Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 722 ｜ The Death of Democracy & the Birth of Twitter 2.0

00:00:00.000 Is democracy a good thing? What about immigration? What about small government?

00:00:05.700 These are things that you might, as a conservative, think you already have the answer to, but our

00:00:10.460 guest today, Oren McIntyre, is going to make us think a little bit more deeply about them.

00:00:16.200 We will also be talking about the Twitter files and Brittany Griner and why he thinks that at

00:00:22.620 the end of the day, a lot of people in power simply want to prey upon children. We have a very

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00:02:01.900 That's goodranchers.com slash Allie. Now, here is our new friend, Oren McIntyre.

00:02:07.080 Oren, thanks so much for joining. Can you tell everyone who you are and what you do, those who

00:02:21.040 might not know? Oh, absolutely. No. Thank you for having me. My name is Oren McIntyre. I just got

00:02:27.160 added to the blaze. I'm going to be writing articles for the website and doing a podcast show and

00:02:31.740 everything like that. A couple years ago, with everything that was happening with COVID, I really

00:02:38.460 started asking myself what was going on with politics, why the Constitution and different

00:02:43.120 things that were supposed to protect my rights weren't working. And so the more I wanted to

00:02:47.260 learn about it, I wanted to kind of tell people about it as I was looking into it, reading different

00:02:51.960 thinkers, that kind of thing. And I started making a YouTube channel about it, started a Twitter account,

00:02:56.680 things kind of built up from there. And here I am. Okay, so that's how you got involved in

00:03:01.940 political commentating. It was just a couple years ago during COVID. Yeah, I mean, I had, you know,

00:03:07.820 studied politics in college, and I worked in politics for a little bit. And I was a local

00:03:13.000 political journalist, I covered crime and politics for a local newspaper. So I'd been around the subject

00:03:18.800 for a long time. But when I saw everything that was happening with the COVID lockdowns, you know,

00:03:24.320 I just had that very standard talk radio Republican mentality, you know, the Constitution is going to

00:03:29.260 protect my rights, you know, the government's got checks and balances, all this stuff is, you know,

00:03:33.720 kind of set in stone for me, you know, and then see everything that's going on. I said, Okay,

00:03:37.980 none of this works the way I was taught. Yeah. And so.

00:03:41.500 Okay, so you do you consider yourself or did you consider yourself then a conservative? Is that how you

00:03:47.560 would have described yourself?

00:03:49.040 Yeah, absolutely. It would have been just a standard issue conservative, you know, listening to Rush,

00:03:53.140 listening to Dennis Prager, listening to all these people that I think a lot of people grew up

00:03:58.840 listening to if they're kind of Republican. And then, like I said, the more I learned about it,

00:04:03.840 the more I said, Okay, we're not really conserving things anymore. We've kind of lost a lot of the

00:04:09.080 stuff. And we need to look in a different direction, because we really need to reestablish in

00:04:13.820 many ways, a lot of these principles that are no longer kind of governing our society.

00:04:18.140 I did not know that as recently as a couple years ago, you kind of described yourself as just a kind

00:04:24.380 of typical Rush Limbaugh conservative Republican, because that's not how I would describe you today.

00:04:29.980 Is that how you would describe yourself?

00:04:31.960 Yeah, no, today, it definitely would not be the case. Like you said, now that I've kind of better

00:04:36.320 understood and looked into the nature of politics, political power, exploring political theory,

00:04:41.900 applying it to what we see now. I don't think that kind of that model works. I still have

00:04:47.240 many of those values, of course, right? The question is not, you know, I still think that

00:04:51.800 it's very important for America to have a Christian background in its laws and in its culture. I think

00:04:57.560 it's very important for us to maybe look at things, though, that conservatives wouldn't normally think

00:05:02.580 of if we are serious about having a family culture about caring for children passing things out in the

00:05:08.640 next generation. Maybe we need to take steps that wouldn't be thought of as traditionally small

00:05:13.360 government conservative to kind of support those things. So I think orienting ourselves on where

00:05:18.260 we want to be and where we want our culture to be will bring us to maybe different conclusions than

00:05:22.540 kind of the standard issue conservative talking points that we've kind of had over the years.

00:05:27.940 Yeah. And I do want to get into some of this news, the Twitter files, Brittany Greiner and things

00:05:32.220 like that. But I do want to dig deeper into this. And I think this is why I kind of started

00:05:37.540 following you because you talk differently, I would say, than most conservatives do using power

00:05:45.440 in a way that I think conservatives are traditionally uncomfortable with. All of the power that is

00:05:50.300 available to you to kind of enact the policies that bring on the ends that you want. Can you give me

00:05:57.440 some examples of that? Like, what do you mean by steps that conservatives should take that historically

00:06:06.380 we haven't been willing to?

00:06:08.360 Well, conservatism has generally been the party of small government in theory, at least, right? Like,

00:06:13.720 that's what we always hear. You have to, you shouldn't pursue power, you want to shrink the

00:06:17.780 size of the government, you don't want to wield that, because at some point, it's going to be wielded

00:06:21.320 against you. These are kind of the constant things we're told that are going to keep the government

00:06:25.180 in check and keep it from kind of infringing on our rights. But I think what we can see time and time

00:06:29.840 again is as conservatives with kind of this quasi-libertarian backing, you know, have this

00:06:35.760 this approach to power, the left steps into that void, right? And they're constantly advancing their

00:06:41.080 agenda. And then when Republicans enter power, they're at best kind of freezing the agenda in

00:06:46.400 place until liberals step back in and start, you know, moving the ratchet that direction one more time.

00:06:52.080 And so I think one thing that conservatives really have to understand is you, there's always going to be

00:06:59.920 an authority, there's always going to be a government. And if you do not take active steps to make sure that

00:07:06.240 your values are the ones governing the decisions being made in that government, then someone else's values

00:07:12.880 will fill that void. And I think a lot of people recognize that now, right? The idea that wokeness is

00:07:17.320 religion has really kind of grabbed a lot of people because it's got a lot of explanatory power.

00:07:21.900 It shows us that that void that is left when kind of a Christian values are removed from the

00:07:28.640 marketplace, something fills it, doesn't? We don't just get this neutral marketplace of ideas.

00:07:34.240 Right. I noticed that especially a lot of Christians kind of buy into the emotional manipulation that

00:07:40.840 they hear on the left, that, you know, it's okay for you to believe what you believe, but just don't

00:07:46.140 bring it into the public square. Don't allow it to influence how you teach or how you vote.

00:07:51.900 Or if you are in any position of power, how you legislate, but they don't treat their own

00:07:56.960 worldview that way. It's only Christian conservatives who have to check their worldview at the door

00:08:01.240 before we engage publicly, before we sell a cake or, you know, design a website.

00:08:07.340 And I've seen a lot of Christians kind of buy into that, that they have started to kind of

00:08:11.800 separate their values, or maybe just conservatives, separate their moral values from how they vote or

00:08:18.300 how they think about policy, which is why I think you've got Republicans that may even say that they are

00:08:23.820 for traditional marriage, voting for the so-called Respect for Marriage Act. Why do you think that tactic

00:08:30.740 has kind of been so successful on people on the right? The manipulation to say you and you alone have

00:08:38.880 to separate your moral worldview from how you engage publicly. As you just said, the left doesn't do

00:08:45.160 that at all. They allow their pseudo religion to infiltrate everything that they do.

00:08:50.220 Well, I think it's because in many ways, progressivism is kind of a super predator

00:08:55.200 religion when it comes to kind of our classically liberal society. So one of the things that we're

00:09:01.040 inculcated with is this idea of separation of church and state, right? And there's a value of some

00:09:07.000 telling the state that they can't tell the church what to teach, and we don't want church officials

00:09:12.140 to be directly governing us, perhaps. But we have expounded that and perverted it to a level saying

00:09:19.240 that no religious morals, no religious ideas, no religious values can in any way inform your

00:09:25.700 political positions. And then what we do is we say, but Christianity is, you know, or Judaism or Islam

00:09:32.100 or whatever is a religion, but progressivism is not. And so because progressivism isn't,

00:09:38.240 it has a competitive advantage in the marketplace because you can't teach Christianity in the school,

00:09:42.520 but you can teach progressivism because it doesn't trigger the separation of church and state

00:09:47.200 issue, right? And so progressivism is always able to be pushed in a school, it's be able to push in

00:09:52.220 your workplace, it's able to be pushed through different government agencies and policies, because

00:09:56.620 technically it's not a religion and your values are. And so I think a lot of Christians want to

00:10:02.760 have this fair play mentality, right? Like, well, we all agree to this and I understand this is how

00:10:07.780 the system operates. And so I'm, you know, I'll still be a good Christian at home, but I don't want

00:10:12.540 to enforce, I don't want to, you know, I want people to be one through good arguments or love for,

00:10:17.400 you know, going, you know, hearing good servant or reading the Bible. I don't want them to be forced

00:10:21.540 by the government, which again is perfectly reasonable, but we don't, that's not the same thing as

00:10:25.940 having your values in or inform your political positions. Because again, the government will

00:10:30.440 make decisions, they will enforce policies. And if it's not your values informing the way that they

00:10:36.580 do that, it's going to be something else. And we know exactly what it is now. It's this progressivism

00:10:41.000 that is, you know, seeped into everything. Yeah. And where do you think the line is between

00:10:46.980 Christians allowing their worldview to influence how we vote, what kind of laws we like, things like

00:10:54.920 that, and some kind of theocratic rule? Because I do want my worldview, my view about marriage,

00:11:02.360 my view about kids, my view about when life begins, all of these things I think have a lot

00:11:06.520 of practical benefit too. But for me, they're rooted in my faith. I do want those things to influence

00:11:12.520 policy, but I don't want all of my values to influence policy. I don't want a law to force people

00:11:19.140 to go to church or to force people to read the Bible. So where do you think kind of the line is

00:11:25.280 on that? Obviously, I don't want all of ancient Israel's laws to be enacted in America today.

00:11:31.740 Well, I think all politics is ultimately theological in nature.

00:11:35.760 Yes, totally agree.

00:11:36.720 And so that means that there's really no way to separate your values from what they inform. But

00:11:42.040 what I do think there can be as a limitation is respect for social spheres, right? So the government,

00:11:49.240 there are certain things that it should talk about, certain things, policies, things that it will set,

00:11:53.960 right? But there should also be places where the government doesn't invade. The government shouldn't

00:11:58.040 tell my church what it's preaching. And the government shouldn't tell parents that they have

00:12:03.000 to raise their children to have puberty blockers or something like that, right? There should be limits to

00:12:10.100 the government's ability to step into different social spheres, and they should be respected by

00:12:14.080 the government. So I don't think you can really draw a limit between where your faith is going to

00:12:19.840 morally inform the government. But I think you can have a practical understanding of, you know,

00:12:24.160 it used to be that these things were kind of natural, because the government didn't have the

00:12:28.000 power necessary to do this stuff, right? When the government, when you didn't have the level of

00:12:32.640 complicated and vast bureaucracy that allowed people to reach into every aspect of your life,

00:12:37.580 the government can only make so many decisions in those spheres. But today, with the power of,

00:12:43.780 you know, things like social media, the ability to just blast things through propaganda, through

00:12:47.660 things like television, internet, news sources, media, all this kind of thing, and the level of

00:12:53.240 infiltration that the government has through, say, corporations in HR departments or schools,

00:12:59.780 because of all that stuff, the government has the ability and the infrastructure to reach in.

00:13:04.400 And once it has that ability, it will, right?

00:13:08.240 Yeah. So now that the government has that ability, what are some ways that you think that

00:13:15.740 Republicans should use that ability to shift things for the better?

00:13:20.400 Well, and that's the really difficult question, right? Can the Leviathan be turned to good,

00:13:25.320 right? And this is a very difficult question to answer, because I think in some ways, the answer

00:13:30.400 is, yes, you can inform your decisions in a way that is pro-family, that communicates Christian

00:13:40.620 values, that carries those forward. There are decisions you can make to change that. You don't

00:13:45.960 have to allow children to be taught certain things in school. You don't have to treat these things as

00:13:52.000 equally valuable ideas, because they aren't. But at the same time, there is a certain level of danger,

00:13:57.860 again, in letting the government seek that power constantly, right? Because again, I don't want

00:14:04.560 to say that limited government is the answer in the sense that you should never use the power of

00:14:09.580 government to further your values. But I do think there's a certain amount of healthy localism and a

00:14:16.480 respect for the standards and the culture and the tradition of communities that needs to come back

00:14:23.880 into place, right? So that this isn't constantly a battle, where whoever holds the control over the

00:14:30.600 central apparatus immediately gets to shove their worldview down. And there's just this basically

00:14:35.440 like cold civil war over who controls this mind control device that just rules over everybody in

00:14:41.100 the country, right? Like, that infrastructure is very dangerous in a way. But we also at the same time

00:14:46.460 have to have a realistic understanding of that it is going to be there for the moment. And while it is,

00:14:51.540 you can't just ignore it and say, well, we won't use it. And the other team's allowed to use it,

00:14:55.400 because we're principled.

00:15:07.520 And it's not even really a battle between small government and big government right now. It is,

00:15:12.680 as you said, theoretically, as Republicans have said, oh, we want small government,

00:15:16.580 but they're not actually fighting that battle. Republicans aren't necessarily voting for small

00:15:21.160 government, but not in a good way, not in the way that you're talking about using the power that's

00:15:25.840 available to them to enact good. What I mean by that is that they are voting for things that typically

00:15:30.640 the left likes, too, like sending billions of dollars to Ukraine and things like that. And so

00:15:36.500 like, libertarians can talk all they want to, no, no, no, no, like, we can't use power. It's small

00:15:42.240 government versus big government. But who do we really have on our side who is fighting really

00:15:47.060 for totally small or limited government? It's not even happening. So as you said, while the power is

00:15:54.360 there, while this is the system that we have, we should use the system to enact good things, right?

00:16:00.320 Because you have talked about, I've seen you tweet, however things change, if things ever change for the

00:16:05.660 better, it's going to have to be top down, not ground up. Do you still believe that?

00:16:09.580 Yeah. So I think what a lot of people have difficulty with is we want because kind of in

00:16:16.300 America, we have the idea of popular sovereignty, and the people are going to inform what the

00:16:20.580 government's going to do and how it's going to change things. We kind of have this idea of this

00:16:25.520 populist mindset that we're going to change like enough people. And once we just, you know, tip the

00:16:29.760 scales a little bit with popular opinion, then everything's going to kind of the dominoes will fall

00:16:34.300 and everything will go back to the 1990s or the 1950s or kind of whatever period you want to look at.

00:16:39.580 But what we need to understand is that every society, even one that kind of had that has

00:16:45.280 this democratic aspect is always run by elites, and elites are always going to shape your culture.

00:16:51.860 And therefore, they are going to shape your voting patterns. This is this is guided popular

00:16:56.600 sovereignty. People on the left, like Walter Littman, were talking about the importance of it

00:17:01.740 back in 1922. So this is not some new idea. This is something that since the beginning of mass

00:17:06.440 communication has been understood as a valuable tool for politicians to kind of manipulate public

00:17:12.160 opinion. And so that's why, for instance, the capture of something like Twitter by Elon Musk is

00:17:18.240 so important, because the left has been used to having this hegemonic control over kind of our consensus

00:17:24.580 manufacturing apparatus in the United States. And the loss of kind of one of those key nodes of that

00:17:31.100 network that kind of guides popular opinion is really devastating for them. And Twitter isn't

00:17:37.940 that big compared to other social media platforms. But what it, you know, loses in size, it makes up

00:17:44.720 for an influence. It's where all the narrative crafters are plugged in. It's the dopamine delivery

00:17:49.580 system for your average left wing blue check journalist. And so the fact that they no longer

00:17:55.200 longer have complete domination of the narrative forming in that space means that they lose the

00:18:01.080 ability to constantly push that story down on the average person, the people that they were planning

00:18:06.520 on always being able to guide to the correct conclusion. Yeah. Let me pause and explain a little

00:18:11.720 bit about the Twitter files, because I haven't talked about it very much on my show. And so for those who

00:18:16.680 don't know the Twitter files, they're basically a series of tweets, tweet threads by different

00:18:22.520 journalists that I guess were tapped by Elon Musk, to reveal what has been going on behind the scenes

00:18:27.820 at Twitter, especially for the past few years. They're very long Twitter threads. So like a TLDR was

00:18:33.580 basically that Taibbi, which was one of the journalists, that he basically revealed that the

00:18:40.840 government and Twitter were kind of colluding to decide which tweets were they were going to suppress,

00:18:47.560 especially surrounding the 2020 election and COVID. There was a lot of interaction between the FBI

00:18:54.840 and the DOJ and Twitter. Barry Weiss was also one of these journalists. And then you've also got

00:19:00.760 Michael Schellenberger, another one of these journalists who basically just revealed that

00:19:06.000 the people behind the scenes at Twitter were working with mostly, not entirely, but mostly the Democratic

00:19:11.900 Party to suppress information that they didn't like that they called dangerous or called misinformation

00:19:18.280 or called inciting violence or something like that. And they also revealed that what they call is,

00:19:27.520 I think it's visibility filtering is how they refer to it. What we typically talk about as shadow

00:19:34.220 banning is something that is going on behind the scenes, even though they have denied it many times over

00:19:40.380 the years. Jack himself said, Oh, no, we have never shadow banned someone, especially not based on

00:19:45.520 political ideology. But they are, they prevent people from being able to show up on the trending tab,

00:19:52.300 they suppress the circulation of a tweet. And these are typically from what we've seen conservative

00:19:59.680 accounts, Republican accounts, or simply not left wing accounts that are getting slapped with this kind

00:20:06.600 of censorship. And then as you said, the average blue check journalist is saying, Oh, my goodness,

00:20:12.360 these other journalists are doing PR for the richest white nationalist or whatever. In the world,

00:20:19.940 this is so terrible. Or they'll say, you know, this is a nothing burger. Who cares? This is no big deal.

00:20:26.480 But you talked about turning the Leviathan around by using the tools available to do that. This to me

00:20:31.740 seems like a perfect example of doing that using the tools and the power that he has to kind of

00:20:37.580 reveal something really big and really bad. Yeah. And that's the thing that is really striking about

00:20:43.360 Elon Musk and this interaction, right? As conservatives, we've been told it's about winning

00:20:48.640 elections, right? It's about you got to get the Congress and the Senate. And, you know, you just get

00:20:52.840 that one more Supreme Court justice, and then finally, everything will turn around. And I think a lot of

00:20:56.980 people are frustrated because they realize that, you know, you had, you know, Trump, and you had

00:21:01.780 control of the entire legislative process, and you had, you know, victories in the Supreme Court,

00:21:07.040 and you don't have a whole lot to show for it, right? But what we're learning is that power isn't

00:21:11.400 necessarily just in the formal arms of the government, right? We understand that the formal arms of the

00:21:17.840 government interact with places like Twitter, and collude to guide them in a particular direction to use the

00:21:25.720 power of that media apparatus to, again, change the way that people literally view the world. And if

00:21:31.700 you have a system where popular sovereignty is the guide, controlling what people think and see

00:21:36.900 is the key to control to staying in power. And so what Elon Musk has done has really, again,

00:21:42.840 broken that monopoly wide open, and allowed people to see something that I think most people if you've

00:21:49.660 ever interacted with Twitter, and you've had a decent sized account, you can feel when those bands are on,

00:21:55.000 you can see that interaction plummet, you, you can totally understand throwing. So a lot of people

00:21:59.940 knew this was happening. But we had these constant denials. And they said this, I believe under I don't

00:22:05.220 want to misspeak, but I believe like Jack Dorsey said this specifically to Congress, we do not shadow

00:22:10.220 ban, you know, they end the Jagadi, like one of the heads over Twitter as well, repeatedly told people

00:22:16.300 met with different people, I believe, like Charlie Kirk said he met with them, and was told point blank,

00:22:20.940 we do not shadow ban. And now we have the smoking gun, we have the evidence for, you know, Elon Musk

00:22:26.440 has divulged all these documents, all these screenshots, all these things showing the tags,

00:22:31.340 showing the process, showing what happens here. And we can see very clearly that there's an intentional

00:22:37.280 effort on a regular basis to completely shape the narrative, to ban certain accounts, to throttle

00:22:43.160 certain accounts, to boost certain accounts, to remove things on behalf of political parties to

00:22:48.500 interact with the federal government, and decide what can and cannot be disseminated. And that,

00:22:54.560 again, it's something that I think most people who are paying attention suspected, but having those

00:23:00.300 cold, hard facts, having that, you know, those receipts is really essential.

00:23:04.720 And just so people know, we're not talking about accounts that are going out there and saying,

00:23:10.100 you know, I'm going to shoot up this building, or like, you know, exposing people's addresses.

00:23:14.740 Actually, sometimes in those cases, people who were doxing or harassing people, as long as they

00:23:19.640 were on the left, were actually not getting banned or shadow banned at all. We are talking about people

00:23:23.840 who are saying things that were factually true, or at least they were, you know, their own opinion,

00:23:29.740 a completely valid opinion. They were getting shadow banned, or they were getting taken off Twitter

00:23:34.640 entirely. One of the examples that was given, I think, by Barry Weiss was Dr. Jay Bhattacharya.

00:23:40.540 He is a Stanford epidemiologist. He's been on this podcast before, who raised a question about

00:23:46.220 the effectiveness and the ethics of lockdowns in the beginning. And so he was one of the people who

00:23:51.780 was being punished. And so we're not talking about, and obviously, it would still be problematic,

00:23:57.040 in a sense, if we were, but we're not talking about these, like, kooky out there accounts that

00:24:02.560 are going out there and actually trying to get people to inflict violence or something like that.

00:24:06.900 We are talking about totally legitimate takes and legitimate opinions or legitimate facts

00:24:13.660 that were being suppressed. And of course, humor, the Babylon Bee, is a part of this who joked about

00:24:20.100 Rachel Levine being a man, which is not even really a joke. It's just true. And again, they got taken

00:24:26.080 down for that. And we found out that President Trump, he was actually being suppressed and shadow

00:24:32.380 banned in a way, even before his 2020 election. And so if that's not, like, election interference

00:24:40.060 and anti-democracy, the very thing that the left always says that they are trying to defend,

00:24:46.500 I don't know what is. But as you often say, it's not really hypocrisy. It's just hierarchy, right?

00:24:52.260 Yeah, these people believe, and you can see this from the journalists who are defending what's

00:24:56.400 happening here. And let's just stop for a moment and talk about how wild that is, right?

00:24:59.720 And that journalists, like, they are supposed to be there to uncover the facts. They're supposed

00:25:04.660 to be there to hold the powerful accountable, right? This is all we hear is what we see in

00:25:08.820 movies. This is how these people are portrayed, you know, the press and their heroic actions to

00:25:14.460 control power.

00:25:15.620 I love journalist movies, but they're not like that in real life.

00:25:18.520 Not at all, right? It turns out these people are complete hacks who are willing to follow power

00:25:22.420 wherever it goes.

00:25:22.960 Has it always been like that?

00:25:24.100 Yes, yes. We can get into that if you want to. But yeah, there was never this golden age of

00:25:29.800 journalism that people like to think about. Like, that's a Hollywood creation. You learn about yellow

00:25:34.360 journalism in the Spanish-American War in high school, right? And then everyone just acts like

00:25:38.540 that just kind of disappeared. It just solved itself. Some magical wand was waved over the press,

00:25:42.740 and they turned into valorous defenders of freedom, right? But these people are berating,

00:25:47.920 you know, Elon Musk for revealing basic facts. Oh, you gave access to information to journalists

00:25:54.820 so they could do a story. You must be a white nationalist, right? Like, this is the refrain

00:25:58.620 we're seeing from these people. They hate having this stuff exposed. And you can see how blatant that

00:26:04.540 bias was. I mean, you look at someone like Libs of TikTok, right? That account specifically,

00:26:08.840 they say multiple times in the Twitter files, they say, okay, it doesn't really violate the rules,

00:26:15.080 but we're going to change the rules to say it does. And they do that several times over and over

00:26:20.400 again. And then you, like you said, when the information doxing the owner of that account

00:26:25.280 is made present and it's reported, they reject it and say, oh, that we don't see this as a violation

00:26:31.040 of our rules. So we see direct cases where they say, we're going to completely ignore direct violations

00:26:36.780 of our rules because we don't like your politics. And we are going to ban you entirely, even though you

00:26:41.840 clearly do not violate our policies. Because again, we just, we, you're not, you're not even

00:26:46.500 making commentary. You're simply showing what people are saying. Right. But we're going to

00:26:51.560 interpret that as hate speech because that allows us to do what we want. It's the constant

00:26:56.840 manipulation of procedure, right? Twitter wants to pretend that it has rules and regulations and

00:27:03.100 algorithms and policies that are all very, you know, they make sense. And because, you know,

00:27:08.080 they're, they're in place, all the, the bureaucracy, you know, they're, none of them are, it's none of

00:27:12.280 it's not their fault. They're, they're just following the rules. Right. So no one can be

00:27:15.700 held accountable. But what we see, what this lets us peer behind the curtain and see is that actually

00:27:20.540 at every step decisions were being, being made, exceptions were being made. The thumb was being

00:27:25.100 put on the scales. All of these policies were for show. And the truth is that these people were more

00:27:30.420 than willing to work with the federal government and to work with the democratic party and just on their

00:27:34.280 own become soldiers again, in a political war against people that they hate.

00:27:49.780 And the person who was kind of the head of this is Yul Roth. And a lot of his old tweets are

00:27:57.200 resurfacing right now. And he has said a few very strange things over the years. Back in 2010,

00:28:06.580 he tweeted, can high school students ever meaningfully consent to sex with their teachers?

00:28:11.280 Apparently that was something that he wanted to explore. He said, I'm persistently freaked out by

00:28:16.240 the youth centric direction my research interests are headed in given I, you know, hate children.

00:28:21.700 He also posted, I guess it was supposed to be like a humorous tweet saying,

00:28:27.200 do you think that the staff at the American Airlines lounge would euthanize these loud children

00:28:34.660 next to me if I ask politely? Not tranquilize. Like, okay, maybe that would be a joke. He said,

00:28:41.220 euthanize the children that were bothering him. He also said something weird. He said,

00:28:45.740 I can't tell if the neighbors next door have a really loud infant or listening to really loud

00:28:51.640 porn. And then he also posted a posted a tweet about how his PhD thesis was about whether or not

00:29:04.120 kids should be on adult sex or hookup apps like Grindr, which is, I guess, a gay hookup,

00:29:12.380 I don't know, app. And it seems from the excerpt that we have that he lands on the side of,

00:29:18.700 yeah, they should have access to that. So this is the health or was the head of trust and safety

00:29:25.760 for Twitter, who is making a lot of these decisions, who is meeting with the FBI. Another

00:29:30.860 component of this that Elon Musk says that he has taken on is the child exploitation that was just

00:29:36.340 rampant on Twitter. You've got employees and previous employees saying we weren't like the

00:29:41.100 people who were supposed to be in charge of taking this down were barely even funded.

00:29:44.820 We would be told that we could take down the material sometimes, but we couldn't ban the

00:29:49.760 accounts. And Elon Musk says that he is, you know, he is heading the charge and trying to change that.

00:29:59.080 So I don't know. It's all it's all very strange. I guess just tell me what you think about Yul Roth and

00:30:05.800 why, why there is always like child sex stuff in the center of the corruption in these bureaucratic

00:30:14.080 entities. Tell us why.

00:30:15.880 I mean, it's a, it's a really amazing situation. Like you said, you hate to pull like random tweets

00:30:20.900 out of someone's past because who knows what the context is, but there does seem to very odd

00:30:24.960 pattern of behavior here. Right. And I think when it comes to like, for instance, the, the,

00:30:29.800 the, the PhD thesis that you're talking about, right? I think one of the things you have to ask

00:30:34.920 how a guy like this ends up being in charge of this, right? Like how does his previous work qualify

00:30:39.580 him to decide whether or not presidents of the United States should be able to speak on social

00:30:43.880 media. But I think there's this constant need to be transgressive. Right. And one thing that we

00:30:49.040 constantly hear is that, well, people are doing something anyway. And so the, the space has to be,

00:30:54.080 be made safe. And that's his argument in this PhD thesis is like, well, there's already teenagers

00:30:59.180 on the site. Right. And so there's nothing for abortion, for any form of immorality. Well,

00:31:05.620 it's already happening. So let's just make it easier and safer. The question is always safe for

00:31:10.820 who? Yeah. Well, the, the, the thing is the slippery slope is just the undefeated champion,

00:31:15.300 right? It, it, it, it was entirely correct. We were all shamed into noticing a pattern that is very

00:31:21.840 prevalent and told like, well, that's low class, right? That you must be foolish. You must be some

00:31:27.820 crazy 80s Southern Baptist grandma. Well, it turns out your, your 80s Southern Baptist grandma was

00:31:34.700 absolutely correct. Right. No, she was actually incorrect because she underestimated things. And I

00:31:39.880 think that's, you know, that's a point that you've made. Even my, you know, 80s Southern Baptist

00:31:44.820 grandma, if I tried to explain to her what a drag queen story hour is, I mean, she wouldn't have

00:31:50.540 believed it. None of us would have believed it five to 10 years ago. I remember when we,

00:31:55.180 it was probably 2012 having a conversation with some of my Christian friends in college and someone

00:31:59.980 bringing up like, cause it was looking like, okay, gay marriage is going to be something that is going

00:32:06.060 to be legalized, whatever. And they were bringing up the fall of Rome and the immorality rampant there.

00:32:12.980 And of course, other people were like, what are you talking about? Well, how does this affect you?

00:32:17.740 How is this going to change anything? Again, a gross underestimate.

00:32:22.860 Yeah, it really is amazing. If you talked to most people, like even like the most hysterical

00:32:28.200 gay marriage opponent back when this was a big debate and you told them, okay, this is going to

00:32:33.980 get passed or this is not going to get passed. It's going to get handed down, top down from the

00:32:37.900 Supreme court. Cause that's how changes actually happen. Um, but this is going to get forced down

00:32:42.260 onto the country. And within, you know, 10, 15 years, you're going to have children getting,

00:32:48.000 you know, puberty blockers at eight and getting, you know, their bodies completely physically

00:32:52.300 altered at 13 to try to change their gender. I think even the most staunch anti gay marriage

00:32:57.780 person would have been like, okay, like, come on, man. Like really? Yeah. The Westboro Baptist

00:33:02.620 person would have been like, calm down. Let's not be ridiculous here. Right. Like,

00:33:06.460 but this is exactly where we are. Right. And the reason is that a consent based morality

00:33:12.840 is a disaster. It's a social, social asset that eats through everything. Yes. And all

00:33:20.020 the safety barriers that people don't, the thing about tradition and the thing about taboo

00:33:24.540 is they're there for a reason. They're, they're social knowledge that has been hard fought and

00:33:29.960 hard won and transmitted down through your tradition and through your religion and through

00:33:36.400 those lessons that are taught to you so that you don't have to relearn them every single

00:33:40.560 time. Right. And when we, you know, this is Chesterton's fence for people who aren't

00:33:44.400 familiar with GK Chesterton. You know, you don't take the fence down until you understand why

00:33:48.140 it was there in the first place, but we have just been in a fence demolishing spree, you

00:33:53.500 know, for a very long time. People and every, every point people said, well, the consequences

00:33:57.640 will never catch up with us, but here we are. Yep. And it's named a destigmatizing. We need

00:34:03.920 to destigmatize everything because stigma causes shame and shame is always harmful and shame

00:34:09.520 is not always harmful. Sometimes, sometimes it can be, but sometimes it's a useful tool.

00:34:14.060 And we talk about that on this podcast a lot, that consent is not a sufficient standard for

00:34:19.780 morality. And this was back, I think I first started talking about this, some Cardi B something

00:34:26.480 or other, where the argument from the other side is, well, if someone is consenting to,

00:34:34.280 if it makes them happy to twerk naked on a stage or whatever it is, then what's wrong with that?

00:34:40.780 It is a form of empowerment because she is deciding that she wants to do something and she's doing it

00:34:45.740 and she's making money from it. And my point was always, but objectification is still objectification,

00:34:51.140 whether you are doing it or not. And I think treating someone or seeing someone or treating

00:34:56.020 yourself and seeing yourself as an object is not just damaging to you as an individual,

00:35:01.180 but to society as a whole. I don't care if she is consenting to that. It's still wrong.

00:35:06.880 But you see how consent-based morality is not just leading to all the things that we see,

00:35:14.120 but it absolutely will lead to and has already led to the normalization of pedophilia.

00:35:20.020 Age is a lot more dynamic than gender. And they've already messed with that. They've already said

00:35:27.460 that male and female isn't static. You think that they're not doing that with age as well,

00:35:32.740 that they will eventually finagle their way into saying, what does it really matter if consent is

00:35:38.960 there? So anyway, totally agree with you. No, I think you'll also notice in that example you gave

00:35:45.600 there that it's interesting that the left will pivot to free market justifications for a lot of this

00:35:52.500 stuff, right? As long as you can turn this into something that people are making money off of,

00:35:58.660 it's a voluntary transaction that creates some kind of financial interaction, then it's fine,

00:36:03.600 right? These people who are constantly talking about the dangers of capitalism and the dangers of

00:36:07.940 the free market, all of a sudden, they don't seem to care about that very much when it comes to

00:36:12.420 degeneracy that allows people to kind of break down social barriers, right? And so we can kind

00:36:17.400 of see that this is a consistent feature of the left-wing worldview. We're always going to be moving

00:36:23.000 this direction. It doesn't really matter what ideological tools we need to switch to, what kind

00:36:28.800 of justifications we pivot. And this is where I think sometimes the ideological strictness of

00:36:34.280 conservatives can get caught up, right? Because you'll see a lot of people arguing on the right

00:36:39.540 saying, well, at the end of the day, we're for the free market, right? And if people are going to make

00:36:43.700 these decisions, we can't ban this stuff, right? We're the party of small government. We can't step

00:36:49.180 in and do this kind of thing. We saw this with Ron DeSantis, right? When he's taking what should be

00:36:54.320 landmark action that every Republican governor should be following, right? When he's taking actions

00:36:59.900 to ban the sexualization of children in public schools, ban critical race theory teaching children

00:37:04.980 that they're evil because they're white, like that should be banned in schools from the top down,

00:37:10.180 taking actions against companies like Disney, where, you know, they're supporting this kind of

00:37:16.740 degeneracy. They're supporting pushing this ideology on children. And Ron DeSantis says, okay,

00:37:22.460 we're getting rid of your tax breaks. We're getting rid of your special exemptions. Sorry,

00:37:26.340 you're not going to get rich off the backs of taxpayers while you're pushing this kind of junk in our

00:37:32.800 state, right? Those are the kinds of things that conservatives need to say. Yeah, actually,

00:37:37.420 we're fine with using the power of government to stop this kind of stuff. And we don't need to adhere

00:37:42.300 to some kind of ideology that says that we have to allow corporations to attack children. Yeah,

00:37:48.980 because, oh, you know, sorry, we're the small government guys. No.

00:37:51.960 Yeah. And we've seen that it's actually effective. I mean, obviously, he turned a very purple slash maybe

00:37:57.480 light blue state into now a deep red state. So people liked it. People like someone taking the

00:38:04.380 power that's available to them and pushing for something that's good and going against corporations.

00:38:09.100 I think corporations being in bed with the Republican Party has just been so disastrous for

00:38:14.080 the country and certainly disastrous for their constituents. And so I was thankful to see someone

00:38:19.060 stand up against, you know, a Goliath that is Disney. And it's confusing to me why other Republicans

00:38:26.140 don't look at that and say, oh, that actually worked. People like someone fighting the culture

00:38:30.500 war. And instead, they say, you know, I don't want to fight the culture war or I don't want to be

00:38:36.020 divisive. We've got very few people in Washington willing to do that. We had very few people in

00:38:40.940 Washington willing to even, you know, defend marriage when it came to Obergefell a few years ago.

00:38:46.700 Something that I noticed that Republicans do is that even if they are making a defense, very often

00:38:52.160 they will go to like the most fringe part of their defense. So rather than saying, you know,

00:38:57.500 the core of their argument against redefining marriage, which is you can't redefine marriage,

00:39:03.240 you don't have the power to redefine marriage. Marriage is pre-civilizational and it's based on

00:39:08.500 biological complementarianism and Congress can't change that. They go to religious liberty. And so

00:39:13.540 they're already in like really almost like a non sequitur. They're already in like the fringe most

00:39:19.320 part of it. And I think that is also one reason why we lose because we have very few people

00:39:26.040 willing to defend the core of what it is that we believe.

00:39:30.800 Well, I think the truth is that the vast majority of the GOP isn't their constituency,

00:39:34.940 isn't their voters. Their constituency is corporations and donors. I think the gulf between

00:39:41.200 the donor class in the Republican Party and the will of the voters is very obvious. And I think Trump

00:39:46.080 showed that to everybody, right? Like whether, no matter how you feel about what Donald Trump did

00:39:50.420 with the power that he gained, when he stepped in and created the movement that he did, he did it

00:39:55.900 because he stepped in and said things that every person on the right and many people on the left

00:40:00.060 wanted to hear, but that Republicans refuse to say, sorry, immigration is done. Like I want my country

00:40:06.980 to be my country and I want my family to be able to be raised. And when I pay taxes,

00:40:12.280 I want people to, you know, I want those taxes to go to people in my community. And I want people to

00:40:18.780 speak the same language and have the same culture and grow up as one nation, right? Like, and those

00:40:23.980 are things that the GOP has skirted around for a very long time. And Donald Trump just came out and

00:40:28.820 said it. Did he mean every bit of it? Was it the core of his values? Hard to know, right? It feels

00:40:33.440 like a lot of times Donald Trump is saying what people want to hear, but the thing is he didn't have

00:40:37.020 the limitations of a normal politicians. So he's willing to say things that the Republicans

00:40:40.980 actually wanted, right? That GOP voters really wanted to hear from people. We want you to protect

00:40:45.880 our jobs and we don't really care if this isn't some kind of libertarian think tank, you know,

00:40:52.000 a dream about how government should run. We want people to stop shipping our, our jobs overseas.

00:40:57.920 Right. And his ability to break through that, I think is what organized the, a lot of, you know,

00:41:04.060 energized a lot of that base, but we already see kind of the GOP trying to pivot way as quickly as

00:41:09.520 possible. We see this with the red wave, right? Oh, the red wave didn't materialize. So we have

00:41:13.420 to worry about candidate quality. Oh, these, these Trump Republicans, they're just not,

00:41:17.640 they're not a high enough quality, even though Fetterman wins. Right. And Joe Biden.

00:41:22.880 Exactly. And, and so it's just insane that they're trying to do this, but they know like

00:41:27.540 they need to wrestle control of party away from the actual voters. They need to get it back on.

00:41:32.760 We need to be Jeb Bush's and Mitt Romney's all the way down, right? Really safe people who are always

00:41:38.220 going to make those corner case arguments that you're talking about that are destined to lose

00:41:42.000 in the wrong long run, which is why Mitt Romney's voting for this now. Right. Because at the end of

00:41:46.580 the day, these people are far more worried about donor money and glowing, uh, stories from the New York

00:41:53.220 Times than they are about actually fighting for a culture that they believe in.

00:42:08.700 Okay. Let me press into something that you said that I know is going to be deemed controversial

00:42:14.140 by some of the people that you just listed or some of the kind of people. If you haven't been

00:42:18.220 written up by Media Matters, this might be your moment. Um, you want your children to grow up

00:42:25.420 in people who share your culture and your language. Tell me why that's important and why some, why,

00:42:32.500 why is that controversial for some people?

00:42:34.900 I think it's really difficult for people because they have a hard time understanding what America

00:42:39.980 is, right? Is America a set of ideas? Is America actually a group of people? Is America an ideology?

00:42:46.860 And so because of that, it's really difficult for people to understand like what they're fighting

00:42:51.200 for, because if America is just an ideology, then if someone says they no longer believe in the

00:42:56.420 American ideology, they cease being American. I think most people would say no. Right. So America

00:43:00.940 has to be something else. Right. Now, America has always been a mixture of many different people.

00:43:06.240 Right. That's always been the case. A lot. It's a, a nation of people who came and settled a

00:43:11.660 different land and they, sometimes we had different waves that kind of changed and altered

00:43:16.520 certain aspects of America. But I think at this point we are at such open borders and insane,

00:43:23.060 there is no immigration policy, right? It's whoever gets across is here and they're released into the

00:43:28.140 country. We know this. At least for illegal immigrants. I mean, actually someone trying

00:43:32.080 to become a legal immigrant, there's plenty of policy and plenty of rules to jump over,

00:43:35.840 which is part of the problem. Yeah. But I mean, the, but the Democrats say this over and over again,

00:43:40.200 they're not particularly coy about it when they aren't denouncing people. They say

00:43:44.340 demographics are on our side, right? Eventually they're going to be so great replacement, but

00:43:50.080 they say it constantly, right? They cheer it on, on a regular basis. But then they call it a great

00:43:54.800 replacement theory. Tucker Carlson is the end of the, right. But, but, but, you know, Tucker Carlson can

00:44:00.760 also slam the montage up of all these politicians, all these journalists saying, eventually we're going

00:44:05.620 to get enough people from other countries in here and they're going to vote for us and you'll never win

00:44:09.540 another, you know, uh, election again. They, they taunt Republicans constantly with this line.

00:44:14.840 Now, what we're seeing is by leadership by people like DeSantis, actually, maybe you can

00:44:19.880 significantly change. You can flip a place like Miami Dade, which is, was deep blue as I'll get out

00:44:26.880 and turn it into something. So maybe there isn't that inevitability, but either way, the American people

00:44:33.160 have a right to decide who's going to be in their country and they have a right to decide who's going

00:44:38.300 to be in their community. They're the people who fund this stuff. They're the people who live here.

00:44:42.520 They're the people who make this place who they are. And they have the, if, if, if popular will

00:44:46.340 means anything, if that's really something and we can talk about whether or not it does, but if it means

00:44:51.100 anything, then I think it has to mean that people have the right to live in the kind of communities

00:44:56.480 that they want. And if they don't, you know, if they don't want home prices driven up, if they don't

00:45:01.480 want to have to teach seven different languages at their school, if they don't want to have to have

00:45:06.520 a giant infrastructure to care for people who broke the law, entering the nation and removing

00:45:12.780 those resources from their children and their communities, that's a perfectly reasonable thing

00:45:17.260 to say. Yeah. And it used to be known as something that was perfectly reasonable. And for some reason

00:45:22.880 we've been gaslit into thinking that it's not. And I think, I mean, we see especially what's gone on

00:45:28.660 in Europe, that there is really no sense of cohesive national identity in a lot of these places

00:45:34.260 that have allowed really a lot of these refugees, if you can even call them that, or a lot of these

00:45:41.600 migrants, not only come in all right, but also kind of create their own colonies. I mean, talk about

00:45:48.000 colonialism that the left says that they hate, create their own colonies, which can operate in

00:45:53.240 impunity. Like if you're looking at places like the UK, they have a huge problem with a lot of these

00:45:58.040 Middle Eastern immigrants committing disproportionate rates of assault and rape and things like that. And

00:46:04.900 they won't do anything about it. The government won't do anything about it. So it's not that, I mean,

00:46:09.840 they talk about like this rich tapestry or this rich, like mosaic. All right. I mean, yes, but even a

00:46:16.240 mosaic has glue that holds it together. And if you don't have that, you don't even have the rule of

00:46:21.200 law that holds people together. I mean, what do you have? It's not a mosaic. It's more just,

00:46:26.700 I don't know, just a mass. It's a mass. It's anarchy and people don't operate in chaos. Well,

00:46:32.400 well, and you see how much progressives actually value diversity because the minute that Ron DeSantis

00:46:38.020 landed some immigrants in Martha's Vineyard, all of a sudden the military had them out of there.

00:46:43.640 Oh yeah.

00:46:44.360 Inside of 48 hours. Right.

00:46:46.040 So it turns out diversity is your strength, but not our strength.

00:46:51.020 It's not Martha's Vineyard's strength at all.

00:46:52.440 Not for Martha's Vineyard. They don't really hold to that. That's for the suckers down the

00:46:58.740 border states. Right. Like that's the thing. And I grew up in Florida. Right. Like the, you know,

00:47:04.240 most of my friends, Hispanic admixture of some kind. Right. Like we shared a culture in many ways.

00:47:09.820 It's not that these things can't work, but it's the rate of change over time. Right. It's that you

00:47:16.540 cannot bring vast quantities of people into a nation who don't have an education, aren't familiar

00:47:23.200 with the culture and just drop them into a neighborhood and say, oh, well now it's your

00:47:28.740 community's responsibility. Yeah. To, you know, fund this. And, and, and, you know, like that was the

00:47:35.020 big thing from Martha Vineyard and say, we're not a border state. We don't have the money for this.

00:47:38.520 Like border states get some kind of special dispensation to care for the, you know, hundreds

00:47:43.640 of thousands of people pouring over their borders. They don't, and they shouldn't have to live this

00:47:47.680 way. Right. Some of my favorite people in my life are immigrants. I love this family so much. And we

00:47:56.720 share a lot that I don't really share with some of the people that I share a country with who are on

00:48:03.940 the other side of the spectrum. We share our faith. We share our language. I mean, they're very

00:48:09.140 hardworking. And so we share a lot of values and we do share a similar culture in a lot of ways and

00:48:14.740 that we're raising our kids the same way. And so there is a cohesiveness there. There is like a bond

00:48:20.240 there that I, and they're American citizens that I don't share with a lot of other American citizens.

00:48:25.380 So of course it's possible to have people from different backgrounds, but you have to have

00:48:30.340 something that supersedes, um, that supersedes your skin color, your ethnicity, your country of

00:48:37.720 origin. And we just don't have that. Multiculturalism doesn't even really allow that.

00:48:43.220 I mean, we've specifically gone our way to dissolve it, right? Like that, that it's not just that we don't

00:48:47.740 have it. It's that we actively worked to break down that shared culture in kind of the pursuit of this

00:48:53.620 new progressive faith. And the people coming in here don't necessarily adhere to the progressive

00:48:59.240 faith the way that other people do. But either way, the point is that, you know, again, the people

00:49:05.120 in the country now should be able to decide the rate of immigration. They should be able to say,

00:49:10.600 we want to stop this for a while. We want to adjust this, right? We have a skyrocketing, um,

00:49:17.340 home prices where it's almost impossible for families to afford first homes, right?

00:49:23.740 And importing large amounts of people who are going to make more demands on your housing is only going

00:49:28.360 to make those kinds of things more difficult. We talk about how we want a wage that will allow one

00:49:34.320 earner to earn for their family and allow someone to stay home and raise children so we can have

00:49:38.600 functional families, right? But if you're constantly importing cheap labor, driving down the cost of

00:49:44.060 labor, then they could be the greatest people in the world. You're still actively doing something to

00:49:48.540 harm the people who live here now. And you just, I think that's what Donald Trump tapped into. It's

00:49:53.260 okay to say that Americans, wherever they may have come from in the beginning, are now want to be a

00:50:00.060 people who can care about their community and set standards and achieve goals to grow families and

00:50:06.380 provide things for their, you know, for the next generation going forward. And if that means they need

00:50:11.680 to restrict immigration to do that, that's a perfectly reasonable desire for them.

00:50:15.360 I saw a tweet the other day, and I think this person was earnest, that said, I can't think of,

00:50:22.140 or can someone tell me a genuine non-racist reason for someone to want to live in a suburb?

00:50:28.100 So I almost think that the mentality that you're talking about is foreign. I don't even want to

00:50:33.280 say just to people on the left, although I'm sure it's mostly people on the left, this idea that

00:50:37.260 you can care about your family first. You can care about your community first. You can care more

00:50:42.700 about your family than other families. You can care more about your neighborhood than you care

00:50:46.040 about other neighborhoods. You can care more and should care more actually about your country

00:50:49.800 than other countries. That, it's always lumped in with some kind of white supremacy or white

00:50:57.840 nationalism or bigotry. And so I think some people are manipulated into saying, oh no, I care about

00:51:04.460 everyone the exact same, which is actually a lie. No one really does. But why do they think that way?

00:51:09.160 Yeah. Because when you say that you care about humanity, you don't have to care about your

00:51:13.680 neighbor anymore. Right? If you get to abstract, I care about someone else over there and I don't

00:51:19.180 actually have to bring them into my home. I don't have to feed them. I don't have to give them the

00:51:23.420 coat off my back. Yeah. It's abstract virtue. Exactly. I can funnel the money through some

00:51:29.760 organization, some NGO, some government somewhere, and probably not even my money, probably someone

00:51:33.900 else's money. Yeah. And I can feel virtuous for doing that without ever having to care about those

00:51:38.700 people. Without having to get off the couch. But if you want to really build communities, if you really

00:51:42.940 want to build a social fabric that informs a government that will do better things for the

00:51:49.760 people, you have to care locally. You have to care about the people around you. You have to form

00:51:54.360 communities that can provide the kinds of institutions and the things that pick people up when they're down

00:52:00.920 and provide people opportunities and care for them in difficult times. Those are the kinds of

00:52:04.940 things that enabled family formation, that enabled small businesses to grow, to do all the things that

00:52:10.660 we as Americans want to think of as kind of core to the American experience. But we've decided to

00:52:16.360 disassemble all of those things in the pursuit of humanity. I'm for all humans, which means you're

00:52:22.220 actually for no humans at all. Yeah.

00:52:30.920 I wish I had more time. I've got nine more minutes. And so rapid fire, a few things that I

00:52:41.240 want to ask you about. Which one first? Okay, first, because you did kind of allude to this,

00:52:47.940 and you said we can talk about this. Does the voice of the people actually mean anything?

00:52:52.560 You don't like democracy. I'm not a big fan of democracy. And the reason there's quite a few

00:53:00.120 reasons. One is what most people mean by democracy now is not even approaching the actual like

00:53:06.740 representative republic that the American founders would have talked about, right? The idea that the

00:53:11.720 franchise can just go literally to illegal immigrants at this point, right? We have different

00:53:16.080 cities and states that are saying, oh, well, you should, you know, you should allow completely

00:53:20.000 undocumented people. They live here too. So they deserve a vote, even though they have no actual

00:53:24.340 citizenship, they haven't obtained those rights. So even the kind of, even if you like democracy,

00:53:28.660 the thing we have now is just a complete, you know, it's a shambles, right? It doesn't even work.

00:53:34.440 But I think also, unfortunately, what democracy does is it incentivizes the short term, right? Like

00:53:42.760 society is all about delayed gratification. It's about reducing your time preference and putting a value

00:53:52.260 on things down the road. And what democracy does is it incentivizes to only think to the next election

00:53:58.020 cycle, to only fight for kind of that stuff that's right in front of us. And so politicians say,

00:54:03.520 basically, why not just give everything to my supporters right now? Because who cares what's

00:54:08.760 going to be down the road? I might not be here tomorrow, so I might as well eat everything now,

00:54:12.140 right? And so we see this with, you know, for instance, giving away money to Ukraine while we're

00:54:18.820 having an economic crisis, right? Like these people are just giving money away to their supporters,

00:54:25.120 giving money away to weapons manufacturers, giving money away. And however you feel like

00:54:29.580 Vladimir Putin, bad guy, absolutely. But how is this your problem, right? It's only your problem

00:54:34.040 because it profits people in the American Congress and the American, you know, the American Senate.

00:54:38.320 And so, you know, people are willing to make those short term, you know, they're willing to pay off

00:54:44.740 voters. Now, vote buying is just always the most effective thing in the short term. It's really hard to

00:54:50.260 sell those pro-civilizational things to people in the long term. People don't vote for civilization.

00:54:56.480 They assume they take civilization for granted, and then they vote for the things that are convenient

00:55:01.760 for them now, right? And that's a constant problem that democracy faces. It's constantly also,

00:55:07.720 there's always power in disassembling. I'm sorry, I'm probably going too long for the things I wanted to

00:55:11.880 hit. But it also, constantly, there's always power in disassembling tradition and the current

00:55:18.780 hierarchy. And because there's, because the people who are out of power want to gain power. And so

00:55:24.720 people who are in the representation want to gain power can always devolve some part of the hierarchy

00:55:31.940 or promise some part of the pie to people who don't have it if they'll gain their support. And so that's

00:55:37.320 one of the reasons that we kind of always see American politics moving to the left, because it's

00:55:43.200 always about dismantling the system as it is now. So you can provide power and Gibbs to people

00:55:48.440 who don't have them currently. There's a very long case to be made, but those would be some of my

00:55:54.200 basic...

00:55:54.380 What do you think is the best form of government?

00:55:57.080 Well, that's a difficult thing. Joseph de Maistre is a guy that I like a lot. He was a

00:56:02.180 political theorist in kind of the late 1700s. But one of the things he said is that the governments

00:56:08.320 are, the proper government, form of government is always going to reflect the character of the people,

00:56:12.600 right? So it's not that like, for instance, a representative republic couldn't be the right form of,

00:56:18.380 but it has to reflect the nature of the people. And our founding fathers knew this, by the way,

00:56:22.280 they said specifically, the constitution only exists for moral people, right? It only exists

00:56:27.780 for people who are going to have these religious traditions. And so if you're going to have that

00:56:32.240 type of government, it has to reflect the people as they are now. I think kind of the way we've let,

00:56:38.240 you know, our civilization slide, I don't think that really maps onto the reality. It doesn't reflect

00:56:43.560 today. I think that we're probably going to see eventually a move to some kind of, you know,

00:56:49.280 strong man at the end of the day. I think a lot of people will see that because, uh, you know,

00:56:54.320 there's, they're not going to have the ability to break through a lot of the things people are

00:56:57.160 going to look for solutions as things kind of have a problem, but that's not, you know,

00:57:01.120 I'm not advocating for that. I'm just saying that's a...

00:57:03.460 That's typically how history goes.

00:57:04.600 Yes, we see that over and over again.

00:57:06.400 Um, they don't operate in chaos. Well, people don't like chaos. People don't like anarchy.

00:57:11.680 Um, part of the reason why libertarianism doesn't work very well, which I know that you could

00:57:17.160 take us on a, take us on a, uh, a journey about libertarianism too, but we don't have that much

00:57:24.920 time. All right. Just a couple more things. Uh, you mentioned Vladimir Putin, Brittany Griner.

00:57:30.340 What do you think about, um, that swap? Was it a fair deal for the merchant of death?

00:57:37.180 It's really interesting because it turns out Vladimir Putin is the most dangerous human being

00:57:41.380 in the world and he's planning world domination. We have to fight a proxy war through Ukraine to

00:57:46.360 risk nuclear annihilation in order to keep him from spreading his power. Unless we have like one of

00:57:54.280 our aristocracy over there on like drug charges, and then we can trade him an arms dealer kind of

00:57:59.620 whenever we want to. Right. And then that's the thing, you know, that a lot of people have pointed

00:58:03.780 out that the Marine over there who was arrested for, yes, it was arrested for a possible espionage,

00:58:10.760 that kind of thing. Who knows what kind of truth there is behind that. But, but, you know, it's very

00:58:15.220 obvious that the United States had its priority and it chose, you know, someone who ticked all the

00:58:20.000 right progressive boxes and had the right politics and had the right social status before it chose somebody

00:58:24.920 who, you know, served their country honorably. So. Yeah. I, my friend was asking me what I thought

00:58:31.540 about this and, you know, I call me nostalgic, but I always think it's good to get American citizens

00:58:38.020 back. And I always wanted her to come back, even though she is kind of made known that she doesn't

00:58:44.060 really appreciate the country in which she lives. And she believes people like her oppressed in the

00:58:48.460 United States. And I still thought, okay, she's an American citizen. We should do everything that we

00:58:53.520 can to get her back as well as all other American citizens. However, I also think that it is a bad

00:59:01.020 deal. It's a great deal for Russia. It helps in so many ways. It makes Joe Biden look weak that he

00:59:07.640 would get this kind of person for the kind of person that they wanted, this arms dealer that is

00:59:12.580 responsible for thousands and thousands of deaths around the world, including Americans. And they also,

00:59:18.460 I think, picked a person that they knew was going to stoke the culture war. I mean,

00:59:23.060 they got a black woman on drug charges. And so you're going to have a lot of people on the left

00:59:28.300 say that it's because of racism, that this is the plight of black people around the world.

00:59:32.660 Then you're going to have people on the right and say, oh, you know, she didn't care about America.

00:59:36.780 She didn't stand for the anthem. And so you've got that culture war going on, which is something that

00:59:42.080 Russia, since its Soviet days, has tried to stoke. They have pumped propaganda into the American system to

00:59:48.200 try to create that division. So they accomplished that. They've got Russian media now saying,

00:59:53.660 oh, this poor white heterosexual Marine committed the crime of not being intersectional enough.

01:00:00.160 And that's why he wasn't, you know, taken back. And so they are using this to stoke the flames of

01:00:07.560 division in the United States. And of course, then they get someone who is going to be very helpful

01:00:12.820 to them in this war against Ukraine. And so it's losing on all sides for America. But

01:00:21.280 the Biden administration doesn't see it that way. Let's play that clip from the press secretary.

01:00:28.460 On a personal note, Britney is more than an athlete, more than an Olympian. She is an important role

01:00:34.700 model and inspiration to millions of Americans, particularly the LGBTQI plus Americans and women

01:00:42.320 of color. She should never have been detained by Russia.

01:00:47.980 All right. So, I mean, they're just they're just saying it. I mean, this is part of why I think

01:00:53.720 she was chosen. This is also it's not because she's an American citizen. It's not because she's a human

01:00:58.240 being made in the image of God. It's because she takes all of these identity boxes that apparently this

01:01:03.300 is important. And they're saying, you know, it was Greiner or no one. That was, you know, the deal that

01:01:10.040 we had. But MSNBC, they wrote a story saying it was Greiner, Whalen or no one. And then they changed

01:01:17.620 it without saying that they changed it. And they said, actually, it was either Greiner or no one.

01:01:23.520 So I don't even know what was right. I would not be surprised at all if they had the option to get

01:01:28.640 Paul Whalen. But they knew that this was going to help with progressive activists getting this

01:01:33.620 person. So I don't know.

01:01:36.640 Yeah. I mean, this is something we see constantly, right? This shouldn't be a surprise at all. This is a choice

01:01:40.760 that our leaders make on a very regular basis. They announce it constantly. Having all of these

01:01:45.820 different descriptors puts you to the front of the line. There's a reason I said aristocracy, because

01:01:50.460 that's exactly what it is. People who have specific privileges based on innate traits. And that's

01:01:55.360 very, they're, they're not hesitant to make it very clear from the podium of the White House press

01:01:59.500 room, who gets those benefits and who doesn't. Yeah. Okay. Last thing that I meant to ask you

01:02:05.080 during the Yul Roth conversation. So a meme that you post a lot is from the Simpsons. And it's the

01:02:14.500 bus driver saying, don't make me tap the sign. And then your meme says, it's not, you know, it's not

01:02:21.140 that complicated. I don't have it in front of me. It's not that complicated. They just want to

01:02:23.940 diddle kids. And basically like you're talking about all of these real groomers, whether they're

01:02:30.060 in school, whether they're politicians, like Scott Wiener out of California, you were referring to

01:02:35.120 in this tweet, Yul Roth. And so now a lot of people think it's, it's deeper than that, that it's not

01:02:42.260 just them wanting to molest children. But your point has been, no, it's basically just because they want

01:02:48.100 to molest children. So break it down for us.

01:02:51.060 So it's not that people aren't right that those things exist. It's funny because there's a guy

01:02:55.360 who did a thread on Twitter.

01:02:58.140 Josh Dawes. Yes. And I'm, I'm a big fan of him. And I thought that he made a lot of good points,

01:03:03.120 but I did see your.

01:03:04.420 But, but it's funny that actually Josh specifically came back and later said, actually, I agree with

01:03:09.340 you now. Like he actually told me and actually me and him and I talk now.

01:03:13.260 He's a great guy.

01:03:14.040 He is. Yeah. And, and, and he specifically said, actually, now I see your point. Um, but,

01:03:18.240 but it's all the points he made are correct, right? These are, this is an ideology meant

01:03:24.280 to separate children from the authority of their parents to create an excuse for the state

01:03:29.220 to intervene in the underworkings of families, to create political foot soldiers by separating

01:03:36.820 children from the values of their parents early on. So they can be indoctrinated and put under

01:03:41.320 the auspices of the party. All of this is true, right? That's all correct. But also there is a

01:03:47.980 very real and ugly part of this that no one wants to look at. And I don't blame it. I, this is not

01:03:52.660 what I want to focus on. This is not something, if you look at, you know, my YouTube channel,

01:03:56.560 the things I've written, I've only done a couple of videos, a couple, you know, an article or two on

01:04:00.100 this stuff, but we can't lie about what's happening here, right? These people are constantly, again,

01:04:06.120 that consent-based morality, right? If we can just lower the age of consent, right? For puberty

01:04:12.180 blockers and for, you know, transition surgeries and for separating yourself from the authority of

01:04:17.440 your parents, then guess what? There's no one around to protect you from what comes next, right?

01:04:21.700 And the, and there are, have been many people in the left that they don't talk about very

01:04:26.040 much anymore who were core parts of, of their theorists, people like Michelle Foucault,

01:04:31.400 who specifically went out of their way to advocate for the abolition of, of, of this prohibition,

01:04:39.140 right? And so, um, I don't think this is, I don't think the majority of the people pushing this stuff

01:04:44.020 down have that goal, but I think a, a large percentage do, or I shouldn't say a large percent,

01:04:49.920 I should, a certain percentage do. And the grooming tag was so devastating because it was correct.

01:04:55.720 It correctly described what was happening. Even if the people pushing the gender ideology do not

01:04:59.840 have the intention of abusing a child, they are preparing that child for abuse because anybody

01:05:05.160 who's looked into sex trafficking, any of this stuff knows the first thing people who want to

01:05:09.420 sex traffic minors do is expose them to sexuality too young, right? And this is, and that's the program.

01:05:15.920 That's what this stuff does is it pushes the stuff down on kids who are not psychologically or

01:05:21.480 emotionally prepared for and should not ever have to be at this age. And it makes them easier

01:05:27.160 victims for people who are interested in predation. Yep. And they call it comprehensive sex education

01:05:31.780 and they say they're doing it for the protection of these children. And I've had someone who used to

01:05:37.280 work for Planned Parenthood as a comprehensive sex educator on this podcast. And she basically said,

01:05:42.460 look, we were telling nine-year-olds basically how to have sex and how to engage in sex. They

01:05:47.560 weren't thinking about that before. We were telling ourselves that they're already thinking

01:05:51.680 about it. They're already doing it, kind of like what Joel Roth argued. Yeah. But they weren't. They

01:05:58.580 actually weren't. In a lot of cases, they were looking for ways not to be involved sexually because

01:06:03.260 they felt pressure from outside forces. And so it's just all a big constructed lie to, at the end of

01:06:11.180 the day, make children pray. So I agree with you on that. Man, I could talk to you for a lot longer,

01:06:18.640 but unfortunately, we're out of time. So let's end this and you'll come back on and we'll talk about

01:06:23.980 a lot more things. But let's end this telling everyone where they can find your show, how they

01:06:28.980 can follow you and read your writings and all that good stuff. Absolutely. So I obviously just joined up

01:06:34.500 with The Blaze here. And so I'm writing on a weekly basis for The Blaze. You can see my op-eds

01:06:39.340 there. And then I also now have a podcast with The Blaze. So, you know, if you want to go over

01:06:44.700 there, subscribe on Apple or Spotify or any of those major platforms. Is it the Oren McIntyre show?

01:06:48.660 Yes, the Oren McIntyre show. And, you know, the old rate and subscribe and everything. I really

01:06:53.780 appreciate that because getting started, a lot of people have already been excited about it. So

01:06:57.640 it's been really great to see that support. And then I have my YouTube channel, which is where

01:07:02.000 I kind of got started with all my video essays and all that stuff will be still go up there.

01:07:06.120 I'll still do my live streams and my video essays and everything I do there. And then,

01:07:10.460 you know, we're talking about more here, what will be coming next. But those are the main

01:07:15.140 places. And then, of course, the Twitter account, Oren McIntyre as well.

01:07:18.380 Okay. Awesome. Thanks so much.

01:07:20.280 No, thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 12, 2022

Ep 722 ｜ The Death of Democracy & the Birth of Twitter 2.0 ｜ Guest： Auron MacIntyre

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