Ep 702 ｜ The Pedophilic Underbelly of Transgender Activism ｜ Guest： Genevieve Gluck (Part 1)
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Genevieve Gluck is a feminist and journalist who spends her days deeply researching the dangerous ideology of gender identity and pornography. She is also the co-founder of Redux, a pro-woman, pro-child safeguarding publication.
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Opposition to gender ideology is winning, but if we want to continue to successfully push back
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against the insanity of this ideology, we have to understand it. That means we have to know
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from where it comes, the ideas and motivations that serve as its foundation, how we got here,
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and the people in power pushing it. This movement is darker, more perverse, and more dangerous than
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you and I could possibly imagine. The truth is this. There is no way to separate it from pedophilia,
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from pornography, or from violence against women. And today, my guest, a feminist and journalist who
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spends her days deeply researching this, breaks all of this down for us. And we've spoken to her
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before. Her name is Genevieve Gluck. It's one of our most popular episodes ever. We'll link it in
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the description here. This conversation that we had today was so much that we had to split it into
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two parts. I could have talked to her for five more hours. I mean, she really does know so much about
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what is behind all of this. So we had to split it up. I didn't want to, but we just had to for your
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sake to be able to take each part in for what it is. So you don't want to miss tomorrow's either. Make
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sure that you tune in for it. And also, Christian, as you listen to or watch this, keep in mind,
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Psalm 37, go read it, that one day God will defeat wickedness and darkness forever, and that we are
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until then to be ambassadors of his goodness, of his light, of his justice. Evil will not win. Evil will
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not win ultimately. And that is what keeps us hopeful and joyful and sane. But unfortunately,
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sometimes we have to stare into the darkness to successfully push back against it. This episode,
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Now is our conversation with Genevieve Gluck. Genevieve, thanks so much for joining us again.
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And before we get into our conversation, I just want to encourage everyone, again, go listen to
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our last conversation that's going to help kind of lay a foundation for what we're talking about today.
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But just as kind of a brief recap, can you tell us who you are and what you do, why you talk about
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these transgender issues? So I'm a feminist. I have been for many years now, maybe about 10 years ago
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when I started to get interested in this issue. And because of that, I was concerned about the erosion
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of the rights of the rights of women and the rights of children as a result of gender identity
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ideology. I work with Redux, which is a pro-woman, pro-child safeguarding publication, which I founded
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with Anna Slatz at the beginning of this year. Since that time, we've published, I believe, over 400
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news-related articles since the end of January, focusing on this topic. And I'm mainly concerned about
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the denial of reality, but also how dangerous this is for women and for children, how it puts
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And what we talked about last time was something that a lot of people either don't know or they
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don't want to admit. And that is the connection between gender ideology and the boom of gender
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ideology, especially among men and pedophilia, specifically pornography that depicts pedophilic
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type tropes and how this has actually seeped into or has maybe always been a part of some of the
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biggest transgender advocacy organizations in the world, like WPATH. So I know that it's a lot to kind
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of summarize, but could you talk just a little bit about how you kind of made that connection?
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You're right. It is a lot. It's a lot to summarize. And I think one place to start is by looking at
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sexology. Actually, I know that a lot of people tend to focus on queer theory and academia, which is
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true, but sexology predates that. And we can look at the work of a sexologist named John Money,
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for example, who is credited with coining the term gender identity and his awful experiments on
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children. In particular, he experimented on some two twin boys, the Reimer twins, and tried to convince
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one of the boys that he was actually a girl, but also made pornography involving these children as well
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and had written for a pro pedophile academic journal at the time. So this would have been
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during the 60s and 70s and 80s when he was most active. But not just him, there's a really strong
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overlap that tends with the pornography as well. I've talked about something called sissy porn. Now,
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this is a little disturbing. But you know, it tends to revolve around the idea of turning a man into a
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woman through erotic symbolism, usually makeup, lingerie dresses and humiliation. But even within
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that, the sexualization of humiliation is the concept of being turned into a child. These are
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called age regression fantasies. And they can be found amongst transgender erotica, you can easily do
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an Amazon search for this and self published books will come up. But also images that feature children
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with sexual writing and stories on them that can be found online as well that are associated with
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this whole gender swapping, body swapping and age regression, all as forms of erotic play that they
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call it. So the overlap can clearly be seen within sexology, as well as within the user generated
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pornography and erotica related to having a quote, unquote, gender identity.
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And this isn't really new, as we talked about briefly last time. And I know that this is kind of
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a dense part of this conversation. But just so kind of people know the roots of this stuff,
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we can look at the sexology from the 60s and 70s, we can look at Gail Rubin and John Money,
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the queer theorists and the sexologists of the time, who not only advocated for this novel idea
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that gender and sex are independent from each other and are just kind of gender is just a
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product of feelings or of nurture, as you mentioned, the Reimer twins. But also, I mean,
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there was especially in Gail Rubin's writing and among, you know, John Money's studies,
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there was this advocacy of pedophilia, as you said, how did that become then mainstream and then
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manifest itself into this boom of men saying that they are women? And yes, women saying that they
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are men, but I think that I think that that's almost a whole different thing. And that there's
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like a whole different reason for that. So like, tell me how these strange academic ideas started
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by characterizing pornography, and then became part of such mainstream public dialogue?
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Well, I mean, that is a really big question, you know, how did it go from academia into the
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mainstream? Of course, there's, you know, textbooks, there's people you can cite like Judith Butler,
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who was immensely popular in academia, beginning from the 90s. But I really think that people don't
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talk enough about how pornography is mainstreaming these concepts, particularly the concept that
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a woman could have a penis, which is such an absurd concept on its face. But when you actually look at
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some of the surgeries and themes within pornography, it's not that, well, you can see where it's coming
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from is what I mean, because transgender pornography has just skyrocketed in terms of popularity.
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Particularly, there's a huge demand for men who have feminized themselves in some capacity, whether
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that's plastic surgery, hormones, both, the more he might resemble a woman, then the more he might be
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paid. Often, these men could be paid double what a woman is paid in pornography, because the demand is so
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high. And then it normalizes this concept of unnatural bodies, bodies that you wouldn't find in
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nature, having them to be sexually thrilling, it's creating, I believe it's creating a form of fetishism,
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which had never previously existed to this extent. And so when we talk about academia, we have to
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understand as well that pornography is influencing people in ways that we don't see as well, we can
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clearly look at academia, we can look at published works. We don't often see what's happening when
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people are consuming pornography and how that shapes their perception of the world.
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I think people, I mean, most people just don't have exposure to that. And they're not considering
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those things. The only thing that we are seeing is what's presented to us in the public, which are,
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look, these are marginalized people who are misunderstood, who are so mentally tortured
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because they were born in the wrong body. And all they need is our tolerance and love and acceptance.
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Most people don't kind of see the dark underbelly of this. I follow an account called Males of Reddit,
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which I'm sure that you follow too. Most people don't. But you see the thoughts and the processes
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of these men trying to identify as women. And there are some common themes in there that are really
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disturbing. But one theme that I see over and over again is autogynephilia, that these men are really
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turned on by the idea of being a woman, of having female body parts, of being referred to as she,
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wearing a skirt. And they kind of dismiss the diagnosis of autogynephilia. They say,
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oh, no, it's just because I'm so happy finally being myself has nothing to do with any kind of sexual
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perversion. So I'm wondering if we should be asking ourselves, really, what is causing the boom of
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autogynephilia even more than we're asking what's causing the boom of transgenderism? I think it's
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being mislabeled. In most cases, when it comes to men, I don't think it's really gender identity
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confusion or gender dysphoria among these men. I think that they're porn sick, and they've developed
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autogynephilia as a result of that in a lot of cases. Yeah, absolutely. I think you're spot on.
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I hesitate to use the term autogynephilia myself, because I feel it's a bit misleading, because
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in my opinion, they're not turned on by being women. They're turned on by being objectified,
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which I think is different. But certainly, that's the case where it's sexualizing, objectifying oneself,
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which for these men is a fun game, because it's not something that they have to do or deal with
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in the real world. It's just something that they can do for their own thrills. And that's why it's
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hugely insulting to women, actually, because they're getting a thrill out of some facets of
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women's reality that are quite oppressive and quite mean and degrading. Concepts involving masochism,
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humiliation. The thrill here is the humiliation as well that's involved with having one's status reduced
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to that of a woman, which is why it escalates further and further, like I mentioned, with
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continued humiliation of being turned into a child, for example, that we also see. So I don't
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feel that it's quite so clear cut with autogynephilia. I feel it's this range of fetishization of erotic
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symbols. And I do think that it could be a social contagion spread through pornography, actually.
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Yeah, yeah. And I guess if you don't, if that is affirmed, if it's affirmed as an identity,
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especially an oppressed identity that gets certain privileges, then it, I mean, why not take on your
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sexual perversion as who you are? Like, why not allow it to become your personal and political
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identity? Why does biology matter more than those feelings if you are getting kind of a status of
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some kind of heightened status, I guess, of fame or acceptance or pity? I think a lot of people are
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seeking that victim status, I guess. And so the more we approve of and accept and even celebrate
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this, of course, there's more people that are going to take on their perversion as their identity.
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Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Dylan Mulvaney just went to the White House, didn't he? And now he's got
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something like a million dollars worth of sponsorship deals out of this. And for what? For
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insulting women on a public scale. I mean, the content, for those who don't know that this
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TikToker Dylan Mulvaney produces, is shockingly insulting. Most people, when they first see it,
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they think it's a joke, because he refers to having a Barbie pouch. He refers to women's
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genitalia in that way. And, and he acts in the most stereotypical, insulting manner of being afraid
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Calling himself a bimbo. He said, day one, I think he said, oh, day one of being a girl,
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I have already cried for no reason, sent an email, sent a scathing email that I didn't,
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or wrote a scathing email that I didn't actually send. Basically, he thinks being a woman is being
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a floocy. But it's worse than that, because he doesn't call himself a woman. I mean, he's probably
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in his 30s. I don't know. He has a five o'clock shadow. He calls himself a girl, though. I mean,
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he says he justifies it by saying, well, I never had a girl upbringing. And so I want to know what
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that's like, what do you think is behind a 30 year old man calling himself a girl and wearing
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It's the humiliation, again, obviously, he's eroticizing, being reduced, having his status
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reduced in this way. And the girl thing isn't new, either, that there are hashtags. I mean,
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on Twitter, there's the hashtag girls like us, I think is one of them for the trans. But also that
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term girl, when most people think of that term, well, I shouldn't say most people, that term is
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associated with pornography and with the sex industry, actually. So if you say girls, within
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the sex industry, that that's how they're referred to, they're not referred to as women. So it also
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carries that meaning behind it as well. But also, in the 70s, starting around 1969 to through the 80s
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and 90s, there were these publications that were being printed across the US, and I think in New
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Zealand as well, of crossdresser organizations, so transvestic fetishists, and they would refer to
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themselves as girls. Also, they would pretend play as though they were sororities, they would give
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themselves sorority names and call themselves girls. And in some cases, write poems about being turned
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into girls. So yes, it is very creepy. In Dylan's case, I wonder if it's just because the term girl,
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it has become so sexualized. Now, I don't know if he actually has any context of those other
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historical aspects. But yeah, it is it is about being less being made lower.
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So why? Why do you think though? I mean, he's got millions and millions of followers on TikTok.
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He's got lots of followers on Instagram, as you said, he's making maybe a million dollars a year
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on these endorsements. And so incredibly mainstream. And I mean, I watch him, obviously, I see
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a lot of disturbing things. But, you know, he's an actor, he was a Broadway actor. And so I understand
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why the character that he is playing is funny or entertaining to people. So it's not really hard
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for me to see why he has gained, I guess, some kind of audience. But why do you think there are
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tens of millions of people who follow this person and think, yeah, that's great. There's nothing
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weird about a 30 year old guy calling himself a girl. I mean, I think this is something that we
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should applaud. I mean, how do we get there so incredibly quickly? Even just five years ago,
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Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that everyone who follows him is actually agreeing with him,
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though. There's, there are people who do follow him just because it's so shocking and as well. So
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but the support he has received from the White House is really telling because
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I'm actually kind of speechless when I think about it, because it the message that it sends to girls,
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especially to younger girls, who are just sort of coming into themselves trying to build their own
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sense of identity, are then being told that this is what they should be or who they should be. So
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actually, the harm is being done to younger girls and confusing them about what it means to be a woman
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Yep. And also, I mean, young boys, any kind of, any kind of person in those formative years who are just
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trying to figure out what it means to be a woman or what it means to be a man or what it means to be a
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human being. Obviously, this throws them into a place of confusion. And when they see it applauded, like you
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said, and when they see it accepted, I mean, you get invited to the White House. If you do something like
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that, that's incredible. Something in his recent videos, he said when he went to the White House, that
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he was wearing the trans flag colors, which is baby pink and baby blue. And this is something that
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just hits me randomly. And I think we talked about it some last time, is how strange it is just to
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begin with, that the trans flag is baby colors. And when you look at the person who I think identifies
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himself as Monica Helms, who came up with the flag, I mean, he has in his past, in his past writings,
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this glorification, romanticization of pedophilia, of marrying a little girl, of age regression tropes.
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So basically, this kind of erotic literature about being a young girl, being with a young girl,
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he's the person that created the transgender flag that now is being worn to the White House.
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Yeah. And when you look into his history, it started with drag, actually, for him. So you can, again,
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see that kind of spectrum of crossing over. People like to think that there are these very clear,
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linear categories, you know, that drag is different from trans, that there are all these different
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groups, but really, they're kind of a progressive scale. They're related to each other very much in terms
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of reducing women to a performance. But Monica Helms was involved in the drag community in San Francisco
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in the 70s. And then he moved on to going to attend orgies, sex clubs, and he started to identify as a
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lesbian woman. And then he designed the trans flag in 1991. And somehow it's caught on. But basically,
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the stories that you mentioned, he has this book of science fiction stories, called Tales from a Two
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Gender Mind, where he writes what's basically forced feminization erotica. It's a lightened version,
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where it's not quite as sexual. So to the casual viewer, it might seem a bit odd, but nothing more
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than that, except for this one story that I've mentioned before, where he marries a young girl,
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basically a Girl Scout that comes to his door and tells him that she never ages and that it's her
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destiny to marry him. And then they get married, and then they have a daughter who also doesn't age.
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He has another story that he wrote involving body swapping, where he's swapping bodies with
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lesbian women, and then his age regresses as well. And that one interestingly ends up with a strange
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threat to his ex-wife, because he named one of the characters after her. So there is this sort of
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tinge of maliciousness involved in some of the things that he's written.
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Yeah. And you know, that's another theme that I often see in these people using like the males of
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Reddit subreddit to talk to each other. Or I mean, sorry, it's not called that. That's the Twitter
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account. The subreddit is called like male to female, transgender, whatever. And that's another
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theme that I see is envy towards women, what they would call cisgender women, which is another like
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nonsensical term that was created by sexologists and perverts. But like, and fantasies of violence
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towards them, and really hating them, of course, trying to inflict violence on people that they
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consider TERFs, trans-exclusionary, radical, feminists. And so there's also, like you said,
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that malice there, that hatred, that threat of violence. I mean, which you could say is very
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typically, and in the most toxic sense, masculine. So like, what is that about? If they want to be
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women, why do some of these men fantasize about violence towards women?
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Well, they don't really actually want to be women, I think. They want to be objectified. They want to
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be sexualized. They're very angry that they, as they see it, women can be sexualized, or even have as
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many partners as they like, because they imagine that women would just do what they did if they
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were in their situation. They imagine that if they had a woman's body, they would do all of these
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sexual things. So yeah, the envy that's there is so malicious, I think, because it is so sexually
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motivated. It's motivated by a sense of entitlement to women's bodies, to women, to womanhood itself,
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and to be denied that because, you know, you can't fight reality. It's just reality that they will not
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ever be women. And to have something like that denied when you feel so entitled must be incredibly
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frustrating. It's almost a bit like the narcissistic rage that one might feel at having
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their constructed identity denied. So yeah, women who have been in relationships with men who then
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started to declare a transgender status have talked about this. There's an account called
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Trans Widows Voices that highlights some of these stories of women who escape these incredibly abusive
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relationships where they're having to perform for them sexually, things that they want to do,
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and the psychological abuse that they inflict on these women who then go on to be ashamed by society
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for for leaving these men. Yeah, it's, it's really terrible.
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I think that there is, and I'm sure you would agree, a distinction between those who really,
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truly have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, which is a real diagnosis, but it's a very, very,
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very, very, very small portion of the population who from an extremely young age have had insistent,
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persistent, consistent, just almost unbearable discomfort with their body that comes both male
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and female. It doesn't seem to me like someone who has that genuine diagnosis would be flaunting
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their masculinity, would be trying to enter the spaces of women, would be trying to impose upon
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women's rights and privacy because that discomfort, I would think, would kind of make them do the
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opposite. They would be embarrassed by this conflict. That, to me, these people who are so flagrant in
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their, you know, in their really hatred of women and desire to objectify women, they don't have
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symptoms of the dysphoria that we thought was underlying all transgenderism.
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Right. I'm going to say something that might be a little controversial.
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This whole conversation is controversial to a lot of people, so it's fine.
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I have my doubts about gender dysphoria as a term. I have no doubts that body dysmorphic
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disorders exist. I'm not contesting that. I am questioning the use of this term and how helpful
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it is because we know that body dysmorphic disorders overwhelmingly impact girls and young
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women. We've always known that. Something like 90% of anorexia diagnoses have been in girls and young
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women. Okay. And so the reason I'm saying that gender dysphoria is something I'm not quite sure
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about using as a term is in the first place, one, we wouldn't have gender dysphoria if everyone
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was free to live as they liked. If we didn't impose these, you know, really strict gender
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stereotypes onto people, then in theory, we wouldn't have gender dysphoria. But the other reason is
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that, as you briefly mentioned before, the motivations I feel are quite different between
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an adult man and a teenage girl in terms of the whole, you know, wanting to transition or wanting
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medical interventions. I believe overwhelmingly that men are driven by sexual motivations,
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whereas women and girls are not. They're driven by a desire to escape objectification, I would say.
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So I actually feel that the term gender dysphoria is a bit of a cooptation of women's body dysmorphic
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feelings. I feel that it's almost like a forced teaming that we're now including women and girls who
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who suffer with body image issues. We're now forcing them in with this group of men who have
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some extremely disturbing fantasies about what it means to be a woman or girl.
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So I've talked to both male and female detransitioners, and I agree with you that it does seem like
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overwhelmingly for women, it's because they were objectified, they were uncomfortable with their
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bodies, they were sexually abused very often. And so they thought that becoming more masculine,
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would make them less vulnerable. And then a lot of times for men, it's that sexualization kind of
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fantasy a part of it. But some of the detransitioners that I've talked to and whose stories that I've
00:28:50.520
read who are male, it really wasn't sexual for them. The common thread that I see among both men and
00:28:57.300
women who transitioned and detransitioned very often, not always, but was sexual abuse. That some adult in
00:29:04.320
their life, like I think of Walt Heyer, who transitioned as an adult to a woman, then detransitioned,
00:29:11.480
totally changed his life, became a Christian and all of that. He was sexually abused as a child by
00:29:18.000
his grandmother, who forced him to wear dresses and talk to him like he was a girl. So it did, I mean,
00:29:25.060
he's, he's a lot older, so he didn't have access to internet pornography and things like that. But from a
00:29:29.640
very young age, someone put into his mind, that kind of confusion. I also see that as a common thread,
00:29:37.280
the early sexualization and confusion of kids, even before they have access to technology or
00:29:44.220
pornography. That also seems to be what is driving some of this gender confusion in boys and girls,
00:29:54.020
but also boys. So they would say it's not because I had any sexual desire. It's because someone from
00:29:59.860
an early age sexualized me and confused me. So I just don't want to count that out that some of these
00:30:06.620
guys are also victims themselves, unfortunately. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why I think it's a huge
00:30:14.220
disservice to put all of these differing groups and experiences under the same category. It's a
00:30:20.540
disservice to those who suffer from these types of traumatic historical problems in their past.
00:30:28.740
It's a disservice to girls to be lumped in with men who have deviant desires. I mean,
00:30:36.060
we're talking about such vastly different groups. And I do think that the cohort is starting to change
00:30:42.280
among the younger men as well, like you suggested, too. I think that that's increasing. And I feel,
00:30:49.540
I feel terribly sorry, of course, but I don't think it's helpful to use the same words for such
00:30:58.320
very different things. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. Let's talk about, though, because this is like
00:31:05.480
one segment of this population that people don't want to talk about what we were just previously
00:31:10.500
talking about. The segment that is driven by porn and humiliation fantasy is age regression tropes,
00:31:19.180
sissy porn, all of that. I do want to dig into some real stories of that. You sent me an article
00:31:26.600
about Jacob Breslow. He authored a blog on minor attraction and praised a child porn creator. He is
00:31:35.560
also a trans youth charity trustee. So tell us about this person and why this matters.
00:31:43.280
So Jacob Breslow is an American academic. He was an instructor, I believe he still is an instructor
00:31:51.040
at the London School of Economics. Now, recently, he resigned from his position for a trans youth
00:31:58.840
charity called Mermaids, and he resigned over a controversy related to his lobbying, his pro-pedophilia
00:32:07.080
lobbying. Something that was brought to light was that he attended a conference in 2011 alongside members
00:32:14.580
of an organization called Before You Act, which lobbies for the destigmatization of pedophilia and
00:32:22.600
attempts to make it a sexuality. And he was there at that conference. But then it also came to light
00:32:28.620
that he had had a blog previously where he was actually posting links to child sexual abuse
00:32:34.520
materials. And he was praising this man, Carl Anderson, who created child sexual abuse materials
00:32:43.680
of young boys. So it wasn't simply just a one off of him going to this conference, he was actually
00:32:49.620
promoting these materials on his blog as well. He has suggested removing sex offender registries,
00:32:58.260
for example. He has used the term minor attracted persons. And so he had been on the Mermaids on the
00:33:10.460
board of trustees, I believe, since the end of July, or that's when their documents show him up for the
00:33:16.540
first time. So it was just sort of briefly that we know of that he was involved with Mermaids, but
00:33:22.760
obviously they didn't do the correct vetting. Or if they had, they didn't care that about his past or
00:33:28.520
his past lobbying, which is extremely concerning, because it means how many more examples of these
00:33:36.300
are there going to be we keep seeing this association between, you know, queer theory, pedophilia,
00:33:43.220
gender identity, even from its roots, like we mentioned with john money. How much more often is this going on
00:33:50.460
that we don't know about? Yeah, wow. And tell us, tell us about the before you act.
00:34:01.580
So before you act, most people think that name means think before you act. It does not. I didn't
00:34:09.140
even put that together that it was trying for that. Okay. They advocate a position that's called
00:34:17.000
virtuous pedophilia, basically. They're similar to virtuous pedophile organizations like this that
00:34:22.740
lobby for recognizing it as an identity or something innate that needs to be addressed as something
00:34:32.780
innate rather than, you know, basically a predatory sexual interest. And before you act was founded by a
00:34:40.800
convicted child sexual abuser named Michael Melsheimer, I think it said. And he actually claims to have
00:34:50.160
gotten approval from NAMBLA for his for his project. And if people don't know, that's the North American
00:34:58.780
Man Boy Love Association makes me want to throw up. And he had stated that he would be using child
00:35:06.760
protection as a guise or a cover for which to promote his views. And he specifically stated that
00:35:14.200
in screenshots that you can see in the article where he was telling people who were questioning him
00:35:20.320
that he would never use the term non offending, which means, you know, not sexually abusing children.
00:35:27.180
So anyway, before you act was set up for this reason to promote sympathy for pedophilia,
00:35:34.740
actually. And their latest tactic that I've seen is to claim that children can be pedophiles.
00:35:42.320
Because again, if we go down that road of things being innate, identity being innate,
00:35:48.160
that's the next step, you know, so it follows along the same pattern of the gender identity activism to
00:35:54.940
claim that even children can know their identity or their sexual identity at a young age. It's very,
00:36:02.300
very sinister, actually, because they're trying to get people to have sympathy for children in order
00:36:09.080
to actually then promote the sexualization of children. Wow. So this is part of Breslow's talk
00:36:17.100
that he gave at this, at this NAMBLA, or was it that at the, let's see, the presentation was given at the
00:36:27.480
before you act conference, I don't know, lecture. It was for the DSM. Okay. They were presenting to
00:36:35.740
make changes. Wow. Okay. So here's part of, gosh, this goes so deep. So here's part of what he said.
00:36:44.580
Allowing for a form of non-diagnosable minor attraction is exciting, as it potentially creates
00:36:50.140
a sexual or political identity by which activists, scholars, and clinicians can begin to better
00:36:54.700
understand minor attractive persons. Many tend to begin with a linkage of pedophilic desire to
00:36:58.480
harmful and abusive relationships and acts, and end up proliferating rather than questioning
00:37:02.460
normative, gendered, and sexual intelligibility. And then he has also said things, I am constantly
00:37:11.740
struggling, not because of my homosexuality or because my gayness is so repressed, but because of
00:37:16.060
because of my sexuality is deviant. It isn't because of my gender of my sexual objects choice that is the
00:37:22.360
whole basis of my desire, but the age and subsequent deviance of that desire, that is important. So
00:37:28.560
what in the world, what does all this mean? And by the way, like, how did he get on the board of
00:37:34.000
mermaids since all of this is public? That's, again, sometimes you ask me questions and I just,
00:37:41.920
I don't know what to say. How did he get on the board? I don't honestly know. He's an academic.
00:37:47.940
He speaks very well. He's very verbose, as you can tell by his writing. He basically is able to
00:37:55.260
couch these desires to sexually abuse children in this rhetoric, this fancy sounding language,
00:38:04.640
it's academic obtuse language. He's basically trying to disconnect the desire to sexually abuse
00:38:12.460
children from the act, which is a key cornerstone of the pro pedophilia lobbying, which is to say,
00:38:20.360
I can have this desire and that's separate from actually doing something. It's all just a ruse.
00:38:27.760
It's a gimmick. They're actually really lobbying for things like sex dolls and in the resemblance of
00:38:33.420
children to be made legal. They're lobbying for, um, they want now AI child pornography, um, to be
00:38:41.680
made legal as, as therapeutic materials for them, which is, again, it is disgusting and it's, it's
00:38:51.240
totally wrong. It's totally wrong. This theory of catharsis that by, by using such things that they
00:38:58.400
would lose their desire is absolutely upside down. It would only cause further. Yes, absolutely.
00:39:15.700
You've been talking about pornography and how these types of pornography, sissy porn and all of that
00:39:22.640
transgender porn has increased in demand. That's because that's what pornography does. It is a gateway
00:39:30.360
into worse and more perverse and darker pornography because the normal kind of pornography at the
00:39:37.740
beginning doesn't give the same thrill. And so it just opens the door to new and more to some people
00:39:44.260
exhilarating types of porn. And it's the same way with sexual perversion, giving a,
00:39:51.980
a pedophile, a sex doll that looks like a child is only going to make that person more likely to
00:40:00.040
sexually abuse an actual child. And so that's, and they know what they're doing. They know what
00:40:05.600
they're doing. They are getting the public and even maybe politicians more and more comfortable
00:40:10.080
with the normalization of that. Um, and are you surprised that he was forced to resign from mermaids?
00:40:19.000
I, I, I suppose so. Um, because I don't think I've seen this much uproar in the years I've been
00:40:31.680
looking at this issue. I haven't seen it quite like this now. There seems to be quite a lot more
00:40:37.700
pressure, um, and highlighting of the sexualization of children that's happening. I think more people are
00:40:44.820
becoming aware of it or maybe we're reaching some kind of a tipping point, I hope. Um, but yeah,
00:40:50.500
the, the way that the information about Breslau spread, uh, online through social media, um, there
00:40:56.740
was pressure, uh, on mermaids to why are you associated with someone like this? Um, but again,
00:41:04.540
it just begs the question of how many do we not know about, um, and also, is it even possible
00:41:11.780
to disentangle the two things, the gender identity and the sexualization of children? I mean,
00:41:19.100
I don't think it is. And we've talked about that as well, but you know, John Money, uh, suggested
00:41:24.880
showing pornography to children to help them understand their gender identity. And when we were
00:41:30.960
talking about the issue of pornography, it's actually quite, uh, there's some research that
00:41:35.940
shows that the younger children are exposed to pornography, the more likely than they are to go
00:41:41.180
on to consume, um, things including bestiality in children, um, as adults. So we're now having this
00:41:49.560
mass grooming of children through pornography. Um, children are seeing it at a younger and younger age.
00:41:56.440
So starting 12, 11, I've heard nine. I've even heard of an eight year old who had seen pornography
00:42:02.920
before. Um, and there's no restrictions for them on the internet whatsoever. I mean, it's being shared
00:42:09.840
openly, um, through Twitter, through Reddit, all of these channels through discord. So even if you're
00:42:15.220
monitoring your child's internet activity, they could join a discord group and have it be sent to
00:42:19.200
them by adults within that group. Um, we, however bad people think the pornography issue is,
00:42:25.580
I promise you it's 10 times worse than that already. And we just don't even know.
00:42:30.340
Yeah. And I think a really scary part is so parents could say, okay, I'm going to keep my kids off
00:42:35.560
technology, which by the way, most parents aren't doing that. A ton of kids are on things like
00:42:39.760
Roblox, which by the way, there's sexual predation there. You've got adult men who are posing as maybe
00:42:44.820
12, 10 year old girls, um, talking to little kids, as you said, discord, tick tock. I mean, it's really
00:42:51.960
amazing to me what parents allow their kids, like knowingly allow their kids to put on these
00:42:57.720
platforms. And then not to mention the parents who think that they're monitoring their kids, but
00:43:02.060
really they aren't, they're right. They aren't going into their messages. They aren't really
00:43:05.640
watching what their kids are posting and who they're communicating to. Um, and, and things like
00:43:11.060
that. But then it's not just technology. I mean, it's also what a lot of kids are being introduced
00:43:16.420
to at school. I mean, that's been the uproar at the school boarding board meetings with parents
00:43:22.360
that their kids are coming home with these books like gender queer, or there's one called like,
00:43:28.960
not all babies are blue or something like that, where of course the LGBT lobby, the transgender
00:43:35.720
lobby says, well, these are just books about acceptance. These are books, um, helping kids
00:43:40.860
on their journey to find themselves. But you look at the pictures and the depictions in these books,
00:43:45.220
even in some of the sex ed curriculum. And it's targeted towards young children, pornographic
00:43:51.880
material, pornographic pictures. Even in some cases, the sex ed is teaching kids how to get on
00:43:58.720
Grindr, how to talk to adults on the internet about their sexuality and their gender. Um, and so it's
00:44:07.180
not even just technology. It's what kids are learning in schools. It's what kids are picking up at the
00:44:13.140
public library. And then of course, you've got things like drag queen story hour. And we're told
00:44:17.980
that all of these things that are happening in schools and happening in libraries are not sexual.
00:44:25.200
And that we are the ones who are sexualizing it by having a problem with it. That we're the weirdos
00:44:30.560
for having a problem with it. They say it has nothing to do with sexuality. It has to do with tolerance
00:44:36.540
and love and acceptance. What do you think? Do you think that it has to do with purposely
00:44:41.240
sexualizing children or am I just being dramatic? Well, what is it we're meant to be accepting here?
00:44:48.920
You know, I saw that genderqueer book. It's a depiction of a strap on. Is that what we're
00:44:54.900
accepting? We're accepting children should be able to see men's genitals because that's what it appears
00:45:00.600
to be to me. We're supposed to be accepting of certain fetishes that adults have. We're supposed
00:45:07.040
to be accepting of the projected desires that adults have onto children. That's not something that we need
00:45:13.760
to accept. So whenever someone says acceptance or inclusion, I like to ask, well, of what? What am I
00:45:21.940
meant to accept? What am I meant to include? And also, why does this form of activism focus so heavily
00:45:29.460
on children? Why are they so interested in children? Well, we know the answer to that,
00:45:35.240
I think, but I think that question needs to be asked a lot more. Why are you telling me that my
00:45:40.340
child is innately dysphoric? Isn't dysphoria a bad thing? Isn't that something that we don't want to
00:45:45.840
encourage or promote in children? Why are we trying to do that? Why are we showing them images of
00:45:50.840
bodies that don't exist in nature to make them feel uncomfortable with their own? Why can't we tell them
00:45:55.360
that they should be proud of themselves if they love themselves instead of the opposite?
00:46:00.540
Right, right. Yep. Man, it just goes so deep, so much further, I think, than a lot of people
00:46:09.700
realize. I mean, obviously, we see that it's being approved of by the White House, but it's in the
00:46:16.700
teachers' unions. It's in academia. It's in the public education system. It's in the halls of power.
00:46:23.080
I mean, it's obviously in these advocacy and activism groups. Tell us a little bit more. I know
00:46:29.500
this is what we talked about last time, but WPATH has been in the news again recently for advocating
00:46:35.880
for lowering the age that they think kids should be able to receive puberty blockers and cross-sex
00:46:46.820
hormones. And I just like to ask the question, what group of people do you think benefits
00:46:52.320
from trapping kids in perpetual adolescence, both mentally and physically, which is what
00:46:57.200
puberty blockers does? So just tell us a little bit again about WPATH and what you found in your
00:47:06.640
I really want a formal investigation opened into WPATH. So just try to summarize the last time we
00:47:18.160
talked. Sorry, this is really hard for me to talk about.
00:47:23.700
So WPATH, I discovered, was involved with a forum that was writing, hosting, producing child sexual
00:47:36.380
abuse materials, written child pornography that sexualized the castration and torture of children,
00:47:45.660
particularly the surgical castration, but also chemical castration, which would be what we think
00:47:52.020
of when we talk about puberty blockers. WPATH was actually named in some of these fantasies,
00:47:58.460
I'll be quite honest. And there were stories there about lowering the age of consent to 12.
00:48:04.540
There were stories in there about doctors sexually abusing children or keeping them in a puberty-like
00:48:11.180
state, halting their puberty through medical means. So this forum that was producing this content for
00:48:20.120
decades. Several academics from that forum who were involved for, again, for decades in the forum
00:48:29.320
are involved with WPATH. One of them is Tom Johnson, who he authored, or at least assisted in authoring
00:48:39.880
a chapter on a eunuch gender identity recently. But that had been in the works for over a decade.
00:48:46.940
He, along with some other men from the forum, were speaking at a WPATH conference as early as 2009.
00:48:55.640
This conference is where a decision was made to change gender identity disorder terminology to
00:49:03.340
gender dysphoria, gender incongruence, and then gender dysphoria. So you see the weakening of the
00:49:09.280
language becoming more and more subjective. They were a part of that. They were at least in attendance for
00:49:14.960
that. And yeah, so WPATH was knowingly involved with these men. They actually even published research
00:49:26.880
that Tom Johnson was putting out, getting directly from men involved in the forum. He would conduct
00:49:35.240
surveys with them and then publish them in the International Journal of Transgenderism, which is
00:49:40.800
put out by WPATH. And again, some of the things in this forum did include videos of surgical pastration
00:49:53.140
My gosh. I mean, it really, it does not get darker than that. It doesn't get more demonic than that. And
00:49:59.800
if we had a functioning DOJ, they would be investigating that. But instead, they're going
00:50:06.520
after peaceful protesters who happen to be on the right, at least when it comes to the issue
00:50:12.920
of abortion. We have a politicized DOJ, and so they're not interested at all in harm like this.
00:50:20.680
All right, guys, I hope you enjoyed part one of that conversation. Like I said, part two
00:50:29.060
will be coming tomorrow. I know that this is some dark and deep stuff, but I think it's so
00:50:35.980
important for us to understand where all of this is coming from. I think it's so important for us to
00:50:41.640
know the roots of this, how just how deep this goes, how dark this is, because as you'll hear me
00:50:47.580
say tomorrow, it strengthens our resolve against it. It helps us recognize that this is not an
00:50:53.480
innocent movement, that there may be some innocent or some victims, I should say, within this movement
00:50:59.920
that are not all part of its nefarious motives, and we should have compassion for them, but understand
00:51:06.060
that its roots are demonic, that there is a spiritual battle at play here, and Christians absolutely
00:51:11.940
have the right and the responsibility to push back against it with the full knowledge
00:51:17.060
that is out there about what this is and where it's coming from. All right, before we close this
00:51:22.540
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