Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 746 ｜ Crowder vs. DW, Predestination & the Importance of Shame ｜ Q&A

00:00:00.000 What are my thoughts on the He Gets Us campaign?

00:00:03.260 What about the Daily Wire and Crowder feud?

00:00:08.360 And would I rather wear flip-flops on airplanes or only eat oatmeal for the rest of my life?

00:00:15.380 Also, how can I be pro-death penalty for murderers and believe in the saving work of Jesus on the cross?

00:00:25.280 Why are seed oils so bad?

00:00:26.880 These are some of the many questions that I will be answering today on this episode of Relatable,

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00:00:51.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:52.860 Happy Thursday.

00:00:53.880 So as you can see in here, I don't look and sound like I usually do.

00:00:59.300 I'm not in my studio.

00:01:00.280 I don't have my normal microphone, so you'll just have to bear with us.

00:01:03.400 I am recovering from the flu and thankfully I am truly recovering.

00:01:08.460 I still have kind of like a lingering cough going on.

00:01:12.320 Yesterday we were able to put up our interview that we recorded last week with Ginger Duggar-Vuolo.

00:01:19.140 Oh my gosh, you guys are absolutely loving that conversation.

00:01:24.080 Go listen to that.

00:01:24.900 Watch on YouTube if you haven't already.

00:01:26.960 So good.

00:01:28.060 I'm so thankful that she took the time to come on.

00:01:30.940 And thank all of you, by the way, who have been praying for me for the past couple days.

00:01:35.240 I've been posting on Instagram that I haven't felt well.

00:01:38.540 And some of you have been like, wow, I feel like you've been sick a lot recently.

00:01:42.220 And that is true.

00:01:43.700 I have been sick a lot recently.

00:01:46.280 Over the past few months, I used to pride myself on never getting sick.

00:01:52.380 Such a strong immune system.

00:01:54.140 For some reason over the past few months, like my family has just gotten like cold after cold.

00:01:58.080 Like I had a stomach bug, which, wow, I don't think I've gotten in like years.

00:02:01.500 Probably since I was like in middle school or high school.

00:02:04.380 But I think that this is the first season, honestly, when so many things went back to normal.

00:02:09.240 Even though we lived our lives in a relatively normal way during COVID and all of that.

00:02:14.780 Still, this fall was when things like really started getting back.

00:02:18.640 Like I started traveling more, speaking more places.

00:02:21.280 Like my family and I, we went more places.

00:02:25.040 Also, I started like working out at like a public place.

00:02:29.100 And I didn't used to.

00:02:30.940 My kids started going more places.

00:02:32.320 So I think it's just being exposed to a lot more things and all of that.

00:02:37.880 I'm not sure.

00:02:38.600 But thankfully, all of these sicknesses have lasted only a couple days or so.

00:02:43.140 But they have really taken me down for the count.

00:02:46.480 I'm so thankful for all of you.

00:02:48.640 And I'm also thankful for just like a flexible job that I get to do what I love to do.

00:02:55.320 What I'm enthusiastic about doing.

00:02:57.000 But I also have the ability to move things around.

00:02:59.520 So I'm not like tied to a desk for eight hours of the day.

00:03:03.580 And I'm worried about like taking paid time off and things like that.

00:03:06.740 So I'm just thankful.

00:03:08.240 Thankful to the Lord for a lot of things.

00:03:10.040 Not least of which modern medicine.

00:03:12.400 I just want to say that.

00:03:13.820 That's something I've been thinking about before we get into our Q&A.

00:03:17.120 It's something I've been thinking about recently.

00:03:18.380 Because there has been this cross section that's grown over the past couple of years of like crunchy and conservative.

00:03:25.020 And what I view my crunchy is like non-traditional Western medicine and just ways of healing and living.

00:03:34.700 So very natural.

00:03:36.540 And I have like a lot of sympathy for that.

00:03:38.300 I would say I'm partly crunchy.

00:03:40.360 Like I've got my Berkey water filter.

00:03:42.740 There are things that I do that are on the more holistic side of things.

00:03:46.440 But I would say I'm more like want to be crunchy than actual crunchy and holistic.

00:03:51.900 But I have to say like I am so thankful to live in the time that we do when it comes to access to medication.

00:04:02.460 Like I do think that something that I see in like the crunchy influencer world a lot is, well, we've started doing XYZ or taking this medicine.

00:04:11.680 But, you know, we didn't have that in the 1800s.

00:04:14.960 Our ancestors didn't have that.

00:04:16.320 Our ancestors had to do this.

00:04:17.760 And our ancestors were fine.

00:04:19.240 But I think about all of our ancestors that were totally not fine.

00:04:23.400 That didn't have all of the medication that we had.

00:04:26.040 That didn't have things like antibiotics.

00:04:28.400 That didn't have things like access to hot running water constantly where they could just take a warm bath when they felt bad.

00:04:36.040 Or they could just sit in the shower to try to get over their symptoms.

00:04:39.600 I mean, so many different pieces of medicine and technology that I'm so thankful for today.

00:04:44.880 I probably will never go like full on crunchy because I am too thankful for access to these kinds of modern wonders.

00:04:56.080 Grocery stores, love them.

00:04:58.660 Antibiotics, love them.

00:05:00.520 Indoor plumbing, love it.

00:05:03.360 So, yeah, that's just something I've been thinking about over the past couple of days.

00:05:07.100 I've had to take some medication to manage my symptoms and try to, like, to sleep well and all of that stuff.

00:05:14.500 I wouldn't trade any of this for the holistic life of the 1800s.

00:05:18.580 Okay, we've got a variety of questions that we will be answering.

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00:06:45.620 All right.

00:06:46.020 Let's get into some of these questions.

00:06:47.860 Daily Wire and Crowder drama.

00:06:50.480 Now, I have publicly said that I am not going to wade into this conflict.

00:06:54.780 I tweeted about this, that one of the best things that you can do for yourself, both personally and professionally, is to not involve yourself in conflicts that don't involve you.

00:07:05.440 I'm talking about conflicts like this.

00:07:07.440 I'm not talking about, like, standing in the state of the most vulnerable when I'm talking about, like, standing against abortion and things like that.

00:07:15.220 I'm not talking about, like, saving someone's life.

00:07:17.220 Um, and I do think that there are situations where maybe someone has to wade into a conflict in order to try to actually bring peace to it or to try to bring clarity to onlookers or to the situation, whatever.

00:07:31.360 I just don't think that is my particular role in this conflict.

00:07:34.920 Do I have thoughts on the Crowder Daily Wire stuff?

00:07:40.900 Of course I do.

00:07:41.960 And if you don't know what I'm talking about, you can go back, you can listen to watch Crowder's video, and then you can watch Daily Wire's response to Crowder's video, and then you can watch Crowder's response to Daily Wire's video, and then you can watch Candace on TimCast, and then you can watch Crowder on TimCast.

00:07:55.660 I have to say, I have enjoyed, I have enjoyed watching all of it, and the reason that I've enjoyed watching all of it is because I've been in conservative media officially since, I guess, 2017.

00:08:07.960 So I've seen a lot of these contracts.

00:08:10.320 I know a lot of the people who are involved in this.

00:08:14.660 I understand a lot of the conversations that go on behind the scenes, not just because of, you know, my own dealings and my own contract negotiations over the years, but also my friends in conservative media.

00:08:29.020 We talk about these things.

00:08:30.640 So it's all super interesting to me, probably even more so than it is to someone outside of conservative media, because, like, this is my life.

00:08:38.300 I, you know, there's not many things that I know the intricate details of, but, like, conservative media and contract negotiations, I at least know a segment of that pretty well.

00:08:51.000 So, anyway, all very fascinating to me.

00:08:54.020 I have enjoyed following along, even though it's sad to see some kind of, you know, conflict like this between friends.

00:09:02.320 But I just don't think that it is valuable to me to, like, insert myself into this at all or to even give my thoughts publicly.

00:09:13.000 I have a ton of thoughts.

00:09:14.040 My husband is the only one that knows all of my thoughts.

00:09:16.840 I'll, like, watch the video.

00:09:18.380 I'll pause it and I'll be like, but you remember XYZ? 0.85

00:09:22.200 Oh, my gosh.

00:09:22.700 But what about this?

00:09:23.580 So many different things.

00:09:24.740 And there are some friends that I've talked to about all of this who are in conservative media.

00:09:29.520 But I just don't feel like there needs to be yet another voice who is, I don't know, I don't want to say stirring the pot, because not everyone who is talking about it is necessarily stirring the pot.

00:09:43.860 They're just sharing their thoughts and adding clarity.

00:09:46.540 But for me, I feel like that's almost what I would be doing.

00:09:49.560 And I just don't think I have that much to add publicly that's valuable.

00:09:54.160 But I got a lot of questions on Instagram about that.

00:09:57.740 And so I just wanted to say that's, like, my non-response.

00:10:01.200 Super interesting.

00:10:02.200 We'll see how it plays out.

00:10:03.500 Maybe I'll have something to say when it all kind of concludes.

00:10:07.780 But, yeah, that's really the only thing that I'll share right now.

00:10:11.580 All right.

00:10:12.420 Some of you have been asking me, and I will have a more thorough response to this question at some point.

00:10:19.560 You've been asking me about the He Gets Us campaign, the He Gets Us campaign.

00:10:24.780 Some of you have probably seen that.

00:10:26.720 I have, like, we had, like, a whole episode planned to do this.

00:10:29.820 But I just need, like, a little more time to really solidify and research my biblically-based answers when it comes to this.

00:10:41.440 But it is the – they're the commercials that you've probably seen.

00:10:45.360 Maybe you've seen it in, like, a tweet on Twitter.

00:10:48.100 Or maybe you saw it.

00:10:49.020 I think I saw it for the first time in, like, a Super Bowl commercial.

00:10:51.600 But it is basically saying, going through all of these descriptors of Jesus and saying that Jesus gets us.

00:11:01.720 Like, Jesus was an activist.

00:11:03.820 Jesus was a refugee. 0.98

00:11:05.220 Jesus did all of these things that you and I do.

00:11:09.020 He gets us.

00:11:10.020 I have had the heebie-jeebies about the He Gets Us campaign since the very beginning.

00:11:14.900 And they were heebie-jeebies that I didn't want to have, honestly. 1.00

00:11:18.360 Like, when you see a commercial about Jesus, a positive commercial about Jesus, like, of course, as a Christian, I want to say, you know what?

00:11:26.560 Whatever it takes, yes, if this gets people to go to their local Bible teaching, gospel preaching church, then, yeah, that's awesome.

00:11:37.680 I wanted to be on board with it.

00:11:39.760 I did not want to be a critic of it.

00:11:41.820 But it just kept on making me uncomfortable.

00:11:46.500 And the more that I thought about it, the more that I realized – and, again, I will get into this more thoroughly in a future episode, probably even as soon as next week.

00:11:56.560 It is because it is so focused on making Jesus relatable that we lose who Jesus actually is.

00:12:06.900 It really isn't about – like, these commercials aren't really about Jesus.

00:12:11.180 Like, they're really about us.

00:12:13.360 They really don't center on who Jesus is, on what the amazingness of the gospel is, but really on who we are.

00:12:21.440 And that's not the gospel.

00:12:23.360 And maybe the argument is, well, that's where you have to start.

00:12:25.840 You have to start with that.

00:12:27.440 And you have to start with that relatability, that empath factor.

00:12:32.920 And then you have to, like, work from there and hope that people will eventually get on board.

00:12:38.060 I'm just not so sure that that method is reflected in Scripture.

00:12:41.620 And I don't know that Jesus getting us is the main message that I want to be driving home to unbelievers because that alone is not good news. 1.00

00:12:53.960 So if I only have, like, a few seconds to capture an unbeliever's attention about the gospel and who Jesus is, I don't think I want my message to be that God relates to you.

00:13:04.780 Well, there's – or that Jesus relates to you.

00:13:07.580 He – yes, he is a high priest that sympathizes with our weaknesses, who was tempted in every way, but was without sin.

00:13:15.400 But I don't think the main thrust, the main point of the gospel is that he can relate to everything that we've done and everything that we are.

00:13:25.880 And also some of the descriptions aren't true.

00:13:27.640 Jesus was not an activist.

00:13:29.800 He was not.

00:13:31.220 There is no scriptural references that back up this idea that Jesus was an activist.

00:13:36.700 He absolutely was not an activist.

00:13:39.120 And it's not even necessarily historically correct to say that he was a refugee.

00:13:43.540 We've talked about that several times.

00:13:45.120 And so I think that can also be what happens when we try to impose, like, our – who we are and the Scriptures of ourselves or of human groups today on God to try to make him more relatable.

00:13:58.300 We actually end up being unbiblical.

00:14:01.400 And being relatable to the point of being unbiblical means that you miss the good news and miss the gospel altogether.

00:14:08.160 So, again, I will get into that more thoroughly and more biblically going forward.

00:14:12.900 But just my initial reaction, not a huge fan of He Gets Us.

00:14:17.220 All right.

00:14:28.780 Next question.

00:14:30.500 Would you rather, someone asks, eat oatmeal for the rest of your life or only be able to wear flip-flops on planes?

00:14:38.720 Well, I like oatmeal.

00:14:42.840 And I think that there are a variety of ways to eat oatmeal.

00:14:48.680 I really don't like wearing flip-flops on planes. 0.96

00:14:51.860 I would feel like a giant hypocrite for the rest of my life.

00:14:56.720 And I would also feel bad because if you guys have been around for a long period of time or any period, you know that I have very strict airport attire rules.

00:15:09.540 And one of them is that I don't believe that you should ever wear open-toe shoes on an airplane.

00:15:16.180 Many reasons, like when you're going through security, unless you have TSA pre-check, you got to take your shoes off.

00:15:21.540 You don't want to walk barefoot through the airport.

00:15:25.520 Also, I just don't think people in close quarters, like airplanes, need to see or smell your feet.

00:15:32.100 And so I just think that, and also for emergencies, if you've got to run, like if you've got to run to your plane that's about to take off,

00:15:40.500 then you need to wear closed-toe shoes.

00:15:43.200 You need to wear shoes that you can run in.

00:15:44.740 Even like Birkenstocks are not really good for that.

00:15:47.540 Although they passed my test, they're not really good for the emergent reasons or the emergent issues that could come up.

00:15:53.740 Like you've got to run to your flight or if a real emergency happens and you've got to get off the plane,

00:16:00.500 if there's like fire, the tennis shoe protects your foot.

00:16:07.060 All kinds of reasons to wear tennis shoes, closed-toe shoes on planes.

00:16:11.580 And so if I had to wear flip-flops on planes for the rest of my life, I would feel really sad about that.

00:16:16.420 I would at least have to remind everyone who saw me that I lost a would-you-rather or something like that.

00:16:22.620 And that would be the reason why. 0.93

00:16:24.320 So I think I'm going to have to go with oatmeal because I don't want to be a giant hypocrite. 0.94

00:16:28.200 You know what I'm saying? 0.96

00:16:29.280 All right.

00:16:29.660 Someone asked me about some pushback that I got on an episode, on an interview that I did last week, I think it was, about shame.

00:16:41.800 Because I said that shame can be good.

00:16:44.140 Shame can actually be productive.

00:16:45.380 And I believe my guest, I think it was about porn, actually said,

00:16:47.960 well, there's a difference between shame and godly grief.

00:16:50.020 Shame is not good.

00:16:51.260 Godly grief is good.

00:16:52.940 And the person on Instagram asked me, like, what do I think about that pushback and about that distinction?

00:16:58.700 Personally, while I, you know, respect and honor my guest and I understand what he was saying,

00:17:04.420 and I'm not even sure he was necessarily pushing back.

00:17:06.580 I think he was just, you know, making his own distinctions for people, which is totally fine.

00:17:10.940 I personally think that that is a distinction that Christians make, that is something that sounds good, but is not necessarily based on scripture.

00:17:20.300 Like, I do think that shame over sin is productive.

00:17:24.440 And I think it's good.

00:17:25.540 And I think it's biblical.

00:17:26.860 I don't think that we need to necessarily distinguish between godly grief and shame.

00:17:33.120 I think that if you are a Christian and you sinned and you are ashamed of that sin, or if you're not a Christian and you're ashamed of that sin,

00:17:40.300 the Holy Spirit convicted you of that sin and you repent, all of that, and then, you know, become a believer.

00:17:45.980 I think that that shame is good.

00:17:49.040 I don't think that shame is always from Satan.

00:17:51.400 I think that shame can actually be a gracious gift of the Lord.

00:17:55.120 And I don't think that there is this huge difference between shame and guilt, not that we see in scripture.

00:18:05.400 And there are a few verses that I was looking at this morning as I was thinking about this question.

00:18:11.360 And if you look at Romans 1, Romans 1, obviously describing just the upside downness of the sinful world.

00:18:18.460 And one of the verses, verse 27, says this,

00:18:20.860 So obviously the problem here was homosexual or homosexual behavior, but there was a shamelessness to what they were doing. 0.78

00:18:41.900 They were not ashamed of their sin.

00:18:44.460 They were proud of what they were doing.

00:18:46.800 And what the scripture is saying is that there is shame associated with that.

00:18:50.860 There is shame that is associated with sin.

00:18:53.920 And yet they were committing these acts shamelessly, which just speaks to, especially in the context of this chapter, the callousness that was in their heart.

00:19:03.440 1 Corinthians 15, 34.

00:19:05.840 This is Paul speaking to the church in Corinth.

00:19:09.160 Wake up from your drunken stupor as is right and do not go on sinning.

00:19:13.220 For some have no knowledge of God.

00:19:15.040 I say this to your shame, to your shame, not necessarily to your guilt.

00:19:20.860 Although I think that can be the same thing.

00:19:22.960 But I'm saying he's not distinguishing there.

00:19:25.480 He is actually now he's speaking to Christians.

00:19:28.080 So in Romans, we were kind of talking about how non-Christians are shameless in their sin. 1.00

00:19:34.120 And he is saying here in this context, and you can go read the whole chapter, 1 Corinthians 15, that he is saying, I say this to your shame.

00:19:43.180 He's saying, I am shaming you that some people are walking around without any knowledge of God.

00:19:50.340 And he's saying that you share some responsibility in that.

00:19:53.680 And so he's not afraid to use shame as a tool for other Christians. 0.75

00:19:57.840 Ephesians 5, 12.

00:19:59.420 For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret, talking about sinners, talking about the world, talking about the depraved and perverse acts that they do and the lives that they live.

00:20:14.200 It is shameful to even speak of the things that they do in secret.

00:20:18.900 Shameful.

00:20:19.440 It is full of shame.

00:20:20.780 We should have shame over sin.

00:20:22.200 So we are actually seeing a trend throughout the New Testament and in the Old Testament, too.

00:20:28.060 Like if you look, especially in the book of in Psalms, like we see constantly prayers for God to shame the enemies and promises that God's people whom he will deliver will not be put to shame.

00:20:41.700 So God does deliver us from shame.

00:20:44.180 But really, the theme that we see in shame and the Old and the New Testament is shame over sin.

00:20:49.240 That is the right feeling that Christians should have. 0.76

00:20:53.520 People who are called by God should have shame over their sin.

00:20:57.160 I think shame is a very useful and gracious tool.

00:21:00.980 Now, that doesn't mean that we constantly berate someone for their sin.

00:21:04.220 Like we believe in grace and forgiveness and total redemption and reconciliation and restoration that God makes us a new creation and all of that.

00:21:13.080 So we shouldn't feel shame all the time about everything.

00:21:18.400 We are new creations if we are in Christ.

00:21:20.860 But when we sin, we should be ashamed of that sin.

00:21:25.680 That shame shouldn't put us into hiding.

00:21:28.600 It should actually bring us to a place of conviction and accountability with other believers so that we will not go on sinning.

00:21:35.760 But I do think shame, yes, can be helpful. 0.74

00:21:38.660 And in a societal sense, shame can also be helpful to maybe not to the point of some like older Asian cultures where people are literally like publicly shamed for doing something that is like, you know, not socially acceptable.

00:21:54.720 But stigma has is something that has been hard won over many generations.

00:22:01.560 There are stigmas that exist for a reason.

00:22:04.200 Not all of them are justified, but some of them are.

00:22:06.580 There should be shame around certain things like public nudity or public defecation or public drug use or, you know, kinds of like sexuality and different kinds of lives that people lead that are not good for the individual, not good for society.

00:22:28.080 There should be a level of shame and stigma around those things, this idea that everything is relative, that everyone should just go their own way and do their own thing.

00:22:36.580 How's that working out for us?

00:22:38.120 Not good.

00:22:38.900 I'm not saying that we should have a shame-fueled society, but shame is a or an, an, an important aspect to every healthy functioning society.

00:22:51.140 All right.

00:22:51.740 Next question is about the death penalty, a question that I get a lot.

00:22:55.220 How can you be pro-death penalty?

00:22:56.860 Did Jesus not die for our sins?

00:22:59.280 So, um, I've done whole episodes on this.

00:23:02.000 You can go back and listen to them if you want.

00:23:04.880 Um, by this logic, Jesus died for our sins.

00:23:09.040 So we shouldn't be pro-death penalty, which is what I think that you're saying.

00:23:12.180 We shouldn't have any punishment for any crimes.

00:23:15.300 There should be no punishment because Jesus died for our sins.

00:23:18.660 So why should we have any laws?

00:23:20.900 Why should there be any law enforcement?

00:23:22.800 Jesus' death and resurrection does not take away earthly judgment.

00:23:28.520 How do we know that?

00:23:29.400 Well, we see that in Romans 13.

00:23:31.260 You can read the whole chapter, but verse four speaks to this.

00:23:34.840 But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he, the government, does not bear the sword in vain,

00:23:40.320 for he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out wrath on the wrongdoer.

00:23:46.100 So there's so much packed into that verse, if you do wrong, be afraid, for the government

00:23:50.800 does not bear the sword, the sword in vain, for he is the servant of God, an avenger who

00:23:56.440 carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

00:23:59.540 This is the New Testament.

00:24:00.820 This is after the death, burial, resurrection of Christ.

00:24:05.540 So just because Jesus died for our sins and just because we earn earthly or we earn or not

00:24:13.680 we earn, but we have been given salvation through him does not mean that we don't abide by laws

00:24:23.200 here on this earth.

00:24:24.940 Not all laws, any law that causes us to sin against God, we don't follow.

00:24:29.540 But we do have to abide by the laws in our society handed down by the government and the government

00:24:40.420 has a role and responsibility as called by God to actually enforce that law, even to the

00:24:47.840 point of bearing the sword, Romans 13 says.

00:24:51.600 So God loves justice.

00:24:53.340 He loves order.

00:24:54.600 He loves these things because they are good for people.

00:24:57.240 We are people made in God's image and God is a God of order.

00:25:03.600 We thrive best with order.

00:25:05.540 In order to have order, you have to enforce laws.

00:25:08.880 You have to have rules.

00:25:09.940 You have to have boundaries.

00:25:11.040 You have to have restrictions that curb against man's evil.

00:25:15.900 Genesis 9, 6, whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed for God made

00:25:22.280 man in his own image.

00:25:25.060 So God actually here in Genesis 9, 6 demands the death penalty for murder.

00:25:29.460 He doesn't just say it's a possibility.

00:25:31.580 He demands the death penalty for murder.

00:25:34.280 Why?

00:25:34.940 For God made man in his own image.

00:25:37.800 So the reason that God gives for the death penalty for murder is a reason that transcends

00:25:45.860 this time and culture that does not stop after Jesus died and rose again.

00:25:55.240 We are still made in God's image to this day.

00:25:57.940 So the reason that God demands the death penalty for murder is because we are made in his image,

00:26:03.460 because we are so precious, because we are so valuable that the only just punishment

00:26:10.760 for purposely murdering an image bearer is killing the person who murdered him.

00:26:18.360 That's how much worth we have.

00:26:21.180 That's how much value we have.

00:26:23.140 That's how serious it is to purposely kill another human being.

00:26:28.160 There are lots of things that God demands the death penalty for in the Old Testament, like 0.70

00:26:32.760 being a false prophet or prostitution or rape. 0.71

00:26:36.120 We are not ancient Israel here in America. 0.94

00:26:38.360 We do not live in a theocracy.

00:26:39.760 So we don't have to apply all of the rules, the laws that ancient Israel abided by to America

00:26:47.420 today.

00:26:47.880 But we can look to God's laws as a standard and foundation of justice and realize there's

00:26:53.860 no way for us to out justice him.

00:26:56.800 We can't out compassion him.

00:26:58.500 We can't out love him.

00:26:59.620 So if God demanded a certain penalty for something, we are not going to out love or out justice

00:27:05.120 him by saying, oh, no, like that's too much or that's too harsh.

00:27:09.660 Um, and so God demands the death penalty for a variety of crimes in the Old Testament.

00:27:16.300 And of course, one of those is murder.

00:27:19.280 And I think that we should be much more consistent on that in the United States, because I believe

00:27:26.720 in protecting innocent life.

00:27:28.400 It's the same reason that I am anti-abortion, because I believe in the protection of vulnerable

00:27:34.260 and innocent life.

00:27:36.420 There can be a high standard, a high evidentiary standard for that.

00:27:40.660 I think that there should be, of course, due process and all of that before any kind

00:27:45.360 of conviction, but certainly before the death penalty.

00:27:48.000 But the death penalty is absolutely just.

00:28:01.420 So let me answer this question about predestination.

00:28:04.560 I might actually answer a couple more quick questions, too.

00:28:07.360 So someone asked me if I believe in predestination.

00:28:09.840 And again, I have a whole episode on this you can go back and listen to.

00:28:13.040 It's just titled predestination.

00:28:14.480 If you're ever wondering, has Ellie ever talked about this?

00:28:17.160 Just type in the subject that you're looking for, plus relatable Allie Bestucki, wherever

00:28:21.660 you listen to your podcast, it'll come up or the guest.

00:28:24.240 I get emails, messages all the time.

00:28:26.200 Why have you never had this person on?

00:28:27.640 Just type in that person's name, plus Allie Bestucki.

00:28:31.680 I probably have.

00:28:32.800 I've had a ton of people on at this point.

00:28:35.100 So predestination.

00:28:36.220 I do believe in predestination.

00:28:38.740 And let me read you just a few passages of many in scripture that support this belief.

00:28:44.360 Ephesians 1, 4 through 5.

00:28:46.080 Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world.

00:28:50.080 That's pretty clear.

00:28:51.340 That we should be holy and blameless before him.

00:28:53.480 In love, he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according

00:28:58.160 to the purpose of his will.

00:28:59.760 Romans 8, 28 through 30.

00:29:01.580 And we know that for those who love God, all things work together for good.

00:29:05.080 For those who are called according to his purpose.

00:29:07.240 For those whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his son, in

00:29:11.760 order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

00:29:14.600 And those whom he predestined, he also called.

00:29:16.920 And those whom he called, he also justified.

00:29:19.180 And those whom he justified, he also glorified.

00:29:22.680 So those are just two of many passages that talk about God choosing his people for himself,

00:29:29.720 even before creation.

00:29:33.240 And so God is all-knowing.

00:29:34.760 He is all-powerful.

00:29:36.100 So of course, he chose us in him.

00:29:38.460 There is a mysterious aspect in there that John 3, 16, for God so loved the world that

00:29:44.660 he gave his only son.

00:29:46.520 We also read that God wants no one to perish.

00:29:49.400 And yet we also read in Romans 9 that he creates vessels of wrath and vessels of mercy.

00:29:54.900 So there is a little bit of a mystery there that I'm not sure we finite humans will ever

00:30:01.900 fully understand that, yes, he wants everyone to come to know him.

00:30:08.020 And yet he has chosen his people.

00:30:12.160 He has chosen his flock before the foundations of the world in his sovereignty.

00:30:17.380 There's comfort in that.

00:30:18.600 I know some people are scared by predestination, but there's actually comfort in that, that

00:30:22.460 if you believe in Christ, if by grace through faith you have been saved and you are in him,

00:30:30.080 then there's nothing that you can do to change that because you had no contribution to your

00:30:35.520 salvation.

00:30:36.720 That was God and God alone.

00:30:38.920 And so there's nothing that you can do to mess it up.

00:30:42.780 That's what I believe.

00:30:43.740 And there's a lot of comfort in that.

00:30:45.080 There's a lot of security in that, that all glory and all praise goes to God for your salvation,

00:30:50.880 not to us.

00:30:53.040 Okay, a couple more questions.

00:30:54.380 Would love to see you and Matt Walsh discuss theology ever considered.

00:30:57.680 We've done that.

00:30:58.640 You can go back and listen to that episode.

00:31:00.240 It's from a couple years ago.

00:31:01.480 Um, let's see, hardest part about writing a book, hardest part about writing a book is

00:31:09.000 just the paralysis that comes from staring at a blank page, knowing what you want to say,

00:31:14.260 but not knowing how you're going to say it.

00:31:15.760 It's a lot easier to write a podcast to know how you want to say something rather than how

00:31:20.340 you want someone to read something.

00:31:22.220 That's a lot more difficult because it's a lot more permanent.

00:31:24.860 I can't hop on here next week and say, Oh, I know I wrote that in my book, but this is

00:31:29.020 what I really meant.

00:31:29.900 And so there's just a lot more pressure to get things right.

00:31:33.000 Um, in a book, uh, let's see.

00:31:38.580 How tall are you?

00:31:40.180 Five, six.

00:31:41.100 Are you answering?

00:31:42.720 Says, cause it didn't have a question mark.

00:31:44.580 Said, how tall are you?

00:31:45.380 Five, six.

00:31:45.860 I am five, six.

00:31:46.560 I'm actually like five, five and three fourths.

00:31:48.660 Um, but really close.

00:31:52.080 Um, have I ever had Candice Cameron Bure on my podcast or what I plan to?

00:31:56.100 We, I have asked her to come on the podcast.

00:31:57.940 I would love for her to come on the show. 0.98

00:32:00.160 Um, thoughts on dating apps.

00:32:02.460 Should I use them?

00:32:03.340 I know people who have gotten married from dating apps.

00:32:06.420 I don't know if they're necessarily the best place to find people.

00:32:09.500 I imagine they would be really difficult places to be on.

00:32:13.400 Um, I'm not saying you can't find your spouse there.

00:32:16.040 I just would think it would be difficult and hard for your, just how you see people and

00:32:22.020 how you see yourself too.

00:32:24.400 Um, thoughts on the Hillsong Exposed documentary.

00:32:28.040 Talked about that last year, uh, for a full episode with Megan Basham.

00:32:34.740 Um, why do I think seed oils are bad?

00:32:40.080 Have you talked to farmers on this?

00:32:42.860 Um, seed oils just create an inflammatory response in your body from what I've heard

00:32:48.680 because they are highly processed.

00:32:50.880 They are not naturally occurring.

00:32:54.780 Um, can I make my airport rules and Instagram highlight, please?

00:32:58.820 Sure.

00:32:59.040 I can try to do that.

00:33:00.000 All right.

00:33:11.680 Just to close us out.

00:33:13.800 Someone says, how are you feeling today?

00:33:16.660 Um, I am, it's, it's been a rough, it's been rough recording this episode.

00:33:21.840 I've had to take quite a few breaks because the lingering cough is just, um, really tough,

00:33:26.520 but I appreciate you asking.

00:33:27.680 And thanks again, as I said at the top, um, thanks again for all of your prayers.

00:33:34.160 Um, what do you think about gentle parenting, man?

00:33:36.620 There's a lot that I have to say about gentle parenting and I'm going to do a whole episode

00:33:40.180 on that at some point.

00:33:41.080 That's again, another one that requires a lot of, um, a lot of stuff, a lot of, uh, research

00:33:47.480 to make sure that I get it right.

00:33:49.120 I think there are some goods and some bads.

00:33:52.640 Oh, tips for coping after breaking off my engagement because I felt God was calling us

00:33:56.120 out of it.

00:33:57.120 Well, you know, I always say that you should listen to that very often.

00:34:01.400 I can't say every time, but very often listen to that tug, that pull, um, that tells you

00:34:08.020 this relationship isn't right.

00:34:09.880 And calling off an engagement is like a very small price to pay.

00:34:15.360 And I know it seems like a huge deal and it is a big deal.

00:34:18.080 I don't want to minimize that for you.

00:34:19.940 Um, but man, to be single and sad is way better than being married and sad and realizing that

00:34:28.260 you didn't listen to the Holy spirit.

00:34:29.600 And now you're trapped in something that was, um, maybe, you know, not the right decision.

00:34:35.280 Now, if you are married and you're in that situation, then you are married and there is

00:34:38.680 a way to glorify God through contentment and through serving your spouse and all of that.

00:34:43.080 And that's really, I'm not saying if it's an abusive situation, obviously.

00:34:46.120 Um, but that's a different scenario.

00:34:50.040 Breaking up, uh, um, breaking up an engagement is absolutely the right thing to do.

00:34:56.200 If you just kept on feeling that tug, like this is not right.

00:34:59.820 This is not right.

00:35:01.040 So I'm sorry that that happened.

00:35:02.640 I'm sure that, man, you are going through so much, um, right now and so much, uh, emotional

00:35:08.300 turmoil.

00:35:08.860 Know that time and the Lord will absolutely heal it.

00:35:12.940 And that one day you will look back probably I'm guessing, um, and know that you did the

00:35:18.240 right thing because God was leading you in a different direction.

00:35:21.400 So allow yourself to feel sad right now, but, and it might not seem like things are ever going

00:35:26.120 to change, but they will time and the Lord, they, they really heal a lot.

00:35:32.280 Um, all right.

00:35:35.340 I'm trying to think if I, someone's just says dinosaurs.

00:35:42.540 I have so many questions after I got saved girl.

00:35:45.280 We have got a whole past episode on debating whether or not dinosaurs are what is depicted

00:35:53.960 to us today by paleontologists.

00:35:56.220 I've got my doubts as well.

00:35:57.520 I've got my doubts.

00:35:58.200 How do they know what they sound like, look like, I think they're just a bunch of nerds

00:36:02.440 coming together and having a good time making up stories about what they think these creatures

00:36:07.020 would have looked like when really they have absolutely no idea.

00:36:11.120 I'll show, I'll show you if we have it, I will show you a picture of a hippo skull and

00:36:18.520 like what artists just looking at the school thought that it looks like it looks like some

00:36:22.420 crazy, like scary dinosaur.

00:36:24.800 And really it's a hippo skull.

00:36:26.480 So that's basically all they have.

00:36:28.500 All of the paleontologists just have bones and they're just like literally making up

00:36:32.960 what the scales looked like, what colors they were, what they sounded like.

00:36:36.240 They literally could have been hippos.

00:36:38.500 That's all I'm saying.

00:36:40.760 That's all I'm saying.

00:36:42.200 Um, all right.

00:36:42.720 That's all we've got time for today.

00:36:44.100 Thanks so much for listening.

00:36:46.200 Usually we wouldn't do a Q and a if you're new here on a Thursday, but this was the easiest

00:36:50.620 I could do since I'm under the weather.

00:36:52.140 We'll be back with our normal programming next week.

00:36:54.920 Thanks so much for tuning in.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 26, 2023

Ep 746 ｜ Crowder vs. DW, Predestination & the Importance of Shame ｜ Q&A

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