Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 04, 2022


Ep 703 ｜ Envy & Porn： Trans Violence Against Women ｜ Guest： Genevieve Gluck (Part 2)


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33 minutes

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161.0026

Word Count

5,325

Sentence Count

320

Misogynist Sentences

22

Hate Speech Sentences

25


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 In California, a man who identifies as a woman is on trial for murdering two women and their son,
00:00:06.660 and under California law, he will be sentenced to time in women's prison. In Norway, a man is
00:00:13.420 being praised by Norwegian media for identifying not just as a woman, but as a disabled woman in
00:00:18.960 a wheelchair, even though he is fully capable of walking. Here to break all of this down for us
00:00:26.460 and tell us what's going on behind it is our guest from yesterday, Genevieve Gluck. This is part two
00:00:32.920 of our conversation. Go back and listen to that episode from yesterday if you haven't already.
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00:01:18.020 slash Allie. All right. Here is our conversation with Genevieve Gluck.
00:01:32.740 Tell us a little bit about this Dana Rivers trial. I hadn't heard of this until you sent it, actually.
00:01:39.480 Yeah, this is huge, in my opinion. A lot of us feminists in my camp have been waiting for this
00:01:49.720 trial for five years, I think. But basically, it involves a man who goes by Dana Rivers, who
00:01:56.940 identifies as a woman. He identifies as a lesbian woman, I believe. But he is on trial now for the
00:02:03.960 triple homicide of two women, a lesbian couple and their son. And he was found fleeing the scene. This
00:02:13.160 was in 2016. He was found fleeing the scene of the crime with blood on him, with brass knuckles. He had
00:02:20.960 set fire to the house, allegedly, because again, he's not convicted. But there was arson. And these women
00:02:29.200 who were murdered were regular attendees, it's been said, of Mishfest, which was an all-women's music
00:02:38.400 festival. Actually, Mishfest, the historical importance of this, and the group Camp Trans that
00:02:45.860 Dana Rivers was involved in. I'm only beginning to understand how important this is historically. But
00:02:51.900 anyway, Rivers was lobbying against the women-only policy for the Mishfest organization.
00:02:59.200 And the Camp Trans would go outside of the festival and picket and harass them. In some cases,
00:03:08.680 there were stories of members of Camp Trans going in and vandalizing their property. Writing apparently
00:03:15.440 wrote a message like, real women have crimes along the walls. Things like this, basically just kind of
00:03:23.300 terrorizing the women who wanted to keep their women-only space. But Dana Rivers was actually
00:03:30.020 a prominent trans activist prior to this. So he was fired, or not technically fired, but sort of let go
00:03:37.780 from his job as a teacher in the early 2000s, I believe. And the reason for that was because he had
00:03:46.920 started to do his medical transition, the surgery, but he was openly discussing this with children in
00:03:53.680 his classes and had even brought up being sodomized as a child and telling children about rape and his
00:04:03.500 own genital surgeries. So the board decided to kind of let him go, as it were. He wasn't officially fired,
00:04:10.200 but they didn't renew his contract. And that led to a jumping off point where he then used that to
00:04:16.380 become an activist. And yeah, so he had a platform. He was speaking publicly. And then this murder
00:04:27.700 occurred in 2016. We're now starting to hear from the trial that allegedly he was involved in a
00:04:35.200 biker gang that one of the women was involved in for a brief time. So there's an implication that he
00:04:43.280 might have been doing this out of some form of act of revenge against them. Wow. Wow, wow, wow. And
00:04:51.920 it's kind of, I mean, I guess it's not crazy that we're not hearing more about this. Obviously,
00:04:58.180 some media is reporting on it. Daily Mail is reporting on it, uses she, her pronouns,
00:05:04.800 which is like very confusing and seems to bury the lead a little bit. But also, I mean, I could see
00:05:12.380 some people talking about how this is racialized violence because of who the victims were and their
00:05:19.040 race. But it's so interesting how the intersectionality power structure changes when
00:05:25.400 transgenderism is involved. All of a sudden, that becomes the most protected identity before black,
00:05:32.180 before gay, before female, before anything else. If it involves a trans person, it seems like the
00:05:39.060 mainstream media won't honestly report on it. Interesting how that hierarchy has worked out.
00:05:45.880 I wonder, I mean, I wonder what's going to happen in this case. Do you think, I mean,
00:05:51.760 well, you might have already mentioned this, and I just didn't catch it. But is this person going to
00:05:56.900 be in a female prison? He already has been. So he has been. Okay, got it. Got it. So yeah. So that's
00:06:05.860 the problem, right? So if, if he is found guilty, there are, I think, many women who would feel,
00:06:13.760 you know, justice has been done, except that that can't be the case, because then he would be housed
00:06:18.940 in a women's prison. So there's no justice here. Wow. Is there any chance you think that he could be
00:06:24.920 in a male prison because of his past? I don't believe so. No, we're talking about California.
00:06:31.160 So I don't think so. Right. And for people who don't know, I mean, this is something that is
00:06:35.400 common, especially in those deep blue states, for men who even have a history of child sexual abuse,
00:06:42.020 a history of sexual abuse of women, of violence against women, they are regularly housed in female
00:06:47.980 prisons, right? Yes. And resulting in absolute horror for these women, even resulting in rape in
00:06:56.740 some cases. So yeah. And that's why the language game that I think most of the media plays is so
00:07:03.220 confusing, because when this is reported on that a female inmate was impregnated by another female
00:07:09.140 inmate, you have a lot of people scratching their heads and wondering, well, how in the world
00:07:13.740 did that happen? That's why, I mean, it's all so stupid. We have just allowed ourselves to just
00:07:20.400 spiral into, into the stupidity that is gender ideology, that we can't even report things that
00:07:25.840 are affecting vulnerable women. I mean, you almost wonder if it's by design. I mean, I certainly do
00:07:33.180 sometimes. We're not even supposed to, we can't even refer to ourselves as women, according to this
00:07:40.840 ideology anymore, because we're supposed to say cis women. So that anytime we're trying to think of
00:07:46.520 ourselves, we can't even think of ourselves without thinking of, of these men. Yeah. If we follow their
00:07:52.940 terminology, right, I would have to say, Oh, yes, you know, I have to think, okay, I'm cis. So I'm not
00:07:58.020 that. And then we keep seeing the erasure of the word woman from all sorts of things. And instead being
00:08:06.080 replaced with terms like a menstruator, birthing bodies, uterus havers, vagina owners, it's so
00:08:16.280 degrading. Yes. I was thinking about this the other day that women really do get it from both sides.
00:08:21.900 For the women who call themselves men, we have to be called menstruators and uterus havers and
00:08:31.120 birthing people. That's for the women who have decided that they are men who still have the
00:08:36.760 capacity to get pregnant. And then for the men who identify as women, we have to include them
00:08:44.620 in our spaces. We can't even say that while women have vaginas or women have a uterus, like we're not
00:08:52.080 even allowed to say that for the men who identify as women. So both for the people who identify as men
00:08:57.280 and the actual men who identify as women, we who are actually women are the ones who have to
00:09:02.240 compromise our language in our space in our own identity in order to accommodate these people who
00:09:09.560 are confused. So those of us who aren't confused have to accommodate our clarity and who we are
00:09:15.820 for their sake. And you just don't see see this really for men. I mean, yes, like I said,
00:09:22.840 there are women who identify as men, but they're not trying to get onto men's sports teams. They're
00:09:27.720 not trying to go to their bathrooms. They're not trying to infiltrate their locker rooms.
00:09:31.920 They're not trying to degrade their language and their identity. And as you said, it's really hard
00:09:37.500 not to see that as purposeful. I saw the most shocking thing out of Norway. Norway has some really
00:09:45.840 shocking cases going on at the moment. One example of that being a woman who's being investigated and
00:09:51.660 facing up to three years in prison, uh, just for saying that men cannot be lesbians and men cannot
00:09:56.760 be mothers. I'm not kidding. Three years in prison for a hate speech, uh, crime. This was all just on
00:10:04.100 Twitter, by the way, this was a series of tweets. She didn't actually say this to anybody's face
00:10:07.320 either. It was just tweets. Um, and her name is Christina Ellingson and she's been, you know,
00:10:12.500 very brave and talking about this and trying to get more attention to this, the problems with this law
00:10:18.420 in Norway. But the really shocking case that I mentioned, I want to explain about in Norway was,
00:10:24.060 um, I noticed there was this programmer who he was making, um, a video game basically that revolved
00:10:31.360 around killing women, um, that he called TERFs. Uh, but when I started to look into him, he,
00:10:37.380 he was in a women's, uh, locker room a few years ago. Uh, a woman complained that he was in there,
00:10:46.140 um, because obviously he was using the showers and he's a man. Um, she complained to the management,
00:10:51.920 um, he returned a few months later and she complained again. And she was saying,
00:10:57.940 you know, she was actually trying to be polite and saying, I don't mind if you're here as long
00:11:02.920 as you don't, as long as you don't use the showers. Um, but then what happened was she was
00:11:08.380 investigated. Actually, he filed a suit against her for discrimination and nearly won. He nearly
00:11:16.620 won. They actually, in their decision to throw out the discrimination suit, they chastised her,
00:11:22.520 um, and said that it fit the bill for discrimination, but they weren't going to pursue it.
00:11:29.980 Wow. Wow. I mean, how backwards can things possibly get always at the expense of women and
00:11:37.760 children? Um, let's stay on Norway for just a second. And this is kind of the last thing that
00:11:42.280 we have time for. Although I really could talk to you about these things for the next three hours.
00:11:46.920 Um, there, this is the headline in Redux. Norwegian man now identifies as a disabled woman,
00:11:52.940 uses wheelchair almost all the time. I mean, it's almost tiresome how ridiculous this stuff is. Um,
00:12:00.840 this person goes by the name of, I don't really know how to pronounce it,
00:12:04.280 Jorand Victoria Almay, um, said that he had always wished that he had been born a woman
00:12:10.340 and was highlighted, I think, positively by Norwegian media as kind of an activist.
00:12:16.520 But some of the stuff that I've seen you guys uncover, I think Anna maybe uncovered,
00:12:22.000 it was on, um, I think he posted on Reddit that he was actually, um, originally he started this
00:12:29.340 identity as being disabled in a wheelchair because he was turned on by amputees. Like he was turned on
00:12:36.780 by this idea of being a disabled woman. And that's how he came to identify as a disabled woman. So
00:12:42.280 break this absolutely beyond parody, but also scary, sad story down for us.
00:12:48.540 So yeah, it is tremendously sad, uh, story. Um, he, so he's happily was happily married,
00:12:59.180 I suppose with his wife of something of like 30 years, they're still together. Um, and, uh,
00:13:05.380 yeah, so she, uh, she, uh, she was, she was diagnosed with cancer and then he started coming out with,
00:13:13.340 with this cross-dressing fetish, um, wearing her clothing, um, buying a lot of shoes. Again,
00:13:21.360 trans widows talk about how they go through some big life-changing event, whether that's pregnancy
00:13:26.720 or a diagnosis of illness. And then suddenly their partner will come out with this fetish of wanting
00:13:33.780 to be a woman and they'll, you know, expect a lot of attention for it from their wives. And it's
00:13:39.340 very kind of narcissistic behavior, I think. Um, and in this man's case, it seems to be fitting that
00:13:46.000 pattern. So he started ordering these shoes, uh, dressing up in his wife's clothing. Um, but then
00:13:53.580 his, uh, narrative started to change the more that she was upset by this. And she was very open
00:13:59.580 in the media interviews that she gave about expressing how uncomfortable she was at first,
00:14:05.620 but then it got reframed to, I have a body integrity disorder, um, and I'm suffering and
00:14:12.520 I need your support. And then suddenly, um, her attitude towards everything kind of changed again.
00:14:18.740 We see that, um, as a trend as well. So yeah, then he basically started identifying as a disabled woman.
00:14:26.620 Um, his wife had previously worked with disabled children, um, children who were in wheelchairs
00:14:34.740 as at a kindergarten, um, which is, you know, striking to notice that. Um, and he's being celebrated.
00:14:45.940 Uh, he was on good morning Norway last week. The outcry was tremendous as you might imagine,
00:14:52.900 um, um, with a lot of disabled women, uh, vocalizing their disgust and outrage, um, basically having
00:15:01.840 their identity turned into a fetish. Um, he, he has no disability and yet he got a state sponsored
00:15:09.680 wheelchair. Um, there were women in there talking about how difficult it was for them to get financial
00:15:16.360 aid for a wheelchair for their own child. Um, so, I mean, the outcry is there. People were very upset
00:15:24.700 by this, but then you also have the problem of, uh, people deleting, uh, comments like good morning
00:15:31.000 Norway was deleting comments from their Facebook page because it was called discrimination or, you know,
00:15:36.380 it's not kind. Um, but even then still within some of the outrage, people would refer to him as
00:15:43.200 she. So we can clearly see how insulting it is for someone to pretend to be disabled, to fit their
00:15:50.540 fetish. And yet we cannot seem to understand how insulting it is just for women to have our identity
00:15:56.040 taken over in that way.
00:15:57.620 It just, it really does make you wonder how many people in places of influence are at the very least
00:16:16.500 sympathetic to the kind of perversion that we see affecting women and children. Um, people obviously
00:16:25.220 in media, people in the political sphere. I mean, I think a lot of doctors and pharmaceutical companies,
00:16:31.800 they're probably mostly looking at it from a profit incentive perspective. These surgeries,
00:16:38.220 chopping off the healthy breasts of 12 year old girls. Um, we've seen that emitted from hospitals
00:16:43.800 in places like California, chemical castration and things like that. I don't know that all those
00:16:49.200 doctors are pedophiles, but it's hard to believe that there aren't, um, people in the organizations
00:16:56.020 pushing these kinds of treatments and in academia, justifying these kinds of treatments by saying that
00:17:01.640 it saves kids from suicide that aren't just complete pedophiles and perverts. It's, it's gotta be
00:17:08.880 that sexual perversion from the very top internationally. And that sounds like a conspiracy theory,
00:17:15.500 but then when you look at all these stories from around the world, where this is so obviously
00:17:19.920 happening, I mean, you almost, you almost, it's almost irrational to say that there aren't people
00:17:27.680 at the top in all these spheres of influence pushing their perverse sexuality.
00:17:32.840 Yeah. Yeah. I don't think it's a conspiracy theory at all because, um, this is the eroticization
00:17:39.280 of power and powerlessness. And those who are inclined to do so tend to have more power than others.
00:17:44.800 Um, also hardly anyone bats an eye at the fact that child marriage is still legal in the U S child
00:17:52.140 marriage is still an ongoing issue around the world. Um, so when we talk about, you know,
00:17:58.460 in the U S it's still legal in some 30 States, I believe. I did not know that.
00:18:05.020 So yeah, it still goes on in the U S obviously to a lesser degree than in other countries, but
00:18:09.880 it's still a problem. Um, and it's still a problem around the world. So, I mean,
00:18:15.780 talk about a conspiracy theory. You have countries around the world that allow adult men to marry
00:18:21.900 little girls. So no, I don't actually, I don't buy the whole, it's a conspiracy theory. I think,
00:18:28.140 um, money combined with predatory sexual interests is a recipe for complete disaster. And we're seeing that
00:18:37.940 now and we're seeing it spread, um, like a social contagion through social media, through the
00:18:44.400 internet. You know, that, what you just said made me think of something because obviously in Eastern
00:18:49.320 nations where you see child marriage as the norm, and it's not seen as a perversion at all. Um,
00:18:54.720 in India, in the middle East, it is very normal for even pre pubescent girls to be married off to,
00:19:01.660 um, adult men. And, but they don't have the same, they don't have gender ideology. They probably don't
00:19:08.820 have the same access to pornography that we do. Um, it is justified in a lot of cases in just the
00:19:16.000 beliefs or the culture that those countries have. It's just been historically normal here in the United
00:19:22.960 States, pedophilia and child marriage has been taboo for a long time. And so I'm, this is just
00:19:31.640 kind of a theory that I have in order to get it normalized and accepted here in the United States,
00:19:39.000 you kind of have to go through a different avenue. We are not a theocracy. We're not some kind of
00:19:45.640 religious authoritarian regime that allows something, um, like, uh, like pedophilia. Um, and so you have to
00:19:55.240 play upon what I think is a traditionally kind of Christian idea or a perversion of a Christian idea
00:20:02.680 of being nice and being tolerant and being accepting. So if you bring in the perversion of pedophilia
00:20:10.200 as a marginalized identity that we have to, um, accept in the name of love, that we have to kind of
00:20:19.960 protect in the name of empathy, that is how you mainstream it. That is how you normalize it. That is how you
00:20:28.720 eventually legalize it. I think that is probably what's happened here. The kind of the traditionally
00:20:35.320 Christian idea of loving your neighbor being exploited and manipulated, uh, into accepting something that is
00:20:43.700 actually very harmful. Those kind of backdoor ways aren't necessary in other countries in which
00:20:50.500 the idea that we just have to love everyone and be nice to everyone, no matter what their
00:20:55.940 identity is, is not really mainstream. That's kind of my theory of, of why these things are ultimately
00:21:04.220 the same ending in the exploitation of women and children, but have gone down a different path to get
00:21:10.100 here, if that makes sense. Yeah, I think so. I think that makes sense. And I think that if you are
00:21:16.480 someone with a predatory interest, um, you immediately gravitate towards where you can hide
00:21:22.820 the best or get your way the easiest. Um, and so I just happened to see that, that being the case with
00:21:30.660 the gender identity movement, um, but also within academia as well. So yeah, I, I, I think you're
00:21:39.800 absolutely right. You have to go down a different avenue to, to get away with this because it is
00:21:44.060 taboo. Um, but it's also really shocking to me that people aren't really putting this together,
00:21:49.140 um, or that it seems bizarre to some people to put the two together, uh, when we consider the origins
00:21:55.220 of the whole theorizing around this, um, that basically they've, they've taken the sexual component
00:22:03.120 out when they use the word gender. And that was deliberate. That was by choice. Um, the man who
00:22:09.880 is credited with having first put the word transgender into print, it might interest you to
00:22:15.780 know, uh, Dr. John Ollivan in 1965 did that deliberately in order to, uh, kind of downplay
00:22:23.140 the sexual aspect involved in, uh, transvestic fetishism in particular. Um, but he also,
00:22:30.960 again, to bring it back to the wives, he would also recommend psychiatrists to convince the women
00:22:37.640 to stay with these abusive husbands because he said, if they did not, they would act out their
00:22:43.300 fetish in public. Wow. Wow. This is just, oh my gosh. There's so many different avenues of this to
00:22:53.740 explore so many different parts of its history that I think are probably even unknown to people like you
00:23:00.760 who spend a lot of time researching it. I think people just don't realize how deep its roots are
00:23:06.680 and how it affects so many different spheres in our society. And I think it's really important. I
00:23:11.460 think it's really important for people to know, because if people just kind of see the surface of
00:23:15.960 what it is, it can be really easy to be manipulated and to accepting seemingly harmless things like
00:23:21.460 taking on preferred pronouns or announcing your pronouns. But it becomes really hard to give in
00:23:27.460 even a centimeter when you realize how deep and demonic and dark all of this is and how harmful
00:23:34.340 it is that it strengthens your resolve. I think to push back against it and to say, you know what,
00:23:39.800 I'm not going to give in on this at all, actually, because I think it's harmful to everyone involved.
00:23:44.980 So that's why I'm thankful for what you do. I know it's, it's gotta be tough. Like it's gotta be
00:23:49.880 really tough looking into all of this and reporting all of this. Like, how do you just to end our
00:23:55.800 conversation? Like, how do you stay above water emotionally and mentally when you're inundated
00:24:01.800 in this stuff all day?
00:24:06.140 Um, it is, I get very, I lose hope sometimes, to be honest. Um, but then I feel hopeful when I see
00:24:17.100 other people starting to have this conversation or, um, being able to speak with people who are
00:24:24.540 quite worse impacted by this than I am, um, that really need to have their voices heard, um, to,
00:24:33.120 to know that they're not alone. Um, I'm thinking in particular, again, of, of these wives of some of
00:24:39.060 these men who are trying to leave them, but also the detransitioners or the children or even
00:24:45.020 families who are affected by this. Um, I really think that as we start to bring awareness of this
00:24:55.140 and to speak about it more, um, we're going to see more and more that people across all lines,
00:25:01.540 um, are, are being hurt by this. Uh, and, and I, I feel hopeful that if we're honest about it and, uh,
00:25:11.720 try to help each other and lift each other up, then I think something can be done. And I would
00:25:18.160 just suggest, you know, starting from the top, um, going after the institutions that are promoting
00:25:23.880 this, um, asking questions. It can be just as simple as asking questions to your friends,
00:25:29.940 people that you trust. Um, not everyone has to do all of that heavy work or file lawsuits,
00:25:37.040 but just trying to open up the conversation and ask some questions to each other. Do you really
00:25:43.320 think that a child can change sex or should, uh, you know, these are, these are difficult questions
00:25:51.340 to have with people for some reason now that it's so taboo, but it needs to be done. And I do want to
00:25:57.680 just say, uh, this is really important for me to say, because I feel more and more that, um,
00:26:03.400 feminism is getting blamed for this as are, um, members of the gay and lesbian community,
00:26:10.240 which I find to be, um, quite misdirected anger, uh, because this, these groups of people are,
00:26:20.120 have been always pushing back against this at great cost to themselves as well. Um, so I think that,
00:26:27.060 yes, I think unfortunately there are a lot of people who, because they, their identity is just
00:26:33.760 to say, oh, well, I'm marginalized. I'm not straight or I'm not, I'm not a white cisgender
00:26:41.200 straight male, the kind of like apex of privilege in some people's mind. Then I have to link arms with
00:26:48.320 all people who see themselves as marginalized. So I do think there's a lot of people who call
00:26:53.100 themselves feminists and who are part of the LGBTQ world who absolutely advocate for a lot of this.
00:27:00.440 Sure. Sure. I'm not denying that. I am saying that because of this, it is kind of harder, um, for,
00:27:07.920 for those of us who are involved in these communities to speak up and to say something.
00:27:13.560 Um, but I would say that more or less questioning the role of sexology and academia in this is work
00:27:24.760 that needs to be done, but also at the root of this is a level of sexual entitlement. And if we lose
00:27:33.240 sight of that aspect of it, then it's just going to repeat itself, I think.
00:27:43.560 I do. I mean, we have different views on a lot of things. I don't know that I, even though we agree
00:27:54.260 on a lot of, uh, a lot of principles, I don't know that I, I mean, I don't identify as a feminist and
00:28:01.020 obviously as a Christian conservative, we have different views, but I do, I have seen that,
00:28:06.080 especially in the UK here in the U S absolutely. But I guess I've just been watching it more in the UK,
00:28:10.960 a lot of women who call themselves lesbians and lesbian feminists really have been advocating on
00:28:17.680 behalf of women and women's rights at great cost to not just, I'm not just talking about their
00:28:23.040 careers. I'm not just talking about their privileges. I'm talking about their freedoms. Like I am talking
00:28:28.000 about those who have, you know, had interactions with the police because of things that they have
00:28:34.040 set. Um, and so, and it's, it is about sexual entitlement. You do see a lot of these men saying,
00:28:40.240 oh, why won't this cisgender lesbian date me just because I have a peanut? It's very weird. It's so
00:28:47.520 I'm with you that I do think some of the anger is misdirected. And I, I do kind of cringe when
00:28:54.280 people, when I hear people say, well, where are the feminists? I'm like, they're there. They are
00:28:58.700 there. Sure. There's a lot of people who claim to be feminists who aren't, but there's a lot of you
00:29:03.720 who are. And I think, I do think that's kind of just become like a talking point on the right to
00:29:09.660 say, where are the feminists? But there are a lot of feminists out there who are speaking up about
00:29:14.180 this. I think it's funny that at the same time people ask, where are the feminists? Then people
00:29:20.280 also say it's all our fault. So I don't know. Um, certainly one of the original women to push back
00:29:28.200 on this Janice Raymond, um, in 1979. So yeah, feminist women have been talking about this for
00:29:36.680 a while. And that's the reason why there's that word turf, um, directed at feminists. But anyway,
00:29:43.520 um, thank you so much for giving me room to talk about this. And again, always, I just want people
00:29:50.120 to feel hopeful because I actually do. I think things are starting to change, um, in the U S now,
00:29:56.440 uh, the UK has been doing a lot of hard work on this, but the U S now seems to be kind of picking
00:30:01.420 up on that. So that's great. Yeah. You know, I think so too. Obviously it's disheartening every
00:30:06.600 time you see the white house endorsing something like this. Um, and so that can be really difficult,
00:30:13.420 but like you said, there's a lot of people that this is the issue that for them,
00:30:18.240 like things have just gone too far. This is, this is the issue, especially when it gets to
00:30:23.140 children. I mean, I also think it's ridiculous as adults, but especially when it gets to kids,
00:30:28.500 that's just too much for people to stomach. Like people can deny all they want to about like what
00:30:34.980 drag queen story hour is, but I'm sorry. When you see a toddler passing out dollar bills to a man
00:30:40.840 dancing in a thong and fake boobs, like most rational people are like, okay, nope, we've gone.
00:30:47.440 We've gone off the deep end here. There's something that we got to do to get it back.
00:30:52.000 And honestly, the backlash, it might be intense. I don't know what that's going to look like,
00:30:58.640 but when you push people too far, I don't know. We'll see. But I am hopeful as well,
00:31:04.080 that things can turn around on, at least on this issue. And you will have had, um, a big part to play
00:31:10.360 in that. And just the reporting that you and Anna do, by the way, Anna is a hilarious person.
00:31:15.500 I encourage everyone to follow her. Like I love following her. She's just really,
00:31:19.560 really, really funny. Um, so thank you. Thank you so much for the work you do and for taking
00:31:23.920 the time to come on. I really appreciate it. Yeah. Thank you so much. And I just want to say,
00:31:28.680 you know, Redux, we're a team. There are several of us. I'm only just speaking here today, but,
00:31:34.600 you know, we have Anna Slats and we have Shay Willahan. So, you know, I'm not the only one
00:31:40.680 and we're all working on this together. So thank you again for having me.
00:31:45.100 Yeah. I'm a huge fan of y'all. So thanks so much.
00:31:53.980 All right, guys, I hope that you enjoyed both parts of that episode. Maybe enjoyed isn't the
00:31:59.780 right word to use because I know it is so dark, but I know that you also learned a lot from it.
00:32:03.880 And it really does equip us to face the spiritual darkness that this is. And gosh,
00:32:09.380 God's way is better. His order is good. I mean, this goes all the way back to the perversion
00:32:14.180 of Genesis one. It's really just a different iteration of what we see in Romans one,
00:32:19.140 which was true thousands of years ago. People always trying to find identity and purpose and
00:32:23.680 power and profit, uh, in something other than what God calls good. And we as Christians have to
00:32:30.220 stand against it. It's part of our role here. It's part of how we glorify the Lord.
00:32:34.540 Um, all right. On Monday, we will finally be talking about the midterms. I've, I've been wanting
00:32:39.360 to talk about it. And then I was sick earlier this week. And so I didn't get that episode on
00:32:43.660 Wednesday to be able to do that. And so there is a lot that we have not been able to cover because
00:32:49.560 we've also had great guests and other things that we had to talk about. We had the reformation episode.
00:32:54.780 And so on Monday, we are going to talk politics. We're going to talk about the midterms and what's
00:32:59.160 coming up in the election and the stakes there. So make sure that you tune in for that. And I hope
00:33:03.360 everyone has a great weekend.