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- January 11, 2023
Ep 737 | Jackie Hill Perry Renounces the Enneagram
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Well, we've got a new Speaker of the House.
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Democrats also have a new minority leader in the House who decided to take the Bible
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out of context to support the Democratic platform.
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We'll finally be talking about all of that.
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Also, Jackie Hill Perry, author and evangelist, says that she is now against the Enneagram
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because it is the wisdom of demons.
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We've got a couple other things to talk about, a viral tweet by someone who says that he
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hates, quote unquote, cis women.
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Also, we'll be analyzing some outfits from the Golden Globes last night because why not?
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So thanks for joining this episode of Relatable.
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Here we go.
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All right, guys, welcome to Relatable.
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Happy Wednesday.
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Yes, it's Wednesday, halfway through the week.
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We're on our temporary set.
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We were on our temporary set yesterday, but you might have noticed it was a little dark
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on the set.
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And now we have more light.
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Doesn't it look so good?
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All right.
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We are going to get into some politics today.
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I've avoided it for the past two days because I just haven't been ready.
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My break over Christmas and New Year was like being in a warm bed of ignorance, not paying
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attention to what was going on in Washington.
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And now I've turned the lights on and I've gotten out of bed and I'm looking at this speaker race.
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And I'm finally going to talk about it just a little bit.
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And then we'll get on to all the like fun culture war type thing.
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So let's just talk a little bit about the Speaker of the House.
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And I want to react to a video that I saw going around on Twitter of the minority leader in
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the House, Hakeem Jeffries, who is the leader of the Democrats, taking the Bible out of context
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in just a ridiculous and I think very blasphemous in evil fashion.
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But first, let me just summarize exactly what happened with Kevin McCarthy.
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You can get a lot more in-depth analysis from other commentators who were following this
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closely.
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Really, if you just search for this on Twitter, you can see a lot of explanations for what was
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happening and why.
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But basically, Kevin McCarthy, he's a representative Republican from California and he was the nominee,
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the person up for the job of Speaker of the House, because Republicans are in the majority
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in the House.
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So when you're in the majority in the House, you get to decide who the Speaker of the House,
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who the leader of the House is.
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And so this is let me just explain to you the process a little bit.
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According to Voice of America, it's a state owned news network, international radio broadcaster
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of the U.S., funded by the U.S. government.
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So obviously, you always take that with a grain of salt.
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But this is just an explanation of the process.
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So in the weeks after an election, the Republican conference and the Democratic caucus hold an
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informal vote among their members to decide who they want to nominate to lead their party
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in January.
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Representative Kevin McCarthy won the majority of the Republican vote in a closed-door November
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meeting.
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Weeks later, Democrats unanimously chose Representative Hakeem Jeffries to become their leader as the
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party transitions into the minority.
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Democrats were in the majority slightly in the House.
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Then after November elections, now Republicans are in the majority in the House.
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Once the House is in a quorum, meaning the minimum number of members are present to proceed,
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the Speaker nominee from each party will be read aloud by the respective leaders before a roll
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call vote to elect a new Speaker.
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The clerk then appoints lawmakers from each party as tellers to tally the votes.
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The candidate to become Speaker needs a majority of the votes from House members who are present
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and voting. Historically, the magical number has been 218 out of the 435 members of the House.
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But many previous speakers, including outgoing Speaker Nancy Pelosi, have ascended to the position
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with fewer votes than that.
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As some members voted present instead of calling out a name, every lawmaker voting present lowers
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the overall tally needed to reach a majority.
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So when it came to Kevin McCarthy, usually this is kind of a cut and dry process.
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It happens pretty quickly.
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But with Kevin McCarthy, this went through 15 rounds of votes to get him to that 218.
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For 14 rounds of votes, McCarthy did not receive the backing of enough colleagues.
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He received the backing of 203.
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And yet there was a minority of Republicans who were saying, I don't want to vote for Kevin
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McCarthy because they said, I don't think he's going to be conservative enough.
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And look, we've got some demands before he can win our vote.
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A lot of people said this was obstructionist and they were just getting in the way.
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And I think they were even referred to in like very pejorative terms, like they were terrorizing
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the House of Representatives by not simply supporting Kevin McCarthy.
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Interestingly, Marjorie Taylor Greene was one of the loudest backers of Kevin McCarthy, which
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typically she is kind of seen as an oppositional minority in the House trying to kind of pull
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it in a more, I guess you would say conservative direction.
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But she was a big backer of Kevin McCarthy.
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But people like Matt Gaetz and Lauren Boebert and others were saying, you know what, I'm not
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going to vote for him.
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And people like Chip Roy, I have a lot of respect for Representative Chip Roy.
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From Texas, he had some demands before he would vote for McCarthy.
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Ultimately, McCarthy did get enough votes to become Speaker of the House.
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The opposing members who said we're not going to vote for him unless some things are agreed
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to by him.
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They wanted to see less government spending, they said, more power to them, less power for
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the Speaker.
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There was also just some like mistrust and personality differences, says NPR.
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There were some major concessions made by McCarthy to get the votes needed for him to become
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Speaker of the House.
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Here are some of those.
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A promise for votes on a balanced budget amendment, term limits and a Texas border plan.
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A new committee to investigate the government using the FBI against political rivals.
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You've probably heard of like a church committee that has nothing to do with church, the religious
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institution.
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It has to do with the kind of committee going back several decades, looking into what the
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FBI is actually doing.
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How are they really doing their jobs or is the corruption just as deep as we think it
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is?
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More single subject bills.
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So rather than these omnibus bills that these Congress people don't have time to read and
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the American people certainly don't have time or the ability to read.
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There should be more single subject bills.
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I think that's a great idea.
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A 72 hour window for representatives to read bills before voting.
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Another great idea.
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A promise to refuse any increase in the debt ceiling in the next federal budget.
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Another concession was a bill to abolish the IRS and eliminate income tax.
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So, I mean, obviously this does not mean that all of these bills will ultimately become
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law because we don't have the majority in the Senate.
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Obviously, we don't have a Republican in the White House.
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But look, these Republicans in Congress are simply trying to put forth good legislation
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or a promise that they will be able to put forth good legislation.
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I think it tells you something.
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Republicans versus Democrats.
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Who looks for more transparency and less power to bureaucracy?
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It's always Republicans.
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I mean, how is it even a partisan issue, single issue bills?
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You only want those omnibus bills if you're trying to get things through that you know
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are going to be unpopular.
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They might be good for you, but they're probably not good for your constituents.
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Everyone benefits.
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Well, the American people benefit anyway from single issue bills and the 72 hour window for
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representatives to read the bills before voting.
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So I know a lot of people had a problem with this so-called obstruction.
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But if these were the concessions that were made by Kevin McCarthy to try to break down
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that obstruction, then I would say that that was a really good strategy.
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So there has been a positive development this week after all of that happened.
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This is according to the New York Post.
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And one of the new Republican House majority's first legislative moves on Monday, the body passed
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a bill rescinding $72 billion in spending on 87,000 new IRS agents.
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House Resolution 23, or the Family and Small Business Taxpayer Protection Act, passed the
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lower chamber in a 221-210 vote-along party lines.
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So we'll see what comes of that.
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Obviously, we don't really have the numbers right now.
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We don't have a majority in the Senate.
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And like I said, we don't have the White House in order to pass all the laws that we want
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to or pass all the bills that we want to since they become law.
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However, it's good to see this kind of movement in the House under Kevin McCarthy's leadership.
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Let's hope that they keep on moving the window over by pushing the kind of legislation that
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actually represents the interest and the security of the American people.
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What'll be interesting is how this House under Kevin McCarthy's leadership handles issues like
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Ukraine.
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He has been traditionally a pretty big supporter of supporting Ukraine financially.
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Now, I just saw a clip this morning that Ukraine is apparently training their forces
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in Oklahoma.
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So we are spending lots and lots and lots and lots of resources on this country who most
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that most people can't even point to on a map.
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And a lot of people hadn't even heard of before last year.
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However, while our own country is really struggling, certainly in the cities that are run by Democrats,
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certainly at our own border.
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It's interesting, again, that so many of our leaders are more interested in the sovereignty
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and the security of a foreign country than they are of our own country.
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And some people might say, well, you can do both.
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Sure, you can.
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But we're not.
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That's that's the point.
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We're not.
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There is clearly a priority there.
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So we'll see.
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I hope that Kevin McCarthy's leadership is good.
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I hope it's very conservative.
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And I hope we can move forward in a way that actually benefits the American people.
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All right.
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I want to stay on this for a second.
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I want to play this little clip of the minority leader of the Democrats, Hakeem Jeffries, using
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the Bible to justify what Democrats stand for.
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OK, so let me play this clip, the short clip from a speech by Hakeem Jeffries, again, Democratic
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representative, very far left Democratic representative, by the way, who is now the House
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minority leader.
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Here's what he's got to say about the mission of the Democratic Party.
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Now, the scripture says in Galatians, let us not become weary in doing good, for at the
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proper time, we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
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Over the last two years, House Democrats, in partnership with President Biden and our
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colleagues in the Senate, have been hard at work on behalf of the American people, getting
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big things done.
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President Biden gets the job done and the D in Democrat stands for deliver.
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Now, this is very common.
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This is something that you see from Democrats a lot.
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This is something that you see from those who identify as progressive Christians or Democrat
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Christians a lot, using the Bible for their political means, even as they are turning to
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the right, pointing their finger and saying that we are Christian nationalists.
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Because we have or are striving for a biblical worldview that informs our politics and our views
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on culture.
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Yet when they decontextualize Bible verses to support things like genital mutilation for
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children who think that they're the opposite sex or the dismemberment of babies inside the
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womb, apparently that's wholesome and that's well and good.
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And that's a proper exegesis of scripture.
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So he is using Galatians 6 there as Paul is speaking to the church at Galatia and admonishing
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them to stay true to the true gospel.
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And let me just give you a little context because I do think it's interesting.
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So he quotes Galatians 6, 9.
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But let me read you the verses surrounding that.
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So this is starting in Galatians 6, verse 6.
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Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches.
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Do not be deceived.
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God is not mocked.
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For whatever one sows, that will he also reap.
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Pay close attention now, y'all.
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For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption.
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But the one who sows to the spirit will from the spirit reap eternal life.
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And let us not grow weary of doing good.
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For in due season we will reap if we do not give up.
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So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone and especially to those who
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are of the household of faith.
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So he's not primarily talking about politics here.
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He's not talking about lawmakers.
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I'm not saying that we can't apply Bible verses to politics or to these culture wars.
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Of course, I do that often where it is appropriate to do.
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But he is certainly not talking about what the Democratic Party stands for.
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And that's not me to say that the Republican Party is the godly party and that Republicans
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are all sincere Christians.
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That's not what I'm trying to say.
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But simply looking at the platform of the Democratic Party, what it stands for when it comes to
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sex, sexuality, the family, gender, abortion, those things alone, which as I've said many
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times are Genesis 1 issues, they go all the way back to the first chapter of the first book
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of the Bible, the Democratic Party officially and systematically perverts the natural order
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and breeds chaos and disorder everywhere they lead.
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I mean, look at every single city that is run by Democrats.
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You see chaos, you see disorder, you see misery, you see dirtiness, and you see people suffering
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from the corruption and the bad and the misguided policies of progressivism.
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I don't know how that qualifies in any sense, certainly not in any biblical sense, as good.
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He says the Democrats are going to continue doing good.
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Good for whom?
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Good for the family.
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Good for babies inside the womb.
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Good for people living in border towns.
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Good for people who become victims of the criminals who are continually let out of jail
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because of progressive criminal justice policies in these cities that are run by Democrats.
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Good for whom?
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Certainly not good according to the God who created the very order that Democrats are constantly
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at war against.
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And so, I mean, I would love to have Representative Jeffries on this podcast,
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and we can talk about that specifically.
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But I'm not sure that we would be able to find kind of any form of commonality or agreement
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because it seems like we are starting from a totally opposing premise of who God is and
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who is in charge and what human beings are and why we matter and what the role of the state
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is versus the role of the church and the role of the family.
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The differences between the parties really are not just policy.
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They come down to very fundamental ideas, again, of who made us, who is in charge, what
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humans are, and why we are here.
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And that is why we are continually polarized, not because our arguments or our differences
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become more complex, but actually because they have become so fundamental.
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And I thought his speech was a really good example of that.
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It comes down to our definitions of what good is.
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He says Democrats are going to continue doing good.
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I haven't seen that good.
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All right.
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Before we get into our next story about this tweet that was going viral and my reaction
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to it, I just wanted to take a little lighthearted break and look at some of the attire that was
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worn at the Golden Globes last night.
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Now, if you're like me, you don't really care about the celebrity world or anything that
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they say and do, but come on, it's like a little fun.
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I kind of like seeing what they have to wear.
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So we're just going to look at some outfits.
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I don't know if these are, I haven't seen them.
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If they're outlandish outfits or if they're cool, if I'm supposed to rate them, I might
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just give my commentary on them.
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Brie picked it out or picked these outfits out.
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So we're just going to take a look at them.
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So you should probably watch this on YouTube so you can give your commentary too and let me
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know if you like them or not.
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All right, let's put up the first one.
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Okay, I need some, I need some color, Brie.
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Who is this?
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Is it Claire Danes?
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Yes.
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She's an actress.
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Yes.
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From Romeo plus Juliet with Leonardo DiCaprio.
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Yes.
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And she was also in Homeland and I think she presented an award.
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Okay, so why do we have this one?
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What do you think about it?
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I think it's atrocious.
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You think it's atrocious?
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You do.
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Tell me.
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Yeah, Dylan says it kind of looks like toilet paper.
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It just, that bow, where is that coming from?
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It, I don't know.
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It kind of just looks like whipped cream on a dress.
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It kind of looks like whipped cream.
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She's very, she's like very beautiful and I think very classy.
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I think the shape, like an empire waist is hard to do also if you're not pregnant.
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Yeah.
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Agreed.
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Empire waist is hard.
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So I agree.
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I don't know.
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I don't know if I would say atrocious.
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Brie is a really harsh fashion judge.
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But yeah, I wouldn't have picked this because she's like very beautiful.
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And also the color is, that would be like a hard color for me because I'm blonde and I'm pale
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right now and she's kind of fair too.
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So, okay.
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On the scale of pretty, we'll say pretty is a 10.
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Atrocious is a one.
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Brie says is a one.
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No, I think it's a, I think it's a three.
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Okay.
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Yeah.
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I would probably say three or four too.
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All right.
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Next one.
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Okay.
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I think, are these all ones that you did not like?
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No, no, they're not.
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Okay.
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So what do you think about this?
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But I don't like this one.
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I don't like this one either.
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It's a lot.
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It's a lot.
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Are you a ruffle person?
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I'm not a ruffle person.
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When they're, if they're tasteful, but this is just, this is just a lot.
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Yeah.
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Up top.
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I think mostly up top.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Well, you can't see her body at all.
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So Michelle Williams, also an actress.
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She's the one who like bragged about her abortions.
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Not that long ago.
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Yeah.
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She said, I wouldn't have won this award had I not.
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Killed my child.
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So awful.
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So she just kind of has bad discernment all around.
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Maybe.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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Maybe.
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And I do wonder what is with these like blonde, fair skinned women wearing beige.
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I don't know.
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I guess I've done it.
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I can't see her shoes, but they look maybe like they're cute.
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Maybe it redeems it.
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Maybe.
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Okay.
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I would rate this a two.
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I think this is worse than Claire Danes.
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Yeah.
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Agreed too.
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Okay.
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Does Dylan have any insight?
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No.
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Nothing nice to say.
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Okay.
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Number three.
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You don't like this one either, do you, Bray?
00:20:38.380
It's just very costume.
00:20:41.140
It's like she's on.
00:20:42.120
I don't know.
00:20:42.800
It's like she's a.
00:20:44.100
I feel like you should wear a long dress for these kind of awards.
00:20:47.540
I mean, she's obviously beautiful.
00:20:49.020
She has great legs.
00:20:50.000
Yeah.
00:20:50.240
It's Heidi Klum.
00:20:50.980
She's great.
00:20:51.900
Yeah.
00:20:52.220
Um, yeah, no, don't like it at all.
00:20:54.680
I'm not really a feather person, but I guess kind of like ruffles that can be done well,
00:20:58.540
but I don't like this at all.
00:21:01.440
Yeah.
00:21:01.560
This is a one for me.
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A one.
00:21:03.380
Okay.
00:21:03.780
I'll go.
00:21:04.280
Sure.
00:21:04.880
Solidarity.
00:21:05.200
Maybe I'll go with one.
00:21:06.420
All right.
00:21:06.820
Next one.
00:21:09.360
You don't like this one either.
00:21:11.140
Do you?
00:21:11.400
Well, okay.
00:21:11.700
So this just confused me a little bit.
00:21:13.420
This is Emma Darcy.
00:21:14.600
I don't know who that is.
00:21:15.520
She's in House of the Dragon.
00:21:17.720
I don't think that's the correct pronoun for her, but.
00:21:20.900
Oh, gosh.
00:21:23.040
And, well, yeah.
00:21:25.240
And I just didn't really know what was going on here.
00:21:28.520
So I included it.
00:21:29.200
Does this person always dress like this?
00:21:31.160
I don't know.
00:21:32.140
Yeah.
00:21:32.740
Yes.
00:21:33.160
Kayla says yes.
00:21:34.580
I mean, not in like black tuxedos, but yeah, they dress very ambiguous.
00:21:40.220
Yeah.
00:21:40.540
Ambiguous.
00:21:41.120
Okay.
00:21:41.520
Androgynous.
00:21:42.080
If people are just listening to this, it's like a suit.
00:21:47.060
I think it's a skirt, but it's also like a very oversized coat, and it looks like a purple
00:21:51.880
latex glove and a bow tie.
00:21:56.280
But sparkly shoes.
00:21:57.200
I like the shoes.
00:21:58.400
Sparkly shoes.
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I mean, this is a one or a zero for me.
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Does nothing.
00:22:03.100
I feel like this isn't even on the scale.
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It's not even on the scale.
00:22:06.640
Yeah.
00:22:07.000
Probably just trying to make a statement.
00:22:09.100
Looks scary.
00:22:10.020
Looks like a villain in an 1850s movie.
00:22:13.280
It does.
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Just saying.
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A couple.
00:22:16.080
We have a couple more.
00:22:16.840
Okay.
00:22:17.840
I'm waiting for the one you like, Bree.
00:22:20.580
This is Julia Garner.
00:22:22.160
She's in Ozark.
00:22:23.220
Yes.
00:22:23.840
Yes.
00:22:24.200
I've seen her.
00:22:24.800
Um, you like this one?
00:22:26.440
I do.
00:22:27.820
You do.
00:22:30.080
Do you not?
00:22:31.060
No, I don't.
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One, I don't think it's a good color on her.
00:22:36.600
Um, I would also dye her hair probably, maybe brown.
00:22:40.720
But, uh, I think it's a good like shape on her.
00:22:43.780
Like she looks very pretty, but no, I, and I don't, I don't like these ruffles at all.
00:22:49.380
Wow.
00:22:50.540
I love it.
00:22:51.540
I think it is really flattering.
00:22:53.120
It's so cute.
00:22:53.800
It is flattering.
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I would give it an eight.
00:22:56.160
Wow.
00:22:56.720
Bree.
00:22:59.200
Wow.
00:22:59.820
No, I'm going to go.
00:23:01.900
I honestly maybe prefer a Claire Danes is to this.
00:23:05.500
I would say two or three probably.
00:23:08.520
Wow.
00:23:08.880
So do you think Bree that or Kayla or Dylan, when celebrities are picking out these outfits
00:23:15.580
that they are doing it, that they pick out outfits that they really like, or do they,
00:23:21.920
do you think that they pick out ones that are just like interesting or quirky or make
00:23:25.820
a statement?
00:23:27.360
I think they're picked for them.
00:23:29.720
Yeah.
00:23:30.220
It probably depends on the, on the celebrity, but I think a lot of times they're like matched
00:23:34.920
with a designer and the designer just puts them in whatever.
00:23:38.120
I'm sure they have a say, but yeah, I feel like a lot of times they just kind of wear
00:23:42.900
whatever they're given.
00:23:44.120
Hmm.
00:23:44.640
I think, I don't know.
00:23:45.860
I don't know either.
00:23:47.080
I don't know.
00:23:48.440
Okay.
00:23:48.980
Uh, do we have one more?
00:23:50.280
Yeah.
00:23:50.760
Okay.
00:23:52.020
No, I think we have two more.
00:23:53.580
This is Letitia Wright.
00:23:55.960
She's in Black Panther.
00:23:56.860
Oh my gosh.
00:23:56.880
She's so beautiful.
00:23:58.760
She's gorgeous.
00:23:59.500
She is so beautiful.
00:24:02.100
No, no, no, no.
00:24:05.520
I mean, she like could wear, I would say that she could wear like anything and that she would
00:24:10.400
look gorgeous, but this just doesn't look like it fits her.
00:24:13.040
It looks too big.
00:24:14.160
Yeah.
00:24:14.420
It's kind of potato sacky.
00:24:16.000
Dylan says she looks like a beer glass.
00:24:17.820
I think she looks like an enchilada.
00:24:19.580
Or an enchilada.
00:24:20.380
An enchilada.
00:24:21.540
It does.
00:24:22.040
So people who can't see it, it's like an orange.
00:24:25.760
I'm sure it's like an orange design, but it does look like an orange picture.
00:24:29.320
It kind of looks like those like funny shirts that people wear with like someone else's like
00:24:35.220
beer belly painted on it.
00:24:36.640
That's what it looks like.
00:24:38.380
I mean, she's so pretty.
00:24:39.840
She could have worn so many things that would look so pretty on her.
00:24:44.100
Yeah.
00:24:44.220
I just didn't think it was.
00:24:45.300
I don't think it's it fits very well.
00:24:46.720
Although I do like the shoes.
00:24:47.920
I can tell.
00:24:49.400
Yeah.
00:24:50.300
So, yeah, this is like all this is like a one for me.
00:24:53.280
I'm sorry, Letitia.
00:24:55.860
Okay.
00:24:56.220
We got Margot Robbie for number seven, who I think is beautiful always.
00:25:00.780
Yeah.
00:25:01.100
She's so beautiful.
00:25:03.560
This is okay.
00:25:05.480
I don't know.
00:25:06.880
Maybe five.
00:25:07.760
I think this was on theme with her movie Babylon, which I haven't seen, but she plays like a
00:25:12.760
flapper girl, I guess.
00:25:14.300
Oh, okay.
00:25:15.740
So that might be what this is.
00:25:17.260
But the fringe at the bottom just is a little too much.
00:25:20.260
Too much for you.
00:25:22.620
I think the shape of it is pretty.
00:25:26.160
It's like kind of like modest, which I'm sure she's not necessarily trying to do.
00:25:32.880
Yeah.
00:25:33.420
I think I would also prefer it to not have that fringe all the way to the bottom.
00:25:37.100
Yeah.
00:25:38.120
Yeah.
00:25:38.600
But I would still go to a four or five.
00:25:40.060
I also think she's so pretty.
00:25:41.440
Have we seen the Barbie movie?
00:25:42.640
Has it come out?
00:25:43.400
It hasn't come out yet, but I'm excited.
00:25:45.340
That's actually one of my favorite directors who's doing it.
00:25:47.460
So I'm excited.
00:25:48.280
Oh, really?
00:25:48.620
Yeah.
00:25:48.800
And Ryan Gosling.
00:25:50.200
Yeah.
00:25:50.880
Wow.
00:26:02.500
Okay.
00:26:02.960
So I wanted to talk about this Jackie Hill Perry video that she posted on her Instagram
00:26:08.380
stories.
00:26:08.880
Now, sadly, I did not get to see this Instagram story myself because Jackie Hill Perry blocked
00:26:14.220
me for reasons that I'm not really sure about.
00:26:16.600
She blocked me a while ago.
00:26:18.640
We do have some disagreements, and I'm pretty sure that she blocked me before I ever even
00:26:26.460
talked about any of these disagreements publicly.
00:26:30.160
But I do disagree with her when it comes to many of the statements that she has made
00:26:34.920
on social and so-called racial justice.
00:26:38.780
And I've talked about those disagreements on this podcast.
00:26:41.300
You can go back and listen to a couple of those episodes, or just you can probably deduce
00:26:45.200
based on the things that I have said and based on the things that she has said.
00:26:48.760
But I continue to respect her bringing of the gospel.
00:26:54.040
And I hope and pray that God continues to increase her ministry and that people come to know Christ
00:27:00.100
through her because of the Holy Spirit.
00:27:03.480
So I really don't feel any kind of personal resentment, animus at all towards her.
00:27:11.200
I don't know if she would say the same since she blocked me on social media.
00:27:14.420
But I hope the best for her.
00:27:21.620
And even though we do have some serious disagreements, I am thankful that she is publicly talking about
00:27:28.740
something that I have talked about for a few years.
00:27:32.200
And not just me, but many Christians have been talking about for several years.
00:27:35.920
And that is the potential pitfalls of the Enneagram.
00:27:40.200
She posted on her Instagram story.
00:27:45.040
She says, I'm going to say this.
00:27:48.140
And she said that I was really skeptical and have been for some years when people were saying
00:27:55.780
that the Enneagram was demonic because I do feel like sometimes people can be way too deep.
00:28:00.300
But the Lord prompted me to study that thing for a good two days.
00:28:03.780
Evil.
00:28:04.240
It ain't even funny.
00:28:05.580
Legitimately doctrines of demons.
00:28:07.300
Divination.
00:28:08.240
Witchcraft.
00:28:08.880
I had no idea.
00:28:09.880
No idea.
00:28:11.200
Okay.
00:28:11.560
So one of the dudes who is the originator of the contemporary understanding of the Enneagram
00:28:15.600
as we know it, he said that he got his information about it from an angelic visitation from a spirit
00:28:22.260
or divine being named Metatron, which we know is a demon.
00:28:26.620
And then the other guy who created the types, he said on YouTube that he got his understanding
00:28:31.780
of the wisdom of types through automatic writing, which is a form of channeling spirits where
00:28:36.840
a demon basically guides your hand or guides your mind to help you write down certain ideas.
00:28:42.300
So when we say, oh, I'm type one, type two, type three, whatever, we are literally applying
00:28:48.060
to our identity the quote unquote wisdom of demons.
00:28:51.700
It's literally that deep.
00:28:53.800
And I was telling my husband part of this.
00:28:56.320
I've talked about Enneagram on several occasions.
00:28:58.020
And so part of me feels a responsibility to renounce it publicly and to bring attention
00:29:02.080
to the demonic nature of it.
00:29:04.120
So I am very glad that she is talking about this.
00:29:07.240
I wrote about this in my book.
00:29:10.300
And this really does go all the way back to the 19th century when there was very much a
00:29:15.840
boom of psychology, psychiatry and new age beliefs and Eastern mysticism that eventually
00:29:24.940
moved its way to the West and has really stayed here and grown here, has paired itself with
00:29:30.880
capitalism and self-help and the prosperity gospel and has really just kind of grabbed
00:29:37.740
hold of the U.S.
00:29:39.460
And I would say especially women in a lot of ways.
00:29:42.220
And the Enneagram is a part of that.
00:29:45.140
The Enneagram, like she said, was created by someone who claims that he got the vision
00:29:50.360
of the Enneagram from a demon.
00:29:54.160
And the people who propagate it to this day, like Richard Rohr, who is a Franciscan friar, who
00:29:59.500
is not a Christian in any real sense of the word, he does not believe that Jesus is the
00:30:03.860
way, the truth and the life and that no one comes to the Father except through him.
00:30:07.720
Like he has talked about the kind of contemplative attributes of the Enneagram and how there is
00:30:18.760
kind of a spiritual side of it that really has nothing to do with Christian spirituality,
00:30:22.660
but is really more mystic and Gnostic and New Age spirituality.
00:30:28.240
Now, I know a lot of people will rebuff me.
00:30:32.340
I've been talking about this for a long time.
00:30:34.060
I was not the first person to talk about it, so I don't want it to seem like I'm claiming
00:30:37.360
that I was the first person to criticize the Enneagram.
00:30:39.960
I wasn't the first person to.
00:30:41.780
It has been several years, but there were people who for several years before me had been
00:30:46.220
talking about it and had received a lot of criticism for it.
00:30:50.400
And I still get a lot of pushback from people saying, well, it's helped me.
00:30:55.160
It's helped my marriage.
00:30:56.180
It helped me in my job.
00:30:57.340
It helped me under understand myself.
00:31:00.680
And you're taking it too seriously.
00:31:03.540
Jackie Hill Perry even said, like, I think people go too deep with stuff, which I agree.
00:31:08.800
I do think some people take some things too seriously and they see something.
00:31:13.180
They see it like something spiritual and things that are not necessarily evil or dark or something
00:31:20.780
like that.
00:31:22.140
However, when it comes to this and you really are talking about an inspiration from a demonic
00:31:29.460
vision, I do think that that should give Christians pause to say, well, like maybe this isn't the
00:31:37.700
wisdom that I'm really looking for, or maybe this isn't the place that I should go to who
00:31:42.900
discover who I am and how I tick.
00:31:45.760
I am not discounting the possibility that the Enneagram has helped you in some way, but I
00:31:54.460
am saying that it is not going to be the solution to your problems that you are looking for, just
00:32:01.320
like any other personality test.
00:32:03.840
Now, personality tests are not all demonic.
00:32:06.720
They don't all have the same kind of new age origin, but they do all have kind of the
00:32:13.080
same temptation, I would say.
00:32:15.600
The temptation to focus too much on ourselves, too much on our quirks, too much on our characteristics,
00:32:22.080
to try to say the things that are really sin and are really unholy and are really bad parts
00:32:28.280
of ourselves or just kind of quirky and unique parts of our personality that people just need
00:32:33.840
to kind of understand and adapt to.
00:32:36.340
I think it can make us focus less on being sanctified to become like Christ and to embody
00:32:43.040
the fruit of the spirit and more to become the best version of the one with the two wing or whatever
00:32:48.080
our Enneagram is or otter or INFG, whatever it is.
00:32:53.920
So I think that they can, some of these, without the demonic origin of them, although they do
00:33:01.080
all kind of have this like psychiatry, pseudo-spiritual innocence background, I think that they can possibly
00:33:13.580
be a tool to kind of help you understand what your strengths and weaknesses are and how God
00:33:18.800
made you, but they cannot be relied on for self-understanding.
00:33:23.740
They cannot be relied on for you to understand your spouse.
00:33:27.520
They cannot be relied on to understand your friends because all of us, whether you're a
00:33:32.300
one or a nine or an otter or a beaver, we are all called to be like Christ.
00:33:36.840
We are all called to embody love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, gentleness, goodness,
00:33:42.260
faithfulness, faithfulness, and self-control.
00:33:45.520
And you are not more called to those things if you are a naturally loyal and gentle person.
00:33:53.020
You are not less called to those things if you're a naturally boisterous person.
00:33:57.860
Yes, God has given us all unique capabilities and unique characteristics.
00:34:02.200
That's part of being the body of Christ.
00:34:05.140
That's part of being one member of the body of Christ.
00:34:08.000
I might be a hand of the body of Christ.
00:34:09.900
You might be a foot of the body of Christ, like we read about this in scripture, how all
00:34:15.760
members rely on each other.
00:34:17.780
We all need one another and we all have our specific capabilities and gifts that God has
00:34:22.960
given us.
00:34:23.840
Ephesians talks about this as well, that God has given us all our specific spiritual gifts
00:34:28.320
to serve the body of Christ.
00:34:30.240
It is not for the purpose simply of self-fulfillment and self-understanding and liberating your true
00:34:36.420
self because you finally understand your Enneagram type.
00:34:39.900
So that's why I think personality tests in general, no matter what their origin is, while
00:34:45.100
some of them can be useful tools, I think they can also become a distraction from focusing
00:34:51.720
on Christ.
00:34:53.060
We do not have a problem as a society with self-love and self-focus.
00:34:58.320
I know that we hear constantly that we do.
00:35:00.960
We hear constantly that if everyone just loved themselves more, if everyone just understood
00:35:05.100
themselves more, if everyone just thought about themselves more and pursued what they
00:35:09.560
want more and focused more on their own happiness and prioritize their well-being first, then
00:35:14.320
the world would be peaceful.
00:35:15.700
Everyone would have what they want.
00:35:17.100
Their relationships would be great.
00:35:18.500
But that's not true.
00:35:19.260
We do not have a deficit of self-love, self-affection, self-affirmation, self-understanding, self-seeking
00:35:27.140
in this country.
00:35:28.560
In fact, we have too much of those things.
00:35:31.400
Our problem is not that we lack self-love.
00:35:33.900
It's not that we don't like ourselves enough.
00:35:35.800
It's actually that we focus on ourselves way too much.
00:35:39.100
Way too much.
00:35:39.940
You know what kind of Disney princess you are.
00:35:42.100
You know what color matches your personality.
00:35:44.420
Like, I mean, all of our algorithms and all of our social media apps are perfectly tailored
00:35:49.860
to not every, not only every interest you have, but every interest you possibly could
00:35:54.380
have based on what you are thinking and what you looked at for a second too long on TikTok,
00:35:59.440
on Instagram.
00:36:00.580
Everything is oriented around the self.
00:36:04.140
I'm just not sure that Christians need to be adding one more thing to help us think about
00:36:10.700
ourselves and focus on ourselves more.
00:36:12.280
Like, what if really the exercise we need to be doing to help us cultivate joy is to focus
00:36:18.200
outside of ourselves, to understand who God is and why he made us, why we're here, who
00:36:24.900
we are as human beings.
00:36:27.860
Like, what if we should be looking outside of ourselves for the love and the joy and the
00:36:32.900
fulfillment that we're seeking?
00:36:34.640
What if it's actually a lot more simple than personality tests and the Enneagram tell us
00:36:40.060
that it is?
00:36:40.460
What if it's not so complicated to study in something like that with nine types?
00:36:44.840
Like, what if we already have the roadmap in Christ?
00:36:48.120
Like, what if we already have everything we need to understand human nature, to understand
00:36:52.520
ourselves and to understand other people in God, in scripture?
00:36:55.760
Again, there are good supplementary books, obviously, and good supplementary tools to all
00:37:01.040
of those things.
00:37:03.160
But are they necessary to knowing ourselves, if that's even a worthy goal?
00:37:07.920
Is it necessary to living a life of fulfillment and joy and working well with other people?
00:37:12.760
I don't think so.
00:37:14.520
And isn't that good news?
00:37:15.760
Like, that we don't have to figure out the next personality test or understand our type perfectly
00:37:21.700
or anything like that in order to really live well?
00:37:26.620
Maybe some of them can help.
00:37:28.720
But it's not necessary and sometimes can even be a distraction to actually living a fulfilling
00:37:36.240
life in who we are in Christ.
00:37:38.000
Because we already know, we already know that we are new creations in Christ if, indeed, by
00:37:44.080
grace through faith, we believe in Him.
00:37:47.080
And so we already know what our identity is and isn't that good news?
00:37:51.460
So maybe let's take a deep breath and stop focusing so much on ourselves because I actually
00:37:56.160
think that that self-obsession is making us more miserable rather than less.
00:38:12.080
Okay, I said that was our last sponsor.
00:38:13.700
It's not our last sponsor.
00:38:14.520
We've got one more sponsor in a little bit.
00:38:17.360
Okay, let me talk about this next story.
00:38:19.560
So there was this viral tweet that was going on.
00:38:22.800
It was originally tweeted, I saw by, let's see, is this the name of it?
00:38:29.820
I thought it was, yeah, it's Raw Egg Nationalist who originally tweeted this.
00:38:34.740
And he said, say what you want about Reddit, but it's an amazing tool for peering into people's
00:38:40.760
souls.
00:38:40.940
And here's what he means by that.
00:38:44.840
So this is a post on Reddit.
00:38:47.200
And I see a lot of these posts because I follow a lot of these accounts that repost these kinds
00:38:52.060
of things from Reddit onto Twitter.
00:38:54.520
And it really is an interesting look into especially the men who want to identify as women into their
00:39:01.260
psychology.
00:39:01.720
And it's actually like, it's very sad.
00:39:03.760
So this person says, holy expletive, I hate cis women.
00:39:09.920
So cis women, if you don't know, that means cis gender.
00:39:13.440
So that means women who are actually women, who were born women, you know, have the right chromosomes,
00:39:18.900
all of that.
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There's no such thing, of course, as a cis woman, because there's no such thing as a trans woman.
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You are either male or female.
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That is determined at the point of conception based on your chromosomes.
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Don't talk to me about intersex.
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That is an anomaly and a disorder that does not rewrite the rule of sex.
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And gender has nothing to do with transgender, actually.
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So this person says, I'm at a restaurant right now, supposed to be a date.
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But of expletive course, the cis woman I was speaking to, women, I think it means woman,
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I was speaking to flaked on me once.
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She learned I was trans, which happened, expletive, whatever.
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But what's driving me expletive bonkers is the table next to me.
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Three girls, all early 20s, slim, bubbly, sundresses, talking about nails and boyfriends
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and sex, all just basking in the femininity that I've spent my life and my savings just trying
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to get a taste of.
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It's just salt on the wound after being stood up by one of their kind.
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I expletive hate them so much and they don't even know it.
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It's not fair.
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They'll never, ever know the struggle women like us have to go through just to feel like
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that.
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So now I'm stuck here listening to them laughing and chatting about their perfect lives and
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throwing back Bombay gin until I can drive home good and trashed.
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Wow.
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A lot of bad decisions.
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A lot of bad decisions in this post.
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I really hope that that person doesn't drive drunk and hurt himself or the other people
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around him.
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But this is really common.
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I see this in a lot of I see this kind of thing in a lot of posts where you've got these
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men who say that they want to be women who are really they say they're really jealous
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and really resentful of actual women.
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And they're like, oh, I'll never truly be like that.
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So part of that is clear thinking that they understand that they will never fully be perceived
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as women, which is true, and that that's just not going to happen because that's simply
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not how they were born.
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But the delusional part is that they think it's everyone else's fault, that everyone
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should just perceive them as girls, as women, because that is simply what they want to be.
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But human nature is like a beach ball.
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It's going to keep popping back up.
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The no matter how many times you try to push it under the water, you can use all of your
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force and it's still going to come back up to the surface.
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And that is the reality of male and female.
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It's just it just cannot be ever fully or fundamentally diminished.
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And that is what seems to torture these people.
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However, I do think that this jealousy and this hatred of women actually probably predates
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these people thinking that they are transgender, thinking that they are the opposite sex.
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I would say that's probably actually what inspires some of it, that it probably actually came
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from a place of resentment and bitterness and hatred and jealousy first.
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And then maybe it was something like if you can't beat them, join them.
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I think a lot of these guys probably dealt with confusion, some of them abuse, some of them
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rejection.
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And that kind of hurt probably led to this attempt to don a new identity to become a woman.
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But I think a lot of the hatred for women that you see and a lot of the confusion also that
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you see here is an addiction to porn.
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Like as we've talked about several times with Genevieve Gluck, that this phenomenon of men,
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of boys trying to become women, a lot of it is inspired by dark, dark crevices of the
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pornography world.
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And pornography also breeds the hatred and the objectification of women, demeaning and
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degrading attitudes towards women.
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That is what a lot of porn is.
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And so that's where I think a lot of this comes from.
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I think a lot of these young men, they hate women for a variety of reasons, one of them
00:43:06.580
being the depictions in pornography.
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And that also is what kind of pushes them to try to take on these new identities, because
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that is also depicted in dark crevices of pornography.
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So, I mean, there is a reason why women say it's really important to stand up for our privacy
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and for our rights and for our protection and why it is important to have sex exclusive
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spaces.
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And unfortunately, it's not going that direction in a lot of ways.
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But when this is, again, a very common attitude and a very common post, I'm not saying all
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men who identify as women feel like this, but this is very common.
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And like that should scare people.
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That should wake people up to say, OK, this is not just some innocent movement of people
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trying to be included.
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This is a lot of these people hate women.
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They hate women.
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They resent them.
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They're bitter towards them.
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And the result of that, of mixing that kind of person with women in private and vulnerable
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spaces, I don't think it's good.
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That's why you have the stories that you do of men in women's prisons who identify as
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women, inflicting violence on them.
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This is not a safe movement for women and for girls.
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I think that we know that that's a that's a major understatement.
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All right.
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That's all we've got for today.
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There were a few more things that we wanted to talk about, but we're already almost at
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And so we're out of time.
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