On this week's episode of Relatable, Allie answers some of your questions and talks about the He Gets Us campaign, the Duggar-Vuolo feud, and much more! Relatable is a podcast where we talk about life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness through the lens of gratitude.
00:03:42.740There are things that I do that are on the more holistic side of things.
00:03:46.440But I would say I'm more like want to be crunchy than actual crunchy and holistic.
00:03:51.900But I have to say like I am so thankful to live in the time that we do when it comes to access to medication.
00:04:02.460Like I do think that something that I see in like the crunchy influencer world a lot is, well, we've started doing XYZ or taking this medicine.
00:04:11.680But, you know, we didn't have that in the 1800s.
00:06:34.160But that's also how you are able to listen to this podcast for free is our wonderful sponsors that they are who make that possible for you.
00:06:50.480Now, I have publicly said that I am not going to wade into this conflict.
00:06:54.780I tweeted about this, that one of the best things that you can do for yourself, both personally and professionally, is to not involve yourself in conflicts that don't involve you.
00:07:05.440I'm talking about conflicts like this.
00:07:07.440I'm not talking about, like, standing in the state of the most vulnerable when I'm talking about, like, standing against abortion and things like that.
00:07:15.220I'm not talking about, like, saving someone's life.
00:07:17.220Um, and I do think that there are situations where maybe someone has to wade into a conflict in order to try to actually bring peace to it or to try to bring clarity to onlookers or to the situation, whatever.
00:07:31.360I just don't think that is my particular role in this conflict.
00:07:34.920Do I have thoughts on the Crowder Daily Wire stuff?
00:07:41.960And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you can go back, you can listen to watch Crowder's video, and then you can watch Daily Wire's response to Crowder's video, and then you can watch Crowder's response to Daily Wire's video, and then you can watch Candace on TimCast, and then you can watch Crowder on TimCast.
00:07:55.660I have to say, I have enjoyed, I have enjoyed watching all of it, and the reason that I've enjoyed watching all of it is because I've been in conservative media officially since, I guess, 2017.
00:08:07.960So I've seen a lot of these contracts.
00:08:10.320I know a lot of the people who are involved in this.
00:08:14.660I understand a lot of the conversations that go on behind the scenes, not just because of, you know, my own dealings and my own contract negotiations over the years, but also my friends in conservative media.
00:08:30.640So it's all super interesting to me, probably even more so than it is to someone outside of conservative media, because, like, this is my life.
00:08:38.300I, you know, there's not many things that I know the intricate details of, but, like, conservative media and contract negotiations, I at least know a segment of that pretty well.
00:08:51.000So, anyway, all very fascinating to me.
00:08:54.020I have enjoyed following along, even though it's sad to see some kind of, you know, conflict like this between friends.
00:09:02.320But I just don't think that it is valuable to me to, like, insert myself into this at all or to even give my thoughts publicly.
00:09:24.740And there are some friends that I've talked to about all of this who are in conservative media.
00:09:29.520But I just don't feel like there needs to be yet another voice who is, I don't know, I don't want to say stirring the pot, because not everyone who is talking about it is necessarily stirring the pot.
00:09:43.860They're just sharing their thoughts and adding clarity.
00:09:46.540But for me, I feel like that's almost what I would be doing.
00:09:49.560And I just don't think I have that much to add publicly that's valuable.
00:09:54.160But I got a lot of questions on Instagram about that.
00:09:57.740And so I just wanted to say that's, like, my non-response.
00:11:10.020I have had the heebie-jeebies about the He Gets Us campaign since the very beginning.
00:11:14.900And they were heebie-jeebies that I didn't want to have, honestly.
00:11:18.360Like, when you see a commercial about Jesus, a positive commercial about Jesus, like, of course, as a Christian, I want to say, you know what?
00:11:26.560Whatever it takes, yes, if this gets people to go to their local Bible teaching, gospel preaching church, then, yeah, that's awesome.
00:11:41.820But it just kept on making me uncomfortable.
00:11:46.500And the more that I thought about it, the more that I realized – and, again, I will get into this more thoroughly in a future episode, probably even as soon as next week.
00:11:56.560It is because it is so focused on making Jesus relatable that we lose who Jesus actually is.
00:12:06.900It really isn't about – like, these commercials aren't really about Jesus.
00:12:27.440And you have to start with that relatability, that empath factor.
00:12:32.920And then you have to, like, work from there and hope that people will eventually get on board.
00:12:38.060I'm just not so sure that that method is reflected in Scripture.
00:12:41.620And I don't know that Jesus getting us is the main message that I want to be driving home to unbelievers because that alone is not good news.
00:12:53.960So if I only have, like, a few seconds to capture an unbeliever's attention about the gospel and who Jesus is, I don't think I want my message to be that God relates to you.
00:13:04.780Well, there's – or that Jesus relates to you.
00:13:07.580He – yes, he is a high priest that sympathizes with our weaknesses, who was tempted in every way, but was without sin.
00:13:15.400But I don't think the main thrust, the main point of the gospel is that he can relate to everything that we've done and everything that we are.
00:13:25.880And also some of the descriptions aren't true.
00:13:39.120And it's not even necessarily historically correct to say that he was a refugee.
00:13:43.540We've talked about that several times.
00:13:45.120And so I think that can also be what happens when we try to impose, like, our – who we are and the Scriptures of ourselves or of human groups today on God to try to make him more relatable.
00:14:42.840And I think that there are a variety of ways to eat oatmeal.
00:14:48.680I really don't like wearing flip-flops on planes.
00:14:51.860I would feel like a giant hypocrite for the rest of my life.
00:14:56.720And I would also feel bad because if you guys have been around for a long period of time or any period, you know that I have very strict airport attire rules.
00:15:09.540And one of them is that I don't believe that you should ever wear open-toe shoes on an airplane.
00:15:16.180Many reasons, like when you're going through security, unless you have TSA pre-check, you got to take your shoes off.
00:15:21.540You don't want to walk barefoot through the airport.
00:15:25.520Also, I just don't think people in close quarters, like airplanes, need to see or smell your feet.
00:15:32.100And so I just think that, and also for emergencies, if you've got to run, like if you've got to run to your plane that's about to take off,
00:15:40.500then you need to wear closed-toe shoes.
00:15:43.200You need to wear shoes that you can run in.
00:15:44.740Even like Birkenstocks are not really good for that.
00:15:47.540Although they passed my test, they're not really good for the emergent reasons or the emergent issues that could come up.
00:15:53.740Like you've got to run to your flight or if a real emergency happens and you've got to get off the plane,
00:16:00.500if there's like fire, the tennis shoe protects your foot.
00:16:07.060All kinds of reasons to wear tennis shoes, closed-toe shoes on planes.
00:16:11.580And so if I had to wear flip-flops on planes for the rest of my life, I would feel really sad about that.
00:16:16.420I would at least have to remind everyone who saw me that I lost a would-you-rather or something like that.
00:16:52.940And the person on Instagram asked me, like, what do I think about that pushback and about that distinction?
00:16:58.700Personally, while I, you know, respect and honor my guest and I understand what he was saying,
00:17:04.420and I'm not even sure he was necessarily pushing back.
00:17:06.580I think he was just, you know, making his own distinctions for people, which is totally fine.
00:17:10.940I personally think that that is a distinction that Christians make, that is something that sounds good, but is not necessarily based on scripture.
00:17:20.300Like, I do think that shame over sin is productive.
00:17:26.860I don't think that we need to necessarily distinguish between godly grief and shame.
00:17:33.120I think that if you are a Christian and you sinned and you are ashamed of that sin, or if you're not a Christian and you're ashamed of that sin,
00:17:40.300the Holy Spirit convicted you of that sin and you repent, all of that, and then, you know, become a believer.
00:18:44.460They were proud of what they were doing.
00:18:46.800And what the scripture is saying is that there is shame associated with that.
00:18:50.860There is shame that is associated with sin.
00:18:53.920And yet they were committing these acts shamelessly, which just speaks to, especially in the context of this chapter, the callousness that was in their heart.
00:19:15.040I say this to your shame, to your shame, not necessarily to your guilt.
00:19:20.860Although I think that can be the same thing.
00:19:22.960But I'm saying he's not distinguishing there.
00:19:25.480He is actually now he's speaking to Christians.
00:19:28.080So in Romans, we were kind of talking about how non-Christians are shameless in their sin.
00:19:34.120And he is saying here in this context, and you can go read the whole chapter, 1 Corinthians 15, that he is saying, I say this to your shame.
00:19:43.180He's saying, I am shaming you that some people are walking around without any knowledge of God.
00:19:50.340And he's saying that you share some responsibility in that.
00:19:53.680And so he's not afraid to use shame as a tool for other Christians.
00:19:59.420For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret, talking about sinners, talking about the world, talking about the depraved and perverse acts that they do and the lives that they live.
00:20:14.200It is shameful to even speak of the things that they do in secret.
00:20:22.200So we are actually seeing a trend throughout the New Testament and in the Old Testament, too.
00:20:28.060Like if you look, especially in the book of in Psalms, like we see constantly prayers for God to shame the enemies and promises that God's people whom he will deliver will not be put to shame.
00:20:44.180But really, the theme that we see in shame and the Old and the New Testament is shame over sin.
00:20:49.240That is the right feeling that Christians should have.
00:20:53.520People who are called by God should have shame over their sin.
00:20:57.160I think shame is a very useful and gracious tool.
00:21:00.980Now, that doesn't mean that we constantly berate someone for their sin.
00:21:04.220Like we believe in grace and forgiveness and total redemption and reconciliation and restoration that God makes us a new creation and all of that.
00:21:13.080So we shouldn't feel shame all the time about everything.
00:21:18.400We are new creations if we are in Christ.
00:21:20.860But when we sin, we should be ashamed of that sin.
00:21:25.680That shame shouldn't put us into hiding.
00:21:28.600It should actually bring us to a place of conviction and accountability with other believers so that we will not go on sinning.
00:21:35.760But I do think shame, yes, can be helpful.
00:21:38.660And in a societal sense, shame can also be helpful to maybe not to the point of some like older Asian cultures where people are literally like publicly shamed for doing something that is like, you know, not socially acceptable.
00:21:54.720But stigma has is something that has been hard won over many generations.
00:22:01.560There are stigmas that exist for a reason.
00:22:04.200Not all of them are justified, but some of them are.
00:22:06.580There should be shame around certain things like public nudity or public defecation or public drug use or, you know, kinds of like sexuality and different kinds of lives that people lead that are not good for the individual, not good for society.
00:22:28.080There should be a level of shame and stigma around those things, this idea that everything is relative, that everyone should just go their own way and do their own thing.
00:22:38.900I'm not saying that we should have a shame-fueled society, but shame is a or an, an, an important aspect to every healthy functioning society.