Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 03, 2022


Ep 702 ｜ The Pedophilic Underbelly of Transgender Activism ｜ Guest： Genevieve Gluck (Part 1)

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virtuous pedophilia activism pro pedophilia lobbying
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Allie Beth Stuckey
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Genevieve Gluck
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John Money Dylan Mulvaney Genevieve Gluck Jacob Breslow Monica Helms Tom Johnson Gail Rubin Allie Michael Melsheimer Jason Whitlock Judith Butler Carol Anderson Ann Seltzer Walt Heyer Glenn Beck Steve Dace Mermaids Barbie Roblox Tales
REPLAY： Is Empathy Making Us Stupid？ Ep 703 ｜ Envy & Porn： Trans Violence Against Women ｜ Guest： Genevieve Gluck (Part 2)

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Genevieve Gluck is a feminist and journalist who spends her days deeply researching the dangerous ideology of gender identity and pornography. She is also the co-founder of Redux, a pro-woman, pro-child safeguarding publication.

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00:00:00.000 Opposition to gender ideology is winning, but if we want to continue to successfully push back 0.95
00:00:07.260 against the insanity of this ideology, we have to understand it. That means we have to know
00:00:13.060 from where it comes, the ideas and motivations that serve as its foundation, how we got here,
00:00:19.500 and the people in power pushing it. This movement is darker, more perverse, and more dangerous than
00:00:25.680 you and I could possibly imagine. The truth is this. There is no way to separate it from pedophilia,
00:00:35.420 from pornography, or from violence against women. And today, my guest, a feminist and journalist who
00:00:42.420 spends her days deeply researching this, breaks all of this down for us. And we've spoken to her
00:00:48.700 before. Her name is Genevieve Gluck. It's one of our most popular episodes ever. We'll link it in
00:00:53.780 the description here. This conversation that we had today was so much that we had to split it into
00:01:03.320 two parts. I could have talked to her for five more hours. I mean, she really does know so much about
00:01:09.740 what is behind all of this. So we had to split it up. I didn't want to, but we just had to for your
00:01:16.780 sake to be able to take each part in for what it is. So you don't want to miss tomorrow's either. Make
00:01:22.600 sure that you tune in for it. And also, Christian, as you listen to or watch this, keep in mind,
00:01:30.400 Psalm 37, go read it, that one day God will defeat wickedness and darkness forever, and that we are
00:01:38.480 until then to be ambassadors of his goodness, of his light, of his justice. Evil will not win. Evil will
00:01:46.200 not win ultimately. And that is what keeps us hopeful and joyful and sane. But unfortunately,
00:01:52.200 sometimes we have to stare into the darkness to successfully push back against it. This episode,
00:01:58.300 as always, is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. That's American meat delivered right
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00:02:08.260 Now is our conversation with Genevieve Gluck. Genevieve, thanks so much for joining us again.
00:02:23.380 And before we get into our conversation, I just want to encourage everyone, again, go listen to
00:02:28.580 our last conversation that's going to help kind of lay a foundation for what we're talking about today.
00:02:34.400 But just as kind of a brief recap, can you tell us who you are and what you do, why you talk about
00:02:41.940 these transgender issues? So I'm a feminist. I have been for many years now, maybe about 10 years ago 0.76
00:02:53.060 when I started to get interested in this issue. And because of that, I was concerned about the erosion
00:02:59.600 of the rights of the rights of women and the rights of children as a result of gender identity
00:03:04.880 ideology. I work with Redux, which is a pro-woman, pro-child safeguarding publication, which I founded
00:03:14.700 with Anna Slatz at the beginning of this year. Since that time, we've published, I believe, over 400
00:03:20.800 news-related articles since the end of January, focusing on this topic. And I'm mainly concerned about
00:03:29.500 the denial of reality, but also how dangerous this is for women and for children, how it puts
00:03:37.660 both groups into harm's way.
00:03:41.480 And what we talked about last time was something that a lot of people either don't know or they
00:03:46.120 don't want to admit. And that is the connection between gender ideology and the boom of gender 0.98
00:03:54.140 ideology, especially among men and pedophilia, specifically pornography that depicts pedophilic
00:04:04.300 type tropes and how this has actually seeped into or has maybe always been a part of some of the
00:04:13.340 biggest transgender advocacy organizations in the world, like WPATH. So I know that it's a lot to kind
00:04:20.620 of summarize, but could you talk just a little bit about how you kind of made that connection?
00:04:28.460 You're right. It is a lot. It's a lot to summarize. And I think one place to start is by looking at
00:04:34.560 sexology. Actually, I know that a lot of people tend to focus on queer theory and academia, which is
00:04:40.140 true, but sexology predates that. And we can look at the work of a sexologist named John Money,
00:04:48.000 for example, who is credited with coining the term gender identity and his awful experiments on
00:04:56.260 children. In particular, he experimented on some two twin boys, the Reimer twins, and tried to convince
00:05:05.360 one of the boys that he was actually a girl, but also made pornography involving these children as well
00:05:12.600 and had written for a pro pedophile academic journal at the time. So this would have been
00:05:17.880 during the 60s and 70s and 80s when he was most active. But not just him, there's a really strong
00:05:25.560 overlap that tends with the pornography as well. I've talked about something called sissy porn. Now, 0.97
00:05:34.660 this is a little disturbing. But you know, it tends to revolve around the idea of turning a man into a
00:05:40.260 woman through erotic symbolism, usually makeup, lingerie dresses and humiliation. But even within
00:05:47.540 that, the sexualization of humiliation is the concept of being turned into a child. These are 0.80
00:05:54.700 called age regression fantasies. And they can be found amongst transgender erotica, you can easily do 0.65
00:06:01.220 an Amazon search for this and self published books will come up. But also images that feature children
00:06:09.040 with sexual writing and stories on them that can be found online as well that are associated with
00:06:16.740 this whole gender swapping, body swapping and age regression, all as forms of erotic play that they 0.86
00:06:25.820 call it. So the overlap can clearly be seen within sexology, as well as within the user generated
00:06:34.760 pornography and erotica related to having a quote, unquote, gender identity.
00:06:40.740 And this isn't really new, as we talked about briefly last time. And I know that this is kind of
00:06:48.140 a dense part of this conversation. But just so kind of people know the roots of this stuff,
00:06:54.500 we can look at the sexology from the 60s and 70s, we can look at Gail Rubin and John Money,
00:07:01.040 the queer theorists and the sexologists of the time, who not only advocated for this novel idea
00:07:08.040 that gender and sex are independent from each other and are just kind of gender is just a 0.97
00:07:12.720 product of feelings or of nurture, as you mentioned, the Reimer twins. But also, I mean,
00:07:20.840 there was especially in Gail Rubin's writing and among, you know, John Money's studies,
00:07:26.460 there was this advocacy of pedophilia, as you said, how did that become then mainstream and then
00:07:34.360 manifest itself into this boom of men saying that they are women? And yes, women saying that they
00:07:42.560 are men, but I think that I think that that's almost a whole different thing. And that there's
00:07:48.100 like a whole different reason for that. So like, tell me how these strange academic ideas started
00:07:55.600 by characterizing pornography, and then became part of such mainstream public dialogue?
00:08:04.840 Well, I mean, that is a really big question, you know, how did it go from academia into the
00:08:11.320 mainstream? Of course, there's, you know, textbooks, there's people you can cite like Judith Butler,
00:08:17.600 who was immensely popular in academia, beginning from the 90s. But I really think that people don't
00:08:25.520 talk enough about how pornography is mainstreaming these concepts, particularly the concept that 1.00
00:08:32.140 a woman could have a penis, which is such an absurd concept on its face. But when you actually look at 0.99
00:08:41.580 some of the surgeries and themes within pornography, it's not that, well, you can see where it's coming
00:08:49.960 from is what I mean, because transgender pornography has just skyrocketed in terms of popularity.
00:08:56.620 Particularly, there's a huge demand for men who have feminized themselves in some capacity, whether
00:09:03.340 that's plastic surgery, hormones, both, the more he might resemble a woman, then the more he might be
00:09:13.240 paid. Often, these men could be paid double what a woman is paid in pornography, because the demand is so
00:09:19.080 high. And then it normalizes this concept of unnatural bodies, bodies that you wouldn't find in
00:09:26.640 nature, having them to be sexually thrilling, it's creating, I believe it's creating a form of fetishism,
00:09:35.400 which had never previously existed to this extent. And so when we talk about academia, we have to
00:09:41.740 understand as well that pornography is influencing people in ways that we don't see as well, we can
00:09:48.640 clearly look at academia, we can look at published works. We don't often see what's happening when
00:09:53.880 people are consuming pornography and how that shapes their perception of the world.
00:10:08.760 I think people, I mean, most people just don't have exposure to that. And they're not considering
00:10:15.040 those things. The only thing that we are seeing is what's presented to us in the public, which are,
00:10:20.040 look, these are marginalized people who are misunderstood, who are so mentally tortured
00:10:24.320 because they were born in the wrong body. And all they need is our tolerance and love and acceptance.
00:10:29.820 Most people don't kind of see the dark underbelly of this. I follow an account called Males of Reddit,
00:10:36.320 which I'm sure that you follow too. Most people don't. But you see the thoughts and the processes
00:10:45.900 of these men trying to identify as women. And there are some common themes in there that are really
00:10:52.900 disturbing. But one theme that I see over and over again is autogynephilia, that these men are really
00:11:00.900 turned on by the idea of being a woman, of having female body parts, of being referred to as she,
00:11:09.320 wearing a skirt. And they kind of dismiss the diagnosis of autogynephilia. They say,
00:11:17.000 oh, no, it's just because I'm so happy finally being myself has nothing to do with any kind of sexual
00:11:23.300 perversion. So I'm wondering if we should be asking ourselves, really, what is causing the boom of
00:11:30.620 autogynephilia even more than we're asking what's causing the boom of transgenderism? I think it's 1.00
00:11:35.940 being mislabeled. In most cases, when it comes to men, I don't think it's really gender identity
00:11:41.380 confusion or gender dysphoria among these men. I think that they're porn sick, and they've developed 0.99
00:11:47.840 autogynephilia as a result of that in a lot of cases. Yeah, absolutely. I think you're spot on. 0.97
00:11:55.380 I hesitate to use the term autogynephilia myself, because I feel it's a bit misleading, because
00:12:02.700 in my opinion, they're not turned on by being women. They're turned on by being objectified, 1.00
00:12:08.400 which I think is different. But certainly, that's the case where it's sexualizing, objectifying oneself,
00:12:16.420 which for these men is a fun game, because it's not something that they have to do or deal with
00:12:21.980 in the real world. It's just something that they can do for their own thrills. And that's why it's
00:12:27.480 hugely insulting to women, actually, because they're getting a thrill out of some facets of 1.00
00:12:32.840 women's reality that are quite oppressive and quite mean and degrading. Concepts involving masochism, 1.00
00:12:39.880 humiliation. The thrill here is the humiliation as well that's involved with having one's status reduced
00:12:47.340 to that of a woman, which is why it escalates further and further, like I mentioned, with 0.74
00:12:52.100 continued humiliation of being turned into a child, for example, that we also see. So I don't
00:12:58.840 feel that it's quite so clear cut with autogynephilia. I feel it's this range of fetishization of erotic
00:13:06.880 symbols. And I do think that it could be a social contagion spread through pornography, actually.
00:13:14.200 Yeah, yeah. And I guess if you don't, if that is affirmed, if it's affirmed as an identity,
00:13:23.380 especially an oppressed identity that gets certain privileges, then it, I mean, why not take on your
00:13:31.300 sexual perversion as who you are? Like, why not allow it to become your personal and political 0.53
00:13:38.540 identity? Why does biology matter more than those feelings if you are getting kind of a status of
00:13:47.420 some kind of heightened status, I guess, of fame or acceptance or pity? I think a lot of people are
00:13:55.640 seeking that victim status, I guess. And so the more we approve of and accept and even celebrate
00:14:01.900 this, of course, there's more people that are going to take on their perversion as their identity.
00:14:05.720 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, Dylan Mulvaney just went to the White House, didn't he? And now he's got
00:14:12.520 something like a million dollars worth of sponsorship deals out of this. And for what? For
00:14:18.380 insulting women on a public scale. I mean, the content, for those who don't know that this 0.80
00:14:25.300 TikToker Dylan Mulvaney produces, is shockingly insulting. Most people, when they first see it,
00:14:32.660 they think it's a joke, because he refers to having a Barbie pouch. He refers to women's
00:14:37.740 genitalia in that way. And, and he acts in the most stereotypical, insulting manner of being afraid 0.89
00:14:45.680 of bugs, wanting to go shopping.
00:14:48.280 Calling himself a bimbo. He said, day one, I think he said, oh, day one of being a girl,
00:14:55.280 I have already cried for no reason, sent an email, sent a scathing email that I didn't,
00:15:01.760 or wrote a scathing email that I didn't actually send. Basically, he thinks being a woman is being
00:15:07.960 a floocy. But it's worse than that, because he doesn't call himself a woman. I mean, he's probably 0.93
00:15:12.140 in his 30s. I don't know. He has a five o'clock shadow. He calls himself a girl, though. I mean,
00:15:18.080 he says he justifies it by saying, well, I never had a girl upbringing. And so I want to know what
00:15:23.460 that's like, what do you think is behind a 30 year old man calling himself a girl and wearing
00:15:28.580 pigtails and being afraid of bugs?
00:15:31.180 It's the humiliation, again, obviously, he's eroticizing, being reduced, having his status 0.80
00:15:36.800 reduced in this way. And the girl thing isn't new, either, that there are hashtags. I mean,
00:15:44.940 on Twitter, there's the hashtag girls like us, I think is one of them for the trans. But also that
00:15:50.720 term girl, when most people think of that term, well, I shouldn't say most people, that term is
00:15:58.800 associated with pornography and with the sex industry, actually. So if you say girls, within
00:16:05.120 the sex industry, that that's how they're referred to, they're not referred to as women. So it also 1.00
00:16:09.880 carries that meaning behind it as well. But also, in the 70s, starting around 1969 to through the 80s
00:16:19.240 and 90s, there were these publications that were being printed across the US, and I think in New
00:16:25.000 Zealand as well, of crossdresser organizations, so transvestic fetishists, and they would refer to
00:16:31.600 themselves as girls. Also, they would pretend play as though they were sororities, they would give
00:16:38.900 themselves sorority names and call themselves girls. And in some cases, write poems about being turned
00:16:46.620 into girls. So yes, it is very creepy. In Dylan's case, I wonder if it's just because the term girl,
00:16:53.960 it has become so sexualized. Now, I don't know if he actually has any context of those other
00:16:59.420 historical aspects. But yeah, it is it is about being less being made lower.
00:17:06.560 So why? Why do you think though? I mean, he's got millions and millions of followers on TikTok.
00:17:11.380 He's got lots of followers on Instagram, as you said, he's making maybe a million dollars a year
00:17:16.600 on these endorsements. And so incredibly mainstream. And I mean, I watch him, obviously, I see
00:17:21.960 a lot of disturbing things. But, you know, he's an actor, he was a Broadway actor. And so I understand
00:17:30.480 why the character that he is playing is funny or entertaining to people. So it's not really hard
00:17:35.660 for me to see why he has gained, I guess, some kind of audience. But why do you think there are
00:17:41.740 tens of millions of people who follow this person and think, yeah, that's great. There's nothing
00:17:47.480 weird about a 30 year old guy calling himself a girl. I mean, I think this is something that we
00:17:53.420 should applaud. I mean, how do we get there so incredibly quickly? Even just five years ago,
00:17:58.360 I think most of us would have cringed.
00:17:59.720 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that everyone who follows him is actually agreeing with him,
00:18:05.880 though. There's, there are people who do follow him just because it's so shocking and as well. So
00:18:12.220 but the support he has received from the White House is really telling because
00:18:17.140 Yeah, disturbing.
00:18:18.900 I'm actually kind of speechless when I think about it, because it the message that it sends to girls,
00:18:25.600 especially to younger girls, who are just sort of coming into themselves trying to build their own
00:18:32.600 sense of identity, are then being told that this is what they should be or who they should be. So
00:18:40.160 actually, the harm is being done to younger girls and confusing them about what it means to be a woman
00:18:48.340 or a girl in this world.
00:18:50.380 Yep. And also, I mean, young boys, any kind of, any kind of person in those formative years who are just
00:18:56.460 trying to figure out what it means to be a woman or what it means to be a man or what it means to be a
00:19:01.780 human being. Obviously, this throws them into a place of confusion. And when they see it applauded, like you
00:19:08.300 said, and when they see it accepted, I mean, you get invited to the White House. If you do something like
00:19:13.520 that, that's incredible. Something in his recent videos, he said when he went to the White House, that
00:19:18.280 he was wearing the trans flag colors, which is baby pink and baby blue. And this is something that
00:19:24.580 just hits me randomly. And I think we talked about it some last time, is how strange it is just to
00:19:30.220 begin with, that the trans flag is baby colors. And when you look at the person who I think identifies
00:19:35.660 himself as Monica Helms, who came up with the flag, I mean, he has in his past, in his past writings,
00:19:44.740 this glorification, romanticization of pedophilia, of marrying a little girl, of age regression tropes.
00:19:54.000 So basically, this kind of erotic literature about being a young girl, being with a young girl,
00:20:00.340 he's the person that created the transgender flag that now is being worn to the White House.
00:20:05.500 Yeah. And when you look into his history, it started with drag, actually, for him. So you can, again,
00:20:15.580 see that kind of spectrum of crossing over. People like to think that there are these very clear,
00:20:20.900 linear categories, you know, that drag is different from trans, that there are all these different
00:20:26.580 groups, but really, they're kind of a progressive scale. They're related to each other very much in terms
00:20:32.560 of reducing women to a performance. But Monica Helms was involved in the drag community in San Francisco 1.00
00:20:41.240 in the 70s. And then he moved on to going to attend orgies, sex clubs, and he started to identify as a
00:20:53.680 lesbian woman. And then he designed the trans flag in 1991. And somehow it's caught on. But basically, 0.97
00:21:06.740 the stories that you mentioned, he has this book of science fiction stories, called Tales from a Two
00:21:12.520 Gender Mind, where he writes what's basically forced feminization erotica. It's a lightened version,
00:21:18.640 where it's not quite as sexual. So to the casual viewer, it might seem a bit odd, but nothing more
00:21:25.660 than that, except for this one story that I've mentioned before, where he marries a young girl,
00:21:32.760 basically a Girl Scout that comes to his door and tells him that she never ages and that it's her
00:21:38.100 destiny to marry him. And then they get married, and then they have a daughter who also doesn't age.
00:21:43.500 He has another story that he wrote involving body swapping, where he's swapping bodies with
00:21:50.280 lesbian women, and then his age regresses as well. And that one interestingly ends up with a strange 0.98
00:21:58.580 threat to his ex-wife, because he named one of the characters after her. So there is this sort of
00:22:04.040 tinge of maliciousness involved in some of the things that he's written.
00:22:07.240 Yeah. And you know, that's another theme that I often see in these people using like the males of
00:22:14.180 Reddit subreddit to talk to each other. Or I mean, sorry, it's not called that. That's the Twitter
00:22:20.920 account. The subreddit is called like male to female, transgender, whatever. And that's another
00:22:26.960 theme that I see is envy towards women, what they would call cisgender women, which is another like 0.99
00:22:33.380 nonsensical term that was created by sexologists and perverts. But like, and fantasies of violence 0.95
00:22:41.940 towards them, and really hating them, of course, trying to inflict violence on people that they 0.95
00:22:48.000 consider TERFs, trans-exclusionary, radical, feminists. And so there's also, like you said, 0.92
00:22:55.120 that malice there, that hatred, that threat of violence. I mean, which you could say is very
00:23:00.540 typically, and in the most toxic sense, masculine. So like, what is that about? If they want to be
00:23:09.280 women, why do some of these men fantasize about violence towards women?
00:23:15.900 Well, they don't really actually want to be women, I think. They want to be objectified. They want to 1.00
00:23:21.320 be sexualized. They're very angry that they, as they see it, women can be sexualized, or even have as
00:23:28.760 many partners as they like, because they imagine that women would just do what they did if they 0.61
00:23:34.340 were in their situation. They imagine that if they had a woman's body, they would do all of these 0.97
00:23:38.700 sexual things. So yeah, the envy that's there is so malicious, I think, because it is so sexually
00:23:47.400 motivated. It's motivated by a sense of entitlement to women's bodies, to women, to womanhood itself, 0.85
00:23:53.240 and to be denied that because, you know, you can't fight reality. It's just reality that they will not
00:24:01.020 ever be women. And to have something like that denied when you feel so entitled must be incredibly
00:24:07.940 frustrating. It's almost a bit like the narcissistic rage that one might feel at having
00:24:14.100 their constructed identity denied. So yeah, women who have been in relationships with men who then
00:24:21.520 started to declare a transgender status have talked about this. There's an account called
00:24:26.600 Trans Widows Voices that highlights some of these stories of women who escape these incredibly abusive
00:24:32.160 relationships where they're having to perform for them sexually, things that they want to do,
00:24:40.060 and the psychological abuse that they inflict on these women who then go on to be ashamed by society
00:24:48.340 for for leaving these men. Yeah, it's, it's really terrible.
00:25:05.800 I think that there is, and I'm sure you would agree, a distinction between those who really,
00:25:11.780 truly have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria, which is a real diagnosis, but it's a very, very,
00:25:20.480 very, very, very small portion of the population who from an extremely young age have had insistent,
00:25:28.060 persistent, consistent, just almost unbearable discomfort with their body that comes both male 0.99
00:25:35.200 and female. It doesn't seem to me like someone who has that genuine diagnosis would be flaunting
00:25:44.040 their masculinity, would be trying to enter the spaces of women, would be trying to impose upon 1.00
00:25:51.480 women's rights and privacy because that discomfort, I would think, would kind of make them do the 1.00
00:25:57.400 opposite. They would be embarrassed by this conflict. That, to me, these people who are so flagrant in
00:26:05.140 their, you know, in their really hatred of women and desire to objectify women, they don't have
00:26:12.180 symptoms of the dysphoria that we thought was underlying all transgenderism.
00:26:19.560 Right. I'm going to say something that might be a little controversial.
00:26:24.040 This whole conversation is controversial to a lot of people, so it's fine.
00:26:30.120 I have my doubts about gender dysphoria as a term. I have no doubts that body dysmorphic 1.00
00:26:38.820 disorders exist. I'm not contesting that. I am questioning the use of this term and how helpful
00:26:46.240 it is because we know that body dysmorphic disorders overwhelmingly impact girls and young
00:26:55.140 women. We've always known that. Something like 90% of anorexia diagnoses have been in girls and young
00:27:01.860 women. Okay. And so the reason I'm saying that gender dysphoria is something I'm not quite sure
00:27:08.680 about using as a term is in the first place, one, we wouldn't have gender dysphoria if everyone
00:27:13.380 was free to live as they liked. If we didn't impose these, you know, really strict gender 1.00
00:27:20.220 stereotypes onto people, then in theory, we wouldn't have gender dysphoria. But the other reason is
00:27:26.740 that, as you briefly mentioned before, the motivations I feel are quite different between
00:27:32.680 an adult man and a teenage girl in terms of the whole, you know, wanting to transition or wanting
00:27:40.180 medical interventions. I believe overwhelmingly that men are driven by sexual motivations,
00:27:47.480 whereas women and girls are not. They're driven by a desire to escape objectification, I would say. 1.00
00:27:54.740 So I actually feel that the term gender dysphoria is a bit of a cooptation of women's body dysmorphic
00:28:01.780 feelings. I feel that it's almost like a forced teaming that we're now including women and girls who
00:28:09.140 who suffer with body image issues. We're now forcing them in with this group of men who have
00:28:15.940 some extremely disturbing fantasies about what it means to be a woman or girl.
00:28:20.480 So I've talked to both male and female detransitioners, and I agree with you that it does seem like 1.00
00:28:28.540 overwhelmingly for women, it's because they were objectified, they were uncomfortable with their 1.00
00:28:33.520 bodies, they were sexually abused very often. And so they thought that becoming more masculine,
00:28:38.920 would make them less vulnerable. And then a lot of times for men, it's that sexualization kind of
00:28:44.960 fantasy a part of it. But some of the detransitioners that I've talked to and whose stories that I've 1.00
00:28:50.520 read who are male, it really wasn't sexual for them. The common thread that I see among both men and
00:28:57.300 women who transitioned and detransitioned very often, not always, but was sexual abuse. That some adult in
00:29:04.320 their life, like I think of Walt Heyer, who transitioned as an adult to a woman, then detransitioned,
00:29:11.480 totally changed his life, became a Christian and all of that. He was sexually abused as a child by 0.62
00:29:18.000 his grandmother, who forced him to wear dresses and talk to him like he was a girl. So it did, I mean, 0.82
00:29:25.060 he's, he's a lot older, so he didn't have access to internet pornography and things like that. But from a
00:29:29.640 very young age, someone put into his mind, that kind of confusion. I also see that as a common thread,
00:29:37.280 the early sexualization and confusion of kids, even before they have access to technology or
00:29:44.220 pornography. That also seems to be what is driving some of this gender confusion in boys and girls,
00:29:54.020 but also boys. So they would say it's not because I had any sexual desire. It's because someone from
00:29:59.860 an early age sexualized me and confused me. So I just don't want to count that out that some of these
00:30:06.620 guys are also victims themselves, unfortunately. Yeah, absolutely. And that's why I think it's a huge
00:30:14.220 disservice to put all of these differing groups and experiences under the same category. It's a
00:30:20.540 disservice to those who suffer from these types of traumatic historical problems in their past.
00:30:28.740 It's a disservice to girls to be lumped in with men who have deviant desires. I mean,
00:30:36.060 we're talking about such vastly different groups. And I do think that the cohort is starting to change
00:30:42.280 among the younger men as well, like you suggested, too. I think that that's increasing. And I feel,
00:30:49.540 I feel terribly sorry, of course, but I don't think it's helpful to use the same words for such
00:30:58.320 very different things. Yeah. Yeah, I agree with you. Let's talk about, though, because this is like
00:31:05.480 one segment of this population that people don't want to talk about what we were just previously
00:31:10.500 talking about. The segment that is driven by porn and humiliation fantasy is age regression tropes,
00:31:19.180 sissy porn, all of that. I do want to dig into some real stories of that. You sent me an article 0.98
00:31:26.600 about Jacob Breslow. He authored a blog on minor attraction and praised a child porn creator. He is
00:31:35.560 also a trans youth charity trustee. So tell us about this person and why this matters.
00:31:43.280 So Jacob Breslow is an American academic. He was an instructor, I believe he still is an instructor
00:31:51.040 at the London School of Economics. Now, recently, he resigned from his position for a trans youth
00:31:58.840 charity called Mermaids, and he resigned over a controversy related to his lobbying, his pro-pedophilia
00:32:07.080 lobbying. Something that was brought to light was that he attended a conference in 2011 alongside members
00:32:14.580 of an organization called Before You Act, which lobbies for the destigmatization of pedophilia and
00:32:22.600 attempts to make it a sexuality. And he was there at that conference. But then it also came to light
00:32:28.620 that he had had a blog previously where he was actually posting links to child sexual abuse
00:32:34.520 materials. And he was praising this man, Carl Anderson, who created child sexual abuse materials
00:32:43.680 of young boys. So it wasn't simply just a one off of him going to this conference, he was actually
00:32:49.620 promoting these materials on his blog as well. He has suggested removing sex offender registries,
00:32:58.260 for example. He has used the term minor attracted persons. And so he had been on the Mermaids on the
00:33:10.460 board of trustees, I believe, since the end of July, or that's when their documents show him up for the
00:33:16.540 first time. So it was just sort of briefly that we know of that he was involved with Mermaids, but
00:33:22.760 obviously they didn't do the correct vetting. Or if they had, they didn't care that about his past or
00:33:28.520 his past lobbying, which is extremely concerning, because it means how many more examples of these
00:33:36.300 are there going to be we keep seeing this association between, you know, queer theory, pedophilia,
00:33:43.220 gender identity, even from its roots, like we mentioned with john money. How much more often is this going on 0.57
00:33:50.460 that we don't know about? Yeah, wow. And tell us, tell us about the before you act.
00:34:01.580 So before you act, most people think that name means think before you act. It does not. I didn't
00:34:09.140 even put that together that it was trying for that. Okay. They advocate a position that's called
00:34:17.000 virtuous pedophilia, basically. They're similar to virtuous pedophile organizations like this that
00:34:22.740 lobby for recognizing it as an identity or something innate that needs to be addressed as something 0.88
00:34:32.780 innate rather than, you know, basically a predatory sexual interest. And before you act was founded by a
00:34:40.800 convicted child sexual abuser named Michael Melsheimer, I think it said. And he actually claims to have 0.53
00:34:50.160 gotten approval from NAMBLA for his for his project. And if people don't know, that's the North American
00:34:58.780 Man Boy Love Association makes me want to throw up. And he had stated that he would be using child
00:35:06.760 protection as a guise or a cover for which to promote his views. And he specifically stated that
00:35:14.200 in screenshots that you can see in the article where he was telling people who were questioning him
00:35:20.320 that he would never use the term non offending, which means, you know, not sexually abusing children.
00:35:27.180 So anyway, before you act was set up for this reason to promote sympathy for pedophilia,
00:35:34.740 actually. And their latest tactic that I've seen is to claim that children can be pedophiles.
00:35:42.320 Because again, if we go down that road of things being innate, identity being innate,
00:35:48.160 that's the next step, you know, so it follows along the same pattern of the gender identity activism to
00:35:54.940 claim that even children can know their identity or their sexual identity at a young age. It's very, 0.78
00:36:02.300 very sinister, actually, because they're trying to get people to have sympathy for children in order
00:36:09.080 to actually then promote the sexualization of children. Wow. So this is part of Breslow's talk
00:36:17.100 that he gave at this, at this NAMBLA, or was it that at the, let's see, the presentation was given at the
00:36:27.480 before you act conference, I don't know, lecture. It was for the DSM. Okay. They were presenting to
00:36:35.740 make changes. Wow. Okay. So here's part of, gosh, this goes so deep. So here's part of what he said.
00:36:44.580 Allowing for a form of non-diagnosable minor attraction is exciting, as it potentially creates
00:36:50.140 a sexual or political identity by which activists, scholars, and clinicians can begin to better
00:36:54.700 understand minor attractive persons. Many tend to begin with a linkage of pedophilic desire to
00:36:58.480 harmful and abusive relationships and acts, and end up proliferating rather than questioning
00:37:02.460 normative, gendered, and sexual intelligibility. And then he has also said things, I am constantly
00:37:11.740 struggling, not because of my homosexuality or because my gayness is so repressed, but because of
00:37:16.060 because of my sexuality is deviant. It isn't because of my gender of my sexual objects choice that is the
00:37:22.360 whole basis of my desire, but the age and subsequent deviance of that desire, that is important. So
00:37:28.560 what in the world, what does all this mean? And by the way, like, how did he get on the board of
00:37:34.000 mermaids since all of this is public? That's, again, sometimes you ask me questions and I just,
00:37:41.920 I don't know what to say. How did he get on the board? I don't honestly know. He's an academic.
00:37:47.940 He speaks very well. He's very verbose, as you can tell by his writing. He basically is able to
00:37:55.260 couch these desires to sexually abuse children in this rhetoric, this fancy sounding language, 0.94
00:38:04.640 it's academic obtuse language. He's basically trying to disconnect the desire to sexually abuse 0.88
00:38:12.460 children from the act, which is a key cornerstone of the pro pedophilia lobbying, which is to say,
00:38:20.360 I can have this desire and that's separate from actually doing something. It's all just a ruse.
00:38:27.760 It's a gimmick. They're actually really lobbying for things like sex dolls and in the resemblance of
00:38:33.420 children to be made legal. They're lobbying for, um, they want now AI child pornography, um, to be
00:38:41.680 made legal as, as therapeutic materials for them, which is, again, it is disgusting and it's, it's
00:38:51.240 totally wrong. It's totally wrong. This theory of catharsis that by, by using such things that they
00:38:58.400 would lose their desire is absolutely upside down. It would only cause further. Yes, absolutely.
00:39:15.700 You've been talking about pornography and how these types of pornography, sissy porn and all of that 1.00
00:39:22.640 transgender porn has increased in demand. That's because that's what pornography does. It is a gateway 1.00
00:39:30.360 into worse and more perverse and darker pornography because the normal kind of pornography at the
00:39:37.740 beginning doesn't give the same thrill. And so it just opens the door to new and more to some people
00:39:44.260 exhilarating types of porn. And it's the same way with sexual perversion, giving a, 0.77
00:39:51.980 a pedophile, a sex doll that looks like a child is only going to make that person more likely to 0.99
00:40:00.040 sexually abuse an actual child. And so that's, and they know what they're doing. They know what 1.00
00:40:05.600 they're doing. They are getting the public and even maybe politicians more and more comfortable
00:40:10.080 with the normalization of that. Um, and are you surprised that he was forced to resign from mermaids?
00:40:19.000 I, I, I suppose so. Um, because I don't think I've seen this much uproar in the years I've been
00:40:31.680 looking at this issue. I haven't seen it quite like this now. There seems to be quite a lot more
00:40:37.700 pressure, um, and highlighting of the sexualization of children that's happening. I think more people are
00:40:44.820 becoming aware of it or maybe we're reaching some kind of a tipping point, I hope. Um, but yeah,
00:40:50.500 the, the way that the information about Breslau spread, uh, online through social media, um, there
00:40:56.740 was pressure, uh, on mermaids to why are you associated with someone like this? Um, but again,
00:41:04.540 it just begs the question of how many do we not know about, um, and also, is it even possible
00:41:11.780 to disentangle the two things, the gender identity and the sexualization of children? I mean,
00:41:19.100 I don't think it is. And we've talked about that as well, but you know, John Money, uh, suggested
00:41:24.880 showing pornography to children to help them understand their gender identity. And when we were
00:41:30.960 talking about the issue of pornography, it's actually quite, uh, there's some research that
00:41:35.940 shows that the younger children are exposed to pornography, the more likely than they are to go
00:41:41.180 on to consume, um, things including bestiality in children, um, as adults. So we're now having this
00:41:49.560 mass grooming of children through pornography. Um, children are seeing it at a younger and younger age.
00:41:56.440 So starting 12, 11, I've heard nine. I've even heard of an eight year old who had seen pornography
00:42:02.920 before. Um, and there's no restrictions for them on the internet whatsoever. I mean, it's being shared
00:42:09.840 openly, um, through Twitter, through Reddit, all of these channels through discord. So even if you're
00:42:15.220 monitoring your child's internet activity, they could join a discord group and have it be sent to
00:42:19.200 them by adults within that group. Um, we, however bad people think the pornography issue is,
00:42:25.580 I promise you it's 10 times worse than that already. And we just don't even know.
00:42:30.340 Yeah. And I think a really scary part is so parents could say, okay, I'm going to keep my kids off
00:42:35.560 technology, which by the way, most parents aren't doing that. A ton of kids are on things like
00:42:39.760 Roblox, which by the way, there's sexual predation there. You've got adult men who are posing as maybe
00:42:44.820 12, 10 year old girls, um, talking to little kids, as you said, discord, tick tock. I mean, it's really
00:42:51.960 amazing to me what parents allow their kids, like knowingly allow their kids to put on these
00:42:57.720 platforms. And then not to mention the parents who think that they're monitoring their kids, but
00:43:02.060 really they aren't, they're right. They aren't going into their messages. They aren't really
00:43:05.640 watching what their kids are posting and who they're communicating to. Um, and, and things like
00:43:11.060 that. But then it's not just technology. I mean, it's also what a lot of kids are being introduced
00:43:16.420 to at school. I mean, that's been the uproar at the school boarding board meetings with parents
00:43:22.360 that their kids are coming home with these books like gender queer, or there's one called like,
00:43:28.960 not all babies are blue or something like that, where of course the LGBT lobby, the transgender
00:43:35.720 lobby says, well, these are just books about acceptance. These are books, um, helping kids
00:43:40.860 on their journey to find themselves. But you look at the pictures and the depictions in these books,
00:43:45.220 even in some of the sex ed curriculum. And it's targeted towards young children, pornographic
00:43:51.880 material, pornographic pictures. Even in some cases, the sex ed is teaching kids how to get on
00:43:58.720 Grindr, how to talk to adults on the internet about their sexuality and their gender. Um, and so it's
00:44:07.180 not even just technology. It's what kids are learning in schools. It's what kids are picking up at the
00:44:13.140 public library. And then of course, you've got things like drag queen story hour. And we're told
00:44:17.980 that all of these things that are happening in schools and happening in libraries are not sexual.
00:44:25.200 And that we are the ones who are sexualizing it by having a problem with it. That we're the weirdos
00:44:30.560 for having a problem with it. They say it has nothing to do with sexuality. It has to do with tolerance
00:44:36.540 and love and acceptance. What do you think? Do you think that it has to do with purposely
00:44:41.240 sexualizing children or am I just being dramatic? Well, what is it we're meant to be accepting here?
00:44:48.920 You know, I saw that genderqueer book. It's a depiction of a strap on. Is that what we're 1.00
00:44:54.900 accepting? We're accepting children should be able to see men's genitals because that's what it appears 0.96
00:45:00.600 to be to me. We're supposed to be accepting of certain fetishes that adults have. We're supposed
00:45:07.040 to be accepting of the projected desires that adults have onto children. That's not something that we need
00:45:13.760 to accept. So whenever someone says acceptance or inclusion, I like to ask, well, of what? What am I
00:45:21.940 meant to accept? What am I meant to include? And also, why does this form of activism focus so heavily
00:45:29.460 on children? Why are they so interested in children? Well, we know the answer to that,
00:45:35.240 I think, but I think that question needs to be asked a lot more. Why are you telling me that my
00:45:40.340 child is innately dysphoric? Isn't dysphoria a bad thing? Isn't that something that we don't want to 0.99
00:45:45.840 encourage or promote in children? Why are we trying to do that? Why are we showing them images of
00:45:50.840 bodies that don't exist in nature to make them feel uncomfortable with their own? Why can't we tell them
00:45:55.360 that they should be proud of themselves if they love themselves instead of the opposite?
00:46:00.540 Right, right. Yep. Man, it just goes so deep, so much further, I think, than a lot of people
00:46:09.700 realize. I mean, obviously, we see that it's being approved of by the White House, but it's in the
00:46:16.700 teachers' unions. It's in academia. It's in the public education system. It's in the halls of power.
00:46:23.080 I mean, it's obviously in these advocacy and activism groups. Tell us a little bit more. I know
00:46:29.500 this is what we talked about last time, but WPATH has been in the news again recently for advocating
00:46:35.880 for lowering the age that they think kids should be able to receive puberty blockers and cross-sex
00:46:46.820 hormones. And I just like to ask the question, what group of people do you think benefits
00:46:52.320 from trapping kids in perpetual adolescence, both mentally and physically, which is what
00:46:57.200 puberty blockers does? So just tell us a little bit again about WPATH and what you found in your
00:47:02.860 research, why they are no good.
00:47:06.640 I really want a formal investigation opened into WPATH. So just try to summarize the last time we
00:47:18.160 talked. Sorry, this is really hard for me to talk about.
00:47:21.220 Of course, it's all really, really disturbing.
00:47:23.700 So WPATH, I discovered, was involved with a forum that was writing, hosting, producing child sexual
00:47:36.380 abuse materials, written child pornography that sexualized the castration and torture of children,
00:47:45.660 particularly the surgical castration, but also chemical castration, which would be what we think
00:47:52.020 of when we talk about puberty blockers. WPATH was actually named in some of these fantasies,
00:47:58.460 I'll be quite honest. And there were stories there about lowering the age of consent to 12.
00:48:04.540 There were stories in there about doctors sexually abusing children or keeping them in a puberty-like
00:48:11.180 state, halting their puberty through medical means. So this forum that was producing this content for
00:48:20.120 decades. Several academics from that forum who were involved for, again, for decades in the forum
00:48:29.320 are involved with WPATH. One of them is Tom Johnson, who he authored, or at least assisted in authoring
00:48:39.880 a chapter on a eunuch gender identity recently. But that had been in the works for over a decade.
00:48:46.940 He, along with some other men from the forum, were speaking at a WPATH conference as early as 2009.
00:48:55.640 This conference is where a decision was made to change gender identity disorder terminology to 0.95
00:49:03.340 gender dysphoria, gender incongruence, and then gender dysphoria. So you see the weakening of the
00:49:09.280 language becoming more and more subjective. They were a part of that. They were at least in attendance for
00:49:14.960 that. And yeah, so WPATH was knowingly involved with these men. They actually even published research
00:49:26.880 that Tom Johnson was putting out, getting directly from men involved in the forum. He would conduct
00:49:35.240 surveys with them and then publish them in the International Journal of Transgenderism, which is
00:49:40.800 put out by WPATH. And again, some of the things in this forum did include videos of surgical pastration
00:49:49.600 being posted as pornography.
00:49:53.140 My gosh. I mean, it really, it does not get darker than that. It doesn't get more demonic than that. And
00:49:59.800 if we had a functioning DOJ, they would be investigating that. But instead, they're going
00:50:06.520 after peaceful protesters who happen to be on the right, at least when it comes to the issue
00:50:12.920 of abortion. We have a politicized DOJ, and so they're not interested at all in harm like this.
00:50:20.680 All right, guys, I hope you enjoyed part one of that conversation. Like I said, part two
00:50:29.060 will be coming tomorrow. I know that this is some dark and deep stuff, but I think it's so
00:50:35.980 important for us to understand where all of this is coming from. I think it's so important for us to
00:50:41.640 know the roots of this, how just how deep this goes, how dark this is, because as you'll hear me
00:50:47.580 say tomorrow, it strengthens our resolve against it. It helps us recognize that this is not an
00:50:53.480 innocent movement, that there may be some innocent or some victims, I should say, within this movement
00:50:59.920 that are not all part of its nefarious motives, and we should have compassion for them, but understand
00:51:06.060 that its roots are demonic, that there is a spiritual battle at play here, and Christians absolutely
00:51:11.940 have the right and the responsibility to push back against it with the full knowledge
00:51:17.060 that is out there about what this is and where it's coming from. All right, before we close this
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