Ep 760 ｜ Whistleblower Exposes Horrors at Gender Clinic ｜ Guest： Seth Dillon
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Seth Dillon, CEO of The Babylon Bee joins Alex to talk about his life since being released from prison, the latest in the latest conspiracy theories, and some of the craziest prophecies to ever come true.
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A left-wing whistleblower is shedding light on the horrors inside America's gender clinics,
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where she claims children are being used and abused without any caution from doctors.
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Here to discuss this and all the insanity of our day is Seth Dillon, my friend and CEO of
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Seth, thanks so much for joining us again. How's it going? How's life at The Babylon Bee?
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Good. Fast-paced. We're staying busy, but things are good over here.
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Yeah. Are things busier now that you are on Twitter and you have more to tweet about? Not you,
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but Babylon Bee. Yeah. I mean, that whole story brought a lot of attention to us,
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so it actually made us a lot busier. We were busier than ever tweeting less.
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Yeah, that's true. Eight months that we were off Twitter and locked in Twitter jail.
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But since then, yeah, I mean, it's been kind of a media mayhem frenzy. A lot of speaking stuff has
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come up as a result of that, so I've been kind of traveling around the country doing things. Plus,
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you know, we're planning for a live event that we're doing next, well, on the 24th.
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Yeah. Yeah, a lot going on. A lot going on. How do you think that Twitter is going since Elon Musk took
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over? Because I felt like there was a sweet spot there for the first couple weeks, and then things
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kind of got weird again. I feel like people started talking about my reach is down. Why is my profile
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private reaching more people than it does when it's public? So I know he's only one guy. I'm not
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blaming him, but I just don't know. Is it even possible to like really turn Twitter around? I'm not
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sure. Well, the funny thing is you had everybody talking about how Twitter was going to be crashing in
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a matter of days or minutes, even because he was firing so many people. That didn't happen.
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The app still works. It's still functioning really well. Yeah. He's saying that it's improved,
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that its speed is actually improved. So I don't know. I mean, my experience on Twitter has has
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when he first took over, my engagement was skyrocketing. I don't know if you experienced
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that, but I was gaining followers like never before. Some of that had to do with our involvement
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in the Twitter story, I think. Right. But I don't know. I mean, I don't think there's a lot
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of people who've been restored. Obviously, tons of accounts have been restored. But as far as it goes
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with like, is Twitter like a better service than it used to be? I mean, he's experimenting in the
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public eye and playing with things. He's rolling back a lot of the changes that he puts out there
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days after he puts them out. So there's a lot of like open experimentation happening that makes it feel
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like it's really chaotic and unstable. But I don't know. I think it's kind of cool. I think it's fun to
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have him just kind of playing in it like a sandbox and seeing what works and what doesn't. And he's
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obviously very receptive to feedback. So I think that's a healthy thing. Yeah, I think that's a
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healthy thing, too. At one point, he talked about like, allowing us to have some more transparency
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tools to see kind of what's going on behind the scenes with all of our accounts. I don't think
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that's been rolled out for anyone yet. But I do think that that would be interesting. More
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transparency, the better. Okay, let's talk about some Babylon Bee prophecies, some recent ones that have
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come true. It's been seven days per our calculation since the last fulfillment. So y'all are lagging a
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little bit. Hopefully sometime this week, y'all will be able to prophesy something that will be
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fulfilled. The last one that I see prophecy number 87 that has been fulfilled by the Babylon Bee, which
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is pretty crazy. Babylon Bee said Biden says he'll shoot down Chinese spy balloon as soon as he done
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letting it spy. They said, the press said US military shoots down Chinese spy balloon over
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Atlantic Ocean. So that's basically what happened after several days of surveillance. Do you guys
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ever get surprised at this point by how your satire is actually just predicting reality?
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No, I think probably the only thing that surprises me is when it happens almost immediately,
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where, you know, we'll publish a joke. And then within a matter of minutes or hours,
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there's a real story that comes out that's just like the joke. That's kind of surprising because
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you don't expect it to happen right away. But no, it's certainly not surprising that in general,
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our jokes are coming true. Because I mean, what kind of headlines do you see now that are really that
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shocking and jarring? We're so accustomed to seeing wild stuff happening. I think we've had
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some since then, though. I think wasn't the one we had, we did a joke about how Satan distances
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himself from the performance at the Grammys. Yes. And then there was an article about how the
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of Satan put out a statement. Yes, but that was Oh, no, you're right. You're right. This is out of
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order. That was fulfilled on February 8. The Chinese spy balloon was fulfilled on February 4. But the
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satanic one was February 8. So you guys said horrified Satan distances self from Grammys. They
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said Church of Satan says Sam Smith and Kim Petrus. Kim Petrus is unholy performance was more
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meh than satanic. I mean, it's pretty uncanny, honestly.
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Yeah, it's really funny. Who thought the Church of Satan would actually weigh in on that?
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Yeah, I know. They've been weighing in a lot of stuff recently. How do you as someone who is in
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the media, you said that you're speaking at all these events, you're on Twitter and things like
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that. Like there's so much happening. There's a constant bombardment of stuff that we're supposed to
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care about, whether it's potential UFOs, Chinese spy balloons that honestly, like when we hear
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another story, it's like, Oh, nuclear war is imminent or something crazy is happening. There's
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been a crazy derailment in Ohio. It's like Chernobyl. We kind of just are like, okay, and then we move
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along a little bit because it's such a deluge of stuff happening. How do you wade through all of it and
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decide, okay, what really matters? What am I going to care about and comment on?
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Well, it's funny. You mentioned Twitter to start this whole conversation off. Twitter kind of
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drives that for me. That's how I keep my finger in the pulse of what's going on is what
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people in my circles and the people that I follow are engaging with and seeing come across their
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feeds and what's trending there. I track that daily all the time. I'm probably on Twitter too much.
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I have a hard time putting Twitter away. It's addictive. It really is. But it keeps me up to
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speed with what's going on. Are you asking more for me personally or for what the bee decides to
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pay attention to? How do you know you personally or I guess the bee? I mean, I think I can kind of
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understand how the bee chooses their headlines and what they're going to comment on just based on
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who pitches what and what's funny and what people are talking about. But I mean, you alone are also
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like your own figure that goes around and speaks and things like that. How do you not get overwhelmed
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by everything there is to care about and talk about? I don't pay attention to everything. See,
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I think I would ask that question of you because you have to talk about this wide range of issues
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all the time and you have an opinion about all these things and you got to read up on them to
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be able to speak about them intelligently. I don't have pressure to do that on me all the time
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because I'm not running a show where I'm having a discussion like this every single day.
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So but you tweet a lot. You tweet about, I would say like a lot of stories, probably more than I do.
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Maybe I do. But you'll notice, though, there's there's common themes like I tweet a lot about
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gender affirming care and my opposition to what's happening with kids. You know, there's certain
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topics that I weigh in on more than other topics, because those are ones that for whatever reason,
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personally, I care about a lot, have more knowledge about. I'm not really weighing in on like UFOs and
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stuff like that, because I don't really have like a strong opinion one way or another about whether or
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not aliens exist. I'm not trying to get into debates about any of that. I am interested in
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seeing our government's response to these things or lack of response to some of these things.
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Yeah. But mostly I'm just watching on the sidelines for some of that stuff.
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I mean, I'm I'm the same. I look at the stuff that really matters to me. A lot of it is considered
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like culture war stuff, stuff about like human nature and things like that. I mean, I guess
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I'm kind of interested in a UFO conversation from like a theological perspective. But I also I mean,
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I'm the same. I do have to talk about these things. But I don't talk about everything. It's
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not really a news show. I kind of pick and choose what I want to talk about, depending on what I care
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about. People just ask me that question. Have you talked about that issue, the UFOs thing? And from a
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theological perspective, like where does that fit into the Christian worldview, whether or not there
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could be other life out there somewhere in the universe? Okay, so I'll link the past episode so
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people can go listen to it if they haven't already. But I did have I did have these guys on I don't
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know if you've heard of blurry creatures. Have you heard of that podcast? No. So basically, they go
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through these different myths that they don't really think are myths like Bigfoot, the Loch Ness
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monster, aliens, and they try to talk about it from like a biblical perspective. Now they don't have
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the same theology necessarily as I do on everything. But they it is interesting to talk to them. So they go
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back to like Genesis six, and the Nephilim. All right, I don't even know about all of this. And I
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would have to go back into the conversation and refresh myself. But basically, they believe that
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it is a possibility that there's kind of like another species of human like people on earth. I don't know
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if they would call them aliens or even extraterrestrial. But I think basically, they might think it's
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theologically possible. Whereas I'm just not really sure how that would fall into the whole redemption
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plan with Christ and heaven and hell and all of that. Having creatures that are not made in the
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image of God and are not human and are not animal. I don't know. What do you think?
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Yeah, it's a strange thing. It's like, well, yeah, I mean, did, did he make other creatures on other
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planets in his image as well? And did they fall? Or didn't they? You know, that's those are, I guess,
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interesting questions. The Bible doesn't speak to to all of those things, obviously. And I'm not
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sure how helpful it is to really worry about that too much. I don't know that that's that big of a
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deal. I've never been one of those people who looks at the vastness of the universe and thinks
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that that indicates that we're somehow insignificant or anything. I think it's just the glory of God
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on display. Yeah. So I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't spend too much time troubling over
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those things. I'm gonna, I'm gonna say no. I'm gonna say that there, because if I am to take the
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creation account, literally, it does say that God created man and woman on earth. So, I mean, I don't
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think that there are parallel creation accounts. That's my conservative view of it. But there are other
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conservatives who think differently. Matt Walsh is very into the alien thing, which has been
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interesting to watch. But I did have someone on the show who talked about absence of evidence
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doesn't necessarily mean evidence of absence, right? Yes, that is true. There's a guy that came
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on the show who talked about like, why scientifically, what they're shooting down these Chinese spy
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balloons can't actually be aliens because of like the technology necessary to enter into like a
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different dimension or something. So I'm not really worried about that. But you did say you
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mentioned that you care. We're not qualified to have that conversation. Yeah, no, we're not. So
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we're just gonna leave it right there. Okay, so you mentioned that you care about something that I
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care about a lot. And that's this transgender issue. Obviously, it has to do with identity. It
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has to do with bodies, it has to do with children, it has to do with like, just our understanding of
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reality and truth and right and wrong as a whole. And I'm sure you saw the story, which I haven't
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been able to talk about yet, which is the St. Louis Transgender Clinic whistleblower. This was on
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freepress.com, I believe. She her name is Jamie Reed, this whistleblower, she worked at a gender
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clinic, the Washington University Transgender Center. I mean, this is she said she's to the left
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of Bernie Sanders. She she's married to a quote unquote, trans man. So as far as I can see, she's
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very pro all of this. And yet she basically says, Look, we're mutilating kids bodies who are confused,
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they don't actually even have gender dysphoria. She plays into that this is a social contagion
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argument. And this needs to be stopped because people don't care about this enough. Did you see
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this story? I did? Yeah. And it's really interesting to see what really lends her story credibility is
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that she's not just a run of the mill conservative who is already objecting to these things and came
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across something, you know, she's somebody who cares deeply about the trans cause and fighting
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for trans rights and things of that nature. So I'm sure for adults, she's all about, you know,
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making your own decisions on these things with your doctor. But when it comes to kids, what she's seen
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with kids, it's really eye opening stuff. I mean, the words that she used were really strong to talking
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about how abhorrent and morally bankrupt this stuff is, and how there's experimentation happening on
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these kids, she's like, this is, these are, these are tests that are being done. The kids have no
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idea. You know, when talking about like how the potential side effects of some of these things
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could result in sterilization, and having conversations with kids about what infertility
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really means for them in lifelong terms, and having them make those decisions as if they can really
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take on board what the implications of that really are. You know, she's come to an awareness that this is,
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this is messed up to be doing this experimenting like this with kids is messed up. And I think it's good
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that there are people on that side who can see that for the longest time, you've had people either
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denying that any of this was happening. Oh, there is no, you know, gender surgery happening for minors
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anywhere in the country. They start with that. And then all of a sudden, they're talking about how
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it's really good thing. And you're, you're harming kids if you don't push this stuff. I think you we
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need reasonable voices on that side who say, look, I'm all about trans rights or whatever. But with the
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kids, this stuff has gone way, way, way too far. Yeah, I mean, obviously, we would disagree with her on the
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vast majority of things. But I'm like, okay, if we can link arms on this, I am willing to push
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forward with you. We tried to the reason I haven't talked about it yet. It's because we tried to get
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her on the show. I knew it was going to be difficult. One, because she doesn't seem like she's a very
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public person, which I understand. I'm sure her safety is compromised at this point. But also because
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I'm sure she sees me as like some radical right winger might be hard to convince her maybe one day.
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But I'm so thankful. She says, at first, the patient population was tipped toward what used
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to be the traditional instance of a child with gender dysphoria, a boy quite young, wanted to
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present as or wanted to be a girl. And then she says, all of a sudden, and this is what Abigail
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Schreier talks about in her book, it became girls, girls 13 to 15 years old, who never had gender
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dysphoria, who were very often autistic or ADHD, or were having problems at school. And they would come
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in with all these issues. And rather than treating those issues or an eating disorder,
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they would just say, okay, here's testosterone. And she says, this is interesting to me. I feel
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like social media plays something in there. She said, frequently, our patients declared these girls
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who would come in, declared that they had other mental disorders, but they actually didn't. Like
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they would come in and say, oh, yeah, I have Tourette's, or I have autism, or I have ADHD. And these
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doctors would be like, no, you don't. You don't actually even have these mental disorders. So
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there's something really deep here. There's something like identity level,
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psychologically, spiritually going on that these girls are craving.
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Yeah. And the fact that they're going, the first place that they go is into these clinics.
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And these clinics, they have like a system set up where they try to rush you through the process.
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They have like templates for these letters that they'll, that they want you to get signed,
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so that you just go straight into the process of receiving medical treatment for this.
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And there's no real deep psychological evaluation going on. There's no therapy that's being attempted,
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where they're trying to get to the bottom of what some of these issues are that are,
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they're creating some problems. The assumption is just that, okay, there's some lack of comfort.
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There are some, some issues with you socially. So let's just say you're a boy now and transition
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you and put you on that path. And then they start going down this path,
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all these negative side effects. And it was really crazy when she started looking at some
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of the side effects that were resulting from some of this and saying, look,
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we're harming these kids. We're actually harming these kids.
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I wonder, you mentioned a minute ago, like her, yeah, her safety risk. I wonder what kind of
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backlash she's getting from this for, for telling this story. You know, it did take a lot of boldness.
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It's the idea that, you know, Rachel Levine is brave or Caitlyn Jenner is brave when they're
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getting up there and just receiving all this applause and affirmation. The bravery is from
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someone like this who sees this harm that's being done. And they know that everybody that's on that
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side of the aisle is going to be coming after them and gunning for them if they say anything about it.
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To go out there and do that, that took a lot of courage. It took a lot of boldness.
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And my hope, when I see a story like this, it's like, this is the first real big whistleblower
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from a, from a gender clinic that we've seen. I hope that this will embolden others to come out,
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but I'm sure there's going to be attempts to intimidate and silence and harass people
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that even think about doing something like this. So I'm glad that she did. I hope she emboldens others.
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Yeah. I mean, 100% that she is probably receiving some kind of,
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I mean, some kind of threat, some kind of backlash,
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because I think she's the first whistleblower of her kind, especially like a left-wing person
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who actually worked in a clinic saying, this is what's going on. And I've actually gotten messages
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from people who work in this hospital, obviously who want to remain anonymous. They're conservative.
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They agree with us. And they're like, it is even worse than what you are seeing here. So I think
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they're going to try to make an example of her. Who knows how? We might not even ever know about it.
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But I guarantee that other people who even consider doing the same thing that she is,
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they are going to deal with major inhibitions, major obstacles in doing that. And I think that's
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part, our job is like to share the arrows as much as possible. I mean, I don't know how to give
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encouragement to this woman, but as much as the rest of us can also stand up and say,
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yeah, I know that's unpopular, but me too. And she's right. The more that other whistleblowers
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stand up and say, yeah, that's happening here. She's right. The easier it will be. I mean,
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it's hard when it's one person, but then when the dominoes start to fall, then everyone's like,
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okay, I've got the shield of numbers on my side. So that's my hope. I hope that this is the first
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in many, many, many whistleblowers standing up and saying, yeah, this is happening everywhere.
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Yeah. And I just, you know, so often a lot of the questions that I get, especially just with what
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I do for a living, coming out and being vocal on issues like this, a lot of the questions that I
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get are around things like, and like, well, why do you care so much about this issue? Why do you care
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so much about the pro-life cause or about the transgenderism in kids? And, and the first,
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my first reaction to that is always, well, why don't you care? How do you not care? Like when the
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well-being of children is at stake, when lives are at stake and they're, and they're going through
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such harm and suffering, they're starting out with emotional suffering and confusion
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that's being planted in their minds. And then we're treating it with this, this permanently
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damaging surgery and this drugging that we're doing. I mean, I don't see how anybody couldn't
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care about that. And the fact that there's going to be some backlash that you're going to face,
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you know, possibly being ostracized from your community. You might be criticized harshly. You
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might have mean things said to you, but I mean, but you're, you're doing that in order to stand up
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for these kids that need someone to voice concern for what's happening to them. So, I mean, people
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have to be willing to pay that price to stand up for kids. I'm glad Jamie was. Yeah, me too. And I'm
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glad that she was so graphic and how she detailed like what the girls are going through. And I don't
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have to read it all, but just talking about how their reproductive organs and their genitalia
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were damaged so significantly by going on testosterone. And it just made me think like,
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obviously we know that a girl's body can't really turn into a man's body and vice versa.
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But I was thinking about just how every cell of the human body is gendered. Almost every cell of
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the human body is gendered. And how every cell will then reject a hormone that is not meant to interact
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with those cells at that level. And so, of course, this is going to hurt your reproduction. Of course,
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this is going to hurt your genitalia. Of course, this is going to hurt your voice. Of course,
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this is going to be bad for you. It's going to cause cancer. It's going to cause diabetes. It's
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going to cause dementia in some cases. And she's saying that these girls didn't know. They didn't
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know if they had sex that they would be bleeding profusely. They didn't know what their genitalia
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would look like. They didn't think about the fact that maybe they'll change their mind one day and
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they won't be able to breastfeed or even have children. And she talks about specific stories where all of
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that happened. And so, I'm with you. I'm like, how could we not care about this? How could we possibly
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Yeah. Yeah. And the side effects are rarely mentioned. That's the thing. It's not just like,
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it's not like they're sitting them down and saying, look, these are all the potential side effects that
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could happen to you. These are the more common ones. It's usually just framed in terms of, well,
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you're feeling this discomfort. This will alleviate that discomfort. And then they leave it at that.
00:21:21.180
And then you end up with these people that end up wanting to detransition because of the terrible
00:21:25.800
side effects that they're dealing with, or they come to regret the decision that they made.
00:21:30.080
And those stories are not being heard enough. Those people are very bold. They're the ones who
00:21:35.400
get attacked by this community more than anybody else. And so, platforming those voices is very
00:21:40.760
important too. So, I absolutely agree with you though. This domino thing where when you stand up as one
00:21:45.560
voice, one person, you're an outlier, you're easy to squash, you're an easy target. There needs to be
00:21:51.000
a whole army of people that stand up. I can't believe there aren't more of them. Eventually,
00:21:54.880
there will be more of them. In the whole pro-life debate, the pro-life cause, there is a massive
00:22:01.240
movement around that. We need the same kind of movement with this stuff.
00:22:04.860
Yeah, I agree. She ended her article saying experiments are supposed to be carefully designed.
00:22:10.740
Hypotheses are supposed to be tested ethically. The doctors I worked alongside of the
00:22:14.480
Transgender Clinic or Transgender Center said frequently about the treatment of our patients,
00:22:18.740
we are building the plane while we are flying it. No one should be a passenger on that kind of
00:22:25.680
aircraft. Wow. And so, they're going with it because they're making a lot of money.
00:22:32.340
Pharmaceutical companies are making a lot of money. They're creating lifelong patients for all kinds
00:22:38.620
of ailments and consequences that come from this. And so, the medical industrial complex is making a lot
00:22:47.260
of money. So, I don't even know if it's fully about ideology for everyone as much as it is about profit
00:22:52.900
and just corruption. And so, again, just applause for this woman for taking that on because that's not
00:23:02.560
Yeah, and it's supported by the Biden administration, too. You know, Rachel Levine supports this gender
00:23:06.760
affirming care. I always put that in scare quotes. I don't like using that terminology, gender affirming
00:23:11.140
care. We know that's a euphemism for terrible things. But Rachel Levine supports this. The Biden
00:23:17.060
administration supports this stuff. I mean, and this is what's really interesting to me, though,
00:23:21.620
from an ideological or political standpoint. You would think that politically you would want to
00:23:26.920
adopt positions on issues like this that have really wide appeal so that you don't turn people
00:23:34.260
away at the ballot box. But Democrats have really gone hard on this stuff and really seem to be
00:23:39.320
supporting this stuff for kids. It's not just like they're saying, oh, once you're 18, this stuff is
00:23:44.000
fine. They really are supporting and promoting the gender affirming care for minors that involves
00:23:49.840
not just getting on these hormones or social transitioning, but surgical procedures like double
00:23:54.840
mastectomies or hysterectomies and things of that nature. They are happening in these hospitals as is
00:24:00.180
documented and they do support these things. And I think the more that we raise awareness about that,
00:24:04.400
the more people will see that your vote really matters on this stuff. It really does.
00:24:08.000
Yep. Politics matter because policy matters because people matter. And people who say like,
00:24:12.300
I see this a lot on the left or people who consider themselves unbiased but are really on the left,
00:24:17.240
they'll point to people like me or others who say, oh, they just care about the culture wars because
00:24:22.260
they want to stoke division or they want attention or they're grifting or things like that. I'm like,
00:24:26.920
we're literally talking about human beings. We're talking about children. We're talking about
00:24:31.320
mutilation. I care, but I don't want to have to care about this because I wish it wasn't a reality.
00:24:36.580
I would love to not talk about this. But unfortunately, if we care at all about anything,
00:24:41.080
we have to in the same way that abolitionists cared about slaves. And I know people don't like
00:24:45.240
that comparison, but it is a comparison. You're talking about objectifying people and mutilating their
00:24:49.780
bodies. This is a very important point. You know, I don't benefit from talking about
00:24:54.860
what's happening with these kids in this gender madness, the gender ideology madness.
00:24:59.560
I personally don't benefit from it at all. In fact, it puts the rest of my business at risk,
00:25:04.680
because what happens is they try to lump me in this bucket with terrorists. They try to say that
00:25:09.180
I'm a terrorist who's inciting violence against gender clinics or children's hospitals or whatever
00:25:14.040
by simply noticing or talking about these things. Getting labeled as a terrorist is extremely damaging to
00:25:19.680
your reputation, potentially to all of your business ventures. You could have your banking drop you.
00:25:25.600
You could have all of the platforms that you're that you're working with drop you. So, you know, you draw a lot of
00:25:32.160
attacks, a lot of vitriol and a lot of negativity to yourself. And I don't generate money off of the tweets that are
00:25:39.100
mentioning these things or drawing attention to these things. All I draw is the negative stuff.
00:25:43.420
And so this idea that somehow this is grifting for me or that it's beneficial to me, you know,
00:25:47.960
it's just it's just insane. In fact, it's it's a huge liability that I actually vocalize my opinions
00:25:53.340
on these things. Yeah, but I do it anyway. It's so funny. I had someone say the other day because I
00:26:08.900
said something, you know, that I'm sure someone deemed controversial, but I said it because I
00:26:13.520
believe it's true. And they were like, I mean, this is like a blue checkmark. Influential person was like,
00:26:18.200
look, I get that you want to sell ads. I get that you're just trying to grow an audience.
00:26:23.860
I'm like, that is actually probably the opposite of what I'm doing and saying this. If anything,
00:26:28.100
I am putting those things at risk by saying things that I know will offend people possibly in my
00:26:32.680
audience. I think the whole grifting accusation towards people who just say something that you
00:26:37.260
disagree with is a way to make themselves feel better without actually having to contend with your
00:26:41.660
argument. Because you're right. You're doing the exact opposite. You're actually probably
00:26:45.580
cutting portions of maybe your potential audience by saying things that are going to offend them. So
00:26:51.160
people are just selling. Yeah, it's definitely an ad hominem. It's a way of just saying, look,
00:26:55.000
your motives are bad. You're not to be taken seriously. And so I don't have to respond to any
00:27:00.760
of your points or argue for my position. Turn it back on them. Make them defend the practice of
00:27:06.380
drugging and mutilating, sterilizing, castrating children. Yeah, that's really what's at stake in the
00:27:12.240
conversation. You know, what is what is their reason for defending that? What do they stand to
00:27:17.000
gain by defending that? Yeah, it's gotten to the point to where these that these scientists are
00:27:23.700
actually saying this is according to the telegraph, that we should so embrace this movement that is
00:27:29.520
hurting the bodies of children and adults, that we should stop using the words female, or male
00:27:36.500
altogether. But rather, we should be using sperm producing or egg producing or XY slash XX individual
00:27:43.640
to avoid, quote, emphasizing heteronormative view. So this is coming to a hospital near you. And this
00:27:50.880
isn't just like a funny language change. I mean, this is going to have a consequence on our understanding
00:27:55.240
of reality. That's the point, right? That's why we call them birthing persons instead of instead of
00:28:01.220
mothers or just pregnant women. The whole point is to try to erase these lines that are drawn in the
00:28:07.920
sand by reality itself and try to make everything ambiguous in a gray area. It's it's it's a deliberate
00:28:12.560
strategy. You know, you control the words to be able to control people's perceptions of reality and break
00:28:18.020
down their understanding of what what actually is objectively true and real. And that's why the word
00:28:23.240
game is so important. They recognize that so much. We battle with it so much. You know, the whole
00:28:27.540
conversation about abortion being health care, for example, calling it health care over and over and
00:28:31.840
over again, even though it's a procedure that results in the death of a person. I mean, this is
00:28:36.720
they understand that words matter and that they can really, really leverage the manipulation of what
00:28:43.140
words mean in order to further their ends. So getting past it, like breaking through all of that
00:28:48.120
and insisting on what reality actually is, is extremely important in those dialogues.
00:28:51.760
Yeah. You mentioned the Biden administration is in support of this. You'll probably remember this
00:28:57.020
story. It was a couple of months ago now, but now it's back in the news. According to Fox,
00:29:01.760
non-binary former Biden official Sam Britton accused of serial luggage theft released without
00:29:07.940
bail. So if people don't remember this guy, he was a part of the Department of Energy who was a real
00:29:12.800
weirdo. OK, so he wasn't just someone who was like, whatever, I'm quiet about my identity. He was
00:29:17.440
also like some BDSM instructor, weird stuff. I don't even want to get into some of the pictures that
00:29:23.960
were on his Instagram that were circulating on Twitter. OK, please don't. Please don't show them.
00:29:28.540
Oh, no, I would never. A real creep and a weirdo. OK, how he presented himself and his sexual
00:29:34.160
proclivities. Well, in unsurprising news, he apparently is also a klepto and he would go to
00:29:42.520
these different airports and he would take what looked like female luggage. So like Vera Bradley
00:29:48.820
luggage that he knew would be filled with women's clothing, he would take them and then he would go
00:29:53.700
to his hotel and I guess wear them. And then he was caught doing this not once, but twice. This was
00:29:59.220
once in Minnesota, once in Nevada. So he faces up to 10 years in prison, but he was just released
00:30:07.460
without bail. So I guess these are the kinds of absolute weirdos that are filling the Biden
00:30:12.660
administration and pushing them to embrace the castration of young boys. I'm interested. Have
00:30:19.460
you read the story? Like, what is the reason he has released that bit? Like, did someone not
00:30:22.780
choose to prosecute him? Like what what's going on there? Oh, let's see. Britain left the DOE soon
00:30:31.480
after the alleged thefts came to light. A reason for his departure was never made public, but the agency
00:30:35.720
had faced pressure from Republican lawmakers over his employment status and security clearance.
00:30:40.440
They didn't say anything about it. So, no, this this Fox report doesn't actually say why he was
00:30:45.620
released without bail. It just says that he was charged. But it says a judge ordered him not to
00:30:52.020
have any contact with any of the victims. He was slated to appear in court December 19th,
00:30:57.720
but the date was changed at the request of his lawyer. So it looks like he's just able to kind of
00:31:01.720
evade the consequences for this a little bit, maybe because he's has he has some connections or some
00:31:06.720
power. I guess I feel like I'd be going away for a long time if I was stealing women's luggage.
00:31:12.600
Yeah, probably so. You might lose your job, too. Yeah, but that I mean, the story with someone like
00:31:18.760
that just gets that much crazier. I mean, obviously, this is somebody that's got mental issues.
00:31:22.960
They really have mental issues. I mean, you know, the the kink and fetish stuff, whatever,
00:31:27.980
like people, it these things happen in people's private lives. This guy made it very public. It was all
00:31:33.780
very out there. And it was kind of a show. And it was it was just it was almost like his resume for
00:31:38.920
how he was getting ahead in life. Yeah. And I just think it's such a sad commentary on our culture
00:31:44.160
today that that that is that that kind of thing gives you some kind of a leg up or advantage in
00:31:48.320
jockeying for position in in high ranking government positions and opportunities. It's just it's
00:31:54.180
absolutely wild to me. And it's absolutely wild that that then on the back of that, you can engage
00:31:59.840
an actual this is felony theft. I'm sure these things were worth a decent amount of money, not just
00:32:03.960
the luggage, but the but the stuff that was inside the luggage and walking with no consequence. That's
00:32:09.180
just insane to me. Yeah. And it's just kind of a fetish for him. It's not an identity. But I think part
00:32:14.980
of this whole movement is making a fetish and identity, which is really scary. Well, we talked about how
00:32:19.960
this kind of subverts our understanding of reality. And one of the scary things is that sometimes you can't
00:32:24.380
actually tell if someone is transgender, you can't tell the difference between a man and a woman. I think
00:32:29.520
that also is very, I mean, it's consequential, it's scary. And this is one of those cases, I'll play you this
00:32:35.940
video, it's really hard for me to tell who in this video is actually transgender, what's really going on. So
00:32:42.760
here's that. My name is Amber Mumm, I use she her pronouns. I'm a member of the St. Cloud Hive of the
00:32:50.600
Parents and Allies of Trans Youth. I am also a proud gender transgender woman. But more importantly,
00:32:56.260
I am the mother of two wonderful transgender and gender expansive children. That is the mother of
00:33:01.000
two gender expansive children who I'm sure came to that conclusion completely naturally because
00:33:06.860
their dainty mother had absolutely nothing to do with it, right?
00:33:11.940
I think I retweeted you when you posted this. And I was like, yeah, I'm sure this is just a
00:33:15.880
coincidence that this individual ended up with transgender children. And I'm kind of like I'm
00:33:20.120
smiling or smirking as I'm saying this, but it's like, I'm checking myself because it's not funny.
00:33:25.220
It's not funny that you have someone like this who's raising children to be confused about who
00:33:29.420
they are, and then affirming them in their confusion so that they end up damaging themselves
00:33:34.380
for life. There's nothing funny about that. And the picture itself of the person up there, this,
00:33:40.240
you know, massive man saying I have she her pronouns, and I'm a woman. I mean, that on the surface
00:33:45.700
is itself funny. But but what's going on in the home there is not funny at all.
00:33:50.780
Yeah, I think we talked about this last time. But I was thinking about this just to kind of bring
00:33:55.600
this all full circle with the difficulty that it is to like be in comedy and satire right now with
00:34:01.160
how absurd reality is. But like we're being told to look at that person, call them a woman. So we are
00:34:07.940
not only denying reality, what we see with our own eyes, what we know, not just about science, we don't
00:34:12.640
have to know that person's chromosomes to know that that's a man. So we're told to deny reality
00:34:16.780
or basic observations. But we're also being told to deny comedy. Like how, how long has the trope
00:34:24.520
existed of a fat man in a dress? Like that's, that's been funny for a very long time, probably
00:34:30.860
for 1000s of years, as long as comedy has existed, like a man dressing up as a woman has been funny,
00:34:37.080
a fat man dressing up as a woman has been funny. Mrs. Doubtfire was funny, but literally,
00:34:42.300
probably all of human history, this has been funny, because we've all known that it's absurd.
00:34:46.560
And we've all been able to laugh at it. Even white chicks was funny, because men can't look like
00:34:51.840
women. Women can kind of make themselves look more masculine and look like men. But men, no matter how
00:34:57.000
handsome you are as a man, you look like a really ugly woman. And we were all able to laugh at that.
00:35:01.460
That's a funny comedic trope. But now we're not only told to deny reality, but we have to deny comedy
00:35:07.080
and say, Oh, no, that's not funny at all. And that I think is a big cultural sacrifice that
00:35:13.320
we're making in all of this too. Yeah, well, I mean, the idea that you shouldn't be able to laugh
00:35:18.520
at it, because it's hurtful, because there's someone who's the butt of the joke or whatever.
00:35:23.040
You know, what's funny about I think some of the examples that are the most funny are when you still
00:35:27.060
have the male characteristics that are retained while they're wearing the dress, you know, like you
00:35:30.900
have a man in a dress, but he's got hairy legs and facial hair or whatever. And a lot of the a lot
00:35:35.280
of the trans people these days are retaining a lot of their male characteristics while dressing
00:35:40.460
as women, you'll see them wearing they'll have a beard, they'll have facial hair, but they'll put
00:35:44.360
on makeup. And it's like, and they're trying to just give these like confusing mixed signals. Like
00:35:49.080
I'm not in either camp, I'm in both or something like that. And it is it is it is silly. And it is
00:35:54.180
funny. And there is a comic element to it. And you should be able to laugh about it. I just I think
00:35:59.000
it's really strange. You know, with the point that I like to make about this, this idea that the reason
00:36:03.800
they say that you shouldn't be able to joke about these things, you can't laugh about them is because
00:36:07.280
this is a marginalized community. And marginalized communities should always be off limits for
00:36:12.360
comedy. And well, you know, I do think that there's something to be said about like, it's not right to
00:36:17.980
kick someone when they're down and being in and making jokes at someone's expense just to be mean
00:36:22.500
and cruel is kind of cruel, you know, like telling like mocking and scorning a fat person for being fat
00:36:28.660
and overweight in a really mean, bullying, harsh way is just nasty. There's no real comedic
00:36:33.440
value to doing that necessarily. So I get that. But this idea that this is a marginalized community. I mean,
00:36:40.740
if you think of what the word marginalized means, to be marginalized is to be a social outcast. To be
00:36:46.360
marginalized is to have no power or influence. To be marginalized is to be forgotten. That is not what this
00:36:52.400
community represents. This community has all the power, all the influence. They're anything but forgotten. If
00:36:59.420
anything, this messaging is just shoved into our face from every direction from the top down. And so
00:37:05.300
to try to characterize this group as a marginalized community that should be off limits, the point that
00:37:09.340
I make is, this is the power structure. These are the powers that be telling us what we should think,
00:37:14.460
what we should feel, what we can say. This is the stuff that comedians are supposed to make fun of.
00:37:18.840
It's our job to make fun of that stuff. And that is punching up. That's punching up at the powers that be.
00:37:25.400
So it's really the one thing that they should be defending as the comedian's right to make fun of, but it's the
00:37:30.540
one thing they're saying we're not allowed to make fun of. It's absolutely insane.
00:37:44.360
And you're not even really making fun of the individual because you could say that that person is a man and a
00:37:50.480
great man and a person made in the image of God. You're making fun of the idea. You're making fun of the concept.
00:37:55.400
You're making fun of how absurd it is that we have to deny all of this and to pretend something that's
00:38:00.140
real that we know isn't. And so I think you're right. It is punching up. Like, these are the
00:38:04.560
people that get you kicked off Twitter. These are the people that make it harder for you to be
00:38:08.560
employed. These are the people that are policing your speech. Like, the people that you can't make
00:38:12.480
fun of are actually the people with all of the power and the people that you should be making fun of.
00:38:19.240
They have the power to silence you. They have the power to silence you for just simply joking about them.
00:38:23.480
So, Ali, I don't have that power. You can say whatever you want about me. You can trash me all
00:38:28.520
you want. Like, you can be really mean and harsh. And I have no power to do anything about it. I lack
00:38:33.980
that power. I have to just take it. So, you know, to be in a position where you have that power or anything
00:38:40.800
I do bully you on Twitter and I haven't been kicked off yet. So, that's true.
00:38:46.280
Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Well, thanks for allowing us to laugh through the absurdity. I do
00:38:51.100
think, like, I know that Babylon Bee tells jokes, but it's more than jokes. Gosh, when everything is
00:38:56.960
so serious and so morose and everything seems upside down, it is nice to have such a powerful comedic
00:39:04.020
entity on our side telling the truth in a way that I think is super effective. Not everyone likes it.
00:39:09.820
I got my invitation rescinded from a church conference because of my DNC ad, which was
00:39:17.240
satirical. So, not everyone likes it, but I think it's an important tool. So, thank you for keeping
00:39:23.840
Thank you. Yeah. You know, I think there's an importance. I think comedy has a role to play
00:39:29.120
in communicating the truth. And I think that one of the most important things that we need to keep
00:39:34.240
our sights on is, you know, in this post-truth, safe space culture where everything is about you,
00:39:41.920
you know, like everything is about your feelings and how important your feelings are and how,
00:39:45.420
and you have this, um, this right to never be offended or anything like that. That is such an
00:39:51.360
unhealthy spiritual place to be in. I think the much healthier place to be in is to be able to say,
00:39:55.380
look, I have pride, personal pride. And sometimes my pride is pricked when someone like makes a joke
00:40:01.840
at my expense, but that's okay. Like I shouldn't think so highly of myself. We need to think,
00:40:07.060
we need to think of ourselves less, not in the sense that like we think less of ourselves,
00:40:11.240
but we just think of ourselves less. We don't put ourselves up on this pedestal where, uh,
00:40:16.860
no one should be able to touch us or criticize us or anything. We're all imperfect. We're all
00:40:20.860
sinful. We all make mistakes. We're all hypocrites and we should all be willing to laugh at ourselves.
00:40:25.360
That's a healthy thing. And so when comedy is willing to actually make jokes that do sometimes
00:40:30.580
make you squirm and make you a little bit uncomfortable, it's not necessarily mean and
00:40:33.900
cruel. Sometimes it's good for you. Yeah, I agree. I think it is really healthy. And that's an
00:40:37.980
important point you made about the spiritual part of it too. Well, Seth, thanks so much. I hope y'all
00:40:42.080
have an amazing event, live event for the Babylon Bee. Um, for the people who are listening to this,
00:40:47.560
who are going to be there, what can they expect? Are they going to have the time of their lives?
00:40:53.460
I don't know about that. Um, it is going to be fun. I don't want to give away too much,
00:40:57.820
but yeah, we're going to have some live sketch comedy on the stage. Um, you're going to see some
00:41:02.220
videos that we've never released before. We're going to talk about some of our future plans.
00:41:06.040
Mostly it's just going to be time for us to get to spend FaceTime with our fans. We've never done
00:41:10.440
that before where we have the whole crew together in one place. So I think it'll be a fun night.
00:41:15.400
Maybe the time of your life if you're a diehard Babylon Bee fan, but who knows? Maybe, uh, even if
00:41:20.980
you're not. Awesome. Well, thanks so much, Seth. I appreciate you taking the time to come on.