Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 754 ｜ 'UFOs' & Ohio Disaster： What’s REALLY Happening ｜ Guest： James Jay Carafano

00:00:00.000 While there are flying objects in America's airspace, are they aliens coming to rule over

00:00:07.880 us? Are they something else? Should we care? Why isn't the media really talking about what's going

00:00:15.180 on? Why isn't the government being more transparent? And then Ohio, what is happening

00:00:21.840 there with the large explosion that is affecting not just the human population in East Palestine,

00:00:27.660 Ohio, but also the animal population? We are going to break down everything that is happening with

00:00:34.580 these two mysterious stories. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.

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00:00:45.680 All right. So we obviously have a lot to talk about today. First, we're going to talk about

00:00:58.920 these Chinese spy balloons, UFOs, what is happening in our skies, and then we'll get to all of the

00:01:05.400 Ohio stuff. I mean, it's all really kind of connected in one way or another. I don't mean

00:01:09.680 that in a conspiratorial way. I just mean that, I mean, all of this kind of has to do with each

00:01:15.860 other and the leadership that we have selected to watch out for the well-being of the American

00:01:21.520 people. So first, we're going to talk to Jim Carrafano. He is the director of the Douglas

00:01:25.560 and Sarah Allison Center for Foreign Policy Studies at the Heritage Foundation. He is an adjunct

00:01:30.980 professor at the Institute of World Politics. He is an expert in all of this stuff, and he is going

00:01:35.700 to break down exactly what is happening with these unidentified flying objects. He actually

00:01:41.740 says that they are identified. We know exactly what they are. We know exactly why they are flying

00:01:47.140 and what exactly that they're doing. He dispels what he thinks are a lot of myths and a lot of

00:01:52.200 different theories that people are putting out there about what these balloons are, and he says that

00:01:56.880 they absolutely matter. And in case you didn't know, I mean, there's a Chinese spy balloon that got

00:02:03.180 shot down a couple of weeks ago. It was floating around. It got shot down outside of Myrtle Beach

00:02:07.420 on top of the ocean. But now there have been other objects that Canada has shot down and that America

00:02:14.400 has shot down, and people are like, what the heck is going on? And so our next guest is going to tell

00:02:19.560 us what the heck is going on, and then we'll get into the catastrophe that's happening in Ohio. So

00:02:23.860 without further ado, here is Heritage Foundation's Jim Carrafano.

00:02:27.560 Jen, thanks so much for joining us. All right. I'm just going to let you go. Please explain to us

00:02:36.060 what is flying in our airspace? What is Canada taking down? What are we taking down? What in

00:02:42.520 the world are we supposed to think about all of this? Yeah. Can I start by explaining why it's not

00:02:47.800 aliens? Just kind of get that off the table here. Sure. Look, if you're geeky like I am,

00:02:56.060 you actually read science books. There's actually a lot of science on this. And the physical reality

00:03:01.780 of it, well, first of all, they call it science fiction for a reason, because it's fiction.

00:03:05.880 If you actually look at what you need to do intergalactic space travel, the level of energy

00:03:10.660 and technology you need is so advanced that even if an alien race came to the here, we probably

00:03:18.520 wouldn't recognize it because the level of is such so beyond where we are. They might not even

00:03:24.720 recognize us as sentient beings. So the notion that they're going to fly a balloon here, I mean,

00:03:30.560 this is like something out of the 1950s. So these are balloons?

00:03:33.060 Yeah. Well, yeah. I mean, yeah, they are. So and the fact that the US government official said,

00:03:40.500 well, we're not ruling anything out just goes to show how ridiculous their whole information

00:03:45.000 thing has been here is like, why cannot they just be straight with the American people? Yeah,

00:03:49.460 you can tell them it's not an alien race. I mean, you can say that. I mean, that's just nonsense.

00:03:53.960 And the reality is, is they know exactly what this is. And the reason for that is because we know

00:03:59.700 exactly what this is. And we know this not because we have access to classified information. I mean,

00:04:04.500 I was in the military for 25 years. I read all the Tom Clancy novels. But the reality is,

00:04:09.500 is if you just look at the publicly available information, it is pretty clear what's going on

00:04:14.180 here. And I'm happy to explain why. So it starts with another news story, which we really haven't

00:04:20.040 been paying attention to, which was the US government recently announced actually something we all

00:04:25.780 already already knew by looking at a lot of open source intelligence, that China has been rapidly

00:04:31.720 building out its nuclear forces, and that they now have more ICBM, International Continental Ballistic

00:04:39.920 Missile Launchers than we do. So an ICBM is a missile that essentially can travel the length of the earth.

00:04:47.820 So you can fire anywhere in the world, and a missile can get here in 30 minutes. And they're so big and

00:04:52.600 powerful that they can carry a heavy payload. That's the thing on the top of the missile.

00:04:56.920 And to take a nuclear weapon, you need a long range, reliable delivery vehicle that can lift that.

00:05:03.840 That missile force is absolutely useless, because these are largely designed to deterrent. They

00:05:09.540 probably stole somebody's password in there. Saw Netflix, The Last of Us. So they don't want to go

00:05:16.000 there. They don't want to end the world in a nuclear holocaust. But they want to be able to hold us at risk, 0.70

00:05:21.800 to blackmail us, and threaten us with nuclear confrontation, essentially the way the United 0.92

00:05:27.040 States and the Russia did, the Soviet Union did during the Cold War. And to do with that, you not

00:05:32.340 only have to have nuclear weapons, you have to demonstrate that you can put at risk the things

00:05:37.740 the other person values. And those are two things. Part of it is called countervalue targets. That's

00:05:43.740 basically our cities. Now, obviously, those aren't very difficult to target, because you get around

00:05:48.860 McNally Atlas, or Google Earth, and you can do that. The other thing is called counterforce,

00:05:54.360 which is the enemy's ability to strike you with nuclear weapons. And for us, the biggest portion

00:06:01.580 that are land-based bombers, which are basically in holes, sitting in big square states in the West,

00:06:06.920 and the bombers, which fly from big airstrips in the West. Now, you wouldn't think this,

00:06:15.540 but to actually target these with nuclear weapons is hard, because as big and powerful as a nuclear

00:06:20.340 weapon is, you remember, all these things were built during the Cold War to withstand an attack

00:06:26.040 from Russian nuclear weapons. So to actually take out a missile silo, you have to hit the actual

00:06:34.240 missile silo. And so you need very, very precise targeting, not the kind of stuff that you can get

00:06:40.280 off commercial Google Earth or something like that. So they have satellites, just like we have

00:06:47.640 satellites. But the satellites have two limitations. One is, well, the Earth rotates. And so the satellites

00:06:55.460 aren't overhead very long. And so they can only collect for a limited time. And we know when

00:07:04.640 they're overhead, because we know how the Earth moves, and we know where the satellite is. So you

00:07:08.040 can actually cover up things on the ground you don't want the satellite to see. And they're great for

00:07:17.000 imagery intelligence, like pictures, but they can't really necessarily gather other kinds of

00:07:24.240 intelligence. So what is the perfect vehicle for gathering intelligence of US military nuclear

00:07:33.820 assets, airfields, command and control facilities on the ground, that would help you map out where

00:07:41.120 things are and how to target them. And that's a combination of two things. It's called signals

00:07:45.240 intelligence, basically listening to things. So for example, anybody that watches 2480 news shows,

00:07:52.540 we see this all the time, right? The guy murders his girlfriend, takes her out and dumps her in the

00:07:57.460 park. And then the next day he's arrested because the police looked at his cell phone coverage and

00:08:02.740 they saw exactly where he went, right? Okay, that's either SIGINT, which is listening to people's

00:08:09.260 intelligence communications, or MASSINT, which is the signals that they send out, like a radar signal

00:08:15.500 or something else. What's the best way to collect that? Well, it's not from a satellite in space.

00:08:21.180 It's not from ground, because in ground, you have what's called line of sight. If you can't see

00:08:24.860 something, then those transmissions between you are masked by the physical feature in front of you,

00:08:30.540 like a mountain or something. So the Chinese can buy land by the farm next to the missile field, 0.93

00:08:36.560 doesn't necessarily mean they'll be able to collect very effectively. It's from a balloon

00:08:43.620 at flying at altitude. And the reason for that is very simple. The balloon's there a long time,

00:08:49.260 it moves very slow, it can collect a long time, and it doesn't have a light of sight problem.

00:08:54.140 So these balloons are the perfect vehicle for the Chinese to try to collect the targeting data 1.00

00:09:00.520 to make all their nuclear weapons useful. And everything we have seen so far

00:09:05.620 is consistent with that. Let me explain. So the first one, we know it's a Chinese balloon,

00:09:10.180 because the Chinese said it was their balloon. And they said it was a weather balloon,

00:09:14.440 a civilian weather balloon that had wandered off course. We're not buying that, right?

00:09:19.700 Well, so two things. One is, if it had just wandered off course, the first thing they would

00:09:25.580 have done was called the United States and told us. But they didn't do that. So obviously,

00:09:29.820 they're lying. The second is, is the balloons are maneuverable. Third, they just happened to traverse

00:09:35.880 all our military targets from the early warning system in Alaska and Canada, to our missile fields,

00:09:42.140 to all our military facilities throughout the United States. So that's a lie. And the third is,

00:09:46.440 we actually recovered parts of it that show that they had intelligence collection capability on that.

00:09:52.140 And the other thing is, I'm sure the government was monitoring the transmissions. I'm sure those

00:09:55.660 transmissions were encoded. That means they were encrypted, which you don't do for a weather

00:10:00.980 balloon. So we know that's a lie. Now, all these other things, and we'll see what happens

00:10:05.780 when they get wreckage and look at them. But they are consistent with a targeting campaign on the

00:10:12.240 part of the Chinese. Because if they were going to do this, you know, they're only going to likely 1.00

00:10:16.500 get one shot at this. I mean, I know they said, well, there were balloons before under Trump,

00:10:19.920 and they've been other places. But we have no physical evidence that they've ever tried to

00:10:24.580 traverse the entire American target array with a balloon collection thing. So if they were going to do

00:10:29.760 that, they know they probably only have one shot at that, and they probably want to get it right.

00:10:34.020 So the answer is, is they're probably going to send multiple vehicles in different configurations

00:10:39.840 at multiple attitudes over the space of a couple of days to try to look for gaps and spaces in the US

00:10:47.240 air defenses and radar to try to sneak through and get as much data as they could.

00:10:52.660 So what we've seen in the last couple of days is completely consistent with that. So here's my

00:10:58.240 problem. What I just told you, that is not a secret. Anybody can figure that out with half a

00:11:04.640 brain. Why wouldn't a US government official stand up in front of the American people and say what I

00:11:12.640 just said? And the answer is, that's, that's the real problem here is, why can't they just be that

00:11:21.200 straight up with us? Right? Well, that's I want to know. Well, I mean, what are your theories? Why

00:11:27.840 wouldn't they be a little bit more transparent? As you said, there was a general who said it was

00:11:33.300 General Van Herc, who said that they have not ruled anything out at this point when a journalist

00:11:38.080 asked him, hey, are we talking about some extraterrestrial thing, which you've already

00:11:42.200 debunked? And so of course, all that's all that's going to do is to create a lot of not just

00:11:47.300 curiosity, but a lot of anxiety and also facilitate a lot of conspiracy theories that I

00:11:51.920 can't imagine are very helpful to all of this. So why wouldn't this administration, I know that you

00:11:57.260 can't read their minds, but why wouldn't they just be a little bit more forthright with what is

00:12:03.240 actually going on? But actually, I can read their minds, not because I can read minds, but for the

00:12:08.640 same reason that mind readers on AGT can read minds, because people are very predictable in what

00:12:13.800 they're doing, right? So look, this story actually gets to the real issue, which is the real problem

00:12:22.620 with this administration's foreign policy on China, which is the greatest strategic threat that the

00:12:29.420 United States faces in the world today. And it's this way is the administration wants it both ways.

00:12:36.380 They want to appear to be tough on China. And the reason for that is simple, because the American

00:12:41.600 people want our government to be tough on China, but they don't really want to be tough on China.

00:12:48.720 They want John Kerry to fly over there in his private jet and eat chop suey with Chairman Xi and

00:12:56.420 cut ribbons at coal-fired plants and stuff. They want Blinken to go over and have meaningless

00:13:02.260 negotiations. They want to pretend that they are oh so smart and they can figure out how to just get

00:13:07.200 along with the Chinese and import Chinese solar panels manufactured with slave labor. They want 0.95

00:13:15.160 to do that. So they want to be tough and not tough at the same time. And so they don't really want to

00:13:21.240 talk about this threat in a serious way, because they don't want to be tough on China, but they want

00:13:27.240 to seem like they're being tough on China. So it's they have a policy that simply won't work and they

00:13:35.180 can't let go of it. And that's that's why they just can't be straight with us.

00:13:39.460 So what are your thoughts on how they have not just represented this, but their actions behind

00:13:56.760 it? You know, a lot of people criticize them for not shooting down what we thought was the original

00:14:01.920 Chinese spy balloon until it was, you know, outside Myrtle Beach in the ocean. Is that what

00:14:06.900 they should have done? I mean, obviously, it would have already collected the data by then.

00:14:10.320 But now we see them shooting down these balloons in different places, Canada doing the same thing.

00:14:15.400 Are they going about this action wise the right way?

00:14:20.060 Well, yeah, I if you look at the timeline, it's very clear

00:14:23.800 that they knew this balloon was coming, the big balloon, because and that's not a surprise. It's a big

00:14:29.620 giant blip in the sky. You can't miss it. It's emitting, sending out traffic. You can read that.

00:14:35.620 It's it's consciously being guided on a flight path. You can see that. So there's no shock that

00:14:41.120 the administration saw this thing coming like nobody's business. They didn't say anything about

00:14:47.620 this until the news broke. And then they didn't actually pull Blinken's trip until not just that

00:14:54.140 the news broke, but that they realized how really angry people were at this. So I think the plan

00:14:59.400 was was to let this balloon go over the country and send Blinken to China and pretend like it never

00:15:05.740 happened publicly. That was the plan. Now, what did they do when they actually saw everybody was

00:15:13.060 upset and they said, OK, we're going to respond to this. And they kind of played Keystone Cops for

00:15:17.060 a while. They actually shot it down. But what did they say to mitigate the whole thing? They said,

00:15:20.840 oh, well, don't worry, because we were jamming it the whole time. It didn't collect any data.

00:15:24.060 Yeah. Well, let me tell you what's bad about that, which is if you are jamming an enemy,

00:15:32.060 the one thing you want to do is tell not tell them that you're jamming. You don't want them to know

00:15:37.580 that you have that capability. You don't want them to know that you've targeted their systems.

00:15:42.000 Yeah. You don't want them to back engineer and figure out how you did that. What you actually would

00:15:46.380 do when you jam is you jam in a way that they think that that it's not jamming. They think they just

00:15:53.860 have bad equipment. They went to Radio Shack and bought old stuff or something. So why did the

00:15:59.100 government admit that it's jamming when that particular countermeasure is something normally

00:16:04.360 you would keep classified because you don't want the enemy to know that? And the answer is

00:16:08.140 they were in such a pickle here and they wanted to mitigate the thing. They just said, oh, we're jamming

00:16:13.340 it. Well, great, except now you've just compromised a countermeasure against them.

00:16:22.440 And why did you do that? Well, because the politics were bad and we were getting yelled

00:16:26.600 at and we wanted to show people that we weren't, you know, kind of feckless. So we just, you

00:16:31.040 know, you know, you give me an example when, when, you know, Sputnik flew overhead. One of

00:16:38.060 the reasons why Eisenhower didn't freak out was he called because he told the American people,

00:16:43.120 you know, what we knew about that technology and, and, and why that specific thing wasn't a

00:16:50.000 problem. But he did, did say, you know, we have to be, we have to be serious about the space race

00:16:55.840 and getting capabilities in space and our defense capability. This administration didn't say that.

00:17:01.400 So what does the story illustrate for us? It illustrates that the Chinese are rapidly seeking 1.00

00:17:07.260 to have a nuclear capability that's as dangerous and as capable as either the United States or Russia.

00:17:17.240 You would think that this administration would be using this whole story to highlight that.

00:17:22.700 Instead, they haven't, they haven't even mentioned it. And, and they also haven't mentioned that we

00:17:28.320 known for years that China's building up its nuclear capability. The administration came in

00:17:34.040 and they proposed cuts to our nuclear forces in both their first two years of office.

00:17:39.540 Right. So their, their response to dealing with this mushrooming nuclear threat is to dismiss and

00:17:45.700 say, Oh, don't worry about them trying to target us with nuclear weapons and actually decrease our

00:17:50.700 nuclear capability. That is, this is, this is why they, they're just literally tied. You know,

00:17:57.260 it reminds me of the, you know, the, like the cheating husband who just can't figure out ways to

00:18:02.360 explain to his wife how he's really not cheating, but he also doesn't want to let go of a girlfriend,

00:18:06.240 you know, and he just kind of just goes through these, not that I would know anything about that

00:18:10.040 because I wouldn't, but this is like people who are lying to themselves and other people

00:18:15.820 because they want everything to just go their way. That's their problem. And of course the Chinese, 1.00

00:18:21.480 they just laugh at us, right? They see what's going on. And they say, we just conducted the most

00:18:26.740 aggressive targeting mission against the United States of any adversary in modern history. And,

00:18:32.540 and Joe Biden's response is, well, it's really not such a big deal and really don't worry about it.

00:18:37.220 And when can we, when can we go back to China and start talking to him again? That's his response.

00:18:41.060 So was it just, I mean, is it progressive ideology that motivates them to that kind of diplomacy and

00:18:48.340 that kind of foreign policy? Because as you said, it really doesn't take that much brain capability to

00:18:55.280 be able to see how we should be responding to this and how we should be representing this to the

00:18:59.760 American people and the kind of strength that's necessary to push back against this and mitigate

00:19:04.080 this threat. I mean, really, you don't have to be an expert to just kind of come to some kind of

00:19:08.400 common sense conclusion. And yet they're going about it in the opposite way. So is it just because

00:19:13.160 progressives, you know, as I always say, they don't understand human nature, they don't understand

00:19:17.320 how the world works, they don't understand diplomacy, or is it like, is it something more nefarious?

00:19:22.200 Is it like, does Joe Biden have an interest in trying to go soft on China? It's hard for me to

00:19:27.960 understand what that interest would be. Yeah. So I get, there's kind of three answers to this

00:19:34.600 question. I mean, it could be that they're just so well that they're wedded to this belief in this

00:19:41.040 new world order and just, you know, we can just fix everything, right? It could be that they're just

00:19:48.480 bought and owned by the Chinese. And it could be that just completely incompetent, or a mixture of 1.00

00:19:54.240 the three. And, and the problem I have is like, how do we know? Because the result is the same,

00:20:00.220 right? They are completely feckless against the most significant threat to our security in modern

00:20:07.240 times. And Americans get this because, you know, this is different because the Chinese threat, 0.98

00:20:13.260 they see it in our own communities. They see Confucius Institutes,

00:20:17.280 they, they see Chinese buying land. They, they see them trying, they, this, China is not a foreign

00:20:23.900 policy issue for Americans. It's a domestic issue. And, and, um, you know, just like the border,

00:20:31.220 uh, they see this as a problem for them and they, and they get the frustration and, you know,

00:20:36.960 there is a connection here between the border and, and the Chinese threat. And in the,

00:20:43.920 in the sense that in both cases, what we have are situations where we're seeing real threats and

00:20:50.380 dangerous to American people, China essentially wanting to plan a nuclear holocaust against the 0.97

00:20:57.140 United States. On the border, we have millions of people boiling in and all the associated problems

00:21:03.040 with that from crime and drugs and, and, and insecure border and terrorists coming in. And by the way,

00:21:07.420 you know, 800% increase in Chinese citizens sneaking in across the U.S. border.

00:21:12.420 Yeah, I've seen that. Wow.

00:21:14.260 And, and what is the U.S., what is Biden's response? In both cases, it wasn't, oh my God,

00:21:19.900 here's a problem. We got to go fix this to protect the homeland for Americans. Their response is,

00:21:25.900 it's not good for our politics to really address these problems. How can we kind of make them go away?

00:21:31.560 You know, you know, I've been in this business since nine 11. And if you look at the China threat 0.91

00:21:40.720 to our air sovereignty that we just saw and the border threat that we've seen with millions of

00:21:48.040 people pouring in illegally across the border, in both those respects, the U.S. is at more risk now

00:21:57.040 than it was on nine 11. So decades of investment and thinking about homeland security and making

00:22:04.120 sure nine 11 is never again, we are more vulnerable towards a nine 11 experience because what's happened

00:22:09.880 the last two years with our president than we were on nine 11.

00:22:13.320 Wow. So, okay. So tell me your realistic timeline of events for how this plays itself out. I mean,

00:22:25.400 are we looking at imminent nuclear war, Russia, China, U.S., or is there some optimism here? Like,

00:22:33.080 do we have some time? Sure. I mean, well, look, I mean, the Chinese don't want to have a nuclear war

00:22:39.040 with us because they don't want to be blown up either. They, there's an ancient Chinese philosopher

00:22:45.620 with this idea of winning without fighting. They want to create a situation where they can

00:22:50.900 racially run the table and have the United States collapse at their feet without actually fighting

00:22:56.440 a war. And as, as I tell people, it's like, when the other guy is eating your lunch,

00:23:01.520 they don't blow up the cafeteria. So they want to intimidate us. They want us to back off,

00:23:11.220 look the other way. Um, they don't really want to start a war. Um, they want Taiwan.

00:23:18.020 I'm not sure they want to fight over Taiwan, but, but they want us to just walk away and let them 1.00

00:23:24.980 take it. That's the goal. Yeah, that makes sense. And it seems like it's working at least with this

00:23:31.420 administration, the intimidation tactics do seem to be working. Well, thank you so much for this

00:23:38.060 insight. Is there anything else that you think that just the average American should know about

00:23:42.940 what's going on? Yeah, no, I do. To me, this, this whole notion of putting politics ahead of

00:23:52.540 Homeland Security is really something we're just not wrapping our hands around. Look, you know,

00:23:57.480 we just saw these horrific train derailments in the middle of the country. Catastrophic,

00:24:04.040 you know, for those people, that's as bad as any nine 11 in New York city. We're not talking about 0.99

00:24:11.520 it. We're not responding to it. Um, we built all, we built the department of Homeland Security. We built

00:24:18.600 to really immediately respond and address these kinds of issues. And yet our government just doesn't

00:24:25.660 seem interested enough. Okay. It's as if we've, we failed to understand what's happening in the modern

00:24:30.480 world, Russia, Iran, North Korea, um, China, these, these, these people want a world without us. 0.92

00:24:39.320 And, and this administration seems oblivious to that. And they think they can just,

00:24:44.080 they can just wish it away with a couple of press conferences and a treaty here and there,

00:24:48.220 or, you know, and, and, and some green energy. Um, thank you so much, Jim, for taking the time.

00:24:54.360 This was really, really helpful how you broke it all down for us. I know people are going to

00:24:58.440 appreciate this explanation. So thank you. Um, people can follow you, um, on Twitter. We've

00:25:04.160 got your handle up on the screen anywhere else. They can follow your work. Yeah, I am on Substack

00:25:09.200 in addition to talking about national security. I have a really cool travel log. Awesome. Well,

00:25:14.460 we will link, we will link the Substack in the description of this episode. People can click

00:25:18.220 on it and find it. And heritage.org. Heritage is awesome stuff. Yes, I agree. I agree. Well,

00:25:23.340 thank you so much. Thank you. Okay. So you heard Jim mentioned at the end what's happening in Ohio

00:25:40.820 with this train derailment. You probably saw on Twitter, on social media, that there was like a

00:25:45.780 Chernobyl style explosion in East Palestine, Ohio. That is a town in Ohio. And there was a lot of 0.97

00:25:54.340 confusion about what actually went on. What is this explosion? Is it some kind of chemical plant?

00:25:59.500 What in the world is going on? You see the picture if you're watching on YouTube? I mean,

00:26:03.800 what? That is huge. That is a huge explosion. You can kind of see the clouds and see the effect that

00:26:10.760 that is going to have there. I mean, that looks like literally a Chernobyl style explosion. And yet,

00:26:17.640 it has been so hard to actually find any official reporting on it. You would think that there would

00:26:22.820 be wall to wall coverage in the mainstream media on this. And yet, as is typical with some of the

00:26:28.920 most important stories in our country, we have to rely on people on Twitter, on the ground people,

00:26:34.760 local reporters, which God bless them, God bless all those people, Substack writers,

00:26:39.120 kind of like amateur researchers and things like that to tell us what the heck, what the heck is

00:26:45.280 going on. It shouldn't be that way. But I'm almost glad that it is because it kind of allows,

00:26:52.200 it allows the democratization of information. And rather than having a monopoly of expertise at CNN,

00:27:00.500 or even Fox News or places like that, like, we can get our information from people who are not bound

00:27:06.580 to a certain brand, they're not bound to a certain corporation, who really just care about the truth.

00:27:11.940 And they're not even coming at it from a partisan perspective. However, it also hurts our trust in

00:27:16.840 the media that it hurts our trust in the government, as we wonder, okay, why isn't this being covered?

00:27:23.080 And so I'm going to do the best that I can to summarize what is going on. I'm very thankful to

00:27:28.180 my producer and my researcher for summarizing all of the information and the different information

00:27:33.760 out there that's trying to kind of make sense of what this disaster is. And so let me try to

00:27:40.760 summarize it for you the best I can. Then I'll tell you the important details. There are lots of

00:27:44.400 theories also about what's going on, people laying blame at different people's feet and things like

00:27:49.440 that. And we'll talk about it. We will continue to talk about this. I can't talk about all the

00:27:53.920 details of this today, but I just want to make sure that we know what's going on. And most of all,

00:27:57.380 that we are praying for all of the people that are affected. As you will hear, as I explain this,

00:28:01.420 like there are some really deadly consequences to this explosion. So this is summarized from

00:28:08.260 different media outlets. About 50 cars derailed in East Palestine, Ohio. It's about an hour north

00:28:14.920 of Pittsburgh, almost halfway to Cleveland. Norfolk Southern has a rail line that goes right through

00:28:21.220 town. This derailment happened right on the edge outside of town on the border of Pennsylvania and

00:28:25.720 Ohio. This happened at about 9 p.m. Eastern time, Friday, February 3rd. So yeah, this happened on

00:28:31.140 February 3rd. Today is February 14th. This might be the first time that some of you are hearing about

00:28:35.420 this. I didn't hear about this until a couple of days ago when I read this in my document that

00:28:39.480 happened on February 3rd. I almost didn't believe it because, I mean, I try to pay attention to this

00:28:44.180 kind of stuff and even I did not know about it. So a train was carrying a variety of products from

00:28:49.280 Madison, Illinois to Conway, Pennsylvania via rail operator Norfolk Southern. There was no

00:28:55.180 immediate information about what caused the derailment. No injuries or damage to structures

00:28:59.560 were reported, but people are reporting things like dead chickens, injured and sick pets because

00:29:04.820 of all of the chemicals that are involved in this that are very toxic and cancer-causing and sickness-causing.

00:29:11.600 And so people are also talking about symptoms in humans such as burning eyes and nausea. And

00:29:19.380 obviously, like, these are just the acute symptoms. We don't even know the long-term

00:29:23.340 chronic symptoms of all this. And we'll talk a little bit more about the chemical makeup of

00:29:27.200 what's going on and some of the effects of that. Residents one mile out from the crash were

00:29:31.920 evacuated, about 2,000 people. Norfolk Southern said 20 of the more than 100 train carts were classified

00:29:38.240 as carrying hazardous materials to find his cargo that could pose any kind of danger,

00:29:43.360 including flammables, combustibles, or environmental risks. 14 cars carrying vinyl chloride

00:29:49.460 were involved in the derailment and have been exposed to fire. And at least one is intermittently

00:29:55.620 releasing the contents of the car through a pressure release device as designed. Vinyl chloride is used to

00:30:01.920 make PVC, a hard plastic material that is used in a variety of plastic products like

00:30:07.260 plastic pipes, like you've heard of, like a PVC pipe. It's associated with increased risk of liver

00:30:14.980 cancer. Other cancers, according to the federal government's National Cancer Institute, federal

00:30:19.160 officials said that they were also concerned about other possibly hazardous materials.

00:30:24.700 Inhaling the fumes of this can induce dizziness, nausea, breathing complications. And as I said,

00:30:29.380 it's been linked to cancer of various organs. Previous spills of vinyl chloride have shown that

00:30:35.000 exposure can affect organs like the lungs and the kidney, liver may increase the risk of miscarriage

00:30:42.980 and birth defects. So when I compare this to Chernobyl, it's really not that far off. I mean,

00:30:47.720 we might not be looking at as drastic effects as we saw at Chernobyl, but it is absolutely

00:30:55.400 a possibility that we are going to see similar things. Some of the toxins also spilled into the Ohio River,

00:31:02.080 which prompted officials to shut down water production in the area and switch to an alternate

00:31:06.000 source. Animals near the site of the derailment are reportedly not just falling ill, as I said,

00:31:10.860 but also dying. There was a whole, um, a whole lot of chickens that apparently died. And by the way,

00:31:18.040 like, it's just crazy how much we've seen that around the country, that these chicken facilities,

00:31:24.560 these facilities that are not just making chicken, um, that are, that are, don't just have chickens,

00:31:29.240 but also the facilities that are, um, manufacturing, that are getting the eggs that we need,

00:31:35.340 that they are blowing up, that they're exploding. I mean, what is happening? I don't know if these

00:31:40.300 things are linked. I'm not saying that. I know that there's a lot of conspiracy theories out there,

00:31:43.840 and I try to really tread lightly on that, but when we don't get a lot of transparency

00:31:47.180 and all of these things keep happening, and we're told that there's no connection whatsoever,

00:31:51.220 and actually we're told very little information from the government and from the media,

00:31:55.520 who pretend to be the guardians of truth and democracy, of course, you're going to get people

00:32:00.780 just scratching their heads and asking questions. Why does this keep happening to similar kinds of

00:32:06.600 food facilities? And why is no one sounding the alarm saying, Hey, we've got a pattern. This is

00:32:12.660 negatively affecting the American people. Not only in some cases, do they not even have access to their

00:32:17.200 basic needs, but they have to pay way more money than they can afford to access their basic needs,

00:32:22.960 like chicken and like eggs. So again, I mean, I just, it could definitely be a coincidence that

00:32:31.300 this is happening, and I will err on the side of that, but I will just say it's strange, and it's okay

00:32:37.480 to detect patterns. Detecting patterns and asking questions and critically thinking doesn't make you

00:32:42.280 a conspiracy theorist. It just makes you a thinking person. It means that you are accessing the part of

00:32:48.080 your brain that God gave you to ask questions and to try to piece things together. We are puzzle

00:32:53.920 piecing people. I think that is just part of human nature and how God created us. It's okay to use that

00:33:00.680 part of your brain, especially when we don't have all of the information. A dairy farmer near the area

00:33:06.820 reported that several foxes on his property have become sick, exhibiting symptoms such as coughing

00:33:11.100 and diarrhea and watery eyes. So anyway, that this is just affecting a lot of people, a lot of animals

00:33:17.060 in the area. Mayor Trent Conaway, who earlier declared a state of emergency, citing the train

00:33:21.680 derailment with hazardous materials, said air quality monitors throughout a one-mile zone ordered

00:33:26.140 evacuation, but had shown no dangerous reading. So I guess that's good. Kind of hard to believe,

00:33:32.520 but that's good. Initially, officials said drinking water was safe despite discoloration due to the

00:33:37.380 volume being pumped to fight the blaze, but some runoff had been detected in streams. But rail

00:33:42.940 officials were working to stem that, to prevent it from going downstream. And so it's just a whole

00:33:48.400 mess here. And I don't want to blame the people that are working on this. I don't want to blame

00:33:53.120 people who shouldn't be blamed. I don't want to blame necessarily the local politicians or

00:33:57.140 the people who are going there to try to mitigate further harm and further emergencies. I'm sure that

00:34:03.300 they are doing the absolute best job that they possibly can with all of the equipment and the

00:34:07.680 resources that they have. So I'm not trying to say that they're not doing a good job, but obviously

00:34:15.840 like there are just some problems here. This is a huge problem. The East Palestine Police Department

00:34:21.460 is now saying, they're now saying that drinking water may actually be at risk for some residents. So

00:34:27.960 sorry if you drink the water after we told you that it was fine. Actually, it might be a little bit

00:34:35.300 risky. So this was days after officials gave the all clear for residents to return to their homes and

00:34:42.680 to drink their water. Oh my goodness. Like what in the world are we doing to people? The Ohio Emergency

00:34:51.460 Management Agency created a controlled explosion and then steady venting of the gas. So crews in Ohio

00:34:59.620 began to release the hazardous chemicals from five of the train cars, in essence, kind of blowing them

00:35:06.160 up so they don't leak because they were afraid of an even bigger, more disastrous explosion. This is

00:35:10.940 after the original explosion when there was train, when there was the original train derailment. And so

00:35:16.100 they needed to do a controlled explosion thinking that this would cause less damage than just a

00:35:20.980 you know, spontaneous, you know, spontaneous combustion. And so it was it was a way to just

00:35:28.340 kind of control the chemicals. However, people are saying that this has been really bad that this has

00:35:36.020 been a disaster. Here's someone again, saying that after this controlled explosion, that chickens more

00:35:43.840 chickens were dying. Amanda Brashears was going to feed her five hens and rooster this morning, 0.51

00:35:50.500 when she discovered them all lifeless, practically in the same position with no signs of a predator

00:35:56.740 entering their enclosure. Brashears says her chickens were alive and well yesterday. She believes the

00:36:03.040 smell following the detonation of the train carrying chemicals that derailed in East Palestine is to

00:36:08.840 blame for her bird's sudden death. My video camera footage shows my chickens were perfectly fine before

00:36:15.420 they started this burn. And as soon as they started the burn, my chickens slowed down and they died.

00:36:21.300 So this was after the controlled burn, which again, as you saw, if you're watching this on

00:36:26.740 YouTube, that that was also a very large plume of smoke that looked like an explosion. And I feel

00:36:32.980 so bad for this lady. I mean, people rely obviously on their chickens. This is not someone who seems to 1.00

00:36:38.000 be manufacturing chickens and eggs, but this is someone who seems to rely on these chickens for her own 1.00

00:36:44.680 eggs. And now all her chickens are dead. I mean, how disturbing is that? That's like part of every

00:36:49.860 scary horror movie is like a dead animal. This seems like a horror movie. And actually there was a

00:36:57.560 movie made that had a very similar plot to what is going on that we will talk about in just a second.

00:37:02.660 Again, very strange coincidences going on here. And then there was this guy who said that, look,

00:37:10.280 we basically nuked the town through this controlled release. This was really bad. Here he is.

00:37:17.820 We basically nuked a town with chemicals so we could get a railroad open. There's a lot of what

00:37:22.900 ifs. And we're going to be looking at this thing 5, 10, 15, 20 years down the line and wondering,

00:37:29.400 gee, cancer clusters could pop up, you know, well water could go bad. 0.97

00:37:33.920 So kind of, as we mentioned a couple minutes ago, the effects of this, while they are happening

00:37:39.980 right now, I mean, again, we're talking about 15 to 20 years from now could still be happening. I mean,

00:37:45.900 this is already a poor part of the country that has been so often overlooked by our politicians.

00:37:52.000 We're talking about mostly, you know, the white working class, hillbilly, allergy kind of type

00:37:58.020 people here that have just been so often ignored. Their jobs have been shipped overseas and their

00:38:06.960 economies have been hollowed out. And there's a lot of, I'm not saying in this particular town,

00:38:12.440 I've never been to East Palestine, but this, in this kind of region, there tends to be a lot of

00:38:18.300 poverty and despair here. And so I also have to wonder, like, is that part of why we're not really,

00:38:25.940 a lot of people aren't talking about this? Is this part of why this isn't a bigger deal? And you wonder,

00:38:33.700 okay, who is in charge of this exactly? Like, how did this happen? And how is this such a disaster

00:38:41.160 that apparently couldn't have been avoided, couldn't have been mitigated at all? And hey,

00:38:48.440 is it not weird that we are seeing a lot of transportation type disruptions as we have

00:38:55.220 over the past couple of years? Because this is not the only derailment that is happening or has

00:39:00.600 happened, by the way. There was another train derailment in Houston, Texas, and another one in

00:39:08.500 South Carolina. There was another derailment. The one in Houston was February 13th. And so yesterday,

00:39:17.820 and then the one in South Carolina also happened yesterday. And so it was Monday morning that the

00:39:25.220 Montgomery County, Texas derailment happened. The one in South Carolina derailed just after 4pm.

00:39:31.220 And so we're seeing these kinds of disasters, as well as the terrifying stories that we're

00:39:37.100 seeing about planes almost running into each other, almost crashing, the not crashing. And look,

00:39:42.020 I'm not trying to scare you. Like, I'm someone who travels. I don't want to think about this. I

00:39:46.600 don't want to talk about this. But I do think that we need some answers about why our, I don't know,

00:39:51.660 our transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg, is failing so much at his job. I'm not saying that he can

00:39:57.960 control all disasters. I mean, things happen. I'm not saying that he is omnipotent by any means.

00:40:02.980 But over the past couple of years, we've seen a lot of this, what seems like incompetence at best

00:40:07.800 and corruption at worst. And he is in charge. And my concern is, is maybe not only that he isn't

00:40:17.120 leading well, but that he doesn't actually seem to address these issues or care about them or present

00:40:21.400 any solutions. Instead, he's constantly talking about things like, oh, you know, our roads are

00:40:27.260 racist. And we need to make sure that we don't have racist overpasses or whatever it is. I mean,

00:40:34.880 he's more concerned with DEI initiatives and imaginary anti-racist work when it comes to constructing our

00:40:43.440 crosswalks than he is issues that actually threaten people's lives. And in fact, here is,

00:40:51.400 Pete Buttigieg yesterday. He was speaking at a conference yesterday morning, the National

00:40:58.740 Association of Counties conference, and he couldn't find it in his heart or mind to mention some of the

00:41:04.200 catastrophes that we're talking about, to talk about what is happening in Ohio and how the people

00:41:09.340 in Ohio are being affected by this. But here's what he did have the energy to point out.

00:41:16.880 To work with your contractors, to work with your community colleges on building a workforce

00:41:23.720 that reflects the community. We have heard way too many stories from generations past of

00:41:29.680 infrastructure where you got a neighborhood, often a neighborhood of color that finally sees the

00:41:34.340 project come to them. But everyone in the hardhats on that project looking like, you know, doing the

00:41:39.900 good paying jobs don't look like they came from anywhere near the neighborhood, right? You can

00:41:44.280 build community wealth that will help close wealth gaps in this country if we can tear down those

00:41:50.740 barriers.

00:41:51.580 Okay. So did you hear that? It's not that the projects aren't happening in these diverse

00:41:57.140 neighborhoods. Is that the construction workers are too white? 0.93

00:41:59.820 That's his concern. We need more BIPOC construction workers. That's going to make all the difference in

00:42:11.180 the world, Pete. And for those of you who say, well, he can do both. He can do both. He can focus on

00:42:17.120 these diversity initiatives and he can do everything else. The point is he's not, right? The point is he's

00:42:24.160 not. He has no expertise. Remember the one qualification that he said that he had when he

00:42:31.720 started this job was that he always liked trains. Okay. So does every four-year-old boy. And apparently

00:42:39.540 his liking of trains doesn't equip him to be able to deal with the kind of catastrophes that we are

00:42:44.480 seeing when it comes to train derailments. So there are quite a few theories about what is going on here.

00:42:50.260 One, as we just mentioned, is the theory that it's just incompetence, that our federal government,

00:42:53.820 that even state governments, in some cases, they're just incompetent, that this is something

00:42:57.800 that could have been avoided, but it wasn't avoided. And I'm not sure exactly the details of

00:43:02.940 what could have been changed here to prevent this from happening. But a lot of people are just

00:43:09.700 pointing out that, unfortunately, safety is being compromised when it comes to all forms of

00:43:16.300 transportation right now. Some of it has to do with COVID lockdowns. I was reading an article

00:43:20.340 yesterday about just how our aviation industry is struggling so much because so many senior

00:43:26.560 pilots retired during COVID and so many senior pilots were actually told to retire. So many

00:43:33.140 people were laid off during COVID, not because of COVID, but because of the lockdowns, because

00:43:37.700 our government decided to, and state governments especially, decided to basically shut down our

00:43:43.900 economy and fear monger to people to tell them that they need to stay inside in order to love

00:43:49.500 their neighbor and save grandma. And so then we decimated our air travel industry. A bunch of people

00:43:58.600 got laid off. Now they're trying to build their staff back. I mean, people probably aren't going to come

00:44:03.800 out of retirement because why would they? And so they're rapidly hiring new pilots, trying to train new

00:44:10.100 pilots. And I just saw an article by the New York Times saying that it's not just that they want to

00:44:15.700 hire new pilots, these airline corporations, but they want to make sure that their pilots aren't just

00:44:21.080 white men. So, I mean, part of the problem here is that we've got a priority problem. We've got an 0.83

00:44:28.440 ideology problem. We've got a focus problem here. Rather than focusing on merit, rather than focusing

00:44:35.080 primarily on excellence and competence and who can do the job and just allowing diversity to

00:44:42.820 happen as it will, they've got their priorities backwards and people are going to suffer because

00:44:47.920 of that. And is that me saying that white men are the only people that can be competent pilots? I'm

00:44:52.440 not. I think that there are all kinds of people that can be competent pilots, but competence has to be

00:44:56.680 the number one priority. Safety has to be the top priority. Everything else comes after that.

00:45:04.200 But we've got it exactly backwards, as progressivism also always does. And so I think part of the

00:45:10.260 struggles that we're facing now, part of the close calls that we're seeing and some of the catastrophes

00:45:15.220 that we're seeing is because of the COVID policies that gutted all of these industries, all of the

00:45:20.780 people that were laid off, all of the people that went into early retirement because we shut down our

00:45:25.340 economies. And also, I think just bad priorities when it comes to hiring and when it comes to training.

00:45:31.860 And we are all already seeing the manifestations of that. And unfortunately, I think that we will

00:45:38.180 continue to. Now, some people are saying that the things like the balloons, like we just talked about,

00:45:45.100 are a distraction from what's happening in Ohio. Some people, of course, think that this is purposeful,

00:45:50.960 that they are purposely poisoning our farmlands, poisoning our water systems. And look,

00:45:58.200 there are a lot of theories out there. And I don't, as I said, really blame people for trying

00:46:04.960 to piece things together, even if it seems like a conspiracy theory. I don't really blame people

00:46:10.480 for that. That's what happens in the absence of transparency. That's what happens in the absence

00:46:15.260 of honesty and information. And when so many things, so many similar things are happening to our food

00:46:23.240 supply. Of course, you are going to have people asking questions and asserting theories. Someone

00:46:28.360 made the point, which I don't think that she's any kind of expert, but she said this on Twitter and it

00:46:34.480 was shared a lot that there are 75,000 farms in Ohio. 90% of them are family farming operations.

00:46:41.520 And there was just a toxic chemical incident there that was intentionally released with barely

00:46:46.100 a whisper. And this has untold direct food supply chain impact. And so she's not really making any

00:46:53.080 assertions there. She's not drawing any conclusions. But I think a lot of people are taking that

00:46:59.460 information and saying, well, is this purposeful? Is this, again, a part of the pattern where we see

00:47:04.760 all of these chicken facilities, these egg facilities, these different kinds of meat facilities

00:47:10.040 exploding randomly, and we are not given any kind of explanation for it. And again, we know that the

00:47:18.380 chemical release was actually purposeful and that it has potentially created more of a disaster

00:47:24.760 than the original derailment did. And so we're seeing all of this, even as there's a perfect storm

00:47:31.520 hitting the U.S. crop planning. The U.S. crops right now, fertilizer costs are soaring and protracted

00:47:40.020 drought conditions, causing farmers to plant smaller quantities in different types of crops. And all

00:47:44.840 of this, of course, doesn't just affect the farmers. It affects all of us who are shopping at grocery

00:47:49.680 stores. We have to do everything that we can to try to shop local and to try to support these farmers

00:47:54.900 as much as we can. But I understand that also gets difficult depending on where you live.

00:47:59.060 And I just want to emphasize how big of a thing this is, that since 2021, since 2021,

00:48:06.480 oh my goodness, I got to scroll down, there have been 98 instances of fires destroying food processing

00:48:16.460 plants. 98! Starting in January of 2021, the latest one was in Hillendale Farms in Connecticut, 100,000

00:48:30.300 chickens killed in a fire. That's one of the country's top egg producers. And like, we are told

00:48:37.320 that there's nothing going on here. There's nothing happening here. Again, I don't know if what's

00:48:43.020 happening in Ohio is connected to those 98 instances. I'm just saying like, we've got a problem and we've

00:48:49.700 got to figure it out, right? Like, can we say that without someone labeling me a conspiracy theorist?

00:48:53.860 I'm just saying that there's a problem that's affecting people. And we've got to figure it out.

00:48:59.020 But this does not help, by the way, our tinfoil hats. The fact that there is a movie called White

00:49:06.880 Noise that takes place in a fictional college town in Ohio was partially filmed in East Palestine and

00:49:11.600 use citizens of East Palestine as extras. And a train accident in this movie casts a cloud of chemical

00:49:16.500 waste over a town. This airborne toxic event causes a mass evacuation. Exposed people are forced to

00:49:21.940 quarantine. The film features a lack of media attention regarding the accident. Isn't that

00:49:27.720 weird? And this was reported by WKBN News. Film to real life. East Palestine derailment reflects

00:49:33.200 Ohio movie. It came out in 2022. What? The movie follows a family after a train hits a tanker truck,

00:49:43.440 creating a chemical cloud that then had all these negative effects on the town. It's just weird.

00:49:50.440 Weird. It's just weird, people. I don't. So I don't know. I don't know exactly what's going on. I

00:49:56.220 wish I did. I wish I had more answers for you. I mean, praise God for everyone who is sending aid

00:50:01.020 there, who is donating money to those who need it. Let us pray. Let us do what we can to try to help

00:50:05.900 those. Some of you have reached out to me because you've been affected by it, because your friends

00:50:09.820 have been affected by it. You live an hour away and you don't know like how downstream is this going

00:50:13.820 to go? So my goodness, I mean, there's so much to think about and so much to care about. And like

00:50:18.660 all of this, not having answers to any of this, not having solutions to any of this is part of

00:50:23.460 why voting matters. It's part of why politics matter. Not all of this can be controlled by

00:50:28.600 politics. I'm not saying that this is all Joe Biden's fault, but leadership matters. The choices

00:50:33.040 that they make matter. The choices that we make when electing our leaders matter. When you elect people

00:50:37.640 that don't care about the country, that care more about looking good to China than they do actually

00:50:41.920 putting the interest and the well-being and the safety and the security of their people first,

00:50:45.720 you get wickedness. You get disaster. You get catastrophe. I personally think that's what's

00:50:51.640 going on here. All right. That's all we got time for today. We will see you back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 14, 2023

Ep 754 ｜ 'UFOs' & Ohio Disaster： What’s REALLY Happening ｜ Guest： James Jay Carafano

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