Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 706 ｜ SPECIAL EPISODE： A Biblical Analysis of Post-Midterms America with Delano Squires

00:00:00.000 All right, guys, we've got an upbeat, in-depth and Christ-focused analysis of the midterm

00:00:07.600 elections and the state of our country on Relatable today. And we've got something a

00:00:13.180 little bit different for you. My colleague Delano Squires will be a sort of co-host today

00:00:18.140 on Relatable sharing his analysis. I know that you are going to love this discussion. It's going

00:00:25.980 to encourage you. It's going to edify you. Delano has a lot of great insight. And we just kind of

00:00:32.660 went back and forth as Christians on what we think, not just about the election last night,

00:00:37.760 the goods and the bads, because there were bads, but also just in general about how we view

00:00:45.380 the state that we're in, the phase that we're in in American society as believers. And so I just

00:00:53.500 know that you are going to love this episode. I have a feeling about it. It's brought to you by

00:00:59.520 our friends at Good Ranchers, American Meat Delivered. Go to goodranchers.com slash Allie.

00:01:04.720 That's goodranchers.com slash Allie. All right, without further ado, here is Delano Squires.

00:01:11.220 Delano, thanks so much for joining for my post-election coverage. We've got a lot to talk

00:01:26.280 about today. How are you feeling just in general? I feel fine, honestly. Yeah. And I think honestly,

00:01:34.640 this is one of the benefits of, and I hate to say it's a benefit, but I don't put my trust in

00:01:40.180 politicians. I voted, I exercised my civic duty, and I feel... You feel fine. I feel fine. Yeah. So

00:01:50.180 we were doing election coverage last night for Blaze TV, and in the end, everyone kind of shared

00:01:54.960 their final thoughts in our semicircle. And one after another, I mean, this is, I mean, I'm not saying

00:02:00.620 anything negative about my colleagues whose analysis I find like really insightful and compelling,

00:02:07.040 polling, but they were all really depressed and discouraged, it sounded like, especially my

00:02:12.140 friend Steve Days, who was here yesterday, who, again, is one of, I think, the best political

00:02:17.220 analysts out there. And I was like, dang, I must be missing something because, well, obviously,

00:02:22.400 I talk a lot about politics and culture. I'm not someone who sits and looks at the data coming in

00:02:27.920 every day and has been paying attention very closely to all of the polling. But I'm looking at a

00:02:33.480 couple things. The reason why I'm not like super depressed today, a few things. One, because of

00:02:39.920 what Delano said, I don't put my trust, my hope, my joy in politicians. Also, this is the day that

00:02:47.360 the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Yes. Hebrews 13, 8, Jesus Christ did the same

00:02:53.380 yesterday, today, and forever, and he's already won. So that victory is sure. One day there will be no

00:02:59.800 more politics. But then also, on a political level, because, of course, I do care about the

00:03:04.380 state of our country. I do care about the direction that we go in. As we so often say,

00:03:09.460 politics matter because policy matters because people matter. People are affected by policies

00:03:14.040 and elections and things like that. So I do care. On that level, we had some great victories last

00:03:19.280 night. Like, I'm really glad that Beto O'Rourke did not win as the governor of Texas. I'm really glad

00:03:25.800 that Stacey Abrams was defeated. And man, I am really glad at the incredible victory that Governor

00:03:33.200 DeSantis had. And that's not just a Republican victory. All right. We kind of expect Kim to win.

00:03:39.760 We kind of expect Abbott to win. But, and yes, of course, we expected DeSantis to win. But if we look

00:03:48.060 back to 2018, when he was running against a hard left progressive, Andrew Gillum, and he won by only

00:03:55.980 50,000 votes, people really didn't think he was going to win because Florida was. And in some ways,

00:04:02.700 I guess you could say still is like a purple state. I mean, he has transformed the state by running on the

00:04:12.560 issues that he knows that people care about and getting out front before any other Republican

00:04:18.160 governor will and say, no, you know what, we're not doing the vaccine mandates. And we're not doing

00:04:24.740 the quote unquote, gender confirmation surgery for kids. Yeah, we're going to have the health

00:04:30.220 department that talks about the dangers of that that talks about the dangers of the vaccine. We are

00:04:35.440 not going to allow this gender ideology to dominate school schools for little children. And we're

00:04:41.400 actually willing to take privileges away from the biggest corporation in Florida, who is working

00:04:47.020 against good curriculum in schools and working against parental rights in schools. He ran on that,

00:04:54.840 that a lot of people thought was radical. A lot of people thought was too far right. A lot of people

00:04:59.000 thought was controversial. And he transformed the state of Florida. Not only that has transformed much

00:05:05.460 of the country. Yes, because he has been so bold in that. So I know that was a long answer. But because

00:05:11.200 of all of that, like, I also feel kind of positive. What do you think?

00:05:16.240 Yeah, I mean, I think your point about Governor DeSantis is spot on. One of the other things he did is

00:05:20.780 he had, he built a solid ground game, because I believe, and I may not have all the numbers correct. But

00:05:29.820 basically, when he came into office, Democrats outnumbered Republicans in terms of registered voters.

00:05:35.040 And now I think they may be up by 100,000 or 200,000 Republican registered voters versus Democrats.

00:05:41.420 So it's the combination of of that political infrastructure and being right on the issues.

00:05:48.300 And one of the things that I think we've gotten used to as an American public is

00:05:52.480 our leaders who don't really lead. They're all their weathervane leaders. Yeah, it's just they put

00:06:00.560 their finger in the wind. Exactly. They see which way is blowing. And then they say, OK,

00:06:04.140 I'll just go with the crowd because it's safety in numbers. Yeah. But when he stood against the jab

00:06:08.480 and Dr. Fauci, he was really taking a serious political risk. And it's paid off because

00:06:16.800 unfortunately, everybody in the country got COVID. Yeah. Whether you were jabbed or not jab,

00:06:23.240 you got COVID. And the difference is some states and some governors and some local officials

00:06:30.080 kept kids out of school, fired people from their jobs, some of whom like the nurses and the first

00:06:36.600 responders were heroes the year before. Yeah. And now they're villains that want to kill your grandma

00:06:41.380 and your newborn. And Governor DeSantis didn't do that. And he has he has health authorities that do

00:06:48.180 not just blindly follow Washington. And I think there's something to be respected and commended

00:06:53.160 about that type of leadership. Yeah. And he was willing to wade into the LGBTQ issue. And most

00:07:00.220 Republicans are not scared. They're so scared. I mean, one of the biggest lies that we saw was

00:07:07.640 the so-called don't say gay bill, which was literally just saying, hey, if you're a public

00:07:13.760 school teacher that teaches kindergartners through third graders and we're talking, you know, five to

00:07:19.980 nine year olds, don't teach them that they can switch their genders. Right. Don't teach them

00:07:25.380 about sex. I mean, if we even just like try to explain the need for the legislation like that to

00:07:32.060 someone from five to 10 years ago, they would be like, why do you even need a law like that? But now

00:07:38.300 not only do we need that law, but we actually have an entire media apparatus, an entire political

00:07:44.680 party, at least the politicians, maybe not the entire base saying that that's bad, that that's

00:07:50.180 bad. No, actually, teachers should be able to teach five year olds that one day they can be chemically

00:07:55.080 castrated and that Jack can become Sally. Right. And I mean, this to me, the legislation,

00:08:00.620 I didn't even go as far as like what it could one day and what it should be a lot different if you

00:08:07.320 and I were writing it. Right. Yeah. We'd say no, never, ever, ever, ever. But I mean, it was a

00:08:13.600 great piece of legislation. And I think because of its like limitation from kindergarten through

00:08:18.500 third grade, it actually showed just how radical they are on this, that they are so keen, the

00:08:26.620 Democrats are so keen to introduce your five year old. I mean, a baby basically into queer theory

00:08:34.880 that they are willing to malign a governor for it. So he was willing to go into the LGBTQ issue.

00:08:42.240 And I think a lot of governors, a lot of Republicans, even if they did do something like

00:08:47.840 Governor DeSantis, when they were pressured by the press, they would say they would defend

00:08:53.240 themselves by saying something like, well, you know, I'm not anti-gay. No, I'm not homophobic or

00:08:58.100 transphobic. You know, basically use their framing, Democrats framing to defend themselves

00:09:04.780 and that's one thing I love about DeSantis is that he doesn't do this. He's like, no,

00:09:08.680 I reject your premise entirely. And I'm not even responding to that accusation because you're

00:09:13.900 lying. Goodbye. Right. And there is a lesson to be learned there for Republicans. You know,

00:09:20.120 when we saw after Dobbs, you had 47, I think, House Republicans sign on to what me and my colleagues

00:09:25.880 call the Disrespect for Marriage Act in Congress. It just shows how weak they are on this issue.

00:09:31.140 And I think ultimately, and it's something you talk about all the time, and I think many

00:09:35.340 Christians, particularly, you know, Bible believing Christians understand this. Most of our issues

00:09:42.560 in our political culture are not political issues. They're worldview issues. And one thing

00:09:47.600 that the Republicans have been able to do to this point is generally speaking, get to the

00:09:54.320 right destination, but they're not clear on their path. So I've, I've seen, for instance, you know,

00:10:01.060 draft legislation that says something to the effect of, oh, if a school wants to,

00:10:08.220 if a child wants to transition genders in the school, the school has to notify the parents first.

00:10:13.600 And, and I'm like, okay, I get the parental authority piece, but we should plant our flag

00:10:19.180 firmly in the ground. Oh yeah. Sex is determined at the point of conception and remains unchanged

00:10:24.880 throughout all of natural life. Period. Then you can start and say, yeah, if a child is exhibit

00:10:31.160 symptoms of gender dysphoria, that child should have access to counseling or so on and so on and so

00:10:35.120 forth. And then you get to the last piece, which is, um, you know, any conversation around X, Y, and Z

00:10:42.920 in the school has to be had with the parent first, but Republicans just get to, they go straight to

00:10:49.540 parental authority. Um, uh, we want boys out of girls sports. Okay. So let's say you get boys out

00:10:55.140 of girls sports. What does that mean? Can, can the school still teach that boys can become girls?

00:11:00.780 Yeah. So, so I think there's an unwillingness to really fight and recapture the territory that the

00:11:06.220 left has taken. And as the left continues to move left, the right is going to continue to move

00:11:12.640 left. Unless there are people who are willing to say, I, to your point, I reject this premise.

00:11:17.700 I reject this worldview. This is what I believe. This is what I stand on. And this is why I believe

00:11:22.920 it. Yeah. And I'm curious what you think about this theory, because it's something that I've

00:11:28.140 noticed about myself and I have started to see some people on the right do this too. So we've got

00:11:34.540 the transgenderism thing. It's gotten more absurd than I think anyone could have ever imagined when

00:11:41.020 we're talking about 12 year olds in some cases getting a double mastectomy because they're

00:11:45.820 confused for a period of time about, uh, their body. I mean, I don't even think if 10 years ago,

00:11:51.980 we were trying to write a dystopian novel about like where this progressive sexual revolution would

00:11:57.500 go. I don't even think that our minds could have gone there. And yet here we are. That's something

00:12:01.860 that is happening in the United States. Um, and it seems to me that as we've seen the absurdity

00:12:08.360 of how far the sexual revolution has gone, it has caused some, some people on the conservative

00:12:14.760 side who may be previously didn't see a problem with a Bergefell, didn't see a problem with the

00:12:20.460 whole quote unquote gay marriage thing. Didn't really see a problem with the love is love.

00:12:25.040 How does that affect me? No big deal. And you know, whatever, we'll just kind of let that one go.

00:12:32.020 So it's forcing them to kind of back up and to say, okay, we got to the point to where we've got

00:12:37.880 teenage boys being chemically castrated and going on cross sex hormones. And, uh, we've got an entire

00:12:45.340 political party that is pushing that. How did we get here? Because that didn't happen in a vacuum.

00:12:52.240 And I'm just wondering if that absurdity and that extremism will actually cause people

00:12:58.820 to become more conservative on the things that they should have conserved a while ago,

00:13:03.600 like marriage. Cause they're starting to see, Oh, this is where the sexual revolution has gone.

00:13:09.380 All right. Where did this come into play? Did it come into play when transgenderism started? No,

00:13:13.900 it was before that. Okay. Did it come into play when a Bergefell started? Yeah. Because that's

00:13:19.500 basically like saying men and women are interchangeable too. So it's on the same premise. Well,

00:13:24.580 where did that come from? And then looking at the ideology of feminism and looking at the sexual

00:13:29.200 revolution that started all the way back in the sixties and seventies. So I'm wondering if the

00:13:34.720 radicalism of the left can actually move some people on the right to the right, because you're

00:13:41.820 kind of realizing where all of this craziness came from. It's not enough to just go back a few years.

00:13:47.220 We got to go back a lot further than that. If we want to correct this.

00:13:50.260 I do think there's that potential. Um, and I think you'll see this more on a local level first.

00:13:56.980 I mean, you see groups of parents from all across the country and now from different faiths,

00:14:01.960 including, you know, Muslim parents in Michigan who are saying, we don't want our kids being taught

00:14:06.420 this gender ideology nonsense. Right. So, so I do think that there are people who are,

00:14:11.980 who may not think of themselves as conservatives, but who say the left is just going too far.

00:14:17.040 They're too radical on some of these issues. And, uh, and, and this is where people who think like

00:14:23.860 this, um, sort of lose the plot. They think that they can say, Oh, I'm okay with gay marriage,

00:14:31.920 same sex mirage, but I'm not with transgenderism. Right. I'm okay with abortion up until 15 weeks,

00:14:40.820 but not 20 weeks. And, um, you know, so, so they, they think that these are just a bunch of

00:14:47.920 discrete points that tend that are in, you know, sort of floating in this, in this circle. Whereas

00:14:54.480 I think we would say, no, these are all points on a continuum. So you, you start one place and you

00:15:00.860 end up the next place. And, and I've been thinking about this. I think one of the downsides of moving,

00:15:06.140 and this is going to seem like a completely unrelated point, but I'm going to try to tie

00:15:08.900 it in. One of the downsides of moving from an agricultural society to a technical and industrial

00:15:13.620 society is that people, um, forget how nature works. They forget that nature has a nature.

00:15:21.240 And when you sow, you reap, but you reap later and you reap greater. And we are reaping things that

00:15:28.400 were sown, as you said, decades ago, like this. And I didn't even get all of it. Right. I've often

00:15:35.500 said, if, if the root of feminism is going to be pulled out of the country's ground, it'll be

00:15:40.580 harder to get it out of some men than some women. Cause I think a lot of women understand this is a

00:15:44.540 raw deal, right? I work 40, 45, 50 hours at, on the job. And then I still come home and I have

00:15:51.520 basically all the domestic responsibilities. This doesn't feel like empowerment to me. I give my body to

00:15:57.800 guys. They say that this is sexual empowering. So why is it? I'm always the one that's crying the

00:16:02.600 next night, the next morning. Right. And it's one of these things where we, we sowed those things,

00:16:09.780 um, abolishing the differences between male and female. Um, assuming that, you know, again,

00:16:17.980 marriage is just between two people. It's not even a man. And to be fair, this didn't start with

00:16:22.880 Obergefell. You know, a lot of people say this started with no fault divorce, where we changed

00:16:27.620 we're going back further and further into things that we didn't even think about. Like I wasn't

00:16:32.260 thinking about like no fault divorce 10 years ago, but now honestly the transgenderism issue has made

00:16:39.820 me think about those things because I am going back to where did this start and where do we need to go

00:16:46.140 to correct the course? Yeah. And, and the thing is people vote for these things and even some

00:16:50.760 Christians and I, I'll, I'll tell them myself in 2012, I was going to a totally different type of

00:16:57.040 church. I didn't use terms like biblical worldview. Yeah. I voted when the state of Maryland had,

00:17:02.860 you know, a referendum on so-called same sex marriage. I voted for it because I thought,

00:17:07.700 well, it's just two adults. It's private matter. If, if a man and a woman can get married, why can't,

00:17:13.340 you know, a man and a man or a woman or a woman? What's, what's the difference?

00:17:15.940 Yeah. Why is the government involved? I was ignorant. Yeah. And even, even though I was going

00:17:21.120 to church and I would call myself a Christian, I didn't have a biblical worldview. Yeah. And I think

00:17:26.080 a lot of believers suffer from that. Yeah. They operate as if their faith is one room in a larger

00:17:33.720 house that they own. Yeah. They only go into that room on Sundays, maybe on Wednesday if they go to

00:17:38.980 Bible study. But other than that, their finances are in a different room, how they approach politics

00:17:44.840 in a different room, how they approach relationships is in a different room. And I think as I, as I

00:17:50.740 matured in my faith, it's just like, no, God owns this house. Yeah. All of it. Yep. So everything I

00:17:57.340 engage in, whether it's relationships and, and, you know, finances and politics, I have to filter

00:18:02.400 through that biblical lens. And if you don't have that, unless, unless it's possible to not have that

00:18:09.260 and still stay firm, but that's extremely difficult. Yeah. Because there are very few

00:18:13.920 things that any person, particularly on the left believes now that they won't abandon in four years

00:18:18.580 if the majority of, of the population moves in a different direction. Yeah. Or even just that like

00:18:25.220 very powerful minority of people that kind of emotionally extorts you into agreeing with them.

00:18:31.660 We'll get back into the election in just a second, but going off of what you said about this

00:18:47.920 biblical worldview, that is something that I've, another change or another shift that I have had

00:18:53.900 in my own life over the past few years. Again, just this, like the craziness of our culture making

00:18:59.840 me go back further and further to think about like, what do I need to uproot in my own mind

00:19:05.660 that led me a few years ago, I would have said that, well, yeah, I'm pro-life, but you know,

00:19:13.300 in cases of rape and incest, I'm okay with that. I probably wouldn't have made a stand against what

00:19:20.300 you called legal same sex mirage. Um, I, I, I just, I wouldn't have either because I would have had the

00:19:27.480 same kind of mentality or I would have at least been scared, um, to say anything about it. But I've

00:19:36.000 really, I mean, partly because of my job had to really think about why I believe what I believe. And

00:19:41.980 I've just realized that everything really does go back to Genesis one. And on those issues, like

00:19:49.020 I'm very thankful. I had Christians in my audience who, when I would say these things, like I said

00:19:54.340 something about being for abortion exceptions a few years ago. And someone in my audience just

00:19:58.700 kind of kindly called me out and was like, you know, why should we discriminate against people

00:20:02.640 because of the circumstances surrounding their conception? And I was like, whoa. So you never,

00:20:08.500 I mean, you really never know what questions you ask to someone that makes them change their mind.

00:20:14.480 But anyway, it's just made me realize, cause I also used to be someone who said, you know what,

00:20:19.060 you don't need to bring religion into the conversation when you're talking about gender or when you're

00:20:23.580 talking about abortion and you don't always have to, but I kind of probably would have said, well,

00:20:29.560 I can explain my position on abortion from a purely secular standpoint or gender. And you can,

00:20:37.060 but at the end of the day, it's really not enough. What you are appealing to when you try to convince

00:20:44.580 someone without like citing the word of God, Hey, we shouldn't abort people because killing human

00:20:50.120 beings is bad. And people in the womb are human beings. Most people Christian or not in the United

00:20:56.120 States would agree that it's bad to kill human beings. When you say, Hey, I don't think that we

00:21:03.420 should be chopping off the genitalia of, you know, of people in general, but especially kids, because

00:21:09.820 they can't really consent to that. You are appealing to an assumption that a lot of Americans have that

00:21:16.080 human beings matter and that children are protected class. The unspoken premise though, in that argument

00:21:24.820 is that people are made in the image of God. Right. And even if someone, a secular person in the United

00:21:31.700 States would not explicitly say, yes, people are made in the image of God. Every conversation that

00:21:36.960 we have about human rights, every conversation that we have about morality is based on that unspoken

00:21:43.960 premise in the West. If you do not have a God who gave you inalienable rights and that the government

00:21:51.880 should not and cannot take away because the government did not give us those rights, then

00:21:57.620 that is the only thing that really makes the abortion debate make sense. That's really the only thing that

00:22:04.280 makes the gender and genital mutilation debate make sense from our perspective, because science can tell

00:22:11.340 you when life begins. Science cannot tell you why that life matters. Science can tell you that we are

00:22:18.720 that we are sexually dimorphic beings. Science cannot tell you why that reality matters more than a person's

00:22:29.820 feelings. Right. The only thing that can tell us that the only thing that can tell us why the life

00:22:36.580 matters when life begins, why feelings do not trump biology is that someone created us that way.

00:22:44.820 There is a God who created us, who defined us, who says what we are. There is an authority

00:22:53.040 that tells us those things. Outside of that, when we're talking about human value and human rights and

00:23:01.080 right and wrong and morality and like the evil of like violence and things like that, people don't

00:23:08.640 realize we are all operating under the assumption that human beings are not clumps of cells, that we

00:23:17.040 are made in the image of God. So I've actually found that, yes, I will go back to theology. I will go back to

00:23:24.660 the Bible. And I actually find it very illogical and irrational to not go back to the Bible when

00:23:32.620 you're defending the definition of marriage, when you're defending the value of life, when you're

00:23:37.140 defending the reality and the importance of, you know, gender biology. You really have to. You really

00:23:46.180 have to. Science and logic and philosophy can only get you so far. Yeah. And I think

00:23:52.540 what is being exposed is that for the better part of certainly this country's history,

00:24:00.140 we all had an assumed foundation, to your point. And you never had to argue it because it was just

00:24:07.820 assumed. I've said this to people before, like when I was in high school and I was taking,

00:24:13.420 I can't remember whatever math class I was taking, it was algebra or trigonometry, whatever it is.

00:24:18.280 And there's certain times where you're using a theorem to solve a particular problem. And at that

00:24:25.460 age, the teacher would always say, don't worry about trying to understand the theorem, just use it.

00:24:29.700 When you get to a different stage, when you get to calculus one or calculus two,

00:24:34.120 then it'll be explained to you. And we have been using sort of, you know, building arguments

00:24:42.000 on that biblical worldview, on that framework that says that the designer is the definer,

00:24:48.260 like we are created beings with inherent worth and value. And all of our arguments prior,

00:24:54.000 again, to a couple of years ago, were built on that assumption. And you never had to,

00:24:58.140 you didn't have to ask, well, why do you think only women can have babies? Like why? But now you do.

00:25:04.740 Yeah. And what happens, you know, the foundations of our entire structure have been shaken and some

00:25:12.760 people are seeing their way through it. I think for people like you and I, it's, it is, the last

00:25:17.960 five years have been so clarifying for me. And as the world has grown darker, I see my faith shining

00:25:26.260 brighter and I'm, I'm bolder. Yeah. Me too. Um, I'm, I'm more willing to, to bring the Bible into

00:25:32.440 arguments. I would, when I was, when I was writing for the root and the griot, that probably wasn't

00:25:37.160 going to happen. I may, I may reference faith in a general sense, but in terms of the foundation of

00:25:44.120 an argument that I was making, that probably wasn't going to happen. So I think as, as things have

00:25:49.440 continued to crumble around us, like you remember the, a few months ago, the college professor,

00:25:54.300 you know, she was in a congressional hearing and she was going back and forth with Senator Hawley

00:25:58.180 and she said, well, do you believe that men can get pregnant? And she was all smug. And he was like,

00:26:03.640 no, no, I don't. Oh, you, you don't. Oh, what kind of person are you? And I was just like,

00:26:08.240 how did we get to this place where she thinks she has the upper hand in this, in this particular

00:26:12.720 argument? She was saying, she was like, it was to Josh Hawley. And she was like, so you're saying

00:26:16.840 that trans men don't exist because trans men is like, it's a woman who identifies as a man who

00:26:22.840 still has a uterus and can have a child. And he, he was saying, I think his response,

00:26:29.480 either he avoided it or he was like, no, that's not what I'm saying. And this is what you were

00:26:34.680 talking about earlier about like, okay, the GOP needs to anchor themselves on reality and not play

00:26:41.200 their games. No, the answer to that question is yes. The answer to that question is yes. Yeah. No,

00:26:45.860 I don't believe that they exist because what is a trans man or a trans woman? No, I believe that

00:26:51.140 there are men, there are women that's determined at conception. Of course, that's, that's what I

00:26:55.420 believe. And so I think, again, that's just the GOP. Like they're, they allow them, I'm not saying

00:27:02.520 Josh Hawley, but I'm just saying some Republicans in general, just kind of like allow themselves to

00:27:07.540 be manipulated by the language games of the left when really you kind of need to call their bluff

00:27:11.980 because what they're doing is they're saying, they're trying to bait you by saying, are you really

00:27:18.260 going to admit that you're this horrible of a person? And I'm like, really what I want to say,

00:27:23.400 and this is what I think DeSantis does well. I don't care about your definition of horrible.

00:27:27.520 I've seen what you applaud. I don't care if you boo me. I hope that you do. In fact, if you crazy

00:27:33.660 person are cheering me on, I got to reevaluate everything about my life. Yeah. I'll give an

00:27:39.400 example, right? And you're right. In terms of characterizing conservatives, I wish some of them

00:27:43.720 would just pull the mic closer and say, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Right. Exactly.

00:27:47.820 Men cannot have babies. But I was watching something on BT the other night. It was Vice

00:27:52.560 President Harris. She was at Howard University. I live in Maryland. So, you know, I work close

00:27:57.340 to Howard and it was a town hall on quote unquote reproductive rights. Because again, if there's

00:28:03.840 two things that the left wants, it's terms and territory. They want the dictionary and they

00:28:08.080 want the institution. So everything is a euphemism. So reproductive rights.

00:28:11.020 And 90% women in the crowd, a few smattering, you know, smattering of guys. And at one point,

00:28:19.940 as is always the case, the conversation turns to, well, what role should men play in this?

00:28:24.640 How can they be better allies? And I tweeted about it. And I said, like, she wants guys to,

00:28:31.760 to, to know why they should be on board with, you know, killing their own offspring, so on and so forth.

00:28:36.720 And a professor of Africana studies at Howard University responded to me and he said something

00:28:45.100 to the effect of, so are you saying that when a woman is impregnated and I'm just like, see,

00:28:51.160 we starting off on the wrong foot, doc. I don't speak like this. I don't speak in passive language

00:28:55.600 and, and you know, that she doesn't, that she does not, not have a right to, to decide what

00:29:03.020 to do with her pregnancy. And I was just like, what is he talking about? But, but a big part

00:29:07.260 of it is there are people who have a lot of education who think that they are God, that

00:29:15.320 they can define reality ex nihilo. They think that their words sort of determine our reality.

00:29:22.100 And it's one of these things where, um, I, I see that type of thing. And, and my response

00:29:30.200 to him was very, very simple. And let me, let me see if I, if, if I have it, um, he said,

00:29:38.120 uh, I'm sorry, I should, I should have had it pulled up. Um, but it's okay. If you, if you get

00:29:44.240 it, you can. Yeah. He said, just so I'm clear, you, you support making sure that after being impregnated,

00:29:50.820 a woman doesn't have a right not to be pregnant. Yes. Because to be clear, that's what we're

00:29:56.020 talking about here. And I said, I believe intentionally ending the life of a child is

00:30:01.180 wrong, regardless of the manner of conception or stage of development. I don't know what

00:30:05.460 right not to be pregnant means. If you're saying a woman has a right to kill her baby, I'd appreciate

00:30:10.860 it if you said so clearly. Yeah. That's always my response. Isn't it so funny how I noticed that

00:30:15.860 when a lot of politicians, activists, professors, academics, but just progressives in general,

00:30:22.380 typically when they say to be clear, they are speaking in the most unclear terms. Like they

00:30:27.360 will be like, to be clear, you are not, not saying that men who identify as trans femme have a right

00:30:36.600 to not be pregnant. Like, what are you even saying? They'll say to be clear, or they'll say

00:30:43.140 something totally ridiculous that is very open-ended. And at the end, they'll say full

00:30:46.960 stop. And I'm like, actually, like I have a response to that. Right. Yeah. So let's talk

00:30:51.960 a little bit about these, uh, speaking about abortion. And then I want to talk a little bit

00:30:55.600 about Georgia and Stacey Abrams. Um, but, uh, so abortion propositions or abortion proposals

00:31:02.860 in the state of Michigan, in the state of Kentucky, and then also in the state of California,

00:31:08.640 um, in the, uh, in the state of Michigan, it was proposal three, basically guaranteeing,

00:31:16.680 uh, constituents in the state of Michigan would have a right to, there's this euphemism again,

00:31:22.600 reproductive freedom. Um, so the state basically is allowing through all nine months for any reason,

00:31:32.360 uh, women to be able to abort their children. They're making sure that it is a right that

00:31:38.040 basically cannot be infringed upon in any way. And, um, also there are some implications about

00:31:47.800 like, uh, apparently how minors are able to use this right to receive different kinds of gender,

00:31:55.980 quote unquote, uh, treatments. And so there are going to be a lot of implications to this,

00:32:00.900 all of them destruction. And that passed in Michigan, 55%, where also Gretchen Whitmer won

00:32:09.300 her reelection campaign. I mean, we are talking about the woman who made it illegal for a period

00:32:14.420 of time during COVID, uh, for people to buy their own seeds, to be able to plant their gardens.

00:32:20.760 She won reelection. So that's a little bit troubling in the state of Michigan. And I mean,

00:32:25.880 really troubling to the state of Michigan. And then we got in Kentucky,

00:32:29.080 the constitutional amendment to no right to abortion. So this was an amendment in Kentucky

00:32:35.120 saying there's no constitutional right to abortion, protecting the life of unborn children,

00:32:40.680 which of course is righteous. That did not pass. The margin was a little slimmer. 52% said no,

00:32:47.360 47% said yes. So again, another tragedy. And then of course, in the state of California,

00:32:53.460 where we are not surprised at all, it's completely gone to degeneracy. Um, prop one, which again,

00:33:01.520 like Michigan guaranteed this right to reproductive freedom. And we know because Gavin Newsom has said

00:33:10.440 this, that California has become in the most dystopian subversive sense, a sanctuary state,

00:33:16.720 not just for things like abortion, but also minors who want surgery and who want procedures

00:33:21.620 to attempt to do the impossible. And that has changed their gender. Something that I've written

00:33:26.580 about, maybe you wrote about it too. John MacArthur wrote to Gavin Newsom about this. He put out those

00:33:33.400 billboards to women in red States saying, Hey, you can come here and abort your baby and used a Bible

00:33:41.220 verse, love your neighbor as yourself to, in order to do that. I mean, talk about like a hard heart,

00:33:50.420 talk about like God giving someone over to the absolute depravity, um, of their mind. And so like

00:33:59.780 this, I know we don't want to get like depressed today, but it's really difficult for me to

00:34:06.500 understand, especially people who profess to be Christians. They look at propositions and proposals

00:34:12.780 like this. They vote for the unfettered right to dismember and to poison, to brutally murder image

00:34:20.420 bearers inside the womb. And like, I don't know what more we as pro-lifers can do to show people

00:34:29.580 how disgusting this is. We're already showing up at the pregnancy centers every day. We're already

00:34:35.380 trying to give all of our time, energy, and resources to parents who are in crisis to help them carry their

00:34:42.040 baby. We are already trying to show people what abortion is. And still we have people who are just

00:34:48.400 completely given over. I mean, how does this happen? How it happens? I think to piggyback on a phrase

00:34:56.940 coined by Andrew Breitbart who said that politics is downstream from culture. Yeah. But I think that

00:35:03.140 culture is downstream from worship or from religion. From yeah, religion. So I think the culture you get

00:35:10.620 is reflective of the dominant belief system among a particular people. The dominant theology. Right.

00:35:18.400 So when you see people vote for these things, you should assume one of two things. One, some are

00:35:24.000 ignorant and don't know. And small eye ignorant. I'm not saying, oh, they're stupid. They just don't

00:35:28.320 know. They're voting on things or they're voting for candidates and they just don't know. But the

00:35:34.080 second one is that their vote is a reflection of their values. And it's unfortunate. But I think,

00:35:40.600 again, starting from, you know, the second wave feminism on, the notion that a child

00:35:48.240 has rights, that life has inherent worth, not conditional worth, is one that many Americans

00:35:55.300 functionally do not believe. Now, a lot of people try to split the difference and say, well, I'm

00:35:58.940 personally pro-life, but I don't think the government should regulate. And that's nonsense

00:36:03.220 because part of what the government does is regulate under what circumstances one person

00:36:07.900 can take the life of another person. You can't do it if it's murder. You can do it if it's

00:36:11.700 self-defense. And that's part of what a government is supposed to do. But I think one way that the

00:36:17.700 pro-life movement can show people, and that's the word you use, is actually to show people.

00:36:24.880 And it would be stomach-turning. It wouldn't be pleasant. But I've written before, and I write

00:36:36.320 twice a week for The Blaze now, so I've forgotten more things than I've actually written. But I liken

00:36:43.280 what pro-lifers are doing now to a second abolitionist movement. And one of the things

00:36:50.440 that shocked the conscience, I think, then is certainly now, as it relates to the first

00:36:55.620 abolitionist movement, is seeing the destruction that slavery wrought. There's an image, I don't

00:37:02.140 know what the man's name is, but a lot of people have seen his image. It's a black and white image.

00:37:06.760 The man is, he's backing the camera.

00:37:08.640 Yes, I know what you're talking about.

00:37:09.620 And his back is just, has just been ripped apart by lashings and whippings. If people

00:37:15.820 were to see what, you know, a dismembered baby looked like, again, it's not something that

00:37:22.720 we want to see.

00:37:23.560 Yeah.

00:37:23.860 And it would probably be, you know, tear inducing, but that's the only way for people

00:37:29.140 to get what we're talking about. And I know that this can be effective because I remember,

00:37:36.900 you know, when I was a freshman many moons ago on college campus, you know, you'll have

00:37:40.640 different groups that come around and they'll table and say, you know, join the, you know,

00:37:44.260 college robotics club. And the college vegans were showing videos of how the chicken gets

00:37:51.740 from the farm to your table. And that's, and that's one of the ways that vegans try to recruit

00:37:57.560 people. So I said, look, do you see how brutal, um, you know, it is, you know, for pigs and cows

00:38:03.180 and for you to eat meat. And I think if people really saw what an abortion is and what it does,

00:38:10.820 they wouldn't be able to hide behind the euphemisms because right now that's exactly what we do.

00:38:15.360 And going back to the example I gave that professor that I talked about, who was a professor of

00:38:20.660 African Studies, he once went on a different show. Um, and he liked it after Texas passed their

00:38:29.140 abortion, uh, bill, I think it was after six, the ban after six weeks, he likened black women who left

00:38:35.620 Texas for other States to get abortions to, um, Harriet Tubman and the Underground Railroad.

00:38:42.860 Yeah.

00:38:43.440 This is, this is how sick and depraved some of these people are.

00:38:46.300 Right. And, and I know this is one of these things. And because generally speaking, you know,

00:38:51.460 black Americans vote 90% for Democrats, um, where the party goes, generally speaking, the black community

00:38:58.160 is not far behind. Um, I, I do not understand why there aren't more black folk and there's a growing

00:39:06.640 contingent. Trust me. We'll take a step back and say, why is it all, all of the pro black organizations,

00:39:13.120 the NAACP, the urban league, um, the national action network and so on and so forth. Why are all

00:39:18.580 these organizations so rabidly pro abortion? Anything else that has a disproportionate impact

00:39:24.720 on black people on, you know, black lives and the black body, as they like to say, or any organization

00:39:32.160 that has a history of racism, particularly with a racist founder, they don't want anything to do,

00:39:36.680 do with except Planned Parenthood and except when it comes to abortion. So it's, it is baffling to

00:39:43.020 me. Um, and I think part of why this is, and this is across the board is when the family disintegrates,

00:39:51.320 when fathers are not in their rightful place, um, other institutions fill that vacuum. Um, and,

00:39:59.100 and I think if, if we want to, you know, so to speak, take the country back, that's going to mean

00:40:05.900 a revival, particularly in the church and a revival in the family. And that is something that no

00:40:13.540 politician can give you. Um, because again, at bet, you, you know, the left is not, they don't

00:40:18.760 talk about marriage and nuclear family at all. That's not a part of their platform. And the right

00:40:23.780 is very squishy and they may, they may agree with us. You know, dads are important. Marriage is

00:40:29.240 important. Sure. And then two minutes later, they're signing some bill to legalize commercial

00:40:33.980 surrogacy or something like that. So they're not going to give it to us. This is something

00:40:39.140 that again, we have to address worship, our faith, our, our, our religious life, and then

00:40:47.240 hopefully see that downstream impact on the culture and then on the people that we elect

00:40:51.980 to represent us. Yeah. And by the way, because I hear this argument from black activists, you

00:40:57.780 know, Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams saying that it's, um, it's a matter of equality for black

00:41:04.680 women. It's a matter of economic opportunity for them to be able to have access to abortion.

00:41:10.220 Therefore it's racist to be against abortion. Look, if abortion was helpful to the black community,

00:41:16.880 it would have helped. Uh, the disparities are still there. They're not closing. Uh, fatherlessness

00:41:24.280 is still a problem. Um, heavy and disproportionate crime is still a problem. The economic disparities

00:41:31.360 still a problem. And the abortion rate has been disproportionately high among black women

00:41:37.820 for decades now. So if abortion was accomplishing, not saying that it would be justified, even if

00:41:44.000 it did, but if abortion was accomplishing all the things that Stacey Abrams and those people

00:41:49.040 said that it was going to accomplish for like the liberation and equality and prosperity of

00:41:53.540 black people, it would have done it a long time ago. All you're doing is decimating your community

00:41:58.460 and you're doing it in the name of love and justice. It's hard. It's hard to understand how

00:42:04.320 people don't see that. It's the exact opposite. And you were talking about that professor.

00:42:08.640 And I was just thinking like, yes, we do show, we do show the brutality of abortion. I absolutely

00:42:14.920 think like when I get emails from people saying, wow, I became pro-life, like listening to this

00:42:21.180 episode, it is always the episode in which, yes, of course I'm trying to use logic to get

00:42:26.420 people to say like, see you're against murder of other humans. Why are you against murder

00:42:31.300 of this human? Just because she's small. That's a really arbitrary standard. But also when I

00:42:35.900 describe what an abortion is, when I use abortionist words like Leroy Carhart to explain what the

00:42:42.640 procedure is, exactly what it does, simply from an objective, factual, scientific perspective,

00:42:50.040 people say, wow, I did not know or I did not want to know. That's the thing. But then, okay,

00:42:59.100 there's this other group, an increasing group of people who know. NPR, Delano, played a few days

00:43:08.640 before the election. This is how brazen they are, that they know that people are just so taken over

00:43:13.200 by their wickedness that they can play this on left-wing NPR and people will still vote for this.

00:43:17.940 They played the audio of an abortion, of the woman screaming, of the baby being sucked out of the

00:43:23.840 mother's uterus, killed this little living human being. The nurses in the room, while this woman was

00:43:33.040 getting an abortion, the NPR played cheering this woman on, saying you're doing a good job. I mean,

00:43:38.260 demonic. NPR played this thinking that, well, this is going to, I don't know, they thought work in our

00:43:45.380 favor. People heard that. They still went out and they still said, yes, that is a right. I am going to vote

00:43:53.080 for that. They're professing Christians who went out and they voted for that after hearing it, after

00:44:01.120 seeing it, who have seen the broken bodies of these babies and still go out and vote for it.

00:44:07.320 And that is because, I mean, people have, I mean, Romans 1, people have been given over to the

00:44:16.320 depravity of their mind. They have ears, they don't hear. They have eyes, they don't see.

00:44:21.600 They are completely in submission to the father of lies who cannot tell the truth. That is the only

00:44:30.420 explanation really that I have. But I mean, it's the same thing like what you were saying. There were

00:44:35.860 people who owned slaves. There were people who knew other people who owned slaves, who saw those

00:44:40.300 scars, who saw the brutality and who would say that they were Christians, who would say that everyone's

00:44:46.420 made in the image of God. They saw that brutality and they still said, no, I'm going to defend it.

00:44:52.120 Yeah. So, I mean, it's, there's so much there. And again, you mentioned Stacey Abrams and I've seen

00:45:02.300 numerous black pastors. There's one pastor in Atlanta, actually, who after the Dobbs decision came

00:45:08.940 down, he had a monologue and talked about how when women put their mind to something, they'll

00:45:14.980 accomplish anything because he's talking about, you know, getting a quote unquote abortion rights

00:45:18.220 back. And then 10 minutes later, they did a baby dedication because they don't make the connection

00:45:24.160 between these two things. And it really is. And I'm going to be transparent. It, it grieves me to see

00:45:37.360 where so many black churches have come to the place that they've come to. It's not all. It's the ones

00:45:46.860 that think that the greatest bondage in this world is income inequality. And, and for them, the gospel is

00:45:54.260 social justice, right? Is that line, that line of churches, um, because they're completely sold out to the

00:46:01.200 left. But I also know how you get there. I was raised in church my entire life and when, and a earlier point

00:46:12.280 of my life, and I won't say when, cause I don't want to quote for lack of a better term, implicate anybody

00:46:17.000 in the, in the situation. So I only speak from my perspective. I made that same choice. I was being

00:46:23.740 irresponsible in terms of, in terms of sex. And I, I didn't feel like I was ready to be a dad. Um, but it

00:46:32.700 was a lot there. It was all about me, what I wanted, what I wanted to do, what I was ready for and not

00:46:38.620 ready for. Um, I, you know, paid for an, an, an abortion and, um, the, the, the woman at the time

00:46:54.040 was, uh, it wasn't, it wasn't coercion or anything like that. Um, but this notion that, oh, women have

00:47:05.260 abortions and then they just go back to life as normal. That wasn't the experience that I had

00:47:09.100 at all. Yeah. It had an effect, had a significant effect. I didn't realize the effect that it had

00:47:16.040 on me until I got married and we had our first kid and my wife gave like many women do. She gave

00:47:23.600 that gift that every husband wants, gave me a box and I opened it and it was a pregnancy test

00:47:28.920 and I was ecstatic. And I went to, my wife and I worked in the same building for a period of time.

00:47:35.760 We both worked for DC government. I was on the fifth floor. She was on the second floor. So I went

00:47:39.520 to every OBGYN appointment, right? Every sonogram I was there. And then it hit me. I said, we're at a

00:47:48.400 similar stage now with our first child as I was back then. And I had to repent of that. And, um,

00:47:58.920 one of the reasons why I'm so passionate about family and life and these issues is because I see

00:48:07.020 everything that I have now, particularly as it relates to family, my wife and our three kids

00:48:12.300 as a grace of God. Um, I don't deserve any of it. None of it. I deserve judgment and that's it.

00:48:21.260 Yeah. And, um, so, so I, I'm, I'm, I'm of two minds. It's just like, sometimes I'll say things

00:48:29.460 and I'll say, Oh, you're being a hypocrite, but it's like, no, I'm not being, I'm, I'm acknowledging

00:48:33.240 my sin. Yeah. But I'm also saying, thank you God for being, um, a gracious and merciful God.

00:48:40.100 Yeah. And that you didn't hold this against me and say, you know what, if that's how you want to

00:48:45.480 treat, you know, someone created in my image, I'm going to close up your loin and make you sterile

00:48:52.660 and make you think about the decision you made at a previous period of your life.

00:48:58.860 So I thank God that he didn't do that to me. And that's one of the reasons why I, I, I feel so

00:49:03.420 passionate about this. Yeah. Um, it, yes, part of it is, is, you know, it's the politics. People sort

00:49:09.600 of come at this on a political thing and it's arguing over was Margaret Sanger, are you Genesis or not?

00:49:14.400 Was she racist or not? And it's like the abortion thing for me is not, it's not a, it's not a racism

00:49:19.120 issue. I'll speak the language that I know people speak. Cause if I don't, I know it'll be like the

00:49:23.620 Tower of Babel, but really this is, this goes back to, to our creator. Um, and I didn't think that way

00:49:31.460 when I was younger and honestly, I didn't even think that way. Even after I got older and after I got

00:49:38.980 married, I didn't, I didn't make those connections. And part of this goes, again, it goes back to the

00:49:43.760 church, black, white, Chinese, or candy stripe, just the church in general. If people are not being

00:49:49.080 discipled properly, if pastors are too afraid to address these, as you said, these Genesis issues,

00:49:56.340 because they don't want to see, be seen as being partisan, you're going to turn out, uh, members,

00:50:03.760 members of the flock who can't make sense of these things. And, and all they'll do is just take in

00:50:10.120 political rhetoric and think that all of these battles on, on a political level, but they're not

00:50:14.960 because you can't tell me that we slaughter, you know, since we're old 60 million babies

00:50:20.700 and that not have an effect on our, on our country. If the, if the, if life doesn't have inherent value

00:50:27.800 in the womb, what, why would we think that people are going to see that it has value outside of the

00:50:32.400 womb? Right. So you, you raised an issue in terms of abortion in the black community. A lot of people,

00:50:38.820 and, and it pains me to say this, their response to you would be, well, Ali, all of these things

00:50:44.020 would be worse if many of those babies were born. Because right now in our political culture,

00:50:48.540 there's a notion that being born poor is worse than not being born, than, than being killed.

00:50:58.720 And I don't know how we got there. Right. I, I, I really, and, and, and, and you know this,

00:51:05.380 because you, you know, the history of these things, abortion used to be a, a white middle-class

00:51:11.860 woman issue. This was, well, you know, I got an abortion because I got a job opportunity to write

00:51:19.720 for the Atlantic and I wanted to be able to take it and so on and so on and so forth. But now for

00:51:23.340 the last five years, every time they mentioned abortion, they're always pulling black women into

00:51:26.340 it. And these, these bands are going to have a disproportionate impact on black women.

00:51:30.600 And I'm saying to myself, so are you saying that more black children being born is white

00:51:36.780 supremacy? Is that, is that where we're going with this? Yeah. So it, last time I was here,

00:51:43.020 I talked about chocolate, chocolate covered Marxism. I still believe in that because that,

00:51:47.440 that is what it is. But it pains me to see how the people in my community allow themselves to be

00:51:54.280 used, um, for someone else's agenda. And if there's one thing, and we talked a little bit

00:52:01.220 yesterday, you know, in terms of my new position, I'm out of DC government, I'm with the Heritage

00:52:04.640 Foundation, research fellow in the center for life, religion, and family. Couldn't pick a better

00:52:10.300 place. If there is one thing that I want to do before God takes me off the battlefield, it is to

00:52:19.000 fight with everything I have, both for the restoration of, of, of the family and God's

00:52:25.160 definition of family, but particular interests on the black family. Yeah. Because there are a lot of

00:52:33.640 issues there. Again, many of which are reflective in other parts of society, but you can't,

00:52:40.300 Ali, you, you can't have conversations about generational wealth. If 60% of kids live with a

00:52:44.480 single mom. Yeah. Doesn't even make sense. Yeah. You can't address wealth if you don't address

00:52:49.000 composition of the family. So I, I have some plans and there's some things that I, that I want to do

00:52:58.160 because this thing has to turn around. Cause if not, you know, you're going to, you're going to have

00:53:04.360 like a small, a very small sort of black upper class elite, um, a medium size middle class.

00:53:13.920 And in 40 years, there's going to be a huge surf class because nobody's going to be able to survive

00:53:18.340 without, without, um, government help. So I didn't want to make it all this, this heavy, but I,

00:53:25.340 I think about all of these things in a particular way for a particular reason. And I can't divorce my

00:53:32.140 personal experience and it actually motivates me even more to say, I was wrong when I did this.

00:53:39.580 Don't make the same mistake that I did. Yeah. Right. Value life. There's nothing wrong with,

00:53:46.220 I know guys who are 40 and have 20 year old kids, right? There's nothing wrong. There's nothing to

00:53:53.800 be ashamed of. You chose life to bring that child into the world and to raise them. Um, so yeah, I, I just,

00:54:01.380 I wanted to say that because there are three things I'd say that the democratic party

00:54:07.040 sells. These are their products, abortion, everything having to do with LGBT and to a lesser extent,

00:54:17.760 climate change. Um, all the other things, jobs, minimum wage, so on and so on and so forth.

00:54:26.260 Those things are their expenses. If you, if you look at politics, like a business,

00:54:31.920 a company has products and it has expenses. So there are things that they pay for in order to

00:54:36.460 sell you what it is that you pay them for. And they sell economics, they sell, and particularly

00:54:42.520 the black community, they sell racial justice, quote unquote. And to the extent that black voters buy

00:54:48.040 that, what we end up getting in return are those three things. And that's why, um, Governor DeSantis

00:54:56.500 had the, the quote unquote anti-CRT bill, right? Nobody spent, the NAACP didn't take to the airwaves,

00:55:05.320 BET didn't take to the airwaves and say, uh, we must say CRT. It was only the parental rights bill

00:55:11.760 that got framed as don't say gay where it was politicians. It was entertainers at the Grammys.

00:55:16.860 It was, it was people on ESPN who interrupted games to say, we're doing this to stand in solidarity.

00:55:22.640 All right, guys, we've got an upbeat, in-depth and Christ-focused analysis of the midterm elections

00:55:30.960 and the state of our country on Relatable Today. And we've got something a little bit different for

00:55:36.780 you. My colleague Delano Squires will be a sort of co-host today on Relatable, sharing his analysis.

00:55:43.700 I know that you are going to love this discussion. It's going to encourage you. It's going to edify

00:55:51.720 you. Delano has a lot of great insight. And we just kind of went back and forth as Christians on

00:55:57.580 what we think, not just about the election last night, the goods and the bads, because there were

00:56:03.020 bads. Um, but also just in general about how we view the state that we're in, the phase that we're in

00:56:11.580 in American society as believers. And so I just, I just know that you are going to love this episode.

00:56:19.660 I have a feeling about it. Delano, thanks so much for joining for my post-election coverage. We've

00:56:36.740 got a lot to talk about today. How are you feeling just in general? I feel fine, honestly. Um, and I

00:56:45.300 think, honestly, this is one of the benefits of, and I hate to say it's a benefit, but I don't put

00:56:50.840 my trust in politicians. Yeah. I voted. I exercise my civic duty. Um, and I feel you feel fine. I feel

00:57:00.320 fine. Yeah. So we were doing election coverage last night for blaze TV. And in the end, everyone

00:57:05.580 kind of shared their final thoughts in our semi-circle and one after another. I mean, this is, I mean,

00:57:11.040 I'm not saying anything negative about my colleagues whose analysis I find like really

00:57:16.740 insightful and compelling, but they were all really depressed and discouraged. It sounded like,

00:57:22.600 especially my friend, Steve days, who was here yesterday, who again is one of, I think the best

00:57:27.760 political analysts out there. And I was like, dang, I must be missing something because while obviously

00:57:33.560 I talk a lot about politics and culture, I'm not someone who sits and looks at the data coming in

00:57:39.060 every day. And it's been paying attention very closely to all of the polling, but I'm looking

00:57:44.320 at a couple of things. The reason why I'm not like super depressed today, a few things, one,

00:57:50.660 because of what Delano said, I don't put my trust, my hope, my joy in politicians. Also,

00:57:57.620 this is the day that the Lord has made. Let us rejoice and be glad in it. Yes. Hebrews 13,

00:58:02.940 eight Jesus Christ to the same yesterday, today, and forever. And he's already won. So that

00:58:08.700 victory is sure one day there will be no more politics, but then also on a political level,

00:58:13.780 because of course I do care about the state of our country. I do care about the direction that we go

00:58:18.420 in. As we so often say, politics matter because policy matters because people matter. People are

00:58:24.020 affected by policies and elections and things like that. So I do care on that level. We had some great

00:58:29.720 victories last night. Like, I'm really glad that Beto O'Rourke did not win as the governor of Texas.

00:58:35.500 I'm really glad that Stacey Abrams was defeated. And man, I am really glad at the incredible victory

00:58:43.200 that governor DeSantis had. And that's not just a Republican victory. All right. We kind of expect

00:58:49.940 Kim to win. We kind of expect Abbott to win. But, and yes, of course we expected DeSantis to win.

00:58:57.960 But if we look back to 2018, when he was running against a hard left progressive, Andrew Gillum,

00:59:05.520 and he won by only 50,000 votes, people really didn't think he was going to win because Florida

00:59:11.540 was, and in some ways, I guess you could say still is like a purple state. I mean, he has transformed

00:59:21.660 the state by running on the issues that he knows that people care about and getting out front before

00:59:27.880 any other Republican governor will and say, no, you know what? We're not doing the vaccine mandates

00:59:34.120 and we're not doing the quote unquote gender confirmation surgery for kids. Yeah. We're going

00:59:40.880 to have the health department that talks about the dangers of that, that talks about the dangers of the

00:59:45.160 vaccine. We are not going to allow this gender ideology to dominate school, schools for little

00:59:51.500 children. And we're actually willing to take privileges away from the biggest corporation

00:59:55.820 in Florida who is working against good curriculum in schools and working against parental rights in

01:00:03.480 schools. He ran on that, that a lot of people thought was radical. A lot of people thought was too

01:00:09.080 far right. A lot of people thought was controversial. And he transformed the state of Florida.

01:00:13.240 Florida, not only that, has transformed much of the country because he has been so bold in that.

01:00:20.360 So I know that was a long answer, but because of all of that, like, I also feel kind of positive.

01:00:26.080 What do you think? Yeah. I mean, I think your point about Governor DeSantis is spot on. One of the

01:00:31.120 other things he did is he had, he built a solid ground game because I believe, and I may not have all the

01:00:40.000 numbers correct, but basically when he came into office, Democrats outnumbered Republicans in terms

01:00:45.420 of registered voters. And now I think they may be up by 100,000 or 200,000 Republican registered voters

01:00:51.940 versus Democrats. So it's the combination of that political infrastructure and being right on the

01:00:58.580 issues. And one of the things that I think we've gotten used to as an American public is

01:01:03.640 our leaders who don't really lead. They're weather vane leaders. Yeah. It's just they put their finger

01:01:11.960 in the wind. Exactly. They see which way it's blowing. And then they say, OK, I'll just go with

01:01:15.840 the crowd because it's safety in numbers. Yeah. But when he stood against the jab and Dr. Fauci,

01:01:20.920 he was really taking a serious political risk. And it's paid off because, unfortunately,

01:01:29.820 everybody in the country got COVID. Yeah. Whether you were jabbed or not jab, you got COVID. And the

01:01:37.160 difference is some states and some governors and some local officials kept kids out of school,

01:01:44.040 fired people from their jobs, some of whom, like the nurses and the first responders, were heroes

01:01:48.980 the year before. Yeah. And now they're villains that want to kill your grandma and your newborn.

01:01:54.640 And Governor DeSantis didn't do that. And he has he has health authorities that do not just

01:01:59.820 blindly follow Washington. And I think there's something to be respected and commended about

01:02:04.940 that type of leadership. Yeah. And he was willing to wade into the LGBTQ issue. And most Republicans

01:02:11.960 are not scared. They're so scared. I mean, one of the biggest lies that we saw was

01:02:18.820 the so-called don't say gay bill, which was literally just saying, hey, if you're a public

01:02:24.900 school teacher that teaches kindergartners through third graders and we're talking, you know, five

01:02:30.840 to nine year olds, don't teach them that they can switch their genders. Right. Don't teach them

01:02:36.520 about sex. I mean, if we even just like try to explain the need for the legislation like that to

01:02:43.220 someone from five to ten years ago, they would be like, why? Why do you even need a law like that?

01:02:48.820 But now not only do we need that law, but we actually have an entire media apparatus,

01:02:54.740 an entire political party, at least the politicians, maybe not the entire base,

01:02:59.200 saying that that's bad, that that's bad. No, actually, teachers should be able to teach five

01:03:04.420 year olds that one day they can be chemically castrated and that Jack can become Sally. Right.

01:03:09.020 And I mean, this to me, the legislation, it didn't even go as far as like what it could one day and

01:03:16.860 what it should be a lot different if you and I were writing it. Right. Yeah. We'd say no,

01:03:20.920 never, ever, ever. But I mean, it was a great piece of legislation. And I think because of its

01:03:27.620 like limitation from kindergarten through third grade, it actually showed just how radical

01:03:33.140 right. They are on this, that they are so keen, the Democrats are so keen to introduce your five

01:03:41.760 year old. I mean, a baby basically into queer theory that they are willing to malign a governor

01:03:50.000 for it. So he was willing to go into the LGBTQ issue. And I think a lot of governors, a lot of

01:03:56.480 Republicans, even if they did do something like Governor DeSantis, when they were pressured by the

01:04:01.640 press, they would say they would defend themselves by saying something like, well, you know, I'm not

01:04:06.880 anti-gay. No, I'm not homophobic or transphobic. You know, basically use their framing, Democrats

01:04:12.980 framing to defend themselves. And that's one thing I love about DeSantis is that he doesn't do this.

01:04:19.180 Right. He's like, no, I reject your premise entirely. Right. And I'm not even responding to

01:04:23.580 that accusation because you're lying. Goodbye. Right. And there is a lesson to be learned there for

01:04:29.180 Republicans. You know, when we saw after Dobbs, you had 47, I think, House Republicans sign on to

01:04:35.260 what me and my colleagues call the Disrespect for Marriage Act in Congress. It just shows how weak

01:04:41.440 they are on this issue. And I think ultimately, and it's something you talk about all the time,

01:04:45.020 and I think many Christians, particularly, you know, Bible believing Christians understand this.

01:04:52.620 Most of our issues in our political culture are not political issues. They're worldview issues.

01:04:56.960 Yeah. And one thing that the Republicans have been able to do to this point is, generally speaking,

01:05:04.180 get to the right destination, but they're not clear on their path. So I've seen, for instance,

01:05:11.680 you know, draft legislation that says something to the effect of, oh, if a school wants to,

01:05:19.380 if a child wants to transition genders in the school, the school has to notify the parents first.

01:05:24.760 And I'm like, okay, I get the parental authority piece, but we should plant our flag firmly in the

01:05:31.360 ground. Oh, yeah. Sex is determined at the point of conception and remains unchanged throughout all

01:05:36.600 of natural life. Period. Then you can start and say, if a child exhibits symptoms of gender dysphoria,

01:05:43.480 that child should have access to counseling or so on and so on and so forth. And then you get to the

01:05:47.920 last piece, which is, you know, any conversation around X, Y, and Z in the school has to be had

01:05:56.740 with the parent first. But Republicans just get to, they go straight to parental authority.

01:06:02.260 Yeah.

01:06:02.900 We want boys out of girls' sports. Okay. So let's say you get boys out of girls' sports.

01:06:08.140 What does that mean? Can the school still teach that boys can become girls?

01:06:11.880 Yeah. So I think there's an unwillingness to really fight and recapture the territory that

01:06:17.240 the left has taken. And as the left continues to move left, the right is going to continue to move

01:06:23.780 left unless there are people who are willing to say, to your point, I reject this premise. I reject

01:06:29.240 this worldview. This is what I believe. This is what I stand on. And this is why I believe it.

01:06:34.780 Yeah. And I'm curious what you think about this theory, because it's something that I've noticed

01:06:39.580 about myself. And I have started to see some people on the right do this too. So we've got

01:06:45.680 the transgenderism thing. It's gotten more absurd than I think anyone could have ever imagined when

01:06:52.180 we're talking about 12 year olds, in some cases, getting a double mastectomy, because they're

01:06:56.980 confused for a period of time about their body. I mean, I don't even think if 10 years ago, we were

01:07:03.440 trying to write a dystopian novel about like where this progressive sexual revolution would go. I don't

01:07:09.180 even think that our minds could have gone there. And yet here we are. That's something that is

01:07:13.360 happening in the United States. And it seems to me that as we've seen the absurdity of how far the

01:07:21.100 sexual revolution has gone, it has caused some some people on the conservative side, who maybe

01:07:27.060 previously didn't see a problem with a Berger fell, didn't see a problem with the whole, quote,

01:07:32.520 unquote, gay marriage thing, didn't really see a problem with the love is love. How does that affect me?

01:07:37.740 No big deal. And, you know, whatever. We'll just kind of let that one go. It's forcing them to kind

01:07:44.860 of back up and to say, OK, we got to the point to where we've got teenage boys being chemically

01:07:50.500 castrated and going on cross sex hormones. And we've got an entire political party that is pushing

01:07:58.420 that. How did we get here? Because that didn't happen in a vacuum. And I'm just wondering if that

01:08:05.960 absurdity and that extremism will actually cause people to become more conservative on the things

01:08:12.740 that they should have conserved a while ago, like marriage, because they're starting to see, oh, this

01:08:18.180 is where the sexual revolution has gone. All right. Where did this come into play? Did it come into play

01:08:23.420 when transgenderism started? No, it was before that. OK, did it come into play when a Berger fell started?

01:08:29.220 Yeah, because that's basically like saying men and women are interchangeable, too. So it's on the

01:08:34.680 same premise. Well, where did that come from? And then looking at the ideology of feminism and

01:08:39.500 looking at the sexual revolution that started all the way back in the 60s and 70s. So I'm wondering

01:08:45.020 if the radicalism of the left can actually move some people on the right to the right, because you're

01:08:52.980 kind of realizing where all of this craziness came from. It's not enough to just go back a few years.

01:08:58.300 We got to go back a lot further than that if we want to correct this. I do think there's that

01:09:02.960 potential. And I think you'll see this more on a local level first. I mean, you see groups of

01:09:09.000 parents from all across the country and now from different faiths, including, you know, Muslim parents

01:09:14.420 in Michigan who are saying we don't want our kids being taught this gender ideology nonsense. Right.

01:09:19.700 So I do think that there are people who are who may not think of themselves as conservatives,

01:09:25.120 who say the left is just going too far. They're too radical on some of these issues. And

01:09:30.940 this is where people who think like this sort of lose the plot. They think that they can say,

01:09:38.880 oh, I'm OK with gay marriage, same sex mirage, but I'm not with transgenderism. Right. I'm OK with

01:09:49.060 abortion up until 15 weeks, but not 20 weeks. And, you know, so they think that these are just

01:09:58.060 a bunch of discrete points that tend that are in, you know, sort of floating in this in this circle.

01:10:04.480 Whereas I think we would say, no, these are all points on a continuum. So you start one place and

01:10:11.920 you end up the next place. And I've been thinking about this. I think one of the downsides of moving

01:10:17.260 and this is going to seem like a completely unrelated point, but I'm gonna try to tie it in.

01:10:20.900 One of the downsides of moving from an agricultural society to a technical and industrial society

01:10:25.280 is that people forget how nature works. They forget that nature has a nature.

01:10:32.440 And when you sow, you reap, but you reap later and you reap greater. And we are reaping things that

01:10:39.560 were sown, as you said, decades ago. Like this. And I didn't even get all of it. Right. I've

01:10:46.440 often said if if the root of feminism is going to be pulled out of the country's ground, it'll be

01:10:51.740 harder to get it out of some men than some women. Because I think a lot of women understand this is

01:10:55.580 a raw deal. Right. I work 40, 45, 50 hours at on the job and then I still come home and I have

01:11:02.660 basically all the domestic responsibilities. This doesn't feel like empowerment to me. I give my

01:11:08.560 body to guys. They say that this is sexual empowering. So why is it? I'm always the one

01:11:12.980 that's crying the next night, the next morning. Right. And it's one of these things where we,

01:11:18.380 we sowed those things, um, abolishing the differences between male and female. Um, assuming

01:11:25.880 that, you know, again, marriage is just between two people. It's not even a man. And to be fair,

01:11:33.500 this didn't start with Obergefell. You know, a lot of people say this started with no fault divorce.

01:11:37.660 Exactly. We're going back further and further into things that we didn't even think about.

01:11:42.880 Like I wasn't thinking about like no fault divorce 10 years ago, but now honestly, the transgenderism

01:11:49.020 issue has made me think about those things because I am going back to where did this start and where

01:11:56.160 do we need to go to correct the course? Yeah. And, and the thing is people vote for these things and

01:12:01.480 even some Christians and I, I'll, I'll tell them myself in 2012, I was going to a totally different

01:12:07.880 type of church. I didn't use terms like biblical worldview. Yeah. I voted when the state of Maryland

01:12:13.520 had, you know, a referendum on so-called same sex marriage. I voted for it because I thought,

01:12:18.860 well, it's just two adults. It's private matter. If, if a man and a woman can get married, why can't,

01:12:24.560 you know, a man and a man or a woman or a woman, what's, what's the difference? Yeah. Why is the

01:12:28.020 government involved? I was ignorant. Yeah. And even, even though I was going to church and I

01:12:32.760 would call myself a Christian, I didn't have a biblical worldview. Yeah. And I think a lot of

01:12:37.820 believers suffer from that. Yeah. They operate as if their faith is one room in a larger house

01:12:45.360 that they own. Yeah. They only go into that room on Sundays, maybe on Wednesday if they go to Bible

01:12:50.320 study. But other than that, their finances are in a different room, how they approach politics in a

01:12:56.260 different room, how they approach relationships is in a different room. And I think as I, as I

01:13:01.880 matured in my faith, it's just like, no, God owns this house. Yeah. All of it. Yep. So everything

01:13:08.120 I engage in, whether it's relationships and, and, you know, finances and politics, I have to filter

01:13:13.560 through that biblical lens. And, and if you don't have that, unless, unless it's possible to not have

01:13:20.200 that and still stay firm, but that's extremely difficult. Yeah. Because there are very few things

01:13:25.360 that any person, particularly on the left believes now that they won't abandon in four years if the

01:13:30.540 majority of, of the population moves in a different direction. Yeah. Or even just that, like very

01:13:36.620 powerful minority of people that kind of emotionally extorts you into agreeing with them.

01:13:42.820 We'll get back into the election in just a second, but going off of what you said about this

01:13:59.000 biblical worldview, that is something that I've, another change or another shift that I have had

01:14:04.960 in my own life over the past few years. Again, just this, like the craziness of our culture,

01:14:10.600 making me go back further and further to think about like, what do I need to uproot in my own mind

01:14:16.740 that led me a few years ago, I would have said that, well, yeah, I'm pro-life, but you know,

01:14:24.380 in cases of rape and incest, I'm okay with that. I probably wouldn't have made a stand against what

01:14:31.360 you called legal same-sex mirage. Um, I, I, I, I just, I wouldn't have either because I would have

01:14:38.180 had the same kind of mentality or I would have at least been scared, um, to say anything about it.

01:14:46.060 But I've really, I mean, partly because of my job had to really think about why I believe what I

01:14:52.260 believe. And I've just realized that everything really does go back to Genesis one. And on those

01:14:59.460 issues, like, I'm very thankful. I had Christians in my audience who, when I would say these things,

01:15:04.780 like I said something about being for abortion exceptions a few years ago, and someone in my

01:15:09.280 audience just kind of kindly called me out and was like, you know, why should we discriminate

01:15:12.880 against people because of the circumstances surrounding their conception? And I was like,

01:15:17.460 whoa. So you never, I mean, you really never know what questions you ask to someone that makes them

01:15:24.900 change their mind. But anyway, it's just made me realize, cause I also used to be someone who said,

01:15:29.700 you know what? You don't need to bring religion into the conversation when you're talking about gender or

01:15:34.380 when you're talking about abortion and you don't always have to, but I kind of probably would have

01:15:39.980 said, well, I can explain my position on abortion from a purely secular standpoint or gender. And you

01:15:47.060 can, but at the end of the day, it's really not enough. What you are appealing to when you try to

01:15:55.300 convince someone without like citing the word of God, Hey, we shouldn't abort people because killing

01:16:00.880 human beings is bad. And people in the womb are human beings. Most people, Christian or not in

01:16:06.780 the United States would agree that it's bad to kill human beings. When you say, Hey, I don't think

01:16:14.200 that we should be chopping off the genitalia of, you know, of people in general, but especially kids,

01:16:20.600 because they can't really consent to that. You are appealing to an assumption that a lot of

01:16:25.780 Americans have that human beings matter and that children are protected class. The unspoken premise

01:16:34.560 though, in that argument is that people are made in the image of God. Right. And even if someone,

01:16:41.420 a secular person in the United States would not explicitly say, yes, people are made in the image

01:16:46.060 of God. Every conversation that we have about human rights, every conversation that we have about

01:16:51.680 morality is based on that unspoken premise in the West. If you do not have a God who gave you

01:16:59.780 inalienable rights and that the government should not and cannot take away because the government did

01:17:06.100 not give us those rights. Then that is the only thing that really makes the abortion debate make sense.

01:17:13.400 That's really the only thing that makes the gender and genital mutilation debate makes sense from our

01:17:20.640 perspective because science can tell you when life begins. Science cannot tell you why that life

01:17:26.580 matters. Science can tell you that we are, that we are sexually dimorphic beings. Science cannot tell

01:17:35.500 you why that reality matters more than a person's feelings. The only thing that can tell us that the only

01:17:45.660 thing that can tell us why the life matters when life begins, why feelings do not trump biology,

01:17:51.320 is that someone created us that way. There is a God who created us, who defined us, who says what we are.

01:18:02.280 There is an authority that tells us those things. Outside of that, when we're talking about human value and human

01:18:11.580 rights and right and wrong and morality and like the, the evil of like violence and things like that,

01:18:18.540 people don't realize we are all operating under the assumption that human beings are not clumps of

01:18:26.280 cells. Yeah. Yeah. That we are made in the image of God. So I've actually found that, yes, I will go back

01:18:33.320 to theology. I will go back to the Bible. And I actually find it very illogical and irrational

01:18:40.680 to not go back to the Bible. When you're defending the definition of marriage, when you're defending

01:18:46.440 the value of life, when you're defending the reality and the importance of, you know, gender

01:18:53.380 biology, you really have to, you really have to. Science and logic and philosophy can only get you so far.

01:19:01.800 Far. Yeah. And, and I think what is being exposed is that for the better part of certainly this

01:19:10.040 country's history, um, we all had an assumed foundation to your point and you never had to

01:19:17.300 argue it because it was just assumed. I've, I've said this to people before, like when I was in high

01:19:23.520 school and I was taking, I can't remember whatever math class I was taking, it was algebra or trigonometry,

01:19:28.180 whatever it is. And there's certain times where you, you, you're using a theorem, um, to solve a

01:19:33.840 particular problem. And at that age, the teacher would always say, don't worry about trying to

01:19:38.840 understand the theorem, just use it. When you get to a different stage, when you get to calculus one

01:19:43.940 or calculus two, then it'll be explained to you. And we have been using sort of, um, you know,

01:19:52.100 building arguments on that biblical worldview, on that framework that says that the designer is the

01:19:58.680 definer. Like we are created beings with inherent worth and value. And all of our arguments prior,

01:20:05.080 again, to a couple of years ago, were built on that assumption. And you never had to, you didn't

01:20:09.420 have to ask, well, why do you think only women can have babies? Like why? But now you do.

01:20:15.840 Yeah. Um, and what happens, you know, the, the foundations of our entire structure have been

01:20:22.180 shaken and some people are seeing their way through it. I think for people like you and I, it's, it is

01:20:27.960 the last five years have been so clarifying for me. And as the world has grown darker, I see my faith

01:20:36.780 shining brighter and I'm, I'm bolder. Um, I'm, I'm more willing to, to bring the Bible into arguments.

01:20:44.020 I would, when I was, when I was writing for the root and the griot, that probably wasn't going to

01:20:48.580 happen. I may, I may reference faith in a general sense, but in terms of the foundation of an argument

01:20:55.620 that I was making, that probably wasn't going to happen. So I think as, as things have continued

01:21:01.240 to crumble around us, like you remember the, a few months ago, the college professor, you know,

01:21:06.200 she was in a congressional hearing and she was going back and forth with Senator Hawley. And she said,

01:21:10.220 well, do you believe that men can get pregnant? And she was all smug. And he was like, no, no,

01:21:15.160 I don't. Oh, you, you don't. Oh, what kind of person are you? And I was just like, how did we

01:21:19.940 get to this place where she thinks she has the upper hand in this, in this particular argument?

01:21:24.100 She was saying, she was like, it was to Josh Hawley. And she was like, so you're saying that

01:21:28.160 trans men don't exist because trans men is like, it's a woman who identifies as a man who

01:21:33.900 still has a uterus and can have a child. And he, he was saying, I think his response,

01:21:40.560 either he avoided it or he was like, no, that's not what I'm saying. And this is what you were

01:21:45.760 talking about earlier about like, okay, the GOP needs to anchor themselves on reality and not play

01:21:52.280 their games. No, the answer to that question is yes. The answer to that question is yes. Yeah. No,

01:21:56.960 I don't believe that they exist because what is a trans man or a trans woman? No, I believe that

01:22:02.220 there are men, there are women that's determined at conception. Of course, that's, that's what I

01:22:06.480 believe. And so I think, again, that's just the GOP. Like they're, they allow them, I'm not saying

01:22:13.600 Josh Hawley, but I'm just saying some Republicans in general, just kind of like allow themselves to

01:22:18.620 be manipulated by the language games of the left when really you kind of need to call their bluff

01:22:23.060 because what they're doing is they're saying they're trying to bait you by saying, are you really

01:22:29.340 going to admit that you're this horrible of a person? And I'm like, really what I want to say,

01:22:34.460 and this is what I think DeSantis does well. I don't care about your definition of horrible.

01:22:38.600 I've seen what you applaud. I don't care if you boo me. I hope that you do. In fact, if you crazy

01:22:44.720 person are cheering me on, I got to reevaluate everything about my life. Yeah. I'll give an

01:22:50.460 example. Right. And you're right. In terms of characterizing conservatives, I wish some of them

01:22:54.800 would just pull the mic closer and say, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Right. Exactly.

01:22:58.900 Men cannot have babies. But I was watching something on BT the other night. It was Vice

01:23:03.620 President Harris. She was at Howard University. I live in Maryland. So, you know, I work close

01:23:08.420 to Howard and it was a town hall on quote unquote reproductive rights. Because again, if there's

01:23:14.920 two things that the left wants is terms and territory, they want the dictionary and they

01:23:19.140 want the institution. So everything is a euphemism. So reproductive rights.

01:23:22.100 And 90% women in the crowd, a few smattering, you know, smattering of guys. And at one point,

01:23:30.340 as is always the case, the conversation turns to, well, what role should men play in this?

01:23:35.700 How can they be better allies? And I tweeted about it. And I said, like, she wants guys to,

01:23:42.840 to, to know why they should be on board with, you know, killing their own offspring, so on and so forth.

01:23:47.780 And a professor of Africana studies at Howard University responded to me and he said something

01:23:56.180 to the effect of, so are you saying that when a woman is impregnated and I'm just like, see,

01:24:02.220 we starting off on the wrong foot, doc. I don't speak like this. I don't speak in passive language

01:24:06.660 and, and you know, that she doesn't, that she does not, not have a right to, to decide what to do

01:24:14.320 with her pregnancy. And I was just like, what is he talking about? But, but a big part of it

01:24:18.680 is there are people who have a lot of education who think that they are God, that they can define

01:24:27.180 reality ex nihilo. They think that their words sort of determine our reality. And it's one of these

01:24:34.080 things where, um, I, I see that type of thing. And, and my response to him was very, very simple.

01:24:42.640 And let me, let me see if I, if, if I have it. Um, he said, uh, I'm sorry, I should, I should have

01:24:52.240 pulled up. Um, but that's okay. If you, if you get it, you can. Yeah. He said, just on clear,

01:24:57.640 you, you support making sure that after being impregnated, a woman doesn't have a right not to

01:25:04.020 be pregnant. Yes. Because to be clear, that's what we're talking about here. And I said, I believe

01:25:10.060 intentionally ending the life of a child is wrong, regardless of the manner of conception or stage of

01:25:14.720 development. I don't know what right not to be pregnant means. If you're saying a woman has a

01:25:19.960 right to kill her baby, I'd appreciate it if you said so clearly. Yeah. That's always my response.

01:25:24.780 So funny how I noticed that when a lot of politicians, activists, professors, academics,

01:25:30.680 but just progressives in general, typically when they say to be clear, they are speaking in the

01:25:36.280 most unclear terms. Like they will be like, to be clear, you are not, not saying that men who identify

01:25:44.120 as trans femme have a right to not be pregnant. Like, what are you even saying? They'll say to be

01:25:53.460 clear or they'll say something totally ridiculous that is very open ended. And at the end, they'll

01:25:57.640 say full stop. I'm like, actually, like I have a response to that. So let's talk a little bit

01:26:03.500 about these, speaking about abortion. And then I want to talk a little bit about Georgia and Stacey

01:26:08.080 Abrams. But so abortion propositions or abortion proposals in the state of Michigan, in the state of

01:26:16.040 Kentucky, and then also in the state of California. In the in the state of Michigan, it was proposal

01:26:25.100 three, basically guaranteeing constituents in the state of Michigan would have a right to there's

01:26:32.260 this euphemism again, reproductive freedom. So the state basically is allowing through all nine months

01:26:42.300 for any reason, women to be able to abort their children, they're making sure that it is a right

01:26:48.820 that basically cannot be infringed upon in any way. And also, there are some implications about like,

01:26:59.580 apparently, how minors are able to use this right to receive different kinds of gender,

01:27:07.060 quote unquote, treatments. And so there are going to be a lot of implications to this,

01:27:12.120 all of them destruction. And that passed in Michigan, 55%, where also Gretchen Whitmer won

01:27:20.360 her reelection campaign. I mean, we are talking about the woman who made it illegal for a period of

01:27:25.680 time during COVID, for people to buy their own seeds to be able to plant their gardens. She won

01:27:32.500 reelection. So that's a little bit troubling in the state of Michigan. And I mean,

01:27:36.940 really troubling in the state of Michigan. And then we got in Kentucky, the constitutional amendment

01:27:42.040 to no right to abortion. So this was an amendment in Kentucky saying, there's no constitutional right

01:27:48.880 to abortion, protecting the life of unborn children, which of course, is righteous. That did not pass.

01:27:54.940 The margin was a little slimmer. 52% said no. 47% said yes. So again, another tragedy. And then,

01:28:02.900 of course, in the state of California, where we are not surprised at all, it's completely gone to

01:28:08.620 degeneracy. Prop one, which again, like Michigan guaranteed this right to reproductive freedom.

01:28:18.520 And we know because Gavin Newsom has said this, that California has become in the most dystopian,

01:28:25.260 subversive sense, a sanctuary state, not just for things like abortion, but also minors who want

01:28:31.280 surgery and who want procedures to attempt to do the impossible. And that has changed their gender.

01:28:36.740 Something that I've written about, maybe you wrote about it too. John MacArthur wrote to Gavin Newsom

01:28:42.640 about this. He put out those billboards to women in red states saying, hey, you can come here and

01:28:49.460 abort your baby and used a Bible verse, love your neighbor as yourself to, in order to do that.

01:28:57.760 I mean, talk about like a hard heart, talk about like God giving someone over to the absolute depravity

01:29:07.720 of their mind. And so like this, I know we don't want to get like depressed today, but it's really

01:29:16.080 difficult for me to understand, especially people who profess to be Christians. They look at propositions

01:29:23.140 and proposals like this. They vote for the unfettered right to dismember and to poison, to brutally murder

01:29:30.720 image bearers inside the womb. And like, I don't know what more we as pro-lifers can do to show people

01:29:40.640 how disgusting this is. We're already showing up at the pregnancy centers every day. We're already trying

01:29:46.780 to give all of our time, energy and resources to parents who are in crisis to help them carry their

01:29:53.100 baby. We are already trying to show people what abortion is. And still we have people who are just

01:29:59.460 completely given over. I mean, how does this happen?

01:30:03.740 How it happens? I think to piggyback on a phrase coined by Andrew Breitbart, who said that politics is

01:30:11.700 downstream from culture. Yeah. But I think that culture is downstream from worship or from religion.

01:30:18.940 From, yeah, religion. So I think the culture you get is reflective of the dominant belief system

01:30:26.560 among a particular people. The dominant theology. Right. So when you see people vote for these

01:30:31.860 things, you should assume one of two things. One, some are ignorant and don't know. And small eye

01:30:37.560 ignorant. I'm not saying, oh, they're stupid. They just don't know. Yeah. They're voting on things or

01:30:40.920 they're voting for candidates and they just don't know. But the second one is that their vote is a

01:30:47.800 reflection of their values. And it's unfortunate. But I think, again, starting from, you know, the

01:30:53.900 second wave feminism on, the notion that a child has rights, that life has inherent worth, not

01:31:03.740 conditional worth, is one that many Americans functionally do not believe. Now, a lot of people

01:31:08.700 try to split the difference and say, well, I'm personally pro-life, but I don't think the

01:31:12.260 government should regulate. And that's nonsense because part of what the government does is

01:31:16.120 regulate under what circumstances one person can take the life of another person. Yeah. You can't

01:31:21.100 do it if it's murder. You can do it if it's self-defense. And that's part of what a government

01:31:24.740 is supposed to do. But I think one way that the pro-life movement can show people, and that's the word you

01:31:33.580 use, is actually to show people. And this would be, it would be stomach-turning. It wouldn't be

01:31:42.140 pleasant. But I've written before, and one of them, I write twice a week for The Blaze now, so I've

01:31:49.400 forgotten more things than I've actually written. But I liken what pro-lifers are doing now to a

01:31:58.180 second abolitionist movement. And one of the things that shocked the conscience, I think, then is

01:32:04.540 certainly now, as it relates to the first abolitionist movement, is seeing the destruction that slavery

01:32:11.260 wrought. There's an image, I don't know what the man's name is, but a lot of people have seen his

01:32:16.340 image. It's a black and white image. A man is, he's backing the camera. Yes, I know what you're

01:32:20.460 talking about. And his back is just, has just been ripped apart by lashings and whippings. If people

01:32:26.900 were to see what, you know, a dismembered baby looked like, again, it's not something that we

01:32:33.900 want to see. Yeah. And it would probably be, you know, tear-inducing. But that's the only way for

01:32:39.980 people to get what we're talking about. And I know that this can be effective because I remember,

01:32:47.960 you know, when I was a freshman many moons ago on college campus, you know, you'll have different

01:32:51.940 groups that come around and they'll table and say, you know, join the, you know, college robotics

01:32:56.460 club. And the college vegans were showing videos of how the chicken gets from the farm

01:33:03.500 to your table. Yeah. And that's, and that's one of the ways that vegans try to recruit people.

01:33:08.960 So I said, look, do you see how brutal, you know, it is, you know, for pigs and cows and for you to eat

01:33:15.240 meat. And I think if people really saw what an abortion is and what it does, they wouldn't be

01:33:23.000 able to hide behind the euphemisms because right now that's exactly what we do. And going back to

01:33:27.720 the example I gave, that professor that I talked about, who was a professor of Africana studies,

01:33:33.260 he once went on a different show. Um, and he liked it after Texas passed their abortion,

01:33:40.480 uh, bill, I think it was after six, the ban after six weeks, he likened black women who left Texas

01:33:47.040 for other States to get abortions to, um, Harriet Tubman and the underground railroad. Yeah. This is,

01:33:54.800 this is how sick and depraved some of these people are. Right. And, and I know this is one of these

01:33:59.900 things. And because generally speaking, you know, black Americans vote 90% for Democrats, um, where the

01:34:06.560 party goes, generally speaking, the black community is not far behind. Um, I, I do not understand

01:34:15.040 why there aren't more black folk and there's a growing contingent. Trust me. We'll take a step

01:34:20.840 back and say, why is it all, all of the pro-black organizations, the NAACP, the urban league, um,

01:34:26.560 the national action network and so on and so forth. Why are all these organizations so rapidly pro

01:34:31.560 abortion? Anything else that has a disproportionate impact on black people on, you know, black lives

01:34:39.900 and the black body, as they like to say, or any organization that has a history of racism,

01:34:44.600 particularly with a racist founder, they don't want anything to do, do with except Planned Parenthood

01:34:49.700 except when it comes to abortion. So it's, it is baffling to me. Um, and I think part of

01:34:56.140 why this is, and this is across the board is when the family disintegrates, when fathers are not in

01:35:03.880 their rightful place, um, other institutions fill that vacuum. Um, and, and I think if, if we want

01:35:11.520 to, you know, so to speak, take the country back, that's going to mean a revival, particularly in the

01:35:19.700 church and a revival in the family. And that is something that no politician can give you. Um,

01:35:26.900 because again, at bet, you, you know, the left is not, they don't talk about marriage and nuclear

01:35:30.880 family at all. That's not a part of their platform. And the right is very squishy and they may,

01:35:37.480 they may agree with us. You know, dads are important. Marriage is important. Sure. And then

01:35:42.000 two minutes later, they're signing some bill to legalize commercial surrogacy or some craziness

01:35:46.300 like that. So I, they're not going to give it to us. This is something that again, we have to

01:35:52.560 address worship, our faith, our, our, our religious life, and then hopefully see that downstream impact

01:36:00.420 on the culture and then on the people that we elect to represent us. Yeah. And by the way,

01:36:05.720 because I hear this argument from black activists, you know, Kamala Harris, Stacey Abrams saying that

01:36:12.800 it's, um, it's a matter of equality for black women. It's a matter of economic opportunity for

01:36:19.080 them to be able to have access to abortion. Therefore it's racist to be against abortion.

01:36:24.360 Look, if abortion was helpful to the black community, it would have helped. Uh, the disparities

01:36:31.300 are still there. They're not closing. Uh, fatherlessness is still a problem. Um, heavy and disproportionate

01:36:39.420 crime is still a problem. The economic disparities, still a problem. And the abortion rate has been

01:36:45.960 disproportionately high among black women for decades now. So if abortion was accomplishing,

01:36:53.360 not saying that it would be justified, even if it did, but if abortion was accomplishing all the

01:36:58.080 things that Stacey Abrams and those people said that it was going to accomplish for like the liberation

01:37:02.900 and equality and prosperity of black people, it would have done it a long time ago. All you're doing

01:37:07.800 is decimating your community and you're doing it in the name of love and justice. It's hard. It's hard

01:37:14.800 to understand how people don't see that it's the exact opposite. And you were talking about that

01:37:18.760 professor. And I was just thinking like, yes, we do show, we do show the brutality of abortion. I,

01:37:25.340 I absolutely think like when I get emails from people saying, wow, I became pro-life, like listening

01:37:31.160 to this episode, it is always the episode in which, yes, of course, I'm trying to use logic to get

01:37:37.500 people to say like, see, you're against murder of other humans. Why are you against murder of this

01:37:42.680 human? Just because she's small. That's a really arbitrary standard. But also when I describe what

01:37:48.040 an abortion is, when I use abortionist words like Leroy Carhart to explain what the procedure is,

01:37:54.500 exactly what it does simply from an objective, factual, scientific perspective,

01:38:00.300 people say, wow, I did not know, or I did not want to know. That's the thing. But then, okay,

01:38:10.160 there's this other group, an increasing group of people who know. NPR, Delano, played a few days

01:38:19.700 before the election. This is how.

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