Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 698 ｜ Aliens, Nephilim, Bigfoot & the Bible ｜ Guest： Nate Henry & Luke Rodgers (Blurry Creatures)

00:00:00.000 Aliens and UFOs, the Loch Ness Monster, Bigfoot, giants, are any of these blurry creatures real?

00:00:09.220 And if there is evidence of their existence, how would this fit into a biblical worldview?

00:00:16.800 Well, the hosts of the podcast, Blurry Creatures, are here today to help us think through a lot of these things.

00:00:24.680 It's a really, really interesting conversation that, again, I wanted to do as we are leading up to Halloween.

00:00:32.480 Now, you guys know my perspective on Halloween is not the same as how the world celebrates Halloween.

00:00:38.080 Go back and listen to yesterday's episode or watch yesterday's episode if you haven't already.

00:00:43.260 Caused a little bit of controversy in the comment section of YouTube as there was a lot of spirited disagreement with what my guest yesterday argued about Halloween.

00:00:53.680 But you should also go back and listen to an episode that I did with my mom a couple years ago about how she uses Halloween to celebrate the gospel and to share the gospel with her neighbors to truly be light in a darkness.

00:01:07.520 My perspective is that that is possible.

00:01:10.540 As Christians, I do think this is an issue around which we have a lot of Christian liberty and that you must apply the word of God with wisdom and with conviction of the Holy Spirit to lead your family and yourself in a way that aligns with beauty and truth.

00:01:29.320 I do, though, think it's possible to bring redemption, to bring light, to bring the gospel to Halloween and certain Halloween traditions without celebrating gore.

00:01:40.440 So part of that, part of kind of looking at the mysterious, looking into the realm of the paranormal, is how I am kind of leading up to Halloween on this show.

00:01:55.200 So yesterday we talked about the origin of Halloween, the real history of Halloween, and today we are looking in this kind of in-between world.

00:02:04.080 Now, you will hear in my conversation with these two hosts, who are awesome, by the way, that I've got some questions, okay?

00:02:11.720 Like, I've got some serious skepticism about what they're talking about.

00:02:16.080 I've got some disagreement, and I'm going to go to the Bible and ask them some questions about how the possible existence of some of these things that are typically referred to as myths would fit into God's word.

00:02:32.300 So really, really interesting conversation that I know that you all are going to love.

00:02:37.580 Now, before we get into it, I've got a few things to say.

00:02:40.280 Number one, tonight, Wednesday, October 26th, we are putting out a parody, a parody that you have seen a couple times before.

00:02:52.220 I did the first parody like this in 2018, the second in 2020, and now the third, just in time for the midterms.

00:03:00.060 And that is my Democrat DNC ad parody, where I act like I am a spokesperson for the Democrat Party.

00:03:07.320 And I tell you why you need to vote blue this November.

00:03:10.720 And this one, in my opinion, it's the best that we've done.

00:03:14.020 I loved the first two.

00:03:15.380 Really fun.

00:03:16.320 Got a really great reaction from you guys.

00:03:18.980 But this one is the best.

00:03:20.260 We went even farther than we typically do creatively.

00:03:23.840 You guys are going to love it.

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00:04:08.220 Make sure your Christian conservative friends understand why voting matters.

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00:04:13.920 Maybe you are the leader in your friend group, in your Bible study, in your family, in your

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00:05:03.200 Now, without further ado, here are our new friends from Blurry Creatures.

00:05:09.180 Nate, Luke, thank you so much for joining us.

00:05:22.440 Whoever wants to answer this first question, go for it.

00:05:25.260 Tell us what Blurry Creatures is and why you guys started that podcast.

00:05:30.480 Blurry Creatures is a podcast.

00:05:34.100 We talk about all kinds of fringe creatures, everything from Bigfoot to, you know, werewolf

00:05:39.300 creatures to historical creatures, ancient giants.

00:05:43.760 I had the idea in 2019 to do a podcast about this because I was remodeling houses and I was

00:05:48.420 listening to, I didn't want to listen to anything, you know, political or sports.

00:05:52.200 So I started listening to podcasts about Bigfoot and stuff and eventually I just got, I got

00:05:59.140 sucked into it.

00:06:00.140 So, um, around 2019 designed a logo, got the website and everything.

00:06:04.380 And then Luke and I were friends, uh, via some other friends and he was tweeting about

00:06:09.660 Bigfoot one day and I was like, Hey, I got this idea, start a podcast.

00:06:12.880 You want to do it with me?

00:06:13.720 Because I knew Luke did a podcast with his brother and he knew how to do podcasting.

00:06:17.420 So we decided to start a Bigfoot podcast with, uh, all filtered through the biblical paradigm

00:06:23.480 and it just kind of took off and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into, but

00:06:28.420 we talk a lot about ancient history, biblical history, um, the Nephilim giants and, and Bigfoot

00:06:34.440 and all that stuff.

00:06:35.200 So it's Blurry Creatures can be anything.

00:06:37.040 We have a, the list of creatures is getting longer by the day.

00:06:40.880 Um, it's pretty interesting.

00:06:42.520 We thought maybe, you know, I don't know how many podcast episodes we can do about this,

00:06:45.700 but man, there's so many creatures out there that are considered blurry and blurry has

00:06:49.320 kind of become its own sort of adjective of, of what we talk about.

00:06:53.840 And it's, it's funny.

00:06:54.820 People are like, this is blurry.

00:06:56.040 And they'll send us a picture of something that's like some sort of weird anomaly that's

00:07:00.400 out there or some sort of UFO.

00:07:02.120 So we talk, we, yeah, we do get into aliens and UFOs and all that other stuff too, but we

00:07:06.100 try to filter it all through the biblical paradigm.

00:07:07.580 So that's, that's kind of how it started.

00:07:08.960 And yeah, we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into.

00:07:11.940 So yeah.

00:07:12.240 So you mentioned that word blurry.

00:07:13.640 Luke, could you tell us like what exactly is meant by blurry creatures?

00:07:17.900 Because before I listened to the podcast, I had no, I had no idea what it was going to

00:07:23.460 be about.

00:07:24.020 All the people that recommended it to me, they did not even tell me.

00:07:27.460 They just said, you have to listen to this.

00:07:28.800 So I didn't know what to expect.

00:07:30.400 So tell us like why you picked that name, blurry creatures.

00:07:35.020 Yeah.

00:07:36.140 You know, it comes out of, it's tongue in cheek, right?

00:07:38.920 It's the idea that like all these pictures of, of Bigfoot end up blurry for whatever reason.

00:07:43.260 And so there's a, there's actually a, a joke.

00:07:46.580 I think it's Mitch Hedberg, Nate, that, where he talks about the idea that the Bigfoot always

00:07:51.120 has blurry, blurry creatures.

00:07:52.200 It's meant to be kind of funny.

00:07:53.000 Um, but I think what the, the idea with, with the show itself is that people have experiences

00:07:59.900 they can't explain.

00:08:00.920 People have encounters with things they can't explain.

00:08:03.940 And if you come from a Christian perspective, there's a lot of things like, like that, that

00:08:08.420 you, a lot of people have trouble putting into their, their Christian paradigm.

00:08:12.340 And, and I think the church really doesn't address a lot of what the world calls paranormal

00:08:16.520 and the paranormal world out there doesn't really address any of it through the context

00:08:23.360 of, of the church or Christianity.

00:08:25.540 And so because we're Christians, one of our, one of the things this has turned into is, is

00:08:31.220 trying to put all these things into a biblical paradigm that, that, that this stuff does all

00:08:36.160 fit, that you can explain these things through, through the understanding of the Bible and the

00:08:42.300 Old Testament and, and our faith.

00:08:45.240 And that's become kind of the common ground.

00:08:46.840 Like Nate said that we, we started out to just kind of figure out what was Bigfoot going

00:08:50.940 to be.

00:08:51.160 And it's really a journey podcast.

00:08:52.640 It's, it's, it's taken us into a lot of different places, but what I think we're really

00:08:57.300 trying to do is provide context for a lot of things that people are experiencing.

00:09:02.580 We know the government is just really, in the last year has started to publicly recognize

00:09:08.240 what they call UAPs.

00:09:09.180 Of course, they changed the UFO moniker to UAP, right?

00:09:11.760 Because UFO has all of these, these stigmas attached to it, right?

00:09:17.040 Yes, exactly.

00:09:18.420 And what's UAP?

00:09:20.160 Unidentified?

00:09:21.080 Aerial phenomena.

00:09:22.180 Aerial phenomena.

00:09:23.240 Oh, okay.

00:09:24.040 Got it.

00:09:24.980 So there, these things are happening and I don't think the church has done a great job

00:09:30.040 of, of addressing any of this, right?

00:09:31.920 Maybe there aren't great answers.

00:09:33.100 And that's really what Nate and I are trying to do is to try to find better answers.

00:09:36.160 Yeah.

00:09:38.360 You know, through, with, with our foundation as, with our foundation as our faith.

00:09:43.000 And so for whatever reason, it's resonated with a lot of people.

00:09:46.740 I think that, that our, that our faith and that Christianity is big enough to encompass

00:09:52.080 all of these things.

00:09:53.740 And there are explanations for all of this in the biblical texts and in, in, in the biblical

00:09:58.460 narrative and that's, that's what getting blurry is all about, right?

00:10:04.040 Yeah.

00:10:04.420 Well, I'm curious to hear more specifically about the alien UFO issue because I have been

00:10:12.840 asked that, as you said, there has been more coverage on this over the past couple of years.

00:10:17.960 There have been some people in the media and the news, mostly conservative, which is kind

00:10:22.000 of interesting, just saying, okay, do we have any priority to try to identify what these

00:10:29.220 UFOs are?

00:10:30.420 There have been sightings.

00:10:31.780 And so people have asked me, could it be possible theologically for there to be life

00:10:37.400 on other planets?

00:10:39.100 Like what could these UFOs be if it's not some kind of spying device from say China?

00:10:44.580 And so how have you guys worked that out biblically?

00:10:47.620 Like, is it possible biblically with what we know about the universe and who God made

00:10:52.220 for there to be a different life form on another planet?

00:10:56.500 Yeah.

00:10:57.100 I mean, we, I mean, the Bible talks about this specifically, like we talk about a lot about

00:11:01.260 Genesis six event.

00:11:02.880 If you read Genesis six through, through the sort of the, what the ancients read it as is

00:11:06.960 that you had angels coming into our realm and, and messing with human beings and they

00:11:12.960 traded women for technology. 1.00

00:11:15.300 And so we talk about the Genesis six event in sort of the biblical paradigm that most

00:11:21.020 seminaries kind of interpreted as something completely different.

00:11:24.500 So what we try to do is say, Hey, this isn't a new thing.

00:11:28.000 Um, anything extraterrestrial is just an off earth entity, right?

00:11:31.980 Human beings have been given dominion, dominion here on earth by God, but anything else, angels, 0.93

00:11:36.380 other entities that are in sort of the, the, uh, heavenly court is what we talk about because

00:11:42.240 the Bible talks about all kinds of strange things, right?

00:11:44.840 And anything that's not, that wasn't given dominion here on earth would technically be

00:11:49.700 an ET.

00:11:51.100 So it's not a new thing.

00:11:53.480 It's been happening.

00:11:54.060 And to talk about it in Genesis, it's just sort of the government has reframed this and

00:11:58.180 Hollywood has reframed this as alien, but anything not human is technically alien.

00:12:02.760 Does that make sense?

00:12:03.240 So the Bible has a lot of these encounters, you know, all, all throughout the Bible, these

00:12:09.780 angels that are not from here are interacting with human beings.

00:12:13.060 And I think, so you're saying aliens are aliens, how we see them like ET type thing.

00:12:21.360 Like is you're saying that they're actually encounters with angels, like angels are these

00:12:27.460 are what people are referring to as aliens.

00:12:30.660 I think sometimes I don't think always.

00:12:33.240 I think sometimes encounters with non-human entities technically are, if you, if you take

00:12:40.960 the word ET, it's extra, extra terrestrial, right?

00:12:43.500 So non earth entity would, angels would fall into that category.

00:12:47.960 But in terms of like the Hollywood eyes version of an alien, you know, we'd have to get down

00:12:53.760 to specifics.

00:12:54.240 Are we talking about the gray aliens? 1.00

00:12:55.660 Are we talking about, you know, who's flying the UFOs?

00:12:58.840 It's sometimes it's all the above, you know, it's like, who is crafting, who is flying

00:13:03.840 these craft?

00:13:04.560 It's, it's complicated.

00:13:05.840 I think you have to sort of get Christians to understand that like, you know, non earth 1.00

00:13:10.260 entities have been coming here and interacting with human beings and it's in the Bible and

00:13:15.060 you can, it's, you can support it through scripture and make it, and you have to start

00:13:18.160 there and then kind of work your way up to modern day encounters.

00:13:21.600 Does that make sense?

00:13:22.360 It's, it's, it's hard to convince somebody from the beginning of just saying, oh, aliens

00:13:26.200 are here, but, and then they're like, wait, I've never heard of anything like this.

00:13:29.460 We're like, we have to go back to Genesis and, and read some of these more obscure accounts

00:13:32.620 and actually understand that this isn't anything new, technically speaking.

00:13:36.380 I guess my question would be like where that fits into the creation accounts, because these

00:13:53.780 are not animals and they're not, they wouldn't be human beings made in the image of God.

00:14:00.080 So like, what are they, where do they fall in the, in the creation categories?

00:14:06.100 They're not included, I would guess, in God's plan of redemption through Christ and they're

00:14:10.660 not image bearers.

00:14:12.340 And so, or, but if they're not angels, because you said only sometimes you think these interactions

00:14:17.120 are with angels and sometimes they're not, I have a hard time fitting that into my understanding

00:14:23.180 of creation and God's eternal plan of redemption for human beings.

00:14:27.640 What are these like other humans, subhuman things? 0.99

00:14:33.980 You know, I just don't have like a theological category in my mind to put them in.

00:14:38.240 Luke, what do you think?

00:14:40.180 No, I think that's a great, that's a great question.

00:14:41.880 I think that the Bible in and of itself is the story of, of God redeeming humanity unto himself

00:14:50.600 and, and, and redeeming humanity back into the family of God.

00:14:54.460 But, but we know that, we know from the Bible that there are angels, there are hosts of

00:15:00.160 heaven.

00:15:00.620 There is, there are fallen angels.

00:15:03.220 There are, there's a diversity of creation as you would imagine that it isn't on earth.

00:15:09.580 It's, that is in the, in the spiritual realm.

00:15:12.060 If you want to use that term, the spiritual realm or in the heavenlies.

00:15:14.640 And we know that there was a rebellion in heaven.

00:15:16.760 We know that from Job, that when the earth was created, that the, the, the angels, the

00:15:23.120 angels cheered, the angels stood and watched.

00:15:25.560 So there is a, a kingdom of heaven that, that I think we can understand in the same way that

00:15:32.460 we have the diversity of creation on earth.

00:15:34.140 There's a diversity of creation in heaven.

00:15:35.720 And, and these are, you know, angels is a medieval term, right?

00:15:41.000 It's the idea of angelos is, is, is a messenger.

00:15:44.380 And, and I think in some ways we've simplified a very diverse spiritual realm.

00:15:50.800 Like we, we know from, I think the darkness is the easiest way to kind of understand that

00:15:55.220 there's a lot of weird things that are, are bad in the spiritual realm.

00:15:58.760 And I think, you know, from people's experiences with the demonic and, and even some of these,

00:16:05.840 these creatures we know are bad, nefarious, sort of evil things that you can have quite

00:16:10.140 a diversity of, you know, of creation in the spiritual realm.

00:16:16.900 Yeah.

00:16:17.140 So I think that the idea that we limit, um, and the Bible doesn't, here's the other thing,

00:16:23.040 Ali, the Bible doesn't talk a lot about that.

00:16:25.180 The Bible is specifically about our story, right?

00:16:27.460 There are breadcrumbs.

00:16:29.100 Nate talked about Genesis six and the idea that there was the, these, the sons of God.

00:16:34.860 You go back to the Hebrew, right? 1.00

00:16:36.040 Hebrew and it's Elohim. 0.85

00:16:37.420 And you can find this same word, um, in Psalm 82 and you can find it in, in Deuteronomy 32.

00:16:44.200 The, the, there are specific terminology for spiritual beings, these, what we call the angels,

00:16:51.720 the sons of God, but it's very broad brush.

00:16:53.780 And I think we've just, we've sort of decided because of, uh, medieval art, because of the

00:16:58.680 Renaissance art that, that these things have wings, they look like this, and this is the

00:17:02.480 only way they look like.

00:17:03.320 And we've really just, just created two things.

00:17:05.720 It's like demons are really gnarly looking and, and nasty.

00:17:09.160 And they do this and angels have wings and they're, and they're white.

00:17:12.600 But then you read revelation and John describing what he's seeing.

00:17:16.560 And it's like, there's some crazy stuff out there.

00:17:18.400 There's four heads and there's, there's flaming, there's flaming beings that, you know, that

00:17:24.460 even that God placed at the gate of Eden when we were, when we were booted out.

00:17:27.740 Um, so I, I think we need to open our mind in some ways to, to, if there's diversity of

00:17:34.480 creation here on earth, we can look around.

00:17:35.760 And I can look at my window and see trees and deer and cows and horses and, and creation

00:17:42.660 is, is immensely diverse.

00:17:44.440 I think oftentimes we, you know, as earth and as on earth, that is, is, is in heaven.

00:17:49.960 This idea that, that I think we really limit, we're putting a limit on God to think that

00:17:54.800 there's just like one set of this and one set of that when it comes to the heavenly realm.

00:17:59.520 Um, so I think they can, they're just the, your answer to my question of like where it

00:18:06.440 falls in line with the creation categories is that in, in y'all's mind, these are spiritual

00:18:12.800 beings.

00:18:13.280 These aren't like a subcategory of humans or animals that these are somewhere in the spiritual

00:18:19.540 realm.

00:18:20.080 Right.

00:18:20.400 And we don't know exactly where, and we don't know exactly what they're doing, but it is

00:18:25.280 possible that these are spiritual beings that at some points have interacted in our physical

00:18:30.740 realm.

00:18:32.000 Yeah.

00:18:32.640 Yeah.

00:18:32.880 And we talk, we talk a lot about that on the show about how originally that's where the

00:18:36.780 giants came from.

00:18:38.640 So if you look back in the, in the, you know, the old Testament, you have Dave, David and

00:18:42.660 Goliath is the most popular story of humans interact, you know, David and this giant.

00:18:47.180 Well, that's just one tribe.

00:18:49.500 And there's, there's literally dozens of tribes in the old Testament of these, these giants.

00:18:53.840 And if you look back, historically speaking, these angels bred with humans.

00:18:58.880 And that's the, that's how the Hebrews viewed that giants got here. 0.70

00:19:02.520 They were hybrids.

00:19:03.580 They were, they were, they were not supposed to be here, but they were part human, part

00:19:08.480 angel.

00:19:08.860 And that's the men of renown.

00:19:10.660 And a lot of people say, that's what the Greeks were writing about.

00:19:12.940 The Greek gods, these, these half man, half, half angel demigods.

00:19:18.120 And so that was their way of recording the history.

00:19:20.820 But the Bible talks about it too, calls them the men of renown in Genesis.

00:19:24.280 And, and that's why the flood came.

00:19:26.640 The flood, the flood was a part of resetting humanity, give humanity back the dominion here 0.87

00:19:30.820 on earth because he had corrupted creation.

00:19:33.600 And so we talk about how plants, animals, humans, everything was corrupted.

00:19:37.940 That's why God floods the world.

00:19:39.140 It isn't because humans are just particularly sinful at this gen, this generation.

00:19:44.100 It's like the whole world was genetically corrupted.

00:19:46.800 And it sounds fantastic.

00:19:48.580 I've never heard that before.

00:19:49.320 It sounds crazy, but it's, it's, it's very much how the ancients have viewed the world.

00:19:54.920 And it's the biblical story.

00:19:56.720 And what we do is we say, Hey, people are still seeing these creatures today.

00:20:00.500 People are still seeing weird things.

00:20:02.040 People are having sleep paralysis episodes where things are coming into their room and they're

00:20:05.380 swearing to us.

00:20:06.420 And that this isn't a physical entity coming and interacting with me.

00:20:10.060 What is it?

00:20:11.160 People see Bigfoot out in the woods.

00:20:13.160 People see werewolf creatures.

00:20:14.780 People see all kinds of stuff.

00:20:16.320 People see these, uh, UFOs flying around.

00:20:18.500 How do you explain this through the biblical paradigm?

00:20:20.420 Well, I think we've just sort of lost the magic and the whimsy of this whole story, right?

00:20:26.200 Like God created human beings, put them on this earth, but we're not the center of the story.

00:20:31.400 You know, we, there's so much else going on around us.

00:20:33.940 And there's this war that we were sort of born into between, you know, heaven and hell.

00:20:37.960 And we're kind of in the middle of it.

00:20:39.780 And sometimes we see sort of the, the effects of this war, if that makes sense.

00:20:43.980 Like we're, you know, we don't know always what's going on, but God has sort of protected

00:20:47.940 us behind the veil to see in all these things.

00:20:50.600 But there are some Christians out there who swear they can see behind the veil and they

00:20:54.200 can sort of see these, these, um, different creatures and different entities that, that

00:21:00.120 God has, has that sort of interacting around us.

00:21:03.420 And it's, it's pretty amazing how many people have a story of something paranormal or weird.

00:21:07.380 So like Luke said in the beginning, like what we do is there's a lot of church and theological

00:21:12.580 podcasts that are afraid to get paranormal.

00:21:14.280 And there's a lot of paranormal podcasts that are afraid to get theological.

00:21:17.180 And what we do is kind of put those things together and say, look, the Bible is strange.

00:21:21.380 It's got a lot of weird stuff in it and that's okay.

00:21:23.280 And the, and, and the weirder is in our mind is the more important.

00:21:27.840 If it's weird, it's important.

00:21:29.380 There's something there.

00:21:30.260 And I, and I love that about scripture is it doesn't, it's not PC.

00:21:34.340 It doesn't tiptoe around anything.

00:21:36.080 It, it allows you to be an adult and says, here's a weird thing.

00:21:39.140 Deal with it.

00:21:39.960 And I think the church a lot of times just tiptoes around those things that we can't

00:21:43.680 talk about that.

00:21:44.540 It's too strange, but I don't think ancient people were afraid of complicated ideas and

00:21:49.700 thoughts.

00:21:50.120 I mean, and we talk a lot about, you know, the ancient world, where were they building

00:21:54.780 pyramids and all these structures and how do they do that?

00:21:57.700 And, and we filtered all through the biblical paradigm, give a lot of people answers because

00:22:01.180 they're going to, a lot of people are seeing the proof that the ancient world isn't what

00:22:06.780 we're being taught in school and historically speaking, and they're getting sucked into

00:22:11.220 like ancient aliens and all these other weird UFO religions.

00:22:16.240 And so what we're saying is no, no, no, this all fits into the, the, the paradigm that the

00:22:20.700 Christian Bible gives you. 0.78

00:22:22.840 And Jesus is redeeming all of this.

00:22:24.820 And this is why you need a savior because the kingdom of darkness is so much bigger and

00:22:29.120 darker than you can imagine.

00:22:30.480 And, and this is what Christ saves you from and, and it's, it's weird how like talking

00:22:36.860 about a creature that you seek and you can work yourself backwards and you're like, okay,

00:22:40.900 I saw this thing when I was a kid, I've thought about it my whole life.

00:22:43.640 I've always been confused, but now I understand that this is just one creature in a, in a line

00:22:49.100 of weird, weird, unexplained things.

00:22:52.160 I don't know if that helps, but that's a lot.

00:23:00.480 I think it's hard for people, as you were saying, it's hard for people to imagine that

00:23:09.540 there could be anything on earth that is undiscoverable for us.

00:23:13.780 Yeah, of course, maybe some things in space, but that there could be anything on planet

00:23:18.600 earth that we haven't been able to identify clearly, not blurrily, but clearly and identify

00:23:25.520 because we kind of feel, I think as humans, maybe it's hubris or maybe it's just technology.

00:23:31.320 We feel kind of like we're at the end of discovery.

00:23:34.020 We're at the end of history, basically, like we're at the end of conquest.

00:23:37.540 When of course we know that's not true, even if we're just looking at science, there are

00:23:41.440 new discoveries that we find every day that correct things that we used to see.

00:23:45.860 And so I do agree that I think we have to open ourselves up to the possibility that there

00:23:51.180 is a lot, even just here on earth, that we have not discovered or know about.

00:23:56.480 I think about the Loch Ness Monster.

00:23:58.540 I studied abroad in Scotland, and so we talk about it, but of course you talk about it like

00:24:03.080 a joke.

00:24:03.920 You don't ever talk about the real possibility.

00:24:07.500 And basically just what we hear is that, yeah, there have been some blurry pictures or there

00:24:12.720 have been some sightings that people thought was really the Loch Ness Monster, but then it

00:24:17.300 turned out to be like a giant fish or something.

00:24:19.600 Okay, so I'm wondering if y'all, maybe you, Luke, if you could talk a little bit more about

00:24:24.440 specifically the Loch Ness Monster.

00:24:26.860 Since I like Scotland, I'm interested in that one.

00:24:30.800 Like, is it possible for there to be a Loch Ness Monster?

00:24:35.200 Yeah, I want to go back to one thing real quick that I think is important to remember.

00:24:40.800 And we talked about the spiritual realm, and we specifically talked about Genesis 6.

00:24:46.080 Um, there was a very physical interaction there in order to procreate, right?

00:24:51.460 Like, I mean, this is a family show, but like this is, this happened.

00:24:54.260 Then we have physical counters.

00:24:55.000 Yeah, can one of you talk a little bit specifically more?

00:24:57.520 What, when y'all said Genesis 6 a couple times, but there's lots of people that don't know what

00:25:02.040 you're referring to.

00:25:02.800 So what are you talking about?

00:25:03.880 Yeah, Genesis 6.4 is that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, saw they were fair,

00:25:09.700 and they took them as wives. 0.50

00:25:11.640 And then there were giants, or however the translation is, Nephilim, born into the land.

00:25:16.580 And so there's, there is a very real physical interaction between the sons of God, which

00:25:23.020 in the Hebrew is the Elohim.

00:25:25.620 Ben Elohim is actually the Hebrew word.

00:25:27.420 And, and that word Elohim is interchangeable in, in the, in the Hebrew, but it doesn't

00:25:33.200 refer to men.

00:25:34.060 So this isn't, there's no way to, to move this around, switch this around and say that

00:25:40.120 this isn't anything but, um, a, a heavenly being, a spiritual being.

00:25:45.700 But look, there's a very physical interaction here.

00:25:47.520 And we see this throughout the Old Testament, whether it be, um, the angel of the Lord coming

00:25:52.240 and eating with Abraham, the angel of the Lord wrestling with Jacob, the angels walking

00:25:56.400 into Sodom and Gomorrah, right?

00:25:57.800 These are, as much as we talk about the spiritual realm and the idea that these are spirits,

00:26:02.100 there's a very much a physicality to these beings, um, in our realm here when they visit

00:26:07.940 our realm.

00:26:08.380 And I think that that, when you start to look at things like that and realize that there

00:26:11.480 had to be these physical interactions, it wasn't just spiritual in the sense that we,

00:26:15.500 the way we imagine a spirit world, um, I think that can change the way that we look

00:26:21.500 at things like UFOs and the way that we look at things, um, interactions with other, other

00:26:28.680 things that don't really fit into our, you know, our earth paradigm in the sense of, of

00:26:34.180 the things that we, that we've been told or taught.

00:26:37.340 Um, that, that, that is what I'm referring to with Genesis six.

00:26:40.340 It's, it's, it's a small part of the Bible, but there's a very significant thing that happens

00:26:43.860 there.

00:26:44.160 And, and, and it sets off a big series of events.

00:26:48.940 You have these hybrid beings, giants, and we know that there are stories across every

00:26:53.200 civilization.

00:26:53.900 We know that they found giant bones up until the 1930s where that all of a sudden they've

00:26:57.940 got whisked away and they're no, they are no more.

00:27:00.420 Um, these were, these are a part of our history.

00:27:03.960 They end up in the Bible in a ton of places, including the most famous with the native talked

00:27:07.480 about David and Goliath, right?

00:27:08.620 Like they have these, these were these hybrid beings. 0.89

00:27:12.020 So yeah, wouldn't they have been, so you're referring to, you said the sons of man or

00:27:20.520 sons of God saw the daughters of man were attractive.

00:27:22.860 They came together.

00:27:23.900 And then Nate, what you were talking about earlier was like genetic corruption on earth.

00:27:29.540 Yeah.

00:27:29.960 And so God says that the earth is corrupted.

00:27:32.900 He saw the wickedness of man was great on earth and every intention of the thoughts of

00:27:36.940 his heart was only evil continually.

00:27:38.500 And so God decided to spare Noah and his family.

00:27:41.620 And of course, some of the animals and send this flood to destroy the earth.

00:27:45.740 So wouldn't have the creatures that you're talking about, wouldn't they have been destroyed?

00:27:49.740 Like if they weren't animals and only Noah's family was preserved, what happened there?

00:27:56.340 So it says they were there before and after, you know, and it says there were giants in the

00:28:00.360 earth in those days before and after that.

00:28:02.500 So some survived somehow.

00:28:03.960 And some people think that maybe they could have gone underground.

00:28:07.460 Maybe they could have gone off earth and come back.

00:28:09.740 Maybe there was another.

00:28:10.680 The Nephilim were on earth in those days. 1.00

00:28:12.180 This is verse four.

00:28:13.460 And also afterward, when the sons of God came into the daughters of man, they bore children 0.96

00:28:18.340 to them.

00:28:18.840 These were the mighty men who were of old.

00:28:20.960 That's men of renown, as you were talking about earlier.

00:28:23.460 Oh yeah.

00:28:23.860 It says the men of renown.

00:28:25.600 Yeah.

00:28:26.460 And so, yeah, that's, that's interesting.

00:28:28.840 I have never noticed that.

00:28:30.160 And also afterward before.

00:28:32.380 Yeah, but it has to be right.

00:28:35.000 You have, you have Goliath that's post flood.

00:28:36.800 So you have a giant and how does that mostly taught that that's just a really tall person.

00:28:41.560 I feel like in church, I think we're typically just, you know, we're told he's tall.

00:28:47.320 Yeah.

00:28:47.660 But it's, it's, it's, don't you think it's interesting though, that like, if you think

00:28:50.340 about it from, and this is what a lot of my friends get hangups on in the old Testament,

00:28:53.480 they don't understand the violence in the old Testament.

00:28:55.560 Why is there, why is God commanding Joshua and Caleb and these other, you know, Israelites 0.99

00:29:00.200 to go out and wipe out these tribes, every last woman and child and their animals, you 1.00

00:29:04.980 have to ask yourself some questions.

00:29:06.340 And so, so many people abandon their faith because they go, God is just this in the old

00:29:10.440 Testament is, he's commanding these people to kill.

00:29:13.260 It's like, well, they're not human. 0.76

00:29:15.080 I mean, if you think about it from that perspective, it's like, they're not supposed to be here.

00:29:18.400 All of them, all of the, all of the enemies of Israel, you think we're not human?

00:29:23.420 I think they were corrupted, genetically corrupted lines of these Nephilim. 0.99

00:29:28.260 And they were, they were practicing, you know, witchcraft and, and sorcery.

00:29:33.560 And they were, they were corrupted beyond just like your typical, you know, understanding

00:29:39.360 of like, like human beings that just reject God.

00:29:42.540 I think that's different than some of these ancient tribes.

00:29:44.920 I think they had, like we've talked about on our show that they were practicing, you

00:29:50.160 know, they were practicing types of sorcery and that were, that were beyond our scope,

00:29:57.620 beyond our understanding to the point where they were corrupting themselves.

00:30:01.720 They were doing things that were so far outside of, of, of God's law that they had to be exterminated.

00:30:07.720 That's what I, that's what I think the old Testament is trying to explain.

00:30:10.940 It's hard, it's hard for even me to say that, but you, you have these commandments of them

00:30:15.740 supposed to wipe these people out.

00:30:17.140 And if you think about it from like just human on human interaction, that seems pretty counter

00:30:22.200 to when Jesus comes and says, love your enemies.

00:30:24.160 Like what, you know what I'm saying?

00:30:26.260 That's a big hangup for most people that theologically speaking, the floods, a big hangup, Sodom, Gomorrah

00:30:30.860 is a big hangup.

00:30:31.720 Um, you know, these, these wars in the old Testament are a big hangup, but if you think

00:30:36.920 about it, that there are these, these corrupted, there's a corrupted creation that's, that's

00:30:41.740 sort of spawned on the earth and God is trying to sort of redeem humanity.

00:30:48.020 Like you said, in the beginning of the episode, we are created in the image of God and they

00:30:51.360 hate that.

00:30:52.180 I think some of these tribes that were hybrids were not, they were, they like didn't have 1.00

00:30:56.580 souls or something.

00:30:57.380 They were not part of God's plan. 1.00

00:30:58.680 They were not supposed to be here and they were, they were like parasites on the earth. 0.76

00:31:03.520 I know it sounds fantastical, but there's so much historical evidence for these things

00:31:07.920 to have been here.

00:31:08.780 And if you look back at the tribes, even some of these giant tribes, they're described,

00:31:13.140 their physical traits are even described, you know, and you have like, like the legendary

00:31:17.140 giants, like Aug who had this bed that was like 15 feet long.

00:31:20.500 What's he doing? 0.52

00:31:21.380 You know, it's like they practice occult magic and they were doing things that were so corrupt

00:31:27.480 that they had to be wiped out.

00:31:28.740 That's kind of what I, I think the old Testament is trying to tell us.

00:31:32.680 That's interesting.

00:31:33.660 I mean, go ahead, go ahead.

00:31:35.000 I would say not, not a hundred out of a hundred.

00:31:36.560 I think when you look at like the Philistines and these different places, but I think the

00:31:39.580 conquests of Joshua, where they go into the promised land and they make the spies come

00:31:42.880 back and say, there are giant people there.

00:31:45.500 There are giant, there are giants there and everything else is giant there.

00:31:49.840 That, that, that is some of what God, God is passing judgment.

00:31:53.940 I think it makes a lot more sense when you realize that these were products of, you know,

00:32:00.900 of the fall, the fallen angels, you know, creating their own progeny yet again, doing

00:32:05.660 the same, same thing, you know, after the flood.

00:32:08.800 And yeah, I think that's how we get giants.

00:32:10.760 Now we know that Goliath and his brothers were mercenaries for the Philistines.

00:32:13.720 And so, you know, it's probably not, the Philistines were probably not a giant tribe, but they employ 0.91

00:32:19.020 giants to, you know, to fight on their behalf.

00:32:22.320 We know that David battled Goliath.

00:32:24.220 And so I think there's context there.

00:32:27.400 And what we're trying to say is there's context here to understand God passing judgment.

00:32:32.580 And we know that the New Testament, that, that, that through the sacrifice of Jesus, that

00:32:38.940 God takes a different stance toward humanity.

00:32:40.540 Um, but I, I think this, the idea that Genesis six is a product of Genesis three, which is,

00:32:51.900 which is when God says that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent, basically,

00:32:56.560 basically prophesying the coming of the Messiah, which we know to be Jesus.

00:33:01.400 And what, what happens after that and plays out through the old Testament, we believe in

00:33:07.440 in, in our biblical worldview that, that the darkness is trying to prevent the Messiah coming

00:33:14.800 through a, the line of every way possible, the line of Adam.

00:33:17.920 Yeah.

00:33:18.180 And the way to prevent anything to come from the line of Adam is to muddy that with the 0.92

00:33:22.800 DNA of the, of the fallen angels.

00:33:24.980 And, and, and, and you can see this thread being pulled, right?

00:33:28.240 It's, it's Noah being saved.

00:33:29.760 He's the, he's the last righteous one, whether that be his righteous in heart.

00:33:32.500 We also, maybe, maybe that completely is righteous and pure in blood that he hasn't been corrupted

00:33:38.900 by, you know, by an outside DNA.

00:33:41.860 And we know the darkness can't create.

00:33:43.420 Here's the other thing.

00:33:43.860 Darkness cannot create anything from nothing. 0.98

00:33:46.760 Only God creates.

00:33:48.160 They can only manipulate.

00:33:49.440 And because of what we see in the old Testament, um, we talk about the physicality we just talked

00:33:54.220 about, there had to be the ability to mix of these DNAs as the Bible specifically talks

00:34:01.020 about it.

00:34:01.360 So there is some, there is definitely physicality to these, to these beings, um, you know, in

00:34:08.600 our space.

00:34:19.900 And the sons of God, I've just never, I haven't spent a whole lot of time thinking about Genesis

00:34:24.140 six and Nephilim, but you're saying the sons of God are actually fallen angels, right?

00:34:29.420 So demons, they're the ones who are creating.

00:34:32.340 So why do you think they're called sons of God?

00:34:34.660 If these are fallen angels?

00:34:36.160 Well, the sons of God is the Elohim. 0.98

00:34:39.540 It's, it's, it's the angelic race.

00:34:41.780 So some angels left their posts.

00:34:43.820 They were called the watchers and they left, you know, they were, they left their posts,

00:34:48.020 came down into our realm.

00:34:49.640 So they were just angels that interacted with women.

00:34:52.520 So they were, you know, as you can like, like, what does an angel look like?

00:34:56.680 How does, how do humans interact with angels in the Bible?

00:34:59.780 There's no difference.

00:35:00.600 Right.

00:35:00.760 But they came, they sort of left their job.

00:35:02.920 I think angel is, you know, for what we talk about on our show is that the heavenly court,

00:35:09.160 God gives everyone jobs, right?

00:35:11.280 So some angels have jobs, the seraphim, the cherubim, these people, they, these people,

00:35:16.080 I say people, I meant these angels have a specific title and it is always usually described

00:35:21.840 to what they do.

00:35:23.560 Supposedly there was 200 watchers.

00:35:26.160 They were, they were supposedly, you know, guardians of humanity, watching humanity.

00:35:30.740 They came down and they, they left their post.

00:35:34.260 They made a deal and left and they came down on, you know, a lot of the ancient traditions.

00:35:38.940 They landed on Mount Hermon and they, they were given, they, they basically traded technology

00:35:46.160 and knowledge for these women. 0.97

00:35:48.000 They lusted after women. 0.95

00:35:49.720 What do you mean traded technology?

00:35:52.500 So from the heavenly realm, um, like, you know, the occult sciences and Luke and I talk

00:35:59.920 about this, the sacred sciences, you know, like the mystery, the mystery schools, all

00:36:03.500 the, like the occult sciences that things like metallurgy and all these things, they taught

00:36:08.100 us how to go to war with each other, how to mine metals, how to, how to do all these things.

00:36:12.220 How did human, how did humans learn how to build stuff?

00:36:14.900 How do we learn how to, you know, manufacture tools and, and where do we get this knowledge

00:36:19.660 from?

00:36:20.040 Um, it was like a sacred knowledge and that's the, that's the Genesis, uh, account, right?

00:36:24.560 Like, oh, you can be like the gods.

00:36:26.580 You can have this knowledge.

00:36:27.960 So we got seduced.

00:36:29.160 You know, we were sort of created in this, this immoral state and, and, and we were in

00:36:35.100 the garden and then the serpent comes along and says, you want to be like God.

00:36:38.200 You want to know that you want to have the knowledge.

00:36:40.000 And I think that these, you know, that, uh, human beings ability to like innovate technology

00:36:46.320 is actually a part of the fall.

00:36:48.020 I think, I think, yeah, I think that, I think there are certain, not all of it.

00:36:54.980 Go ahead.

00:36:55.180 No, I would say the, I think it's the acceleration.

00:36:57.480 I think, I think what, and we've had, we've run through this.

00:37:00.060 This is a very, this is an interesting topic.

00:37:01.780 If you want to run through the genealogy, everybody wants to, doesn't want to slog through

00:37:04.600 the genealogy of the Bible.

00:37:05.760 But when you do, you can line up a lot of the, this person was the father of metallurgy.

00:37:11.080 This person was the father of animal husbandry.

00:37:13.060 This, this, this person did this and it lines up pretty well with, with what happened the

00:37:19.320 event on, you know, on the Genesis six event.

00:37:22.760 Um, so it's not that we don't have the ability to innovate.

00:37:25.500 We absolutely do.

00:37:26.160 We were creating the image of God.

00:37:27.340 We, we are, we are given, we create, and we are told to, that we had dominion over this,

00:37:33.060 over this place to take the earth and subdue. 0.99

00:37:35.440 And subdue it, to take the earth and subdue it. 0.98

00:37:37.360 Right.

00:37:37.500 We absolutely have that.

00:37:38.500 But what I think happened is that there, there had to be a transaction.

00:37:43.460 Um, and part of that was the sharing of, of knowledge to accelerate it.

00:37:48.040 And that was interesting is you can look at the historical record and there are, I think

00:37:53.080 the one that's really, really fascinating is, is the discovery of like Gobekliatepe in Turkey.

00:37:58.420 If you're not familiar with this discovery, it is, um, one of the oldest, if not the oldest

00:38:03.120 civilizations or civilization city that's been discovered and it's super complex.

00:38:09.400 And it, and it comes at a time that the historical record would say that we were hunter gatherers

00:38:15.340 and we weren't, we weren't agrarian and out of nowhere, massively complex temple complexes

00:38:21.400 and religious circles and a huge stone city is discovered.

00:38:25.960 And it doesn't really make sense.

00:38:27.600 Like how did these people who are just doing, you know, who are, who are following, you know,

00:38:32.580 herds of animals and, and not, not agrarian, not farming, all of a sudden create all of

00:38:37.820 this, um, civil, civilized creation technology.

00:38:43.600 So we, we, we, we surmise and it's our opinion.

00:38:48.380 Um, but there, I think you can find it in the biblical text that there was at least at

00:38:52.060 the very least a transaction of ideas that, that these fallen angels that came from.

00:38:58.500 Aliens and UFOs, the Loch Ness monster, Bigfoot giants, are any of these blurry creatures real?

00:39:07.060 And if there is evidence of their existence, how would this fit into a biblical worldview?

00:39:15.020 Well, the hosts of the podcast, blurry creatures are here today to help us think through a lot

00:39:22.240 of these things.

00:39:23.000 It's a really, really interesting conversation that again, I wanted to do as we are leading

00:39:28.280 up to Halloween.

00:39:30.520 Now you guys know my perspective on Halloween is not the same as how the world celebrates

00:39:35.360 Halloween.

00:39:35.780 Go back and listen to yesterday's episode or watch yesterday's episode if you haven't

00:39:40.680 already caused a little bit of controversy in the comment section of YouTube, as there

00:39:46.020 was a lot of spirited disagreement with what my guest yesterday argued about Halloween.

00:39:52.200 But you should also go back and listen to an episode that I did with my mom a couple years

00:39:56.180 ago about how she uses Halloween to celebrate the gospel and to share the gospel with her neighbors

00:40:03.280 to truly be light in the darkness.

00:40:05.280 My perspective is that that is possible.

00:40:09.180 As Christians, I do think this is an issue around which we have a lot of Christian liberty

00:40:13.840 and that you must apply the word of God with wisdom and with conviction of the Holy Spirit to lead

00:40:21.000 your family and yourself in a way that aligns with beauty and truth.

00:40:27.600 I do, though, think it's possible to bring redemption, to bring light, to bring the gospel to Halloween

00:40:34.280 and certain Halloween traditions without celebrating gore.

00:40:38.400 So part of that, part of kind of looking at the mysterious, looking into the realm of the paranormal is how I am kind of leading up to Halloween on this show.

00:40:53.540 So yesterday we talked about the origin of Halloween, the real history of Halloween.

00:40:57.940 And today we are looking in this kind of in-between world.

00:41:02.280 Now, you will hear in my conversation with these two hosts, who are awesome, by the way, that I've got some questions, okay?

00:41:10.100 Like, I've got some serious skepticism about what they're talking about.

00:41:14.300 I've got some disagreement.

00:41:15.360 And I'm going to go to the Bible and ask them some questions about how the possible existence of some of these things that are typically referred to as myths would fit into God's word.

00:41:30.520 So really, really interesting conversation that I know that you all are going to love.

00:41:36.040 Now, before we get into it, I've got a few things to say.

00:41:38.500 Number one, tonight, Wednesday, October 26th, we are putting out a parody, a parody that you have seen a couple times before.

00:41:50.420 I did the first parody like this in 2018, the second in 2020, and now the third, just in time for the midterms.

00:41:58.280 And that is my Democrat DNC ad parody, where I act like I am the spokesperson for the Democrat Party.

00:42:05.520 And I tell you why you need to vote blue this November.

00:42:08.940 And this one, in my opinion, it's the best that we've done.

00:42:12.240 I loved the first two.

00:42:13.600 Really fun.

00:42:14.520 Got a really great reaction from you guys.

00:42:17.180 But this one is the best.

00:42:18.480 We went even farther than we typically do creatively.

00:42:22.060 You guys are going to love it.

00:42:23.280 So if you're listening to this on the 26th, make sure you check that out.

00:42:26.340 It'll be on YouTube.

00:42:27.640 It'll be on Instagram.

00:42:28.620 It'll be on Twitter if you're listening to this.

00:42:30.680 The next day, make sure that you go check that out and share it with your friends.

00:42:35.960 Also, two stickers that we are promoting right now that our awesome design team just created.

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00:44:03.240 Nate, Luke, thank you so much for joining us.

00:44:06.500 Whoever wants to answer this first question, go for it.

00:44:08.940 Tell us what Blurry Creatures is and why you guys started that podcast.

00:44:16.160 Blurry Creatures is a podcast.

00:44:18.140 We talk about all kinds of fringe creatures, everything from Bigfoot to, you know, werewolf

00:44:23.340 creatures to historical creatures, ancient giants.

00:44:27.720 I had the idea in 2019 to do a podcast about this because I was remodeling houses and I was

00:44:32.480 listening to, I didn't want to listen to anything, you know, political or sports.

00:44:36.260 So I started listening to podcasts about Bigfoot and stuff and eventually I just got, I got

00:44:43.180 sucked into it.

00:44:44.200 So around 2019, designed a logo, got the website and everything.

00:44:48.660 And then Luke and I were friends via some other friends and he was tweeting about Bigfoot

00:44:54.040 one day and I was like, hey, I got this idea, start a podcast.

00:44:56.920 You want to do it with me?

00:44:57.780 Because I knew Luke did a podcast with his brother and he knew how to do podcasting.

00:45:01.460 So we decided to start a Bigfoot podcast with all filtered through the biblical paradigm

00:45:07.540 and it just kind of took off and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into.

00:45:12.280 But we talk a lot about ancient history, biblical history, the Nephilim giants and Bigfoot and

00:45:18.600 all that stuff.

00:45:19.360 So it's, Blurry Creatures can be anything.

00:45:21.140 We have a, the list of creatures is getting longer by the day.

00:45:25.200 It's pretty interesting.

00:45:26.740 We thought maybe, you know, I don't know how many podcast episodes we can do about this,

00:45:29.740 but man, there's so many creatures out there that are considered blurry and blurry has kind

00:45:33.500 of become its own sort of adjective of what we talk about.

00:45:37.920 And it's funny, people are like, this is blurry and they'll send us a picture of something

00:45:41.700 that's like some sort of weird anomaly that's out there, some sort of UFO.

00:45:46.180 So we talk, yeah, we do get into aliens and UFOs and all that other stuff too, but we try

00:45:50.260 to filter it all through the biblical paradigm.

00:45:51.620 So that's kind of how it started and we had no idea what we were getting ourselves into.

00:45:56.020 Yeah.

00:45:56.340 So you mentioned that word blurry.

00:45:57.680 Luke, could you tell us like what exactly is meant by blurry creatures?

00:46:01.900 Because before I listened to the podcast, I had no, I had no idea what it was going to

00:46:07.520 be about.

00:46:08.060 All the people that recommended it to me, they did not even tell me.

00:46:11.500 They just said, you have to listen to this.

00:46:12.840 So I didn't know what to expect.

00:46:14.440 So tell us like why you picked that name, Blurry Creatures.

00:46:19.060 Yeah.

00:46:20.180 You know, it comes out of, it's tongue in cheek, right?

00:46:22.980 It's the idea that like all these pictures of, of Bigfoot end up blurry for whatever reason.

00:46:27.280 So there's a, uh, there's actually a, a joke.

00:46:30.620 I think it's Mitch Hedberg, Nate, that where he talks about the idea that the Bigfoot always

00:46:35.160 has blurry, blurry creatures.

00:46:36.240 It's meant to be kind of funny.

00:46:37.560 Um, but I think what the, the idea with, with the show itself is that people have experiences

00:46:43.940 they can't explain.

00:46:44.960 People have encounters with things they can't explain.

00:46:47.320 And if you come from a Christian perspective, there's a lot of things like, like that,

00:46:52.380 that you, a lot of people have trouble putting into their, their Christian paradigm.

00:46:56.400 And I think the church really doesn't address a lot of what the world calls paranormal and

00:47:01.740 the paranormal world out there doesn't really address any of it through the context of, of

00:47:08.700 the church or Christianity.

00:47:09.600 And so, because we're Christians, one of our, one of the things this has turned into

00:47:14.240 is, is trying to put all these things into a biblical paradigm that, that, that this stuff

00:47:19.740 does all fit, that you can explain these things through, through the understanding of the Bible

00:47:26.000 and the Old Testament and, and our faith.

00:47:29.000 And that's become kind of the common ground.

00:47:30.940 Like Nate said that we, we started out to just kind of figure out what was Bigfoot going

00:47:35.000 to be.

00:47:35.200 And it's really a journey podcast.

00:47:36.720 It's, it's, it's taken us into a lot of different places, but what I think we're really trying

00:47:41.520 to do is provide context for a lot of things that people are experiencing.

00:47:46.720 We know the government is just really, in the last year has started to publicly recognize

00:47:52.300 what they call UAPs.

00:47:53.220 Of course they changed the UFO moniker to UAP, right?

00:47:55.780 Because UFO has all of these, these stigmas attached to it, right?

00:48:01.320 Yes, exactly.

00:48:02.180 And what's UAP, unidentified, aerial phenomena, aerial, oh, okay.

00:48:08.100 Got it.

00:48:09.080 So there, these things are happening and I don't think the church has done a great job

00:48:14.100 of, of addressing any of this, right?

00:48:15.980 Maybe there aren't great answers.

00:48:17.160 And that's really what Nate and I are trying to do is to try to find better answers.

00:48:20.220 Yeah.

00:48:22.420 You know, through, with, with our foundation as, with our foundation as our faith.

00:48:26.920 And so for whatever reason, it's resonated with a lot of people.

00:48:30.780 I think that, that our, that our faith and the Christianity is big enough to encompass

00:48:36.140 all of these things.

00:48:37.780 And there are explanations for all of this in the biblical texts and in, in, in the biblical

00:48:42.520 narrative.

00:48:43.080 And that's, that's what getting blurry is all about, right?

00:48:48.020 Well, I'm curious to hear more specifically about the alien UFO issue, because I have been

00:48:56.880 asked that, as you said, there has been more coverage on this over the past couple of years.

00:49:02.220 There have been some people in the media and the news, mostly conservative, which is kind

00:49:06.060 of interesting.

00:49:06.640 Um, just saying, okay, do we have any priority to try to identify what these UFOs are?

00:49:14.500 There have been sightings.

00:49:15.820 And so people have asked me, could it be possible theologically for there to be life on other

00:49:22.700 planets?

00:49:23.160 Like what could these UFOs be if it's not some kind of spying device from say China?

00:49:28.780 And so how have you guys worked that out biblically?

00:49:31.540 Like, is it possible biblically with what we know about the universe and who God made

00:49:36.260 for there to be a different life form on another planet?

00:49:40.520 Yeah.

00:49:41.160 I mean, we, I mean, the Bible talks about this specifically, like we talk about a lot about

00:49:45.320 Genesis six event.

00:49:46.920 If you read Genesis six through, through the sort of the, what the ancients read it as

00:49:50.840 is that you had angels coming into our realm and, and messing with human beings and they

00:49:57.000 traded women for technology. 1.00

00:49:58.540 And so we talk about the Genesis six event in sort of the biblical paradigm that most

00:50:05.080 seminaries kind of interpreted as something completely different.

00:50:08.560 So what we try to do is say, Hey, this isn't a new thing.

00:50:12.060 Um, anything extraterrestrial is just an off earth entity, right?

00:50:16.020 Human beings have been given dominion, dominion here on earth by God, but anything else, angels, 0.93

00:50:21.160 other entities that are in sort of the, the heavenly court is what we talk about because the Bible

00:50:26.580 talks about all kinds of strange things, right?

00:50:28.900 And anything that's not, that wasn't given dominion here on earth would technically be

00:50:33.740 an ET.

00:50:35.180 So it's not a new thing.

00:50:37.540 It's been happening.

00:50:38.180 And to talk about it in Genesis, it's just sort of the government has reframed this and

00:50:42.240 Hollywood has reframed this as alien, but anything not human is technically alien.

00:50:46.800 Does that make sense?

00:50:47.300 So the Bible has a lot of these encounters, you know, all, all throughout the Bible, these

00:50:53.820 angels that are not from here are interacting with human beings.

00:50:57.140 And I think, so you're saying aliens are aliens, how we see them like ET type thing.

00:51:05.420 Like is you're saying that they're actually encounters with angels?

00:51:09.560 Like angels are these, are what people are referring to as aliens?

00:51:14.800 I think sometimes, I don't think always.

00:51:17.420 I think sometimes encounters with non-human entities technically are, if you, if you take

00:51:25.000 the word ET, it's extraterrestrial, right?

00:51:27.540 So non-earth entity would, angels would fall into that category.

00:51:32.000 But in terms of like the Hollywoodized version of an alien, you know, we'd have to get down

00:51:37.820 the specifics, are we talking about the gray aliens?

00:51:39.740 Are we talking about, you know, who's flying the UFOs?

00:51:43.340 Sometimes it's all the above, you know, it's like, who is crafting, who is flying these craft?

00:51:48.640 It's, it's complicated.

00:51:49.900 I think you have to sort of get Christians to understand that like, you know, non-earth 1.00

00:51:54.340 entities have been coming here and interacting with human beings and it's in the Bible and

00:51:59.120 you can, it's, you can support it through scripture and make it, and you have to start there and

00:52:03.120 then kind of work your way up to modern day encounters.

00:52:05.840 Does that make sense?

00:52:06.400 It's, it's hard to convince somebody from the beginning of just saying, oh, aliens are

00:52:10.420 here, but, and then they're like, wait, I've never heard of anything like this.

00:52:13.520 We're like, we have to go back to Genesis and, and read some of these more obscure accounts

00:52:16.680 and actually understand that this isn't anything new, technically speaking.

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00:53:57.780 I guess my question would be like where that fits into the creation accounts because these

00:54:04.440 are not animals and they're not, they wouldn't be human beings made in the image of God.

00:54:10.860 So like, what are they?

00:54:12.440 Where do they fall in the creation categories?

00:54:16.760 They're not included, I would guess, in God's plan of redemption through Christ since they're

00:54:21.320 not image bearers.

00:54:22.980 And so, or, but if they're not angels, because you said only sometimes you think these interactions

00:54:27.760 are with angels and sometimes they're not.

00:54:30.660 I have a hard time fitting that into my understanding of creation and God's eternal plan of redemption

00:54:37.140 for human beings.

00:54:38.400 What are these like other humans, subhuman things? 0.99

00:54:44.380 You know, I just don't have like a theological category in my mind to put them in.

00:54:48.880 Luke, what do you think?

00:54:50.840 No, I think that's a great, that's a great question.

00:54:52.540 I think that the Bible in and of itself is the story of, of God redeeming humanity unto

00:55:00.860 himself and, and, and redeeming humanity back into the family of God.

00:55:05.120 But, um, but we know that we know from the Bible that there are angels, there are hosts

00:55:10.600 of heaven.

00:55:11.220 There is, there are fallen angels.

00:55:13.880 There are, there's a diversity of creation as you would imagine that it isn't on earth.

00:55:20.220 That's that is in the, in the spiritual realm.

00:55:22.700 If you want to use that term, the spiritual realm or in the heavenlies.

00:55:25.400 And we know that there was a rebellion in heaven.

00:55:27.300 We know that from Job, that when the earth was created, that the, the angels, the angels

00:55:34.140 cheered, the angels stood and watched.

00:55:36.220 So there is a, a kingdom of heaven that, that I think we can understand in the same way that

00:55:43.120 we have the diversity of creation on earth.

00:55:44.800 There's a diversity of creation in heaven.

00:55:47.040 And these are, you know, angels is a medieval term, right?

00:55:51.640 It's the idea of angelos is, is, is a messenger.

00:55:55.020 And I think in some ways we've simplified a very diverse spiritual realm.

00:56:01.460 Like we, we know from, I think the darkness is the easiest way to kind of understand that

00:56:05.880 there's a lot of weird things that are, are bad in the spiritual realm.

00:56:09.400 And I think, you know, from people's experiences with the demonic and, and even some of these,

00:56:16.500 these creatures we know are bad and nefarious sort of evil things that you can have quite

00:56:20.780 a diversity of, you know, of creation in, in the spiritual realm.

00:56:27.540 Yeah.

00:56:27.780 So I think that the idea that we limit, um, and the Bible doesn't talk, here's the other 0.78

00:56:33.460 thing, Ali, the Bible doesn't talk a lot about that.

00:56:35.820 The Bible is specifically about our story, right?

00:56:38.140 There are breadcrumbs.

00:56:39.740 Nate talked about Genesis six and the idea that there was the, these, the sons of God.

00:56:45.460 You go back to the Hebrew, right? 1.00

00:56:46.700 Hebrew and it's Elohim. 0.85

00:56:48.080 And you can find this same word, um, in Psalm 82 and you can find it in, in Deuteronomy 32.

00:56:54.860 The, the, there are specific terminology for spiritual beings, these, what we call the angels,

00:57:02.380 the sons of God, but it's very broad brush.

00:57:04.460 And I think we've just, we've sort of decided because of, uh, medieval art, because of the

00:57:09.320 Renaissance art that, that these things have wings, they look like this, and this is the

00:57:13.140 only way they look like, and we've really just, just created two things.

00:57:16.360 It's like demons are really gnarly looking and, and nasty and they do this and angels

00:57:20.980 have wings and they're, and they're white.

00:57:23.320 But then you read revelation and John describing what he's seeing.

00:57:27.200 And it's like, there's some crazy stuff out there.

00:57:29.060 There's four heads and there's, there's flaming, there's flaming beings that, you know, that

00:57:35.100 even that God placed at the gate of Eden when we were, when we were booted out.

00:57:38.380 Um, so I, I think we need to open our mind in some ways to, to, if there's diversity of

00:57:45.140 creation here on earth, we can look around, I can look at my window and see trees and deer

00:57:48.640 and cows and horses and, and creation is, is immensely diverse.

00:57:54.860 I think oftentimes we, you know, as earth and as on earth that is, is in heaven, this idea

00:58:01.400 that, that I think we really limit, we're putting a limit on God to think that there's just

00:58:05.940 like one set of this and one set of that when it comes to the heavenly realm.

00:58:10.160 Um, so I think they can, they're just the, your answer to my question of like where it

00:58:17.100 falls in line with the creation categories is that in, in y'all's mind, these are spiritual

00:58:23.460 beings.

00:58:23.920 These aren't like a subcategory of humans or animals that these are somewhere in the spiritual

00:58:30.200 realm.

00:58:30.740 Right.

00:58:31.040 And we don't know exactly where, and we don't know exactly what they're doing, but

00:58:35.560 it is possible that these are spiritual beings that at some points have interacted in our

00:58:41.020 physical realm.

00:58:42.660 Yeah.

00:58:43.280 Yeah.

00:58:43.520 And we, we talk a lot about that on the show about how originally that's where the giants

00:58:47.800 came from.

00:58:49.280 So if you look back in the, in the, you know, the old Testament, you have Dave, David and

00:58:53.300 Goliath is the most popular story of humans interact, you know, David and this giant.

00:58:57.840 Well, that's just one tribe and there's, there's literally dozens of tribes in the old Testament

00:59:02.700 of these, these giants.

00:59:04.760 And if you look back, historically speaking, these angels bred with humans.

00:59:09.520 And that's the, that's how the Hebrews viewed that giants got here. 0.70

00:59:13.160 They were hybrids.

00:59:14.240 They were, they were, they were not supposed to be here, but they were part human, part

00:59:19.120 angel.

00:59:19.500 And that's the men of renown.

00:59:21.280 And a lot of people say, that's what the Greeks were writing about.

00:59:23.540 The Greek gods, these, these half man, half, half angel demigods.

00:59:28.760 And so that was their way of recording the history.

00:59:31.480 But the Bible talks about it too, calls them the men of renown in Genesis.

00:59:34.620 And, and that's why the flood came.

00:59:37.280 The flood, the flood was a part of resetting humanity, give humanity back the dominion here 0.87

00:59:41.480 on earth because he had corrupted creation.

00:59:44.280 And so we talk about how plants, animals, humans, everything was corrupted.

00:59:48.600 That's why God floods the world.

00:59:49.700 It isn't because humans are just particularly sinful at this gen, this generation.

00:59:54.760 It's like the whole world was genetically corrupted and it sounds fantastic before. 0.99

01:00:00.360 It sounds crazy, but it's, it's, it's very much how the ancients have viewed the world.

01:00:05.560 And it's the biblical story.

01:00:07.380 And what we do is we say, Hey, people are still seeing these creatures today.

01:00:11.140 People are still seeing weird things.

01:00:12.700 People are having sleep paralysis episodes where things are coming into their room and they're

01:00:16.040 swearing to us and that this isn't a physical entity coming and interacting with me.

01:00:20.740 What is it?

01:00:21.820 People see Bigfoot out in the woods.

01:00:23.840 People see werewolf creatures.

01:00:25.580 People see all kinds of stuff.

01:00:26.960 People see these UFOs flying around.

01:00:29.140 How do you explain this to the biblical paradigm?

01:00:31.080 Well, I think we've just sort of lost the magic and the whimsy of this whole story, right?

01:00:36.860 Like God created human beings, put them on this earth, but we're not the center of the story.

01:00:42.180 You know, we, there's so much else going on around us.

01:00:44.600 And there's this war that we were sort of born into between, you know, heaven and hell.

01:00:48.620 And we're kind of in the middle of it.

01:00:50.460 And sometimes we see sort of the, the effects of this war, if that makes sense.

01:00:54.640 Like we're, you know, we don't know always what's going on, but God has sort of protected

01:00:58.600 us behind the veil to see in all these things.

01:01:01.260 But there are some Christians out there who swear they can see behind the veil and they

01:01:04.860 can sort of see these, these, um, different creatures and different entities that, that God

01:01:11.080 has, has that sort of interacting around us.

01:01:13.980 And it's, it's pretty amazing how many people have a story of something paranormal or weird.

01:01:18.040 So like Luke said in the beginning, like what we do is there's a lot of church and theological

01:01:23.240 podcasts that are afraid to get paranormal.

01:01:24.920 And there's a lot of paranormal podcasts that are afraid to get theological.

01:01:27.820 And what we do is kind of put those things together and say, look, the Bible is strange.

01:01:32.080 It's got a lot of weird stuff in it and that's okay.

01:01:33.920 And the, and, and the weirder is in our mind is the more important.

01:01:38.500 If it's weird, it's important.

01:01:40.020 There's something there.

01:01:40.920 And I, and I love that about scripture is it doesn't, it's not PC.

01:01:44.980 It doesn't tiptoe around anything.

01:01:46.860 It, it allows you to be an adult and says, here's a weird thing.

01:01:49.780 Deal with it.

01:01:51.020 Yeah.

01:01:51.200 And I think the church a lot of times just tiptoes around those things that we can't

01:01:54.340 talk about that.

01:01:55.160 It's too strange, but I don't think ancient people were afraid of complicated ideas and

01:02:00.360 thoughts.

01:02:00.780 I mean, and we talk a lot about, you know, the ancient world, where were they building pyramids

01:02:06.160 and all these structures and how do they do that?

01:02:08.340 And, and we filtered all through the biblical paradigm and give a lot of people answers

01:02:11.540 because they're going to, a lot of people are seeing.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 26, 2022

Ep 698 ｜ Aliens, Nephilim, Bigfoot & the Bible ｜ Guest： Nate Henry & Luke Rodgers (Blurry Creatures)

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