Ep 739 ｜ Beth Moore, Childhood Obesity Pills & the Gas Stove Ban
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On today's episode of Relatable, Allie talks about how important it is to live with joy, excellence, and for the glory of God. She also talks about the power of the Holy Spirit and the wisdom of Psalm 97.
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Beth Moore critiques the famous sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God by Jonathan Edwards.
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Childhood obesity apparently, according to the American Academy of Pediatrics,
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The Democrats gaslight about gas stoves, and the owner of Miss Universe is a man.
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Hey guys, happy Monday, and welcome to Relatable.
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So y'all thought for a minute there that I was done with Good Ranchers,
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because last week I didn't have the what we call a micro mention at the beginning of the podcast for Good Ranchers,
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and I didn't read any Good Ranchers ads, and I got some concerned messages from y'all.
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And it didn't really help that I was so awkward at the top of the show without the micro mention.
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The micro mention for me saying, you know, the bit about Good Ranchers at the top of the show,
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it was kind of like a cushion in between what we call the cold open and then the rest of the show.
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And then without that, I didn't know what to say.
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And so it might have seemed like there was some like weird thing going on there.
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Cook with them still almost every single night.
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They just, their advertising didn't start until this week.
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You will not stop hearing about how amazing Good Ranchers meat is there.
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There is no bad blood and there's no tension there.
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There's a lot of dramatic things going on in the world.
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Before we get into it, just want to remind you a little Monday reminder that sometimes
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I'd like to give you guys is that the only thing that you have to do today, as Elizabeth
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The only thing that you have to do today, Christian, is the will of God.
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And so your anxieties can kind of clear, recognizing that that's the only real responsibility that
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And while that may seem overwhelming, the thing that I like to add to that is that if
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you don't know what the will of God is for this day, you simply do the next right thing
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with joy, excellence, and for the glory of God.
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Whatever is the next right thing, that is what you do enjoy with excellence and for
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And through the power of the Holy Spirit and the wisdom of his word, we do that.
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And I also think it kind of enlightens us as to what our mentality should be and what our
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I do think that there's a lot of people who claim to be Christians who just don't hate
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They actually hate more people who call out evil or are constantly obsessed with critiquing
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people who are calling out evil far more than they are obsessed with hating evil themselves.
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He, the Lord, preserves the lives of his saints.
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Light is sown for the righteous and joy for the upright in heart.
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Oh, you righteous and give thanks to his holy name.
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One day forevermore, there will be deliverance from wickedness.
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There will be no more sin, no more sorrow, no more injustice, no more politics, no more
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division, partisanship, but there will only be perfect peace.
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And that is actually what powers us to live with joy and with peace and with calm today.
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And may that all be true of our hearts and minds and lives.
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All right, let's get into the craziness of this world because that's what we do.
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Let's first talk about this crazy story that I saw on Twitter last week that a lot of people
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We just didn't have time to get to it last week.
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Go back and listen to last week's episodes if you haven't already.
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But I just could not let another episode go without discussing this.
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And that is this headline from NBC News that I saw circulating on Twitter.
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New guidelines for treating childhood obesity include medications and surgery for first time.
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This is the American Academy of Pediatrics, who we already know has been very misguided
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For example, pushing mandatory masking for kids in schools, even though there is no data
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whatsoever proving that mandatory masking actually lowers mortality for COVID or stops the spread
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We talked about that many times as these studies were coming out, claiming by the CDC and the AAP
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that masks were saving lives of kids and that we should be mandating these masks.
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We looked at the journalism of people like David Zwick, who showed, who proved, who demonstrated
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that these studies did not prove that masking in schools was helping.
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We will link some of those past episodes if you have not listened to them.
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And so just like almost every other institution in the United States, which is supposed to
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be neutral and driven by actual science, it's been captured by ideology and captured by money.
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And I think really that's what's going on here with the whole obesity thing.
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The guidance comes as childhood obesity rates have continued to rise over the past decade and a
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half, increasing from 17 percent to 20 percent, according to data from the Centers for Disease
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Since the 1980s, obesity rates have tripled in children and quadrupled in adolescents.
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The new guidelines from the AAP emphasize that obesity is a complex and chronic condition
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Intensive behavioral and lifestyle changes should be the first line approach, agree.
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But the AAP also includes recommendations for anti-obesity medications and surgery for the
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These novel recommendations are in response to a windfall of research and drug approvals
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I mean, this just doesn't surprise me at all that another so-called scientific institution
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is pushing drugs that are going to make these pharmaceutical companies and a lot of these
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We see this constantly, things that don't actually need to be treated with drugs or things that
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We are told by these institutions and entities that they must be treated with drugs.
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And in a lot of cases, not in all cases, but in a lot of cases, money is the driver behind
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I mean, we understand what causes in a lot of cases.
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I'm not saying in all cases, but in a lot of cases, probably, I would say upwards of
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90 plus percent of these cases of childhood obesity, it's due to a sedentary lifestyle and
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So even if a parent thinks that they are making good choices for their kids, unfortunately,
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we can't get away from things like seed oils and the different kinds of ingredients in
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our food that are actually not good for us, that are actually killing us in a lot of ways,
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that are messing up our endocrine system and our metabolism.
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And we know from the data that obesity was exacerbated in kids during the time of COVID
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because we were told that the healthiest thing that you could do was sit inside by yourself.
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And we saw in different parts of the country and especially places like Canada that recreation
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centers or recreation places and communities and neighborhoods that have, for example, basketball
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Basketball goals were taken down in some cases.
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You saw the like soccer goals in some of these parks completely chained up so that you couldn't
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And we are now surprised that they're saying, oh, this is such a big problem that we need to
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be pushing more drugs and surgery for these little kids.
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Again, are we even thinking about the long-term consequences of this?
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I mean, I'm glad they're saying the first line approach should be lifestyle changes.
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But it seems like that is eventually going to go by the wayside.
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We're going to hear eventually that exercise and eating healthy is just kind of a conspiracy
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And that really there's nothing that people can possibly do to try to lose weight and get
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That has nothing to do with choices that these kids or parents are making and everything to
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do with just some, I don't know, genetic thing, something inside them that can only
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be fixed with a gastric bypass when they're 11 years old.
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For children ages 12 and up, one of the major changes in the recommendations is the inclusion
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of anti-obesity drugs and weight loss surgery alongside lifestyle changes.
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The guidelines say that pediatricians should offer weight loss drugs for children age 12
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The guidelines also recommend that teens age 13 and up with severe obesity consider discussing
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weight loss surgery, which evidence has shown can be a safe and effective, we've heard
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that phrase, safe and effective treatment with lasting results.
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Yeah, I am sure a gastric bypass surgery on someone of any age could probably be effective
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in that it requires them to eat less food, but is that the best thing that they can do?
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I mean, is that even safe in a growing body that is not even close to done developing yet?
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But I've learned over the past couple of years that really average people with common sense
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sometimes come to smarter conclusions than the people with all of the credentials behind
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So the guidelines emphasize this kind of approach to obesity treatment, but emphasize also that
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you should not just consider physical habits, such a diet activity, but also social inequities
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that he or she faces, mental health environment.
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I think what's going to be interesting in this, and this is something that you see across
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the board with these kinds of suggestions, the people that are going to be targeted most
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by this, especially those who are told by doctors, you're fat because of social inequities
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Like it's going to probably be middle income and poor people who are convinced by their doctors,
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yeah, you just need this surgery or you just need this medication in order to lose weight.
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It's kind of like what we saw with the school closures, that parents who had the resources
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and access to different kind of modes of education, they sent their kids to pods or they homeschooled
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But then you've got the kind of middle income and lower income kids who really had no other
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option, you just have to listen to the experts, you have to just kind of be dictated by the
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I think that's going to be kind of what happens here.
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You don't have the resources to do your own research or to even question the so-called
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And you're told that, you know, you're fat not because of any choices that you're making,
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but because of some kind of social injustice in your life or because of racism or whatever.
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And so you're going to be kind of, they're going to be kind of the guinea pigs when it
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They're going to be kind of the experiment because people with resources and people with
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money and with access to personal trainers and to chefs and things like that, they're
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not going to be sending their 11 year old to get a gastric bypass.
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This is also just the danger of credentialism, listening to people just because they have letters
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behind their name without employing any wisdom at all.
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DeSantis, Governor DeSantis of Florida, he has been a long warrior against the corruption
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He has pushed back against Fauci and the mandatory vaccines and all of that in a way that most
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DeSantis eviscerates new health guidelines for childhood obesity, recommending drugs
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Now, I think you have so much where they say, OK, what can we make money off of first?
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So now you have this thing where they're saying, well, you know, these kids that are overweight
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should be given pump full of drugs and given surgeries for being overweight.
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And that is just to me, like, I think that that's them just trying to monetize this issue.
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You know, fact of the matter is, kids years ago were more active than they are now.
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So why don't we focus on those things rather than trying to pump them with pharmaceuticals?
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OK, I mean, he's obviously correct, and I'm glad that he is speaking up about this.
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You can tell that he has a personal perspective on these things as a dad that a lot of us can
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As he mentions there, The Washington Post reported on this in 2021.
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That this became an even bigger problem during COVID.
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For the average five-year-old, about 40 pounds.
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According to the study before the pandemic, about 36% of 5 to 11-year-olds were considered
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So this study, which was Kaiser Permanente in Southern California, they noted that there
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But of course, when you extend that to a year, a year and a half, two years, kids are going
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to gain a lot more weight, and it's going to be hard for them to get it off.
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Again, this is the consequence of the stupid decisions that were made in the name of health
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Anyone with common sense, you didn't have to go to medical school, could see how shutting
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kids out of these kinds of activities was going to be devastating for their physical and
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Especially when you're talking about being up against a sickness that 99.99% of kids
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Most of them wouldn't have any kind of serious bout of COVID at all.
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A lot of them, I would say it's very comparable to kids who come down with a really bad flu and
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have to go to the hospital when it comes to COVID.
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We absolutely shut down their lives for the sake of a virus that was of us.
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Almost no threat to them whatsoever and the consequences on their learning, on their social
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and emotional maturation, on their physical health could very well be lifelong.
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And who is going to be held accountable for that, by the way?
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Like, who is going to be paying for those decisions that were made at the expense of the
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group of people in this country who do not have a voice, children?
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Children are always laid on the altar of progressivism.
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Children are always the subjects of progressive social experiments, whether it comes to COVID
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policy, whether it comes to the gender madness, whether it comes to abortion, whether it comes
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They are always the ones placed on the altar of progressive policy first.
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They create this big problem or they exacerbate this problem.
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And then they come in and they say, this solution, so-called, which happens to make us a lot of
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money, is going to solve this problem that we made worse.
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Before we do, let's just remember, let's try to feed our kids as healthy as we can.
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Now, I am someone who is like a mom of toddlers.
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Sometimes they only want chicken nuggets and mac and cheese.
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And let's give them the proper balance and the exercise that they need.
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And we don't have to worry about these doctors pushing surgery and drugs on our preteen.
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So let's just all commit in the year 2023 to try to avoid this madness by just making
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common sense and better decisions for ourselves and for our family.
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So you might be thinking, just because of the first word in that phrase, that this is
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Just like a lot of spaces and a lot of places, a lot of teams today are no longer exclusive
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Men still have their exclusive spaces and have their exclusive teams.
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But women, for some reason, are the ones who have to make the compromises and the sacrifices
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of our safety and privacy because there are men who wear lipstick and skirts who say that
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they now have the right to enter our teams in places and spaces, even intimate and vulnerable
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spaces like women's prisons and domestic abuse shelters and bathrooms and locker rooms.
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And now men have decided that they are going to take over Miss Universe.
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But the owner seems to be a little bit confused, as you're about to see in a second, because
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From now on, it's going to be ran by women, owned by a trans woman for all women.
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For all women really around the world to celebrate the power of feminism.
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So this would have been a really funny comedy bit.
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This would have been a really funny sketch in a parallel universe in which we still had
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You know, I've been thinking about how like a classic comedy bit is men dressing up as
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And it has been for a very long time, probably for thousands and thousands of years in theater
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It's funny because they are black men dressing up as women.
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And it's ridiculous, not only because they don't actually look white, but because they
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Women dressed up as men isn't quite as funny because it doesn't look quite as ridiculous.
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But men dressed up as women has always been a comedy sketch.
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And so not only are we being told to deny reality, we are also being told to deny humor.
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Like we're not supposed to snicker at the fact that this person has a deep voice and has
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movements that look exactly like a male and is saying that Miss Universe is now going to
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Apparently it's cruel and it's mean to laugh at that.
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So not only are you begging me, are you demanding that I deny reality?
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You are also telling me that I must deny humor, which has been humorous for literally thousands
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Men dressed up as women are is it's ridiculous and it's absurd and it's funny and it's ironic
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But this we are told is absolutely dead serious.
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Because everything that is funny, we are told that we must take literally and sincerely
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and earnestly and empathetically and we're not allowed to make fun of it or we're called
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bigots or whatever until you kind of graduate to the phase that I have graduated to and that
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a lot of you have to where you just don't care what they call you anymore.
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Um, so this person is announcing proudly, proudly that Miss Universe is run by women, but of
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course he is not, he is not actually, um, a woman.
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Um, let's look at some of these, also these weird costumes out of, uh, Miss Universe.
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I've got some friends who have followed pageants who have been in pageants for a long time.
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It's very like impressive, all the work that has to go into all of this.
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So I don't want to like, I don't want to denigrate, I don't want to denigrate, you know, the work
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that some of these women put into this, but I mean, some of this stuff is just absolutely
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So, so let's look at some of these costumes of these people who are, um, who are walking,
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And do there, are their costumes supposed to be representative of their country in some
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So some of them are just like emblematic of their country.
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Some of them are like, have to do with something, something special about their country.
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And then she has tea and another Stroopwafel on her hat.
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And what is on her, um, uh, leotard up, up top?
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Are they supposed to kind of be absurd costumes?
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So this is like a very tall, like golden statue thing.
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I guess I don't know enough about Trinidad, uh, Trinidad to know how this is representative
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I couldn't tell you, but it looks like a bunch of party city streamers.
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Um, I don't really know what's going on with the face of the golden apparatus.
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I feel like it is supposed to be like, okay, there we go.
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I hate to admit, I have no idea what that is or where that is.
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I mean, I kind of appreciate this a little bit more.
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So she is supposed to be some kind of bird, right?
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I think, I think that's part of the eagle head.
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I am impressed that they can, uh, walk in these heels and these costumes.
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You could only capture the brilliance through video.
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When Americans stepped on the moon in 1969, it was one small step for man.
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Our latest accomplishment is that we landed on the moon in 1969.
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The, if y'all aren't watching this, she's got like, well, she's got like stars and everything.
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And so that should have just been, the costume designer should have been like, okay, that's
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I think it could have been fine maybe without the moon.
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I just can't believe that they chose of all of our accomplishments as a country that we
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And maybe the jury is still out on that, as we have discussed on this podcast.
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I mean, of all, of all things, it's really ugly, USA.
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Let's look at, let's look at Miss Bahamas, and then we'll end with Miss Ukraine.
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In 1973, the islands of Bahamas gained independence.
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So I guess she's supposed to look like some, like, fierce angel warrior, some guard, a guardian
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And there are also overlays now of Zelensky's face over top of hers that are pretty funny
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The kleptocracy of Ukraine, all of a sudden, the guardian of democracy.
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Once again, it's just interesting how things come to prominence and just happen to make a
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very elite group of people a lot of money in our country.
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I guess it's no longer about beauty and it's more just about being able to shock you.
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And isn't that true of a lot of things in our modern age today?
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Um, the Biden administration is actually considering, according to National Review, banning gas
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The U.S. Consumer Product Safety Commission is set to open public comment on the dangers
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The commission could set standards on emissions from the gas stoves or even look to ban the
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Commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. told Bloomberg News.
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The stoves, which are used in about 40% of homes in the U.S., I honestly would have thought
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I know that they're used in all or at least most restaurants to emit pollutants, including
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nitrogen dioxide, carbon monoxide, and fine particulate matter at levels deemed unsafe
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Senator Cory Booker and Representative Don Beyer wrote a letter to the agency last month urging
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the commission to address the issue and calling the harmful emissions a cumulative burden on
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You know who is going to be hit the hardest by any kind of gas ban if they try to remove
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I mean, we're talking about billions and billions of people dying if they're not able to heat
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their homes and to heat their food the way that we have been doing for hundreds of years
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However, the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers argues that cooking produces harmful
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emissions regardless of the kind of stove used.
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Ventilation is really where this discussion should be rather than banning one particular
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A vice president at the Association of Home Appliance Manufacturers said, according to
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National Review, the American Gas Association similarly argued against the ban.
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I'm not saying this is an objective source, but they said the U.S. Consumer Product Safety
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Commission and EPA do not present gas ranges as a significant contributor to adverse air
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quality or health hazard in their technical or public information literature guidance or
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So even though that they might not be an objective source, that is something that is objectively true.
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So then a couple of days later, National Review reported that Consumer Safety Commission walked
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So there's backlash to something and then they they walk it back.
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OK, well, if it's really this crazy pollutant that is causing childhood asthma and is having a
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disproportionate effect on black and Latino communities, then why does it matter what backlash is had
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There's been a lot of attention paid to gas stove emissions into the Consumer Product Safety
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To be clear, I am not looking to ban gas stoves and the CPSC has no proceeding to do so.
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This is the chairman of the Consumer Product Safety Commission.
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The paper went on to parallel the childhood asthma burden produced by gas stoves being equivalent to
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The asthma study that has triggered the latest uproar was funded by RMI, an environmental group
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with the radical goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 50 percent within the next
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Its lead author is part of the group's carbon free buildings initiative.
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So the study that people are pointing to saying this causes childhood cancer is actually funded
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by a radical environmental group who is anti gas.
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And it just turns out not to really stack up with the rest of the data.
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Like if you look at the states with the highest gas stove usage and the highest asthma, they're
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I saw that posted by Emily Oster, who is a Brown University professor.
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The news coincided with New York Governor Kathy Hochul's State of the State address Tuesday,
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which called for completely eliminating gas heating and appliances and new construction projects
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That is something that New York started last year.
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It's also important to note that any of the articles or any of the studies that are used
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to support the banning of gas stoves are funded by the Rocky Mountain Institute, which is a
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non-profit think tank that is vehemently against any carbon usage for energy and fanatically
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So the money behind people demonizing gas stoves is coming from these radical left-wing environmentalist
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groups who believe that we are going to be able to get all of our energy from solar and
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Again, you are talking about the deaths of millions and millions of people if that kind
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of goal is ever actually reached, which is not really something that they care about because
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these are the same people that are constantly talking about their Malthusian dread of overpopulation.
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So people are kind of they're going back and forth about this and they're just talking about the
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ridiculousness of, again, trying to create some kind of totalitarian solution to something that is not
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I mean, how are you going to how would you even get 40 percent of people to stop using their gas stoves?
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So Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, who also uses a gas stove, by the way, there have been pictures floating
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around. I don't know if we have one of those pictures of AOC using her gas stove.
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There are several Democrats who use gas stoves.
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Elizabeth Warren right there with her little latticed pie using gas stoves.
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Totally forgot she's our vice president, using her gas stove.
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And then we've got the good Dr. Jill Biden using her gas stove.
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Gas stoves for thee or for me, but not for thee.
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But AOC is now saying that no gas stoves are actually harmful.
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Here's a little clip of her trying to justify potentially banning gas stoves.
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I do think it's funny that like absolute utter Republican meltdown where they're like,
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you can take my gas stove or my cold, dead hands or how dare you talk about gas stoves?
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Second of all, though, it doesn't even matter because by that logic, these are the same people who would have said we should have never gotten rid of leaded gasoline just because someone may have driven a gasoline car.
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Science evolves and gives us new knowledge with time.
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OK, that's an interesting attempt at a justification.
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Did you know the ongoing exposure to NO2 from gas stoves is linked to reduced cognitive performance?
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Maybe maybe there is actually something to that.
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It's so funny how and I saw this on MSNBC, too, how the left says that they're going to ban something.
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They all of a sudden make something that was previously completely nonpartisan, very political and divisive.
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And then when conservatives react to their divisiveness, we are called divisive.
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No one was politicizing gas stoves before Democrats started talking about it.
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Like no one was saying, don't ban my gas stove or don't take my gas stove until Democrats started talking about it.
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I mean, this is, again, already happening in New York and new construction.
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We've got Democrats in the Senate trying to propose some kind of ban on gas stoves.
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They're the ones making a big deal of something that previously was not a big deal.
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And yet when we react to it, they're saying, why are you making such a big deal of this?
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Well, you're not going to be able to take my gas stove.
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I cooked with my gas stove at one point this weekend with three burners on at the same time.
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I was waiting for the dreaded knock at the door by the FBI.
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Thankfully, I even posted about it on social media thinking, surely this is going to do me in.
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But the things we joke about today are the things that become reality tomorrow.
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The last thing that I want to talk about is this story that I only saw this morning about
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Beth Moore talking about a Jonathan Edwards sermon.
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So really, the most important thing to think about, though, when it comes to death is where
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And what eternity looks like eternity is a very long time.
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And it was in 1741, a sermon preached at Enfield, July 8, 1741.
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And it has become a famous or perhaps to some people, an infamous sermon about our mortality
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and about our fate as sinners without the saving work of Christ.
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This is what you would call fire and brimstone.
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And this is probably where you even get the phrase fire and brimstone, because he was a
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And he said a lot of things that are true in this sermon and a lot of things that are
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probably some Christians would not necessarily align with when it comes to how he phrases things.
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Nevertheless, I do think this kind of harshness is necessary when it comes to showing people
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just how dire our situation is and just how real the reality of hell is.
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And so that's why this sermon has lasted through the ages.
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And Beth Moore responded to it, tweeting that she doesn't agree with it, that she doesn't
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She doesn't agree with the words that Jonathan Edwards chooses.
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For the life of me, I don't get the appeal of Jonathan Edwards to many.
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After my Bible reading this morning, I read a bit out of an old book I'd pulled off my
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shelf, a compilation of many of the great sermons of the past.
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I flipped open to a page where I'd handwritten the words, but I have Jesus.
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She goes on and she quotes Jonathan Edwards, the God that holds you over the pit of hell.
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Much as one holds a spider or some loathsome insect over the fire abhors you and is dreadfully
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provoked, you are 10,000 times more abominable in his eyes than the most hateful, venomous
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She said, I get that Edwards is talking to those who do not look to Christ for salvation,
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but I'm just saying I was so broken and self-loathing and ensnared in my sins.
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Such preaching would have made me feel like dying, like running away, not running toward
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I would have wondered how he could go straight to loving someone like a son after he abhorred
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This thought process breaks down, of course, because I'm certainly not God.
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So she just talks about how basically this is counterproductive.
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This is not the kind of message that we should be preaching to people and that it's far too harsh.
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So before I respond to, um, before I respond to what she has to say here, I do just want
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to read you some of the sermon so you know what she's talking about.
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He says this, your wickedness makes you as it were heavy as lead and to tend downwards
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And if God should let you go, you would immediately sink and swiftly descend into and plunge into
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a bottomless gulf and your healthy constitution and your own care and prudence and all your
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righteousness would have no more influence to uphold you and keep you out of hell than
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a spider's web would have to stop a falling rock.
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Were it not for the sovereign pleasure of God, the earth would not bear you one moment
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The creature is made subject to the bondage of your corruption, not willingly.
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The sun does not willingly shine upon you to give you light to serve sin and Satan.
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The earth does not willingly yield her increase to satisfy your lust, nor is it willingly
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The air does not willingly serve you for breath to maintain the flame of life in your vitals
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while you spend your life in the service of God's enemies.
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God's creatures are good and were made for men to serve God with and do not willingly subserve
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to any other purpose and groan when they are abused to purposes so directly contrary to
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And the world would spew you out were it not for the sovereign hand of him who has subjected
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There are the black clouds of God's wrath now hanging directly over your heads, full of dreadful
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And were it not for the restraining hand of God, it would immediately burst forth upon
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Creation is groaning for the redemption of God.
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And I like what he says about how creation is groaning because of man's sin.
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For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth
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until now awaiting God's redemption and restoration.
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You have offended him infinitely, God infinitely more than ever a stubborn rebel did his prince.
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And yet it is nothing but his hand that holds you from falling into the fire every moment.
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It is to be ascribed to nothing else that you did not go to hell the last night, that you
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were suffered to awake again in this world after you closed your eyes to sleep.
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And there is no other reason to be given why you have not dropped into hell since you arose
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And so he is talking about God's grace and his mercy and his patience, allowing people
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who are rebels against him, who are dead in his sin, to keep on sinning, to keep on rebelling,
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to keep on living with the hope that they will one day be called to repentance, that by grace
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through faith, they will become alive in Christ.
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That is why his patience exists, not just for individuals, but for creatures as a whole,
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O sinner, consider the fearful danger you are in.
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It is a great furnace of wrath, a wide and bottomless pit full of the fire of wrath that
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you are held over in the hand of that God whose wrath is provoked and incensed as much against
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You hang by a slender thread with the flames of divine wrath flashing about it.
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And then he goes on to talk about the hope of grace and the hope of redemption that can
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Jonathan Edwards says, a day wherein Christ has thrown the door of mercy wide open and
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stands in calling and crying with a loud voice to poor sinners, a day wherein many are flocking
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Many are daily coming from the east, west, north and south.
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Many that were very lately in the same miserable condition that you are in are now in a happy
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state with their hearts filled with love to him who has loved them and washed them of
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their sins in his own blood and rejoicing in hope of the glory of God.
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How awful is it to be left behind at such a day to see so many others feasting while you
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Therefore, let everyone that is out of Christ now awake and fly from the wrath to come.
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The wrath of Almighty God is now undoubtedly hanging over a great part of this congregation.
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So, yes, is his language, is his rhetoric a little bit harsher than some pastors use today?
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Is it true that God abhors sin and that he actually does abhor sinners?
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I know that this is a subject of controversy and debate.
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But we understand that God hates sin so much that he cannot be in the presence of it and
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that he demands holiness so much that he actually hates those who are perpetuating sin.
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But we also know that God offers redemption, that God offers restoration, that God offers
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healing, that he offers complete and total newness for those who by grace through faith
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So we understand that fate, that the fate of those who are rebelling now is not necessarily
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hell, but the preaching of truth and the preaching of the danger of eternal wrath is actually
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necessary for us to show people the state of their heart and what could be their fate any
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And I think that's uncomfortable to us today because we think that the gospel is Jesus loves
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The gospel is that God hates sin so much, but because he is so good and so loving, he
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has made a way for sinners to be made holy and reconciled to him through Christ.
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But there is no gospel without showing how much God abhors sin.
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And that the gospel changes someone from a state of being an enemy of God, which is what
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scripture says, to being a friend and son and daughter of God.
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So while Beth Moore may not understand why people like Jonathan Edwards, Jonathan Edwards
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played a huge role in the Great Awakening during the time of the Enlightenment in the 18th
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century, and I don't agree with a lot of the things that he said.
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He defended he was an advocate for infant baptism, which is not something that I believe in.
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He was his theology and his writings played a huge role in thousands and thousands of people
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And I think that today we are so soft with our language.
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We are so scared to talk about the wrath of God that we almost don't even show people why
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Like if all you tell someone is that God loves you and he's there for you, well, then why do
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If the gospel is really that God loves you the way that you are, how is that good news,
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And that doesn't really offer anything different than what the secular world is offering you.
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It doesn't offer any kind of satisfaction or fulfillment or hope that you're really looking
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And such were some of you, but you are washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the
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name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the spirit of our God.
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Somehow, in a way that I think is mysterious to us, God hates sinners, but also loves the
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world so much that John 3.16, as John 3.16 says, that he gave Jesus to die on the cross
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So he loves the world so much, even as he hates sinners, which means that he is providing a
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way for sinners for all of us, because all of us at one point were dead in our sin, to
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be reconciled to him, to become friends with him.
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We were once enemies of God and we have become his friends through Christ.
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For if while we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his son, much more now
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that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life.
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The Psalms are full of God's wrath towards the wicked, his hatred for the wicked, his promise
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And I think some of us like to think that we are not a part of that.
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And if we are without Christ, though, we are, we are subject to God's wrath.
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And so I think that Beth Moore understands why Jonathan Edwards is appealing to a lot
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That doesn't mean that you have to like all of his choice of words, but I think it's important
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for people to know how imminent the threat of hell is and how God's wrath is real.
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I mean, all of this self-love gibberish that we are telling to people, how many souls is it
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Or is it just making people more comfortable in their sin?
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What's our role as an evangelist, as a Christian?
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Is it to make people comfortable in their sin or is it to make people uncomfortable in their
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sin and show them a much better way that the love of God is so vast and so big and so strong
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that he has actually provided an undeserving people, a way of redemption?
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And if God accomplished preaching that gospel through Jonathan Edwards, then I say yes and