Ep 737 ｜ Jackie Hill Perry Renounces the Enneagram
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Summary
We have a new Speaker of the House, and a new minority leader in the House who decided to take the Bible out of context to support the Democratic platform. Also, Jackie Hill Perry says she is now against the Enneagram because it is the wisdom of demons.
Transcript
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Democrats also have a new minority leader in the House who decided to take the Bible
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out of context to support the Democratic platform.
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Also, Jackie Hill Perry, author and evangelist, says that she is now against the Enneagram
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We've got a couple other things to talk about, a viral tweet by someone who says that he
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Also, we'll be analyzing some outfits from the Golden Globes last night because why not?
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So thanks for joining this episode of Relatable.
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We were on our temporary set yesterday, but you might have noticed it was a little dark
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I've avoided it for the past two days because I just haven't been ready.
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My break over Christmas and New Year was like being in a warm bed of ignorance, not paying
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And now I've turned the lights on and I've gotten out of bed and I'm looking at this speaker race.
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And I'm finally going to talk about it just a little bit.
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And then we'll get on to all the like fun culture war type thing.
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So let's just talk a little bit about the Speaker of the House.
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And I want to react to a video that I saw going around on Twitter of the minority leader in
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the House, Hakeem Jeffries, who is the leader of the Democrats, taking the Bible out of context
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in just a ridiculous and I think very blasphemous in evil fashion.
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But first, let me just summarize exactly what happened with Kevin McCarthy.
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You can get a lot more in-depth analysis from other commentators who were following this
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Really, if you just search for this on Twitter, you can see a lot of explanations for what was
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But basically, Kevin McCarthy, he's a representative Republican from California and he was the nominee,
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the person up for the job of Speaker of the House, because Republicans are in the majority
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So when you're in the majority in the House, you get to decide who the Speaker of the House,
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And so this is let me just explain to you the process a little bit.
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According to Voice of America, it's a state owned news network, international radio broadcaster
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So obviously, you always take that with a grain of salt.
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But this is just an explanation of the process.
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So in the weeks after an election, the Republican conference and the Democratic caucus hold an
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informal vote among their members to decide who they want to nominate to lead their party
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Representative Kevin McCarthy won the majority of the Republican vote in a closed-door November
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Weeks later, Democrats unanimously chose Representative Hakeem Jeffries to become their leader as the
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Democrats were in the majority slightly in the House.
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Then after November elections, now Republicans are in the majority in the House.
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Once the House is in a quorum, meaning the minimum number of members are present to proceed,
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the Speaker nominee from each party will be read aloud by the respective leaders before a roll
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The clerk then appoints lawmakers from each party as tellers to tally the votes.
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The candidate to become Speaker needs a majority of the votes from House members who are present
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and voting. Historically, the magical number has been 218 out of the 435 members of the House.
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But many previous speakers, including outgoing Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have ascended to the position
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As some members voted present instead of calling out a name, every lawmaker voting present lowers
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So when it came to Kevin McCarthy, usually this is kind of a cut and dry process.
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But with Kevin McCarthy, this went through 15 rounds of votes to get him to that 218.
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For 14 rounds of votes, McCarthy did not receive the backing of enough colleagues.
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And yet there was a minority of Republicans who were saying, I don't want to vote for Kevin
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McCarthy because they said, I don't think he's going to be conservative enough.
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And look, we've got some demands before he can win our vote.
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A lot of people said this was obstructionist and they were just getting in the way.
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And I think they were even referred to in like very pejorative terms, like they were terrorizing
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the House of Representatives by not simply supporting Kevin McCarthy.
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Interestingly, Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of the loudest backers of Kevin McCarthy, which
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typically she is kind of seen as an oppositional minority in the House trying to kind of pull
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it in a more, I guess you would say conservative direction.
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But people like Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert and others were saying, you know what, I'm not
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And people like Chip Roy, I have a lot of respect for Representative Chip Roy.
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From Texas, he had some demands before he would vote for McCarthy.
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Ultimately, McCarthy did get enough votes to become Speaker of the House.
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The opposing members who said we're not going to vote for him unless some things are agreed
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They wanted to see less government spending, they said, more power to them, less power for
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There was also just some like mistrust and personality differences, says NPR.
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There were some major concessions made by McCarthy to get the votes needed for him to become
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A promise for votes on a balanced budget amendment, term limits and a Texas border plan.
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A new committee to investigate the government using the FBI against political rivals.
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You've probably heard of like a church committee that has nothing to do with church, the religious
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It has to do with the kind of committee going back several decades, looking into what the
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How are they really doing their jobs or is the corruption just as deep as we think it
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So rather than these omnibus bills that these Congress people don't have time to read and
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the American people certainly don't have time or the ability to read.
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A 72 hour window for representatives to read bills before voting.
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A promise to refuse any increase in the debt ceiling in the next federal budget.
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Another concession was a bill to abolish the IRS and eliminate income tax.
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So, I mean, obviously this does not mean that all of these bills will ultimately become
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law because we don't have the majority in the Senate.
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Obviously, we don't have a Republican in the White House.
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But look, these Republicans in Congress are simply trying to put forth good legislation
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or a promise that they will be able to put forth good legislation.
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Who looks for more transparency and less power to bureaucracy?
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I mean, how is it even a partisan issue, single issue bills?
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You only want those omnibus bills if you're trying to get things through that you know
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They might be good for you, but they're probably not good for your constituents.
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Well, the American people benefit anyway from single issue bills and the 72 hour window for
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representatives to read the bills before voting.
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So I know a lot of people had a problem with this so-called obstruction.
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But if these were the concessions that were made by Kevin McCarthy to try to break down
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that obstruction, then I would say that that was a really good strategy.
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So there has been a positive development this week after all of that happened.
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And one of the new Republican House majority's first legislative moves on Monday, the body passed
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a bill rescinding $72 billion in spending on 87,000 new IRS agents.
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House Resolution 23, or the Family and Small Business Taxpayer Protection Act, passed the
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lower chamber in a 221-210 vote-along party lines.
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Obviously, we don't really have the numbers right now.
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And like I said, we don't have the White House in order to pass all the laws that we want
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to or pass all the bills that we want to since they become law.
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However, it's good to see this kind of movement in the House under Kevin McCarthy's leadership.
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Let's hope that they keep on moving the window over by pushing the kind of legislation that
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actually represents the interest and the security of the American people.
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What'll be interesting is how this House under Kevin McCarthy's leadership handles issues like
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He has been traditionally a pretty big supporter of supporting Ukraine financially.
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Now, I just saw a clip this morning that Ukraine is apparently training their forces
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So we are spending lots and lots and lots and lots of resources on this country who most
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And a lot of people hadn't even heard of before last year.
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However, while our own country is really struggling, certainly in the cities that are run by Democrats,
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It's interesting, again, that so many of our leaders are more interested in the sovereignty
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and the security of a foreign country than they are of our own country.
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And some people might say, well, you can do both.
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I hope that Kevin McCarthy's leadership is good.
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And I hope we can move forward in a way that actually benefits the American people.
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I want to play this little clip of the minority leader of the Democrats, Hakeem Jeffries, using
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OK, so let me play this clip, the short clip from a speech by Hakeem Jeffries, again, Democratic
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representative, very far left Democratic representative, by the way, who is now the House
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Here's what he's got to say about the mission of the Democratic Party.
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Now, the scripture says in Galatians, let us not become weary in doing good, for at the
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proper time, we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
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Over the last two years, House Democrats, in partnership with President Biden and our
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colleagues in the Senate, have been hard at work on behalf of the American people, getting
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President Biden gets the job done and the D in Democrat stands for deliver.
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This is something that you see from Democrats a lot.
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This is something that you see from those who identify as progressive Christians or Democrat
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Christians a lot, using the Bible for their political means, even as they are turning to
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the right, pointing their finger and saying that we are Christian nationalists.
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Because we have or are striving for a biblical worldview that informs our politics and our views
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Yet when they decontextualize Bible verses to support things like genital mutilation for
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children who think that they're the opposite sex or the dismemberment of babies inside the
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womb, apparently that's wholesome and that's well and good.
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So he is using Galatians 6 there as Paul is speaking to the church at Galatia and admonishing
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And let me just give you a little context because I do think it's interesting.
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But let me read you the verses surrounding that.
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Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches.
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For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption.
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But the one who sows to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life.
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For in due season we will reap if we do not give up.
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So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone and especially to those who
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So he's not primarily talking about politics here.
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I'm not saying that we can't apply Bible verses to politics or to these culture wars.
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Of course, I do that often where it is appropriate to do.
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But he is certainly not talking about what the Democratic Party stands for.
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And that's not me to say that the Republican Party is the godly party and that Republicans
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But simply looking at the platform of the Democratic Party, what it stands for when it comes to
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sex, sexuality, the family, gender, abortion, those things alone, which as I've said many
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times are Genesis 1 issues, they go all the way back to the first chapter of the first book
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of the Bible, the Democratic Party officially and systematically perverts the natural order
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and breeds chaos and disorder everywhere they lead.
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I mean, look at every single city that is run by Democrats.
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You see chaos, you see disorder, you see misery, you see dirtiness, and you see people suffering
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from the corruption and the bad and the misguided policies of progressivism.
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I don't know how that qualifies in any sense, certainly not in any biblical sense, as good.
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He says the Democrats are going to continue doing good.
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Good for people who become victims of the criminals who are continually let out of jail
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because of progressive criminal justice policies in these cities that are run by Democrats.
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Certainly not good according to the God who created the very order that Democrats are constantly
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And so, I mean, I would love to have Representative Jeffries on this podcast,
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But I'm not sure that we would be able to find kind of any form of commonality or agreement
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because it seems like we are starting from a totally opposing premise of who God is and
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who is in charge and what human beings are and why we matter and what the role of the state
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is versus the role of the church and the role of the family.
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The differences between the parties really are not just policy.
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They come down to very fundamental ideas, again, of who made us, who is in charge, what
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And that is why we are continually polarized, not because our arguments or our differences
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become more complex, but actually because they have become so fundamental.
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And I thought his speech was a really good example of that.
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It comes down to our definitions of what good is.
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He says Democrats are going to continue doing good.
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Before we get into our next story about this tweet that was going viral and my reaction
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to it, I just wanted to take a little lighthearted break and look at some of the attire that was
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Now, if you're like me, you don't really care about the celebrity world or anything that
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they say and do, but come on, it's like a little fun.
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I don't know if these are, I haven't seen them.
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If they're outlandish outfits or if they're cool, if I'm supposed to rate them, I might
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Brie picked it out or picked these outfits out.
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So you should probably watch this on YouTube so you can give your commentary too and let me
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And she was also in Homeland and I think she presented an award.
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Yeah, Dylan says it kind of looks like toilet paper.
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It kind of just looks like whipped cream on a dress.
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She's very, she's like very beautiful and I think very classy.
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I think the shape, like an empire waist is hard to do also if you're not pregnant.
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But yeah, I wouldn't have picked this because she's like very beautiful.
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And also the color is, that would be like a hard color for me because I'm blonde and I'm pale
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On the scale of pretty, we'll say pretty is a 10.
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I think, are these all ones that you did not like?
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When they're, if they're tasteful, but this is just, this is just a lot.
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She's the one who like bragged about her abortions.
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She said, I wouldn't have won this award had I not.
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So she just kind of has bad discernment all around.
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And I do wonder what is with these like blonde, fair skinned women wearing beige.
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I can't see her shoes, but they look maybe like they're cute.
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I feel like you should wear a long dress for these kind of awards.
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I'm not really a feather person, but I guess kind of like ruffles that can be done well,
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I don't think that's the correct pronoun for her, but.
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And I just didn't really know what was going on here.
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I mean, not in like black tuxedos, but yeah, they dress very ambiguous.
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If people are just listening to this, it's like a suit.
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I think it's a skirt, but it's also like a very oversized coat, and it looks like a purple
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Um, I would also dye her hair probably, maybe brown.
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But, uh, I think it's a good like shape on her.
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Like she looks very pretty, but no, I, and I don't, I don't like these ruffles at all.
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I honestly maybe prefer a Claire Danes is to this.
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So do you think Bree that or Kayla or Dylan, when celebrities are picking out these outfits
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that they are doing it, that they pick out outfits that they really like, or do they,
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do you think that they pick out ones that are just like interesting or quirky or make
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It probably depends on the, on the celebrity, but I think a lot of times they're like matched
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with a designer and the designer just puts them in whatever.
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I'm sure they have a say, but yeah, I feel like a lot of times they just kind of wear
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I mean, she like could wear, I would say that she could wear like anything and that she would
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look gorgeous, but this just doesn't look like it fits her.
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So people who can't see it, it's like an orange.
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I'm sure it's like an orange design, but it does look like an orange picture.
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It kind of looks like those like funny shirts that people wear with like someone else's like
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She could have worn so many things that would look so pretty on her.
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So, yeah, this is like all this is like a one for me.
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We got Margot Robbie for number seven, who I think is beautiful always.
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I think this was on theme with her movie Babylon, which I haven't seen, but she plays like a
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But the fringe at the bottom just is a little too much.
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It's like kind of like modest, which I'm sure she's not necessarily trying to do.
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I think I would also prefer it to not have that fringe all the way to the bottom.
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That's actually one of my favorite directors who's doing it.
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So I wanted to talk about this Jackie Hill Perry video that she posted on her Instagram
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Now, sadly, I did not get to see this Instagram story myself because Jackie Hill Perry blocked
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We do have some disagreements, and I'm pretty sure that she blocked me before I ever even
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talked about any of these disagreements publicly.
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But I do disagree with her when it comes to many of the statements that she has made
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And I've talked about those disagreements on this podcast.
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You can go back and listen to a couple of those episodes, or just you can probably deduce
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based on the things that I have said and based on the things that she has said.
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But I continue to respect her bringing of the gospel.
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And I hope and pray that God continues to increase her ministry and that people come to know Christ
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So I really don't feel any kind of personal resentment, animus at all towards her.
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I don't know if she would say the same since she blocked me on social media.
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And even though we do have some serious disagreements, I am thankful that she is publicly talking about
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something that I have talked about for a few years.
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And not just me, but many Christians have been talking about for several years.
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And that is the potential pitfalls of the Enneagram.
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And she said that I was really skeptical and have been for some years when people were saying
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that the Enneagram was demonic because I do feel like sometimes people can be way too deep.
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But the Lord prompted me to study that thing for a good two days.
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So one of the dudes who is the originator of the contemporary understanding of the Enneagram
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as we know it, he said that he got his information about it from an angelic visitation from a spirit
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or divine being named Metatron, which we know is a demon.
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And then the other guy who created the types, he said on YouTube that he got his understanding
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of the wisdom of types through automatic writing, which is a form of channeling spirits where
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a demon basically guides your hand or guides your mind to help you write down certain ideas.
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So when we say, oh, I'm type one, type two, type three, whatever, we are literally applying
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to our identity the quote unquote wisdom of demons.
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I've talked about Enneagram on several occasions.
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And so part of me feels a responsibility to renounce it publicly and to bring attention
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So I am very glad that she is talking about this.
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And this really does go all the way back to the 19th century when there was very much a
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boom of psychology, psychiatry and new age beliefs and Eastern mysticism that eventually
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moved its way to the West and has really stayed here and grown here, has paired itself with
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capitalism and self-help and the prosperity gospel and has really just kind of grabbed
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And I would say especially women in a lot of ways.
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The Enneagram, like she said, was created by someone who claims that he got the vision
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And the people who propagate it to this day, like Richard Rohr, who is a Franciscan friar, who
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is not a Christian in any real sense of the word, he does not believe that Jesus is the
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way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through him.
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Like he has talked about the kind of contemplative attributes of the Enneagram and how there is
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kind of a spiritual side of it that really has nothing to do with Christian spirituality,
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but is really more mystic and Gnostic and New Age spirituality.
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I was not the first person to talk about it, so I don't want it to seem like I'm claiming
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that I was the first person to criticize the Enneagram.
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It has been several years, but there were people who for several years before me had been
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talking about it and had received a lot of criticism for it.
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And I still get a lot of pushback from people saying, well, it's helped me.
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Jackie Hill Perry even said, like, I think people go too deep with stuff, which I agree.
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I do think some people take some things too seriously and they see something.
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They see it like something spiritual and things that are not necessarily evil or dark or something
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However, when it comes to this and you really are talking about an inspiration from a demonic
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vision, I do think that that should give Christians pause to say, well, like maybe this isn't the
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wisdom that I'm really looking for, or maybe this isn't the place that I should go to who
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I am not discounting the possibility that the Enneagram has helped you in some way, but I
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am saying that it is not going to be the solution to your problems that you are looking for, just
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They don't all have the same kind of new age origin, but they do all have kind of the
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The temptation to focus too much on ourselves, too much on our quirks, too much on our characteristics,
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to try to say the things that are really sin and are really unholy and are really bad parts
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of ourselves or just kind of quirky and unique parts of our personality that people just need
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I think it can make us focus less on being sanctified to become like Christ and to embody
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the fruit of the spirit and more to become the best version of the one with the two wing or whatever
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our Enneagram is or otter or INFG, whatever it is.
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So I think that they can, some of these, without the demonic origin of them, although they do
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all kind of have this like psychiatry, pseudo-spiritual innocence background, I think that they can possibly
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be a tool to kind of help you understand what your strengths and weaknesses are and how God
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made you, but they cannot be relied on for self-understanding.
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They cannot be relied on for you to understand your spouse.
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They cannot be relied on to understand your friends because all of us, whether you're a
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one or a nine or an otter or a beaver, we are all called to be like Christ.
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We are all called to embody love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, goodness,
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And you are not more called to those things if you are a naturally loyal and gentle person.
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You are not less called to those things if you're a naturally boisterous person.
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Yes, God has given us all unique capabilities and unique characteristics.
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That's part of being one member of the body of Christ.
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You might be a foot of the body of Christ, like we read about this in scripture, how all
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We all need one another and we all have our specific capabilities and gifts that God has
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Ephesians talks about this as well, that God has given us all our specific spiritual gifts
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It is not for the purpose simply of self-fulfillment and self-understanding and liberating your true
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self because you finally understand your Enneagram type.
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So that's why I think personality tests in general, no matter what their origin is, while
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some of them can be useful tools, I think they can also become a distraction from focusing
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We do not have a problem as a society with self-love and self-focus.
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We hear constantly that if everyone just loved themselves more, if everyone just understood
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themselves more, if everyone just thought about themselves more and pursued what they
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want more and focused more on their own happiness and prioritize their well-being first, then
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We do not have a deficit of self-love, self-affection, self-affirmation, self-understanding, self-seeking
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It's actually that we focus on ourselves way too much.
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Like, I mean, all of our algorithms and all of our social media apps are perfectly tailored
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to not every, not only every interest you have, but every interest you possibly could
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have based on what you are thinking and what you looked at for a second too long on TikTok,
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I'm just not sure that Christians need to be adding one more thing to help us think about
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Like, what if really the exercise we need to be doing to help us cultivate joy is to focus
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outside of ourselves, to understand who God is and why he made us, why we're here, who
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Like, what if we should be looking outside of ourselves for the love and the joy and the
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What if it's actually a lot more simple than personality tests and the Enneagram tell us
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What if it's not so complicated to study in something like that with nine types?
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Like, what if we already have the roadmap in Christ?
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Like, what if we already have everything we need to understand human nature, to understand
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ourselves and to understand other people in God, in scripture?
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Again, there are good supplementary books, obviously, and good supplementary tools to all
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But are they necessary to knowing ourselves, if that's even a worthy goal?
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Is it necessary to living a life of fulfillment and joy and working well with other people?
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Like, that we don't have to figure out the next personality test or understand our type perfectly
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or anything like that in order to really live well?
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But it's not necessary and sometimes can even be a distraction to actually living a fulfilling
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Because we already know, we already know that we are new creations in Christ if, indeed, by
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And so we already know what our identity is and isn't that good news?
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So maybe let's take a deep breath and stop focusing so much on ourselves because I actually
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think that that self-obsession is making us more miserable rather than less.
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So there was this viral tweet that was going on.
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It was originally tweeted, I saw by, let's see, is this the name of it?
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I thought it was, yeah, it's Raw Egg Nationalist who originally tweeted this.
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And he said, say what you want about Reddit, but it's an amazing tool for peering into people's
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And I see a lot of these posts because I follow a lot of these accounts that repost these kinds
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And it really is an interesting look into especially the men who want to identify as women into their
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So this person says, holy expletive, I hate cis women.
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So cis women, if you don't know, that means cis gender.
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So that means women who are actually women, who were born women, you know, have the right chromosomes,
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There's no such thing, of course, as a cis woman, because there's no such thing as a trans woman.
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That is determined at the point of conception based on your chromosomes.
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That is an anomaly and a disorder that does not rewrite the rule of sex.
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And gender has nothing to do with transgender, actually.
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So this person says, I'm at a restaurant right now, supposed to be a date.
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But of expletive course, the cis woman I was speaking to, women, I think it means woman,
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She learned I was trans, which happened, expletive, whatever.
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But what's driving me expletive bonkers is the table next to me.
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Three girls, all early 20s, slim, bubbly, sundresses, talking about nails and boyfriends
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and sex, all just basking in the femininity that I've spent my life and my savings just trying
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It's just salt on the wound after being stood up by one of their kind.
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I expletive hate them so much and they don't even know it.
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They'll never, ever know the struggle women like us have to go through just to feel like
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So now I'm stuck here listening to them laughing and chatting about their perfect lives and
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throwing back Bombay gin until I can drive home good and trashed.
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I really hope that that person doesn't drive drunk and hurt himself or the other people
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I see this in a lot of I see this kind of thing in a lot of posts where you've got these
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men who say that they want to be women who are really they say they're really jealous
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And they're like, oh, I'll never truly be like that.
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So part of that is clear thinking that they understand that they will never fully be perceived
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as women, which is true, and that that's just not going to happen because that's simply
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But the delusional part is that they think it's everyone else's fault, that everyone
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should just perceive them as girls, as women, because that is simply what they want to be.
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The no matter how many times you try to push it under the water, you can use all of your
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force and it's still going to come back up to the surface.
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It's just it just cannot be ever fully or fundamentally diminished.
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And that is what seems to torture these people.
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However, I do think that this jealousy and this hatred of women actually probably predates
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these people thinking that they are transgender, thinking that they are the opposite sex.
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I would say that's probably actually what inspires some of it, that it probably actually came
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from a place of resentment and bitterness and hatred and jealousy first.
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And then maybe it was something like if you can't beat them, join them.
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I think a lot of these guys probably dealt with confusion, some of them abuse, some of them
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And that kind of hurt probably led to this attempt to don a new identity to become a woman.
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But I think a lot of the hatred for women that you see and a lot of the confusion also that
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Like as we've talked about several times with Genevieve Gluck, that this phenomenon of men,
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of boys trying to become women, a lot of it is inspired by dark, dark crevices of the
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And pornography also breeds the hatred and the objectification of women, demeaning and
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And so that's where I think a lot of this comes from.
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I think a lot of these young men, they hate women for a variety of reasons, one of them
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And that also is what kind of pushes them to try to take on these new identities, because
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that is also depicted in dark crevices of pornography.
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So, I mean, there is a reason why women say it's really important to stand up for our privacy
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and for our rights and for our protection and why it is important to have sex exclusive
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And unfortunately, it's not going that direction in a lot of ways.
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But when this is, again, a very common attitude and a very common post, I'm not saying all
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men who identify as women feel like this, but this is very common.
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That should wake people up to say, OK, this is not just some innocent movement of people
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And the result of that, of mixing that kind of person with women in private and vulnerable
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That's why you have the stories that you do of men in women's prisons who identify as
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This is not a safe movement for women and for girls.
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I think that we know that that's a that's a major understatement.
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There were a few more things that we wanted to talk about, but we're already almost at
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We've got a lot of good stuff that we're going to talk about tomorrow, too.
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I'm going to give you my the voicemail number for Relatable.
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We'll take some voicemails and maybe we'll read them.
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We'll read them in a maybe tomorrow or maybe next week as a segment.
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I don't even know what I'm going to ask you to say, though.
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And so we'll have to wade through the voicemails that you guys send and pick the ones that we