?
00:50:16.020
Human beings have been given dominion, dominion here on earth by God, but anything else, angels,
00:50:21.160
other entities that are in sort of the, the heavenly court is what we talk about because the Bible
00:50:26.580
talks about all kinds of strange things, right?
00:50:28.900
And anything that's not, that wasn't given dominion here on earth would technically be
00:50:38.180
And to talk about it in Genesis, it's just sort of the government has reframed this and
00:50:42.240
Hollywood has reframed this as alien, but anything not human is technically alien.
00:50:47.300
So the Bible has a lot of these encounters, you know, all, all throughout the Bible, these
00:50:53.820
angels that are not from here are interacting with human beings.
00:50:57.140
And I think, so you're saying aliens are aliens, how we see them like ET type thing.
00:51:05.420
Like is you're saying that they're actually encounters with angels?
00:51:09.560
Like angels are these, are what people are referring to as aliens?
00:51:17.420
I think sometimes encounters with non-human entities technically are, if you, if you take
00:51:27.540
So non-earth entity would, angels would fall into that category.
00:51:32.000
But in terms of like the Hollywoodized version of an alien, you know, we'd have to get down
00:51:37.820
the specifics, are we talking about the gray aliens?
00:51:39.740
Are we talking about, you know, who's flying the UFOs?
00:51:43.340
Sometimes it's all the above, you know, it's like, who is crafting, who is flying these craft?
00:51:49.900
I think you have to sort of get Christians to understand that like, you know, non-earth
00:51:54.340
entities have been coming here and interacting with human beings and it's in the Bible and
00:51:59.120
you can, it's, you can support it through scripture and make it, and you have to start there and
00:52:03.120
then kind of work your way up to modern day encounters.
00:52:06.400
It's, it's hard to convince somebody from the beginning of just saying, oh, aliens are
00:52:10.420
here, but, and then they're like, wait, I've never heard of anything like this.
00:52:13.520
We're like, we have to go back to Genesis and, and read some of these more obscure accounts
00:52:16.680
and actually understand that this isn't anything new, technically speaking.
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I guess my question would be like where that fits into the creation accounts because these
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are not animals and they're not, they wouldn't be human beings made in the image of God.
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They're not included, I would guess, in God's plan of redemption through Christ since they're
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And so, or, but if they're not angels, because you said only sometimes you think these interactions
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I have a hard time fitting that into my understanding of creation and God's eternal plan of redemption
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What are these like other humans, subhuman things?
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You know, I just don't have like a theological category in my mind to put them in.
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No, I think that's a great, that's a great question.
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I think that the Bible in and of itself is the story of, of God redeeming humanity unto
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himself and, and, and redeeming humanity back into the family of God.
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But, um, but we know that we know from the Bible that there are angels, there are hosts
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There are, there's a diversity of creation as you would imagine that it isn't on earth.
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If you want to use that term, the spiritual realm or in the heavenlies.
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And we know that there was a rebellion in heaven.
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We know that from Job, that when the earth was created, that the, the angels, the angels
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So there is a, a kingdom of heaven that, that I think we can understand in the same way that
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And these are, you know, angels is a medieval term, right?
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It's the idea of angelos is, is, is a messenger.
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And I think in some ways we've simplified a very diverse spiritual realm.
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Like we, we know from, I think the darkness is the easiest way to kind of understand that
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there's a lot of weird things that are, are bad in the spiritual realm.
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And I think, you know, from people's experiences with the demonic and, and even some of these,
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these creatures we know are bad and nefarious sort of evil things that you can have quite
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a diversity of, you know, of creation in, in the spiritual realm.
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So I think that the idea that we limit, um, and the Bible doesn't talk, here's the other
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thing, Ali, the Bible doesn't talk a lot about that.
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The Bible is specifically about our story, right?
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Nate talked about Genesis six and the idea that there was the, these, the sons of God.
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And you can find this same word, um, in Psalm 82 and you can find it in, in Deuteronomy 32.
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The, the, there are specific terminology for spiritual beings, these, what we call the angels,
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And I think we've just, we've sort of decided because of, uh, medieval art, because of the
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Renaissance art that, that these things have wings, they look like this, and this is the
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only way they look like, and we've really just, just created two things.
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It's like demons are really gnarly looking and, and nasty and they do this and angels
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But then you read revelation and John describing what he's seeing.
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And it's like, there's some crazy stuff out there.
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There's four heads and there's, there's flaming, there's flaming beings that, you know, that
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even that God placed at the gate of Eden when we were, when we were booted out.
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Um, so I, I think we need to open our mind in some ways to, to, if there's diversity of
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creation here on earth, we can look around, I can look at my window and see trees and deer
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and cows and horses and, and creation is, is immensely diverse.
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I think oftentimes we, you know, as earth and as on earth that is, is in heaven, this idea
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that, that I think we really limit, we're putting a limit on God to think that there's just
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like one set of this and one set of that when it comes to the heavenly realm.
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Um, so I think they can, they're just the, your answer to my question of like where it
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falls in line with the creation categories is that in, in y'all's mind, these are spiritual
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These aren't like a subcategory of humans or animals that these are somewhere in the spiritual
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And we don't know exactly where, and we don't know exactly what they're doing, but
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it is possible that these are spiritual beings that at some points have interacted in our
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And we, we talk a lot about that on the show about how originally that's where the giants
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So if you look back in the, in the, you know, the old Testament, you have Dave, David and
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Goliath is the most popular story of humans interact, you know, David and this giant.
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Well, that's just one tribe and there's, there's literally dozens of tribes in the old Testament
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And if you look back, historically speaking, these angels bred with humans.
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And that's the, that's how the Hebrews viewed that giants got here.
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They were, they were, they were not supposed to be here, but they were part human, part
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And a lot of people say, that's what the Greeks were writing about.
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The Greek gods, these, these half man, half, half angel demigods.
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And so that was their way of recording the history.
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But the Bible talks about it too, calls them the men of renown in Genesis.
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The flood, the flood was a part of resetting humanity, give humanity back the dominion here
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And so we talk about how plants, animals, humans, everything was corrupted.
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It isn't because humans are just particularly sinful at this gen, this generation.
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It's like the whole world was genetically corrupted and it sounds fantastic before.
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It sounds crazy, but it's, it's, it's very much how the ancients have viewed the world.
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And what we do is we say, Hey, people are still seeing these creatures today.
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People are having sleep paralysis episodes where things are coming into their room and they're
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swearing to us and that this isn't a physical entity coming and interacting with me.
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How do you explain this to the biblical paradigm?
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Well, I think we've just sort of lost the magic and the whimsy of this whole story, right?
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Like God created human beings, put them on this earth, but we're not the center of the story.
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You know, we, there's so much else going on around us.
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And there's this war that we were sort of born into between, you know, heaven and hell.
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And sometimes we see sort of the, the effects of this war, if that makes sense.
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Like we're, you know, we don't know always what's going on, but God has sort of protected
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But there are some Christians out there who swear they can see behind the veil and they
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can sort of see these, these, um, different creatures and different entities that, that God
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And it's, it's pretty amazing how many people have a story of something paranormal or weird.
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So like Luke said in the beginning, like what we do is there's a lot of church and theological
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And there's a lot of paranormal podcasts that are afraid to get theological.
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And what we do is kind of put those things together and say, look, the Bible is strange.
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It's got a lot of weird stuff in it and that's okay.
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And the, and, and the weirder is in our mind is the more important.
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And I, and I love that about scripture is it doesn't, it's not PC.
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It, it allows you to be an adult and says, here's a weird thing.
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And I think the church a lot of times just tiptoes around those things that we can't
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It's too strange, but I don't think ancient people were afraid of complicated ideas and
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I mean, and we talk a lot about, you know, the ancient world, where were they building pyramids
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and all these structures and how do they do that?
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And, and we filtered all through the biblical paradigm and give a lot of people answers
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because they're going to, a lot of people are seeing.